John Bolton (another possible GOP presidential candidate) says he knows how to handle Muammar Gaddafi, unlike President Obama who’s leading the US into a “quagmire.” (Look out! The Q word!)
Ironsides Bolton would have gone in with boots on the ground and guns a-blazing the second day of the conflict.
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darthstar Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:29:00pm |
John Bolton should stick to playing his stupid fucking clarinet.
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Four More Tears Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:29:39pm |
Ah, so this is how you criticize Obama for doing something you wanted to him to do. Complain that he didn’t go far enough.
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Kragar Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:29:45pm |
I can see no possible negative repercussions to that course of action.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:31:35pm |
Damned if he does what Bolton wants, damned if he doesn’t.
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Four More Tears Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:32:06pm |
I think we should interrogate Bolton for the information he must have gotten from the future on how to deploy troops so quickly…
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Romantic Heretic Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:33:01pm |
Isn’t the Army kind of busy in Iraq and Afghanistan? So what are you going to use, John?
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Kragar Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:33:59pm |
re: #6 Romantic Heretic
Isn’t the Army kind of busy in Iraq and Afghanistan? So what are you going to use, John?
First, we outlaw abortions, then we harvest a conscript army.
/
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:34:01pm |
re: #5 JasonA
I think we should interrogate Bolton for the information he must have gotten from the future on how to deploy troops so quickly…
Just occupy the whole world. They we will have troops on call everywhere we need them.
/
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HappyWarrior Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:34:26pm |
Military action is something that should carefully be used and considered. Bolton if heaven forbid ever got elected president would use the military very irrationally.
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engineer cat Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:34:50pm |
yet another in a long line of war mongering chicken hawks
Bolton supported the Vietnam War and enlisted in the Maryland Army National Guard, but did not serve in Vietnam. He wrote in his Yale 25th reunion book “I confess I had no desire to die in a Southeast Asian rice paddy. I considered the war in Vietnam already lost.”
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:37:09pm |
Lets put Bolton into BDU’s & body armor, hand him an M-4 carbine & say he can be the first Platoon Leader on the ground. Then we’ll see shat the [censored] chicken-hawk is really made of.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:38:53pm |
And on the other foot, Al Jazeera has Dennis Kucinich on right now telling Al Jazeeras viewers that us being “in” Libya is unconstitutional!
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Four More Tears Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:39:09pm |
re: #13 wlewisiii
Lets put Bolton into BDU’s & body armor, hand him an M-4 carbine & say he can be the first Platoon Leader on the ground. Then we’ll see shat the [censored] chicken-hawk is really made of.
Methinks “shat” was a freudian slip.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:39:15pm |
I tell you what angers me about chickenhawks like Bolton. It’s not so much that they refused to serve when they had the chance. It’s that they act like war is this simple and easy thing and act like the loss of life is not a big deal. That is what angers me about Bolton and I think what angered my grandfather, a Korean war veteran in the lead up to the Iraq War. He saw all these asses acting like that war would be easy and that no one would have to suffer for it and I think it angered him knowing that he had friends that died in combat.
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Interesting Times Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:40:22pm |
re: #13 wlewisiii
Lets put Bolton into BDU’s & body armor, hand him an M-4 carbine & say he can be the first Platoon Leader on the ground. Then we’ll see shat the [censored] chicken-hawk is really made of.
Very apropos typo, if you were thinking of what he’d do to his pants were he actually in that situation :)
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:41:39pm |
This is the same Bolton that called for American military hegemony in the middle east, so this is hardly surprising. The guy has wanted us to invade and conquer the entire region with military force for more than a decade. So, he has about as much credibility on this issue as my cat, who regularly licks his own butthole.
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recusancy Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:43:30pm |
More proof that the loony right sees “nuance” as a bad thing: washingtonpost.com
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theheat Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:44:11pm |
Bolton must possess some iPhone app that endlessly loops John Wayne’s Greatest Hits In An Alternate Universe; where by virtue of being a righteous American, the opposition throws down its arms and runs away like a bunch of Nancys.
This happens to be UN coalition effort. Heaven forbid anyone steals our fucking thunder, especially those gutless smelly French people.
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recusancy Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:46:25pm |
Always a good laugh when a yellow elephant starts with the John Wayne talk.
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wrenchwench Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:46:58pm |
Bolton should get his boots on and put ‘em on the ground in Bahrain, Yemen, Syria, Sudan, hey why not Gaza while we’re at it…
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recusancy Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:48:46pm |
re: #22 wrenchwench
Bolton should get his boots on and put ‘em on the ground in Bahrain, Yemen, Syria, Sudan, hey why not Gaza while we’re at it…
Well, he didn’t want to die in the rice paddies so I would assume he doesn’t want to die in the desert. That’s somebody else’s job. He provides the rhetoric.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:49:16pm |
re: #13 wlewisiii
Lets put Bolton into BDU’s & body armor, hand him an M-4 carbine & say he can be the first Platoon Leader on the ground. Then we’ll see shat the [censored] chicken-hawk is really made of.
Yikes, PIMF. what = shat but I’m sure you all figured that out already.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:50:20pm |
Seems like not all is lost for Ukraine. The criminal case against ex-president Leonid Kuchma has been officially confirmed. He is suspected of being an accomplice in the murder of the journalist Georgiy Gongadze as well as other criminal actions against him while he was still alive. The so-called Melnichenko tapes, in which Kuchma and then interior minister Kravchenko (who later committed suicide a day before the official interrogation) are heard plotting against Gongadze, have been acknowledged as key evidence. Tymoshenko, on the other hand, thinks it’s all a farce.
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Stanley Sea Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:50:32pm |
re: #19 recusancy
More proof that the loony right sees “nuance” as a bad thing: [Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]
Wow, that Romney quote!!
The only way these people think they can go against Obama is by making him the “other” nothing substantieve, nothing for real.
“I believe that it flows from his fundamental disbelief in American exceptionalism. In the President’s world, all nations have ‘common interests,’ the lines between good and evil are blurred, America’s history merits apology. And without a compass to guide him in our increasingly turbulent world, he’s tentative, indecisive, timid and nuanced.”
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iceweasel Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:51:20pm |
re: #21 recusancy
Always a good laugh when a yellow elephant starts with the John Wayne talk.
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:52:30pm |
re: #26 Stanley Sea
Must be his “Kenyan world view”. After all, Kenya was a former British colony that rebelled violently against its oppressors.
That is totally against everything America stands for.
/
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:52:44pm |
re: #18 Fozzie Bear
This is the same Bolton that called for American military hegemony in the middle east, so this is hardly surprising. The guy has wanted us to invade and conquer the entire region with military force for more than a decade. So, he has about as much credibility on this issue as my cat, who regularly licks his own butthole.
Your cat has more credibility since the cat would never try to convince you it was speaking/acting in your best interests. The cat would be honesty and have integrity in that it was speaking and acting in the cat’s best interest.
