Sarah Palin on Why McCain-Palin Lost in 2008: ‘I Wasn’t at the Top of the Ticket’

Palin would’ve won there, you betcha
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Sarah Palin’s on one of her rare trips outside the US, and told a reporter for India Today that the reason why the Republican ticket failed to win in 2008 was because she wasn’t at the top.

Speaking at the India Today Conclave in New Delhi, Palin was asked why the GOP ticket did not defeat then-Sen. Barack Obama (D). Palin said that Obama ran a strong campaign and effectively billed himself as a change candidate.

Pressed by India Today editor Aroon Purie that she also represented change, Palin replied, “I wasn’t at the top of the ticket, remember?”

Certainly not lacking in blissful self-confidence, is she? Especially when the truth is that her presence on the ticket was one of the biggest reasons for the GOP’s 2008 defeat.

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272 comments
1 CuriousLurker  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:13:34pm

Barracuda.

2 sagehen  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:15:23pm

She has just guaranteed that every bit of dirt, every single embarrassing secret, that anybody on the McCain has on her... will not remain secret.

3 AK-47%  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:15:39pm

She has a chance to rectify that in 2012...

4 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:16:27pm
The 2008 vice presidential nominee said she was not claiming she should have been the nominee over Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.),

So what did she mean?

5 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:16:28pm

"India, what a nice continent! And don't forget that we have historical ties - after all your people, Indians, are the native Americans!"

6 AK-47%  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:18:05pm

Seems like something that would go over big in Indiana, but India?

7 EdDantes  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:20:07pm

Speaking as a conservative Republican, It would not have mattered. That ticket was doomed.

8 FreedomMoon  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:20:50pm

She might just be testing the waters for a new show: Sarah Palin in India. With over a billion people, that's all untapped market to her.

9 elizajane  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:21:40pm

To be fair, George W. Bush was a much bigger reason than she was for the 2008 loss. But if she wants to work on upping her responsibility for Republican losses, she's certainly going about it the right way.

10 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:22:48pm
"One thing I learned is that you cannot trust the mainstream media to accurately report on [your record and accomplishments]," she said. "You have to have the boldness, the courage to set the record straight yourself."

"On your Facebook page. With help from Andrew Breitbart."

11 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:23:42pm

re: #10 wrenchwench

"On your Facebook page. With help from Andrew Breitbart."

Amusing coming from a half term governor...

12 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:26:42pm

re: #5 Sergey Romanov

"India, what a nice continent! And don't forget that we have historical ties - after all your people, Indians, are the native Americans!"

India should totally be the 58th state!//

13 Linden Arden  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:27:25pm

This comment will only further endear her to the Tea Party base of the GOP since they hate McCain anyway.

I confess I watched this freak show from India on a feed this am - and was astonished to see how Palin decried the "big government bailouts" when those of us who pay attention know she and McCain adamantly supported TARP.

I guess its like the Bridge to Nowhere now - history shoved into the memory hole forever - drowned out by her belief in her own lies.

14 EdDantes  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:27:25pm

re: #10 wrenchwench

"On your Facebook page. With help from Andrew Breitbart."

An Irish Bull, " Half the lies my opponent told against me are not true".

15 AK-47%  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:27:35pm

re: #12 rwdflynavy

India should totally be the 58th state!//

It would help raise our national test scores in English...

16 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:27:56pm

re: #15 ralphieboy

It would help raise our national test scores in English...

And math.

17 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:29:20pm

Whoa! Over 100 retweets already. That was fast.

18 CuriousLurker  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:31:17pm

re: #17 Charles

Whoa! Over 100 retweets already. That was fast.

Must be a lot of love for Sarah amongst LGF readers. //

19 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:32:27pm

re: #12 rwdflynavy

India should totally be the 58th state!//

Um. What would 51-57 be?

Let's annex Cancun.

20 theheat  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:32:29pm

I flushed that ticket within five minutes of her name coming anywhere near it.

21 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:33:10pm
#
1928: Robert from Columbus, Ohio in the US writes: "As an American, it seems rather hypocritical of my government, and of the governments of America's allies to come down so hard on Libya and not to do the same to Bahrain, Yemen, and Saudi Arabia." Have Your Say

Hey, Robert. It's absolutely hypocritical. But don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

22 EdDantes  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:33:55pm

re: #16 Sergey Romanov

/ Yes, math. Goes without saying. But what have they done for us?

23 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:34:29pm

re: #21 Sergey Romanov

Hey, Robert. It's absolutely hypocritical. But don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

Indeed. Otherwise we intervene everywhere or no where.

24 Lidane  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:35:19pm

Caribou Barbie obviously believes her own hype. I can't wait to see her run and find a hostile audience waiting for her, even in the GOP primaries.

25 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:35:59pm

re: #23 Varek Raith

Indeed. Otherwise we intervene everywhere or no where.

"We didn't lift a finger to save this child in Congo. So let's not save any children anywhere!"

26 Lidane  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:36:23pm

re: #20 theheat

I flushed that ticket within five minutes of her name coming anywhere near it.

So did most sane people. She was so obviously a last-minute, desperate choice meant to knock Obama off the front page after his DNC speech, and nothing more.

27 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:36:58pm

re: #25 Sergey Romanov

"We didn't lift a finger to save this child in Congo. So let's not save any children anywhere!"

The phrase "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines" is often misused, but it is justified in this instance.

28 William of Orange  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:36:59pm

Sorry guys, I cannot deny Sarah Palin has a sense of humor. ;-)

29 AK-47%  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:37:05pm

re: #22 EdDantes

/ Yes, math. Goes without saying. But what have they done for us?

Without their tech support, at least half the PC's in the the US would not be functioning...

30 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:37:27pm

re: #19 EmmmieG

Um. What would 51-57 be?

Let's annex Cancun.

You'd have to ask the President.

31 theheat  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:37:46pm

re: #24 Lidane

Caribou Barbie obviously believes her own hype. I can't wait to see her run and find a hostile audience waiting for her, even in the GOP primaries.

Lamestream media! Sexism!
//
She's going to spend all her time running from questions. She'll need her Wheaties.

32 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:38:11pm

She also told the audience that she can see Russia from Alaska.....

Not yet sure of running for US President in 2012: Sarah Palin

Palin insisted that Russia could be seen from Alaska. "You can't rely on the mainstream media to set records straight," Palin said of what she has called the 'lamestream media'.

"I will put my foot down to ensure that people will have the right information," Palin said, insisting that Republicans had the fighting instinct of sheep when it came to taking on the media.

Why the fuck would an audience in New Delhi give a shit what you can see from Alaska?

33 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:38:13pm

re: #19 EmmmieG

Um. What would 51-57 be?

Let's annex Cancun.

I say we annex the entire Caribbean. Vacation homes for everyone!

34 AK-47%  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:38:32pm

I assume that Sarah will distance herself from this remark, saying it was just meant "humorously", but it will be the moral equivalent of removing the4 bullseye targets from her website while screaming "blood libel".

35 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:39:35pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Why the fuck would an audience in New Delhi give a shit what you can see from Alaska?

When Sarah is in India, you can see her ego from Alaska.

36 sagehen  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:40:02pm

re: #20 theheat

I flushed that ticket within five minutes of her name coming anywhere near it.

You beat me; it took me several days to decide she was wholly unqualified.

37 Ericus58  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:41:30pm

re: #33 Varek Raith

I say we annex the entire Caribbean. Vacation homes for everyone!

having been to St. Thomas and Tortola last week.... I vote for Tortola!

