Frank Gaffney: Muslims Practicing Sharia Should Be Prosecuted for Sedition

Gaffney calls for the criminalization of Islam
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Here’s Frank Gaffney of the anti-Muslim Center for Security Policy, calling for Muslims who practice any version of sharia law to be arrested and prosecuted for “sedition.”

Gabriel: But a lot of people say that Sharia law is a religious practice, and maybe it should be protected by the First Amendment. Can you please tell us, is it compatible with the Constitution? Should it be protected by the First Amendment as a religious practice?

Gaffney: It is the law of the land in Saudi Arabia and Iran, and anyone who thinks that what life is like in either of those two countries is the same as life in America obviously doesn’t know anything about either Saudi Arabia or Iran. In fact, it is absolutely antithetical, Sharia is, to our Constitution, and the pursuit of it as you said in your comment, Brigitte, is incompatible with the Constitution’s Article VI, and therefore, far from being a protected religious practice, it is an impermissible act of sedition, which has to be prosecuted under our Constitution.

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1 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:26:44pm

But America, of course, is a Christian nation, as Christianity is the basis for all our laws, and thus to claim we're secular is just wrong!

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2 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:27:14pm

Now:

Define Sharia.

3 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:28:55pm

Yikes.

[Link: twitter.com...]

4 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:29:44pm

re: #2 Obdicut

Now:

Define Sharia.

Only as defined by non-Muslims though.

If non-Jews had to define Judaism, we'd be in jail too. Oh wait, they did and we were.

5 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:31:29pm

re: #1 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You nailed it, TPWoBW: the Religious Right are not upset because it is a violation of the separation of Church and State, they are upset because it represents a union of the "wrong" church with the state and feel terribly threatened by it.

6 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:31:43pm

re: #2 Obdicut

Now:

Define Sharia.

Well, there's the rub. They're so damn sure it's a bad thing, even if they aren't quite sure what it is...

7 Darlington  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:32:22pm

I think this Gaffney idiot is more un-American than the people that he is demanding be thrown in jail.

8 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:32:43pm

re: #2 Obdicut

Now:

Define Sharia.

Sharia = Islam. Very simple.

9 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:32:55pm

re: #6 Simply Sarah

Well, there's the rub. They're so damn sure it's a bad thing, even if they aren't quite sure what it is...

Can anyone name me a seditious practice that:

a. Could be considered to be mandated by Sharia

and

b. Is not already illegal under extant U.S. law?

10 Gus  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:33:58pm

We have laws that limit what one would call "religious practices". One example might by polygamy. They're prosecuted on face value with regards to the practical application of the law. Polygamy for example wouldn't be considered a seditious act no matter how much people would consider it a threat "to the moral foundation and the future of America". The same is true with whatever Sharia practice that may run counter to American laws. The whole notion of Gaffney's "brain fart" is beyond absurd.

11 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:34:49pm

re: #9 SanFranciscoZionist

Thse people are convinced that Sharia is going to somehow creep in under the radar and not raise its towelled head until it is too late to stop it...

12 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:35:02pm

re: #10 Gus 802

Seditious would be if Sharia called fors the overthrowing of governments and replacing them with something else.

'cuz that's what the word means.

13 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:35:46pm
the pursuit of it as you said in your comment, Brigitte, is incompatible with the Constitution’s Article VI,

Apparently, practicing Islam (daily prayers, reading of the Koran) amounts to forcing all candidates for public office to be Muslims.

14 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:35:50pm

re: #11 ralphieboy

Thse people are convinced that Sharia is going to somehow creep in under the radar and not raise its towelled head until it is too late to stop it...

Well, if they're gonna stop it, they had better hurry up and figure out what the heck it is.

15 iossarian  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:36:38pm

re: #11 ralphieboy

Thse people are convinced that Sharia is going to somehow creep in under the radar and not raise its towelled head until it is too late to stop it...

What with Sharia raising its toweled head and Putin rearing his head and coming into the airspace, I'm surprised dittoheads go out of doors at all.