I think the GOP has a serious infection of IRV* going on.
*- Integrity Regression Virus
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Achilles Tang Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:52:48pm |
Anyone know who is behind this “paid for by America, Inc.” ad that leads to “obamamadness” or something similar (I didn’t bookmark it)?
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Charles Johnson Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:53:08pm |
I’m torn on whether to mercilessly mock the right wing outrageous outrage of the day (SEIU JANITOR PLOTTED TO DESTROY AMERICA!), or ignore it because it’s so fucking stupid it makes me sleepy.
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wrenchwench Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:53:56pm |
re: #31 Charles
I’m torn on whether to mercilessly mock the right wing outrageous outrage of the day (SEIU JANITOR PLOTTED TO DESTROY AMERICA!), or ignore it because it’s so fucking stupid it makes me sleepy.
Coffee + Mockery = WIN
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:57:20pm |
re: #31 Charles
I’m torn on whether to mercilessly mock the right wing outrageous outrage of the day (SEIU JANITOR PLOTTED TO DESTROY AMERICA!), or ignore it because it’s so fucking stupid it makes me sleepy.
Well, if you’re asking I’ll vote ignore. There’s gotta be something better to mock like Tim Pawlenty or even Scott Walker that would provide more blogging fun.
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theheat Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:57:33pm |
re: #26 Stanley Sea
This is the same ignoramus that put his dog on the roof of his car - in the cold - for 12 fucking hours.
the incident was pointed to as an example of Romney’s emotion-free crisis management style. Others viewed it differently, regarding the mode of canine transport the dog was subjected to as unnecessarily callous and cruel.
This, of course, before Romeny started attending every freaky right wing fundie function to show how much he cared about his country.
He’s an ass. An ass with better hair than the rest of the asses.
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recusancy Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:59:04pm |
re: #34 wlewisiii
Well, if you’re asking I’ll vote ignore. There’s gotta be something better to mock like Tim Pawlenty or even Scott Walker that would provide more blogging fun.
Yeah. Low hanging fruit gets old. Though, to be honest, I don’t think there’s much fruit growing high on the tree these days.
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:59:10pm |
re: #35 theheat
He’s an ass. An ass with better hair than the rest of the asses.
Do not underestimate the power of hair.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:59:26pm |
re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
First, we outlaw abortions, then we harvest a conscript army.
/
you snark, but there was someone who actually said that a few years ago, that if it weren’t for abortions we’d have x thousand people to join the military.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:59:48pm |
re: #32 wrenchwench
You’re getting a lot of retweets for your AZ ‘race and gender’ post. Already #4 in the most-tweeted Pages.
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iossarian Tue, Mar 22, 2011 12:59:54pm |
re: #35 theheat
This is the same ignoramus that put his dog on the roof of his car - in the cold - for 12 fucking hours.
Checking, checking…
Yup, it’s been done:
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theheat Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:00:42pm |
re: #37 ralphieboy
“Do not underestimate the power of hair.”
Is John Edwards still giving campaign advice?
//
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:01:31pm |
re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
and here’s the quote:
“People talk about ‘Well, do you think God is blessing America or judging America?’ Well, I think God is doing both right now,” the SBC leader says, “and part of the judgment of God on America is abortion. We have a Social Security crisis because of abortion. If it weren’t for abortion, we’d have 41 or 42 million more Americans working. They wouldn’t have been aborted [if abortion were not legal], and they would be contributing to Social Security.”
(Dr. Richard Land, president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention)
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recusancy Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:01:36pm |
re: #39 Charles
You’re getting a lot of retweets for your AZ ‘race and gender’ post. Already #4 in the most-tweeted Pages.
What’s the criteria for going featured? Just how many updings it gets?
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Stanley Sea Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:02:20pm |
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:02:24pm |
re: #42 Dreggas
wrong one, let me look for it again
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iossarian Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:03:45pm |
re: #33 Jeff In Ohio
Do we really know who Obama is?
I’ve never met him, have you?
For all we know HE DOESN’T EVEN EXIST.
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sagehen Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:03:46pm |
re: #14 sattv4u2
And on the other foot, Al Jazeera has Dennis Kucinich on right now telling Al Jazeeras viewers that us being “in” Libya is unconstitutional!
Dennis Kucinich also says he’s had personal contact with alien spacecraft.
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iceweasel Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:04:29pm |
re: #16 HappyWarrior
I tell you what angers me about chickenhawks like Bolton. It’s not so much that they refused to serve when they had the chance. It’s that they act like war is this simple and easy thing and act like the loss of life is not a big deal. That is what angers me about Bolton and I think what angered my grandfather, a Korean war veteran in the lead up to the Iraq War. He saw all these asses acting like that war would be easy and that no one would have to suffer for it and I think it angered him knowing that he had friends that died in combat.
First World War poet sassoon:
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est
Pro patria mori
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:05:00pm |
re: #42 Dreggas
This is the core philosophy of the Fundamentalist Right: we enjoy our “exceptional status” because we enjoy exceptional standing with the Lord.
As soon as we stray from the Path of God, we have stepped onto the slippery slope of decline…
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:05:53pm |
re: #47 sagehen
Dennis Kucinich also says he’s had personal contact with alien spacecraft.
Dennis is going to lose his district. Fuck him.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:06:09pm |
re: #43 recusancy
What’s the criteria for going featured? Just how many updings it gets?
No set criteria - whatever seems topical and important. I tend to favor Pages that include commentary of some kind, not just bare links and quotes - but not always.
At this point people aren’t using the Pages rating buttons enough for them to be a reliable way of automatically driving the better stuff to the top.
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iossarian Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:06:40pm |
re: #48 iceweasel
First World War poet sassoon:
“Good morning, good morning,” the General said,
As he passed us last week on our way to the line.
Now the lads that he greeted are most of ‘em dead,
And we’re cursing his staff for incompetent swine.
“He’s a cheery old card,” grunted Harry to Jack,
As they slogged up to Arras with rifle and pack.
But he did for them both by his plan of attack.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:07:53pm |
re: #31 Charles
I’m torn on whether to mercilessly mock the right wing outrageous outrage of the day (SEIU JANITOR PLOTTED TO DESTROY AMERICA!), or ignore it because it’s so fucking stupid it makes me sleepy.
It’s a tough call. The only reason I didn’t page it is because I couldn’t listen to the whole tape to see how bad it is. I didn’t get much past “Janitors for Justice” before my stupid meter blew a fuse.
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jaunte Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:08:36pm |
Mitt Romney blasts Obama for being “nuanced”
Bolton must by contrast be ‘Refreshingly simpleminded.”
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iossarian Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:08:50pm |
re: #54 ralphieboy
pacifist swine
/
That’s me, hiding in the rear!
I’ll make a quilt out of those white feathers.
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theheat Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:10:13pm |
re: #49 ralphieboy
This is the core philosophy of the Fundamentalist Right: we enjoy our “exceptional status” because we enjoy exceptional standing with the Lord.