38 Lidane  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:41:58pm

re: #31 theheat

She's going to spend all her time running from questions. She'll need her Wheaties.

That's what I find hilarious. She's never, ever had an unscripted interview or press conference, relies on Google for all her information, and she might run for POTUS? LOL forever.

Much as I loathe Romney, Huckabee, Gingrich, Barbour, and the other wingnuts, they'll easily rip her apart in the primaries for being totally unprepared for prime time and for hiding behind her handlers and being unable to give an interview on the fly. It will be amusing to watch.

39 CuriousLurker  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:43:17pm

re: #20 theheat

I flushed that ticket within five minutes of her name coming anywhere near it.

When she made her first speech snarking on Obama for being a community organizer I lost all respect for her.

40 theheat  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:43:18pm

re: #36 sagehen

You beat me; it took me several days to decide she was wholly unqualified.

(For real) I have hypersensitive smelling disorder. I can smell a counterfeit fundie even through a television screen, from 1000 paces, behind a concrete bunker... even as far away as Alaska.

Useless talent number 32.

41 Donna Ballard  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:43:29pm

re: #35 wrenchwench

When Sarah is in India, you can see her ego from Alaska.

Well, it might be interesting to see her opinion on the caste system India has... Hmmm. Maybe not.

42 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:43:43pm

Governor Palin’s Q&A at the India Today Conclave (video)

The interviewer says Palin supports free market and therefor supports outsourcing. The audience applauds.
I just started watching, pretty funny stuff.

43 EdDantes  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:44:38pm

Good day, everyone. I worked grave this morning and I fear my posts may get very silly. Later!

44 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:45:03pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

at 3:00 she totally dodges the question of outsourcing. Lol

45 AK-47%  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:45:20pm

Is she going to visit Bhopal and give a speech about how excessive government regulations stifle industry?

46 sagehen  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:45:44pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Governor Palin’s Q&A at the India Today Conclave (video)

The interviewer says Palin supports free market and therefor supports outsourcing. The audience applauds.
I just started watching, pretty funny stuff.

That's going to win her a lot of votes in Ohio and Michigan and Pennsylvania.

47 Donna Ballard  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:46:36pm

CNN Live Breaking News: US Warships Launches Cruse Missiles

48 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:47:00pm

U.S. military launches missiles against Gadhafi's forces in Libya, defense official says.

49 treasured people  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:47:17pm

Here is a story you will not see anywhere. It describes how an Israeli medic helped an Arab woman give birth in the same village (a.k.a. settlement) where 5 Jews were slaughtered a week ago. This child, given the hateful education it will receive, could unfortunately turn into a murderer. Nevertheless, its life was saved by one of its potential victims.

50 theheat  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:47:57pm

re: #38 Lidane

Much as I loathe Romney, Huckabee, Gingrich, Barbour, and the other wingnuts, they'll easily rip her apart in the primaries for being totally unprepared for prime time and for hiding behind her handlers and being unable to give an interview on the fly.

She'll cry sexism, then wind up somewhere conveniently forgetting to wear a bra, just so she can cry victim and use sexism to her advantage. She's that simple.

51 CuriousLurker  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:48:03pm

I've got email to answer and chores to do, so I'm out for now. Have fun, Lizards.

52 Donna Ballard  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:48:08pm

RWC wants the compooter back, see ya'll later! Keep Laughing everyone!

53 AK-47%  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:49:24pm

re: #47 Dragon_Lady


Youtube Video
54 Lidane  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:49:50pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Governor Palin’s Q&A at the India Today Conclave (video)

The interviewer says Palin supports free market and therefor supports outsourcing. The audience applauds.
I just started watching, pretty funny stuff.

Let her try and explain how she supports the outsourcing of American jobs while standing in front of the Tea Party, who are isolationist, on top of everything else. Heh.

55 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:50:06pm
Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin slammed the Obama administration for "dithering" on Libya and accused fellow Republicans of "having the fighting instinct of sheep" while speaking overseas in India on Saturday.


[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

Wasn't there an unspoken courtesy to never criticize your president when on foreign soil? Or is that just for the white presidents?

56 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:50:30pm

re: #40 theheat

Useless talent number 32.

Actually, that sounds quite useful, but sometimes it must be an annoyance.

57 Lidane  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:51:06pm

re: #55 Jeff In Ohio

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

Wasn't there an unspoken courtesy to never criticize your president when on foreign soil? Or is that just for the white presidents?

It's just for Republican presidents.

58 jaunte  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:51:30pm

re: #55 Jeff In Ohio

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

Wasn't there an unspoken courtesy to never criticize your president when on foreign soil? Or is that just for the white presidents?

Special courtesy exception for ex-governors who quit before their terms are up.

59 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:52:04pm

re: #49 treasured people

Kudos to the doctors upholding their oath everywhere and to Corporal Levin. Your tone could use improvement though.

60 sagehen  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:52:51pm

re: #55 Jeff In Ohio

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

Wasn't there an unspoken courtesy to never criticize your president when on foreign soil? Or is that just for the white presidents?

Nah, it's for Republican presidents of all races.

61 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:53:23pm

I kept an open mind towards McCain until he put her on the ticket. Yup. This is the real reason why the Republicans lost.

62 Donna Ballard  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:53:34pm

re: #53 ralphieboy

LOL!

63 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:53:58pm

re: #54 Lidane

Let her try and explain how she supports the outsourcing of American jobs while standing in front of the Tea Party, who are isolationist, on top of everything else. Heh.

It's a hilarious interview. She just panders to whoever she's talking to. The audience has no idea what she's talking about.

64 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:54:10pm

re: #60 sagehen

Nah, it's for Republican presidents of all races.

That phrase cracks me up.

65 Michael McBacon  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:55:05pm
The Tea Party is "all about empowerment of everyday, independent patriots ... to change the balance of power," she said.

?!?

66 recusancy  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:55:28pm

re: #61 Conservative Moonbat

I kept an open mind towards McCain until he put her on the ticket. Yup. This is the real reason why the Republicans lost.

They lost because they fucked things up for 8 years.

67 AK-47%  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:56:21pm

re: #61 Conservative Moonbat

I kept an open mind towards McCain until he put her on the ticket. Yup. This is the real reason why the Republicans lost.

Let us not forget what got her on the ticket in the first place: the religious right was not at all pleased with McCain's record on social and family issues, and as a quid pro quo for their support, he had to take their candidate.

The rest is, thank God, history.

68 sagehen  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:56:41pm

re: #61 Conservative Moonbat

I kept an open mind towards McCain until he put her on the ticket. Yup. This is the real reason why the Republicans lost.

I know Jewish voters are mostly in states that were going to be blue regardless, so losing them didn't affect the ultimate outcome; but McCain did have 60% of Jewish voters in his corner until we got a good look at Sister Sarah. In the end, he got 23%.

69 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:56:53pm

re: #66 recusancy

They lost because they fucked things up for 8 years.

That didn't help, But give Obama some credit, that was one fucking amazing campaign. And as the Hamburger Helper Girls says "and I helped!'

70 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:57:15pm

re: #60 sagehen

Nah, it's for Republican presidents of all races.

They come in any color you like as long as it's white.

71 recusancy  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:57:56pm

re: #69 Jeff In Ohio

That didn't help, But give Obama some credit, that was one fucking amazing campaign. And as the Hamburger Helper Girls says "and I helped!'

I helped too :) Cheers to you!

72 AK-47%  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:58:17pm

If McCain could have gotten Joe Liebermann to run with him, he might have done better with a lot of moderate voters, but the religious right would have abandoned them and run their own candidate.