/suddenly comes to an epiphany regarding Humvee sales

16 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:36:40pm

As usual, the Bigot Brigade takes a grain of truth and turns into a giant boogeyman. The type of sharia practiced in Saudi Arabia and Iran really is a brutal repressive legal system. That much is true.

But to jump from this fact into a weird fantasy where America is in danger of becoming like Saudi Arabia is completely whacked out.

17 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:36:58pm

re: #12 Obdicut

Seditious would be if Sharia called fors the overthrowing of governments and replacing them with something else.

'cuz that's what the word means.

It's like "terrorist" or "communist/socialist/Marxist," they use the word because of the wicked connotations behind it, not because it fits the definition.

18 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:37:00pm

And that would be Brigitte Gabriel 's group meeting. The same Gabriel who had no problem claiming:

America has been infiltrated on all levels by radicals who wish to harm America,” she said. “They have infiltrated us at the C.I.A., at the F.B.I., at the Pentagon, at the State Department. They are being radicalized in radical mosques in our cities and communities within the United States..
19 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:38:23pm
the pursuit of it as you said in your comment, Brigitte, is incompatible with the Constitution’s Article VI

I am glad, however, that some conservatives have now discovered Article VI's prohibition against the requirement of any religious test (belief).

20 Gus  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:39:04pm

re: #12 Obdicut

Seditious would be if Sharia called fors the overthrowing of governments and replacing them with something else.

'cuz that's what the word means.

I guess ol' Gaffney thinks that telling people not to keep dogs as pets is a seditious act.

None of it makes sense. Well, it does make sense when we see who's making these pronouncements. Gaffney's a lunatic.

21 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:39:27pm

re: #16 Charles

As usual, the Bigot Brigade takes a grain of truth and turns into a giant boogeyman. The type of sharia practiced in Saudi Arabia and Iran really is a brutal repressive legal system. That much is true.

But to jump from this fact into a weird fantasy where America is in danger of becoming like Saudi Arabia is completely whacked out.

If by "becoming like Saudi Arabia," we mean the rapid encroachment of an ideology/theology as a means of governing things, then I'd say we're well on our way. The difference is, it's not Islam that's responsible, nor will those who ultimately rule over us being mullahs.

22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:39:38pm

Okay, Everybody together now!

HOW DO YOU SOLVE A PROBLEM LIKE SHARIAAAaaa?!
How do you hold a (crescent) MOOOoonbeam in your haaand....

23 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:39:39pm

re: #17 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It's like "terrorist" or "communist/socialist/Marxist," they use the word because of the wicked connotations behind it, not because it fits the definition.

"When I use a word, it means what I want it to mean; neither more, nor less"--Humpty Dumpty to Alice

24 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:39:55pm

re: #16 Charles

As usual, the Bigot Brigade takes a grain of truth and turns into a giant boogeyman. The type of sharia practiced in Saudi Arabia and Iran really is a brutal repressive legal system. That much is true.

But to jump from this fact into a weird fantasy where America is in danger of becoming like Saudi Arabia is completely whacked out.

As I've mentioned many times, Calvin's Geneva, a Protestant theocracy, was a shitty place to live.

But that doesn't mean that practicing the Protestant faith, or adhering to Protestant theology leads to theocracy.

(Although, some folks out there really wish it would.)

25 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:40:27pm

re: #16 Charles

As usual, the Bigot Brigade takes a grain of truth and turns into a giant boogeyman. The type of sharia practiced in Saudi Arabia and Iran really is a brutal repressive legal system. That much is true.

But to jump from this fact into a weird fantasy where America is in danger of becoming like Saudi Arabia is completely whacked out.

Also the continuing protests against building places of worship and even emulating the EDL's campaign against companies that serve halal food. It's pretty clear they are trying to outlaw a religion.

26 recusancy  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:40:49pm

Another PNACer.

27 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:41:14pm

re: #17 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It's like "terrorist" or "communist/socialist/Marxist," they use the word because of the wicked connotations behind it, not because it fits the definition.

That's right... All Democrats are Communist and all Muslims are radicals.

