American Family Association’s Bryan Fischer: Deny First Amendment Rights to Muslims

Influential religious right spokesman wants to strip Muslims of rights
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The American Family Association’s Bryan Fischer is not just a raving nut on the fringe; he consorts with Republicans at the top tier of political power. GOP presidential hopefuls Tim Pawlenty and Mike Huckabee have appeared on his web show. Newt Gingrich channels large amounts of money through Fischer’s organization to suppress gay rights.

And yesterday this hate-filled fundamentalist freak came right out and advocated denying First Amendment rights to all Muslims, because, he says, the founding fathers never intended the First Amendment to protect the religion of Islam.

This is really bad craziness. On toast.

Islam has no fundamental First Amendment claims, for the simple reason that it was not written to protect the religion of Islam. Islam is entitled only to the religious liberty we extend to it out of courtesy. While there certainly ought to be a presumption of religious liberty for non-Christian religious traditions in America, the Founders were not writing a suicide pact when they wrote the First Amendment.

Our government has no obligation to allow a treasonous ideology to receive special protections in America, but this is exactly what the Democrats are trying to do right now with Islam.

From a constitutional point of view, Muslims have no First Amendment right to build mosques in America. They have that privilege at the moment, but it is a privilege that can be revoked if, as is in fact the case, Islam is a totalitarian ideology dedicated to the destruction of the United States. The Constitution, it bears repeating, is not a suicide pact. For Muslims, patriotism is not the last refuge of a scoundrel, but the First Amendment is.

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95 comments
1 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:28:30am

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

2 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:29:04am

So we should deny American Muslims the First Amendment because of something some middle eastern ones did but the Co$ that's just jim dandy?

3 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:29:18am
From a constitutional point of view, Muslims have no First Amendment right to build mosques in America. They have that privilege at the moment, but it is a privilege that can be revoked if, as is in fact the case, Islam is a totalitarian ideology dedicated to the destruction of the United States.


We can thank Geert Wilders for introducing that loophole in the debate about religious freedom in this country.

4 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:29:36am

Catholics were a distinct minority at the time. So were Jews.

If the First Ammendment only applies to WASPs, they would have said so.

If it didn't apply to Quakers, Catholics, Jews, etc, they would have said so. The last time I checked, the First Ammendment applies to adult humanoids. (Your parents have the right to tell you to shut up.)

Idiot.

5 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:30:17am

What could be more unAmerican than denying an unpopular religious group the right to practice peacefully? Shit, I'll be honest. I don't like Christian Fundamentalism much but I am sympathetic to the fact that at one point in history they were heavily persecuted for being religious outsiders. Bryan Fischer wants us to return to the world that many of our ancestors escaped to come here where one could practice their religion in peace without fear of suppression.

6 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:30:25am

I'll just repeat what I said earlier about this:

So let's review. What have we learned?

We've learned that the first amendment was created to protect Christianity, and that religious liberty is a 'suicide pact'. We've also learned that Muslims have no first amendment right to build mosques; apparently, freedom of assembly is also something that the founding fathers intended us to allow as a courtesy.

We've also learned that Fischer is an ignorant, arrogrant, theocratic douchebag.

7 efuseakay  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:30:52am

Boy, I can't wait to see the reactions from these douchebags when Obama is re-elected by a landslide.

8 Kragar  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:31:33am

By that logic,

"Christianity has no fundamental First Amendment claims, for the simple reason that it was not written to protect the religion of Christianity."

9 Gus  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:31:59am

Bryan Fischer is welcome with open arms by the Republican Party.

10 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:32:09am

You know, it's a good thing that free speech is considered inalieable.

Or Fischer could be told to shut up on account of being insufficiently evolved.

Would that just chap his hide.

11 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:32:29am

This is a person who thinks that a religion and its Sacred Scriptures are to be taken literally and in their entirety, to be practiced mercilessly and to their extremes at all times and in all places.

This is how he practices his Christianity and he expects the same of Islam.

I think that is the root short-circuit behind this sort of toastered thinking.

12 jamesfirecat  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:33:35am

re: #8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

By that logic,

"Christianity has no fundamental First Amendment claims, for the simple reason that it was not written to protect the religion of Christianity."

///But.... but... but... the founding fathers who wrote it were all god fearing Christians so of course they meant for it to do just that!

