Philadelphia Archdiocese Suspends 21 Priests in Latest Abuse Scandal

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The Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia has suspended 21 priests, after a grand jury report revealed yet another cover-up of predatory priests.

The mass suspension was the single-most sweeping in the history of the sexual-abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Church in the United States, said Terence McKiernan, president of bishopaccountability.org, which archives documents from the abuse scandal in dioceses across the country.

The archdiocese’s action follows a damning grand jury report issued Feb. 10 that accused the archdiocese of a widespread cover-up of predatory priests, stretching over decades, and said that as many as 37 priests remained active in the ministry despite credible accusations against them.

Of those 37 priests, 21 were suspended; three others already had been placed on administrative leave after the grand jury detailed accusations against them. Five others would have been suspended, the church said in a statement, but three are no longer active and two are no longer active in the Philadelphia Archdiocese. The church said that in eight cases, no further investigation was warranted.

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1 SpaceJesus  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:24:15pm

And for each one of these I bet there are many that go unpunished at large

2 albusteve  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:24:42pm

what a buzzkill, and it's relentless...like an iceberg, there is so much unknown yet but these assholes are everywhere

3 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:27:23pm

Thou shalt not rapeth the toddlers
/missing commandment

4 SpaceJesus  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:28:09pm

re: #3 Killgore Trout

they could always give it up for lent tomorrow at least

5 albusteve  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:31:17pm

21 pervs in a town with less than 2m population?
that's a lot of men of the cloth

6 jaunte  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:31:56pm
The statement said the accusations against the 21 ranged from “sexual abuse of a minor to boundary issues with minors,” but did not describe them further.

Nor did it name the 21 whom it suspended, drawing the fury of groups representing abuse victims. Many parishioners are likely to learn that their priest was accused when he fails to appear for Ash Wednesday services. "

The first instinct of the Archdiocese continues to be to hide information.

7 albusteve  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:33:39pm

re: #6 jaunte

The first instinct of the Archdiocese continues to be to hide information.

the sex ring inside the Vatican needs to be taken down somehow....this is bullshit in this day and age

8 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:35:30pm

Remember when everyone fucking pilloried Sinead O Connor for ripping up the pope's picture on Saturday Night Live over the coverup of priests doing all the rapin'? Because this was exposed in Ireland in the 80's, and we just were clueless about it here?

9 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:35:32pm

Why. Don't. They. Fix. The. Problem?

Look, I was raised Catholic, and I am sure that many of the priests who taught me, advised me in my yoot, led mass, &c, were gay. Not one ever touched me. (As an aside, celibate life is unimaginable to me.)

But the problem here is that a small minority of gay priests are pedophiles, and yet the Church has *coddled* them. Which is unconscionable. Get rid of them. Put them in jail. Make your parishoners trust you gain.

I mean, really. WTF?

10 SpaceJesus  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:37:17pm

Can somebody with more knowledge of the Catholic Church explain why it is that priests can't marry? It's unnatural, and it seems like a good first step towards curbing this crap a little.

11 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:37:28pm

re: #9 austin_blue

Why. Don't. They. Fix. The. Problem?

Look, I was raised Catholic, and I am sure that many of the priests who taught me, advised me in my yoot, led mass, &c, were gay. Not one ever touched me. (As an aside, celibate life is unimaginable to me.)

But the problem here is that a small minority of gay priests are pedophiles, and yet the Church has *coddled* them. Which is unconscionable. Get rid of them. Put them in jail. Make your parishoners trust you gain.

I mean, really. WTF?

If I were still Catholic I'd never trust them again. Period. Full stop.

12 BishopX  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:38:22pm

re: #9 austin_blue

Why. Don't. They. Fix. The. Problem?

Look, I was raised Catholic, and I am sure that many of the priests who taught me, advised me in my yoot, led mass, &c, were gay. Not one ever touched me. (As an aside, celibate life is unimaginable to me.)

But the problem here is that a small minority of gay priests are pedophiles, and yet the Church has *coddled* them. Which is unconscionable. Get rid of them. Put them in jail. Make your parishoners trust you gain.

I mean, really. WTF?

No. No.NO.

Once and for all, there is no correlation between homosexuality and pedophilia. None. The problem isn't the gay priests.

13 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:38:43pm

re: #10 SpaceJesus

Can somebody with more knowledge of the Catholic Church explain why it is that priests can't marry? It's unnatural, and it seems like a good first step towards curbing this crap a little.

Property.

14 albusteve  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:39:47pm

re: #10 SpaceJesus

Can somebody with more knowledge of the Catholic Church explain why it is that priests can't marry? It's unnatural, and it seems like a good first step towards curbing this crap a little.

a dragnet and long prison terms would help curtail it too...fuck the Vatican, they need to come clean

15 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:42:24pm

re: #12 BishopX

No. No.NO.

Once and for all, there is no correlation between homosexuality and pedophilia. None. The problem isn't the gay priests.

Sorry, serial girl-child male pedophiles are not as common as those that prey on boys in the Church. Which was the point of my post. They are a distinct *minority* of priests.

16 Stanghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:43:29pm

re: #8 WindUpBird

Remember when everyone fucking pilloried Sinead O Connor for ripping up the pope's picture on Saturday Night Live over the coverup of priests doing all the rapin'? Because this was exposed in Ireland in the 80's, and we just were clueless about it here?

YES YES YES

She lost her fab career kind of after that.

17 b_snark  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:43:45pm

re: #8 WindUpBird

Remember when everyone fucking pilloried Sinead O Connor for ripping up the pope's picture on Saturday Night Live over the coverup of priests doing all the rapin'? Because this was exposed in Ireland in the 80's, and we just were clueless about it here?

Religion has a privileged position in our society so we are supposed to handle it with kid gloves.

We should be treating organized religion as we do any business.

18 albusteve  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:44:24pm

re: #17 b_sharp

Religion has a privileged position in our society so we are supposed to handle it with kid gloves.

We should be treating organized religion as we do any business.

do unto others

19 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:44:33pm

It's really pretty amazing to think of all the ways the Vatican could have fucked up; tax evasion, bribery, corruption but a worldwide child abuse syndicate? why not just skip ahead to cannibalism and human sacrifice?

20 Stanghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:44:59pm

re: #10 SpaceJesus

Can somebody with more knowledge of the Catholic Church explain why it is that priests can't marry? It's unnatural, and it seems like a good first step towards curbing this crap a little.

They don't need to marry. They just need to get rid of that bullshit called Cardinal Sin.

Utter bullshit.

21 SpaceJesus  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:46:53pm

re: #20 Stanley Sea

what the hell is cardinal sin?

22 Stanghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:47:36pm

re: #20 Stanley Sea

They don't need to marry. They just need to get rid of that bullshit called Cardinal Sin.

Utter bullshit.

Cardinal, or Carnal? oops? when you don't think about it, you don't know the term.

23 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:47:47pm

re: #21 SpaceJesus

what the hell is cardinal sin?

It's something to do with red birds...
///
LOL!

24 freetoken  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:48:12pm

re: #13 austin_blue

Property.

Yes, and more. A critical view of the institution of celibacy in the RC would point out that at the time it was instituted Europe was undergoing a change into more formal feudalism, and the inheritance of property was a means of a family increasing their position over a couple of generations. Thus with celibacy as a requirement some aspiring land lord would have channeled all his effort into making sure his children inherited the family estate, etc. If that same young man was also positioning himself in the church hierarchy, by starting out as a priest, eventually he could become too powerful and challenge Rome.

Thus celibacy is a way of enforcing the idea that the Church == family.

25 Stanghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:48:15pm

re: #21 SpaceJesus

what the hell is cardinal sin?

I fucked up so bad!

Subliminal

26 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:48:50pm

re: #25 Stanley Sea

I fucked up so bad!

Subliminal

It's funny!

27 jaunte  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:48:51pm

re: #25 Stanley Sea

Image: 89082d.jpg

28 albusteve  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:48:58pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

It's really pretty amazing to think of all the ways the Vatican could have fucked up; tax evasion, bribery, corruption but a worldwide child abuse syndicate? why not just skip ahead to cannibalism and human sacrifice?

nothing would surprise me...bribery and assorted corruptions are probably typical, but then I'm jaded

29 Stanghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:49:05pm

re: #23 Floral Giraffe

It's something to do with red birds...
///
LOL!

I did live in Virginia for a time...

30 b_snark  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:50:40pm

re: #9 austin_blue

Why. Don't. They. Fix. The. Problem?

Look, I was raised Catholic, and I am sure that many of the priests who taught me, advised me in my yoot, led mass, &c, were gay. Not one ever touched me. (As an aside, celibate life is unimaginable to me.)

But the problem here is that a small minority of gay priests are pedophiles, and yet the Church has *coddled* them. Which is unconscionable. Get rid of them. Put them in jail. Make your parishoners trust you gain.

I mean, really. WTF?

Just one point.
Pedophile may be a subset of the priesthood but
Pedophile != gay.

31 SpaceJesus  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:50:53pm

wait, the priests are raping baseball players?

32 Stanghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:54:17pm

re: #31 SpaceJesus

wait, the priests are raping baseball players?

lol

rack this as a major fail

33 Stanghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:56:41pm

My housemates need to get home now, because I need Japanese nourishment imediamente. Brain failure.

34 b_snark  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:59:15pm

re: #33 Stanley Sea

My housemates need to get home now, because I need Japanese nourishment imediamente. Brain failure.

Have a Snickers.

35 Kragar  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:00:54pm

[insert derogatory comment about organized religions here.]

36 b_snark  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:01:11pm

G'night. Time for my beauty sleep.

I've been promised it will work eventually.

37 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:01:20pm

re: #28 albusteve

nothing would surprise me...bribery and assorted corruptions are probably typical, but then I'm jaded

Well, they're typical in Chicago.

38 kreyagg  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:03:09pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

why not just skip ahead to cannibalism and human sacrifice?


Maybe I missed the sarcasm tags, but aren't the crucifixion and the act of communion human sacrifice and cannibalism?

39 Kragar  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:06:13pm

re: #38 kreyagg

Maybe I missed the sarcasm tags, but aren't the crucifixion and the act of communion human sacrifice and cannibalism?

HERETIC!
/

40 lostlakehiker  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:07:47pm

re: #12 BishopX

No. No.NO.

Once and for all, there is no correlation between homosexuality and pedophilia. None. The problem isn't the gay priests.

That's a matter of definition, and of statistics. All the priests are men. To whatever extent they're molesting boys, it's homosexual, and when the victims are girls, it's heterosexual. That's what the words mean.

So now we come to the statistics. What fraction of the whole population of priests in those dioceses are homosexual? What fraction of the victims are boys? The numbers have to be run before anything accurate can be said. I don't think we have the numbers, to know whether in this setting, it's correlated or not.

41 Stanghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:09:01pm

re: #38 kreyagg

Maybe I missed the sarcasm tags, but aren't the crucifixion and the act of communion human sacrifice and cannibalism?

re: #39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

HERETIC!
/

I stated this once before for SFZ, but my friend's 10 year old son commented very loud while visiting some CA mission, "who's that guy on the cross all stabbed?"

she died, the lapsed Catholic she is.

42 jamesfirecat  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:13:17pm

Not sure if any of you just saw, but Jon Stewart just delivered a Logic Bomb to Reagan US9/11 by pointing out that given how based on his date of birth Obama must have been conceived in Hawaii, so either fetuses aren't people, or Obama must be a US citizen....

43 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:14:29pm

re: #40 lostlakehiker

That's a matter of definition, and of statistics. All the priests are men. To whatever extent they're molesting boys, it's homosexual, and when the victims are girls, it's heterosexual. That's what the words mean.

So now we come to the statistics. What fraction of the whole population of priests in those dioceses are homosexual? What fraction of the victims are boys? The numbers have to be run before anything accurate can be said. I don't think we have the numbers, to know whether in this setting, it's correlated or not.

There's a thing we like to call jail gay, homosexuality in the real world, (where people get to do and say as they like without the specter of institutional religious hierarchy arbitrarily dictating their human contact) and homosexuality if you're a purportedly celibate priest bereft of actual intimacy with adults and surrounded by young boys you have a lot of access to?

Those two are a long ways way from each other

44 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:15:04pm

re: #41 Stanley Sea

re: #39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I stated this once before for SFZ, but my friend's 10 year old son commented very loud while visiting some CA mission, "who's that guy on the cross all stabbed?"

she died, the lapsed Catholic she is.

hahahahahaha "all stabbed"

45 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:15:41pm

re: #38 kreyagg

Maybe I missed the sarcasm tags, but aren't the crucifixion and the act of communion human sacrifice and cannibalism?

As an act of faith and ritual? Absolutely. This is my body. This is my blood. Do this and eat of me.

46 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:16:37pm

re: #45 austin_blue

As an act of faith and ritual? Absolutely. This is my body. This is my blood. Do this and eat of me.

Ritual is so much more fun with power chords

47 Stanghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:17:33pm

re: #45 austin_blue

As an act of faith and ritual? Absolutely. This is my body. This is my blood. Do this and eat of me.

oh to see it typed out, today. what a crock.

48 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:17:53pm

re: #42 jamesfirecat

Not sure if any of you just saw, but Jon Stewart just delivered a Logic Bomb to Reagan US9/11 by pointing out that given how based on his date of birth Obama must have been conceived in Hawaii, so either fetuses aren't people, or Obama must be a US citizen...

What the hell does "Reagan US9/11" mean?

49 jamesfirecat  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:19:31pm

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

What the hell does "Reagan US9/11" mean?

It's the GOP's solution to their weak candidate field. If they can't find one, they'll make one!

(It was a Computer based on Watson with a background setting of a US flag)

(And the name is obviously a play on Mac OS 9 just to explain the joke more fully...)

50 Jadespring  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:19:47pm

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

What the hell does "Reagan US9/11" mean?

It's a computer. It might run for president.

51 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:20:32pm

re: #46 WindUpBird

Ritual is so much more fun with power chords

Actually, I fucked up. It is "Do this in memory of me."

But it's the same thing.

The Communion in the Catholic church is based on communal ritual cannibalism. Of this, there is no doubt.

Protestants, for the most part, didn't want any part of it.

52 theheat  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:20:35pm
The archdiocese’s action follows a damning grand jury report issued Feb. 10 that accused the archdiocese of a widespread cover-up of predatory priests, stretching over decades, and said that as many as 37 priests remained active in the ministry despite credible accusations against them.

They only do housecleaning after their nose has been rubbed in it. Never of their own volition. This only makes them look more chickenshit, more self-protecting at all costs, and far removed from the people who continue to look up to them. Good grief, what a dishonorable nest of shitheads - and it goes right to the tippy tippy top.

53 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:20:39pm

re: #50 Jadespring

It's a computer. It might run for president.

Does it have a birth certificate? Sorry it was going to be asked.

54 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:20:55pm

re: #6 jaunte

The first instinct of the Archdiocese continues to be to hide information.

I understand that confession is good for the soul. I wish the leadership of the Church would give it a try.

55 Jadespring  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:21:19pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

Does it have a birth certificate? Sorry it was going to be asked.

I dunno. It asked about Obama's birth certificate though.

56 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:21:46pm

re: #49 jamesfirecat

It's the GOP's solution to their weak candidate field. If they can't find one, they'll make one!

(It was a Computer based on Watson with a background setting of a US flag)

(And the name is obviously a play on Mac OS 9 just to explain the joke more fully...)

OK, I understand. But please leave mention of Reagan out when discussing Nirthers. It attaches his name with something it shouldn't be associated with.

57 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:22:19pm

Honestly as a cultural Catholic, the whole thing saddens me really. I think I've mentioned it before but my great uncle was a priest. The church needs to modernize, crack down on pedophiles, and not dismiss every criticism as Anti-Catholicism. It's too bad really because there are a lot of issues where I do respect what the RCC stands for but they need to do something about this.It's a problem and has been for a long time.

58 jamesfirecat  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:22:26pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

Does it have a birth certificate? Sorry it was going to be asked.

Rumors persist it was made in China.

59 Stanghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:22:37pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

OK, I understand. But please leave mention of Reagan out when discussing Nirthers. It attaches his name with something it shouldn't be associated with.

He's dead Jim. No comment forthcoming.

60 Jadespring  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:23:06pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

OK, I understand. But please leave mention of Reagan out when discussing Nirthers. It attaches his name with something it shouldn't be associated with.

Well then send a letter to Daily Show then. That's it's name.

61 kreyagg  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:23:07pm

What puzzles me about the whole mess is how can the other priests sleep at night knowing that one phone call to the police could stop the abuse.
I can't help but think that most if not all of the clergy are accomplices.

62 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:23:07pm

re: #58 jamesfirecat

Rumors persist it was made in China.

Great just what this country needs, a Communist computer. :)

63 jamesfirecat  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:23:18pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

OK, I understand. But please leave mention of Reagan out when discussing Nirthers. It attaches his name with something it shouldn't be associated with.

I'm just telling you what the Daily Show staff decided to call it.

64 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:23:32pm

re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist

I understand that confession is good for the soul. I wish the leadership of the Church would give it a try.

No shit! Obfuscate, slide-step, waffle. These are child victims we are talking about.

((blood boiling))

65 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:24:40pm

re: #9 austin_blue

Why. Don't. They. Fix. The. Problem?

Look, I was raised Catholic, and I am sure that many of the priests who taught me, advised me in my yoot, led mass, &c, were gay. Not one ever touched me. (As an aside, celibate life is unimaginable to me.)

But the problem here is that a small minority of gay priests are pedophiles, and yet the Church has *coddled* them. Which is unconscionable. Get rid of them. Put them in jail. Make your parishoners trust you gain.

I mean, really. WTF?

But whoever shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

The children of the Church need to be protected, even from the Church itself. Name names, bishops. Turn these guys in. Let your priests and nuns and lay leadership know that they'll be backed up when they blow the whistle. The long-haired hippie on the holy card with the little kids gathered around him knows its hard, but he wants you to know it's the right thing to do.

I should comment, at this point, that the Catholic high school I was at last year had to fire a (lay) teacher for molesting a student. Kid went to the dean, dean went to Father, and the teacher was removed from campus that same day. It can be done!

66 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:24:43pm

DF, I think they used the Reagan name because all these candidates think they are or there needs to be a new Reagan. It's not really an attack on Reagan himself more so the people who want to be him. It would be akin I guess to using JFK or perhaps Clinton for Democrats I suppose.

67 Jadespring  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:25:15pm

re: #62 HappyWarrior

Great just what this country needs, a Communist computer. :)

It's a Manchurian candidate!

68 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:25:18pm

re: #61 kreyagg

What puzzles me about the whole mess is how can the other priests sleep at night knowing that one phone call to the police could stop the abuse.
I can't help but think that most if not all of the clergy are accomplices.

Hmmm...you have no personal experiences with cops, do you?

69 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:25:37pm

re: #63 jamesfirecat

I'm just telling you what the Daily Show staff decided to call it.

I see. Well then, I offer a heartfelt "Fuck You!" to the staff of the Daily Show.

70 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:25:49pm

re: #67 Jadespring

It's a Manchurian candidate!

Raymond Shaw is the kindest and most gentle human being I've ever known.

71 Jadespring  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:26:55pm

re: #69 Dark_Falcon

I see. Well then, I offer a heartfelt "Fuck You!" to the staff of the Daily Show.

It's actually not a knock on Reagan at all. The way they play it makes Reagan end up looking good.

72 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:27:16pm

re: #45 austin_blue

As an act of faith and ritual? Absolutely. This is my body. This is my blood. Do this and eat of me.

I've heard that early Christians were, in fact, accused of cannibalism, based on a genuine or willful misunderstanding of the Eucharist.

73 Stanghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:27:27pm

re: #63 jamesfirecat

I'm just telling you what the Daily Show staff decided to call it.

IT FITS

74 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:27:36pm

re: #69 Dark_Falcon

I see. Well then, I offer a heartfelt "Fuck You!" to the staff of the Daily Show.

Reagan comes off OK.

75 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:27:48pm

Twenty-one suspended?
Thirty-seven with credible charges?

Damn.
Damn, damn, damn, damn, damn.

What the hell is wrong with those people?
And just as important - what the HELL is going on with those who should know about these things who continue, on and on and on, to turn a blind eye to what's right in front of them?

Damn.

76 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:28:27pm

re: #64 austin_blue

No shit! Obfuscate, slide-step, waffle. These are child victims we are talking about.

((blood boiling))

My blood too.

77 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:31:34pm

re: #75 reine.de.tout

Apologies to Stanley....
You just named the real "Cardinal sin". As in when the Cardinal looks the other way for years. As (it is said) our own Cardinal Mahoney did in Los Angeles.

78 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:32:00pm

re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist


I should comment, at this point, that the Catholic high school I was at last year had to fire a (lay) teacher for molesting a student. Kid went to the dean, dean went to Father, and the teacher was removed from campus that same day. It can be done!

We also had a priest who came in to work with the kids on a project, and the adults from our school working on it--a nun, a lay Catholic, and an agnostic--all thought he had pervert vibes all over him. He was NEVER left alone with the kids.

79 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:32:20pm

re: #72 SanFranciscoZionist

I've heard that early Christians were, in fact, accused of cannibalism, based on a genuine or willful misunderstanding of the Eucharist.

The point is that the Eucharist is, in fact, ritual cannibalism. If you believe in transubstantiation:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

It's pretty cut and dried.

Catholics chow down on Jesus every Sunday.

80 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:33:32pm

re: #75 reine.de.tout

Twenty-one suspended?
Thirty-seven with credible charges?

Damn.
Damn, damn, damn, damn, damn.

What the hell is wrong with those people?
And just as important - what the HELL is going on with those who should know about these things who continue, on and on and on, to turn a blind eye to what's right in front of them?

Damn.

Reine, I am in complete agreement. Send them to jail. Now.

81 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:33:44pm

re: #69 Dark_Falcon

I see. Well then, I offer a heartfelt "Fuck You!" to the staff of the Daily Show.

the point is they're satirizing the way the CURRENT GOP takes the image of Reagan on as a mantle to cloak their own ends

82 lostlakehiker  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:33:52pm

re: #17 b_sharp

Religion has a privileged position in our society so we are supposed to handle it with kid gloves.

We should be treating organized religion as we do any business.

Tax them?

Force them to operate like a business, doing their damndest to run a profit sufficient to cover the property taxes, the business license, the legal costs of defending the fraud charges?

Require them to hire without regard to religion? And not set any peculiar moral standards or insist upon any kinky stuff like circumcision or celibacy?

83 kreyagg  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:34:44pm

re: #68 austin_blue

Hmmm...you have no personal experiences with cops, do you?

I don't know many. As cynical as I am about the sort of people who wind up as police, I find it difficult to imagine that many would ignore one priest reporting another for raping kids.

84 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:37:19pm

re: #83 kreyagg

I don't know many. As cynical as I am about the sort of people who wind up as police, I find it difficult to imagine that many would ignore one priest reporting another for raping kids.

consider this story:

In the early morning hours of May 27, 1991, 14-year-old Konerak Sinthasomphone (by coincidence, the younger brother of the boy whom Dahmer had molested) was discovered on the street, wandering naked, heavily under the influence of drugs and bleeding from his rectum. Two young women from the neighborhood found the dazed boy and called 911. Dahmer chased his victim down and tried to take him away, but the women stopped him.[30] Dahmer told police that Sinthasomphone was his 19-year-old boyfriend, and that they had an argument while drinking. Against the protests of the two women who had called 911, police turned him over to Dahmer. They later reported smelling a strange scent while inside Dahmer's apartment, but did not investigate it. The smell was the body of Tony Hughes, Dahmer's previous victim, decomposing in the bedroom.


Cops aren't superheroes, they're just as capable of blowing off their duties as any other working stiff

85 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:37:29pm

re: #79 austin_blue

The point is that the Eucharist is, in fact, ritual cannibalism. If you believe in transubstantiation:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

It's pretty cut and dried.

Catholics chow down on Jesus every Sunday.

Well, sure, from within the theology of the Church, but to a pagan Roman, I assume it makes a difference whether the weird people meeting on Sundays down the block are eating bread that they believe becomes the flesh of their God through ritual, or actually eating people in a sense that nonbelievers understand it.

The first may seem odd to me, but hell, Rome's full of weird cults.

The second is gonna be a problem.

86 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:37:39pm

re: #82 lostlakehiker

Tax them?

Force them to operate like a business, doing their damndest to run a profit sufficient to cover the property taxes, the business license, the legal costs of defending the fraud charges?

Require them to hire without regard to religion? And not set any peculiar moral standards or insist upon any kinky stuff like circumcision or celibacy?

No. Require them not to cover up criminal acts by their employees or members within the organization under penalty of law. Is that too much too ask?

Just sayin'..

87 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:39:38pm

re: #83 kreyagg

I don't know many. As cynical as I am about the sort of people who wind up as police, I find it difficult to imagine that many would ignore one priest reporting another for raping kids.