And some football teams are more exceptional than others. Why? Because their prayers are better.
It always defaults to the team that’s had the fewest abortions. And gay people.
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sagehen Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:10:29pm |
re: #48 iceweasel
First World War poet sassoon:
Rudyard Kipling:
If any question why we died
Tell them, because our fathers lied.
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:10:30pm |
re: #52 iossarian
Heh, my old man would like that. 4 years as a Marine PFC battalion scout in the Salomon Islands and a few weeks off Nagasaki and he claimed the only persons he really wanted to kill were all officers over the rank of captain.
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BishopX Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:12:08pm |
re: #39 Charles
You’re getting a lot of retweets for your AZ ‘race and gender’ post. Already #4 in the most-tweeted Pages.
Charles,
Would it be possible to have a “most tweeted links” filter at the top of the page, along with the highest rated, most commented, most recent and most clicked filters?
Thanks
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:12:26pm |
re: #55 jaunte
why is it that these people remind me more and more of the God Emperor in Warhammer 40k and the Sith?
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wrenchwench Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:12:50pm |
re: #39 Charles
You’re getting a lot of retweets for your AZ ‘race and gender’ post. Already #4 in the most-tweeted Pages.
Arizona comes through again!!1!
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iceweasel Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:13:45pm |
re: #58 sagehen
Rudyard Kipling:
If any question why we died
Tell them, because our fathers lied.
Parable of the Old Man and the Young , wilfred owen
So Abram rose, and clave the wood, and went,
And took the fire with him, and a knife.
And as they sojourned both of them together,
Isaac the first-born spake and said, My Father,
Behold the preparations, fire and iron,
But where the lamb for this burnt-offering?
Then Abram bound the youth with belts and straps,
and builded parapets and trenches there,
And stretchèd forth the knife to slay his son.
When lo! an angel called him out of heaven,
Saying, Lay not thy hand upon the lad,
Neither do anything to him. Behold,
A ram, caught in a thicket by its horns;
Offer the Ram of Pride instead of him.
But the old man would not so, but slew his son,
And half the seed of Europe, one by one.
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Stanley Sea Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:14:17pm |
re: #54 ralphieboy
pacifist swine
/
Appropriate tweet just received
chefludo Ludo Lefebvre
My pig is smilling twitpic.com
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theheat Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:14:33pm |
re: #62 wrenchwench
I bow before the majesty of your bolded Comic Sans plus exclamation points. Incalculable wingnut awesomeness. Awesome Rex.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:15:08pm |
OT but kinda cool.
Neighborhood is getting crowded.
Of course if we find any of them harbor life I imagine the right wing response will be to build a space fence around our solar system and attempt to remove anyone on our side, unless of course they care for our kids or mow our lawns.
//
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Kragar Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:15:25pm |
re: #61 Dreggas
why is it that these people remind me more and more of the God Emperor in Warhammer 40k and the Sith?
Don’t blame the God-Emperor. He got taken down and misinterpreted after he was entombed.
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wrenchwench Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:17:43pm |
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Four More Tears Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:18:58pm |
re: #43 recusancy
What’s the criteria for going featured?
The number of wingnut tears that fall over it.
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Mickey_being_mickey Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:19:30pm |
re: #48 iceweasel
Wilfred Owen is always a great. Always made the days go by faster in Iraq. Not that a chickenhawk like John Bolton would know anything about it.
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Gus Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:19:55pm |
John Bolton: leader of the chickenhawks.
And a chickenhawk himself.
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Gus Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:20:43pm |
John Bolton gets into one side pissing match with President Obama.
Alternate title.
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theheat Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:20:56pm |
re: #68 wrenchwench
Keep kicking wingnut butt. I need to go be all serious and make an audio visual aid thingy for a presentation. Bluck. Later.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:21:12pm |
re: #71 Gus 802
John Bolton: leader of the chickenhawks.
And a chickenhawk himself.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:22:05pm |
re: #75 Gus 802
was gonna say, see definition 3.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:24:34pm |
re: #66 Dreggas
OT but kinda cool.
Neighborhood is getting crowded.
Of course if we find any of them harbor life I imagine the right wing response will be to build a space fence around our solar system and attempt to remove anyone on our side, unless of course they care for our kids or mow our lawns.
//
If interstellar space travel is possible, we have been visited. I think it’s kind of absurd to claim otherwise, but then again, that puts me in a similar category as Kusinich.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:25:41pm |
re: #77 Fozzie Bear
I actually agree with you.
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Bob Dillon Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:27:07pm |
re: #6 Romantic Heretic
Isn’t the Army kind of busy in Iraq and Afghanistan? So what are you going to use, John?
Not to endorse his plan but there are a bunch of Marines shipboard in the Med that are quite capable of pulling it off.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:27:38pm |
re: #78 Dreggas
I actually agree with you.
Of course there’s also the possibility that interstellar travel is just impossible given any level of technological advancement. If that’s the case, the universe is packed full of intelligent beings each looking up and wondering, and none of them able to confirm it.
How many beings are asking this same question, right now?
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Four More Tears Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:28:37pm |
re: #79 Bobibutu
Not to endorse his plan but there are a bunch of Marines shipboard in the Med that are quite capable of pulling it off.
I thought they did that “shores of Tripoli” thing already…
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Varek Raith Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:29:32pm |
re: #80 Fozzie Bear
Of course there’s also the possibility that interstellar travel is just impossible given any level of technological advancement. If that’s the case, the universe is packed full of intelligent beings each looking up and wondering, and none of them able to confirm it.
How many beings are asking this same question, right now?
I sure if that was the case, some would have slow boated around the galaxy.
;)
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Bob Dillon Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:30:47pm |
re: #81 JasonA
I thought they did that “shores of Tripoli” thing already…
Practice makes perfect. ;-)
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Mickey_being_mickey Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:31:01pm |
Moammar Gadhafi’s snipers and tanks are terrorizing civilians in Libya’s third-largest city, and the U.S. military said Tuesday it was “considering all options” in response to dire conditions that have left people cowering in darkened homes and scrounging for food and rainwater.
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Targetpractice Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:31:24pm |
re: #80 Fozzie Bear
Of course there’s also the possibility that interstellar travel is just impossible given any level of technological advancement. If that’s the case, the universe is packed full of intelligent beings each looking up and wondering, and none of them able to confirm it.
How many beings are asking this same question, right now?
Remember reading an argument the other day that we, as in humanity, may in fact be the first intelligent species to evolve to this level. That we’re the “Precursor” species whose existence will one guide others to the stars.
That’s assuming we don’t blow ourselves up in the process.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:32:19pm |
Fox: Obama Believes In One World Government , Not National Sovereignty
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:32:38pm |
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makeitstop Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:33:00pm |
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:33:21pm |
re: #87 Killgore Trout
Fox: Obama Believes In One World Government , Not National Sovereignty
[Video]
well that would be fine to the idiots on FOX just so long as it was the US leading said one world government.
