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1 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 7:42:29pm

Why not, they’ll probably get away with it.

Then tax everyone that sticks to the earth.

2 Kragar  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 7:43:02pm

And the GOP response is pending them looking up the big words.

3 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 7:44:45pm

Markey’s got a good turn of phrase, but he’s quite the partisan Democrat. If Republican were to call a redwood three and redwood, he’d call it an elm.

4 freetoken  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 7:45:39pm

re: #1 ggt

And anyone who floats would be called a witch.

5 sagehen  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 7:46:26pm

I know you think he’s joking, but in fact the State of Indiana did once pass a law that declared pi to be 3.2.

en.wikipedia.org

6 Uncle Obdicut  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 7:47:14pm

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

Nope. In this case, he’s pointing out the absurd anti-science platforms of the GOP, which really, actually, demonstrably exist.

It’s time for anyone supporting the GOP to accept that that is what their party stands for. There’s no more room for pretense. The GOP is hostile to science.

7 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 7:47:41pm

re: #5 sagehen

I know you think he’s joking, but in fact the State of Indiana did once pass a law that declared pi to be 3.2.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

I think this is what happens when an Indiana winter goes on too long.

8 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 7:47:47pm

Epic awesomeness from the chick behind.

9 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 7:48:00pm

re: #5 sagehen

I know you think he’s joking, but in fact the State of Indiana did once pass a law that declared pi to be 3.2.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Wiki says they didn’t pass it. It was only a bill.

10 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 7:49:26pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Epic awesomeness from the chick behind.

Smug chick is smug but wtf is around her neck?

11 sagehen  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 7:53:16pm

re: #9 ggt

Wiki says they didn’t pass it. It was only a bill.

Goodness, you’re right.

That’s all better, then.

12 GirlyMan  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 7:55:08pm

As a 30 year, voting-life long registered Republican in the People’s Republic of Maryland who happened to wind up as a scientist making less than $250,000/year, recent events have caused me to feel more like a tool and a fool than a voice. I’m going to remain a registered Republican but I am going to adopt an entirely different strategy when I vote in the primaries.

13 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 7:55:11pm

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

Markey’s got a good turn of phrase, but he’s quite the partisan Democrat. If Republican were to call a redwood three and redwood, he’d call it an elm.

Can I have some proof of this Dark?

14 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 7:56:31pm

Frank Says is appropriate right now:

Some Scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.

15 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 7:57:10pm

re: #12 GirlyMan

As a 30 year, voting-life long registered Republican in the People’s Republic of Maryland who happened to wind up as a scientist making less than $250,000/year, recent events have caused me to feel more like a tool and a fool than a voice. I’m going to remain a registered Republican but I am going to adopt an entirely different strategy when I vote in the primaries.

Wow you and my third college roomate should get together and form a club, I’m 21 years old and you two are the only people from Maryland I’ve met who have been declared Republicans. (Granted its not like I go around asking people’s political stances)

16 Single-handed sailor  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 7:57:33pm

re: #14 SanFranciscoZionist

Upding for Zappa quote.

17 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:02:04pm

re: #12 GirlyMan

As a 30 year, voting-life long registered Republican in the People’s Republic of Maryland who happened to wind up as a scientist making less than $250,000/year, recent events have caused me to feel more like a tool and a fool than a voice. I’m going to remain a registered Republican but I am going to adopt an entirely different strategy when I vote in the primaries.

Would you care to explain your future strategy?

18 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:02:20pm

It’s too bad really. Historically the GOP has been home to some of the most forward thinkers on science. A guy named Teddy Roosevelt comes to mind but there have been others too. Supporting science and reason is not an attack on religion. Some of the best scientific minds: Mendel, Priestley, and others have been men of the cloak and of science at the same time.

19 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:04:39pm

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

Markey’s got a good turn of phrase, but he’s quite the partisan Democrat. If Republican were to call a redwood three and redwood, he’d call it an elm.

That doesn’t change if what he is saying here is true.

20 Single-handed sailor  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:04:42pm

re: #18 HappyWarrior

It’s too bad really. Historically the GOP has been home to some of the most forward thinkers on science. A guy named Teddy Roosevelt comes to mind but there have been others too. Supporting science and reason is not an attack on religion. Some of the best scientific minds: Mendel, Priestley, and others have been men of the cloak and of science at the same time.

The GOP of today is not the GOP of yesterday.

21 Kragar  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:05:40pm

re: #17 Naso Tang

Would you care to explain your future strategy?

Crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and hear the lamentation of the women.

22 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:06:43pm

re: #20 mracb

The GOP of today is not the GOP of yesterday.

Yep, seems that more Republicans would rather listen to a radio show host’s opinion on climate science rather then listen to people who have spent years immersing themselves in scientific research.

23 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:08:14pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

Yep, seems that more Republicans would rather listen to a radio show host’s opinion on climate science rather then listen to people who have spent years immersing themselves in scientific research.

Or actually READ the data and reports themselves. .. .

24 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:08:25pm

re: #18 HappyWarrior

It’s too bad really. Historically the GOP has been home to some of the most forward thinkers on science. A guy named Teddy Roosevelt comes to mind but there have been others too. Supporting science and reason is not an attack on religion. Some of the best scientific minds: Mendel, Priestley, and others have been men of the cloak and of science at the same time.

The GOP used to be home to progressives. Not any more.

25 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:11:52pm

re: #23 ggt

Or actually READ the data and reports themselves. .. .

Yep, I flat out don’t understand the hostility that many in the GOP have to science. I have a memory of Palin mocking fruit fly research. I am not a man of science but it hit me that she was way out of her element criticizing that. Like even I knew with only one semester of college science how important fruit flies were for genetic research.

26 GirlyMan  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:12:29pm

re: #17 Naso Tang

Would you care to explain your future strategy?

The obvious strategy would be to vote for the least generally electable Republican in the primary.

27 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:13:10pm

re: #24 recusancy

The GOP used to be home to progressives. Not any more.

Yep, shit we’ve gone from the Nixon Adminstration creating the EPA and NOAA to Newt Gingrich demanding that hte EPA be abolished.A truly sad regression.

28 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:14:16pm

re: #25 HappyWarrior

Yep, I flat out don’t understand the hostility that many in the GOP have to science. I have a memory of Palin mocking fruit fly research. I am not a man of science but it hit me that she was way out of her element criticizing that. Like even I knew with only one semester of college science how important fruit flies were for genetic research.

It was even better than that, IIRC. She managed to refer to fruit fly research, ‘in Paris, France’.

Ooh la la, fruit flies!

29 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:14:49pm

Rand Paul wants pro-choice toilets.

teehee

30 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:18:53pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

Yep, shit we’ve gone from the Nixon Adminstration creating the EPA and NOAA to Newt Gingrich demanding that hte EPA be abolished.A truly sad regression.

Whoa now. I wouldn’t put Nixon in the progressive category. I was thinking more Lincoln, Teddy. Pre civil rights era when all the conservatives left the dems and the progressives left the GOP.

31 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:19:46pm

re: #30 recusancy

Whoa now. I wouldn’t put Nixon in the progressive category. I was thinking more Lincoln, Teddy. Pre civil rights era when all the conservatives left the dems and the progressives left the GOP.

Nixon was not everything people remember. In his younger, less paranoid, pre-POTUS days, he wasn’t an ogre.

32 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:20:08pm

re: #31 ggt

Nixon was not everything people remember. In his younger, less paranoid, pre-POTUS days, he wasn’t an ogre.

Yes but he wasn’t progressive.

33 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:21:28pm

re: #7 SanFranciscoZionist

I think this is what happens when an Indiana winter goes on too long.

Or when the beer runs out.

34 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:21:59pm

re: #30 recusancy

Whoa now. I wouldn’t put Nixon in the progressive category. I was thinking more Lincoln, Teddy. Pre civil rights era when all the conservatives left the dems and the progressives left the GOP.

I am not saying he was progressive. I am saying we’ve gone from a Republican administration creating the EPA, true to a former Republican speaker of the house demanding its abolishment, also true.

35 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:22:06pm

re: #26 GirlyMan

The obvious strategy would be to vote for the least generally electable Republican in the primary.

You need to practice using sarc tags.

36 sagehen  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:22:39pm

re: #32 recusancy

Yes but he wasn’t progressive.

EPA
OSHA
Affirmative Action
Title IX
Roe v. Wade

He also tried (but failed) for:

universal healthcare
guaranteed minimum income
ERA

I dunno, from my 2011 perspective, that seems pretty progressive to me.

37 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:23:31pm

That was awesome, just awesome.

38 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:26:16pm

re: #31 ggt

Nixon was not everything people remember. In his younger, less paranoid, pre-POTUS days, he wasn’t an ogre.


He’s a complicated figure really. Conservative rhetoric but it seems mostly like moderate to liberal actions. An interesting thing I read in his memoirs was how his father was a strong admirer of Robert “Fighting Bob” LaFolliate, one of the most prominent progressives of hte early 20th century.

39 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:28:12pm

re: #32 recusancy

Yes but he wasn’t progressive.

iirc, the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and/or 1960 were partially the work of Nixon. He was very close to Eisenhower. Personally and professionally.

I read about it in Master of the Senate, the 3rd in the series about LBJ. The author explained how LBJ took it out from under Nixon. They were bitter enemies in the Senate.

There is a whole history I found eye-opening.

40 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:29:26pm

oh lol, the breaking news

BreakingNews

Police raid Sherman Oaks, Calif., home of Charlie Sheen - TMZ

41 Jimmi the Grey  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:30:45pm

Hehehe. That was sweet.

42 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:30:57pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Smug chick is smug but wtf is around her neck?

killer beads.

43 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:30:59pm

re: #32 recusancy

Yes but he wasn’t progressive.

No, but he was the thing he needed to be. Back in the late 40’s, early 50’s the internal Communist threat was real (yes, it was overblown to a great degree and I am not proposing a defense of Joe McCarthy, but there was a threat), and Nixon had an important role in combating that threat. But in so doing he made much of the left hate him for exposing Alger Hiss as a spy.

44 Lidane  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:31:24pm

re: #6 Obdicut

It’s time for anyone supporting the GOP to accept that that is what their party stands for. There’s no more room for pretense. The GOP is hostile to science.

Hostile to science. Hostile to reason. Hostile to women. Hostile to minorities. Hostile to union workers, the middle class, and anyone who makes under $250k a year.

They’re just a really angry party these days. Funny what a black man with an African name can reveal just by winning an election.

45 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:32:33pm

re: #39 ggt

iirc, the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and/or 1960 were partially the work of Nixon. He was very close to Eisenhower. Personally and professionally.

I read about it in Master of the Senate, the 3rd in the series about LBJ. The author explained how LBJ took it out from under Nixon. They were bitter enemies in the Senate.

There is a whole history I found eye-opening.

In 1960, Nixon actually won about a third of the votes cast by black Americans. But after he inaugurated the “Southern Strategy” in 1968, that number fell to 10%.

46 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:34:23pm

re: #40 Stanley Sea

oh lol, the breaking news

BreakingNews

Police raid Sherman Oaks, Calif., home of Charlie Sheen - TMZ

My aunt lives in Sherman Oaks.

47 Lidane  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:34:38pm

re: #36 sagehen

EPA
OSHA
Affirmative Action
Title IX
Roe v. Wade

He also tried (but failed) for:

universal healthcare
guaranteed minimum income
ERA

I dunno, from my 2011 perspective, that seems pretty progressive to me.

Nixon has his issues, but compared to the current GOP, the guy’s a goddamn bleeding heart pinko hippie.

48 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:36:22pm

re: #47 Lidane

Nixon has his issues, but compared to the current GOP, the guy’s a goddamn bleeding heart pinko hippie.

Nixon was personally batshit crazy, but he does demonstrate how far the party has rolled ideologically.

49 Lidane  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:36:47pm

Another thing worth mentioning— Nixon took us off the gold standard. The current GOP hates him for that. He’d be unelectable now.

50 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:37:05pm

re: #46 SanFranciscoZionist

My aunt lives in Sherman Oaks.

I hope she’s at the other end. Or she’s the neighbor with the binoculars and can make some money selling shit to the tabloids.

In other Sheen news:

It started with a Facebook status update. Upset at the media’s coverage of Charlie Sheen, someone took up for American soldiers dying in Afghanistan.

“Charlie Sheen is all over the news because he’s a celebrity drug addict,” it said, “while Andrew Wilfahrt 31, Brian Tabada 21, Rudolph Hizon 22, Chauncy Mays 25, are soldiers who gave their lives this week with no media mention. Please honor them by posting this as your status for a little while.”

The story and the photos of these soldiers are here at CNN

51 sagehen  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:37:33pm

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

In 1960, Nixon actually won about a third of the votes cast by black Americans. But after he inaugurated the “Southern Strategy” in 1968, that number fell to 10%.

And after Reagan kicked off his campaign with a states’ rights speech in Philadelphia MS, Republican share of the black vote fell to single digits where it’s remained ever since.

A few years ago (shortly after Katrina) there was a poll that Bush had 2% approval rating among black voters… in a poll with a 4% margin of error. Somebody wrote “that makes it mathematically possible that more blacks than are alive today disapprove of Bush. Black ghosts are returning for the express purpose of disapproving of George Bush. The sonogram results are ‘we don’t know if it’s a boy or a girl, but it disapproves of George Bush.’”

52 lostlakehiker  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:37:57pm

re: #26 GirlyMan

The obvious strategy would be to vote for the least generally electable Republican in the primary.

That’s a bad idea. What if he wins the presidency? What if Republicans go to voting in the Democratic primary to ensure that the least electable, and in consequence, least sensible, Democrat wins that party’s nomination?
Things are bad enough even when both parties at least try to put their best foot forward. Our problems are serious. Even the best leadership would be a bit at sea. *

Both parties have a duty to try to govern, and failing that, to try to be the loyal opposition, warning against errors that the enthusiasm of the majority may overlook.


Now, back to the thread itself: I love the way Markey pronounced “pile”. As in, steaming pile. Snark snark well done.

*AGW is real and the scale of stuff that must be done to cope with it is daunting. And, on the other hand, our entitlement spending schedule so far outstrips the revenue that can be reasonably expected that, if one projects feasible revenue against currently scheduled spending and does it with “generational” accounting, we show up 50 trillion in the hole. It’s a surrreal number and what it shows is that something must give.

And that’s before taking into account the cost of reacting to, and mitigating, AGW.

53 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:38:24pm

It’s interesting really regarding Nixon and Civil Rights. Jackie Robinson endorsed him in 1960 because he felt he had a better record than Kennedy on the issue. Now, Jackie really liked and admired Nelson Rockefeller but he liked Nixon in 1960. By 1964, he had grown disgusted with the GOP when they nominated Goldwater who he understandably saw as a threat to the Civil Rights campaign. By 1968, Jackie was supporting Humphrey for president. Humphrey was perhaps one of the greatest Civil Rights advocates of all time. I still love hearing his speech at the 1948 DNC where he urges the Democratic Party to leave the darkness of states rights and enter the bright sunshine of human rights. And yes if you’re wondering, HappyWarrior is a tribute to him not Al Smith though I have reasons for liking Al too. Martin Luther King Sr had endorsed Nixon but when the Kennedy brothers arranged to bail out MLK from a jail, he switcehd his support. It’s too bad Nixon did the Southern Strategy. I think he’d be remembered more fondly if he hadn’t done it. A true deal with the devil and I say this a southerner.

54 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:38:32pm

re: #36 sagehen

EPA
OSHA
Affirmative Action
Title IX
Roe v. Wade

He also tried (but failed) for:

universal healthcare
guaranteed minimum income
ERA

I dunno, from my 2011 perspective, that seems pretty progressive to me.

That’s only because the right has been pushing hard on the overton window for the past 37 years. /

55 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:39:33pm

re: #52 lostlakehiker

What if Republicans go to voting in the Democratic primary to ensure that the least electable, and in consequence, least sensible, Democrat wins that party’s nomination?

I remember very well Rush and Hannity telling their listeners to do just that.

56 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:39:34pm

Meytal Cohen - Cowboys From Hell by Pantera
Youtube Video

57 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:40:18pm

re: #51 sagehen

And after Reagan kicked off his campaign with a states’ rights speech in Philadelphia MS, Republican share of the black vote fell to single digits where it’s remained ever since.

A few years ago (shortly after Katrina) there was a poll that Bush had 2% approval rating among black voters… in a poll with a 4% margin of error. Somebody wrote “that makes it mathematically possible that more blacks than are alive today disapprove of Bush. Black ghosts are returning for the express purpose of disapproving of George Bush. The sonogram results are ‘we don’t know if it’s a boy or a girl, but it disapproves of George Bush.’”

It’s that very speech in Mississippi why I will never admire Reagan. Yes, as someone whose family suffered under Communism, I am glad he had a role in the eventual fall of hte USSR but I will never respect him for engaging in that. This wasn’t the 40’s or even the 60’s but 1980 when he did that.

58 Interesting Times  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:41:13pm

re: #54 prononymous

That’s only because the right has been pushing hard on America out the overton window for the past 37 years. /

Fixed.

59 freetoken  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:41:47pm

re: #57 HappyWarrior

Shoring up Nixon’s Southern Strategy. Reagan cemented it so well that now the South is the GOP base.

60 Lidane  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:42:01pm

re: #52 lostlakehiker

What if Republicans go to voting in the Democratic primary to ensure that the least electable, and in consequence, least sensible, Democrat wins that party’s nomination?

The 2008 Democratic primary here in Texas just called. They want you to know that Limbaugh, Hannity and the other howler monkeys on the right encouraged their listeners to do just that, and they did.

61 Lidane  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:42:38pm

BTW, the howler monkeys were encouraging people to vote Clinton, just to fuck with the Dem primaries.

62 Kragar  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:43:39pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

Meytal Cohen - Cowboys From Hell by Pantera

[Video]

Meghan the Metal Queen - Thunderhorse

Youtube Video

63 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:44:02pm

re: #61 Lidane

BTW, the howler monkeys were encouraging people to vote Clinton, just to fuck with the Dem primaries.

If I remember correctly, at first they were going for Obama, thinking he was the more unelectable one, then switching gears and making Clinton the one to vote for.

64 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:44:52pm

I definitely remember them doing. They even had a little name for it. Funny how if Democrats did the same thing in a Republican primary, we’d hear a bunch of crying from those same two guys huh.

65 Lidane  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:45:22pm

re: #63 JasonA

If I remember correctly, at first they were going for Obama, thinking he was the more unelectable one, then switching gears and making Clinton the one to vote for.

When they realized that Obama had the better and more organized ground game, and that he was running circles around the vaunted Clinton machine, they suddenly started pushing for folks to vote for Hillary. It was blatant.

66 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:45:42pm

re: #62 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Chicks are so awesome when they aren’t fighting about stupid shit or wasting money on shoes or shiny bobbles.

67 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:45:47pm

re: #63 JasonA

If I remember correctly, at first they were going for Obama, thinking he was the more unelectable one, then switching gears and making Clinton the one to vote for.

Hateful bigots accidentally helping Obama get elected? LOL, perfect.

68 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:46:05pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

I definitely remember them doing. They even had a little name for it. Funny how if Democrats did the same thing in a Republican primary, we’d hear a bunch of crying from those same two guys huh.

Operation Chaos

69 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:46:41pm

re: #68 JasonA

Operation Chaos

Thanks, had forgotten the name but I definitely as I Said remember it.

70 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:46:45pm

re: #51 sagehen

And after Reagan kicked off his campaign with a states’ rights speech in Philadelphia MS, Republican share of the black vote fell to single digits where it’s remained ever since.

A few years ago (shortly after Katrina) there was a poll that Bush had 2% approval rating among black voters… in a poll with a 4% margin of error. Somebody wrote “that makes it mathematically possible that more blacks than are alive today disapprove of Bush. Black ghosts are returning for the express purpose of disapproving of George Bush. The sonogram results are ‘we don’t know if it’s a boy or a girl, but it disapproves of George Bush.’”

LOL.

71 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:47:44pm

re: #59 freetoken

Shoring up Nixon’s Southern Strategy. Reagan cemented it so well that now the South is the GOP base.

Well, remember that in 1980 the southern startegy was in question. Jimmy Carter had virtually run the table in the south in 1976, so Reagan pushed hard in those states. Giving a speech in Philadelphia, MS that did not denounce the murders that had happened there was not a good idea (IMO) but it was part of an overall effort to win a ‘must-win’ state that was still quite leery of electing Republicans (Mississippi had long borne the GOP a grudge due to Grant and Sherman having waged campaigns of deliberate desolation in that state in 1863-64).

72 Lidane  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:48:31pm

re: #67 prononymous

Hateful bigots accidentally helping Obama get elected? LOL, perfect.

It’s why they’re so pissed off now. All their efforts at gaming the Democratic nomination failed. They wanted Hillary because they could just bring out Lewinsky, Whitewater, and all the Clinton scandals from the 90s and coast to victory. They got a young, organized Barack Obama instead, and they lost.

Oops.

73 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:48:53pm

re: #59 freetoken

Shoring up Nixon’s Southern Strategy. Reagan cemented it so well that now the South is the GOP base.

I think Reagan was able to do what Nixon never could which was get the south to like and trust him. I think many in the south voted Nixon over Humphrey because they thought Herbert was a huge liberal. Plus he still competed with Wallace for votes and support. I think Reagan was able to bring many of hte former Wallace voters in to the Republican Party. I don’t know if Reagan was a racist or not but I do think as a candidate and president he was insensitive to racism.

74 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:49:29pm

Night all!

Have a great evening.