It's very hard, though, if you don't have the cooperation of the Church hierarchy behind you. If they're denying, moving the guilty around, not keeping reports from you, pressuring the victims not to talk...it's not easy to just be a random priest (or anyone) calling up and saying 'J'accuse!' and get anyone jailed.

88 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:40:47pm

I seems my comment from last night calling a movie poster for "Sucker Punch" a duel between Iceweasel and the Stalker Iron Fist stirred up quite the furor over at the Fever Swamp, with Lead Stalker Rodan putting up a thread to highlight the post and attack me. Most of the fire directed my way was just juvenile attacks, but Bagua actually posted something that I'm going to respond to:

1. I was inspired to put up that post by a poster for Sucker Punch that is currently displayed at a bus shelter near where I work. The minigun-wielding troll reminded me irresistibly of Iron Fist, and Baby Doll, with her ice-blonde features fit well with Ice's nic. It was a humorous jibe based on something I saw, no more than that really. It was not a wish for anyone to be actually harmed.

2. It is true Bagua has never gone after me, but he has gone after Iceweasel is a manner I find ugly and offensive. That is much of why I'm seriously annoyed with him.

3. I blocked Bagua on Twitter because I block anyone who posts on "Diary of Daedalus" or The Blogmocracy". It's a policy of mine.

89 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:40:51pm

I think the RCC needs to modernize honestly. It's going to sound weird for me praising the Boy Scouts since I vehemently disagree with their policies on gays and atheists as members but when I had to help register my Dad when he became an assistant den leader, they had tests to make sure adults that would supervise the kids knew what and what was not appropirate. I honestly think it would be helpful to consider allowing priests to marry. Whether the hierachy of the church wants to admit it, when most people hear and think of the Roman Catholic Church, they think pedophilia.

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:41:08pm

re: #82 lostlakehiker

Tax them?

Force them to operate like a business, doing their damndest to run a profit sufficient to cover the property taxes, the business license, the legal costs of defending the fraud charges?

Require them to hire without regard to religion? And not set any peculiar moral standards or insist upon any kinky stuff like circumcision or celibacy?

It would be enough to demand that they not protect criminals from the law.

91 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:41:38pm

re: #77 Rightwingconspirator

Apologies to Stanley...
You just named the real "Cardinal sin". As in when the Cardinal looks the other way for years. As (it is said) our own Cardinal Mahoney did in Los Angeles.

I can no longer find the articles I read, it's actually been a few years ago . . .but this stuff begins in seminaries. It's not like these guys are in a seminary with a bunch of regular folks; there are some seminaries around that seem to be filled with people who engage in and condone pedophilia, and those who enter those particular seminaries know what they're getting into; and if they don't know it, they don't last long at the seminary. I believe the Church knows exactly which ones these are; and something very drastic needs to be done, like many years ago, about this. It wasn't, and it's time NOW to do something, and by drastic, I mean close the places down, kick those people out.

92 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:41:40pm

re: #81 WindUpBird

the point is they're satirizing the way the CURRENT GOP takes the image of Reagan on as a mantle to cloak their own ends

Noted. Sorry, I got trigger-happy again.

93 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:42:00pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

LOL!
They got their knickers in a lot of knots, why worry?

94 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:42:19pm

re: #83 kreyagg

I don't know many. As cynical as I am about the sort of people who wind up as police, I find it difficult to imagine that many would ignore one priest reporting another for raping kids.

That wasn't the question. It was about a cop reporting a pedophile cop who had never been arrested. Especially if it was a male cop bragging about a "conquest" of a girl in Las Vegas.

Boy's club. Thin blue line.

Disgusting, but if you don't think it hasn't happened, you don't know cops. My family is full of them.

95 lostlakehiker  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:43:00pm

re: #43 WindUpBird

There's a thing we like to call jail gay, homosexuality in the real world, (where people get to do and say as they like without the specter of institutional religious hierarchy arbitrarily dictating their human contact) and homosexuality if you're a purportedly celibate priest bereft of actual intimacy with adults and surrounded by young boys you have a lot of access to?

Those two are a long ways way from each other

Yes, they are. But the words denote this, or that, behavior. There are certainly any number of men who are not exclusively this, or that, in their behavior, and who would make different choices given different circumstances. That's part of why I emphasized "in this setting". You're right, the setting probably has something, or a lot, to do with it.

96 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:43:06pm

re: #91 reine.de.tout

It's WAY past time for the Church to react.
I am not holding my breath.

(Nice to see you, Reine!)

97 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:44:14pm

re: #93 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
They got their knickers in a lot of knots, why worry?

I'm not worried. But I felt a response was called for. And Bagua's post was the only one directed at me that wasn't a juvenile insult, so his was the one I responded to.

98 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:44:56pm

re: #89 HappyWarrior

I think the RCC needs to modernize honestly. It's going to sound weird for me praising the Boy Scouts since I vehemently disagree with their policies on gays and atheists as members but when I had to help register my Dad when he became an assistant den leader, they had tests to make sure adults that would supervise the kids knew what and what was not appropirate. I honestly think it would be helpful to consider allowing priests to marry. Whether the hierachy of the church wants to admit it, when most people hear and think of the Roman Catholic Church, they think pedophilia.

People who are pedophiles, are going to be pedophiles whether they're married or not. That particular disgusting urge does not disappear because a person gets married to an adult.

But yes, other stuff needs to be done; as I mentioned a few comments ago - this begins at the seminarian level. And there are some seminaries that seem to be filled with these folks, and they recruit like-minded folks, and those who are not like-minded don't last very long. I sure wish I could find the articles I read about this. All I can find now is what's going on in some Austrian seminaries, but it's similar to what I read about US seminaries a few years ago.

99 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:45:05pm

Kinda sorta off off topic, but I asked a question down in the Nebraska Abortion Law thread that I would like the more outraged Lizards to answer.

100 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:48:13pm

re: #98 reine.de.tout

People who are pedophiles, are going to be pedophiles whether they're married or not. That particular disgusting urge does not disappear because a person gets married to an adult.

But yes, other stuff needs to be done; as I mentioned a few comments ago - this begins at the seminarian level. And there are some seminaries that seem to be filled with these folks, and they recruit like-minded folks, and those who are not like-minded don't last very long. I sure wish I could find the articles I read about this. All I can find now is what's going on in some Austrian seminaries, but it's similar to what I read about US seminaries a few years ago.

Yes, I agree about pedophiles. I guess my point is that yes the church needs to modernize itself.

101 lostlakehiker  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:48:36pm

re: #86 austin_blue

No. Require them not to cover up criminal acts by their employees or members within the organization under penalty of law. Is that too much too ask?

Just sayin'..

But that's not the whole import of "force them to operate like a business." If what you meant to say is that religions ought not be exempt from civil criminal law, I heartily agree.

"Confession" is a tricky special case. The law cannot gain anything from requiring priests to report things learned in confession, for if the priests do not, all the law achieves is to bring on itself extra prison costs. And if the priests do, then after a blip of solved crimes, criminals cease to confess anything. They cease to be counseled that this is wrong and they should stop it, or turn themselves in, or whatever.

So just as in the commercial world, the law sometimes takes practicalities into consideration, weighing costs and benefits of pursuing a case, it makes sense to think along those lines when deciding how far to push the letter of the law when it comes to "confession".

102 lostlakehiker  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:52:39pm

re: #99 Bubblehead II

Kinda sorta off off topic, but I asked a question down in the Nebraska Abortion Law thread that I would like the more outraged Lizards to answer.

I guess I'm going to agree with WUB for once. Circumstances are king here. What if the parents aren't in a position to travel very far? There can be health, or financial, obstacles.

103 jaunte  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:54:01pm

re: #102 lostlakehiker

I think they only had eight days to figure out what to do, so traveling might not have been an option.

104 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:55:36pm

Goodnight, all.
Be well.
Play nicely.
Forgive, generously.

105 lostlakehiker  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:58:00pm

re: #104 Floral Giraffe

Goodnight, all.
Be well.
Play nicely.
Forgive, generously.

Did you see changomo? Nothing that extreme, a position that's somewhere between the respective 10-yard lines of politics, and yet garnering something like -50 in a couple of posts? Gentlemen, that's piling on.

106 Stanghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 8:58:13pm

re: #77 Rightwingconspirator

Apologies to Stanley...
You just named the real "Cardinal sin". As in when the Cardinal looks the other way for years. As (it is said) our own Cardinal Mahoney did in Los Angeles.

Like I said, kind of sublim.

:)

107 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:01:06pm

re: #105 lostlakehiker

Did you see changomo? Nothing that extreme, a position that's somewhere between the respective 10-yard lines of politics, and yet garnering something like -50 in a couple of posts? Gentlemen, that's piling on.

When did that happen?

108 blueraven  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:03:28pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

I'm not worried. But I felt a response was called for. And Bagua's post was the only one directed at me that wasn't a juvenile insult, so his was the one I responded to.

DF, I admire you very much. You always argue the merits without resorting to name calling and are generally a good sport. But every time you respond (especially directly) to those people from this blog, you give them a voice here.
You are giving them exactly what they seek.

109 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:04:40pm

re: #105 lostlakehiker

Did you see changomo? Nothing that extreme, a position that's somewhere between the respective 10-yard lines of politics, and yet garnering something like -50 in a couple of posts? Gentlemen, that's piling on.

it wasn't the political position, it was the trolly insulting bullshit mixed with the "angry villagers" line mixed with his trying to call Charles out, mixed with his claim at seniority even though he seemed unfamiliar with the blog

Personality matters!

110 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:05:01pm

Lizards, please stand by.

DAMN IT, CHARLES. It doesn't seem to matter if I am logged in on two different work stations (with different IP addresses) or have two windows opened on one a single work station with two windows open on different pages. I tend to get get an auto log off on both. WTF!

/// There is a thing called Multitasking you know.......

111 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:05:52pm

re: #99 Bubblehead II

Kinda sorta off off topic, but I asked a question down in the Nebraska Abortion Law thread that I would like the more outraged Lizards to answer.

I don't know if I'm a 'more outraged' lizard, but I have responded.

112 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:07:42pm

re: #103 jaunte

I think they only had eight days to figure out what to do, so traveling might not have been an option.

I wrote this on the thread below:

Briefly, I do not know their financial situation. However, my understanding is that the woman's water broke at 22 weeks, and she gave birth ten days later. She may not have been able to travel, and I do not think that it's the easiest thing in the world, even if you have unlimited money, to get to a brand-new hospital or clinic in a different state, to get a mid-second-trimester abortion for a woman already going into labor.

Assuming they didn't have unlimited money, but instead had normal health coverage, it may have simply been out of the question.

On a more general note, I really don't like the idea that people need to cross state lines to get adequate health care.

Adding: There is no way in hell any airline would allow a 22-weeks pregnant woman in labor onto a flight.

113 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:09:20pm

re: #105 lostlakehiker

Did you see changomo? Nothing that extreme, a position that's somewhere between the respective 10-yard lines of politics, and yet garnering something like -50 in a couple of posts? Gentlemen, that's piling on.

He wasn't extreme at all. But man, he wanted us to be, and he kept baiting the hook, over and over.

That wasn't piling on. He was here for blood games, and he got treated very nicely, all things considered.

114 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:11:21pm

re: #109 WindUpBird

it wasn't the political position, it was the trolly insulting bullshit mixed with the "angry villagers" line mixed with his trying to call Charles out, mixed with his claim at seniority even though he seemed unfamiliar with the blog

Personality matters!

And the claims of a mainstream pro-choice stance mixed with little slip-ups about, 'Well, why would you call if a baby if it's just a mass of cells, isn't that what liberals all think' apropos of nothing.

He wanted Charles to say something that could be construed as favoring late-term abortion on demand, or dehumanizing fetal Americans. That's all he was here for. Dishonest as hell.

115 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:12:26pm

re: #111 SanFranciscoZionist

Thanks. I will respond just as soon I as I log back in (on the other thread). Seems dual log - ins are not allowed. So I expect this one to auto-log me out

116 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:12:33pm

re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist

And the claims of a mainstream pro-choice stance mixed with little slip-ups about, 'Well, why would you call if a baby if it's just a mass of cells, isn't that what liberals all think' apropos of nothing.

He wanted Charles to say something that could be construed as favoring late-term abortion on demand, or dehumanizing fetal Americans. That's all he was here for. Dishonest as hell.

exxxxxactly!

117 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:13:04pm

re: #105 lostlakehiker

here's the thing, dude. the guy was a fucking dick. It had very little to do with his politics.

118 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:13:06pm

re: #89 HappyWarrior

I think the RCC needs to modernize honestly. It's going to sound weird for me praising the Boy Scouts since I vehemently disagree with their policies on gays and atheists as members but when I had to help register my Dad when he became an assistant den leader, they had tests to make sure adults that would supervise the kids knew what and what was not appropirate. I honestly think it would be helpful to consider allowing priests to marry. Whether the hierachy of the church wants to admit it, when most people hear and think of the Roman Catholic Church, they think pedophilia.

As the token LGF Scouter (Ojoe's not been around much as of late, AFAIK), National and the councils have done a lot of work towards screening out adults with criminal records and training leaders on how to appropriately put on the program.

When an adult registers as a Scouter, regardless if they're coming straight from the youth ranks (as I did...got my Eagle by the skin of my teeth ;-P) or are coming in because their kids got in to the program, you have to go through not only a state and federal criminal background check, but the chartering organization has the say on whether they want to approve that person's registration before it's forwarded to National. Leaders must also complete a youth protection course upon registration (parents are also strongly recommened to take it as well) and renew every two years.

BSA Youth Protection guidelines: [Link: www.scouting.org...]

119 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:13:50pm

re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist

He wasn't extreme at all. But man, he wanted us to be, and he kept baiting the hook, over and over.

That wasn't piling on. He was here for blood games, and he got treated very nicely, all things considered.

yeah, he wanted a real flamewar, and instead he got a bunch of dorks making fun of him :D

120 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:15:28pm

re: #119 WindUpBird

yeah, he wanted a real flamewar, and instead he got a bunch of dorks making fun of him :D

He was a dick, trying way too hard to troll us...he get thrown on the grill?

121 recusancy  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:15:51pm

re: #69 Dark_Falcon

I see. Well then, I offer a heartfelt "Fuck You!" to the staff of the Daily Show.

Reagan was a dunce and a hack. His greatest ability was to lie directly to the American people without a hint of shame.

122 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:16:29pm

re: #118 talon_262

As the token LGF Scouter (Ojoe's not been around much as of late, AFAIK), National and the councils have done a lot of work towards screening out adults with criminal records and training leaders on how to appropriately put on the program.

When an adult registers as a Scouter, regardless if they're coming straight from the youth ranks (as I did...got my Eagle by the skin of my teeth ;-P) or are coming in because their kids got in to the program, you have to go through not only a state and federal criminal background check, but the chartering organization has the say on whether they want to approve that person's registration before it's forwarded to National. Leaders must also complete a youth protection course upon registration (parents are also strongly recommened to take it as well) and renew every two years.

BSA Youth Protection guidelines: [Link: www.scouting.org...]

Yeah my Dad took that test. As I said, while I have strong philosophical differences with the scouts, I was impressed with that.

123 samgak  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:16:54pm

OT: Anonymous declares war on the US government for epic lulz.

DALLAS — A leader of the computer hackers group known as Anonymous is threatening new attacks on major U.S. corporations and government officials as part of at an escalating “cyberwar” against the citadels of American power.

“It’s a guerilla cyberwar — that’s what I call it,” said Barrett Brown, 29, who calls himself a senior strategist and “propagandist” for Anonymous. He added: “It’s sort of an unconventional, asymmetrical act of warfare that we’ve involved in. And we didn’t necessarily start it. I mean, this fire has been burning.”

A defiant and cocky 29-year-old college dropout, Brown was cavalier about accusations that the group is violating federal laws. He insisted that Anonymous members are only policing corporate and governmental wrongdoing — as its members define it.

Hey, I know that name from somewhere...

124 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:18:01pm

re: #123 samgak

The smaller the world gets, the more interesting it gets

125 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:18:14pm

re: #121 recusancy

Couldn't disagree more. He had guts and courage that Cater lacked, and he was able to communicate far more effectively than most presidents. His policies brought the US a great deal of economic growth, and they holed the Soviet Union below the waterline.

126 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:18:46pm

I saw that troll earlier. Seemed desperate to put words in other people's mouths. Never once talked to me directly, go figure.

127 Kragar  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:18:57pm

re: #123 samgak

OT: Anonymous declares war on the US government for epic lulz.

Hey, I know that name from somewhere...

I can see no negative repercussions to that decision.

128 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:19:05pm

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

Couldn't disagree more. He had guts and courage that Cater lacked, and he was able to communicate far more effectively than most presidents. His policies brought the US a great deal of economic growth, and they holed the Soviet Union below the waterline.

this all began because you missed the point of the Daily Show's humor, you know ;-)

129 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:19:17pm

re: #123 samgak

OT: Anonymous declares war on the US government for epic lulz.

Hey, I know that name from somewhere...

Rings a bell...

If BB and Anon think that taking on the US Government is a good idea, I disagree with them. The Feds don't take too lightly to getting fucked with...

130 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:19:23pm

re: #123 samgak

OT: Anonymous declares war on the US government for epic lulz.

Hey, I know that name from somewhere...

He used to post here, before Charles banned his ass. Now he posts on the "Diary of Daedalus" stalker blog.

131 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:20:22pm

re: #128 WindUpBird

this all began because you missed the point of the Daily Show's humor, you know ;-)

I know. Sometimes I miss jokes. I have a literal mind.

132 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:20:28pm

Eisenhower > Reagan.

133 recusancy  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:21:14pm

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

Couldn't disagree more. He had guts and courage that Cater lacked, and he was able to communicate far more effectively than most presidents. His policies brought the US a great deal of economic growth, and they holed the Soviet Union below the waterline.

Couldn't disagree more. He brought the religious nuts into the fold. His policies started us on the budgetary downslope that we are currently enjoying the fruits of. He was also a opportunistic racist.

134 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:21:45pm

re: #129 talon_262

Rings a bell...

If BB and Anon think that taking on the US Government is a good idea, I disagree with them. The Feds don't take too lightly to getting fucked with...

Doesn't everyone take on the US government the moment they break any law?

Having said that, there are smart Anon (google HbGary and what was done to HBGary, that was the smart Anon and they are the real deal)

and there are dumb Anon (college students who hang out on chan boards and get arrested because they don't cover their tracks)

and there's just a LOT of anon so generalizing them is like generalizing all of America. :P

135 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:21:55pm

re: #120 talon_262

He was a dick, trying way too hard to troll us...he get thrown on the grill?

Nah, he got bored and wandered away.

136 Jadespring  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:23:30pm

re: #131 Dark_Falcon

I know. Sometimes I miss jokes. I have a literal mind.

Well you also didn't see the actual sketch which I think would have made a difference in the first place. :)

137 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:24:57pm

re: #121 recusancy

I disagree...while I don't agree with some of what Reagan and his administration did (Iran-Contra and courting the RR wingnuts, for example), he was not a stupid man, no matter what some people wish to say (just as was said about W).

138 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:25:37pm

re: #135 SanFranciscoZionist

Nah, he got bored and wandered away.


"grilling" seems like something Charles would disapprove of. When I think troll "grilling", I think figuring out their real identities and posting them and saying "Hey, Travis McSmithjones, who has an account on deviantart whose breadth and depth of Pokemon fanart we currently are marveling the ineptitude of, please stop bothering us, and give our best to your wife who drives a late model Neon and who has a livejournal under the name xXxwickedtracyxXx."

That's how you grill a troll!

139 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:26:08pm

re: #134 WindUpBird

Doesn't everyone take on the US government the moment they break any law?

I fought the law, and the law won!!

140 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:26:41pm

re: #138 WindUpBird

not that anything like that ever happened at all anywhere that i ever heard of no sir

141 recusancy  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:27:00pm

re: #137 talon_262

I disagree...while I don't agree with some of what Reagan and his administration did (Iran-Contra and courting the RR wingnuts, for example), he was not a stupid man, no matter what some people wish to say (just as was said about W).

The dunce and hack part was just some hyperbole to piss DF off.

142 recusancy  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:29:56pm

re: #137 talon_262

I disagree...while I don't agree with some of what Reagan and his administration did (Iran-Contra and courting the RR wingnuts, for example), he was not a stupid man, no matter what some people wish to say (just as was said about W).

I don't think W was stupid compared to the average person but he was definitely the least intelligent president we've had in a long damned time. If not ever. Would you agree with that?

143 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:30:30pm

re: #134 WindUpBird

Doesn't everyone take on the US government the moment they break any law?

Having said that, there are smart Anon (google HbGary and what was done to HBGary, that was the smart Anon and they are the real deal)

and there are dumb Anon (college students who hang out on chan boards and get arrested because they don't cover their tracks)

and there's just a LOT of anon so generalizing them is like generalizing all of America. :P

I think BB falls in this category...he ain't even trying to hide his association with Anon (and is even pimping it on YT and in the media).

Hell, I'll bet a big chunk of Anon is not in the US...regardless, I'm not a big fan of internet mob "justice".

144 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:30:32pm

Seriously, a person is pro-life, they're not a dick, I got no problem with it. I have very strong beliefs about the need to keep abortion legal, but I don't write off anyone who opposes abortion, or even wants to ban abortion, as a bad person.

Someone who says, outright, "A human life is sacred, and I don't think anyone has a right to abort," we can argue till the cows come home, and not convince each other, but if there isn't some nasty agenda hiding up her sleeve, we're good.

But Changomo was being dishonest from the start. That, or spectacularly clueless, but the language makes me think dishonest.

145 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:30:32pm

re: #136 Jadespring

Well you also didn't see the actual sketch which I think would have made a difference in the first place. :)

I'm not a Daily Show fan.

146 recusancy  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:31:47pm

I have a general question about this blog. Where did the "lizards" thing come in? Does it have any meaning or just a play off the "green"?

147 blueraven  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:32:05pm

Goodnight Lizards...sleep well!

148 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:32:41pm

re: #144 SanFranciscoZionist

Seriously, a person is pro-life, they're not a dick, I got no problem with it. I have very strong beliefs about the need to keep abortion legal, but I don't write off anyone who opposes abortion, or even wants to ban abortion, as a bad person.

Someone who says, outright, "A human life is sacred, and I don't think anyone has a right to abort," we can argue till the cows come home, and not convince each other, but if there isn't some nasty agenda hiding up her sleeve, we're good.

But Changomo was being dishonest from the start. That, or spectacularly clueless, but the language makes me think dishonest.


Shit, I'm probably more "pro life" than many people here and he was pissing me off.

149 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:32:45pm

re: #143 talon_262

I think BB falls in this category...he ain't even trying to hide his association with Anon (and is even pimping it on YT and in the media).

Hell, I'll bet a big chunk of Anon is not in the US...regardless, I'm not a big fan of internet mob "justice".

Well, if he wants to start a fight with the government, he should be ready for trouble. Because the Feds have the RICO statute at their disposal. So if Barrett Brown wants to play hacker warrior, I see an indictment in his future.

150 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:33:34pm

re: #143 talon_262

And I don't think it'd be a good idea for BB or Anon to be telegraphing their punches...Johnny Law might start paying attention.

151 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:33:47pm

re: #142 recusancy

I don't think W was stupid compared to the average person but he was definitely the least intelligent president we've had in a long damned time. If not ever. Would you agree with that?

I don't think he was STUPIDstupid, I think he was not intellectually curious. He was dumb compared to Clinton. Clinton was a damn Rhodes scholar. Whatever people say about Clinton, he was terrifyingly smart, a real intellectual.

152 recusancy  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:35:42pm

re: #151 WindUpBird

I don't think he was STUPIDstupid, I think he was not intellectually curious. He was dumb compared to Clinton. Clinton was a damn Rhodes scholar. Whatever people say about Clinton, he was terrifyingly smart, a real intellectual.

W wasn't intellectually anything.

153 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:36:27pm

re: #146 recusancy

I have a general question about this blog. Where did the "lizards" thing come in? Does it have any meaning or just a play off the "green"?

It's a take on a post by Charles where he mocked those seeking "secrets" about LGF by saying he was a Lizardoid alien living in a nitrogen-filled chamber underneath Denver International Airport. Shortly thereafter, those posting here started calling themselves members of the "Lizard Army" and in time just "lizards".

154 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:37:19pm

re: #151 WindUpBird

I don't think he was STUPIDstupid, I think he was not intellectually curious. He was dumb compared to Clinton. Clinton was a damn Rhodes scholar. Whatever people say about Clinton, he was terrifyingly smart, a real intellectual.

I agree with this assessment of Bush. I think for many my age knowing mostly Clinton (I was five and a half when HW left office and have little memory of him as president) that the contrast was sharp. Plus the many gaffes. I mean come on people even if you liked Bush you gotta admit the Bushisms were funny. Bidenisms amuse me too so I am equal opportunity.

155 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:37:22pm

re: #152 recusancy

W wasn't intellectually anything.

My father said it well, somewhere in the mists of the mid 2000s, after we were many drinks deep and playing pool at Christmas: "You gotta be pretty fucking smart to graduate from Yale without cracking a book."

