NPR on James O’Keefe’s Latest Edited Smear Video

Why does anyone still jump when fraudster James O’Keefe yells ‘Boo?’
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NPR’s Morning Edition has a piece on admitted criminal James O’Keefe’s latest deceptively edited sting video: Elements Of NPR Gotcha Video Taken Out Of Context.

The only mystery here is why anyone still reacts to these ugly right wing hit jobs by firing the targets and issuing apologies, then having to backtrack when the hit jobs are revealed to be frauds. This is far from the first time James O’Keefe’s scam videos have been shown to be deliberately misleading.

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1 Kragar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:07:36pm

So the guy whose career was made on selling editted tapes is still producing editted tapes.

What are the odds?

2 recusancy  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:07:56pm

Chris Wallace made him the power player of the week on Fox Sunday. He only mentioned in passing that he O’Keef “has had problems”.

3 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:08:09pm

Bill Moyers weighs in:

[Link: www.consortiumnews.com…]

4 albusteve  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:08:21pm

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So the guy whose career was made on selling editted tapes is still producing editted tapes.

What are the odds?

it’s a steep learning curve

5 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:09:49pm

How wonderful. Except NPR is about a week late and a CEO short, at this point. Maybe, just maybe, next time O’Keefe comes out with one of his hatchet job videos, people won’t immediately react as if it shows the targets eating babies. I won’t hold my breath, though. Meh.

6 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:10:17pm
The only mystery here is why anyone still reacts to these ugly right wing hit jobs by firing the targets and issuing apologies, then having to backtrack when the hit jobs are revealed to be frauds.

Because the media likes to print the allegations on the front page, then later print the retraction/correction on page A12.

7 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:10:31pm

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So the guy whose career was made on selling editted tapes is still producing editted tapes.

What are the odds?

Further more I am shocked that as soon as I walked into this brothel women started to offer to have sex with me for money!

8 Kragar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:11:05pm

re: #5 Simply Sarah

How wonderful. Except NPR is about a week late and a CEO short, at this point. Maybe, just maybe, next time O’Keefe comes out with one of his hatchet job videos, people won’t immediately react as if it shows the targets eating babies. I won’t hold my breath, though. Meh.

Between Fox and Breitbart, he’ll always have a buyer.

9 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:11:09pm

It says more about the standard to which modern American journalism has degenerated than anything else.

10 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:11:59pm

re: #8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Between Fox and Breitbart, he’ll always have a buyer.

He may have a buyer. That doesn’t mean people actually need to take his stuff seriously, though.

11 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:12:26pm

re: #6 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Because the media likes to print the allegations on the front page, then later print the retraction/correction on page A12.

That close to the front? Usually it’s on page D8 under the tide schedules.

12 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:14:14pm

re: #8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Between Fox and Breitbart, he’ll always have a buyer.

Thing is, O’Keefe doesn’t have to give it directly to them. He just posts it on Youtube, then drops a “tip” to them. Andy posts it on his front page while Fox News runs with it at the top of the hour, the video goes viral, and by the time anybody wonders if there’s more to it, it’s already the gospel truth.

13 albusteve  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:14:32pm

re: #9 ralphieboy

It says more about the standard to which modern American journalism has degenerated than anything else.

TV news wants to entertain me, that’s fine but in doing so it’s lost all credibility regarding fair and balanced…I just have no respect for anyone selling themselves off to join a dog and pony show…don’t expect me to take you seriously…I hate the MSM

14 Stan the Demanded Plan  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:14:35pm

re: #3 Fozzie Bear

Bill Moyers weighs in:

[Link: www.consortiumnews.com…]

Excellent commentary, thanks for posting.

15 albusteve  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:15:32pm

re: #10 Simply Sarah

He may have a buyer. That doesn’t mean people actually need to take his stuff seriously, though.

the eternal question…how many people actually believe this tripe?

16 Kragar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:15:56pm

re: #12 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Thing is, O’Keefe doesn’t have to give it directly to them. He just posts it on Youtube, then drops a “tip” to them. Andy posts it on his front page while Fox News runs with it at the top of the hour, the video goes viral, and by the time anybody wonders if there’s more to it, it’s already the gospel truth.

And then come the guest appearances and the speaking gigs for being the “brave undercover activist”.

17 recusancy  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:16:27pm

re: #3 Fozzie Bear

Bill Moyers weighs in:

[Link: www.consortiumnews.com…]

Also Ira Glass [Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

18 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:17:02pm

re: #17 recusancy

Also Ira Glass [Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

Ah, I was about to mention Ira, but you beat me to finding a link.

19 webevintage  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:18:54pm

WHO COULD HAVE KNOWN!!!!!!!!
/

20 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:19:26pm

Ira Glass is probably my favorite journalist alive today.

21 Kragar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:20:47pm

And apparently O’Keefe is the head of a “non-profit” organization. I wonder how much his salary comes in at?

James O’Keefe

James O’Keefe, 26, is an investigative journalist and filmmaker. He is president of Project Veritas, a non-profit organization dedicated to training video muckrakers nationwide. James’ investigations expose corruption and malfeasance in major taxpayer-funded institutions, including ACORN, Planned Parenthood, the U.S. Census Bureau, and elected officials. His most recent expose featured the New Jersey teachers union and was hailed by N.J. Governor Chris Christie as “enlightening and enraging.”

James is most well-known for his 2009 ACORN investigation, which exposed systematic corruption in multiple offices, such as the facilitation of child prostitution, human trafficking, and tax evasion. The U.S. House and Senate promptly voted to defund ACORN and the U.S. Census cut ties with the group. The organization was ultimately forced to disband.

In addition to his own reporting, James is committed to empowering the next generation of citizen journalists. From student newspaper editors to bloggers to video producers, enterprising young reporters across the country look to James for inspiration, advice, and encouragement.

22 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:20:52pm

re: #14 Stanley Sea

Excellent commentary, thanks for posting.

This part should have read “state and church” for editorial is the state and finance is the church.

The “separation of church and state” — the classic division of editorial and finance — has been one of the glories of public radio as it has won a large and respectful audience as the place on the radio spectrum that is free of commercials and commercial values.

23 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:21:06pm

OT, but important.

We just checked our emergency kits. Have you checked yours?

24 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:21:07pm

re: #20 Fozzie Bear

Ira Glass is probably my favorite journalist alive today.

I know what you mean, but I think it would mean more if there weren’t so few real journalists (Well known ones, at least) alive today.

25 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:22:34pm

re: #22 Romantic Heretic

re: #3 Fozzie Bear

Bill Moyers weighs in:

[Link: www.consortiumnews.com…]

Oops. This is the post I meant to reply to.

PIMF.

26 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:22:42pm

re: #24 Simply Sarah

I know what you mean, but I think it would mean more if there weren’t so few real journalists (Well known ones, at least) alive today.

Agreed. It would be nice if Ira Glass was simply a member of a large group of competent journalists. Alas, he’s one of very few excellent ones.