75 lostlakehiker  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:52:28pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

It’s interesting really regarding Nixon and Civil Rights. Jackie Robinson endorsed him in 1960 because he felt he had a better record than Kennedy on the issue. Now, Jackie really liked and admired Nelson Rockefeller but he liked Nixon in 1960. By 1964, he had grown disgusted with the GOP when they nominated Goldwater who he understandably saw as a threat to the Civil Rights campaign. By 1968, Jackie was supporting Humphrey for president. Humphrey was perhaps one of the greatest Civil Rights advocates of all time. I still love hearing his speech at the 1948 DNC where he urges the Democratic Party to leave the darkness of states rights and enter the bright sunshine of human rights. And yes if you’re wondering, HappyWarrior is a tribute to him not Al Smith though I have reasons for liking Al too. Martin Luther King Sr had endorsed Nixon but when the Kennedy brothers arranged to bail out MLK from a jail, he switcehd his support. It’s too bad Nixon did the Southern Strategy. I think he’d be remembered more fondly if he hadn’t done it. A true deal with the devil and I say this a southerner.

Hubert Humphrey made his own deal with the devil to win the nomination. At the convention, “votes” were taken, and recorded as “unanimous”, even as delegates shouted No, No. Delegates were beaten by cops, right on the floor of the convention. It was an unforgivable display of naked thuggery.

Marshal Petain’s service in WW1 does not excuse his later conduct, and nor does anything else Humphrey may have done excuse his convention deal with Daley.

76 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:52:52pm

re: #72 Lidane

It’s why they’re so pissed off now. All their efforts at gaming the Democratic nomination failed. They wanted Hillary because they could just bring out Lewinsky, Whitewater, and all the Clinton scandals from the 90s and coast to victory. They got a young, organized Barack Obama instead, and they lost.

Oops.

Who ran possibly one of the best campaigns you’ll ever see a Democrat run for the presidency. I wasn’t someone who hated or disliked John Kerry in 2004 but the difference between how Obama ran his campaign and Kerry his was night and day. You could really lsee it here in Virginia. You don’t have to agree with the man’s policies or even like him to realize that Obama unlike some of his predecessors as nominees for his party that he saw the big picture.

77 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:54:28pm

re: #73 HappyWarrior

I think Reagan was able to do what Nixon never could which was get the south to like and trust him. I think many in the south voted Nixon over Humphrey because they thought Herbert was a huge liberal. Plus he still competed with Wallace for votes and support. I think Reagan was able to bring many of hte former Wallace voters in to the Republican Party. I don’t know if Reagan was a racist or not but I do think as a candidate and president he was insensitive to racism.

He was definitely something.

78 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:56:57pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

Also, Bob Shrum was kept as far away as possible.

79 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:57:15pm

re: #75 lostlakehiker

Hubert Humphrey made his own deal with the devil to win the nomination. At the convention, “votes” were taken, and recorded as “unanimous”, even as delegates shouted No, No. Delegates were beaten by cops, right on the floor of the convention. It was an unforgivable display of naked thuggery.

Marshal Petain’s service in WW1 does not excuse his later conduct, and nor does anything else Humphrey may have done excuse his convention deal with Daley.

I am not saying the man was a saint or free of fault but he did have a strong record on civil rights for African Americans dating back to his days as mayor of Minneapolis which is why Jackie Robinson endorsed him. I agree what happened in CHciago was shameful and hell I probably would have been a RFK or McCarthy supporter had I been alive then.

80 lostlakehiker  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:58:04pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

Well, remember that in 1980 the southern startegy was in question. Jimmy Carter had virtually run the table in the south in 1976, so Reagan pushed hard in those states. Giving a speech in Philadelphia, MS that did not denounce the murders that had happened there was not a good idea (IMO) but it was part of an overall effort to win a ‘must-win’ state that was still quite leery of electing Republicans (Mississippi had long borne the GOP a grudge due to Grant and Sherman having waged campaigns of deliberate desolation in that state in 1863-64).

War is hell. Grant’s Vicksburg campaign was an epic, and his terms to Pemberton were notably generous. If Mississippi had to cope with some torn up railroads and torched crops in the field, that’s just too bad. Such measures are fully within bounds by any human law of war.

81 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 8:59:26pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

Who ran possibly one of the best campaigns you’ll ever see a Democrat run for the presidency. I wasn’t someone who hated or disliked John Kerry in 2004 but the difference between how Obama ran his campaign and Kerry his was night and day. You could really lsee it here in Virginia. You don’t have to agree with the man’s policies or even like him to realize that Obama unlike some of his predecessors as nominees for his party that he saw the big picture.

He went with a ‘post-ideological’ theme right from the start. He also has a better voice and speaks better than Kerry. He also gets along much better with the public than Kerry did. Kerry’s attempts at things like hunting came across as failed attempts to beat bush at his own game, and he ended up looking like a phony. Obama was more careful in what he did and he ended up looking far more natural and honest.

82 Lidane  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:00:02pm

re: #78 recusancy

Also, Bob Shrum was kept as far away as possible.

Not only that, but obsolete blowhards like Carville were ignored.

Obama had enough sense to surround himself with a campaign team that not only understood the internet, but could leverage it to raise money and get warm bodies on the ground in every state. His was the first truly tech-savvy campaign. It really was brilliantly done.

The guy even bypassed federal matching funds because it would have crippled his fundraising ability. That was unheard of.

83 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:01:47pm

re: #82 Lidane

Yeah, Chris Hughes was a god send.

84 GirlyMan  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:03:06pm

re: #35 Naso Tang

You need to practice using sarc tags.

Yeah, I wasn’t being srcastic.

85 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:03:32pm

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

He went with a ‘post-ideological’ theme right from the start. He also has a better voice and speaks better than Kerry. He also gets along much better with the public than Kerry did. Kerry’s attempts at things like hunting came across as failed attempts to beat bush at his own game, and he ended up looking like a phony. Obama was more careful in what he did and he ended up looking far more natural and honest.

There is definitely that factor. Kerry completely ignored my state is what my point is on a personal level. I don’t think Kerry would have won Virginia but I think he could have done better than Gore in 2000 if he had focused on it. Virginia’s trend from red state to the purple state it is today began in 2001 when we elected Mark Warner.

86 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:04:21pm

re: #80 lostlakehiker

War is hell. Grant’s Vicksburg campaign was an epic, and his terms to Pemberton were notably generous. If Mississippi had to cope with some torn up railroads and torched crops in the field, that’s just too bad. Such measures are fully within bounds by any human law of war.

They are within the rules, though Grant and Sherman went further than that. They destroyed Jackson industry and Sherman later razed Meridian to the ground to eliminate it as a supply depot. Such actions were justified, but they raised a hatred in that state that has never fully gone away. Perhaps because the North didn’t really keep troops in the state long enough after the war. But but really bring equality to Mississippi would have meant occupying the state for decades, and Northerners were unwilling to do that.

87 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:05:15pm

re: #82 Lidane

Not only that, but obsolete blowhards like Carville were ignored.

Obama had enough sense to surround himself with a campaign team that not only understood the internet, but could leverage it to raise money and get warm bodies on the ground in every state. His was the first truly tech-savvy campaign. It really was brilliantly done.

The guy even bypassed federal matching funds because it would have crippled his fundraising ability. That was unheard of.

Yep that and the fact that they were able to understand the youth vote better than any candidate I’ve seen in my lifetime. It didn’t hurt that Obama is a relatively young guy himself but I really think he was able to show himself as really valuing younger voters rather than taking them for granted like many candidates in the past.

88 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:07:21pm

re: #25 HappyWarrior

Yep, I flat out don’t understand the hostility that many in the GOP have to science. I have a memory of Palin mocking fruit fly research. I am not a man of science but it hit me that she was way out of her element criticizing that. Like even I knew with only one semester of college science how important fruit flies were for genetic research.

And her father was a science teacher. And fruit flies have been used in researching DS.

89 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:07:32pm

re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist

Nixon was personally batshit crazy, but he does demonstrate how far the party has rolled ideologically.

I’m thinking he might have also been autistic. There is that photo of him at the beach, walking on the sand in wingtip shoes. Just a thought.

90 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:09:59pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

There is definitely that factor. Kerry completely ignored my state is what my point is on a personal level. I don’t think Kerry would have won Virginia but I think he could have done better than Gore in 2000 if he had focused on it. Virginia’s trend from red state to the purple state it is today began in 2001 when we elected Mark Warner.

And its gone into reverse in the last couple years. I do not expect Obama to win the Old Dominion again in 2012. I think that Virginia will vote gOP even if Sarah Palin was nominated (a willingness to vote for Palin not being a good thing, IMO).

91 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:10:59pm

re: #89 prairiefire

I’m thinking he might have also been autistic. There is that photo of him at the beach, walking on the sand in wingtip shoes. Just a thought.


There are some in the Asperger’s community who suggest he was one of us. Perhaps, that is why he fascinates me, the fact that I may have something in common with him. I don’t know though all and all.

92 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:11:18pm

re: #89 prairiefire

I’m thinking he might have also been autistic. There is that photo of him at the beach, walking on the sand in wingtip shoes. Just a thought.

I think he was too wily to be on the autism spectrum, but I’m no professional.

My grandpa used to walk on the beach in shoes and socks, but he was raised in Kansas, and believe it wasn’t fitting for a grown man to walk around barefoot.

93 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:12:09pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

And its gone into reverse in the last couple years. I do not expect Obama to win the Old Dominion again in 2012. I think that Virginia will vote gOP even if Sarah Palin was nominated (a willingness to vote for Palin not being a good thing, IMO).

He has a 50% approval rating in Virginia and is ahead in the polls for 2012:huffingtonpost.com

94 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:13:15pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

And its gone into reverse in the last couple years. I do not expect Obama to win the Old Dominion again in 2012. I think that Virginia will vote gOP even if Sarah Palin was nominated (a willingness to vote for Palin not being a good thing, IMO).

Depends who they run. You can’t I think realistically use the governor’s election we had last year as a true reflection on Obama. Bob McDonnell ran a great campaign and Creigh Deeds ran an equally craptastic one.

95 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:13:17pm

re: #82 Lidane

Not only that, but obsolete blowhards like Carville were ignored.

Obama had enough sense to surround himself with a campaign team that not only understood the internet, but could leverage it to raise money and get warm bodies on the ground in every state. His was the first truly tech-savvy campaign. It really was brilliantly done.

The guy even bypassed federal matching funds because it would have crippled his fundraising ability. That was unheard of.

One of McCain’s greatest errors, by contrast, was to accept those matching funds. He still would have lost in fundraising, but it wouldn’t have been as bad. However, as one of the architects of McCain-Feingold, he felt accepting matching funds the morally right thing and stuck with it. Too bad he couldn’t have reserved that stubbornness for picking better VP nominee.

96 lostlakehiker  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:13:53pm

re: #44 Lidane

Hostile to science. Hostile to reason. Hostile to women. Hostile to minorities. Hostile to union workers, the middle class, and anyone who makes under $250k a year.

They’re just a really angry party these days. Funny what a black man with an African name can reveal just by winning an election.

Some of those are false. Republicans are mostly middle class whites, and those that aren’t, are mostly lower middle class. Many women are Republican, although not quite the same fraction as men.

And truly, most Republicans are indifferent to Obama’s race. Obama hasn’t made advancing minorities the central focus of his administration—-he’s taken seriously the job of being president of the country, all of it. There are policy reasons enough to gripe about…for all his good intentions, things haven’t exactly worked out great so far.

The eventual nominee tells more about the Republican party than the foamy, chaotic early jockeying for the nomination. Witness the absolute collapse of Pat Buchanan when he tried for the nomination.

97 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:14:59pm

re: #51 sagehen

And after Reagan kicked off his campaign with a states’ rights speech in Philadelphia MS, Republican share of the black vote fell to single digits where it’s remained ever since.

A few years ago (shortly after Katrina) there was a poll that Bush had 2% approval rating among black voters… in a poll with a 4% margin of error. Somebody wrote “that makes it mathematically possible that more blacks than are alive today disapprove of Bush. Black ghosts are returning for the express purpose of disapproving of George Bush. The sonogram results are ‘we don’t know if it’s a boy or a girl, but it disapproves of George Bush.’”

LOL!

98 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:17:11pm

re: #96 lostlakehiker

Some of those are false. Republicans are mostly middle class whites, and those that aren’t, are mostly lower middle class. Many women are Republican, although not quite the same fraction as men.

And truly, most Republicans are indifferent to Obama’s race. Obama hasn’t made advancing minorities the central focus of his administration—-he’s taken seriously the job of being president of the country, all of it. There are policy reasons enough to gripe about…for all his good intentions, things haven’t exactly worked out great so far.

The eventual nominee tells more about the Republican party than the foamy, chaotic early jockeying for the nomination. Witness the absolute collapse of Pat Buchanan when he tried for the nomination.

Advancing minorities would mean he wasn’t taking his job seriously??

99 Lidane  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:18:51pm

re: #96 lostlakehiker

Some of those are false.

Not if you go by the Republican party platform and all the legislation they’ve been proposing lately, no.

Also, anyone who makes under $250k a year and votes Republican is a useful idiot for the rich and nothing more. You’re just voting against your own interests every single time, and telling them that you enjoy being bent over a barrel of oil while the wealthy pass all their tax burdens on to you.

100 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:19:28pm

re: #93 prairiefire

He has a 50% approval rating in Virginia and is ahead in the polls for 2012:[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]

One thing’s for sure, the candidate whoever it is cannot go around and deride NOVA for being more liberal and Democratic. And by the way the truly bad thing about George Allen calling that student a “macaca” wasn’t so much the slur though that was bad, it was how he said “welcome to the real world of Virginia.” The kid who he called that name is a Virginia native, born and raised, attended our public schools and univeristies. He’s part of the changing face of Virginia where there are many children of Asian immigrants. That was why people gave Allen such hell. I see a lot of conservatives and Republicans act like he got railroaded for that. He deserved and earned all the scorn he got for that remark.

101 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:19:37pm

re: #87 HappyWarrior

Yep that and the fact that they were able to understand the youth vote better than any candidate I’ve seen in my lifetime. It didn’t hurt that Obama is a relatively young guy himself but I really think he was able to show himself as really valuing younger voters rather than taking them for granted like many candidates in the past.

Compared to McCain? The debates? hahahaha

102 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:20:11pm

The 8 year anniversary of the invasion of Iraq is coming up.

103 The War TARDIS  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:20:30pm

Sorry to go flying off topic, but has anyone heard of a law the Governor of Michigan was going to sign. When I saw it, I thought something was exaggerated. It involved replacing elected officials or something similar.

104 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:20:44pm

re: #88 moderatelyradicalliberal

And her father was a science teacher. And fruit flies have been used in researching DS.

His science appears that of killing animals to mount.

105 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:20:55pm

re: #101 Stanley Sea

Compared to McCain? The debates? hahahaha

Not just compared to McCain but to past candidates within the Democratic Party itself. But yeah McCain was awful at attracting younger voters.

106 The War TARDIS  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:21:53pm

Unfortuately, I’ll be in lurk mode. I’m right now examining the population patterns of Middle Eastern nations for a prelim of a paper.

107 Lidane  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:22:33pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

But yeah McCain was awful at attracting younger voters.

Contrary to the conventional Republican wisdom, an old white guy and a crazy woman who shouldn’t ever be let anywhere near the nuke codes don’t exactly attract younger voters.

108 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:25:00pm

re: #96 lostlakehiker

Some of those are false. Republicans are mostly middle class whites, and those that aren’t, are mostly lower middle class. Many women are Republican, although not quite the same fraction as men.

And truly, most Republicans are indifferent to Obama’s race. Obama hasn’t made advancing minorities the central focus of his administration—-he’s taken seriously the job of being president of the country, all of it. There are policy reasons enough to gripe about…for all his good intentions, things haven’t exactly worked out great so far.

The eventual nominee tells more about the Republican party than the foamy, chaotic early jockeying for the nomination. Witness the absolute collapse of Pat Buchanan when he tried for the nomination.

True, but before he collapsed, Buchanan managed to hole Bush below the waterline with his convention speech. He should not have been allowed to give that speech and if he tried, booing should have been organized to show that the party did not agree with him. Instead, the GOP came away looking like it tolerated bigoted loons, a problem that has since gotten much worse.

109 Lidane  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:26:28pm

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

Instead, the GOP came away looking like it tolerated bigoted loons, a problem that has since gotten much worse.

The GOP has always tolerated bigoted loons. It’s called the Southern Strategy.

They’re more blatant about it now since Obama took office, but it’s been there for decades.

110 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:27:37pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

Not just compared to McCain but to past candidates within the Democratic Party itself. But yeah McCain was awful at attracting younger voters.

Not really McCain’s fault. He’s north of 70 and slowed in body (but not in mind) by his wounds. Such a man is not going to seem hip or exciting to younger voters. They may admire and respect him, but their favor is likely to go a younger man.

111 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:28:05pm

re: #103 ProLifeLiberal

Sorry to go flying off topic, but has anyone heard of a law the Governor of Michigan was going to sign. When I saw it, I thought something was exaggerated. It involved replacing elected officials or something similar.

I’ve read about it and it’s almost unbelievable. And then I remember he’s a Republican and I totally believe it because Republicans don’t really believe in less government, local control or fiscal responsibility.

112 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:29:05pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

Not really McCain’s fault. He’s north of 70 and slowed in body (but not in mind) by his wounds. Such a man is not going to seem hip or exciting to younger voters. They may admire and respect him, but their favor is likely to go a younger man.

Yeah, it wasn’t. I think though Huckabee or Romney would have had similar hurdles though.

113 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:29:24pm

re: #109 Lidane

The GOP has always tolerated bigoted loons. It’s called the Southern Strategy.

They’re more blatant about it now since Obama took office, but it’s been there for decades.

They’re more blatant about it now because they have an entire news organization laying cover for them. And regular news media will not call them out. They’ll just say “this person said this and this person disagreed”.

114 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:29:34pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

And its gone into reverse in the last couple years. I do not expect Obama to win the Old Dominion again in 2012. I think that Virginia will vote gOP even if Sarah Palin was nominated (a willingness to vote for Palin not being a good thing, IMO).

Several polls have Obama ahead of every rumored GOP candidate and he beats Palin by 20 points in VA.

Yes. He. Will.

115 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:30:37pm

re: #107 Lidane

Contrary to the conventional Republican wisdom, an old white guy and a crazy woman who shouldn’t ever be let anywhere near the nuke codes don’t exactly attract younger voters.

It’s crazy thinking about the generational issue. McCain is the same age as my Dad’s oldest sister and Obama is younger than my mother and close in age to many of my first cousins.

116 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:32:09pm

re: #114 moderatelyradicalliberal

Several polls have Obama ahead of every rumored GOP candidate and he beats Palin by 20 points in VA.

Yes. He. Will.

He’s also a tireless campaigner. He did it for 2 years straight without losing steam. Not a single easy day.

117 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:32:15pm

By the way the funniest part of the GOP primary was seeing Ron Paul fans telling McCAin supporters that their guy was too old. Ron Paul is so old that he was born in FDR’s first term, at least McCain was born after FDR slaughtered poor Alf Landon :).

118 Lidane  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:32:35pm

More brilliance from Caribou Barbie:

On 3-13-11, pull your car off the road and sit there for an hour

Yes, really. I’m sitting here in shock at how utterly stupid and pointless this is. And I’m a liberal— I’ve seen my share of stupid, pointless political stunts. This, however, takes the cake.

119 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:33:32pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

It’s crazy thinking about the generational issue. McCain is the same age as my Dad’s oldest sister and Obama is younger than my mother and close in age to many of my first cousins.

Even if he wins a second term, Obama will be under 55 when he leaves office. He and Bill Clinton will be our most popular and beloved elder statesmen worldwide at the same time. :)

120 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:35:34pm

re: #117 HappyWarrior

By the way the funniest part of the GOP primary was seeing Ron Paul fans telling McCAin supporters that their guy was too old. Ron Paul is so old that he was born in FDR’s first term, at least McCain was born after FDR slaughtered poor Alf Landon :).

It’s the war wounds. Ron Paul does not have the disabilities inflicted on John McCain by shoot-down and by enemy torture. In some ways McCain looks older that he is.

121 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:36:50pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

Yeah, it wasn’t. I think though Huckabee or Romney would have had similar hurdles though.

Huckabee has the further problem of an inability to attract non-evangelical votes in any numbers.

122 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:37:05pm

re: #116 recusancy

He’s also a tireless campaigner. He did it for 2 years straight without losing steam. Not a single easy day.

They are getting their ground game together as we speak. Obama/Biden 2012 will be up an running in every swing state and more before the first GOP primary and maybe before the first real GOP televised debate. It will a bigger juggernaut than it was in 2008, even with the GOP’s corporate money.

123 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:38:37pm

re: #118 Lidane

More brilliance from Caribou Barbie:

On 3-13-11, pull your car off the road and sit there for an hour

Yes, really. I’m sitting here in shock at how utterly stupid and pointless this is. And I’m a liberal— I’ve seen my share of stupid, pointless political stunts. This, however, takes the cake.

[eyeroll] That’s just lame.

124 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:39:12pm

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

It’s the war wounds. Ron Paul does not have the disabilities inflicted on John McCain by shoot-down and by enemy torture. In some ways McCain looks older that he is.

Which made his choice of Palin all the more baffling. McCain and Obama did have one problem in common in that people were nervous about their ages.

125 McSpiff  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:39:13pm

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

It’s the war wounds. Ron Paul does not have the disabilities inflicted on John McCain by shoot-down and by enemy torture. In some ways McCain looks older that he is.

You know, seeing how quickly the presidency ages a young man like Obama really makes me question if McCain would have survived a full term. I think McCain biologically is older than he is chronologically if that makes any sense. Not his fault obviously, for all the reasons you listed.

126 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:39:20pm

Great graph that’s making the rounds.
Image: tlG0Y.jpg

127 Kragar  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:40:16pm

Well, gave up on the priests till I can get the parts I need, so I’ve completed a commissar, 2 more command squads, and gotten started on the bulk of 2 more squads. I probably wont have them ready by Saturday, but definitely by next weekend.

