Onion: A New Star Emerges in the Republican Party
New GOP frontrunner has no desire to run
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Charles Johnson Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:06:30pm |
A little zing in there for Allahpundit, if I'm not mistaken.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:07:31pm |
re: #1 Charles
A little zing in there for Allahpundit, if I'm not mistaken.
He and the rest of the wingnuts took it well. They usually don't have much of a sense of humor about themselves.
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engineer cat Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:15:46pm |
this is how chris 'the jersey flounder' christie is gonna get nominated in 2012
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:16:54pm |
re: #1 Charles
A little zing in there for Allahpundit, if I'm not mistaken.
You're not. Mention at 1:02.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:17:38pm |
It's funny because it's true - this really is the hole the Republicans have dug for themselves.
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Stanghazi Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:18:44pm |
Good Fri eve LGF. All I can say is gravies (supposed to be gracias - damn you auto correct) for the new thread. Laptop died, using iPhone. It's so much easier when there's less than 500 comments.
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deranged cat Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:20:52pm |
forgive me, but how is the quote a zing to Allahpundit?
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:21:21pm |
They aren't about governing anymore. More like anti-governing. They want to reduce every part of the government that they can and make the rest look incompetent. Then they can turn around and say: business would have done this better.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:25:38pm |
Interesting - that CNN video I posted earlier seems to be generating thousands of referrals for some reason.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:28:28pm |
The video reminded me of the political version of the life of Brian
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Stanghazi Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:31:57pm |
re: #12 HoosierHoops
The video reminded me of the political version of the life of Brian
Hoops! Is it time to start filling out brackets yet????
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Charles Johnson Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:33:21pm |
Registration is now open, for the proverbial limited time.
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:35:26pm |
re: #13 Stanley Sea
Hoops! Is it time to start filling out brackets yet???
Not till the seatings...Everybody is beatable this year...Should be very interesting dance....I guess I'll be picking Kansas but I'm not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:35:56pm |
Cool beans... open registration.
BTW Charles, any chance you could include a topic for Africa in the pages/spinoffs? With all the craziness there lately (libya, ivory coast, zimbabwe, tunisia, sudan, somalia, etc.), dumping that into world news doesn't quite fit (when we have topics for asia, middle east, europe, etc.)
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Stanghazi Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:37:40pm |
re: #15 HoosierHoops
Not till the seatings...Everybody is beatable this year...Should be very interesting dance...I guess I'll be picking Kansas but I'm not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling
Uh, shall I recommend the Gators?? (or SDSU)
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:37:43pm |
re: #14 Charles
Registration is now open, for the proverbial limited time.
There goes the neighbourhood............
;-)
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Charles Johnson Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:38:32pm |
re: #16 lawhawk
Cool beans... open registration.
BTW Charles, any chance you could include a topic for Africa in the pages/spinoffs? With all the craziness there lately (libya, ivory coast, zimbabwe, tunisia, sudan, somalia, etc.), dumping that into world news doesn't quite fit (when we have topics for asia, middle east, europe, etc.)
Done.
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lawhawk Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:40:43pm |
re: #20 Charles
Awesome... and thanks for everything you do around these parts. It's easy to overlook all the work you do to keep the place running.
Thanks!
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:44:11pm |
I woke up to see the earthquake & tsunami hitting Japan on the news this morning. I heard on the radio today there is danger of radiation leakage from a couple nuclear plants. Awful news to wake up to. I feel so bad for Japan right now.
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:44:28pm |
re: #17 Stanley Sea
Uh, shall I recommend the Gators?? (or SDSU)
Gators? Well this year anything is possible..A few weeks ago I thought Texas was unbeatable and Pitt was a stud team...Now that all the great players in College are one and done there is a great drain of talent in College Basketball as they jump to the pros..The days of MJ, Magic or Bird playing for 4 years are long gone..It really sucks
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Interesting Times Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:53:33pm |
re: #20 Charles
Speaking of the pages, one feature I'd love to see on the "Featured Pages" and "Recent Pages" sidebars is a "Refresh" button - so we can see the latest items there without having to reload the whole site. Yet another addition to the great LGF library of cool AJAX tools :)
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Stanghazi Fri, Mar 11, 2011 6:55:07pm |
re: #24 HoosierHoops
Gators? Well this year anything is possible..A few weeks ago I thought Texas was unbeatable and Pitt was a stud team...Now that all the great players in College are one and done there is a great drain of talent in College Basketball as they jump to the pros..The days of MJ, Magic or Bird playing for 4 years are long gone..It really sucks
Billy Donovan (or who we gators call Eddie munster) SEC coach of the year. Uh and Chandler Parsons!!!!
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:04:00pm |
re: #26 publicityStunted
Speaking of the pages, one feature I'd love to see on the "Featured Pages" and "Recent Pages" sidebars is a "Refresh" button - so we can see the latest items there without having to reload the whole site. Yet another addition to the great LGF library of cool AJAX tools :)
Seconded. I was thinking about that as well.
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:06:55pm |
Brooke Alvarez has become lodged in my head. I find this disturbing.
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Four More Tears Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:13:16pm |
re: #29 wozzablog
Brooke Alvarez has become lodged in my head. I find this disturbing.
Brooke thinks I smell. :(
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:13:54pm |
am headed off also.
G'night one and all, and i hope the hatchlings don't provide too much trouble.
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Stanghazi Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:14:32pm |
Where is everyone? Am I missing a great debate downstairs because I'm on iPhone?
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:16:32pm |
re: #33 Stanley Sea
Where is everyone? Am I missing a great debate downstairs because I'm on iPhone?
i think everyone is leaving you - alone - in the dark - with the iphone to combat hoards of new posters...............by yourself......as a test.....
(ok, i REALLY have to get Brooke Alvarez out of my head now)
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:19:10pm |
re: #33 Stanley Sea
Where is everyone? Am I missing a great debate downstairs because I'm on iPhone?
Srsly though - i have no idea and was just on the way to bed.
G'night
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Stanghazi Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:20:01pm |
re: #34 wozzablog
i think everyone is leaving you - alone - in the dark - with the iphone to combat hoards of new posters...by yourself...as a test...
(ok, i REALLY have to get Brooke Alvarez out of my head now)
Cruel.
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:20:48pm |
OK... why was Celine Dion a hit in the US, and not Red Rider?
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austin_blue Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:23:05pm |
Evening all!
Hard day at work, only got lunch hour to take a look at the videos out of Japan and the datasets of that quake. Truly astonishing stuff. As I said last night, most of the activity in the area has been strike/slip, where the plates grind against each other sideways. It was very common. In this case, there were three strike/slip forequakes, 7.2, 6.1, and another 6.1, in the 36-48-hour range prior to the Big One.
And when The Thing ruptured, it started slowly from the hypocenter and then quickly increased in energy over the second 50 second period. Total energy release was about 6 times that of the 1906 San Francisco quake. The SF quake had +/- 90% of its energy in strike/slip movement. It's destruction was caused by sideways acceleration, like the recent Haiti quake.
This bad boy had at least that much power in lateral energy alone. But the rest of it, the large majority, went into allowing the Asian plate to suddenly SNAP UPWARD 90-120 feet along a distance of over 140 miles relative to the ocean crust that had been slowly been pushing it down for known history.
Water can't compress. It must be displaced.
Now imagine that you are in a helicopter eighty miles off the coast of Japan at an altitude of, say, forty feet. Five seconds later, you notice that your skids are underwater. Looking to the east, you notice that the water is even higher. A LOT higher. Then, both crests recede to the east and west at a terrifying rate of speed. If you turned west and immediately accelerated to 200 MPH, you still wouldn't get to the coast before a 35-foot monster of a wave did.
That, my friends is power. Terra-joules of energy. Terrifying, unstoppable, and a sad and poignant reminder of how small and helpless we are to natural forces.
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Political Atheist Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:23:46pm |
re: #33 Stanley Sea
Hi Stanley,
Happy Friday!
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Stanghazi Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:24:25pm |
Blah, but I've mentioned our local Japanese restaurant we go to every other night. Going there tonight w/the hopes that their fam are safe.
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Decider Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:26:32pm |
Mike Brant has the same chance as all the other GOP candidates for President against Obama in 2012. The Republicans keep themselves in the Fox News/Hot Air/Right Wing media will no understand how they lost to the Socialist/Marxist/Communist/Muslim/Kenyan Obama.
Of course when all else fails just blame the "Liberal Bias Media" for all your problems. For conservatives, that train is never late.
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Stanghazi Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:26:47pm |
re: #38 austin_blue
Evening all!
Hard day at work, only got lunch hour to take a look at the videos out of Japan and the datasets of that quake. Truly astonishing stuff. As I said last night, most of the activity in the area has been strike/slip, where the plates grind against each other sideways. It was very common. In this case, there were three strike/slip forequakes, 7.2, 6.1, and another 6.1, in the 36-48-hour range prior to the Big One.
And when The Thing ruptured, it started slowly from the hypocenter and then quickly increased in energy over the second 50 second period. Total energy release was about 6 times that of the 1906 San Francisco quake. The SF quake had +/- 90% of its energy in strike/slip movement. It's destruction was caused by sideways acceleration, like the recent Haiti quake.
This bad boy had at least that much power in lateral energy alone. But the rest of it, the large majority, went into allowing the Asian plate to suddenly SNAP UPWARD 90-120 feet along a distance of over 140 miles relative to the ocean crust that had been slowly been pushing it down for known history.
Water can't compress. It must be displaced.
Now imagine that you are in a helicopter eighty miles off the coast of Japan at an altitude of, say, forty feet. Five seconds later, you notice that your skids are underwater. Looking to the east, you notice that the water is even higher. A LOT higher. Then, both crests recede to the east and west at a terrifying rate of speed. If you turned west and immediately accelerated to 200 MPH, you still wouldn't get to the coast before a 35-foot monster of a wave did.
That, my friends is power. Terra-joules of energy. Terrifying, unstoppable, and a sad and poignant reminder of how small and helpless we are to natural forces.
Omg, again
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Girth Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:28:27pm |
re: #12 HoosierHoops
The video reminded me of the political version of the life of Brian
I've been itching to watch some Python tonight, but couldn't make up my mind which one to watch. Thanks for deciding for me.
Now for the extra butter popcorn...
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Stanghazi Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:28:55pm |
re: #39 Rightwingconspirator
Hi Stanley,
Happy Friday!
Hi RWC!!! My best to the D_L. Miss her (and she has an iPad all her own???)
SS=good memory
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austin_blue Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:29:02pm |
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:29:44pm |
re: #38 austin_blue
Great explanation. I love geology, but it sure doesn't always love us back.
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Political Atheist Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:31:17pm |
re: #38 austin_blue
A more robust emergency cooling system is a must for nukes in Japan and I would think California. I would have thought that well covered, but the best laid plans...
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:32:42pm |
re: #46 prononymous
Great explanation. I love geology, but it sure doesn't always love us back.
Stuff like this is what generates the sudden burials that make fossilization more likely.
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jaunte Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:35:10pm |
Erick son of Erick is saying Sen. Lisa Murkowski is "fighting to make sure your tax dollars are used to kill babies."
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]
Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska has come out in opposition to the House’s attempts to defund Planned Parenthood, making her the first Republican senator to specifically support the beleaguered organization.“I believe Planned Parenthood provides vital services to those in need and disagree with their funding cuts in the bill,” Murkowski wrote in a letter to Senate Appropriations Committee Chairman Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii) and Vice Chairman Thad Cochran (R-Miss.). “I ask you to consider these programs going forward to determine if there is room for allowing continued funding.”
[Link: www.politico.com...]
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:36:29pm |
Kudos to the lizards for the postings in the pages today. Great stuff.
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Four More Tears Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:38:48pm |
re: #49 jaunte
Erick son of Erick is saying Sen. Lisa Murkowski is "fighting to make sure your tax dollars are used to kill babies."
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]
That damn Lib Murkowski...
Of course, she really isn't beholden to anyone but the people of Alaska now, seeing how the party gave her the heave-ho in the last election.
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Interesting Times Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:40:02pm |
re: #49 jaunte
Erick son of Erick is saying Sen. Lisa Murkowski is "fighting to make sure your tax dollars are used to kill babies."
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]
He's just bitter that she pwned his "man crush" Miller.
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Stanghazi Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:40:33pm |
re: #49 jaunte
Erick son of Erick is saying Sen. Lisa Murkowski is "fighting to make sure your tax dollars are used to kill babies."
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]
Wow. She really is am independent mow! Go Lisa!
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sagehen Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:43:32pm |
re: #49 jaunte
Erick son of Erick is saying Sen. Lisa Murkowski is "fighting to make sure your tax dollars are used to kill babies."
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]
Exhibit A for why, when I don't know of any particular difference between the candidates on my primary ballot, I always vote for the woman.
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Interesting Times Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:46:18pm |
re: #49 jaunte
re: #51 JasonA
re: #53 Stanley Sea
re: #54 sagehen
Also see CuriousLurker's page about this.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:47:31pm |
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sagehen Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:49:56pm |
re: #56 Killgore Trout
God punishing hippies...
[Video]
"oh my god"
Since they had 10-12 hours notice... why didn't they advise boats to head out to sea for a few hours? If you're a couple of miles offshore, isn't it just a minor swell you'd hardly notice?
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jaunte Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:50:14pm |
re: #56 Killgore Trout
Lucky nobody took a flying splinter from the docks.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:51:28pm |
re: #57 sagehen
I assume they were all checking their trust funds and couldn't be bothered to skip yoga class.
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engineer cat Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:52:30pm |
anybody know of a less unstable planet i can hide out on for a while?
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:55:47pm |
re: #56 Killgore Trout
God punishing hippies...
[Video]
"oh my god"
I love the Santa Cruz Boardwalk.. We used to party there during spring break in College..
I think I'm still banned for life from the Casablanca Motel..
/
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austin_blue Fri, Mar 11, 2011 7:59:39pm |
re: #47 Rightwingconspirator
A more robust emergency cooling system is a must for nukes in Japan and I would think California. I would have thought that well covered, but the best laid plans...
Actually, they are on the back-up to the back-up. system. The emergency diesel generators were shattered in the quake. They went to battery systems to keep the pumps running, but unless they have fixed the diesels by know, they are pretty much kaput. I fear the morning will bring some more unpleasantness.
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austin_blue Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:00:39pm |
re: #57 sagehen
Since they had 10-12 hours notice... why didn't they advise boats to head out to sea for a few hours? If you're a couple of miles offshore, isn't it just a minor swell you'd hardly notice?
Yup. Five miles off and you'd be safe as kittens.
Wasn't the first time, either:
[Link: www.ktvu.com...]
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:02:08pm |
re: #64 ProLifeLiberal
What did you do?
who knew that we couldn't fill the entire room in Bubble bath and party naked with girls? No one had a sense of humor...
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Political Atheist Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:03:27pm |
re: #65 austin_blue
And this as I understand it is after the control rods all went in. Lots of latent heat that I had no idea about. How many days to cool off all the way?
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austin_blue Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:04:34pm |
re: #48 oaktree
Stuff like this is what generates the sudden burials that make fossilization more likely.
Especially when the tsunami pushes water six miles (!!) inland.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:13:47pm |
Instadouche's old lady interviews some other **** about liberated chicks emasculating girly men....
[Link: www.pjtv.com...]
Oddly fascinating but after 30 seconds all I hear is "cluck cluck cluck"
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:15:38pm |
re: #70 Killgore Trout
I haz been filtered.
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jaunte Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:16:52pm |
Power plants are back on the menu in Wisconsin:
UPDATED: Between Wisconsin Senate and Assembly Vote, Power Plant Sales Reappear
A big thank-you to xoff at UppityWisconsin for this find. Remember that power plant provision? It wasn't in the document passed by the Senate on Wednesday. But guess what! It was changed before the Assembly vote on Thursday to include it.
.......
Here's the language in the second version of the document:1. SALE AND CONTRACTUAL OPERATION OF STATE-OWNED POWER PLANTS
Governor: Allow the Department of Administration (DOA) to sell any state-owned heating, cooling, or power plant or contract with private entities for the operation of any such plant,
with or without solicitation of bids, for any amount the Department determines to be in the best
interest of the state.As a reminder, that power plant provision points directly to Koch Industries, who is already advertising for power plant managers.
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Buck Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:21:15pm |
re: #72 jaunte
As a reminder, that power plant provision points directly to Koch Industries, who is already advertising for power plant managers.
Actually there is nothing pointing to Koch, or any way to even point the advertisement to them.
Kinda sad how some people see things that are not there.
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freetoken Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:21:26pm |
re: #68 Rightwingconspirator
Even though the reaction is controlled (inherent in the design), the uranium will continue to decay and so there is always heat generated. That, btw, is the problem with some nuclear waste and having piles of it sitting around requires constant cooling.
Anyway, one report claimed that the central block would cool down after about a day. What the equilibrium temperature will be I don't know, but apparently it shouldn't be enough to cause the containment to be destroyed.
Yet even with all of that... this is a major power plant for TEPCO, and if this one, and the other one in Fukushima prefecture, are off line for the foreseeable future then it will hurt.
I haven't seen any report that would indicate the released radiation amounts to much. NIMBYism will make much of it. While I do think this event ought to raise serious questions about nuclear power, so far I'm pretty impressed that the Japanese could build a reactor that rode out an 8.9 quake without a major disaster.
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sagehen Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:21:28pm |
re: #72 jaunte
Power plants are back on the menu in Wisconsin:
UPDATED: Between Wisconsin Senate and Assembly Vote, Power Plant Sales Reappear
So Walker doesn't even care if he gets recalled; the sale will have gone through by then, and he'll have a nice job waiting for him as a $250k/yr power plant manager.
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Interesting Times Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:22:47pm |
re: #72 jaunte
Power plants are back on the menu in Wisconsin:
UPDATED: Between Wisconsin Senate and Assembly Vote, Power Plant Sales Reappear
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freetoken Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:24:16pm |
BTW, watching some of the new footage this evening from Japan it seems like the nuke thing is getting lots of attention but the fires, mudslides, landslides, and subsidence is on an extensive scale and certainly the death toll is going to go way up.
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jaunte Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:24:33pm |
re: #70 Killgore Trout
Mixed reviews of the book, leading off with "Nothing New Here"...
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
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jaunte Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:25:14pm |
re: #73 Buck
Which companies in Wisconsin do you think might buy the power plants?
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freetoken Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:26:25pm |
re: #78 jaunte
I find it hilariously ironic that a couple of women are chastising men for having other women... chastise men.
Dear Ms. Instadouche: You're no more able to tell me how to be a man than your notorious "feminists" can.
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jaunte Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:30:00pm |
re: #79 jaunte
Which companies in Wisconsin do you think might buy the power plants?
In a no-bid process, directed from the state's executive branch?
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sagehen Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:30:17pm |
re: #80 freetoken
I find it hilariously ironic that a couple of women are chastising men for having other women... chastise men.
Dear Ms. Instadouche: You're no more able to tell me how to be a man than your notorious "feminists" can.
I can tell you how to be a man.
Do you have a Y chromosome? Are you older than 21?
Done and done.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:31:15pm |
re: #82 sagehen
Do you have a Y chromosome? Are you older than 21?
May not apply to the genetically anomalous.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:33:13pm |
re: #80 freetoken
I find it hilariously ironic that a couple of women are chastising men for having other women... chastise men.
Dear Ms. Instadouche: You're no more able to tell me how to be a man than your notorious "feminists" can.
Well said and I'll refrain from expounding further as I've a few beverages under my belt.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:40:55pm |
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Buck Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:43:13pm |
re: #79 jaunte
Which companies in Wisconsin do you think might buy the power plants?
It looks like the ad posted by the Think Energy Group appears to be from Alliant energy because it contains some of the same language Alliant used in similar ads, see, e.g. [Link: www.nationjob.com...]
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:52:07pm |
re: #49 jaunte
ErickAsshole son ofErickAsshole is saying Sen. Lisa Murkowski is "fighting to make sure your tax dollars are used to kill babies."
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]
fixed
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Gus Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:55:13pm |
Well, my new neighbor hasn't been too loud other that the door slamming every 5 minutes sometimes. But get this. He left a bag of garbage right outside his door for about 6 hours now. And he's home. Maybe he's marking his territory.
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Interesting Times Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:56:18pm |
re: #84 Killgore Trout
You were the one who posted video of the swaying Japanese skyscrappers, right? Well, if certain Facebook comments I've just seen are any indication, they're now being used by Alex Jones fans as "proof" that airplanes couldn't have caused the WTC to collapse. *facepalm*
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jaunte Fri, Mar 11, 2011 8:58:17pm |
re: #86 Buck
I see. The no-bid sale is still a problem, Koch related or not.
A local citizen following this issue discovered that "ThinkEnergyGroup.com" solicited resumes just last week stating "Energy client is looking for experienced Plant Managers for multiple power plants located in Wisconsin." There is no indication which company is headhunting for plant managers for multiple power plants in Wisconsin. There is no indication that the job posting for multiple positions managing power plants is connected to the unilateral power to quickly approve power plant sales or to grant contracts to operate plants without bids, which Walker tried to rush through the legislature last week and which continues to be part of his budget bill. And there is no indication that the energy client referenced is a Koch Industries company. [Editor's note: one of the commentors has discovered that the ad posted by the Think Energy Group appears to be from Alliant energy because it contains some of the same language Alliant used in similar ads, see, e.g., [Link: www.nationjob.com...]
[Link: www.prwatch.org...]
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Stanghazi Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:02:09pm |
re: #81 jaunte
In a no-bid process, directed from the state's executive branch?
Fools they made us. The public employees.
I am so sad, but don't you worry GOP, I'm fired up.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:02:48pm |
re: #89 publicityStunted
You were the one who posted video of the swaying Japanese skyscrappers, right? Well, if certain Facebook comments I've just seen are any indication, they're now being used by Alex Jones fans as "proof" that airplanes couldn't have caused the WTC to collapse. *facepalm*
When the only tool you have is a hammer, all problems start to look like nails. All Jones has is conspiracy theories.
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Buck Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:03:49pm |
re: #91 jaunte
I see. The no-bid sale is still a problem, Koch related or not.
[Link: www.prwatch.org...]
OK with me. I could care less. BUT Crooks and Liars said it outright, and this site keeps insinuating it. Just seems wrong.
Some people are just seeing Kochs EVERYWHERE!
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jaunte Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:04:55pm |
re: #95 Buck
No-bid sales of state property directed by small groups of insiders are very easily corrupted.
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Buck Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:06:08pm |
re: #96 jaunte
No-bid sales of state property directed by small groups of insiders are very easily corrupted.
Convicting people before any actual misdeed takes place is kinda bad as well.
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jaunte Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:08:12pm |
re: #97 Buck
Maybe nothing is happening.
Notably, one of the provisions Walker's no-bid proposal would also void is a state law preventing a public utility furnishing gas to the public from altering the plant to connect it to a different pipeline from the previously kind of fuel, unless the public utility commission certified that doing so is necessary for the public interest and convenience (Section 196.49).As the Center has noted, the Koch brothers' financial interests include Koch Pipeline Company, which operates a pipeline system that crosses Wisconsin, part of the nearly 4,000 miles of pipelines owned or operated by the company. It also owns Flint Hill Resources, which distributes refined fuel through pipelines and terminals in Junction City, Waupun, Madison and Milwaukee. Koch Industries also owns the "C. Reiss Coal Company," a power plant supply company located in Green Bay, Manitowoc, Ashland and Sheboygan (the company supplies coal to power plants).
[Link: www.prwatch.org...]
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:10:36pm |
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reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:11:11pm |
re: #92 Pierre Leclerc
Republicans are assholes.
Many are, no doubt about it.
I know some Dems who are assholes, as well.
Generally, I think assholes are assholes.
Not all of us R's are, though.
Sorry to bust your bubble.
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austin_blue Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:11:32pm |
re: #74 freetoken
Even though the reaction is controlled (inherent in the design), the uranium will continue to decay and so there is always heat generated. That, btw, is the problem with some nuclear waste and having piles of it sitting around requires constant cooling.
Anyway, one report claimed that the central block would cool down after about a day. What the equilibrium temperature will be I don't know, but apparently it shouldn't be enough to cause the containment to be destroyed.
Yet even with all of that... this is a major power plant for TEPCO, and if this one, and the other one in Fukushima prefecture, are off line for the foreseeable future then it will hurt.
I haven't seen any report that would indicate the released radiation amounts to much. NIMBYism will make much of it. While I do think this event ought to raise serious questions about nuclear power, so far I'm pretty impressed that the Japanese could build a reactor that rode out an 8.9 quake without a major disaster.
Good points! It all depends on whether on not they have to vent steam. If the water begins to boil, it will create steam which will increase the pressure until it's not steam anymore, until the temperature rises and you pass equilibrium and it turns into steam again, &c. If you are forced into a position where you have to lower the pressure to keep from cracking the containment vessel, you have less water to absorb heat, resulting in more vented steam, and less water...
I can easily imagine the folks in that control room being physically unable to shit a sewing needle at this point.
God, if you happen to be up there, please keep them safe.
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Bubblehead II Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:11:51pm |
Evening Lizard. Yes, the World is going to Hell in a hand basket.
But I need I a link for a MP3 to a Don Williams Son.
You Are My Best Friend.
For those that may be outraged.
Fuck you!!
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jaunte Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:13:02pm |
re: #103 Bubblehead II
Here's one: [Link: beemp3.com...]
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reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:13:59pm |
I switched to "registered, no party affiliation" awhile back.
But I swear - I'm about to go back and re-register Republican just because of asshole broad-brush statements like, "Republicans are assholes".
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BishopX Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:15:06pm |
re: #106 Pierre Leclerc
Welcome hatching. May you live long...although is you think this is a progressive blog that may not be likely. There are some progressives here, but we're not even the majority.
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Stanghazi Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:16:15pm |
re: #104 Pierre Leclerc
Come 2012 the Republicans will go the way of the dinosaurs. The economy is booming like it was under Clinton. Obama will be sitting pretty for reelection.
Oh you are so very optimistic. I see Sister Sarah.
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sagehen Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:16:57pm |
re: #102 austin_blue
I can easily imagine the folks in that control room being physically unable to shit a sewing needle at this point.God, if you happen to be up there, please keep them safe.
Probably too late for that.
The news many hours ago was saying that radiation levels in the control room are more than 1000 times normal, and they've been there a full 24 hours already, probably at least another 24 go.
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Darlington Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:17:06pm |
re: #95 Buck
Is it wrong to see things when they're staring you in the face?
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prairiefire Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:19:33pm |
re: #110 BishopX
Welcome hatching. May you live long...although is you think this is a progressive blog that may not be likely. There are some progressives here, but we're not even the majority.
He/she is now blocked.
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palomino Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:19:59pm |
re: #109 reine.de.tout
I switched to "registered, no party affiliation" awhile back.
But I swear - I'm about to go back and re-register Republican just because of asshole broad-brush statements like, "Republicans are assholes".
No, they're not assholes. That adds nothing to the discourse.
Unfortunately the dominant voices in the gop now are xenophobic, homophobic, Islamophobic, anti-choice and anti-science. The moderates in the party who don't go along are a small quiet minority who get called RINO's and threatened with primary challenges (see Lugar, Graham et al.)
