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1 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:15:10pm
utter darkness, famine, despair, and the end of the world.


WTH, Glenn?
You didn’t bother to consult me?
Weaksauce, man, weaksauce.
:)

2 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:15:46pm

It may be the end of the world, but I feel fine.

3 Kragar  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:17:26pm

Wait a few days and the end will still be nigh, but you can still get a great deal on gold and seeds.

4 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:19:13pm

There’s a sucker born again every minute.

5 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:19:29pm

re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Wait a few days and the end will still be nigh, but you can still get a great deal on gold and seeds.

And now, for a limited time only, potassium iodide pills! Get them now, before the radiation from Japan causes your huevos to fall off!

/

6 jaunte  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:20:42pm

re: #5 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Our heirloom seeds are in danger!?!

7 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:21:16pm

Glenn, I don’t not believe in Revelations because I’m part of the ‘anti-God network’. I don’t believe because I’m a Jew.

I hope that’s OK with you.

I would like to point out, also, Glenn, that basically, you and Ahmadinejad appear to be on the same page here, which you might reasonably find disturbing.

8 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:21:53pm

re: #6 jaunte

Our heirloom seeds are in danger!?!

And our Precious Bodily Fluids. Care for a rainwater and grain alcohol?

9 Mickey_being_mickey  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:22:39pm

I think the Ghostbusters covered this already.

Youtube Video
10 Kragar  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:23:59pm

The book of Revelations? Seriously? That is the basis of his argument?

This man is one sweeps week away from snake handling and speaking in tongues.

11 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:25:03pm

Lenny Bruce is not afraid.

Youtube Video
12 Gus  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:25:03pm

re: #10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The book of Revelations? Seriously? That is the basis of his argument?

This man is one sweeps week away from snake handling and speaking in tongues.

He’s past that.

13 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:25:33pm

re: #10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The book of Revelations? Seriously? That is the basis of his argument?

This man is one sweeps week away from snake handling and speaking in tongues.

I keep wondering how this man has not had a nervous breakdown on live TV/radio yet.

14 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:25:39pm

re: #9 Mickey_being_mickey

I think the Ghostbusters covered this already.

[Video]

“Is this true?”

“Yes, it’s true. Glenn Beck has no dick.”

/

15 Gus  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:25:42pm

His slack jawed followers eat this shit up though.

16 Mickey_being_mickey  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:26:27pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

Well played.

17 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:26:40pm

I believe he has two daughters in college somewhere. Would I sound presumptuous if I said I feel sorry for them?

18 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:26:48pm

It is interesting, though, that he argues that Muslims want to create chaos for the same reason that I’ve heard it argued that fundamentalist Christians want to create chaos—it will force the coming of Moshiach, however you understand that.

Does anyone know how far back this twelfth imam business actually goes as a popular theme?

19 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:27:17pm

re: #13 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I keep wondering how this man has not had a nervous breakdown on live TV/radio yet.

I think he’s had several, but the cameras keep rolling.

20 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:27:41pm

re: #18 SanFranciscoZionist

It is interesting, though, that he argues that Muslims want to create chaos for the same reason that I’ve heard it argued that fundamentalist Christians want to create chaos—it will force the coming of Moshiach, however you understand that.

Does anyone know how far back this twelfth imam business actually goes as a popular theme?

1300 years?

21 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:28:02pm

re: #17 Naso Tang

I believe he has two daughters in college somewhere. Would I sound presumptuous if I said I feel sorry for them?

Well, I assume all this drama at least pays their tuition.

22 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:28:44pm

re: #16 Mickey_being_mickey

Well played.

Thanks. Back in High School, assholes used to insult me with that exchange. But I got over it and found it has its uses for mocking certain particularly crazy or nasty people. Glenn Beck is both crazy and nasty.

23 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:28:45pm

re: #13 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I keep wondering how this man has not had a nervous breakdown on live TV/radio yet.

I think he practices before a mirror.
The real breakdown has happened; he was just so practiced at it, he’s managed to appear to be able to overcome it.

24 Kragar  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:28:50pm

re: #13 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I keep wondering how this man has not had a nervous breakdown on live TV/radio yet.

Howard Beale is going to have an intervention for Glenn.

25 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:28:57pm

re: #17 Naso Tang

I believe he has two daughters in college somewhere. Would I sound presumptuous if I said I feel sorry for them?

No need to feel sorry for them. Everybody thinks their parents are ass holes. His daughters have the benefit of being correct.

26 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:29:25pm

re: #25 Killgore Trout

No need to feel sorry for them. Everybody thinks their parents are ass holes. His daughters have the benefit of being correct.

Crap.
You mean my kid thinks I’m an asshole?

27 austin_blue  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:29:48pm

re: #7 SanFranciscoZionist

Glenn, I don’t not believe in Revelations because I’m part of the ‘anti-God network’. I don’t believe because I’m a Jew.

I hope that’s OK with you.

I would like to point out, also, Glenn, that basically, you and Ahmadinejad appear to be on the same page here, which you might reasonably find disturbing.

Sweet!

28 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:29:59pm

re: #20 Naso Tang

1300 years?

That’s my question. It’s really not clear to me how central this belief is to Muslim theology, how universal it is, and whether there’s a recent rise of interest in it. Did Mohammed ever mention a twelfth imam? Would Ahmedinejad’s grandmother have recognized this as a core belief?

Does anyone have a book to recommend that wasn’t written by a crazy person?

29 Mickey_being_mickey  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:30:59pm

re: #18 SanFranciscoZionist

Pope Innocent III and the Fourth Crusade

30 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:31:09pm

re: #23 reine.de.tout

I think he practices before a mirror.
The real breakdown has happened; he was just so practiced at it, he’s managed to appear to be able to overcome it.

That or he’s crazy enough to believe the shit he’s spewing.

Meanwhile, Alex Jones is ringing his phone every night, demanding his schtick back.

31 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:31:36pm

re: #26 reine.de.tout

Crap.
You mean my kid thinks I’m an asshole?

And hell’s bells!
The worst of it … she just very well might be correct!

32 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:31:55pm

Glenn, I don’t not believe in Revelations because I’m part of the ‘anti-God network’. I don’t believe because I’m a Christian. (thanks to SFZ) I don’t believe that a book long rant against the Emperor Nero has any freaking thing to do with the Messiah (first or second coming). Foo on it and you.

33 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:32:23pm

re: #29 Mickey_being_mickey

Pope Innocent III and the Fourth Crusade

That’s when it develops?

Wasn’t the Fourth Crusade the one where they ended up sacking Constantinople?

34 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:32:40pm

re: #31 reine.de.tout

And hell’s bells!
The worst of it … she just very well might be correct!

Reine, I should down-ding you for that, I should.

35 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:33:54pm

re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist

Reine, I should down-ding you for that, I should.

Well - *sigh* - go ahead, I guess.
If you must.

36 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:33:57pm

“no intelligent person believes the book of revelation” say the haters of Christianity, he says.

Am I missing something here? Doesn’t that book say the same thing that he is saying the other side says?

So, he is saying his book says the same thing he is warning against from the bad Muslims?

Why isn’t he rejoicing?

I’m confused.

37 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:34:16pm

re: #28 SanFranciscoZionist

That’s my question. It’s really not clear to me how central this belief is to Muslim theology, how universal it is, and whether there’s a recent rise of interest in it. Did Mohammed ever mention a twelfth imam? Would Ahmedinejad’s grandmother have recognized this as a core belief?

Does anyone have a book to recommend that wasn’t written by a crazy person?

It’s a Shite belief, not found among Sunnis.

38 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:34:58pm

re: #36 Naso Tang

“no intelligent person believes the book of revelation” say the haters of Christianity, he says.

Am I missing something here? Doesn’t that book say the same thing that he is saying the other side says?

So, he is saying his book says the same thing he is warning against from the bad Muslims?

Why isn’t he rejoicing?

I’m confused.

Theology is good, so long as it’s the right theology.

39 austin_blue  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:35:00pm

I hear Beck spout off, and somehow I am reminded of this movie quote:


Ah. Well… I attended Juilliard… I’m a graduate of the Harvard business school. I travel quite extensively. I lived through the Black Plague and had a pretty good time during that. I’ve seen the EXORCIST ABOUT A HUNDRED AND SIXTY-SEVEN TIMES, AND IT KEEPS GETTING FUNNIER EVERY SINGLE TIME I SEE IT… NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT YOU’RE TALKING TO A DEAD GUY… NOW WHAT DO YOU THINK? You think I’m qualified?

Must be the drugs in my past…

40 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:35:04pm

re: #25 Killgore Trout

No need to feel sorry for them. Everybody thinks their parents are ass holes. His daughters have the benefit of being correct.

That’s funny, but I will have you know that my daughters only thought so through middle school.

41 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:35:17pm

re: #36 Naso Tang

“no intelligent person believes the book of revelation” say the haters of Christianity, he says.

Am I missing something here? Doesn’t that book say the same thing that he is saying the other side says?

So, he is saying his book says the same thing he is warning against from the bad Muslims?

Why isn’t he rejoicing?

I’m confused.

I think he believes that everyone is aware of the coming cosmic battle between the forces of good and evil, he just thinks that he is good, and the Muslims are evil.

42 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:35:46pm

re: #39 austin_blue

I hear Beck spout off, and somehow I am reminded of this movie quote:

Ah. Well… I attended Juilliard… I’m a graduate of the Harvard business school. I travel quite extensively. I lived through the Black Plague and had a pretty good time during that. I’ve seen the EXORCIST ABOUT A HUNDRED AND SIXTY-SEVEN TIMES, AND IT KEEPS GETTING FUNNIER EVERY SINGLE TIME I SEE IT… NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT YOU’RE TALKING TO A DEAD GUY… NOW WHAT DO YOU THINK? You think I’m qualified?

Must be the drugs in my past…

Unfortunately, this nutbar doesn’t disappear when we chant his name three times.

43 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:35:59pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

It’s a Shite belief, not found among Sunnis.

Thanks. Well, Farrakhan may not exactly be a Sunni, but he’s certainly not a Shiite.