128 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:40:35pm

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

It’s the war wounds. Ron Paul does not have the disabilities inflicted on John McCain by shoot-down and by enemy torture. In some ways McCain looks older that he is.

I agree but I think the Paul fans really didn’t know the difference. I was actually standing up for McCain. I could not stand Ron Paul supporters in 2008 and to be honest, I still can’t. I’ve never met a group of people who lack understanding of foreign policy more in my life. Plus I hate being called a sheep because I don’t think Bob Taftian isolationism works.

129 APox  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:41:06pm

re: #122 moderatelyradicalliberal

They are getting their ground game together as we speak. Obama/Biden 2012 will be up an running in every swing state and more before the first GOP primary and maybe before the first real GOP televised debate. It will a bigger juggernaut than it was in 2008, even with the GOP’s corporate money.


Don’t even know why it matters… I really wish people would just open their eyes, if they did, then an Obama logo that goes something like this:

“Vote for me, because I’m not an idiot”

Would make a lot of sense. I still have yet to see Republicans do anything of any value or worth for this country. Anything. At. All..

Even reducing the budget they have failed at, instead using the “budget decrease” as a way to reduce worker/citizens rights…. And yet… Obama.. is the bad guy. It blows my mind.

130 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:41:24pm

re: #125 McSpiff

You know, seeing how quickly the presidency ages a young man like Obama really makes me question if McCain would have survived a full term. I think McCain biologically is older than he is chronologically if that makes any sense. Not his fault obviously, for all the reasons you listed.

I think McCain’s age was a bigger problem for him than Obama’s race ever was. It was unspoken, but even a lot of old people were nervous about whether McCain would die and leave Palin in charge.

131 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:42:27pm

re: #125 McSpiff

You know, seeing how quickly the presidency ages a young man like Obama really makes me question if McCain would have survived a full term. I think McCain biologically is older than he is chronologically if that makes any sense. Not his fault obviously, for all the reasons you listed.

Yes, I do understand what you mean. I think McCain would have survived, as he is strong of character and was raised and trained to lead. But it was a worry, and it made the question of Palin all the more important.

132 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:42:56pm

re: #129 APox

Don’t even know why it matters… I really wish people would just open their eyes, if they did, then an Obama logo that goes something like this:

“Vote for me, because I’m not an idiot”

Would make a lot of sense. I still have yet to see Republicans do anything of any value or worth for this country. Anything. At. All..

Even reducing the budget they have failed at, instead using the “budget decrease” as a way to reduce worker/citizens rights… And yet… Obama.. is the bad guy. It blows my mind.

I was actually thinking that just a bit ago. What is a conservative policy that’s been implemented that has benefited this country in any way? Seriously.

133 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:44:03pm

re: #129 APox

Don’t even know why it matters… I really wish people would just open their eyes, if they did, then an Obama logo that goes something like this:

“Vote for me, because I’m not an idiot”

Would make a lot of sense. I still have yet to see Republicans do anything of any value or worth for this country. Anything. At. All..

Even reducing the budget they have failed at, instead using the “budget decrease” as a way to reduce worker/citizens rights… And yet… Obama.. is the bad guy. It blows my mind.

This is why Team Obama can’t bullshit. People will vote for idiots, because many are idiots themselves. How smart do you think some people are feeling after how they voted (or didn’t vote at all) in 2010 in Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan and Florida right now?

134 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:46:50pm

Had the crap scared out of me tonight. A failed car-jacking (at least that’s what I thought it was). I was at a park and ride getting some of my stuff out of my dead-ass battery car. Dude approached my car, wearing a camaflouge hoodie, asked me to roll down my window (I thought he was going to ask me if I needed a jump) as I did, he quickly reached into his hoodie.

I stomped on the gas like I was a person who drove fast.

Not sure if you guys know this… Fat scared guys sweat. Hour ago, still a bit anxious.

135 The War TARDIS  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:47:05pm

re: #133 moderatelyradicalliberal

Yeah, considering the fact that Michigan is starting a slide to something very, very unamerican politically. So the story is true?

136 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:47:17pm

re: #133 moderatelyradicalliberal

This is why Team Obama can’t bullshit. People will vote for idiots, because many are idiots themselves. How smart do you think some people are feeling after how they voted (or didn’t vote at all) in 2010 in Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan and Florida right now?

In Ohio I’d say they’re OK with their votes. Kaisch got his bill passed with fairly little fuss, while Walker got bogged down. Walker has finally won the battle, but he lost a good bit of political capital in doing so. He’ll need to work hard to rebuild it and he needs to show economic growth and a balanced budget.

137 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:47:55pm

re: #135 ProLifeLiberal

Yeah, considering the fact that Michigan is starting a slide to something very, very unamerican politically. So the story is true?

What story?

138 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:48:08pm

re: #135 ProLifeLiberal

Yeah, considering the fact that Michigan is starting a slide to something very, very unamerican politically. So the story is true?

What? I’m in Michigan.

139 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:50:26pm

re: #118 Lidane

More brilliance from Caribou Barbie:

On 3-13-11, pull your car off the road and sit there for an hour

Yes, really. I’m sitting here in shock at how utterly stupid and pointless this is. And I’m a liberal— I’ve seen my share of stupid, pointless political stunts. This, however, takes the cake.

Well…this is right up there with turning on all the lights on Earth Day, just to annoy people.

140 The War TARDIS  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:50:30pm

re: #137 Dark_Falcon

If I read the story correctly, it said that the Governor can fire an elected official and appoint a replacement. Good enough reason for me to become even more vicious against republicans. ModeratelyRadicalLiberal seems to have heard the same story.

I’m going to stick with my comparison yesterday: The Republicans have become a Christian version of the Muslim Brotherhood.

141 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:51:05pm

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

In Ohio I’d say they’re OK with their votes. Kaisch got his bill passed with fairly little fuss, while Walker got bogged down. Walker has finally won the battle, but he lost a good bit of political capital in doing so. He’ll need to work hard to rebuild it and he needs to show economic growth and a balanced budget.

There’s been plenty of fuss in Ohio. It’s just not the leading national story the way WI is. Do you have any polling to prove you’re gut feeling?

142 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:51:35pm

re: #125 McSpiff

You know, seeing how quickly the presidency ages a young man like Obama really makes me question if McCain would have survived a full term. I think McCain biologically is older than he is chronologically if that makes any sense. Not his fault obviously, for all the reasons you listed.

His body’s been to hell and back. It does age a man.

OTOH, he’s tougher than hell. I didn’t think it was improper for him to run at his age, but I did expect a better VP pick.

143 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:51:50pm

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

In Ohio I’d say they’re OK with their votes. Kaisch got his bill passed with fairly little fuss, while Walker got bogged down. Walker has finally won the battle, but he lost a good bit of political capital in doing so. He’ll need to work hard to rebuild it and he needs to show economic growth and a balanced budget.

Ohio didn’t need the quorum and many of the GOP legislatures flat out lied to the police and firefighters in surveys about collective bargaining and they are furious. They pissed of people who actually voted for them and it doesn’t help the Kaisch is on tape calling a a police officer stupid 3 times. As for Walker, he will never rebuild his image and the recalls are coming. Walker insured that Obama will win Wisconsin with or without the help of organized labor.

144 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:52:12pm

re: #140 ProLifeLiberal

If I read the story correctly, it said that the Governor can fire an elected official and appoint a replacement. Good enough reason for me to become even more vicious against republicans. ModeratelyRadicalLiberal seems to have heard the same story.

I’m going to stick with my comparison yesterday: The Republicans have become a Christian version of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Do you have a link to that story? I’ve seen a lot of people pissed at Snyder here but I haven’t seen that.

145 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:52:30pm

re: #134 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Had the crap scared out of me tonight. A failed car-jacking (at least that’s what I thought it was). I was at a park and ride getting some of my stuff out of my dead-ass battery car. Dude approached my car, wearing a camaflouge hoodie, asked me to roll down my window (I thought he was going to ask me if I needed a jump) as I did, he quickly reached into his hoodie.

I stomped on the gas like I was a person who drove fast.

Not sure if you guys know this… Fat scared guys sweat. Hour ago, still a bit anxious.

Oh, jeez. Glad you’re OK.

{{FBV}}

146 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:53:19pm

re: #141 recusancy

There’s been plenty of fuss in Ohio. It’s just not the leading national story the way WI is. Do you have any polling to prove you’re gut feeling?

There’s been fuss, but the win was quicker and legally non-controversial. That’ll give Kaisch a chance to move on and build popularity.

147 The War TARDIS  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:53:40pm

re: #118 Lidane

If her followers actually do this, traffic accidents will skyrocket.

re: #142 SanFranciscoZionist

When I heard someone state Ron Paul’s age, I was shocked. I’m amazed that he is that old. My grandfather, born around the same time, looks older than him.

148 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:54:11pm

I wonder who he could have chosen that was both reasonable and acceptable to the base. I am not someone who thinks he could have realistically chosen Joe Lieberman or even Tom Ridge but I think he could have gone a lot better than Palin. Palin just looked way out of her element and frankly still does.

149 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:54:19pm

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

There’s been fuss, but the win was quicker and legally non-controversial. That’ll give Kaisch a chance to move on and build popularity.

Wow. So the bar is set at whether is was legal or not.

150 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:54:25pm

re: #118 Lidane

More brilliance from Caribou Barbie:

On 3-13-11, pull your car off the road and sit there for an hour

Yes, really. I’m sitting here in shock at how utterly stupid and pointless this is. And I’m a liberal— I’ve seen my share of stupid, pointless political stunts. This, however, takes the cake.

NO. FUCKING. WAY.

omg, what a crock

151 The War TARDIS  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:54:54pm

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

While driving Ohio into the 19th Century. At what point will the Union-busting be enough for you? When we get back to late 1800’s conditions?

152 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:56:20pm

Other than wasting your time, what does pulling over accomplish.

(Also, I doubt anyone with small kids will try this. Have you ever tried to sit in an unmoving car with a 2 year old for an hour?)

153 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:56:33pm

re: #151 ProLifeLiberal

While driving Ohio into the 19th Century. At what point will the Union-busting be enough for you? When we get back to late 1800’s conditions?

It’s what happens when you hire a Fox News host.

154 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:57:33pm

re: #152 EmmmieG

Other than wasting your time, what does pulling over accomplish.

(Also, I doubt anyone with small kids will try this. Have you ever tried to sit in an unmoving car with a 2 year old for an hour?)

I look forward to it. Get all the wingnuts off the roads. Cut down on traffic for an hour. I hope every one of them follows through.

155 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:57:35pm

re: #152 EmmmieG

Other than wasting your time, what does pulling over accomplish.

(Also, I doubt anyone with small kids will try this. Have you ever tried to sit in an unmoving car with a 2 year old for an hour?)

It’s DANGEROUS to be on the side of the road.

Someone will be hurt and Palin will record a 18 minute “I’m the victim” speech.

Gah.

156 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:57:45pm

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

There’s been fuss, but the win was quicker and legally non-controversial. That’ll give Kaisch a chance to move on and build popularity.

Not with any union voters. The GOP got about the same amount of union voters than the Democrats in 2010. That won’t happen again. He’s made enemies with the firefighters and the police after they supported him. They can’t deal with Kaisch in 2012, but Obama winning OH just got a lot easier.

157 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:58:42pm

re: #155 Stanley Sea

It’s DANGEROUS to be on the side of the road.

Someone will be hurt and Palin will record a 18 minute “I’m the victim” speech.

Gah.

I’m in Oregon. It’s now illegal to hold a cell phone and drive, so we see people pulling over.

It’s annoying when they think they have a shoulder, and don’t, and block traffic.

Some places you have to find a parking lot.

158 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:58:42pm

re: #151 ProLifeLiberal

While driving Ohio into the 19th Century. At what point will the Union-busting be enough for you? When we get back to late 1800’s conditions?

Haven’t I answered this one enough?! My opposition is to public sector unions. I’ve never had a problem with private sector unions. I may at times oppose their actions, but I do support their right to exist and collectively bargain. I’m favoriting this post and will just link to it the next time this comes up.

159 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:58:44pm

re: #118 Lidane

More brilliance from Caribou Barbie:

On 3-13-11, pull your car off the road and sit there for an hour

Yes, really. I’m sitting here in shock at how utterly stupid and pointless this is. And I’m a liberal— I’ve seen my share of stupid, pointless political stunts. This, however, takes the cake.

OK, that really made my night.

hoo boy

160 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:59:33pm

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

Haven’t I answered this one enough?! My opposition is to public sector unions. I’ve never had a problem with private sector unions. I may at times oppose their actions, but I do support their right to exist and collectively bargain. I’m favoriting this post and will just link to it the next time this comes up.

So you are against Mitch Daniels I assume.

161 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 9:59:53pm

re: #156 moderatelyradicalliberal

Not with any union voters. The GOP got about the same amount of union voters than the Democrats in 2010. That won’t happen again. He’s made enemies with the firefighters and the police after they supported him. They can’t deal with Kaisch in 2012, but Obama winning OH just got a lot easier.

I know Walker’s bill did not apply to police and fire. Did Kaisch’s bill so apply?

162 The War TARDIS  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:00:15pm

I just saw this on the Al-Jazeera live blog. This may be cause for war against Libya for several African nations, and may be reason enough for more aggressive action.

7:36am Gaddafi has forced foreign migrants to fight in the ranks of the Libyan forces that remain loyal to him, according to the International Federation for Human Rights (FIDH) and the Libyan League for Human Rights (LLHR).

Thousands of migrants from other African countries have been sent to the front line or used as human shield for Libyan soldiers, they say.

“The life of African migrants in Libya is under real threat,” Sliman Bouchuiguir, the LLHR’s general-secretary, said.

He called on the UN Security Council to intervene to stop the practice, arguing that it violates basic migrant rights under international law

163 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:00:19pm

Earthquake in Japan 7.9

164 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:00:45pm

re: #160 recusancy

So you are against Mitch Daniels I assume.

Eh? His union bill got pulled, last I heard.

165 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:01:53pm

Now this sounds like a good, safe, economically and environmentally sound idea. ///

littlegreenfootballs.com

166 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:01:56pm

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

I know Walker’s bill did not apply to police and fire. Did Kaisch’s bill so apply?

Yes his applied to police and fire.

167 The War TARDIS  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:02:13pm

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

Well, the Republicans will start after the private unions soon, so I would like to see you put your money where your mouth is.

168 The War TARDIS  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:02:31pm

re: #163 Stanley Sea

That’s gonna hurt. Where exactly?

169 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:03:11pm

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

Haven’t I answered this one enough?! My opposition is to public sector unions. I’ve never had a problem with private sector unions. I may at times oppose their actions, but I do support their right to exist and collectively bargain. I’m favoriting this post and will just link to it the next time this comes up.

The GOP hates private sector unions too and the private sector union members have their eyes wide open. They have no reason to believe they aren’t next after the public sector unions were betrayed by Republicans who promised to support public unions, like the police and firefighters in Ohio. Unions still matter in the upper Midwestern swing states and the GOP has lost them.

170 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:03:15pm

re: #166 recusancy

Yes his applied to police and fire.

Don’t know why he’d do that. Seems like biting the hand that feeds you.

171 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:03:36pm

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

I know Walker’s bill did not apply to police and fire. Did Kaisch’s bill so apply?

Does it matter? Walker’s bill didn’t make him any friends with police and fire. You know why? They aren’t stupid and they don’t appreciate the attempt to pit them against their union brethren.

172 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:04:06pm

re: #167 ProLifeLiberal

Well, the Republicans will start after the private unions soon, so I would like to see you put your money where your mouth is.

Daniels in IN is already going after private sector unions. He decertified public unions the day after he took office.

173 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:04:33pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

Don’t know why he’d do that. Seems like biting the hand that feeds you.

What does that mean?

174 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:04:39pm

re: #169 moderatelyradicalliberal

The GOP hates private sector unions too and the private sector union members have their eyes wide open. They have no reason to believe they aren’t next after the public sector unions were betrayed by Republicans who promised to support public unions, like the police and firefighters in Ohio. Unions still matter in the upper Midwestern swing states and the GOP has lost them.

Yep, I’ve seen a lot of nastiness directed at SEIU for their attempts to organize cafeteria workers at college campuses.

175 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:04:49pm

re: #167 ProLifeLiberal

Well, the Republicans will start after the private unions soon, so I would like to see you put your money where your mouth is.

We’ll see. That won’t happen soon, though. A hornets nest was stirred up and the state governments are going to move onto other issues for the next couple years.

176 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:06:01pm

re: #173 recusancy

What does that mean?

It means that reducing organizations that support you will get you a reputation for being disloyal.

177 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:07:18pm

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

It means that reducing organizations that support you will get you a reputation for being disloyal.

So you have a problem with him doing this against organizations that support republicans?

178 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:08:30pm

re: #177 recusancy

So you have a problem with him doing this against organizations that support republicans?

It’s politically unwise, I’ll say that.

179 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:10:03pm

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

It’s politically unwise, I’ll say that.

So you are strictly a partisan. This is all about destroying orgs that support dems and keeping ones that support repubs? All your talk about how unions are bad for fiscal policy is just a sham?

180 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:11:53pm

If I recall, the Air Traffic Controllers union who Reagan fired the members of when they striked was one that had supported him. I bring that up because of politicians going against unions that supported them and having briefly worked in the Dulles ATC tower as an intern back one summer in high school. I did office work for the twoer but I got a first hand look on how hard those guys work. And one of my cousin’s works with them too helping them learn how to get planes to land.

181 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:12:38pm

re: #179 recusancy

So you are strictly a partisan. This is all about destroying orgs that support dems and keeping ones that support repubs? All your talk about how unions are bad for fiscal policy is just a sham?

Don’t put words in my mouth. I’m not going to provide a full explanation right now. It’s after midnight here and I’m too tired for that.

182 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:14:01pm

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

Don’t put words in my mouth. I’m not going to provide a full explanation right now. It’s after midnight here and I’m too tired for that.

Should there be unions for firefighters and police?

183 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:14:25pm

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

I know Walker’s bill did not apply to police and fire. Did Kaisch’s bill so apply?

Yes it did. Kaisch didn’t exclude firefighters or police. The unions are pissed because they have it it in writing from many GOP legislators who promised to not vote to take away their collective bargaining rights and they were betrayed. They won’t forget during the next election and neither will their family members. I don’t care who the GOP nominee is in 2012, Obama will win Ohio along with any Democrat who promises to fight to repeal Kaisch’s bill.

balloon-juice.com

Mystery Solved

We’ve had a good discussion in the comments on why union members vote for Republicans, because a lot of union members do, in fact, vote for Republicans.

We had complicated theories on why they might do that.

We may have given Republicans too much credit and union members not enough credit.

Turns out, in Ohio, some union members voted for Republicans because Republicans assured those union members that they supported collective bargaining:

An Ohio Senate panel approved the 99-page amendment to Senate Bill 5 on Wednesday. The committee began the hearing without one of its most vocal critics: state Sen. Bill Seitz, R-Cincinnati. Seitz was replaced on the 12-member committee by Hite, R-Findlay.

Hite was one of eight Republican senators called out in a newspaper ad this week paid for by Ohio cops and firefighters as a lawmaker who told the Ohio Fraternal Order of Police that he supports collective bargaining.

Here’s what the Republican Senator who just voted “yes” on an amendment to end collective bargaining wrote to cops and firefighters when he was running:

“Collective bargaining has come under attack by some of my colleagues. However, I do believe when it comes to those who protect and defend us without the ability to go on strike, collective bargaining becomes a vital and important aspect of the negotiating process,” Hite wrote in a FOP questionnaire. “Therefore, in your particular case, I defend the collective bargaining process.”

Not so complicated after all. They were asked, specifically, about collective bargaining on candidate questionnaires and they simply lied.

184 The War TARDIS  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:15:39pm

Frankly, as a result of bitterness, I’ve become incredibly aggressive in debating. This is why I usually post of Foreign Policy, where I come off as more conservative, because I’m afraid of pushing to far. I will attack a person if they say they are religious and want to cut aid to the poor. Usually along the track that they are a disgrace to their religion, or if they are Abrahamic in beliefs, then a disgrace to God. In any case recent issues have increase my bitterness, and have made my agruments even more agressive.

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

I’d prefer to hear it now. I want to see the arguement you use for having such radically different positions for 2 different groups. Call me cynical, but I’m expecting partisanship.

185 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:15:54pm

re: #183 moderatelyradicalliberal

Yes it did. Kaisch didn’t exclude firefighters or police. The unions are pissed because they have it it in writing from many GOP legislators who promised to not vote to take away their collective bargaining rights and they were betrayed. They won’t forget during the next election and neither will their family members. I don’t care who the GOP nominee is in 2012, Obama will win Ohio along with any Democrat who promises to fight to repeal Kaisch’s bill.

[Link: www.balloon-juice.com…]

Mystery Solved

If I recall we have a union firefighter that posts here on LGF that is furious with Kasich for what’s happened there. I don’t blame the guy. THose guys put their sases on the line everyday and Kasich’s thank you is taking away their right to collectively bargain. I’d be pissed too.

186 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:16:43pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

But but but… the budget!!!

187 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:17:07pm

re: #168 ProLifeLiberal

That’s gonna hurt. Where exactly?

I just saw “Northern”

188 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:17:08pm

re: #184 ProLifeLiberal

Frankly, as a result of bitterness, I’ve become incredibly aggressive in debating. This is why I usually post of Foreign Policy, where I come off as more conservative, because I’m afraid of pushing to far. I will attack a person if they say they are religious and want to cut aid to the poor. Usually along the track that they are a disgrace to their religion, or if they are Abrahamic in beliefs, then a disgrace to God. In any case recent issues have increase my bitterness, and have made my agruments even more agressive.

I’d prefer to hear it now. I want to see the arguement you use for having such radically different positions for 2 different groups. Call me cynical, but I’m expecting partisanship.

You should let go of the bitterness. It’s not healthy.

I’m not joking.

