The Most Reactionary GOP Campaign in History

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This is shaping up to be the most reactionary far right Republican Party presidential campaign in history. We’ve got serial philanderer and newly-minted religious right mouthpiece Newt Gingrich, creationist anti-gay panderer to hate groups Tim Pawlenty, Herman “All Muslims want to kill us” Cain, Haley “The KKK wasn’t so bad” Barbour, and now, to complete the clown gallery, pseudo-libertarian extremist Rand Paul.

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206 comments
1 laZardo  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:41:40am

The good news is that when they’re all on one boat like that it’s easier to sink.

The bad news is that they still somehow have a chance of getting their ideal candidate elected to the highest office.

2 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:42:12am

I am out of the loop but did Barbour really say the KKK wasn’t so bad? And yes reactionary is what they are. These aren’t conservatives. These are people who want to take us back and bring back the worst elements of our nation’s history.

3 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:43:21am

Does he think a one-third Senator has a better chance than a half Governor?

4 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:44:32am

Newt Gingrich lacks moral fiber.

5 jamesfirecat  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:45:22am

“and now, to complete the clown gallery, pseudo-libertarian extremist Rand Paul.”

Wait a minuet, you meant he guy who was only elected a few months ago?

He’s running for president?

6 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:46:07am

Does this mean that Ron isn’t going to be running against his son?

Rand Paul is qualified to be President how? Anything that the GOP (and some Democrats) could sling at Obama when he was a freshman Senator with just 2 years experience applies to Paul as well - being in the same position and all.

Not that I’d expect consistency from the GOP when it comes to one of their own.

7 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:47:02am

I’m reposting this Pawlenty quote.

“Children who are victims of failed personal responsibility are not my problem, nor are they the problem for our government.” — Majority Leader Tim Pawlenty, April 2001 - as quoted in the Aitkin Independent Newspaper

8 Interesting Times  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:47:06am

re: #3 wrenchwench

Does he think a one-third Senator has a better chance than a half Governor?

Combine 1/3 Senator with 1/2 Governor. Stir in 3 cups crazyjuice. Bake for 30 minutes. Resulting GOP fruitcake serves top 1 percent.

9 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:47:40am

re: #2 HappyWarrior

I am out of the loop but did Barbour really say the KKK wasn’t so bad? And yes reactionary is what they are. These aren’t conservatives. These are people who want to take us back and bring back the worst elements of our nation’s history.

I think it was the White Citizens Council, which is known today as the Conservative Citizens Council or the CCC.

CCC get it? Isn’t that cute?

10 SteveMcGazi  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:47:43am

re: #6 lawhawk

Anybody’s experienced enough these days. All you need is all the answers for all the questions.

11 laZardo  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:47:53am

re: #8 publicityStunted

Combine 1/3 Senator with 1/2 Governor. Stir in 3 cups crazyjuice. Bake for 30 minutes. Resulting GOP fruitcake serves top 1 percent.

If ingested, SEE A DOCTOR. NOW.

12 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:48:03am

re: #7 Stanley Sea

I’m reposting this Pawlenty quote.

“Children who are victims of failed personal responsibility are not my problem, nor are they the problem for our government.” — Majority Leader Tim Pawlenty, April 2001 - as quoted in the Aitkin Independent Newspaper

Because goodness knows they aren’t going to grow up and become society’s problem.

13 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:48:34am

re: #7 Stanley Sea

I’m reposting this Pawlenty quote.

“Children who are victims of failed personal responsibility are not my problem, nor are they the problem for our government.” — Majority Leader Tim Pawlenty, April 2001 - as quoted in the Aitkin Independent Newspaper

Isn’t this the same guy who pats himself on the back constantly about being a “good Christian”? Somehow, I think Tim would feel differently if he had grown up in a troubled home and heard rhetoric from people like him about that.

14 martinsmithy  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:49:21am

At first, when I read this post, I assumed that Charles was talking about RON Paul running again. But then, I looked again, and saw it was his son that ‘s considering running, giving us the benefit of all his U.S. Senate experience. Hubris apparently runs in the family.

15 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:50:22am

Hey, at least if you vote for one of these men (or women, you left out Bachmann & Palin) you won’t be voting for an evil cult-member Mormon.

Mormons believe wacky things, like prepare for emergencies.

16 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:51:03am

re: #6 lawhawk

Does this mean that Ron isn’t going to be running against his son?

Rand Paul is qualified to be President how? Anything that the GOP (and some Democrats) could sling at Obama when he was a freshman Senator with just 2 years experience applies to Paul as well - being in the same position and all.

Not that I’d expect consistency from the GOP when it comes to one of their own.

Well technically, Obama was a state legislature and therefor still had more experience than Rand who has never held any other elected position. He’s just the beneficiary of nepotism and a famous name. Nobody knew who Obama was when he entered politics nor did he benefit from his name.

17 martinsmithy  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:51:04am

re: #13 HappyWarrior

Isn’t this the same guy who pats himself on the back constantly about being a “good Christian”? Somehow, I think Tim would feel differently if he had grown up in a troubled home and heard rhetoric from people like him about that.

It’s arguable that Christianity’s message to help the poor means the government is supposed to help the poor, as opposed to private charity.

But Pawlenty clearly said it’s not HIS problem as well as not the government’s problem. So yes, he’s another right-wing phony Christian, whom would brand Jesus a dangerous communist if He came back to Earth today.

18 jamesfirecat  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:51:32am

re: #6 lawhawk

Does this mean that Ron isn’t going to be running against his son?

Rand Paul is qualified to be President how? Anything that the GOP (and some Democrats) could sling at Obama when he was a freshman Senator with just 2 years experience applies to Paul as well - being in the same position and all.

Not that I’d expect consistency from the GOP when it comes to one of their own.

Umm… Obama was elected in 2004 and started running in 2006… so he has twice as much experience as Laup Dnar has….

19 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:52:18am

re: #8 publicityStunted

Combine 1/3 Senator with 1/2 Governor. Stir in 3 cups crazyjuice. Bake for 30 minutes. Resulting GOP fruitcake serves top 1 percent.

Serve with a huge wave of tea.

20 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:53:21am

re: #6 lawhawk

Does this mean that Ron isn’t going to be running against his son?

Rand Paul is qualified to be President how? Anything that the GOP (and some Democrats) could sling at Obama when he was a freshman Senator with just 2 years experience applies to Paul as well - being in the same position and all.

Not that I’d expect consistency from the GOP when it comes to one of their own.

Yes, but in his previous career Rand has a great deal of experience with helping people to see things more clearly…

21 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:53:29am

re: #9 moderatelyradicalliberal

I think it was the White Citizens Council, which is known today as the Conservative Citizens Council or the CCC.

CCC get it? Isn’t that cute?

The White Citizens Councils were the KKK, slightly cleaned up and slightly less violent.

22 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:54:10am

Slight geek note: Amazon’s Android App store is up and running and offering Angry Birds Rio for free.

23 Kronocide  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:54:14am

re: #14 martinsmithy

At first, when I read this post, I assumed that Charles was talking about RON Paul running again. But then, I looked again, and saw it was his son that ‘s considering running, giving us the benefit of all his U.S. Senate experience. Hubris apparently runs in the family.

I recall must consternation about Obama not having the experience, although Palin had very roughly the same. OK, she was running for VP.

With Rand Paul its now a valid contradiction. I just can’t see him making a credible run.

24 jamesfirecat  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:54:16am

re: #9 moderatelyradicalliberal

I think it was the White Citizens Council, which is known today as the Conservative Citizens Council or the CCC.

CCC get it? Isn’t that cute?

I don’t like the sound of these her Barnson Tration Bamps!

25 Gus  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:54:47am

re: #7 Stanley Sea

I’m reposting this Pawlenty quote.

“Children who are victims of failed personal responsibility are not my problem, nor are they the problem for our government.” — Majority Leader Tim Pawlenty, April 2001 - as quoted in the Aitkin Independent Newspaper

What a callous asshole.

26 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:56:03am

re: #7 Stanley Sea

I’m reposting this Pawlenty quote.

“Children who are victims of failed personal responsibility are not my problem, nor are they the problem for our government.” — Majority Leader Tim Pawlenty, April 2001 - as quoted in the Aitkin Independent Newspaper

I don’t see this hurting him, at least not with GOP voters. Is this not the basic summation of conservative opposition to social programs, welfare and their beliefs that all wasteful government spending is on people they don’t like or care about? Seriously, he’s just being honest about why he is a conservative. The only difference between this crop of GOP candidates and past GOP candidates is that the mask is off and they are telling the truth about how they feel and what they think. Pat Buchanan was ahead of his time.

27 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:58:46am

re: #21 Charles

The White Citizens Councils were the KKK, slightly cleaned up and slightly less violent.