The internal culture war for the heart and soul of the gop is over--the far right won.
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prairiefire Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:20:00pm |
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freetoken Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:20:25pm |
re: #102 austin_blue
Well, TEPCO is warning of blackouts now and is pleading for people to cut back on electricity use.
Within the reactor some equilibrium temperature will be reached at whatever amount of water is left inside. Since by design run-away reactions are not possible the energy released by the usual U decay will only supply a bit of heat. Still, the energy will build up and will conduct to the outside via the solids (cement, steel).
Japan went for nuclear because they have very little natural gas, and using oil is too expensive, and coal is expensive to transport (for the amount of energy/weight).
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reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:20:40pm |
OOPs.
Pierre is blocked.
Shoulda seen that coming.
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jaunte Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:20:54pm |
re: #116 Gus 802
Probably one of the banned, using the same ip address again.
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:20:55pm |
re: #104 Pierre Leclerc
Come 2012 the Republicans will go the way of the dinosaurs. The economy is booming like it was under Clinton. Obama will be sitting pretty for reelection.
Welcome... Now wake up and smell the coffee...check your facts..9.8% unemployment is not a booming economy..As a registered Dem we have a lot of work to do
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:20:57pm |
re: #109 reine.de.tout
I switched to "registered, no party affiliation" awhile back.
But I swear - I'm about to go back and re-register Republican just because of asshole broad-brush statements like, "Republicans are assholes".
it was a troll :)
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Stanghazi Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:21:06pm |
Let the Hatchling figure it out rather than mass annialiate them. I see this happen to new hatchlings. Tough place. We lose good folks this way.
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Gus Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:21:54pm |
re: #122 jaunte
Probably one of the banned, using the same ip address again.
Guess we'll have to wait for the NTSB report.
//
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Girth Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:22:07pm |
re: #121 reine.de.tout
OOPs.
Pierre is blocked.
Shoulda seen that coming.
It posted a Page within 20 mins of registering. Smelled pretty fishy to me.
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palomino Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:22:34pm |
re: #123 HoosierHoops
Welcome... Now wake up and smell the coffee...check your facts..9.8% unemployment is not a booming economy..As a registered Dem we have a lot of work to do
It's actually 8.9%. Things are bad enough, please don't make them worse.
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Stanghazi Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:22:35pm |
Well fuck, that's what happens when you are on an iPhone and ions (Sr Sarah trib) behind
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reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:22:47pm |
re: #124 WindUpBird
it was a troll :)
Yea, I should have realized it.
re: #125 Stanley Sea
Let the Hatchling figure it out rather than mass annialiate them. I see this happen to new hatchlings. Tough place. We lose good folks this way.
Well, one way they realize it is when they're advised of such when they make asshole-ish statements.
Another way is if Charles blocks them, and ONLY Charles can block somebody. So I take that as a clue there was something quite fishy about Pierre.
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Gus Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:23:16pm |
re: #127 Girth
It posted a Page within 20 mins of registering. Smelled pretty fishy to me.
Really? What about? The page that is.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:23:37pm |
re: #127 Girth
It posted a Page within 20 mins of registering. Smelled pretty fishy to me.
I saw you call it.
I just got so pissed off . . .
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:24:02pm |
re: #127 Girth
It posted a Page within 20 mins of registering. Smelled pretty fishy to me.
You just wonder why someone like that doesn't have better things to do with their time
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:24:37pm |
re: #128 palomino
It's actually 8.9%. Things are bad enough, please don't make them worse.
LOL The Hoopster messes up the facts again..Somebody slap me
/not too hard
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Interesting Times Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:24:58pm |
re: #121 reine.de.tout
OOPs.
Pierre is blocked.
Shoulda seen that coming.
I could tell by the "booming economy" and "progressive blog" comments, and the blatant poking at D_F. It was a stalker doing what they consider an oh-so-sophisticated impersonation of a liberal 9_9
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Girth Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:25:27pm |
re: #131 Gus 802
Really? What about? The page that is.
"Paul Ryan wants to hurt poor and elderly."
Some over the top rhetoric, nothing special.
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prairiefire Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:27:11pm |
More quakes in Japan:[Link: www.abc15.com...]
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reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:27:30pm |
re: #135 publicityStunted
I could tell by the "booming economy" and "progressive blog" comments, and the blatant poking at D_F. It was a stalker doing what they consider an oh-so-sophisticated impersonation of a liberal 9_9
True. The "progressive" should have been a huge clue.
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Gus Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:27:37pm |
re: #136 Girth
"Paul Ryan wants to hurt poor and elderly."
Some over the top rhetoric, nothing special.
Yeah. A noob with an avatar and an LGF Page all within 20 minutes.
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freetoken Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:28:11pm |
Just over the transom from Kyodo:
BREAKING NEWS: Radioactive Cesium detected near Fukushima plant: nuke safety commission
14:13 12 March
BREAKING NEWS: Fukushima nuke plant might be experiencing nuclear meltdown
I remain skeptical of whether the media really knows what a "nuclear meltdown" means.
Still, it is concerning.
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jaunte Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:28:57pm |
Speaking of trolls, there are some really nasty people out there in twitter.
SashHatesYou sara ashleigh.
F--K Japan... we just lost an entire NFL season.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:29:30pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:29:35pm |
Enjoying the following in my headphones:
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austin_blue Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:29:45pm |
re: #104 Pierre Leclerc
Come 2012 the Republicans will go the way of the dinosaurs. The economy is booming like it was under Clinton. Obama will be sitting pretty for reelection.
*Ahem*. We'll see. I certainly hope you are correct, but it may be likelier that you will receive a unicorn from FedEx tomorrow. Things are, at best, tenuous right now.
Even the hard R's in Texas are now realizing that "starving the beast" means that in trying to shrink government you are really screwing over your constituents.
Gasp! Who knew?
We have a 4.3 billion dollar hole in the biennium ending September 1st, and to maintain services at the prior biennium's spending levels, we need another $27 billion. If you fired every State employee in the State on September 1st, you would save under $6 billion.
Of course, that would mean no regulatory oversight or checks and balances on anything. And no one to administer federal funds for Medicare and Medicaid. Or education. Or highways. Or courts. Or prisons. What could go wrong? It's a Grover Nordquist Utopia!
So you would have *no* State government and still be $21 billion (plus the $4.3 due through September 1st!) in the hole. We have a $9.5 billion "Rainy Day Fund " of cash reserves, but Gov. Rick "Goodhair" Perry doesn't want to use it because he wants to brag about his "Fiscal Conservative" bona fides when he runs for Prez in 2012.
I'm thinking we should just change the name of the State to "Rickbabwe" and have done with it.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:30:10pm |
re: #138 reine.de.tout
True. The "progressive" should have been a huge clue.
I liked the word progressive more when it referred to weird off-kilter rock music, I prefer just saying "liberal"
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:30:36pm |
re: #141 jaunte
Speaking of trolls, there are some really nasty people out there in twitter.
That's nasty. And shortsighted, too.
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austin_blue Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:31:49pm |
re: #77 freetoken
BTW, watching some of the new footage this evening from Japan it seems like the nuke thing is getting lots of attention but the fires, mudslides, landslides, and subsidence is on an extensive scale and certainly the death toll is going to go way up.
They haven't heard from a city that had a population of 71,000. Eerie, my man. I can't even imagine.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:32:16pm |
So, I finished my 2nd stained glass project today.
And I started soldering the joints, and oh, I was so proud, I was doing such a great job with it! No blobs, everything nice and smooth.
Then suddenly I realized my lead had melted in a couple of places, portions of it had disappeared completely, it quite simply had ceased to exist. My soldering iron had gotten too hot.
We were warned about this; I even tested the damned soldering iron to see if it was OK, and it was when I started, and supposedly, if you don't set it down but keep soldering at a regular pace, it won't overheat. But it did.
Now I have absolutely no clue whatsoever what to do about the ugly gaping spaces in my lead. ARGH!
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reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:33:31pm |
re: #147 austin_blue
They haven't heard from a city that had a population of 71,000. Eerie, my man. I can't even imagine.
Quite eerie. I saw someone say that on Anderson Cooper earlier tonight.
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palomino Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:34:00pm |
re: #144 austin_blue
And all of this bad fiscal news for TX broke right after Gov. Perry proclaimed that TX was an economic miracle that had escaped most of the damage of the Great Recession. Did he really not see this coming? Could he really be that oblivious about the state he's governed for ELEVEN years now?
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freetoken Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:34:04pm |
re: #147 austin_blue
Last night they were showing helicopter video of the fires there... which consumed part of the town.
In Japanese history, fires were the great enemy. The fires are what killed most of the people in the great Tokyo earthquake.
Videos shot this Japanese morning from the air showed the cement/steel structures standing, but the wood buildings gone, or covered under mud.
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austin_blue Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:34:19pm |
re: #117 prairiefire
He/she is now blocked.
So much for "Lucky Pierre". He came and went too fast.
Ba-da-bing!
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laZardo Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:35:40pm |
So I'm watching all the shit go down on the news today and rather than sympathy I'm feeling very... Carlin-esque.
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Stanghazi Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:35:40pm |
K, I'm off to see my favorite Japanese peeps (and their food). Will find out if their fam is safe. Good night LGF, pray for my laptop repair tomorrow!!
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palomino Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:36:33pm |
re: #135 publicityStunted
I could tell by the "booming economy" and "progressive blog" comments, and the blatant poking at D_F. It was a stalker doing what they consider an oh-so-sophisticated impersonation of a liberal 9_9
I don't get it. Someone is stalking DF? Why?
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Interesting Times Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:36:42pm |
re: #141 jaunte
Speaking of trolls, there are some really nasty people out there in twitter.
"F--K Japan... we just lost an entire NFL season."
Please tell me that comment was intended to be ultra-harsh satire of self-absorbed and shallow attitudes. Because if the person really meant it... *_*
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austin_blue Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:37:12pm |
re: #120 freetoken
Well, TEPCO is warning of blackouts now and is pleading for people to cut back on electricity use.
Within the reactor some equilibrium temperature will be reached at whatever amount of water is left inside. Since by design run-away reactions are not possible the energy released by the usual U decay will only supply a bit of heat. Still, the energy will build up and will conduct to the outside via the solids (cement, steel).
Japan went for nuclear because they have very little natural gas, and using oil is too expensive, and coal is expensive to transport (for the amount of energy/weight).
Sadly, this one of its oldest reactors (1972). The best laid plans, etc. This could very easily be a TMI scenario, if not a "China Syndrome".
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:38:35pm |
re: #157 austin_blue
Sadly, this one of its oldest reactors (1972). The best laid plans, etc. This could very easily be a TMI scenario, if not a "China Syndrome".
Remind me what that means, please.
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Bubblehead II Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:38:57pm |
Good Night Lizards. May you sleep well.
bratwurst
Buck
Charles
Dark_Falcon
Darlington
darthstar
Fat Bastard Vegetarian
freetoken
Girth
goddamnedfrank
Gus 802
HoosierHoops
JasonA
jaunte
Killgore Trout
Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Naso Tang
NJDhockeyfan
oaktree
Obdicut
ozbloke
palomino
prairiefire
ProLifeLiberal
publicityStunted
Racer X
reine.de.tout
sagehen
Simply Sarah
Sinistershade
Spocomptonite
WindUpBird
wlewisiii
zora
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jaunte Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:39:31pm |
re: #156 publicityStunted
Looking at the rest of her tweets, I think it's an unironic example of self absorbed/shallow behavior.
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Interesting Times Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:39:39pm |
re: #155 palomino
I don't get it. Someone is stalking DF? Why?
I was referring to the LGF stalker blog. If you don't know what that is, you don't want to.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:40:03pm |
Hey all!
I don't think I can manage a wingnut tag. Is it hard?
How has the day been? I hope those affected by the Tsunami, hell, I don't know what to say. What is there to say? Nothing that will help.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:40:05pm |
re: #118 palomino
No, they're not assholes. That adds nothing to the discourse.
Unfortunately the dominant voices in the gop now are xenophobic, homophobic, Islamophobic, anti-choice and anti-science. The moderates in the party who don't go along are a small quiet minority who get called RINO's and threatened with primary challenges (see Lugar, Graham et al.)
The internal culture war for the heart and soul of the gop is over--the far right won.
No argument from me on that!
A friend sent me a cute little Rhino figure. I've got it sitting here right in front of me right now.
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palomino Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:40:28pm |
re: #161 publicityStunted
I was referring to the LGF stalker blog. If you don't know what that is, you don't want to.
So people there stalk DF? Why? Cuz he's a RINO?
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austin_blue Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:41:20pm |
re: #144 austin_blue
*Ahem*. We'll see. I certainly hope you are correct, but it may be likelier that you will receive a unicorn from FedEx tomorrow. Things are, at best, tenuous right now.
Even the hard R's in Texas are now realizing that "starving the beast" means that in trying to shrink government you are really screwing over your constituents.
Gasp! Who knew?
We have a 4.3 billion dollar hole in the biennium ending September 1st, and to maintain services at the prior biennium's spending levels, we need another $27 billion. If you fired every State employee in the State on September 1st, you would save under $6 billion.
Of course, that would mean no regulatory oversight or checks and balances on anything. And no one to administer federal funds for Medicare and Medicaid. Or education. Or highways. Or courts. Or prisons. What could go wrong? It's a Grover Nordquist Utopia!
So you would have *no* State government and still be $21 billion (plus the $4.3 due through September 1st!) in the hole. We have a $9.5 billion "Rainy Day Fund " of cash reserves, but Gov. Rick "Goodhair" Perry doesn't want to use it because he wants to brag about his "Fiscal Conservative" bona fides when he runs for Prez in 2012.
I'm thinking we should just change the name of the State to "Rickbabwe" and have done with it.
You mean I spent that much time composing such an erudite response to a troll?
Fuck me running. My already tiny Irish penis is contracting in shame (oh, wait, it just retracted into my abdomen).
Hope the rest of you appreciated it.
{pulls forelock, bows, exits stage right}
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palomino Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:41:38pm |
re: #163 reine.de.tout
No argument from me on that!
A friend sent me a cute little Rhino figure. I've got it sitting here right in front of me right now.
For a party to be healthy, it needs more than one wing. I only see one functioning wing in the gop right now.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:42:03pm |
And now stalker Rodan is bragging about the sockpuppets he registered here. I doubt even 1 got by Charles' filter. Well, at least he proved that Charles still lives in his head. Lies and stalking are still in vogue at the blog of the damned.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:42:24pm |
re: #148 reine.de.tout
So, I finished my 2nd stained glass project today.
And I started soldering the joints, and oh, I was so proud, I was doing such a great job with it! No blobs, everything nice and smooth.
Then suddenly I realized my lead had melted in a couple of places, portions of it had disappeared completely, it quite simply had ceased to exist. My soldering iron had gotten too hot.
We were warned about this; I even tested the damned soldering iron to see if it was OK, and it was when I started, and supposedly, if you don't set it down but keep soldering at a regular pace, it won't overheat. But it did.
Now I have absolutely no clue whatsoever what to do about the ugly gaping spaces in my lead. ARGH!
Can't you get some sort of putty to fill it in? No one will notice . . .
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jaunte Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:42:56pm |
re: #148 reine.de.tout
So, I finished my 2nd stained glass project today.
And I started soldering the joints, and oh, I was so proud, I was doing such a great job with it! No blobs, everything nice and smooth.
Then suddenly I realized my lead had melted in a couple of places, portions of it had disappeared completely, it quite simply had ceased to exist. My soldering iron had gotten too hot.
We were warned about this; I even tested the damned soldering iron to see if it was OK, and it was when I started, and supposedly, if you don't set it down but keep soldering at a regular pace, it won't overheat. But it did.
Now I have absolutely no clue whatsoever what to do about the ugly gaping spaces in my lead. ARGH!
Are you working with the copper foil technique, or soldering the lead cames together?
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Kragar Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:44:07pm |
re: #167 Dark_Falcon
And now stalker Rodan is bragging about the sockpuppets he registered here. I doubt even 1 got by Charles' filter. Well, at least he proved that Charles still lives in his head. Lies and stalking are still in vogue at the blog of the damned.
Because nothing else in the world is as important as registering fake accounts at a blog you don't like anymore. Why can't you understand that?
/
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Interesting Times Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:44:26pm |
re: #164 palomino
So people there stalk DF? Why? Cuz he's a RINO?
It's a long, ugly, complicated story (and I don't even know the half of it, truth be told; only what I've picked up through the "osmosis" of being here). Dig up some of LVQ's old pages if you really want to know.
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austin_blue Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:45:05pm |
re: #150 palomino
And all of this bad fiscal news for TX broke right after Gov. Perry proclaimed that TX was an economic miracle that had escaped most of the damage of the Great Recession. Did he really not see this coming? Could he really be that oblivious about the state he's governed for ELEVEN years now?
"My name is Field Marshall Doctor Ricky Perry Dada! And my people have elected me Governor For Life!!"
That ought to be funny satire. Sadly, it's just depressingly true.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:45:42pm |
re: #164 palomino
So people there stalk DF? Why? Cuz he's a RINO?
That's how they see me: As a weakling with no self-esteem who hangs around liberals and lets himself get beat on.
The real reason they go after me is that I refused to go crazy like them post 2008 and I call them on their bullshit.
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palomino Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:47:03pm |
re: #171 publicityStunted
It's a long, ugly, complicated story (and I don't even know the half of it, truth be told; only what I've picked up through the "osmosis" of being here). Dig up some of LVQ's old pages if you really want to know.
That's OK...if it involves internet stalkers I guess I know enough already. Not generally high quality people.
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freetoken Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:47:09pm |
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:47:16pm |
re: #173 Dark_Falcon
That's how they see me: As a weakling with no self-esteem who hangs around liberals and lets himself get beat on.
The real reason they go after me is that I refused to go crazy like them post 2008 and I call them on their bullshit.
oooh, DF.
what is post 2008?
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Girth Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:47:22pm |
re: #167 Dark_Falcon
And now stalker Rodan is bragging about the sockpuppets he registered here. I doubt even 1 got by Charles' filter. Well, at least he proved that Charles still lives in his head. Lies and stalking are still in vogue at the blog of the damned.
It must be impossible to maintain a relationship like that. I mean as soon as you tell your girlfriend what you do with your spare time, how fast is that chick running out the door?
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:47:57pm |
re: #177 Girth
It must be impossible to maintain a relationship like that. I mean as soon as you tell your girlfriend what you do with your spare time, how fast is that chick running out the door?
Basement denizens dream of girlfriends.
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Kragar Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:48:44pm |
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palomino Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:49:38pm |
re: #173 Dark_Falcon
That's how they see me: As a weakling with no self-esteem who hangs around liberals and lets himself get beat on.
The real reason they go after me is that I refused to go crazy like them post 2008 and I call them on their bullshit.
They're wrong. If you had no self-esteem, you'd go to an echo chamber.
Yes, a certain segment of the population went nuts after the 08 election. I hate to think it was all because Obama's black with a Muslim sounding name, but I haven't heard any better explanations.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:50:01pm |
re: #179 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Anything after the year 2008.
Oh my, what does it mean when you post after 2008?
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:50:23pm |
re: #172 austin_blue
"My name is Field Marshall Doctor Ricky Perry Dada! And my people have elected me Governor For Life!!"
That ought to be funny satire. Sadly, it's just depressingly true.
Well, he's not murderous like Idi Amin, but he also won't get Yaphet Koto or Forrest Whittaker to play him in movies. He's just proven an asshole. Now I know why the people of the subdivision near Dallas where George W. Bush now lives are so fiercely loyal to him: [in jest] They wish he was still governor[/in jest].
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Kragar Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:51:17pm |
re: #181 ggt
Oh my, what does it mean when you post after 2008?
I could tell you, but...I've said too much.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:51:27pm |
re: #176 ggt
oooh, DF.
what is post 2008?
It refers to the way too many conservatives have gone nuts since Obama was elected.
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jaunte Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:51:51pm |
re: #183 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
You can observe a lot just by watching.
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austin_blue Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:52:09pm |
re: #151 freetoken
Last night they were showing helicopter video of the fires there... which consumed part of the town.
In Japanese history, fires were the great enemy. The fires are what killed most of the people in the great Tokyo earthquake.
Videos shot this Japanese morning from the air showed the cement/steel structures standing, but the wood buildings gone, or covered under mud.
Yup. Ripped out down to the concrete pads.
The Japanese are very uncomfortable in mentioning bad news. You don't get "cancer", you will be informed of a "significant health issue". It's all about face, and preparing people to absorb major emotional hits at what is accepted to be a proper pace.
Odd, but there you go. Not Americans. We want the bad news straight up, a shot of whiskey, and a frank discussion of what we need to do to fix the fucker. Even if there is no fix.
Culture. Go figure.
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:54:49pm |
Night all. Awful day for Japan and I hope the nuclear plant issues get fixed without additional environmental harm and power generation issues.
Hopefully a better tomorrow.
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austin_blue Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:54:58pm |
re: #158 Dark_Falcon
Remind me what that means, please.
Kindly Google Three Mile Island. Partial core meltdown. Killed reactor construction in the US for decades. MAJOR fuckup in design, monitoring, and management.
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Kragar Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:55:30pm |
And now I realize I could have alluded to a post number 2008 from an old thread and had people digging in the archives for hours, if not days. I'm not on my game tonight.
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austin_blue Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:56:25pm |
re: #159 Bubblehead II
Good Night Lizards. May you sleep well.
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Buck
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Dark_Falcon
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Girth
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Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
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I gotta tell ya! I get no respect!
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:57:37pm |
re: #180 palomino
They're wrong. If you had no self-esteem, you'd go to an echo chamber.
Yes, a certain segment of the population went nuts after the 08 election. I hate to think it was all because Obama's black with a Muslim sounding name, but I haven't heard any better explanations.
fear of marxism and the new world order.
What I've come to understand is that the Brave New World is here, has been here and there is nothing we can do to stop it.
Mostly because most people haven't even recognized it.
I'm not so sure it's a "black" think as much as a "black and Muslim" thing. Obama also was a newcomer to national politics, it's as if the magician pulled him out of a hat and *poof* he is POTUS.
If Colin Powell had been elected POTUS there wouldn't be the same reaction.
Realization of global economics and the advent of instant global communication is causing a LOT of Cognitive Dissonance. What we are seeing on the fringes is and emotional reaction to that.
As I've said before, the earth has shifted on it's axis with the Chilean Earthquake; Pluto is no longer a planet; Mr. Spock is in touch with his feelings; and we have a Black man in the White House. Most people never thought even one would happen in their lifetime, and I mentioned four.
The world is changing fast.
Personally, it was Mr. Spock that caused me the most emotional trauma. :)
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:58:05pm |
re: #188 austin_blue
Kindly Google Three Mile Island. Partial core meltdown. Killed reactor construction in the US for decades. MAJOR fuckup in design, monitoring, and management.
I knew about Three mile Island, I just did not connect it to the acronym "TMI" which I have always used to mean "Too Much Information".
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:58:18pm |
re: #183 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I could tell you, but...I've said too much.
B.b.b.b.but, I'm here. I should know!
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austin_blue Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:59:09pm |
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Kragar Fri, Mar 11, 2011 9:59:50pm |
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jaunte Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:06:46pm |
This is bad:
maddow Rachel Maddow MSNBC
Nuclear safety commission in Japan cites cesium detection -- may mean a nuclear meltdown has occurred at fukushima.
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jaunte Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:07:29pm |
The operation at Fukushima No.1 plant to lower pressure of the containment vessel has been suspended due to high radiation levels at the site.Pressure of the reactor container is rising as its cooling system became dysfunctional due to a blackout and power generator breakdown. This has raised concern about possible damage to the container.
[Link: www3.nhk.or.jp...]
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:07:47pm |
re: #192 Dark_Falcon
I knew about Three mile Island, I just did not connect it to the acronym "TMI" which I have always used to mean "Too Much Information".
Sorry if that came out harsh. I wasn't trying to be short with you, Austin.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:09:27pm |
re: #197 jaunte
This is bad:
Oh, Hell. If its a meltdown, then say goodbye to support for nuclear power for at least ten years. And that isn't even the worst part. The worst is the lives that'll be ruined or lost.
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sagehen Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:14:15pm |
re: #150 palomino
And all of this bad fiscal news for TX broke right after Gov. Perry proclaimed that TX was an economic miracle that had escaped most of the damage of the Great Recession. Did he really not see this coming? Could he really be that oblivious about the state he's governed for ELEVEN years now?
I'm betting he knew, but for some reason thought he could keep anyone else from finding out. 'Cause he's just so much smarter than we are, y'know? We'd never catch on.
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laZardo Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:15:56pm |
re: #201 Dark_Falcon
Oh, Hell. If its a meltdown, then say goodbye to support for nuclear power for at least ten years. And that isn't even the worst part. The worst is the lives that'll be ruined or lost.
What I wanna know is who builds a nuclear power plant close to a faultline on the Ring of Fire. Seriously.
I know we did. In a way.
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sagehen Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:16:37pm |
re: #158 Dark_Falcon
Remind me what that means, please.
TMI is Three Mile Island; the phrase China Syndrome was meant to suggested that it burns so hot it just sinks into the ground and keeps burning and melting its way through all the way to the other side of the world and pop up in China.
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Kragar Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:17:37pm |
re: #203 laZardo
What I wanna know is who builds a nuclear power plant close to a faultline on the Ring of Fire. Seriously.
I know we did. In a way.
The problem with taking every conceivable precaution is that sooner or later, the inconceivable happens.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:17:38pm |
re: #204 sagehen
TMI is Three Mile Island; the phrase China Syndrome was meant to suggested that it burns so hot it just sinks into the ground and keeps burning and melting its way through all the way to the other side of the world and pop up in China.
So, if it is a China Syndrome in Japan and it melted thru, where would it pop-up? Not China.
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sagehen Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:19:12pm |
re: #181 ggt
Oh my, what does it mean when you post after 2008?
Specifically, after November 5 of 2008.
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freetoken Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:19:17pm |
Here's a Japanese broadcast segment (associated with the Japanese TBS network). A walk through of a neighborhood starts around 3:40, but at around 6:40 is some helicopter shots of that town which is mostly missing or burnt:
[Link: www.news24.jp...]
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Girth Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:20:08pm |
re: #206 ggt
So, if it is a China Syndrome in Japan and it melted thru, where would it pop-up? Not China.
Nowhere, because it's a myth.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:20:43pm |
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sagehen Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:20:52pm |
re: #186 austin_blue
Yup. Ripped out down to the concrete pads.
The Japanese are very uncomfortable in mentioning bad news. You don't get "cancer", you will be informed of a "significant health issue". It's all about face, and preparing people to absorb major emotional hits at what is accepted to be a proper pace.
Odd, but there you go. Not Americans. We want the bad news straight up, a shot of whiskey, and a frank discussion of what we need to do to fix the fucker. Even if there is no fix.
Culture. Go figure.
nah, we want OTT panic PANIC hysteria PANICK!! eleventy!11!, then we can tone it back and hey, it's not as bad as I thought, that's GOOD NEWS!
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:20:54pm |
re: #206 ggt
So, if it is a China Syndrome in Japan and it melted thru, where would it pop-up? Not China.