27 Kragar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:23:29pm

re: #23 EmmmieG

OT, but important.

We just checked our emergency kits. Have you checked yours?

Doing it this week.

On the bright side, I know which of my neighbors is collecting gold coins and hybrid seeds and I know I can take him in a fight.

28 webevintage  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:23:29pm

re: #20 Fozzie Bear

Ira Glass is probably my favorite journalist alive today.

I love his show.
i think my favorite though was the one where he talked about the OC and then he and the audience sang the theme song.
Silly, it was so touching.

And thew shows he has done on the financial meltdown were really great.

29 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:24:26pm

I feel I should also note that Bill Moyers is excellent too. Both of public broadcasting fame.

30 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:26:01pm

re: #29 Fozzie Bear

I feel I should also note that Bill Moyers is excellent too. Both of public broadcasting fame.

Yeah, but Moyers doesn’t quite have the mesmerizing voice that Glass has.
/

31 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:26:13pm

OT: I really hate the way Facebook alters links to external sites to use its own redirect page, effectively making it impossible to see what Facebook page is linking to you. We have a fair amount of referrals coming in from Facebook to the Frank Gaffney post, but they’re all from the Facebook redirect page.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

32 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:26:29pm

re: #28 webevintage

And thew shows he has done on the financial meltdown were really great.

I have yet to see any other outlet cover the financial meltdown in the depth This American Life did. It was simply the best analysis I have ever seen on the issue. I haven’t seen a single treatment of the subject in the MSM that didn’t at best omit much, and at worst get it horribly wrong.

33 recusancy  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:27:00pm

re: #29 Fozzie Bear

I feel I should also note that Bill Moyers is excellent too. Both of public broadcasting fame.

Moyers is a partisan though.

34 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:27:20pm

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Doing it this week.

On the bright side, I know which of my neighbors is collecting gold coins and hybrid seeds and I know I can take him in a fight.

I sincerely hope none of our neighbors come here looking for gold coins. As for seeds, they’ll find more in the ruins of the local grocery store.

We discovered that only the youngest son and the oldest son would have had the extra underwear.

Nobody would have toothbrushes.

I suppose that while you are running from the apocalypse, brushing your teeth is not your top priority, but since it’s far more likely you’ll be sheltering at the latest school after some horrid storm, we’ll pack them.

35 albusteve  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:27:35pm

he who controls Facebook, rules the World

36 Kragar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:27:39pm

re: #31 Charles

OT: I really hate the way Facebook alters links to external sites to use its own redirect page, effectively making it impossible to see what Facebook page is linking to you. We have a fair amount of referrals coming in from Facebook to the Frank Gaffney post, but they’re all from the Facebook redirect page.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Facebook is of the Devil.

37 Stan the Demanded Plan  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:28:02pm

re: #28 webevintage

I love his show.
i think my favorite though was the one where he talked about the OC and then he and the audience sang the theme song.
Silly, it was so touching.

And thew shows he has done on the financial meltdown were really great.

The meltdown shows were extremely educating. I actually re-listened to them on podcasts to refresh my memory.

38 dmon  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:28:36pm

Ohio Governor Kasich upside down in poll.

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

39 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:29:22pm

Here’s that Ira Glass interview as embedded audio:

40 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:30:45pm

re: #13 albusteve

TV news wants to entertain me, that’s fine but in doing so it’s lost all credibility regarding fair and balanced…I just have no respect for anyone selling themselves off to join a dog and pony show…don’t expect me to take you seriously…I hate the MSM

It does not want to entertain you, it wants to gain your attention so it can hand you over to its paid sponsors.

We still labor under the impression that programming is the “product” and that we viewers are the “customers”.

Gotta remember that the product the networks sell is not programming but advertising time. Programming is just there to make their product more attractive to their customers, the advertisers.

41 Kragar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:32:44pm

re: #34 EmmmieG

I sincerely hope none of our neighbors come here looking for gold coins. As for seeds, they’ll find more in the ruins of the local grocery store.

We discovered that only the youngest son and the oldest son would have had the extra underwear.

Nobody would have toothbrushes.

I suppose that while you are running from the apocalypse, brushing your teeth is not your top priority, but since it’s far more likely you’ll be sheltering at the latest school after some horrid storm, we’ll pack them.

We’ve got one of my old seabags gathing dust in the closet which we packed with some changes of clothing, boots and other wearable stuff, and my mountain pack filled with various survival gear, thermal blankets, glow sticks, first aid kits, etc. We need to restock and refresh our water and food supplies though.

42 recusancy  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:32:50pm

re: #39 Charles

Here’s that Ira Glass interview as embedded audio:

[Video]

His challenge: “Go through this morning’s ‘Morning Edition’ and find me even a sentence that smells like political bias to you,” he said. “Like find one.”

43 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:32:57pm

re: #40 ralphieboy

Yep. WE are the product.

Any time someone offers you a product or service for free, you aren’t the customer. You are on the other end of the equation.

44 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:33:25pm

re: #38 dmon

Ohio Governor Kasich upside down in poll.

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

The GOP may have won the battle, but they could very well lose the war. Last thing they need right now is to galvanize the Dems while souring approval ratings amongst independent voters. But that’s what they seem to be doing with these attacks on union voters.

45 Gus  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:33:31pm

It was rather clear to me that the video was edited upon my first viewing. Of course that didn’t stop the reactionaries from, reacting.

46 albusteve  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:33:49pm

re: #40 ralphieboy

It does not want to entertain you, it wants to gain your attention so it can hand you over to its paid sponsors.

We still labor under the impression that programming is the “product” and that we viewers are the “customers”.

Gotta remember that the product the networks sell is not programming but advertising time. Programming is just there to make their product more attractive to their customers, the advertisers.

I admit that during football season, I get pummeled with beer and car commercials, which I don’t buy….as for the rest, I could care less

47 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:33:51pm

re: #39 Charles

Here’s that Ira Glass interview as embedded audio:

[Video]

I got to listen to that on Saturday while spending about 20 minutes trying to find somewhere to park at the mall. I’m honestly not sure if it helped or hurt my mood there…

48 Gus  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:34:04pm

And let me add that plenty of Lizards “fell for it” too.

49 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:34:41pm

re: #43 Fozzie Bear


When they are offering you someting for “free”, they are generally after information about your consumer preferences, which is the product that they sell to marketing comapnies

50 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:35:11pm

re: #40 ralphieboy

It does not want to entertain you, it wants to gain your attention so it can hand you over to its paid sponsors.

We still labor under the impression that programming is the “product” and that we viewers are the “customers”.

Gotta remember that the product the networks sell is not programming but advertising time. Programming is just there to make their product more attractive to their customers, the advertisers.

I’m still a little freaked out that I visited the website of one of a certain tourist attraction, and now half my ads are for that website.

I didn’t visit the facebook page.

(Although both that site and this are currently trying to sell me precious metals. Honestly, does anyone in northern Japan currently wish they had bought gold? No, they wish they had water purification tablets and a generator. Or, if they are in Sendai, they just want anything at all.)

