Nuclear Meltdown Averted at Japan Plant

Japan dodges a nuclear bullet
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The good news is that a major meltdown has apparently been averted at the Fukushima power plant in northern Japan, after the reactor was flooded with seawater. Also good news: the explosion that was seen yesterday was not inside the reactor itself.

TOKYO — Japanese officials took the extraordinary step on Saturday of flooding a nuclear reactor with seawater in a last-ditch effort to avoid a nuclear meltdown, after an explosion there escalated the emergency caused by the huge earthquake and tsunami that destroyed parts of the country’s northeastern coast on Friday.

Officials said late Saturday that leaks of radioactive material from the plant, in northern Japan, were receding and that a major meltdown was no longer imminent. But the government doubled its evacuation radius around the plant to 12 miles, and the worries about radiation and chaos from tens of thousands of people fleeing the area hampered efforts to search for survivors and forced Japan’s leadership to grapple with two major crises at once.

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216 comments
1 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:37:31pm

Yaaaaay!!!

2 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:41:53pm

Yay!

3 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:42:22pm

this news from Japan makes me want to just weep...the Plates are angry

4 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:44:24pm

Right there with you, Steve.

A brutal body blow.

5 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:44:41pm

BBC News:

#
2039: Ian Hore-Lacy of the World Nuclear Association told the BBC he believes the situation at the nuclear power plant - where sea water is being used to cool the reactor core - is under control: "The point is that the heat, decay heat from the fuel drops off very rapidly. So after an hour, an hour following the shut down, it's down to about 2 or 3% I think. And after 24 hours it's down to half a per cent. So the amount of heat you've got to cope with right now is a small fraction of what there was initially."

If so, it does look like the worse is over, for now at least. I did read that they had to stop flooding the reactor core because of an aftershock not far from the plant, but I guess they're back to the flooding now. It's going to take between 5-10 hours to fill the reactor and it will have to be cooled by the sea water for about 10 days or so, which by that time, I guess, they will have the cooling pumps fixed and more coolant shipped there.

6 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:45:18pm
#
2042: Reuters: The IAEA says it has been told by Japan that 140,000 people have been evacuated from areas around two nuclear plants
7 recusancy  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:45:37pm

Are the plates angry because somewhere two gays are getting married?

8 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:46:24pm

Next we'll hear that a small crab mixed in with the seawater has mutated into a giant monster and is headed for Tokyo -- since all monsters go there.

9 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:47:02pm

re: #7 recusancy

Are the plates angry because somewhere two gays are getting married?

The whales got their earthquake machine completed and are going after the remaining whaling fleets...

10 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:47:27pm

re: #8 oaktree

Next we'll hear that a small crab mixed in with the seawater has mutated into a giant monster and is headed for Tokyo -- since all monsters go there.

Let's call it Mozilla.

11 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:47:30pm

re: #8 oaktree

Next we'll hear that a small crab mixed in with the seawater has mutated into a giant monster and is headed for Tokyo -- since all monsters go there.

12 Randall Gross  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:48:25pm

This will make for a big salvage job, or a total write off for one reactor, I"m not sure which. The sad thing is that this plant is very old style, and newer plants would not have had this problem --e.g. the new Westinghouse AP 1000 reactors use passive systems if power fails.

13 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:48:26pm

All the superior construction in Japan, for example, as compared to Haiti?

So; They get a Tsunami.

Big earthquake gonna find a way to mess you up.

14 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:48:26pm

re: #4 austin_blue

Right there with you, Steve.

A brutal body blow.

on a positive note, the Japanese will get down to business and recover, they have all the tools and skills and willpower...still, I wish I could help

15 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:48:52pm

re: #10 Sergey Romanov

Let's call it Mozilla.

Or get it a medical degree and name it Zoidberg. :)

16 Interesting Times  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:50:41pm

re: #8 oaktree

Next we'll hear that a small crab mixed in with the seawater has mutated into a giant monster and is headed for Tokyo -- since all monsters go there.

Or perhaps one of these...

17 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:51:18pm

Now all they have to figure out is what to do with a million gallons of seawater that glows in the dark.

Since reactors normally use ultra-pure water as coolant, that unit is going to be down for *long* time. Saltwater is corrosive and will play holy hell with both the core and the piping.

Still, a very positive result given that the alternative was the core imitating a glowing gopher!

18 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:52:47pm

There are better ways to generate electricity than with a machine the core of which is deadly poison generating heat, and which has no off switch.

19 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:53:55pm

re: #16 publicityStunted

Or perhaps one of these...

My best is if the giant isopod gets loose the Japanese Defense Force will modify a large mobile crane into a giant shell cracker and make a gallant attack. Of course, this is after a conventional attack with tanks, rocket launchers, and jets firing rockets fails. We must follow the script...

20 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:54:54pm

re: #18 Ojoe

There are better ways to generate electricity than with a machine the core of which is deadly poison generating heat, and which has no off switch.

yeah, just tweek the engineering and presto!...
[Link: www.hyperionpowergeneration.com...]

21 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:55:05pm

re: #5 commadore183

The decay heat drops off if you can push the control rods in; no telling if the earthquake interfered with that ability.

22 Randall Gross  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:55:20pm

I was just reading that the coastline actually moved 8', that's amazing.

23 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:55:22pm

re: #19 oaktree

My best is if the giant isopod gets loose the Japanese Defense Force will modify a large mobile crane into a giant shell cracker and make a gallant attack. Of course, this is after a conventional attack with tanks, rocket launchers, and jets firing rockets fails. We must follow the script...

Naplam tanks are easily modified for drawn butter.

24 Querent  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:56:16pm

re: #23 Decatur Deb

Naplam tanks are easily modified for drawn butter.

And you thought lutefisk was bad...

25 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:56:22pm

re: #18 Ojoe

There are better ways to generate electricity than with a machine the core of which is deadly poison generating heat, and which has no off switch.

Tell the Navy to get those reactors out of those subs and carriers and return to the good old days of coal-fired boilers!

Ojoe, this was a second-gen reactor which was built in 1972. They are *lot* safer now.

26 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:56:53pm

re: #23 Decatur Deb

Naplam tanks are easily modified for drawn butter.

No, I'm just seeing one guy who joined the Defense Force to get money for sushi chef school--standing alone in the monster's path, with two kitchen knives raised over his head...

27 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:56:58pm

re: #22 Thanos

I was just reading that the coastline actually moved 8', that's amazing.

no shit...what effect, if any, could that have on the weather?

28 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:57:16pm

re: #19 oaktree

My best is if the giant isopod gets loose the Japanese Defense Force will modify a large mobile crane into a giant shell cracker and make a gallant attack. Of course, this is after a conventional attack with tanks, rocket launchers, and jets firing rockets fails. We must follow the script...

Roll out the Maser Cannon!