189 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:17:16pm

Sorry, but I’m not going to stay and debate. I have to be up at 6am, so i really must go to bed.

Sleep well.

190 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:17:22pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

Don’t know why he’d do that. Seems like biting the hand that feeds you.

Exactly. Which is why he isn’t doing OK like you seem to think he is. He did bite the hand that feed him and he won’t regain popularity with them. Kasich has made serious enemies and the TPers won’t be able save him or his party in OH.

191 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:17:41pm

re: #184 ProLifeLiberal

Frankly, as a result of bitterness, I’ve become incredibly aggressive in debating. This is why I usually post of Foreign Policy, where I come off as more conservative, because I’m afraid of pushing to far. I will attack a person if they say they are religious and want to cut aid to the poor. Usually along the track that they are a disgrace to their religion, or if they are Abrahamic in beliefs, then a disgrace to God. In any case recent issues have increase my bitterness, and have made my agruments even more agressive.

I’d prefer to hear it now. I want to see the arguement you use for having such radically different positions for 2 different groups. Call me cynical, but I’m expecting partisanship.

I’m with you on the aggressiveness. I’m finding it harder and harder to be polite. I guess this is how radicalization starts.

192 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:18:17pm

re: #189 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, but I’m not going to stay and debate. I have to be up at 6am, so i really must go to bed.

Sleep well.

Just answer do you think there should be fire and police unions? Yes or no?

193 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:18:19pm

re: #171 goddamnedfrank

Does it matter? Walker’s bill didn’t make him any friends with police and fire. You know why? They aren’t stupid and they don’t appreciate the attempt to pit them against their union brethren.

And they know their next.

194 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:20:37pm

shannynmoore Shannyn Moore

RT @W7VOA: #Tsunami sinking trucks at port in Iwate-ken. #Japan

195 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:20:57pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

If I recall we have a union firefighter that posts here on LGF that is furious with Kasich for what’s happened there. I don’t blame the guy. THose guys put their sases on the line everyday and Kasich’s thank you is taking away their right to collectively bargain. I’d be pissed too.

Is that the guy who asked his fellow firefighters who were happy about the GOP winning in 2012 if they would be happy if OH became a right to work state? If so he was right.

196 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:22:53pm

re: #194 Stanley Sea

shannynmoore Shannyn Moore

RT @W7VOA: #Tsunami sinking trucks at port in Iwate-ken. #Japan

That Re-tweet was originated with:

Voice of America (VOA) Bureau Chief/Correspondent, based in Seoul, mainly covering NE Asia (Korean peninsula & Japan). tvtokyo.com

197 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:23:10pm

re: #195 moderatelyradicalliberal

Is that the guy who asked his fellow firefighters who were happy about the GOP winning in 2012 if they would be happy if OH became a right to work state? If so he was right.

He’s nick is something like rmldo or something along those lines.. I can’t remember it.

198 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:23:22pm

re: #195 moderatelyradicalliberal

Is that the guy who asked his fellow firefighters who were happy about the GOP winning in 2012 if they would be happy if OH became a right to work state? If so he was right.

Yeah, that’s him. He’s spoken very strongly on this issue and you can really read how frustrated he is. As I said, I don’t blame him. My brother’s best friend’s dad is a firefighter and was a 1st responder at the Pentagon. Those guys have a lot of guts and courage.

199 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:23:34pm

re: #196 Stanley Sea

That Re-tweet was originated with:

Voice of America (VOA) Bureau Chief/Correspondent, based in Seoul, mainly covering NE Asia (Korean peninsula & Japan). [Link: tvtokyo.com…]

Click that link, live updates.

200 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:24:45pm

re: #192 recusancy

Just answer do you think there should be fire and police unions? Yes or no?

DF apparently didn’t know that Kasich went after cops and firefighters in OH. This has probably put a lot on his mind and he is no longer confident about the GOP’s recent wins against the unions working out for them long term. He knows they screwed the pooch now. The GOP can’t win in OH and without at least 40% of union households voting for them they won’t. He won’t admit it, but the light just came on.

201 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:25:07pm

I love twitter. Never has the news been so fast and close.

202 APox  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:25:14pm

I find it comical that anyone votes for the Republican party with the idea that they somehow represent the “workers”

….

I mean….. really?

203 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:26:12pm

We’re getting our first confirmations of casualties from Miyagi-ken. #Japan #quake

204 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:27:50pm

Holy shit

BreakingNews Breaking News

Japan update: USGS upgrades quake measure to 8.8 magnitude

205 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:28:15pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

Yeah, that’s him. He’s spoken very strongly on this issue and you can really read how frustrated he is. As I said, I don’t blame him. My brother’s best friend’s dad is a firefighter and was a 1st responder at the Pentagon. Those guys have a lot of guts and courage.

He’s rightfully pissed off. Public workers provide vital services and they don’t deserve to be treated the way they have by politicians or other working people who are too chicken shit to stick up for themselves to get better pay and benefits and hate on those that do. I could be wrong, but the GOP has finally managed to offend and damage people who used to be inclined to vote for them half the time, but no more. I used to think the GOP only had a knack for turning minorities into lifelong Democrats.

206 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:28:55pm

re: #204 Stanley Sea

Holy shit

BreakingNews Breaking News

Japan update: USGS upgrades quake measure to 8.8 magnitude

Jesus, that’s a big quake!

207 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:29:01pm

re: #132 recusancy

I was actually thinking that just a bit ago. What is a conservative policy that’s been implemented that has benefited this country in any way? Seriously.

I still want someone to answer this. What is a conservative policy that’s been implemented that has benefited this country in any way?

208 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:30:48pm

re: #206 moderatelyradicalliberal

Jesus, that’s a big quake!

It is. I was around for Loma Prieta in 1989. That was bad enough, and that was a 6.9.

209 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:30:55pm

re: #204 Stanley Sea

Holy shit

BreakingNews Breaking News

Japan update: USGS upgrades quake measure to 8.8 magnitude

Yikes, that’s really horrible.

210 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:31:03pm

re: #207 recusancy

I still want someone to answer this. What is a conservative policy that’s been implemented that has benefited this country in any way?

I want the Democrats should run on that.

“Name one GOP policy in the last 20 years that has benefited Americans who weren’t rich already?”

211 The War TARDIS  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:31:25pm

re: #204 Stanley Sea

That’s the definition of Not Good. I’m guessing the News will be spazzing (maybe justifiably) about a Tsunami. 8.8 is very serious business. As if things weren’t bad enough in the world already.

Qatar is now funneling arms to the Rebels in Libya supposedly.

212 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:32:13pm

re: #208 SanFranciscoZionist

It is. I was around for Loma Prieta in 1989. That was bad enough, and that was a 6.9.

Data:

earthquake.usgs.gov

213 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:32:28pm

re: #207 recusancy

I still want someone to answer this. What is a conservative policy that’s been implemented that has benefited this country in any way?

What defines ‘conservative policy’ in this case?

214 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:32:41pm

re: #211 ProLifeLiberal

That’s the definition of Not Good. I’m guessing the News will be spazzing (maybe justifiably) about a Tsunami. 8.8 is very serious business. As if things weren’t bad enough in the world already.

Qatar is now funneling arms to the Rebels in Libya supposedly.

The quake was 10k off the coast so it’ll only be the tsunami that they’ll have to deal with. Granted that’s not nothing.

215 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:32:51pm

re: #209 prononymous

Yikes, that’s really horrible.

It was off the coast—I expect tsunami alerts are up.

216 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:33:51pm

re: #213 SanFranciscoZionist

What defines ‘conservative policy’ in this case?

Anything if you can explain why it’s conservative.

217 The War TARDIS  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:34:06pm

re: #215 SanFranciscoZionist

Anything for the US?

218 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:34:13pm

re: #215 SanFranciscoZionist

It was off the coast—I expect tsunami alerts are up.

More data:

earthquake.usgs.gov

219 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:36:03pm

re: #212 austin_blue

Data:

[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov…]

I think that 8.8 tweet hasn’t been confirmed. I’m seeing 7.9 still

220 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:36:08pm

More:

wcatwc.arh.noaa.gov

221 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:36:16pm

re: #217 ProLifeLiberal

Anything for the US?

EVALUATION
BASED ON ALL AVAILABLE DATA A TSUNAMI MAY HAVE BEEN GENERATED BY
THIS EARTHQUAKE THAT COULD BE DESTRUCTIVE ON COASTAL AREAS EVEN
FAR FROM THE EPICENTER. AN INVESTIGATION IS UNDERWAY TO DETERMINE
IF THERE IS A TSUNAMI THREAT TO HAWAII.
IF TSUNAMI WAVES IMPACT HAWAII THE ESTIMATED EARLIEST ARRIVAL OF
THE FIRST TSUNAMI WAVE IS
0259 AM HST FRI 11 MAR 2011
MESSAGES WILL BE ISSUED HOURLY OR SOONER AS CONDITIONS WARRANT

222 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:36:26pm

re: #219 Stanley Sea

I think that 8.8 tweet hasn’t been confirmed. I’m seeing 7.9 still

DUH, then I click the USGS link. 8.8

223 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:37:31pm

Whole thing sounds awful. How scary for the people there.

224 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:38:15pm

The tsunami has hit Japan. It’s on CNN and it’s huge.

225 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:39:15pm

re: #209 prononymous

Yikes, that’s really horrible.

8.8, followed by a 6.4 about twenty minutes later. Off the east coast. Near Honshu.

A 6.4 is a big quake. An 8.8 is a BIG FUCKING QUAKE.

Thank God, Japan’s got nice modern infrastructure, but there’s still gonna be problems.

226 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:39:31pm

From that Voice of America (In Japan) link posted above

JMA: #tsunami forecats to hit Iwate, Miyagi, Fukushima, Chiba, Ibaraki above 10 meters high.

227 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:40:22pm

Shit this isn’t going to end well.

228 The War TARDIS  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:40:45pm

re: #224 moderatelyradicalliberal

We may be in trouble. We will know by 6-7 my time.

OH SHIT.

229 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:41:08pm

re: #228 ProLifeLiberal

We may be in trouble. We will know by 6-7 my time.

OH SHIT.

Where are you?

230 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:41:31pm

re: #216 recusancy

Anything if you can explain why it’s conservative.

Well, Teddy Roosevelt’s national parks and Nixon’s EPA creation both seem ‘conservative’ to me, in that they conserve resources, and take care of what we’ve already got, preserve heritage, blah blah.

But present-day conservatives are so hinkty about evironmentalism, it’s hard to make the link.

231 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:41:56pm

re: #228 ProLifeLiberal

We may be in trouble. We will know by 6-7 my time.

OH SHIT.

Are you in Hawaii?

232 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:42:08pm

Ah Nate

fivethirtyeight Nate Silver

Good live English-language coverage of Japan earthquake: wwitv.com

233 The War TARDIS  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:43:03pm

re: #229 recusancy

I mean the US in general. We are only recovering from recession, and this might happen. I tend to be a bleeding heart, so tend to worry when bad things happen anywhere.

SFZ (and others on West Coast), please be safe.

234 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:43:14pm

re: #230 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, Teddy Roosevelt’s national parks and Nixon’s EPA creation both seem ‘conservative’ to me, in that they conserve resources, and take care of what we’ve already got, preserve heritage, blah blah.

But present-day conservatives are so hinkty about evironmentalism, it’s hard to make the link.

Ahh. I guess I didn’t even think of stuff like that as conservative. Yeah, almost all “conservatives” today would argue with you on that.

235 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:43:18pm

re: #225 SanFranciscoZionist

8.8, followed by a 6.4 about twenty minutes later. Off the east coast. Near Honshu.

A 6.4 is a big quake. An 8.8 is a BIG FUCKING QUAKE.

Thank God, Japan’s got nice modern infrastructure, but there’s still gonna be problems.

Yep, they have a good infrastructure and building standards which will help. They will still need as much luck as they can get. That’s a massive wave.

236 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:43:34pm

re: #232 Stanley Sea

Ah Nate

fivethirtyeight Nate Silver

Good live English-language coverage of Japan earthquake: [Link: wwitv.com…]

Ooh, great link.

237 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:43:37pm

re: #223 HappyWarrior

Whole thing sounds awful. How scary for the people there.

Shallow strike/slip fault. Depth of the rupture is 15.2 miles.

Everybody needs to take a chill pill. No tsunamis. No catastrophic damage.

austin_blue:

Your friendly neighborhood Geoscientist.

238 The War TARDIS  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:44:35pm

re: #233 ProLifeLiberal

I’m in Norman safe, but stressing over West Coast and Hawaii.

That Tsunami wave is about the same height as the storm surge Katrina produced against Mississippi 5.5 years ago.

239 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:44:39pm

re: #237 austin_blue

Shallow strike/slip fault. Depth of the rupture is 15.2 miles.

Everybody needs to take a chill pill. No tsunamis. No catastrophic damage.

austin_blue:

Your friendly neighborhood Geoscientist.

Whew!

240 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:45:09pm

re: #237 austin_blue

Shallow strike/slip fault. Depth of the rupture is 15.2 miles.

Everybody needs to take a chill pill. No tsunamis. No catastrophic damage.

austin_blue:

Your friendly neighborhood Geoscientist.

Oh, good. Another replay of the 2004 tsunami would have been devastating.

241 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:45:24pm

re: #238 ProLifeLiberal

I’m in Norman safe, but stressing over West Coast and Hawaii.

That Tsunami wave is about the same height as the storm surge Katrina produced against Mississippi 5.5 years ago.

Highly doubt west coast has to worry.

242 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:45:35pm

re: #214 recusancy

The quake was 10k off the coast so it’ll only be the tsunami that they’ll have to deal with. Granted that’s not nothing.

No, they got shook pretty bad in the northeast coast of Japan, and apparently Tokyo felt it too.

Japan’s on tsunami alert, so is the Philippines, and, well, everyone in range. No definite tsunami has formed, though.

No word on whether Hawaii’s been put on watch.

243 The War TARDIS  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:45:46pm

re: #237 austin_blue

Um, MRL said this:

The tsunami has hit Japan. It’s on CNN and it’s huge.

I think there might be trouble.

244 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:46:17pm

re: #219 Stanley Sea

I think that 8.8 tweet hasn’t been confirmed. I’m seeing 7.9 still

USGS now says 8.8. God, that’s BIG.

245 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:46:53pm

re: #242 SanFranciscoZionist

No, they got shook pretty bad in the northeast coast of Japan, and apparently Tokyo felt it too.

Japan’s on tsunami alert, so is the Philippines, and, well, everyone in range. No definite tsunami has formed, though.

No word on whether Hawaii’s been put on watch.

I’m watching a tsunami on CNN right now. At least the first wave already hit.

246 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:47:44pm

re: #232 Stanley Sea

Ah Nate

fivethirtyeight Nate Silver

Good live English-language coverage of Japan earthquake: [Link: wwitv.com…]

Check out this live link. They are showing water/tsunami thru city.

247 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:49:39pm

ok, is this real?

this came over twitter

twitpic.com

shannynmoore Shannyn Moore
#Japan #earthquake #japanquake RT @cbn2: RT @stevesilberman: Tsunami engulfs building and cars [photo] twitpic.com

248 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:51:42pm

re: #233 ProLifeLiberal

I mean the US in general. We are only recovering from recession, and this might happen. I tend to be a bleeding heart, so tend to worry when bad things happen anywhere.

SFZ (and others on West Coast), please be safe.

Thanks, but I think we should be OK this far out. Hawaii and Guam are on tsunami alert now, though.

249 The War TARDIS  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:51:47pm

re: #247 Stanley Sea

My mind is seeing trouble. Will get up at 5 to see what is happening.

250 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:54:30pm

re: #242 SanFranciscoZionist

No, they got shook pretty bad in the northeast coast of Japan, and apparently Tokyo felt it too.

Japan’s on tsunami alert, so is the Philippines, and, well, everyone in range. No definite tsunami has formed, though.

No word on whether Hawaii’s been put on watch.

And as I say that, I look at pictures of Miyagi Prefecture with tsunami waters rushing through.

251 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:55:24pm

Has it hit Kauai yet? My brother just flew out that way Tuesday.

252 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:56:09pm

Upgraded to 8.9

253 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:56:11pm

They are showing shots of the tsunami now.

254 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:56:26pm

Mobile phone lines down in Tokyo. Seeing folks lining up to use land lines.

The Tokaido rail line has been shut down.

Tsunami’s rising up the river through Miyagi.

255 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:56:36pm

oh my god

256 The War TARDIS  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:56:46pm

re: #251 HappyWarrior

No, it’ll be about 5-6 hours if it will. If it does, this country will probably panic.

257 The War TARDIS  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:57:23pm

re: #252 recusancy

WHAT!?!?

This is getting worse by the moment.

258 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:58:02pm

re: #255 Stanley Sea

oh my god

It’s coming in too fast. They’ve had less than an hour and half since the quake. They’re not going to be able to evacuate fast enough.

Crap. We’re gonna lose people out there.

259 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:58:26pm

What I’m watching on CNN doesn’t look like nothing. A huge surge of water is just sweeping across land. It’s taking down houses and covering roads. It looks like a rural area, but anybody who could get out of the way is in trouble. I’d shit a brick of I saw it coming at me.

260 SpaceJesus  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:58:34pm

holy shit

261 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:58:43pm

re: #258 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s coming in too fast. They’ve had less than an hour and half since the quake. They’re not going to be able to evacuate fast enough.

Crap. We’re gonna lose people out there.

I think I just saw a whole city washed away. omg

262 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:58:59pm

re: #259 moderatelyradicalliberal

What I’m watching on CNN doesn’t look like nothing. A huge surge of water is just sweeping across land. It’s taking down houses and covering roads. It looks like a rural area, but anybody who could get out of the way is in trouble. I’d shit a brick of I saw it coming at me.

Yeah I’m watching that too… That was crazy.

263 The War TARDIS  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:59:09pm

re: #261 Stanley Sea

This is going to hurt.

264 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:59:25pm

Did I just see buildings being swept away…?

265 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:59:44pm

re: #261 Stanley Sea

I think I just saw a whole city washed away. omg

But hopefully it was farmland? Just saw some large buildings?

266 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:59:50pm

Yep now I am definitely worried about my brother. Guys if you could, keep him in your thoughts.

267 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:59:53pm

re: #262 recusancy

Yeah I’m watching that too… That was crazy.

OMG, it’s so fast. This looks very bad.

268 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:00:03pm

Hope Lazardo is gonna be okay.

269 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:00:26pm

re: #266 HappyWarrior

Yep now I am definitely worried about my brother. Guys if you could, keep him in your thoughts.

I will. Is he near the coast?

270 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:01:06pm

re: #269 moderatelyradicalliberal

I will. Is he near the coast?

Kauai which is from my understanding hte northern most island of the Hawaiian islands that is inhabited.

271 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:01:10pm

Guy in the studio in Tokyo says they’re still getting aftershocks. Aftershocks for something this big can feel like a whole earthquake on their own.

They’re getting fires now.

272 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:01:50pm

It’s not just the water, it’s the debris being carried with it. It’s like the water is picking up towns and them along for the ride. Fires too.

273 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:02:10pm

Oh the footage.

Live helicopter above.

wwitv.com

274 Four More Tears  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:02:21pm

And now I’m watching a building on fire floating on the water.

275 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:02:39pm

re: #266 HappyWarrior

Yep now I am definitely worried about my brother. Guys if you could, keep him in your thoughts.

Of course. Where is he?

276 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:03:10pm

re: #270 HappyWarrior

Kauai which is from my understanding hte northern most island of the Hawaiian islands that is inhabited.

They’ll have some time to see what’s coming.

Prayers and thoughts.

277 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:03:16pm

re: #270 HappyWarrior

Kauai which is from my understanding hte northern most island of the Hawaiian islands that is inhabited.

I think Hawaiians will have time to get to higher ground. I’ll keep him in my thoughts.

278 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:03:52pm

bad sad. That mother nature.

279 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:04:38pm

re: #278 Stanley Sea

bad sad. That mother nature.

She’s a real bitch sometimes.

280 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:04:55pm

re: #277 moderatelyradicalliberal

I think Hawaiians will have time to get to higher ground. I’ll keep him in my thoughts.

THat’s good, I hope he does what he can. He has a good friend with him too. We don’t experience much natural disasters here in Northern Va aside from the occassional small level tornado or hurricane. And thank you and SFZ as well as anyone else who is keeping him in their thoughts.

281 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:05:01pm

The affected areas are asking for not-army units to respond. Defense ministry is apparently working on it.

282 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:05:05pm

fivethirtyeight Nate Silver

Japan meteorological society has revised quake to 8.4. USGS now says an 8.9. Keep in mind there are 2 slightly different magnitude scales.

283 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:05:26pm

re: #240 moderatelyradicalliberal

Oh, good. Another replay of the 2004 tsunami would have been devastating.

People look at the magnitude and not at the geology. The majority of people are idiots. Refer to the Republican Party.

Still looking for hard numbers…

This is the latest, and it’s la la la… Frustrating.

weather.gov

284 SpaceJesus  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:05:31pm

the fucking thing is coming right at traffic

285 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:07:06pm

I really hope we do not hear someone like Pat Robertson saying this is God’s wrath or some crap like that because if I hear that, I will feel like punching that individual myself and I am not a violent person.

286 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:07:15pm

We’ve got it made. I’m bummed I’m staying up late again because of the news.

These people wish they had my stupid whine.

287 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:08:20pm

They’ve closed Tokyo and Narita airports.

288 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:08:38pm

This is actually a great news broadcast.

Reporting from the elevator company, the nuclear company. Guy is talking (translating) non stop.

289 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:08:59pm

Hard data is impossible to find, right now. Grrr..

290 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:09:28pm

re: #289 austin_blue

Hard data is impossible to find, right now. Grrr..

We are patient for you.