51 recusancy  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:35:14pm

re: #49 ralphieboy

When they are offering you someting for “free”, they are generally after information about your consumer preferences, which is the product that they sell to marketing comapnies

Like Facebook or Blogs

52 Kragar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:35:21pm

re: #35 albusteve

he who controls Facebook, rules the World

I will make them bow before me with my mastery of animated gif files

Image: 88274a3d-3348-447e-88e6-bad3880d2967.gif

53 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:35:30pm

re: #49 ralphieboy

Or just your precious ogling eyeballs.

54 darthstar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:35:42pm

I’d love to see NPR reinstate Shiller. It would be a great ‘fuck you’ to the GOP and their hit-squad of Breitbarts and O’Keefes.

55 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:35:54pm

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Doing it this week.

On the bright side, I know which of my neighbors is collecting gold coins and hybrid seeds and I know I can take him in a fight.

Personally, I laugh at the hoarding of gold. If the government collapses, as they seem to think it will, then what is gold worth? Answer: What the other guy believes it’s worth. So you may sit on a pile gold coins to make Scrooge McDuck blush, but if the guys sitting on the water and food think gold is worthless, then you’re fraked.

56 darthstar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:36:50pm

re: #48 Gus 802

And let me add that plenty of Lizards “fell for it” too.

Only those who agree that NPR is some kind of Jihad-Fascist Glee Club.

57 Kragar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:37:22pm

re: #49 ralphieboy

When they are offering you someting for “free”, they are generally after information about your consumer preferences, which is the product that they sell to marketing comapnies

Or, they’re letting the customers produce their own content to keep themselves amused and selling advertising to companies, costing the hosting company very little in terms of actually creating content.

58 darthstar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:38:00pm

re: #42 recusancy

His challenge: “Go through this morning’s ‘Morning Edition’ and find me even a sentence that smells like political bias to you,” he said. “Like find one.”

I heard that on “On The Media” (a godless program that converts cheerleaders to homosexuality) on Saturday morning…I loved Ira’s challenge…

59 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:38:13pm

re: #15 albusteve

the eternal question…how many people actually believe this tripe?

Hard to tell. The ACORN and Planned Parenthood stuff wasn’t taken seriously by most people I know—but I could tell that the PP stuff seemed more important to my father, because being pro-life is one of his issues. He knew that there were issues with O’Keefe, but the whole thing still seemed to resonate with him.

I’m seeing a lot of pro-Israel activists I know respond pretty strongly to the NPR thing, and trying to explain the problems with O’Keefe’s work goes only so far.

I think he is effective, in certain circles, yes.

60 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:38:24pm

re: #55 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Personally, I laugh at the hoarding of gold. If the government collapses, as they seem to think it will, then what is gold worth? Answer: What the other guy believes it’s worth. So you may sit on a pile gold coins to make Scrooge McDuck blush, but if the guys sitting on the water and food think gold is worthless, then you’re fraked.

Right. It’s nonsense. It would have no value to most people in a total apocalyptic setting. Food, water, weapons, medical supplies, etc. are what would have value.

61 Gus  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:39:10pm

re: #56 darthstar

Only those who agree that NPR is some kind of Jihad-Fascist Glee Club.

Perhaps some. Most was based on a knee jerk reaction regarding Schiller believing what they heard in the edited video.

62 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:39:32pm

re: #59 SanFranciscoZionist

Hard to tell. The ACORN and Planned Parenthood stuff wasn’t taken seriously by most people I know—but I could tell that the PP stuff seemed more important to my father, because being pro-life is one of his issues. He knew that there were issues with O’Keefe, but the whole thing still seemed to resonate with him.

I’m seeing a lot of pro-Israel activists I know respond pretty strongly to the NPR thing, and trying to explain the problems with O’Keefe’s work goes only so far.

I think he is effective, in certain circles, yes.

And those certain circles appear to be enough to get sizable reactions, unfortunately.

63 Kragar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:40:31pm

re: #55 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Personally, I laugh at the hoarding of gold. If the government collapses, as they seem to think it will, then what is gold worth? Answer: What the other guy believes it’s worth. So you may sit on a pile gold coins to make Scrooge McDuck blush, but if the guys sitting on the water and food think gold is worthless, then you’re fraked.

The people who buy gold lack the fundamental economic reasoning that gold sellers have.

“Why do you want that worthless liquid asset that can be used freely when we can sell you this shiny object which requires you to find a buyer and follow market trends to see how much its worth any given day before you can really use it for anything?”

64 recusancy  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:41:08pm

re: #62 Simply Sarah

And those certain circles appear to be enough to get sizable reactions, unfortunately.

If someone starts a million little fights with you it’s easier to cave in on many of those battles than to constantly fight and be on the defensive.

65 albusteve  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:41:14pm

re: #60 Simply Sarah

Right. It’s nonsense. It would have no value to most people in a total apocalyptic setting. Food, water, weapons, medical supplies, etc. are what would have value.

my gold is worth almost five times what I paid for it…I didn’t buy it to trade for food, just investing against the future…this gold thing has gone too far, there is no apocalyptic aspect to it….it’s just a nice investment

66 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:41:30pm

re: #64 recusancy

If someone starts a million little fights with you it’s easier to cave in on many of those battles than to constantly fight and be on the defensive.

Have you been talking to my children?

67 Gus  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:41:46pm

And NPR of course reacted in haste as well. Now, Mr. Schiller is on his way to working for the Aspen Institute. Boneheads.

68 darthstar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:41:52pm

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And apparently O’Keefe is the head of a “non-profit” organization. I wonder how much his salary comes in at?

James O’Keefe

There’s a reason he’s listed as an “author” but you never see him actually write anything - the fucker’s an idiot who probably has a 6th grade writing ability.

69 darthstar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:42:35pm

re: #67 Gus 802

And NPR of course reacted in haste as well. Now, Mr. Schiller is on his way to working for the Aspen Institute. Boneheads.

And he’s been vindicated.

70 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:42:54pm

re: #65 albusteve

my gold is worth almost five times what I paid for it…I didn’t buy it to trade for food, just investing against the future…this gold thing has gone too far, there is no apocalyptic aspect to it…it’s just a nice investment

Well, for now. The gold market seems to be insanely overheated, though, and I wouldn’t be shocked if it experienced a significant drop at some point in the near to moderate future.

71 recusancy  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:43:00pm

re: #67 Gus 802

And NPR of course reacted in haste as well. Now, Mr. Schiller is on his way to working for the Aspen Institute. Boneheads.

He was on his way there before this even happened.

72 albusteve  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:43:02pm

re: #67 Gus 802

And NPR of course reacted in haste as well. Now, Mr. Schiller is on his way to working for the Aspen Institute. Boneheads.

a twofer if he’s a skier

73 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:43:12pm

re: #67 Gus 802

And NPR of course reacted in haste as well. Now, Mr. Schiller is on his way to working for the Aspen Institute. Boneheads.