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Varek Raith Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:33:45pm |
re: #86 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Remember reading an argument the other day that we, as in humanity, may in fact be the first intelligent species to evolve to this level. That we’re the “Precursor” species whose existence will one guide others to the stars.
That’s assuming we don’t blow ourselves up in the process.
Until a Shadow vessel phases out of hyperspace and crashes the party.
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Mickey_being_mickey Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:34:08pm |
re: #88 Dreggas
Sweet, I’ve already tired of Black Ops. But not Modern Warfare 2.
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Targetpractice Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:34:43pm |
re: #91 Varek Raith
Until a Shadow vessel phases out of hyperspace and crashes the party.
Well, remember that life here began out there.
/
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Charles Johnson Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:35:00pm |
re: #87 Killgore Trout
Fox: Obama Believes In One World Government , Not National Sovereignty
[Video]
The loons are completely out now. Napolitano is sounding crazier and crazier.
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Kragar Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:35:17pm |
re: #86 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Remember reading an argument the other day that we, as in humanity, may in fact be the first intelligent species to evolve to this level. That we’re the “Precursor” species whose existence will one guide others to the stars.
That’s assuming we don’t blow ourselves up in the process.
Pff, we’re nothing but wolflings whose sponsors abandoned us.
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Targetpractice Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:35:32pm |
re: #94 Charles
The loons are completely out now. Napolitano is sounding crazier and crazier.
Wonderful plumage.
/
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:35:46pm |
re: #86 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Remember reading an argument the other day that we, as in humanity, may in fact be the first intelligent species to evolve to this level. That we’re the “Precursor” species whose existence will one guide others to the stars.
That’s assuming we don’t blow ourselves up in the process.
Assuming ourselves to be all the way at the very tippy edge of the bell curve seems to be unwarranted, I would think. Given the number of stars out there, that seems like an incredibly unlikely thing to happen, no?
This strikes me as just another version of the “we are special” line of thinking, which never struck me as particularly compelling. What if we have already been discovered by myriad other technologically advanced civilizations, and dismissed as far to dumb to be worth interacting with?
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Charles Johnson Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:36:54pm |
re: #60 BishopX
Charles,
Would it be possible to have a “most tweeted links” filter at the top of the page, along with the highest rated, most commented, most recent and most clicked filters?
Thanks
Check the left sidebar — ‘Tweeted Pages’.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:36:55pm |
re: #94 Charles
The loons are completely out now. Napolitano is sounding crazier and crazier.
It’s interesting that he also mentions Kucinich along with Ron Paul as the great standard bearers of freedom. It’s no surprise to see Alex Jones also linking to that video today.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:37:05pm |
Whooo let the loons out? *woof woof woof woof*
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Targetpractice Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:37:35pm |
re: #97 Fozzie Bear
Assuming ourselves to be all the way at the very tippy edge of the bell curve seems to be unwarranted, I would think. Given the number of stars out there, that seems like an incredibly unlikely thing to happen, no?
This strikes me as just another version of the “we are special” line of thinking, which never struck me as particularly compelling. What if we have already been discovered by myriad other technologically advanced civilizations, and dismissed as far to dumb to be worth interacting with?
That, of course, is the other side’s argument. Namely that we’re an evolutionary backwater, with more intelligent species either ignoring us due to how primitive we seem or avoiding contact for their own reasons.
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Kragar Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:38:27pm |
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Varek Raith Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:39:11pm |
re: #102 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The Canadians.
The US should switch over to the loon.
DEFICIT AND DEBT PROBLEM SOLVED.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:40:18pm |
A 28-year-old Philadelphia says he stoned a 70-year-old friend to death “because the Bible refers to stoning homosexuals.” John Thomas said he killed Murray Seidman with
stones inside a sock after the older man made “unwanted sexual advances.” From the AP report:According to the complaint, “John Thomas stated that he read in the Old Testament that homosexuals should be stoned in certain situations. The answer John Thomas received from his prayers was to put an end to the victim’s life. John Thomas stated that he struck the victim approximately 10 times in the head. After the final blow, John Thomas made sure the victim was dead.”
SHARIA SHARIA SHAR uh what
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:40:38pm |
re: #101 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
That, of course, is the other side’s argument. Namely that we’re an evolutionary backwater, with more intelligent species either ignoring us due to how primitive we seem or avoiding contact for their own reasons.
We’re an entertainment channel for them I bet.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:41:05pm |
re: #102 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The Canadians.
Argh, everything’s gone wrong since Canada came along.
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:42:22pm |
However, some of our concepts still confuse the aliens. Thus, more probing…
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Kragar Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:43:23pm |
re: #101 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
That, of course, is the other side’s argument. Namely that we’re an evolutionary backwater, with more intelligent species either ignoring us due to how primitive we seem or avoiding contact for their own reasons.
Lack of contact is proof there is intelligence out there.
/
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Stanley Sea Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:48:27pm |
Joshua_holland1 Joshua Holland
RT this classic! RT @SenJohnMcCain: Late evening with Col. Qadhafi at his “ranch” in Libya - interesting meeting with an interesting man.
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Varek Raith Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:48:43pm |
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Targetpractice Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:48:47pm |
re: #106 oaktree
We’re an entertainment channel for them I bet.
“Tonight, we observe the mating habits of the species we’ve dubbed ‘Politicus Hypocriticus.’”
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albusteve Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:49:06pm |
re: #100 Sergey Romanov
Whooo let the loons out? *woof woof woof woof*
always skied to that song once in a while…made me feel fast reckless
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Eclectic Cyborg Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:51:00pm |
Question on Bolton: I notice Fox refers to him as Ambassador John Bolton even though he is a former ambassador. Does he get to keep his title or is Fox just calling him that to make him seem more important.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:53:59pm |
re: #114 dragonfire1981
Question on Bolton: I notice Fox refers to him as Ambassador John Bolton even though he is a former ambassador. Does he get to keep his title or is Fox just calling him that to make him seem more important.
It’s sort of like the terms “governor” and “human being”. Terms are loosely defined on Fox.
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:55:41pm |
re: #115 Fozzie Bear
It’s sort of like the terms “governor” and “human being”. Terms are loosely defined on Fox.
Maybe they can send him to Iowa to testify as a former fetus as well…
//
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:56:08pm |
re: #114 dragonfire1981
Question on Bolton: I notice Fox refers to him as Ambassador John Bolton even though he is a former ambassador. Does he get to keep his title or is Fox just calling him that to make him seem more important.
The same way David Duke’s fans still call him a “Rep.”.
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charlz Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:56:46pm |
re: #114 dragonfire1981
Question on Bolton: I notice Fox refers to him as Ambassador John Bolton even though he is a former ambassador. Does he get to keep his title or is Fox just calling him that to make him seem more important.
Yes, ambassador is a title that stays with the person.