156 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:37:39pm

re: #151 WindUpBird

I don't think he was STUPIDstupid, I think he was not intellectually curious. He was dumb compared to Clinton. Clinton was a damn Rhodes scholar. Whatever people say about Clinton, he was terrifyingly smart, a real intellectual.

That I actually agree with. Bush knows what he knows and is happy with that. He doesn't go out seeking complexity.

157 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:38:38pm

re: #151 WindUpBird

I don't think he was STUPIDstupid, I think he was not intellectually curious. He was dumb compared to Clinton. Clinton was a damn Rhodes scholar. Whatever people say about Clinton, he was terrifyingly smart, a real intellectual.

I could somewhat agree with this, especially about Bill (and Hillary)...W was more everyman-ish, while Bill Clinton was more erudite. The Clintons, while conniving and calculating at times, are pretty damn smart.

158 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:38:53pm

Speaking of the Dorkus mob, I'm quite irritated that my 'raise taxes' comment was interpreted as me being rude to brookly. I was merely agreeing that I want to raise taxes. It was certainly not meant as an attack on brookly.

Also, brookly is a guy, right? Or have I been totally confused for years?

159 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:39:31pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

I agree with this assessment of Bush. I think for many my age knowing mostly Clinton (I was five and a half when HW left office and have little memory of him as president) that the contrast was sharp. Plus the many gaffes. I mean come on people even if you liked Bush you gotta admit the Bushisms were funny. Bidenisms amuse me too so I am equal opportunity.

I have reaaally softened on Bush these days. I was softer on him than my friends at the time, and even softer on him now. I have come to the conclusion that I blamed things on Bush that were really beyond his ability to stop

I have hardened on the GOP, however :D

160 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:39:39pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

I agree with this assessment of Bush. I think for many my age knowing mostly Clinton (I was five and a half when HW left office and have little memory of him as president) that the contrast was sharp. Plus the many gaffes. I mean come on people even if you liked Bush you gotta admit the Bushisms were funny. Bidenisms amuse me too so I am equal opportunity.

My mother still remind me that I need to put food on my family.

//I love Bidenisms, Bushisms, even Quaylisms...

161 jaunte  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:39:52pm

re: #158 SanFranciscoZionist

He's a guy.

162 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:40:10pm

re: #157 talon_262

I could somewhat agree with this, especially about Bill (and Hillary)...W was more everyman-ish, while Bill Clinton was more erudite. The Clintons, while conniving and calculating at times, are pretty damn smart.

Oh they didn't kill Vince Foster! But maybe they could have :D

163 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:40:19pm

re: #158 SanFranciscoZionist

Speaking of the Dorkus mob, I'm quite irritated that my 'raise taxes' comment was interpreted as me being rude to brookly. I was merely agreeing that I want to raise taxes. It was certainly not meant as an attack on brookly.

Also, brookly is a guy, right? Or have I been totally confused for years?

no, he's a guy. And I agree you weren't being rude.

164 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:40:53pm

re: #158 SanFranciscoZionist

Speaking of the Dorkus mob, I'm quite irritated that my 'raise taxes' comment was interpreted as me being rude to brookly. I was merely agreeing that I want to raise taxes. It was certainly not meant as an attack on brookly.

Also, brookly is a guy, right? Or have I been totally confused for years?

Brookly is a guy or a lesbian, because I distinctly remember a whole thing about a girlfriend

165 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:41:11pm

re: #159 WindUpBird

I have reaaally softened on Bush these days. I was softer on him than my friends at the time, and even softer on him now. I have come to the conclusion that I blamed things on Bush that were really beyond his ability to stop

I have hardened on the GOP, however :D

I have too. I think it's because of people like Newt, Palin, Huckabee, and others appearing so damned insane in comparison to him. Plus, I've realized that while in most circumstances I could never vote for the guy but I can now see he has a likability to him. I was way partisan about the man especially in his first term but I was a dumb teenager :).

166 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:41:54pm

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

That I actually agree with. Bush knows what he knows and is happy with that. He doesn't go out seeking complexity.

Yeah!

And the idea that the president doesn't intellectually seek? That's not good. I want a president that values intellectual discovery for its own sake.

167 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:41:59pm

re: #162 WindUpBird

Oh they didn't kill Vince Foster! But maybe they could have :D

The Vince Foster was black helicopter shit, but you can't deny that Bill was the king of triangulation.

168 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:42:06pm

re: #159 WindUpBird

I have reaaally softened on Bush these days. I was softer on him than my friends at the time, and even softer on him now. I have come to the conclusion that I blamed things on Bush that were really beyond his ability to stop

I have hardened on the GOP, however :D

The man got his thumb caught in the doorjamb of history, and you gotta give him props for a lot.

This is not to say I will ever be a George Bush fan, but he did the best he could, as Molly Ivins reminds us, all our presidents do.

169 recusancy  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:42:44pm

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

That I actually agree with. Bush knows what he knows and is happy with that. He doesn't go out seeking complexity.

Okcupid blog found a modern correlation here. If on a first date the best way to figure out your dates politics is to ask them "Do you prefer the people in your life to be simple or complex?". If your date said simple it's 2:1 they're a conservative. Visa versa for a liberal.

170 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:44:18pm

re: #167 talon_262

The Vince Foster was black helicopter shit, but you can't deny that Bill was the king of triangulation.

I know, it's a joke ;-) And yes, Bill was a machine at the game

I like Obama more, and I think he's more professorial and less intoxicated with power than Clinton was, but he doesn't have the Clinton weaponry, he's not as shrewd, which irritates me

171 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:45:07pm

re: #160 SanFranciscoZionist

My mother still remind me that I need to put food on my family.

//I love Bidenisms, Bushisms, even Quaylisms...

He made the famous Is Our Children learning not too far from where I grew up. I have to admit watching Boardwalk Empire seeing Harding reminded me of him since Harding too had a tendency to be liberal shall we say with the English language. What's funny is I realize I make similiar gaffes. I was taling about the word homozygous this weekend and I was mispronouncing it heh. And Harding also with his love life kinda reminded me of Bill too.

172 recusancy  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:46:53pm

re: #168 SanFranciscoZionist

The man got his thumb caught in the doorjamb of history, and you gotta give him props for a lot.

This is not to say I will ever be a George Bush fan, but he did the best he could, as Molly Ivins reminds us, all our presidents do.

That's setting the bar pretty low. Doing the best he can? I give him props for not being a racist or a xenophobe. That's about it.

173 austin_blue  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:47:11pm

Night all. Sweet dreams.

174 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:48:44pm

re: #170 WindUpBird

I know, it's a joke ;-) And yes, Bill was a machine at the game

I like Obama more, and I think he's more professorial and less intoxicated with power than Clinton was, but he doesn't have the Clinton weaponry, he's not as shrewd, which irritates me

As triangulating as Bill was, he seemed to be every bit as likable and sociable as as I imagine W would be when they're away from Washington...I love to just chill with either one of them; I'm sure they have some stories.

As far as President Obama goes, he seems to be taking the job more serious more of the time...to bring up a word blast from the past, he has more "gravitas", IMO.

175 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:49:13pm

The thing about Bush is I wish he had been more intellectually curious. This isn't just a quality I seek in my leaders but in my friends as well. I also sometimes found Bush arrogant. Like in the way he bragged about being a mediocre student. I am not going to say that it was his family name alone that got him in to the Ivy League but let's be reasonable here, Bush had more room for mediocrity and future success then those of us who did not come from an as prestigious family and that bothered me. Now looking back on the man, I have really started to realize that he was aside from gay rights quite tolerant on minorities. You don't appoint a black man at Sec of State and later a black woman at the same and then a Hispanic at AG if you're a bigot. Plus, the man seems to unlike many in his party in power today realize how hard working many of our immigrants are. While I admit, I belittled his attempts at Spanish, even though my own is much worse, in hindsight I think it was sincere and something that is lacking in today's Republican Party. I would not vote for Bush over Gore or Kerry but I like the man much more than I did in the past that is for sure.

176 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:50:07pm

re: #169 recusancy

Okcupid blog found a modern correlation here. If on a first date the best way to figure out your dates politics is to ask them "Do you prefer the people in your life to be simple or complex?". If your date said simple it's 2:1 they're a conservative. Visa versa for a liberal.


That religion & writing proficiency graph is blowing my mind.

177 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:50:16pm

re: #168 SanFranciscoZionist

The man got his thumb caught in the doorjamb of history, and you gotta give him props for a lot.

This is not to say I will ever be a George Bush fan, but he did the best he could, as Molly Ivins reminds us, all our presidents do.

That's worth remembering. He didn't imagine having to deal with Radical Islam as the defining issue of his presidency. 9/11 was so huge that it changed the course of his administration and meant that it is precisely than struggle which defined the presidency of George W. Bush.

178 recusancy  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:52:13pm

re: #176 JasonA

That religion & writing proficiency graph is blowing my mind.

That's one of the best blogs on the internet. Bookmark it. Look through their archives. They do really interesting statistics.

179 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:52:32pm

Apparently I 'need to hang' for agreeing that I want to raise taxes, per the friendly neighborhood stalkernuts, and they're in agreement that clearly I don't pay taxes.

Not only do I pay taxes, but I even grit my teeth and bravely quote Oliver Wendell Holmes, "I like paying taxes. With them, I buy civilization."

180 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:52:33pm

re: #174 talon_262

As triangulating as Bill was, he seemed to be every bit as likable and sociable as as I imagine W would be when they're away from Washington...I love to just chill with either one of them; I'm sure they have some stories.

As far as President Obama goes, he seems to be taking the job more serious more of the time...to bring up a word blast from the past, he has more "gravitas", IMO.


I think a hundred years from now, Obama will look reeeeally reaally good. He is president at a really strange time in our nation's history, he's inherited a lot of horrible shit, and his presidency has revealed a lot of hidden racist currents.

181 recusancy  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:53:09pm

re: #177 Dark_Falcon

That's worth remembering. He didn't imagine having to deal with Radical Islam as the defining issue of his presidency. 9/11 was so huge that it changed the course of his administration and meant that it is precisely than struggle which defined the presidency of George W. Bush.

And he fucked it up by getting us bogged down in Iraq.

182 sagehen  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:54:01pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

I agree with this assessment of Bush. I think for many my age knowing mostly Clinton (I was five and a half when HW left office and have little memory of him as president) that the contrast was sharp. Plus the many gaffes. I mean come on people even if you liked Bush you gotta admit the Bushisms were funny. Bidenisms amuse me too so I am equal opportunity.

Bush the Elder wasn't a great public speaker (serious charisma deficit), but his intellect was at least double his son's -- before he set out to run for Pres he'd been Ambassador to China, Director of the CIA, RNC Chair, and done well at all of them.

183 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:54:04pm

re: #175 HappyWarrior

The thing about Bush is I wish he had been more intellectually curious. This isn't just a quality I seek in my leaders but in my friends as well. I also sometimes found Bush arrogant. Like in the way he bragged about being a mediocre student. I am not going to say that it was his family name alone that got him in to the Ivy League but let's be reasonable here, Bush had more room for mediocrity and future success then those of us who did not come from an as prestigious family and that bothered me. Now looking back on the man, I have really started to realize that he was aside from gay rights quite tolerant on minorities. You don't appoint a black man at Sec of State and later a black woman at the same and then a Hispanic at AG if you're a bigot. Plus, the man seems to unlike many in his party in power today realize how hard working many of our immigrants are. While I admit, I belittled his attempts at Spanish, even though my own is much worse, in hindsight I think it was sincere and something that is lacking in today's Republican Party. I would not vote for Bush over Gore or Kerry but I like the man much more than I did in the past that is for sure.

Bush was very good about race. He didn't have resentment, or 'issues', he had a Texas understanding of what a multiracial society looks like.

I think he had real trouble understanding people who were different from him in other ways.

184 recusancy  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:55:13pm

re: #182 sagehen

Bush the Elder wasn't a great public speaker (serious charisma deficit), but his intellect was at least double his son's -- before he set out to run for Pres he'd been Ambassador to China, Director of the CIA, RNC Chair, and done well at all of them.

I was too young to care at the time but looking back I really like H. W.

185 sagehen  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:55:29pm

re: #159 WindUpBird

I have reaaally softened on Bush these days. I was softer on him than my friends at the time, and even softer on him now. I have come to the conclusion that I blamed things on Bush that were really beyond his ability to stop

I have hardened on the GOP, however :D

For example, Dick Cheney. That's something that was definitely beyond W's ability to stop.

186 recusancy  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:56:14pm

re: #183 SanFranciscoZionist

Bush was very good about race. He didn't have resentment, or 'issues', he had a Texas understanding of what a multiracial society looks like.

I think he had real trouble understanding people who were different from him in other ways.

Exactly. His "other" was people who disagreed with him or had a different world view.

187 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:56:19pm

re: #185 sagehen

For example, Dick Cheney. That's something that was definitely beyond W's ability to stop.

You just don't expect the military industrial complex ITSELF to be VP

You expect them to be writing the checks! You don't expect them to have a GUY IN THE DAMN CHAIR

188 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:56:21pm

re: #184 recusancy

I was too young to care at the time but looking back I really like H. W.

He signed Americans with Disabilities Act, for an Aspie like me, you gotta like that. Plus I believe he signed the Clean Air Act too. Aside but one of my first real memories is of watching the Gulf War on tv at my grandparents.

189 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:56:35pm

Evening all!

How is everyone!

190 RadicalModerate  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:57:33pm

A followup on the story downstairs regarding the Arkansas Legislature special election where the Republican candidate called his opponent a "Pro-Abortion Jewish Lawyer."

The election was held today, and the Republican candidate, Bruce Cozart won by a 60-40 margin over Jerry Rephan.

[Link: bluearkansasblog.com...]

So, even openly racist campaign statements apparently aren't a problem with these folks.

191 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:58:09pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

Apparently I 'need to hang' for agreeing that I want to raise taxes, per the friendly neighborhood stalkernuts, and they're in agreement that clearly I don't pay taxes.

Not only do I pay taxes, but I even grit my teeth and bravely quote Oliver Wendell Holmes, "I like paying taxes. With them, I buy civilization."

Man, that's low. You're about as non-hateful as it gets, and you never wish harm on anyone. Yet someone actually said you should be killed for disagreeing with them? What the Hell? Do they think they're empowered to repeal the First Amendment?

192 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:58:43pm

re: #190 RadicalModerate

A followup on the story downstairs regarding the Arkansas Legislature special election where the Republican candidate called his opponent a "Pro-Abortion Jewish Lawyer."

The election was held today, and the Republican candidate, Bruce Cozart won by a 60-40 margin over Jerry Rephan.

[Link: bluearkansasblog.com...]

So, even openly racist campaign statements apparently aren't a problem with these folks.

I don't think I could have a lower opinion of humanity than I do right now.

193 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 9:58:50pm

re: #190 RadicalModerate

A followup on the story downstairs regarding the Arkansas Legislature special election where the Republican candidate called his opponent a "Pro-Abortion Jewish Lawyer."

The election was held today, and the Republican candidate, Bruce Cozart won by a 60-40 margin over Jerry Rephan.

[Link: bluearkansasblog.com...]

So, even openly racist campaign statements apparently aren't a problem with these folks.

I imagine his defense of his bigotry was the same of the guy who called Schumer a dirty Jew or some facsimlie there of "But I love and support Israel!." It seems that's the right wing defense everytime they're caught saying someone nasty about Jews.

194 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:00:32pm

re: #182 sagehen

Bush the Elder wasn't a great public speaker (serious charisma deficit), but his intellect was at least double his son's -- before he set out to run for Pres he'd been Ambassador to China, Director of the CIA, RNC Chair, and done well at all of them.

but for being president, charisma and the ability to connect is more important than intellect. George W. was a more effective president than his father, and much of than is attributable to the fact that he was far more able to connect with the voters.

195 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:01:03pm

re: #190 RadicalModerate

A followup on the story downstairs regarding the Arkansas Legislature special election where the Republican candidate called his opponent a "Pro-Abortion Jewish Lawyer."

The election was held today, and the Republican candidate, Bruce Cozart won by a 60-40 margin over Jerry Rephan.

[Link: bluearkansasblog.com...]

So, even openly racist campaign statements apparently aren't a problem with these folks.


yeah :(

196 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:02:22pm

re: #189 ggt

Evening all!

How is everyone!

I'm writing a paper about video game addiction.

Now, if I had chosen to write about addiction to political blogs, I could be using myself as a test subject right about now.

197 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:02:27pm

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

but for being president, charisma and the ability to connect is more important than intellect. George W. was a more effective president than his father, and much of than is attributable to the fact that he was far more able to connect with the voters.

Charisma: tool
ability to connect(actually same as charisma): tool

intellect: intellect


That's like saying if I have a fast enough car I no longer need to pay attention to the road :D

198 BryanS  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:02:35pm

Has anyone quoted Hitch yet?

Yes, the Catholic Church is again shown to have a "no child's behind left" policy.

199 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:03:41pm

re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm writing a paper about video game addiction.

Now, if I had chosen to write about addiction to political blogs, I could be using myself as a test subject right about now.

I hope you are studying Farmville, all the new addict merchants are on facebook ;-) Guys like us who buy games in stores? dying breed

200 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:04:37pm

re: #182 sagehen

Bush the Elder wasn't a great public speaker (serious charisma deficit), but his intellect was at least double his son's -- before he set out to run for Pres he'd been Ambassador to China, Director of the CIA, RNC Chair, and done well at all of them.

I wouldn't say George H.W. has double the intellect of W, but he is a pretty learned man, and worldly man (if H.W. was never President, I'd respect him for his WWII service and for skydiving in his 80s, for sure). I'd say that they'd compliment each other, George H.W for his intellectual breadth and W for his easy-going personality.

201 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:04:40pm

re: #191 Dark_Falcon

Man, that's low. You're about as non-hateful as it gets, and you never wish harm on anyone. Yet someone actually said you should be killed for disagreeing with them? What the Hell? Do they think they're empowered to repeal the First Amendment?

I think these folks don't think of taxes as something people of good will can disagree about.

You know who we're talking about, Dark. They're not the world's most reasonable crowd.

202 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:05:11pm

Re: GW Bush, it's funny my first real exposure to him was on the Simpsons episode where Barbara and H.W move into Springfield. Homer and Bart trick H.W by having cardboard cutouts of Jeb and G.W and stick a rainbow wig on his head which is superglued on. What's funny about the episode is H.W who I like somewhat now comes across as a jerk (hey he was friends with Flanders who is a stupid jerk) and Barbara came across like Mrs. Wilson on Dennis the Menace which I know was the joke. The funny thing about that episode is it helped build my longtime positive impression of Jerry Ford which has only grown since I learned more about him. I was really amazed to read that President and Mrs. Ford proudly declared themselves supporters of gay rights. Loved seeing that from a couple that was the same age of my Dad's parents. I think he's probably hte last Republican on a national level for president I would have voted for. I am not a big Carter fan honestly. Though I admit a lot of this is from the perspective of being born in 87.

203 recusancy  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:05:55pm

re: #200 talon_262

I wouldn't say George H.W. has double the intellect of W, but he is a pretty learned man, and worldly man (if H.W. was never President, I'd respect him for his WWII service and for skydiving in his 80s, for sure). I'd say that they'd compliment each other, George H.W for his intellectual breadth and W for his easy-going personality.

Brit Hume was his sky diving partner.

204 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:07:54pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

Apparently I 'need to hang' for agreeing that I want to raise taxes, per the friendly neighborhood stalkernuts, and they're in agreement that clearly I don't pay taxes.

Not only do I pay taxes, but I even grit my teeth and bravely quote Oliver Wendell Holmes, "I like paying taxes. With them, I buy civilization."

crazy grandpa at the computer again ranting bout liberal lady in liberalstan

205 Amory Blaine  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:08:19pm

The Archdiocese of Philadelphia. Giving dirty old men everywhere a bad name.

206 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:08:20pm

re: #177 Dark_Falcon

That's worth remembering. He didn't imagine having to deal with Radical Islam as the defining issue of his presidency. 9/11 was so huge that it changed the course of his administration and meant that it is precisely than struggle which defined the presidency of George W. Bush.

I remember a friend, much farther to the left than I, commenting about a week after 9/11, "I'm kind of proud of Bush. He's standing tall, and saying the right things, and making me feel that we can get through this. He's being presidential."

207 Kragar  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:08:45pm

So I learned tonight that scratch building Ministorum Priests with the materials I have on hand is not going to happen.

208 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:08:56pm

re: #202 HappyWarrior

Re: GW Bush, it's funny my first real exposure to him was on the Simpsons episode where Barbara and H.W move into Springfield. Homer and Bart trick H.W by having cardboard cutouts of Jeb and G.W and stick a rainbow wig on his head which is superglued on. What's funny about the episode is H.W who I like somewhat now comes across as a jerk (hey he was friends with Flanders who is a stupid jerk) and Barbara came across like Mrs. Wilson on Dennis the Menace which I know was the joke. The funny thing about that episode is it helped build my longtime positive impression of Jerry Ford which has only grown since I learned more about him. I was really amazed to read that President and Mrs. Ford proudly declared themselves supporters of gay rights. Loved seeing that from a couple that was the same age of my Dad's parents. I think he's probably hte last Republican on a national level for president I would have voted for. I am not a big Carter fan honestly. Though I admit a lot of this is from the perspective of being born in 87.

Read Robert Caro's series on LBJ.

Start backwards with Master of the Senate.

I was born in 1964 and wish I had read it years ago. Perspective is a wonderful thing.

209 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:09:59pm

re: #190 RadicalModerate

A followup on the story downstairs regarding the Arkansas Legislature special election where the Republican candidate called his opponent a "Pro-Abortion Jewish Lawyer."

The election was held today, and the Republican candidate, Bruce Cozart won by a 60-40 margin over Jerry Rephan.

[Link: bluearkansasblog.com...]

So, even openly racist campaign statements apparently aren't a problem with these folks.

There are less than 1700 Jews in Arkansas. That may explain some of that.

//

210 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:10:40pm

re: #208 ggt

Read Robert Caro's series on LBJ.

Start backwards with Master of the Senate.

I was born in 1964 and wish I had read it years ago. Perspective is a wonderful thing.

Yeah I need to read that. LBJ seems like the kind of person I would love to learn more about. Simple people don't interest me, more complex ones like LBJ and Nixon whom I have researched and written about do.

211 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:11:51pm

re: #210 HappyWarrior

Yeah I need to read that. LBJ seems like the kind of person I would love to learn more about. Simple people don't interest me, more complex ones like LBJ and Nixon whom I have researched and written about do.

in terms of an interesting read, it's Nixon ALL THE WAY

212 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:11:55pm

re: #199 WindUpBird

I hope you are studying Farmville, all the new addict merchants are on facebook ;-) Guys like us who buy games in stores? dying breed

MMORPGs to be exact. Farmville, though...my God.

The whole industry has figured out how to create a Skinner box the rat won't leave.

/Speaking of which, I should check that my husband's water bottle isn't getting low...

213 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:11:55pm

re: #210 HappyWarrior

Yeah I need to read that. LBJ seems like the kind of person I would love to learn more about. Simple people don't interest me, more complex ones like LBJ and Nixon whom I have researched and written about do.

Master of the Senate (besides being a fantastically written and researched book) gives a lot of background info that helps explain a lot of what is playing out today, IMHO.

214 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:13:38pm

re: #211 WindUpBird

in terms of an interesting read, it's Nixon ALL THE WAY

I've finally worked myself up to the first book and am about half way thru it. It's been slow going because LBJ is someone that makes me want to vomit. It get's worse with each chapter.

Pathetic is how I'd describe him.

215 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:14:28pm

re: #206 SanFranciscoZionist

I remember a friend, much farther to the left than I, commenting about a week after 9/11, "I'm kind of proud of Bush. He's standing tall, and saying the right things, and making me feel that we can get through this. He's being presidential."

I agree with that, but he burnt up a lot of goodwill with his administration's prosecution of Iraq and Afghanistan...and I voted for him in 2004. Still doesn't mean I don't like the man on a personal level, because I do respect him.

re: #208 ggt

Read Robert Caro's series on LBJ.

Start backwards with Master of the Senate.

I was born in 1964 and wish I had read it years ago. Perspective is a wonderful thing.

Every President's Day, Military Channel runs a series about the most influential presidents of the 20th century...the episode on LBJ was very illuminating.

216 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:14:39pm

re: #211 WindUpBird

in terms of an interesting read, it's Nixon ALL THE WAY

Yeah, I know. It was cool since my professor I wrote the paper for knew Nixon. It was a paper about just how to the left Nixon would be considered now on domestic policies. I have to admit I was shocked at some of the stuff I read. I've made the mistake of telling my Dad, the old hippie that there's a part of me that feels sympathy for the devil so to speak and he doesn't like hearing that haha. Of course, there's another part of me that despises Nixon. The three things that stay constant are that I admire him being self-made, intelligent as a whip, and feel sorrow for him losing two brothers to TB.