29 Randall Gross  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:57:17pm

re: #18 Ojoe

Would that be like the oil refinery that actually killed people when it caught fire, like the coal plants probably powering your home that kill 30-40k per year worldwide, or would that be like the naturally gas that caused fires that actually killed people in Japan?

30 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:57:23pm

re: #24 Querent

And you thought lutefisk was bad...

We have family testimony from Reine that they taste like lobster.

31 Randall Gross  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:58:24pm

Or maybe it's like that Dam that's about to break, and you know, actually kill people.

32 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:58:26pm

It looks like we got lucky. this could have been much much worse.

33 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:58:41pm

re: #30 Decatur Deb

We have family testimony from Reine that they taste like lobster.

in Loozianna, everything from the swamp tastes like lobster

34 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:58:42pm

re: #26 SanFranciscoZionist

No, I'm just seeing one guy who joined the Defense Force to get money for sushi chef school--standing alone in the monster's path, with two kitchen knives raised over his head...

Get a big enough roll of seaweed and they can go for the Guiness Record...

35 engineer cat  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:59:15pm

re: #30 Decatur Deb

We have family testimony from Reine that they taste like lobster.

everything tastes like lobster if you've drunk enough glögg

36 Querent  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 12:59:30pm

re: #30 Decatur Deb

We have family testimony from Reine that they taste like lobster.


They do.

And the more aquavit you've had, the more like lobster they taste!

37 Querent  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:00:06pm

re: #26 SanFranciscoZionist

No, I'm just seeing one guy who joined the Defense Force to get money for sushi chef school--standing alone in the monster's path, with two kitchen knives raised over his head...

Iron Chef vs. Dai-Kani-Sama...

38 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:01:15pm

re: #11 commadore183

[Video]

History shows again and again how Nature points out the folly of men?

39 dragonfire1981  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:01:38pm

I wonder if the Japanese response will be more efficient than the response if say a tsunami damaged a large swath of southern California.

40 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:01:43pm

Reine's second stained (clear) glass project:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

41 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:01:49pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

It looks like we got lucky. this could have been much much worse.

it will be us next...bet me
moving the crust 8 feet has to be made up somewhere, all the Plates react to each other

42 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:02:18pm

re: #40 Sergey Romanov

Reine's second stained (clear) glass project:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Oooh, pretty.

43 Interesting Times  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:04:35pm

re: #41 albusteve

it will be us next...bet me
moving the crust 8 feet has to be made up somewhere, all the Plates react to each other

And they're impacted by the lost weight from melting glaciers as well:

[Link: www.nasa.gov...]

Buckle up!

44 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:04:59pm

I love that wavy exterior glass. Well done, Dear Queen!

45 justaminute  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:05:16pm

About 5 minutes ago CNN reported some residents located near the reactor tested positive for radiation exposure.

46 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:05:21pm

re: #39 dragonfire1981

I wonder if the Japanese response will be more efficient than the response if say a tsunami damaged a large swath of southern California.

I'm betting that the Japanese don't have to listen to native Bible-thumpers screaming that this is due to their "wicked, sinful ways," nor a Know-Nothing movement saying that cleaning up after all this is not the duty of the national government.

47 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:05:53pm

re: #40 Sergey Romanov

(What I like about such pages - these and KT's - is that they make LGF more personal.)

48 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:06:06pm

re: #12 Thanos

This will make for a big salvage job, or a total write off for one reactor, I"m not sure which. The sad thing is that this plant is very old style, and newer plants would not have had this problem --e.g. the new Westinghouse AP 1000 reactors use passive systems if power fails.

Total write off, fuel recovery and entombment. You can't flood a reactor vessel with salt water and expect to ever use it again, the metal parts inside will start corroding immediately. That reactor is a done deal.

49 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:07:11pm

re: #46 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'm betting that the Japanese don't have to listen to native Bible-thumpers screaming that this is due to their "wicked, sinful ways," nor a Know-Nothing movement saying that cleaning up after all this is not the duty of the national government.

They lean to the Noh-Nothing movement.

50 Randall Gross  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:07:30pm

re: #48 goddamnedfrank

I think you are probably right, there's no way I can see it getting re-certed with the stringent controls on Nuclear plants.

51 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:08:52pm

re: #47 Sergey Romanov

(What I like about such pages - these and KT's - is that they make LGF more personal.)

I've been dragging my feet on doing some gardening pages or maybe some cooking stuff. I'll get around to it eventually (I suppose)

52 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:08:57pm

re: #48 goddamnedfrank

From what I read, the company was going to shut off that reactor on the 26th of this month. I'll see if I can find a source as I got that from Wikipedia.

53 dragonfire1981  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:09:18pm

OT: I am out for lunch. I am not going to say which state but a couple of guys three tables over are wearing Nathan Bedford forest t shirts

54 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:10:05pm

re: #53 dragonfire1981

OT: I am out for lunch. I am not going to say which state but a couple of guys three tables over are wearing Nathan Bedford forest t shirts

Try the catfish.

55 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:10:25pm

re: #49 Decatur Deb

They lean to the Noh-Nothing movement.

However, that group makes relatively silent and minimalist protests.

56 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:10:30pm

re: #53 dragonfire1981

OT: I am out for lunch. I am not going to say which state but a couple of guys three tables over are wearing Nathan Bedford forest t shirts

Nathan is a neophyte compared with Che

57 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:10:34pm

re: #49 Decatur Deb

They lean to the Noh-Nothing movement.

Clever boots!

Off to the neighborhood Library. Just finished Gibson's "Zero History".

Good grief the man can write a cracking good book.

BBIAB

58 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:10:40pm

Gardenia Cat is nice too.

59 The Yankee  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:11:20pm

Was Homer Simpson transfer over to Japan recently?

All joking aside while I believe the civilians are safe the worker are problem going to have major health problems. Must be hard to do that kind of work knowing you will probably die from it.

60 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:12:04pm

re: #53 dragonfire1981

OT: I am out for lunch. I am not going to say which state but a couple of guys three tables over are wearing Nathan Bedford forest t shirts

Ask them how was their tour of Fort Pillow.

61 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:12:25pm

Not about the Fukushima I, but noteworthy nonetheless

#
2109: PacificFleet tweets: "USS Ronald Reagan arrived off coast of Japan, expected to provide refuelling support to Japan SDF helos conducting relief ops."
62 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:12:27pm

re: #53 dragonfire1981

OT: I am out for lunch. I am not going to say which state but a couple of guys three tables over are wearing Nathan Bedford forest t shirts

Holy shit, you're in the Crepevine on Church St. too?

///On closer inspection, the guys here are wearing Che, not Forrest. Carry on.

63 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:14:08pm

re: #59 The Yankee

Was Homer Simpson transfer over to Japan recently?

All joking aside while I believe the civilians are safe the worker are problem going to have major health problems. Must be hard to do that kind of work knowing you will probably die from it.

The story of some of the Russian workers that contained Chernobyl shows the way for them.