73 sagehen  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:58:53pm

re: #70 Conservative Moonbat

They come in any color you like as long as it's white.

Or pink. Or beige. Or eggshell. Or ivory.

74 AK-47%  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:59:12pm

re: #73 sagehen

Or pink. Or beige. Or eggshell. Or ivory.


Or Redneck

75 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 12:59:23pm

re: #69 Jeff In Ohio

Or maybe that was the Shake and Bake girl. My childhood is a blur.

76 recusancy  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:00:55pm

re: #55 Jeff In Ohio

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

Wasn't there an unspoken courtesy to never criticize your president when on foreign soil? Or is that just for the white presidents?

Also I was told I shouldn't criticize a president when we're at war. What happened to that?

77 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:01:37pm

Hey Gadhafi, put your air force up on ebay before it's too late!

78 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:02:40pm

re: #55 Jeff In Ohio

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

Wasn't there an unspoken courtesy to never criticize your president when on foreign soil? Or is that just for the white presidents?

Elections make a difference, haven't you heard?

79 albusteve  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:04:33pm

looks like the USN has gone hot....taking down air to air stuff right now...big day

80 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:05:01pm

re: #71 recusancy

I helped too :) Cheers to you!

That was righteous. I've told this before here, but my 12 year old (who helped also) and I rode the Amtrak from Cincinnati to DC for the Inauguration.

Here's some picts:

Image: l.jpg

Image: l.jpg

81 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:05:54pm

re: #79 albusteve

looks like the USN has gone hot...taking down air to air stuff right now...big day

Fox headline: Obama Outsources War to the French?

82 theheat  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:06:03pm

re: #72 ralphieboy

but the religious right would have abandoned them and run their own candidate.As a third party? (McCain already has the nomination.) Obama would've freaking loved that.

83 Achilles Tang  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:06:17pm

re: #79 albusteve

looks like the USN has gone hot...taking down air to air stuff right now...big day

What channel?

84 theheat  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:07:16pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

Fuck Fox News. They have to paint him as a gutless socialist, no matter what the circumstances.

PS - Go France.

85 AK-47%  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:07:17pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

Fox headline: Obama Outsources War to the French?


The French are sealing our jobs!!!

86 AK-47%  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:07:37pm

stealing. nice typo

87 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:08:12pm

re: #83 Naso Tang

bbc live: [Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

88 prairiefire  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:08:42pm

re: #84 theheat

Fuck Fox News. They have to paint him as a gutless socialist, no matter what the circumstances.

PS - Go France.

Aw, the righties won't be able to make sarcastic jokes about cowardly French soldiers./

89 albusteve  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:08:49pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

Fox headline: Obama Outsources War to the French?

I don't pay any attention to that stuff...a lot of people are itching to take a swipe at Mo....let the French and Brits have some fun, all this twitter and blog criticism is misguided clap trap....I'm all about action and solutions, not a bunch of sideline jabbber

90 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:09:03pm

Tell me, Sarah? Do you screw in a light bulb by holding it up and having the universe rotate around you?

91 albusteve  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:09:57pm

re: #83 Naso Tang

What channel?

it's up at CNN and Fox

92 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:10:54pm

The wingnuts at Hot Air are bitching that congress hasn't been consulted.
lol

93 albusteve  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:12:35pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

The wingnuts at Hot Air are bitching that congress hasn't been consulted.
lol

congress is too busy smiting gays

94 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:13:08pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

The wingnuts at Hot Air are bitching that congress hasn't been consulted.
lol

[Link: www.rave.ca...]

95 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:13:22pm

BBC is reporting that pro Q'Daffy civilians are gathering at his personal residence as human shields.

96 Uncle Meat  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:13:40pm

This may be known already but excellent live coverage over at Al-Jazeera of events in Libya: [Link: english.aljazeera.net...]

97 Racer X  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:14:09pm

The irony drips thick, like oil.

98 albusteve  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:15:52pm

re: #95 Killgore Trout

BBC is reporting that pro Q'Daffy civilians are gathering at his personal residence as human shields.

will a 2000lb JDAM feel sorry for them?....they want their raisins too

99 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:15:53pm

NBC reporter said that Gaddafi is freaking. Weeping and complaining that only a month ago, these European countries were having dinner with him and making deals.

100 Racer X  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:16:18pm

Causality. Action, reaction. Cause and effect.
- The Merovingian

Youtube Video
101 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:17:13pm

re: #95 Killgore Trout

BBC is reporting that pro Q'Daffy civilians are gathering at his personal residence as human shields.

Are they all Amazon women?

102 albusteve  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:17:38pm

re: #99 Charles

NBC reporter said that Gaddafi is freaking. Weeping and complaining that only a month ago, these European countries were having dinner with him and making deals.

he has no clue what he has inspired...he has never been around live ordnance bouncing around his house...if all goes well he will literally shit his britches

103 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:18:33pm

Palin is a force to be reckoned with in US politics & instead of getting her as VP there is a very good chance we will get her as POTUS.

104 AK-47%  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:18:57pm

re: #99 Charles

NBC reporter said that Gaddafi is freaking. Weeping and complaining that only a month ago, these European countries were having dinner with him and making deals.

Hate to say it, but he has a point...they did not hesitate to cut back-scratching deals with him while he was in charge of the oil, now they are threatening to prosecute him for the very crimes they were only too happy to overlook.

105 theheat  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:19:10pm

re: #95 Killgore Trout

BBC is reporting that pro Q'Daffy civilians are gathering at his personal residence as human shields.

If they're doing so willingly, then we're witnessing natural selection at work.

106 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:19:24pm

re: #103 Ojoe

Palin is a force to be reckoned with in US politics & instead of getting her as VP there is a very good chance we will get her as POTUS.

Hahaha!

Oh, wait.

You mean it, don't you.

107 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:19:25pm

re: #99 Charles

Gaddifi should have read Machiavelli.

108 sagehen  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:20:18pm

re: #99 Charles

NBC reporter said that Gaddafi is freaking. Weeping and complaining that only a month ago, these European countries were having dinner with him and making deals.

Funny how announcing your plans to massacre civilians changes things.

109 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:20:35pm

re: #103 Ojoe

Palin is a force to be reckoned with in US politics & instead of getting her as VP there is a very good chance we will get her as POTUS.

Would you vote for Palin over Obama?

110 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:20:50pm

re: #103 Ojoe

Palin is a force to be reckoned with in US politics & instead of getting her as VP there is a very good chance we will get her as POTUS.

She has the highest unfavorables of all the republican contenders.

111 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:20:53pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

There's a very good chance, I do think so. Look at the comments on her FB page.

112 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:21:13pm

re: #109 Sergey Romanov

I vote Whig.

113 albusteve  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:21:42pm

re: #104 ralphieboy

Hate to say it, but he has a point...they did not hesitate to cut back-scratching deals with him while he was in charge of the oil, now they are threatening to prosecute him for the very crimes they were only too happy to overlook.

live fire against peaceful civilians changes the paradigm...this hypocrisy stuff is narrow minded and stale already...let it go

114 sagehen  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:21:42pm

re: #109 Sergey Romanov

Would you vote for Palin over Obama?

On "Dancing With Stars" I absolutely would.

115 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:21:53pm

re: #112 Ojoe

I vote Whig.

So why do you think other moderates would vote for someone as extreme as Palin?

116 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:22:13pm

re: #105 theheat

If they're doing so willingly, then we're witnessing natural selection at work.

They are probably paid to put on the display. My guess is that Q'Daffy himself is probably nowhere in the area.

117 recusancy  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:22:23pm

re: #112 Ojoe

I vote Whig.