217 Jadespring  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:15:35pm

re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm writing a paper about video game addiction.

Now, if I had chosen to write about addiction to political blogs, I could be using myself as a test subject right about now.

Next Monday I'm going to do some binge gaming. Should last about three days. Are you covering that? :D

218 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:15:45pm

re: #212 SanFranciscoZionist

MMORPGs to be exact. Farmville, though...my God.

The whole industry has figured out how to create a Skinner box the rat won't leave.

/Speaking of which, I should check that my husband's water bottle isn't getting low...

I was getting daily updates from my friends at the Game Developer Conference about the rising and at times explosive tempers flaring between the social media devs and the GAME game devs, the xbox/PS3/PC guys

And then the indie devs (who my friends are) just sat quietly in the corner having their indie awards ceremony with pinwheels and paper plates and Oreos for everyone :D

219 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:15:55pm

re: #216 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I know. It was cool since my professor I wrote the paper for knew Nixon. It was a paper about just how to the left Nixon would be considered now on domestic policies. I have to admit I was shocked at some of the stuff I read. I've made the mistake of telling my Dad, the old hippie that there's a part of me that feels sympathy for the devil so to speak and he doesn't like hearing that haha. Of course, there's another part of me that despises Nixon. The three things that stay constant are that I admire him being self-made, intelligent as a whip, and feel sorrow for him losing two brothers to TB.

There was a lot of Cold War stuff going on back then that I don't think is taken seriously today.

220 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:17:19pm

sigh, can't play any longer tonite all.

have a wonderful morning!

221 sagehen  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:19:20pm

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

but for being president, charisma and the ability to connect is more important than intellect. George W. was a more effective president than his father, and much of than is attributable to the fact that he was far more able to connect with the voters.

When Bush the Elder went after Iraq, he got 100 countries to go in with us, it took less than 6 months from starting to position assets until it was all over and everyone coming home, the American KIA's could be counted on your fingers, and it cost us $0 (literally. 0. A dozen countries who didn't send troops contributed enough money that we'd have made a profit if we didn't refund the difference). Also, America's favorability ratings skyrocketed everywhere in the world.

Compare that to Bush the Lesser's Iraq performance, and then tell me who was the more effective.

222 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:20:13pm

re: #217 Jadespring

Next Monday I'm going to do some binge gaming. Should last about three days. Are you covering that? :D

Well, I have included some of the stories about Korean guys being found dead at their computers, still grasping their mice...

It's a fairly short paper. I'm covering the behavioral aspects of how the games are designed, and also trying to cover some of the social and emotional needs they meet. It's a Skinner box, but it's also a social activity. Nick Yee points out that if you look at the statistics, MMORPG players are essentially using the games instead of watching TV. Why do we think it normal for a person to watch an average of 28 hours of television a week, but pathological for a person to play a computer game with friends that involves socializing, problem-solving, and imagination for an average of 22 hours a week?

223 sagehen  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:20:32pm

re: #199 WindUpBird

I hope you are studying Farmville, all the new addict merchants are on facebook ;-) Guys like us who buy games in stores? dying breed

and Angry Birds (iPhone ap).

224 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:21:43pm
225 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:22:08pm

re: #221 sagehen

When Bush the Elder went after Iraq, he got 100 countries to go in with us, it took less than 6 months from starting to position assets until it was all over and everyone coming home, the American KIA's could be counted on your fingers, and it cost us $0 (literally. 0. A dozen countries who didn't send troops contributed enough money that we'd have made a profit if we didn't refund the difference). Also, America's favorability ratings skyrocketed everywhere in the world.

Compare that to Bush the Lesser's Iraq performance, and then tell me who was the more effective.

It all comes down to achievable objectives...Gulf War I had, clear-cut reasonable objectives, while the objectives for OIF and Afghanistan were ever-moving and almost impossible to satisfy.

226 Jadespring  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:27:56pm

re: #222 SanFranciscoZionist

Why do we think it normal for a person to watch an average of 28 hours of television a week, but pathological for a person to play a computer game with friends that involves socializing, problem-solving, and imagination for an average of 22 hours a week?

Hee :) That's the exact argument I used with my Mom one time. This was pre MMORPGS when I mudded and mushed. I would sit there and play for hours while Mom and Dad sat there for the same amount of hours watching tv. Mom would give me flack for wasting my time and worried about becoming too addicted. I said well at least I was doing something and thinking rather just sitting there being spoonfed. :)

I know myself though. I don't play MMORPGS or even want to try MMORPGS because I know they would be a huge time sucker. I can easily sit and play a game for an entire day. Literally. So now I specifically plan when I buy a good game. I treat it like a mini at home holiday.

227 BryanS  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:28:25pm

re: #221 sagehen

When Bush the Elder went after Iraq, he got 100 countries to go in with us, it took less than 6 months from starting to position assets until it was all over and everyone coming home, the American KIA's could be counted on your fingers, and it cost us $0 (literally. 0. A dozen countries who didn't send troops contributed enough money that we'd have made a profit if we didn't refund the difference). Also, America's favorability ratings skyrocketed everywhere in the world.

Compare that to Bush the Lesser's Iraq performance, and then tell me who was the more effective.

Now THAT's what you call a well run military-industrial complex!

228 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 10:38:57pm

re: #221 sagehen

When Bush the Elder went after Iraq, he got 100 countries to go in with us, it took less than 6 months from starting to position assets until it was all over and everyone coming home, the American KIA's could be counted on your fingers, and it cost us $0 (literally. 0. A dozen countries who didn't send troops contributed enough money that we'd have made a profit if we didn't refund the difference). Also, America's favorability ratings skyrocketed everywhere in the world.

Compare that to Bush the Lesser's Iraq performance, and then tell me who was the more effective.

Apples and oranges. George the elder had larger military to work with, and he had a narrower objective.George the younger was attempting to do something more ambitious with a lesser force (that part was a mistake). And he could not have gotten the same level of support no matter what, given the even greater reduction in the armies of other nations and the growth of anti-Americanism in those nations as well.

Moreover, the same persona that allowed George W. Bush to connect better with the American people also made him less liked by foreigners (by whom he was charactichered as a cowboy). I think the trade-off was worth it, but it was a trade-off.

Goodnight, all.

229 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 8, 2011 11:11:21pm

Night, D_F.

230 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 12:23:04am

re: #21 SpaceJesus

what the hell is cardinal sin?

Well first you grab a Louisville Slugger...

231 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 12:56:59am

re: #222 SanFranciscoZionist


because older people watch TV and don't play MMOs :) The former is normalized for multiple generations, the later is not

232 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 2:38:28am

re: #105 lostlakehiker

He's a dishonest jackass. His position is rather besides the point.

233 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 2:47:22am

re: #224 SanFranciscoZionist

Posted because I think the title is hilarious:

Arkansas GOPer: It Was 'Inadvertent' That I Called My Political Rival A 'Pro-Abortion Jewish Lawyer'

Awesome. Open anti-semitism as part of a GOP campaign. Nice.

And then he lies about it like a jackass.

He says:

"The election is between Bruce Cozart (R)," Chatham wrote, "a pro-life, Christian who has served a number of years on the Lake Hamilton school board and Jerry Rephan (D). Jerry is a pro-abortion Jewish lawyer who specializes in 'environmental law' which means his primary clients as such were the Sierra Club and PETA, among others."

"This is a very important race to anyone who values Christian principles," he continued.

and then, lying like a rat, said:


"It has nothing to do with his faith," he said, but "the issue is the fact is that he is a liberal individual."


What a craven piece of crap. I swear, I hate the sneaky antisemites even more than the totally open ones.

234 researchok  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 3:11:30am

Morning, all.

235 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 3:22:41am

re: #234 researchok

I think the night crew took the evening off.

236 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 3:23:01am

re: #235 RogueOne

I think the night crew took the evening off.

still right here

237 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 3:26:12am

While reading this story:
Dad: I'll kill my son's murderer if he's released

I noticed this story on the sidebar:
Hacker group vows 'cyberwar' on US government, business



Actions to retaliate for treatment of WikiLeaks, Manning, spokesman for Anonymous says

Guess who's the spokesman they interview.....

238 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 3:36:30am

re: #237 RogueOne

I'm glad they're admitting that it's run by a couple dozen people, and not still claiming that it's some sort of spontaneous mass mind-meld, at any rate.

239 researchok  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 3:36:41am

re: #236 WindUpBird

still right here

Where's FT?

I need my AM music!

240 researchok  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 3:37:34am

re: #237 RogueOne

While reading this story:
Dad: I'll kill my son's murderer if he's released
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

I noticed this story on the sidebar:
Hacker group vows 'cyberwar' on US government, business
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Guess who's the spokesman they interview...

Barret Brown- what a POS.

241 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 3:41:02am

re: #238 Obdicut

I'm glad they're admitting that it's run by a couple dozen people, and not still claiming that it's some sort of spontaneous mass mind-meld, at any rate.

The whole episode is just asking for trouble. Putting yourself in front of a group where the majority of members don't want someone out front? Asking for it. Putting yourself in front of a group that is currently violating a dozen or so US federal laws? Asking for it.

242 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 4:11:08am

re: #240 researchok

Barret Brown- what a POS.

I'm sure BB will be there when the FBI pulls more of these guys out of their Mom's basements.

243 shropshire_slasher  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 4:16:16am

Organized Religion is just another way to shake you down for money.

244 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 4:18:17am

re: #238 Obdicut

I'm glad they're admitting that it's run by a couple dozen people, and not still claiming that it's some sort of spontaneous mass mind-meld, at any rate.

Methinks they don't realize the hammer that's about to be dropped on them.

245 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 4:24:51am

re: #242 rwdflynavy

I'm very supportive of their stance and their efforts in Egypt and Tunisia but attacking corporate/personal websites that you have disagreements with is both illegal and not the way to win friends and influence people. It can only end badly.

246 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 4:30:27am

Speaking of Egypt...This is a few days old but I hadn't heard these allegations:

Egypt unsure what to do about trove of security documents
[Link: www.miamiherald.com...]


Perhaps the most controversial document to surface was one that purports to lay out State Security's involvement in a church bombing on New Year's Day in Alexandria. The bombing killed 21 people and wounded 80, the worst violence against Egypt's Coptic Christian minority in more than a decade.

The legitimacy of the document hasn't been determined, but its distribution touched off protests Sunday in Cairo by hundreds of Coptic Christians.

Copts, especially those in Alexandria, had suspected state involvement in the bombing, noting that a stepped-up security force that was supposed to have protected the church had vanished before the bomb exploded.

According to the document, one of eight said to discuss attacks on churches, State Security used a jailed Islamist to help organize the plot, including details on the church's entrances and exits. The document was dated Dec. 2, 2010, and was addressed to the interior minister. It referred to the church bombing as "Mission No. 77."

Now I'm extra-curious about the attack on the coptic village last week.

247 garhighway  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 4:34:40am

re: #21 SpaceJesus

what the hell is cardinal sin?

Not signing Pujols.

248 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 4:58:15am

These guys must be sick. Knowing they'd be watched, doing it anyway?

They'd fit right in the the guards at the Wilkinson Home for Boys.

Suspend them, find out if they are guilty; if they are found guilty excommunicate them and send them to prison forever.

249 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 5:01:42am

re: #248 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't think the Catholic church excommunicates people for pedophilia. I've never heard of it being done, anyway.

250 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 5:17:51am

Hey FBV?
How's the guy who broke his neck?

251 AK-47%  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 5:18:52am

I just read that the Catholic Church in Germany reached a settlement with victims of sexual abuse at the hands of priests: the victims received a lump-sum compensation of €5,000 (around $6,000 at today's exchange rate).

Although many of these cases date back ages, and the facts are unclear, it would be interesting to figure out how much the church was paying per trick to provide services for its members.

i.e., the going rate of 50 euros a pop, a priest could've buggered a kid 100 times...

It's a bit of a sick thought, but it is the sort of thing the church needs to do to put this sort of activity into perspective.

252 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 5:32:32am

re: #250 Varek Raith

Strange thing. When I look at the miniature version of your avatar, I see Bart Simpson.

:)

253 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 5:35:59am

re: #252 Sergey Romanov

Strange thing. When I look at the miniature version of your avatar, I see Bart Simpson.

:)

Oh geez.

254 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 5:55:49am

Nifty electoral map site:
[Link: www.270towin.com...]

My map worked out to a 272 to 266.

255 njdhockeyfan  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 5:59:11am

Good morning lizards!

256 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:03:02am

Illinois ditches the death penalty:

Quinn expected to sign death penalty ban
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]


SPRINGFIELD
— Gov. Pat Quinn is expected to sign historic legislation abolishing the death penalty in Illinois on Wednesday, according to the House sponsor and sources familiar with the governor's plans.

The Democratic governor on Tuesday quietly invited death penalty opponents to a private bill-signing ceremony scheduled for late Wednesday morning in his Springfield office. Quinn's office confirmed that the governor has an event at the Capitol on Wednesday to announce his decision on the death penalty measure.

"They point-blank told me they were signing the bill (Wednesday)," sponsoring Rep. Karen Yarbrough told the Tribune.

257 njdhockeyfan  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:03:58am

Fatah youth center names event after suicide bomber

A Fatah-affiliated youth center in the Ama’ari refugee camp south of Ramallah has named a sports event after female suicide bomber Wafa Idris.

In announcing the event, the youth center used the acronym for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, but not its logo.

According to UNRWA, the organization has no connection to the youth center or the tournament.

Idris was the first Palestinian woman to carry out a suicide bombing. In the attack outside a shoe store on the capital’s Jaffa Road on January 27, 2002, an 81- year-old man was killed and 150 people were wounded.

Idris’s attack was later endorsed by Fatah’s armed wing, the Aksa Martyrs Brigades.

This is not the first time that a youth center has named a tournament after a “martyr.”

The information about the tournament was first publicized by Palestinian Media Watch. It said that an UNRWA youth center had named the soccer tournament after Idris.

UNRWA immediately denied the allegation.

258 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:04:48am

re: #256 RogueOne

Step by step.

259 Sionainn  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:09:31am

re: #256 RogueOne

Illinois ditches the death penalty:

Quinn expected to sign death penalty ban
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

Our execution chamberviolates ADA.

260 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:10:47am

Illinois also gets its financial house in order:

Pension whittled for high-paid Bellwood administrator
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]


A suburban official who claimed 10 job titles at once has seen his retirement checks whittled by pension officials — though the 56-year-old is still getting about $230,000 a year.

The Tribune revealed in June that Bellwood had paid its comptroller, Roy McCampbell, $472,255 in 2009, helping him earn a quarter-of-a-million-dollar pension in retirement. The Illinois Municipal Retirement Fund reviewed the pension and last fall knocked about $23,000 from it, the Tribune learned this week.

Problem solved.

261 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:11:57am

re: #259 Sionainn

That's just incredibly sad. Funny, but sad. Do we really need to be concerned about wheel chair ramps for people about to get a needle stuck in their arm?

262 McSpiff  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:13:03am

re: #261 RogueOne

That's just incredibly sad. Funny, but sad. Do we really need to be concerned about wheel chair ramps for people about to get a needle stuck in their arm?

Its for the Public Gallery. Not the convict...

263 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:14:13am

re: #262 McSpiff

Sounded to me like it's both:


Gus Nunez, manager of the state Public Works Board, Tuesday listed numerous violations at the prison including the death chamber which is not ADA accessible.

He told the state Prison Board that an elevator would have to be installed on the outside to carry the public up to see the execution and there were code violations. And the stairs and hand rails leading up to the execution chamber violated the ADA code.

264 njdhockeyfan  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:14:49am

re: #260 RogueOne

Illinois also gets its financial house in order:

Pension whittled for high-paid Bellwood administrator
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

Problem solved.

They knocked $23,000 off his retirement check and he's whining about it? He needs to add a few more job titles to make up for the loss of money. I just can't understand how anyone can live on a puny $230,000/yr.

265 Sionainn  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:14:54am

re: #261 RogueOne

That's just incredibly sad. Funny, but sad. Do we really need to be concerned about wheel chair ramps for people about to get a needle stuck in their arm?

I was a bit amused/sickened by it. It seems that it's more about the witnesses being able to make it to the viewing section of the chamber...but, yeah, pretty silly. I wouldn't mind if we just banned the death penalty here because that would certainly cut down on a lot of legal expenses for all the appeals that we pay for. I'd rather that money go towards education which is going to be taking a massive hit this year...not sure how we are ever going to be able to recover from it.

266 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:17:36am

re: #265 Sionainn

I'm stuck in the middle on the DP issue. On the one hand I don't trust elected officials to do the right thing instead of the politically popular/expedient. OTOH, there are people who commit horrific crimes that don't deserve to continue breathing. If the voters in IL want to dump it I think that's their right.

267 Gus  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:22:53am

Anybody home? Fire in the hole! Anywho, woke up feeling like crap, again. I'm still on the waiting list to see a doctor. Might be another 2 months. That reminds me of how the wingers were always hyping up the waiting time for getting treatment in Canada or the UK. God bless Murica! Glad we're spending our money wisely.

In other new. Phil Collins retires for health reasons while people in England are healthier than those in USAUSAUSAUSA.

And the bassist for Alice in Chains was found dead somewhere in SLC.

268 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:25:56am

re: #267 Gus 802

Gus, if you don't mind me asking, what's your health problem?

269 shropshire_slasher  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:26:59am

re: #267 Gus 802

My wife woke me up out of a dead sleep to tell me about AIC bassist. Very sad. We always watched Dr Drew's rehab show and thought he was gonna make it. Saw AIC 1990 at the Monsters of Rock with Anthrax and Slayer. My daughter has the t-shirt. (It shrunk in the wash!)

270 Gus  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:27:14am

re: #268 Sergey Romanov

Gus, if you don't mind me asking, what's your health problem?

Hernia, abdominal distention, neck pain, some lump that's getting bigger, frequent urination, etc. Any questions? ;)

271 njdhockeyfan  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:28:25am

Anti-Semite, race baiting bigot, America-hater, and all around douchebag Farrakhan is speaking in Pittsburgh on Friday:

Rev. Louis Farrakhan Coming To Pittsburgh

PITTSBURGH -- The Rev. Louis Farrakhan, leader of the Nation of Islam, is coming to Pittsburgh.

Farrakhan will speak at a town hall meeting with radio talk-show host Bev Smith at the downtown August Wilson Center on Friday night.

"The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan, along with Congressman James Clyburn tells us all where and how to begin to rebuild the black community in this town hall-style discussion," according to the center's website.

I doubt James Clyburn is hoping to garner more votes by hanging out with this disgusting sack of manure. What does the think he will gain from this?

272 Gus  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:28:28am

re: #240 researchok

Barret Brown- what a POS.

Why do you hate pieces of shit?

//

273 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:31:44am

re: #270 Gus 802

Hernia, abdominal distention, neck pain, some lump that's getting bigger, frequent urination, etc. Any questions? ;)

{Gus}, get well :)

274 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:31:52am

re: #269 shropshire_slasher

I saw the '88 version in Indy.

275 njdhockeyfan  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:33:07am

re: #272 Gus 802

Why do you hate pieces of shit?

//

Why is the media quoting him as if he's relevant or something?

276 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:33:17am

re: #270 Gus 802

Hernia, abdominal distention, neck pain, some lump that's getting bigger, frequent urination, etc. Any questions? ;)

How about a quick stool sample.

277 iossarian  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:33:48am

re: #267 Gus 802


In other new. Phil Collins retires for health reasons...

Just want to point out that Collins says he's retiring to spend more time with his kids, and not for health reasons (he alludes to recent articles that have portrayed him, more or less, as a suicidal nutcase - I read one of these in Rolling Stone and am relieved to hear that it was something of an exaggeration [turns off Patrick Bateman voice]).

...while people in England are healthier than those in USAUSAUSAUSA.

Must be time to cherry pick survival rates for hyper-rare forms of cancer then.

278 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:35:06am

re: #267 Gus 802

Anybody home? Fire in the hole! Anywho, woke up feeling like crap, again. I'm still on the waiting list to see a doctor. Might be another 2 months. That reminds me of how the wingers were always hyping up the waiting time for getting treatment in Canada or the UK. God bless Murica! Glad we're spending our money wisely.

In other new. Phil Collins retires for health reasons while people in England are healthier than those in USAUSAUSAUSA.

And the bassist for Alice in Chains was found dead somewhere in SLC.

I was pondering making a page of that bbc news line about healthier Englanders. Life here is totally different - your population is much more sedentary even by modern standards. Example - i can waolk to my nearest shops and get fresh on the day bread, fresh meats and veg. I stayed in texas suburbs last year and there was no fresh fruit/bread or meat within walking distance, more particularly getting in a car and crossing atleast one freeway.
Also - primarily though - the fixtation on aftercare in the US is a huge problem, in Europe we have altered our resources massively into health continuation/prevention work. Stopping people getting sick is a helluva lot cheaper than treating sick people.

279 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:35:48am

re: #271 njdhockeyfan

Anti-Semite, race baiting bigot, America-hater, and all around douchebag Farrakhan is speaking in Pittsburgh on Friday:

Rev. Louis Farrakhan Coming To Pittsburgh

I doubt James Clyburn is hoping to garner more votes by hanging out with this disgusting sack of manure. What does the think he will gain from this?

They should invite David Duke for the full measure.

And Clyburn's "free speech" excuse is beyond pathetic.

280 shropshire_slasher  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:35:59am

Oh, and Gus I hope you feel better, maybe you need a high colonic?

281 Gus  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:36:14am

BRB

282 laZardo  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:38:06am

Ah, there's religion for you.

/also good evening

283 njdhockeyfan  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:40:04am

This isn't going to go over well among the other tyrants, dictators and anti-Semitic friends he has...

'Qaddafi is Jewish and I'm His Cousin'

There have been rumors in the past about Libyan leader Moammar Qaddafi's Jewish roots, and now it seems to be confirmed. Israel National News TV met with Gita Boaron, who claims that the Libyan dictator is indeed Jewish and that she is a distant cousin.

"Qaddafi’s grandmother is my grandmother’s sister," explained Boaron. "His grandmother is my father’s grandmother. She was Jewish, became Muslim and married the town sheikh. She had children and he’s her grandson so he’s considered Jewish because his mother was born to a Jewish mother. So it means he’s Jewish.”

Boaron, who heard the story about Qaddafi's Jewish roots from her mother as she was growing up, said that her family has never even considered getting closer to Qaddafi, since "There’s no place like Israel," as she put it.

She noted that it is only recently that Qaddafi has really become anti-Jewish.

"He always loved the Jews and didn’t do anything bad to them," she said. "The moment he started to speak against the Jews, I said: ‘Just wait. He’ll get what’s coming to him.’ Two weeks later the protests started there.”

284 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:40:56am

When I read last week that she had taken off to the US for "personal reasons" I knew she wasn't ever planning on going back and who can blame her?

Mexico police chief Marisol Valles seeks US asylum
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]


Mexico's youngest police chief, Marisol Valles Garcia, has fled to the US after apparently receiving death threats, US immigration officials have confirmed.

She attracted worldwide attention last year when she became police chief of a border town plagued by drug violence after no-one else dared take the job.

She is now seeking asylum in the US after fleeing across the border into Texas.

Ms Valles was sacked from her post on Monday for being absent without leave.

The criminology student was hailed as Mexico's bravest woman in October when she became head of public security in the border town of Praxedis G Guerrero at the age of 20.

She's cute and ballsy. I say we keep her.

285 laZardo  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:41:17am

re: #283 njdhockeyfan

"Yes, He Does Get Weirder!"

/should be his slogan or something

286 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:41:41am

re: #283 njdhockeyfan

It's still nothing but rumor - no documents.

287 laZardo  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:41:57am

re: #284 RogueOne

When I read last week that she had taken off to the US for "personal reasons" I knew she wasn't ever planning on going back and who can blame her?

Mexico police chief Marisol Valles seeks US asylum
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

She's cute and ballsy. I say we keep her.

...she's a guy?!

/ q:

288 iossarian  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:44:15am

re: #278 wozzablog

I was pondering making a page of that bbc news line about healthier Englanders. Life here is totally different - your population is much more sedentary even by modern standards. Example - i can waolk to my nearest shops and get fresh on the day bread, fresh meats and veg. I stayed in texas suburbs last year and there was no fresh fruit/bread or meat within walking distance, more particularly getting in a car and crossing atleast one freeway.
Also - primarily though - the fixtation on aftercare in the US is a huge problem, in Europe we have altered our resources massively into health continuation/prevention work. Stopping people getting sick is a helluva lot cheaper than treating sick people.

I think the sedentary issue is huge. Many (most?) people in the UK live in places where many trips are easier to take via a combination of walking/cycling/public transport than by car. In the US, I would guess that's only really true in NYC, Chicago and the Bay Area (possibly other East Coast and Pacific NW cities).

I also think there's a massive culinary difference stemming in no small part from post-war food rationing in the UK. Food in the US is far sweeter than in the UK - there is sugar in pretty much everything (even most bread recipes).