13 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:34:31am

re: #9 Gus 802

Bryan Fischer is welcome with open arms by the Republican Party.

Absolutely - this is a very important point. Fischer's disgusting views are simply a slightly more open expression of the GOP's positions.

14 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:36:44am

I can't wait for the Rapture to happen already so we will all be rid of these asshats.

15 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:37:20am

re: #4 EmmmieG

Washington's letter to Touro:

Gentlemen,

While I receive, with much satisfaction, your Address replete with expressions of affection and esteem; I rejoice in the opportunity of assuring you, that I shall always retain a grateful remembrance of the cordial welcome I experienced in my visit to Newport, from all classes of Citizens.

The reflection on the days of difficulty and danger which are past is rendered the more sweet, from a consciousness that they are succeeded by days of uncommon prosperity and security. If we have wisdom to make the best use of the advantages with which we are now favored, we cannot fail, under the just administration of a good Government, to become a great and happy people.

The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent national gifts. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.

It would be inconsistent with the frankness of my character not to avow that I am pleased with your favorable opinion of my Administration, and fervent wishes for my felicity. May the children of the Stock of Abraham, who dwell in this land, continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other Inhabitants; while every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, and there shall be none to make him afraid. May the father of all mercies scatter light and not darkness in our paths, and make us all in our several vocations useful here, and in his own due time and way everlastingly happy.

G. Washington

They don't make leaders like that anymore..... /wistful

16 NervyNews  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:37:30am

OT: today is the "Dawning of the Jordanian Revolution" just like that, another Arab country begins to fall. Developing...

17 Kragar  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:38:37am

re: #14 Alouette

I can't wait for the Rapture to happen already so we will all be rid of these asshats.

Or they wake up May 22nd and realize how full of shit they've been and all chill the fuck out.

18 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:39:02am

re: #15 lawhawk

Washington's letter to Touro:

They don't make leaders like that anymore... /wistful

Just a minor quibble: it was called the Newport Hebrew Congregation. Judah Touro lived in the 1840's.

19 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:39:20am

re: #15 lawhawk

Washington's letter to Touro:


They don't make leaders like that anymore... /wistful

But....but...Washington must agree with Fischer. That's the purpose of the Founding Fathers. To validate your arguments.

20 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:40:08am

re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Or they wake up May 22nd and realize how full of shit they've been and all chill the fuck out.

Is that when it's supposed to happen?

21 Girth  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:40:20am

I can't wait until the landmark case Satan v. Muhammed gets to the Supreme Court. The heads, they will asplode!

22 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:40:26am

Religious freedom and with it the freedom not to be religious is one of the most wonderful freedoms I can think of. Think about why so many were drawn to the promise of this country in the first place. As I mentioned last night, I just got done reading a book of short stories about Russian Jewish immigrants and there's a powerful moment when the village in Russia is reading the letter from the son who has gone to America where it says "In America there is no Czar." And the whole crowd of villagers from the very old to young say "no Czar" realizing that in America that they can be Jews without fear of the Czar's mistreatment because of their religion.

23 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:41:52am

Unfortunately, this scum-bag calls Idaho home.

Bryan Fischer

24 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:42:13am

We have to tolerate Jews because they if they had not crucified Our Savior, he would not have been resurrected and we would have no Christianity.

But Islam is completely and totally beyond the pale.

/

25 Simply Sarah  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:42:43am

I'm not really sure what the point of a written constitution is if people are just going to up and decide the plain language, contemporary history, and, uh, clear intention of parts simply doesn't matter because they've decided they don't like it.

26 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:43:36am

re: #22 HappyWarrior

there's a powerful moment when the village in Russia is reading the letter from the son who has gone to America where it says "In America there is no Czar."

In Soviet Union, is also no Czar.

27 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:43:42am

re: #18 Alouette

The congregation called itself the Hebrew Congregation of Newport, but Isaac Touro was the driving force in getting the shul built in 1763

[Link: www.tourosynagogue.org...]

28 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:44:19am

Charles and Gus are absolutely right though. GOP presidential candidates have pandered to this asshole. He's not some random loon with a radio show. He's someone who speaks at conservative political summits and is taken seriously enough for them to appear on his radio show. He's a theocratic fascist, it's that simple.