And all Republicans are religious fundamentalists. See, I can do it too!

28 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:41:33pm

re: #20 Gus 802

I guess ol' Gaffney thinks that telling people not to keep dogs as pets is a seditious act.

None of it makes sense. Well, it does make sense when we see who's making these pronouncements. Gaffney's a lunatic.

What if you accidentally practice Sharia? Is being a cat person seditious? What if you accidentally happen to pray five times in one day? What if you give a guy on the street some spare change? Ignorance of the law that's against the law is no excuse!!!!

29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:41:34pm

re: #24 SanFranciscoZionist

We need some stocks at them courthouses!

30 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:42:02pm

re: #22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Okay, Everybody together now!

HOW DO YOU SOLVE A PROBLEM LIKE SHARIAAAaaa?!
How do you hold a (crescent) MOOOoonbeam in your haaand...

You're not a well man.

I think CL was saying she wanted to have a cat named Sharia so she can scream "Sharia! Sharia!" from her porch LOL

31 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:42:03pm

re: #22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Okay, Everybody together now!

HOW DO YOU SOLVE A PROBLEM LIKE SHARIAAAaaa?!
How do you hold a (crescent) MOOOoonbeam in your haaand...



Sharia! Sharia! I just met a girl named Sharia!

32 garhighway  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:42:58pm

re: #22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Okay, Everybody together now!

HOW DO YOU SOLVE A PROBLEM LIKE SHARIAAAaaa?!
How do you hold a (crescent) MOOOoonbeam in your haaand...

Shaaa-ri-ah! I just met a guy who does Sha-ri-ah!

And suddenly that name
will make me go insane

etc...

33 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:43:03pm

re: #30 marjoriemoon

You're not a well man.

I think CL was saying she wanted to have a cat named Sharia so she can scream "Sharia! Sharia!" from her porch LOL

But calling for Sharia is seditious!!

//

34 albusteve  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:43:54pm

for someone who only grudgingly observes the speed limits, Sharia will have no influence on me...and the threat that it might is absurd...another trumped up gremlin and waste of time

35 Kragar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:44:08pm

Evangelicals should be prosecuted for undermining the Constitution.
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36 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:44:08pm

Seriously. The world is blowing up all around, and Frank Gaffney wants me to worry about...what exactly?

37 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:44:30pm

re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist

Seriously. The world is blowing up all around, and Frank Gaffney wants me to worry about...what exactly?

Muslims.

38 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:45:12pm

re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist


Sharia! Sharia! I just met a girl named Sharia!

Shari- HEEE-eee-eee-yah
Shari- HEEE-eee-eee-yah, I love you!

39 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:45:28pm

re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist

Seriously. The world is blowing up all around, and Frank Gaffney wants me to worry about...what exactly?

ROFL I'm sorry, but that was srsly funny.

Who's Frank Gaffney again??

40 Gus  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:45:32pm

re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist

Seriously. The world is blowing up all around, and Frank Gaffney wants me to worry about...what exactly?

Dog ownership, funeral prayers, fasting, marriage arrangements, etc.

Allegedly.

41 albusteve  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:46:23pm

re: #39 marjoriemoon

ROFL I'm sorry, but that was srsly funny.

Who's Frank Gaffney again??

some guy with less cred than Bugs Bunny

42 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:46:34pm

What has to be really outlawed are those big tent meetings where the Muslimic speaker claims to heal people.

Oh wait...

43 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:46:42pm

Didn't the Kinks sing about Sharia?

Ooh my little pretty one, pretty one.
When you gonna give me some time, Sharia?
Ooh you make my motor run, my motor run.
Gun it comin' off the line Sharia
Never gonna stop, give it up.
Such a dirty mind. Always get it up for the touch
of the younger kind. My my my i yi woo. M M M My Sharia...
//

44 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:46:53pm

re: #37 Varek Raith

Muslims.

Eh, it's a step up. Growing up, I had to worry that there was a commie hiding under my bed, in the closet, and in every shadow.