One of my favorite stories from one of my older UK contacts concerns why she doesn't take sugar in her tea: she remembers the time when the sugar ration went up enough that, if the family stopped sugaring their tea, they would have enough to make one cake per week.

289 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:44:26am

Alice in Chains lost another member.
God dammit.

290 Gus  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:45:45am

re: #280 shropshire_slasher

Oh, and Gus I hope you feel better, maybe you need a high colonic?

Probably need more than that. Coffee's kicking now though.

291 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:46:12am

re: #289 Varek Raith

Alice in Chains lost another member.
God dammit.

Doesn't look like his sobriety trend lasted long enough.

292 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:47:36am

re: #290 Gus 802

Probably need more than that. Coffee's kicking now though.

Kill 2 birds with 1 stone:

Are Coffee Colonics The Real Thing?
[Link: www.ultimate-coffees-info.com...]

293 darthstar  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:47:55am

re: #284 RogueOne

When I read last week that she had taken off to the US for "personal reasons" I knew she wasn't ever planning on going back and who can blame her?

Mexico police chief Marisol Valles seeks US asylum
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

She's cute and ballsy. I say we keep her.

She is cute. If she's given asylum, she could get a good gig as the face of the battle against the drug cartels.

294 shropshire_slasher  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:48:01am

re: #291 RogueOne

I quit smoking and dipping but the hardest thing I ever did was quit drinking (today) I thank God for my sobriety every day.

295 darthstar  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:49:05am

re: #292 RogueOne

Kill 2 birds with 1 stone:

Are Coffee Colonics The Real Thing?
[Link: www.ultimate-coffees-info.com...]

Do you want one lump or two in your colonic?

296 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:49:11am

re: #293 darthstar

She'll find some way to cash in and there's nothing wrong with that.

297 laZardo  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:49:55am

re: #293 darthstar

They ran her out. Far as they're concerned, she's not a problem anymore.

298 iossarian  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:50:13am

re: #278 wozzablog

BTW - terrible result for the Arsenal last night. Sounds like the Van Persie red card decision was a shocker. I really thought they'd pull out the result at 1-1.

I hate the fact that it'll give another excuse for a certain kind of sports journalist to blow his load over Barcelona. They're probably sharpening their jogo bonitos already.

299 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:50:39am

re: #288 iossarian

I think the sedentary issue is huge. Many (most?) people in the UK live in places where many trips are easier to take via a combination of walking/cycling/public transport than by car. In the US, I would guess that's only really true in NYC, Chicago and the Bay Area (possibly other East Coast and Pacific NW cities).

I also think there's a massive culinary difference stemming in no small part from post-war food rationing in the UK. Food in the US is far sweeter than in the UK - there is sugar in pretty much everything (even most bread recipes).

One of my favorite stories from one of my older UK contacts concerns why she doesn't take sugar in her tea: she remembers the time when the sugar ration went up enough that, if the family stopped sugaring their tea, they would have enough to make one cake per week.

I was in some suburbs of Denver at around the same time and there was a very good bus network and a fair variety of shops within reasonable distances.

Our more remote areas do suffer here - but pretty much anyone living within a city or towns confines can get around on public transport - with all the walking that goes with that adding to their excersise. As opposed to getting in a car and then out again.
Food portion size too - the differences are astronomical between here and the US, and fat contents and salt cntents.

300 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:50:57am

re: #294 shropshire_slasher

I quit smoking and dipping but the hardest thing I ever did was quit drinking (today) I thank God for my sobriety every day.

?. "I quit smoking weed...an hour ago. Worst hour of my life"

301 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:51:17am

re: #298 iossarian

BTW - terrible result for the Arsenal last night. Sounds like the Van Persie red card decision was a shocker. I really thought they'd pull out the result at 1-1.

I hate the fact that it'll give another excuse for a certain kind of sports journalist to blow his load over Barcelona. They're probably sharpening their jogo bonitos already.

:-(

i'd rather not talk about it *sob*

302 darthstar  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:52:58am

re: #294 shropshire_slasher

I quit smoking and dipping but the hardest thing I ever did was quit drinking (today) I thank God for my sobriety every day.

I started dipping (Copenhagen) when I was 10 as I grew up in ranch country in Northern California. It was 40 cents a can (1974). I first "quit" when I was 27 and dating my first wife. I "took it up" for a weekend at a music festival in 2003 and it was three years before I was able to quit again. During a stressful time at work a year ago, I started dipping again. Just quit three weeks ago - during a major software release I was leading the QA effort on. I think this time I'm done for good, but it really is tough stuff to give up, as you can take a dip any time you want...even in meetings with CEOs.

Congrats on your sobriety. Good luck with it.

303 darthstar  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:53:50am

re: #300 RogueOne

?. "I quit smoking weed...an hour ago. Worst hour of my life"

That's just called "running out".

304 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:54:59am

re: #291 RogueOne

Doesn't look like his sobriety trend lasted long enough.

I might have been on the Charlie Sheen Sobriety diet.

305 darthstar  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:56:46am

re: #297 laZardo

They ran her out. Far as they're concerned, she's not a problem anymore.

If she calls attention (and as a result Government action), then she is still a problem in the cartels' eyes.

306 brennant  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:00:08am

Just woke up... to read NPR President Vivian Schiller resigned.

307 shropshire_slasher  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:00:30am

I hope all of you have a great day. I gotta go bleed for the doctor. Fascinating thing, I have hemachromatosis (excess Iron in the blood, I could crap railroad ties!), supposedly a side affect of my genes surviving the plague.[Link: www.bloomberg.com...] Win some you lose some.

308 laZardo  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:00:38am

re: #305 darthstar

I'd take any government action promise with a grain of salt. It's more of a publicity stunt without substance if anything. Now if she'd gone out with guns blazing...

309 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:01:30am

re: #307 shropshire_slasher

I hope all of you have a great day. I gotta go bleed for the doctor. Fascinating thing, I have hemachromatosis (excess Iron in the blood, I could crap railroad ties!), supposedly a side affect of my genes surviving the plague.[Link: www.bloomberg.com...] Win some you lose some.

Good luck...Iron Man!
/Couldn't resist.
:)

310 darthstar  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:01:33am

re: #306 brennant

Just woke up... to read NPR President Vivian Schiller resigned.

He got O'Keefed. Apparently on tape calling the teabaggers racists.

311 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:02:25am

re: #310 darthstar

He got O'Keefed. Apparently on tape calling the teabaggers racists.

Pamela Geller got O'Keefed as well.
XD

312 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:03:13am

re: #310 darthstar

He got O'Keefed. Apparently on tape calling the teabaggers racists.

Imagine that, an honest media executive.

The mind boggles.

313 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:04:01am

re: #312 wozzablog

Imagine that, an honest media executive.

The mind boggles.

ZOMGALEFTYTOOKRESPONSIBILTYFORFUCKINGUP!!!!

314 brennant  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:04:06am

re: #312 wozzablog

Imagine that, an honest media executive.

The mind boggles.

I am concerned NPR might have a tough future.

315 laZardo  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:04:16am

re: #310 darthstar

He got O'Keefed. Apparently on tape calling the teabaggers racists.

If I were in that office and said something like that on tape, I wouldn't back down so easily.

316 brennant  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:05:37am

re: #310 darthstar

He got O'Keefed. Apparently on tape calling the teabaggers racists.

Not that Schiller. The President and CEO -- no relation.

317 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:06:53am

Heads up.
Space shuttle Discovery will attempt to land at 11:57 am ET this morning.

318 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:07:18am

re: #306 brennant

Just woke up... to read NPR President Vivian Schiller resigned.

She's discovered she's been working with a bunch of wingnuts.

NPR CEO: ‘We Get a Tremendous Amount of Criticism for Being Too Conservative'

319 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:07:25am

re: #312 wozzablog

Imagine that, an honest media executive.

The mind boggles.

I believe this was her 3rd strike in the last few months. The o'keefe video was just the topper.

320 darthstar  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:07:27am

re: #308 laZardo

I'd take any government action promise with a grain of salt. It's more of a publicity stunt without substance if anything. Now if she'd gone out with guns blazing...

I like the writing style of that piece...does the guy honor. :)

321 darthstar  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:08:20am

re: #311 Varek Raith

Pamela Geller got O'Keefed as well.
XD

I could see O'Keefe having sex with Geller. That whole mother-son thing is right up his alley.

322 Gus  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:08:28am

re: #316 brennant

Not that Schiller. The President and CEO -- no relation.

Oh yeah. I'm looking at this now...

NPR chief executive quits over hidden camera video

WASHINGTON (AP) — NPR president and CEO Vivian Schiller resigned Wednesday in the wake of comments by a fellow executive that angered conservatives and renewed calls to end federal funding for public broadcasting.

The chairman of NPR's board of directors announced that he has accepted Schiller's resignation, effective immediately.

NPR media correspondent David Folkenflik said in a tweet that Schiller was forced out by the board...

323 Gus  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:08:50am

We've gone from putting a man on the moon to...

Oh, nevermind.

324 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:10:42am

Two Schillers with one video. ///

325 Gus  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:11:19am

re: #324 Sergey Romanov

Two Schillers with one video. ///

Any connection?

326 iossarian  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:11:53am

While it's irritating that non-conservative media outlets are held to a grotesque double standard in terms of accountability, once again I am forced to accept that this yet another instance of liberals having to take the grown-up approach to life, even though it causes short-term tactical disadvantage.

Let the right-wingers crow. In a hundred years' time, our great-grandchildren will be shaking their heads and wondering: "how could they have been so wrong?"

327 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:12:26am

re: #325 Gus 802

Any connection?

The two Schillers are not related.

328 darthstar  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:12:45am

Wow...big fish kill in Redondo Beach. Millions of sardines, mackerel, and anchovies. Looks like they just got driven in by a storm and choked themselves out in the harbor due to a lack of oxygen.

329 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:12:53am

From AP:

On Tuesday, conservative activist James O'Keefe posted a hidden-camera video in which NPR executive Tom Schiller

Guys@AP, you could at least get the name right.

330 Gus  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:13:15am

For some reason I suddenly thought of this song...

Talking Heads - "Once In A Lifetime"

331 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:13:21am

re: #329 Sergey Romanov

From AP:

Guys@AP, you could at least get the name right.

That would be teh hard!

332 Gus  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:13:37am

Another day in America.

333 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:14:07am

re: #332 Gus 802

Another day in America.

Were the rich get richer and the rich get richer.

334 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:14:36am

re: #331 Varek Raith

That would be teh hard!

But do you like money? Yes? I can't believe you also like money! /

335 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:15:05am

re: #325 Gus 802

Any connection?

Not really, Ron Schiller left before the brouhaha for unrelated reasons.

336 Gus  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:15:32am

re: #333 Varek Raith

Were the rich get richer and the rich get richer.

Amen. For without them we would not have great human advancements like Hot Pockets, and jobs!

337 Gus  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:16:16am

Rome

338 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:16:47am

Pirates target the Maersk Alabama again

(CNN) -- Pirates targeted the Maersk Alabama, the ship seized in a dramatic operation in the Indian Ocean waters two years ago.

Four suspected pirates approached the ship in a skiff and a hook ladder, the Maersk said in a statement Tuesday.

"The captain followed the appropriate protocol and authorized an embarked security team to fire warning shots in order for the pirates to turn away," the statement said.

Shortly after, the boat took off and the ship was headed to the Kenyan coastal town of Mombasa.


That's like robbing the same bank twice. Idiots.

339 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:18:03am

re: #338 Varek Raith

Groundhog Day.

340 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:18:55am

re: #338 Varek Raith

That must already feel like a sweet home for them.

341 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:19:09am

re: #336 Gus 802

Amen. For without them we would not have great human advancements like Hot Pockets, and jobs!

"Warning: You just bought hot pockets. I hope your drunk or headed home to a trailer"

342 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:19:19am

re: #339 lawhawk

Groundhog Day.

Arrr, thay be givin real pirates a bad name!

343 Gus  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:19:20am

re: #340 Sergey Romanov

That must already feel like a sweet home for them.

Sweet home Alabama?

//

344 Gus  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:20:07am

re: #343 Gus 802

Sweet home Alabama?

//

345 laZardo  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:21:01am

re: #323 Gus 802

We've gone from putting a man on the moon to...

Oh, nevermind.

Science flew people to the moon.
Religion flew people into buildings.

346 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:21:02am

re: #336 Gus 802

Jim Gaffigan is a good hoosier.

347 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:23:19am

re: #302 darthstar

I started dipping (Copenhagen) when I was 10 as I grew up in ranch country in Northern California. It was 40 cents a can (1974). I first "quit" when I was 27 and dating my first wife. I "took it up" for a weekend at a music festival in 2003 and it was three years before I was able to quit again. During a stressful time at work a year ago, I started dipping again. Just quit three weeks ago - during a major software release I was leading the QA effort on. I think this time I'm done for good, but it really is tough stuff to give up, as you can take a dip any time you want...even in meetings with CEOs.

Congrats on your sobriety. Good luck with it.

My mother hated "dippers" with a vengeance. She worked as an assistant librarian at a college library in the mid-80s. No smoking, food, or drinking in the library (of course). Since the dippers couldn't openly spit, they'd wander into the stacks, open a book, and spit into the book.

Just the sort of thing that would get one angry at a community for the ignorant, inconsiderate, and obnoxious behavior of a few.

I caught one doing that while working in a library in college myself in about the same time. Threw the guy out (which took a call to security before he took me seriously.)

348 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:32:31am

The chocolate crisis.

Start hoarding!

349 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:36:15am

re: #348 Alouette

The Ivory Coast is a mess, and looks like it's sliding into a civil war. France accused the despot Gbagbo of plundering the country's resources, including its coffee and cocoa reserves.

350 laZardo  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:37:35am

re: #348 Alouette

re: #349 lawhawk

It's a conspiracy not by countries but by Hershey's, Cadbury and the confectionary corporate consortium to exploit the cocoa resources of developing countries for their own profit.

/fuck i need sleep

351 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:38:30am

re: #349 lawhawk

The Ivory Coast is a mess, and looks like it's sliding into a civil war. France accused the despot Gbagbo of plundering the country's resources, including its coffee and cocoa reserves.

So the rebels are going to break in finding him lying on the couch, weighing 500 lbs, and having bags of cocoa lying about open and fresh powder smeared around his mouth?
/

352 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:38:46am

I really feel sorry for the father and can understand why he said what he said...

Could dad's threat to killer get dad in trouble?

(CBS News) An outraged father is lashing out at the man who brutally murdered his son back in 1975.

Michael Woodmansee could walk out of prison 12 years early, and that has John Foreman threatening to track him down and kill him.

CBS News correspondent Michelle Miller reported a Rhode Island law that allows inmates to reduce their sentence for good behavior may enable convicted murderer Woodmansee to walk out of prison a free man in August. If that happens, the victim's father says he'll kill the man himself.

More than three decades after 5-year-old Jason Foreman was brutally murdered, Woodmansee -- convicted of dismembering the boy -- may be released early. Enraged by the news, the boy's father called in to a radio show on Monday to publicly threaten his son's killer.

Foreman said, "I do intend, if this man is released anywhere in my vicinity, or if I can find him after the fact, I do intend to kill this man."

353 Gus  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:41:41am

Until later.

354 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:41:55am

re: #352 NJDhockeyfan

I really feel sorry for the father and can understand why he said what he said...

Could dad's threat to killer get dad in trouble?

Why is this monster being released? He should have been executed.

355 darthstar  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:42:48am

re: #347 oaktree

My mother hated "dippers" with a vengeance. She worked as an assistant librarian at a college library in the mid-80s. No smoking, food, or drinking in the library (of course). Since the dippers couldn't openly spit, they'd wander into the stacks, open a book, and spit into the book.

Just the sort of thing that would get one angry at a community for the ignorant, inconsiderate, and obnoxious behavior of a few.

I caught one doing that while working in a library in college myself in about the same time. Threw the guy out (which took a call to security before he took me seriously.)

If you have to spit, you shouldn't dip.

356 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:43:27am

IANAPsychiatrist but after yesterdays rant I'm fairly convinced that Charlie Sheen has lost his mind. Time for the Charlie Sheen Blocker:

The Charlie Sheen Browser Blocker: "Tinted Sheen"
[Link: www.boingboing.net...]

Thank you, Greg Leuch and fffff.at, for providing us all with a tool for blocking Charlie Sheen from the Internet: Tinted Sheen.

"Download the plugin for Firefox or Chrome, and never again worry about seeing his name or face."

Now that's what I call #Winning!

357 laZardo  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:44:54am

re: #355 darthstar

If you have to spit, you shouldn't dip.

I know I just read all the way back up, but that sounded so kinky.

358 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:45:29am

re: #354 Alouette

Why is this monster being released? He should have been executed.

He had the little kids bones shellacked and hidden in his room. He tried to kill the paperboy. No way he should ever see the light of day without bars in his way again.

359 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:46:12am

New York TV executive Muzzammil "Mo" Hassan sentenced to 25 years to life in his wife's beheading.

360 iossarian  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:47:40am

re: #354 Alouette

Why is this monster being released? He should have been executed.

There's more to this than meets the eye. In particular, the murderer was 16 at the time of the crime (which was 35 years ago, making him 50 now).

I think this is a case without an easy answer.

361 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:50:00am

re: #356 RogueOne

Sheen might actually agree that he's losing his mind. Guy is having a meltdown of epic proportions and everyone in the entertainment industry is lapping this crap up. It isn't going to end well, and he might as well harm himself or those around him at this rate.

I feel sorry for his kids who are going to have to deal with the fallout for the rest of their lives.

362 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:58:13am
363 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:59:14am

Barret Brown joins forces with Crazy Pam....

But now even Barrett Brown has realized that the lizard master is completely dishonest and unprincipled. Barrett wrote me this:

Do you remember the glowing Vanity Fair profile on Charles? I wrote that. You linked to it at the time. Came out right before NYT piece did. I thought he was an intellectually honest person because he changed his mind in public; turns out he's the exact opposite. His cohorts openly discussed calling the FBI on me several months ago. Seriously. Kilgore Trout, his moderator, alleged that I am working with the Russian mafia. My family was fucked up by the FBI with no conviction when I was a kid and I take that shit seriously, which is why I ordered the site to be attacked yesterday as a way of forcing a response. See Diary of Daedalus, Barrett Brown explains yadadada.

Both these guys are nuts. It seems that justice has finally been served in the strange and peculiar world of leftist dandies boxing without gloves.

He's really scraping the bottom of the barrel seeking attention.

364 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:03:59am

re: #363 Killgore Trout

His cohorts openly discussed calling the FBI on me several months ago. Seriously. Kilgore Trout, his moderator, alleged that I am working with the Russian mafia.

I don't remember any of that. Is that reality or just his view of it?

365 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:04:46am

re: #363 Killgore Trout

"I'm mad that you said I was engaged in illegal activities, so I'm going to order this illegal activity".

That's some fine logic there.

366 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:05:20am

How's the morning going all?

367 kirkspencer  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:08:04am

re: #341 RogueOne

"Warning: You just bought hot pockets. I hope your drunk or headed home to a trailer"

[Video]

Shrug. pasties, beirocks, pierogies (pirogies), baus, pepperoni rolls, and the list goes on and on. Filling in a bread/pastry casing. Sometimes tough enough to carry a while (into a mine or the farm field) before eating, other times delicate for the upper crust to snack upon between meals.

368 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:08:11am

Barrett Brown, grow the fuck up and move on with your life.

369 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:10:31am

re: #364 RogueOne

I don't remember any of that. Is that reality or just his view of it?

No. I suspected about possible anti-american interests assisting wikileaks (various hostile governments or criminal organizations). I'm also pretty sure that since he promotes himself as a strategist and spokesman for Anon that the Feds are almost surely monitoring his communications. He probably has some contact with the group's leaders I'm starting to suspect he's exaggerating his role to get attention. I've seen some mention recently of an interview he did with NBC which was never aired because they didn't find his story credible. I don't know but I'm sure the Feds are already aware of him.

370 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:11:07am

There is a chocolate crisis?

I don't know if I can take much more.

This might put me back into hibernation for a while.

/:)

371 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:12:22am

re: #365 Obdicut

He actually admits that he ordered illegal conduct ", which is why I ordered the site to be attacked yesterday as a way of forcing a response."

Ordering a website to be attacked to force a response (presumably from Charles), can be treated as anything from harassment to computer intrusion if that occurred (hacking) - and subject to multiple state and federal crimes and that could lead to a response from law enforcement including the FBI.

372 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:12:30am

re: #369 Killgore Trout

I think it was on last night:

373 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:12:50am

re: #363 Killgore Trout


which is why I ordered the site to be attacked yesterday as a way of forcing a response.

He ordered the little "connection glitch" that Charles discovered the other day?

Really?

Slowing down the "post" and "ding" buttons was an attack?

374 laZardo  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:14:43am

re: #371 lawhawk

IS IT TIME TO START UP THE PARTYVAN?

/ :B

375 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:14:52am

re: #373 ggt

He ordered the little "connection glitch" that Charles discovered the other day?

Really?

Slowing down the "post" and "ding" buttons was an attack?



He wishes.

Our highly trained team of mutant caffeine-addicted hamsters has been wrestling with server issues most of the day, but it looks like everything’s straightened out now and running at full speed. Contrary to any crazy rumors you might have heard, our host, the Network Operations Center, and my own monitoring tools say there was no evidence of an attack.

It looks like the servers just needed a reboot; they’d been running non-stop for quite a long time. Or maybe it was a clog in the intertubes, an intermittent router problem, a squirrel gnawing on cables. We may never know, and the hamsters aren’t talking.

376 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:16:11am

re: #371 lawhawk

They're trying to compare what they do to civil disobedience, which is kind of silly. Civil disobedience generally involves not complying with a restrictive law about speech or assembly-- not attempting to shut the speech of others down.

I used to think Barrett was kooky but quite smart and principled. Now he hangs out with people who support genocide, simply because Charles banned him. Consistency, not exactly his strong suit.

377 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:16:53am

re: #374 laZardo

IS IT TIME TO START UP THE PARTYVAN?

/ :B

Image: PartyVan.jpg

378 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:18:49am

re: #375 Varek Raith


He wishes.

Yeah, I was on that thread. Posting was a PITA for a while, but Charles got the hamsters what they needed.

If he is claiming that was an attack he ordered, it was a pretty lame attack. Not even much of a "message".

Varek is right, guy needs to grow-up, get a job, learn a bit about the world outside his computer and plastic lawn furniture.

379 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:19:44am

re: #376 Obdicut

They're trying to compare what they do to civil disobedience, which is kind of silly. Civil disobedience generally involves not complying with a restrictive law about speech or assembly-- not attempting to shut the speech of others down.

I used to think Barrett was kooky but quite smart and principled. Now he hangs out with people who support genocide, simply because Charles banned him. Consistency, not exactly his strong suit.

Isn't civil disobedience a passive resistance thing. This guy doesn't seem to be very passive.

380 brennant  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:20:32am

Thanks Charles... now I am going to have to buy some Reign of Kindo.

The beauty of being a geeky web designer is that I can work from home and blast tunes.. so I am always looking for something to listen to.

Right now I am totally stuck on this album.

381 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:20:50am

Ordered? I thought no one could order Anon. /

382 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:21:34am

re: #379 ggt

Well, it can be 'active' like blacks sitting at lunch counters where blacks weren't served. That takes up the businesses space and disrupts them-- but it doesn't actually remove the service, or prevent others from using it. The business could, at any time, simply serve those black men and end the disruption. The attacks on websites are nothing like this, nobody is being excluded.

383 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:22:07am

re: #381 Sergey Romanov

Yeah, that fiction has finally been dropped, which is a relief but may disappoint a few people who thought the hive mind had been born.

384 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:22:16am

NPR CEO Vivian Schiller Resigns

This follows yesterday's news that then-NPR fundraiser Ron Schiller (no relation) was videotaped slamming conservatives and questioning whether NPR needs federal funding during a lunch with men posing as members of a Muslim organization (they were working with political activist James O'Keefe on a "sting.")

Vivian Schiller quickly condemned Ron Schiller's comments, and he moved up an already-announced decision to leave NPR and resigned effective immediately. But Ron Schiller's gaffe followed last fall's dismissal of NPR political analyst Juan Williams, for which Vivian Schiller came under harsh criticism and NPR's top news executive, Ellen Weiss, resigned.

385 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:22:17am

re: #381 Sergey Romanov

Ordered? I thought no one could order Anon. /

Barret Brown.

You ain't leadin' but two things now, pal. Jack and shit. And Jack left town.
386 laZardo  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:24:11am

re: #377 Varek Raith

At least it's not the Chinese version.

387 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:24:46am

re: #386 laZardo

At least it's not the Chinese version.