44 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:37:49pm

re: #43 SanFranciscoZionist

Thanks. Well, Farrakhan may not exactly be a Sunni, but he’s certainly not a Shiite.

No, he is a Shit.

45 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:37:58pm

re: #33 SanFranciscoZionist

That’s when it develops?

Wasn’t the Fourth Crusade the one where they ended up sacking Constantinople?

Yes, alas.

46 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:38:18pm

re: #42 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Unfortunately, this nutbar doesn’t disappear when we chant his name three times.

No, but the Handbook for the Recently Deceased is a hardcover, so it would be useful for smacking Beck upside the head with.

/kidding

47 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:38:40pm

re: #26 reine.de.tout

Crap.
You mean my kid thinks I’m an asshole?


Probably and they’re probably correct. We all are, it’s the human condition. So it goes.

48 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:38:59pm

re: #46 Dark_Falcon

No, but the Handbook for the Recently Deceased is a hardcover, so it would be useful for smacking Beck upside the head with.

/kidding

Yeah, but it reads like stereo instructions. I could never get past the first chapter.

49 Kragar  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:39:26pm

re: #33 SanFranciscoZionist

That’s when it develops?

Wasn’t the Fourth Crusade the one where they ended up sacking Constantinople?

They were told it was Istanbul.

50 Mickey_being_mickey  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:39:41pm

re: #33 SanFranciscoZionist

Come to think of it you might be right. My Crusader history is rusty. And we didn’t spend alot of time on it in school. And high school was a long time ago.

51 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:40:08pm

re: #31 reine.de.tout

And hell’s bells!
The worst of it … she just very well might be correct!

lol, you beat me to it.

52 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:40:36pm

re: #49 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They were told it was Istanbul.

An understandable mistake.

53 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:40:39pm

re: #48 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, but it reads like stereo instructions. I could never get past the first chapter.

You don’t need to read it. Just smack Beck with it. Then put it on your bookcase. It’s leatherbound and will make you look mysterious and brooding.

54 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:40:48pm

re: #47 Killgore Trout

Probably and they’re probably correct. We all are, it’s the human condition. So it goes.

I was kidding.

I know that’s what she thinks; I’ve caught her practicing in front of a mirror, various different ways to tell me so.

55 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:41:06pm

Post No Bills
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56 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:43:00pm

BBT

57 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:43:31pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

You don’t need to read it. Just smack Beck with it. Then put it on your bookcase. It’s leatherbound and will make you look mysterious and brooding.

Bah, that’s what I’ve got this for:

Image: necronomicon-evildead2.jpg

58 Virginia Plain  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:43:32pm

Just finished watching the first episode of Firefly. I don’t know, but to me it’s just too similar to Cowboy Bebop, with more people, and it’s not animated.

59 Linden Arden  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:44:28pm

re: #18 SanFranciscoZionist

12th Imam coming back to life = Crazy Muslim shit!

Jesus coming back to life = completely natural!


What a fricking loon Beck is….

60 austin_blue  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:46:51pm

Night all. Sweet dreams. Be kind. Hold a good thought for those who are under guns (physical and metaphorical) tonight, It’s a tough old world, and we should embrace our kith and kin.

Adios.

61 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:46:51pm

re: #57 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Bah, that’s what I’ve got this for:

Image: necronomicon-evildead2.jpg

Put that away. We need to save that till later this year. By then we’ll have enough magic power resurrect William F. Buckley. Then we’ll finally have a conservative with enough stature to bounce Beck out of respectability.

/I wish

62 Linden Arden  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:49:18pm

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

Once in a while I watch Buckley and Chomsky debate on youtube….

Oh - they were so erudite and feisty at the same time —- those days are gone.

63 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:49:33pm

re: #58 Virginia Plain

Just finished watching the first episode of Firefly. I don’t know, but to me it’s just too similar to Cowboy Bebop, with more people, and it’s not animated.

You’ve not missed anything. It’s a bad post US Civil War Western In Space show. Just imagine if Jesse Wales had a starship… foo.

The movie, Serenity, manages to slightly overcome it’s origins.

He writes good dialog. But he knows little science and every scene in the program shows the ignorance of science. If I’m going to watch the particle of the week, I’ll stick to Star Trek. At least I started watching that as a child too young to know better.

64 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:50:49pm

re: #59 Linden Arden

12th Imam coming back to life = Crazy Muslim shit!

Jesus coming back to life = completely natural!

What a fricking loon Beck is…

Well, to be fair, I believe the second of those will happen, or rather that Jesus already came back it life and will return to Earth and put an end to sin and wickedness. But I do not know when that will happen, and I admit it is something that must be accepted on faith.

65 Kragar  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:51:17pm

re: #63 wlewisiii

You’ve not missed anything. It’s a bad post US Civil War Western In Space show. Just imagine if Jesse Wales had a starship… foo.

The movie, Serenity, manages to slightly overcome it’s origins.

He writes good dialog. But he knows little science and every scene in the program shows the ignorance of science. If I’m going to watch the particle of the week, I’ll stick to Star Trek. At least I started watching that as a child too young to know better.

Maybe we can just modify the deflector array?

66 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:51:43pm

re: #58 Virginia Plain

Just finished watching the first episode of Firefly. I don’t know, but to me it’s just too similar to Cowboy Bebop, with more people, and it’s not animated.

Give it a couple more episodes.

67 Mickey_being_mickey  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:53:37pm
The impulse to characterise Islam as a foreign and even evil creed goes deep into our history. It was in 1213 that Pope Innocent III described Mohammed as ‘the Beast of the Apocalypse’ and in subsequent centuries the threatening reality of Islam’s military might was overlaid by an even more frightening fantasy in which Islam was perceived as a demonic force with Mohammed himself as Antichrist.

RichardWebster.net

I was close.

68 Linden Arden  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:55:17pm

re: #64 Dark_Falcon

As an atheist I learned my new favorite Bible verse this week!

Luke 17:20-21 (King James Version)

20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

69 Mickey_being_mickey  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:56:17pm

re: #58 Virginia Plain

Cowboy Bebop and Firefly are both great viewing. Desert Punk is a great anime too. But nothing has come close to Trigun yet.

70 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:59:02pm

re: #68 Linden Arden

As an atheist I learned my new favorite Bible verse this week!

Good one.

Good night, all.

71 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 9:59:48pm

Hey all!

Puppy is asleep!

I’ve had such a nice evening with this new little guy, I don’t want to listen to the raving freakazoid’s tale of the end of the world. Is that ok?

how is everyone?

72 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 10:00:34pm

re: #68 Linden Arden

As an atheist I learned my new favorite Bible verse this week!

It is also the title of what is considered Leo Tolstoy’s greatest work. Non-fiction.

73 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 10:02:10pm

re: #68 Linden Arden

As an atheist I learned my new favorite Bible verse this week!

To be sure, it’s always true if you accept the premise of Christianity. There is nothing outside of us that can defile us, only what we set free from inside us.

74 Linden Arden  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 10:05:30pm

re: #72 ggt

It is also the title of what is considered Leo Tolstoy’s greatest work. Non-fiction.

Please provide the title?

I seriously do not know.

75 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 10:07:50pm

re: #74 Linden Arden

Please provide the title?

I seriously do not know.

The Kingdom of God is Within You, by Leo Tolstoy

76 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 10:08:27pm

It is raining hail and raindrops in the Very Far Western Parts of Chicagoland.

77 Linden Arden  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 10:08:58pm

re: #75 ggt

Thank you!

Off to do some research.

78 dragonfire1981  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 10:12:11pm

The book of Revelation is one of the most discussed and controversial in the entire Bible. Some believe it describes events which have already occurred others think it discusses events that haven’t happened yet. It has never been fully and conclusively interpreted but it uses a lot of symbolism and supernatural imagery.

I am not sure anyone has mentioned it at LGF yet but there was a big uproar from the right when an MSNBC commentator called Revelation a work of fiction.

As I said earlier a lot of descriptions of the end times, including in the bible itself are somewhat vague and general and could apply to potentially any time period in history. There will always be natural disasters, there will always be countries at war and there will always people suffering.

79 sagehen  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 10:14:26pm

re: #26 reine.de.tout

Crap.
You mean my kid thinks I’m an asshole?

Only if s/he’s a teenager.

80 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 10:20:18pm

re: #78 dragonfire1981

The book of Revelation is one of the most discussed and controversial in the entire Bible. Some believe it describes events which have already occurred others think it discusses events that haven’t happened yet. It has never been fully and conclusively interpreted but it uses a lot of symbolism and supernatural imagery.

I am not sure anyone has mentioned it at LGF yet but there was a big uproar from the right when an MSNBC commentator called Revelation a work of fiction.

As I said earlier a lot of descriptions of the end times, including in the bible itself are somewhat vague and general and could apply to potentially any time period in history. There will always be natural disasters, there will always be countries at war and there will always people suffering.

so much of Western History is tied with Christianity, I think ignoring it is rather naive.

The “great rules” of life are universal, people have to learn them somewhere. I don’t understand why it seems most people need a religion to learn them, or obey them, but it seems that is the way it works.

After learning the rules of “live and let live”, “do unto others …”, don’t murder, don’t lie, don’t steal, I’m pretty much done with religion. I can’t imagine actually worshipping any man, Jesus or whomever.

I don’t really understand the purpose of worshipping, other than making money from he worshipper. I guess worshipping “no gods before me” unless it keeps the sheep from following really bad men. That is, if the one being worshipped is a true representative of the eternal truth.

I like St Thomas Aquinas’s idea that the definition of God is: “That than which nothing greater can be conceived”.

81 avanti  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 10:21:33pm

re: #78 dragonfire1981

The book of Revelation is one of the most discussed and controversial in the entire Bible. Some believe it describes events which have already occurred others think it discusses events that haven’t happened yet. It has never been fully and conclusively interpreted but it uses a lot of symbolism and supernatural imagery.

I am not sure anyone has mentioned it at LGF yet but there was a big uproar from the right when an MSNBC commentator called Revelation a work of fiction.

As I said earlier a lot of descriptions of the end times, including in the bible itself are somewhat vague and general and could apply to potentially any time period in history. There will always be natural disasters, there will always be countries at war and there will always people suffering.

