Jennifer Rubin: Bachmann's Not Kooky, Her Critics Are

Jennifer Rubin: Bachmann’s Not Kooky, Her Critics Are

Wailing while hysterically hyperventilating

PoliticsMarch 2011 • Views: 31,887

In her Washington Post blog, Jennifer Rubin has a strange take on Michele Bachmann’s presidential aspirations; she says Michele Bachmann isn’t the one sounding kooky. It’s all those other people who are really kooky, the ones who pointed out that her candidacy would be great news for Democrats.

But the reaction of the punditocracy is, well, hysterical. Republican guru Mike Murphy proclaims: “Bachmann 2012: Good for the Media, Bad for the GOP.” Blogger Charles Johnson wails, “This is great news for Democrats, of course, because let’s face it — Bachmann is one of the looniest of the loony Republicans. If she runs, she’ll do an excellent job of exposing the GOP for what they are: intolerant, reactionary, ignorant, fanatically religious, and possessed of more than a few loose screws.” While conservatives hyperventilated…

I “wailed” this post while hysterically hyperventilating? Actually, when I wrote it I imagined myself speaking in a very reasonable, slightly amused tone of voice, and I didn’t pass out afterwards.

(And Rubin seems to think I’m a “conservative,” which is also a hoot.)

In any case, I don’t know why I’d be “wailing” that Bachmann’s presidential run would be a godsend for Democrats; perhaps Rubin didn’t realize I see that as a good thing. By all means, let’s get every one of the crackpots and religious fanatics out there in full view of the voting public, because the Republican Party does not deserve to lead this country. It’s badly broken. Michele Bachmann is just one of the most obvious symptoms.

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157 comments

HappyWarrior Sat, Mar 26, 2011 12:12:11pm

Bachmann is like Dennis Kucinich only she has more influence in her party than he does.

bluecheese Sat, Mar 26, 2011 12:14:16pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Bachmann is like Dennis Kucinich

lol

recusancy Sat, Mar 26, 2011 12:16:16pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Bachmann is like Dennis Kucinich only she has more influence in her party than he does.

Who is Newt like? Who is Santorum like? Who is Barbor like? Who is Palin like? Who is T Paw like? Who is Huck like?

recusancy Sat, Mar 26, 2011 12:17:27pm

Angry white people on CSPAN right now.

elizajane Sat, Mar 26, 2011 12:18:42pm

For somebody with a high-profile perch at the Washington Post, Jennifer Rubin needs to spend more time doing her homework, and actually reading the blogs she purports to comment on.

Also, if she thinks that conservatives think that the GOP is “intolerant, reactionary, ignorant, fanatically religious, and possessed of more than a few loose screws,” then she’s a more interesting conservative than I’d realized!

Still, as I recall, her conclusion to that piece was that the conservatives should stop having fits about Bachmann because the GOP would never nominate anybody so out-there.
Never.
(Only for Vice President.)

HappyWarrior Sat, Mar 26, 2011 12:19:17pm

re: #3 recusancy

Who is Newt like? Who is Santorum like? Who is Barbor like? Who is Palin like? Who is T Paw like? Who is Huck like?

Ha, I don’t know. Kucinich came to mind because like Bachmann he’s a member of the house who thinks they could be elected president despite the fact they could never win statewide let alone nationally.

bluecheese Sat, Mar 26, 2011 12:20:12pm

re: #3 recusancy

Who is Newt like? Who is Santorum like? Who is Barbor like? Who is Palin like? Who is T Paw like? Who is Huck like?

I think happwarrior want to talk about dennis, not all them people.

lol

KingKenrod Sat, Mar 26, 2011 12:21:38pm

I’d like to know what Rubin bases this statement on:

The campaign-toughened Republicans understand presidential primary voters are a reasonable lot, and — at least outside of Iowa — are unlikely to risk the White House on a fire-breathing presidential nominee.

Lately all I’ve seen from GOP primary voters are lemming impressions.

jaunte Sat, Mar 26, 2011 12:21:47pm

So to conservatives my advice is simple: chill. Far better to worry about who could win rather than someone who surely won’t.