64 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:14:09pm

re: #61 commadore183

Not about the Fukushima I, but noteworthy nonetheless

Couldn't they also plug the USS Reagan into the Japanese power grid if necessary to provide extra juice?

65 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:14:15pm

If The Shining was made today....

66 justaminute  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:15:24pm

I wonder what they will do with the seawater that was pumped into the facility? Won't the water be highly radioactive now?

67 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:15:33pm

re: #52 commadore183

From what I read, the company was going to shut off that reactor on the 26th of this month. I'll see if I can find a source as I got that from Wikipedia.

information about unit FUKUSHIMA DAIICHI-1

68 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:15:40pm

The Wall Street Journal version:
[Link: online.wsj.com...]

69 Randall Gross  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:17:51pm

re: #66 justaminute

No, it will have some trace radioactivity. The contaiment unit is unbreached, the ionizing radiation is inside it. You will get mostly non ionizing stuff like tritium etc. (in Layman's terms, non -ionizing radiation won't penetrate your skin.)

70 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:18:53pm

re: #66 justaminute

I wonder what they will do with the seawater that was pumped into the facility? Won't the water be highly radioactive now?

I don't know for sure but I don't think so. The rods are usually submerged in another liquid (Heavy water?) which is cooled by seawater (or river water). The cooling liquid isn't in Direct contact with the nuclear material.

71 Randall Gross  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:19:13pm

re: #67 commadore183

information about unit FUKUSHIMA DAIICHI-1

That's not so bad then - it was slated for decom anyway.

72 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:19:23pm

re: #65 Killgore Trout

Oooh, this is good too:

Mrs. Doubtfire (the thriller cut):

73 iceweasel  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:20:06pm

re: #65 Killgore Trout

If The Shining was made today...

[Video]


i LOVE IT.

Everyone's probably seen this one:

Brokeback to the future:

74 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:20:07pm

re: #69 Thanos

No, it will have some trace radioactivity. The contaiment unit is unbreached, the ionizing radiation is inside it. You will get mostly non ionizing stuff like tritium etc. (in Layman's terms, non -ionizing radiation won't penetrate your skin.)

At most, it'll have to be held somewhere for a few weeks or months, to allow the trace radiation and short-lived isotopes to burn out.

75 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:22:04pm

re: #65 Killgore Trout

re: #72 Sergey Romanov

re: #73 iceweasel

Rats--I can't use speakers here.

76 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:23:05pm

re: #72 Sergey Romanov

Good one.

77 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:24:14pm

re: #25 austin_blue

Tell the Navy to get those reactors out of those subs and carriers and return to the good old days of coal-fired boilers!

Ojoe, this was a second-gen reactor which was built in 1972. They are *lot* safer now.

The Germans are building perfectly viable hydrogen-cell powered submarines these days...better keep them on our side.

78 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:26:27pm

re: #49 Decatur Deb

They lean to the Noh-Nothing movement.

There is the famous caroon showing a Japanese host, turning to foreign guest with puzzled expression at the end of a traditional Japanese drama:

"Just which part of Noh did you not understand?"

79 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:27:00pm

Looks like another problem on TEPCO's hands:

#
2123: Reuters: The emergency cooling system is no longer functioning at the Fukushima No. 3 reactor, an official from Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency has told journalists.
80 Jimmah  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:27:39pm

re: #72 Sergey Romanov

Oooh, this is good too:

Mrs. Doubtfire (the thriller cut):


[Video]

Heh. One of my faves - Scary Poppins:

81 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:27:53pm

I still think the chef with the knives fighting off the mutant crab should be Martin Yan. He would really cut that crab down to size.

82 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:29:05pm

re: #64 oaktree

That would be nice, but I do not know if it is possible.

83 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:29:40pm

re: #8 oaktree

Next we'll hear that a small crab mixed in with the seawater has mutated into a giant monster and is headed for Tokyo -- since all monsters go there.

It's why you can't get insurance in Tokyo. /

84 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:29:51pm

re: #81 PhillyPretzel

I still think the chef with the knives fighting off the mutant crab should be Martin Yan. He would really cut that crab down to size.

85 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:32:54pm

re: #80 Jimmah

And here's Willy Wonka as Saw predecessor:

86 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:34:38pm

re: #84 oaktree
That was cute.

87 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:34:44pm
#
2130: AFP: The US Nuclear Regulatory Commission says it has sent two experts to Japan to help assist local authorities.
88 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:35:54pm

re: #16 publicityStunted

Or perhaps one of these...

What the heck is this?

89 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:36:45pm

I just spent the last couple of hours cleaning and dusting bookshelves, the books on them and figuring out what to do with the crap that accumulated in front of the books on the shelves.

What suprised me most is the dirt that accumulated under my fingernails.

What did I miss?

90 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:37:09pm

re: #88 Romantic Heretic
Samurai Mutant Crab?

91 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:37:17pm

re: #88 Romantic Heretic

What the heck is this?

alien or predator?

I vote alien.

92 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:37:37pm

Has anyone considered the distinct possibility that Japan might be about to see a new crop of superheroes?

Faster than a speeding scooter...

More dangerous than a sushi chef making puffer fish...

Cuter than Hello Kitty and Sailor Moon put together...

93 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:38:30pm

re: #92 EmmmieG
Sounds good so far. :)

94 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:38:58pm

re: #92 EmmmieG

Has anyone considered the distinct possibility that Japan might be about to see a new crop of superheroes?

Faster than a speeding scooter...

More dangerous than a sushi chef making puffer fish...

Cuter than Hello Kitty and Sailor Moon put together...

Sadly, I'm afraid that even with all the death and destruction, they will see a round of suicides. Culture of shame and all . . . .

95 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:40:01pm

re: #89 ggt

I just spent the last couple of hours cleaning and dusting bookshelves, the books on them and figuring out what to do with the crap that accumulated in front of the books on the shelves.

What suprised me most is the dirt that accumulated under my fingernails.

What did I miss?

heh, one small window or door left open where I live can be a dust disaster...one major blow and my bunkhouse is FILLED with a heavy, gritty just...just life in New Mexico

96 Jimmah  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:40:26pm

re: #85 Sergey Romanov

And here's Willy Wonka as Saw predecessor:


[Video]

LOL. That seems totally apt to me. I had a sadistic primary school teacher one year who used to read excerpts from Willy Wonka - quite ostensibly as an exercise in terror.

97 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:41:00pm

re: #88 Romantic Heretic

What the heck is this?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Giant isopod.

98 steve_davis  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:42:26pm

re: #8 oaktree

Next we'll hear that a small crab mixed in with the seawater has mutated into a giant monster and is headed for Tokyo -- since all monsters go there.

That's because there are not stupid. There are 39 million bipedal snacks in Tokyo, with the crunchy surprise filling.