You are correct. They were the “friendly” face of the KKK. The business leader wing. They hated black people, but didn’t much like the dumb crackers wearing sheets either. Same goal, different tactics.

28 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:59:59am

re: #3 wrenchwench

Does he think a one-third Senator has a better chance than a half Governor?

Of course there’s very little chance that any of the gop field could win a general election but in today’s Republican party he could conceivably win the nomination. His chances are certainly better that his father’s.

29 Gus  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:00:39am

re: #9 moderatelyradicalliberal

I think it was the White Citizens Council, which is known today as the Conservative Citizens Council or the CCC.

CCC get it? Isn’t that cute?

Country
Club
Clan

30 jea62  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:01:14am

Unless something drastic happens, nobody in this brigade of losers is likely to beat Obama next November.

A lot of been-theres and not ready for prime time wannabes, each trying to paint themselves more extreme than the other to please the fringe that controls the GOP primary cycle. Not conducive to win general elections after painting yourself into a right-wing corner, especially after most of them have flip-flopped on issues to placate the right.

Way I see it, 2010 was a blip because of the economy and the public’s anger at the bailouts. Republicans are likely to get spanked in 2012, and maybe even 2016 before they wise up and move back to the center.

The GOP has swung too far to the right to win a national election, even allowing for the Tea Party (already starting to wane, and as the economy recovers their passion will dry up even more).

31 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:01:21am

re: #29 Gus 802

Country
Club
Clan

Yeah, basically.

32 shutdown  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:02:48am

The Crazy Chickens are coming home to roost

33 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:02:58am

Ed Morrisey at Hot Air is jumping on Glenn Beck’s story about janitors plotting the destruction of the US.
An outrageous outrage is born.

34 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:03:10am

re: #30 jea62

Unless something drastic happens, nobody in this brigade of losers is likely to beat Obama next November.

A lot of been-theres and not ready for prime time wannabes, each trying to paint themselves more extreme than the other to please the fringe that controls the GOP primary cycle. Not conducive to win general elections after painting yourself into a right-wing corner, especially after most of them have flip-flopped on issues to placate the right.

Way I see it, 2010 was a blip because of the economy and the public’s anger at the bailouts. Republicans are likely to get spanked in 2012, and maybe even 2016 before they wise up and move back to the center.

The GOP has swung too far to the right to win a national election, even allowing for the Tea Party (already starting to wane, and as the economy recovers their passion will dry up even more).

I think they are all following the Palin Model. They may not win the nomination and the nomination might not be worth winning, but if they catch on fire with the case and become a conservative folk hero they can ride the wingnut welfare circuit to fame and riches. Even if they lose, they can still win.

35 quiet reader  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:03:36am

Since Rand Paul has only served 2 months of his 72 month term, doesn’t that make him a 1/36th term senator?

36 Kronocide  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:03:37am

re: #25 Gus 802

What a callous asshole.

It’s ironic that the distilled version of conservative philosophy, the ‘deny people help and they’ll help themselves or die’ paradigm, is ironically much like evolution, Darwinism if you will.

Funny.

37 shutdown  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:04:01am

That was meant to be accompanied by a clip:
Carnivale

38 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:04:15am

re: #30 jea62

The GOP has swung too far to the right to win a national election, even allowing for the Tea Party (already starting to wane, and as the economy recovers their passion will dry up even more).

The danger is that the economy may not recover enough to make Obama secure.

39 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:04:38am

re: #35 quiet reader

Since Rand Paul has only served 2 months of his 72 month term, doesn’t that make him a 1/36th term senator?

It’s a bit like the mother of a 3 week old baby writing a book on mothering.

I’d rather hear from the woman who raised ten.

40 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:04:46am

Send in the clowns…

41 jamesfirecat  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:05:25am

re: #40 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Send in the clowns…

They’re already here.

42 Gus  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:05:36am

re: #36 BigPapa

It’s ironic that the distilled version of conservative philosophy, the ‘deny people help and they’ll help themselves or die’ paradigm, is ironically much like evolution, Darwinism if you will.

Funny.

Yep. “Survival of the fittest” or a form of eugenics. Which of course is a key ingredient to pure capitalism — adapt or die. Allegedly.

43 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:05:41am

re: #39 EmmmieG

It’s a bit like the mother of a 3 week old baby writing a book on mothering.

I’d rather hear from the woman who raised ten.

I raised nine, and they are all productive, self-supporting adults. I should write the book!

44 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:06:33am

Rand Paul? This should get good. I expect some serious backlash in the reality marketplace.

45 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:06:47am

re: #33 Killgore Trout

Ed Morrisey at Hot Air is jumping on Glenn Beck’s story about janitors plotting the destruction of the US.
An outrageous outrage is born.

Morons.

The guy in question was FIRED by the SEIU for this crap, but they’re still going to freak out about it. Idiots.

46 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:07:03am

re: #43 Alouette

I raised nine, and they are all productive, self-supporting adults. I should write the book!

I’d buy it.

47 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:07:19am

re: #7 Stanley Sea

I’m reposting this Pawlenty quote.

“Children who are victims of failed personal responsibility are not my problem, nor are they the problem for our government.” — Majority Leader Tim Pawlenty, April 2001 - as quoted in the Aitkin Independent Newspaper

“Are there no workhouses, no prisons for the poor?”, asked Scrooge.

“But there aren’t enough, sir!” replied the solicitor.

“Then let them die and decrease the surplus population!”

Those views were not those of a lone crackpot, but a mainstream Malthusian view of how to deal with the poor in 19th-century England, and this view is making a comeback in America, it seems.

48 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:07:24am

My understanding of hte White Citizens Councils is they were merely a white collar KKK. In other words, the same bullshit just a different color.

49 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:07:30am

Now I know why the #tcot feed on Twitter is full of wingnuts ranting about SEIU.

50 Interesting Times  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:07:56am

re: #40 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Send in the clowns…

Image: bachman-clown.jpg

Image: boehner-clown.jpg

Image: mcconnel_clown_answer_1_xlarge.jpeg

51 Gus  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:08:20am

re: #33 Killgore Trout

Ed Morrisey at Hot Air is jumping on Glenn Beck’s story about janitors plotting the destruction of the US.
An outrageous outrage is born.

Oh boy. He’s referring to a former SEIU official. F-o-r-m-e-r. And it’s complete with Alex Joneseque paranoid videos. Is this a new departure for Hot Air?

52 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:08:38am

re: #17 martinsmithy

It’s arguable that Christianity’s message to help the poor means the government is supposed to help the poor, as opposed to private charity.

But Pawlenty clearly said it’s not HIS problem as well as not the government’s problem. So yes, he’s another right-wing phony Christian, whom would brand Jesus a dangerous communist if He came back to Earth today.

Right, that’s why I asked. He specifically says “It’s not my problem.” I have to admit to being amused when self proclaimed Christians sound more like Ayn Rand on the plight of the poor and hungry then Jesus Christ. It amuses and frustrates me really.

53 jamesfirecat  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:08:39am

re: #50 publicityStunted

Image: bachman-clown.jpg

Image: boehner-clown.jpg

Image: mcconnel_clown_answer_1_xlarge.jpeg

Boehner clown needs bigger and more obviosu teardrops….

54 Kronocide  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:09:11am

re: #42 Gus 802

Yep. “Survival of the fittest” or a form of eugenics. Which of course is a key ingredient to pure capitalism — adapt or die. Allegedly.

Yes, I’ve been noodling on that for a while now. It’s ideal for the business world and some facets of life but proof of such in evolutionary biology, blasphemy.

55 Gus  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:10:09am

re: #54 BigPapa

Yes, I’ve been noodling on that for a while now. It’s ideal for the business world and some facets of life but proof of such in evolutionary biology, blasphemy.

And part of evolutionary biology includes helping others.

56 calochortus  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:10:11am

re: #7 Stanley Sea

Seriously, I would love to hear a vaguely coherent explanation of how one can be a Christian and espouse the “not my problem” school of social issues. I understand how you can be Christian. I understand how you can not care about others. Holding both positions seems to practically define the term cognitive dissonance.

57 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:10:16am

re: #36 BigPapa

It’s ironic that the distilled version of conservative philosophy, the ‘deny people help and they’ll help themselves or die’ paradigm, is ironically much like evolution, Darwinism if you will.

Funny.


I am amazed at how these people reject Darwinism, save for the social part and embrace Christianity, save for the social part…

58 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:10:36am

re: #52 HappyWarrior

Right, that’s why I asked. He specifically says “It’s not my problem.” I have to admit to being amused when self proclaimed Christians sound more like Ayn Rand on the plight of the poor and hungry then Jesus Christ. It amuses and frustrates me really.