"Mobile execution unit"?
I want one!
/

388 jaunte  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:26:11am

Watch out for the burgers:

March 9, 2011 WASHINGTON (USDA)-- Creekstone Farms Premium Beef, an Arkansas City, Kan., establishment, is recalling approximately 14,158 pounds of ground beef products that may be contaminated with E. coli O157:H7, the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSIS) announced today.
...
Each case label bears the establishment number "EST. 27" inside the USDA mark of inspection. These products were produced on Feb. 22, 2011, and were shipped to firms in Ariz., Calif., Ga., Ind., Iowa, Mo., N.C., Ohio, Pa. and Wash. for further processing and/or distribution. It is important to note that the above listed products may have been repackaged into consumer-size packages and sold under different retail brand names. When available, the retail distribution list(s) will be posted on FSIS' website at [Link: www.fsis.usda.gov...]


[Link: www.foodmanufacturing.com...]

389 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:27:27am

re: #372 RogueOne

I think it was on last night:
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

ah, thanks.

390 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:29:57am

Where Did I Come From? Some Stolen Children Don't Want To Know.

"One day in 1977, the Madariagas — a young couple, left-wing activists, living in Argentina — both disappeared, leaving no note, no trace. Their parents went to the police, then to the government for help. They were especially concerned because the Madariagas were expecting a baby. They asked for information. The police had none. This case, officials said, was a mystery. They had no idea where the Madariagas had gone. We now know that was a lie.

During the mid 1970's the Argentine military set up a baby-redistribution network, headquartered at the Campo de Mayo Hospital and the Escuela Mecanica de la Armada in Argentina. Fact-finding commissions have established that the regime systematically kidnapped young parents who expressed left wing sympathies, then killed those parents, dropping many of them alive from airplanes into the ocean. If the women were pregnant, the regime created maternity wards where mothers were drugged or forced (their hands and feet tied to the beds) to have Caesarean sections to accelerate birth. If they survived childbirth, they were murdered."

Whackos know no boundries . . .

391 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:33:11am

re: #373 ggt

He ordered the little "connection glitch" that Charles discovered the other day?

Really?

Slowing down the "post" and "ding" buttons was an attack?

Yeah, that's what makes me think he's not really that well connected with Anon. There was a DDoS attack a few months ago on LGF but the disruption was pretty brief.

392 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:34:24am

re: #391 Killgore Trout

Yeah, that's what makes me think he's not really that well connected with Anon. There was a DDoS attack a few months ago on LGF but the disruption was pretty brief.

delusional?

393 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:35:55am

re: #387 Varek Raith

I'd rather have a death proof car.

394 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:36:14am

Here's what Crazy Pam and the stalkers are promoting....
Group may be planning Quantico cyber assault

London's The Financial Times reports this week that U.S. law enforcement agencies are investigating plans by members of a hacking collective known as Anonymous to disrupt Quantico’s operations in protest over the alleged rough treatment of Army Pfc. Bradley Manning, a suspect in the Wikileaks data dump that has sent countries around the world into a tizzy with the disclosure of state secrets big and small.

According to the Financial Times, members of Anonymous—an amorphous group of worldwide hackers -- have been discussing plans on public file-sharing sites to target the Quantico brig over Manning’s treatment.


These "true conservatives" are promoting someone who claims to be a leader of a group that is attacking military bases in support of a traitor. Lovely folks.

395 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:36:55am

re: #392 ggt

delusional?

Maybe. I think he just needs the attention.

396 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:39:06am

Finally, some good news:

Scientists Grow Parts For Kids With Urinary Damage

""Typically, if you're going to see these structures fail, they can fail early or they can fail late," Atala says. "But if you have them with this long of a follow-up, then you know they're going to do well over time."

Atala says the tissue grafts have grown along with the boys, who have had major growth spurts since their urinary repairs. "So the body is recognizing the implant as its own," Atala says.

He says the procedure has transformed the boys' lives. "These children are now totally normal," he says. "They're running around and doing the things they usually do."

397 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:40:34am

re: #393 lawhawk

I'd rather have a death proof car.

I loved that movie!

398 laZardo  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:40:50am

re: #394 Killgore Trout

Anon generally HAET authority in general. Call it the "moronic convergence" somewhere down Anarchy Lane.

I suspect it might be a way of compensating for the fact that most of them are what they call "basement dwellers."

399 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:41:28am

Grand Rapids schools hit with sanctions for suspending blacks, students with disabilities at higher rates
[Link: www.mlive.com...]


The state has cited Grand Rapids Public Schools for suspending a “significantly disproportionate” number of black and special education students -- a move that has forced the district to shift $1 million in federal funds to address the problem.

400 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:41:33am

re: #398 laZardo

Anon generally HAET authority in general. Call it the "moronic convergence" somewhere down Anarchy Lane.

I suspect it might be a way of compensating for the fact that most of them are what they call "basement dwellers losers."

ftfy

401 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:42:24am

re: #398 laZardo

Anon generally HAET authority in general. Call it the "moronic convergence" somewhere down Anarchy Lane.

I suspect it might be a way of compensating for the fact that most of them are what they call "basement dwellers."

I also have to ask, are all the "basement dwellers" white nerdy guys?

402 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:44:47am

re: #401 ggt

I also have to ask, are all the "basement dwellers" white nerdy guys?

Nah, they're probably grayish-green by now.

403 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:45:22am

Unions protest upcoming Michigan Senate vote, warn further protests if more steps taken
[Link: www.mlive.com...]


LANSING — Protesters numbered several hundred strong but a Capitol rally in support of public employees ended peacefully Tuesday, and the Senate is expected to vote today on the legislation that sparked the uprising.

At issue is legislation that would allow for the appointment of emergency financial managers in municipalities or school districts deemed insolvent. While the legislation is far from the broadside attack on collective bargaining launched by governors in Wisconsin and Ohio, Michigan union officials fear a slippery slope.

With shouts of “Shame on you,” and signs with slogans like “Impeach the nerd,” hundreds of teachers, firefighters and other public employees crammed into the Capitol rotunda Tuesday while others held forth on the outside steps.

404 laZardo  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:47:10am

Gotta head to bed. Nighty.

405 reine.de.tout  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:49:07am

re: #369 Killgore Trout

No. I suspected about possible anti-american interests assisting wikileaks (various hostile governments or criminal organizations). I'm also pretty sure that since he promotes himself as a strategist and spokesman for Anon that the Feds are almost surely monitoring his communications. He probably has some contact with the group's leaders I'm starting to suspect he's exaggerating his role to get attention. I've seen some mention recently of an interview he did with NBC which was never aired because they didn't find his story credible. I don't know but I'm sure the Feds are already aware of him.

I've also suspected for a bit that he has and still does exaggerate his contributions to and influence with Vanity Fair and all the other publications he mentions with boring regularity. I think he lives in a dream world that exists only in his own head.

And no, I do not recall you ever threatening to call the FBI; you simply mused about whether or not they might be aware of him and monitoring his activities.

406 zora  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:49:38am

re: #352 NJDhockeyfan

from the link:

Miller reported it was 1975 when Jason went missing just 30 feet from his suburban Providence home. Woodmansee was 16 years old at the time.

For the next seven years, Jason's parents agonized over what happened to their beloved son. Police searches came up empty. Finally, in 1982, Woodmansee confessed to stabbing Jason in the chest. The lead detective, Ron Hawksley, is still haunted by what happened.

The retired detective said, "We found a box, a shoe box, that had bones in it. They were all cleaned and shiny. They'd been shellacked."

Prosecutors cut a plea deal to spare the family from having to hear the gruesome details of the case, a decision Forman said on the radio show he now regrets.

Foreman said, "It was a shame he only got 40 years to begin with. He should have got life sentence."

But now, after serving only 28 years of a 40-year sentence, Woodmansee could go free in August.

Foreman said on the radio show, "I'm beside myself. I can't think. I can't sleep. All I think about is trying to find a way to get to this man to kill him. That's in my every thought."

i feel so sorry for the boys parents.

407 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:50:06am

People Coping With Rare Disease Are Internet Power Users

About 25 million people in the United States have a rare disease, although each disease affects no more than 200,000 people. Because of that, people often have a hard time finding others in the community with first-hand knowledge of that disease.

People are also more likely to seek their peers out online if they are coping with a medical crisis, are a caregiver for a sick relative, or are dealing with a chronic condition. About one-quarter of Internet users in those situation seek out peers online, compared to 18 percent of Web surfers overall.

But the people dealing with a rare disease were far more likely to have honed their searching, learning, and networking skills to Olympian levels. The majority of them are connected to peers online. "We can say things to each other we can't say to others," one woman living with a blood disorder wrote in the survey. "We joke about doctors and death. We cry when we need to. Together we are better informed."

The intertubes are soooo COOL!

408 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:50:14am
409 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:51:11am

Shuttle incoming!

410 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:51:50am

re: #405 reine.de.tout

And no, I do not recall you ever threatening to call the FBI; you simply mused about whether or not they might be aware of him and monitoring his activities.

He says the same thing in the NBC interview so he and I are in agreement. If he is actually a senior strategist for Anon he's amazingly stupid and will spend a very long time in jail.

411 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:52:38am

re: #408 Stanley Sea

Photo of the day

America in 1951 vs America in 2011

Lions and Tigers and Race Mixing, Oh My!

412 Four More Tears  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:53:03am

re: #408 Stanley Sea

Photo of the day

America in 1951 vs America in 2011

Race Mixing is... Communism???

413 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:53:17am

re: #409 Varek Raith

Shuttle incoming!

Should I duck?

414 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:54:19am

re: #410 Killgore Trout

He says the same thing in the NBC interview so he and I are in agreement. If he is actually a senior strategist for Anon he's amazingly stupid and will spend a very long time in jail.

Especially with planned attacks on military bases. Attacking financial institutions opened them up to a whole new set of laws. Targeting military bases moves things to a whole new level. That's the kind of thing that can get you life in a supermax.

415 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:54:25am

re: #408 Stanley Sea

Photo of the day

America in 1951 vs America in 2011

Egads, yes.

And Tea Baggers wonder why they are adjuncted onto bad connotations of US history with all their "communism" malarkey.

416 Buck  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:54:37am

Shuttle Landing is cool.

417 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:54:57am

re: #413 EmmmieG

Should I duck?

Heh. I wanted to post something like "*ducks*".

418 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:55:21am

re: #412 JasonA

Race Mixing is... Communism???

Scared people, still scared.

419 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:55:26am

re: #417 Sergey Romanov

Heh. I wanted to post something like "*ducks*".

i was going to go with "HIT THE DECK!"

420 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:55:30am

re: #416 Buck

Shuttle Landing is cool.

*looks at nickname*

No it's not!


/////

421 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:56:45am

re: #412 JasonA

Race Mixing is... Communism???

Race Mixing

422 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:57:04am

re: #421 Sergey Romanov

Hmm, strange bug in comments.

423 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:57:04am

WTF. I lost the live stream.

424 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:57:47am

re: #412 JasonA

Race Mixing is... Communism???

Race Mixing <- Internationalism <- Communism

425 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:58:04am

re: #412 JasonA

Race Mixing is... Communism???

Well, if so - "Race Baiting is Capitalism"

426 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:58:14am

And the glorified glider space shuttle has landed.

427 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:58:15am

Anonymous Vows Personal Attacks on U.S. Military Families, "War" on U.S.

Mr. Brown's latest effort is to personally attack and "harass" military personnel, law enforcement officials, and staff at the Quantico, Virginia military base where Bradley Manning is imprisoned. Anonymous members try to hack into the peoples' personal accounts and attempt to post personal information and embarrassing details on internet message boards and other outlets.

The attacks are known as "doxing" to the group. They include trying to post details about the individuals' families such as the names of their children and their home addresses.

428 Achilles Tang  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:59:27am

Tampa Bay 11:50 am. BOOM boom

429 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:59:38am

re: #427 Killgore Trout

Anonymous Vows Personal Attacks on U.S. Military Families, "War" on U.S.

Oh, going after minor children.

Who is the good guy, again?

430 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:59:50am

I'm sure the actual hackers appreciate BB's willingness to throw himself under the nearest bus on their behalf. /

431 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:59:53am

laters all.

I have to go sell beer to old people for no financial gain upon myself.

432 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:00:01am

Star-Trek Wake-up Call

I love how the science guys love Star Trek as much as I do. . . .

433 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:00:45am

re: #424 Sergey Romanov

Race Mixing <- Internationalism <- Communism

The dreaded ONE-WORLD GOVERNMENT is the paranoid meme.

434 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:01:38am

re: #427 Killgore Trout

Anonymous Vows Personal Attacks on U.S. Military Families, "War" on U.S.

That is not only double-plus not good it is FREAKIN' STUPID.

Anonymous, remember, the military are the guys with the BIG GUNS. Don't threaten their families.

435 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:01:38am

re: #431 wozzablog

laters all.

I have to go sell beer to old people for no financial gain upon myself.

Kudos for your service to humanity.

436 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:01:40am

re: #424 Sergey Romanov

Race Mixing <- Internationalism <- Communism <- ???? <- Profit!!!

437 jaunte  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:02:15am

re: #427 Killgore Trout

The group is also attempting to accomplish a "complete communications shutdown" of phone lines and internet to the military base. He was careful to stress that he calls himself a "journalist" and is not involved personally in these attacks.


I don't think that's going to work as a shield for him.

438 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:02:38am

re: #431 wozzablog

laters all.

I have to go sell beer to old people for no financial gain upon myself.

"An act of pure charity. God Bless you my son."

-Fr. Guido Sarducci

439 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:02:42am

re: #427 Killgore Trout

That's the old anonymous I know, of Jessi Slaughter fame.

Asshole of the interwebs.

440 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:02:49am

re: #436 Varek Raith

That's Communism in a nutshell ;)

441 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:04:50am

re: #437 jaunte

I don't think that's going to work as a shield for him.

I think he's really fucking himself. Even if he isn't really that well placed within Anon the Feds may decide to stick it to him anyways since he's put himself out there are a very public spokesman. I don't think his plan is very well thought out.

442 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:05:07am

re: #427 Killgore Trout

The attacks are known as "doxing" to the group. They include trying to post details about the individuals' families such as the names of their children and their home addresses.

So that Westboro can go and picket their block?

443 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:06:57am

re: #439 Obdicut

That's the old anonymous I know, of Jessi Slaughter fame.

Asshole of the interwebs.

You dun' goofed.

444 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:11:16am

Driver files excessive use of force civil suit against 3 Hamilton County deputies
[Link: www.kypost.com...]


ANDERSON TWP. - Three Hamilton County Sheriff's deputies will not face criminal charges after tasing a man seven times and dislocating his elbow during a traffic stop.

A use-of-force expert says the deputies did nothing criminal, even though the driver was in diabetic shock at the time of his arrest.
....
The evidence also reveals he was tased seven times within a minute and a half during the traffic stop at Clough Pike and Fireside Drive.
.....
Attorney Mildred O'Linn, who states she has never found criminal wrongdoing against an officer in past investigations, says the deputies believed Harmon was possibly driving drunk when he failed to stop after a slow pursuit that continued for a mile and half.

"Here we have officers maintaining control of his arms, taking him to the ground, struggling to get his hands behind his back, giving him verbal commands over and over again and having him resist. If there is a medical reason for that behavior they still have to deal with his behavior. That's the unfortunate part of dealing with people when they're in distress," O'Linn said.

O'Linn says she did not interview the deputies or troopers because they invoked their 5th amendment rights, but based on the written reports from the officers, she found they did nothing criminal during the arrest.

Never found criminal wrongdoing in any investigation she's done on police.....no wonder they keep using her.

445 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:11:28am

PDF of Shuttle Spin-offs.

What NASA R&D lead to commercial products.

446 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:12:58am

re: #444 RogueOne

Driver files excessive use of force civil suit against 3 Hamilton County deputies
[Link: www.kypost.com...]

Never found criminal wrongdoing in any investigation she's done on police...no wonder they keep using her.

doesn't seem very "non-biased".

447 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:20:00am

re: #444 RogueOne

Driver files excessive use of force civil suit against 3 Hamilton County deputies
[Link: www.kypost.com...]

Never found criminal wrongdoing in any investigation she's done on police...no wonder they keep using her.

This happened about 20 minutes from me:
[Link: governmentabuse.info...]

Police knock, announce their presence, and break down the door of John Hirko, a Bethlehem, Pennsylvania resident. Officers report tossing a flashbang grenade "within a few seconds" of knocking, according to the Allentown Morning Call, not giving Hirko time to come to the door.

After shooting Hirko 11 times, mostly in the back, a SWAT officer throws a second flashbang in Hirko's direction. The second flashbang set fire to Hirko's house and burns his body beyond recognition.

In a lawsuit filed by Hirko's estate against the city and police, experts testified that the disorienting effects of the grenade and its deployment in such close proximity to the alleged announcement, along with the lack of clear police insignia on the black, military-style uniforms, would make most anyone unable to determine whether they were being invaded by police or unlawful intruders.

In 2004, a federal jury found the SWAT team guilty of violating Hirko's civil rights. The city of Bethlehem settled with Hirko's estate for $8 million.

Nobody has done any time, or faced charges. There was a sizeable civil verdict, but there were no criminal charges. Lets just say the police around here inspire more fear in innocent people than they do in criminals.

What the above article leaves out is there isn't a single non-policeman who corroborates the claim that they announced themselves before entering, including dozens of neighbors who lived on the same floor.

This is what total police corruption looks like. It's not fun.

448 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:23:47am

After nuclear apocalypse I know there will still be cockroaches & Cher, but will there still be laundry?

449 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:24:17am

re: #447 Fozzie Bear

Also note that he was shot eleven times, as in eleven bullets hit him in the back. Hundreds of rounds were discharged overall. As for the uniforms police were wearing: multiple witnesses testified at the civil trial that the police were wearing black clothing, and black masks, did not identify themselves as police, and did not knock. They just rammed the door open and mowed the guy down in front of his girlfriend.

450 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:24:33am

re: #448 ggt

After nuclear apocalypse I know there will still be cockroaches & Cher, but will there still be laundry?

There will still be peeps.

451 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:25:43am

re: #447 Fozzie Bear

This happened about 20 minutes from me:
[Link: governmentabuse.info...]

Nobody has done any time, or faced charges. There was a sizeable civil verdict, but there were no criminal charges. Lets just say the police around here inspire more fear in innocent people than they do in criminals.

What the above article leaves out is there isn't a single non-policeman who corroborates the claim that they announced themselves before entering, including dozens of neighbors who lived on the same floor.

This is what total police corruption looks like. It's not fun.

Shot him 11 times, mostly IN THE BACK?

shooting someone in the back is usually slam-dunk prison sentence. Campos and Rameon etc .. .

452 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:25:57am

re: #449 Fozzie Bear

One more fun fact: The lead officer on the case reloaded. Twice.

453 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:26:35am

re: #452 Fozzie Bear

One more fun fact: The lead officer on the case reloaded. Twice.

WTF, did they think he had an armed guerilla army in his house?

454 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:26:53am

re: #451 ggt

Shot him 11 times, mostly IN THE BACK?

shooting someone in the back is usually slam-dunk prison sentence. Campos and Rameon etc .. .

They never even faced charges in criminal court.

455 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:27:49am

re: #453 ggt

WTF, did they think he had an armed guerilla army in his house?

The police here are hopelessly corrupt, and everybody knows it. I could dig up dozens of similar examples from the past 10 years or so, but this one leapt to mind.

456 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:28:09am

re: #452 Fozzie Bear

One more fun fact: The lead officer on the case reloaded. Twice.

Such bullshit.

457 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:29:12am

Morning, all. Been hunkered down for tornados all morning, currently under 4-12 inch per hour rains. It runs all the way back to Reine's neighborhood, so more to come.

458 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:31:47am

re: #447 Fozzie Bear

I've never seen that site, now bookmarked, thanks for the info. Here's a similar map done by Balko/CATO a couple years ago about those types of raids:

[Link: www.cato.org...]

The Hirko incident is on it.

459 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:32:30am

re: #457 Decatur Deb

Morning, all. Been hunkered down for tornados all morning, currently under 4-12 inch per hour rains. It runs all the way back to Reine's neighborhood, so more to come.

Wowie, that's a lot of rain.

How was the birthday?

460 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:33:07am

re: #457 Decatur Deb

Stay safe dude... and a lot of that rain is heading towards the NYC metro area, which is still drying out from the last rains (and many areas are still flooded).

461 BishopX  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:33:18am

re: #455 Fozzie Bear

This is what a militarized police force looks like. It's not corruption per se, they aren't taking bribes, stealing,passing information or working on the side for organized crime. They're just well armed and unaccountable for their actions. Which is scarier as far as I'm concerned.

462 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:33:19am

re: #459 wrenchwench

Wowie, that's a lot of rain.

How was the birthday?

Diamond-free.

463 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:33:49am

Drug cops smash into wrong house, terrorize elderly couple

The former Ukrainian residents have lived in the house since 1967, according to their son. He said his father is a retired tailor and his mother worked as an elevator operator into her late 70s for Peoples Gas Co.

His mother, he said, called him after the raid at the request of the supervising sergeant on the scene. When he got there, he said he was told the officers had raided the wrong home.

"When I arrived the officer explained they had misinformation, but said his job was over, and he was leaving. They left a copy of the warrant, but he absolved himself of any responsibility for the raid or the damage," Andrew Jakymec said.

He estimated the damage to broken doors, locks and windows at up to $3,000.

"Everything was violently opened. Cabinets were ripped open, clothes and sheets were everywhere, and pieces of wood where the doors were rammed were all over the place," he said.

"My parents are refugees from the Soviet Union. They are naturalized citizens. They have relatives there who were abused for political reasons. You might expect it there, but not here," Jakymec said.

The warrant said police were looking for a 23-year-old man, described as Hispanic who lived in the ranch home. Records show a judge last month ruled the man forfeited bond in a drug-possession case. The address listed for the man in court records did not match that of the Jakymecs.

Anna added: "I didn't believe it was the police. They broke everything. I told them they should have rung the bell."

The War on Drugs is a failure. When are we going to stop funding it.

464 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:34:39am

re: #462 Decatur Deb

Diamond-free.

You wait for the 75th one for diamonds, right?

Or do you mean no baseball?

465 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:34:50am

re: #460 lawhawk

Stay safe dude... and a lot of that rain is heading towards the NYC metro area, which is still drying out from the last rains (and many areas are still flooded).

Yea... like Wayne NJ... gee, that never happened before.

466 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:35:09am

re: #461 BishopX

This is what a militarized police force looks like. It's not corruption per se, they aren't taking bribes, stealing,passing information or working on the side for organized crime. They're just well armed and unaccountable for their actions. Which is scarier as far as I'm concerned.

Turning the "War on Drugs" into an actual war. Every little hick town now has their own SWAT team with military weaponry and little to no actual training.

467 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:36:10am

re: #454 Fozzie Bear

They never even faced charges in criminal court.

What about the court of public opinion, do they still have jobs, friends, marriages?

468 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:36:40am

I missed this and found this only now. The crazy fascist/racist fuck Bosch Fawstin was made into a pork chop in this Daily Show episode:

Afterwards he had to write an blogpost with the headline "Don’t Judge a Comic Book By Its Creator’s Appearance on The Daily Show". *BIG SUCCESS!*

469 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:37:13am

re: #464 wrenchwench

You wait for the 75th one for diamonds, right?

Or do you mean no baseball?

Someone said I owed eleventy-carat diamond for outing her age, thought it was your comment. I'm not going to be consistent this morning--the (very good) weather alert radio is going off a lot.

470 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:40:34am

I have to be productive for a while.

bblater

Have a great time all!

471 jamesfirecat  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:42:03am

re: #468 Sergey Romanov

I missed this and found this only now. The crazy fascist/racist fuck Bosch Fawstin was made into a pork chop in this Daily Show episode:

[Link: www.thedailyshow.com...]

Afterwards he had to write an blogpost with the headline "Don’t Judge a Comic Book By Its Creator’s Appearance on The Daily Show". *BIG SUCCESS!*

My favorite is still the story of Betsy McCaughey, and how she resigned the day after Jon was done taking her apart....

472 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:42:07am

MSNBC keeps repeating their story about Sheen. They had a couple of psychiatrists watch his screed last night and now they think he might be a meth head. They mocked the warlock, the malibu messiah, they're going to get put on his list and then there will be hell to pay.

473 McSpiff  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:45:07am

re: #427 Killgore Trout

Anonymous Vows Personal Attacks on U.S. Military Families, "War" on U.S.

Sigh. How f'in stupid can these kids be?

474 BishopX  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:45:30am

re: #466 RogueOne

A suburb with near Boston bought two military surplus 40mm grenade launchers (M-79s) for town of 30,000 people. In total, MA police departments have bought more than 1,000 M-16s over the past ten years.

Linky

475 Kragar  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:46:19am

Well, I can see no possible way for this to go wrong.

Witnesses for King's Muslim hearings

Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.), the first Muslim elected to Congress. The African-American convert has been sharply critical of the hearings, saying focusing on one faith group when discussing radicalization is dangerous.

- Rep. Frank Wolf (R-Va.), who is well-known for his advocacy on human rights issues, particularly related to religious freedom overseas. He has made alliances with Muslim-Americans by speaking out about violence against Muslims in places from Bosnia to Sudan. He wrote legislation in 1998 creating the National Commission on Terrorism.