99 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:42:54pm

re: #95 albusteve

heh, one small window or door left open where I live can be a dust disaster...one major blow and my bunkhouse is FILLED with a heavy, gritty just...just life in New Mexico

Cowboy Steve!
/Hi Bro Oklahoma was burning up yesterday with grass fires..

100 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:43:22pm

re: #92 EmmmieG

Has anyone considered the distinct possibility that Japan might be about to see a new crop of superheroes?

Faster than a speeding scooter...

More dangerous than a sushi chef making puffer fish...

Cuter than Hello Kitty and Sailor Moon put together...

Heh.

And along the Noh-line I recall there being an anime that involved mechs doing Noh routines as part of some ritual.

101 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:43:35pm

re: #95 albusteve

heh, one small window or door left open where I live can be a dust disaster...one major blow and my bunkhouse is FILLED with a heavy, gritty just...just life in New Mexico

Lack of motivation, 2 dogs, 1 cat, and building construction on-going in my general vicinity, leads to lots of dust.

But, I found only dust, no dead creatures of the crunchy kind.

Makes me feel better. I'm a little paranoid about bugs--especially with the bed bug resurgence.

102 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:44:38pm

re: #99 HoosierHoops

Cowboy Steve!
/Hi Bro Oklahoma was burning up yesterday with grass fires..

just renewing the pasture lands...fire is a mind numbing disaster down here, especially in remote areas, which is most of the state

103 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:45:52pm

Now this is totally f'ed up. Look what they did to It.

104 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:46:33pm

re: #103 Sergey Romanov

Now this is totally f'ed up. Look what they did to It.


[Video]

A John Boy Warning would have been nice.

:)

105 APox  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:47:25pm

OT, but I read a funny comment on a forum in response to the whole union debate in Wisconsin:

"FIT, please explain what "facts" the liberals in Wisconsin are ignoring. Are you referring to the "fact" that collective bargaining allows unions to write a blank check that the tax payers have to cash? I much prefer the "lie" that collective bargaining has absolutely no fiscal impact, given how its reality is it allowing educators to negotiate with school boards over how a set budget should be used, in such broad areas as salaries, pensions, class sizes, technological investment, etc.

Are you referring to the "fact" that teachers are far overcompensated for what they already do? I mean, I much prefer the "lie" that talks about teachers working 50-60 hour work weeks, spending much of their own money on class supplies, being more educated than the average private sector worker yet receiving less, etc. All bullshit, I tell you.

Are you referring to the "fact" that unions today have no place? You're right, the "lie" in which unions provide a collective group for a bunch of vital workers, as well as simplifying the contracting process for school districts is nothing but balderdash. It'd be much better if districts negotiated each contract individually; after all, negotiating hundreds is much more fun than negotiating one.

Are you referring to the "fact" that educators haven't had to share in the pain like the private sector? The "lie" that describes a university professor receiving the same salary the past three years (no CPI increases), in addition to taking furlough days (on a salaried job, nonetheless; what, do the students just go away for a week?), and teaching more sections than ever due to hiring freezes in most departments, is far more suitable to the liberal cause than the "fact" described.

So, I really can't think of any more "facts" that liberals, or libertarians such as myself, or conservatives, such as Sen. Shultz and Rep. Trannel (both being my reps in the state legislature), aren't acknowledging.

DISCLAIMER - I live in SW Wisconsin, and damn near my entire family is composed of educators at one level or another. As such, I must confess to most probably being well informed about unions, what they do, what the "budget repair" bill is trying to destroy, and how that will impact those affected. At the very least, I'm probably better informed than Gov Walker, who dropped out of school after two years as barely a C student."

Kind of made me laugh.

106 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:47:51pm

re: #104 ggt

Wazzat?

107 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:49:18pm

So, please help.

I want to find the Pages posts I've posted.

How do I do it.

Remember I am old.

Thank you, in advance, for your support!

108 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:49:19pm

re: #101 ggt

Lack of motivation, 2 dogs, 1 cat, and building construction on-going in my general vicinity, leads to lots of dust.

But, I found only dust, no dead creatures of the crunchy kind.

Makes me feel better. I'm a little paranoid about bugs--especially with the bed bug resurgence.

I have two large sliders and two regular doors that are open all season...so far I've had a friendly squirrel hang out, a couple of birds fly through, one landed in my plant room for a few minutes, several lizards come and go, a tarantula wandering around my kitchen for a few days, and a stray dog who comes by and sleeps in my bathroom, and some very large insects make their summer home here...typical stuff for me

109 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:50:32pm

re: #107 ggt

So, please help.

I want to find the Pages posts I've posted.

How do I do it.

Remember I am old.

Thank you, in advance, for your support!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

110 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:50:48pm

re: #106 Sergey Romanov

Wazzat?

I clicked the vid and it opened on John Boy (the actor).

never mind.

111 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:51:16pm

re: #108 albusteve

I have two large sliders and two regular doors that are open all season...so far I've had a friendly squirrel hang out, a couple of birds fly through, one landed in my plant room for a few minutes, several lizards come and go, a tarantula wandering around my kitchen for a few days, and a stray dog who comes by and sleeps in my bathroom, and some very large insects make their summer home here...typical stuff for me

I shudder at the thought . . .

112 wee fury  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:51:32pm

re: #103 Sergey Romanov

Now this is totally f'ed up. Look what they did to It.


[Video]

So funny!
Thanks for posting.

113 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:51:37pm

re: #107 ggt

I missed your Temple of Vesta. :( It's cool!

114 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:51:39pm

re: #110 ggt
Richard Thomas?

115 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:51:55pm

re: #109 Sergey Romanov

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

You are awesome!

How come when I do that, I get no return?

116 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:52:35pm

re: #109 Sergey Romanov

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Everyone, upding Sergey's #109 for helping me, ok?

my one ding isn't nearly enough.

117 wee fury  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:52:39pm

re: #108 albusteve

I have two large sliders and two regular doors that are open all season...so far I've had a friendly squirrel hang out, a couple of birds fly through, one landed in my plant room for a few minutes, several lizards come and go, a tarantula wandering around my kitchen for a few days, and a stray dog who comes by and sleeps in my bathroom, and some very large insects make their summer home here...typical stuff for me

You really need screens.

118 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:52:55pm

re: #116 ggt

Everyone, upding Sergey's #109 for helping me, ok?

my one ding isn't nearly enough.

LOL!

119 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:53:06pm

re: #113 Sergey Romanov

I missed your Temple of Vesta. :( It's cool!

Thanks,

Kid still hasn't gotten his grade on it.

I had fun, but I'm glad it's over.

120 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:53:12pm

Better upding this page:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

121 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:53:29pm

re: #114 PhillyPretzel

Richard Thomas?

Yeah, can't stand him.

don't know why. Might be that mole on his face.

122 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:53:58pm

re: #117 wee fury

You really need screens.

Never know when the honey badger might wander in. . . .

123 iceweasel  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:54:17pm

re: #120 Sergey Romanov

Better upding this page:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Cool!