I don’t think it’s fiction, more of a fantasy, describing who know what. It is a interesting read, but not anything I’d bet the farm on.

82 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 10:22:15pm

re: #81 avanti

I don’t think it’s fiction, more of a fantasy, describing who know what. It is a interesting read, but not anything I’d bet the farm on.

I wonder how much is lost in time and translation … .

83 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 10:22:50pm

re: #78 dragonfire1981

The book of Revelation is one of the most discussed and controversial in the entire Bible. Some believe it describes events which have already occurred others think it discusses events that haven’t happened yet. It has never been fully and conclusively interpreted but it uses a lot of symbolism and supernatural imagery.

I am not sure anyone has mentioned it at LGF yet but there was a big uproar from the right when an MSNBC commentator called Revelation a work of fiction.

As I said earlier a lot of descriptions of the end times, including in the bible itself are somewhat vague and general and could apply to potentially any time period in history. There will always be natural disasters, there will always be countries at war and there will always people suffering.

To be honest, I view Revelations with the same level of skepticism that I view Nostradamus’ predictions, namely open to interpretation and often made to fit situations that may not be entirely accurate. It’s not surprising that so many feel that, in these trying days, looking to such “predictions” for some sign of hope or at least an idea of what the future brings find such easy sources.

84 avanti  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 10:29:23pm

re: #83 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

To be honest, I view Revelations with the same level of skepticism that I view Nostradamus’ predictions, namely open to interpretation and often made to fit situations that may not be entirely accurate. It’s not surprising that so many feel that, in these trying days, looking to such “predictions” for some sign of hope or at least an idea of what the future brings find such easy sources.

I recall when it was used to claim Obama was the Anti-Christ

Anti-Christ..

85 theheat  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 10:29:25pm

May 22nd, I’m flipping these assholes off. December 22, 2012, I’m also going to flip these people off.

The sentence for promoting this kind of end times bullshit should be a slap upside the head by every single person that listened to them. Form a long line. Each person in that line slap them upside the head.

That end times shit would die down pretty fast if the penalty for bullshit sensationalized prophecy was a slap upside the melon.

86 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 10:29:30pm

re: #81 avanti

I don’t think it’s fiction, more of a fantasy, describing who know what. It is a interesting read, but not anything I’d bet the farm on.

Part of the problem, or so I’ve been taught, is that when Constantine converted he wanted an Official Bible. Such did not yet exist. Most of the books were easily decided upon - but not that last one. Apocalypses were very popular in the 4th century (there are a boat load still known about) and so the compilers had to decide which one. The one of John was reasonably mild (!) and got the nod.

Sigh, sometimes, between the fights over the creed and the canon, I wonder if Constantine was really a friend of Christ or not…

87 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 10:34:44pm

re: #85 theheat

May 22nd, I’m flipping these assholes off. December 22, 2012, I’m also going to flip these people off.

The sentence for promoting this kind of end times bullshit should be a slap upside the head by every single person that listened to them. Form a long line. Each person in that line slap them upside the head.

That end times shit would die down pretty fast if the penalty for bullshit sensationalized prophecy was a slap upside the melon.

Thing is, this is nothing new or different. At the turn of the 20th century, there were plenty of groups out there predicting the end-times were “just around the corner.” Setting up dates for when the rapture would happen, the final battle would take place, and so forth. And at the turn of the 19th century, the 18th century, etc, etc.

And every time, there was much hysteria and doom-saying before…well, nothing. The dates came and went, the world kept on chugging, and the folks who’d bought into the whole shebang shrugged their shoulders and moved on. The “prophets” either faded into obscurity or spent the rest of their lives trying to live down the bullshit they’d spent years spewing to no end.

88 ssn697  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 10:41:27pm

Did Beck just do a “my end of the world story is more correct than yours” bit?

89 theheat  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 10:42:10pm

re: #87 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

How many of these people do you think went on to have (or continued to have) multimillion dollar contracts on a network station as part of the “humiliation” for spreading lies?

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 10:43:28pm

re: #88 ssn697

Did Beck just do a “my end of the world story is more correct than yours” bit?

Sort of. It’s more like, “The forces of light and darkness are marshaling for the last battle, and the secularists are hoping you won’t notice.”

At least, I think that’s what he said.

91 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 10:46:14pm

re: #89 theheat

How many of these people do you think went on to have (or continued to have) multimillion dollar contracts on a network station as part of the “humiliation” for spreading lies?

Oh, there have been plenty of hucksters over the centuries, those who sell various and sundry things, from “religious relics” to “doomsday vaults” or what have you to the rubes who will gladly fork over their money in the hopes that they will be spared. Beck’s claim to fame is that he’s found not only a radio station, but a cable TV “news” network that’s willing to pay him to hock his wares.

92 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 11:06:21pm

Bleah, 1:00 AM CDT already. Gotta go crash. BBL.

93 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 11:18:24pm

re: #90 SanFranciscoZionist

Sort of. It’s more like, “The forces of light and darkness are marshaling for the last battle, and the secularists are hoping you won’t notice.”

At least, I think that’s what he said.

I think it was more like “send your money NOW!”

94 Decider  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 11:29:33pm

Every time I quit drinking and smoking I watch Beck and start back after he reminds me of the evil, Marxist, Communist, Socialist, Black Panther in the White House trying to kill all the White people.

95 Decider  Mon, Mar 21, 2011 11:31:53pm

re: #10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The book of Revelations? Seriously? That is the basis of his argument?

This man is one sweeps week away from snake handling and speaking in tongues.

Good money is that he will drink his own pee. Should give him top ratings for at least 1 month.

96 Kragar  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:07:51am

re: #95 Decider

Good money is that he will drink his own pee. Should give him top ratings for at least 1 month.

Nah, that guy on the discovery channel already did it.

97 Kragar  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:14:11am

mmm, ice cold beer and dark chocolate macadamia nuts

98 TedStriker  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:14:46am

re: #97 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

mmm, ice cold beer and dark chocolate macadamia nuts

And pee…

;-P

99 Kragar  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:19:47am

re: #98 talon_262

And pee…

;-P

That will work itself out later.

100 Summer Seale  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:06:15am

Hey Glenn!

Youtube Video

(How many times do I actually have to post that…?) =)

101 freetoken  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:39:10am

Did someone mention the End of the World?

MP3 Audio
102 freetoken  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:51:17am

6.4 off the coast of Fukushima:

[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov…]

Hmmm… maybe it is the end of the world…

103 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:56:31am
Youtube Video

Groovy

104 laZardo  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:58:59am

“Is the world ending? We hope so. We need the ratings. The news is next.”

/because San Andreas.

//also good eeevening.

105 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:09:26am

re: #104 laZardo

what about the information

Youtube Video
106 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:11:28am

i petted her revolting chihuahua

Youtube Video
107 laZardo  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:24:53am

re: #105 WindUpBird

what about the information

[Video]

its a societal thing

Youtube Video
108 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:37:20am

6.6 of of Honshu

109 Varek Raith  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:37:49am

re: #108 Varek Raith

6.6 off of Honshu

110 freetoken  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:42:45am

re: #109 Varek Raith

Yeah, just an hour or so after the 6.4 farther to the south.

111 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 4:01:50am

Raving freakazoid nut sandwich is blocked by firewall here.

112 RogueOne  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 4:14:38am

Morning all.

113 RogueOne  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 4:19:10am

Can I go on the record and say I’m already tired of hearing the same stupid arguments about the Libya engagement as we heard about Iraq. “If libya, why not Yemen? or Bahrain?” The suggestion, I guess, is “all or nothing!” which is silly. I’m expecting to start hearing the “chicken hawk” (a real pet peeve of mine) arguments fairly shortly.

114 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 4:20:37am

Computer mods… get a look at these cases…

[Link: www.darkroastedblend.com…]

115 RogueOne  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 4:23:31am

re: #114 Walter L. Newton

Hey walter, I turned down the denver job. The contractor I had bid the project with didn’t get it but I was lowest bidder (by a wide margin) on my portion. I bid it low just so I could write off a short vacation but I’m going to be too busy to do a job that’s not a big money maker for a contractor I don’t know.

116 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 4:25:01am

re: #115 RogueOne

Hey walter, I turned down the denver job. The contractor I had bid the project with didn’t get it but I was lowest bidder (by a wide margin) on my portion. I bid it low just so I could write off a short vacation but I’m going to be too busy to do a job that’s not a big money maker for a contractor I don’t know.

Can you farm it out to someone local, and take a little for your time?

117 RogueOne  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 4:28:18am

re: #116 Walter L. Newton

Not really. I do most of the work myself which keeps my prices low. By dumping the old corporation, downsizing, and doing the work myself I’ve been able to lower my overhead (and bid numbers) considerably. I can make a profit at a point where most would be trying to break even.

118 RogueOne  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 4:35:27am

MSNBC just said the 2nd pilot in the F15 has been picked up safely.

119 laZardo  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 5:06:47am

re: #113 RogueOne

Luap Nor was on AC360 this morning.

Yeah, that woke me up real nice.

120 NervyNews  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 5:14:25am

McGill student says “Anti-Semitism is alive and well HERE.”

121 RogueOne  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 5:26:04am

Suspect in shooting arraigned
[Link: www.projo.com…]


PROVIDENCE –– The father of a teenager murdered in a gang feud and a young man with ties to his gang are accused in Friday’s double shooting outside the Institute for the Study and Practice of Nonviolence.

seems like a lousy spot for a gang war.

122 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 5:28:54am

Good morning lizards!

123 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 5:44:07am

From the NYT this morning:

The Problem With Partners


These days we are all co-religionists in the church of multilateralism. The Iraq war reminded everybody not to embark on an international effort without a broad coalition.

Yet today, as an impeccably crafted multilateral force intervenes in Libya, certain old feelings are coming back to the surface. These feelings have been buried since the 1990s, when multilateral efforts failed in Kosovo, Rwanda and Iraq. They concern the structural weaknesses that bedevil multilateral efforts. They remind us that unilateralism may be no walk in the park, but multilateralism has its own characteristic problems, which are showing up already in Libya.