The GOP, as a whole, seem to have adopted the mantra “I’ve got mine, so fuck off!”

59 laZardo  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:11:12am

Fuck the clowns, I’m going to bed.

Nighty~

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:11:24am

re: #7 Stanley Sea

I’m reposting this Pawlenty quote.

“Children who are victims of failed personal responsibility are not my problem, nor are they the problem for our government.” — Majority Leader Tim Pawlenty, April 2001 - as quoted in the Aitkin Independent Newspaper

Children who are the victims of failed personal responsibility can sit on stoops and sell matches in the snow.

61 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:11:42am

re: #52 HappyWarrior

Right, that’s why I asked. He specifically says “It’s not my problem.” I have to admit to being amused when self proclaimed Christians sound more like Ayn Rand on the plight of the poor and hungry then Jesus Christ. It amuses and frustrates me really.


Jesus’s followers: But what about the poor, the sick and the hungry?

Jesus: It’s not my problem.

According the the official Wingnut Bible.

62 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:11:50am

re: #56 calochortus

Seriously, I would love to hear a vaguely coherent explanation of how one can be a Christian and espouse the “not my problem” school of social issues. I understand how you can be Christian. I understand how you can not care about others. Holding both positions seems to practically define the term cognitive dissonance.

Me too, and I’m a Christian.

I can see favoring charities that work to help a person become better or overcome problems that keep them from being self-supporting, if for no other reason than most people want to be self-supporting.

63 Kronocide  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:12:10am

re: #48 HappyWarrior

My understanding of hte White Citizens Councils is they were merely a white collar KKK. In other words, the same bullshit just a different color.

This calls for an analogy:

KKK = smelly nasty whack job yelling on street corner about the end of the world, a homeless Westboro Baptist flunky.

CCC = Glenn Beck

Any questions?

64 Gus  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:12:12am

Hot Air doesn’t have many comments these days.

65 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:12:32am

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

Children who are the victims of failed personal responsibility can sit on stoops and sell matches in the snow.

I hate that story. It makes me cry.

66 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:12:46am

i think rand paul would be a good president ….. of syria. they can replace the chinless opthamologist with the clueless opthamologist.

[Link: theweek.com…]


As for being President of the United States? Nah.

67 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:12:46am

re: #12 EmmmieG

Because goodness knows they aren’t going to grow up and become society’s problem.

Thankfully, most of them will die of childhood infectious diseases they weren’t vaccinated for, on account of that wasn’t the government’s responsibility either.

/

68 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:12:52am

re: #62 EmmmieG

Me too, and I’m a Christian.

I can see favoring charities that work to help a person become better or overcome problems that keep them from being self-supporting, if for no other reason than most people want to be self-supporting.

Oh, wait, I forgot. According to Huckabee, I’m not a Christian.

Sorry.

69 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:13:07am

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

Children who are the victims of failed personal responsibility can sit on stoops and sell matches in the snow.

Screw the little buggers if they weren’t lucky enough to hit the genetic lottery. Not my problem.

70 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:13:27am

re: #46 EmmmieG

I’d buy it.

I’m working on the chapter “How to Guilt Your Kids So They’ll Always Come Home for the Holidays.”

71 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:13:34am

The Grand Old Party, courageously dragging America back to the 19th century!

72 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:13:42am

I can see favoring private charity and such over the government too but the man said flat out “It’s not my problem.” As I said, it sounds to me that Pawlenty and others in his party take more pages from Ayn Rand then Christ on the plight of the less fortunate. If they didn’t wrap themselves in the cloak of Christianity and religion then it probably wouldn’t bother me as much. Probably still would since on a humanistic level, I feel it’s right to help those in need.

73 calochortus  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:13:56am

re: #62 EmmmieG

Me too, and I’m a Christian.

I can see favoring charities that work to help a person become better or overcome problems that keep them from being self-supporting, if for no other reason than most people want to be self-supporting.


Absolutely, people of good will can differ on what will be the most effective way to deal with a problem. I just don’t get the ‘tough patooties’ school of charitable works.

74 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:14:32am

re: #13 HappyWarrior

Isn’t this the same guy who pats himself on the back constantly about being a “good Christian”? Somehow, I think Tim would feel differently if he had grown up in a troubled home and heard rhetoric from people like him about that.

This is the part that confuses the hell out of me. These guys claim to be Christians. They also claim that Christianity should be part of public life.

How can you possibly square the idea that the state is, essentially, a Christian fellowship, with the idea that the state is not responsible for the poor, the widow, the orphan and the prisoner?

I DON’T GET IT.

75 Charleston Chew  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:14:37am

For a few days I thought that the waning popularity of Sarah Palin would lead to a more sensible Republican candidate by 2012, but now it seems like the antibiotic of sanity has only paved the way for new drug-resistant super-germs.

76 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:14:38am

re: #62 EmmmieG

Me too, and I’m a Christian.

I can see favoring charities that work to help a person become better or overcome problems that keep them from being self-supporting, if for no other reason than most people want to be self-supporting.

Yeah, but if it’s not you problem, why give to charity either. I hope this is on audio. It would make a great commercial for Obama.

77 Gus  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:14:38am

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

Children who are the victims of failed personal responsibility can sit on stoops and sell matches in the snow.

Hey. Once the GOP repeals child labor laws that will open a plethora of employment opportunities for those kids. Before that maybe they can sell Chiclets at some south of the border tourist town.

78 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:15:00am

re: #70 Alouette

I’m working on the chapter “How to Guilt Your Kids So They’ll Always Come Home for the Holidays.”

Have you heard the one joke?

A father calls up his oldest son before the High Holidays, and tells his son, that regretfully, after 40 years of marriage he and his wife are getting a divorce.

“Don’t do anything yet, Dad,” his son tells him. “I’ll get my two sisters and we’ll come down. We can fix this, I swear.”

Dad hangs up the phone and calls to his wife. “Linda? I did it. The kids will be here for the holidays.”

79 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:15:34am

re: #45 Charles

Morons.

The guy in question was FIRED by the SEIU for this crap, but they’re still going to freak out about it. Idiots.

But it’s a secret cabal of plumbers plotting to destroy the world! Mario Brothers were probably used to indoctrinate the youth with pro-plumbing propaganda!

80 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:15:46am

re: #78 EmmmieG

Have you heard the one joke?

A father calls up his oldest son before the High Holidays, and tells his son, that regretfully, after 40 years of marriage he and his wife are getting a divorce.

“Don’t do anything yet, Dad,” his son tells him. “I’ll get my two sisters and we’ll come down. We can fix this, I swear.”

Dad hangs up the phone and calls to his wife. “Linda? I did it. The kids will be here for the holidays.”

And she said, “Yeah, but now how do we get them to come for Passover?”

81 Kronocide  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:15:57am

Well, with my limited understanding of Jesus…. he sure seemed like a commie lib bleeding heart. Just sayin.

82 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:16:08am

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

This is the part that confuses the hell out of me. These guys claim to be Christians. They also claim that Christianity should be part of public life.

How can you possibly square the idea that the state is, essentially, a Christian fellowship, with the idea that the state is not responsible for the poor, the widow, the orphan and the prisoner?

I DON’T GET IT.

I think it’s their attempt to make Christianity and their vision of Capitalism one and the same even though of course Capitalism itself is a product of modern history.

83 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:16:23am

In the last presidential election, three GOP candidates admitted they were creationists.

In the next one, they’re ALL going to be creationists, with the possible exception of Mitt Romney.

84 quiet reader  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:16:27am

Sarah Palin aborts visit to Bethlehem

Sarah Palin has emerged at the centre of a potentially embarrassing mystery when she abruptly aborted a visit to Bethlehem just yards from an Israeli checkpoint guarding the entrance to the city of Christ’s birth.
Israeli military officials declined to comment on why Mrs Palin may have turned back, but the country’s defence ministry confirmed that she had made no formal request to visit the occupied West Bank – standard protocol for any foreign dignitary.
The oversight could prove embarrassing for Mrs Palin’s advisers, who are unused to planning for foreign visits and have a reputation for being poorly organised.

It is unclear whether Mrs Palin and her team failed to realise that Bethlehem lay on Palestinian territory rather than in Israel, a mistake often made by foreign tourists, though not so often by visiting politicians.

85 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:16:55am

re: #75 Charleston Chew

For a few days I thought that the waning popularity of Sarah Palin would lead to a more sensible Republican candidate by 2012, but now it seems like the antibiotic of sanity has only paved the way for new drug-resistant super-germs.

She’s left a vacuum that must be filled and it will be.

86 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:17:04am

re: #84 quiet reader

Sarah Palin aborts visit to Bethlehem

She had an abortion!1!1

87 McSpiff  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:17:22am

Trying out LGF on the new Firefox 4.0… so far only change is everything seems faster. Good job Charles on creating a standards complaint site. Everything from cutting edge browsers to iPhones seem to have no problem rendering the site. Honestly one of my favorite sites from a User Interface perspective (content too of course).