124 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:54:41pm

re: #120 Sergey Romanov

Better upding this page:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]


awwww, Sergey.

125 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:55:27pm

Meanwhile in Wisconsin, tens of thousand union supporters rallied for the fourth straight Saturday. Including 40 farmers who drove their tractors from all over Southern Wisconsin. One farmer drove his tractor and manure spreader for 7 hours (!!) to be here today.

They really don't get what they've awoken in this state.

[Link: host.madison.com...]

126 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:56:17pm

re: #117 wee fury

You really need screens.

I considered that, but now I'm hooked...it's an indoor/outdoor sort of experience here, very rustic but everybody just loves the bunkhouse...it's not usual in my circle of family visitors, rain blowing in and I just let it

127 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:56:24pm

re: #125 wlewisiii

Meanwhile in Wisconsin, tens of thousand union supporters rallied for the fourth straight Saturday. Including 40 farmers who drove their tractors from all over Southern Wisconsin. One farmer drove his tractor and manure spreader for 7 hours (!!) to be here today.

They really don't get what they've awoken in this state.

[Link: host.madison.com...]

How much gas does that take?

I like the intent and all, but geez!

128 The Yankee  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:57:15pm

Now that the reactor problem seems to be solved. There is a town that is missing of some 7,000 people that there might not be any survivors of. It was buried in a mud slide.

129 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:59:36pm

re: #128 The Yankee

Now that the reactor problem seems to be solved. There is a town that is missing of some 7,000 people that there might not be any survivors of. It was buried in a mud slide.

OMG!

We work so hard to save lives --medical research, disaster work, seat belt laws etc and Mother Nature comes along . . . . .

Sobering . . .

130 TedStriker  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 1:59:53pm

re: #108 albusteve

I have two large sliders and two regular doors that are open all season...so far I've had a friendly squirrel hang out, a couple of birds fly through, one landed in my plant room for a few minutes, several lizards come and go, a tarantula wandering around my kitchen for a few days, and a stray dog who comes by and sleeps in my bathroom, and some very large insects make their summer home here...typical stuff for me

How do you do, Dr. Doolittle? ;-P

131 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:00:44pm

re: #97 oaktree

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Giant isopod.

Thanks.

132 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:01:25pm

re: #131 Romantic Heretic

Thanks.

Is that the latin name for alien?

133 wee fury  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:02:22pm

re: #103 Sergey Romanov

Now this is totally f'ed up. Look what they did to It.


[Video]

You think that's bad -- look what they did to my song.

134 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:03:35pm

re: #133 wee fury

You think that's bad -- look what they did to my song.

[Video]

ugh! I think we had to sing that in an elementary school recital.

nuns, white gloves, bleh!

135 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:04:21pm

re: #133 wee fury

You think that's bad -- look what they did to my song.

[Video]

That's new for me. Thanks!

136 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:05:43pm

re: #135 Sergey Romanov

That's new for me. Thanks!

Sergey, refresh my memory, were are you from?

137 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:06:42pm

re: #136 ggt

Sergey, refresh my memory, were are you from?

Russia, naturally.

138 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:07:08pm

re: #137 Sergey Romanov

Russia, naturally.

are you there now?

What part of Russia?

How old are you?

139 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:07:33pm

MSNBC now reporting partial core melt in Japanese reactor.

140 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:08:18pm

re: #139 Ojoe

MSNBC now reporting partial core melt in Japanese reactor.

being a total ignoramus on the subject, is that "not-so-bad" or "really bad"?

141 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:08:23pm

re: #138 ggt

are you there now?

What part of Russia?

How old are you?

Charles knows what part from my IP. But I don't reveal personal details on the web (except for affirming that this is my real name and not a riff on the Tsar's family ;).

142 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:10:12pm

re: #141 Sergey Romanov

Charles knows what part from my IP. But I don't reveal personal details on the web (except for affirming that this is my real name and not a riff on the Tsar's family ;).

Sorry, I just have a hard-time keeping up and you are a newer lizard. I don't want to inadvertently say the wrong thing.

I respect your anonymity.

143 The Yankee  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:10:30pm

re: #129 ggt

By the way here is my source, I wanted to make sure I had it right to be sure not to sound like a alarmist.

[Link: timesofindia.indiatimes.com...]

TOKYO: The toll, now being placed at 1,300 to 1,700, could rise dramatically. Around 10,000 people are unaccounted for in Minamisanriku alone — that's more than half the port town's population of 17,000 — in the worst-hit Miyagi prefecture. Near the heart of the quake zone in Sendai, 200 to 300 bodies were found washed up on local beaches.

As Japan was filled with scenes of desperation, officials said several districts in an area near Sendai's airport were annihilated, raising fears that the toll could multiply as the missing begin to be counted as dead. Four passenger trains had not been accounted for as of Saturday night.

There have been more than 160 aftershocks in the first 24 hours — 141 of them measuring 5-magnitude or more on the Richter scale, which are actually major earthquakes in their own right.

I did get that mixed up with the mudslide in this video.

[Link: cnn.com...]
those 10,000 missing might not of been a result of a landslide but the 13 in this video are.

144 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:11:09pm

re: #140 ggt

Medium bad; it will be relatively OK if the big steel bottle that contains the core holds.

145 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:12:08pm

re: #143 The Yankee

By the way here is my source, I wanted to make sure I had it right to be sure not to sound like a alarmist.

[Link: timesofindia.indiatimes.com...]

I did get that mixed up with the mudslide in this video.

[Link: cnn.com...]
those 10,000 missing might not of been a result of a landslide but the 13 in this video are.

Why hasn't USNS Comfort or Mercy been deployed? Sounds like they could use the help, if not the drinking water.

146 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:12:20pm

re: #144 Ojoe

Medium bad; it will be relatively OK if the big steel bottle that contains the core holds.

thanks!

147 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:12:49pm

re: #142 ggt

I have some detractors in Russia, Stalinists and some neo-Nazis who would love some details, as well as a crazy personal online stalker in the US who writes shit about me, so I keep it to the bare minimum :)

148 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:12:57pm

re: #145 ggt
The USS Ronald Reagan is going there.

149 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:13:28pm

re: #147 Sergey Romanov

I have some detractors in Russia, Stalinists and some neo-Nazis who would love some details, as well as a crazy personal online stalker in the US who writes shit about me, so I keep it to the bare minimum :)

Silly Whackos™!!!!

150 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:14:24pm

re: #141 Sergey Romanov

Charles knows what part from my IP. But I don't reveal personal details on the web (except for affirming that this is my real name and not a riff on the Tsar's family ;).

My real name is Walter L. Newton

I live in Conifer Colorado (the model for "South Park"). You can purchase handmade jewelry items from me at...

[Link: www.etsy.com...]

You can peruse my plays and media reviews at...

[Link: newton.acrossthebow.com...]

And you may purchase play books and performance rights to my works at...

[Link: www.shop.nextstagepress.net...]