- M. Zuhdi Jasser, a prominent Muslim doctor from Scottsdale, Ariz., who runs a small nonprofit that partners with groups critical of Muslim-American leadership. A Republican and Navy veteran, he believes Muslims need to be more outspoken about intolerances in their scriptures and less critical of America.

- Abdirizak Bihi, a Somali-American activist who works with the youth of Minneapolis's large Somali community. His nephew was killed in Somalia in 2009 after becoming radicalized and joining a militant group there.

- Melvin Bledsoe, an Arkansas man whose son converted to Islam and became a radical in Yemen. He returned to the United States and went on a shooting spree in 2009 at a Little Rock military recruiting center, killing one and wounding one. Bledsoe is critical of the FBI for ignoring what he says were signs his son was potentially dangerous.

- Leroy Baca, the sheriff of Los Angeles County who was called by the ranking Democrat on the committee, Mississippi Rep. Bennie Thompson. He has spoken out in recent weeks to criticize the hearing's premise that Muslims aren't cooperative with law enforcement.

476 Kragar  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:46:52am

re: #473 McSpiff

Sigh. How f'in stupid can these kids be?

Pretty fucking stupid.

477 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:49:42am

re: #473 McSpiff

Sigh. How f'in stupid can these kids be?

Kids are stupid. What's really sad is the "adults" like Barrett Brown who convince them to carry out the actual attacks. The Anon leadership is exploiting stupid kids and they are going to ruin a lot of lives and families.

478 webevintage  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:49:53am

re: #463 ggt

Drug cops smash into wrong house, terrorize elderly couple

The War on Drugs is a failure. When are we going to stop funding it.

They are lucky the police did not shoot and kill their pets (as in other such raids gone wrong) or just shoot them.

479 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:51:16am

re: #474 BishopX

A suburb with near Boston bought two military surplus 40mm grenade launchers (M-79s) for town of 30,000 people. In total, MA police departments have bought more than 1,000 M-16s over the past ten years.

Linky

Good lord, that's not a bit scary is it.. A lot of these townships have been getting old, excess, military APC's but now it appears there is a new vehicle out there they all want:


America's most in-demand police vehicle is a 10-officer 16,000-pound armored tank that takes bullets like Superman and drives 80 mph. The federal government buys dozens each year for local police departments. Do America's local police need tanks?

480 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:51:34am

Here are the people he is making war on:

I will confess. I thought long and hard about posting this, and decided, "Why should I be the only one crying this morning?"

p.s. Love the dog.

481 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:51:42am

re: #478 webevintage

They are lucky the police did not shoot and kill their pets (as in other such raids gone wrong) or just shoot them.

First thing they do is shoot the dog.

482 KronoGhazi  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:51:58am

re: #477 Killgore Trout

They can Fawke off!

483 McSpiff  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:53:39am

re: #476 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Pretty fucking stupid.

I was young and stupid once, and understood computers too well. Almost fell into a hacker group once. They were in the process of turning some...less than legally obtained... information about a child porn ring over to the authorities.

Was I stupid to have any limited involvement with these people? Yep. Was I risking the wrath of the US Armed Forces? No, no I was not.

If kids don't understand by about the age of 12 that attacking the communications infrastructure of one of the most important military bases in the United States is seriously going to get you fucked up, we're doomed. People need to hit their kids more or something.

484 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:54:25am

re: #468 Sergey Romanov

I missed this and found this only now. The crazy fascist/racist fuck Bosch Fawstin was made into a pork chop in this Daily Show episode:

[Link: www.thedailyshow.com...]

Afterwards he had to write an blogpost with the headline "Don’t Judge a Comic Book By Its Creator’s Appearance on The Daily Show". *BIG SUCCESS!*

A former denizen of this blog. "This user is blocked."

485 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:54:50am

Things are getting quieter here already. South Georgia and the Fl panhandle are about to get raked.

486 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:55:16am

re: #483 McSpiff

I was young and stupid once, and understood computers too well. Almost fell into a hacker group once. They were in the process of turning some...less than legally obtained... information about a child porn ring over to the authorities.

Was I stupid to have any limited involvement with these people? Yep. Was I risking the wrath of the US Armed Forces? No, no I was not.

If kids don't understand by about the age of 12 that attacking the communications infrastructure of one of the most important military bases in the United States is seriously going to get you fucked up, we're doomed. People need to hit their kids more or something.

Or something.

We find a computer suspension works beautifully. Amazing immediate cooperation.

487 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:55:37am

laloalcaraz Lalo Alcaraz

NPR will be changing its show titles to appeal to Tea Party: Wait, Wait, Don't Educate Me, All Things Conspiracied and Birth of a Nation

488 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:57:00am

re: #484 wrenchwench

A former denizen of this blog. "This user is blocked."

Heh, didn't know that. But figures, the old LGF was a very cozy place for Islamophobes.

489 McSpiff  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:57:27am

re: #486 EmmmieG

Or something.

We find a computer suspension works beautifully. Amazing immediate cooperation.

I'm not a parent, but I like to think you'd discipline your children a little more heavily than "no computer time" for a deliberate attack on the Marine Corps via an internet connection in your name...

490 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:58:31am

re: #489 McSpiff

I'm not a parent, but I like to think you'd discipline your children a little more heavily than "no computer time" for a deliberate attack on the Marine Corps via an internet connection in your name...

Yeah. I'd take the cookies, too.

Seriously, if you discipline early and on the smaller things, nobody's hacking the marines on your computer.

491 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:59:06am

re: #484 wrenchwench

Also explains his collaboration with the stalkers. I wonder if Cox&Forkum will draw something for them if they ever wake up.

492 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:00:49am

re: #488 Sergey Romanov

Heh, didn't know that. But figures, the old LGF was a very cozy place for Islamophobes.

It was like flypaper. Or a honey badger trap. Hell, Geller started here, and the creeps at Gates of Vienna were here. In the end, I think it helped expose a ton of rampant bigotry when Charles openly split from them.

493 McSpiff  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:01:42am

re: #490 EmmmieG

Yeah. I'd take the cookies, too.

Seriously, if you discipline early and on the smaller things, nobody's hacking the marines on your computer.

I wonder what the average progression is for one of the drones in this case? I'd be willing to bet that very few of these kids match any kind of profile for 'bad kids' or have any sort of serious police record.

They're on a forum, target some government websites in Egypt with an idiot prof program someone posted, see the government fall, and now they're gunning for their hero Manning. I'm doubtful there's much "early" stuff to discipline in many of these cases.

494 Kragar  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:01:57am

Oh for fuck's sake. According to Gingrich, he fucked around on his first 2 wives because he loved America so much.

Newt Gingrich says his "not appropriate" behavior tied to his passion for America

Former House speaker and likely GOP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich, who has been married three times and has acknowledged an extramarital affair, said in an interview this week that his past indiscretions were driven in part by "how passionately I felt about this country."


"There's no question at times of my life, partially driven by how passionately I felt about this country, that I worked far too hard and that things happened in my life that were not appropriate," Gingrich told CBN News Chief Political Correspondent David Brody. "And what I can tell you is that when I did things that were wrong, I wasn't trapped in situation ethics, I was doing things that were wrong, and yet, I was doing it. I found that I felt compelled to seek God's forgiveness."

495 Buck  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:02:26am

re: #488 Sergey Romanov

Heh, didn't know that. But figures, the old LGF was a very cozy place for Islamophobes.

Wow, what a thing to say. Of course it is untrue. Anyone demonstrating racist behavior was soundly thrashed. However what you say was certainly what the lefty blog haters said back then.

496 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:03:56am

re: #495 Buck

Wow, what a thing to say. Of course it is untrue. Anyone demonstrating racist behavior was soundly thrashed. However what you say was certainly what the lefty blog haters said back then.

LOL. Figures that you, of all people, would say that. Also, Islamophobia is not racism :P

497 McSpiff  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:04:16am

re: #495 Buck

Defending the banned and the stalkers. Why am I not surprised at all...

498 webevintage  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:04:30am

re: #494 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh for fuck's sake. According to Gingrich, he fucked around on his first 2 wives because he loved America so much.

Newt Gingrich says his "not appropriate" behavior tied to his passion for America

hahahahahahahahahahaha
"Baby, I'm sorry, it's just that I luvs America so much....."

499 KronoGhazi  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:04:47am

re: #495 Buck

Wow, what a thing to say. Of course it is untrue. Anyone demonstrating racist behavior was soundly thrashed. However what you say was certainly what the lefty blog haters said back then.

That's bullshit. They were 'soundly thrashed' when they mask came off but for the most part they kept it hidden. But it was there, as history has shown.

500 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:05:29am

re: #494 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh for fuck's sake. According to Gingrich, he fucked around on his first 2 wives because he loved America so much.

Newt Gingrich says his "not appropriate" behavior tied to his passion for America

What a turkey.

There are a lot of men (and women) who work very hard that keep their zipper zipped.

501 Buck  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:05:50am

re: #497 McSpiff

Defending the banned and the stalkers. Why am I not surprised at all...

Not at all what I am doing.

I resent the comment that says it was a comfy place for Islamophobes.

502 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:06:04am

re: #479 RogueOne

Of course, those aren't tanks, but armored personnel carriers - and can be useful in HRT and SWAT incidents, but are largely overkill for most municipalities who rarely encounter or require such equipment.

503 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:07:04am

re: #501 Buck

Not at all what I am doing.

I resent the comment that says it was a comfy place for Islamophobes.

Were they here, but uncomfortable?

Because it's pretty hard to deny they were here.

504 McSpiff  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:07:18am

re: #501 Buck

Not at all what I am doing.

I resent the comment that says it was a comfy place for Islamophobes.

Right, it was just a blog that for a long time had many Islamphobic members, until Charles decided to clear house.

505 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:07:28am

re: #501 Buck

Not at all what I am doing.

I resent the comment that says it was a comfy place for Islamophobes.

Resent or resemble? /

Find any old comment thread dealing with Islam and it's all there in the open.

506 Buck  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:07:29am

re: #499 BigPapa

That's bullshit. They were 'soundly thrashed' when they mask came off but for the most part they kept it hidden. But it was there, as history has shown.

Well, I was there mr. johnny come lately, and that is not the "history" I remember. Certainly LGF was accused of it, but it was not so. I defended it then, and I will defend it now.

507 webevintage  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:07:43am

re: #494 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh for fuck's sake. According to Gingrich, he fucked around on his first 2 wives because he loved America so much.

Newt Gingrich says his "not appropriate" behavior tied to his passion for America

and the thing is there will be about 27% (that's the crazification factor of the American population) will go "I understand" and have no issues with what a tool the man is.

508 Four More Tears  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:07:56am

re: #494 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh for fuck's sake. According to Gingrich, he fucked around on his first 2 wives because he loved America so much.

Newt Gingrich says his "not appropriate" behavior tied to his passion for America

But when Clinton did it it was an assault on our sense of morals...

509 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:07:59am

re: #501 Buck

It was a place where an Islamaphobe could very easily hide behind the rubric that they were just talking about the extremists. That said, there was some blatant islamaphobia, like Mandy's now-infamous comment, from long ago, that she was teaching her kid that Islam was evil.

510 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:08:56am

Wow -- the wingnut monkeys are all screeching and gibbering at me today, over the James O'Keefe post. Looks like I hit the target dead center.

511 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:08:59am

re: #502 lawhawk

Of course, those aren't tanks, but armored personnel carriers - and can be useful in HRT and SWAT incidents, but are largely overkill for most municipalities who rarely encounter or require such equipment.

Which is why I specified APC in the previous comment.// You can't expect a reporter to understand the difference between a tank and a truck can you?

512 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:11:35am

re: #509 Obdicut

Then again, there were a lot of "nuke Mecca"/"[bigoted word]s"/etc. comments that weren't even subtle.

513 KronoGhazi  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:11:51am

re: #501 Buck


I resent the comment that says it was a comfy place for Islamophobes.

I know the truth hurts but facts is facts.

514 Buck  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:12:44am

There were many antisemites who felt very comfortable at Obamas website? At DKOS? At Huffpo?

Just because there were comments, and posts that were clearly antisemetic, did that mean the site made it comfortable for them?

515 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:12:59am

I think O'Keefe is going to consider the CEO of NPR's resignation a big victory, but what does it actually achieve? Any CEO is always under internal political pressure, so I doubt her resignation is going to weaken NPR at all.

516 theheat  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:13:34am

re: #463 ggt

This kind of thing has happened before. People get shot. Their dogs get shot. Cops get shot by startled residents. And for what - a pot bust? I've seen more people's lives ruined over pot (not smoking it) than by anything else, sans maybe the IRS. Their stuff gets confiscated, legal fees up the ying yang, some bullshit plea bargain to make it all go away - it's fucking government sanctioned terrorism and extortion.

517 KronoGhazi  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:14:26am

re: #506 Buck

You're defending your own ignorance, not to mention implying I don't know what I'm talking about because of my join date is the weakest of points.

518 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:14:27am

It's true -- LGF became a place that was way too comfy for bigots. Partly because I believed in a hands-off policy on commenting, and partly because I did not have tools to police them.

When I realized that the community could NOT be trusted to police itself, things changed rapidly.

519 Kragar  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:14:36am

Is it just me or has the whole internet connectivity gone to shit over the last 4 to 5 days?

520 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:15:28am

re: #515 Obdicut

I think O'Keefe is going to consider the CEO of NPR's resignation a big victory, but what does it actually achieve? Any CEO is always under internal political pressure, so I doubt her resignation is going to weaken NPR at all.

Has another NPR honcho retired? The fundraising chief from yesterday had already announced his pending departure and had the next job lined up.

521 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:15:30am

The ability to differentiate between muslim terroritsts and muslims is important.

It's why we need to teach logic in the schools.

Many muslims terrorists have hurt the US, yes, but not all terrorists are muslim, and not all muslims are terrorists.

(With this kind of logic, Space Shuttle Discovery would still be a drawing somewhere, and medicine would still consist of lancets and leeches. And yes, I know we still use both, I am referring to the bad old days when that's what there was. That and spitting at the moon with a frog in your hand on the 3rd of May to get rid of warts, or whatever it was.)

522 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:15:48am

re: #514 Buck

There were many antisemites who felt very comfortable at Obamas website? At DKOS? At Huffpo?

Just because there were comments, and posts that were clearly antisemetic, did that mean the site made it comfortable for them?

Would that be a reply to my #503?
Is that the Magical Balance Fairy up on her toes?

523 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:15:53am

re: #518 Charles

And that's why the monkeys are screaming.

524 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:16:04am

re: #515 Obdicut

I think O'Keefe is going to consider the CEO of NPR's resignation a big victory, but what does it actually achieve? Any CEO is always under internal political pressure, so I doubt her resignation is going to weaken NPR at all.

Organizations like NPR need to do two things:

1) start verifying that the people they meet with aren't right wing phonies, and

2) stop reacting to these phony controversies in such a knee-jerk fashion, and start fighting back.

525 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:16:42am

re: #512 Sergey Romanov

And those who made those kinds of statements, or proposed the Sampson option or any other truly horrific scenarios were given the ban-stick. One of the reasons for instituting the registration was to deal with the crazy commenters IIRC - to prevent them from turning LGF into a cesspool.

526 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:17:00am

re: #514 Buck

There were many antisemites who felt very comfortable at Obamas website? At DKOS? At Huffpo?

Just because there were comments, and posts that were clearly antisemetic, did that mean the site made it comfortable for them?

Why in the fuck did you just turn it around??

So typical.

527 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:20:21am

re: #520 Decatur Deb

I read that the CEO was resigning. Part of it from this, part of it from the Juan Williams thing.

And I agree with Charles. I don't understand why these people are on the defensive. They need to start standing up for themselves and fighting teh crazy.

528 KronoGhazi  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:20:34am

re: #514 Buck

Magical Balance Fairy is teaming up The Equivocator! Super powers activate Blog-Fu Power Vortex!

529 prairiefire  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:21:38am

re: #520 Decatur Deb

Has another NPR honcho retired? The fundraising chief from yesterday had already announced his pending departure and had the next job lined up.

Which unfortunately, he just lost:[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

530 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:24:35am

re: #529 prairiefire

Which unfortunately, he just lost:[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

I need more info. "loses" job tends to mean he was fired, or asked not to join, but according to their statement it was Schiller who said it he wasn't coming.

531 RogueOne  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:25:21am

re: #530 RogueOne

I need more info. "loses" job tends to mean he was fired, or asked not to join, but according to their statement it was Schiller who said it he wasn't coming.

PIMF

532 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:25:56am

Totally OT.

Today's project is switching over my recipes from the box (which is broken on account of falling from the highest shelf, and never worked well anyway) to the binder.

Some of the recipe cards date back to my bridal shower.

Why would you give a bride a recipe for squash casserole? She's perfectly capable of finding things that the groom won't eat on her own. Give that girl a recipe for baby back ribs, garlic mashed potatoes, or homemade pizza.

Some of those bridal shower cards are from my deceased grandmother. Luckily, not the squash casserole. Grandma had more sense than that.

533 BishopX  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:25:59am

re: #502 lawhawk

They have turret mounted .50 cal machine guns. They have treads. They have armor. As far as I'm concerned they are tanks, not modern tanks, but they fit my definition of tank.

Besides, really, who needs a belt fed .50 cal machine gun outside of a warzone? Those things have a maximum range of over 4 miles. They shouldn't be used anywhere near a residential area.

534 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:27:58am

re: #533 BishopX

They have turret mounted .50 cal machine guns. They have treads. They have armor. As far as I'm concerned they are tanks, not modern tanks, but they fit my definition of tank.

Besides, really, who needs a belt fed .50 cal machine gun outside of a warzone? Those things have a maximum range of over 4 miles. They shouldn't be used anywhere near a residential area.

There are a lot of them in Juarez.

Oh, you said "outside of a war zone."

535 Kragar  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:28:53am

re: #528 BigPapa

Magical Balance Fairy is teaming up The Equivocator! Super powers activate Blog-Fu Power Vortex!

MECHA-SHIVA!

536 Achilles Tang  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:29:00am

re: #499 BigPapa

That's bullshit. They were 'soundly thrashed' when they mask came off but for the most part they kept it hidden. But it was there, as history has shown.

I was there. I don't remember classical racism (as opposed to the indirect type) but I do remember Christians against Muslims and I got flamed several times for being critical of that; and I am no fan of Islam.

537 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:29:27am

re: #533 BishopX

They have turret mounted .50 cal machine guns. They have treads. They have armor. As far as I'm concerned they are tanks, not modern tanks, but they fit my definition of tank.

Besides, really, who needs a belt fed .50 cal machine gun outside of a warzone? Those things have a maximum range of over 4 miles. They shouldn't be used anywhere near a residential area.

All of this discussion of police departments drooling over getting an APC reminds me of the _Hill Street Blues_ episode where the SWAT Lt finally gets a similar vehicle... and it promptly gets stolen and stripped.

:-D

538 Achilles Tang  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:29:36am

not flamed by Charles, BTW

539 Kragar  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:33:26am

re: #533 BishopX

They have turret mounted .50 cal machine guns. They have treads. They have armor. As far as I'm concerned they are tanks, not modern tanks, but they fit my definition of tank.

Besides, really, who needs a belt fed .50 cal machine gun outside of a warzone? Those things have a maximum range of over 4 miles. They shouldn't be used anywhere near a residential area.

AFC, Armored Fighting Vehicles, would be the official designation.

540 Buck  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:37:46am

re: #518 Charles

Well, what an idiot I was to defend you back then. When commercial firewall companies called your site a hate site, I defended you.

When the Lefty Blogs (your term) said this site was a home for bigots, I foolishly defended the site.

Man do I feel stupid now.

541 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:39:14am

re: #540 Buck

Do you understand the difference between a site being a hate site, and islamaphobes feeling comfortable in the comments there?

I mean, LGF never even got as bad as yahoo, which has incredibly insanely racist, homophobic, islamophobic, antisemitic comments every day. Still doesn't make Yahoo a hate site.

542 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:41:43am

re: #541 Obdicut

Hell, you can post 'The best flavor of ice cream is chocolate' on Yahoo, and within five comments someone will call for the destruction of Israel or sending black Americans to Africa. It's like racist magic.

543 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:43:19am

re: #541 Obdicut

Do you understand the difference between a site being a hate site, and islamaphobes feeling comfortable in the comments there?

I mean, LGF never even got as bad as yahoo, which has incredibly insanely racist, homophobic, islamophobic, antisemitic comments every day. Still doesn't make Yahoo a hate site.

Or YouTube, for that matter (whose comments more often than not require the donning of a virtual hazmat suit).

544 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:45:26am

re: #540 Buck

Uh, Buck - I didn't say LGF was a 'hate site.' I said there were unfortunately quite a few bigots hanging out in our comments, because I wrongly believed it was better to take a hands-off approach. Yes, I did ban outright racists and genocide advocates, but with primitive software and thousands of comments per day, it was impossible to get them all.

Since I created more effective tools to screen and get rid of nasty comments, this has improved radically. But you can't read through some of those old comment threads without seeing that there were indeed some bigots here -- and a lot of those people have turned into deranged stalkers now, which isn't really surprising because they were obviously not well in the first place.

545 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:48:06am

re: #532 EmmmieG

Totally OT.

Today's project is switching over my recipes from the box (which is broken on account of falling from the highest shelf, and never worked well anyway) to the binder.

Some of the recipe cards date back to my bridal shower.

Why would you give a bride a recipe for squash casserole? She's perfectly capable of finding things that the groom won't eat on her own. Give that girl a recipe for baby back ribs, garlic mashed potatoes, or homemade pizza.

Some of those bridal shower cards are from my deceased grandmother. Luckily, not the squash casserole. Grandma had more sense than that.

When my sons got married, I gave my daughters-in-law a scrapbook recipe holder of all their favorite foods.

One of my daughters-in-law has steadfastly refused to ever cook anything in that book. She told my son, "I want you to remember your mother's cooking the way it was." She is a way better cook than I am, anyway.

My other daughters-in-law gave the book to my son and told him "it's your turn to cook dinner!"

Zedushka keeps asking me to make a "barley and split-pea mash" like his mother used to make, which sounds utterly gross. Since I am working and he isn't, he has time to putter around in the kitchen.

546 Buck  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:48:14am

re: #544 Charles

You didn't make it comfortable for them here. AND we didn't make them feel comfortable here.

That is my memory of those years. I don't care what you, or your new friends say.

547 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:50:12am

re: #545 Alouette

When my sons got married, I gave my daughters-in-law a scrapbook recipe holder of all their favorite foods.

One of my daughters-in-law has steadfastly refused to ever cook anything in that book. She told my son, "I want you to remember your mother's cooking the way it was." She is a way better cook than I am, anyway.

My other daughters-in-law gave the book to my son and told him "it's your turn to cook dinner!"

Zedushka keeps asking me to make a "barley and split-pea mash" like his mother used to make, which sounds utterly gross. Since I am working and he isn't, he has time to putter around in the kitchen.

My husband makes Spanish tortilla (which is not Mexican tortilla, but is very different) with my boys.

I'm not allowed in the kitchen at that time.

548 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:51:22am

re: #546 Buck

What did you say when Mandy said she was teaching her kid to hate Islam?

549 blueraven  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 10:53:42am

re: #546 Buck

You didn't make it comfortable for them here. AND we didn't make them feel comfortable here.

That is my memory of those years. I don't care what you, or your new friends say.

I think the point was THEY felt comfortable here. Probably because there were enough of them. And as Charles stated, it was difficult to police the comments. So things sometimes got out of hand.

That does not mean LGF was a hate site by any measure. I see awful things on HuffPo when I dare venture over there. I dont consider it a hate site, but they dont seem to be able to keep up with the comments. Although I have noticed more removed posts lately.

550 researchok  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:02:17am

re: #546 Buck

You didn't make it comfortable for them here. AND we didn't make them feel comfortable here.

That is my memory of those years. I don't care what you, or your new friends say.

You're wrong.

Regardless of the current LGF political bend, the site has evolved for the better.

Yes, there are commenters who believe disagreement alone is cause for ostracism or ad hominem attacks- but this is more reflective of the commenter than the site or CJ.

Nevertheless, LGF is and remains one of the better political opinion sites.

I put up a wide variety of links every day that are both laudatory and critical of both sides of the spectrum. No one has ever suggested my links reflect any kind of 'party line'. The vast majority of my exchanges here are civil and cogent- despite my own decidedly right of center bend.

LGF is not a news site. LGF does not have to be balanced. LGF can be anything CJ wants it to be. There are lots of things here I disagree with. So what? I don't need to be preached to by a choir. I'd rather be in an environment which challenges my beliefs and assumptions. There are matters I have changed my mind on and others that have only strengthened my beliefs as a result of my discussions here.

Do you want to be right in your beliefs or do you want everyone else to agree with you?

There is a difference.

551 KronoGhazi  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:02:58am

Buck you're defending an ideal not based in fact.