88 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:17:30am

re: #72 HappyWarrior

I can see favoring private charity and such over the government too but the man said flat out “It’s not my problem.” As I said, it sounds to me that Pawlenty and others in his party take more pages from Ayn Rand then Christ on the plight of the less fortunate. If they didn’t wrap themselves in the cloak of Christianity and religion then it probably wouldn’t bother me as much. Probably still would since on a humanistic level, I feel it’s right to help those in need.

I’ve always found it ironic that those who claim to be such “good Christians” can, with a straight face, claim to be followers of Ayn Rand, a woman who is on record more than once saying religion is a scam.

89 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:17:53am

re: #83 Charles

In the last presidential election, three GOP candidates admitted they were creationists.

In the next one, they’re ALL going to be creationists, with the possible exception of Mitt Romney.

And he’ll say he is, just because he thinks that’s what the base wants to hear.

90 calochortus  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:18:29am

re: #82 HappyWarrior

It just reminds me of the person (can’t remember who) who mad the point that religion really isn’t important to most people. The proof being they do all sorts of things their religion specifically tells them not to, and don’t do things they are supposed to. If they really believed in eternal punishment, or even just doing what a supreme being asked of them, they might alter that behavior.

91 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:18:51am

re: #89 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And he’ll say he is, just because he thinks that’s what the base wants to hear.

Yeah, I would be surprised to see him flip flop.

92 Charleston Chew  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:19:14am

re: #79 Killgore Trout

But it’s a secret cabal of plumbers plotting to destroy the world! Mario Brothers were probably used to indoctrinate the youth with pro-plumbing propaganda!

That’s Koopa Troopa talk!

93 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:19:21am

re: #33 Killgore Trout

Ed Morrisey at Hot Air is jumping on Glenn Beck’s story about janitors plotting the destruction of the US.
An outrageous outrage is born.

What were they gonna do? Mix bleach with ammonia and kill us all with chemical pneumonia?

Fail to put out the ‘Caution, Wet Floor’ signs, and let us slip and bang our heads?

94 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:19:29am

I say turn about is fair play. President Obama should refuse to answer whether or not he believes Tim Pawlenty is a Christian. Anybody who would day that can’t possibly be one.

95 shutdown  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:19:31am

re: #82 HappyWarrior

The Christianity aspect is a stalking horse for social re-engineering and the introduction of a good old-fashioned paternalistic, hierarchical 19th century family. Don’t be fooled by the Elmer Gantry-esque proclamations from the right. Apply Occam’s razor: These folks are racist, bigoted Malthusian jingoists.

97 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:19:49am

re: #35 quiet reader

Since Rand Paul has only served 2 months of his 72 month term, doesn’t that make him a 1/36th term senator?

He’s a fast learner.

98 Professor Chaos  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:19:54am

re: #83 Charles

In the last presidential election, three GOP candidates admitted they were creationists.

In the next one, they’re ALL going to be creationists, with the possible exception of Mitt Romney.

I’m sure The Chameleon will have “significant doubts” and will advocate to “teach the controversy.”

99 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:20:06am

re: #87 McSpiff

Trying out LGF on the new Firefox 4.0… so far only change is everything seems faster. Good job Charles on creating a standards complaint site. Everything from cutting edge browsers to iPhones seem to have no problem rendering the site. Honestly one of my favorite sites from a User Interface perspective (content too of course).

Thanks for the nice words.

100 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:20:35am

re: #88 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I’ve always found it ironic that those who claim to be such “good Christians” can, with a straight face, claim to be followers of Ayn Rand, a woman who is on record more than once saying religion is a scam.

Specifically, a scam to guilt you out of being a selfish asshole.

101 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:20:51am

re: #88 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I’ve always found it ironic that those who claim to be such “good Christians” can, with a straight face, claim to be followers of Ayn Rand, a woman who is on record more than once saying religion is a scam.


Yeah it’s not just the great contrast between Rand’s views on the poor and the Bible’s but the fact that Rand detested religion. When i took philosophy in high school, the people who argued for Rand’s viewpoint the most were the same people who described themselves as religious and were conservative on bio-ethical questions. It just seemed like a huge disconnect to me and still does.

102 calochortus  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:20:53am

re: #93 SanFranciscoZionist

What were they gonna do? Mix bleach with ammonia and kill us all with chemical pneumonia?

Fail to put out the ‘Caution, Wet Floor’ signs, and let us slip and bang our heads?

No of course not, they’re just going to quit cleaning and all those important people who are too important to clean up after themselves will sink into the filth…

103 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:21:26am

re: #93 SanFranciscoZionist

What were they gonna do? Mix bleach with ammonia and kill us all with chemical pneumonia?

Fail to put out the ‘Caution, Wet Floor’ signs, and let us slip and bang our heads?

According to Hot Air commenters the evil plumber in question has been visiting the White House….

According to Glenn Beck’s radio program this morning, Lerner appears at least four times in the White House visitors’ logs.
104 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:22:04am

re: #39 EmmmieG

It’s a bit like the mother of a 3 week old baby writing a book on mothering.

I’d rather hear from the woman who raised ten.

Rand’s only about ten years older than I am. I think it’s a Gen-X thing. We think we’re experts, and our experience is very, very, very important. This is basically the political version of Third Wave feminism. Lecturing our elders.

105 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:22:19am

re: #43 Alouette

I raised nine, and they are all productive, self-supporting adults. I should write the book!

I would buy it.

106 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:23:03am

This might be Beck’s most awesome conspiracy ever….

Glenn said they are working on things that the foreign people are up to to crater our country and should have that in a week or so. These people seem to mean business! If I were a betting person, my bet would be on soros knee deep in this.

Plumbers of the world unite!

107 lawhawk  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:24:08am

The GOP field is shaping up to be a bunch of rejects from John Carpenter’s Escape from LA. /just call me Snake

Youtube Video
108 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:24:25am

The plumbers might even round up white people….

Do I need to be concerned about the safety of my blond hair, blue eyed son? He is almost nine, but these unions might think he is a banker.

WashJeff on March 22, 2011 at 1:08 PM

109 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:24:43am

re: #101 HappyWarrior

Yeah it’s not just the great contrast between Rand’s views on the poor and the Bible’s but the fact that Rand detested religion. When i took philosophy in high school, the people who argued for Rand’s viewpoint the most were the same people who described themselves as religious and were conservative on bio-ethical questions. It just seemed like a huge disconnect to me and still does.

Yeah, it’s a bit like saying “I like Marx’s ideas on the state being run by the workers and all the profits going to them, but I still feel that I could be a good Christian in such a country.”

110 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:24:56am

re: #103 Killgore Trout

According to Hot Air commenters the evil plumber in question has been visiting the White House…

Wait, I’m getting irony readings… Rand Paul is the one whose toilet won’t flush satisfactorily, and wingnuts are concerned about a plumber visiting the White House… Is it jealousy?

111 Charleston Chew  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:24:58am

re: #96 Alouette

BBC: “Religion is becoming extinct in 9 nations.”

Hmm, and Canada’s one of them. That country looks better to me every day. Might have to pack my bags. Global warming will take the edge off the winters, and Tim Hortons’ new strawberry banana donuts only sweetens the deal.

112 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:25:02am

re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist

I would buy it.

I did not get any support from my mother and grandmother about stuff like breastfeeding. I basically had to wing it.

113 Gus  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:25:11am

re: #106 Killgore Trout

This might be Beck’s most awesome conspiracy ever…

Again.

Hot Air’s gone the way of Infowars. It’s basically a Teabagger site now and they’re usually pimping Glenn Beck.

114 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:25:54am

re: #108 Killgore Trout

The plumbers might even round up white people…

He should chill. His son’s hair will more than likely turn brown as he ages. Once he loses his Aryan looks he’ll be safe.
//

115 McSpiff  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:25:58am

re: #111 Charleston Chew

Hmm, and Canada’s one of them. That country looks better to me every day. Might have to pack my bags. Global warming will take the edge off the winters, and Tim Hortons’ new strawberry banana donuts only sweetens the deal.

Poutine, beaver tails, real bacon, the list goes on.

116 calochortus  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:26:50am

I don’t know a lot of conservative Ayn-Randian Christians, but the one or two I’ve spoken to really don’t know much about the religion they claim to adhere to. One thought “teach a man to fish…” was in the bible, another said there was nothing in the Bible that said government should handle charitable giving. I never noticed where it specified that-in fact, Jesus appeared to have been in favor of paying your taxes.