I won't tell you my age. I don't reveal personal details on the web

151 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:14:36pm

re: #144 Ojoe

Medium bad; it will be relatively OK if the big steel bottle that contains the core holds.

Sounds like pretty much what happened at Three Mile

152 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:15:37pm

re: #148 PhillyPretzel

The USS Ronald Reagan is going there.

I thought the Ronald Reagan could only deliver supplies. Sounds like they will need more of what the Comfort can supply.

Or do they need more "boots on the ground" type of support?

153 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:15:53pm

re: #150 Walter L. Newton

Nice to meet you, Walter.

/

That's some good jewelry.

154 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:16:14pm

re: #139 Ojoe

MSNBC now reporting partial core melt in Japanese reactor.

It's been really hard to tell because the reporting has been so bad. Some outlets are still recycling the story from yesterday about the explosion. It's ofter hard to tell if it's a new explosion or the one from yesterday. The MSM is a giant clusterfuck on this story.

155 TedStriker  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:16:19pm

re: #150 Walter L. Newton

My real name is Walter L. Newton

I live in Conifer Colorado (the model for "South Park"). You can purchase handmade jewelry items from me at...

[Link: www.etsy.com...]

You can peruse my plays and media reviews at...

[Link: newton.acrossthebow.com...]

And you may purchase play books and performance rights to my works at...

[Link: www.shop.nextstagepress.net...]

I won't tell you my age. I don't reveal personal details on the web

I guess we'll have to saw one of your legs off and count the rings...

///

156 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:16:35pm
157 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:16:39pm

re: #150 Walter L. Newton

My real name is Walter L. Newton

I live in Conifer Colorado (the model for "South Park"). You can purchase handmade jewelry items from me at...

[Link: www.etsy.com...]

You can peruse my plays and media reviews at...

[Link: newton.acrossthebow.com...]

And you may purchase play books and performance rights to my works at...

[Link: www.shop.nextstagepress.net...]

I won't tell you my age. I don't reveal personal details on the web

AND as I told you when you first registered, I think you are crazy for revealing so much. Age range and general location are much harder to trace.

!!! MOM RANT off!!!

158 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:16:52pm

re: #152 ggt
I do not know. I just remember hearing that the Ronald Reagan was headed to the area.

159 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:18:22pm

re: #150 Walter L. Newton

My real name is Walter L. Newton

I live in Conifer Colorado (the model for "South Park"). You can purchase handmade jewelry items from me at...

[Link: www.etsy.com...]

You can peruse my plays and media reviews at...

[Link: newton.acrossthebow.com...]

And you may purchase play books and performance rights to my works at...

[Link: www.shop.nextstagepress.net...]

I won't tell you my age. I don't reveal personal details on the web

Jewelry is cool! Have you ever seen any of the stuff people have made from river stones? polished and paired with gemstones? I've made some, I find it as beautiful as other native stones like turquoise.

160 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:18:25pm

re: #156 Ojoe
There are a lot of problems after any natural disaster. Japan has its plate full.

161 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:18:27pm

re: #154 Killgore Trout

MSM ought to have list of technically literate consultants to call on this.

I only know a few basics myself.

162 BishopX  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:18:31pm

re: #152 ggt

Japan has a world class search and rescue operations program and modern hospitals. What they need is staging areas for helicopters, as many airports were damaged, and supply delivery for evacuees and displaced persons.

The Ronald Reagan also has some hospital capacity.

163 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:18:59pm

re: #160 PhillyPretzel

It's a techtonic plate full.

164 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:19:22pm

re: #162 BishopX

Japan has a world class search and rescue operations program and modern hospitals. What they need is staging areas for helicopters, as many airports were damaged, and supply delivery for evacuees and displaced persons.

The Ronald Reagan also has some hospital capacity.

Thanks!

165 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:19:33pm

re: #157 ggt

AND as I told you when you first registered, I think you are crazy for revealing so much. Age range and general location are much harder to trace.

!!! MOM RANT off!!!

You were here when I first registered? I've been here WAY before the registration date listed on the profile, WAY before Charles was even registering users.

Did you mean when YOU first registered?

166 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:20:13pm

my real name is Steve
and my real home is ABQ
I'm 58
come get some

167 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:20:22pm

re: #163 Ojoe
Oh yes indeed. And they remain in my prayers.

168 The Yankee  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:21:16pm

My father just told me that the seawater is not staying in the reactor so the that wall might be cracked. I haven't seen anything confirming that yet.

169 BishopX  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:21:45pm

re: #164 ggt

You're welcome. Keep in mind I'm synthesizing this stuff from news reports, I have absolutely no first (or second) hand knowledge of any of this.

170 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:21:56pm

re: #165 Walter L. Newton

You were here when I first registered? I've been here WAY before the registration date listed on the profile, WAY before Charles was even registering users.

Did you mean when YOU first registered?

I don't know. I just remember ranting about putting your real name as your username. I wouldn't have done that if I was the newbie.

171 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:22:07pm

re: #166 albusteve

Ding for DN ref. ;)

172 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:22:31pm

re: #148 PhillyPretzel

The USS Ronald Reagan is going there.

And when they arrive the captain will be able to say "We're from the government and we're here to help you!"

173 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:22:49pm

I have to go be productive, or take nap.

Have a great afternoon all!

Naps are, technically, productive. I think.

174 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:22:57pm

re: #168 The Yankee

Situation very bad if your dad's hypothesis be true.

175 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:23:13pm

re: #66 justaminute

I wonder what they will do with the seawater that was pumped into the facility? Won't the water be highly radioactive now?

re: #69 Thanos

No, it will have some trace radioactivity. The contaiment unit is unbreached, the ionizing radiation is inside it. You will get mostly non ionizing stuff like tritium etc. (in Layman's terms, non -ionizing radiation won't penetrate your skin.)

re: #70 Killgore Trout

I don't know for sure but I don't think so. The rods are usually submerged in another liquid (Heavy water?) which is cooled by seawater (or river water). The cooling liquid isn't in Direct contact with the nuclear material.

This seems to indicate that it is the primary coolant loop that has been replaced with seawater and boric acid:

"We've decided to fill the reactor container with sea water. Trade minister Kaieda has instructed us to do so. By doing this, we will use boric acid to prevent criticality."

This is the stuff that flows around and through the fuel rods. Boric acid won't do jack to moderate the reaction in the secondary coolant loop, you've got to insert it around and through the rod pile. Sea water contains sodium ions, sodium is a metal, unlike pure water it will readily become radioactive in the presence of gamma and neutron radiation. Justaminute's fears seem fairly reasonable at this point. Radioactive cesium has already been detected outside the plant, indicating that some of the fuel cracked or melted during the incident and that a release of primary coolant occurred with the earlier steam release.