I think it would wind up here, or in Canada.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:21:39pm |
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Amory Blaine Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:21:43pm |
Aww. Video not working for me on Firefox.
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Amory Blaine Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:22:33pm |
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:23:37pm |
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Girth Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:24:03pm |
re: #212 Dark_Falcon
I think it would wind up here, or in Canada.
If I'm reading this map correctly the antipodes of Japan would lie off the coast of southeastern South America.
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freetoken Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:25:13pm |
re: #217 Girth
Yup, South Atlantic.
And for the US it's not China but rather the Indian Ocean south of the equator.
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austin_blue Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:25:39pm |
re: #199 Dark_Falcon
Sorry if that came out harsh. I wasn't trying to be short with you, Austin.
No worries! We're cool. Way too many acronyms on the Intrawebs. I don't text or tweet, so I don't know a lot of these newfangled shortcuts. I'm just an old fart.
Heh.
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Amory Blaine Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:25:58pm |
I had a Limbot spewing talking points non stop to me at work tonight. I was getting dizzy.
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freetoken Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:26:04pm |
Watching that video, which covers 5 or 6 different towns from the air, its hard to believe that very many people in those valley towns could have survived.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:26:45pm |
re: #217 Girth
If I'm reading this map correctly the antipodes of Japan would lie off the coast of southeastern South America.
Brazilian Syndrome?
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Gus Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:26:59pm |
re: #208 freetoken
Here's a Japanese broadcast segment (associated with the Japanese TBS network). A walk through of a neighborhood starts around 3:40, but at around 6:40 is some helicopter shots of that town which is mostly missing or burnt:
[Link: www.news24.jp...]
During...
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]
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Kragar Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:27:54pm |
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:30:56pm |
re: #224 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I believe that involves either a samba or a hot wax.
Nuclear meltdown would melt wax, I think.
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Gus Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:33:03pm |
Life on Earth is very tenuous. There is no master plan. There is no grand scheme.
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What, me worry? Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:33:28pm |
re: #220 Amory Blaine
I had a Limbot spewing talking points non stop to me at work tonight. I was getting dizzy.
Limbo Limbot
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tnguitarist Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:34:58pm |
Good evening.
I had to sit at the barber and listen to end-of-the-world stories today.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:35:39pm |
re: #228 tnguitarist
Good evening.
I had to sit at the barber and listen to end-of-the-world stories today.
Oh, how is it going to end?
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What, me worry? Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:36:07pm |
re: #226 Gus 802
Life on Earth is very tenuous. There is no master plan. There is no grand scheme.
There's a joke in there somewhere, but I'm too tired to think of it.
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Gus Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:36:17pm |
re: #228 tnguitarist
Good evening.
I had to sit at the barber and listen to end-of-the-world stories today.
Did it involve asteroids, black holes or liberals with advanced degrees and socialism?
/
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Gus Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:36:42pm |
re: #230 marjoriemoon
There's a joke in there somewhere, but I'm too tired to think of it.
Here's one. Sort of.
Nature is like the honey badger...
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What, me worry? Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:36:43pm |
re: #231 Gus 802
Did it involve asteroids, black holes or liberals with advanced degrees and socialism?
/
Well DUH!
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tnguitarist Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:37:00pm |
re: #229 ggt
Oh, how is it going to end?
They couldn't reach a consensus, but this earthquake/tsunami is proof that it's coming!
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What, me worry? Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:37:24pm |
re: #232 Gus 802
Here's one. Sort of.
Nature is like the honey badger...
I'm totally down with that.
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tnguitarist Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:37:41pm |
re: #231 Gus 802
Did it involve asteroids, black holes or liberals with advanced degrees and socialism?
/
Yes.
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Kragar Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:38:13pm |
re: #229 ggt
Oh, how is it going to end?
With everyone looking around the office and finally seeing how it all ties in while Verbal Kint loses his gimp, lights a cigarette, and makes his escape.
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Gus Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:38:37pm |
re: #235 marjoriemoon
I'm totally down with that.
Yeah. It just doesn't give a shit. You can't "ask" an earthquake, "No! Wait! Let me get out of this building first."
//
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What, me worry? Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:39:44pm |
re: #238 Gus 802
Yeah. It just doesn't give a shit. You can't "ask" an earthquake, "No! Wait! Let me get out of this building first."
//
It's more man than God, but I suppose that's another topic altogether.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:40:04pm |
re: #230 marjoriemoon
There's a joke in there somewhere, but I'm too tired to think of it.
I was thinking of:
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Gus Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:40:24pm |
re: #240 marjoriemoon
It's more man than God, but I suppose that's another topic altogether.
They said there wouldn't be any math.
//
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:41:31pm |
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What, me worry? Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:41:40pm |
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Girth Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:41:58pm |
Oh shit! It's May 21, not March 21 that the Rapture is happening.
I only have enough food and booze for 9 more days. I figured I'd be able to loot what I needed after that.
Silly me. Reading comprehension FTW.
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tnguitarist Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:42:09pm |
Actual line by a friend of my wife's on facebook: "Who knew that global warming causes earthquakes?". My answer:"2+3=shoe"
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freetoken Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:42:35pm |
re: #223 Gus 802
Yes, that BBC compilation shows the air shots of the plain near the ocean during the tsunami. However, the affected area was quite larger. Parts of the area have mountains almost down to the shoreline, check out the video I linked, starting about 11:05, where one such small community that lived in a small river valley shows how the wave followed the valley upstream.
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jaunte Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:42:59pm |
re: #226 Gus 802
Life on Earth is very tenuous. There is no master plan. There is no grand scheme.
Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour,
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned,
A sun that is the source of all our power.
The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour,
Of the galaxy we call the 'Milky Way'
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Gus Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:43:32pm |
re: #249 freetoken
Yes, that BBC compilation shows the air shots of the plain near the ocean during the tsunami. However, the affected area was quite larger. Parts of the area have mountains almost down to the shoreline, check out the video I linked, starting about 11:05, where one such small community that lived in a small river valley shows how the wave followed the valley upstream.
Didn't see a specific video at your link. Just got the front page of sorts. Which one?
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:43:41pm |
re: #250 jaunte
Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour,
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned,
A sun that is the source of all our power.
The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour,
Of the galaxy we call the 'Milky Way'[Video]
that's a lot of math
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austin_blue Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:44:11pm |
re: #208 freetoken
Here's a Japanese broadcast segment (associated with the Japanese TBS network). A walk through of a neighborhood starts around 3:40, but at around 6:40 is some helicopter shots of that town which is mostly missing or burnt:
[Link: www.news24.jp...]
You can tell he's in disaster mode. He's wearing the Blue Hard Hat of Preparation. And the Chin Strap of Concern.
Note the rest of the people in the newsroom.
Comments on the video:
Sweet baby jeebus, anyone on the street when that The Thing came in is most surely dead.
The refinery fire indicates that feed and process lines feeding the cracking towers are toast. Gravity feed from the above-ground storage tanks will continue to feed fuel to those fires. That facility is well and truly fucked.
That town center took a solid 30- 40 feet of water.
Chilling shit! Could the death toll approach Haiti's?
Jeez. Major blow to a major industrialized country.
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Girth Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:44:33pm |
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:45:47pm |
re: #254 Girth
Dennis DeYoung and Styx Live in Concert in 1996?
Yeah, that's a joke alright.
It was bullshit, but I was thinking of the end of the world stories and such.
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Gus Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:45:50pm |
re: #250 jaunte
Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour,
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned,
A sun that is the source of all our power.
The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour,
Of the galaxy we call the 'Milky Way'[Video]
I wonder sometimes. Here we are. The "pale blue dot" literally suspended in the vast open space of the Milky Way. And we have to deal with all of lifes troubles most of which we created 1000s of years ago. We still live in system based largely on Bronze Age values. Then I think about what Frank Zappa said. Being an adult is like high school only with more money.
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What, me worry? Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:47:01pm |
re: #250 jaunte
Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour,
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned,
A sun that is the source of all our power.
The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour,
Of the galaxy we call the 'Milky Way'[Video]
Oooo many updings to you! That's one of my most favorite tunes.
There's a dude that plays Galileo, and looks like him! at the ren faire. He has an astronomy tent with all the moon phases and planets inside. He puts on a play about it and then another guy plays this song. It's ultimate coolness.
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Gus Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:47:40pm |
re: #249 freetoken
Yes, that BBC compilation shows the air shots of the plain near the ocean during the tsunami. However, the affected area was quite larger. Parts of the area have mountains almost down to the shoreline, check out the video I linked, starting about 11:05, where one such small community that lived in a small river valley shows how the wave followed the valley upstream.
OK. I got it. It's buffering right now. I remember checking out some NHK videos a while back. Buffering, buffering, buffering...
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:47:47pm |
re: #256 Gus 802
I wonder sometimes. Here we are. The "pale blue dot" literally suspended in the vast open space of the Milky Way. And we have to deal with all of lifes troubles most of which we created 1000s of years ago. We still live in system based largely on Bronze Age values. Then I think about what Frank Zappa said. Being an adult is like high school only with more money.
Even as an adult, we are still just human beings. Not Gods or even Superman.
I'm just happy that I have my own home.
In my younger days, I'd go out at night to get away from my parents or roommates. Now, I can stay home. It's kinda nice.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:51:02pm |
It would also be kinda nice if I could get a new back.
I'd take the Walmart version until I could save up for (or get a loan for) the Neiman Marcus version.
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Gus Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:51:44pm |
re: #261 ggt
It would also be kinda nice if I could get a new back.
I'd take the Walmart version until I could save up for (or get a loan for) the Neiman Marcus version.
I'll take an Ibanez neck while you're out shopping for a new back.
//
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Kragar Fri, Mar 11, 2011 10:52:18pm |
re: #260 Gus 802
Why's he the only one in the studio wearing a hard hat?
Because he's decided he aint going to be without one.
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austin_blue Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:00:30pm |
re: #221 freetoken
Watching that video, which covers 5 or 6 different towns from the air, its hard to believe that very many people in those valley towns could have survived.
Yup. With water flowing up to six miles (!!) inland, the official reports are being very conservative about casualties. This is going to be a potential backbreaker for the Japanese government without international help.
Damn. Last night I was all "calm down, this subduction zone hasn't produced any Indonesia-like vertical ruptures" and now it's fuck me naked. This is a horror show. That's exactly what happened.
When you're wrong, you're wrong. That plate hadn't done anything like this. Ever. In recorded history. Just goes to show that science is a mutable thing. Every new data point is an "oh, look!" moment. No one could have predicted this. Certainly not for evacuation purposes. At least with our present level of knowledge of plate tectonics and rupture zones.
Just goes to show that history is longer than we have records. Those poor people. My soul cries out for them.
Horrific.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:05:13pm |
re: #265 austin_blue
Yup. With water flowing up to six miles (!!) inland, the official reports are being very conservative about casualties. This is going to be a potential backbreaker for the Japanese government without international help.
Damn. Last night I was all "calm down, this subduction zone hasn't produced any Indonesia-like vertical ruptures" and now it's fuck me naked. This is a horror show. That's exactly what happened.
When you're wrong, you're wrong. That plate hadn't done anything like this. Ever. In recorded history. Just goes to show that science is a mutable thing. Every new data point is an "oh, look!" moment. No one could have predicted this. Certainly not for evacuation purposes. At least with our present level of knowledge of plate tectonics and rupture zones.
Just goes to show that history is longer than we have records. Those poor people. My soul cries out for them.
Horrific.
Oh, I'm sure there is some Whacko out there saying that XYZ prophet on earth predicted it in code 100 years ago and if we'd just have given enough money, or sacrificed enough or rid ourselves of purple people, we would have been able to learn about it.
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Kragar Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:07:27pm |
re: #266 ggt
Oh, I'm sure there is some Whacko out there saying that XYZ prophet on earth predicted it in code 100 years ago and if we'd just have given enough money, or sacrificed enough or rid ourselves of purple people, we would have been able to learn about it.
If only we had more gold coins and survival seeds...
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:08:03pm |
re: #267 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
If only we had more gold coins and survival seeds...
Or wore our tin-foil hats. . . .
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austin_blue Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:13:09pm |
re: #266 ggt
Oh, I'm sure there is some Whacko out there saying that XYZ prophet on earth predicted it in code 100 years ago and if we'd just have given enough money, or sacrificed enough or rid ourselves of purple people, we would have been able to learn about it.
Well, if there is money to be made off of a monumental tragedy such as this, then I believe that an aggressive American Capitalist, spurned on by his entrepenuerial spirit would be the ideal Yankee Carpetbagger to do it!
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:13:58pm |
re: #269 austin_blue
Well, if there is money to be made off of a monumental tragedy such as this, then I believe that an aggressive American Capitalist, spurned on by his entrepenuerial spirit would be the ideal Yankee Carpetbagger to do it!
Every televangelist will be capitalizing on the opportunity!
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Girth Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:16:21pm |
Hey, if it's the end of the world then at least I can take comfort in the fact that things are going to get a whole lot more interesting around here.
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austin_blue Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:18:25pm |
re: #270 ggt
Every televangelist will be capitalizing on the opportunity!
Jeebus wants you to send me money to prevent such a tragedy impacting your kith and kin in Kansas, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Nebraska! It is by faith alone that hell and damnation will pass you by! Please send your donations, no checks please, just cash money, to the following address...
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:20:15pm |
re: #272 austin_blue
Jeebus wants you to send me money to prevent such a tragedy impacting your kith and kin in Kansas, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Nebraska! It is by faith alone that hell and damnation will pass you by! Please send your donations, no checks please, just cash money, to the following address...
Something like that.
They'll probably want to send missionaries to Japan.
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Kragar Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:26:01pm |
re: #271 Girth
Hey, if it's the end of the world then at least I can take comfort in the fact that things are going to get a whole lot more interesting around here.
[Video]
I prefer...
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laZardo Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:26:15pm |
Anon comment of the moment:
Somewhere, the whales are celebrating.
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Kragar Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:27:44pm |
re: #273 ggt
Something like that.
They'll probably want to send missionaries to Japan.
I know a guy who spends a few weeks each summer in Japan doing missionary work. I think its mostly English classes and bible studies at a Christian school there.
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Gus Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:28:23pm |
Peter King (R-NY) is scum. No Democrat would ever get away with the outright hypocrisy and bullshit he's pulling off.
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austin_blue Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:29:10pm |
re: #271 Girth
Hey, if it's the end of the world then at least I can take comfort in the fact that things are going to get a whole lot more interesting around here.
[Video]
Great tune, I saw them about four times at the 40 Watt. I was dating (awkward euphemism!) a girl from UGA.
You had to be there.
At the time REM were the third best band there. Better? The B-52's and Guadalcanal Diary. (REM got better!)
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Gus Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:33:11pm |
List of terrorist incidents in London
1970-1979
* 8 March 1973: The Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) conducted its first operation in Britain, planting four car bombs in London. Two bombs exploded, killing one person and injuring 180 others. Ten members of the IRA team, including Gerry Kelly, Dolours Price and Marian Price, were arrested at Heathrow Airport trying to leave the country.[5]
* 24 December 1973: The Provisional IRA left two packages which exploded almost simultaneously in the late evening on Christmas Eve. One was in the doorway of the North Star public house South Hampstead, which exploded injuring six people, and the other exploded on the upstairs verandah of the nearby Swiss Cottage Tavern where an unspecified number of people were injured.[6][7]
* 17 June 1974: A bomb exploded at the Houses of Parliament in London, causing extensive damage and injuring 11 people.[8]
* 7 November 1974: An off-duty soldier and a civilian were killed when a bomb was thrown through the window of the Kings Arms pub in Woolwich, and 28 people were injured.[9]
* 21 December 1974: A bomb was defused in Harrods department store in Knightsbridge, London. A second bomb was defused in the King's Arms public house in Warminster, Wiltshire.[9]
* 28 August 1975: Seven people were injured when a bomb exploded in Oxford Street, London. A telephone warning was issued to The Sun newspaper five minutes before the explosion.[10]
* 5 September 1975: Two people were killed and 63 injured when an IRA bomb exploded in the lobby of the Hilton hotel in London.[11]
* 6–12 December 1975: Four IRA members held two people hostage in the Balcombe Street Siege.[12]
* 27 March 1976: A bomb placed by the Provisional IRA exploded in a litter bin at the top of an escalator in a crowded exhibition hall, Earl's Court. 20,000 people were attending the Daily Mail Ideal Home Exhibition at the time. 70 were injured, 4 people lost limbs.[13]
* 30 March 1979, Shadow Northern Ireland Secretary Airey Neave was killed as he left the House of Commons car park by a car bomb planted by the Irish National Liberation Army (INLA) in 1979.[14][15]
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Girth Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:33:18pm |
re: #280 austin_blue
Great tune, I saw them about four times at the 40 Watt. I was dating (awkward euphemism!) a girl from UGA.
You had to be there.
At the time REM were the third best band there. Better? The B-52's and Guadalcanal Diary. (REM got better!)
For some reason I've always loved the background vocal, "It's time I had some time alone."
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Gus Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:33:37pm |
re: #281 Gus 802
1980-1989
* 10 October 1981: a bomb blast on Ebury Bridge Road next to Chelsea Barracks kills two people and injures 39.
* 26 October 1981: a bomb planted by the IRA in a Wimpy Bar on Oxford Street kills Kenneth Howorth, the Metropolitan Police explosives officer who is attempting to defuse it.
* 20 July 1982: Two bombs in Hyde Park and Regent's Park, London by the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) kill 11 members of the Household Cavalry and the Royal Green Jackets. Seven horses are also killed.
* 17 December 1983: Harrods was bombed by the IRA. Six people were killed (including three police officers) and 90 wounded during Christmas shopping at the West London department store. (See Harrods bombing)
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Gus Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:34:13pm |
re: #281 Gus 802
1990-1999
* 16 May 1990: Wembley IRA detonate a bomb underneath a minibus killing Sgt Charles Chapman (The Queen's Regiment) and injuring another soldier. No one was ever convicted of Sgt Chapmans murder.
* 20 July 1990: London Stock Exchange, the IRA exploded a large bomb at the London Stock Exchange causing massive damage.
* 18 February 1991: A bomb explodes in Paddington Station, damaging the building's roof but causing no casualties. Three hours later another bomb explodes at Victoria Station. One man is killed and 38 people injured.
* 10 January 1992: Small device exploded. No injuries, Whitehall Place, London SW1.
* 28 February 1992: A bomb explodes at London Bridge station injuring 29 people.
* 10 April 1992 Baltic Exchange bombing: A large bomb explodes outside 30 St Mary Axe in the City of London. The bomb was contained in a large white truck and consisted of a fertilizer device wrapped with a detonation cord made from Semtex. It killed three people: Paul Butt, aged 29, Baltic Exchange employee Thomas Casey, aged 49, and 15-year old Danielle Carter. Several people were critically or severely injured. The bomb also caused damage to surrounding buildings (many of which were further damaged by a second bomb the following year). The bomb caused £800 million worth of damage—£200 million more than the total damage costs resulting from all 10,000 previous explosions that had occurred relating to the Troubles in Northern Ireland. A new skyscaper was built on the site of the previous historic building.[16]
* 11 April 1992: A large bomb explodes underneath the A406 flyover at Staples Corner, causing serious damage to roads and nearby buildings including a B&Q DIY store and causing the closure of the junction. The blast was large enough to be felt many miles away.
* 12 October 1992: A device exploded in the gentlemen's toilet of the Sussex Arms public house in Covent Garden, killing one person and injuring four others.
* 16 November 1992: the IRA planted a bomb at Canary Wharf in the Docklands. The device was spotted by security guards and was deactivated safely.
* 28 January 1993: a bomb exploded in a litter bin outside Harrods, injuring four people.[17]
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Kragar Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:34:42pm |
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Gus Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:34:43pm |
re: #281 Gus 802
* 27 February 1993: a bomb exploded in a litter bin outside a McDonalds restaurant in Camden Town, injuring several people[18].
* 24 April 1993 Bishopsgate bombing: the IRA detonated a huge truck bomb in the City of London at Bishopsgate, It killed journalist Ed Henty, injured over 40 people, and causing approximately £1 billion worth of damage,[19] including the near destruction of St Ethelburga's Bishopsgate church, and serious damage to Liverpool Street station. Police had received a coded warning, but were still evacuating the area at the time of the explosion. The insurance payments required were so large that Lloyd's of London almost went bankrupt under the strain, and there was a crisis in the London insurance market. The area had already suffered damage from the Baltic Exchange bombing the year before.
* October 1993: Over eight days, a series of IRA bombs were left in various London locations. On 1 October, four bombs were left on Finchley Road, three of which exploded, causing damage to buildings and several injuries caused by falling glass. On 4 October, pairs of bombs were left in Highgate (where one failed to explode), Hornsey, and Archway, causing significant damage but no injuries. On 8 October, bombs exploded in Staples Corner and West Hampstead, again causing damage but no injuries.
* March 1994 Heathrow Airport, The IRA launched a series of mortar attacks on the airport, partially paralysing the capital's main air route.
* 9 February 1996 Docklands bombing: the IRA bombed the South Quay area of London, killing two people.
* 15 February 1996: A 5-pound (2.3 kg) bomb placed in a telephone box is disarmed by Police on the Charing Cross Road.
* 18 February 1996: An improvised high explosive device detonates prematurely on a bus travelling along Aldwych in central London, killing Edward O'Brien, the IRA operative transporting the device and injuring eight others.[20]
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moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:37:13pm |
re: #202 sagehen
I'm betting he knew, but for some reason thought he could keep anyone else from finding out. 'Cause he's just so much smarter than we are, y'know? We'd never catch on.
Texas is so red I don't think it would have mattered if he told the truth about the budget deficit. He would have blamed it on President Obama or liberals or teachers or illegals or all of the above and it would have worked.
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austin_blue Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:37:49pm |
re: #277 Girth
Wow
[Link: twitpic.com...]
Dude, really, that's nothing. There were waves of water up to 35' tall pushed up to six miles inland. This isn't sinkhole "wow", which is often associated with such a picture, this is tens of thousands of floating corpses "wow".
Which to me is more of an astonishing "where's Jeebus when you need him? Yeeew." than a wow.
Wow backatcha.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:37:58pm |
re: #155 palomino
I don't get it. Someone is stalking DF? Why?
They don't like him at the stalker blog.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:38:05pm |
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Gus Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:39:23pm |
re: #290 moderatelyradicalliberal
Was that a Color Purple reference? If so, LOL!
Nah. Racer X popped in. He didn't say much though.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:40:51pm |
re: #180 palomino
They're wrong. If you had no self-esteem, you'd go to an echo chamber.
Yes, a certain segment of the population went nuts after the 08 election. I hate to think it was all because Obama's black with a Muslim sounding name, but I haven't heard any better explanations.
I think they were nuts long before the 08 election.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:41:24pm |
re: #291 Gus 802
Nah. Racer X popped in. He didn't say much though.
Oh. The the way you said it made me think of a character in the movie. He said it the exact same way.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:42:19pm |
re: #292 SanFranciscoZionist
I think they were nuts long before the 08 election.
Yeah, those McCain/Palin rallies were something.
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austin_blue Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:42:29pm |
re: #287 moderatelyradicalliberal
Texas is so red I don't think it would have mattered if he told the truth about the budget deficit. He would have blamed it on President Obama or liberals or teachers or illegals or all of the above and it would have worked.
Well, it's worked well so far, so what the hell is your point, you goddamned Yankee Carpetbagger?
Do I hafta? OK. ///
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moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:43:27pm |
re: #279 Gus 802
Peter King (R-NY) is scum. No Democrat would ever get away with the outright hypocrisy and bullshit he's pulling off.
Thanks to our liberal media.
///
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Gus Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:45:28pm |
re: #293 moderatelyradicalliberal
Oh. The the way you said it made me think of a character in the movie. He said it the exact same way.
I thought it was a really good movie.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:48:33pm |
reports from surfing the intertubes after midnight:
Dig uncovers Boudicca's brutal streak.
"A dig in Colchester has revealed that, when Boudicca's troops seized the city in the first year of their two-year revolt that began in AD60, they went to enormous lengths to destroy anything touched by the Romans.Many of the houses in the city - effectively the capital of Roman Britain since the invasion of AD43 - were built of hardened clay and timber. According to archaeologists, they would have been very difficult to burn.
'These were not flammable buildings,' said Philip Crummy, who directed the dig. 'But they were levelled. It was a murderous, determined, intensive and deliberate attack.'
The dig found that every house had been carefully levelled, one by one, by the Iceni tribesmen. The new evidence is to be revealed on the digital channel BBC Knowledge later this month. "
Hell hath no fury. . .
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moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:51:16pm |
re: #298 ggt
reports from surfing the intertubes after midnight:
Dig uncovers Boudicca's brutal streak.
Hell hath no fury. . .
One of my favorite warrior queens. Seriously, I want a movie made about her starring Julianne Moore.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:55:48pm |
re: #299 moderatelyradicalliberal
One of my favorite warrior queens. Seriously, I want a movie made about her starring Julianne Moore.
Oh, YEAH.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:56:49pm |
re: #299 moderatelyradicalliberal
One of my favorite warrior queens. Seriously, I want a movie made about her starring Julianne Moore.
Julianne Moore? Not nearly tall enough. or athletic enough to pull it off.
it needs to be some supermodel, action hero type.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:57:16pm |
I gotta sleep, have a great morning all!
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Fri, Mar 11, 2011 11:59:27pm |
re: #48 oaktree
Stuff like this is what generates the sudden burials that make fossilization more likely.
Indeed, and that is a silver lining. Unfortunately it makes fossilized humans more likely too. I guess there will need to be something left for our cephalopod successors to find.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:00:15am |
re: #301 ggt
Julianne Moore? Not nearly tall enough. or athletic enough to pull it off.
it needs to be some supermodel, action hero type.
She has the face, though, and the character.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:02:15am |
re: #301 ggt
Julianne Moore? Not nearly tall enough. or athletic enough to pull it off.
it needs to be some supermodel, action hero type.
I guess was thinking red hair and real acting chops. Kate Winslet could do it but she might be too young and than there is the wonderful Cate Blanchett, but she's already done the warrior queen role. Maybe Uma Turman, she was awesome in Kill Bill. Whoever it would be couldn't just be good at action, but a real actress too.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:04:09am |
re: #303 prononymous
Indeed, and that is a silver lining. Unfortunately it makes fossilized humans more likely too. I guess there will need to be something left for our cephalopod successors to find.
I welcome our squid overlords!
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palomino Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:06:41am |
re: #191 ggt
fear of marxism and the new world order.
What I've come to understand is that the Brave New World is here, has been here and there is nothing we can do to stop it.
Mostly because most people haven't even recognized it.
I'm not so sure it's a "black" think as much as a "black and Muslim" thing. Obama also was a newcomer to national politics, it's as if the magician pulled him out of a hat and *poof* he is POTUS.
If Colin Powell had been elected POTUS there wouldn't be the same reaction.
Realization of global economics and the advent of instant global communication is causing a LOT of Cognitive Dissonance. What we are seeing on the fringes is and emotional reaction to that.