552 researchok  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:03:44am

re: #551 BigPapa

Buck you're defending an ideal not based in fact.

Succinct!

553 Buck  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:07:51am

re: #550 researchok

Absolutely, not even one sentence in your post addresses what I am talking about. All I read in it is a series of strawmen that you knock down. However I was not talking about ANY of the points you make.

554 KronoGhazi  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:09:23am

Just because I know the DoDoheads love it...... somebody is getting their butthole touched.

555 researchok  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:11:35am

re: #553 Buck

Absolutely, not even one sentence in your post addresses what I am talking about. All I read in it is a series of strawmen that you knock down. However I was not talking about ANY of the points you make.

Leave ego and opinion out of it. And my references are germane.

I'm not knocking you or your opinions, even.

I'm addressing your perceptions.

Not every disagreement is adversarial.

556 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:11:36am

re: #546 Buck

You didn't make it comfortable for them here. AND we didn't make them feel comfortable here.

Again ... I didn't say I 'made it comfortable' for bigots, and I'm not saying that everyone who posted at LGF in the early days was a bigot.

But this is the way of the Internet: if site administrators don't take charge of moderating comments and deleting bad ones, the raving nuts inevitably take over.

557 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:13:15am

re: #556 Charles

Again ... I didn't say I 'made it comfortable' for bigots, and I'm not saying that everyone who posted at LGF in the early days was a bigot.

But this is the way of the Internet: if site administrators don't take charge of moderating comments and deleting bad ones, the raving nuts inevitably take over.

Internet? Or Life?

558 Buck  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:14:32am

re: #556 Charles

Again ... I didn't say I 'made it comfortable' for bigots, and I'm not saying that everyone who posted at LGF in the early days was a bigot.

But this is the way of the Internet: if site administrators don't take charge of moderating comments and deleting bad ones, the raving nuts inevitably take over.

Fine, "the old LGF was a very cozy place for Islamophobes" Agree or disagree?

Cause that is the only thing I am talking about.

559 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:14:33am

re: #296 RogueOne

She'll find some way to cash in and there's nothing wrong with that.

She deserves whatever she can get for herself. She stepped up, and she lost a lot.

I'd rather have someone like this cashing in on a pretty face and a story than someone like Lila Rose.

560 SpaceJesus  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:15:34am

re: #546 Buck


What? It wasn't comfortable for them here?

I remember when I called people out on their comparisons of Muslims to Nazis, and nobody, nobody, stuck up for what I had to say. Instead I was jumped on by dozens of crazy bigoted conservatives that dominated this place. The crazy racists and bigots thrived here.

561 iossarian  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:16:54am

re: #558 Buck

Fine, "the old LGF was a very cozy place for Islamophobes" Agree or disagree?

Cause that is the only thing I am talking about.

People have made some pretty questionable comments on here over the years without being banned. Off the top of my head I'm thinking of stuff like "Islam is a cult, not a religion" and "there's no such thing as a moderate Muslim".

If you want I can go and search for comments.

562 SpaceJesus  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:17:09am

re: #560 SpaceJesus


Just to clarify, that wasn't Charles's fault. He didn't make it comfortable for them, their safety in numbers is what made it comfortable for them.

563 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:18:19am

re: #368 Varek Raith

Barrett Brown, grow the fuck up and move on with your life.

Not a chance.

564 researchok  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:19:17am

re: #562 SpaceJesus

Just to clarify, that wasn't Charles's fault. He didn't make it comfortable for them, their safety in numbers is what made it comfortable for them.

That, and evolution.

One way or the other, change is inevitable. That's not a bad thing.

565 KronoGhazi  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:20:42am

re: #558 Buck

Fine, "the old LGF was a very cozy place for Islamophobes" Agree or disagree?.

Agree.

566 Buck  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:21:37am

re: #560 SpaceJesus

What? It wasn't comfortable for them here?

I remember when I called people out on their comparisons of Muslims to Nazis, and nobody, nobody, stuck up for what I had to say. Instead I was jumped on by dozens of crazy bigoted conservatives that dominated this place. The crazy racists and bigots thrived here.

That is not how I remember it. I remember Charles being compared to Hitler. In fact there was a whole website dedicated to that.

I remember some islamic groups publicly celebrating Hitler. Goose stepping, and protesting with signs that said Hitler should have finished the job....

But if anyone said all muslims are nazis? I don't think that was defended.

567 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:25:07am

re: #566 Buck

Do you understand that it's possible both for Charles to have been compared to Hitler and for Muslims to be compared to Nazis?

When I first got here, I got told over and over again that Islam was different from any other religion, that it had aspects to it that somehow made it substantially different than anything else, that it was always going to be literalist and dogmatic-- this despite the obvious wide differences in interpretation of Islam, and the obvious dogmatism and literalism of lots of forms of Christianity.

That might not be islamaphobia, but it's a very close cousin to it.

568 researchok  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:25:25am

re: #566 Buck

That is not how I remember it. I remember Charles being compared to Hitler. In fact there was a whole website dedicated to that.

I remember some islamic groups publicly celebrating Hitler. Goose stepping, and protesting with signs that said Hitler should have finished the job...

But if anyone said all muslims are nazis? I don't think that was defended.

That is true.

There is a big difference in what LGF was then and what Atlas is now.

A very big difference.

569 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:26:40am

re: #390 ggt

Where Did I Come From? Some Stolen Children Don't Want To Know.

Whackos know no boundries . . .

Argentina...God that was some bad stuff.

570 iossarian  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:28:27am

re: #568 researchok

That is true.

There is a big difference in what LGF was then and what Atlas is now.

A very big difference.

Maybe in terms of what was posted above the fold. In terms of the comments, I'm not so sure.

I just went and googled for some old Muslim threads and there's some pretty serious ugliness in there.

571 SpaceJesus  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:30:57am

re: #564 researchok

haha, i kind of miss those days of creationist wack a mole.

572 SpaceJesus  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:32:13am

re: #566 Buck


It wasn't just defended, they attacked anybody who said otherwise. Those folks are all over at the stalker blog now, doing exactly the same thing if you don't believe me.

573 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:34:18am

re: #546 Buck

You didn't make it comfortable for them here. AND we didn't make them feel comfortable here.

That is my memory of those years. I don't care what you, or your new friends say.

Don't fool yourself Buck. Charles didn't "make" them comfortable here, but, for a time, this was a very comfortable place for bigots and extremists. It can be true without it being Charles' doing. Sometimes trends just go in directions nobody, including Charles, anticipated.

574 researchok  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:34:19am

re: #570 iossarian

Maybe in terms of what was posted above the fold. In terms of the comments, I'm not so sure.

I just went and googled for some old Muslim threads and there's some pretty serious ugliness in there.

Yes, there was- and as CJ has noted, there was no way to monitor all those comments every day.

That said, LGF was never the kind of site Pam Geller has.

Also, the level of anti American vitriol (and threats) from many places in the world has diminished. LGF responded in kind- other sites developed and refined their Islamophobia even as the hate diminished.

575 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:36:17am

re: #495 Buck

Wow, what a thing to say. Of course it is untrue. Anyone demonstrating racist behavior was soundly thrashed. However what you say was certainly what the lefty blog haters said back then.

It's absolutely true, Buck. Vicious language against Muslims was the norm here in the comments for a long time.

576 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:37:08am

re: #501 Buck

Not at all what I am doing.

I resent the comment that says it was a comfy place for Islamophobes.

It was. Sorry if you resent that, but look at some of the old threads, and it's hard to avoid noticing.

577 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:38:51am

re: #514 Buck

There were many antisemites who felt very comfortable at Obamas website? At DKOS? At Huffpo?

Just because there were comments, and posts that were clearly antisemetic, did that mean the site made it comfortable for them?

AND, the MBF takes flight!

578 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:40:35am

re: #540 Buck

Well, what an idiot I was to defend you back then. When commercial firewall companies called your site a hate site, I defended you.

When the Lefty Blogs (your term) said this site was a home for bigots, I foolishly defended the site.

Man do I feel stupid now.

Buck, stop being self-dramatizing. I was attacked on this site for suggesting that Muslim children had a right to pray in school, and I am not interested in hearing your defense of that crap.

579 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:44:13am

re: #572 SpaceJesus

It wasn't just defended, they attacked anybody who said otherwise. Those folks are all over at the stalker blog now, doing exactly the same thing if you don't believe me.

And now they don't have to watch their mouths at all, at all.

580 JEA62  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 12:17:10pm

This is nothing.

If you can stomach it (I couldn't after 9 pages), try reading former DA Lynn Abraham's 2005 report on the church.

The grand jury wanted to indict the former archbishop - still might.

This is why I'm an ex-Catholic.

581 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 12:23:08pm

re: #566 Buck

That is not how I remember it.

Buck, do you remember this?

Islam, the Religion of Pigshit.

Islam, the Religion of Donkeyfuckers.

Islam, the Religion of Splodeydopes.

It is from one of those lefty blogs you mentioned. This is an LGF comment left by a very prominent poster who was banned only recently (by his own request).

582 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 12:43:22pm

re: #581 Sergey Romanov

who?

583 webevintage  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 12:45:08pm

BTW, Rere: #547 EmmmieG

My husband makes Spanish tortilla (which is not Mexican tortilla, but is very different) with my boys.

I'm not allowed in the kitchen at that time.

I love Spanish Tortilla, but I'm the only one which means...more for me!

584 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 12:46:07pm

re: #582 Stanley Sea

Cato.

585 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 12:48:11pm

re: #584 Sergey Romanov

Cato.

wow

586 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 12:49:21pm

re: #584 Sergey Romanov

His referring to Mohammed as the 'piss prophet' just confused me.

587 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 12:51:25pm

re: #586 Obdicut

His referring to Mohammed as the 'piss prophet' just confused me.

I haven't been reading much early LGF, but I've been reading comments for some time now and Cato was healed from this affliction, as far as I'm concerned. My point is not to diss him, but rather to show what kinds of comments were tolerated.

588 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 12:52:26pm

re: #587 Sergey Romanov

Yeah, I wasn't trying to pile on him, just noting that when I arrived here, Islamaphobia was alive and well.

589 Stanghazi  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 12:54:27pm

re: #588 Obdicut

Yeah, I wasn't trying to pile on him, just noting that when I arrived here, Islamaphobia was alive and well.

It was horrid.

590 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 12:55:33pm

re: #588 Obdicut

Anybody who is going to be that much of an asshole deserves being piled-on. Fuck him. Good riddance.

591 Buck  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 1:17:24pm

re: #581 Sergey Romanov

Buck, do you remember this?

It is from one of those lefty blogs you mentioned. This is an LGF comment left by a very prominent poster who was banned only recently (by his own request).

And what is your point exactly? That bad things were said? Of course they were, this is the internet after all. As I point out, that kind of intolerance is found on all sites. We had an entire series entitled "The Protocols of DKOS" But no one is going to say Kos was a site where anti semites felt cozy? Of course if I point that out then someone thinks it is witty to say MBF, as if that should mean anything.

I simply do not believe that I spent my days on a website I enjoyed where it "was cozy for Islamophobes".

592 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 1:18:59pm

re: #591 Buck

I think DKOS was a site where anti-Semites felt cozy, yes. I'm glad to see that extremist anti-Jew crap gets mocked there these days.


I simply do not believe that I spent my days on a website I enjoyed where it "was cozy for Islamophobes".

You also don't think Beck has been antisemitic. You're not a very good judge of, well, things.

593 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 1:23:07pm

re: #592 Obdicut

Well, I should say antisemites of a certain stripe, anyhow; DKOS wouldn't have been a good place for a right-wing antisemite, of which there are plenty.

594 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 1:53:56pm

re: #590 Fozzie Bear

Anybody who is going to be that much of an asshole deserves being piled-on. Fuck him. Good riddance.

I believe people can change for the better. Those were written in 2006. After that I think he re-thought some of those things.

595 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 1:56:42pm

re: #592 Obdicut

I think DKOS was a site where anti-Semites felt cozy, yes. I'm glad to see that extremist anti-Jew crap gets mocked there these days.

You also don't think Beck has been antisemitic. You're not a very good judge of, well, things.

If we go to the DKos links posted by Charles long ago, I think the result is almost always the same - mocking of the idiots in the comments. And while there probably are some "weakly" antisemitic lefties there, I don't think antisemites in general feel or felt cozy at DKos.

596 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 1:59:12pm

re: #591 Buck

And what is your point exactly? That bad things were said? Of course they were, this is the internet after all. As I point out, that kind of intolerance is found on all sites. We had an entire series entitled "The Protocols of DKOS" But no one is going to say Kos was a site where anti semites felt cozy? Of course if I point that out then someone thinks it is witty to say MBF, as if that should mean anything.

I simply do not believe that I spent my days on a website I enjoyed where it "was cozy for Islamophobes".

I don't see the analogy, frankly. If a significant percentage of DKos comments were antisemitic, I would say this about DKos. IBut such comments were and are an exception at DKos, but not at the old LGF. Oh, by the way, I gladly acknowledge that antisemites are quite cozy in HuffPo comments section.

597 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 2:00:31pm

re: #595 Sergey Romanov

I think the type of antisemites who cloak themselves in the mantle of "Israel is a uniquely bad actor" felt comfy at DKOS back during the darker days of the Bush administration. But I never really spent all that much time there.

598 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 2:04:10pm

re: #596 Sergey Romanov

I don't see the analogy, frankly. If a significant percentage of DKos comments were antisemitic, I would say this about DKos. IBut such comments were and are an exception at DKos, but not at the old LGF. Oh, by the way, I gladly acknowledge that antisemites are quite cozy in HuffPo comments section.

Hoffpo is the weirdest mix of various flavors of nutbaggery. Some of the articles there are completely rational and well-written, and then, one click away, is some of the looniest shit I have ever seen.

I'm not quite sure what Arianna is trying to do with her site, but whatever it is, i'm pretty sure it isn't working.

599 Buck  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 2:11:13pm

re: #596 Sergey Romanov

..... such comments were and are an exception at DKos, but not at the old LGF.....


Do you get this Charles? This guy is saying that islamophobic statements were not the exception, but were the rule for the OLD LGF.

This is what I disagree with, characterizing the OLD site that way.

600 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 2:40:54pm

re: #599 Buck

Do you get this Charles? This guy is saying that islamophobic statements were not the exception, but were the rule for the OLD LGF.

This is what I disagree with, characterizing the OLD site that way.

Sorry, d00d, you don't get to revise history. See the comments by other folks above.

601 Buck  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 2:49:23pm

re: #600 Sergey Romanov

Sorry, d00d, you don't get to revise history. See the comments by other folks above.

Nothing written above proves your point. I only see a number of people, like you, giving their opinion.

602 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 2:52:00pm

re: #601 Buck

Nothing written above proves your point. I only see a number of people, like you, giving their opinion.

Charles:

But this is the way of the Internet: if site administrators don't take charge of moderating comments and deleting bad ones, the raving nuts inevitably take over.

Plus consider that basically the folks above are witnesses giving their testimonies. You too. Except all but you say basically what I wrote.

603 Buck  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 3:08:11pm

re: #602 Sergey Romanov

The quote you give from Charles is a general statement about "the way of the internet". I do not see where he says that islamophobic statements were the rule, and not the exception.

In fact the sentence just before your quote he says "I'm not saying that everyone who posted at LGF in the early days was a bigot."

And don't call me D00d

604 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 3:16:05pm

re: #603 Buck

The quote you give from Charles is a general statement about "the way of the internet". I do not see where he says that islamophobic statements were the rule, and not the exception.

In fact the sentence just before your quote he says "I'm not saying that everyone who posted at LGF in the early days was a bigot."

And don't call me D00d

D00d, as long as you call me "this guy" I'll call you whatever I want.

As to Charles' citation, you just can't sum 2 and 2, right? Charles wrote explicitly:

...I believed in a hands-off policy on commenting, and partly because I did not have tools to police them.

Couple it with the previous citation and maybe you'll understand something. As for the rule and exception - I'm not saying that most old Lizards were such (though I suspect it), I don't have the stats. I never said it was a "rule". But it was in no way an exception. Even on the assumption that the majority of the old commenters weren't flaming bigots, Islamophobia was still acceptable, thus not an exception.

And I don't see why you bring up that quote by Charles. Like Charles, I also never said "that everyone who posted at LGF in the early days was a bigot".

605 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 3:16:53pm

So, this is where everyone went.

Laters, headed back upstairs.

This won't go anywhere productive.

606 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 3:30:53pm

re: #601 Buck

Nothing written above proves your point. I only see a number of people, like you, giving their opinion.

The point would be proven by reading the old comments that are available at your fingertips. I know why you don't want to look for yourself.

I simply do not believe that I spent my days on a website I enjoyed where it "was cozy for Islamophobes".

I believe that's known as "denial". You do not WANT to believe it. Sorry. I was here too. If you want to remain (or get) in touch with reality, read, and believe your eyes.

That is my memory of those years. I don't care what you, or your new friends say.

You don't even care what Charles says about it. I'm not positive, but that might be known as "pathological".

607 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 4:05:52pm

Buck, read the comments at [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] and repeat all you've said with a straight face.

608 Buck  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 4:40:54pm

re: #607 Sergey Romanov

Buck, read the comments at [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] and repeat all you've said with a straight face.

Clearly you and I have a different definition of Islamophobes.

609 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 5:14:40pm

re: #607 Sergey Romanov

Buck, read the comments at [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] and repeat all you've said with a straight face.

re: #608 Buck

Clearly you and I have a different definition of Islamophobes.

Hmm... face tipped to the right...my right, his left. Nope, couldn't say it with a straight face.

Seriously, Buck. You didn't see some comments that were derogatory of Islam? Because I did.

As usual, I don't expect you to respond to me, because the only time you do is when I wasn't addressing you.

610 jamesfirecat  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 5:17:01pm

re: #609 wrenchwench

re: #608 Buck

Hmm... face tipped to the right...my right, his left. Nope, couldn't say it with a straight face.

Seriously, Buck. You didn't see some comments that were derogatory of Islam? Because I did.

As usual, I don't expect you to respond to me, because the only time you do is when I wasn't addressing you.

To be fair to Buck and the rest of us who don't feel like going scuba diving in that particular part of LGF's history, how about you find us some choice examples of the Islamaphobia and give us links?

611 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 5:27:28pm
612 jamesfirecat  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 5:38:19pm

re: #611 publicityStunted

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Well then the Prosecution rests its case Mr. Wright Buck would you care to cross examine?

613 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 5:40:18pm

re: #610 jamesfirecat

To be fair to Buck and the rest of us who don't feel like going scuba diving in that particular part of LGF's history, how about you find us some choice examples of the Islamaphobia and give us links?

Well, I wasn't going to do it, but publicityStunted came through for you. I was gonna say:

It's just a thread with comments. You won't get anything on you. Go ahead, click on Sergey's link. Many of the deleted ones are from former posters who were so vile, they had ALL of their comments deleted after they were banned.

614 Buck  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 5:45:06pm

re: #612 jamesfirecat

Well then the Prosecution rests its case Mr. Wright Buck would you care to cross examine?


#591

615 jamesfirecat  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 5:52:31pm

re: #614 Buck

#591

Tell you what Buck answer me this question...

What would it take/ be capable of convincing you that OLD LGF "was cozy for Islamophobes".

Is their any possible thing that you could be shown which would make you admit to it?

616 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 5:53:51pm

re: #614 Buck

#591

Lame. Of course, you didn't respond to my remark about that very comment.

617 Buck  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 5:56:04pm

re: #616 wrenchwench

Lame. Of course, you didn't respond to my remark about that very comment.

You didn't ask a question or a remark needing a response.

618 Buck  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 5:56:33pm

re: #615 jamesfirecat

Tell you what Buck answer me this question...

What would it take/ be capable of convincing you that OLD LGF "was cozy for Islamophobes".

Is their any possible thing that you could be shown which would make you admit to it?

#546

619 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 5:57:57pm

re: #618 Buck

That's really sad. You can't bring yourself to even think about being wrong.

620 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:04:51pm

re: #619 Obdicut

That's really sad. You can't bring yourself to even think about being wrong.

In response to the thread Sergey linked, which contained the 3 comments I gave as samples, he said:

Clearly you and I have a different definition of Islamophobes.

So, it appears he doesn't even consider those sample comments (which no one condemned or took issue with in the original thread) to be Islamophobic.

621 jamesfirecat  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:05:52pm

re: #618 Buck

#546

Buck its not a hard question.

Is there evidence that would convince you that this place was cozy for islamaphobes?

Yes or no?

622 Nemesis6  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:12:58pm

This should be the Catholic Church's theme, if they ever decide upon one -

623 Buck  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:26:10pm

re: #621 jamesfirecat

Buck its not a hard question.

Is there evidence that would convince you that this place was cozy for islamaphobes?

Yes or no?

Asked and answered.

I was there.... from 2002 to today. We pointed out the things about the extremists that no one else would. We used their own words to tell the story. We exposed their own actions to expose them. I do not think that is islamophobia. Sometimes we described the more crazy people in insulting terms. Earlier that week we insulted German foreign minister Joschka Fischer, who was not muslim, but had a hardon for Arafat, and hated Sharon. Also in that week we awarded the 2005 Idiotarian of the Year Award (Fiskie for short) to none other than the mainstream media’s favorite “peace mom,” the one and only Cindy Sheehan. (also not a muslim)

That there was a yearly self induced death toll at the hajj (located in the only completely religious separation city in the world that I know of) brought out some strong feelings. It was decided long before that ignoring the idiots would be a way to make them go away. Often these kind of comments were plants. Did some people go over the top? Sure, but they were the exception and not the rule.

624 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:26:55pm

re: #623 Buck

Heh. Plants.

Pathetic.

625 jamesfirecat  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:32:38pm

re: #623 Buck

Asked and answered.

I was there... from 2002 to today. We pointed out the things about the extremists that no one else would. We used their own words to tell the story. We exposed their own actions to expose them. I do not think that is islamophobia. Sometimes we described the more crazy people in insulting terms. Earlier that week we insulted German foreign minister Joschka Fischer, who was not muslim, but had a hardon for Arafat, and hated Sharon. Also in that week we awarded the 2005 Idiotarian of the Year Award (Fiskie for short) to none other than the mainstream media’s favorite “peace mom,” the one and only Cindy Sheehan. (also not a muslim)

That there was a yearly self induced death toll at the hajj (located in the only completely religious separation city in the world that I know of) brought out some strong feelings. It was decided long before that ignoring the idiots would be a way to make them go away. Often these kind of comments were plants. Did some people go over the top? Sure, but they were the exception and not the rule.

I'm not asking for a story.

Yes or No?

From what I'm hearing so far it's "No" do I read you right?

626 Buck  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:32:43pm

My defending this site against this sort of characterization goes back a long way:

[Link: professorkim.blogspot.com...]

From 2004


Mixed in with those, though, have been some more thoughtful responses defending Charles Johnson, the "righteous gentile" (their words) editor of LGF. Particularly intriguing is this, from LGF reader Buck Macklin:

"A sizeable amount of the hate speech posted are by people who oppose Charles, and want to plant evidence against him. The regulars all know it as a 'Moby'. What's a "moby?" Someone who is following the advice of techno-pop star Moby to plant items that are likely to alienate supporters. We know that people write the nonsense (call for genocide etc.) you refer to. It doesn't mean that Charles calls for it. The people who post this slime are usually denounced by the regulars. When they are not denounced, it is because we are tired of it, and just GAZE."


627 Buck  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:44:53pm

re: #625 jamesfirecat

I'm not asking for a story.

Yes or No?

From what I'm hearing so far it's "No" do I read you right?

No, I consider the characterization to be a dishonest smear. I think cherry picking a handful of comments out of over two million to be nothing short of intellectual dishonesty.

I felt that way then, and I feel that way now.

628 jamesfirecat  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 6:48:46pm

re: #627 Buck

No, I consider the characterization to be a dishonest smear. I think cherry picking a handful of comments out of over two million to be nothing short of intellectual dishonesty.

I felt that way then, and I feel that way now.

Okay that's fine Buck.

You are entitled to your opinion and I'm not going to argue against your feelings since you've made it clear they can't be changed.

Have a pleasant evening and be seeing you.

629 Buck  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:01:13pm

Looking back at that time reminds me that in 2004 This blog won the Best International Washington Post Best Blogs Readers' Choice Award.

And Charles was called Hitler for his trouble.

Well Charles, I think this thread shows that many of your new friends would have joined that awful chorus.

We are certain that none of them would have defended you.

630 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 8:45:36pm

re: #627 Buck

We are certain that none of them would have defended you.

Who's "we"?

631 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 9, 2011 11:36:54pm

re: #620 publicityStunted

In response to the thread Sergey linked, which contained the 3 comments I gave as samples, he said:

So, it appears he doesn't even consider those sample comments (which no one condemned or took issue with in the original thread) to be Islamophobic.

Actually one guy complained about "ghoulish" comments but was rebuffed. And by the way, someone who doesn't find these comments to be Islamophobic is probably an Islamophobe himself.


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