176 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:23:22pm

re: #171 Sergey Romanov

Ding for DN ref. ;)

my man

177 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:23:30pm

re: #159 ggt

Jewelry is cool! Have you ever seen any of the stuff people have made from river stones? polished and paired with gemstones? I've made some, I find it as beautiful as other native stones like turquoise.

Yes I have. I cut, shape and polish my stones from rough, on lapidary machines, and then craft the chokers. I work mainly with jaspers, turquoise, agate. I cut gem quality baroque styled opal, but since I am not a metal smith, I leave them loose and let people purchase then so they can take them to a jeweler and create their own mounts.

178 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:23:42pm

re: #172 ralphieboy
And Japanese will say, "Pick any spot and get cracking."

179 Kragar  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:24:00pm

Luckily, my design team finally got my origin montage completed

180 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:24:14pm

re: #176 albusteve

my man

181 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:29:06pm

re: #180 Sergey Romanov

[Video]

when there is a Gaming Hall of Fame, Duke will go in first...the original ass kicker

182 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:33:04pm

re: #181 albusteve

when there is a Gaming Hall of Fame, Duke will go in first...the original ass kicker

Doom 2 and Duke (and a bit of Hexen) were it for me in the 3d shooter genre. Quake and what followed - meh. Duke was particularly cool because of all the black humor as well as the possibility of editing script files for hilarious effects.

183 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:33:27pm

re: #181 albusteve

when there is a Gaming Hall of Fame, Duke will go in first...the original ass kicker

I hear the plans for the Vaporware Hall of Fame are still on the drawing board.

184 albusteve  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:36:04pm

re: #182 Sergey Romanov

Doom 2 and Duke (and a bit of Hexen) were it for me in the 3d shooter genre. Quake and what followed - meh. Duke was particularly cool because of all the black humor as well as the possibility of editing script files for hilarious effects.

same two games for me...lotta hours beating those...but Duke had all that incidental stuff, pool balls rolling around, and strippers etc...big fun

185 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:36:04pm

re: #183 oaktree

I hear the plans for the Vaporware Hall of Fame are still on the drawing board.

Hadn't you heard? DNF is finally being released in May. Hail to the King!

186 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:37:20pm

re: #184 albusteve

same two games for me...lotta hours beating those...but Duke had all that incidental stuff, pool balls rolling around, and strippers etc...big fun

EXACTLY!

And who can forget the shrinking ray!

187 The Yankee  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:37:39pm

re: #182 Sergey Romanov

Doom 2 and Duke (and a bit of Hexen) were it for me in the 3d shooter genre. Quake and what followed - meh. Duke was particularly cool because of all the black humor as well as the possibility of editing script files for hilarious effects.

When ever I think hear of Duke Nukem I think of Conker's Bad Fur Day. The sequel wasn't that great and, I hate to say it, they are still trying to make a sequel to Duke Nuke if it ever comes out hopefully it will be better then Conker's

188 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:38:17pm

re: #187 The Yankee

I will look it up on the wiki and return in a sec. /

189 The Yankee  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:39:02pm

re: #188 Sergey Romanov

Wiki won't do it justice look it up on youtube.

190 sagehen  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:40:00pm

re: #145 ggt

Why hasn't USNS Comfort or Mercy been deployed? Sounds like they could use the help, if not the drinking water.

They might not be in the Pacific; but really, other than the one with the special largish hospital, any of our carriers can do pretty much the same things as any other.

191 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:40:45pm

Besides, if Duke ends up in a Gaming Hall of Fame, then this guy deserves to be right beside him:

Image: Vaultboy.jpg

192 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:41:43pm

re: #189 The Yankee

Wiki won't do it justice look it up on youtube.

OK, I've just heard an opera aria sang by a piece of poo.

193 The Yankee  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:43:10pm

re: #192 Sergey Romanov

OK, I've just heard an opera aria sang by a piece of poo.

Thats the one, ahhhh nostalgia...

194 Linden Arden  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:43:48pm

re: #3 albusteve

this news from Japan makes me want to just weep...the Plates are angry

And if I am elected I promise to end Plate Tectonics once and for all!

195 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:43:59pm

re: #193 The Yankee

I think I might try an emulator just for this.

196 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:45:03pm

re: #191 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Besides, if Duke ends up in a Gaming Hall of Fame, then this guy deserves to be right beside him:

Image: Vaultboy.jpg

Would the place be laid out as a big maze with dots painted on the floor and 3-4 concession stands located so that you could re-charge and chase the holograph monsters running around the place.

Plus the nice sound effect when you leave...

197 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:47:43pm

re: #196 oaktree

My first association:

198 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:53:39pm

Ten minutes to tip off. Walking down the hill to the South Austin Bar & Grill.

Go 'Horns!

199 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:54:57pm

Can anyone access Conservapedia? It gives me this error:

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /Nuclear_Energy on this server.


Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

200 The Yankee  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:58:07pm

I got there maybe it is because you have a Russian IP, you dirty red commie lol....

[Link: conservapedia.com...]

201 BishopX  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:58:28pm

re: #199 Sergey Romanov

I can read the article just fine. Maybe they just don't like you Russians stealing all of our nuclear sekrets?

202 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:58:43pm

The Protocols of The Daily Kos.....
Collective Punishment & Media Bias

We don't know who was responsible for the tragic deaths of the Fogel family. We all condemn such violence. Yet there are much larger issues at play here. First of all, without any solid evidence, the Israeli government is assuming that someone from the Palestinian side is guilty. We don't know that. And yet the Israeli government is engaging in its policy of collective punishment by storming the village of Arwata.

They have rounded up 19 people and taken them into custody, blocked off the roads and prevented anyone from entering or leaving, and taken children into custody.

Later that day, they searched the houses of families who had been arrested, cutting off the power and entering their houses without warrants with soldiers and dogs. They destroyed computers and phones, stole money, and threw sound grenades. An 80-year-old diabetic woman was beaten by the soldiers and had to be taken to the hospital.

This is an example of the media bias that is common when reporting on I/P events. We always read about it when an Israel family is killed. That is trumpeted all over the Associated Press and outlets that report their news. Yet when Israel's army engages in collective punishment on a daily basis, that reporting is ignored. Where is the media when 80 year old women are beaten and taken to the hospital or children are arrested and taken into custody?

The real story is not that a family was killed. The real story is about the media and the systematic bias that pervades their reporting on these events. These are the same sorts of practices that the Bush administration used when they engaged in collective punishment by killing off millions of Iraqi civilians and detained hundreds of people at Guantanamo without trial.

In the twisted view of certain media outlets, the fact that the Fogel family was killed outside of any humane laws makes it a major bad deal. But if you operate under the guise of law and order, that somehow creates all the justification in the world. The fact that collective punishment is illegal under international law somehow escapes them.

203 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:59:32pm

re: #200 The Yankee

I got there maybe it is because you have a Russian IP, you dirty red commie lol...

[Link: conservapedia.com...]

That's what I figured, but since they also blocked ctunnel and presumably other proxies, I couldn't check.