/

45 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:47:02pm

re: #35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Evangelicals should be prosecuted for undermining the Constitution.
///

You could make a very strong case for that, using the same tactics that are being applied in the ongoing case of Wingnuts vs. Creeping Sharia.

It would also be stupid, but the point would remain the same.

"I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution," Huckabee told a Michigan audience on Monday. "But I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that's what we need to do -- to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view."

Please imagine Keith Ellison making a statement like this from a Muslim standpoint. Then cover your ears.

46 Darlington  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:47:07pm

re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist
The fact that he thinks that this is the most important issue in the world today says more about him than anything else...

47 Gus  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:47:22pm

re: #35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Evangelicals should be prosecuted for undermining the Constitution.
///

The wearing of "magic underwear" shall be considered a seditious act!

//

48 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:47:36pm

Take a letter, Sharia... Address it to my wife...

49 Interesting Times  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:48:29pm

re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist

You could make a very strong case for that, using the same tactics that are being applied in the ongoing case of Wingnuts vs. Creeping Sharia.

It would also be stupid, but the point would remain the same.

"I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution," Huckabee told a Michigan audience on Monday. "But I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that's what we need to do -- to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view."

Please imagine Keith Ellison making a statement like this from a Muslim standpoint. Then cover your ears.

Enhanced.

50 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:48:44pm

re: #43 HoosierHoops

Didn't the Kinks sing about Sharia?

Ooh my little pretty one, pretty one.
When you gonna give me some time, Sharia?
Ooh you make my motor run, my motor run.
Gun it comin' off the line Sharia
Never gonna stop, give it up.
Such a dirty mind. Always get it up for the touch
of the younger kind. My my my i yi woo. M M My Sharia...
//

That was actually The Knack.

51 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:48:46pm

There is a hidden undertone to all this that is not at all funny: the fundamentalist religious right sees our nation as being favored by God because our laws reflect God's law (or at least their interpretation of it) and by allowing Allah's laws to creep in would move us farther from God's grace and eventually cause our downfall.

These people are willing to fight tooth and nail to keep that from happening...

52 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:48:54pm

re: #48 makeitstop

Take a letter, Sharia... Address it to my wife...

Everybody loves Sharia Sometimes...

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:49:40pm

re: #40 Gus 802

Dog ownership, funeral prayers, fasting, marriage arrangements, etc.

Allegedly.

I'm in favor of all of those, as long as the parties to the marriage are agreeable.

54 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:49:47pm

re: #50 makeitstop

That was actually The Knack.

I got the K right at least...

55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:50:16pm

re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist

Honestly? There are times (as a Christian) where the same types of thoughts enter my mind.

Then, I take those thoughts and really think of what my mind just thought.

It fixes itself if you have ANY inner dialogue with yourself.

56 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:51:04pm

re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist


Cut him a bit of a break, at least he is for changing the Constituion through established mechanisms and not just ignoring/violating those aspects of the Constitution he does not agree with, which seems to be the approach of many Dominionists/Sovereignist/etceterists...

57 Gus  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:51:16pm

re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm in favor of all of those, as long as the parties to the marriage are agreeable.

I don't care what most people do as long as they're quiet, don't slam their doors, don't liter, etc.

58 iossarian  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:51:46pm

re: #55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Honestly? There are times (as a Christian) where the same types of thoughts enter my mind.

Then, I take those thoughts and really think of what my mind just thought.

It fixes itself if you have ANY inner dialogue with yourself.

Do voices in your head count?

59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:51:47pm

re: #57 Gus 802

Ugh... metric....

60 Gus  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:51:53pm

Litter Litter Litter Litter

61 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:52:13pm

re: #56 ralphieboy

Cut him a bit of a break, at least he is for changing the Constituion through established mechanisms and not just ignoring/violating those aspects of the Constitution he does not agree with, which seems to be the approach of many Dominionists/Sovereignist/etceterists...

And just whose "established mechanisms" should we go by?

Just to be a shit disturber, I'm going with Muslim.

62 Gus  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:52:39pm

re: #59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ugh... metric...