117 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:26:55am

re: #112 Alouette

I did not get any support from my mother and grandmother about stuff like breastfeeding. I basically had to wing it.

I’m not sure where my mother got her support. I never did ask my grandmother if she had nursed. My father’s mother did not, and regretted it.

I had my mother, my aunts, my sisters, etc.

Still, the $50 I spent on one visit to a lactation consultant was totally worth it. I figure I saved that money hundreds of times over. Plus, I lost weight by nursing.

118 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:26:58am

re: #110 wrenchwench

Wait, I’m getting irony readings… Rand Paul is the one whose toilet won’t flush satisfactorily, and wingnuts are concerned about a plumber visiting the White House… Is it jealousy?

Toilet envy.

119 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:27:03am

re: #108 Killgore Trout

The plumbers might even round up white people…

Haha sheesh, “may think he’s a banker.” Seriously the paranoia about unions and union members is so absurd. Their own hero, President Reagan was a union member and I remember it being made a big deal that Palin’s husband was a member of one too. I guess some unions are better than otehrs or unions are bad when minorities are involved with them. It’s typical.

120 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:27:03am

re: #55 Gus 802

And part of evolutionary biology includes helping others.

Yup. We are group animals, always have been.

One theory that I’ve mentioned here before, find it very interesting, is that the reason homosexuality survived as such a relatively common trait in humans is that evolutionarily speaking, the offspring of siblings of gay humans got an advantage, due to extra, primarily non-reproducing adults bringing home food, protecting the cave, what have you.

We evolved to take care of one another. “We must all stick together, and point the spears out,” quoth Og Frankog, “Or assuredly, we will all get munched on by a sabertooth separately.”

121 okonkolo  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:27:03am

This ought to be interesting as it can really deprive Tea Party /Libertarian oxygen to all the wannbe Tea Party candidates, not to mention Palin, Cain. I think the GOP primary season is going to go really deep, and once the field thins there will likely be a Tea vs. non-Tea repeat candidate standing, and that will get really interesting.

122 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:27:25am

re: #7 Stanley Sea

I’m reposting this Pawlenty quote.

“Children who are victims of failed personal responsibility are not my problem, nor are they the problem for our government.” — Majority Leader Tim Pawlenty, April 2001 - as quoted in the Aitkin Independent Newspaper

Stunning quote. Not only for its moral depravity, but also for his apparent inability to see its moral depravity.

123 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:28:00am

re: #56 calochortus

Seriously, I would love to hear a vaguely coherent explanation of how one can be a Christian and espouse the “not my problem” school of social issues. I understand how you can be Christian. I understand how you can not care about others. Holding both positions seems to practically define the term cognitive dissonance.

The nearest thing I’ve heard to an explanation is ‘I should get to decide’, which may explain why you don’t want a government program to do it, but isn’t theologically sound if you mean you get to decide to help or not.

124 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:28:06am

re: #113 Gus 802

Again.

Hot Air’s gone the way of Infowars. It’s basically a Teabagger site now and they’re usually pimping Glenn Beck.

Allah Pundit tried to resist promoting Breitbart’s bogus videos but looks like he was overruled.

125 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:29:04am

re: #112 Alouette

I did not get any support from my mother and grandmother about stuff like breastfeeding. I basically had to wing it.

My mom read a book about raising twins when she found out she was going to give birth to them soon… A year later she re-read it and found to her dismay that the author had alternated breast feeding one with a bottle for the other. My mom thought the author had totally breast fed both of hers, so that’s what my mom did. Boy was she tired.

126 Gus  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:29:55am

re: #124 Killgore Trout

Allah Pundit tried to resist promoting Breitbart’s bogus videos but looks like he was overruled.

Now they’re pimping “Obama’s Abu Ghraib” by way of Drudge.

Talk about hypocrites. They’re dancing in glee over this.

127 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:30:11am

re: #65 EmmmieG

I hate that story. It makes me cry.

In one of Terry Pratchett’s books, it gets a different ending. Death is standing in for the Hogfather, (the Discworld’s version of Santa), and he doesn’t like the story either, so he picks up the little girl, takes her to the police station, and tells them to warm her up and feed her. When the angels arrive to carry her off, Death’s assistant throws snowballs at them.

128 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:30:25am

re: #111 Charleston Chew

Hmm, and Canada’s one of them. That country looks better to me every day. Might have to pack my bags. Global warming will take the edge off the winters, and Tim Hortons’ new strawberry banana donuts only sweetens the deal.

re: #115 McSpiff

Poutine, beaver tails, real bacon, the list goes on.

Just spent a week in Montreal. I could get accustomed to this real quick: Schwartz’s World Famous Smoked Meat

129 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:30:47am

re: #122 Talking Point Detective

Stunning quote. Not only for its moral depravity, but also for his apparent inability to see its moral depravity.

I think this may be the most cold blooded thing I’ve heard a politician say in quite some time.

Barack Obama: Yes, We Can Again!

Tim Pawlenty: Not His Problem!

130 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:30:53am

re: #127 SanFranciscoZionist

In one of Terry Pratchett’s books, it gets a different ending. Death is standing in for the Hogfather, (the Discworld’s version of Santa), and he doesn’t like the story either, so he picks up the little girl, takes her to the police station, and tells them to warm her up and feed her. When the angels arrive to carry her off, Death’s assistant throws snowballs at them.

Oh yeah. I loved that part.

I love Death. I mean the Discworld Death. He rocks.

131 Winny Spencer  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:31:15am

Epic fail.

He’ll split the Paultard-vote.

132 Gus  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:31:24am

@Gus_802
@hotairblog @allahpundit @edmorrissey So when are you guys going to start featuring Alex Jones and links to Infowars? #LGF #wingnuts

133 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:31:29am

re: #71 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The Grand Old Party, courageously dragging America back to the 19th century!

What’s exasperating is that people worked their asses off throughout the nineteenth century to solve some of these issues, and make society more just, and now these idiots just spit on their accomplishments.

134 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:32:18am

re: #125 wrenchwench

My mom read a book about raising twins when she found out she was going to give birth to them soon… A year later she re-read it and found to her dismay that the author had alternated breast feeding one with a bottle for the other. My mom thought the author had totally breast fed both of hers, so that’s what my mom did. Boy was she tired.


My younger sister had (not by design) a boy, two twin girls, and another boy, within four years of each other. Actually, a little less. She had four in diapers.

She nursed them all.

We don’t try to top her “tired” stories.

135 McSpiff  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:32:27am

re: #128 Talking Point Detective

re: #115 McSpiff

Just spent a week in Montreal. I could get accustomed to this real quick: Schwartz’s World Famous Smoked Meat

No way, I just got back this weekend! Shoulda had an LGF meet up at Schwartz’s.

136 jamesfirecat  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:32:27am

re: #130 EmmmieG

Oh yeah. I loved that part.

I love Death. I mean the Discworld Death. He rocks.

HO. HO. HO.

137 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:32:35am

re: #133 SanFranciscoZionist

What’s exasperating is that people worked their asses off throughout the nineteenth century to solve some of these issues, and make society more just, and now these idiots just spit on their accomplishments.

I think that’s the point. They want to repeal the last 100 years or so.

138 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:33:35am

re: #65 EmmmieG

I hate that story. It makes me cry.

Most of Hans Christian Andersen’s stories are Teh Suck. Do you know the original ending of The Little Mermaid? Disney really cleaned it up.

139 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:33:49am

re: #134 EmmmieG

My younger sister had (not by design) a boy, two twin girls, and another boy, within four years of each other. Actually, a little less. She had four in diapers.

She nursed them all.

We don’t try to top her “tired” stories.

Yeah, but—-with cloth diapers?

/I hope not, for her sake…

140 Four More Tears  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:34:26am

Tons of new tablet news coming out of CTIA today. Samsung Tab 10.1-inch for only $499? Oh yeah…

141 calochortus  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:34:33am

re: #123 SanFranciscoZionist

The nearest thing I’ve heard to an explanation is ‘I should get to decide’, which may explain why you don’t want a government program to do it, but isn’t theologically sound if you mean you get to decide to help or not.

Just like I got to decide whether to go to war in Iraq? Sorry, it just doesn’t work that way in real life.
I also think its pretty obvious that helping as individuals isn’t as effective as government programs, for a variety of reasons. So unless you think the effort is more important than the result, I’d suggest using government.

142 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:35:26am

When I was a kid, I had a copy of Andersen’s Fairy Tales illustrated by Artur Szyk. That book scared the crap out of me. Zedushka said he had the same book and it scared the crap out of him too.

“The Girl Who Trod on a Loaf.” What. The. Fuck. Scariest illustrated kid’s story, EVER. I had nightmares for years.

143 Charleston Chew  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:35:34am

re: #115 McSpiff

Poutine, beaver tails, real bacon, the list goes on.