204 The Yankee  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 2:59:44pm

It is not a very impressive article/page the page for Nuclear Reactor is even more of a joke.

I wonder if the right wing takes that site seriously, I mean it was created by the guy that edited the Holy Bible.

205 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:00:26pm

re: #202 Killgore Trout

The Protocols of The Daily Kos...
Collective Punishment & Media Bias

Now that is bad.

206 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:02:14pm

re: #202 Killgore Trout

The Protocols of The Daily Kos...
Collective Punishment & Media Bias

"killing off millions of Iraqi civilians"

*eyeroll*

207 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:02:20pm

re: #205 Sergey Romanov

Now that is bad.

At least they're slamming him in the comments.
The comments over at Huffpo are mixed but much worse than Dkos. Dkos cleaned up after years of being hammered for antisemitism. Sadly, it's still a big problem on the left and I'm not sure if they'll ever really be able to tackle it.

208 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:03:01pm

re: #204 The Yankee

It is not a very impressive article/page the page for Nuclear Reactor is even more of a joke.

I wonder if the right wing takes that site seriously, I mean it was created by the guy that edited the Holy Bible.

The nuclear reactor article was created by Thomas Jefferson?

209 The Yankee  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:04:43pm

here is the article on Nuclear Energy at conservapedia.

Nuclear energy is energy gained from the destruction of subatomic particles during nuclear fission or fusion. The main uses of nuclear technology is in nuclear reactors, which use the energy in an atom to create power, or nuclear weapons, which use the energy in warfare. There are two types of reactions, nuclear fission and nuclear fusion.
a significant share of U.S. energy is nuclear
Contents
[hide]

1 Theory
2 Weapon
3 Power
4 Controversy
5 References

Theory

The energy released from a nuclear fission device is given by the equation E = MC2. Spelled out, mass multiplied by the speed of light squared. This equation is the formula for the energy contained in an atom. This energy is released in a nuclear weapon when a speeding neutron collides with the atom, blasting it apart, and releasing the binding energy of the atom. In a nuclear weapon, the atom blasted apart then releases other neutrons which collide with other atoms. This keeps occurring until there are no atoms left to destroy. This is known as a nuclear chain reaction. In a nuclear fission power plant, however, the nuclear core is designed so that a runaway chain reaction cannot occur, by limiting the number of neutrons available to continue the reaction by the use of control rods[1].

Nuclear fusion, on the other hand, is based on putting atoms together, as opposed to breaking them apart in fission, heavier atoms often require less bonding energy than the combined original binding energies of the fusing lighter atoms.
Weapon
Nuclear "mushroom cloud" at Hiroshima, Japan

A nuclear weapon is a weapon designed with a nuclear warhead. Nuclear weapons not only produce mass devastation in the blast radius, but also create a nuclear fallout for many years to come. Recently, there has been much fear of a terrorist state or organization getting hold of either a Soviet weapon or creating one of their own.

Nuclear fission based weapons occur by the nuclear chain reaction system, while thermonuclear weapons create nuclear fusion in their reaction.
Power
Nuclear power plant

Nuclear fission has existed for power over fifty years, starting with the Manhattan Project. It currently supplies electricity to many of the nations of the world. The nuclear industry was booming in the 1960's and 1970's, but political opposition stopped nuclear construction in the USA. There is talk of renewing construction because it is the cleanest and cheapest source of large quantities of power, it doesn't depend on Mideast oil, and it doesn't emit greenhouse gases.

Nuclear fusion has been sought vigorously as a clean energy source, but the end result in every try has been less energy resulting in the reaction than was put into it. Nevertheless, several countries still invest heavily in nuclear fusion energy programs in the hope that someday they may become viable.
Controversy

An environmentalist's ideal energy is one that emits no greenhouse gasses and is efficient. Nuclear energy is not only competitive with coal energy, but by an environmentalist standards, "cleaner." Environmentalists claim that they want the cleanest, most efficient energy source, but despise domestic nuclear energy use while at the same time ardently support Iran obtaining nuclear energy. This negates any validity they had towards nuclear energy being unsafe. H.R. 391 [2] would amend the Clean Air Act of 1963 [3] to not allow congress to regulate greenhouse gas emissions. This would make the energy industry more competitive. As all free market economists know, the product of competition is lower prices at better quality, ultimately benefiting the American people the most.

here is the article on Nuclear Reactor, I shit you not:

A nuclear reactor uses the heat of sustained nuclear fission to generate electricity or move a ship. Some nuclear reactors, known as breeder reactors, can produce additional fuel even as they consume fuel.
210 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:04:44pm

Only two diaries on Dkos about the murdered family and neither of them are very flattering. Here's the other one....
As long as it takes.

211 TedStriker  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:05:00pm

re: #199 Sergey Romanov

Can anyone access Conservapedia? It gives me this error:

re: #200 The Yankee

I got there maybe it is because you have a Russian IP, you dirty red commie lol...

[Link: conservapedia.com...]

re: #201 BishopX

I can read the article just fine. Maybe they just don't like you Russians stealing all of our nuclear sekrets?

I can almost see Andrew Schafly and his mommy Phyllis shouting in Sergey's general direction, "Better dead than Red!"

/they bring the crazy like that...

212 The Yankee  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:05:56pm

re: #203 Sergey Romanov

That's what I figured, but since they also blocked ctunnel and presumably other proxies, I couldn't check.

If they are blocking you Russians it is just a matter of time before they start blocking New Jersey and California.

213 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:06:16pm

re: #209 The Yankee

I was just trying to tie it in with the relativity denial.

214 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:07:14pm

re: #209 The Yankee

Theory

The energy released from a nuclear fission device is given by the equation E = MC2.

Who wrote that?

The energy is given by the mass which is converted to energy.

215 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:13:48pm

re: #212 The Yankee

If they are blocking you Russians it is just a matter of time before they start blocking New Jersey and California.

Aha, here's the explanation:

[Link: rationalwiki.org...]

216 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 12, 2011 3:14:21pm

MSNBC article with Japanese confirmation of partial core melt:

NBC, msnbc.com and news services
updated 28 minutes ago (about 2:45 pm PST - Ojoe)

The core of a nuclear reactor damaged by Friday’s massive earthquake has partially melted, Japan’s nuclear safety agency said Saturday, and the company that runs the plant is pouring seawater into the reactor in an attempt to cool it and prevent it from going critical.
Japan earthquake
Core of quake-damaged reactor partially melts
The core of a nuclear reactor damaged by Friday’s massive earthquake has partially melted, Japan’s nuclear safety agency says, and the company that runs the plant is pouring in seawater to cool it.

Early Sunday, Japan's nuclear safety agency reported an emergency at a second reactor in the same complex.
The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said that the cooling system malfunctioned at Unit 3 of the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant No. 1. The agency said it was informed of the emergency by Tokyo Electric Co., or TEPCO, the utility that runs the plant.


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