29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:45:40am

re: #1 ralphieboy

Ding whore.

30 Kragar  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:46:28am

re: #20 Alouette

Is that when it's supposed to happen?

Judgment Day!
May 21, 2011


TIMING OF IMPORTANT EVENTS IN HISTORY
11,013 BC—Creation. God created the world and man (Adam and Eve).

4990 BC—The flood of Noah’s day. All perished in a worldwide flood. Only Noah, his wife, and his 3 sons and their wives survived in the ark (6023 years from creation).

7 BC—The year Jesus Christ was born (11,006 years from creation).

33 AD—The year Jesus Christ was crucified and the church age began (11,045 years from creation; 5023 calendar years from the flood).

1988 AD—This year ended the church age and began the great tribulation period of 23 years (13,000 years from creation).

1994 AD—On September 7th, the first 2300-day period of the great tribulation came to an end and the latter rain began, commencing God’s plan to save a great multitude of people outside of the churches (13,006 years from creation).

2011 AD—On May 21st, Judgment Day will begin and the rapture (the taking up into heaven of God’s elect people) will occur at the end of the 23-year great tribulation. On October 21st, the world will be destroyed by fire (7000 years from the flood; 13,023 years from creation).

31 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:47:27am

Mmmm, toast.

32 Girth  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:47:38am

re: #22 HappyWarrior

Religious freedom and with it the freedom not to be religious is one of the most wonderful freedoms I can think of.

Well you got the first part right, now what brand of Christianity can we put you in today? What's that one in the back? Oh, that's Catholicism. Yes you can certainly go that way if you like, but it's pretty old, and wouldn't you rather have one of these nice shiny Protestant models?

33 Kragar  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:49:14am

re: #32 Girth

Religious freedom and with it the freedom not to be religious is one of the most wonderful freedoms I can think of.

Well you got the first part right, now what brand of Christianity can we put you in today? What's that one in the back? Oh, that's Catholicism. Yes you can certainly go that way if you like, but it's pretty old, and wouldn't you rather have one of these nice shiny Protestant models?

Anything sportier?

34 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:50:07am

re: #32 Girth

Religious freedom and with it the freedom not to be religious is one of the most wonderful freedoms I can think of.

Well you got the first part right, now what brand of Christianity can we put you in today? What's that one in the back? Oh, that's Catholicism. Yes you can certainly go that way if you like, but it's pretty old, and wouldn't you rather have one of these nice shiny Protestant models?

I thought the "Miscellaneous" bucket in Christianity was the Unitarian Universalists.

35 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:50:49am

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Judgment Day!
May 21, 2011

But then what happens on December something 2012?

(My daughter is just waiting for that date as the date just before a whole bunch of kids get suspended for skipping class.)

36 Girth  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:50:59am

re: #33 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Anything sportier?

There's a $cientology dealer down the road, but it's WAY out of your price range.

37 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:51:18am

re: #29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

sometimes you catch a fresh thread and get dings for stating the obvious.

38 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:51:46am

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Judgment Day!
May 21, 2011

What method did they use to calculate those dates and what significant events ushered in the "Great Tribulation"?

39 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:53:05am

I didn't know that those who founded Islam could see that far into the future and know the U.S. existed so they founded the religion to foment our destruction. What an amazing conspiracy and feat of psychic ability.

//

40 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:54:00am
41 Simply Sarah  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:54:23am

re: #38 Alouette

What method did they use to calculate those dates and what significant events ushered in the "Great Tribulation"?

I'm pretty sure the 'events' entirely consist of "Being the date that we somehow calculated/pulled out of our ass as being when it started, based on our rather tortured reading of the Bible".

42 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:55:15am

re: #38 Alouette

What method did they use to calculate those dates and what significant events ushered in the "Great Tribulation"?

Hustler Magazine vs Falwell, of course.

43 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:55:48am

re: #1 ralphieboy

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

Does Mr. Fischer have a list of religions the First Amendment DOES apply to?

44 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:55:56am

re: #40 Dreggas

John Stossel: If only we could be treated as good as...Native Americans.

made the US
Could Stossel be anymore of a self righteous douchebag? We wouldn't need the BIA as much if we had goddamned treated the Indians like fellow human beings rather than seeing them as primative savages who needed to find Christ.