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Slap Tue, Mar 22, 2011 1:58:04pm |
re: #86 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Remember reading an argument the other day that we, as in humanity, may in fact be the first intelligent species to evolve to this level. That we’re the “Precursor” species whose existence will one guide others to the stars.
That’s assuming we don’t blow ourselves up in the process.
Then again, another (fictional) speculation was made by Harlan Ellison, in a story called “The Sky Is Burning”.
(Found in Ellison Wonderland.)
One of my favorite spec fic stories — summarized here.
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prairiefire Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:01:58pm |
re: #114 dragonfire1981
Question on Bolton: I notice Fox refers to him as Ambassador John Bolton even though he is a former ambassador. Does he get to keep his title or is Fox just calling him that to make him seem more important.
Fox is making an editorial decision to do that. They call Palin “Govenor Palin” every time.
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Achilles Tang Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:08:43pm |
re: #114 dragonfire1981
Question on Bolton: I notice Fox refers to him as Ambassador John Bolton even though he is a former ambassador. Does he get to keep his title or is Fox just calling him that to make him seem more important.
Presidents keep the titles for life too. Doctors, generals and others as well.
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recusancy Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:09:40pm |
re: #114 dragonfire1981
Question on Bolton: I notice Fox refers to him as Ambassador John Bolton even though he is a former ambassador. Does he get to keep his title or is Fox just calling him that to make him seem more important.
And he was only a recess appointment. He was never confirmed.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:12:44pm |
Fiscal Conservatism is a joke….
GOP House Judiciary Committee Votes to Put ‘In God We Trust’ on All 9,000 Federal Buildings – What Will That Cost?
If Signs Cost $10,000 Each, That’s $90 Million in New Republican Spending
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recusancy Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:13:20pm |
Anybody associated with PNAC should be permanently disbarred from any influential Governmental position for life.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:14:27pm |
re: #123 Killgore Trout
Fiscal Conservatism is a joke…
GOP House Judiciary Committee Votes to Put ‘In God We Trust’ on All 9,000 Federal Buildings – What Will That Cost?
Their spending doesn’t worry me as much as their theofascism.
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Targetpractice Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:15:53pm |
re: #123 Killgore Trout
Fiscal Conservatism is a joke…
GOP House Judiciary Committee Votes to Put ‘In God We Trust’ on All 9,000 Federal Buildings – What Will That Cost?
As usual, they’re all for budget cuts…so long as they don’t directly affect them or their interests.
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albusteve Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:21:50pm |
re: #125 Sergey Romanov
Their spending doesn’t worry me as much as their theofascism.
stiffed again by the feds….these elected officials are nothing more than sleazy opportunists using the process to impose their will…and now they are coming for us, submit or else
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HappyWarrior Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:25:01pm |
re: #123 Killgore Trout
Fiscal Conservatism is a joke…
GOP House Judiciary Committee Votes to Put ‘In God We Trust’ on All 9,000 Federal Buildings – What Will That Cost?
I don’t get them. We don’t have the money to improve education and health care but we do for some silly trivial slogan on all federal buildings. This is just another example of the skewed priorities of the new Congress.
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Stanley Sea Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:28:00pm |
re: #123 Killgore Trout
Fiscal Conservatism is a joke…
GOP House Judiciary Committee Votes to Put ‘In God We Trust’ on All 9,000 Federal Buildings – What Will That Cost?
Nice list of what they have done!!!
* Botched their own swearing-in ceremony
* Read the Constitution out loud, leaving out the icky parts about slavery and accidentally skipping entire sections, requiring a hasty do-over
* Wasted time voting to defund health-care reform without bothering to mention the “replacement” law they promised in their “Repeal and replace” campaign slogan
* Despite repeatedly claiming, “We’re broke, we’re broke,” rammed through a $20 million subsidy for private religious schools in D.C.
* Wasted yet more of the taxpayers’ time passing a budget that the president would never sign, in part, because it would have killed between 700,000 and 1 million jobs and arbitrarily cut $61 billion from programs without regard to their effectiveness — ordering, for example, draconian cuts to the Poison Control Centers, Centers for Disease Control, National Institutes of Health, Environmental Protection Agency, tsunami warning systems, job training programs and even the IRS, the primary government bureau that brings in revenue
* After drastically reducing IRS funding, debated putting the IRS in charge of investigating abortions — a measure that has 221 co-sponsors
* Defunded NPR because of yet another deceptively edited “punk’d” video by federal felon James O’Keefe
* Killed the U.S. Capitol’s composting program
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albusteve Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:29:09pm |
After drastically reducing IRS funding, debated putting the IRS in charge of investigating abortions — a measure that has 221 co-sponsors
what the fuck is this?
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calochortus Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:29:18pm |
re: #123 Killgore Trout
But it’s worth it-if you hit on the right magical spell, the gods, the spirits God will favor our nation.
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:30:11pm |
re: #123 Killgore Trout
Fiscal Conservatism is a joke…
GOP House Judiciary Committee Votes to Put ‘In God We Trust’ on All 9,000 Federal Buildings – What Will That Cost?
They’ll save money by adding in a rider removing all lightning rods and fire suppression systems from the buildings at the same time. That’s because “Trust in Allah, and tie your camel” is a Muslim saying…
/
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Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:33:11pm |
re: #130 albusteve
That was from a week or two ago. They want to eliminate tax deductions for healthcare expenses for people who’ve had abortions or who buy insurance that covers abortion.
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Linden Arden Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:34:24pm |
One World Government!
Damien, why do you hate us Palin ‘Real’ Americans who fight you and your Rottweiler-loving Satanical nanny?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:34:43pm |
Uncle Ted….
Nugent: “No Country” In “Dark Continent” Of Africa “Truly Respects Freedom Or The Rule Of Law”
In a March 22 Washington Times op-ed, Ted Nugent claimed America should not intervene in the “Dark Continent” of Africa because no country there “truly respects freedom or the rule of law.” Nugent claimed, “Once we swat one of these African cockroaches or intervene in their civil war, where do we stop?”
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:35:53pm |
re: #135 Killgore Trout
Uncle Ted…
Nugent: “No Country” In “Dark Continent” Of Africa “Truly Respects Freedom Or The Rule Of Law”
Ted’s afraid of the Great White Cape Buffalo. Knows that if he put an arrow (or two) in one it would stomp him into a paste.
/
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albusteve Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:35:55pm |
re: #133 Killgore Trout
That was from a week or two ago. They want to eliminate tax deductions for healthcare expenses for people who’ve had abortions or who buy insurance that covers abortion.
jesus…the IRS
my worst enemy
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Stanley Sea Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:36:22pm |
re: #135 Killgore Trout
Uncle Ted…
Nugent: “No Country” In “Dark Continent” Of Africa “Truly Respects Freedom Or The Rule Of Law”
Africa is an international scab.
Oh my.
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Walking Spanish Down the Hall Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:37:48pm |
re: #6 Romantic Heretic
Isn’t the Army kind of busy in Iraq and Afghanistan? So what are you going to use, John?