No, he decided against taking that job. He’s currently unemployed.

74 Kragar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:43:22pm

re: #64 recusancy

If someone starts a million little fights with you it’s easier to cave in on many of those battles than to constantly fight and be on the defensive.

Of course, if you obliterate an opponent with an overwhelming response and crush them in full view of others, you can quite possibly head off a lot of those other fights.

75 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:43:35pm

re: #65 albusteve

my gold is worth almost five times what I paid for it…I didn’t buy it to trade for food, just investing against the future…this gold thing has gone too far, there is no apocalyptic aspect to it…it’s just a nice investment

Do you know what bugs me? When jewelry salesmen describe an engagement ring as an “investment”. You sell investments. Engagement rings are supposed to stay on one hand for decades. For that matter, any jilted fiance can tell you that the minute you walk out of the store, that ring just lost value.

Heirloom, now that I can handle. Lots of women are wearing rings worn by another woman first.

76 Gus  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:44:06pm

re: #73 RogueOne

No, he decided against taking that job. He’s currently unemployed.

OK Then there are conflicting reports. He needs to open a Twitter account. ;)

77 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:44:23pm

re: #75 EmmmieG

Including the soon-to-be Princess William. (Her actual future title.)

78 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:44:59pm

re: #73 RogueOne


Departed NPR exec won’t take Aspen Institute job
[Link: www.bizjournals.com…]

79 Slap  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:45:04pm

re: #73 RogueOne

lol….maybe he read the Yahoo article last week that named Aspen as the single most expensive city in the country — where the least expensive property listed was $559,000.

And it’s in a trailer park.

Woo-hoo!

80 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:46:06pm

re: #75 EmmmieG

Do you know what bugs me? When jewelry salesmen describe an engagement ring as an “investment”. You sell investments. Engagement rings are supposed to stay on one hand for decades. For that matter, any jilted fiance can tell you that the minute you walk out of the store, that ring just lost value.

Heirloom, now that I can handle. Lots of women are wearing rings worn by another woman first.

God, how many suckers are currently facing or in the middle of bankruptcy because they got tricked into “investing” in property at the tail-end of the housing boom?

81 Gus  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:46:30pm

Embattled NPR exec won’t take Aspen Institute post

ASPEN — Ron Schiller, the Aspen resident and National Public Radio fundraising executive who was caught on a surreptitious video bashing the Tea Party movement and suggesting public radio would be better off without federal dollars, on Wednesday resigned from what was to be his new post with the Aspen Institute.

Schiller had already resigned as president of the NPR Foundation and senior vice president of development, effective May 6, in order to take the Aspen Institute post. He made his NPR resignation effective Tuesday when controversy erupted over comments he made in made in the undercover video. Conservatives called the video proof that the network is biased and undeserving of federal funds.

On Wednesday, NPR President and CEO Vivian Schiller (the two are unrelated), also resigned over the flap, and Ron Schiller announced he would forego his position at the Aspen Institute…

82 Kragar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:48:23pm

re: #75 EmmmieG

Do you know what bugs me? When jewelry salesmen describe an engagement ring as an “investment”. You sell investments. Engagement rings are supposed to stay on one hand for decades. For that matter, any jilted fiance can tell you that the minute you walk out of the store, that ring just lost value.

Heirloom, now that I can handle. Lots of women are wearing rings worn by another woman first.


The 6 Most Cynical Exploitations of Romantic Love in History - The Invention of the Diamond Ring as a Requirement for Marriage

Until the 1930s, there were actual laws on the books guaranteeing a woman’s right to sue her fiance if he jilted her before the wedding day. The reason for these “Breach of Promise to Marry” laws was that even back in the day, most girls gave up their virginity during their engagements, and if they were dumped, their hoo-hahs were clearly damaged goods. The law sort of acted as a warning to cads considering seducing virgins and bailing before making honest women of them. And once those laws were abolished, women found themselves without financial protection from horny con men.


Is there any other kind?

Enter the diamond ring and diamond syndicate De Beers. Huge, expensive diamond rings offered women an expensive symbol that the man wasn’t just proposing marriage to get his willy wet. The more expensive the ring, the more your gal’s virginity was worth. Which worked out pretty well for De Beers, which went balls-out manipulating the shit out of public opinion:

“We are dealing with a problem in mass psychology. We seek to … strengthen the tradition of the diamond engagement ring — to make it a psychological necessity capable of competing successfully at the retail level with utility goods and services …”

83 darthstar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:50:47pm

re: #72 albusteve

a twofer if he’s a skier

Speaking of which…I had a couple of good days last Thursday/Friday…but when I finally did decide to pose for a picture, I got called on the radio to respond to an injured skier report:
Image: patrolday.jpg

84 jc717  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:52:19pm

Proving once again that Matt and Trey were right all along in Team America World Police: Lefties are pussies.
The proper response would have been:

“James O’Keef is a proven charlatan and liar. Nothing to see here, please move along.”

85 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:52:43pm

re: #83 darthstar

You look perfect for radio!

86 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:52:56pm

I think it’s fascinating that someone who works for Glenn Beck’s The Blaze pseudo-news site actually had qualms about the O’Keefe video. Somebody must have slipped up in the hiring process.

87 albusteve  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:53:20pm

re: #83 darthstar

Speaking of which…I had a couple of good days last Thursday/Friday…but when I finally did decide to pose for a picture, I got called on the radio to respond to an injured skier report:
Image: patrolday.jpg

looks beautiful…just passed my third year of no skiing, and it’s a hell of an itch

88 darthstar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:54:11pm

re: #85 RogueOne

You look perfect for radio!

Yeah, but check out the new flusher I put on my guest bathroom toilet.

It was a gift from my mother in law…I love it.

89 albusteve  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:55:58pm

re: #88 darthstar

Yeah, but check out the new flusher I put on my guest bathroom toilet.

It was a gift from my mother in law…I love it.

why is the seat up?…do you have no sense of propriety?

90 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:56:21pm

re: #84 jc717

Proving once again that Matt and Trey were right all along in Team America World Police: Lefties are pussies.
The proper response would have been:

“James O’Keef is a proven charlatan and liar. Nothing to see here, please move along.”

Yeah, but when you’re got Congressmen who think you’re only one step above Soviet-era Pravda and have a hard-on for cutting funding to anything that isn’t funding them in return, then you tend to get nervous when one of your own is caught saying dumb things in front of a camera…even if he wasn’t.

91 darthstar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:56:27pm

re: #87 albusteve

looks beautiful…just passed my third year of no skiing, and it’s a hell of an itch

That’s the top of “Expert Shortcut” - the little bamboo behind me marks a nice cliff. It’s a fun little run - only about 600 feet of vertical, but it’s about 38 degrees in pitch all the way down…

92 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:56:36pm

re: #86 Charles

I think it’s fascinating that someone who works for Glenn Beck’s The Blaze pseudo-news site actually had qualms about the O’Keefe video. Somebody must have slipped up in the hiring process.