What if she runs as a Whig?

118 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:23:13pm

re: #117 recusancy

That would be the day. She'd lose if she ran as Whig.

119 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:23:58pm

re: #117 recusancy

What if she runs as a Whig?

She'd trip over all the hair.

120 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:23:59pm

Yowza. 362 retweets in a little over an hour. This post is setting a record.

121 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:24:11pm

110 tomahawks fired from US and British ships. Hitting 20 integrated air defenses.

122 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:24:55pm

re: #121 Varek Raith

110 tomahawks fired from US and British ships. Hitting 20 integrated air defenses.

WOW !

A dent in the inventory for sure.

123 AK-47%  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:25:22pm

re: #113 albusteve

live fire against peaceful civilians changes the paradigm...this hypocrisy stuff is narrow minded and stale already...let it go

Recent crimes against his civilians I find fully justified, I meant more the calls to prosecute him for Lockerbie. That I still find hypocritical.

124 Racer X  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:25:48pm

re: #122 Ojoe

WOW !

A dent in the inventory for sure.

We'll make more.

125 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:26:04pm

re: #111 Ojoe

There's a very good chance, I do think so. Look at the comments on her FB page.

Hahaha!

What significance, politically, do Facebook comments have?

126 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:26:15pm

re: #124 Racer X

We'll make more.

Jobs !

127 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:26:20pm

Will this make Q'Daffy duck?

128 Racer X  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:26:27pm

re: #126 Ojoe

Jobs !

LMAO!

129 jea62  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:26:45pm

My favorite Bible quote: "pride goeth before the fall."

130 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:26:47pm

re: #125 wrenchwench

A comment is an opinion & opinions count in politics.

131 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:26:57pm

re: #122 Ojoe

WOW !

A dent in the inventory for sure.

The Navy has a stockpile of about 3500.

132 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:27:16pm

re: #127 Rightwingconspirator

Will this make Q'Daffy duck?

Rotating title.

133 recusancy  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:27:29pm

re: #126 Ojoe

Jobs !

Yay for stimulus spending (only if it's defense related)!

134 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:27:53pm

re: #131 Varek Raith

The Navy has a stockpile of about 3500.

I assume that number would be classified.

135 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:28:02pm

BBIAB

136 albusteve  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:28:46pm

re: #134 Conservative Moonbat

I assume that number would be classified.

maybe the NYT published the number

137 teh flowah  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:28:52pm

If I had any faith in Palin, I would have said this was easily an out of context statement in which she could have meant

"Don't ask me, I wasn't the top ticket. Ask him"

But this is Palin we're talking about.

138 recusancy  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:29:16pm

re: #130 Ojoe

A comment is an opinion & opinions count in politics.

I'll bet you $1000 that she doesn't become POTUS. I'll give you 1000:1 odds. Deal?

139 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:29:21pm

re: #130 Ojoe

A comment is an opinion & opinions count in politics.

Only votes count when it comes to running for office, and that's what we're talking about. Opinions count if you're a pundit, which is what Sarah wants to be until she becomes a candidate.

140 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:30:38pm

re: #134 Conservative Moonbat

I assume that number would be classified.

re: #136 albusteve

maybe the NYT published the number

We don't seem to classify number of units. Since it has to be budgeted and all that.

141 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:31:06pm

[Link: twitter.com...]

Libyan amb, who broke fr Gadhafi, yesterday said Gadhafi's regime is collecting dead bodies to falsely claim were killed by coalition

142 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:31:56pm

re: #130 Ojoe

A comment is an opinion & opinions count in politics.

She's been caught with fake accounts. How many comments have been deleted by her staff, how many remain from genuine individual registered voters? This ratio can't be answered, but it's much more interesting than simply pointing to comments on her page and saying "look, that's meaningful!"

She has a sixty percent negative opinion rating, let's see you spin that.

143 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:32:03pm

re: #141 Killgore Trout

[Link: twitter.com...]

Sigh, no surprise there.

144 avanti  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:32:45pm

re: #121 Varek Raith

110 tomahawks fired from US and British ships. Hitting 20 integrated air defenses.

Check the right wing blogs. Obama is either a reckless war monger risking American lives, or not doing enough by letting the French lead, or acted too soon, or too late with too much or too little force. Other than that, they support or don't support the action.

145 researchok  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:32:50pm

Official: U.S. fires on Libyan air defenses

The U.S. military launched its first airstrikes on Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi's air defenses, officials said Saturday.
U.S. Tomahawk missiles landed in the area around Tripoli and Misrata, a senior military official said, adding that the action was taken after Gadhafi failed to comply with a cease-fire.

146 Donna Ballard  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:32:53pm

I can resist logging in with my iPad. It's slow but seems to be working just fine! Please be patient with the typos, this thing loves to substitute words I want with those I don't!

147 theheat  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:33:28pm

She's going to cry when she realizes nobody within her own party is going to pull punches when they're all gunning for the same job. Fortunately, she thrives on victimhood, so she can turn those lemons into lemonade once she picks herself off the ground when she's left in the dust.

And if they're crazy enough, she'll turn around and support them after saying how mean and unfair they were.

148 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:33:34pm

re: #143 Varek Raith

Sigh, no surprise there.

It also won't be a surprise when Fox News and the wingnuts help spread the bogus story of a massacre.

149 Donna Ballard  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:33:56pm

re: #146 Dragon_Lady

I can resist logging in with my iPad. It's slow but seems to be working just fine! Please be patient with the typos, this thing loves to substitute words I want with those I don't!

See what I mean? PIMF!!!

150 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:34:25pm

re: #149 Dragon_Lady

See what I mean? PIMF!!!

Apple knows better than you!
;)

151 Gus  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:34:44pm

OK, the cavalry has arrived.

152 researchok  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:34:52pm

Yemen protests: Evidence snipers shot to kill

Photographs and amateur video footage have provided the first compelling evidence that professional snipers shot to kill when they opened fire on an anti-government demonstration in Yemen that left at least 52 protesters dead

.

153 albusteve  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:34:56pm

BOs own little war...isn't it a sweetheart?
it's a win win

154 recusancy  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:34:57pm

re: #146 Dragon_Lady

I can resist logging in with my iPad. It's slow but seems to be working just fine! Please be patient with the typos, this thing loves to substitute words I want with those I don't!

Doesn't it have voice recognition typing?

155 webevintage  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:35:17pm

re: #142 goddamnedfrank

She's been caught with fake accounts. How many comments have been deleted by her staff, how many remain from genuine individual registered voters? This ratio can't be answered, but it's much more interesting than simply pointing to comments on her page and saying "look, that's meaningful!"

She has a sixty percent negative opinion rating, let's see you spin that.

You can watch in realtime whenever she puts up a new facebook spewing as all negative (even slightly negative like "I love you Sarah, but you are wrong this time...") comments are pulled within seconds or mins of being posted to her account.

156 researchok  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:35:25pm

re: #151 Gus 802

OK, the cavalry has arrived.

Thank you for the warm welcome.
//

157 Gus  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:36:08pm

re: #156 researchok

Thank you for the warm welcome.
//

Well, not me of course. I'm Captain Parmenter.

158 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:36:53pm

re: #137 teh flowah

If I had any faith in Palin, I would have said this was easily an out of context statement in which she could have meant

"Don't ask me, I wasn't the top ticket. Ask him"

But this is Palin we're talking about.

I thought about that possibility, but if you parse what she said, it goes like this: McCain-Palin lost because Obama ran a good campaign and presented himself as the 'change' candidate. Reporter asks: "but didn't you stand for change too?" Her answer: sure, you betcha, but I wasn't the presidential candidate.