45 SmithCommaJohn  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:56:40am

That's funny, because Thomas Jefferson specifically mentioned Muslims in a few of his correspondences where he fleshes out his views on religious freedom.

And here's a spoiler: he didn't advocate making any exceptions.

46 treasured people  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:56:45am

re: #15 lawhawk

Washington's letter to Touro:

They don't make leaders like that anymore... /wistful

That's because, among other explanations for his highly ethical conduct, Washington read the Bible, as he quotes, in the letter you attach, from the prophet Micah: "while every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, and there shall be none to make him afraid."

Lincoln also read the Bible throughout his life and frequently quoted from it in his speeches. I'm not saying the President should be an evangelist, but Bible knowledge and appreciation are part of American tradition and America's two greatest Presidents were Biblically astute.

47 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:57:41am

re: #14 Alouette

I can't wait for the Rapture to happen already so we will all be rid of these asshats.

The problem is, if the Rapture happens, I have grave doubts that the asshats will be the ones leaving.

48 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:58:10am

re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist

The problem is, if the Rapture happens, I have grave doubts that the asshats will be the ones leaving.

Can the rapture happen to you if you don't believe in it?

49 SmithCommaJohn  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:58:28am

"Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting 'Jesus Christ,' so that it would read 'A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;' the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan [Muslim], the Hindoo (sic) and Infidel of every denomination."

-Thomas Jefferson

50 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:58:42am

re: #46 treasured people

So is actively hating large portions of the bible and rewriting it substantially, though.

One of our greatest presidents did that, too.

51 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:59:02am

re: #49 SmithCommaJohn

"Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting 'Jesus Christ,' so that it would read 'A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;' the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan [Muslim], the Hindoo (sic) and Infidel of every denomination."

-Thomas Jefferson

But what about Heretics? He didn't mention Heretics.

52 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 10:59:34am

re: #15 lawhawk

Washington's letter to Touro:

They don't make leaders like that anymore... /wistful

"If they are good workmen, they may be of Asia, Africa or Europe. They may be Mohammedans, Jews or Christians of any sect, or they may be atheists."

That Washington...what a bleeding-heart liberal.

53 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:00:17am

re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist

The only Rapture I think I'll be participating in:

54 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:01:50am

re: #40 Dreggas

John Stossel: If only we could be treated as good as...Native Americans.

"No group in America has been more helped by the government than the American Indians."

I actually can't come up with a snarky response to this. My snark synapses have all burned out.

55 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:03:14am

re: #48 EmmmieG

Can the rapture happen to you if you don't believe in it?

No idea, but there must be nice people who believe in it.

56 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:03:16am

re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist

"No group in America has been more helped by the government than the American Indians."

I actually can't come up with a snarky response to this. My snark synapses have all burned out.

*headdesk*

57 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:03:16am

re: #44 HappyWarrior

made the US
Could Stossel be anymore of a self righteous douchebag? We wouldn't need the BIA as much if we had goddamned treated the Indians like fellow human beings rather than seeing them as primative savages who needed to find Christ.

Remember James Watt's famous quote about the "failure of socialism"?

That spirit is alive and well today.

58 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:03:22am

re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist

"No group in America has been more helped by the government than the American Indians."

I actually can't come up with a snarky response to this. My snark synapses have all burned out.

same here. I just face-palmed

59 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:04:07am

re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist

Here... lemme help:

The US has helped the Native Americans by pushing them into reservations and stolen their lands and refused to return lands promised to them under the Treaty of Laramie (including the Black Hills on which Mt. Rushmore sits).

/Yeah, real helpful.

60 SmithCommaJohn  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:04:13am

So the real question is this: why does Thomas Jefferson hate America so much?

61 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:04:31am

The thing I remember most about Monticello was in big letters how he champions religious liberty for all. Fischer wants to act like the Founders were like him on religion. Some of the founders were religious men certainly the majority of them religious or not agreed on the importance of religious freedom. Heck, many of the religious ones were the ones who valued it the most since they knew what their ancestors or they themselves had fled to get here. That's a large reason why I myself champion religious freedom. I know what many of my ancestors who were of either a minority or oppressed religion in their native lands went through.