As I've said before, the earth has shifted on it's axis with the Chilean Earthquake; Pluto is no longer a planet; Mr. Spock is in touch with his feelings; and we have a Black man in the White House. Most people never thought even one would happen in their lifetime, and I mentioned four.
The world is changing fast.
Personally, it was Mr. Spock that caused me the most emotional trauma. :)
You're right--it's the racism and xenophobia mixed together that becomes so toxic. True about Colin Powell. Even a different black Dem president, say Harold Ford or Deval Patrick, wouldn't have his religion and American-ness questioned every damn day. Truly disgusting how the right has gone all nativist on Obama.
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Kragar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:16:28am |
re: #305 moderatelyradicalliberal
I guess was thinking red hair and real acting chops. Kate Winslet could do it but she might be too young and than there is the wonderful Cate Blanchett, but she's already done the warrior queen role. Maybe Uma Turman, she was awesome in Kill Bill. Whoever it would be couldn't just be good at action, but a real actress too.
Tilda Swinton
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austin_blue Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:17:55am |
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austin_blue Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:22:17am |
re: #301 ggt
Julianne Moore? Not nearly tall enough. or athletic enough to pull it off.
it needs to be some supermodel, action hero type.
Uma Thurman did well in the "Kill Bill" movies...
Damn valkyries..
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engineer cat Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:26:34am |
japanese reactor explosion just now
workers hurt
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Kragar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:28:15am |
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:29:15am |
re: #312 engineer dog
japanese reactor explosion just now
workers hurt
Oh no. Not a meltdown I hope?
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engineer cat Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:29:37am |
quake moved japanese main island 2.5 meters
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freetoken Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:30:24am |
NEWS ADVISORY: Shaking felt immediately before explosion at Fukushima nuke plant
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engineer cat Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:31:54am |
re: #315 prononymous
Oh no. Not a meltdown I hope?
TOKYO — An explosion was heard and smoke was seen at a quake-hit Japanese nuclear power plant on Saturday, officials said.
Several workers were injured by the blast at Fukushima Unit 1, Japanese TV station NHK reported. A trail of white smoke was seen at the site and shaking was felt, The Associated Press reported.
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engineer cat Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:37:16am |
FUK-1 Reactor One Outer wall has collapsed completely in an explosion. There are five reactors in the plant
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freetoken Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:47:22am |
NEWS ADVISORY: Nuclear safety agency to hold press conference soon
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freetoken Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:15:19am |
Video shows that FUK-1 building only has the metal skeleton standing. So much for the masonry.
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freetoken Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:16:33am |
It's not clear, from the news in English, whether it is the reactor housing itself, or if it is the building housing the electrical plant.
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Usually refered to as anyways Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:22:02am |
Damn
Links to explosion video anyone?
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freetoken Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:31:12am |
re: #323 ozbloke
There are no videos of the actual explosion, that I can find.
Again, what video they do show of the plant after the explosion raised the question of where exactly the explosion took place. From the image it looks like the generator (turbine holding) building, not the reactor containment building.
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Usually refered to as anyways Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:41:41am |
re: #324 freetoken
Thanks freetoken, got a link to what you saw?
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:45:30am |
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Usually refered to as anyways Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:46:48am |
Thanks guys,
It looks like a bad outcome.
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freetoken Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:47:36am |
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:50:02am |
re: #329 freetoken
Here's a direct link to that video, not a phone copy:
[Link: www.news24.jp...]
Thanks.
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Usually refered to as anyways Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:51:21am |
I can't get the video to load from the Japan site, it may be that I'm in Australia.
At the 47 second mark in Varek's link, sure looks like a big explosion.
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freetoken Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:56:05am |
re: #332 ozbloke
If you could watch the better video, during the magnified play back of the vid one can see the roof go up (very quickly) followed by what looks like a shock wave of steam and perhaps blue flame. It goes by in only a few frames.
Likely either superheated water broke out of a pipe and turned into steam, or there was a possible hydrogen source source (which would be weird.)
Anyway, remember that each unit is composed of several buildings, and I've been under the impression that these white cube buildings are the ones holding the turbines (which are fed with the super heated water that turn into steam to drive the turbines), and the nuclear reactor is in a separate building that is silvery blue.
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Usually refered to as anyways Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:59:15am |
re: #333 freetoken
I can actually see the roof go up in Varek's vid.
Thanks, thoughts and prayers to the Japanese, may it not be as bad as it looks.
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freetoken Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:06:53am |
Here's the satellite view:
[Link: maps.google.com...]
I believe the smallest of the 4 buildings, the northernmost, is the one that blew out.
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JoyousMN Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:34:26am |
The New York Times has a just updated story about the explosion.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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JoyousMN Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:40:49am |
And a rather more alarming take from the beeb
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]
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JoyousMN Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:53:26am |
re: #340 freetoken
I tend to agree. It's hard though. You know the officials are walking a line in how much to say because they don't want to alarm people. But then how do you know if they are telling the truth or minimizing it to keep fear levels down?
Not saying they are doing that...it just always runs through my mind whenever I'm reading official reactions.
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Kragar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:54:48am |
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Kragar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:59:41am |
death toll feared to top 1,600
The death toll has reached 564 so far, a police tally showed, while 200 to 300 bodies were transferred to Sendai, Miyagi Prefecture. It was also reported that another 200 bodies were transferred to gymnasiums in Iwanuma and Natori, both in Miyagi, while around 600 people are missing following the 2:46 p.m. quake with a magnitude of 8.8, the strongest ever recorded in Japan.
Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano on Saturday expressed the government's determination to bring relief to the disaster-hit areas. He told a meeting of the emergency disaster headquarters Saturday, ''This is the largest earthquake since the Meiji Era, and it is believed that more than 1,000 people have lost their lives.''
Following the explosion at the Fukushima nuclear plant, Edano said the government has instructed residents living within a 10-kilometer radius of the No. 1 and No. 2 nuclear plants to evacuate.
The total number of evacuees near the nuclear plant plus around 210,000 people evacuated in five prefectures, including Iwate and Fukushima, at the time when strong aftershocks continued, reached 300,000, according to the National Police Agency.
Fires in residential areas continued, with Kesennuma in Miyagi Prefecture experiencing three large-scale fires.
The number of partially or completely destroyed buildings has now reached some 3,400, with the number of fires that hit quake-affected areas totaling about 200, according to the fire agency. Meanwhile, the welfare ministry said 181 welfare facilities, including nursing homes, have been damaged.
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Usually refered to as anyways Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:59:43am |
Exclusion zone has been extended from aprrox 6 miles to 12 miles.
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JoyousMN Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:09:55am |
Does anyone know how long after the earthquake the tsunami's hit? I realize it will be different depending on how close the area was to the epicenter of the quake. I just wondered how much warning people got. The footage I've seen shows a fair number of people and cars. I wonder how many of the cars were parked and how many were being driven as the waves hit.
From what I've seen a death toll of 1600 would seem miraculously low. I can't believe how much devastation those waves brought. After the Indonesian tsunami of 2004 I watched those two videos of Banda Aceh. I had never really thought a lot about tsunami's, (in MN we don't have much cause) but after seeing that footage I was just amazed at how huge and how fast those waves move.
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freetoken Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:12:03am |
re: #342 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The problem I have with that translation, like many English language reports, is this:
... said Saturday afternoon that a
nuclear meltdownwas suspected at the Fukushima No. 1 ...
So, what is a "nuclear meltdown"? In this story and others I fear that the term brings ideas to mind that aren't accurate.
Uranium, like any other metal, has a melting point, in this case a bit over 1100C, which isn't very high (just a bit higher than copper.) What keeps a rod of enriched uranium from melting (from the freed energy from fission in atoms in the rod) is that the heat is conducted away through contact with another substance: air, water, etc.
What is not happening at Fuk 1 is a runaway nuclear reaction. What is happening, from all indications, is that the water level around the uranium has fallen enough to expose the uranium to air, which is not able to conduct heat away from the metal fast enough (water has an amazing heat capacity.)
That they have detected Cesium (which is a product of artificial fission) in the vicinity of fuk 1 - Cesium has a low melting point and is very chemically active. It is a product of artificial fission and would normally be found in the uranium rods. Since they detected some Cs it means the water which should have be around the uranium only within the physical container holding the uranium leaked out, taking some cesium salts with it.
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Kragar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:24:37am |
re: #346 freetoken
I'd ask my wife for what the original said except 1, she's asleep and 2, the technical stuff would get lost in the translation anyways.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:25:20am |
re: #344 ozbloke
Exclusion zone has been extended from aprrox 6 miles to 12 miles.
Could me one of two things, neither of them great
1), they think it's about to get a tad worse but aren't sure
2) they're about to try something preventative , but again aren't sure
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Kragar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:52:38am |
Egypt arrests Mubarak allies over camel charge
The Egyptian police have arrested two members of Hosni Mubarak's National Democratic (NDP) Party accused of organising violence against demonstrators during the uprising that swept him from the presidency.
The two NDP figures, both members of the now dissolved parliament, were arrested on suspicion of involvement in "bloody Wednesday," the state news agency reported.
It was referring to the events of February 2 when Mubarak loyalists mounted on camels and horses charged protesters, triggering a battle that was seen as a crucial moment in the 18-day uprising against the president.
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Unions = Innovation slash slash Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:57:04am |
Good Morning Lizards.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:58:13am |
re: #350 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Mubarak loyalists mounted on camels and horses charged protesters, triggering a battle
Between the camels and horses!?!?!
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:10:26am |
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:23:58am |
The latest from The Wall Street Journal. [Link: online.wsj.com...]
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:30:16am |
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:30:48am |
Oy.
Attention media!
There's a difference between a water moderated reactor (Fukushima) and a graphite moderated reactor (Chernobyl).
Sheesh.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:33:36am |
re: #357 Varek Raith
You expect the MSM to note any difference? They are trying to make this a "man bites dog story."
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Obdicut Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:34:03am |
Here's a great little background piece on Three Mile Island.
Maddow is doing a good job of spreading around actual information on this.
[Link: www.nrc.gov...]
And here's a thing from Discovery on the top 5 nuclear disasters.
[Link: news.discovery.com...]
And as Varek points out-- graphite burns. Water doesn't. Big difference.
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lawhawk Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:34:16am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. While we've got one eye on the flooding rivers and streams in our area, our hearts and prayers go out to the Japanese who are recovering from one of the strongest quakes in recorded history that has done tremendous damage to NE Japan and spawned a tsunami that roared through coastal Japan and even caused damage on the West Coast. Yet, even that damage seems to pale in comparison to the developing situation at Fukushima nuclear power plant, where an explosion was caught on video.
The US has deployed a carrier task force to assist in the relief efforts, headed up by the USS Ronald Reagan. The force is equipped with numerous helicopters, which are critical given how much of the infrastructure was damaged or destroyed by the quake and ensuing tsunami.
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lawhawk Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:38:31am |
re: #357 Varek Raith
Well, they see explosion and can't discern differences. There are numerous key differences between the design philosophy between the RBMK reactor at Chernobyl and the pressure water reactors (BWR) in use at TMI or Fukushima.
It's a difference from how the reactor containment functions, moderators used, and backup systems that should be in place to keep the systems safe.
Since the quake, Fukushima's oldest reactor (unit 1) has had problems getting coolant backup systems in place. Pressure in the reactor has jumped from 1.5 times to 2.1 times reactor design limits, so there's a tremendous concern about containment - we're talking about tremendous heat and pressure building in the reactor.
So, while the nuclear facilities are built with earthquakes in mind - this quake was well above what they are designed for.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:43:43am |
re: #356 RogueOne
The "republican" part or the "asshole" part?//
LOL
At least "Pierre" didn't paint with too broad a brush!!
//
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sattv4u2 Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:45:02am |
re: #359 Obdicut
And as Varek points out-- graphite burns. Water doesn't. Big difference.
The problem won't be the water, per se
It will be the lack of water as a coolant
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darthstar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:45:13am |
re: #361 lawhawk
It wasn't the quake so much as the fact that the quake cut off electricity, which they need to pump enough water into the cooling pools.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:45:57am |
re: #361 lawhawk
So, while the nuclear facilities are built with earthquakes in mind - this quake was well above what they are designed for
Revised upward to a 9.1 I think
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:46:33am |
I don't think we can engineer much of anything that can come out of a 8.9 without damage.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:49:03am |
re: #357 Varek Raith
Oy.
Attention media!
There's a difference between a water moderated reactor (Fukushima) and a graphite moderated reactor (Chernobyl).
Sheesh.
We live in a society in which homeopathy is a multi-billion dollar industry, "Jersey Shore" astonishingly has more than 3 viewers, and "Lady Gaga" (say that aloud 50 times) has sold more albums in the past 2 years than Bach, Beethoven, and Mozart combined have sold since the invention of the phonograph. No use getting worked up over the media's failure to explain nuclear reactor technology to people whose primary concern is making sure they don't miss a second of Dancing With the Nincompoops.
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darthstar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:52:18am |
re: #366 Varek Raith
I don't think we can engineer much of anything that can come out of a 8.9 without damage.
We could start building all of our structures out of bouncy castles...but that would really hurt the women's high heel shoe industry.
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:53:24am |
re: #368 darthstar
We could start building all of our structures out of bouncy castles...but that would really hurt the women's high heel shoe industry.
..but it could be a bonus for the bra industry
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sattv4u2 Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:53:32am |
re: #368 darthstar
We could start building all of our structures out of bouncy castles...but that would really hurt the women's high heel shoe industry.
But it would thrill the under age 8 demographic!
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darthstar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:55:31am |
re: #359 Obdicut
Here's a great little background piece on Three Mile Island.
Maddow is doing a good job of spreading around actual information on this.
Maddow opened her show with a detailed discussion of nuclear power with an actual nuclear scientist. I thought, "Interesting topic to focus on in light of the earthquake and tsunami, Rachel." turned off the TV shortly thereafter and went to bed. Now I see that she was ahead of the curve yet again.
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darthstar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 4:56:52am |
re: #370 sattv4u2
But it would thrill the under age 8 demographic!
And the over 40 given Rogue's astute observation.
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:00:49am |
Just for the record, I called this:
Saudi protests 'tempest in teacup'
[Link: news.theage.com.au...]
I was told there were saudi police and mutaween crawling all over Riyadh for days leading up to the non-event yesterday.
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lawhawk Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:01:07am |
re: #364 darthstar
That's true. The reactors automatically shut down as a precaution, but the backup systems failed to engage at Fukushima. The reactors need power to operate the backup systems so it is counterinituitive that a power plant itself needs power to keep the backup systems going. While the backup systems should have kicked in, for whatever reason they did not do so.
Further, there may have been further damage to the containment vessels and the structures, piping, and wiring systems that they have not yet acknowledged (and would come out in a full report after the crisis).
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:01:30am |
re: #372 darthstar
And the over 40 given Rogue's astute observation.
All it took was the word "bouncy" and the brain automatically went there...it's in my genes so it's not my fault.
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darthstar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:01:39am |
Reuters:
* Chief Cabiet Secretary Yukio Edano says there was an explosion at Tokyo Electric Power Co's (TEPCO) Fukushima nuclear power plant after the quake but not at the reactor container. He added that no large amount of radiation leakage was expected.
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darthstar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:02:42am |
re: #375 RogueOne
All it took was the word "bouncy" and the brain automatically went there...it's in my genes so it's not my fault.
Keeping it in your genes can be a problem when the brain 'goes there'...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:10:59am |
re: #378 lawhawk
Saw a picture of the explosion, though. It was a very "big bada-boom". Frightening scenario.
It will stop any new construction of a nuke plant here for the next... oh, forty years or so.
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darthstar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:11:49am |
re: #378 lawhawk
CBS News is saying that the outer building was damaged on unit 1, but the inner containment vessel was intact.
Photos show the extent of the damage.
That's not sexy news. Best to tell the networks they should hyperventilate about what could happen and how Obama couldn't stop it if it did.
Screw the facts...let's get ready for a string of Godzilla remakes.
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lawhawk Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:12:27am |
re: #380 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Sadly, I think you're right.
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:12:28am |
re: #380 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Saw a picture of the explosion, though. It was a very "big bada-boom". Frightening scenario.
It will stop any new construction of a nuke plant here for the next... oh, forty years or so.
That's certainly possible but it took an 8.9 quake and a tsunami to knock the plants out. I don't think they need to worry about either of those in, say, OK.
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darthstar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:13:32am |
re: #383 RogueOne
That's certainly possible but it took an 8.9 quake and a tsunami to knock the plants out. I don't think they need to worry about either of those in, say, OK.
Nope...just tornadoes. And oil maggots.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:13:51am |
re: #368 darthstar
We could start building all of our structures out of bouncy castles...but that would really hurt the women's high heel shoe industry.
But it would thrill the under age 8 demographic! re: #380 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Saw a picture of the explosion, though. It was a very "big bada-boom". Frightening scenario.
It will stop any new construction of a nuke plant here for the next... oh, forty years or so.
:(
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darthstar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:15:22am |
re: #384 darthstar
Nope...just tornadoes. And oil maggots.
Sorry...that should have read "oil executives"...please excuse the typo.
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abolitionist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:15:47am |
re: #371 darthstar
Maddow opened her show with a detailed discussion of nuclear power with an actual nuclear scientist. I thought, "Interesting topic to focus on in light of the earthquake and tsunami, Rachel." turned off the TV shortly thereafter and went to bed. Now I see that she was ahead of the curve yet again.
Great job Rachel.
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lawhawk Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:16:10am |
re: #381 darthstar
Well, in the moments after the explosion, I think a lot of people were thinking back to Chernobyl, the images of the nuclear fires and damage to the reactor and "containment" building and how the Russians handled matters - hiding the details and extent for days until the Swedes sounded the alarm when they found higher radiation levels at their own nuclear plants and determined that the radiation was coming from the Soviet Union. I was thinking worst case scenario too, but if they're saying that the reactor vessel is intact, then the Japanese are lucky for the moment to have avoided a nuclear catastrophe. Hopefully they can bring things under control without further trouble.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:16:48am |
re: #385 sattv4u2
"What about the earthquake in Japan."
"Uh... we're a thousand miles from the nearest fault line. There has not been an earthquake here in recorded history."
"WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN!?1?"
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darthstar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:17:16am |
re: #388 lawhawk
As always, in situations like this, my fingers are crossed.
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darthstar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:18:16am |
re: #389 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"What about the earthquake in Japan."
"Uh... we're a thousand miles from the nearest fault line. There has not been an earthquake here in recorded history."
"WHAT ABOUT THECHILDRENFETUSES!?1?"
ftfy...it's Oklahoma, remember.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:18:40am |
re: #388 lawhawk
The Japanese ain't exactly the old Soviets.
I'm guessing the safety features greatly outweigh the ones that the Soviets said "Nyet" to.
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lawhawk Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:18:52am |
re: #383 RogueOne
In Oklahoma? You mean within the basin that could be affected by New Madrid, which rearranged things in neighboring states (including the Mississippi River) with a series of massive quakes above 8 back in the 1800s.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:19:44am |
re: #391 darthstar
My son wanted to name his band "Fetus in Fetu".
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lawhawk Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:20:05am |
re: #392 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Not exactly like the Soviets, but the Japanese nuclear industry hasn't exactly been most forthcoming when they've had problems in the past. Like darth, I've got my fingers crossed that they'll be able to get things under control.
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darthstar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:20:16am |
re: #393 lawhawk
In Oklahoma? You mean within the basin that could be affected by New Madrid, which rearranged things in neighboring states (including the Mississippi River) with a series of massive quakes above 8 back in the 1800s.
That was just because god was an A&M fan and hated Sooners.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:21:18am |
Let's put nuke plants on the moon and get a big freakin' wire...
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sattv4u2 Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:22:06am |
re: #397 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Let's put nuke plants on the moon and get a big freakin' wire...
trying to export jobs, are you!?!?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:30:12am |
re: #399 lawhawk
So... the moon IS made of cheesy.
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:30:27am |
re: #393 lawhawk
In Oklahoma? You mean within the basin that could be affected by New Madrid, which rearranged things in neighboring states (including the Mississippi River) with a series of massive quakes above 8 back in the 1800s.
Yes, that OK. When was the last time they got hit by a tsunami?//
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darthstar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:32:23am |
re: #401 RogueOne
Yes, that OK. When was the last time they got hit by a tsunami?//
They've got Coburn and Inhofe...the last thing they need is a tsunami.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:34:06am |
Breaking news. Strong earthquake hits Fukushima Prefecture. Warning of imminent quake in Kanto, Tohoku.
WSJ.com
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:37:23am |
re: #402 darthstar
They've got Coburn and Inhofe...the last thing they need is a tsunami.
and ralph sampson who managed to take OK and IN down. IN has yet to recover.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:38:19am |
In defense of my emotional reaction it is hard to hear about and see such an explosion at an already troubled nuclear reactor and not feel alarmed at the possibility of a meltdown. Though I agree that the media has a deeper responsibility to not spread further alarm without verification.
The sun is rising soon and it is time for me to sleep. Good night fellow Lacertilians.
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lawhawk Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:39:33am |
The sobering fact is that megadisasters like the Japanese earthquake can overcome the best efforts of our species to protect against them. No matter how high the levee or how flexible the foundation, disaster experts say, nature bats last. Dr. Irwin Redlener, director of the National Center for Disaster Preparedness at Columbia University, warned that an earthquake in the United States along the New Madrid fault, which caused strong earthquakes early in the 19th century, could kill tens, or even hundreds of thousands of people in the more densely populated cities surrounding the Mississippi River.All technology can do in the face of such force is to minimize damage to communities and infrastructure, he said, and “on both of those fronts, we’re never going to be perfect.”
Given the limits of steel and concrete to resist the forces of nature, much depends on people’s own preparedness to face up to disaster — but that mental infrastructure is in even poorer shape than the nation’s roads and bridges. People in the Midwest might have storm cellars to shield them from tornadoes, and those in coastal cities like New Orleans might keep a hatchet in the attic in case they have to chop their way onto their roof after a hurricane. But in most of the country, simple plans that include having a quick-grab case of supplies, medications and important family papers, as well as a plan for reuniting family members who have been separated in a disaster, are distressingly rare, Dr. Redlener said.
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freetoken Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:46:25am |
re: #403 PhillyPretzel
6.4, just off the coast:
[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]
Over the past day, the after shocks have been closing in on Honshu:
[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:49:01am |
re: #407 lawhawk
Short version?
Man proposes, God disposes.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:49:13am |
re: #408 freetoken
TY I know that there will be many aftershocks after an event like this.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:49:49am |
re: #405 RogueOne
Well, he was a much better college player than NBAer.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:51:52am |
Relevant: Bill Gates' brilliant idea for nuclear power
I think this is a great idea, so long as he keeps Steve Ballmer as far away from it as possible.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:51:55am |
re: #411 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, he was a much better college player than NBAer.
And he almost made as much money in the NBA !!!
//
:)
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darthstar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:56:25am |
re: #408 freetoken
6.4, just off the coast:
[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]Over the past day, the after shocks have been closing in on Honshu:
[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]
That map's a fuckin' mess.
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:57:01am |
re: #411 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, he was a much better college player than NBAer.
HA! Doh. I meant Calvin. As you can tell I'm still too tore up about it to think straight.//
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 12, 2011 5:59:36am |
re: #416 RogueOne
You should listen to some Eric Klapner.
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Unions = Innovation slash slash Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:00:18am |
re: #356 RogueOne
The "republican" part or the "asshole" part?//
Reminds me of a joke my former boss said to a board of flight surgeons:
"A guy walks into a bar and says "All flight surgeons are assholes!"
Another patron responds "He that is very insulting to me!"
First guy says "Why, are you a flight surgeon?"
Second guy "No, I'm an asshole!"
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Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:02:18am |
I wonder, is the world now going to forget about Libya and make up with Gaddafi eventually?
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Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:03:42am |
What is a flight surgeon? Airplane mechanic?
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:05:53am |
re: #419 Naso Tang
I think his reign is already dead, we'll just have to wait for him to realize it and lie down. We've missed our opportunity to end this quickly though so it may take years.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:10:40am |
re: #421 RogueOne
I think his reign is already dead, we'll just have to wait for him to realize it and lie down. We've missed our opportunity to end this quickly though so it may take years.
[Link: www.boston.com...]
Khadafy forces retake key city
West appears unsure how to respond
especially because of the above
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:12:13am |
re: #419 Naso Tang
I wonder, is the world now going to forget about Libya and make up with Gaddafi eventually?
Sadly, I think it all boils down to who's in control of the oil.
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:16:37am |
re: #422 sattv4u2
[Link: www.boston.com...]
Khadafy forces retake key city
West appears unsure how to respondespecially because of the above
Japan? I had that thought too.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:20:47am |
re: #422 sattv4u2
[Link: www.boston.com...]
Khadafy forces retake key city
West appears unsure how to respondespecially because of the above
Yes, after freezing assets and all the rest what is the point of doing nothing more? We could easily bomb his airfields, maybe some key assets, and even shoot planes down from off their coast.
B2's can do the airfields at night and nobody will know what happened. Missiles can cover most of the Libyan coast from planes that stay well off shore, and cruise missiles can deal with helicopters and the like on the ground.
What will happen, even if the rebels somehow hang on, is that they will remember that we are not their friends in any serious way.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:26:14am |
re: #425 Naso Tang
Yes, after freezing assets and all the rest what is the point of doing nothing more? We could easily bomb his airfields, maybe some key assets, and even shoot planes down from off their coast.
B2's can do the airfields at night and nobody will know what happened. Missiles can cover most of the Libyan coast from planes that stay well off shore, and cruise missiles can deal with helicopters and the like on the ground.
What will happen, even if the rebels somehow hang on, is that they will remember that we are not their friends in any serious way.
Don't get me wrong. I have no frakiin idea about what the "right" thing to do is either
My initial hope was that the Libyan people would have succeeded on their own of forcing him to flee. It's apparent now thats not happening. He's spreading a lot of cash around to marshal tribes to his side (as he always has).
Bombing airfields even at night is perilous for many reasons. Even if there is no air defense a plane could crash on it's own, could miss a target and decimate civilians who oppose Khadafy resulting in a PR nightmare
Same applies to missile strikes from offshore
Whattamess
BEST CASE ,,,, his Arab neighbors "persuade" him to go away quietly
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:33:11am |
re: #392 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The Japanese ain't exactly the old Soviets.
I'm guessing the safety features greatly outweigh the ones that the Soviets said "Nyet" to.
True.
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:34:27am |
re: #426 sattv4u2
In a situation like Libya I believe we have a moral obligation to intervene when we can. I believe 10-20 years from now when this is all settling in that people will remember how we neglected to come to their aid.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:35:00am |
re: #426 sattv4u2
Don't get me wrong. I have no frakiin idea about what the "right" thing to do is either
My initial hope was that the Libyan people would have succeeded on their own of forcing him to flee. It's apparent now thats not happening. He's spreading a lot of cash around to marshal tribes to his side (as he always has).