291 freetoken  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:09:33pm

Major tsunami damage in northern Japan after magnitude-8.8 quake

Japan was struck by a magnitude-8.8 earthquake off its northeastern coast Friday, triggering a 13-foot (4-meter) tsunami that washed away cars and tore away buildings along the coast near the epicenter.

In various locations along Japan’s coast, TV footage showed severe flooding, with dozens of cars, boats and even buildings being carried along by waters. A large ship swept away by the tsunami rammed directly into a breakwater in Kesennuma city in Miyagi prefecture, according to footage on public broadcaster NHK.

I’ll look around for some Japanese videos.

292 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:10:26pm

I just saw some of hte images online since I have no TV here and my roommates are all asleep. Goddamn, this is insane. I can’t imagine what those poor people are going through right now.

293 darthstar  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:10:52pm

Japan’s getting fucked up. This is bad.

294 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:11:04pm

re: #283 austin_blue

People look at the magnitude and not at the geology. The majority of people are idiots. Refer to the Republican Party.

Still looking for hard numbers…

This is the latest, and it’s la la la… Frustrating.

[Link: www.weather.gov…]

I’m thinking of population density too. If a huge tsunami hits a sparsely populated area, loss of life could be minimal, but if these places had higher populations that couldn’t evacuate, then the death toll goes up.

295 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:11:36pm

The river’s given the waves a channel to go up. Right into the farmland. Sendai City is getting it pretty bad.

296 freetoken  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:11:46pm

mainichi.jp

297 The War TARDIS  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:12:27pm

re: #295 SanFranciscoZionist

They’re saying the river was forced into reverse flow.

298 Insanity  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:12:31pm

This video is astounding. Absolutely astounding.

It just keeps going. My god. Another wave coming in.

299 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:12:54pm

OMG

300 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:13:28pm

re: #285 HappyWarrior

I really hope we do not hear someone like Pat Robertson saying this is God’s wrath or some crap like that because if I hear that, I will feel like punching that individual myself and I am not a violent person.

I’ll break something if that happens. I am at my wits with this country’s backward, fearful, superstitious, bigoted, no-nothing wing nuts because they are destroying my country. I have no tolerance at this point. NONE.

301 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:14:28pm

re: #300 moderatelyradicalliberal

I’ll break something if that happens. I am at my wits with this country’s backward, fearful, superstitious, bigoted, no-nothing wing nuts because they are destroying my country. I have no tolerance at this point. NONE.

They have no idea how fired up they have made us. We are talking spring break in Wisconsin. For real.

302 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:14:49pm

re: #297 ProLifeLiberal

They’re saying the river was forced into reverse flow.

Damn. Too much water coming in.

303 SpaceJesus  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:14:52pm

that thing doesn’t slow down a bit when it hits land. whoa

304 The War TARDIS  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:15:33pm

re: #303 SpaceJesus

I’m beginning to think tomorrow is going to be a bad day for the West Coast.

305 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:16:54pm

re: #304 ProLifeLiberal

I’m beginning to think tomorrow is going to be a bad day for the West Coast.

Not religious, but I will be praying.

306 SpaceJesus  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:17:39pm

re: #304 ProLifeLiberal

the guy said the tsunami warning system only alerted the western pacific right?

307 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:18:13pm

re: #300 moderatelyradicalliberal

I’ll break something if that happens. I am at my wits with this country’s backward, fearful, superstitious, bigoted, no-nothing wing nuts because they are destroying my country. I have no tolerance at this point. NONE.

It’s just so aggrevating after every tragedy like this you get some jerk preacher or whatever saying this was God’s judgment because we tolerate gays, abortion, other religions, etc. As I said, I am not a violent person, I pride myself on being someone who got in to few fights as a kid but this shit makes me angry and I know it’s coming.

308 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:19:05pm

The feed is sketchy now.

309 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:20:26pm

re: #301 Stanley Sea

They have no idea how fired up they have made us. We are talking spring break in Wisconsin. For real.

I’ve given money to PP and the Wisconsin 14 in the last few weeks and I really don’t have any money to give because I just graduated and I’m still job hunting. It won’t kill me, but it wasn’t an expense I anticipated. Totally worth it thought and I plan on creating a savings account for any liberal or progressive causes that might need some help once I start working again. I have enough shoes and I’m pissed. Not good for an Af-Am female with a family history of high BP.

310 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:21:19pm

re: #304 ProLifeLiberal

I’m beginning to think tomorrow is going to be a bad day for the West Coast.

Seriously, we are a LONG way out. My big concern at this point is for the Philippines, and of course, Japan.

311 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:22:41pm

re: #305 moderatelyradicalliberal

Not religious, but I will be praying.

I’ll not be praying. But I will hold a good thought for everyone in the area.

Happy Deist, austin-blue.

Still trying to find real data..

312 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:23:17pm

re: #309 moderatelyradicalliberal

Hell no! This is so unhealthy. But you know, better will come if we do something rather than nothing.

313 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:23:27pm

re: #307 HappyWarrior

It’s just so aggrevating after every tragedy like this you get some jerk preacher or whatever saying this was God’s judgment because we tolerate gays, abortion, other religions, etc. As I said, I am not a violent person, I pride myself on being someone who got in to few fights as a kid but this shit makes me angry and I know it’s coming.

My favorite was the guy who claimed that Katrina was God’s way of punishing Condoleezza Rice’s home state because the Bush administration had done something with its Israel policy that he didn’t approve of. (I think it was the settlement freeze?)

I pointed out that Condi was born in ALABAMA, but he didn’t seem to register that.

///ghah

314 The War TARDIS  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:23:50pm

Oil Refinery is on fire outside of Tokyo. O_O

315 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:24:05pm

re: #309 moderatelyradicalliberal

I’ve given money to PP and the Wisconsin 14 in the last few weeks and I really don’t have any money to give because I just graduated and I’m still job hunting. It won’t kill me, but it wasn’t an expense I anticipated. Totally worth it thought and I plan on creating a savings account for any liberal or progressive causes that might need some help once I start working again. I have enough shoes and I’m pissed. Not good for an Af-Am female with a family history of high BP.

Take deep breaths. Deep breaths. Don’t let the bastards raise your blood pressure.

316 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:24:43pm

Is the feed in and out for everyone? or is it my crappy about to die laptop?

317 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:24:52pm

re: #314 ProLifeLiberal

Oil Refinery is on fire outside of Tokyo. O_O

Crap. So it is.

318 freetoken  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:25:01pm

you link feed is working for me

319 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:25:16pm

re: #316 Stanley Sea

Is the feed in and out for everyone? or is it my crappy about to die laptop?

No, I’m losing him periodically. I think it’s on his end.

320 freetoken  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:25:29pm

… he wrote, right before it froze for 30 seconds…

321 abolitionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:25:53pm

Announcer on the NHK link says oil refinery on fire at chiba pre-something, north of Tokyo.

322 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:25:56pm

re: #313 SanFranciscoZionist

My favorite was the guy who claimed that Katrina was God’s way of punishing Condoleezza Rice’s home state because the Bush administration had done something with its Israel policy that he didn’t approve of. (I think it was the settlement freeze?)

I pointed out that Condi was born in ALABAMA, but he didn’t seem to register that.

///ghah

Don’t remember that one but I am not shocked. Again thank you for keeping my brother in your thoughts. It’s really surreal to think that just last Saturday we had a guy’s night out when I went home to visit before he flew out. I am sure he’ll be fine but I worry naturally.

323 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:26:18pm

re: #315 SanFranciscoZionist

Take deep breaths. Deep breaths. Don’t let the bastards raise your blood pressure.

Hasn’t been raised yet. I check regularly because of my family history even thought I’m young. I credit the vodka for keeping me sane. It sure came in handy last night!

324 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:26:28pm

re: #319 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #320 freetoken

Seriously, the effects of twitter. Nate Silver first tweeted it (I think) and now the whole US is watching. Sorry CNN.

325 The War TARDIS  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:27:00pm

re: #317 SanFranciscoZionist

I think the Firefighters there are fighting a losing battle. I don’t see how you stop that thing.

326 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:27:33pm

The guy says they’re reporting fires in Tokyo, especially some area with ‘reclaimed land’. I think that’s a Japanese euphemism for ‘landfill’.

327 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:28:05pm

re: #321 abolitionist

Announcer on the NHK link says oil refinery on fire at chiba pre-something, north of Tokyo.

Prefecture. It’s how they divide the country up into administrative blocks.

328 abolitionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:28:45pm

re: #327 SanFranciscoZionist

Thanks.

329 freetoken  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:29:01pm

re: #326 SanFranciscoZionist

Most major Japanese cities have built themselves out onto the older sand bars, some of it is quite extensive.

330 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:29:06pm

re: #312 Stanley Sea

Hell no! This is so unhealthy. But you know, better will come if we do something rather than nothing.

Agreed. I vent and do something to make myself feel better to keep the stress at bay. That and good vodka!

331 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:29:14pm

Well Al Jazeera English (ha) has a broadcast too, but the original on, even coming in and out is better.

EANewsFeed EA WorldView
#Japan #Quake: Live Coverage on EA via Al Jazeera English tinyurl.com #tsunami #p2 #tcot

332 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:30:01pm

re: #322 HappyWarrior

Don’t remember that one but I am not shocked. Again thank you for keeping my brother in your thoughts. It’s really surreal to think that just last Saturday we had a guy’s night out when I went home to visit before he flew out. I am sure he’ll be fine but I worry naturally.

I know it’s scary. My in-laws lived in Hawaii for many years, and I’d get all het up any time it seemed like a tsunami was coming in.

So far, however, Hawaii’s on low alert, and they’ll have time to go inland if they need to.

Hang in there.

333 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:30:52pm

Jiji: Tokyo Disneyland parking lot hit by #tsunami. #Japan

334 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:31:26pm

This is probably going to be the most documented natural disaster ever

335 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:31:46pm

What I’m seeing on MSNBC looks like Katrina. Just roofs peaking above water and people in windows and on roofs waving for help.

336 The War TARDIS  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:33:38pm

re: #334 Stanley Sea

I think Katrina may be at least as well documented.

337 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:33:50pm

Here’s a compilation of videos and photos from breaking news

BreakingNews Breaking News
We’re posting citizen photos and video from the Japan earthquake on BreakingNews.com: bit.ly

338 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:34:44pm

The interesting thing about modern natural disasters such as this and people’s reactions to them. When historians years from now study the impact of this. They’ll probably look at things like twitter and facebook. May sound a little silly I know but it’s worth considering.

339 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:34:49pm

re: #336 ProLifeLiberal

I think Katrina may be at least as well documented.

yeah. Not a fun comparison. Damn.

340 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:35:28pm

re: #338 HappyWarrior

The interesting thing about modern natural disasters such as this and people’s reactions to them. When historians years from now study the impact of this. They’ll probably look at things like twitter and facebook. May sound a little silly I know but it’s worth considering.

I completely agree. Twitter has changed the way we get news, we get it FAST. Really fast now.

341 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:36:01pm

re: #338 HappyWarrior

The interesting thing about modern natural disasters such as this and people’s reactions to them. When historians years from now study the impact of this. They’ll probably look at things like twitter and facebook. May sound a little silly I know but it’s worth considering.

Well, not to say it in the same breath, but imagine if we had twitter and facebook coverage of the Vesuvius eruption.

342 SpaceJesus  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:36:19pm

they’re saying the tsunami will hit hawaii at 3am hawaii time i guess

343 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:36:38pm

re: #341 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, not to say it in the same breath, but imagine if we had twitter and facebook coverage of the Vesuvius eruption.

heh, my favorite natural disaster.

344 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:37:20pm

re: #341 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, not to say it in the same breath, but imagine if we had twitter and facebook coverage of the Vesuvius eruption.

I speculated the same about the fall of the Soviet satellites last month with the revolutions that have been going on in North Africa.

345 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:37:47pm

re: #340 Stanley Sea

I completely agree. Twitter has changed the way we get news, we get it FAST. Really fast now.

Yep, it’s much like facebook has changed the way we communicate with each other too.

346 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:37:51pm

Here’s two streams for anyone interested:

ustream.tv

This one’s a bit better quality:

zh-tw.justin.tv

347 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:37:59pm

Okay, they are now saying that the tsunami was at a maximum of 3.5 feet:

weather.gov

Which is reasonable, given the fault dynamics. Whatever damage occurred on the mainland will be primarily as a result of horizontal velocity.

Keep in mind that an 8.8 is a big motherfucker of a quake. It can generate lateral movements of up to a half a gravity/second or greater (that’s a lateral movement of 16 feet/second or greater: how would your house hold up?) at a distance of several hundred miles.

This is not a tsunami quake like the Indonesian rupture.

348 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:38:20pm

EANewsFeed EA WorldView

#Japan LiveBlog: State TV confirms wave of 7.3 metres hit northeast tinyurl.com #p2 #tcot #tsunami #quake

349 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:39:29pm

re: #342 SpaceJesus

they’re saying the tsunami will hit hawaii at 3am hawaii time i guess

How high? Are they gonna need to do more than tell everyone to get off the beaches?

350 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:39:38pm

re: #347 austin_blue

re: #348 Stanley Sea

ha, I’m a thriver on drama obviously!

351 abolitionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:39:52pm

re: #348 Stanley Sea

EANewsFeed EA WorldView

#Japan LiveBlog: State TV confirms wave of 7.3 metres hit northeast [Link: tinyurl.com…] #p2 #tcot #tsunami #quake

Dang, that’s like two stories high.

352 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:40:02pm

Hawaii tsunami will hit at 2:59am Hawaii standard time.

353 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:40:21pm

re: #351 abolitionist

Dang, that’s like two stories high.

hopefully it’s drama? dang

354 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:41:19pm

I lost the feed.

355 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:42:20pm

re: #346 recusancy

Here’s two streams for anyone interested:

[Link: www.ustream.tv…]

This one’s a bit better quality:

[Link: zh-tw.justin.tv…]

also: english.aljazeera.net

356 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:42:53pm

re: #343 Stanley Sea

heh, my favorite natural disaster.

Yo Vesuvius, I’m really happy for you, I’mma let you finish but Tunguska had one of the best natural disasters of all time!

357 SpaceJesus  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:43:09pm

re: #349 SanFranciscoZionist

i dunno, kinda hard to see the wave from way up here. squinting now.

358 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:48:15pm

im out, liked the LGF company during another disaster.

359 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:48:52pm

Whoa, new data:

weather.gov

That fault hasn’t had a dip/slip fracture in any recorded data set. No wonder they are freaking out. New paradigm!

(This is actually rather exciting for geologists. For the rest of you, meh.)

360 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:48:54pm

re: #358 Stanley Sea

im out, liked the LGF company during another disaster.

later, thanks for the updates.

361 recusancy  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:50:05pm

re: #359 austin_blue

Whoa, new data:

[Link: www.weather.gov…]

That fault hasn’t had a dip/slip fracture in any recorded data set. No wonder they are freaking out. New paradigm!

(This is actually rather exciting for geologists. For the rest of you, meh.)

Shouldn’t you be getting hammered at SXSW right now? ;)

362 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:51:02pm

re: #359 austin_blue

Whoa, new data:

[Link: www.weather.gov…]

That fault hasn’t had a dip/slip fracture in any recorded data set. No wonder they are freaking out. New paradigm!

(This is actually rather exciting for geologists. For the rest of you, meh.)

Yeah, I’m more interested in the wave of water and debris…

:)

363 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:54:17pm

re: #361 recusancy

Shouldn’t you be getting hammered at SXSW right now? ;)

Actually, went to a party tonight for the winners of the Austin American Statesman’s social media awards. Shmoozed. Free food. (Yowza!)

I really must get to bed. work tomorrow. Night all, sweet dreams.

364 Spocomptonite  Thu, Mar 10, 2011 11:59:47pm

re: #347 austin_blue

Okay, they are now saying that the tsunami was at a maximum of 3.5 feet:

[Link: www.weather.gov…]

Which is reasonable, given the fault dynamics. Whatever damage occurred on the mainland will be primarily as a result of horizontal velocity.

Keep in mind that an 8.8 is a big motherfucker of a quake. It can generate lateral movements of up to a half a gravity/second or greater (that’s a lateral movement of 16 feet/second or greater: how would your house hold up?) at a distance of several hundred miles.

This is not a tsunami quake like the Indonesian rupture.

Sure, this earthquake didn’t rise from deep in the ocean like the Indonesian one, but horizontal movement of a shoreline will cause a wave just as well. And at 8.8/8.9, that is some big-ass horizontal movement.

365 freetoken  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 12:04:07am

Yeah, USGS is now saying 8.9 .

One of the after shocks greater than 6 was close to Tokyo:

earthquake.usgs.gov

Many strong aftershocks over a rather wide geographic area.

366 Spocomptonite  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 12:08:17am

If this keeps getting upgraded, it’s going to be bigger than the Cascadia Eartquake in 1700 (the one that tsunami-ed Puget Sound/Oregon and caused half a mountain to slide Mt. St. Helens style into the Columbia river, damming it for months and creating the Bridge of the Gods)

Already, at 8.9, its the 7th largest earthquake, ever.

367 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 12:12:57am

Okay people, I am going to settle down a little bit for the night. thank you all again. I’ll post about my brother if I or my parents hear from him.

368 SpaceJesus  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 12:18:26am

oil refinery just went boom

369 Spocomptonite  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 12:22:48am

WTF this same area of Japan has had 14 earthquakes greater than 6.0 in the past three days… one of them being this one and 9 of them already coming after it. USGS earthquake report

370 freetoken  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 12:25:54am

re: #368 SpaceJesus

You mean that one in Chiba prefecture?

371 Mardukhai  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 12:28:54am

Have we forgotten — Congressman Edward Markey really knows his stuff. I hope he didn’t need a speechwriter for it. I would pay money to attend if he were ever to come to town.

(I hope he opposes craziness on the left as well — we need more of those in our party.)

372 Ryan King  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 12:57:23am

Dammit. I’m going to get tsumani sirens every hour.

I have a friend on Wake Island right now, I’m very worried. Her husband is also a good friend but he’s night diving right now so I can’t a hold of either of them.

The tsunami should hit Wake Island at 11:30 HST, about 35 minutes from now.

373 freetoken  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 12:59:40am

As you can see, a couple of the strong aftershocks were in the Tokyo area, just to the NE. They are likely causing some of the damage in Chiba:


earthquake.usgs.gov

374 Ryan King  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 1:04:12am

I just talked to her hubby: he thinks they’ll be out on the water and feels she’ll be fine.

375 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 1:10:28am

re: #374 BigPapa

You are in Hawaii? Stay safe, I hope everyone got enough warning.

376 EdDantes  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 1:14:18am

Oh, crap! My county in California just had a tsunami warning.

377 freetoken  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 1:18:21am

re: #376 EdDantes

I just read a statement that California was not included in the tsunami watch… hmmm, things must be changing.

There is a network of real-time buoys - perhaps new data indicated more energy than expected?

378 EdDantes  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 1:22:40am

re: #377 freetoken

I don’t know what is going on. I was watching CNN coverage then the EBS interrupted with a warning for several counties around San Francisco.
Just heard seconds ago: Entire coast of ca under tsunami warning. no details.

379 Ryan King  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 1:23:00am

re: #375 prononymous

You are in Hawaii? Stay safe, I hope everyone got enough warning.

Yes, I live in Kailua Kona. The sirens have been going off every hour on the hour. I’m pretty sure most of the island knew within an hour of the original quake.

I’m close enough to the water to hear surf when there’s a surge or storm but at 95 feet elevation. I’m not worried.

380 freetoken  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 1:26:04am

Now NHK is saying that the nuclear power station in Fukushima is facing an emergency as all the diesel powered generators that power the cooling system are inoperable.

This is a story to watch. Not sure I trust the NHK English speaking anchor to really understand “inoperable”.

381 freetoken  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 1:28:54am

Only from Pt. Conception northwards:

forecast.weather.gov

382 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 1:31:28am

re: #379 BigPapa

Yes, I live in Kailua Kona. The sirens have been going off every hour on the hour. I’m pretty sure most of the island knew within an hour of the original quake.

I’m close enough to the water to hear surf when there’s a surge or storm but at 95 feet elevation. I’m not worried.

That’s good. I’m sure you guys are cognizant of the destructive power of tsunamis, considering the history there.

Hawaii is on my very short list of places I’m going to move once I leave where I am. Though, the fact that it is geologically active and vulnerable to tsunamis and cyclones is definitely something to keep in mind.

383 EdDantes  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 1:32:52am

re: #379 BigPapa

I hope these warning are the result of an overabundance of caution.

384 EdDantes  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 1:35:18am

re: #381 freetoken

That would be from Santa Barbara northward.

385 Ryan King  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 1:37:33am

Hawaii takes tsunami very seriously. It’s amazing that almost the entire state knows about it within an hour or two of the event.

I can look in any phone book for tsunami maps outlining inundation areas.

They freak me out more than lava or cyclones. Luckily the water here is cool and it’s tough for a cyclone to survive when surface temp is below 85. I do worry about AGW on the water but for the most part the cold Pacific currents help. We probably have to really worry about every 15 to 25 years when one happens to stay south then curveball up really quick like Iniki did, slamming Kauai.

386 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 1:37:46am

Dammit.
This is bad.
Very bad.
I fear worse than the Kobe earthquake.

387 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 1:41:30am

re: #385 BigPapa

A state that takes specific public issues seriously. I like it.

388 freetoken  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 1:43:36am

re: #386 Varek Raith

Have you been to Kobe? As part of the memorial, they kept part of the buckled street unreconstructed - really impressive.

389 freetoken  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 1:47:55am

REPORT: Japanese Nuclear Plant Experiencing Cooling Malfunction After Earthquake

So far no radiation leak has been detected.

390 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 1:49:58am

re: #388 freetoken

Have you been to Kobe? As part of the memorial, they kept part of the buckled street unreconstructed - really impressive.

I haven’t. I’ve been wanting to travel for years, just never had the money. One day…

re: #389 freetoken

REPORT: Japanese Nuclear Plant Experiencing Cooling Malfunction After Earthquake

So far no radiation leak has been detected.