…

Read the rest.

124 garhighway  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 5:46:04am

Morning, all.

If anyone is interested in a short break from Libya and the Revelations, here is an interesting piece from the NYT discussing whether unions are appropriate at institutions of higher learning.

[Link: opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com…]

In it, two professors, one of whom had historically been opposed to faculty unions, discuss the current state of affairs.

Sample:

If academics opt for unions and “a belt-and-suspenders security,” Riley warns, we might “expect that even the laziest, most incompetent or radical professor won’t get fired.”

It is when I read a sentence like this one of Riley’s that I come to my senses and recognize what’s going on. “Lazy” and “incompetent” go together; they point to deficiencies we don’t want our teachers to display. But “radical” is a political judgment. What Riley fears is that if colleges and universities were unionized, teachers with far out, discomforting ideas couldn’t be fired. It’s hard to imagine a better argument for unions (and also for tenure). The autonomy and independence of the academy is perpetually threatened by efforts to impose an ideological test on hiring and firing decisions. The goal is always to create a faculty that has the right (pun intended) partisan hue. Riley makes no bones about it. Letting the unions get a foothold “could … make the environment more left leaning.” The message is clear: keep those unions out so that we can more easily get rid of the lefties.

125 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 5:51:53am

HBO Developing Dick Cheney Miniseries

EXCLUSIVE: HBO has optioned the book Angler: The Cheney Vice Presidency by Pulitzer-Prize winning journalist Barton Gellman for a miniseries to be executive produced by Paula Weinstein.

The mini, which will be based on the bestselling book and the FRONTLINE documentary The Dark Side, tells the story of Richard Bruce Cheney from his early days as Donald Rumsfeld’s protégé in the Nixon administration, to the nation’s youngest Chief of Staff under President Ford, to serving as Secretary of Defense under George H.W. Bush, through two controversial terms as Vice President under President George W. Bush. According to the producers, the project will center on Cheney’s “single-minded pursuit of enhanced power for the Presidency (that) was unprecedented in the nation’s history.”

I wonder if they will show him eating babies on that show.

126 garhighway  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 5:52:55am

re: #123 NJDhockeyfan

From the NYT this morning:

The Problem With Partners

Read the rest.

Brooks ducks the issue. Does he think we should have gone into Libya unilaterally? If so, he should man up and say so. Instead he ducks and feints, bobs and weaves. “This is not a defense of unilateralism…” Oh yeah? If it isn’t then what is it?

It’s tough having to fill that column twice a week. It’s tough having to say SOMETHING, even when you have nothing to say. Columns like this one are the result of such production pressures. You can almost hear him thinking “I have to write about Libya, I can’t possibly defend unilateralism, so what do I do? I know! I’ll fudge! I’ll write something that sounds critical of multilateral efforts, but I’ll maintain deniability.”

127 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 5:53:23am

re: #124 garhighway

Morning, all.

If anyone is interested in a short break from Libya and the Revelations, here is an interesting piece from the NYT discussing whether unions are appropriate at institutions of higher learning.

[Link: opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com…]

In it, two professors, one of whom had historically been opposed to faculty unions, discuss the current state of affairs.

Sample:

If academics opt for unions and “a belt-and-suspenders security,” Riley warns, we might “expect that even the laziest, most incompetent or radical professor won’t get fired.”

It is when I read a sentence like this one of Riley’s that I come to my senses and recognize what’s going on. “Lazy” and “incompetent” go together; they point to deficiencies we don’t want our teachers to display. But “radical” is a political judgment. What Riley fears is that if colleges and universities were unionized, teachers with far out, discomforting ideas couldn’t be fired. It’s hard to imagine a better argument for unions (and also for tenure). The autonomy and independence of the academy is perpetually threatened by efforts to impose an ideological test on hiring and firing decisions. The goal is always to create a faculty that has the right (pun intended) partisan hue. Riley makes no bones about it. Letting the unions get a foothold “could … make the environment more left leaning.” The message is clear: keep those unions out so that we can more easily get rid of the lefties.

Well, that’s like… stating the obvious. Of course they want to keep radical lefties out of the faculty system. What’s the problem?

128 garhighway  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 5:54:04am

re: #125 NJDhockeyfan

HBO Developing Dick Cheney Miniseries

I wonder if they will show him eating babies on that show.

I think they’d have a Standards and Practices issue with that. Unless they say he’s a vampire.

129 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 5:56:56am

re: #128 garhighway

I think they’d have a Standards and Practices issue with that. Unless they say he’s a vampire.

Well if they won’t show that at least they could at least expose the Bushitler-Cheney Hurricane Machine© in that miniseries.

130 laZardo  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 6:03:48am

re: #125 NJDhockeyfan

HBO Developing Dick Cheney Miniseries

I wonder if they will show him eating babies on that show.

Among other facts about him.

131 Achilles Tang  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 6:07:27am

Just a thought of the morning here; but has anyone noticed that the Palestinians, which were the darlings of Arab dictatorships, have not earned a meaningful mention from the streets?

132 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 6:09:16am

re: #130 laZardo

Among other facts about him.

Dick Cheney decided to create an agent of pure evil. So he ripped out one of his ribs, and for 6 days unleashed an unholy wave of rancid piss and shit on the rib. On the 7th day he rested and a great darkness rose from the great pile of piss, shit and rib. This is the story of the creation… of Karl Rove.

Ha ha ha ha!

133 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 6:14:45am

re: #131 Naso Tang

Just a thought of the morning here; but has anyone noticed that the Palestinians, which were the darlings of Arab dictatorships, have not earned a meaningful mention from the streets?

Does that leave Jimmy Carter as their only friend?

134 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 6:15:36am

…The End is Nigh ??
Wish Beck could be more specific!!
I’d like to be wearing clean Boxers!!
///
Good morning everyone!

135 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 6:18:40am

Time magazine claims to have found a reason we are at war with Libya…

Why the U.S. Went to War: Inside the White House Debate on Libya

President Barack Obama says he’s intervening to prevent atrocities in Libya. But details of behind-the-scenes debates at the White House show he’s going to war in part to rehabilitate an idea.

…The ability for the U.S. to muster international force to prevent thugs from killing innocent people is important. But the president and some of his advisers are so eager to rehabilitate the idea of preventive intervention that they’re exaggerating the violence they say they are intervening to prevent in Libya. “The effort to shoe-horn this into an imminent genocide model is strained,” says one senior administration official. That’s dangerous. Americans deserve an honest explanation when their leaders take them to war. Moreover, the rhetorical focus on the crazy things Gaddafi might do obscures the debate America should have before intervening: does the value of preventing possible war crimes against Libyans outweigh the risks to America’s national security that come with intervening?

Is Time trying to say the WH fudged the numbers so they could attack Libya?

136 garhighway  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 6:18:57am

re: #132 NJDhockeyfan

Dick Cheney decided to create an agent of pure evil. So he ripped out one of his ribs, and for 6 days unleashed an unholy wave of rancid piss and shit on the rib. On the 7th day he rested and a great darkness rose from the great pile of piss, shit and rib. This is the story of the creation… of Karl Rove.

Ha ha ha ha!

Here is the tale of Rove’s retirement…

[Link: www.theonion.com…]

WASHINGTON—Longtime political adviser and Republican strategist Karl Rove announced Aug. 13 that he would step down from his role as White House deputy chief of staff to spend more time in the shadows and devote his energy to the things he really cares about, such as creeping, slithering, and disappearing for all time into an ever-darkening realm shut off from hope and goodness.

“I’ve been away from the shadows too long, and it’s put a strain on my relationship with those black forces I hold dear,” an emotional but upbeat Rove said. “There are many personal projects I’d like to pursue all alone in an opaque void, where God Himself dares not peer, so this just seemed like the perfect opportunity to slink off into murky blackness.”

Rove, who planned to return at the stroke of midnight Aug. 31 to the mysterious underworld from which he emerged two decades ago to do the bidding of masters unknown, claimed he never felt comfortable operating within the visible light spectrum. The often-controversial figure said he was looking forward to “getting away from it all” and prowling like a wolf on the wind in that ashen realm where deeds unthinkable know no name or order.

“I am excited to give this new chapter of my life the shadowy obfuscation it deserves,” Rove said. “There are some matters that should just be kept private, far from the prying gaze of mortal eyes and wicked Sun.”

While some Washington insiders were surprised by Rove’s announcement, others close to him said they were happy he finally decided to fully enter the shroud of night.

“The one called Karl Rove hath lingered too much in daylight,” said one source on the condition of anonymity. “The one called Karl Rove feels an undeniable pull toward the sly and inky veil of twilight and longs for the warm embrace of its formless depths.”

Upon hearing of Rove’s decision to retreat into Styxian obscurity, a number of White House aides and various officials throughout the nation’s capital hurriedly gathered their personal belongings and proceeded to the nearest exit.

137 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 6:24:39am

In honor of Beck, who thinks the end is nigh:

Youtube Video
139 Achilles Tang  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 6:35:03am

re: #133 NJDhockeyfan

Does that leave Jimmy Carter as their only friend?

:=) For now perhaps, but Arabs are emotional people. They may need someone more to love, and hate, tomorrow.

140 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 6:48:29am

Official: F-15 jet crew safe and in American hands

BERLIN (AP) — A U.S. official says both the crew of an F-15 fighter jet that crashed in Libya are safe and back in American hands.

The official, speaking Tuesday on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the record, said a Marine Corps Osprey search and rescue aircraft retrieved the pilot. He says the second crew member, a weapon’s officer, was recovered by Libyan rebel forces and is now in U.S hands.

The crash occurred Monday night at 2130 GMT (5:30 p.m. EDT) after what the military says was an equipment malfunction. Its exact location was not given.

141 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 6:53:06am

Ew.

Well, this should make your day:

The typical workers’ desk — especially her phone, keyboard and mouse — has 400 times more bacteria than the average toilet seat, according to Gerba’s research. The office kitchen? It’s “like an unregulated restaurant,” says Gerba. Half of office coffee cups have fecal bacteria in them, and nearly one in five office fridges is cleaned out only once or twice per year, according to a study by the ADA and ConAgra Foods.