This someone worked closely with Breitbart, was behind breitbart.tv, worked for breitbart.com etc.

93 iceweasel  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:56:43pm

re: #56 darthstar

Only those who agree that NPR is some kind of Jihad-Fascist Glee Club.

upding for Jihad-Fascist Glee club.

the first rule of Jihad-Fascist Glee Club is that we DO NOT TALK about Jihad-Fascist Glee Club.

94 darthstar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:56:48pm

re: #89 albusteve

why is the seat up?…do you have no sense of propriety?

I’m a man. It’s the law.

95 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:56:58pm

re: #77 EmmmieG

Including the soon-to-be Princess William. (Her actual future title.)

I realize that this is absolutely none of my business, but it slightly creeps me out to see her wearing Diana’s ring. It seems a little cursed.

I also realize that William probably feels differently about his mother’s ring than a complete stranger who just reads about his family in People Magazine.

96 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:57:10pm

re: #86 Charles

I think it’s fascinating that someone who works for Glenn Beck’s The Blaze pseudo-news site actually had qualms about the O’Keefe video. Somebody must have slipped up in the hiring process.

Someone suggested that this could be some personal grudge. Does Breitbart still work with O’Keefe?

97 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:57:44pm

We are appaled by O’Keefe’s actions

Robert Siegel
Michele Norris
Melissa Block
Renee Montagne
Scott Simon
Liane Hansen
Guy Raz
Michel Martin
Neal Conan
Susan Stamberg
Nina Totenberg
Linda Wertheimer
Daniel Zwerdling
John Ydstie
Richard Harris
Tom Gjelten
Howard Berkes
Mike Shuster
Laura Sullivan
Lynn Neary
Jacki Lyden
Mara Liasson

Jeff In Ohio

98 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:57:52pm

re: #88 darthstar

Yeah, but check out the new flusher I put on my guest bathroom toilet.

It was a gift from my mother in law…I love it.

Ha! I like it, classes up the joint.

99 Gus  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:58:00pm

re: #84 jc717

Proving once again that Matt and Trey were right all along in Team America World Police: Lefties are pussies.
The proper response would have been:

“James O’Keef is a proven charlatan and liar. Nothing to see here, please move along.”

Moral of the story. If you want to get someone fired from NPR just put up any old fake and edited video that puts said NPR employee in a poor light.

100 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:58:03pm

re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist

I realize that this is absolutely none of my business, but it slightly creeps me out to see her wearing Diana’s ring. It seems a little cursed.

I also realize that William probably feels differently about his mother’s ring than a complete stranger who just reads about his family in People Magazine.

I kind of felt the same way, especially since lore has it that Diana picked out that one because “it was the biggest.”

101 darthstar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:58:25pm

Okay…meeting time…back in a while.

102 recusancy  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:58:26pm
103 garhighway  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:58:45pm

re: #93 iceweasel

upding for Jihad-Fascist Glee club.

Who would be the Sue Sylvester of the Jihad-Fascist Glee Club?

104 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:58:54pm

re: #82 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nowadays, the ring is actually collateral against all the deposits that the bride’s family have put down on a hall, caterers, the ridiculously expensive dress, etc.

105 recusancy  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 1:59:51pm

re: #104 EmmmieG

Nowadays, the ring is actually collateral against all the deposits that the bride’s family have put down on a hall, caterers, the ridiculously expensive dress, etc.

All of which is completely unnecessary.

106 iceweasel  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:00:41pm

re: #103 garhighway

Who would be the Sue Sylvester of the Jihad-Fascist Glee Club?

This is where I have to admit I haven’t ever seen Glee. :(

107 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:00:52pm

Off topic, but I wanted to write up a spiel on Libya. However, aside from the USS Enterprise (I think?, I know an Aircraft Carrier is nearby at the least), I’m not sure what other ships are in the area. Can someone provide this info please?

108 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:01:27pm

re: #5 Simply Sarah

How wonderful. Except NPR is about a week late and a CEO short, at this point. Maybe, just maybe, next time O’Keefe comes out with one of his hatchet job videos, people won’t immediately react as if it shows the targets eating babies. I won’t hold my breath, though. Meh.

This is why they invented “Gardening Leave”.

109 Kragar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:01:44pm

re: #104 EmmmieG

Nowadays, the ring is actually collateral against all the deposits that the bride’s family have put down on a hall, caterers, the ridiculously expensive dress, etc.

Don’t look at me. We got married at the Justice of the Peace in Onslow county, where the witnesses were the sheriff who just finished feeding the prisoners and the guy behind us in line who was there to pay off a parking ticket.

Then we went to Golden Corral.

110 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:01:47pm

re: #97 Jeff In Ohio

It’s nice these fine journalists took the time to be appalled instead of doing journalism.

111 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:01:55pm

OT -

Wisconsin State Senators Wife Signs Recall Petition……

[Link: nymag.com…]

112 Gus  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:02:08pm

Lame

Some of the best-known journalists at NPR have released what they call an open letter “to listeners and supporters” that calls remarks made by a former NPR fundraising executive “offensive” and says they have done “real damage” to the public broadcaster.

Shades of Duke University. Although that was a more extreme case.

113 garhighway  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:02:09pm

re: #106 iceweasel

This is where I have to admit I haven’t ever seen Glee. :(

That show is worth seeing just to watch Jane Lynch and listen to the dialogue they give her. It is absolutely priceless.

114 albusteve  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:02:10pm

re: #107 ProLifeLiberal

Off topic, but I wanted to write up a spiel on Libya. However, aside from the USS Enterprise (I think?, I know an Aircraft Carrier is nearby at the least), I’m not sure what other ships are in the area. Can someone provide this info please?

there is a website that shows where most Navy ships are located at all times

115 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:02:44pm

re: #106 iceweasel

This is where I have to admit I haven’t ever seen Glee. :(

It is AWESOME.

Take that from a jaded twentysomething metalhead.

116 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:02:50pm

re: #109 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Don’t look at me. We got married at the Justice of the Peace in Onslow county, where the witnesses were the sheriff who just finished feeding the prisoners and the guy behind us in line who was there to pay off a parking ticket.

Then we went to Golden Corral.

Really splurged on the whole thing, I see.
/

117 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:03:07pm

re: #107 ProLifeLiberal

Off topic, but I wanted to write up a spiel on Libya. However, aside from the USS Enterprise (I think?, I know an Aircraft Carrier is nearby at the least), I’m not sure what other ships are in the area. Can someone provide this info please?

USS Kearsarge
USS Providence
USS Mason
USS Ponce

118 Gus  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:03:29pm

Controversy! Quick! Fire that man! He must resign! We must put out a letter apologizing to our viewers!

Edited video tape? It was edited?

/

119 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:04:09pm

re: #106 iceweasel

This is where I have to admit I haven’t ever seen Glee. :(

It blows.

Your 50 something folk singer.