I don't see any way to contextualize that away.

159 Gus  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:37:00pm

So, I imagine they can't contain their excitement over at #tcot, Hot Air and Red State. Right?

//

160 Donna Ballard  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:37:24pm

re: #154 recusancy

Doesn't it have voice recognition typing?

No, unfortunately not. Would be easier if it did. Grumph!

161 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:37:29pm

re: #159 Gus 802

So, I imagine they can't contain their excitement over at #tcot, Hot Air and Red State. Right?

//

They're completely befuddled.

162 webevintage  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:37:38pm

re: #153 albusteve

BOs own little war...isn't it a sweetheart?
it's a win win

Is it a war?
I'm not sure how I feel about this operation at all...but I do know that any TEAGop types who are against this are full of shit because they would love the dropping of bombs if anyone but Obama was President.

163 recusancy  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:38:04pm

re: #160 Dragon_Lady

No, unfortunately not. Would be easier if it did. Grumph!

You can plug in a tactile keyboard, though, right?

164 abolitionist  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:38:23pm

re: #152 researchok

Yemen protests: Evidence snipers shot to kill
.

The 52 dead wasn't compelling evidence?

165 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:38:25pm

Obama repeated today that there will be no US ground troops in LIbya.

166 AK-47%  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:38:37pm

re: #153 albusteve

BOs own little war...isn't it a sweetheart?
it's a win win

Yes, Obama sure went out of his way to sell it to us: all those lies and fabrications about WMD's and terrorist links and all that.

/

167 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:39:02pm

Libyan state TV says "The Zionist airfoce has bombed a hospital treating terminal patients".

Who believes this bullshit???

168 Donna Ballard  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:39:05pm

re: #150 Varek Raith

Apple knows better than you!
;)

So what else is new? Mr.Jobs is quite the know it all, ain't he?

169 Gus  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:39:13pm

re: #161 Varek Raith

They're completely befuddled.

The wingers have gone verklempt.

It'll be the usual. Guaranteed to be the usual contrarian, chickenhawk, armchair general, wingnut bullshit.

170 albusteve  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:39:16pm

re: #162 webevintage

Is it a war?
I'm not sure how I feel about this operation at all...but I do know that any TEAGop types who are against this are full of shit because they would love the dropping of bombs if anyone but Obama was President.

I ignore that stuff...means nothing

171 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:39:45pm

re: #158 Charles

I thought about that too. The only discernible alternative is that the reporter put a spin on the surrounding text, i.e. distorted the context. But that would need evidence to establish.

172 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:40:09pm

re: #165 Charles

That is out of necessity on a number of levels. For both political and practical reasons, I think we have none to spare for anything short of defensive action in South Korea or similar circumstances. And that would draw troops from Iraq as fast as they could be moved, IMO.

173 treasured people  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:40:26pm

Remember when Israel was told all it had to do was withdraw from Gaza and then Gaza would be at peace? And now is Israel is being pressured to withdraw from Judea and Samaria. Does anyone doubt what will happen then?

174 albusteve  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:40:41pm

re: #166 ralphieboy

Yes, Obama sure went out of his way to sell it to us: all those lies and fabrications about WMD's and terrorist links and all that.

/

I don't get hungup on that shit...what's the point, to live in the past?

175 avanti  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:41:04pm

re: #159 Gus 802

So, I imagine they can't contain their excitement over at #tcot, Hot Air and Red State. Right?

//

Not so much. I would have expected some grudging praise for the missile attacks, but so far, crickets.

176 Donna Ballard  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:41:05pm

re: #163 recusancy

You can plug in a tactile keyboard, though, right?

Yeah, If I wanted to spend the dough I could. I already have a bundle invested in accessories, I really didn't want to spend anymore.

177 Racer X  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:41:38pm

re: #167 Varek Raith

Libyan state TV says "The Zionist airfoce has bombed a hospital treating terminal patients".

Who believes this bullshit???

Thats funny.

178 AK-47%  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:41:43pm

re: #174 albusteve

I don't get hungup on that shit...what's the point, to live in the past?


This is not a war that Obama foisted on us, it is one that started itself, we are just intervening on the side of humanity.

179 Racer X  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:42:17pm

So it's now ON. I'm hoping this coalition does not bullshit around. Take Q'Daffy OUT! Quickly.

180 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:42:26pm

re: #177 Racer X

Thats funny.

Seriously. I laughed when I heard that.

BTW, welcome back!
:)

181 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:42:56pm

re: #158 Charles

I thought about that possibility, but if you parse what she said, it goes like this: McCain-Palin lost because Obama ran a good campaign and presented himself as the 'change' candidate. Reporter asks: "but didn't you stand for change too?" Her answer: sure, you betcha, but I wasn't the presidential candidate.

I don't see any way to contextualize that away.

You can watch the exchange at about 12:30 of the video....
[Link: conservatives4palin.com...]

At first I thought there might be some nuance and that a correction might be in order but after reading your post I think it's more or less accurate....
[Link: conservatives4palin.com...]
She basically blames McCain for not being a "change" candidate. The audience reaction makes her back off a bit.

182 albusteve  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:43:06pm

re: #178 ralphieboy

This is not a war that Obama foisted on us, it is one that started itself, we are just intervening on the side of humanity.

whatever...not every word needs to be taken literally, or does it?
can you read between the lines?

183 albusteve  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:43:32pm

re: #177 Racer X

Thats funny.

next target: milk factories

184 Gus  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:44:19pm

re: #175 avanti

Not so much. I would have expected some grudging praise for the missile attacks, but so far, crickets.

Yeah. Hot Air got stuck on this: This is Your World without Traditional US Leadership - Mar 19, 2011 4:00 PM by J.E. Dyer

Not a peep yet. Military expert, Allahpundit chimed in previously with: Obama tells Congress: Our main military action against Qaddafi will last “days, not weeks” and asks "what could go wrong."

Certainly not the warring cheerleading squad we so in the Iraq war.

185 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:44:22pm

re: #167 Varek Raith

Libyan state TV says "The Zionist airfoce has bombed a hospital treating terminal patients".

Who believes this bullshit???

The problem is, people do...

186 theheat  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:44:30pm

re: #183 albusteve

next target: milk factories

Baby formula and medicine for old people.

187 webevintage  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:45:04pm

re: #183 albusteve

next target: milk factories

and bunny farms....how soon before they begin bombing the puppy palace?

188 albusteve  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:45:04pm

what does Palin have to say about our aggression toward Mo?....not that I care but it may be a good diversion

189 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:45:25pm

re: #121 Varek Raith

110 tomahawks fired from US and British ships. Hitting 20 integrated air defenses.

Stimulus spending!!!

/Well, it is! For the defense industry ;)

190 recusancy  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:45:27pm

re: #182 albusteve

whatever...not every word needs to be taken literally, or does it?
can you read between the lines?

I thought you were going to ignore it?

191 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:45:32pm

re: #185 Sergey Romanov

The problem is, people do...

I know. I completely don't understand this kind of stupidity.

192 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:45:38pm

re: #111 Ojoe

There's a very good chance, I do think so. Look at the comments on her FB page.

uh what

193 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:45:43pm
2042: Further reports from Libyan state TV: It claims "crusader enemies" are bombarding civilian targets in Benghazi, Zuwarah, Misrata.

The Stalin Maneuver: blame your own actions on the enemies.

194 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:45:53pm

re: #4 Obdicut

So what did she mean?