142 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 6:54:14am

re: #30 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That or he’s crazy enough to believe the shit he’s spewing.

Meanwhile, Alex Jones is ringing his phone every night, demanding his schtick back.

Well, as I’ve said before, my brother’s partner is a practicing psychiatrist and his opinion is that Beck is bi-polar. That’s why he disappears from view every so often. He’s either nearly catatonic at the low end or psychotic at the other.

I think this time around his handlers have missed the signs. Glenn’s well into the manic stage.

143 laZardo  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 6:54:59am

re: #141 reine.de.tout

That’s almost as much bacteria as your local ATM. :D

144 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 6:55:27am

re: #141 reine.de.tout

Ew.

Well, this should make your day:

The typical workers’ desk — especially her phone, keyboard and mouse — has 400 times more bacteria than the average toilet seat, according to Gerba’s research. The office kitchen? It’s “like an unregulated restaurant,” says Gerba. Half of office coffee cups have fecal bacteria in them, and nearly one in five office fridges is cleaned out only once or twice per year, according to a study by the ADA and ConAgra Foods.

I mean, forget nuclear fallout. This is much more likely to get to you …

In our office, we had a rotating schedule - the fridge was cleaned at the end of every month.

145 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 6:55:59am

re: #143 laZardo

That’s almost as much bacteria as your local ATM. :D

Or, a toddler’s hands.
LOL.

146 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 6:59:12am

re: #141 reine.de.tout

That mirrors a similar study done during a Mythbusters episode that found one of the cleanest spots in an office (theirs) to be the toilet seat. Improved hygiene (such as better cleaning of kitchen surfaces, food cross-contamination, etc.) can reduce illness - and associated health costs.

147 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 6:59:38am

re: #57 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Bah, that’s what I’ve got this for:

Image: necronomicon-evildead2.jpg

Which brings us to the musical.

Youtube Video
148 Interesting Times  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 7:00:46am

re: #144 reine.de.tout

In our office, we had a rotating schedule - the fridge was cleaned at the end of every month.

[Link: articles.cnn.com…]

The refrigerator had been unplugged for some time and moved into a conference room for cleaning. When the woman tried to scrub down the mess, the stench from the cleaning chemicals combined with the rotting food.
…
Another office worker tried to cover up the odor — and made matters worse.

“Someone also took some spray and tried to deodorize the air,” Stallard said. “And it turned out that was spot cleaner, not a deodorant. So it made people very sick.”

Firefighters set up a triage area in the building’s parking lot. In all, 28 workers reported feeling sick. Seven were taken to hospitals for evaluation.

Not among them: the woman who volunteered to clean the fridge.

She suffers from allergies, firefighters said, and had had nasal surgery.

She didn’t smell a thing.

149 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 7:04:02am

re: #58 Virginia Plain

Just finished watching the first episode of Firefly. I don’t know, but to me it’s just too similar to Cowboy Bebop, with more people, and it’s not animated.

Like Babylon 5, it got better.

My problem with it is that the Captain has been adopted by some ‘libertarians’ I know as the symbol of true freedom. Meaning they think Captain Mal kills every one who pisses him off and they wish they could too.

150 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 7:10:23am

re: #78 dragonfire1981

The book of Revelation is one of the most discussed and controversial in the entire Bible. Some believe it describes events which have already occurred others think it discusses events that haven’t happened yet. It has never been fully and conclusively interpreted but it uses a lot of symbolism and supernatural imagery.

I am not sure anyone has mentioned it at LGF yet but there was a big uproar from the right when an MSNBC commentator called Revelation a work of fiction.

As I said earlier a lot of descriptions of the end times, including in the bible itself are somewhat vague and general and could apply to potentially any time period in history. There will always be natural disasters, there will always be countries at war and there will always people suffering.

My take on it is that Revelation is a work of propaganda. It demonized all the other religions extant at the time in order to ‘prove’ Christianity was the one true religion. I understand that the earliest Revelation found is from the second Century AD and written in Greek, whereas the other Gospels were from early to mid first century and in Hebrew.

I’m no theologian though.

Anyway I’m an agnostic, and if there is a God (Allah to Zeus, take your pick) He or She only cares how you act, not what you believe.

151 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 7:12:36am

The UNHRC: Hard at work condemning Israel

The Council is poised to adopt six resolutions this week condemning just Israel – the highest number of resolutions dedicated to bashing the Jewish state at a single session.

The meeting on Monday at the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva helps explain how it is possible for the horrifying murder of the Fogel family by Palestinian terrorists on March 11 to have been so easily minimized by the “civilized” world. Slashing the throat of a three-month old baby and stabbing a three-year old twice in the heart has sickened and anguished Jews everywhere, but the steady pounding of anti-Semitism at the United Nations has not skipped a beat.

At this session of the Human Rights Council a UN-accredited NGO distributed a publication containing the following picture:

…

The demonic Jew, with the swastika substituted for the star of David on the Israeli flag, is depicted as an octopus strangling freedom-loving innocents.

The Jews as a vile life-threatening octopus was also a feature of Nazi propaganda. Today, it is how the Turkish NGO, the International Humanitarian Relief Foundation (IHH), is permitted to portray its attempt last May to defy a legal Israeli naval blockade.

An appeal made to the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Navi Pillay, to take action against the IHH and to object to the distribution of this material on the UN “designated NGO tables outside the plenary room” was ignored.

The UN-accredited IHH “humanitarians” also delivered a statement at this Council’s session in which they said: “we consider the unlawful activities of Israel to be the most serious threat, one that is even more dangerous than that of a nuclear attack.”

Being fanatical hatemongers is evidently no barrier to being UN-accredited.

Color me shocked!
//

152 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 7:18:48am

re: #150 Romantic Heretic

My take on it is that Revelation is a work of propaganda. It demonized all the other religions extant at the time in order to ‘prove’ Christianity was the one true religion. I understand that the earliest Revelation found is from the second Century AD and written in Greek, whereas the other Gospels were from early to mid first century and in Hebrew.

I’m no theologian though.

Anyway I’m an agnostic, and if there is a God (Allah to Zeus, take your pick) He or She only cares how you act, not what you believe.

No. Earliest extend copies and fragments of Matthew and Mark were written in Greek, and probably originally written in Aramaic. John was written in Greek, although Revelations, also accredited to John, has enough variances of the Greek usage to indicate that Revelation was not written by the same “John as the Gospel.” Most of the later books were written in Greek.

Where did you get your info about the early gospels being written in Hebrew?

153 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 7:19:15am

re: #152 Walter L. Newton

extend = extent

154 reine.de.tout  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 7:22:29am

re: #148 publicityStunted

[Link: articles.cnn.com…]

wow.
What did I tell you?
28 sickened, 7 to the hospital for evaluation - all from the OFFICE FRIDGE, not nuclear fallout.

I’m a bit amazed, really, but some of the stuff people will put up with and never give a 2nd thought to (like that situation); but who will blow a gasket over something that has almost ZERO chance of ever affecting them or anyone they know.

155 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 7:22:48am

Later lizards, time for work.

156 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 7:23:22am

re: #150 Romantic Heretic

My take on it is that Revelation is a work of propaganda. It demonized all the other religions extant at the time in order to ‘prove’ Christianity was the one true religion. I understand that the earliest Revelation found is from the second Century AD and written in Greek, whereas the other Gospels were from early to mid first century and in Hebrew.

I’m no theologian though.

Anyway I’m an agnostic, and if there is a God (Allah to Zeus, take your pick) He or She only cares how you act, not what you believe.

Almost all theologians place the written date of Revelations as around 95 AD. A few will date it around 68 or 69. Where did you get the date as second century?

157 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 7:34:13am

Major news from Japan; they’ve finally run power to the six plants at Fukushima, which is the first step in restoring the coolant backup systems. TEPCO continues pumping sea water into one of the spent fuel pools, but it will several days, if not weeks, as backup systems are tested and fixed.

158 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 7:35:06am

re: #152 Walter L. Newton

No. Earliest extend copies and fragments of Matthew and Mark were written in Greek, and probably originally written in Aramaic. John was written in Greek, although Revelations, also accredited to John, has enough variances of the Greek usage to indicate that Revelation was not written by the same “John as the Gospel.” Most of the later books were written in Greek.

Where did you get your info about the early gospels being written in Hebrew?

From my memory. Which was wrong. Thanks for the correction. :)

159 Kronocide  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 7:38:13am

re: #154 reine.de.tout

wow.
What did I tell you?
28 sickened, 7 to the hospital for evaluation - all from the OFFICE FRIDGE, not nuclear fallout.

I’m a bit amazed, really, but some of the stuff people will put up with and never give a 2nd thought to (like that situation); but who will blow a gasket over something that has almost ZERO chance of ever affecting them or anyone they know.

In my short stint as an HVAC worker, I heard a real verified story. My foreman was on a project where they were working in an attic space finishing up an office remodel. He farted into a cold air return since was in a confined space and didn’t want to blow out his buddy. 15 minutes later their radio keyed up: the contractor was closing the jobsite and removed all the office personnel (

160 kirkspencer  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 7:43:50am

re: #152 Walter L. Newton

No. Earliest extend copies and fragments of Matthew and Mark were written in Greek, and probably originally written in Aramaic. John was written in Greek, although Revelations, also accredited to John, has enough variances of the Greek usage to indicate that Revelation was not written by the same “John as the Gospel.” Most of the later books were written in Greek.

Where did you get your info about the early gospels being written in Hebrew?

It’s worth recalling history (very simplistically). The common language of the western world at the time was the language of the conquerors: Greek. Judea, to be a client nation instead of nobleman’s province, had to translate its laws into Greek and had to make all official actions, written and spoken, in Greek as well. (Yeah, that bit about the Roman Soldier correcting Brian’s latin? Wrong language, funny as it is.)

If writing just for Judean Jews, it could be in Hebrew (well, of the time). If it was for just Jews, even the exiles, it might be in Hebrew. If it was being written for a group that had decided to include gentiles, it was going to be in Greek unless the writer was unable to speak and write Greek — unlikely in a literate man.