120 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:04:12pm

re: #109 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Don’t look at me. We got married at the Justice of the Peace in Onslow county, where the witnesses were the sheriff who just finished feeding the prisoners and the guy behind us in line who was there to pay off a parking ticket.

Then we went to Golden Corral.

Golden Corral? You couldn’t even spring for Olive Garden?

(My aunt asked for a half day off. When she explained why, they offered her a whole day, but she shrugged it off. A half day was all that was necessary.

My cousin managed to have a diva wedding that stressed out not only the bride’s family and the groom’s family, but on out to extended family members. Then the bride spent half the time in the bathroom in a snit about something.)

121 Kragar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:04:34pm

re: #116 Simply Sarah

Really splurged on the whole thing, I see.
/

What can I say? I’m a romantic. We used the money we could have spent on the wedding to buy stuff for the apartment.

122 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:04:39pm

re: #118 Gus 802

Controversy! Quick! Fire that man! He must resign! We must put out a letter apologizing to our viewers!

Edited video tape? It was edited?

/

Okay, we’ll just sweep this under the rug. No harm, no foul. Surely we won’t get tricked a second time!

/

123 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:04:57pm

re: #109 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You are my new hero.

124 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:05:08pm

re: #120 EmmmieG

Golden Corral? You couldn’t even spring for Olive Garden?

(My aunt asked for a half day off. When she explained why, they offered her a whole day, but she shrugged it off. A half day was all that was necessary.

My cousin managed to have a diva wedding that stressed out not only the bride’s family and the groom’s family, but on out to extended family members. Then the bride spent half the time in the bathroom in a snit about something.)

And which is why, as a photographer, i will never, ever touch weddings.
Ever.

125 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:05:21pm

re: #121 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What can I say? I’m a romantic. We used the money we could have spent on the wedding to buy stuff for the apartment.

Was she able to get in contact with her family?

126 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:05:31pm

re: #120 EmmmieG

I should add that the cousin and the aunt are completely unrelated. The aunt’s daughter had a beach-front wedding with pies instead of cake and fireworks with a bonfire.

127 Kragar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:05:36pm

re: #120 EmmmieG

Golden Corral? You couldn’t even spring for Olive Garden?

(My aunt asked for a half day off. When she explained why, they offered her a whole day, but she shrugged it off. A half day was all that was necessary.

My cousin managed to have a diva wedding that stressed out not only the bride’s family and the groom’s family, but on out to extended family members. Then the bride spent half the time in the bathroom in a snit about something.)

Olive Garden sucks and Golden Corral had the all you could eat buffet.

128 Gus  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:06:12pm

re: #122 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Okay, we’ll just sweep this under the rug. No harm, no foul. Surely we won’t get tricked a second time!

/

This is classic though. NPR fell for an “O’Keefe production”. Seriously, they’re on a hair trigger.

129 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:06:50pm

re: #125 Varek Raith

Was she able to get in contact with her family?

You should mention, perhaps, that this question has nothing to do with the wedding we are discussing.

130 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:06:57pm

re: #114 albusteve

What is the Website name and address?

131 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:07:37pm

re: #129 EmmmieG

Right.
Why do I still multi-task even though I suck at it???

132 albusteve  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:08:07pm

re: #130 ProLifeLiberal

What is the Website name and address?

I was just looking, but have not found it….I’ve seen it and it’s pretty cool
other than that I know nothing

133 Kragar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:08:25pm

re: #125 Varek Raith

Was she able to get in contact with her family?

Nothing yet. Still got reports of power off and other services down from their town. We found the Japanese news cable station and she’s watching that, plus we tried putting her folks into the google person finder tool. She’s also trying to go thru the consulate office in LA.

134 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:08:27pm

re: #118 Gus 802

Controversy! Quick! Fire that man! He must resign! We must put out a letter apologizing to our viewers!

Edited video tape? It was edited?

/

I want to call Talk of the Nation every day just to yell at Neil Conan. Especially since he went off last week on that kid who was fired for bridging ‘journalism ethics’ by clapping for some race car driver who one some stupid race. Give me a fucking break. NPR needs a cock punch and a bitch slap.

(And that was not a subtle dig at Sarah Palin. I’d never call her a cock.)

135 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:08:37pm

bbiab

136 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:08:44pm

re: #128 Gus 802

This is classic though. NPR fell for an “O’Keefe production”. Seriously, they’re on a hair trigger.

And why wouldn’t they? Whenever it seems that a person or company’s ass is on the line, here comes O’Keefe with his “undercover journalism.” By the time that they realize they’ve been had, they’ve got millions of wingnuts calling for their heads.

137 martinsmithy  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:09:04pm

re: #128 Gus 802

And why are they on a hair trigger?

Well, one of the reasons is that they fired Juan Williams. Whatever you think about O’Keefe’s antics (and these new revelations discredit him even more than he already was discredited), the firing of Juan Williams is what O’Keefe claims started him on his crusade. Firing Williams was a stupid move on NPR’s part, both tactically and also as a matter of fact and policy.

138 Gus  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:09:05pm

Here’s the NPR letter:

“An Open Letter from Journalists at NPR News…..

Dear Listeners and Supporters,

We, and our colleagues at NPR News, strive every day to bring you the highest quality news programs possible. So, like you, we were appalled by the offensive comments made recently by NPR’s now former Senior Vice President for Development. His words violated the basic principles by which we live and work: accuracy and open-mindedness, fairness and respect.

Those comments have done real damage to NPR. But we’re confident that the culture of professionalism we have built, and the journalistic values we have upheld for the past four decades, will prevail. We are determined to continue bringing you the daily journalism that you’ve come to expect and rely upon: fair, fact-based, in-depth reporting from at home and around the world.

With your support we have no doubt NPR will come out of this difficult period stronger than ever.

Thank you,

Robert Siegel
Michele Norris
Melissa Block
Renee Montagne
Scott Simon
Liane Hansen
Guy Raz
Michel Martin
Neal Conan
Susan Stamberg
Nina Totenberg
Linda Wertheimer
Daniel Zwerdling
John Ydstie
Richard Harris
Tom Gjelten
Howard Berkes
Mike Shuster
Laura Sullivan
Lynn Neary
Jacki Lyden
Mara Liasson

139 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:09:20pm

re: #127 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Olive Garden sucks and Golden Corral had the all you could eat buffet.

I had the misfortune of diving into an Olive Garden once - met a nice young lady - but where was i?..oh yes….. no Italian lager….. none. Not a drop of it.

It is Italian food as approximated by a deaf monolingual American chef who overheard a monolingual Japanese tourist talking about a real Trattoria.

140 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:10:05pm

re: #137 martinsmithy

Firing Williams was a stupid move on NPR’s part, both tactically and also as a matter of fact and policy.

Bullshit.

141 Gus  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:10:21pm

re: #136 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And why wouldn’t they? Whenever it seems that a person or company’s ass is on the line, here comes O’Keefe with his “undercover journalism.” By the time that they realize they’ve been had, they’ve got millions of wingnuts calling for their heads.