That’s scary.

391 freetoken  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:03:04am

Besides the above nuclear unit in Fukushima (which could get serious), there is a fire at one in Miyagi:

Fire at Tohoku Elec Onagawa nuclear plant -Kyodo

392 freetoken  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:04:17am

In that last report, they claim that the Fukushima plant problem is nonexistent.

Times like these… news = confusion.

393 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:09:03am

Indeed. Confusion reigns for now.

394 RadicalModerate  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:16:09am

Latest from Earthquake-report website:
earthquake-report.com

The city of Kurihari, in the Miyagi prefecture (population 77,000) is being reported as completely destroyed.
19 confirmed dead, this number is very likely to go up, due to both the northern areas that took the brunt of the quake having little to no communication, and also the massive amount of damage caused by the accompanying tsunami.

Early estimated damage - $500Billion-$1Trillion (US)

395 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:19:20am

If true I retract my sigh of relief and substitute an oh crap.

396 researchok  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:23:30am

Images are from Japan unreal.

397 boondocksaint  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:24:45am

I’m here in Fukuoka, Japan. Its crazy the footage they are showing on live TV. Boats crashing into houses, massive title waves. Absolutely insane.

398 researchok  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:26:46am

re: #397 boondocksaint

I’m here in Fukuoka, Japan. Its crazy the footage they are showing on live TV. Boats crashing into houses, massive title waves. Absolutely insane.

Stay safe.

399 freetoken  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:27:39am

re: #397 boondocksaint

re: #394 RadicalModerate

Yeah, some of the ground video taken earlier is coming in…. destruction everywhere along the Tohoku coast.

In Europe, insurance companies are being hit on the stock market, in concern that the re-insurance industry could be hit hard. However, I suspect this might be an over reaction.

400 freetoken  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:28:45am

Meanwhile, in Libya, it looks like Kaddafi is getting an upper hand.

401 researchok  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:29:20am

re: #399 freetoken

re: #394 RadicalModerate

Yeah, some of the ground video taken earlier is coming in… destruction everywhere along the Tohoku coast.

In Europe, insurance companies are being hit on the stock market, in concern that the re-insurance industry could be hit hard. However, I suspect this might be an over reaction.

Half an over reaction, I’d guess.

Indonesia still hasn’t recovered and Japanese property claims will be huge.

402 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:36:46am

re: #397 boondocksaint

I’m here in Fukuoka, Japan. Its crazy the footage they are showing on live TV. Boats crashing into houses, massive title waves. Absolutely insane.

Good luck. I hope for as few casualties as possible in such an extreme situation.

403 RadicalModerate  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:39:50am

I’ve been watching a live stream of Japanese TV networks TBS and Fuji TV, and they’ve been showing primarily damage to Tokyo, but periodically show images from northern Japan. There was one aerial shot of a town basically buried by mud from the tsunami.

They just had an aftershock hit Tokyo, and I just watched everyone in the newsroom put on hard hats and crouch under their desks.

404 freetoken  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:41:26am

re: #403 RadicalModerate

Yeah, the NHK feed just showed the cameras shaking…

405 freetoken  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:45:34am

Just because there wasn’t enough news today, I guess:


India, Pakistan test nuke-tipped missiles on same day

406 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 2:57:32am

Wow. That’s some crazy footage.

What a bunch of horrible news today and it’s only a few hours old. :(

I’m going to go lay down, but this certainly isn’t a “good” night.

407 freetoken  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:00:05am

Last measurement of tsumami was at Wake Island, 1.6 feet above normal:

forecast.weather.gov

408 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:21:21am

The facial expressions on the lady sitting behind Re. Markey are awesome. I have never seen someone smirk so hard or so well and for so long.

409 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:23:02am

re: #376 EdDantes

Oh, crap! My county in California just had a tsunami warning.

Seek high ground

It could be nothing, but why wait and chance it

I’ve been too busy to pay much attention (getting satellite feeds to and from clients) but iirc I heard if something hits the west coast it will be around 7 am Pacific time

410 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:23:55am

re: #380 freetoken

Now NHK is saying that the nuclear power station in Fukushima is facing an emergency as all the diesel powered generators that power the cooling system are inoperable.

This is a story to watch. Not sure I trust the NHK English speaking anchor to really understand “inoperable”.

I had a video clip of a fire there I was feeding to ABC

411 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:25:01am

re: #408 wozzablog

The facial expressions on the lady sitting behind Re. Markey are awesome. I have never seen someone smirk so hard or so well and for so long.


Nothing special

Standard Massachusetts Liberal Smirkitude

412 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:28:11am

re: #411 sattv4u2

Nothing special

Standard Massachusetts Liberal Smirkitude

Liberals do have lot to smirk about. Gravity, climate scinece and the rotation of the earth - s’all good.

413 freetoken  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:34:59am

Sendai Airport video:

Youtube Video

414 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:35:21am

re: #412 wozzablog

Liberals do have lot to smirk about. Gravity, climate scinece and the rotation of the earth - s’all good.

Yeah, cause smirking is such an endearing trait!

415 Uncle Obdicut  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:37:18am

jiji.com

jiji.com

jiji.com

416 researchok  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:40:09am

Morning, all

417 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:40:34am

+1 for Indiana…No tsunami risk. I guess it’s possible we could have a corn-tsunami.

418 researchok  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:41:31am

re: #417 RogueOne

+1 for Indiana…No tsunami risk. I guess it’s possible we could have a corn-tsunami.

No BBQ tsunami here in NC.

Sadly.

419 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:42:24am

re: #417 RogueOne

+1 for Indiana…No tsunami risk. I guess it’s possible we could have a corn-tsunami.

Don’t be too glib

Once Global warming finishes you’ll be “beach front” on both the eastern and western borders

420 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:43:16am

re: #418 researchok

No BBQ tsunami here in NC.

Sadly.

NC?

I thought you were in OK!

421 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:43:33am

re: #419 sattv4u2

Don’t be too glib

Once Global warming finishes you’ll be “beach front” on both the eastern and western borders

They could film “jersey shore” in gary!

422 researchok  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:43:59am

re: #420 sattv4u2

NC?

I thought you were in OK!

Nope- Raleigh NC.

English transplant.

423 researchok  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:45:08am

re: #422 researchok

I did stay at a Holiday Inn when I visited Tulsa, though.

424 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:45:35am

re: #422 researchok

Nope- Raleigh NC.

English transplant.

heh,,,,

Well, learn something new

You work in/around the research triangle?

(can’t assume,,, I’m guessing now because of the “research” in your name, but I guessed Oklahoma due the the “ok” in it

425 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:46:32am

Narita Airport in Japan has resumed outbound flights

426 researchok  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:46:35am

re: #424 sattv4u2

heh,,,

Well, learn something new

You work in/around the research triangle?

(can’t assume,,, I’m guessing now because of the “research” in your name, but I guessed Oklahoma due the the “ok” in it

Yup.

I have some clients here but as of late, most are up north- DC, Norfolk.

427 Uncle Obdicut  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:46:53am

Image: ss-110311-japanquake-04.grid-8x2.jpg

428 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:48:42am

re: #426 researchok

Yup.

I have some clients here but as of late, most are up north- DC, Norfolk.

I lived in Greensboro N.C for just over a year. I had a lot of clients in/ around the triangle

429 Uncle Obdicut  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:48:55am

Gah this one really shows the force of it.

Image: ss-110310-japanQuake-06_2.grid-9x2.jpg

430 researchok  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 3:49:34am

re: #428 sattv4u2

I lived in Greensboro N.C for just over a year. I had a lot of clients in/ around the triangle

How long ago were you in NC?

What kind of work?

431 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 4:01:13am

re: #430 researchok

How long ago were you in NC?

What kind of work?

14-15 years ago

Building private satellite systems and cable head ends

(wtf does THAt mean!?!?)

A large scale hotel wants their own “cable” network for the rooms. They pick a dozen + satellite channels they want (CNN, ESPN, HBO, ect) and itegrate it with a half dozen or so local channels.
I would construct the dish(es) needed to get the sat channels, then somewhere in the hotel would be a room with a receiver for each channel and then some sort of combiner/ distribution system for the complex.

Same for the cable companies but on a much larger scale. The “head end” in both instances is where all the equipment (receivers, combiners, distribution) is prior to it going out via the main cables

432 researchok  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 4:05:16am

re: #430 researchok

How long ago were you in NC?

What kind of work?

You ought to see Greensboro now.

Lots, bigger, lots of changes. NC is experiencing serious growth.

433 researchok  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 4:06:36am

re: #431 sattv4u2

One more thing: I’m going from DirecTV to Att Universe.

In case you’re keeping records.

434 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 4:07:36am

re: #432 researchok

You ought to see Greensboro now.

Lots, bigger, lots of changes. NC is experiencing serious growth.

Yes.
It was just starting when I left. Went to a couple of planning commission meetings and it looked ambitious and exciting
Just as many were migrating TO NC I was going back “home” to Boston for the same reason I went to NC ,, WORK!!!

(am now in Atlanta for the past 12 years for the same reason!)

435 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 4:08:04am

re: #433 researchok

One more thing: I’m going from DirecTV to Att Universe.

In case you’re keeping records.

Nahh,, just send me a monthly check and we’ll be fine!

436 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 4:22:47am

raw footage

Liveleak Video

Fucking amazing

437 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 4:25:46am

re: #436 Killgore Trout

raw footage


[Video]Fucking amazing

thats not even the half of it

We have two clients that have live cameras everywhere there

KDDI/Japan and Nippon TV network

They’ve been sending live footage to their New York bureaus since it hit

438 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 4:26:25am

re: #436 Killgore Trout

re: #437 sattv4u2

thats not even the half of it

We have two clients that have live cameras everywhere there

KDDI/Japan and Nippon TV network

They’ve been sending live footage to their New York THROUGH OUR FACILITY bureaus since it hit

(ftfm,, fixed that for ME)

439 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 4:28:20am

They’ve been sending live footage to their New York bureaus THROUGH OUR FACILITY since it hit

ftfm again!!

(damn,,, long night!!!)

440 freetoken  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 4:31:57am

From Kyodo news service:


BREAKING NEWS: 2,000 residents near Fukushima nuclear power plant urged to evacuate

441 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 4:34:25am

re: #440 freetoken

From Kyodo news service:

BREAKING NEWS: 2,000 residents near Fukushima nuclear power plant urged to evacuate

A reactor cooling system malfunctioned
There is no information about a leak or contamination, just a precaution as of now

442 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 4:52:55am

Whirlpool effect, post Tsunami
Liveleak Video

443 Ryan King  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:02:17am

Man I’m tired, getting a bad cough/cold, and the sirens are going off every 15 minutes now so I can’t sleep. Projected 3-6 foot tsunami around 3:30AM my time (about 30 minutes).

We’ll see how Kauai does.

444 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:04:04am

re: #443 BigPapa

Stay safe. How close to the coast are you?

445 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:04:07am

re: #443 BigPapa

Man I’m tired, getting a bad cough/cold, and the sirens are going off every 15 minutes now so I can’t sleep. Projected 3-6 foot tsunami around 3:30AM my time (about 30 minutes).

We’ll see how Kauai does.

Glad to hear that

better to be safe (even at an inconvenient time) than sorry

446 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:07:18am

Just got am e,mail from my mom in Thailand. No tsunami danger there.

447 Ryan King  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:08:23am

re: #444 Killgore Trout

Stay safe. How close to the coast are you?

I’m about 1,000 yds from the shore. I can hear surf break during surge or storm from my house, see whales in my backyard, etc.

If we get a good surge hear I’ll probably hear it.

I’m at 95’ though, so I’m not worried about my own home. I do have friends on the main drag and I’m sure they’re sweating it.

448 Ryan King  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:09:23am
see whales in from my backyard

Damn it’s late.

449 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:17:30am

Beerpocalypse

450 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:20:23am

Wingnuts are freaking out about the cops in Wisconsin….
‘This Is War’

But the threat of disobedience issued by that COP FOR LABOR raises a much more troubling possibility: that the police are aiding a political movement that is breaking the law in order to disrupt the legislative process. If that is the case, then what is going on in Madison is not so much anarchy as an attempted coup d’état—a challenge to Wisconsin’s republican form of government by those who have been entrusted to safeguard it.

Sorry but actions have consequences. Busting public sector unions will cost you the support of public servants. That’s a fact.

451 rwdflynavy  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:21:55am

Good Morning Lizards!

452 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:23:27am

re: #450 Killgore Trout

Wingnuts are freaking out about the cops in Wisconsin…
‘This Is War’

Sorry but actions have consequences. Busting public sector unions will cost you the support of public servants. That’s a fact.

Correct

So what should the “consequence” be if it’s proven that “police are aiding a political movement that is breaking the law”?

453 Uncle Obdicut  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:23:57am

re: #452 sattv4u2

What political movement would that be, and what law is it breaking?

454 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:24:00am

re: #451 rwdflynavy

Good Morning Lizards!

Not in some parts of the world!

455 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:24:23am

re: #453 Obdicut

What political movement would that be, and what law is it breaking?

I haven’t a clue

Ask Kilgore
he posted it

456 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:25:06am

re: #447 BigPapa

I’m about 1,000 yds from the shore. I can hear surf break during surge or storm from my house, see whales in my backyard, etc.

If we get a good surge hear I’ll probably hear it.

I’m at 95’ though, so I’m not worried about my own home. I do have friends on the main drag and I’m sure they’re sweating it.

Can you make sure they’re awake and aware??

457 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:25:32am

re: #446 Killgore Trout

Just got am e,mail from my mom in Thailand. No tsunami danger there.

Thanks God

458 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:26:32am

re: #446 Killgore Trout

re: #457 sattv4u2

Thanks God

gggrrrrr

459 Uncle Obdicut  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:27:02am

re: #455 sattv4u2

Killgore isn’t making that claim, though. The wingnuts are. So we’d have to ask them.

Some cops refused to arrest the blacks who were sitting at lunch counters. They were definitely aiding and abetting a political movement that was breaking the law.

460 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:28:19am

re: #459 Obdicut

Killgore isn’t making that claim, though. The wingnuts are. So we’d have to ask them.

Some cops refused to arrest the blacks who were sitting at lunch counters. They were definitely aiding and abetting a political movement that was breaking the law.

Where did I say he is?
All I did say (accurately) is that he posted it

461 Uncle Obdicut  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:29:28am

re: #460 sattv4u2

That’s nice.

462 rwdflynavy  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:29:58am

re: #459 Obdicut

Killgore isn’t making that claim, though. The wingnuts are. So we’d have to ask them.

Some cops refused to arrest the blacks who were sitting at lunch counters. They were definitely aiding and abetting a political movement that was breaking the law.

I’m not sure the removal of collective bargaining is quite comparable to blacks being treated as second class citizens and the civil rights movement.

463 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:30:03am

re: #455 sattv4u2

I haven’t a clue

Ask Kilgore
he posted it

The are just bitching because the police don’t support union busting and have sided with the protesters. Despite all the hysteria I don’t see any evidence that the cops are breaking the law. Instadouche sez….

Fire ‘em and replace them with contract security. Meanwhile, the more troubling factor is that this lawlessness was aided and encouraged by President Barack Obama’s own Organizing For America.


Idiot.
I think this was a poorly thought out strategy. It’s pretty unpopular and will likely cost Republicans (at least in Wisconsin) in the next election.

464 Uncle Obdicut  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:32:10am

re: #462 rwdflynavy

Good thing that I didn’t compare them, then.

465 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:32:35am

re: #461 Obdicut

That’s nice.

What was “nice” was the try by you (yet again) to assign to me (or others) something that you would have liked them to have said so you can argue against THAT point instead of what the poster actually stated

466 Uncle Obdicut  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:33:24am

re: #465 sattv4u2

I’m sorry, what point do you feel I was trying to argue against?

467 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:34:17am

re: #463 Killgore Trout

The are just bitching because the police don’t support union busting and have sided with the protesters. Despite all the hysteria I don’t see any evidence that the cops are breaking the law. Instadouche sez…


Idiot.
I think this was a poorly thought out strategy. It’s pretty unpopular and will likely cost Republicans (at least in Wisconsin) in the next election.

Perhaps
But I don’t think the dems endeared themselves to the general populace (excluding gov’t union workers) by going on “vacation” either

468 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:34:53am

re: #466 Obdicut

I’m sorry, what point do you feel I was trying to argue against?

Thats nice!

469 McSpiff  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:35:46am

re: #467 sattv4u2

Perhaps
But I don’t think the dems endeared themselves to the general populace (excluding gov’t union workers) by going on “vacation” either

Just about every poll conducted disagrees with you. The run-away Dems have had their support increase every day they’ve been gone.

470 rwdflynavy  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:36:16am

re: #467 sattv4u2

Perhaps
But I don’t think the dems endeared themselves to the general populace (excluding gov’t union workers) by going on “vacation” either

They certainly succeeded in raising the issue to the national level. I think it will end up hurting Republicans a lot more than the Democrats.

471 Uncle Obdicut  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:36:25am

re: #468 sattv4u2

Making accusations and failing to back them up in any way is extremely lame.

472 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:36:36am

re: #469 McSpiff

Just about every poll conducted disagrees with you. The run-away Dems have had their support increase every day they’ve been gone.

Hence, the “perhaps”

We’ll see in the long run (i.e. election time) what happens

473 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:37:41am

re: #469 McSpiff

We’ll see how it plays out next year during the elections. The fight in Indiana is going the opposite direction. My rep, who took off to IL, won’t win re-election next time around.

474 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:39:31am

re: #471 Obdicut

Making accusations and failing to back them up in any way is extremely lame.

huh??
hengineer reprimanded you for doing just that a few weeks ago
I have
Walter has
iirc (which I do) others have also

475 Uncle Obdicut  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:42:26am

re: #474 sattv4u2

Heh. Yep, you, Walter, and Buck often have a problem with me.

Somehow, I’m comfortable with that.

476 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:42:50am

re: #473 RogueOne

We’ll see how it plays out next year during the elections. The fight in Indiana is going the opposite direction. My rep, who took off to IL, won’t win re-election next time around.

Maybe (s)he just went for the festivals!!

fairsandfun.com

477 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:44:23am

re: #475 Obdicut

Heh. Yep, you, Walter, and Buck often have a problem with me.

Somehow, I’m comfortable with that.

Funny how you left off Hengineer

And no, I have no “problem” with you

Do I disagree with you at times ?? YUP
But thats no “problem”
Hell,, I disagree with my very best friends at times,, with my wife ,, with my son ,,,

but again, nice try!

478 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:45:01am

re: #467 sattv4u2

Perhaps
But I don’t think the dems endeared themselves to the general populace (excluding gov’t union workers) by going on “vacation” either

What was that? 60% in favor? According to Rasmussen? Walker better enjoy having won the battle. In about 6 months, he’ll lose at least three senate seats (that were won by 1% or less last time) and 6 months after that will be his own recall. Governor Feingold, perhaps?

479 Uncle Obdicut  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:45:48am

Now these people are goddamn crazy:

online.wsj.com

No country in the world recognizes Transnistria—the territory’s informal English name—as a sovereign state. But that hasn’t stopped authorities in this breakaway part of Moldova from adopting the trappings of Soviet-style nationhood.

Tiny Transnistria has its own currency, the ruble; its own legislature, the Supreme Soviet; an army and its own Lenin look-alike president, Igor Smirnov, a 69-year-old one-time Communist Party apparatchik who has ruled for two decades.

I forsee an FPS in their future.

480 sagehen  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:45:50am

re: #462 rwdflynavy

I’m not sure the removal of collective bargaining is quite comparable to blacks being treated as second class citizens and the civil rights movement.

If you’d asked white southerners in 1953 — hell, probably even some white northerners — they’d have said removal of collective bargaining was far worse than blacks being treated as second class citizens.

481 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:46:12am

re: #478 wlewisiii

What was that? 60% in favor? According to Rasmussen? Walker better enjoy having won the battle. In about 6 months, he’ll lose at least three senate seats (that were won by 1% or less last time) and 6 months after that will be his own recall. Governor Feingold, perhaps?

As stated in 472 and 473, we shall see come election time

Lon time between mid March and November

482 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:46:27am

re: #476 sattv4u2

Maybe (s)he just went for the festivals!!

[Link: www.fairsandfun.com…]

Every night they mention the dust up on the news I catch a ration of shit from my spouse who voted for the other guy. It’s embarrassing.

483 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:47:32am

re: #482 RogueOne

Every night they mention the dust up on the news I catch a ration of shit from my spouse who voted for the other guy. It’s embarrassing.

Thats why wifey and I have our own TV rooms!!

//

484 rwdflynavy  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:47:33am

re: #480 sagehen

If you’d asked white southerners in 1953 — hell, probably even some white northerners — they’d have said removal of collective bargaining was far worse than blacks being treated as second class citizens.

No doubt.

485 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:47:39am

re: #481 sattv4u2

As stated in 472 and 473, we shall see come election time

Lon time between mid March and November

Recalls will happen in only a couple of months. November is irrelevant.

486 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:48:36am

re: #485 wlewisiii

Recalls will happen in only a couple of months. November is irrelevant.

You think Walker is going to get recalled?

For what?

What is the recall process in Wis??

487 sagehen  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:49:31am

re: #486 sattv4u2

You think Walker is going to get recalled?

For what?

What is the recall process in Wis??

He has to be in office a whole year before a recall is allowed. And he’s still in his first 90 days.

488 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:50:48am

re: #486 sattv4u2

You think Walker is going to get recalled?

For what?

What is the recall process in Wis??

ballotpedia.org

489 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:51:56am

re: #487 sagehen

He has to be in office a whole year before a recall is allowed. And he’s still in his first 90 days.

Thanks

I just was reading that on my link

490 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:52:16am

A recall can only be done after a person has been in office one year. You file to begin a recall then you have 60 days to get 25% of the total vote cast in the previous election in that offices district. When the signatures are validated, the special election is called. We could have the state senate recalls done by July 1.