Chips flavored in both Zesty Mordant and Dressed All Over.

144 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:36:22am

What I don’t get about people like Pawlenty is they seem to disdain using the government to help improve people’s life “because that’s not the government’s role” but they’re just fine with using the government to restrict a legal procedure (abortion) or to tell two consenting adults of the same sex they can’t marry because of the Bible or that you can’t smoke a joint. Just seems to be a huge disconnect to me.

145 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:36:29am

re: #117 EmmmieG

I’m not sure where my mother got her support. I never did ask my grandmother if she had nursed. My father’s mother did not, and regretted it.

I had my mother, my aunts, my sisters, etc.

Still, the $50 I spent on one visit to a lactation consultant was totally worth it. I figure I saved that money hundreds of times over. Plus, I lost weight by nursing.

My mom was a La Leche League member. Pins, meetings, the whole nine yards.

146 calochortus  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:37:32am

re: #138 Alouette

Most of Hans Christian Andersen’s stories are Teh Suck. Do you know the original ending of The Little Mermaid? Disney really cleaned it up.

As are Grimm’s fairy tales. The world was a harsh place.

147 lostlakehiker  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:38:19am

re: #30 jea62

Unless something drastic happens, nobody in this brigade of losers is likely to beat Obama next November.

A lot of been-theres and not ready for prime time wannabes, each trying to paint themselves more extreme than the other to please the fringe that controls the GOP primary cycle. Not conducive to win general elections after painting yourself into a right-wing corner, especially after most of them have flip-flopped on issues to placate the right.

Way I see it, 2010 was a blip because of the economy and the public’s anger at the bailouts. Republicans are likely to get spanked in 2012, and maybe even 2016 before they wise up and move back to the center.

The GOP has swung too far to the right to win a national election, even allowing for the Tea Party (already starting to wane, and as the economy recovers their passion will dry up even more).


The GOP cannot win an election. But the Democrats can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Again.

148 AlexRogan  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:38:37am

Charles, any new word on Mobile LGF? While the site renders fine on Dolphin Browser HD and the stock browser on my Captivate, trying to post from it has some minor annoyances (not your fault, just how the browsers behave). XDA-developers uses Tapatalk for their mobile frontend and it works pretty good…an Android-native version of LGF would be nice. ;-P

149 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:40:17am

re: #134 EmmmieG

My younger sister had (not by design) a boy, two twin girls, and another boy, within four years of each other. Actually, a little less. She had four in diapers.

She nursed them all.

We don’t try to top her “tired” stories.

There’s been a small trend of lesbian couples having babies at roughly the same time, which just strikes me as insane—you want to have at least one parent at any given time who’s not hormonal, lactating, or otherwise coping with serious pregnancy stuff. But the ladies who took the cake were the couple who each had twins, within a couple of months of one another.

I felt tired just reading the story in the paper.

150 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:40:39am

re: #146 calochortus

As are Grimm’s fairy tales. The world was a harsh place.

My mom gave me a Grimm’s fairy tales book and most of them scared me to death. Every other story seemed to be about cannibalism. They gave me bad dreams and still creep me out.

151 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:41:17am

re: #149 SanFranciscoZionist

There’s been a small trend of lesbian couples having babies at roughly the same time, which just strikes me as insane—you want to have at least one parent at any given time who’s not hormonal, lactating, or otherwise coping with serious pregnancy stuff. But the ladies who took the cake were the couple who each had twins, within a couple of months of one another.

I felt tired just reading the story in the paper.

I’m sure while working full time at their high-powered executive professional careers.

152 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:41:52am

re: #146 calochortus

As are Grimm’s fairy tales. The world was a harsh place.

Yes, but in Grimm, the good people get to be happy, and the bad people meet dreadful deaths, mostly.

In Anderson, horrible things happen to the protagonists. Constantly.

153 NervyNews  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:41:55am

Bill Maher: Sarah Palin a ‘Dumb Twat’ (VIDEO)

154 calochortus  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:41:55am

re: #150 moderatelyradicalliberal

Oddly, I get creeped out pretty easily, but while the fairy tales made me feel sad, I did love them as a child. Probably looking for the occasional happy ending.

155 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:42:47am

re: #147 lostlakehiker

The GOP cannot win an election. But the Democrats can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Again.

And that is what I actuallt am worried about. The Democrats can’t form a coherent message or have their president’s back for anything. Bill Clinton had to get impeached before his party acted like he was worth supporting or defending.

156 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:43:53am

re: #144 HappyWarrior

What I don’t get about people like Pawlenty is they seem to disdain using the government to help improve people’s life “because that’s not the government’s role” but they’re just fine with using the government to restrict a legal procedure (abortion) or to tell two consenting adults of the same sex they can’t marry because of the Bible or that you can’t smoke a joint. Just seems to be a huge disconnect to me.

It comes down to blind, simple greed. They don’t want other people benefiting from “their” tax dollars, but if those dollars instead go to enforcing their moral and ethical standards on others, then no price is too high.

157 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:44:13am

re: #152 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, but in Grimm, the good people get to be happy, and the bad people meet dreadful deaths, mostly.

In Anderson, horrible things happen to the protagonists. Constantly.

Which as actually a more accurate depiction of life. Life isn’t fair and good people suffer.

158 calochortus  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:44:27am

Years ago I read an interesting piece on the changes in Little Red Riding Hood over time. Originally, it was just about “the world is a dangerous place”. Be careful. Be resourceful. By Victorian times it was about being good, and doing as you were told (don’t talk to anyone, don’t stray off the path) or bad things would happen.

159 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:44:30am

re: #68 EmmmieG

Oh, wait, I forgot. According to Huckabee, I’m not a Christian.

Sorry.

That’s cool, you can come be with us “no longer Christian because we love our Gay congregants” Episcopalians. Foo on them.

160 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:45:41am

re: #149 SanFranciscoZionist

There’s been a small trend of lesbian couples having babies at roughly the same time, which just strikes me as insane—you want to have at least one parent at any given time who’s not hormonal, lactating, or otherwise coping with serious pregnancy stuff. But the ladies who took the cake were the couple who each had twins, within a couple of months of one another.

I felt tired just reading the story in the paper.

If you want a big family, there’s something to be said for getting it all over with at once, but what they’ll miss out on is the much more relaxed attitude that comes with child #2 and subsequent ones. Every #2 child I know is happier than #1, presumably because the parents learned something from the initial experience.

161 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:45:46am

re: #154 calochortus

Oddly, I get creeped out pretty easily, but while the fairy tales made me feel sad, I did love them as a child. Probably looking for the occasional happy ending.

Oh I loved them. I couldn’t put the book down. I was terrified and having fun all at the same time. I still have the book so I can read it to my children one day.

162 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:45:57am

re: #151 Alouette

I’m sure while working full time at their high-powered executive professional careers.

I don’t recall what they did. Trying to find the article now, but I can’t locate it. They were local, it was in the Jewish local paper.

163 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:47:10am

re: #157 moderatelyradicalliberal

Which as actually a more accurate depiction of life. Life isn’t fair and good people suffer.

I could read Camus for that. Fairy tales are supposed to be about plucky orphan lads marrying princesses.

164 HappyWarrior  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:47:47am

I’ve heard about those Grimm brothers tales. Man, talk about dark. It’s so interesting that Disney was able to sanitize them the way they have and did. I have not read the original Little Mermaid but I am familiar with what happens since it was mentioned in a book I recently finished. I am not a big fiction reader but when I do read it, I want to read something I believe can happen and not with the overdone endings. I like a little bit of darkness or better yet ambiguity. I like that in film too.

165 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:48:09am

re: #158 calochortus

Years ago I read an interesting piece on the changes in Little Red Riding Hood over time. Originally, it was just about “the world is a dangerous place”. Be careful. Be resourceful. By Victorian times it was about being good, and doing as you were told (don’t talk to anyone, don’t stray off the path) or bad things would happen.

The sexual component also started to get cut out of it.

166 calochortus  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:48:31am

Time to take some personal responsibility and go do something constructive. I’m a non-religious Democrat so that will probably overthrowing God’s kingdom or something, but what can one do?
/

167 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:53:15am

re: #96 Alouette

BBC: “Religion is becoming extinct in 9 nations.”

Thank God. (irony intended)

168 elizajane  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:55:04am

re: #149 SanFranciscoZionist

There’s been a small trend of lesbian couples having babies at roughly the same time, which just strikes me as insane—you want to have at least one parent at any given time who’s not hormonal, lactating, or otherwise coping with serious pregnancy stuff. But the ladies who took the cake were the couple who each had twins, within a couple of months of one another.

I felt tired just reading the story in the paper.