Bombing airfields even at night is perilous for many reasons. Even if there is no air defense a plane could crash on it's own, could miss a target and decimate civilians who oppose Khadafy resulting in a PR nightmare
Same applies to missile strikes from offshoreWhattamess
BEST CASE ,,, his Arab neighbors "persuade" him to go away quietly
Not gonna happen. Gaddafi is in it to win it. If he goes, it'll be feet first. But what I think the US and NATO are going to do is nothing. They don't really want to act decisively for fear of blowback.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:35:53am |
re: #426 sattv4u2
Don't get me wrong. I have no frakiin idea about what the "right" thing to do is either
My initial hope was that the Libyan people would have succeeded on their own of forcing him to flee. It's apparent now thats not happening. He's spreading a lot of cash around to marshal tribes to his side (as he always has).
Bombing airfields even at night is perilous for many reasons. Even if there is no air defense a plane could crash on it's own, could miss a target and decimate civilians who oppose Khadafy resulting in a PR nightmare
Same applies to missile strikes from offshoreWhattamess
BEST CASE ,,, his Arab neighbors "persuade" him to go away quietly
Best case is no case.
As I said, 2 B2's could probably damage all their airfields in one night raid and it will be morning before they realize it was not sabotage.
Long range air to air missiles can effectively cripple their planes anywhere near the coast, from outside Libyan airspace, and cruise missiles risk nothing except money. One coast road. a convoy of 10's of tanks advancing. One cruise missile.
However, if one wants no risk and total guarantees, stay in bed.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:37:16am |
and on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons
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sagehen Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:45:26am |
re: #425 Naso Tang
Yes, after freezing assets and all the rest what is the point of doing nothing more? We could easily bomb his airfields, maybe some key assets, and even shoot planes down from off their coast.
B2's can do the airfields at night and nobody will know what happened. Missiles can cover most of the Libyan coast from planes that stay well off shore, and cruise missiles can deal with helicopters and the like on the ground.
What will happen, even if the rebels somehow hang on, is that they will remember that we are not their friends in any serious way.
Unilateral miltiary action on our part is physically possible, but would be diplomatically disastrous -- both short-term and long-term.
If the African Union or Arab League or NATO asks us, we should shout YES!! and hop to, but until then the best we can do is quietly pull up to the borders with truckloads of food and comm gear and ammo. As quietly as posssible.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:46:07am |
I'm seeing death toll "could top 1,700". Are they serious?
Not Burma, but... gonna be a huge number.
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:47:31am |
In the town of Minamisanriku, 9,500 people are unaccounted for, Japan's Kyodo News Agency reported, citing local officials. That figure is about half the population of the town, which is located on the Pacific, the news agency said.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:49:54am |
re: #434 Varek Raith
I pray that I am wrong. Japan may have just lost 50,000 citizens.
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Sionainn Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:50:45am |
re: #434 Varek Raith
There's a woman on my mommy board who is worried about her grandmother and other family and friends in Rikuzentakata. I googled it and it's being reported that the town has been wiped off the map by the tsunami. I just can't imagine being in her position. So incredibly heartbreaking.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:51:04am |
re: #430 Naso Tang
Best case is no case.
As I said, 2 B2's could probably damage all their airfields in one night raid and it will be morning before they realize it was not sabotage.
Long range air to air missiles can effectively cripple their planes anywhere near the coast, from outside Libyan airspace, and cruise missiles risk nothing except money. One coast road. a convoy of 10's of tanks advancing. One cruise missile.
However, if one wants no risk and total guarantees, stay in bed.
We don't have any long-range AAMs anymore, Naso. We lost those when the F-14 was retired. And you couldn't take out 10 tanks with one missile unless they were all in a building. They aren't designed to hit moving targets on land.
Sorry to play wet blanket, but I need to let you know what our capabilities really are.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:52:04am |
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:55:38am |
re: #437 Dark_Falcon
We don't have any long-range AAMs anymore, Naso. We lost those when the F-14 was retired. And you couldn't take out 10 tanks with one missile unless they were all in a building. They aren't designed to hit moving targets on land.
Sorry to play wet blanket, but I need to let you know what our capabilities really are.
Beat me to it. I swear that it seems like there are still too many people who thing that Tom Clancy's wet dreams are real.
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kirkspencer Sat, Mar 12, 2011 6:57:41am |
re: #429 Dark_Falcon
Not gonna happen. Gaddafi is in it to win it. If he goes, it'll be feet first. But what I think the US and NATO are going to do is nothing. They don't really want to act decisively for fear of blowback.
Counterpoint. There is a long history perceived in the region that the US is always on the wrong side. That is, if the US is on a side then it is the "bad guy", and at best the side being supported is an innocent dupe for us.
This is why, I think, it's important to get cover for any action. We're pushing for that cover in three places: UN, NATO, and the Pan Arabic states. The last is interesting, as it appears we're about to be asked to provide military support for the purpose of helping the rebels in Libya. The problem is that there appears to be a string - we won't use them to help rebels in any other area unless the organization agrees and requests.
I'm guessing the rebels are getting support, it's just very covert to protect them from the taint of puppetry. I hope we can get past certain nations' objections to provide cover for overt assistance.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:03:51am |
re: #439 wlewisiii
Beat me to it. I swear that it seems like there are still too many people who thing that Tom Clancy's wet dreams are real.
In this case, the dreams would be those of Dale Brown, but the point still stands (the only system Brown hypothesized that has actually made it into production is the minigun chin turret for the V-22 Osprey).
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:04:22am |
Pump system caused nuclear blast
Really, CNN? Your editor sucks. Idiots.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:08:46am |
re: #441 Dark_Falcon
In this case, the dreams would be those of Dale Brown, but the point still stands (the only system Brown hypothesized that has actually made it into production is the minigun chin turret for the V-22 Osprey).
Same difference. There's about a dozen of those writers and for the most point they're interchangeable. The only one that ever stood out for me was Harold Coyle for Team Yankee & The Ten Thousand.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:09:26am |
re: #443 wlewisiii
Same difference. There's about a dozen of those writers and for the most point they're interchangeable. The only one that ever stood out for me was Harold Coyle for Team Yankee & The Ten Thousand.
Quite Concur.
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abolitionist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:12:54am |
I'm surprised at the depth of Wikipedia coverage (and links) of the Fukushima I Nuclear Power Plant as a current event.
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:31:33am |
Crap.
Did I press the wrong button and blow up the earth???
I was just trying to make coffee...
My bad...
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:33:13am |
Five Israelis killed in West Bank attack
A Palestinian infiltrator stabbed five people to death, three of them children, after breaking into the home of a Jewish family in a West Bank settlement early on Saturday, Israeli officials said.
Ugh.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:36:40am |
re: #447 Killgore Trout
Five Israelis killed in West Bank attack
Ugh.
Dead jewish babies? Of course they're passing out sweets in Gaza....
[Link: www.daylife.com...]
The most fucked up people on earth.
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:38:52am |
re: #448 Killgore Trout
Dead jewish babies? Of course they're passing out sweets in Gaza...
[Link: www.daylife.com...]The most fucked up people on earth.
That's some fucked up shit right there.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:39:49am |
re: #448 Killgore Trout
Dead jewish babies? Of course they're passing out sweets in Gaza...
[Link: www.daylife.com...]The most fucked up people on earth.
I'm sorry, but I honestly think that Gaza should be carpet-bombed for celebrating that. I know why that won't be done, but if you're celebrating the deaths of children then you don't deserve to live.
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:40:22am |
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Girth Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:40:28am |
So am I correct that as of right now, Fukushima I's outer structure has collapsed, but the containment structure is still intact, and they are still attempting to cool the reactor core to prevent a meltdown?
Or is the outer structure the same thing as the airtight containment structure?
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:41:39am |
re: #452 Girth
So am I correct that as of right now, Fukushima I's outer structure has collapsed, but the containment structure is still intact, and they are still attempting to cool the reactor core to prevent a meltdown?
Or is the outer structure the same thing as the airtight containment structure?
That's what I'm hearing. That the outer building blew due to a hydrogen blast, but that the containment structure is intact.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:42:53am |
re: #452 Girth
So am I correct that as of right now, Fukushima I's outer structure has collapsed, but the containment structure is still intact, and they are still attempting to cool the reactor core to prevent a meltdown?
Or is the outer structure the same thing as the airtight containment structure?
It's hard to say. The media reporting is fairly poor and short on technical details. I also don't trust official reports, I get the feeling the situation might be worse than they're letting on.
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:43:32am |
[8:49 a.m. ET, 10:49 p.m. Tokyo] The walls of a concrete building surrounding the reactor container at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant collapsed in an explosion, but the reactor and its containment system were not damaged, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:43:55am |
re: #450 Dark_Falcon
I'm sorry, but I honestly think that Gaza should be carpet-bombed for celebrating that. I know why that won't be done, but if you're celebrating the deaths of children then you don't deserve to live.
Yes, kill all the Gazan children because some of their parents are assholes. How are you better than them?
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Girth Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:44:26am |
re: #454 Killgore Trout
It's hard to say. The media reporting is fairly poor and short on technical details. I also don't trust official reports, I get the feeling the situation might be worse than they're letting on.
Of course. Just trying to get a handle on what happened while I was sleeping.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:45:08am |
re: #450 Dark_Falcon
Sorry about this post folks, it's just that the photo of the murder of children being celebrated makes my blood boil. I had a bit of a rage leak.
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abolitionist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:45:53am |
re: #452 Girth
So am I correct that as of right now, Fukushima I's outer structure has collapsed, but the containment structure is still intact, and they are still attempting to cool the reactor core to prevent a meltdown?
Or is the outer structure the same thing as the airtight containment structure?
Hydrogen may have caused Japan atom blast-industry
I think it means the concrete containment structure went boom.
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sagehen Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:46:40am |
re: #448 Killgore Trout
Dead jewish babies? Of course they're passing out sweets in Gaza...
[Link: www.daylife.com...]The most fucked up people on earth.
How do we know that caption is in any way accurate? The photo doesn't look particularly celebratory.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:46:52am |
re: #458 Dark_Falcon
Sorry about this post folks, it's just that the photo of the murder of children being celebrated makes my blood boil. I had a bit of a rage leak.
rage leak is a great term.
How are you feeling, DF? Hope you're better and that the sales are good.
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:47:41am |
re: #461 sagehen
How do we know that caption is in any way accurate? The photo doesn't look particularly celebratory.
When the only thing you have to celebrate is dead jews your life is going to look pretty shitty.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:49:44am |
re: #462 iceweasel
rage leak is a great term.
How are you feeling, DF? Hope you're better and that the sales are good.
Only one sale this week. Several other things out, one or two of which will probably come in. I still expect to get what I need this month. But I'm still hurting from January, and I'll be paying back what I needed to get through that month for a good while.
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:49:45am |
re: #463 RogueOne
besides, how excited can you get after 50 years of attacking Israel. The novelty wore off a long time ago.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:51:43am |
re: #464 Dark_Falcon
Only one sale this week. Several other things out, one or two of which will probably come in. I still expect to get what I need this month. But I'm still hurting from January, and I'll be paying back what I needed to get through that month for a good while.
January is a shitty month as most consumers are paying off their december bills, i think. Good luck and I hope things improve. Jimmah says hi too btw.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:53:37am |
re: #460 PhillyPretzel
It makes me mad too.
It's also telling that Hams is denying having anything to do with this attack. Normally they scream out their support, but I think even they know how bad this one will look overseas. Murdering children in their sleep in monstrously evil and even the Euro-press won't defend it.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:55:51am |
re: #461 sagehen
How do we know that caption is in any way accurate? The photo doesn't look particularly celebratory.
Because they do this all the time. Remember the film of Gazans danving in the streets after 9-11? They celebrate everytime a terrorist kills people, the news services don't carry the pics much any more. Here another pic of the dead baby celebrations in Gaza today...
[Link: www.daylife.com...]
[Link: www.daylife.com...]
A grown man stabs a baby and the see this as a reason for a party. That's some fucked up shit.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:57:00am |
re: #466 iceweasel
January is a shitty month as most consumers are paying off their december bills, i think. Good luck and I hope things improve. Jimmah says hi too btw.
Actually, January was good sales month for me. November and December were the bad months, but those are now behind me. I just need to focus on selling now and getting the money I need for the rest of March and April. Happily, my mortgage is paid up already this month (or rather I have the money in checking and the online payment is set), so I don't need to worry about my most important bill.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:57:57am |
re: #467 Dark_Falcon
It's also telling that Hamas is denying having anything to do with this attack. Normally they scream out their support, but I think even they know how bad this one will look overseas. Murdering children in their sleep in monstrously evil and even the Euro-press won't defend it.
PIMF
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kirkspencer Sat, Mar 12, 2011 7:59:13am |
re: #447 Killgore Trout
Five Israelis killed in West Bank attack
Ugh.
OK, reality check for a moment. We have a woman taking rolls from a tray and smiling. The caption tells us the date, the location, and the reason. If you go to the site you'll see another picture of a policeman and someone else also taking sweets from a tray, same caption (except they're careful to tell you the policeman is a Hamas policeman.)
Do we have reason to believe that it's normal for people in Gaza to bake sweets and give them away to others on the streets after attacks on Israel? When considering the answer, consider how frequently there are attacks and that there is a blockade on supplies to Gaza. So I'm going to insist on documentation for that reason, not hearsay or opinion.
I mean, the treats couldn't be made and shared for some other reason, such as the meetings and parades for National Reconciliation going on in Gaza at the same time, could they? (yes, that's sarcasm).
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:02:11am |
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:02:15am |
re: #471 kirkspencer
It's Getty so it's respectable. But yes, I want more details.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:02:52am |
re: #471 kirkspencer
Do we have reason to believe that it's normal for people in Gaza to bake sweets and give them away to others on the streets after attacks on Israel?
Yes, they do it all the time.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:03:55am |
re: #471 kirkspencer
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
Gaza residents from the southern city of Rafah hit the streets Saturday to celebrate the terror attack in the West Bank settlement of Itamar where five family members were murdered in their sleep, including three children.
Residents handed out candy and sweets, one resident saying the joy "is a natural response to the harm settlers inflict on the Palestinian residents in the West Bank."
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kirkspencer Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:05:38am |
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sagehen Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:12:54am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:14:04am |
re: #477 sagehen
This also seems to have happened the last time the 4 settlers were killed.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:16:21am |
Inside Sendai Airport - during the tsunami
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:18:32am |
Make sure you vote:
Vote today for your favorite slogan. The winning choice will go on the new DSCC car magnet.
[Link: dscc.org...]
The choices are pretty lame. I can't believe WTF didn't make the top 5.
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:19:41am |
re: #480 RogueOne
Make sure you vote:
Vote today for your favorite slogan. The winning choice will go on the new DSCC car magnet.
[Link: dscc.org...]The choices are pretty lame. I can't believe WTF didn't make the top 5.
GOP: Party like it's 1699!
:P
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:23:05am |
re: #481 Varek Raith
GOP: Party like it's 1699!
:P
"If you can read this, you're killing mother earth"
(I stole that)
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:24:37am |
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:25:13am |
re: #481 Varek Raith
GOP: Party like it's 1699!
:P
They should have opened it up for suggestions but I would imagine policing a comment thread like that would be time consuming.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:26:09am |
re: #480 RogueOne
Make sure you vote:
Vote today for your favorite slogan. The winning choice will go on the new DSCC car magnet.
[Link: dscc.org...]The choices are pretty lame. I can't believe WTF didn't make the top 5.
I'd vote for "Democrats: Because taxes aren't high enough already, and the union boss needs more dues for his new car."
| 486 |
Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:26:23am |
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:27:40am |
Image: lotta-bumpers-stuff.jpg
Holy crap!
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:29:04am |
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Sionainn Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:29:10am |
re: #483 Varek Raith
LOL! My dad wouldn't let me get a driver's license until I knew how to change the tires and change the oil. I had to pass his "test" first.
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:29:20am |
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Obdicut Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:30:22am |
re: #485 Dark_Falcon
I'd vote for "Democrats: Because taxes aren't high enough already,
That's true.
and the union boss needs more dues for his new car."
That's lame, and petty.
| 494 |
Shiplord Kirel Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:31:17am |
I'm not much on general partisanship but I would like to see some stickers that address specific issues. (I obviously recognize that this is not entirely practical if you're the DSCC).
Tea Party: Full magazine, empty rhetoric.
Devolve a creationist: Vote Democrat
Vote GOP for God, Guns, and Flat Earth Science!
| 495 |
Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:31:46am |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:32:25am |
re: #493 Obdicut
That's lame, and petty.
Not really, given the number of union officials caught with their hands in the cookie jar over the years.
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Obdicut Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:33:32am |
re: #495 Varek Raith
How about:
"Democrats: We swear they'll grow spines any day now"
Or "Vote Democrat: because half-assed is better than being an asshole".
| 498 |
PhillyPretzel Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:34:29am |
re: #494 Shiplord Kirel
Vote GOP for God, Guns, and No Science
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Obdicut Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:34:38am |
re: #496 Dark_Falcon
Not really, given the number of union officials caught with their hands in the cookie jar over the years.
Really? Expressed as a percentage of union leaders? You think the majority of them are embezzling?
| 500 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:35:41am |
The Republican primaries are going to be very interesting....
Bachmann Mangles Revolutionary History In N.H.
Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann's visit to the first-in-the-nation primary state of New Hampshire got off to a rocky start on Saturday morning when she misstated a key fact about the American Revolution in a speech to a group of local conservative activists and students."What I love about New Hampshire and what we have in common is our extreme love for liberty," the potential GOP presidential candidate said. "You're the state where the shot was heard around the world in Lexington and Concord. And you put a marker in the ground and paid with the blood of your ancestors the very first price that had to be paid to make this the most magnificent nation that has ever arisen in the annals of man in 5,000 years of recorded history."
lol
| 501 |
Obdicut Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:36:41am |
re: #500 Killgore Trout
What.
Bachmann can't spend 5 seconds on google? Or does she just not consider reality important?
Such monkeybrains.
| 503 |
Shiplord Kirel Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:37:58am |
re: #500 Killgore Trout
The Republican primaries are going to be very interesting...
Bachmann Mangles Revolutionary History In N.H.
lol
Eegad! Fictitious science and now alternate history. If these folks knew more about grammar and consistency, they could make a living as SF writers.
| 504 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:38:35am |
re: #499 Obdicut
Really? Expressed as a percentage of union leaders? You think the majority of them are embezzling?
No, most of them aren't, but its happened often enough. How about this then:
Democrats: Making bad teachers impossible to fire, For The Children!
| 505 |
Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:38:40am |
re: #500 Killgore Trout
The Republican primaries are going to be very interesting...
Bachmann Mangles Revolutionary History In N.H.
lol
Lolwhut.
| 506 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:38:46am |
re: #501 Obdicut
What.
Bachmann can't spend 5 seconds on google? Or does she just not consider reality important?
Such monkeybrains.
I suspect it doesn't make any difference. She's just spewing word salad with catchphrases thrown in. The buzzwords are more important to wingnuts than actual facts.
| 507 |
RogueOne Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:40:02am |
re: #500 Killgore Trout
The Republican primaries are going to be very interesting...
Bachmann Mangles Revolutionary History In N.H.
lol
I hope she runs. It would lead to all kinds of fun and could only help Daniels.
| 508 |
Obdicut Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:40:11am |
re: #504 Dark_Falcon
Well, that's also untrue. And ignores, of course, what you've been told over and over again by SFZ about the importance of protecting teachers from aggressive firing. Of all the problems we have in the US right now, it always kind of staggers me that conservatives have decided teachers are the ones to rail on. It's almost funny, but more painful.
| 509 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:40:53am |
re: #503 Shiplord Kirel
Eegad! Fictitious science and now alternate history. If these folks knew more about grammar and consistency, they could make a living as SF writers.
She'd like to airbrush Massachusetts out of history, because its a Democrat stronghold. Her mind can't process the idea of Revolutionary War Patriot stronghold because a bastion of modern liberalism.
| 510 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:41:51am |
re: #508 Obdicut
Well, that's also untrue. And ignores, of course, what you've been told over and over again by SFZ about the importance of protecting teachers from aggressive firing. Of all the problems we have in the US right now, it always kind of staggers me that conservatives have decided teachers are the ones to rail on. It's almost funny, but more painful.
What do you mean, "aggressive firing"?
| 511 |
Sionainn Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:42:04am |
re: #504 Dark_Falcon
No, most of them aren't, but its happened often enough. How about this then:
Democrats: Making bad teachers impossible to fire, For The Children!
Instead of downdinging this, I'll just say, "Boo" with a giant thumbs down.
| 512 |
Shiplord Kirel Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:42:50am |
re: #506 Killgore Trout
I suspect it doesn't make any difference. She's just spewing word salad with catchphrases thrown in. The buzzwords are more important to wingnuts than actual facts.
Not so sure. The residual conservatives in New England are pretty sensitive about this kind of thing. It might play about as well as going to Louisiana and praising Huey Long for his heroic defense of the Alamo.
| 513 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:44:53am |
re: #512 Shiplord Kirel
Not so sure. The residual conservatives in New England are pretty sensitive about this kind of thing. It might play about as well as going to Louisiana and praising Huey Long for his heroic defense of the Alamo.
Bachmann can't be bothered with facts. She wants to sally forth and slay the Dragon of Godless Liberalism.
Any ideas for LGF/D&D stats for such a beast?
| 514 |
Obdicut Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:45:29am |
re: #510 Dark_Falcon
What do you mean, "aggressive firing"?
Dark, I know that you've had this explained to you multiple times.
Making it hard to fire bad teachers is a side effect of making it hard to fire good teachers, or teachers who make waves, or teachers who are unpopular with parents. Administrators, especially bad ones, would be very likely to fire any teacher who rocked the boat, who complained about money being misspent, or who angered parents by insisting on, say, accountability for their kids instead of coddling them.
Furthermore, the problem of determining what a good or a bad teacher is from an objective standpoint is incredibly high. Most of the results of a teacher are not visible until years down the road.
| 515 |
lawhawk Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:47:34am |
re: #491 Varek Raith
Heh... Here's hoping our rings shred your tires.
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:48:22am |
re: #515 lawhawk
Heh... Here's hoping our rings shred your tires.
BOO!
HISS!
BOO!
/Damn Yankee fans.
:)
| 517 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:49:03am |
re: #514 Obdicut
Dark, I know that you've had this explained to you multiple times.
Making it hard to fire bad teachers is a side effect of making it hard to fire good teachers, or teachers who make waves, or teachers who are unpopular with parents. Administrators, especially bad ones, would be very likely to fire any teacher who rocked the boat, who complained about money being misspent, or who angered parents by insisting on, say, accountability for their kids instead of coddling them.
Furthermore, the problem of determining what a good or a bad teacher is from an objective standpoint is incredibly high. Most of the results of a teacher are not visible until years down the road.
I understand, but it does not change my mind. Part of it is my long-time work in sales and customer service, which leads me to accept the idea of ending up in trouble for displeasing the public, even if you were right on the issue.
| 518 |
Obdicut Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:50:20am |
re: #517 Dark_Falcon
I understand, but it does not change my mind
Why not, though? What is your reasoning?
Do you not think that, without protection for teachers, administrators will fire those who don't fall in line? Why do you trust administrators more than teachers?
| 519 |
kirkspencer Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:50:24am |
re: #504 Dark_Falcon
No, most of them aren't, but its happened often enough. How about this then:
Democrats: Making bad teachers impossible to fire, For The Children!
OK, honest question not meant to sound snarky: what percentage of corruption caught justifies rejection of the whole organization? Here's the deal - I strongly suspect there's a higher rate of demonstrated "caught with hands in the cookie jar" among other organizations with which you have no objection.
| 520 |
Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:50:59am |
re: #517 Dark_Falcon
I understand, but it does not change my mind. Part of it is my long-time work in sales and customer service, which leads me to accept the idea of ending up in trouble for displeasing the public, even if you were right on the issue.
What if a biology teacher was fired because a bunch of creationists parents complained to the superintendent?
Public dipleased, but teacher right?
| 521 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:54:24am |
re: #479 Killgore Trout
Inside Sendai Airport - during the tsunami
[Video]
OMG.
Those people must have thought the world was coming to an end.
Well . . . it did, for thousands. Just awful.
| 522 |
lawhawk Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:54:25am |
re: #467 Dark_Falcon
Absolutely heinous, regardless of who carried it out, and it's more than telling that Palestinians would celebrate the murder of 5 people - 3 kids - because they're Israelis. It could still turn out to be Islamic Jihad, or even one of Fatah's spinoffs - the AAMB for example. There are plenty of terror groups, and Hamas doesn't have a monopoly on terrorism.
But these events once again show that Israel truly lacks a partner for peace when Palestinians on the street celebrate the murder of Israelis by terrorists.
| 523 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:56:29am |
re: #522 lawhawk
Absolutely heinous, regardless of who carried it out, and it's more than telling that Palestinians would celebrate the murder of 5 people - 3 kids - because they're Israelis. It could still turn out to be Islamic Jihad, or even one of Fatah's spinoffs - the AAMB for example. There are plenty of terror groups, and Hamas doesn't have a monopoly on terrorism.
But these events once again show that Israel truly lacks a partner for peace when Palestinians on the street celebrate the murder of Israelis by terrorists.
What percentage of the population was celebrating?
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lawhawk Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:56:58am |
re: #455 Varek Raith
Sounds like they were trying to vent the steam and gas to relieve the pressure and a spark likely set off the hydrogen gas - causing the explosion of the containment building but leaving the reactor vessel intact. That could make further efforts more difficult due to damage to equipment and structural members, but the officials think that pumping sea water in should get things under full control over the next week.
| 525 |
sagehen Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:57:44am |
re: #517 Dark_Falcon
I understand, but it does not change my mind. Part of it is my long-time work in sales and customer service, which leads me to accept the idea of ending up in trouble for displeasing the public, even if you were right on the issue.
So if a couple of creationist parents from each school want to get rid of the bio teacher, or if Michelle Bachman's legions get angry at anyone who teaches that Boston and Philadelphia were the intellectual center of the Revolution, or SCV writes letters of complaint about any teacher who thinks secession and the civil war were because of slavery...
you think those teachers should be fired. Because they're displeasing the public, and pleasing the most vocal revisionists is more important than that kids should learn the truth.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:57:48am |
re: #518 Obdicut
Why not, though? What is your reasoning?
Do you not think that, without protection for teachers, administrators will fire those who don't fall in line? Why do you trust administrators more than teachers?
Then they should fall into line. I've never had much time for rules that protect insubordination. No rules like that have ever really applied where I've worked. Even Cingular (which is a union shop), the union couldn't do much if management decided they wanted you gone.
| 527 |
Obdicut Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:58:43am |
re: #526 Dark_Falcon
Then they should fall into line.
Then please stop pretending your concern is for bad teachers being protected. It's dishonest.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:59:31am |
re: #308 palomino
You're right--it's the racism and xenophobia mixed together that becomes so toxic. True about Colin Powell. Even a different black Dem president, say Harold Ford or Deval Patrick, wouldn't have his religion and American-ness questioned every damn day. Truly disgusting how the right has gone all nativist on Obama.