161 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 7:47:36am

I feel sorry for the dumb sobs who buy this crap. Glenn Beck’s intellectual forefathers said this in the past and now he’s echoing the same crap for a new generation to buy and worry. I don’t know who I find more pathetic, Beck or the idiots who believe him and his bullshit.

162 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 7:54:22am

He propagates an American tradition: the first wave of settlers was made up of the religious fanatics whose views were to reactionary and intolerant for XVIIth and XIX century Europe.

They were leavened with the prisoners and bonded serfs: the scum of society that Europe wanted to be rid of.

Their heritage still shapes American politics and society.

163 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 7:55:50am

re: #160 kirkspencer

It’s worth recalling history (very simplistically). The common language of the western world at the time was the language of the conquerors: Greek. Judea, to be a client nation instead of nobleman’s province, had to translate its laws into Greek and had to make all official actions, written and spoken, in Greek as well. (Yeah, that bit about the Roman Soldier correcting Brian’s latin? Wrong language, funny as it is.)

If writing just for Judean Jews, it could be in Hebrew (well, of the time). If it was for just Jews, even the exiles, it might be in Hebrew. If it was being written for a group that had decided to include gentiles, it was going to be in Greek unless the writer was unable to speak and write Greek — unlikely in a literate man.

The common language for Judean Jews at that time was Aramaic, not Hebrew. Greek was for the non-Jews.

164 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 7:55:50am

re: #160 kirkspencer

It’s worth recalling history (very simplistically). The common language of the western world at the time was the language of the conquerors: Greek. Judea, to be a client nation instead of nobleman’s province, had to translate its laws into Greek and had to make all official actions, written and spoken, in Greek as well. (Yeah, that bit about the Roman Soldier correcting Brian’s latin? Wrong language, funny as it is.)

If writing just for Judean Jews, it could be in Hebrew (well, of the time). If it was for just Jews, even the exiles, it might be in Hebrew. If it was being written for a group that had decided to include gentiles, it was going to be in Greek unless the writer was unable to speak and write Greek — unlikely in a literate man.

It is evident by the structure and usage of phrases, words and terms used in the early new testament scriptures that the original languages which were used were Aramaic and Greek. There are occasionally Hebrew idioms with in the Greek, but there is no extent gospels written in Hebrew.

Some early church fathers and historians (4 or 5 if I remember) make mention that Matthew was originally written in Greek. But they also mention that Matthew was the first of the gospels, yet almost all modern research and textual criticism considers Mark as the source material for Matthew and Luke, so, these references to a Hebrew Matthew is not supported by any of the extent material or research.

165 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:00:25am

re: #163 Alouette

The common language for Judean Jews at that time was Aramaic, not Hebrew. Greek was for the non-Jews.

Correct. There is a lonely handful of scholars who think that if there was any native tongue used to write any of the gospels, it would have been Aramaic.

See… the Peshitta.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

166 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:01:18am

re: #164 Walter L. Newton

correction… “originally written in HEBREW” (shit, I have to proof my comments)

167 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:07:52am

Ok… Hmmmmm… killed this thread… let’s get some Palin or Gellar stuff up maybe? Did everyone leave the room when my back was turned? Ok… I get it… funny joke… there’s a new thread and I can’t see it? No… fine… I’ll hang around until something happens.

168 leftynyc  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:08:48am

re: #31 reine.de.tout

And hell’s bells!
The worst of it … she just very well might be correct!

I have found through my own experience and watching - when the kids turn 30ish is when they longer think their parents are the stupidiest people on the plant.

169 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:09:41am

re: #167 Walter L. Newton

The Rapture has taken place and only a handful of us are left…

170 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:11:02am

re: #169 ralphieboy

The Rapture has taken place and only a handful of us are left…

Good riddance to them… now they are his problem.

171 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:12:40am

Ok… I’m going to go dust and rearrange the shelf unit with my meteorites… that’s part of my cleaning chores for upcoming Passover. Oh… I also have to vacuum up the shit in Maisey’s bird cage.

172 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:30:01am

re: #170 Walter L. Newton

Good riddance to them… now they are his problem.

News from on high.

The Egyptians were right. Cats are gods.

And the Rapture is just a method to resupply Heaven with more servants and cat toys…

;)

173 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:30:35am

re: #167 Walter L. Newton

Well, there are ongoing lawsuits to overturn the decision by the LPC to allow the Cordoba House developers to raze the building near Ground Zero. The suit wants to get a redetermination that would landmark the building to prevent a redesign. Geller is against the building of the mosque, and Pat Robertson’s group is backing the lawsuit by a FDNY firefighter who is the named plaintiff in the suit.

Mind you that the LPC originally reviewed a landmark application in 1989 and refused landmarking at that time. After the 9/11 attacks, there was no action to landmark the building, which was hit by debris from one of the planes that struck the towers. It was only after Cordoba House moved to turn it in to a community center and mosque that opposition to the plan and a call for landmarking was made - and it was already being used as a prayer center for Muslims after Cordoba House bought the building from Burlington Coat Factory, which had operated out of the building before the attacks.

After his court hearing last week, Mr. Brown called the Islamic plans for Park Place “un-American.” He is represented in this matter by the American Center for Law and Justice, which was founded in 1990 by Pat Robertson.

While we’re talking history, some may recall that right after 9/11, Mr. Robertson had a television appearance with the Rev. Jerry Falwell. Mr. Falwell said that God had lifted his “curtain” of protection from this country. Even worse acts of terror may follow, he warned, “if in fact God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.”

Mr. Robertson agreed. “Well, Jerry,” he said, “that’s my feeling.”

Mr. Falwell then denounced, among others, “the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians,” who he said bore some responsibility for the attack. “I point the finger in their face and say, ‘You helped this happen,’ ” he said.

Mr. Robertson responded, “I totally concur.”

In the political storm that followed, both men beat a retreat. All the same, if Americanism is an issue, Mr. Robertson’s instinctive reaction was to agree that America had it coming.

174 Kronocide  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:31:19am

How the Fukushima disaster taught me to stop worrying and embrace nuclear power.

By George Monbiot, published in the Guardian 22nd March 2011

Interesting take. Fukushimi caused me to rethink my opinion of nuclear but he makes a compelling case to keep forging ahead.

175 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:31:21am

re: #172 oaktree

So, that’s why it’s a dog eat dog world…. /

176 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:34:46am

re: #175 lawhawk

So, that’s why it’s a dog eat dog world… /

Yep. And the mice are still collecting data.

177 Charleston Chew  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:39:19am

I predict that 2000 years from now religious nutjobs will be making crazed rantings based on the holy prophesies of the Book Of J.R.R. Tolkien, and theologians will have scholarly debates about the exact location of Caradhras and exactly which of the Ages of Arda they are currently in.

178 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:41:37am

re: #177 Charleston Chew

I predict that 2000 years from now religious nutjobs will be making crazed rantings based on the holy prophesies of the Book Of J.R.R. Tolkien, and theologians will have scholarly debates about the exact location of Caradhras and exactly which of the Ages of Arda they are currently in.

Including the hobbit holiday where everyone wore green and drank excessively?

179 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:41:49am

re: #177 Charleston Chew

I predict that 2000 years from now religious nutjobs will be making crazed rantings based on the holy prophesies of the Book Of J.R.R. Tolkien, and theologians will have scholarly debates about the exact location of Caradhras and exactly which of the Ages of Arda they are currently in.

They’ll be scouring northern Britain for the ancient settlement of Winterfell…

180 darthstar  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:42:40am

re: #178 oaktree

Including the hobbit holiday where everyone wore green and drank excessively?

That’s been done.

181 Charleston Chew  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:43:35am

re: #174 BigPapa

How the Fukushima disaster taught me to stop worrying and embrace nuclear power.

By George Monbiot, published in the Guardian 22nd March 2011

Interesting take. Fukushimi caused me to rethink my opinion of nuclear but he makes a compelling case to keep forging ahead.

While it’s not irrational to worry about the dangers of nuclear energy, I think that if a coal plant release its entire lifetime’s worth of pollution in 1 week, people would insist we ban coal power because it’s too dangerous. Coal’s invisible destruction of our world over time gives it a psychological advantage, similar to how people are more afraid of air travel than car travel even though it’s safer.

182 kirkspencer  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:45:11am

re: #163 Alouette

The common language for Judean Jews at that time was Aramaic, not Hebrew. Greek was for the non-Jews.

Yes, but the key word in my post is “simplistically”. For examples, Greek not Koine, and skipping the bits about the Seleucids and such. Thus “Hebrew” not “Aramaic”.

183 Charleston Chew  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:45:34am

re: #179 JasonA

They’ll be scouring northern Britain for the ancient settlement of Winterfell…

And probably just to somehow prove that their particular religious faction is the one true way.

184 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:46:07am

I reserve a special kind of disgust for people like John Bolton, who will jettison any semblance of consistency, morality, or logic when exploiting geopolitical events for the purpose of political expediency.

That this man was given a position of responsibility within U.S. foreign policy development is argument in and of itself for the incompetence of the Bush administration.

Here’s an article from Fox, where Bolton uses the ruse of a thesis, “Mistakes we cannot make again,” as a transparent cover for attacking Obama.

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

185 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:50:04am

re: #182 kirkspencer

Yes, but the key word in my post is “simplistically”. For examples, Greek not Koine, and skipping the bits about the Seleucids and such. Thus “Hebrew” not “Aramaic”.

Hebrew and Aramaic are different languages. Similar, the same way that Hebrew and Arabic, or French and Spanish are similar, but Aramaic is not a subset of Hebrew.

186 Charleston Chew  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:50:46am

re: #184 Talking Point Detective

I reserve a special kind of disgust for people like John Bolton, who will jettison any semblance of consistency, morality, or logic when exploiting geopolitical events for the purpose of political expediency.

That this man was given a position of responsibility within U.S. foreign policy development is argument in and of itself for the incompetence of the Bush administration.

Here’s an article from Fox, where Bolton uses the ruse of a thesis, “Mistakes we cannot make again,” as a transparent cover for attacking Obama.