Villagers with pitchforks, oil torches and sharp pointy sticks.
Maybe that should be village idiots…
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Targetpractice Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:38:30pm |
re: #135 Killgore Trout
Uncle Ted…
Nugent: “No Country” In “Dark Continent” Of Africa “Truly Respects Freedom Or The Rule Of Law”
Where as we, in a country that feels that letting Muslims build a community center within a “stone’s throw” away from Ground Zero is simply unthinkable and are willing to violate their rights to prevent them from doing so, truly respect freedom and the rule of law.
//
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wrenchwench Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:39:26pm |
re: #135 Killgore Trout
Uncle Ted…
Nugent: “No Country” In “Dark Continent” Of Africa “Truly Respects Freedom Or The Rule Of Law”
He can write? Oh, wait, he probably had someone do it for him.
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Slap Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:39:37pm |
re: #135 Killgore Trout
Uncle Ted…
Nugent: “No Country” In “Dark Continent” Of Africa “Truly Respects Freedom Or The Rule Of Law”
Used to be, I disagreed with the Nuge, but respected his forthrightness.
That was a long time ago.
Now, I disagree with him, and have absolutely no respect for his poorly-thought-out, hateful bile.
Good thing I was never a fan, or I’d be real disappointed right now.
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Walking Spanish Down the Hall Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:40:37pm |
re: #37 ralphieboy
Do not underestimate the power of hair.
Hah. Nonsense.
As they say;
Hair today, gone tomorrow.
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Slap Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:41:20pm |
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Charles Johnson Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:41:26pm |
re: #135 Killgore Trout
Uncle Ted…
Nugent: “No Country” In “Dark Continent” Of Africa “Truly Respects Freedom Or The Rule Of Law”
This is where I remind everyone that Ted Nugent has appeared on the white supremacist radio show “Political Cesspool.”
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Targetpractice Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:42:07pm |
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Slap Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:42:24pm |
re: #145 Charles
This is where I remind everyone that Ted Nugent has appeared on the white supremacist radio show “Political Cesspool.”
Don’t they have a naked pic of him in their studio already?
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Stanley Sea Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:42:42pm |
Dick Durbin Will See Your Muslim Radicalization Hearing and Raise You
By David Weigel
Just across the transom:
NOTICE OF SUBCOMMITTEE HEARING - The Senate Committee on the Judiciary, Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, Human Rights, and the Law has scheduled a hearing entitled “Protecting the Civil Rights of American Muslims” for Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 10:00 a.m. in Room 226 of the Dirksen Senate Office Building. Chairman Durbin to preside.
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Gus Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:43:28pm |
re: #135 Killgore Trout
Uncle Ted…
Nugent: “No Country” In “Dark Continent” Of Africa “Truly Respects Freedom Or The Rule Of Law”
Another chickenhawk who smeared himself with his own feces in order to avoid the draft.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:45:13pm |
re: #149 Gus 802
Another chickenhawk who smeared himself with his own feces in order to avoid the draft.
And the funny thing: the above is literally true.
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Gus Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:45:26pm |
re: #146 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
This is becoming a hairy situation.
Hair-um, scare-um!
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Gus Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:46:46pm |
re: #150 Sergey Romanov
And the funny thing: the above is literally true.
Yep. I remember back when he was popular. I saw him in Philly and flipped him the bird. There was something about him I didn’t like.
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Targetpractice Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:46:47pm |
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wrenchwench Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:47:12pm |
re: #148 Stanley Sea
Dick Durbin Will See Your Muslim Radicalization Hearing and Raise You
By David Weigel
I almost unfollowed a tweeter who retweeted Weigel retweeting Allahpundit. Still thinking about it….
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:49:33pm |
re: #6 Romantic Heretic
Isn’t the Army kind of busy in Iraq and Afghanistan? So what are you going to use, John?
People get so upset with empire analogies, so I’ve gone to the cat-lady analogy. One cat (or invaded nation) you can care for. Two cats (or invaded nations) you can care for. But eventually you have too damn many cats, and they burrow into the insulation of your house and raise litters of kittens, and eventually you’re found dead and half-eaten on the floor of your kitchen.
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Gus Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:49:36pm |
What the… it’s almost 4 already. Oops, forgot that I took a nap.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:50:07pm |
re: #9 HappyWarrior
Military action is something that should carefully be used and considered. Bolton if heaven forbid ever got elected president would use the military very irrationally.
Or not. It’s real easy to say you would deploy troops hither and yon when you have no power to deploy troops.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:50:21pm |
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Targetpractice Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:50:36pm |
re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist
People get so upset with empire analogies, so I’ve gone to the cat-lady analogy. One cat (or invaded nation) you can care for. Two cats (or invaded nations) you can care for. But eventually you have too damn many cats, and they burrow into the insulation of your house and raise litters of kittens, and eventually you’re found dead and half-eaten on the floor of your kitchen.
…are we talking cats or xenomorphs?
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Gus Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:52:02pm |
re: #159 SanFranciscoZionist
Wars don’t cost money, silly.
/
Lockheed and Raytheon provide their goods and services free or at a discount in times of war. Heck, everyone knows that much like health insurance companies, defense contractors barely make a profit.
:={
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Targetpractice Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:53:34pm |
re: #159 SanFranciscoZionist
Wars don’t cost money, silly.
/
Yeah, we just put it on the charge card. China’s giving us a good rate!
/
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:53:37pm |
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Achilles Tang Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:53:37pm |
Tweets aside. Isn’t all this stuff about “who de boss” regarding Libya getting embarrassing?
Firstly I don’t understand what Obama is trying to achieve. He is not going to pull out resources, so what is the point?
Is he trying to tell the others that they need to be adults and let their generals show their stuff for a change, or is he trying to cover his ass?
Either way, having this discussion in the middle of a war is asinine.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:55:54pm |
re: #14 sattv4u2
And on the other foot, Al Jazeera has Dennis Kucinich on right now telling Al Jazeeras viewers that us being “in” Libya is unconstitutional!
Are most Al-Jazeera viewers interested in US Constitutional law?
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wrenchwench Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:56:17pm |
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Gus Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:56:27pm |
re: #166 Naso Tang
Tweets aside. Isn’t all this stuff about “who de boss” regarding Libya getting embarrassing?
Firstly I don’t understand what Obama is trying to achieve. He is not going to pull out resources, so what is the point?
Is he trying to tell the others that they need to be adults and let their generals show their stuff for a change, or is he trying to cover his ass?
Either way, having this discussion in the middle of a war is asinine.
Having this discussion in the middle of a war during the Bush years was followed by claims of “treason” and “sedition”. Now, it’s SOP for the tighty righties.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:56:35pm |
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Slap Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:58:23pm |
re: #167 Gus 802
Would you like to
touchfeel my mustache?
….now is ze time on Sprockets vhen ve dance….!
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wrenchwench Tue, Mar 22, 2011 2:58:24pm |
re: #166 Naso Tang
Either way, having this discussion in the middle of a war is asinine.