Yeah. Because we know how much wingnuts already support NPR. Wouldn’t want to lose that viewership now would we.

//

142 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:10:25pm

re: #138 Gus 802

Here’s the NPR letter:

They are just cowards who are shit scared of being O’Keefes next target, or having teabaggers turn up on their lawns.

143 Kragar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:10:48pm

re: #139 wozzablog

I had the misfortune of diving into an Olive Garden once - met a nice young lady - but where was i?..oh yes… no Italian lager… none. Not a drop of it.

It is Italian food as approximated by a deaf monolingual American chef who overheard a monolingual Japanese tourist talking about a real Trattoria.

Olive Garden is to Italian food what Taco Bell is to Mexican food.

144 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:11:01pm

Fuel rods completely uncovered of any coolant for 140 mins. at reactor 2.

At least partially due to human error.

“The government’s nuclear safety agency said the rods were fully exposed for about 140 minutes, Kyodo news agency reported.

We are not optimistic but I think we can inject water once we can reopen the valve and lower air pressure,” a TEPCO official told reporters.

— From the Sydney Morning Hearld, within the hour or so.

145 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:11:52pm

re: #137 martinsmithy

Firing Williams was a stupid move on NPR’s part, both tactically and also as a matter of fact and policy.

Not really. They have guidelines about commentators & reproters making statements like he did - and it wasn’t his first time at the dance either.

146 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:12:07pm

re: #138 Gus 802

His words violated the basic principles by which we live and work: accuracy and open-mindedness, fairness and respect.

Yeah, really give it to O’Keefe…oh wait, they’re talking about the bullshit they got sold…nevermind.

And if you want the real reason why they want this guy’s head? One line says it:

Those comments have done real damage to NPR.

147 Gus  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:12:34pm

re: #142 wozzablog

They are just cowards who are shit scared of being O’Keefes next target, or having teabaggers turn up on their lawns.

Get a load of this line from that letter:

But we’re confident that the culture of professionalism we have built, and the journalistic values we have upheld for the past four decades, will prevail.

Right. Based on an unprofessional video created by a political hack with no journalistic values. Talk about dissonance.

148 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:13:00pm

My bolds in the reactor comment.

149 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:13:42pm

re: #146 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And if you want the real reason why they want this guy’s head? One line says it:


Those comments have done real damage to NPR.

Teabaggers cling to god and their guns - which is quantifiably true, and they have ripped asunder the soul of the GOP - also verifiably true.

150 Gus  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:13:45pm

re: #146 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, really give it to O’Keefe…oh wait, they’re talking about the bullshit they got sold…nevermind.

And if you want the real reason why they want this guy’s head? One line says it:

We strive for journalistic professionalism! That’s why we based our judgement on a video from James O’Keefe!

Drink!

/

151 albusteve  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:14:48pm

re: #140 Jeff In Ohio

Bullshit.

yes, Juans words were so utterly inflammatory he must be fired!….what a joke

152 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:16:39pm

re: #150 Gus 802

We strive for journalistic professionalism! That’s why we based our judgement on a video from James O’Keefe!

Drink!

/

Mara Liasson should quit honest journalism at this point and just move to Fox, NPR are playing to the teabagger demographic and Liasson could make more money on Fox doing this if they dressed her up real’purdy’like and put on a blonde wig.

153 Kragar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:17:04pm

So I opened the new page and all the ads are about engagement rings.

154 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:17:19pm

re: #153 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So I opened the new page and all the ads are about engagement rings.

You started it!
/

155 Gus  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:21:15pm

Juan Williams was a different case. This matter with Schiller is a little more complicated. Schiller was also a full time member of the NPR staff. The consequences of this will be far worse for Schiller and I don’t see him headed for Fox News any time soon.

156 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:21:25pm

re: #151 albusteve

yes, Juans words were so utterly inflammatory he must be fired!…what a joke

As NPR would have it - and they are their rules -

There was very little way around hearing him say “people dressed up like muslims make me wary on planes” and then having Juan report on a story inviolving a muslim without that prejudice hanging over him in the reporting.

157 Gus  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:22:05pm

re: #152 wozzablog

Mara Liasson should quit honest journalism at this point and just move to Fox, NPR are playing to the teabagger demographic and Liasson could make more money on Fox doing this if they dressed her up real’purdy’like and put on a blonde wig.

I’m surprised that Helen Thomas didn’t sign that letter.

//

158 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:22:53pm

re: #151 albusteve

yes, Juans words were so utterly inflammatory he must be fired!…what a joke

“I mean, look, Bill, I’m not a bigot…. But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous.”

He’s not a bigot. He even said so.

f you think about liabilities for President [Barack] Obama that are close to him — [Vice President] Joe Biden’s up there — but Michelle Obama’s right there.”
Williams continued: “[S]he’s got this Stokely Carmichael-in-a-designer-dress thing going. If she starts talking, as [Townhall Magazine contributor and Weekly Standard contributing blogger] Mary Katharine [Ham] suggested, her instinct is to start with this ‘blame America,’ you know, ‘I’m the victim.’ If that stuff starts to come out, people will go bananas, and she’ll go from being the new Jackie O to being something of an albatross.”

Look, he’s an insiteful insightful journalist. I guess I’ll have to turn into Fox to get some more of that clear headed political analysis.

159 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:23:41pm

re: #157 Gus 802

I’m surprised that Helen Thomas didn’t sign that letter.

//

Hush.

160 Jimmah  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:25:01pm

re: #93 iceweasel

upding for Jihad-Fascist Glee club.

the first rule of Jihad-Fascist Glee Club is that we DO NOT TALK about Jihad-Fascist Glee Club.

And…

If anyone asks, it’s a ‘human rights meeting’ - got that?

161 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:26:36pm

Geiger Counters click. What sound do Coulter Counters make?

162 garhighway  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:27:08pm

re: #161 oaktree

Geiger Counters click. What sound do Coulter Counters make?

They screech.

163 Gus  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:28:18pm

re: #161 oaktree

Geiger Counters click. What sound do Coulter Counters make?

Sounds like Cheetos crunching.

164 Gus  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:29:21pm

re: #161 oaktree

Geiger Counters click. What sound do Coulter Counters make?

Derp. Derp. Derp. Derp. Derp. Derp. Derp. Derp. Derp.

165 Jimmah  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:29:28pm

“We don’t need this fascist glee club”

Night folks, from ice and me. Have a good one!

166 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:29:31pm

Hmm. How about the sound that agitated Tribbles made on Star Trek?

Or would that be some sort of geek detector?
:)

167 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:31:14pm

re: #132 albusteve

Aw, I wanted to see it for more up to date info. In any case, I have a spiel.