She meant that it's the candidate at the top of the ticket who is critical for the ticket being seen as a "change ticket". After all, Obama ran with Joe Biden, who is about as far from a "change candidate" as you can get.

195 theheat  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:46:01pm

re: #188 albusteve

what does Palin have to say about our aggression toward Mo?...not that I care but it may be a good diversion

Stock answer: "God bless the troops!" I think she says that when the toast pops up, too.

196 avanti  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:46:08pm

re: #167 Varek Raith

Libyan state TV says "The Zionist airfoce has bombed a hospital treating terminal patients".

Who believes this bullshit???

Propaganda screw up. Should have been: "The Zionist airforce has bombed a hospital treating terminal, orphaned children".

,Part of it might be true, he will use terminal patients, i.e. already long dead folks hauled to the scene for TV.

197 AK-47%  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:46:13pm

They gotta stomp him good from the air and leave the rest to the local rebels: nobody wants to have to send in ground troops

198 jaunte  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:46:46pm

re: #188 albusteve

She found his foreign policy decisions not filled with enough "decisiveness."

199 AK-47%  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:47:45pm

re: #196 avanti

Propaganda screw up. Should have been: "The Zionist airforce has bombed a hospital treating terminal, orphaned children".

,Part of it might be true, he will use terminal patients, i.e. already long dead folks hauled to the scene for TV.


Zionist spies have already located orphanages and hospitals and passed the coordinates on for the coalition forces to target.

/

200 albusteve  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:47:47pm

re: #198 jaunte

She found his foreign policy decisions not filled with enough "decisiveness."

me too, but that was two weeks ago....I try to keep my eye on the ball

201 engineer cat  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:47:58pm

re: #159 Gus 802

So, I imagine they can't contain their excitement over at #tcot, Hot Air and Red State. Right?

//

the freepers seem to be against it (!!)

I disagree with this whole action. We should not be involved in this.

Agree. Our national interest is not at stake here...which is exactly why the libs think it’s a good idea.

"We cannot allow the slaughter of civilians to continue."

[bigoted word]s killing each other, where's the down side?

The Dems believe this war will get obummer reelected.

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

202 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:48:02pm

re: #181 Killgore Trout

You can watch the exchange at about 12:30 of the video...
[Link: conservatives4palin.com...]

At first I thought there might be some nuance and that a correction might be in order but after reading your post I think it's more or less accurate...
[Link: conservatives4palin.com...]
She basically blames McCain for not being a "change" candidate. The audience reaction makes her back off a bit.

McCain was frankly too old and slowed by his wounds to run as a "change candidate".

203 Gus  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:48:38pm

re: #201 engineer dog

the freepers seem to be against it (!!)

I disagree with this whole action. We should not be involved in this.

Agree. Our national interest is not at stake here...which is exactly why the libs think it’s a good idea.

"We cannot allow the slaughter of civilians to continue."

[bigoted word]s killing each other, where's the down side?

The Dems believe this war will get obummer reelected.

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

All I can think of is LOL. Wingers are such stark raving hypocrites.

204 Donna Ballard  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:48:56pm

re: #167 Varek Raith

Libyan state TV says "The Zionist airfoce has bombed a hospital treating terminal patients".

Who believes this bullshit???

I just love the report about the west invading and doing all the killing of civilians. The guy couldn't tell the truth if it bit him on the ass in front of live cameras. King of Deception he is. So much for announcing a cease fire to the UN. *rolls eyes*

205 albusteve  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:49:12pm

re: #202 Dark_Falcon

McCain was frankly too old and slowed by his wounds to run as a "change candidate".

change for him means a new Depenz....

206 Gus  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:49:19pm

Who knows. Maybe they'll find Saddam's WMDs in Libya.

//

207 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:49:34pm

re: #197 ralphieboy

They gotta stomp him good from the air and leave the rest to the local rebels: nobody wants to have to send in ground troops

That might be a problem. The rebels are enthusiastic but fairly incompetent. Even with air support they might not be able to do much on their own. The Military will have to switch sides for this to work.

208 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:49:58pm

re: #206 Gus 802

Who knows. Maybe they'll find Saddam's WMDs in Libya.

//

They're in Syria.

209 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:50:03pm

re: #197 ralphieboy

They gotta stomp him good from the air and leave the rest to the local rebels: nobody wants to have to send in ground troops

Well, we could fund the supply of arms to the rebels. I'd at least ask Egypt to quietly send those weapons Iran was sending to Hamas to Libya instead.

210 Donna Ballard  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:50:08pm

re: #191 Varek Raith

I know. I completely don't understand this kind of stupidity.

My friend, smart people rarely understand the things that stupid people say or do. ;)

211 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:51:01pm

re: #210 Dragon_Lady

My friend, smart people rarely understand the things that stupid people say or do. ;)

It's a personality flaw on my part. I have to understand things that can't possibly be understood.
:/
:)

212 Big Joe  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:51:05pm

re: #188 albusteve

what does Palin have to say about our aggression toward Mo?...not that I care but it may be a good diversion

Not sure but some are calling this the Palin Doctrine.

[Link: www.nysun.com...]

213 prairiefire  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:51:11pm

re: #121 Varek Raith

110 tomahawks fired from US and British ships. Hitting 20 integrated air defenses.

It's on!

214 webevintage  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:51:15pm

re: #188 albusteve

what does Palin have to say about our aggression toward Mo?...not that I care but it may be a good diversion

Feb. 22
It’s a little perplexing looking at the White House today. There was a statement on the horrible earthquake in New Zealand, and certainly our hearts go out to all those affected by this horrible natural disaster. But nothing on the slaughter in Libya? The protests in many places in the Middle East affect regimes that have cooperated with the U.S. on issues from peace with Israel, fighting al Qaeda, hosting our military forces, or cooperating against Iran’s nuclear ambitions. Gaddafi’s Libya is different. For four decades, this tyrant has held power. Gaddafi was Osama before Osama hit the scene. He ordered the bombing of a disco in Germany to kill Americans. When he paid the price for that – after President Reagan rightly ordered retaliation – he directed his agents to blow up Pan Am Flight 103. They did, and more than 250 innocent people died. Gaddafi tried to come in from the cold in 2003 – scared by the demonstration effect of Iraq. But we should have no illusions. Gaddafi is a brutal killer and Libya – not to mention the world – would be better off if he were out of power. Now is the time to speak out. Speak out for the long-suffering Libyan people. Speak out for the victims of Gaddafi’s terror. NATO and our allies should look at establishing a no-fly zone so Libyan air forces cannot continue slaughtering the Libyan people. We should not be afraid of freedom, especially when it comes to people suffering under a brutal enemy of America. Here’s to freedom from Gaddafi for the people of Libya.

Well that was painful to read and yes, it was written with no breaks.....

215 abolitionist  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:51:32pm

re: #204 Dragon_Lady

I just love the report about the west invading and doing all the killing of civilians. The guy couldn't tell the truth if it bit him on the ass in front of live cameras. King of Deception he is. So much for announcing a cease fire to the UN. *rolls eyes*

It's my understanding that his formal education is in "communications".

216 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:52:13pm

Blah,blah,blah,blah.
-Libyan State Bullshit.

217 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:52:20pm

re: #205 albusteve

change for him means a new Depenz...

Downding. His mind has not lost its acuity, and he remains clear-thinking. He has also been a strong proponent of action against Libya, though I'm sure he wants the US Navy to do its share of the fighting.

218 albusteve  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:52:46pm

re: #207 Killgore Trout

That might be a problem. The rebels are enthusiastic but fairly incompetent. Even with air support they might not be able to do much on their own. The Military will have to switch sides for this to work.