Yeah. One of these days I'll be perfect like everyone else.

//

63 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:52:46pm

re: #58 iossarian

Only if they agree with me.

64 garhighway  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:53:08pm

I always thought Sharia Twain was pretty hot.

it would be a shame to clothe her in a burka.

Does thinking that make me a bad person?

65 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:53:22pm

re: #56 ralphieboy

Cut him a bit of a break, at least he is for changing the Constituion through established mechanisms and not just ignoring/violating those aspects of the Constitution he does not agree with, which seems to be the approach of many Dominionists/Sovereignist/etceterists...

And how biblical should we go? He has stoning in his bible too. Multiple wives. Lots of stuff that might have fit in the ancient world, but doesn't fit here.

I'm pretty shocked at your statement, quite frankly.

66 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:54:21pm
67 albusteve  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:54:24pm

re: #65 marjoriemoon

And how biblical should we go? He has stoning in his bible too. Multiple wives. Lots of stuff that might have fit in the ancient world, but doesn't fit here.

I'm pretty shocked at your statement, quite frankly.

I agree with the post entirely...what's shocking?

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:56:48pm

re: #56 ralphieboy

Cut him a bit of a break, at least he is for changing the Constituion through established mechanisms and not just ignoring/violating those aspects of the Constitution he does not agree with, which seems to be the approach of many Dominionists/Sovereignist/etceterists...

I'm not slamming Huckabee with this quote--this time--although it does alarm me.

Just pointing out that if you were going to try to prove the sneaky and anti-American intent of Protestants, the same way these folks are trying to prove it about Muslims, you would have an absolute barrage of ammunition.

69 Henchman Ghazi-808  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:57:26pm

re: #3 Charles

Yikes.

[Link: twitter.com...]

ALL CAPZ FO TROOTH!

70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:57:30pm

re: #52 HoosierHoops

That one pissed excellence.

71 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:58:53pm

re: #61 marjoriemoon

And just whose "established mechanisms" should we go by?

Just to be a shit disturber, I'm going with Muslim.


We have changed and amended the US Constitution before, but changes/amendments have to be ratified by two-thirds of all the states, I believe.

Not that I favor Huckabee's goals, at least he is not just for ignoring or violating those laws he does not agree with because he does not find them in accordance with his concept of "God's laws"

72 haavamaal  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 12:59:11pm

Gaffney is a joke as is most of his organization (if not all). They are to be taken as seriously as we should take any radical. I think the point most miss is that any law, religion, or belief taken to its extreme is a bad and dangerous thing. It's quite unfortunate that the media always play pundit to the extremest and not the thinking person.

73 Gus  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:00:47pm

Everything I disagree with is seditious!

//

74 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:01:00pm

I hear they drink water and eat food in Iran. Therefore, water and food are bad.

75 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:01:35pm

re: #74 Fozzie Bear

And they hold elections there...

76 recusancy  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:02:52pm
77 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:03:25pm

I just dropped this on Facebook.

If you are one of the people seriously concerned that Muslim Sharia law may take over the American Constitution in America? Relax. It won't. And if you really are afraid of this "eventuality, unless we do something about it NOW!"? Please remove me as one of your Facebook friends. Nothing personal. Just un-friend me. You don't even have to tell me.

Maybe this will flush the nutjob friends out.

78 Gus  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:03:33pm

re: #74 Fozzie Bear

I hear they drink water and eat food in Iran. Therefore, water and food are bad.

...

Hitler was a vegetarian. Therefore all vegetarians are little Hitlers!

//WingnutGodwin

79 albusteve  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:03:35pm

chopping off heads is already illegal in every state...what else is there to fear?

80 haavamaal  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:03:41pm

re: #76 recusancy

I wonder how many are legal. Is ACORN involved?

81 RadicalModerate  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:03:50pm

I wonder if Frank Gaffney thinks that Blue Laws as written and enforced in the United States should be considered seditious?

82 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:04:19pm

re: #81 RadicalModerate

I wonder if Frank Gaffney thinks that Blue Laws as written and enforced in the United States should be considered seditious?