Gaddafi must be forced out of office, dead or alive. He has already said that he would go house-to-house and kill the protestors. Even before that he had committed massive crimes against humanity. This situation has been seen before, in Yugoslavia with both Bosnia and Kosovo. In both cases, we attacked, once with UN sanction, the other without. I think we should, along with France and Britain, attack Gaddafi’s Air Force and Artillery to even the playing field. This can be started near immediately. The USS Mason is a destroyer, armed with Air and/or Ground attack missiles. Combined with the fact that an AWACS is already there that could help designate targets, we can start launching missiles very quickly. The submarine, the USS Providence, and use its Tomahawks. Meanwhile, we should deploy one of the Air Wings stationed in Europe, possibly the 48th Fighter Wing which did Operation El Dorado Canyon in the 80’s. We should also convince France and Britain, who have both been very aggressive in the UN, to also deploy some number of forces, which would make this a multilateral operation. Gaddafi must be stopped. He has already admitted, for all intents and purposes, that if he wins, he will commit massive crimes against humanity.

168 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:31:29pm

re: #124 wozzablog

And which is why, as a photographer, i will never, ever touch weddings.
Ever.

You would have loved mine. It was the most relaxed wedding ever. At least I, surging with bridal glow, thought so.

The photos are stunning. I also have about a million photographs of the rabbi’s small daughter, which I don’t mind, but I barely know this child. The photographer thought she was one of my cousins. So people look at my wedding photos and say “Who is the cute little Asian girl in the print dress?” and I say, “That’s the rabbi’s daughter. I can’t remember her name.”

She’s very photogenic though, so who cares?

169 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:32:17pm

re: #133 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nothing yet. Still got reports of power off and other services down from their town. We found the Japanese news cable station and she’s watching that, plus we tried putting her folks into the google person finder tool. She’s also trying to go thru the consulate office in LA.

All my best wishes. I cannot imagine what she and you must be going through.

170 I Am Kreniigh!  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:32:51pm

OT but amusing:

GOP freshman rep suggests disabled go to Siberia

They elected a 91-year-old non-incumbent?

171 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:34:33pm

re: #137 martinsmithy

And why are they on a hair trigger?

Well, one of the reasons is that they fired Juan Williams. Whatever you think about O’Keefe’s antics (and these new revelations discredit him even more than he already was discredited), the firing of Juan Williams is what O’Keefe claims started him on his crusade. Firing Williams was a stupid move on NPR’s part, both tactically and also as a matter of fact and policy.

Sorry, not accepting that. NPR/PBS have been a right-wing culture-wars target for many years, and O’Keefe would have gotten around to them in turn. The idea that they should have kept Juan Williams as a form of appeasement so they wouldn’t be slimed by this idiot boy is ridiculous.

If you want to argue that they just shouldn’t have fired him, fine.

172 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:35:21pm

re: #139 wozzablog

I had the misfortune of diving into an Olive Garden once - met a nice young lady - but where was i?..oh yes… no Italian lager… none. Not a drop of it.

It is Italian food as approximated by a deaf monolingual American chef who overheard a monolingual Japanese tourist talking about a real Trattoria.

It’s not bad if you don’t think of it as Italian food.

173 Slap  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:36:44pm

re: #161 oaktree

Geiger Counters click. What sound do Coulter Counters make?

“BLUCHER!”

174 Gus  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:36:48pm

Back later. Hold the fort!

175 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:37:56pm

re: #170 Kreniigh

OT but amusing:

GOP freshman rep suggests disabled go to Siberia

They elected a 91-year-old non-incumbent?

Evidently, and now they’ve found out why he was never elected before.

176 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:38:50pm

re: #168 SanFranciscoZionist

You would have loved mine. It was the most relaxed wedding ever. At least I, surging with bridal glow, thought so.

The photos are stunning. I also have about a million photographs of the rabbi’s small daughter, which I don’t mind, but I barely know this child. The photographer thought she was one of my cousins. So people look at my wedding photos and say “Who is the cute little Asian girl in the print dress?” and I say, “That’s the rabbi’s daughter. I can’t remember her name.”

She’s very photogenic though, so who cares?

I take my camera to friends weddings and try to make gifts of what i take in some small way.
The last twice though - my array of well lit casual snaps has become de-facto official set of photos after the official ones sucked so bad.

177 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:40:42pm

re: #176 wozzablog

I take my camera to friends weddings and try to make gifts of what i take in some small way.
The last twice though - my array of well lit casual snaps has become de-facto official set of photos after the official ones sucked so bad.

The professional photos of mine are beautiful. The only problem was that it took nearly three months to get them from the photographer. Technical difficulties. She’s not taking kindly to this newfangled computer stuff.

But she did the photographs for my bat mitzvah, and we love her, so…

178 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:41:19pm

re: #172 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s not bad if you don’t think of it as Italian food.

But the beer though - not one italian beer………. i don’t get it. Maybe they think that exposing Americans to a nice Perroni will leaad them to forsake Bud and Coors……..

179 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:44:32pm

re: #177 SanFranciscoZionist

The professional photos of mine are beautiful. The only problem was that it took nearly three months to get them from the photographer. Technical difficulties. She’s not taking kindly to this newfangled computer stuff.

But she did the photographs for my bat mitzvah, and we love her, so…

I don’t know if the quality is trending down these days with the advent of digital - i think it is as a bunch of cowboys set themselves up and leave peoples memories trashed.
The old school types - i’m not one of - have much more discipline.

180 darthstar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:56:00pm

re: #170 Kreniigh

OT but amusing:

GOP freshman rep suggests disabled go to Siberia

They elected a 91-year-old non-incumbent?

yeah, but you should see the size of his teabag.

181 darthstar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:57:12pm

re: #176 wozzablog

I take my camera to friends weddings and try to make gifts of what i take in some small way.
The last twice though - my array of well lit casual snaps has become de-facto official set of photos after the official ones sucked so bad.

We have CDs of photos our friends took at our wedding which are far superior to those by the professional photographer.

182 Kragar  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 2:58:57pm

re: #180 darthstar

yeah, but you should see the size of his teabag.

Tea Party or Lemon Party?

183 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 3:00:08pm

re: #180 darthstar

yeah, but you should see the size of his teabag.

DO NOT WANT!

184 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 4:56:18pm

re: #93 iceweasel

upding for Jihad-Fascist Glee club.

Well, DUH!
We sing about it!
///

185 simoom  Mon, Mar 14, 2011 10:17:25pm

Another quick writeup on the raw footage. It touches on what O’Keefe may have been after:
James O’Keefe and Journalistic Malpractice

If you watch the entire conversation, it becomes crystal clear that O’Keefe’s provocateurs didn’t get what they were looking for. They were ostensibly offering $5 million to NPR. Their goal is clearly to get Schiller and his colleague Betsy Liley to agree to slant coverage for cash. Again and again, they refuse, saying that NPR just wants to report the facts and be a nonpartisan voice of reason.

In light of the Blaze post, James Poniewozik of TIME’s “Tuned In” blog admits that he reposted O’Keefe’s video without watching the entire two-hour exchange and suggests that many other reporters did the same.

Poniewozik speculates that O’Keefe posted the extended video because he was confident that “by the time anyone took the time to go over the full video, the narrative would be established, the quotes stuck in people’s minds and the ideological battle won.”


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