Sure. Everyone should just ignore the politicians who think they get their driving lessons directly from God, no matter what legislative effect they might be having on the state level.

Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 26, 2011 12:24:12pm

re: #9 jaunte

Sure. Everyone should just ignore the politicians who think they get their driving lessons directly from God, no matter what legislative effect they might be having on the state level.

Over the years I’ve learned to recognize many of the tactics used by partisans on both sides. This is the “calm down, it’s no big deal” diversionary tactic. It’s intended to embarrass you into looking elsewhere.

recusancy Sat, Mar 26, 2011 12:25:32pm

Birther’s on CSPAN

HappyWarrior Sat, Mar 26, 2011 12:27:04pm

Bachmann first came to my attention when she falsely blamed a tariff sponsored by two conservative Republicans and signed in to law by President Hoover on Democrats and President Roosevelt. She got the name wrong too. She called it “Hoot-Smalley when it was actually called Smoot-Hawley.

Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 26, 2011 12:29:05pm

She goes on to say….

More experienced conservative political operative reacted with eye-rolling today. Perhaps they, unlike much of the blogosphere, give Republican primary voters more credit. The campaign-toughened Republicans understand presidential primary voters are a reasonable lot, and — at least outside of Iowa — are unlikely to risk the White House on a fire-breathing presidential nominee.
So to conservatives my advice is simple: chill. Far better to worry about who could win rather than someone who surely won’t.

Let’s go to the polls:
Huckabee Has Slight Edge, Palin Down, in GOP ‘12 Preferences
lol! That’s a pretty bleak top 10. The only viable candidates are Mitt and Huntsman. I can’t imagine that Huntsman could come up with anything close to something resembling a Republican platform. Mitt will try but it’s going to be tough to sell considering he’s the architect of the dreaded healthcare reform. Good luck with that.

Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 26, 2011 12:31:09pm

Suggested campaign slogan: I ♥ Huckabee

Targetpractice Sat, Mar 26, 2011 12:31:32pm

re: #10 Charles

Over the years I’ve learned to recognize many of the tactics used by partisans on both sides. This is the “calm down, it’s no big deal” diversionary tactic. It’s intended to embarrass you into looking elsewhere.

The “stop focusing on the loonies and look over there, we’ve got some ‘reasonable’ candidates too!” tactic they’ve been using for years, which is now failing in the face of the rising levels of lunacy in the party ranks. They can’t shove the crazy back in the closet, not when it’s waving its banner high and saying that anybody not onboard will be shoved out of office via primary challenges.

Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 26, 2011 12:32:52pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

Huntsman has already made powerful right wing enemies by not being anti-abortion enough. Romney too. Both of them are way out of the mainstream GOP.

I’d be surprised to see either of them get very far.

Targetpractice Sat, Mar 26, 2011 12:33:31pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

She goes on to say…

Let’s go to the polls:
Huckabee Has Slight Edge, Palin Down, in GOP ‘12 Preferences
lol! That’s a pretty bleak top 10. The only viable candidates are Mitt and Huntsman. I can’t imagine that Huntsman could come up with anything close to something resembling a Republican platform. Mitt will try but it’s going to be tough to sell considering he’s the architect of the dreaded healthcare reform. Good luck with that.

It’s a false choice, because even if Romney or Huntsman make it out of the primaries in one piece, it will be because they went hard to the right to win over the “Tea Party” vote. Something they’re going to spend much of the general election walking back, if it’s even possible.

Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 26, 2011 12:36:25pm

re: #17 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It’s a false choice, because even if Romney or Huntsman make it out of the primaries in one piece, it will be because they went hard to the right to win over the “Tea Party” vote. Something they’re going to spend much of the general election walking back, if it’s even possible.

Agreed. It’s just not practical. Mitt’s going to have to flip flop like mad to explain his past positions. He’s going to look like an incoherent mess in the press and in the debates.

Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 26, 2011 12:42:40pm

We can cross Barbour off the list…
Haley Barbour: We Should ‘Proceed in National Policy as if Global Warming Is Actually Happening’
He’s sunk.

Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Mar 26, 2011 12:42:56pm

If the Repulicans failed to learn the lesson of nominating the likes of Sharron Angle, Christine O’Donnell and Dennis Miller, then they deserve the outcome if they run Michelle Bachmann.

HappyWarrior Sat, Mar 26, 2011 12:44:34pm

I want to say the nominee will be Huckabee but there’s a lot of economic conservatives who can’t stand the guy.

nines09 Sat, Mar 26, 2011 12:47:27pm

The more light that shines on this batch of dolts is better. Let’s see….”The campaign-toughened Republicans understand presidential primary voters are a reasonable lot, and — at least outside of Iowa — are unlikely to risk the White House on a fire-breathing presidential nominee.”
Right. Sure. You Bet Cha. She must be delusional? How about Creationist? Theocracy minded? Anti science? Revisionist? Nuts?

TedStriker Sat, Mar 26, 2011 12:48:27pm

re: #16 Charles

Huntsman has already made powerful right wing enemies by not being anti-abortion enough. Romney too. Both of them are way out of the mainstream GOP.

I’d be surprised to see either of them get very far.

Tru dat…they’d both do better running as Democrats or independents.

Ericus58 Sat, Mar 26, 2011 12:55:59pm

Gaza militant groups agree Israel ceasefire, says Hamas

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk…]

Blow it out your ass, Hamas.

FreedomMoon Sat, Mar 26, 2011 12:57:51pm

re: #16 Charles

Huntsman has already made powerful right wing enemies by not being anti-abortion enough. Romney too. Both of them are way out of the mainstream GOP.

I’d be surprised to see either of them get very far.

I think among the traditional republican base (i.e. RINOS), many are holding their collective breaths that the crazed, tea-party movement will kinda calm down over the next 2-6 years (for the 2012 and 2016 campaigns). I suspect when that happens Huntsman will become a very palatable and hopeful prospect.

austin_blue Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:04:27pm

Ahem..

La la la..

Ahem..

She… is the very model of a modern tea bag whacko job
She panders so relentlessly her brain must be a small doorknob
She lies and claims that they are facts, is loved by every racist yob
She is the very model of the modern tea bag whacko job!

[bows]

[exits, stage left]

Targetpractice Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:05:24pm

re: #24 Ericus58

Gaza militant groups agree Israel ceasefire, says Hamas

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk…]

Blow it out your ass, Hamas.

Fire a few rockets over, then when Israel lights your ass up, begin begging for a “ceasefire.” Sad thing is, Israel will likely once again agree to it, things will go quiet for a bit, then when Hamas has refortified their position, it’ll happen all over again.

Stanghazi Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:05:57pm

Gotta jet, here’s your dose of Go Gators!!!

Targetpractice Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:07:08pm

re: #25 tacuba14

I think among the traditional republican base (i.e. RINOS), many are holding their collective breaths that the crazed, tea-party movement will kinda calm down over the next 2-6 years (for the 2012 and 2016 campaigns). I suspect when that happens Huntsman will become a very palatable and hopeful prospect.

But that only happens if he stays out of the next two election seasons. Jumping on a ship of fools is a good way to lock oneself out of presidential consideration permanently.

HoosierHoops Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:07:40pm

re: #28 Stanley Sea

Gotta jet, here’s your dose of Go Gators!!!

Go Butler!
/I think Florida will win…But still..Small Hoosier College!

prairiefire Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:08:34pm

re: #26 austin_blue

Ahem..

La la la..

Ahem..

She… is the very model of a modern tea bag whacko job
She panders so relentlessly her brain must be a small doorknob
She lies and claims that they are facts, is loved by every racist yob
She is the very model of the modern tea bag whacko job!

[bows]

[exits, stage left]

To the tune of Gilbert and Sullivan

darthstar Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:10:15pm

Don’t worry, Charles…I’m sure Robert Stacy McCain is crediting himself with your latest media exposure. And really, it’s ultimately all about him anyway.

blueraven Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:13:43pm

OT: It looks like the rebels in Libya are taking back territory that the Gaddafi forces had previously held.