Of course not. They're not Shariiiiiaaaaaahhhh!!!!!

83 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:04:35pm

re: #79 albusteve

chopping off heads is already illegal in every state...what else is there to fear?

So is killing your wife or daughter because you don't like their clothes. Or they talked back. Or they want to get a job.

All illegal.

84 haavamaal  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:04:57pm

re: #81 RadicalModerate

I wonder if Frank Gaffney thinks that Blue Laws as written and enforced in the United States should be considered seditious?

I think they are. In Texas I can't get a beer until noon on Sunday. That should be a crime.

85 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:05:17pm

re: #81 RadicalModerate

I wonder if Frank Gaffney thinks that Blue Laws as written and enforced in the United States should be considered seditious?

Huh.

Virginia
Hunting on Sunday is illegal, except for raccoons which may be pursued until 2 a.m.
86 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:05:25pm

re: #81 RadicalModerate

I wonder if Frank Gaffney thinks that Blue Laws as written and enforced in the United States should be considered seditious?

Again, it's not the separation of church and state thing that bothers them, it is the threat of a union of the "wrong" church and state that gets their knickers all in a twist.

87 Gus  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:05:41pm

re: #79 albusteve

chopping off heads is already illegal in every state...what else is there to fear?

That's because if we make a special law the next enraged lunatic will think twice before chopping off his wife's head. "Hmm, I better not chop her head off. It's against the law."

//

88 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:05:45pm

Although, if someone wants to look for female suppression, what about those Christian groups that advocate that women should be completely submissive to a dominate male? (Father, husband, etc.)

89 haavamaal  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:06:50pm

re: #88 Emmmieg

The radicals in all religions think that. Well the major ones anyway.

90 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:11:45pm

re: #71 ralphieboy

We have changed and amended the US Constitution before, but changes/amendments have to be ratified by two-thirds of all the states, I believe.

Not that I favor Huckabee's goals, at least he is not just for ignoring or violating those laws he does not agree with because he does not find them in accordance with his concept of "God's laws".

He doesn't have to be interested in breaking the law to be the wacko that he is. Amendments to the Constitution aren't taken out of the Bible. I mean, there may be things there that are part of our law that are based on the 10 commandments (murder, thievery, etc.). There's probably not such a fine line between justice and morality, but it's not a road we should go down and anyone who throws religion into the mix in this country should be eyed very skeptically.

91 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:12:12pm

Here's another point against the nutjobs: Which Sharia are they talking about?

Seriously, there are 8-9 large distinct groups.

92 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:12:20pm

re: #67 albusteve

I agree with the post entirely...what's shocking?

I don't like religion in my politics. My beliefs are my own and very different than the majority.

93 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:12:34pm

Sedition charges? Not gonna happen

Brandenberg v Ohio 1969

94 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:15:22pm

re: #88 Emmmieg

Although, if someone wants to look for female suppression, what about those Christian groups that advocate that women should be completely submissive to a dominate male? (Father, husband, etc.)

Oh that's much different.

95 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:17:00pm

re: #90 marjoriemoon

I am just giving him a (teensy) bit of credit for not advocating what a lot of Dominionist whackos out there want to do, which is to abolish the Consitution outright and replace it with the Ten Commandments.

96 Gus  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:21:17pm

Almost 100. OT anyway...

Psyhcos on Twitter:

@JIDF David
. @IDFspokesperson - #March15 - a great day to carpetbomb the enemy. #gaza #israel "#palestine" #islam #jihad

97 I Am Kreniigh!  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:23:03pm

Gaffney don't like it,
Rock the sharia,
Rock the sharia.

98 haavamaal  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:23:47pm

re: #97 Kreniigh

Gaffney don't like it,
Rock the sharia,
Rock the sharia.

Love the Clash!!!!!

99 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:25:35pm

re: #96 Gus 802

Almost 100. OT anyway...

Psyhcos on Twitter:

@JIDF David
. @IDFspokesperson - #March15 - a great day to carpetbomb the enemy. #gaza #israel "#palestine" #islam #jihad

JIDF is an openly Kahanist (i.e. fascist) org.