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

There’s something basically wrong about making an ambassador of a man who’s entire diplomatic approach starts with “Fuck” and ends with “you” and contains nothing else.

187 Nevertires  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:52:18am

re: #174 BigPapa

I was reading “What the Dog Saw” by Malcom Gladwell when the nuclear situation was unfolding in Japan. The chapter/story that I was reading at the time directly paralleled this and gave an interesting perspective to the events.

I think that the story was entitled “Blowup” (about Three Mile Island and the Challenger disaster) and was talking about disasters in a technologically sophisticated time.

Was extremely interesting given the Japanese nuclear situation which was unfolding as I read this chapter/story.

Link: [Link: www.gladwell.com…]

188 Charleston Chew  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:52:32am

re: #178 oaktree

Including the hobbit holiday where everyone wore green and drank excessively?

I don’t think such a preposterous holiday could ever really exist amongst reasonable people.

189 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:55:17am

Sarkozy helped swing the US and UN into acting against Libya - and President Obama was happy to let Sarkozy lead the way, but that doesn’t mean that French interests are the same as US interests - and some of it has to do with geography, with electoral politics and trying to recapture French glory.

But while Sarkozy’s zeal may have been helpful in rousing an international coalition to intervene, that same passion could cause headaches in Washington. The American efforts to limit and clearly define the effort to stop Qadhafi in his tracks and — leaders hope — end his rule may well depend on the decisions of the impulsive Sarkozy, for whom Libya is both a crisis in his backyard and, analysts say, a political opportunity.

One central difference between Paris and Washington is the issue of geography. Libya may be a strategic interest for the United States, but a crisis there presents a more immediate challenge for France and other European countries, which buy Libyan oil and gas and fear yet another wave of North African refugees.

“What Sarkozy saw was that Qadhafi has leverage that could make him horribly troublesome for everyone — energy, inmmigration, terrorism,” Vaise said. “And these would be directed at the Europeans, not the Americans.”

But Sarkozy also has an opportunity to recapture some of the international glory that has marked the high points of his presidency, and restored France’s sense of its own ability to punch above its diplomatic weight, as when he negotiated a 2008 ceasefire between Russia and Georgia. That image of international command, central to the narrative of his rise to power, had suffered badly this year when he was forced to fire his foreign minister for her close ties to a Tunisian dictator whose fall Sarkozy’s government largely overlooked.

190 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:55:29am

re: #188 Charleston Chew

I don’t think such a preposterous holiday could ever really exist amongst reasonable people.

Heh. On the contrary I would expect most civilizations to have a couple of holidays designed to allow people to vent off steam and act silly. A sort of societal safety valve.

191 BishopX  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:55:43am

re: #181 Charleston Chew

The thing is, with coal you know what you’re getting. The stuff coming out of the smokestack is pretty much the end of the process. For all it’s toxicity if you turn off the power plant coal ceases to be an issue. The same can’t be said of nuclear energy. Neither the US or Japan has any ability to deal with the long term storage of spent nuclear fuel. Virtually all of it is still stored on site, mostly in wet storage, the so called spent-fuel pools. This fuel is still dangerous, and will remain dangerous for hundreds of years. Nuclear only appears attractive because people discount the future costs of nuclear energy.

192 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:56:24am

re: #174 BigPapa

How the Fukushima disaster taught me to stop worrying and embrace nuclear power.

By George Monbiot, published in the Guardian 22nd March 2011

Interesting take. Fukushimi caused me to rethink my opinion of nuclear but he makes a compelling case to keep forging ahead.

I’m not unsympathetic to Monbiot’s take - but the reality of nuclear energy is blocked by the massive public sector investment that would be required to make nuclear a major source for energy in the U.S. I would love to see that investment go into renewable technology development instead, as the one definitively unavoidable problem with nuclear is that the more nuclear power we generate, the more nuclear waste we will have on our hands. The more nuclear waste, the more nuclear waste is a problem.

I posted this before, but I think it’s a good start for looking at the financial component:

[Link: www.dailykos.com…]

194 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:59:00am

re: #186 Charleston Chew

There’s something basically wrong about making an ambassador of a man who’s entire diplomatic approach starts with “Fuck” and ends with “you” and contains nothing else.

Zen diplomat. The art of diplomacy without be diplomatic…

/

195 Charleston Chew  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:59:04am

re: #187 Nevertires

I was reading “What the Dog Saw” by Malcom Gladwell when the nuclear situation was unfolding in Japan. The chapter/story that I was reading at the time directly paralleled this and gave an interesting perspective to the events.

I think that the story was entitled “Blowup” (about Three Mile Island and the Challenger disaster) and was talking about disasters in a technologically sophisticated time.

Was extremely interesting given the Japanese nuclear situation which was unfolding as I read this chapter/story.

Link: [Link: www.gladwell.com…]

Thanks for the link. Good read.

It could also be called “The Irwin Allen Theory”.

Youtube Video
196 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 8:59:10am

re: #189 lawhawk

Sarkozy helped swing the US and UN into acting against Libya - and President Obama was happy to let Sarkozy lead the way, but that doesn’t mean that French interests are the same as US interests - and some of it has to do with geography, with electoral politics and trying to recapture French glory.

I posted about this the other day… here are some other reason Sarkozy needs some political plus points right now…

France’s far right National Front (FN) continued to steal headlines after Sunday’s local elections, in which half of France’s 2,023 cantons, the country’s smallest territorial units, were up for grabs.

[Link: www.france24.com…]

France has long prided itself in mastering the art of diplomacy better than anyone else. But that assumption has been rattled by a series of blunders on the international stage.

[Link: www.france24.com…]

197 Charleston Chew  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:02:39am

re: #191 BishopX

The thing is, with coal you know what you’re getting. The stuff coming out of the smokestack is pretty much the end of the process. For all it’s toxicity if you turn off the power plant coal ceases to be an issue.

The paradox being that the perceived danger of nuclear means we won’t actually ever turn off said coal plant, making it’s danger equally long term but instead of potentially threatening, it’s actively making our world more dangerous every day.

198 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:03:13am

re: #186 Charleston Chew

There’s something basically wrong about making an ambassador of a man who’s entire diplomatic approach starts with “Fuck” and ends with “you” and contains nothing else.

I’d say that there is something else - blatant partisanship. I mean seriously, look at this logic:

After all, the 2003 overthrow and subsequent capture of Iraq’s Saddam Hussein was enough to convince Qaddafi to renounce his nuclear weapons program, and similar shock and awe could work again.

According to this logic, Qaddafi gave up his nuclear weapons program because he was scared by the invasion of Iraq (unlike Iran or North Korea), but he wouldn’t stop slaughtering civilians at the risk of military action against him?

No one could be that stupid. He simply doesn’t care about logic.

199 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:06:59am

re: #198 Talking Point Detective

I’d say that there is something else - blatant partisanship. I mean seriously, look at this logic:


According to this logic, Qaddafi gave up his nuclear weapons program because he was scared by the invasion of Iraq (unlike Iran or North Korea), but he wouldn’t stop slaughtering civilians at the risk of military action against him?

No one could be that stupid. He simply doesn’t care about logic.

A man who has been a tyrant for that long has a problem: He has a huge number of people whose relatives he slaughtered and who he has oppressed, and many of these people would happily strangle him with their bare hands. Even if it meant they died afterwards.

In order to remain alive, a man like Qadaffi, (or Kim Il Jong, or the African dudes, etc.) has to maintain a contant vigil against plots against him.

In his case, he’s not paranoid.

200 laZardo  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:08:41am

re: #199 EmmmieG

It works when most of the opposition is either disorganized or dead after so long, as well.

201 shutdown  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:09:42am
Glenn Beck: The End is Nigh!

or: “my scary end of days scenario is scarier than your scary end of days scenario”

202 Nevertires  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:16:57am

re: #197 Charleston Chew

About a year ago I was driving and listening to the radio and they had a long interview with a man named David Sanborn Scott. He has written a book called “Smelling Land” about hydrogen and its potential role in averting climate change disaster.

Admittedly I am a non-scientist and cannot comment on the feasibility and/or argument for hydrogen, but it was fascinating. On a gut-check, intuitive level he was making all kind of sense. Plus, any book that opens with a good historical allegory (in this case explaining the title) hooks me in.

I haven’t read the book yet, but the interview was almost two hours long.

I remember him saying that we need to figure out how we can get hydrogen to “push the plane”.

[Link: www.smellingland.com…]

203 BishopX  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:19:30am

re: #197 Charleston Chew

No.

The danger from the operation of a coal plant is constant with respect to the amount of fuel burned. Burning 100 tons of coal in one year is 10 times worse than burning 10 tons in one year, but about the same as burning 10 tons per year for ten years. To figure out the total damage a coal plant has done you can simply multiply the fuel burned by some constant (depending on the breadth of your model there may be some damping factors involved, like forests).

In contrast the current danger from any nuclear reactor is a function of the amount of fuel used in the past, the time since the fuel was taken out of the reactor plus the amount of current fuel being used. A nuclear reactor that uses 10 tons of fuel per year for 10 years is more dangerous in year 10 than in year 1.

The crucial fact that you don’t seem to be getting is that there is no long term way to assure the safety of nuclear fuel. For the time scales being discussed for nuclear fuel (100+ years of high danger followed by 1000+ years of low danger), any catastrophe with a chance greater than 1% per year can be assumed to threaten the nuclear fuel. The cannot be said of coal.

204 garhighway  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:19:30am

There’s a story title on Politco today entitled “Did Obama lose Congress on Libya?”

Underneath that is a photo of Obama, bracketed by photos of Kucinich and Ron Paul. I thought that was pretty funny: if losing those two is “losing Congress”, then I am all for it.

[Link: www.politico.com…]

205 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:22:12am

The UN are real assholes when it comes to Israel, aren’t they?

U.N.’s Falk says Israel is committing ‘ethnic cleansing’

Richard Falk, the special rapporteur of the United Nations on the Palestinians, told the U.N. Human Rights Council that Israel is committing ethnic cleansing in eastern Jerusalem.

Falk’s statements Monday to the Human Rights Council came as the council prepared a resolution condemning settlement building in the West Bank and eastern Jerusalem.