If this is the “middle”, we have no problems.
I think it’s just the beginning.
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ProBosniaLiberal Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:00:27pm |
On topic (sort of), but how does the US rectify this wrong?
7:25pm Channel 4 News is reporting that six villagers in a field on the outskirts of Benghazi were shot and injured when a US helicopter landed to rescue a crew membr from the US fighter jet that crashed late on Monday.
It said the local Libyans who were injured in the rescue mission are currently in hospital and that one young boy is expected to have his leg amputated due to a bullet wound.
I would give these people and their families a fast route to citizenship and pay for the medical care of the young boy who lost his leg.
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quiet reader Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:00:35pm |
re: #174 wrenchwench
If this is the “middle”, we have no problems.
I think it’s just the beginning.
Are you sure it’s not the end of the beginning?
///
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:00:41pm |
re: #16 HappyWarrior
I tell you what angers me about chickenhawks like Bolton. It’s not so much that they refused to serve when they had the chance. It’s that they act like war is this simple and easy thing and act like the loss of life is not a big deal. That is what angers me about Bolton and I think what angered my grandfather, a Korean war veteran in the lead up to the Iraq War. He saw all these asses acting like that war would be easy and that no one would have to suffer for it and I think it angered him knowing that he had friends that died in combat.
In Lafayette, CA, not too far from where I live, there is a hill covered in white crosses, one for each of the U.S. servicemen and women who’ve died in Iraq. The guy who owns the land started it in 2006.
People objected to it, because they saw it as an anti-war thing. Zombie did a really nasty piece about it. You can wave all the flags you want, but if you actually acknowledge the price of a war, you get attacked.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:01:42pm |
re: #22 wrenchwench
Bolton should get his boots on and put ‘em on the ground in Bahrain, Yemen, Syria, Sudan, hey why not Gaza while we’re at it…
Now, my concern is that Bolton hasn’t considered that by going into Libya, we’re letting Bin Laden win. At least according to Sultan Knish.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:02:34pm |
re: #33 Jeff In Ohio
Do we really know who Obama is?
Does anyone ever really KNOW another human being?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:03:38pm |
re: #47 sagehen
Dennis Kucinich also says he’s had personal contact with alien spacecraft.
Maybe Al Jazeera’s viewers would like to hear about that.
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Gus Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:03:41pm |
re: #177 SanFranciscoZionist
In Lafayette, CA, not too far from where I live, there is a hill covered in white crosses, one for each of the U.S. servicemen and women who’ve died in Iraq. The guy who owns the land started it in 2006.
People objected to it, because they saw it as an anti-war thing. Zombie did a really nasty piece about it. You can wave all the flags you want, but if you actually acknowledge the price of a war, you get attacked.
I personally think that we should see all images of war uncensored. You rarely see the true consequences save for the occasional injured veteran.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:04:25pm |
re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist
Does anyone ever really KNOW another human being?
In my spare time I’m a Boltzmann brain. You’re all a figment of my imagination.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:07:30pm |
re: #181 Gus 802
I personally think that we should see all images of war uncensored. You rarely see the true consequences save for the occasional injured veteran.
I think there were some Civil War photos of the dead that horrified many at the time. As I said earlier, my big problem with people like Bolton and those who think like him is they see war as a quick thing and don’t realize the costs it has not just for the troops but also their families and not to mention the people in those areas attacked. My grandfather was still grateful after 50 some years of being discharged that he managed to come back home alive. People like Bolton don’t seem to get that.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:08:07pm |
re: #57 theheat
And some football teams are more exceptional than others. Why? Because their prayers are better.
It always defaults to the team that’s had the fewest abortions. And gay people.
Are there a lot of football players that have had abortions?
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wrenchwench Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:09:08pm |
re: #181 Gus 802
I personally think that we should see all images of war uncensored. You rarely see the true consequences save for the occasional injured veteran.
I don’t know… Coverage of the war in Viet Nam during dinner doesn’t seem to have had any deterrent effect.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:11:08pm |
re: #167 Gus 802
Would you like to
touchfeel my mustache?
Mr. Bolton, how come you’re featured at this naughty page?
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Gus Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:11:15pm |
re: #183 HappyWarrior
I think there were some Civil War photos of the dead that horrified many at the time. As I said earlier, my big problem with people like Bolton and those who think like him is they see war as a quick thing and don’t realize the costs it has not just for the troops but also their families and not to mention the people in those areas attacked. My grandfather was still grateful after 50 some years of being discharged that he managed to come back home alive. People like Bolton don’t seem to get that.
There’s a myth about war veterans. That they’re all gung ho and ready to fight in ANY war. Perhaps this is true of the current crop of white male post-911 Republican recruits but it’s not true overall. You know Dick Winter from the 101st, Easy Company, who was called back to “serve” in Korea. As is typical the US Army pulled the usual hurry up and wait routine but in the end he had enough service to avoid serving in Korea. His answer to that call was a resounding NO to go back to war and go to Korea.
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allegro Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:12:11pm |
re: #185 wrenchwench
I don’t know… Coverage of the war in Viet Nam during dinner doesn’t seem to have had any deterrent effect.
I was that dinner time televised coverage that resulted in the outrage, riots, and ultimately getting us out of Viet Nam.
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Gus Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:14:01pm |
re: #185 wrenchwench
I don’t know… Coverage of the war in Viet Nam during dinner doesn’t seem to have had any deterrent effect.
Yeah, but it was censored.
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wrenchwench Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:14:11pm |
re: #188 allegro
I was that dinner time televised coverage that resulted in the outrage, riots, and ultimately getting us out of Viet Nam.
Oh, yeah, that.
But it didn’t keep us from doing it again…
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HappyWarrior Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:15:01pm |
re: #187 Gus 802
There’s a myth about war veterans. That they’re all gung ho and ready to fight in ANY war. Perhaps this is true of the current crop of white male post-911 Republican recruits but it’s not true overall. You know Dick Winter from the 101st, Easy Company, who was called back to “serve” in Korea. As is typical the US Army pulled the usual hurry up and wait routine but in the end he had enough service to avoid serving in Korea. His answer to that call was a resounding NO to go back to war and go to Korea.
We discussed the Korean war in my Chinese history class late last semester, at the end of class I had some one on one time with the professor and I talked about my grandfather and how happy he was that Truman had fired MacArthur. My professor was puzzled by this. Since the usual narrative is that the American soldiers in Korea were furious that Truman had fired MacArthur but that’s one thing that my grandfather always admired Truman for. He did not want to go in to what he felt would be a terrible war with China because of MacArthur’s ego. He also told me that his officers thought he had a great chance to be a career officer because of his skills but he declined. Knew that story about Major Winters, I can’t blame the man, he had gotten to know many men in Easy Company who lost their lives in the service of the country.
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Gus Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:15:11pm |
re: #189 Gus 802
Yeah, but it was censored.