As for Scooter, he can be recalled as of Jan 1, 2012. Three months or so after that, we will have a new governor.

491 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:52:59am

re: #487 sagehen

The petitioners also only have 60 days to get 25% of the number of votes cast in the last election

492 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:53:09am

The recall surge goes both ways:

Recall efforts target both parties
host.madison.com

I’d put their chances of success (where seats actually change hands) somewhere between nada and zilch.

493 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:55:15am

re: #490 wlewisiii

A recall can only be done after a person has been in office one year. You file to begin a recall then you have 60 days to get 25% of the total vote cast in the previous election in that offices district. When the signatures are validated, the special election is called. We could have the state senate recalls done by July 1.

As for Scooter, he can be recalled as of Jan 1, 2012. Three months or so after that, we will have a new governor.

Thats a tad different than “in only a couple of months. November is irrelevant.”

494 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:56:11am

The death toll in Japan is jumping pretty quickly. MSNBC just reported that 200-300 bodies found in the north.

495 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:56:46am

re: #492 RogueOne

The recall surge goes both ways:

Recall efforts target both parties
[Link: host.madison.com…]

I’d put their chances of success (where seats actually change hands) somewhere between nada and zilch.

Three Republicans won by about 1% in their last election. I’d be worried if I were them. The last state senator recalled had previously won by over 10%. Get people pissed off enough to actually recall you and you have a real problem.

And yes, the Republicans are trying too. They’re the ones swimming upstream on this.

496 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:57:32am

re: #490 wlewisiii

A recall can only be done after a person has been in office one year. You file to begin a recall then you have 60 days to get 25% of the total vote cast in the previous election in that offices district. When the signatures are validated, the special election is called. We could have the state senate recalls done by July 1.

As for Scooter, he can be recalled as of Jan 1, 2012. Three months or so after that, we will have a new governor.

Thats a tad different “in only a couple of months. November is irrelevant.”

pimf

497 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:57:59am

re: #493 sattv4u2

Once the senate changes hands, Scooter is blocked until he’s recalled or, possibly, impeached over his lack of ethics. November is irrelevant.

498 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 5:58:03am

re: #494 RogueOne

The death toll in Japan is jumping pretty quickly. MSNBC just reported that 200-300 bodies found in the north.

damn

Wait till they start being able to check fallen buildings

499 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:01:58am

New Tsunami warning for Japan

estimate is 30 foot high waves

500 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:05:56am

re: #495 wlewisiii

Three Republicans won by about 1% in their last election. I’d be worried if I were them. The last state senator recalled had previously won by over 10%. Get people pissed off enough to actually recall you and you have a real problem.

And yes, the Republicans are trying too. They’re the ones swimming upstream on this.

He was facing federal charges of conspiracy, fraud and money laundering.

501 freetoken  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:06:34am

Reports from HI indicate 2.1 feet peak above normal at Honolulu.

502 reine.de.tout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:11:14am

Video from Japan.

503 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:17:11am

re: #502 reine.de.tout

check your mail

504 Ryan King  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:20:08am

re: #502 reine.de.tout

That’s tough to watch at the end of the video: cars on the road trying to turn around, not looking like they were going to make it.

505 Ryan King  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:21:22am

I’ve heard some possible wave action, sounded like periods of light swell activity by my house. As soon as light returns I’ll take a drive down there.

506 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:22:49am

re: #505 BigPapa

I’ve heard some possible wave action, sounded like periods of light swell activity by my house. As soon as light returns I’ll take a drive down there.

stay safe

507 freetoken  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:22:55am

The live ABC broadcast from HI claims the second peak to arrive at the big island was near 7 feet and could have caused damage…

We’ll see.

508 freetoken  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:25:54am

NHK live showing the spreading fires in Miyagi. Looks quite extensive from helicopter.

509 Ryan King  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:26:22am

Hilo is predicted to be at 6 feet since the two sides of the wrap around may meet there. Most of what I’ve seen here bodes for us.

510 reine.de.tout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:26:43am

re: #505 BigPapa

I’ve heard some possible wave action, sounded like periods of light swell activity by my house. As soon as light returns I’ll take a drive down there.

Yeah, they’re showing Hawaii on the news right now - well, Fox, believe it or not. CNN is talking about Charlie Sheen and Lindsey Lohan.

At any rate - looks like Hawaii will have much lighter waves.

Fox guy keeps talking about the “wall of water”, which is NOT what it is. It’s water rushing in and sucking up whatever is in its way, then sucking it back out. I wish they’d get off that “wall of water” bit.

511 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:30:44am

re: #508 freetoken

NHK live showing the spreading fires in Miyagi. Looks quite extensive from helicopter.

Here’s the NHK live stream
Doesn’t look good.

512 reine.de.tout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:32:34am

NY Times has a collection of videos

513 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:36:37am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area and while we’ve gotten walloped with serious rains and flooding, the situation in Japan is just astonishing to see. The 8.9 quake - one of the largest on record in the world struck off the coast unleashing a massive tsunami that swept inland causing widespread damage. Tsunami warnings are posted pretty much throughout the entire Pacific rim, including the West Coast, and Hawaii was in the path.

The death toll, initially reported around 60 is rising quickly as reports come in from more remote areas and areas cut off from communications due to damage to the infrastructure (power outages, phone lines down, roads severed, damage swept onto roads, airports shuttered, etc.)

514 darthstar  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:37:09am

I know the tsunami projected for Half Moon Bay is only supposed to be three feet and isn’t supposed to pose a major threat, and our house is actually sheltered by Pillar Point so the tsunami zone starts about 1/4 mile south of us, but it still bugs the shit out of me. Enough for me to wake my wife up a half hour ago to tell her to listen to the radio in case the forecast changed and there was evidence the surge could grow and backwash into the harbor.

It’s also a relatively low tide cycle right now - which is helpful. And voluntary evacuations in our part of the coast are simply to cross over to the side of Highway 1 where we already live.

515 freetoken  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:37:11am

It was on Maui that had the over 6’ surge, not the big island…

516 freetoken  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:38:29am

re: #513 lawhawk

The Prefectural police are only reporting deaths as they identify the dead, so the identification process limits the count speed.

517 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:40:16am

re: #514 darthstar

Smart move. Local conditions could cause waves higher than forecast - particularly in coves and inlets where the water can be pushed to higher levels because it has no where to go as the mound of water has nowhere to displace its energy.

Stay safe!

518 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:41:46am

Enjoy the rest of the day people. Good luck Cali people.

519 NervyNews  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:42:23am

re: #442 Killgore Trout

That’s an amazing video. I’ve never seen anything like it. Reminded me of Homer’s The Odyssey.

520 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:42:54am

re: #514 darthstar

Enough for me to wake my wife up a half hour ago to tell her to listen to the radio in case the forecast changed and there was evidence the surge could grow and backwash into the harbor.

Good call
better to be safe

521 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:45:35am

I think most of the people killed in this disaster will be from the tsunami instead of collapsing buildings from the earthquake.

Sendai Airport is closed due to tsunami damage and flooding. The airport is about 2 miles from the coast, so that will give you an idea as to how far the tsunami went inward.

Thoughts and prayers for all involved in this disaster.

522 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:48:37am

More raw footage….
tsunami washing away Natori city
Youtube Video

523 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:50:22am

re: #521 commadore183

I think most of the people killed in this disaster will be from the tsunami instead of collapsing buildings from the earthquake

Perhaps, perhaps not

A bigger threat could be disease later on from water supplies

524 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:50:52am

re: #521 commadore183

re: #523 sattv4u2

I think most of the people killed in this disaster will be from the tsunami instead of collapsing buildings from the earthquake

Perhaps, perhaps not

A bigger threat could be disease later on from water supplies

and sewage

pimf

525 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:51:12am

And on that note,. the long quiet drive home beckons

526 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:51:13am

re: #523 sattv4u2

Yeah, that too.

527 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:53:30am

Watching KHNL feed and it sounds like one of their measuring buoys was damaged during one of the tsunami waves and has stopped transmitting.

528 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:57:42am

re: #522 Killgore Trout

More raw footage…
tsunami washing away Natori city

[Video]

That’s mesmerizing. The progression gives a much better sense than the short clips.

529 reine.de.tout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:01:09am

re: #522 Killgore Trout

At about 6:50 - some vehicles stopped at the intersection, which I guess is the highest point of the road - as water is all around, then the water starts coming over a section of the road - must have been scary as hell for whoever was in those trucks - I hope they ended up being OK.

530 reine.de.tout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:02:13am

re: #528 Killgore Trout

That’s mesmerizing. The progression gives a much better sense than the short clips.

Yep. I can’t imagine what it must have sounded like.

531 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:02:46am

Japan’s rigorous construction and building code appears to have once again done its job in limiting the loss of life from such a massive quake - but it’s taken quite a beating, particularly from the tsunami for which there isn’t much to do except get to higher ground and get out of the way.

532 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:04:29am

re: #529 reine.de.tout

At about 6:50 - some vehicles stopped at the intersection, which I guess is the highest point of the road - as water is all around, then the water starts coming over a section of the road - must have been scary as hell for whoever was in those trucks - I hope they ended up being OK.

I saw those guys in earlier clips but after seeing the whole video I don’t think it ended up well for them. The debris was at the top of that raised section of road when the camera pans away, Looks like the wave continues for another mile or so. If they made it they are very lucky.

533 abolitionist  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:04:37am

re: #522 Killgore Trout

More raw footage…
tsunami washing away Natori city

[Video]

Natori, Miyagi

As of 2010, the city has an estimated population of 72,757 and a population density of 727 persons per km².

Mother nature is a bitch.

534 freetoken  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:04:54am

re: #522 Killgore Trout

Thanks for posting the long clip. It’s even more amazing to watch the full 13 minutes rather than just a few short seconds.

535 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:05:21am

According to KHNL, a floating dock was ripped from its moorings and is adrift, slamming into boats and other docks.

536 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:07:19am

KHNL showing the tsunami wave going through Sendai Airport’s runway.

537 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:08:56am

Scientists say “Supermoon” had no role in Japan tsunami

Parts of Japan’s eastern coast are recovering from the effects of a tsunami that some conspiracy theorists warned could happen as the moon approaches it’s closest distance to Earth since 1992, but scientists argue that the moon’s distance to Earth played no role in the recent tsunami.

538 darthstar  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:10:15am

re: #520 sattv4u2


Enough for me to wake my wife up a half hour ago to tell her to listen to the radio in case the forecast changed and there was evidence the surge could grow and backwash into the harbor.

Good call
better to be safe

I happen to be at 7,000 feet myself as I came up here to Tahoe to get a couple of days of skiing in. She only has to go three blocks and she’s up 150 feet in elevation from our perch at 30ft above sea level.

539 darthstar  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:14:29am

Looks like Monterey Bay will get the most direct hit (this surge is coming from the northwest, so that bay is like a cup facing it)
forecast.weather.gov

ESTIMATED TIME OF ARRIVAL OF POSSIBLE TSUNAMI AT:
7:23 AM FOR CRESCENT CITY
8:08 AM FOR SAN FRANCISCO
7:44 AM FOR MONTEREY
8:17 AM FOR SANTA BARBARA

THE LATEST FORECAST WAVE HEIGHTS AS OF 6:30 AM:

4.2 FEET FOR ARENA COVE
2.0 FEET FOR POINT REYES
2.4 FEET FOR FORT POINT
2.8 FEET FOR PACIFICA
3.0 FEET FOR HALF MOON BAY
3.3 FEET FOR SANTA CRUZ
5.3 FEET FOR RIO DEL MAR
2.9 FEET FOR POINT SUR

PERSONS IN TSUNAMI WARNING COASTAL AREAS SHOULD MOVE INLAND TO
HIGHER GROUND. AT THIS TIME THE AREA OF GREATEST CONCERN LOCALLY
APPEARS TO BE IN AND AROUND THE NORTH END OF MONTEREY BAY NEAR THE
SANTA CRUZ HARBOR. ONE FAVORABLE ELEMENT IS THE TSUNAMI IS
FORECAST TO ARRIVE DURING THE LOWEST TIDAL CYCLE OF THE DAY.

540 reine.de.tout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:21:04am

re: #533 abolitionist

Natori, Miyagi

Mother nature is a bitch.

There are certain events we can do nothing to stop. Nothing. All you can do is sit and wait for disaster to happen - tsunamis, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc.

541 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:25:23am

Video of the tsunami coming ashore at Diamondhead in Hawaii.

542 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:31:56am

I am in love with Markey’s staffer, specifically because of the I Am A Totally Smug Ass-Hat look she has on her face.

543 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:34:48am

re: #542 negativ

I am in love with Markey’s staffer, specifically because of the I Am A Totally Smug Ass-Hat look she has on her face.

*sigh*

Me too. Just the right mix of self satisfaction for a job well done and utterly dripping contempt.

I wonder if she’s single……heck, i’m not single. *damn*

544 Randall Gross  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:39:30am

re: #542 negativ

I am in love with Markey’s staffer, specifically because of the I Am A Totally Smug Ass-Hat look she has on her face.

I think it’s accidental smug. I think her lips are pursed and she’s trying to keep her face leaden so she doesn’t inappropriately burst out laughing her ass off uncontrollably, since the statement’s so funny it hurts.

545 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:40:13am

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

Markey’s got a good turn of phrase, but he’s quite the partisan Democrat. If Republican were to call a redwood three and redwood, he’d call it an elm.

The truth is only a partisan issue because the GOP opposes it. Ask yourself, Dark, who the partisans really are.

546 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:43:41am

re: #545 Fozzie Bear

The truth is only a partisan issue because the GOP opposes it. Ask yourself, Dark, who the partisans really are.

Believing that throwing particals of noxious shit into the air is not always a great thing should not be a partisan issue……………

547 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:44:54am

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

Well, remember that in 1980 the southern startegy was in question. Jimmy Carter had virtually run the table in the south in 1976, so Reagan pushed hard in those states. Giving a speech in Philadelphia, MS that did not denounce the murders that had happened there was not a good idea (IMO) but it was part of an overall effort to win a ‘must-win’ state that was still quite leery of electing Republicans (Mississippi had long borne the GOP a grudge due to Grant and Sherman having waged campaigns of deliberate desolation in that state in 1863-64).

In other words, it was an act of cynicism and exploitation of racism, but it worked, and your side won, so it’s ok.

548 Lidane  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:48:35am

re: #547 Fozzie Bear

In other words, it was an act of cynicism and exploitation of racism, but it worked, and your side won, so it’s ok.

Par for the course for the modern GOP. Lee Atwater exploited racism like a champ and it won elections, and the rest of the party fell in line behind him. His legacy lives on today in the teabagger movement and with the GOP’s repeated efforts to paint Obama as an “other”, and as foreign.

549 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:48:36am

Tsunami waves expected to hit the following within the next hour:

San Fran 11:15 a.m. EST…

Santa Monica 11:39…

Newport Beach 11:45…

550 abolitionist  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:50:04am

Japan earthquake and tsunami: live

15.22: President Obama is due to hold a news conference at 1730 GMT, the White House says.

15.19: The nuclear plant with the failing cooling system is expected to have its system return to normal shortly, the local Jiji Press agency has reported.

I think 1730 GMT is 12:30 Eastern Standard Time, 9:30 Pacific Time.

551 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:50:33am

re: #548 Lidane

Par for the course for the modern GOP. Lee Atwater exploited racism like a champ and it won elections, and the rest of the party fell in line behind him. His legacy lives on today in the teabagger movement and with the GOP’s repeated efforts to paint Obama as an “other”, and as foreign.

It’s killing these people inside that the “Marxist Kenyan Muslim Usurper” is still polling higher positives than negatives. They *need* to tear him down for their own self esteem.

552 reine.de.tout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:50:39am

re: #541 lawhawk

Video of the tsunami coming ashore at Diamondhead in Hawaii.

link doesn’t work for me - I get a blank page.

553 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:53:01am

re: #552 reine.de.tout

The NYT Lede page is having issues. It was working earlier, but now shows only a blank page. Probably kludged a link somewhere.

554 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:54:20am

I just heard from my sister who is on a large research vessel a couple hundred miles off the coast of Japan. She sent a text:

“We’re ok, big boat, no damage. Heading to port for rescue efforts. Research on indefinite hold. Most of the crew is Japanese, and extremely worried about family.”

I’ll post pictures if she sends any. I hope what she finds when she reaches port isn’t as bad as I fear it might be.

555 Lidane  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:54:30am

re: #544 Thanos

I think it’s accidental smug. I think her lips are pursed and she’s trying to keep her face leaden so she doesn’t inappropriately burst out laughing her ass off uncontrollably, since the statement’s so funny it hurts.

That’s what I’m thinking. I’ve had that look on my face, mostly when trying to keep from laughing during a Serious Occasion.

556 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:56:04am

re: #554 Fozzie Bear

* My sister is a hydrogeologist, studying fluid dynamics at subduction zones.

557 Randall Gross  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:56:43am

re: #554 Fozzie Bear

Fozzie, here’s hoping everything turns out ok for her.

558 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:57:04am

re: #540 reine.de.tout

There are certain events we can do nothing to stop. Nothing. All you can do is sit and wait for disaster to happen - tsunamis, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc.

Charlie Sheen.

559 Uncle Obdicut  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:58:32am

From a friend of mine in Tokyo:

Since I am sure that all of you wake up and watch/read the news I want to let you know that I am safe and well in Tokyo. The quacke happened as we were having a cup of coffe at Tully`s cafe (imagine that) at the ground level of a really high building. It was quite scary and unsettling. The building was shaking for about 5 min. We finally ran outside and felt the ground shake for another 2 minutes and watched the buildings sway. As a result the public transportation was shut down and we had to walk home for about 2.5 h. The walk was easy and it was still bright out and warm. We are now safe and well without concenrs.

Hope everyone is well.
See you all on Monday.


Warm regards,
D

and I just felt another shake. Ok I have to go.

560 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:00:05am

re: #553 lawhawk

The NYT Lede page is having issues. It was working earlier, but now shows only a blank page. Probably kludged a link somewhere.

NYT has had fucked webdesign for the past few months. They’re running all kinds of scripts and cookies and some browsers can’t open their pages. It’s almost like the don’t want people clicking their links.

561 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:02:36am

re: #557 Thanos

Fozzie, here’s hoping everything turns out ok for her.

She’s ok. She’s not the type to say “i’m ok” if she isn’t. I just worry about what she will find when they reach Japan. Her doctoral work is going to be put on hold for a bit because of this, but that’s really the least of anyone’s concerns right now. The ship she is on is huge, and well-equipped, so I imagine they were called back to search for people swept out to sea, but it’s hard to know what they will be asked to do. That’s just my guess.

562 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:05:59am

The Japanese nuclear reactor that was nearing meltdown is apparently ok now. No radiation leaked. They managed to cool the core, and yank the rods. Thank goodness for that.

563 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:06:33am

re: #560 Killgore Trout

I hadn’t notice that issue, but found that Northjersey.com (the Bergen Record) finally fixed a huge bug with their page - eliminating the need to hit back 10 times to go back a single page.

Why is it that redesigned websites are often less navigable than the ones they replace? Whatever happened to simplicity in style?

564 abolitionist  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:06:41am

The magnitude 8.9 quake surpasses the Great Kanto quake of September 1, 1923, which had a magnitude of 7.9 and killed more than 140,000 people in the Tokyo area. —telegraph

This link is auto-updated every 90sec: Japan earthquake and tsunami: live

565 Gus  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:07:29am

American libertarians implore that the Japanese government not respond in recovery efforts and instead recommend that all recovery efforts be handled by private companies. A spokesman has said “if the Japanese government does respond it will only lead to the further erosion of liberty in the near future.”

/

566 Gus  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:08:54am

Pat Robertson blames Japanese fetish porn and the wrath of God. Suggests that the Japanese people pray more and repent.

/

567 Uncle Obdicut  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:11:57am

re: #565 Gus 802

Volokh writes long opinion about how there is no moral justification for making people pay for reconstruction efforts.

568 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:12:00am

Via BBC News on the aftermath of the earthquake in Japan:

#
1544: A dam in Japan’s north-eastern prefecture of Fukushima broke, creating a torrent of water that washed away homes, the Kyodo news agency reports.
569 Gus  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:12:17am

re: #537 Killgore Trout

Scientists say “Supermoon” had no role in Japan tsunami

Hilarious. Did the Daily Mail get that from Dr. Bill O’Reilly? Here’s more…

“Supermoon caused earthquake” - total, utter, stupid, offensive made-up bollocks in the Daily Mail

570 Gus  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:13:57am

re: #567 Obdicut

Volokh writes long opinion about how there is no moral justification for making people pay for reconstruction efforts.

Ron Paul says to leave everything alone. Eventually, the free-market will play the majority role in recovery and clean-up.

House GOP suggests that the Japanese Diet immediately pass a bill banning abortion.

/

571 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:13:57am

re: #553 lawhawk

The Lede page is back up…

572 Kragar  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:15:40am

My wife is Japanese and hasn’t been able to get in touch with any of her family yet.

573 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:15:41am

re: #566 Gus 802

Pat Robertson blames Japanese fetish porn and the wrath of God. Suggests that the Japanese people pray more and repent.

/

I hope Godzilla surfaces… and eats Pat Robertson. But that would be advocating cruelty to animals.
/ (and which is the real monster?)

574 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:16:22am

Waves from tsunami reach US mainland in Oregon - no indications of damage.

Some folks have decided to get close to shore to see the incoming tsunami.

oregonlive.com

575 Gus  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:17:09am

re: #569 Gus 802

Hilarious. Did the Daily Mail get that from Dr. Bill O’Reilly? Here’s more…

“Supermoon caused earthquake” - total, utter, stupid, offensive made-up bollocks in the Daily Mail

Here’s the intro at the stupid Daily Fail article:

The powerful tsunami that today slammed into Japan’s eastern coast comes just two days after warnings that the movement of the moon could trigger unpredictable events on Earth.