62 Kragar  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:04:31am

re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist

The problem is, if the Rapture happens, I have grave doubts that the asshats will be the ones leaving.

"I'm very sorry sir, but you distinctly stated that you would no longer be in residence after May 21st. We don't care where you go but you can't stay here."

63 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:04:56am

re: #49 SmithCommaJohn

"Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting 'Jesus Christ,' so that it would read 'A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;' the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan [Muslim], the Hindoo (sic) and Infidel of every denomination."

-Thomas Jefferson

Well, yeeees, but that's not in the CONSTITUTION, so it doesn't count.

///

64 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:04:58am

Please, have somebody come up and take away 99% of everything John Stossel owns and explain how well he is being treated in that we let him keep the remaining 1%...

65 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:05:41am

re: #64 ralphieboy

Please, have somebody come up and take away 99% of everything John Stossel owns and explain how well he is being treated in that we let him keep the remaining 1%...

MAybe if we give him a casino and a small pox blanket he'll feel better.

66 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:05:43am

re: #50 Obdicut

So is actively hating large portions of the bible and rewriting it substantially, though.

One of our greatest presidents did that, too.

He just edited. With a razor blade.

67 Kragar  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:06:22am

re: #65 HappyWarrior

MAybe if we give him a casino and a small pox blanket he'll feel better.

And turquoise?

68 Lidane  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:06:26am

re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Or they wake up May 22nd and realize how full of shit they've been and all chill the fuck out.

Until the next douchebag fundie preacher convinces them all that the last End Times predictions were flawed for X, Y, and Z reasons and that the world will now end on January 31, 2073. =P

69 makeitstop  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:07:46am

re: #46 treasured people

That's because, among other explanations for his highly ethical conduct, Washington read the Bible, as he quotes, in the letter you attach, from the prophet Micah: "while every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, and there shall be none to make him afraid."

Lincoln also read the Bible throughout his life and frequently quoted from it in his speeches. I'm not saying the President should be an evangelist, but Bible knowledge and appreciation are part of American tradition and America's two greatest Presidents were Biblically astute.

Washington and Lincoln used bible quotes to underscore basic human truths.

Fischer uses them to advance a fundamentalist, hateful, ideologically rigid agenda.

70 SmithCommaJohn  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:08:10am

re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, yeees, but that's not in the CONSTITUTION, so it doesn't count.

///

Right. I forgot. If you want to interpret the constitution according to the original intent of the authors (a conservative axiom), you just have to assume that their original intent squares perfectly with the Tea Party talking points.

Looking at what the founders actually said about their intentions when writing the constitution is heresy. Or socialism. Or something bad.

71 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:08:54am

re: #62 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"I'm very sorry sir, but you distinctly stated that you would no longer be in residence after May 21st. We don't care where you go but you can't stay here."

My husband did tell me that some guy with a landscaping business sent a letter to his customers, explaining that he would no longer be available for work after May 21st.

If I were one of his customers, I think I might hold off on finding a new landscaper.

72 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:10:33am

Jeff In Ohio: Hello.

State Farm Claims: Is Mr. JIO there?

JIO: Speaking.

SFC: Yes sir, we wanted to call and let you know you have a green light on having your clothes washer and dish washer repaired.

JIO: Oh.

SFC: It looks like your deductible will just cover the repair. All other claims from here on will be a pay out.

JIO: Well, the deudctible won't cover the full repair, you will still need to reimburse me for having the repair person come out and give me an estimate.

SFC: Oh. Yes, I see that cost. $250?

JIO: Yes.

SFC: So we will go ahead and cut you a check now for $250.

JIO: That's nice. You realize of course, since you had the same information 2 weeks ago, that I could have just had them repaired when the repair person was here for the $500, but now your paying for the guy to come out 4 times - essentially the cost of the repair, due to the service call, is more then replacing the appliances.

SFC: Yes, that is about right.

JIO: sigh...wouldn't it have made more sense...never mind...

SFC: Is there anything else Mr. JIO?

JIO: Yes. Yesterday I faxed an amended personal property inventory with approximate original costs of damaged items included, have you received that yet?

SFC: Yes, I have it right here.

JIO: And?

SFC: I will have to input this data and send it on to the content group.

JIO: The what?

SFC: The Content Group...