I disagree....there have been many officers switching sides and this is an old fashioned street brawl, not sophisticated at all....fire and maneuver stuff...the rebs can do it and I predict they will prevail now....Libya is all desert, there is no where for Mos people to even gather for a push if they wanted...it's urban and it's ugly but it's just whacking the bad guys when they pop up

219 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:53:38pm

re: #216 Varek Raith

Blah,blah,blah,blah.
-Libyan State Bullshit.

Baghdad Bob
Tripoli Ted?

220 webevintage  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:54:01pm

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

Downding. His mind has not lost its acuity, and he remains clear-thinking. He has also been a strong proponent of action against Libya, though I'm sure he wants the US Navy to do its share of the fighting.

Who wants to bet that tomorrow in an EXCLUSIVE interview with MTP McCain will be bitching about the action against Libya?

221 Gus  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:54:13pm

re: #219 Killgore Trout

Baghdad Bob
Tripoli Ted?

In the distance you can hear the Tripoli Rooster.

//

222 albusteve  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:54:18pm

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

Downding. His mind has not lost its acuity, and he remains clear-thinking. He has also been a strong proponent of action against Libya, though I'm sure he wants the US Navy to do its share of the fighting.

fuck your downding....do it again

223 prairiefire  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:54:18pm

re: #153 albusteve

BOs own little war...isn't it a sweetheart?
it's a win win

Don't be such a cynic!

224 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:54:23pm

re: #219 Killgore Trout

Baghdad Bob
Tripoli Ted?

Yeah. Hospitals are being filled to capacity with civilian casualties from the Zionist air force!
Crap like that.

225 Girth  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:55:04pm

re: #212 mracb

Not sure but some are calling this the Palin Doctrine.

[Link: www.nysun.com...]

I just read that three times and I still don't know what the Palin Doctrine is.

226 jaunte  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:56:00pm

re: #225 Girth

She will make more decisions, faster and more decisively.

227 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:56:07pm

re: #218 albusteve

The rebels shot down their own plane this morning. Reports from the last week of rebels without enough sense to dig foxholes or take cover while under artillery fire. They aren't much of a fighting force.

228 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:56:23pm

Alright, enough of that crap. Mute.
Sheesh.

229 avanti  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:56:31pm

re: #203 Gus 802

All I can think of is LOL. Wingers are such stark raving hypocrites.

In fairness, I found one reasonable post on Hot Air, but he's paying for it.:

"Gaddafi has been around since Reagan was prez, so you can hardly wag your finger at Obama. I dislike Obama’s policies as much as the next freedom-loving guy, but I wonder how much better Bush, Bush, Clinton and Reagan would have handled it.

Gaddafi sucks. The rebels are probably militant Muslims, so they suck too. The whole region sucks."

230 Donna Ballard  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:56:41pm

re: #215 abolitionist

It's my understanding that his formal education is in "communications".

Uh huh. And just what university did he go to and why the heck hasn't it been bombed yet?!?! The man has all the guile of a snake and the venom of a Gila monster! Slimy scrapings of bottom of the gene pool to boot!

231 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:57:04pm

I like the flute music

232 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:57:13pm

re: #220 webevintage

Who wants to bet that tomorrow in an EXCLUSIVE interview with MTP McCain will be bitching about the action against Libya?

MTP?

233 Racer X  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:57:21pm

re: #214 webevintage

Cleaned up:

The protests in many places in the Middle East affect regimes that have cooperated with the U.S. on issues from peace with Israel, fighting al Qaeda, hosting our military forces, or cooperating against Iran’s nuclear ambitions.

Gaddafi’s Libya is different. For four decades, this tyrant has held power. Gaddafi was Osama before Osama hit the scene. He ordered the bombing of a disco in Germany to kill Americans. When he paid the price for that – after President Reagan rightly ordered retaliation – he directed his agents to blow up Pan Am Flight 103. They did, and more than 250 innocent people died.

Gaddafi tried to come in from the cold in 2003 – scared by the demonstration effect of Iraq. But we should have no illusions. Gaddafi is a brutal killer and Libya – not to mention the world – would be better off if he were out of power. Now is the time to speak out. Speak out for the long-suffering Libyan people. Speak out for the victims of Gaddafi’s terror.

NATO and our allies should look at establishing a no-fly zone so Libyan air forces cannot continue slaughtering the Libyan people. We should not be afraid of freedom, especially when it comes to people suffering under a brutal enemy of America. Here’s to freedom from Gaddafi for the people of Libya.

Doesn't sound like crazy talk to me.

234 Gus  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:57:24pm

re: #229 avanti

In fairness, I found one reasonable post on Hot Air, but he's paying for it.:

"Gaddafi has been around since Reagan was prez, so you can hardly wag your finger at Obama. I dislike Obama’s policies as much as the next freedom-loving guy, but I wonder how much better Bush, Bush, Clinton and Reagan would have handled it.

Gaddafi sucks. The rebels are probably militant Muslims, so they suck too. The whole region sucks."

Yeah, good for him. But then you'll get that "kill them all" winger reaction.

235 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:57:29pm

re: #232 Dark_Falcon

MTP?

Meet the Press.

236 Gus  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:58:07pm

This is being Tweeted. Kind of funny:

Obama goes to third war in Libya simply to annoy Ron Paul

237 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:58:23pm

re: #227 Killgore Trout

The rebels shot down their own plane this morning. Reports from the last week of rebels without enough sense to dig foxholes or take cover while under artillery fire. They aren't much of a fighting force.

Friendly Fire isn't.

/Murphy's Laws of Combat

238 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:58:48pm

re: #225 Girth

I just read that three times and I still don't know what the Palin Doctrine is.

To seek out the big wild good life that is north on the road to the future.

239 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:59:06pm

re: #236 Gus 802

This is being Tweeted. Kind of funny:

Obama goes to third war in Libya simply to annoy Ron Paul

Shall we put this war on Visa or Mastercard?

240 albusteve  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:59:09pm

re: #227 Killgore Trout

The rebels shot down their own plane this morning. Reports from the last week of rebels without enough sense to dig foxholes or take cover while under artillery fire. They aren't much of a fighting force.

my point is that they don't need to be...the air part is done for them now and a lack of decent communications won't hurt them again like that....whoever has the most guts to stand and fight will win

241 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:59:20pm

re: #238 Renaissance_Man

To seek out the big wild good life that is north on the road to the future.

That makes even less sense!

242 Lidane  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 1:59:57pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

The wingnuts at Hot Air are bitching that congress hasn't been consulted.
lol

Because they were all about consulting Congress before. LOL!

243 abolitionist  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 2:00:04pm

re: #230 Dragon_Lady

Uh huh. And just what university did he go to and why the heck hasn't it been bombed yet?!?! The man has all the guile of a snake and the venom of a Gila monster! Slimy scrapings of bottom of the gene pool to boot!

Don't recall for sure what university, but I'd guess University of Cairo, Egypt.

244 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 2:01:35pm

re: #235 Varek Raith

Meet the Press.

McCain won't do any such complaining. He's not a wingnut. He pandered to them a bit last year, but he is not one of them. Further, he'd never lay into the Navy while it is fighting, nor the Air Force for that matter. His love of the military is deep and genuine, the attitude of a man who served honorably for two decades in the Navy.

245 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 2:01:49pm

re: #241 Varek Raith

That makes even less sense!

Au contraire - it makes perfect sense. The problem most of us have (you might call us non-real Americans) is that we read her words and try to read words. Words are not the language she is communicating in. She is communicating in emotions. That's the language of the modern American Conservative.