Falk called the council’s attention to what he said was the intensifying deterioration of human rights in eastern Jerusalem, pointing to the increasing number of Jews moving into homes in the area and Palestinians being expelled from their homes by courts after challenges to their property ownership.

This situation “can only be described in its cumulative impact as a form of ethnic cleansing,” Falk said, according to Reuters.

Israel does not allow Falk to enter the country and does not deal with him in any way because of what it considers to be his biased mandate.

206 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:24:21am

re: #202 Nevertires

About a year ago I was driving and listening to the radio and they had a long interview with a man named David Sanborn Scott. He has written a book called “Smelling Land” about hydrogen and its potential role in averting climate change disaster.

Admittedly I am a non-scientist and cannot comment on the feasibility and/or argument for hydrogen, but it was fascinating. On a gut-check, intuitive level he was making all kind of sense. Plus, any book that opens with a good historical allegory (in this case explaining the title) hooks me in.

I haven’t read the book yet, but the interview was almost two hours long.

I remember him saying that we need to figure out how we can get hydrogen to “push the plane”.

[Link: www.smellingland.com…]

Well, that’s another issue. Hydrogen is simply an alternate method for transferring the energy. (Compared to something like gasoline.)

The main question is how are you generating the energy in the first place, and how is the waste from that system handled. You have to manufacture the hydrogen somehow, and that leads back to how you’re powering that process. Same essentially applies to electric cars and batteries. The battery is a power transfer mechanism, what’s the underlying power generation source?

Noted that for electric cars and such you’re gaining some efficiency through central generation since the pollution control is centralized. Offset a bit by transmission losses.

207 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:24:44am

re: #205 NJDhockeyfan

The UN are real assholes when it comes to Israel, aren’t they?

U.N.’s Falk says Israel is committing ‘ethnic cleansing’

“Ethnic cleansing” = denying Palestinians their basic human right to live in a Jew-free environment.

208 garhighway  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:26:02am

re: #203 BishopX

No.

The danger from the operation of a coal plant is constant with respect to the amount of fuel burned. Burning 100 tons of coal in one year is 10 times worse than burning 10 tons in one year, but about the same as burning 10 tons per year for ten years. To figure out the total damage a coal plant has done you can simply multiply the fuel burned by some constant (depending on the breadth of your model there may be some damping factors involved, like forests).

In contrast the current danger from any nuclear reactor is a function of the amount of fuel used in the past, the time since the fuel was taken out of the reactor plus the amount of current fuel being used. A nuclear reactor that uses 10 tons of fuel per year for 10 years is more dangerous in year 10 than in year 1.

The crucial fact that you don’t seem to be getting is that there is no long term way to assure the safety of nuclear fuel. For the time scales being discussed for nuclear fuel (100+ years of high danger followed by 1000+ years of low danger), any catastrophe with a chance greater than 1% per year can be assumed to threaten the nuclear fuel. The cannot be said of coal.

But the harm from coal plants isn’t local: it’s planetary. The harm from a nuke (assuming there is a problem managing waste) is still, at the end of the day, local. It would suck to be within the damage zone, but it would be a zone you could leave. If we fuck up the planet with CO2, there’s nowhere to go.

209 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:26:21am

“Justice for Janitors” plots to destroy the country….

Beck Uncovers Video of Leftists Planning EconomicTerrorism

Beck said on the radio this morning that they are delivering a copy of this tape to both the Justice Department and JP Morgan Chase.

210 Nevertires  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:26:47am

re: #206 oaktree

Thanks.

I do recall that one of the power sources he advocated was nuclear.

211 efuseakay  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:27:15am

OT, but LOL @ Fox for calling reporters in Tripoli human shields… especially when one of their own was there too.

[Link: www.cnn.com…]

212 BishopX  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:36:54am

re: #208 garhighway

For a given definition of local, yes. Any significant fire at a nuclear fuel storage facility has the potential to spread C137 thousands of miles. The fukishima accident, which so far has seen relatively minor radiation releases, has had an effect as far east as the west coast of the US, about than 5,000 miles away. If a similar incident were to occur in California, most of the continental USA would be effected. So for a given definition of local, nuclear is only a local threat. I just don’t think we really have enough room left to run away.

213 Charleston Chew  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:41:50am

re: #203 BishopX

I totally agree about the danger of nuclear power and waste. I guess where I differ is that in my mind is that nuclear power is all about the danger of something really bad happening, but with coal the really bad thing is already happening right now and continues to everyday.

If someone asked me if I wanted to stand next to a powerful bomb that could go off at any moment without warning, I’d say, “No way!”

But if I were given a choice between standing next to a bomb that could go off and standing next to a bomb that’s going off right now, I’ll pick the could-go-off bomb every time.

Maybe it’s just my shortcoming for thinking that my only two options are being killed by my energy supply now or later. Maybe I should be more optimistic but that’s how I see it right now.

214 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:45:04am

HuffPo:


Building New Palestine With the Arc

…Every Palestinian yearns for freedom. Every Palestinian, regardless of the posturing and rhetoric, dreams of a unified Palestinian nation. And, every Palestinian seeks to have their hard work rewarded with prosperity.

But freedom, unity and prosperity cannot be attained until a plan is adopted that will enable territorial integrity that allows for the freedom of movement, freedom of association, and the commercial freedoms required for a successful Palestinian state based on the principles of democratic capitalism. This is why a New Palestine requires the implementation of the Palestinian Arc, a national infrastructure corridor that ties the West Bank and Gaza together into a single social, economic, and political space.

The Arc provides for a Palestinian national transportation and infrastructure corridor, along with key links between hub stations and the historic centers of the principal cities of Palestine.

Sounds nice but what is the main problem they have? Let see the first comment…

Peaceful Life 2 hours ago (10:26 AM)

The truth is that the Zionist regime will not accept any democratic process even if the manipulate­d Jewish population is included because it cannot exist as a democratic country as Zionists will be outvoted by all others who live there (Zionists were in an infinite minority before the occupation­). The Zionist regime can only temporaril­y exist through the force of its arms as a one people country where only select ones can vote and where different laws apply to different people.

The world must stand up against the Zionist regime by cutting all diplomatic and economic relations with it. Many countries have already stopped all relations with the Zionist regime and others are in the process of doing the same. We Americans need to completely distance ourselves from this oppressive regime through urging our state representa­tives and senators to do what the rest of the world is doing.

Yes HuffPo readers, it’s always the Jews who are the problem, isn’t it?

215 Charleston Chew  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:51:18am

re: #212 BishopX

For a given definition of local, yes. Any significant fire at a nuclear fuel storage facility has the potential to spread C137 thousands of miles. The fukishima accident, which so far has seen relatively minor radiation releases, has had an effect as far east as the west coast of the US, about than 5,000 miles away. If a similar incident were to occur in California, most of the continental USA would be effected. So for a given definition of local, nuclear is only a local threat. I just don’t think we really have enough room left to run away.

Thousands of miles is still not global. I live in New England so I don’t really have to worry about nuclear pollution from Japan. (And I’m not saying that out of a lack of sympathy for those who live closer — there’s plenty of nuclear plants around here that could fry my bacon any day now.)

And I don’t think anyone on the West Coast of the US needs to worry either. The amount of radiation detected is not dangerous.

216 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:54:55am

re: #113 RogueOne

Can I go on the record and say I’m already tired of hearing the same stupid arguments about the Libya engagement as we heard about Iraq. “If libya, why not Yemen? or Bahrain?” The suggestion, I guess, is “all or nothing!” which is silly. I’m expecting to start hearing the “chicken hawk” (a real pet peeve of mine) arguments fairly shortly.

I’m not arguing against Libya. But I do keep a somewhat cynical point of view about who we, and the world, will rush to help out in their quest for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

217 BishopX  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:58:40am

re: #215 Charleston Chew

No, the radiation detected on the west coast isn’t dangerous. The spent fuel rods are also not on fire. Losing millions of square miles of land for 30 years (what a major accident on the west coast would do), would have major, global impacts.

218 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:59:08am

re: #125 NJDhockeyfan

HBO Developing Dick Cheney Miniseries

I wonder if they will show him eating babies on that show.

Don’t be silly. Darth Cheney doesn’t eat babies. They made him give that up during the campaign, because it upset the pro-life voters.

Instead, he now eats welfare moms and illegal immigrants, whole, dislocating his jaws like a boa constrictor to swallow them. His staff in DC was always complaining that he’d go under the desk and start coughing up bones at briefings.

219 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:00:49am

re: #135 NJDhockeyfan

Time magazine claims to have found a reason we are at war with Libya…

Why the U.S. Went to War: Inside the White House Debate on Libya

Is Time trying to say the WH fudged the numbers so they could attack Libya?

I think that’s what Time is trying to say.

220 Nevertires  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:01:50am

re: #216 SanFranciscoZionist

I share some of the same cynicism. In my case I read quite a bit about Rwanda and that deeply coloured (stained?) my view of who/why we choose to help.

221 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:02:09am

re: #149 Romantic Heretic

Like Babylon 5, it got better.

My problem with it is that the Captain has been adopted by some ‘libertarians’ I know as the symbol of true freedom. Meaning they think Captain Mal kills every one who pisses him off and they wish they could too.

Mal doesn’t kill everyone who pisses him off. Mal hardly kills anyone who isn’t trying to kill him first.

222 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:04:19am

re: #172 oaktree

News from on high.

The Egyptians were right. Cats are gods.

And the Rapture is just a method to resupply Heaven with more servants and cat toys…

;)

So, basically, only cat people will be saved? Or are they going to take a few dog folks with allergies, just to watch them sneeze through eternity?

223 haavamaal  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:25:26am

Why do people even listen to this nut bag? I mean really he sells death and destruction for personal gain. Makes that stereotypical fire and brimstone preacher look passive.

224 Achilles Tang  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 11:48:39am

re: #222 SanFranciscoZionist

So, basically, only cat people will be saved? Or are they going to take a few dog folks with allergies, just to watch them sneeze through eternity?

No, only cats will be saved. There are already enough cat people there from 5000 years ago.


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