Yes, xenophobia is the correct word. I hadn't put it all together, but it is very much an "he's not one of us" meme.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:59:32am |
re: #522 lawhawk
Absolutely heinous, regardless of who carried it out, and it's more than telling that Palestinians would celebrate the murder of 5 people - 3 kids - because they're Israelis. It could still turn out to be Islamic Jihad, or even one of Fatah's spinoffs - the AAMB for example. There are plenty of terror groups, and Hamas doesn't have a monopoly on terrorism.
But these events once again show that Israel truly lacks a partner for peace when Palestinians on the street celebrate the murder of Israelis by terrorists.
Quite Concur.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Mar 12, 2011 8:59:51am |
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:00:39am |
re: #521 reine.de.tout
OMG.
Those people must have thought the world was coming to an end.
Well . . . it did, for thousands. Just awful.
Those videos are scary as shit. I couldn't imagine what it must have been like, it just seems surreal.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:01:09am |
re: #527 Obdicut
Then please stop pretending your concern is for bad teachers being protected. It's dishonest.
That is my concern. My argument is that whatever good such rules do for protecting good teachers is outweighed by the harm done in protecting bad ones. The worst in a profession tend to ruin more than the best create, in my experience.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:01:22am |
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:01:48am |
re: #532 Killgore Trout
Those videos are scary as shit. I couldn't imagine what it must have been like, it just seems surreal.
That vid you posted yesterday of the buildings swaying triggers minor vertigo when I remember it.
Spooky.
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:03:35am |
re: #517 Dark_Falcon
I understand, but it does not change my mind. Part of it is my long-time work in sales and customer service, which leads me to accept the idea of ending up in trouble for displeasing the public, even if you were right on the issue.
re: #520 Varek Raith
What if a biology teacher was fired because a bunch of creationists parents complained to the superintendent?
Public dipleased, but teacher right?
Excellent response, Varek, and a prime example.
Dark, in sales and customer service, pleasing the public usually advances your purpose and your employer's purpose. In education, that is not the case if we have any mission other than keeping appropriations at a high level.
As a lecturer in historical geology, I felt morally obligated to tell my students that the Earth is 4.2 billion years old, that life evolved by a natural processes, and (most importantly) that this had been determined by methods they could understand and duplicate. This was in the full knowledge that a large majority of those students came from homes where these ideas were rejected to one degree or another. The university defended me without question.
Now, I do not believe that public school teachers should have the same kind of tenure as professors. The principle is the same however. The truth is not a popularity contest and we cannot protect some without protecting all.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:04:02am |
Inevitable....
French greens call for end to nuclear energy
French green groups renewed a call on Saturday for France to end its dependence on nuclear power, saying a radiation leak at a Japanese atomic power plant showed there were no safety guarantees in the industry.
Let's face it; nuclear, coal and oil are not permanent solutions. Solar, wind and other renewables are our only hope.
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Obdicut Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:05:31am |
re: #533 Dark_Falcon
That is my concern
I'm sorry, but that doesn't math up to what you just said. You just said that you wanted teachers to get into line and not be insubordinate-- even if what they're doing is complaining because they're good teachers, who are revealing bad practices by the administration and wanting better teaching for the students.
At the very least, your views are just incoherent on the subject.
My argument is that whatever good such rules do for protecting good teachers is outweighed by the harm done in protecting bad ones.
No, that is your assertion, not backed up in the least by any sort of evidence or real-world experience, and contradicted by SFZ, my brother, and my parents, all of whom do have real world experience.
The worst in a profession tend to ruin more than the best create, in my experience.
Again: There is no reason to believe that if teachers had less protection, that the bad ones would actually be the ones fired. The ones who the administration liked best would stay, those they disliked would go. There is no reason, at all, in any way, to believe the administrators would make good decisions about the quality of teachers. You have given absolutely no reason why you think administrators are a trustable judge of teacher quality.
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Obdicut Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:06:39am |
re: #537 Killgore Trout
Nuclear is still, I believe, a necessary bridge technology, but the reactors need to be the new designs-- like the ones Gates is now promoting. But yeah, they're not sustainable; they should never be considered a permanent solution.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:07:07am |
Nuclear agency posting updates on Japan plants on Facebook
The International Atomic Energy Agency has been providing updates on the damaged Japanese nuclear plants on its Facebook page.
"Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency has informed the IAEA's Incident and Emergency Centre that there has been an explosion at the Unit 1 reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi plant, and that they are assessing the condition of the reactor core," the latest statement said. "The explosion was reported to NISA by the plant operator, TEPCO, at 0730 CET. Further details were not immediately available."
The statement noted that authorities have extended evacuation zones surrounding both the Fukushima Daiichi plant and the nearby Fukushima Daini plant.
"The authorities also say they are making preparations to distribute iodine to residents in the area of both the plants," the statement said.
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Sionainn Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:07:26am |
re: #533 Dark_Falcon
That is my concern. My argument is that whatever good such rules do for protecting good teachers is outweighed by the harm done in protecting bad ones. The worst in a profession tend to ruin more than the best create, in my experience.
The teachers' association in my city isn't able to protect bad teachers from being fired as long as the administrators have documented everything. Yes, there is a process and it does take some time, but it most certainly is possible to fire bad teachers. Having a process in place such as what the union has ensured for teachers in my city prevents principals such as the rotten one my husband works for from deciding she just doesn't like a person for whatever stupid reason and firing them on the spot.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:08:52am |
re: #536 Shiplord Kirel
re: #520 Varek Raith
Excellent response, Varek, and a prime example.
Dark, in sales and customer service, pleasing the public usually advances your purpose and your employer's purpose. In education, that is not the case if we have any mission other than keeping appropriations at a high level.
As a lecturer in historical geology, I felt morally obligated to tell my students that the Earth is 4.2 billion years old, that life evolved by a natural processes, and (most importantly) that this had been determined by methods they could understand and duplicate. This was in the full knowledge that a large majority of those students came from homes where these ideas were rejected to one degree or another. The university defended me without question.
Now, I do not believe that public school teachers should have the same kind of tenure as professors. The principle is the same however. The truth is not a popularity contest and we cannot protect some without protecting all.
This is one of the few reasons I have to support some sort of Federal Department of Education. Without, Education is not equal among the states. At least, with Federal standards, we can hope that every student is taught something of science and empiricism. Without them, the States would be teaching what the voters demand and to whom the voters demand.
I can imagine a country in which colleges don't even look at transcripts from certain states or municipalities because their students are taught creationism or discriminate based on some arbitrary set of values.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:09:50am |
Tsunami carrying away buildings and cars
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BishopX Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:10:03am |
It sounds like the nuke is going to get really, really bad. The Japanese nuclear authorities are now planning to flood the reactor with sea water and boric acid to cool the core.
The (third hand) phrase from the reactor design expert I heard was "three mile island writ large with massive natural causation".
Granted, he was getting much of his knowledge through Google translate, so he might have missed a detail.
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Winny Spencer Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:11:35am |
re: #523 Sergey Romanov
What percentage of the population was celebrating?
Probably a significant majority.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:12:30am |
re: #537 Killgore Trout
Inevitable...
French greens call for end to nuclear energy
Let's face it; nuclear, coal and oil are not permanent solutions. Solar, wind and other renewables are our only hope.
No, nuclear is sustainable, at least medium term. Long term, we do need something like Yucca Mountain to hold the waste.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:13:08am |
re: #545 Winny Spencer
Probably a significant majority.
Probably an insignificant minority.
As substantiated as your proposition.
PS: I also note that you updinged the call for genocide.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:14:22am |
Are we sending USNS Comfort or Mercy?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:15:23am |
re: #538 Obdicut
No, that is your assertion, not backed up in the least by any sort of evidence or real-world experience, and contradicted by SFZ, my brother, and my parents, all of whom do have real world experience.
Again: There is no reason to believe that if teachers had less protection, that the bad ones would actually be the ones fired. The ones who the administration liked best would stay, those they disliked would go. There is no reason, at all, in any way, to believe the administrators would make good decisions about the quality of teachers. You have given absolutely no reason why you think administrators are a trustable judge of teacher quality.
That's why you need defined metrics for the position. Things like test scores that form the standard for what 'good teacher' is. You create and enforce standards, that's the way forwards. Measure the employee by the metrics.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:15:42am |
re: #546 Dark_Falcon
No, nuclear is sustainable, at least medium term. Long term, we do need something like Yucca Mountain to hold the waste.
I think in the long term nuclear energy just isn't a good idea. no matter how well designed there will inevitably be accidents with reactors, waste containment, transportation ect. It will never be 100% safe and even though accidents might be rare they could be significant.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:16:29am |
re: #544 BishopX
The latest from The Wall Street Journal:
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:16:48am |
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kirkspencer Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:18:00am |
re: #533 Dark_Falcon
That is my concern. My argument is that whatever good such rules do for protecting good teachers is outweighed by the harm done in protecting bad ones. The worst in a profession tend to ruin more than the best create, in my experience.
Ah. A classic argument.
Is it better that a hundred innocent be punished lest a single guilty escape justice, or is it better that a hundred guilty escape justice lest a single innocent be unjustly punished? That is the root, really.
We know, being human, that we will err. We have a great deal of control in this case which way the error will fall.
Will our no-tolerance bias be toward insuring no guilty go unpunished, or will it be toward allowing no innocent be harmed?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:18:28am |
[Link: www.ottawacitizen.com...]
Officials in protective gear check for signs of radiation on children who are from the evacuation area near the Fukushima Daini nuclear plant in Koriyama, March 13, 2011. Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano confirmed on Saturday there has been an explosion and radiation leakage at Tokyo Electric Power Co's (TEPCO) Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.
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Winny Spencer Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:18:46am |
re: #547 Sergey Romanov
Probably an insignificant minority.
As substantiated as your proposition.
PS: I also note that you updinged the call for genocide.
Hamas probably won the election because of their social and educational programs.
Retracted.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:19:16am |
re: #549 Dark_Falcon
That's why you need defined metrics for the position. Things like test scores that form the standard for what 'good teacher' is. You create and enforce standards, that's the way forwards. Measure the employee by the metrics.
There is great difficulty in measuring professions that don't have money or some such other objective parameter to define them short term. Test scores don't measure how productive a citizen is or will be. How do you measure happiness?
Sometimes, I think that they only way to define a good teacher is to keep records for 50 years and then measure who stayed out of jail and paid taxes in those years.
It's much easier in business and sales, I agree.
With teachers, it seems the only thing everyone can agree on as a parameter is criminal activity, i.e. sex with students.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:19:48am |
re: #548 ggt
Are we sending USNS Comfort or Mercy?
Comfort is still in the Atlantic, last I heard. If Mercy is at Pearl Harbor, it'll take days for her to arrive.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:19:55am |
re: #536 Shiplord Kirel
Fantastic post. Updingity!1!
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:20:29am |
re: #558 Dark_Falcon
Comfort is still in the Atlantic, last I heard. If Mercy is at Pearl Harbor, it'll take days for her to arrive.
I couldn't find any news reports that they were deployed to Japan.
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sagehen Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:21:39am |
re: #549 Dark_Falcon
That's why you need defined metrics for the position. Things like test scores that form the standard for what 'good teacher' is. You create and enforce standards, that's the way forwards. Measure the employee by the metrics.
So public school teachers who have zero input about who gets into their classroom, whether or not those kids are smart or well-fed or have a roof over their heads, it's up to the principal whether troublemaker kids can disrupt class every day, but teachers will be deemed failures if their students don't live up the standards of some other group of kids that doesn't have those problems.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:22:00am |
re: #556 Winny Spencer
We weren't talking about elections.
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BishopX Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:23:22am |
re: #546 Dark_Falcon
No, nuclear is sustainable, at least medium term. Long term, we do need something like Yucca Mountain to hold the waste.
Nuclear isn't sustainable in the short or long term. The only reason nuclear energy is competitive is because of massive government subsidies (source). It's essentially a strategic decision to invest in nuclear, not an economic one.
In the long term, we really don't have any way of dealing with spent fuel effectively, either we reprocess it into weapons (generated a whole bunch of low grade radioactive waste in the process) or we let it sit for thousands of years. Humans don't function well on those time scales.
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Winny Spencer Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:23:53am |
re: #562 Sergey Romanov
We weren't talking about elections.
Election results can be an indicator of the mindset of a population.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:24:46am |
re: #564 Winny Spencer
Election results can be an indicator of the mindset of a population.
Elections results tell us nothing about the percentage of celebrators.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:24:55am |
re: #564 Winny Spencer
Election results can be an indicator of the mindset of a population.
I think election results are an indicator of the emotional status of a population more than their mindset.
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Obdicut Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:25:40am |
re: #549 Dark_Falcon
That's why you need defined metrics for the position. Things like test scores that form the standard for what 'good teacher' is. You create and enforce standards, that's the way forwards. Measure the employee by the metrics.
And how do you tell if your metric is good? What is the metric of the metric?
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Sionainn Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:26:33am |
re: #549 Dark_Falcon
That's why you need defined metrics for the position. Things like test scores that form the standard for what 'good teacher' is. You create and enforce standards, that's the way forwards. Measure the employee by the metrics.
How do you propose to measure what a good teacher is for those who don't have any hand in test scores? For example, my husband teaches anatomy and physics. All of the students in his classes have already taken the proficiency examinations and what he teaches isn't tested. Also, how do you take into account transiency rates of students? Which teacher gets the blame for the student who has been moved around innumerable times during the school years? How do you take into account those students who are smart to begin with and will perform highly on tests no matter the teacher? How about those students who freeze on tests or just fill in the bubbles to get the thing done and don't give a rat's ass if they pass or fail, and certainly don't care if it reflect poorly on their teachers?
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:27:11am |
re: #561 sagehen
So public school teachers who have zero input about who gets into their classroom, whether or not those kids are smart or well-fed or have a roof over their heads, it's up to the principal whether troublemaker kids can disrupt class every day, but teachers will be deemed failures if their students don't live up the standards of some other group of kids that doesn't have those problems.
Yes, but let's also defund Head Start. It's for the children! We must stop this entitlement culture!
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:29:30am |
re: #560 ggt
I cannot find the article that stated that a carrier group was headed in that direction.
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eastwald Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:30:15am |
The embedded video wouldn't work for me (Firefox 3.6.15). Direct link for others having the same problem: Direct link to Onion
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Sionainn Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:30:35am |
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:30:45am |
The only metrics we have for teachers are
1-basic proficiency in the three "r's".
2-You can had basic HR parameters such as, shows up for work on-time, follows procedures, chain of command, etc.
3-Then, criminal activity.
Teacher performance has to be measured by the school they are employeed.
If most students are barely proficient in a given school the three "r's", the teacher has to be measured by the curve. Those that really perform should be emulated and rewarded.
We have to pay for social services to address the larger situation that is hindering student performance.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:31:22am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:31:53am |
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:32:47am |
re: #574 ggt
The only metrics we have for teachers are
1-basic proficiency in the three "r's".
2-You can had basic HR parameters such as, shows up for work on-time, follows procedures, chain of command, etc.
3-Then, criminal activity.
Teacher performance has to be measured by the school they are employeed.
If most students are barely proficient in a given school the three "r's", the teacher has to be measured by the curve. Those that really perform should be emulated and rewarded.
We have to pay for social services to address the larger situation that is hindering student performance.
In addition, the teacher has to be matched with the school. A teacher that can't handle a low performing student base, might excell in a different school district or with "gifted" students.
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Winny Spencer Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:33:40am |
re: #565 Sergey Romanov
Elections results tell us nothing about the percentage of celebrators.
Is it a compulsion of yours to downding every comment I make? Or do you only target my spurious claims and unsubstantiated assertions?
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:33:53am |
Perhaps the idea of treating schools as a business is a little off the mark, perhaps they just need a business model of Human Resources. One that fits the job with the individual.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:35:23am |
re: #578 Winny Spencer
Is it a compulsion of yours to downding every comment I make? Or do you only target my spurious claims and unsubstantiated assertions?
Isn't #564 a reply enough to that question?
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:36:53am |
I have to be productive.
Have a great afternoon all!
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:39:13am |
re: #578 Winny Spencer
Is it a compulsion of yours to downding every comment I make? Or do you only target my spurious claims and unsubstantiated assertions?
Downding for hyperbole. He's not downdinging all your comments.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:45:42am |
re: #547 Sergey Romanov
Probably an insignificant minority.
As substantiated as your proposition.
PS: I also note that you updinged the call for genocide.
That wasn't a call to genocide. That was an expression of intense frustration and anger. It's something that would not happen in real life and which I would not want to happen.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:46:13am |
re: #543 Killgore Trout
Tsunami carrying away buildings and cars
[Video]
There's a boat in that one, at about 15 seconds and again at 41 seconds or so - looks like somebody's in it.
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Political Atheist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:46:27am |
re: #550 Killgore Trout
Consider this though. Every single energy technology that is fuel based is energetic enough to cause great harm somewhere in the process. Solar and wind are not going to keep up with cars and electrical demand alone by far.
The general public reaction to radiation injuries, deaths and risks is just wildly out of proportion to the far more "acceptable" injuries and deaths at coal mines, oil wells, gas infrastructure.... Look at the residential deaths from gas line explosions. Yet nobody wants all that gas shut down, just far better safety management.
IMO-It's just out misconception of risks that does it. According to Wiki, 100,000 deaths in the past 100 years from coal mining alone. Nobody died at Three Mile. Seventy people died at Chernobyl. Not tens of thousands.
As for radiation and long term risks, just look at Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Bustling cities despite for some time now, despite being ground zero for an atomic attack.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:47:57am |
re: #579 ggt
Perhaps the idea of treating schools as a business is a little off the mark, perhaps they just need a business model of Human Resources. One that fits the job with the individual.
Yes, that I'd be in favor of.
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dmon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:48:12am |
One of my coworkers is married to teacher, she didnt have tenure yet. She was asked if she would be willing to teach a class of troubled students. She took it on, actually enjoyed the challenege. At the end of the year the school board fired her because the kids had low test scores.....go figure
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:48:36am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:49:10am |
re: #584 Dark_Falcon
That wasn't a call to genocide. That was an expression of intense frustration and anger. It's something that would not happen in real life and which I would not want to happen.
Formally it was, although I understand it was not your intent. I've had someone dear to me call for the death of all Chechens after Beslan (it was spontaneous and she wouldn't even remember ever uttering it some time later, and she's not really a racist). However, I don't understand what those updinging this outburst are thinking.
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Political Atheist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:50:44am |
re: #588 dmon
Geez. That sucks for everybody. Concentrating the troubled students just reinforces trouble via peer pressure/behavior. I would think troubled students would be better off surrounded by better students.
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Obdicut Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:51:52am |
re: #450 Dark_Falcon
I'm sorry, but I honestly think that Gaza should be carpet-bombed for celebrating that. I know why that won't be done, but if you're celebrating the deaths of children then you don't deserve to live.
There are children on Gaza too. So you, yourself, are here calling for the deaths of children.
I understand this was an 'outburst', but you took the time to write it, and to post it.
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dmon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:52:13am |
re: #591 Rightwingconspirator
Im not convinced that you will get the result you want. One troublemaking student can bring an entire class to a halt
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reine.de.tout Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:52:17am |
Reine is a wingnut; but we have no more early morning wingnut hour
ha! Very nice!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:52:36am |
re: #589 iceweasel
It's
and
without the spaces.
Interesting. I'm learning about markup languages to help my father write a math paper, this stuff is right in the lane for me.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:54:05am |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:54:06am |
re: #592 Obdicut
There are children on Gaza too. So you, yourself, are here calling for the deaths of children.
I understand this was an 'outburst', but you took the time to write it, and to post it.
And I retract and disavow that post. I was on tilt when I wrote it. That doesn't happen often for me, and I'm sorry it did.
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Political Atheist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:54:15am |
re: #593 dmon
Could be, I'm no expert, just tossing out ideas. I hate to think it's a no win situation. Can't just give up and just shuffle them off to trade school or military service.
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Obdicut Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:55:03am |
re: #591 Rightwingconspirator
Geez. That sucks for everybody. Concentrating the troubled students just reinforces trouble via peer pressure/behavior. I would think troubled students would be better off surrounded by better students.
It's a very classic dilemma; will the good students help the poor one, or will the poor students discourage the good ones?
In addition, my friend Charles-- a brilliant teacher and educational reformer-- felt that most of the good teachers were either good at teaching problem kids, or good at teaching docile kids, or good at teaching super-smart kids; they normally had one group of kids they did very well with, but were not especially skilled with other groups.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:55:37am |
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dmon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:56:11am |
re: #598 Rightwingconspirator
Im no expert and really have no idea what the solution is, society has changed, in my day if I acted up at school, me parents let me have........ nowa teacher disciplines a kid and the parents are calling for her head. It makes it almost impossible to deal with a disruptive kid.
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Winny Spencer Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:57:41am |
re: #590 Sergey Romanov
Formally it was, although I understand it was not your intent. I've had someone dear to me call for the death of all Chechens after Beslan (it was spontaneous and she wouldn't even remember ever uttering it some time later, and she's not really a racist). However, I don't understand what those updinging this outburst are thinking.
They can likewise be an expression of intense frustration and anger. It requires even less of an effort to upding than to write a comment.
I apologize too.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:57:51am |
re: #598 Rightwingconspirator
Could be, I'm no expert, just tossing out ideas. I hate to think it's a no win situation. Can't just give up and just shuffle them off to trade school or military service.
Trade school wouldn't be a bad idea. Many such kids are ill-suited to college. It might be better to just admit that and try to help them find their niche elsewhere for now. After they get some life experience and settle down mentally, then perhaps some adult-learning university classes will be a the ticket.
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webevintage Sat, Mar 12, 2011 9:57:55am |
re: #591 Rightwingconspirator
Geez. That sucks for everybody. Concentrating the troubled students just reinforces trouble via peer pressure/behavior. I would think troubled students would be better off surrounded by better students.
I think that these classes are normally smaller so the kids get more attention and one on one time with a teacher who is better suited to teaching them.
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austin_blue Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:01:01am |
re: #540 Killgore Trout
Guardian blog:
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
The claim is that they lost the steam but not the core.
Hope this isn't a "Grandmas on the roof" moment.
And good morning to all. And afternoon to those in the UK.
My city is overrun with The Badge People. SXSW is in full swing.
"You mean you eat tacos for breakfast? How weird is that?!?!?!"
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dmon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:01:49am |
Through all my years in school I dont recall any teacher that I didnt learn from...... but I would attribute that to my parents insisting i learn, more than somehow having an uninterupted string of good teachers.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:02:58am |
re: #604 Winny Spencer
Palestinian culture is largely dysfunctional and what we see is the doing of the someone from the extremes of that culture. Whether the extreme is becoming the mainstream remains to be seen, but I would urge not to utterly condemn a whole large swath of people based on fragmentary information. Realistic look at the situation is always appreciated, engaging in demonization - not so much.
| 610 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:07:45am |
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reine.de.tout Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:09:12am |
Off to pilates!
My black workout pants are covered with animal hair.
I guess I'll be wearing my pets to the class today.
| 612 |
BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:09:26am |
re: #610 reine.de.tout
Heh.
Not today, anyhow.
Not any day! I've never seen you type anything that was [wingnutty] worthy.
| 613 |
A Man for all Seasons Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:09:38am |
re: #608 dmon
Through all my years in school I
dontdon't recall any teacher that Ididntdidn't learn from... but I would attribute that to my parents insisting i learn, more than somehow having an uninterupted string of good teachers.
Where the hell did I put my red pen?
*wink*
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:12:03am |
re: #609 Sergey Romanov
Palestinian culture is largely dysfunctional and what we see is the doing of the someone from the extremes of that culture. Whether the extreme is becoming the mainstream remains to be seen, but I would urge not to utterly condemn a whole large swath of people based on fragmentary information. Realistic look at the situation is always appreciated, engaging in demonization - not so much.
I think that's trying to make an excuse for their behavior. This is the result of 60 years of one generation after the next teaching their children that there's only 1 solution to their problem. 60 years of intense propaganda with the Israelis sometimes not making it easy on themselves. This isn't an extreme, this is typical.
| 615 |
dmon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:13:39am |
re: #613 HoosierHoops
Maybe I didnt learn as much as i thought I did.......
P.S. I hated English and grammer in school...... science and math guy
| 616 |
austin_blue Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:14:30am |
Hoops!
The final between Texas and KU should be great.
Who do you like?
| 617 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:14:38am |
re: #614 RogueOne
"This" - what? The murder? The murder is the result of the extremist ideology. The celebration? It's a result of the dysfunctional culture, but we don't know how widespread the celebration was. Where's the "excuse"?
| 618 |
A Man for all Seasons Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:16:56am |
re: #615 dmon
Maybe I didnt learn as much as i thought I did...
P.S. I hated English and grammer in school... science and math guy
I'm teasing you..Although you may be the first person in history to put a comma before more..
I hated English also
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:17:46am |
re: #612 iceweasel
Not any day! I've never seen you type anything that was [wingnutty] worthy.
So the tag is reserved for something like the following, right?:
Iron Fist
30 | March 12, 2011 10:57@ vagabond trader:
We should go back to slave power. Everyone should own a few Liberals…
reply | quote
Later in that same thread Iron Fist calls for Israel to round up and shoot 5000 Palestinians in reprisal for the terrorist murder this morning (it was Saturday morning in Israel when it happened). And yet Charles is a "tyrant" for banning him.
Logic!
| 620 |
A Man for all Seasons Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:18:37am |
re: #616 austin_blue
Hoops!
The final between Texas and KU should be great.
Who do you like?
I like Texas..If they play like they should they will crush KU in the paint
| 621 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:22:32am |
re: #619 Dark_Falcon
The comment he was banned for is quoted in this comment: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
| 622 |
RogueOne Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:22:55am |
re: #617 Sergey Romanov
"This" - what? The murder? The murder is the result of the extremist ideology. The celebration? It's a result of the dysfunctional culture, but we don't know how widespread the celebration was. Where's the "excuse"?
Both are the result of extremist political/religious ideology. I think calling it "dysfunctional" is putting it nicely.
| 623 |
BishopX Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:23:44am |
Good news from the Arab world!
The Arab league unanimously voted to ask the UN to impose a no fly zone over Libya this morning.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
| 624 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:24:30am |
re: #622 RogueOne
Both are the result of extremist political/religious ideology. I think calling it "dysfunctional" is putting it nicely.
There is extremism in every society. Dysfunctional ones don't keep it in check.
| 625 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:25:28am |
re: #623 BishopX
Good news from the Arab world!
The Arab league unanimously voted to ask the UN to impose a no fly zone over Libya this morning.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Good. Next, they should condemn the recent terror-murders in the West Bank. Though i won't hold my breath.
| 626 |
RogueOne Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:25:33am |
re: #624 Sergey Romanov
There is extremism in every society. Dysfunctional ones don't keep it in check.
True but you can't call it dysfunctional if it's achieved the desired intent.
| 627 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:26:45am |
More right wing terrorism....
Bus driver charged in attack on Madera Planned Parenthood
A Chowchilla school bus driver has been charged with firebombing a Planned Parenthood office here last September, and authorities said Thursday he also is responsible for vandalism and menacing signs left at the city's Islamic center.