I had twins as a single working parent but they were both six-ish when I adopted them so I skipped all the hormones, lactation, and even sleepless nights (they were champion sleepers—it was a talent fostered by their orphanage).

More on-topic, when I told my Rush-listening brother that I was thinking about adopting, his first response was “You can’t do that! Why? Well, you’d be a single mom!” His vision clearly was that I would immediately quit my high-paying job and become a welfare queen. It was just incredible. It taught me how bizarrely right-wing rhetoric can twist the brains of seemingly intelligent human beings.

169 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:55:12am

Ran out on an errand.

Here’s a thought: Without looking it up, name the Disney Princes. Aladdin doesn’t count, since he was the star of the movie.

What was the name of Cinderella’s prince? Or Sleeping Beauty’s?

170 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:57:52am

Also, the symbolism in Little Mermaid is intense, and I doubt any of the little girls who watched the movie got it.

It’s basically a feminist screed. Losing your voice? Splitting of the legs? Walking on pins and needles? Getting ditched for the “real” princess?

171 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:57:58am

re: #169 EmmmieG

Ran out on an errand.

Here’s a thought: Without looking it up, name the Disney Princes. Aladdin doesn’t count, since he was the star of the movie.

What was the name of Cinderella’s prince? Or Sleeping Beauty’s?

Who cares?

/”I was raised to be charming, not sincere.” (Into The Woods)

172 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:58:57am

Oh, and Sleeping Beauty’s name is Aurora.

(Her prince’s name is Phillip.)

173 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:59:02am

re: #169 EmmmieG

Ran out on an errand.

Here’s a thought: Without looking it up, name the Disney Princes. Aladdin doesn’t count, since he was the star of the movie.

What was the name of Cinderella’s prince? Or Sleeping Beauty’s?

I believe they were all named “Charming”.

174 Killgore Trout  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:59:11am

re: #169 EmmmieG

Ran out on an errand.

Here’s a thought: Without looking it up, name the Disney Princes. Aladdin doesn’t count, since he was the star of the movie.

What was the name of Cinderella’s prince? Or Sleeping Beauty’s?

I’ll guess one of them is Prince Charming. That reminds me that maybe it’s time to change the way little girls are raised. I think marriage is a failing institution (at least marriage for life). Maybe it’s not such a great idea to raise little girls on the idea that finding a man is the ultimate goal for happiness.

175 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:59:50am

re: #171 SanFranciscoZionist

Who cares?

/”I was raised to be charming, not sincere.” (Into The Woods)

In our house Ken was always headless, naked, and shoved way under the bed. He was uninteresting to us, because he didn’t wear pretty dresses.

176 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 11:01:05am

re: #174 Killgore Trout

I’ll guess one of them is Prince Charming. That reminds me that maybe it’s time to change the way little girls are raised. I think marriage is a failing institution (at least marriage for life). Maybe it’s not such a great idea to raise little girls on the idea that finding a man is the ultimate goal for happiness.

The bad idea is that your job is to be pretty and loveable and someone will come and save you from your troubles.

I love Mulan. Get the guy by impressing him with your courage and resourcefulness. (Plus, some mad skillz with both a fan and a sword.)

177 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 11:01:25am

re: #96 Alouette

Read that article. Nonesense, but it will be used to fuel some righteous indignation somewhere, I am sure.

Physicists have as much authority in discussing religion as theologist have in discussing physics…

178 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 11:01:41am

re: #175 EmmmieG

In our house Ken was always headless, naked, and shoved way under the bed. He was uninteresting to us, because he didn’t wear pretty dresses.


I meant among my sisters and I as little girls. I don’t think in my adult home I ever bothered to buy my daughter a Ken doll.

179 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 11:02:40am

re: #174 Killgore Trout

I’ll guess one of them is Prince Charming. That reminds me that maybe it’s time to change the way little girls are raised. I think marriage is a failing institution (at least marriage for life). Maybe it’s not such a great idea to raise little girls on the idea that finding a man is the ultimate goal for happiness.

Well what’s funny about the whole Price Charming riding to the rescue story is that he is a blank slate. He’s handsome and rich, is pretty much all you can gather. It says nothing about what you do want in a husband that will actually matter in terms of getting along with someone for a lifetime or even a few years.

180 zora  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 11:03:03am

re: #84 quiet reader

It’s tough for a Republican politician to lose friends by visiting Israel. Yet Sarah Palin is in danger of doing so.

The former GOP vice presidential candidate arrived in Israel Sunday for a two-day visit.

Ben Smith in Politico reports that the trip was booked through a Christian tour operator. But the real news is who did not book the trip: the Republican Jewish Coalition, the group that brought George W. Bush to Israel in 1998, Mitt Romney in 2007, Haley Barbour in 2011, and many other presidential hopefuls beside.

[Link: www.frumforum.com…]

181 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 11:03:15am

re: #174 Killgore Trout

I’ll guess one of them is Prince Charming. That reminds me that maybe it’s time to change the way little girls are raised. I think marriage is a failing institution (at least marriage for life). Maybe it’s not such a great idea to raise little girls on the idea that finding a man is the ultimate goal for happiness.

I think that Disney should do a version of “Molly Whuppie”. In that one, the heroine sucessfully outwits the giant, and wins the kings’ sons as husbands for herself and her sisters. I think modern little girls would enjoy it.

I imagine the cartoon her with auburn hair and maybe a little less willowy than the average run of Disney Princess.

I liked it that they did the story of Mu Lan, but there were parts of the movie I could have done without.

182 lostlakehiker  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 11:04:09am

re: #56 calochortus

Seriously, I would love to hear a vaguely coherent explanation of how one can be a Christian and espouse the “not my problem” school of social issues. I understand how you can be Christian. I understand how you can not care about others. Holding both positions seems to practically define the term cognitive dissonance.

I’ll give it a shot. The position isn’t exactly “not my problem” as a human being. It’s “not my problem” as a politician.

A company of firemen may stand back from a building that’s on fire, if it’s burning because of a firefight between cops and kooks. That’s not the firemen’s problem. It’s not that the firemen are singing burn baby burn. The problem is that any attempt to put out the fire would be doomed. The firemen would just get shot. It’s the cops’ problem. They’re the ones with the proper tools for the job at hand.


The belief in left-liberal circles that the government has the answer to every problem, and that it need only summon the will to act and the problem is as good as solved, gets in the way of understanding the other side.

Many Christians, probably most, believe that there are problems beyond reach of government solutions. One such problem, from the Christian perspective, is this: how do we instill in children good habits, decent manners, a kind heart? Government ought not teach the exact opposite, but it can’t very well turn its schools into Sunday School or the equivalent in other faiths. And even those institutions don’t have kids for anything like the time span their parents have them.

Another such problem: poverty. The State can relieve the poverty of those who become disabled [for real]. No one seeks that fate and there are few enough in that category that the burden is easily borne.

But some poverty arises out of moral poverty, and can sometimes be solved through moral suasion. Alcoholics Anonymous doesn’t bat anywhere near 100% with alcoholics who are interested in kicking the habit rather than kicking the bucket, but they do better than the State. The Salvation Army has its own methods for helping street people, and Christians tend to believe that this is more effective than what the State does.

Christians believe that there is another side to life. Render under Caesar what is Caesars, etc.

And so when a (sincere [and yes, there are those who are not sincere]) Christian right-wing politician says that thus and so is not his problem, he doesn’t mean the same thing as a liberal politician would mean by the same words—-to wit, that it’s not his problem because he doesn’t give a fuck and he’ll win election either way. What it means is that he doesn’t think it’s the proper province of government to attempt a solution. That the attempt would be doomed to failure out of the nature of things. That funds that could be spent on the public good in other settings will be squandered.

183 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 11:05:14am

re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist

I think that Disney should do a version of “Molly Whuppie”. In that one, the heroine sucessfully outwits the giant, and wins the kings’ sons as husbands for herself and her sisters. I think modern little girls would enjoy it.

I imagine the cartoon her with auburn hair and maybe a little less willowy than the average run of Disney Princess.

I liked it that they did the story of Mu Lan, but there were parts of the movie I could have done without.

Have you seen the new Frog one? The prince actually has a character and a large part of the story is how the heroine and he have to grow together and learn to get along.

184 kirkspencer  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 11:06:07am

re: #168 elizajane

I had twins as a single working parent but they were both six-ish when I adopted them so I skipped all the hormones, lactation, and even sleepless nights (they were champion sleepers—it was a talent fostered by their orphanage).

More on-topic, when I told my Rush-listening brother that I was thinking about adopting, his first response was “You can’t do that! Why? Well, you’d be a single mom!” His vision clearly was that I would immediately quit my high-paying job and become a welfare queen. It was just incredible. It taught me how bizarrely right-wing rhetoric can twist the brains of seemingly intelligent human beings.