JIO: What do they do?

SFC: They evaluate your estimations.

JIO: (laughing) Of course they do.

SFC: They will give you a call to discuss them.

JIO: When?

SFC: In a few days.

JIO: Sigh...this is not good.

SFC: Is there a problem?

JIO: Besides my daughters 13th birthday slumber party is on Saturday and we have neither a TV, DVD nor Wii? Besides being in the 21st century when all of this data could have been entered the day after the electrical surge on the Internet and the whole process distilled from 5 weeks to 2 days? Besides the sudden realization your not a claims adjuster, your a data entry person and along with data entry, your job seems to be stringing me along for know real reason? Besides any sane person could have told me to get my dishwasher and clothes washer fixed 3 weeks ago since it's going to be covered by the deductible anyway, and at the very least I could be avoiding the lumpenproletariat at laundromat and saving my youthful looking hands from a future of chaffing?

Besides all that? Nothings wrong. Not a goddamn thing. My asparagus is up. There's a towhee tossing leaves under the bird feeder and a nuthatch doing a walk down the trunk of the maple out my window. Yesterday was 70°, sunny, had a rainbow and it hailed 1/4" iceballs - all at the same time. It was the damn rapture, and you and I are left behind.

SFC:...um have a good day Mr. JIO.

JIO: Yeah. I'll try.

73 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:10:42am

re: #65 HappyWarrior

MAybe if we give him a casino and a small pox blanket he'll feel better.

I'm just going to make him walk from Georgia to Oklahoma.

74 Lidane  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:11:03am

re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist

My husband did tell me that some guy with a landscaping business sent a letter to his customers, explaining that he would no longer be available for work after May 21st.

If I were one of his customers, I think I might hold off on finding a new landscaper.

If I was one of his customers, I'd take him at his word and hire someone else to take over my landscaping. After all, he has to prepare for the Rapture. No need for him to waste his time coming to my house to do the lawn and trim the hedges. =P

75 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:11:15am

re: #69 makeitstop

Washington and Lincoln used bible quotes to underscore basic human truths.

Fischer uses them to advance a fundamentalist, hateful, ideologically rigid agenda.

The Devil can quote scripture...and so can Bryan Fischer.

76 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:12:45am

re: #73 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm just going to make him walk from Georgia to Oklahoma.

Ha that'd work. Seriously it's really annoying seeing people like Stossel complain about "special rights" minorities get. It's like they want to completely ignore the history of what's happened in the past.

77 Simply Sarah  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:14:29am

re: #76 HappyWarrior

Ha that'd work. Seriously it's really annoying seeing people like Stossel complain about "special rights" minorities get. It's like they want to completely ignore the history of what's happened in the past.

Where can I complain about the special rights he has in being able to be paid just to be an asshole?

78 Lidane  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:16:26am

re: #77 Simply Sarah

Where can I complain about the special rights he has in being able to be paid just to be an asshole?

Seriously. I'd love to know how you get that job.

79 NervyNews  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:16:31am

An Israeli man noticed the suspicious bag at the Jerusalem bus station yesterday, and so he got people to move away from the bag and as he made the call to police, it blew up - Video/Audio of phone call with translation from Hebrew after the jump HERE(Images are not very "grizzly")

80 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:17:24am
Our government has no obligation to allow a treasonous ideology to receive special protections in America,

This code GOP, saying that the government DOES have an obligation for Christian ideology to receive special protection (aka rights).

81 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:17:40am

This is code...

82 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:34:20am

re: #72 Jeff In Ohio

You're a braver man than I am, Gunga Din:
JIO: Besides my daughters 13th birthday slumber party is on Saturday and we have neither a TV, DVD nor Wii?

83 jea62  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:37:31am

Fischer would love to establish a Christian theocracy where gays and any people whose religion doesn't satisfy his perverse vision of Christianity is thrown in a gulag or executed.

How ironic that he fits the classic definition of a domestic terrorist. He's the Christian Hitler.

84 Kragar  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:41:21am

re: #83 jea62

Fischer would love to establish a Christian theocracy where gays and any people whose religion doesn't satisfy his perverse vision of Christianity is thrown in a gulag or executed.

How ironic that he fits the classic definition of a domestic terrorist. He's the Christian Hitler.