Astrologers predicted that on March 19 - a week tomorrow - the so-called ‘supermoon’ will be closer to Earth than at any time since 1992, just 221,567 miles away, and that its gravitational pull will bring chaos to Earth.

Others on the Internet have predicted it will cause further catastrophes such as volcanic eruptions and earthquakes…

Daily Mail! The favorite of readers of Watts Up With That.

576 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:17:36am

re: #559 Obdicut

and I just felt another shake. Ok I have to go.

Oh, shit.

The building was shaking for about 5 min. We finally ran outside and felt the ground shake for another 2 minutes

I was in one that shook for about 45 seconds and it was a frickin ETERNITY. I can’t imagine 7 minutes. A guy on the radio this morning said 10 minutes, and I thought, “it was probably a minute and a half.”

577 abolitionist  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:18:57am

re: #575 Gus 802

Astrologers predicted… (says it all)

578 Gus  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:19:31am

re: #577 abolitionist

Astrologers predicted… (says it all)

But astrology is real man!

//

579 Gus  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:20:05am

Hugo Chavez and Alex Jones blame it on HAARP.

//

580 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:20:06am

re: #575 Gus 802

Here’s the intro at the stupid Daily Fail article:

Daily Mail! The favorite of readers of Watts Up With That.

The Daily Fail is all kinds of awesome. Racism, xenophobia, faux science, scare stories and homophobia wrapped up in bitesized chunks :p

581 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:20:18am

re: #572 kragar (proud to be kafir)

My wife is Japanese and hasn’t been able to get in touch with any of her family yet.

{{Mrs. Kragar}}

582 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:20:37am

re: #572 kragar (proud to be kafir)

My wife is Japanese and hasn’t been able to get in touch with any of her family yet.

I hope they are ok, Kragar. It might not be any consolation, but I imagine communications systems aren’t working terribly well there right now, so there is plenty of reason to believe that they could be fine, and just unable to make calls.

583 Uncle Obdicut  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:21:13am

re: #570 Gus 802


House GOP suggests that the Japanese Diet immediately pass a bill banning abortion.


Well, it’s an emergency!

584 Gus  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:21:26am

Sure enough…

gitmoslave‎ Videos: Japan Earthquake and Tsunami Caused by HAARP? Evidence! #NoAgenda #33
Videos: Japan Earthquake and Tsunami Caused by HAARP? Evidence …‎ -

585 Gus  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:21:50am

re: #583 Obdicut

Well, it’s an emergency!

American GOP to the rescue!

/

586 Gus  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:22:15am

Bobby Jindal was last seen on the Japanese shore manning a front end loader.

//

587 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:22:51am

re: #584 Gus 802

Sure enough…

Oh for the love of…

588 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:22:55am

Japanese Diet passes emergency bill promoting immediate evacuation of all anime resources to the United States.
/

589 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:23:03am

re: #584 Gus 802

Sure enough…

You’ve got to be fucking kidding me… Are people really that stupid?

Nevermind, I know the answer.

590 Uncle Obdicut  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:23:33am

re: #576 wrenchwench

That they had time to run out of the building is astonishing. They shouldn’t have, of course, but after five minutes of shaking, I don’t think I’d be rational.

591 Gus  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:23:41am

re: #589 Fozzie Bear

You’ve got to be fucking kidding me… Are people really that stupid crazy?

Nevermind, I know the answer.

FTFY

And yes.

592 Kragar  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:24:24am

My wife is finally watching the news. She grew up in a small town right around Sendai.

593 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:25:03am

Hey guys, remember how the GOP is trying to slash funding for NOAA?

Yeah, that’s the agency that tracks tsunamis. Just thought you should know that.

594 Gus  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:25:52am

Here they come!

felsweetenberg‎ …this TRAGEDY smells like the work of the HAARP MACHINE..What will happen next?..Stay alert people!!..Pray for Japan and all areas that we
Twitter -

595 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:27:29am

re: #594 Gus 802

Here they come!

Has to be it.
Couldn’t possibly be the release of pressure from a plate diving under another and then violently popping up.
Nope.

596 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:28:47am

re: #595 Varek Raith

Has to be it.
Couldn’t possibly be the release of pressure from a plate diving under another and then violently popping up.
Nope.

Balderdash! Humans caused it. But, they couldn’t have possibly caused any climate change. That would be insane.

597 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:28:51am

BBC News:

#
1619: Japan’s Kyodo news agency is now saying the death toll has risen to 137.
598 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:29:40am

Sorry about that double post.

599 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:30:14am

re: #597 commadore183

I would consider it a near-miracle if the death toll stays in the hundreds. I’m afraid this is just the “early estimate” that will get revised upward over and over.

I hope i’m wrong.

600 Gus  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:30:30am

re: #595 Varek Raith

Has to be it.
Couldn’t possibly be the release of pressure from a plate diving under another and then violently popping up.
Nope.

Yeah, who needs a rational explanation. As usual large scale natural disasters always brings out the weirdos. So far we have the HAARP freaks and astrologers.

601 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:31:45am

re: #599 Fozzie Bear

I would consider it a near-miracle if the death toll stays in the hundreds. I’m afraid this is just the “early estimate” that will get revised upward over and over.

I hope i’m wrong.

I fear it will pass the Kobe earthquake.

602 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:32:19am

re: #600 Gus 802

Yeah, who needs a rational explanation. As usual large scale natural disasters always brings out the weirdos. So far we have the HAARP freaks and astrologers.

So, the expected conjunction is the Tweet about how Nostradamus predicted HAARP?

603 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:34:25am

re: #533 abolitionist

Natori, Miyagi

Mother nature is a bitch.

Mother Nature is a child abuser.

604 Semper Fi  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:34:52am

re: #522 Killgore Trout

More raw footage…
tsunami washing away Natori city

[Video]

The Natori City footage is devastating and one can easily see the wave moving across those fields cannot be outrun even by a world class sprinter. Thank G-d it is ‘saturday’ in Japan and possibly many hundreds of workers are not there.

605 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:35:21am

re: #590 Obdicut

That they had time to run out of the building is astonishing. They shouldn’t have, of course, but after five minutes of shaking, I don’t think I’d be rational.

There are going to be a zillion videos.

youtube.com

I don’t know whether that link will give you the same video I got first, but there’s a woman who runs out of her building and crouches on the sidewalk.

606 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:38:39am

re: #599 Fozzie Bear

I fear for the worst - particularly because of the size and scope of the tsunami. There were reports that several hundred bodies were recovered in and around Sendai - the epicenter of the worst of the tsunami damage. Damage elsewhere from the quake proper was limited. Had Japan not enacted stringent building codes - the toll would have been even worse than the already rising figures.

607 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:39:30am

That didn’t take as long as I thought. Hello again!

608 Kragar  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:40:18am

Japan Earthquake: Google launches Japanese Quake Person Finder

Any one searching for information about the earthquake or tsunami in Japan will see static links providing information about the response to the natural disasters. Google has made it easy to report a missing person or information about a missing person.

This is similar to Google’s efforts after the earthquake in the Christchurch area of New Zealand, Google’s Japanese Quake Person Finder allows users to share when they have received information that a missing person is alive or to create a record for a new missing person. There are currently about 6,100 records.

609 Gus  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:42:51am

re: #601 Varek Raith

I fear it will pass the Kobe earthquake.

Epicenter for the “Kobe” earthquake was on Awaji Island which is right smack in the middle of a highly populated area. Today’s was located off shore in NE Japan much further from densely populated areas. My guess would be that the majority of casualties will be a result of the Tsunamis. I would also assume that it will be lower than the 4,000 that died from the Great Hanshin earthquake.

610 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:47:32am

Ongoing quake sheet showing the aftershocks from the quake… it’s a list that is piling up with significant quakes listed in red. 16 aftershocks registering above 6.0.

611 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:49:16am
#
1643: Tsunami warnings have been lifted for mainland Australia and New Zealand, officials say. China, Indonesia and the Philippines lifted their tsunami alerts after Taiwan and the US territory of Guam also said the threat of the massive waves had passed. Warnings remain in effect for several countries including Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Panama, Honduras, Chile, Ecuador, Colombia and Peru.
612 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:50:45am
#
1648: A tsunami “advisory” has been issued in Canada’s western province of British Columbia. The government said the tsunami might “potentially produce strong currents dangerous to those in or near the water”. It could “impact marinas and other coastal infrastructure or create strong currents in harbours and isolated coastal areas”, the statement added.
613 Interesting Times  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:51:54am

re: #596 Fozzie Bear

Balderdash! Humans caused it. But, they couldn’t have possibly caused any climate change. That would be insane.

Actually, NASA found a link between climate change and earthquakes - melting glaciers greatly reduce the weight on tectonic plates, I guess somewhat akin to taking away a paper weight that kept crumpled papers flat:

Retreating Glaciers Spur Alaskan Earthquakes

As glaciers melt they lighten the load on the Earth’s crust. Tectonic plates, that are mobile pieces of the Earth’s crust, can then move more freely.

614 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:52:14am

re: #611 commadore183

cwarn.org

615 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:53:25am

Crazy Pam is drudging up the previously debunked conspiracy that Oklahoma City was a Muslim terrorist attack….
Author links man arrested in Quincy to the subject of her book on Oklahoma City bombing


An FBI spokesman in Boston, Greg Comcowich, said Thursday night that a man named Hussain Al-Hussaini was “thoroughly investigated” in connection with the Oklahoma City bombing and “was found to not have any role whatsoever in the attack on the Murrah Federal Building in 1995.”

Comcowich said the Hussain Al-Hussaini the FBI investigated had been seen with bomber Timothy McVeigh before the April 19, 1995, bombing, which killed 168 people.

“The investigation was closed and the FBI has no further interest in that individual,” he said.

Comcowich said he could not confirm whether the Hussain Al-Hussaini arrested in Quincy was the same Hussain Al-Hussaini investigated after the Murrah Building bombing.

616 Slap  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:53:51am

Just put this up in the Pages — with a large number of local reporters (and local concerns!), the Stars & Stripes seems to have a pretty good compendium of the latest:

littlegreenfootballs.com

617 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:01:06am

Having watched a bunch of videos of the tsunami, there is no freaking way this only killed a few hundred people. Unless all those houses were empty, which I doubt, there are going to be tens of thousands dead.

Ugh.

618 Gus  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:05:47am

Till later.

619 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:07:00am

re: #617 Fozzie Bear

Having watched a bunch of videos of the tsunami, there is no freaking way this only killed a few hundred people. Unless all those houses were empty, which I doubt, there are going to be tens of thousands dead.

Ugh.

Yeah, seeing all those cars on the roads shows that the area was not completely evacuated. The death toll is probably going to be pretty substantial.

620 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:08:01am

re: #617 Fozzie Bear

A passenger ship and a train are missing after the tsunami hit.

A boat carrying more than 100 passengers was missing, as was a train in coastal areas. The fate of those aboard the ship and train were unknown.

The National Police Agency said 137 people had been confirmed dead and 531 missing, with 627 others injured in the tremor.

“The death toll has yet to include the 200-300 dead bodies which were (reportedly) found on the beach of Sendai,” an agency spokesman told Agence France-Presse.

Jeez…. it’s going to get a whole lot worse.

621 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:13:36am
#
1706: The Tokyo Electric Power Company has said the pressure inside the No. 1 reactor at its Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant has been rising, with the risk of a radiation leak, according to the Jiji Press news agency. Tepco planned to take measures to release the pressure, the report added. The reactor’s cooling system began to malfunction after the earthquake. People living close to the plant were later evacuated as a precaution.
622 prairiefire  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:13:54am

Prayers for everyone affected. Our family on the big island have evacuated and are safe.

623 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:13:56am

My daughter in law’s family primarily lives in south Japan, with a few living in the north, but my son isn’t talking to us right now. This is going to be interesting.

624 brennant  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:14:43am

Looks like Santa Cruz (not sure what harbor) but the tsunami has caused some damage

625 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:23:09am
#
1717: A second train has been reported missing following the quake and tsunami in Japan, according to the AFP news agency.
626 Lidane  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:25:45am

re: #615 Killgore Trout

Crazy Pam is drudging up the previously debunked conspiracy that Oklahoma City was a Muslim terrorist attack…
Author links man arrested in Quincy to the subject of her book on Oklahoma City bombing

Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols were Muslims? Who knew?

627 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:29:12am

tweet of the day
Image: eGSKJ.jpg

628 abolitionist  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:30:52am

re: #627 Killgore Trout

Yes it is.

629 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:31:12am

re: #627 Killgore Trout

tweet of the day
Image: eGSKJ.jpg

Oh, god, I can just imagine what the Libertarian “Theory” is on government disaster response and recovery.
:/

630 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:31:15am

re: #627 Killgore Trout

tweet of the day
Image: eGSKJ.jpg

Yes, but think of how much freer all those dead people would be with less regulations. You aren’t looking at the big picture. /

631 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:32:12am

BREAKING: Alaska Militia Members Arrested for Plot to Kidnap or Kill Police


Five members and associates of a Fairbanks, Alaska, right-wing militia group were arrested yesterday for allegedly plotting to kidnap or kill Alaska State Troopers and a state judge.

The five include Francis “Schaeffer” Cox, the founder and leader of the Alaska Peacemakers Militia. Cox also founded a pro-gun group and advocates armed resistance to gun control.

632 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:33:25am

The tsunami warning for Hawaii has been downgraded to an advisory, if I heard KHNL right.

633 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:33:54am

re: #631 Killgore Trout

Ironically, they are making the best case for gun control I have seen in awhile by so doing. Morons.

634 Lidane  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:34:36am

re: #629 Varek Raith

Oh, god, I can just imagine what the Libertarian “Theory” is on government disaster response and recovery.
:/

They only have one theory — free markets solve everything.

The most radical libertarians want to privatize the courts, the police, and all emergency services. They’d easily privatize disaster response and recovery, only helping the areas that pay them upfront or have the highest property values. The rest can rot.

635 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:35:08am

re: #632 commadore183

From what I am reading, Hawaii and the American west coast won’t be taking much damage. I hope I’m reading something other than wishful thinking.

Does anybody have word on this?

636 zora  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:35:17am

re: #631 Killgore Trout

a muslim alaskan militia, i’m sure.
/

637 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:36:27am

President Obama is speaking about the disaster in Japan right now.

638 Jadespring  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:37:37am

Morning all. I haven’t been on the net or had the news on since the other night. It’s startling to turn on the tube and expect it be a normal morning and see this. Horrible. :(

639 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:39:35am

re: #635 Fozzie Bear

The forecast warnings were predicting tsunamis of up to 2 meters (~6 feet) to hit HI and West Coast based on the kind of quake, location, and ground movement. I posted a warning map on my blog earlier showing expected deviations from norm waves. The imminent danger from the main quake-caused tsunami has passed for HI and much of the West Coast, but further aftershocks could cause additional warnings to be posted.

640 BishopX  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:40:31am

re: #637 commadore183

And now he’s talking about energy policy? That was fast.

641 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:41:54am

re: #640 BishopX

Yeah, just a few words then to energy policy. I think this was a previously scheduled press conference and he added the remarks about Japan before the start.

642 BishopX  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:43:42am

re: #641 commadore183

Well, he’s doing well on energy. Started with domestic oil numbers, permits etc… then moved on to why it’s more or less irrelevant.

643 BishopX  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:44:05am

And now he’s taking questions..that’s new.

644 iossarian  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:44:15am

re: #631 Killgore Trout

BREAKING: Alaska Militia Members Arrested for Plot to Kidnap or Kill Police

Lone wolves! Five of them!

645 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:44:50am

re: #627 Killgore Trout

tweet of the day
Image: eGSKJ.jpg

Actually…

Japan’s Strict Building Codes Saved Lives
nytimes.com

Of course it’s just that liburl NYTimes …///

646 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:44:56am

Here’s a live stream of, apparently, Ocean Beach in SF of the tsunami waves, I guess.

647 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:45:51am

US airlifts coolant to deal with ongoing emergency at Japanese nuclear reactor.

The United States has transported coolant to a Japanese nuclear plant hit by the massive Friday earthquake, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said.

“We just had our Air Force assets in Japan transport some really important coolant to one of the nuclear plants,” Clinton said at a meeting of the President’s Export Council.

“Japan is very reliant on nuclear power and they have very high engineering standards but one of their plants came under a lot of stress with the earthquake and didn’t have enough coolant,” Clinton said.

In addition, the Japanese defense ministry said it had dispatched dozens of troops trained to deal with chemical disaster to the plant in case of a radiation leak.

The moves came after Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO) reported that pressure inside No.1 reactor at Fukushima-Daiichi nuke plant is rising, with risk of radiation leak.

The crisis at the plant led Japanese authorities to order the evacuation of thousands of residents from the area around the reactor. Officials, however, said there was no sign of leakage at present.

648 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:46:57am

2nd Amendment Task Force, Alaska
Youtube Video

Tea Party Republicans, lol

649 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:47:42am

re: #645 wlewisiii

Actually…

Japan’s Strict Building Codes Saved Lives
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

Of course it’s just that liburl NYTimes …///

Nice!

650 SpaceJesus  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:48:07am

re: #645 wlewisiii


how dare the government tell people how they can and can’t build things

651 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:48:10am
#
1745: A 50cm-high (20in) tsunami has awept along Mexico’s north-west coast, AFP reports.
652 SpaceJesus  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:48:56am

re: #651 commadore183


:3

653 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:51:57am

re: #652 spacejesus

:3

?

654 calochortus  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:52:32am

Just a quick drive-by from the SF Bay Area. Apparently no damage except to boats at Santa Cruz. The harbor is tucked in a narrow inlet so the surges are pulling boats off their moorings if they aren’t securely tied, and there has been damage to the docks. There is some concern about boats at Half Moon Bay because it’s low tide and if the water levels drop too far, boats can ground, tip and then if there is a surge they can be swamped. For most things though, the low tide is a good thing. Presumably, the waves will be dying down as the tide rises.

There have been a few areas evacuated and roads closed, but by and large it looks like things won’t be bad.

655 webevintage  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:53:02am

Chuck Todd: “why are you not bombing Lybia…right now…nownownow Mr. President”

President: “well Chuck, funny you should ask that…ummmmm, we’ve decided that we will go into Lybia, but this time I’m sending the White House Press Corps to do the job. Suit up boys….”

656 SpaceJesus  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:55:28am

re: #653 commadore183

?

it’s just a baby

657 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:56:34am

re: #656 SpaceJesus

it’s just a baby

Ah, okay LOL

658 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:59:16am

What right-wing violence?

BREAKING: Alaska Militia Members Arrested for Plot to Kidnap or Kill Police

Five members and associates of a Fairbanks, Alaska, right-wing militia group were arrested yesterday for allegedly plotting to kidnap or kill Alaska State Troopers and a state judge.

The five include Francis “Schaeffer” Cox, the founder and leader of the Alaska Peacemakers Militia. Cox also founded a pro-gun group and advocates armed resistance to gun control.

Cox and the other defendants face charges of conspiracy to commit murder, conspiracy to commit kidnapping and conspiracy to commit arson, in addition to gun charges and other crimes.

659 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:00:52am

Sounds like Honolulu has given the all-clear to evacuees, I think. CNN’s feed of KHNL has their banner over the local station’s banner.

660 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:04:01am
#
1801: Scientists have said the earthquake ranked as the fifth-largest in the world since 1900 and was nearly 8,000 times stronger than one that devastated the city of Christchurch in New Zealand last month. “The energy radiated by this quake is nearly equal to one month’s worth of energy consumption” in the United States, Brian Atwater of the US Geological Survey told the Associated Press.
661 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:04:19am

Sorry about the double post.

662 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:20:34am

re: #450 Killgore Trout

Wingnuts are freaking out about the cops in Wisconsin…
‘This Is War’

Sorry but actions have consequences. Busting public sector unions will cost you the support of public servants. That’s a fact.

“Sure, and Policeman M’Gonigall never asked for a raise the whole fifty-seven years he was on the force…”

I’d be more impressed with this hand-wringing if the wingnuts themselves were not so fond of actually talking secession and government-dismantling of various kinds.

663 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:21:50am
ajsmart

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He’s gone now. He was logged in a couple of hours ago.

664 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:34:40am

re: #531 lawhawk

Japan’s rigorous construction and building code appears to have once again done its job in limiting the loss of life from such a massive quake - but it’s taken quite a beating, particularly from the tsunami for which there isn’t much to do except get to higher ground and get out of the way.

There’s only so much you can do…but Japan does it. Compare the impact to Haiti from a much smaller quake.

That’s rebar, baby!

665 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:51:26am

re: #573 oaktree

I hope Godzilla surfaces… and eats Pat Robertson. But that would be advocating cruelty to animals.
/ (and which is the real monster?)

Meanwhile, I’ve got local pro-Israel activists trying to sell me on Pat Robertson—-because he LOOOOVES Israel.

666 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:53:20am

re: #619 Killgore Trout

Yeah, seeing all those cars on the roads shows that the area was not completely evacuated. The death toll is probably going to be pretty substantial.

Happened way too fast for them to have evacuated effectively.

The water was coming in about an hour after the first quake.

667 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:57:27am

re: #626 Lidane

Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols were Muslims? Who knew?

The theory, I believe, is that Nichols’ Filipina wife had contacts with Muslim rebel groups who may have had contacts with al-Qaeda.

It’s an interesting idea, but AFAIK, it’s never really been backed up with much.

668 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:58:10am

re: #631 Killgore Trout

BREAKING: Alaska Militia Members Arrested for Plot to Kidnap or Kill Police

Ah, Jaysus, isn’t it enough that Mother Nature is trying to kill us, without we make more trouble for ourselves?

669 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:58:55am

re: #644 iossarian

Lone wolves! Five of them!

Lone wolves hunt in packs.

///wait…


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