Murphy Brown, over and over again.

185 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 11:06:13am

re: #180 zora

I understand she actually lectured to Israelis for always apologizing or some shit. I guess she forgot people don’t like being lectured in their own home and that it’s only President Obama who is supposed to be accused of apologizing all of the time. When your head is full of talking in points and no real thoughts, these things happen.

186 allegro  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 11:06:19am

re: #177 ralphieboy

Physicists have as much authority in discussing religion as theologist have in discussing physics…

P.Z. Myers has an interesting commentary on the medel that was used for this today.

187 Gus  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 11:08:50am

‘Till later.

188 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 11:09:11am

re: #179 moderatelyradicalliberal

Well what’s funny about the whole Price Charming riding to the rescue story is that he is a blank slate. He’s handsome and rich, is pretty much all you can gather. It says nothing about what you do want in a husband that will actually matter in terms of getting along with someone for a lifetime or even a few years.

They’re not love stories, they’re rescue stories.

It’s the last midnight.
It’s the last wish.
It’s the last midnight,
Soon it will be boom—
Squish!
Told a little lie, stole a little gold, broke a little vow,
Did you?
Had to get your Prince, had to get your cow,
Have to get your wish, doesn’t matter how..
Anyway, it doesn’t matter now.
It’s the last midnight,

189 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 11:10:37am

re: #185 moderatelyradicalliberal

I understand she actually lectured to Israelis for always apologizing or some shit. I guess she forgot people don’t like being lectured in their own home and that it’s only President Obama who is supposed to be accused of apologizing all of the time. When your head is full of talking in points and no real thoughts, these things happen.

I’m trying to think why she might characterize the Israelis as being apologetic. It doesn’t make much sense.

190 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 11:20:17am

re: #189 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m trying to think why she might characterize the Israelis as being apologetic. It doesn’t make much sense.

I think she was telling them not to apologize for defending themselves. Last time I checked they don’t. But I like I said she probably just confused her talking points. If anything good came out of this trip it’s the the Likud party got to see up close who their evangelical supporters in America are and they may as well deal with Obama. He’s not the enemy and he’s not an ignorant fool filled with dreams of Armaggedon.

191 zora  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 11:23:27am

re: #185 moderatelyradicalliberal

I understand she actually lectured to Israelis for always apologizing or some shit. I guess she forgot people don’t like being lectured in their own home and that it’s only President Obama who is supposed to be accused of apologizing all of the time. When your head is full of talking in points and no real thoughts, these things happen.

Palin probably knew her question reflected a profound historical echo, from a famous essay by Ze’ev Jabotinsky entitled “Instead of Excessive Apology:”

i’ve seen this referenced in commentary magazine and some other blogs. you see sarah is more brilliant than you know. / HA! (in chris matthews voice)

[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com…]

192 calochortus  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 11:34:34am

re: #182 lostlakehiker

Just popping back in for a minute-you are painting with a pretty broad brush.
Most liberals don’t think that the government can solve all problems, but I think it has done a better job than private and faith based organizations overall.
A quick piece of evidence is that Social Security reduced poverty among the elderly by a huge amount. Not that all elderly were in poverty, but those who were weren’t being helped by their families, their church or their community. The federal government instituted an effective program. Private charity is fine, but it isn’t the sole solution.

Pawlenty also specified that it wasn’t his personal problem either, and I’m pretty confident he’s not alone.

193 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 11:34:38am

re: #164 HappyWarrior

I’ve heard about those Grimm brothers tales. Man, talk about dark. It’s so interesting that Disney was able to sanitize them the way they have and did. I have not read the original Little Mermaid but I am familiar with what happens since it was mentioned in a book I recently finished. I am not a big fiction reader but when I do read it, I want to read something I believe can happen and not with the overdone endings. I like a little bit of darkness or better yet ambiguity. I like that in film too.

Shockingly dark origins of classic fairy tales. (“Cracked” is firewalled here, because they use Teh F Bomb which we delicate workers should not read)

194 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 11:39:25am

re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist

I think that Disney should do a version of “Molly Whuppie”. In that one, the heroine sucessfully outwits the giant, and wins the kings’ sons as husbands for herself and her sisters. I think modern little girls would enjoy it.

I imagine the cartoon her with auburn hair and maybe a little less willowy than the average run of Disney Princess.

I liked it that they did the story of Mu Lan, but there were parts of the movie I could have done without.

I think they did that with “Princess and the Frog” where the prince is basically a deadbeat loser and Tiana is the sourpuss workaholic. She teaches him how to be responsible and he teaches her how to loosen up and have fun.

195 Jaerik  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 11:39:50am

Say what you will about Paul, (I still wouldn’t vote for him), but I respect the fact he sticks to his beliefs regardless of the political consequences.

I saw him on the Daily Show the other day, and he seemed very calm and quite internally consistent. Yeah, he was irresponsibly zealous about cutting spending across the board, but at least it was across the board. Not just NPR, PP, unions, etc.

And he’s the only candidate I’ve seen who is willing to admit that major parts of the GOP platform are at odds with each other. (Read: “less government intervention” meaning “more interventions in abortions” and “more power to execute citizens,” “harsher drug laws,” etc.)

By comparison, whackjobs like Gingrich don’t even give a nod towards internal consistency and freely admit their beliefs and actions are completely malleable to whatever the political (or even marriage) winds are of the moment.

196 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 11:40:00am

re: #169 EmmmieG

Ran out on an errand.

Here’s a thought: Without looking it up, name the Disney Princes. Aladdin doesn’t count, since he was the star of the movie.

What was the name of Cinderella’s prince? Or Sleeping Beauty’s?

What was Beast’s real name?

197 SteveMcGazi  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 11:44:17am

re: #196 Alouette

What was Beast’s real name?

Sean “The Beast” Pfister?

198 BongCrodny  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 11:59:27am

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

This is the part that confuses the hell out of me. These guys claim to be Christians. They also claim that Christianity should be part of public life.

How can you possibly square the idea that the state is, essentially, a Christian fellowship, with the idea that the state is not responsible for the poor, the widow, the orphan and the prisoner?

I DON’T GET IT.


I think they believe more in the God part of it than they do the Jesus part of it. The Old Testament “God shall surely smite thee” blitzkrieg stuff has just so much more oomph than that New Testament “Love thy neighbor” hippie crap.

I don’t remember if this was first said here at LGF or some other site I haunt (and I offer my apologies for the theft), but a very appropriate comment wondered why the religious arch-right was always trying to get the 10 Commandments displayed in public buildings, but they never showed the same passion about the Beatitudes or the larger Sermon on the Mount.

199 BongCrodny  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:00:34pm

re: #196 Alouette

What was Beast’s real name?


[comic book geek] Hank McCoy. [ / comic book geek]

200 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:16:17pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

I am out of the loop but did Barbour really say the KKK wasn’t so bad? And yes reactionary is what they are. These aren’t conservatives. These are people who want to take us back and bring back the worst elements of our nation’s history.

I regard them as revolutionaries. They want to destroy the current social system and replace it with one more to their liking. Something quite similar to the one the Founders overthrew two centuries ago.

The Wheel turns…

201 JEA62  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:24:35pm

The ironic thing about conservatives is they’re right when they say the family unit needs to be strengthened.

They’re just doing everything that they can in exactly the opposite direction - to kill the family unit, because of their schizophrenic ideology.

202 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:45:55pm

re: #107 lawhawk

The GOP field is shaping up to be a bunch of rejects from John Carpenter’s Escape from LA. /just call me Snake

[Video]


I misread that as “the GOD field”

203 122 Year Old Obama  Tue, Mar 22, 2011 6:48:42pm

Did it ever occur to these morons that maybe the plumber was visiting the White House because he was doing his job? ‘Cause maybe there’s problems with the pipes or toilets or whatever? There is such a thing as clogged White House toilets, you know.

204 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Mar 23, 2011 3:56:19am

re: #182 lostlakehiker

But some poverty arises out of moral poverty, and can sometimes be solved through moral suasion. Alcoholics Anonymous doesn’t bat anywhere near 100% with alcoholics who are interested in kicking the habit rather than kicking the bucket, but they do better than the State.

This is absolutely false.

AA has the same success rate as nothing at all.

205 JEA62  Wed, Mar 23, 2011 4:39:35am

re: #198 BongCrodny

The problem is that the “God will smite thee” part of Christianity has come to be associated with the right, and the “care for the widows, orphans, and poor” part has come to be associated with the left.

Christianity is politicized, which is also ironic, since right-wingers talk about how it’s Islam that is political system rather than a religion when Christianity is just as bad.

206 robomatic  Wed, Mar 23, 2011 7:54:19pm

Maybe it’s the Republican party that is heading for ‘end times’.

Thank you Revelations!


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