Donny Eugene Mower, 37, of Madera, was arrested Wednesday on federal charges of attacking a reproductive health clinic. If convicted, he faces a minimum of five years in prison.
| 628 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:26:51am |
re: #625 Dark_Falcon
Good. Next, they should condemn the recent terror-murders in the West Bank. Though i won't hold my breath.
Palestinian PM did it, why do you think anyone else would have a problem with it?
| 630 |
Political Atheist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:27:59am |
re: #606 webevintage
That is an excellent point, and it would seem to work best at smaller schools, in smaller school districts. Scale impedes dynamics. The sheer scale of LAUSD adds too much inertia and reluctance to change anything. It should be broken up into a few more manageable pieces.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:28:07am |
re: #626 RogueOne
True but you can't call it dysfunctional if it's achieved the desired intent.
That's the question, isn't it. I don't think a random Palestinian is capable of doing such a thing.
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Girth Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:28:09am |
re: #623 BishopX
Good news from the Arab world!
The Arab league unanimously voted to ask the UN to impose a no fly zone over Libya this morning.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Good. Now have the Saudi Air Force lead the missions.
| 633 |
Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:28:37am |
[1:20 p.m. ET, 3:20 a.m. Tokyo] Authorities have begun radiation exposure testing around Fukushima prefecture where three people - randomly selected out of a group of 90 - have tested positive for radiation poisoning, according to Japan's government broadcaster, NHK.
| 635 |
sagehen Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:29:48am |
re: #623 BishopX
Good news from the Arab world!
The Arab league unanimously voted to ask the UN to impose a no fly zone over Libya this morning.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
This makes me happy.
| 636 |
austin_blue Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:30:52am |
re: #620 HoosierHoops
I like Texas..If they play like they should they will crush KU in the paint
The only thing that scares me is their free throw shooting. It sucks. Not good in the Big Show. We'll see, eh? Five o'clock local on ESPN. Don't have cable, so I'll be *forced* to get my white candy ass to a drinking establishment down the hill to see it. Woe is me!!
| 637 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:34:44am |
re: #628 Sergey Romanov
Palestinian PM did it, why do you think anyone else would have a problem with it?
The condemnation of the attack was standard universal condemnation of Israeli "terrorism" against the Palestinians too. It's a standard statement for PR purposes to the foreign press. Arafat used the same gimick for decades, his statements in arabic to Palestinian audiences were very different from his statements to the foreign press.
| 638 |
Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:37:39am |
Anybody else seen whats happening in Michigan?
(hint, it involves a republican governor, and isn't very good)
| 639 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:39:15am |
re: #637 Killgore Trout
I didn't dispute that.
| 640 |
wrenchwench Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:45:01am |
re: #627 Killgore Trout
More right wing terrorism...
Bus driver charged in attack on Madera Planned Parenthood
I don't think I could get on a Chowchilla school bus.
| 641 |
sagehen Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:45:03am |
re: #638 wozzablog
Anybody else seen whats happening in Michigan?
(hint, it involves a republican governor, and isn't very good)
[Video]
Rachel's really on fire these days, isn't she?
| 642 |
BishopX Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:45:18am |
re: #638 wozzablog
Oh sweet Jesus! you should really make a page about this.
| 643 |
BishopX Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:50:00am |
re: #627 Killgore Trout
More right wing terrorism...
Bus driver charged in attack on Madera Planned Parenthood
Mower had the word "peckerwood" -- the name of a white supremacist gang -- tattooed across his lower back, but Wagner said investigators do not have evidence that he is a gang member.
Man, I've heard of some stupid gang names before, but this one takes the take. Be careful or the tiny dicks are gonna get you?
| 644 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:51:01am |
re: #435 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I pray that I am wrong. Japan may have just lost 50,000 citizens.
It's gonna be high. They had no chance to evacuate before the water started coming in.
| 645 |
Kragar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:52:25am |
Buried Soldiers May Be Victims of Ancient Chemical Weapon
Almost 2,000 years ago, 19 Roman soldiers rushed into a cramped underground tunnel, prepared to defend the Roman-held Syrian city of Dura-Europos from an army of Persians digging to undermine the city's mudbrick walls. But instead of Persian soldiers, the Romans met with a wall of noxious black smoke that turned to acid in their lungs. Their crystal-pommeled swords were no match for this weapon; the Romans choked and died in moments, many with their last pay of coins still slung in purses on their belts.
| 646 |
Girth Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:57:01am |
re: #638 wozzablog
Anybody else seen whats happening in Michigan?
(hint, it involves a republican governor, and isn't very good)
[Video]
This state is fucked. Detroit is in critical condition and the rest of the state is in the ICU along with it. The current situation is truly unsustainable. I had hoped that Snyder would actually bring some innovative ideas to the governor's office. People bitched about Granholm not helping the state any, which to some extent is true, but she also was governor at a terrible time and I don't think anyone could have done anything that would have been effective for the state. Now I'm afraid Snyder is going to actively break the state. Probably going to be the last R I vote for for quite some time.
| 647 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 10:58:19am |
re: #500 Killgore Trout
The Republican primaries are going to be very interesting...
Bachmann Mangles Revolutionary History In N.H.
lol
OK, logically, if the shots at Lexington and Concord were heard around the world, they were also heard in the nearby then-colony of New Hampshire, so I don't see an issue here.
//Of course, they were also heard in Moscow and Kyoto, but you get the idea.
| 648 |
Kragar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:02:07am |
re: #647 SanFranciscoZionist
OK, logically, if the shots at Lexington and Concord were heard around the world, they were also heard in the nearby then-colony of New Hampshire, so I don't see an issue here.
//Of course, they were also heard in Moscow and Kyoto, but you get the idea.
"Light Brigade" Bachmann never fails to disappoint people with a basic grasp of history.
| 649 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:02:08am |
re: #523 Sergey Romanov
What percentage of the population was celebrating?
What percentage of the non-celebrating population has any ability to try to create peace?
| 650 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:04:16am |
re: #547 Sergey Romanov
Probably an insignificant minority.
As substantiated as your proposition.
PS: I also note that you updinged the call for genocide.
Not insignificant, even if a minority, in the sense that they are in compliance with the ideology of those who have control of Gaza.
| 651 |
Ziggy Standard Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:05:41am |
How foreign media affect revolutions
The more vulnerable a country is to Western pressure, the more likely its leaders are to step down when a revolution comes.
If President Hosni Mubarak had not been America's ally, he might still be in his impressive palace in Heliopolis now.
Colonel Gaddafi has so far managed to hang on because he is too way out, too friendless internationally for anyone to be able to stop him using his tanks and air force to bombard his own people.
So the West's care for human life and its free press are great at bringing down the less extreme dictators and not so good at bringing down the really nasty ones.
It is something to muse on.
| 652 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:05:54am |
re: #649 SanFranciscoZionist
What percentage of the non-celebrating population has any ability to try to create peace?
No idea. I objected to making far-reaching conclusions from the displays of barbarity by the unknown percentage of population and didn't go beyond that. If I were to go beyond that, then I would focus on the victory of Hamas in the first place, which makes the point far better.
| 653 |
Kragar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:07:18am |
I wonder if you asked Bachmann if she thought the Teapot Dome Scandal was an attempt to smear the Tea party, how far would she get in her response before a handler wrestled her to the ground?
| 654 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:07:26am |
| 655 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:09:04am |
Huffpost moderator speculates that Jews murdered the family.....
Jewish Couple And Three Children, Including Baby, Stabbed To Death In West Bank
HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
CoronaDischarge 8 minutes ago (1:47 PM)
No one can ever lay claim to any honor with such acts. Reflexive reversion to stereotypes and accusing the usual suspects serves no purpose until all the facts are known and there is actual justification. Let the Palestinians show their mettle in their attempts to bring the guilty parties to justice along with the Israelis without condemning everyone. These are acts against humanity for which it is not unthinkable that radicals of either side may have some hand, because of their refusal to ever let go of their hatred and end a conflict that is more comfortable in the sustaining than in the ending.
| 656 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:11:38am |
re: #619 Dark_Falcon
So the tag is reserved for something like the following, right?:
Later in that same thread Iron Fist calls for Israel to round up and shoot 5000 Palestinians in reprisal for the terrorist murder this morning (it was Saturday morning in Israel when it happened). And yet Charles is a "tyrant" for banning him.
And yet, Bagua insisted that the comment about hanging me over taxes was an isolated incident (albeit, posted by one of the contributors to the 'blog'), and that he had never seen anything like it there before.
I suppose enslaving liberals is less unpleasant than actually murdering them.
//
| 657 |
jaunte Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:13:16am |
re: #655 Killgore Trout
Whoever that is has broken something trying to stay 'balanced.'
| 658 |
Kragar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:13:50am |
re: #656 SanFranciscoZionist
And yet, Bagua insisted that the comment about hanging me over taxes was an isolated incident (albeit, posted by one of the contributors to the 'blog'), and that he had never seen anything like it there before.
I suppose enslaving liberals is less unpleasant than actually murdering them.
//
They tried domesticating wingnuts for a while until they realized they combined the traits of fainting sheep, honey badgers and lemmings in one package.
| 659 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:14:34am |
re: #655 Killgore Trout
Huffpost moderator speculates that Jews murdered the family...
Jewish Couple And Three Children, Including Baby, Stabbed To Death In West Bank
HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
CoronaDischarge 8 minutes ago (1:47 PM)
I think you're misreading. The bolded part means that both sides can, in principle, engage in these kinds of acts. The preceding sentence makes it clear that he is not disputing the facts: "Let the Palestinians show their mettle in their attempts to bring the guilty parties to...".
| 660 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:15:46am |
re: #652 Sergey Romanov
No idea. I objected to making far-reaching conclusions from the displays of barbarity by the unknown percentage of population and didn't go beyond that. If I were to go beyond that, then I would focus on the victory of Hamas in the first place, which makes the point far better.
Sure, but these displays of barbarity are a fairly regular feature of the society Hamas has managed to create in Gaza, which is the major issue.
| 661 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:16:23am |
re: #653 kragar (proud to be kafir)
I wonder if you asked Bachmann if she thought the Teapot Dome Scandal was an attempt to smear the Tea party, how far would she get in her response before a handler wrestled her to the ground?
I don't know, but I would like to see that. And I usually don't approve of 'gotcha' setups.
| 662 |
Ziggy Standard Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:16:56am |
re: #656 SanFranciscoZionist
And yet, Bagua insisted that the comment about hanging me over taxes was an isolated incident (albeit, posted by one of the contributors to the 'blog'), and that he had never seen anything like it there before.
I suppose enslaving liberals is less unpleasant than actually murdering them.
//
Bagua is a monumental liar and an obsessive freak with an extremely creepy fixation on iceweasel.
I'm also remembering now that Ironfist talked about stabbing you in the femoral artery.
| 663 |
b_sharp Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:17:18am |
re: #655 Killgore Trout
Huffpost moderator speculates that Jews murdered the family...
Jewish Couple And Three Children, Including Baby, Stabbed To Death In West Bank
HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
CoronaDischarge 8 minutes ago (1:47 PM)
Given the history of the area, the probability it was a Palestinian attack is much, much higher than the probability it was an Israeli or random attack, but I think this moderator is latching on to the existence of a non-zero probability and inflating it dramatically to give herself/himself some kind of false hope.
Bias confirmation is an active force everywhere.
| 664 |
Interesting Times Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:20:58am |
re: #662 Jimmah
Bagua is a monumental liar and an obsessive freak with an extremely creepy fixation on iceweasel.
And LVQ - I still can't fathom this. Imagine, trying to get someone's real identity so you could pass it on to someone who made death threats against them?? No better than the creeps from totalitarian regimes who turned in their neighbors for being the undesirables-of-the-moment.
| 665 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:22:56am |
re: #660 SanFranciscoZionist
Sure, but these displays of barbarity are a fairly regular feature of the society Hamas has managed to create in Gaza, which is the major issue.
That Hamas and Gaza under Hamas are not a partner in peace is obvious. The comments are aimed at the society as such, and so don't really prove anything unless it's a substantial part of the population, rather than a few loud extremists who are always more visible. Again, if one wants to prove anything, such displays of barbarity are not really probative, regular or not. Support for Hamas is.
| 666 |
Stauff Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:23:02am |
When did Americans become so incredibly hateful ... and stupid? Image: it2rh.jpg
| 667 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:24:20am |
re: #662 Jimmah
Bagua is a monumental liar and an obsessive freak with an extremely creepy fixation on iceweasel.
I'm also remembering now that Ironfist talked about stabbing you in the femoral artery.
Well, technically, about Arache stabbing me in the femoral artery, after she challenged me to a duel for the honor of Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck.
I must admit to being a little surprised that Bagua has never seen anything as nasty as me being threatened with lynching over there before.
Reeeaallly?
| 668 |
Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:24:26am |
re: #666 Stauff
When did Americans become so incredibly hateful ... and stupid? Image: it2rh.jpg
| 669 |
b_sharp Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:24:33am |
re: #661 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't know, but I would like to see that. And I usually don't approve of 'gotcha' setups.
Consider it a public service. Disabuse her sycophantic followers of their trust in her knowledge of history.
| 670 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:26:44am |
re: #666 Stauff
When did Americans become so incredibly hateful ... and stupid? Image: it2rh.jpg
I have no idea, since I can't read whatever that is. Too small.
| 671 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:26:46am |
re: #659 Sergey Romanov
I think you're misreading. The bolded part means that both sides can, in principle, engage in these kinds of acts. The preceding sentence makes it clear that he is not disputing the facts: "Let the Palestinians show their mettle in their attempts to bring the guilty parties to...".
I think you're straining. if the athour meant "can" they would have used the word. The statement "These are acts against humanity for which it is not unthinkable that radicals of either side may have some hand..." is pretty clear. I also think it's completely delusional to imagine that the Palestinians are going to capture and punish the murderer. They are much more likely to give him a medal and make him a national hero.
| 672 |
Kragar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:27:26am |
re: #666 Stauff
When did Americans become so incredibly hateful ... and stupid? Image: it2rh.jpg
Ignorant fucks.
| 673 |
Interesting Times Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:27:34am |
re: #670 SanFranciscoZionist
I have no idea, since I can't read whatever that is. Too small.
Right-click his link and choose "open in new tab/window/whatever" Then zoom in.
| 675 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:27:54am |
re: #669 b_sharp
Consider it a public service. Disabuse her sycophantic followers of their trust in her knowledge of history.
I don't think it would work at all. You don't become a psychophantic follower of Michelle Bachmann if something like realizing she doesn't know jack about U.S. history is going to stop you.
| 676 |
Stauff Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:27:55am |
| 677 |
Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:27:57am |
re: #670 SanFranciscoZionist
I have no idea, since I can't read whatever that is. Too small.
Basically that the earthquake and tsunami in Japan was karma for Pearl Harbor.
| 678 |
Kragar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:28:07am |
re: #670 SanFranciscoZionist
I have no idea, since I can't read whatever that is. Too small.
Right click the link and open in a new tab or window.
| 680 |
Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:29:28am |
| 681 |
Kragar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:29:47am |
And yet I bet a lot of those same fuckers screamed bloody murder when Ward Churchill made his "chickens come home to roost" comment.
| 684 |
zora Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:30:48am |
re: #655 Killgore Trout
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
Gaza celebrates; Fayyad condemns terror attack
Rafah residents hand out candy following murder of parents, three children in West Bank settlement of Itamar. Palestinian PM denounces act, says "we categorically oppose violence and terror, regardless of victims', perpetrators' identity"
| 685 |
General Nimrod Bodfish Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:30:55am |
re: #677 Varek Raith
One would think that have two atomic bombs dropped on your country would more than make up for the Pearl Harbor attack, but then again, I'm not filled with hatred.
| 686 |
b_sharp Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:31:31am |
re: #666 Stauff
When did Americans become so incredibly hateful ... and stupid? Image: it2rh.jpg
WOW, what utter stupidity.
The idea of payback is nonsense in itself, but the events of Nagasaki and Hiroshima forced the Japanese people to suffer inhumanly. Demanding they suffer more is something only sub-human humans could expect or want.
Fucking morons, the lot of them.
| 687 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:32:12am |
re: #674 Gus 802
I have an idea. Let's consider Hiroshima and Nagasaki, not to mention the overthrow of the Japanese military, to have 'avenged' Pearl Harbor, and then we can move the fuck on to tsunami relief.
Being mean and petty to the Japanese is not going to honor any of the men who died in the war.
| 688 |
Gus Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:32:24am |
re: #685 commadore183
One would think that have two atomic bombs dropped on your country would more than make up for the Pearl Harbor attack, but then again, I'm not filled with hatred.
And the Tokyo raids.
| 689 |
b_sharp Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:33:00am |
re: #670 SanFranciscoZionist
I have no idea, since I can't read whatever that is. Too small.
Hey now, my wife says size doesn't matter.
Click on it to zoom.
| 690 |
BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:33:13am |
re: #682 Gus 802
And a Scientologist!
//
Have you ever seen Bowfinger? It has a great parody of scientology in it: "MindHead". Jimmah and I watched it the other night.
| 691 |
bratwurst Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:33:43am |
re: #673 publicityStunted
Right-click his link and choose "open in new tab/window/whatever" Then zoom in.
Wish I hadn't.
| 692 |
Kragar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:33:53am |
Those douchebags share the same mentality as those people who passed out candy and danced in the streets on 9/11. Sick bastards.
| 693 |
Winny Spencer Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:34:14am |
re: #666 Stauff
When did Americans become so incredibly hateful ... and stupid? Image: it2rh.jpg
Holy f-ck, that is depressing to read.
| 694 |
Gus Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:34:29am |
re: #687 SanFranciscoZionist
I have an idea. Let's consider Hiroshima and Nagasaki, not to mention the overthrow of the Japanese military, to have 'avenged' Pearl Harbor, and then we can move the fuck on to tsunami relief.
Being mean and petty to the Japanese is not going to honor any of the men who died in the war.
Pretty much. We can also forgive the American forces for having fire bombed civilian targets.
| 695 |
Kragar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:34:59am |
re: #689 b_sharp
Hey now, my wife says size doesn't matter.
Thats not what she told me.
Sorry, I could just not that line go by uncontested.
Carry on with the thread.
| 697 |
Gus Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:35:24am |
And slavery. And Manifest Destiny. And the Philippines. And Iraq (cough). And the American Indian. And the Mexicans.
| 698 |
General Nimrod Bodfish Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:35:24am |
re: #688 Gus 802
D'oh! Forgot about those.
Seriously, it's sad that people who weren't alive when Pearl Harbor was attacked are the ones upset over it. WTF?
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:35:52am |
re: #688 Gus 802
And the Tokyo raids.
The firebombing of Japanese cities actually killed more than the atom bombs.
I can't stand the way wars were fought back then.
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Gus Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:36:34am |
re: #698 commadore183
D'oh! Forgot about those.
Seriously, it's sad that people who weren't alive when Pearl Harbor was attacked are the ones upset over it. WTF?
I have no idea where this all evolved from but I saw it this morning. Pearl Harbor? WTF indeed.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:36:51am |
re: #694 Gus 802
Pretty much. We can also forgive the American forces for having fire bombed civilian targets.
Why do I have a feeling that many of these people walking around feeling that Japanese farmers born in 1980 deserve to drown in revenge for Pearl Harbor spend a lot of time insisting that nothing bad that ever happened to black or Japanese or Latino Americans has anything to do with them?
| 702 |
Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:38:05am |
re: #646 Girth
This state is fucked. Detroit is in critical condition and the rest of the state is in the ICU along with it. The current situation is truly unsustainable. I had hoped that Snyder would actually bring some innovative ideas to the governor's office. People bitched about Granholm not helping the state any, which to some extent is true, but she also was governor at a terrible time and I don't think anyone could have done anything that would have been effective for the state. Now I'm afraid Snyder is going to actively break the state. Probably going to be the last R I vote for for quite some time.
"First, do no harm".
IT's apparently now abundantly clear tha tthe new batch of GOP state legislators and governors wants only to destroy and tear down. They will keep tearing down and keep destroying until they "hey, government isn't working, the private sector can do better than this" - at which point huge corporations come in and suck up state contracts on a no bid basis and slash the wages & benefits of already poorly paid grunts on the ground.
It's been their modus operandi for quite some time.
| 703 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:38:08am |
re: #698 commadore183
D'oh! Forgot about those.
Seriously, it's sad that people who weren't alive when Pearl Harbor was attacked are the ones upset over it. WTF?
None of the veterans of the war in the Pacific that I have ever known would go in for crap like this.
| 704 |
Ziggy Standard Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:38:51am |
re: #664 publicityStunted
And LVQ - I still can't fathom this. Imagine, trying to get someone's real identity so you could pass it on to someone who made death threats against them?? No better than the creeps from totalitarian regimes who turned in their neighbors for being the undesirables-of-the-moment.
Yep - I remember that - he's a malicious, duplicitous little shit all right. And also severely disconnected from reality. In his final flame-out on LGF, he tried to argue that ice and I were eeevil sociopaths for associating him with the stalkers, and then (when he realised that he was not getting his LGF account reinstated) posted that exhange on the stalker site a few days later as though it in some way vindicated him. Talk about the apogee of fail.
He also demonstrated his favourite "lie and flee" tactic during that exchange - claiming that ice and I had run lots of 'decent' posters off the site, then when challenged to name any, announcing that he was 'done talking' to me. Pathetic.
| 705 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:38:57am |
re: #671 Killgore Trout
I think you're straining. if the athour meant "can" they would have used the word. The statement "These are acts against humanity for which it is not unthinkable that radicals of either side may have some hand..." is pretty clear. I also think it's completely delusional to imagine that the Palestinians are going to capture and punish the murderer. They are much more likely to give him a medal and make him a national hero.
Well, I think you're straining to put a meaning there, despite the statement being so unmasterfully written that it is quite ambiguous. But in such cases of ambiguity one needs to show some interpretational charity.
For one thing, the suggestion (if it is such) is ridiculous at face value. Given the mod's seemingly sane comment history the scales tip to the non-evil interpretation.
Also, if you were correct, the mod would've written: "These are acts against humanity for which it is not unthinkable that radicals of either side may have had some hand...".
What the mod is probably trying to convey is that there should be no blaming of the whole groups of people for the acts of the few ("without condemning everyone"). And it would make no sense for the mod to mention the Palestinians bringing perpetrators to justice if no Palestinians were involved. How about asking him/her what she meant?
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:39:16am |
re: #703 SanFranciscoZionist
None of the veterans of the war in the Pacific that I have ever known would go in for crap like this.
After the war was over, my grandfather had no issues with the Japanese.
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Gus Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:39:24am |
re: #703 SanFranciscoZionist
None of the veterans of the war in the Pacific that I have ever known would go in for crap like this.
No doubt that the origin of this meme points to some chickenhawk wingnut.
| 708 |
Interesting Times Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:39:27am |
re: #701 SanFranciscoZionist
That collage of pearl-harbor-payback comments shows that victim-blaming goes well beyond rape. It's like the Internet has given us a window into how utterly ghoulish, hypocritical and downright delusional the "just world" hypothesis can be.
| 709 |
Girth Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:39:37am |
It takes a special kind of douchebag to react to the earthquakes and tsunami in Japan by beating your chest and chanting "USA! USA!"
That kind of person might find himself on his ass rather quickly if I was within earshot.
| 710 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:39:56am |
re: #701 SanFranciscoZionist
Why do I have a feeling that many of these people walking around feeling that Japanese farmers born in 1980 deserve to drown in revenge for Pearl Harbor spend a lot of time insisting that nothing bad that ever happened to black or Japanese or Latino Americans has anything to do with them?
Also, dudes, 'karma' is a Buddhist concept. Should red-blooded Americans be having truck with such?
(OK, originally a Hindu concept, but why confuse the snark?)
| 711 |
b_sharp Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:40:50am |
re: #699 Varek Raith
The firebombing of Japanese cities actually killed more than the atom bombs.
I can't stand the way wars were fought back then.
Was that the same technique practised at Dresden?
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Ziggy Standard Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:40:52am |
Ok, dinner is served here at Jimmah ice acres. BBIB :)
| 713 |
Girth Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:41:56am |
re: #703 SanFranciscoZionist
None of the veterans of the war in the Pacific that I have ever known would go in for crap like this.
I was just thinking how sick this would make my grandfather if he were alive to see it. WWII Navy vet.
| 714 |
bratwurst Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:42:27am |
re: #704 Jimmah
Yep - I remember that - he's a malicious, duplicitous little shit all right. And also severely disconnected from reality. In his final flame-out on LGF, he tried to argue that ice and I were eeevil sociopaths for associating him with the stalkers, and then (when he realised that he was not getting his LGF account reinstated) posted that exhange on the stalker site a few days later as though it in some way vindicated him. Talk about the apogee of fail.
He also demonstrated his favourite "lie and flee" tactic during that exchange - claiming that ice and I had run lots of 'decent' posters off the site, then when challenged to name any, announcing that he was 'done talking' to me. Pathetic.
I liked how he made out after his overdue banning that he had been involved in a long term clandestine effort to undermine LGF. Talk about delusions of grandeur!
| 715 |
Kragar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:42:30am |
re: #711 b_sharp
Was that the same technique practised at Dresden?
Japan used a lot more wood in their construction, so fire bombing was a lot more effective.
| 716 |
Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:42:47am |
re: #711 b_sharp
Was that the same technique practised at Dresden?
Yep. They primarily dropped incendiaries. The resulting firestorms were horrific.
| 717 |
Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:44:08am |
The bombing of Dresden by the Royal Air Force and the United States Army Air Force between 13 February and 15 February 1945 remains one of the more controversial Allied actions of the Western European theatre of war. The inner city of Dresden was largely destroyed by 800 RAF and USAAF bombers that dropped 650,000 incendiaries and 8,000 pounds (3,600 kg)[clarification needed] of high explosives and hundreds of 4,000 pounds (1,800 kg) bombs[13] in three waves of attacks. Early reports estimated 150,000 to 250,000 deaths, but the German Dresden Historians' Commission, in an official 2010 report published after five years of research, concluded there were up to 25,000 civilian casualties.[14]
| 718 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:44:45am |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:45:20am |
re: #708 publicityStunted
That collage of pearl-harbor-payback comments shows that victim-blaming goes well beyond rape. It's like the Internet has given us a window into how utterly ghoulish, hypocritical and downright delusional the "just world" hypothesis can be.
Living in earthquake country, and on a coast that caught just the tail end of this tsunami, I look at these pictures and I realize, there but for the grace of God, and that grace could end RIGHT NOW. WILL end sooner or later.
Felt it all the more with Haiti--nothing but living in an enormously rich country between me and that. I've been in bigger earthquakes than the one that ruined Haiti.
I can't stop the world from knocking me on my ass. But if I and my country reach out to Japan now in their hour of need, I can know that I will deserve the help that comes when I need.
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Gus Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:45:30am |
re: #717 Varek Raith
Also see...