No one is Hitler except Hitler. Fischer is more of a Lord Haha at best.

85 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:42:58am

Now I know why the far right thinks that President Obama isn't following the Constitution. They don't understand it or know what's in it.

86 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:46:11am

re: #85 moderatelyradicalliberal

Now I know why the far right thinks that President Obama isn't following the Constitution. They don't understand it or know what's in it.

I wouldn't say that, they treat it the way they learned to read the bible, to mean whatever they wanted it to.

87 webevintage  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:51:25am

If the "founding fathers" were still alive one of them would have called Fisher out for a duel by now for impugning their honor.

88 I Am Kreniigh!  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:59:52am

Well good. It's nice to hear someone just come out and say it with no ambiguity. All the code words and dog whistles and hints and intimations are really annoying. Now everyone knows exactly where he stands and what kind of fascist he really is.

89 I Am Kreniigh!  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 12:01:47pm

re: #16 GNIDAthe#seCond

re: #16 GNIDAthe#seCond

OT: today is the "Dawning of the Jordanian Revolution" just like that, another Arab country begins to fall. Developing...

Hey, this is happening while Obama is president, so he gets all the credit, just like Reagan did for the Soviets. Right? Right?

90 leftynyc  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 12:04:08pm

re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist

"No group in America has been more helped by the government than the American Indians."

I actually can't come up with a snarky response to this. My snark synapses have all burned out.

I'm rarely rendered speechless but this moron has managed to accomplish that. Lemme guess - fox news contributor?

91 leftynyc  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 12:07:15pm

re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist

My husband did tell me that some guy with a landscaping business sent a letter to his customers, explaining that he would no longer be available for work after May 21st.

If I were one of his customers, I think I might hold off on finding a new landscaper.


I'd still find a new landscaper. I try and avoid the crazy and certainly don't want to be paying them.

92 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 12:08:56pm

re: #88 Kreniigh

Well good. It's nice to hear someone just come out and say it with no ambiguity. All the code words and dog whistles and hints and intimations are really annoying. Now everyone knows exactly where he stands and what kind of fascist he really is.

Yeah, I wish they would all stop talking in code and just be bigoted and proud. Maybe than our useless MSM and politicians would stop making excuses and giving them cover.

93 barflytom  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 12:35:15pm

re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist

"No group in America has been more helped by the government than the American Indians."

I actually can't come up with a snarky response to this. My snark synapses have all burned out.

You completely missed his point, which is that government "help" pretty much destroys people

[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Did you actually watch the clip, because it's very clear he's using the term "helped" rather sarcastically (or snarkily perhaps !)

94 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 3:22:54pm

re: #93 barflytom

You completely missed his point, which is that government "help" pretty much destroys people

[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Did you actually watch the clip, because it's very clear he's using the term "helped" rather sarcastically (or snarkily perhaps !)

Yes, it was having the government set up the BIA that did the Indians in. They could have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps after having their land taken.

Government help destroys people? Fuck that. If he wants to make such a moronic assertion, let him try to do it with a group that wasn't first nearly destroyed by the society around them.

Oh, wait. He can't. So fuck him.

95 barflytom  Thu, Mar 24, 2011 11:59:45pm

re: #94 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, it was having the government set up the BIA that did the Indians in. They could have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps after having their land taken.

Government help destroys people? Fuck that. If he wants to make such a moronic assertion, let him try to do it with a group that wasn't first nearly destroyed by the society around them.

Oh, wait. He can't. So fuck him.

Well, it was interesting reading your eloquent defence of government programmes to "help" people.

You still sound like you didn't bother to watch the rather short clip on Fox, which would make it obvious to anyone who wasn't afflicted with a head full of standard leftie ideas that he didn't mean that Indians had received and benefited from more help from the government than anyone else.

I said government help destroys people, not Stossel.

He makes a reference to the lack of individual property rights that comes from the federal gubmints recognition of tribal jurisdiction, which is just one example of how the policies of the BIA have been disastrous for the people they are supposed to be "helping".

Do you at least accept the point that he wasn't claiming that Indians had benefited from more government help than anyone else ?

I thought you would have heard of one of the favourite sayings among us right-wing barbarians, that the most terrifying words in the English language are "I'm from the Federal government and I'm here to help".


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