Otherwise it’s the “John Wayne movie effect”. It’s like people get shot in war and they grab their heart and exclaim “they got me” and fall to the ground.
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allegro Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:15:22pm |
re: #190 wrenchwench
But it didn’t keep us from doing it again…
Well that has certainly been proven to be true. So much for paying attention to history and learning from it, huh.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:19:00pm |
There’s a great line in Flags of Our Fathers about my distant relative, Mike Strank, one of the Marines who raised the flag on Iwo Jima. It describes his death, one that even more sadly came from friendly fire, it describes his last moments and then adds “And the war went on.” I always tear up a little reading that passage since Mike was my grandmother’s distant cousin. This isn’t a video game like Call of Duty where when you die you get to restart nor do you get to save. It’s life and death. One of my favorite video game lines is from the first Metal Gear Solid, “War is ugly and there’s nothing glamarous about it.” I don’t think all wars are unnecessary but at the same time I want to be very careful on wars and not rush in to them.
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freetoken Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:19:44pm |
Another quake… in Fukushima prefecture. Mag 6.
Lots of scared people.
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Varek Raith Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:20:33pm |
re: #195 freetoken
Another quake… in Fukushima prefecture. Mag 6.
Lots of scared people.
I really hope these aren’t foreshocks to another major quake.
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freetoken Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:22:25pm |
re: #196 Varek Raith
It was very shallow.
Tohoku region is adjusting itself, downward and Eastward, after the great quake.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:23:08pm |
re: #187 Gus 802
There’s a myth about war veterans. That they’re all gung ho and ready to fight in ANY war. Perhaps this is true of the current crop of white male post-911 Republican recruits but it’s not true overall. You know Dick Winter from the 101st, Easy Company, who was called back to “serve” in Korea. As is typical the US Army pulled the usual hurry up and wait routine but in the end he had enough service to avoid serving in Korea. His answer to that call was a resounding NO to go back to war and go to Korea.
One thing that makes this generation different is that their war is lasting longer. I think soldiers have always wanted to go back into the field because the people they served with are still there.
But our current wars don’t come to an end.
Uriah said to David, “The ark and Israel and Judah are staying in tents, and my commander Joab and my lord’s men are camped in the open country. How could I go to my house to eat and drink and make love to my wife? As surely as you live, I will not do such a thing!”
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engineer cat Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:24:38pm |
Russia’s leaders disagree on Libya, Putin rebuked
“It allows everything and is reminiscent of a medieval call for a crusade,” Putin said Monday. “In fact, it allows intervention in a sovereign state.”
Hours later, Medvedev rebuked the prime minister: “We have to be absolutely accurate in our assessments. Under no circumstances is it acceptable to use expressions that essentially lead to a clash of civilizations such as crusades and so on.”
medvedev has balls! who knew?
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darthstar Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:26:22pm |
re: #199 engineer dog
Russia’s leaders disagree on Libya, Putin rebuked
medvedev has balls! who knew?
Medvedev HAD balls. Putin just had them scrambled with eggs for his breakfast.
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Gus Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:26:55pm |
re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist
One thing that makes this generation different is that their war is lasting longer. I think soldiers have always wanted to go back into the field because the people they served with are still there.
But our current wars don’t come to an end.
Uriah said to David, “The ark and Israel and Judah are staying in tents, and my commander Joab and my lord’s men are camped in the open country. How could I go to my house to eat and drink and make love to my wife? As surely as you live, I will not do such a thing!”
Right. Which was like getting injured in the ETO and then “escaping” the hospital instead of going through the replacement depot only to return to your unit and friends. But in WWII you did your mission minimums and went home or were put behind the line. Even during Vietnam. Stop-loss has changed the dynamics.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:28:07pm |
Wow, John bolton giving advice! That’s what America really needs hahaha
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:30:13pm |
re: #201 Gus 802
Right. Which was like getting injured in the ETO and then “escaping” the hospital instead of going through the replacement depot only to return to your unit and friends. But in WWII you did your mission minimums and went home or were put behind the line. Even during Vietnam. Stop-loss has changed the dynamics.
Of course, Uriah’s devotion to his comrades promptly got him killed. Because David was a weasel.
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RadicalModerate Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:36:14pm |
Well, I have to give Bolton a bit of a backhanded compliment. It appears that his stuck-phonograph talking point has finally gotten a “bump” to unstick the needle.
Typically, when asked about his opinion on international events, his rote response:
Bomb Iran
Egypt peacefully removing a long-sitting dictator?
Bomb Iran!
Problems with North Korea?
Bomb Iran!
Pro-democracy demonstrations in Iran?
BOMB THEM.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:39:34pm |
re: #204 RadicalModerate
Well, I have to give Bolton a bit of a backhanded compliment. It appears that his stuck-phonograph talking point has finally gotten a “bump” to unstick the needle.
Typically, when asked about his opinion on international events, his rote response:
Egypt peacefully removing a long-sitting dictator?
Bomb Iran!Problems with North Korea?
Bomb Iran!Pro-democracy demonstrations in Iran?
BOMB THEM.
“Madame, this man is dead. Giving him an enema, as you keep recommending, won’t help.”
“It couldn’t hurt.”
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:39:36pm |
re: #204 RadicalModerate
Well, I have to give Bolton a bit of a backhanded compliment. It appears that his stuck-phonograph talking point has finally gotten a “bump” to unstick the needle.
Typically, when asked about his opinion on international events, his rote response:
Egypt peacefully removing a long-sitting dictator?
Bomb Iran!Problems with North Korea?
Bomb Iran!Pro-democracy demonstrations in Iran?
BOMB THEM.
What a tachebag.
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Gus Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:42:44pm |
re: #204 RadicalModerate
Well, I have to give Bolton a bit of a backhanded compliment. It appears that his stuck-phonograph talking point has finally gotten a “bump” to unstick the needle.
Typically, when asked about his opinion on international events, his rote response:
Egypt peacefully removing a long-sitting dictator?
Bomb Iran!Problems with North Korea?
Bomb Iran!Pro-democracy demonstrations in Iran?
BOMB THEM.
Bolton is like a cartoon character.
But the sad part is that he was: 25th United States Ambassador to the United Nations, Under Secretary for Arms Control and International Security, and Assistant Secretary of State for International Organization Affairs. He didn’t last long at the UN. If I remember correctly he was a pain in the ass to work with.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Mar 22, 2011 4:01:57pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 22, 2011 6:30:07pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Mar 22, 2011 6:34:20pm |
re: #209 Sergey Romanov
I have thrown down the gauntlet in that thread, nobody will beat me
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Achilles Tang Tue, Mar 22, 2011 6:42:45pm |
re: #175 ProLifeLiberal
On topic (sort of), but how does the US rectify this wrong?
I would give these people and their families a fast route to citizenship and pay for the medical care of the young boy who lost his leg.
I would be careful about taking these kinds of reports at face value so quickly.
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