246 Donna Ballard  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 2:02:34pm

re: #228 Varek Raith

Alright, enough of that crap. Mute.
Sheesh.

Yeah, talking heads have that effect on me too. Normally I'd have made RWC switch channels by now. My B.S. Meter can only take so much yaking.

247 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 2:03:20pm

re: #239 Decatur Deb

Shall we put this war on Visa or Mastercard?

Capital One Mastercard. Obama needs airline miles to take his staff on vacation with him.

/I'm kidding, just having fun with the joke.

248 Lidane  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 2:03:55pm

re: #245 Renaissance_Man

Au contraire - it makes perfect sense. The problem most of us have (you might call us non-real Americans) is that we read her words and try to read words. Words are not the language she is communicating in. She is communicating in emotions. That's the language of the modern American Conservative.

It's Truthiness, writ large. That's why people don't see the satire in Colbert's routine.

249 Donna Ballard  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 2:04:00pm

Moving upstairs, see you all there! :)

250 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 2:04:22pm

re: #247 Dark_Falcon

Capital One Mastercard. Obama needs airline miles to take his staff on vacation with him.

/I'm kidding, just having fun with the joke.


Good opportunity to use "wingnut mode".

251 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 2:04:23pm

re: #247 Dark_Falcon

Capital One Mastercard. Obama needs airline miles to take his staff on vacation with him.

/I'm kidding, just having fun with the joke.

If only you people would've listened!
re: #33 Varek Raith

I say we annex the entire Caribbean. Vacation homes for everyone!

252 prairiefire  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 2:04:38pm

re: #233 Racer X

Cleaned up:

Doesn't sound like crazy talk to me.

That reads so much better. And, I agree with her (arghh).

253 AK-47%  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 2:06:23pm

re: #245 Renaissance_Man

Au contraire - it makes perfect sense. The problem most of us have (you might call us non-real Americans) is that we read her words and try to read words. Words are not the language she is communicating in. She is communicating in emotions. That's the language of the modern American Conservative.

I think that was supposed to be her job in the McCain campaign: to stand there, look good and embody all those good conservative virtues of family and self-reliance and hard work, etc.

But then she started talking and would not shut up...

254 quiet reader  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 2:08:21pm

re: #167 Varek Raith

Libyan state TV says "The Zionist airfoce has bombed a hospital treating terminal patients".

Who believes this bullshit???

Gadaffi believes the Jews have joined up with Muslim extremists and they have drugged the rebels. I listened to the rambling deranged speech he made shortly before the Security Council's vote on the no fly zone. The Colonel and reality have parted company. The speech really gets strange at around 13.13, he mentions using Libyan planes to liberate Palestine and not to bomb graveyards....if you think that's crazy, it get's worse near the end of the speech.

Youtube Video
255 Lidane  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 2:10:48pm

re: #253 ralphieboy

I think that was supposed to be her job in the McCain campaign: to stand there, look good and embody all those good conservative virtues of family and self-reliance and hard work, etc.

But then she started talking and would not shut up...

Which they would have known if they'd properly vetted her the way they did all their actual VP choices, like Romney and Lieberman.

256 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 2:10:48pm

re: #254 quiet reader

Gadaffi believes the Jews have joined up with Muslim extremists and they have drugged the rebels. I listened to the rambling deranged speech he made shortly before the Security Council's vote on the no fly zone. The Colonel and reality have parted company. The speech really gets strange at around 13.13, he mentions using Libyan planes to liberate Palestine and not to bomb graveyards...if you think that's crazy, it get's worse near the end of the speech.

[Video]

Gaddafi parted from reality a long way back.

257 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 2:12:42pm

re: #254 quiet reader

Your suggesting something that is probably wrong. That Gaddafi and reality had ever been in the same room.

258 Ojoe  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 2:19:07pm

re: #178 ralphieboy

This is not a war that Obama foisted on us, it is one that started itself, we are just intervening on the side of humanity.

Like we should have done in the late 1930s, and called Hitler's bluff.

259 reidr  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 2:45:14pm

re: #69 Jeff In Ohio

That didn't help, But give Obama some credit, that was one fucking amazing campaign. And as the Hamburger Helper Girls says "and I helped!'

You'd think given the economic conditions, hate for Bush, lousy Republican candidates, and great Obama campaign that Obama would have won the popular vote by 40 million votes. It's scary to think that with so many things working in his favor it was still so relatively close.

260 sagehen  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 2:51:12pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Governor Palin’s Q&A at the India Today Conclave (video)

The interviewer says Palin supports free market and therefor supports outsourcing. The audience applauds.
I just started watching, pretty funny stuff.

I really like that shirt? jacket? whatever that thing is she's wearing.

261 quiet reader  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 2:51:48pm

re: #256 Dark_Falcon

#257 ProLifeLiberal

Gaddafi parted from reality a long way back.


He was sane enough to pull off being dictator for 40 years and got away with sponsoring international terrorism. That guy isn't here anymore, a different colonel now occupies his head, one unable to accept the fact that he has become the proverbial cornered rat. He has no place to run and if lucky, Gaddafi is facing a trial at the Hague. The reason I used lucky was because that is the only way Gaddafi gets out this alive.
I wonder if he has a bunker?

262 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 3:12:29pm

Okay time for a Dogfish Head 90 minute brew. Anyone else?

263 Obdicut  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 3:15:31pm

re: #262 Rightwingconspirator

Lagunitas IPA.

264 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 3:36:49pm

Via DSM-IV -- Narcissistic personality disorder:

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:
Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
Requires excessive admiration
Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
Is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her
Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

265 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 3:50:36pm

I dunno .... She seems like more of a "bottom" than a "top."

266 Achilles Tang  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 3:51:23pm

re: #138 recusancy

I'll bet you $1000 that she doesn't become POTUS. I'll give you 1000:1 odds. Deal?

Deal. The odds are still better than a $1 lottery ticket. You're on. (BTW, do you have $1000? I have $1)

267 Rabbitrunner  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 4:13:54pm

Only someone so stupid could be so deluded

268 Querent  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 5:40:59pm

re: #230 Dragon_Lady

Uh huh. And just what university did he go to and why the heck hasn't it been bombed yet?!?! The man has all the guile of a snake and the venom of a Gila monster! Slimy scrapings of bottom of the gene pool to boot!

Don't hold back -- tell us how you REALLY feel...

269 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 19, 2011 11:58:03pm

Shit if she had been at the top of the ticket, it would have been even worse. Think about it, a then half term governor of Alaska. Not trying to demean Alaska but I had ot laugh when her defenders said "Well she governed a big state." Alaska is size wise the biggest state in the union but its population and economy are more on the bottom tier.

270 Decider  Sun, Mar 20, 2011 10:59:09am

I just so hope she runs. Of course her base will blame the media on the lost but it will be fun nonetheless.

271 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 20, 2011 3:12:34pm

re: #2 sagehen

She has just guaranteed that every bit of dirt, every single embarrassing secret, that anybody on the McCain has on her... will not remain secret.

If I were Cindy or Megan, and I read that quote...

272 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 20, 2011 3:16:01pm

re: #9 elizajane

To be fair, George W. Bush was a much bigger reason than she was for the 2008 loss. But if she wants to work on upping her responsibility for Republican losses, she's certainly going about it the right way.

Well, yes, but Bush was a much bigger reason because he'd actually served as president for eight years. (I almost typed twelve years, but it just FELT like twelve years.) For Palin to cause the amount of damage she did without actually having to make any choices or carry around any launch codes was impressive.


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