100 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:26:22pm

re: #91 ProLifeLiberal

Also, I distinctly remember seeing that alot of the Theological friction in the Muslim World is between the Hanafi's (the light Green on the map, there's alot of it, and the Salafi's (Concentrated in the Arab areas, especially the Peninsula). Suffice to say, I'm on the Hanafi side of the issue.

101 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:27:44pm

I wonder how long it's going to be before these jerks bring back The Alien and Sedition Acts.

102 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:30:46pm

re: #95 ralphieboy

I am just giving him a (teensy) bit of credit for not advocating what a lot of Dominionist whackos out there want to do, which is to abolish the Consitution outright and replace it with the Ten Commandments.

I just don't see that "gimmee". Mostly because he's not so far off from the other and I think if he got his wish, the next move would down a Christian road. No offense to Christians, but I'm not one.

103 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:32:32pm

re: #102 marjoriemoon

I just don't see that "gimmee". Mostly because he's not so far off from the other and I think if he got his wish, the next move would down a Christian road. No offense to Christians, but I'm not one.

I should probably make it clear, it's not a Christian thing for me. I wouldn't want any religion in my politics, even my own (Jewish).

104 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:34:54pm

re: #103 marjoriemoon

I should probably make it clear, it's not a Christian thing for me. I wouldn't want any religion in my politics, even my own (Jewish).

Besides, a Jewish version of Sharia would be freaking annoying on the Sabbath.

105 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:35:47pm

re: #101 Romantic Heretic

I wonder how long it's going to be before these jerks bring back The Alien and Sedition Acts.

I know Mcheal Savage called for bringing it back, back when W was still in the White House.

106 thecommodore  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:46:54pm

And Sharia Law is being practiced where, Frank?

If Frank were to answer honestly you'd here this:

*crickets*

More to the fundamental point of this whole Sharia Law paranoia, it is indeed "antithetical to our Constitution," as is the application or enforcement of any religious law, according to the FIRST FREAKIN' AMENDMENT!

But...it could be applied. You know?

107 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:10:55pm

re: #106 thecommodore

And Sharia Law is being practiced where, Frank?

If Frank were to answer honestly you'd here this:

*crickets*

More to the fundamental point of this whole Sharia Law paranoia, it is indeed "antithetical to our Constitution," as is the application or enforcement of any religious law, according to the FIRST FREAKIN' AMENDMENT!

But...it could be applied. You know?

Actually, Sharia being applied every time a Muslim eats halal food, makes ablutions, prays, gives zakat (charity), does a good deed, fasts, etc.

That's what they want to outlaw—the practice of Islam. It would be the same as outlawing halacha.

108 dragonfire1981  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:11:17pm

I think we should work harder at giving Muslims more reasons to NOT blow us up.

109 martinsmithy  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:14:29pm

Occasionally I hear some nutter whining about "sharia compliant finance," in other words, a way to structure a financial deal that doesn't involve interest. Since it still involves the financier making a profit and getting collateral, I then ask the nutter what the problem is. And I don't get an answer, other than muttering, in response.

110 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:38:39pm

re: #85 Varek Raith

Huh.

Reminiscent of the anti-moose hunting laws in upstate New York; prohibited on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and especially Saturdays.

111 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 3:25:35pm

re: #108 dragonfire1981

I think we should work harder at giving Muslims more reasons to NOT blow us up.

Which reasons have we given any "Muslims" to blow us up? If you think this asshole in the OP is a reason, I question your sanity.

112 Michael McBacon  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 11:08:04pm

re: #99 Sergey Romanov

JIDF is an openly Kahanist (i.e. fascist) org.

Slightly off-topic: Last year I mentioned the JIDF's ties to the JDL on Twitter and how that was a major reason why I stopped supporting them. Sure enough, "David Appletree" e-mailed me, claiming I was engaging in "Twitter defamation" and denied any support for Meir Kahane/the JDL.

Funny how they have quite a few Kahane quotes on their website...


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