U.S. Army Air Forces in World War II: Combat Chronology
3/10/45 Twentieth AF
24 B-29's bomb M/Y at Kuala Lumpur. (1 of the VHBs drops over half of its bombs at Alor Star A/F). 3 others attack Khao Huakhang, and freighter in channel leading to Port Swettenham. During the predawn hours 279 B-29's, of 325 airborne, blast Tokyo urban area with incendiaries, destroying more than 267,000 buildings about one-fourth in the city and killing more than 83,000 people. This death total is the highest of any single day's action during the war, (exceeding the deaths caused by the first atomic bomb on Hiroshima). 20 other B-29's bomb alternates and T/Os. 14 VHBs are lost. The participating B-29's are from the XXI BC's Bomb Wgs, the 73d, 313th, and 314th, based on Guam, Tinian, and Saipan. The raids are flown at levels ranging from 4,900 to 9,200 ft.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:46:10am |
re: #714 bratwurst
I liked how he made out after his overdue banning that he had been involved in a long term clandestine effort to undermine LGF. Talk about delusions of grandeur!
oh man spy shit! Maybe he'll hack the Gibson!
| 724 |
Kragar Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:46:20am |
re: #718 WindUpBird
OH FACEBOOK NEVER STOP WOWING US
If aliens ever decide to purge us before we infect the rest of the galaxy, Facebook pages will be exhibit A.
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Winny Spencer Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:47:00am |
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Gus Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:47:09am |
re: #720 Gus 802
Also see...
U.S. Army Air Forces in World War II: Combat Chronology
3/10/45 Twentieth AF
And from Wiki:
The figure of roughly 100,000 deaths, provided by Japanese and American authorities, both of whom may have had reasons of their own for minimizing the death toll, seems to me arguably low in light of population density, wind conditions, and survivors' accounts. With an average of 103,000 inhabitants per square mile (396 people per hectare) and peak levels as high as 135,000 per square mile (521 people per hectare), the highest density of any industrial city in the world, and with firefighting measures ludicrously inadequate to the task, 15.8 square miles (41 km2) of Tokyo were destroyed on a night when fierce winds whipped the flames and walls of fire blocked tens of thousands fleeing for their lives. An estimated 1.5 million people lived in the burned out areas.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:47:26am |
re: #711 b_sharp
Was that the same technique practised at Dresden?
We firebombed there, yes. I don't know if it was exactly the same technique. Dark will know. But the idea is that whatever isn't bombed goes up in flames.
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bratwurst Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:48:11am |
re: #718 WindUpBird
OH FACEBOOK NEVER STOP WOWING US
The same technology that helped to topple Arab dictators is also used to propagate that kind of ignorant nonsense. I'm sure there's a lesson in there somewhere.
| 730 |
Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:48:27am |
re: #717 Varek Raith
Completely unrequired. The allies could have bombed the rail tracks/few factories of any value within the bounds they had been using for the last 4 years, but they didn't, it was terror bombing and genocide.
Indiscriminate bombing of civilllians and internally displaced people - mainly women and children. We should have been better than that. Not only did we slaughter civillians but we endangered the lives of bomber crews for no tactical advantage.
| 731 |
Winny Spencer Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:48:47am |
re: #727 Gus 802
Try and keep up.
I have? The facebook-comments were repulsive on every level. Why not leave it at that.
| 732 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:48:54am |
re: #724 kragar (proud to be kafir)
If aliens ever decide to purge us before we infect the rest of the galaxy, Facebook pages will be exhibit A.
Yeah, facebook sorta is the awful truth unveiled, right down to the fact that everyone is hypnotized by social networking games that they keep tossing money at
Angry, stupid, and easily distracted by shiny things!
| 733 |
stevemcg Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:49:27am |
re: #728 SanFranciscoZionist
From what I remember, the raid in Dresden contained a mix of HE and incindiery because of the different construction methods.
| 734 |
Winny Spencer Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:49:48am |
re: #732 WindUpBird
Yeah, facebook sorta is the awful truth unveiled, right down to the fact that everyone is hypnotized by social networking games that they keep tossing money at
Angry, stupid, and easily distracted by shiny things!
Exactly.
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Gus Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:49:49am |
re: #731 Winny Spencer
I have? The facebook-comments were repulsive on every level. Why not leave it at that.
It's a free country dude and I can leave or not leave things "at that" as I please. Now if you don't mind go find someone else to pester.
| 736 |
General Nimrod Bodfish Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:49:56am |
re: #721 Gus 802
Yep, it was seen as a means to demoralize the civilian population and, in theory, have them turn against their government to force a halt to the war. Unfortunately, that doesn't work when the leaders are brutal dictators (see Adolf Hitler). And sometimes, it actually emboldens the population in supporting their governments' actions (like the bombing of London).
| 737 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:49:58am |
About that condemnation from the PA.....
Al-Aqsa Brigades claims responsibility for West Bank killing
Nablus, West Bank - The al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, the armed wing of the Palestinian Fatah movement, claimed responsibility on Saturday for killing five Israeli settlers near the West Bank city of Nablus.
They are responsible for the attack they pretend to condemn.
Pictures of the victims here.
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Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:50:07am |
re: #732 WindUpBird
Yeah, facebook sorta is the awful truth unveiled, right down to the fact that everyone is hypnotized by social networking games that they keep tossing money at
Angry, stupid, and easily distracted by shiny things!
That reminds me - i have to go check my cafe, mafia, frontier & city.......
| 739 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:50:25am |
re: #729 bratwurst
The same technology that helped to topple Arab dictators is also used to propagate that kind of ignorant nonsense. I'm sure there's a lesson in there somewhere.
You can't stop progress, or something
Facebook is becoming the new AOL in many ways
| 740 |
Girth Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:51:12am |
re: #724 kragar (proud to be kafir)
If aliens ever decide to purge us before we infect the rest of the galaxy, Facebook pages will be exhibit A.
You think too highly of us. We're insignificant and the Vogons will demolish the planet in order to build a hyperspace bypass.
| 741 |
stevemcg Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:51:21am |
re: #736 commadore183
Another unexpected result is that German soldiers didn't want to stay at home very long if they got leave.
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:51:46am |
re: #735 Gus 802
It's a free country dude and I can leave or not leave things "at that" as I please. Now if you don't mind go find someone else to pester.
The discussion of our tactics during WWII makes many uncomfortable.
Not me.
:)
| 743 |
Bear Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:52:18am |
I saw the results of the fire bombing raids on Yokohama and Tokyo since I was in an infantry division that landed at Yokohama Sept. 9 1945. And was in that area for a year.
| 744 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:52:49am |
re: #734 Winny Spencer
Exactly.
My friends were at the Game Developer's Conference (last..week? I think?) and were witnessing the strife between the Facebook-ey social network game developers and core game developers, apparently there is a LOT OF IT
| 745 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:52:56am |
re: #671 Killgore Trout
Having checked CD's history further, there are some harsh words for Israel, but not out of the usual lefty line. But then there's this:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
One would think that a deranged antisemite that would make a comment with a meaning such as you imply would be a fan of Helen, not the other way around.
| 746 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:53:58am |
re: #745 Sergey Romanov
anyone else besides me think the weird badge system for earning more status on HuffPo is creepy?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:54:03am |
re: #715 kragar (proud to be kafir)
Japan used a lot more wood in their construction, so fire bombing was a lot more effective.
This is a ridiculously terrible thing to bring up in the context of this whole discussion, but there was a guy who brought an idea to the Army during the war that involved dropping bats with bombs strapped to them over Japan. The idea was that the bats would take shelter in buildings, and then detonate.
The Army was nuts enough to give this a try. The problem turned to be that bats lose their wings if you drop them out of a flying plane.
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Gus Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:54:57am |
re: #742 Varek Raith
The discussion of our tactics during WWII makes many uncomfortable.
Not me.
:)
Don't want to talk about things that make me uncomfortable. Plus, it cuold bring about some bad karma if we discuss "our" atrocities.
I promise not to bring up Unit 731 and how the Americans basically swept it under the rug in order to harvest the data gathered there for their own chemical and biological warfare endeavors.
//
| 749 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:56:08am |
re: #746 WindUpBird
anyone else besides me think the weird badge system for earning more status on HuffPo is creepy?
Meh?
;)
| 750 |
Ziggy Standard Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:56:25am |
re: #714 bratwurst
I liked how he made out after his overdue banning that he had been involved in a long term clandestine effort to undermine LGF. Talk about delusions of grandeur!
Oh yes. And he has a vast network of informers as well...lol
He's completely and utterly frooty loops - only on the stalker blog could he find an audience dumb enough and gullible enough to believe his schtick, or nasty enough to want to believe it.
| 751 |
stevemcg Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:57:28am |
re: #747 SanFranciscoZionist
This is a ridiculously terrible thing to bring up in the context of this whole discussion, but there was a guy who brought an idea to the Army during the war that involved dropping bats with bombs strapped to them over Japan. The idea was that the bats would take shelter in buildings, and then detonate.
The Army was nuts enough to give this a try. The problem turned to be that bats lose their wings if you drop them out of a flying plane.
It was tried and it worked on an experimental basis. There was another reason that it wasn't used in combat, but I just can't remember it right now. It might have something to do with some of the bats flying away from the mock village and flying onto a nearby base. The Army may have feared some incindiery bats getting loose on Tinian. BTW the bats were encased in canisters that opened before hitting the ground.
| 752 |
BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:57:53am |
re: #708 publicityStunted
That collage of pearl-harbor-payback comments shows that victim-blaming goes well beyond rape. It's like the Internet has given us a window into how utterly ghoulish, hypocritical and downright delusional the "just world" hypothesis can be.
I think victim-blaming is always a tactic employed by the powerful to excuse or justify the exploitation of the other. Any oppressed other at all will do.
| 753 |
Bear Sat, Mar 12, 2011 11:57:56am |
Bats for fire bombing! Then there was the try to set forest fires using balloons carried from Japan to the West Coast.
| 754 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:00:00pm |
re: #745 Sergey Romanov
What else can we expect from the "heroes" of the Mavi Marmara?”
Listen, I'm not really interested in debating how big of a douchebag this guy is or is not.
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:00:39pm |
Quake moved Japan coast 8 feet; shifted Earth's axis
(CNN) -- The powerful earthquake that unleashed a devastating tsunami Friday appears to have moved the main island of Japan by 8 feet (2.4 meters) and shifted the Earth on its axis."At this point, we know that one GPS station moved (8 feet), and we have seen a map from GSI (Geospatial Information Authority) in Japan showing the pattern of shift over a large area is consistent with about that much shift of the land mass," said Kenneth Hudnut, a geophysicist with the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS).
Reports from the National Institute of Geophysics and Volcanology in Italy estimated the 8.9-magnitude quake shifted the planet on its axis by nearly 4 inches (10 centimeters).
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:01:05pm |
re: #754 Killgore Trout
What else can we expect from the "heroes" of the Mavi Marmara?”
Listen, I'm not really interested in debating how big of a douchebag this guy is or is not.
As long as you don't ascribe to him antisemitic conspiracy theories.
| 757 |
Ziggy Standard Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:02:31pm |
Richard Dawkins interviewed on 'RevelationTV' :
[Link: richarddawkins.net...]
| 759 |
General Nimrod Bodfish Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:06:21pm |
Some news from Japan (BBC News' live updates):
#
1958: More on power supply problems: Tokyo Electric Power Company, one of Japan's major suppliers, has suggested it could carry out intentional power outages on a rotating basis to tackle the problem, Kyodo reports
| 760 |
Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:06:38pm |
re: #437 Dark_Falcon
We don't have any long-range AAMs anymore, Naso. We lost those when the F-14 was retired. And you couldn't take out 10 tanks with one missile unless they were all in a building. They aren't designed to hit moving targets on land.
Sorry to play wet blanket, but I need to let you know what our capabilities really are.
On missiles, I am not the expert although I'm pretty sure the Raptors do what the F-14 do, and ditto F-15s.
On the tanks, one waits 'till they stop for lunch and afternoon siesta, and one cruise missile with anti armor cluster munitions could take out 50 tanks if they are reasonably close.
| 761 |
Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:08:19pm |
re: #760 Naso Tang
On missiles, I am not the expert although I'm pretty sure the Raptors do what the F-14 do, and ditto F-15s.
On the tanks, one waits 'till they stop for lunch and afternoon siesta, and one cruise missile with anti armor cluster munitions could take out 50 tanks if they are reasonably close.
By long range aams, he's referring to the AIM-54 Phoenix.
| 762 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:08:46pm |
re: #729 bratwurst
The same technology that helped to topple Arab dictators is also used to propagate that kind of ignorant nonsense. I'm sure there's a lesson in there somewhere.
People is people. We are capable of greatness, and we are capable of evil, and we are capable of being really dumb. Facebook just lets us tell each other about it faster.
| 763 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:08:47pm |
re: #755 Varek Raith
Maybe that will fix the climate?
/
| 764 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:10:03pm |
re: #732 WindUpBird
Yeah, facebook sorta is the awful truth unveiled, right down to the fact that everyone is hypnotized by social networking games that they keep tossing money at
Angry, stupid, and easily distracted by shiny things!
| 765 |
bratwurst Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:10:09pm |
re: #762 SanFranciscoZionist
People is people. We are capable of greatness, and we are capable of evil, and we are capable of being really dumb. Facebook just lets us tell each other about it faster.
I knew I could count on you! :)
| 767 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:12:53pm |
| 768 |
Gus Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:13:17pm |
re: #761 Varek Raith
By long range aams, he's referring to the AIM-54 Phoenix.
Yep. Quack!
* The Gulf of Sidra incident (1981), in which American F-14s shot down 2 Libyan Su-22s, is sometimes thought to have involved AIM-54s. However, the engagement was conducted at short ranges using the AIM-9 Sidewinder.[7] The other U.S. F-14 fighter to fighter engagement, the Gulf of Sidra incident (1989), used AIM-7 Sparrow and Sidewinder missiles, but not the Phoenix.[8]
* In training, the Phoenix hit a target drone at a range of 212 km (in January 1979, in Iran).[citation needed]
* On January 5, 1999, a pair of U.S. F-14s fired two AIM-54 at Iraqi MiG-25s southeast of Baghdad. Both AIM-54s' rocket motors failed and neither missile hit its target.[9][10]
* On September 9, 1999 another U.S. F-14 launched an AIM-54 at an Iraqi MiG-23 that was heading south into the No-Fly Zone from Al Taqaddum air base west of Baghdad. The missile missed, eventually going into the ground after the Iraqi fighter reversed course and sped back north.[11]
Missed, missed, missed, motor failed...
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:13:36pm |
re: #751 stevemcg
It was tried and it worked on an experimental basis. There was another reason that it wasn't used in combat, but I just can't remember it right now. It might have something to do with some of the bats flying away from the mock village and flying onto a nearby base. The Army may have feared some incindiery bats getting loose on Tinian. BTW the bats were encased in canisters that opened before hitting the ground.
Got it. The wings-lost-in-slipstream might have been an earlier attempt. I'm basing this on an article I read in high school.
I'm now trying to imagine being the engineer who got told that his job was to design a canister you could fit an explosive bat into and drop from a plane.
| 770 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:13:57pm |
re: #752 iceweasel
I think victim-blaming is always a tactic employed by the powerful to excuse or justify the exploitation of the other. Any oppressed other at all will do.
And by the rest of us to explain why our good luck so far HAS to hold.
| 771 |
austin_blue Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:16:31pm |
re: #760 Naso Tang
On missiles, I am not the expert although I'm pretty sure the Raptors do what the F-14 do, and ditto F-15s.
On the tanks, one waits 'till they stop for lunch and afternoon siesta, and one cruise missile with anti armor cluster munitions could take out 50 tanks if they are reasonably close.
You ate thinking of this:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
(also called a Smart Pig)
carrying this:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
| 773 |
BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:17:29pm |
re: #770 SanFranciscoZionist
And by the rest of us to explain why our good luck so far HAS to hold.
Yes, exactly-- it's a calvinistic or puritan heritage issue. The good are blessed by providence, those who are poor or ill or unlucky deserve to be.
| 774 |
austin_blue Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:17:46pm |
re: #771 austin_blue
You aRe thinking of this:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
(also called a Smart Pig)
carrying this:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
| 779 |
Ziggy Standard Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:21:49pm |
re: #744 WindUpBird
My friends were at the Game Developer's Conference (last..week? I think?) and were witnessing the strife between the Facebook-ey social network game developers and core game developers, apparently there is a LOT OF IT
Speaking of games:
W00T!
That's a seriously Wagnerian score btw. Liking it!
| 782 |
General Nimrod Bodfish Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:23:12pm |
#
2022: Reuters: The IAEA says it has been told by Japan that levels of radioactivity near the Fukushima No. 1 plant have fallen in recent hours
| 783 |
Gus Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:23:39pm |
re: #781 Varek Raith
The hell...?
Right. Some screed by some right wing radio nut at Human Events no less. Sheesh.
| 784 |
Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:24:14pm |
re: #782 commadore183
Weren't they going to flood the reactor with sea water and boric acid?
| 785 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:25:08pm |
re: #746 WindUpBird
anyone else besides me think the weird badge system for earning more status on HuffPo is creepy?
gag me...status is for the insecure
fuck that
| 786 |
TedStriker Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:25:29pm |
re: #714 bratwurst
I liked how he made out after his overdue banning that he had been involved in a long term clandestine effort to undermine LGF. Talk about delusions of grandeur!
Sort of how Barrett Brown was claiming some sort of collaboration with Charles just before his Lizard time expired...the boy was/is seriously delusional, as evidenced by his public/media representation for Anon, such as it is.
| 787 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:25:33pm |
re: #783 Gus 802
Right. Some screed by some right wing radio nut at Human Events no less. Sheesh.
And with the most inflammatory headline choice at that.
| 788 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:25:56pm |
re: #787 Sergey Romanov
"We're being oppressed!"
| 789 |
General Nimrod Bodfish Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:26:21pm |
re: #784 Varek Raith
Yeah, from what I read, they started flooding it, but another earthquake/aftershock forced them to stop. It would have taken between 5 to 10 hours to completely fill the reactor core, then would have to be cooled for about 10 days or something like that.
| 790 |
Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:26:39pm |
| 791 |
Gus Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:26:43pm |
re: #787 Sergey Romanov
And with the most inflammatory headline choice at that.
And ths bullshit from the "article":
If we can mandate voter registration at the local Department of Motor Vehicles (making it a whole lot easier for illegals to vote), why not mandate military recruiters at every high school graduation in Compton, Stockton, and Detroit? With recruitment brochures in 26 languages, of course. Why not set up recruitment offices within welfare offices and in unemployment offices?
| 792 |
General Nimrod Bodfish Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:27:17pm |
Some good news from Fukushima I:
#
2023: Reuters: The IAEA says the operator of the plant has confirmed that the primary containment vessel is intact following this morning's blast.
| 793 |
BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:27:57pm |
re: #785 albusteve
gag me...status is for the insecure
fuck that
hello albusteve! here's something for you":
| 794 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:29:12pm |
re: #791 Gus 802
And ths bullshit from the "article":
Kinda self-contradictory. He probably thinks minorities are lazy anyway, so why would he want them in the army?
| 795 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:29:47pm |
| 796 |
Gus Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:30:25pm |
re: #794 Sergey Romanov
Kinda self-contradictory. He probably thinks minorities are lazy anyway, so why would he want them in the army?
I think that's his attempt at sarcasm. So, he reaches for the internalized bigotry. Or something.
| 797 |
goddamnedfrank Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:30:45pm |
re: #747 SanFranciscoZionist
This is a ridiculously terrible thing to bring up in the context of this whole discussion, but there was a guy who brought an idea to the Army during the war that involved dropping bats with bombs strapped to them over Japan. The idea was that the bats would take shelter in buildings, and then detonate.
The Army was nuts enough to give this a try. The problem turned to be that bats lose their wings if you drop them out of a flying plane.
It actually was a workable idea, the bat bomb dropped via parachute and little trays containing the incendiary laden bats dropped open and they flew off in search of hiding spots. The reason we didn't use it is that the atomic bomb became operational first. Armed bats did set an army base on fire and destroyed a test range though.
| 798 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:31:47pm |
re: #783 Gus 802
Right. Some screed by some right wing radio nut at Human Events no less. Sheesh.
I repeat:
1. I don't think this is a matter of singling out the military, but of Congress examining the military.
2. I don't think the issue is that white men should stop joining, but that we should look at why white men seem to get promoted in much greater numbers.
3. The racism of the concluding paragraphs of this article--pretty disgusting.
4. His basic premise, that white men volunteer for the military disproportionately is demonstrably false.
| 799 |
Gus Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:32:30pm |
re: #798 SanFranciscoZionist
I repeat:
1. I don't think this is a matter of singling out the military, but of Congress examining the military.
2. I don't think the issue is that white men should stop joining, but that we should look at why white men seem to get promoted in much greater numbers.
3. The racism of the concluding paragraphs of this article--pretty disgusting.
4. His basic premise, that white men volunteer for the military disproportionately is demonstrably false.
Right on.
| 800 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:32:33pm |
re: #791 Gus 802
And ths bullshit from the "article":
Even with falling numbers, black men are proportionately overrepresented in the Army. FAIL.
| 801 |
BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:32:52pm |
re: #797 goddamnedfrank
It actually was a workable idea, the bat bomb dropped via parachute and little trays containing the incendiary laden bats dropped open and they flew off in search of hiding spots. The reason we didn't use it is that the atomic bomb became operational first. Armed bats did set an army base on fire and destroyed a test range though.
Amazing. Wow.
The CIA once tried to use cats as spies and that didn't work out too well either:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
| 802 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:33:00pm |
re: #793 iceweasel
hello albusteve! here's something for you":
[Video]
well, and one of my very favorite songs too...you have me pinned! LOL
thanks and hope all is well
| 803 |
Gus Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:33:44pm |
re: #800 SanFranciscoZionist
Even with falling numbers, black men are proportionately overrepresented in the Army. FAIL.
That might be outside of Mr. Hedgecock's ability. Considering that proportions requires some form of mathematical thinking.
| 804 |
Varek Raith Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:34:09pm |
re: #801 iceweasel
Amazing. Wow.
The CIA once tried to use cats as spies and that didn't work out too well either:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
That's more hilarious than the gay bomb...
XD
| 805 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:34:15pm |
re: #801 iceweasel
Amazing. Wow.
The CIA once tried to use cats as spies and that didn't work out too well either:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
That is some fail... Poor pooties.
| 806 |
BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:34:16pm |
re: #802 albusteve
well, and one of my very favorite songs too...you have me pinned! LOL
thanks and hope all is well
We're good, I hope you are too!
| 807 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:36:00pm |
From wiki about this Somethingcock:
In 1985 he was forced from office, after a second trial found him guilty of one count of conspiracy and twelve counts of perjury, related to the alleged failure to report all campaign contributions. His first trial had ended in a mistrial due to a hung jury. "Within days of the Oct. 9 guilty verdict, two of the 12 jurors in Hedgecock's case alleged in sworn statements that Burroughs [the jury bailiff] provided jurors with alcohol, told them stories, guided deliberations and pressured the jury to reach a quick verdict," and even expressed his opinion that the defendant was guilty. State prosecutors then conducted an investigation into the possibility of criminal jury tampering, but they refused to release the transcripts of their investigation interviews to the defendant's attorneys.[2]
| 808 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:36:46pm |
re: #803 Gus 802
That might be outside of Mr. Hedgecock's ability. Considering that proportions requires some form of mathematical thinking.
I'm also not sure that folks who write like this understand what the actual percentages of black Americans are. They tend to act as though there are equal numbers.
The numbers are also an interesting phenomenon since I've been told that more black soldiers than white, once again, proportionately, tend to see the army as a long-term career.
| 809 |
General Nimrod Bodfish Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:37:23pm |
re: #801 iceweasel
Amazing. Wow.
The CIA once tried to use cats as spies and that didn't work out too well either:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
LOL
| 810 |
William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:37:25pm |
#801 iceweasel
Amazing. Wow.
The CIA once tried to use cats as spies and that didn't work out too well either:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Why that darn cat.
//Disney ;)
| 811 |
Feline Fearless Leader Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:38:02pm |
re: #801 iceweasel
Amazing. Wow.
The CIA once tried to use cats as spies and that didn't work out too well either:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
And the Russians had anti-tank dogs...
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
| 812 |
albusteve Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:39:28pm |
re: #806 iceweasel
We're good, I hope you are too!
working hard to get healthy again...my misfortune has made me kinder and gentler so I'm not so confrontational now...the nuts and mean assed posters just flow by in a litany of words
| 813 |
BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:40:47pm |
re: #812 albusteve
working hard to get healthy again...my misfortune has made me kinder and gentler so I'm not so confrontational now...the nuts and mean assed posters just flow by in a litany of words
Good. Best wishes for your continued recovery and health-- Jimmah sends his too.
| 814 |
austin_blue Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:41:00pm |
| 816 |
Ziggy Standard Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:42:10pm |
re: #773 iceweasel
Yes, exactly-- it's a calvinistic or puritan heritage issue. The good are blessed by providence, those who are poor or ill or unlucky deserve to be.
And those who are deemed as 'the elect' can do anything they want, with Jesus's full blessing. Justified Sinners!
Now, when you know, as you do (and as every one of the elect may know of himself) that this Saviour died for you, namely and particularly, dare you say that there is not enough of merit in His great atonement to annihilate all your sins, let them be as heinous and atrocious as they may?
Read more: [Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]
| 819 |
wrenchwench Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:49:53pm |
re: #818 Sergey Romanov
Gotta use these: [] instead of these: (you know, the ones that won't show up: ">" and his backwards brother.)
I know, I couldn't believe it myself until I tried it.
| 820 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:51:03pm |
re: #819 wrenchwench
Gotta use these: [] instead of these: (you know, the ones that won't show up: ">" and his backwards brother.)
I know, I couldn't believe it myself until I tried it.
I know, I tried something entirely else ;)
BTW to type these brackets use:
& gt;
& lt;
without spaces.
| 821 |
engineer cat Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:51:27pm |
re: #808 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm also not sure that folks who write like this understand what the actual percentages of black Americans are. They tend to act as though there are equal numbers.
The numbers are also an interesting phenomenon since I've been told that more black soldiers than white, once again, proportionately, tend to see the army as a long-term career.
as of 2007:
Despite the sharp decline in enlistments, the percentage of blacks in the military still slightly exceeds that of the general population: 14.5 percent in the military, as of 2005, versus 12.8 percent in the US population
[Link: www.boston.com...]
| 822 |
wrenchwench Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:54:24pm |
re: #820 Sergey Romanov
I know, I tried something entirely else ;)
BTW to type these brackets use:
& gt;
& lt;without spaces.
>
<
Thanks!
| 823 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:55:35pm |
re: #822 wrenchwench
You're welcome! There are all kinds of things you can display with these codes, look the table up. E.g. umlauts:
& auml;
ä
| 824 |
wrenchwench Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:58:20pm |
re: #823 Sergey Romanov
You're welcome! There are all kinds of things you can display with these codes, look the table up. E.g. umlauts:
& auml;
ä
That's the first one I learned from my brother the translator in Germany. Here's the second one: ü
Apparently it didn't lead to the ability to look up more of them. :(
| 825 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:59:21pm |
re: #824 wrenchwench
That's the first one I learned from my brother the translator in Germany. Here's the second one: ü
Apparently it didn't lead to the ability to look up more of them. :(
[Link: code.google.com...]
| 826 |
wrenchwench Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:00:13pm |
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