GADDAFI RETREATS

Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:15:02pm

This is too much. Did the shrieking harpy do this on purpose? She posted another crazed paranoid article at her site and at Breitbart’s Big Government — with a glaring spelling error in the title. Yesterday. Hasn’t been corrected, and a search through the comments for both of those posts shows nobody noticed or remarked on it.

Maybe she was going for some kind of lame alliterative neologism? Too funny: PAMELA GELLER, BIG GOVERNMENT: DURBIN’S DEDITION AND DAWAH: LET THE PANDERING BEGIN.

darthstar Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:19:13pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Suggested campaign slogan: I ♥ Huckabee

Stupid, stupid, stupid fucking movie…but it does make for a catchy campaign slogan…

Eclectic Infidel Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:19:57pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Bachmann is like Dennis Kucinich only she has more influence in her party than he does.

Well not really. He actually makes sense, and he’s rational about it too.

Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:21:10pm

I notice, by the way, that the letter D is right next to S on the keyboard. Just like Birther/Nirther.

Charleston Chew Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:22:01pm

Can’t stand over-the-top verbs in media. My personal pet peeve is “blasts”.

darthstar Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:22:01pm

re: #34 Charles

I dan’t dedide if dhat wad indentional or a midtake.

Eclectic Infidel Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:22:13pm

re: #34 Charles

Maybe she was going for some kind of lame alliterative neologism? Too funny: PAMELA GELLER, BIG GOVERNMENT: DURBIN’S DEDITION AND DAWAH: LET THE PANDERING BEGIN.

from a commenter on the thread:

aprilnovember811 said…
Obama himself is a Muslim Brotherhood operative. He is the enemy within. If I were a Senator, I would not sit in the same room while this is going on. It is an insult to all who died on 9/11. Dick Durbin also knows Obama isn’t American Born. All of this could have been prevented had Congress, the Supreme Court, and Military had honored the oath they took to the Constitution and made this impostor produce his papers. Instead they believed the enemy within instead of the American People. Their children will not be spared the damage done. They will suffer also.

In any event, she should perhaps take a breather from the juice, drink some water, have some food that sticks to her ribs, maybe a couple cups of coffee, THEN make a blog post.

wrenchwench Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:23:01pm

re: #34 Charles

This is too much. Did the shrieking harpy do this on purpose? She posted another crazed paranoid article at her site and at Breitbart’s Big Government — with a glaring spelling error in the title. Yesterday. Hasn’t been corrected, and a search through the comments for both of those posts shows nobody noticed or remarked on it.

Maybe she was going for some kind of lame alliterative neologism? Too funny: PAMELA GELLER, BIG GOVERNMENT: DURBIN’S DEDITION AND DAWAH: LET THE PANDERING BEGIN.

OK, she meant sedition. The s and the d are right next to each other on the keyboard. That woman needs the heaviest of heavy-handed editors, and apparently she got—-Breitbart?

lostlakehiker Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:23:19pm

The post gives the impression that Jeniffer Rubin is saying that Michelle Bachmann doesn’t sound kooky. But Rubin wrote (emphasis mine):

One can speculate that with Sarah Palin increasingly unlikely to run, Bachmann is seizing an opportunity to become the top firebrand conservative woman. One can cynically say this will simply raise her speaking fees and profile, or one can imagine she might actually be convinced (however unmoored from reality) that an inexperienced congresswoman with a propensity for saying outlandish things could win the nomination. It’s not the first time an ambitious politician ran for a high office to build his or her resume.

We shall see when it comes time for nominations just how badly broken the Republican party is. True, Bachmannn’s unmoored from reality, with a propensity for saying outlandish things, and a firebreather. But the Republican Party is not Bachmann. Republican voters will decide whether she’s their cup of tea, or not. I’m betting, not.

darthstar Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:23:21pm

re: #37 Charles

I notice, by the way, that the letter D is right next to S on the keyboard. Just like Birther/Nirther.

Oh, she was trying to write SEDITION? Whatever, mary.

TedStriker Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:23:27pm

re: #34 Charles

This is too much. Did the shrieking harpy do this on purpose? She posted another crazed paranoid article at her site and at Breitbart’s Big Government — with a glaring spelling error in the title. Yesterday. Hasn’t been corrected, and a search through the comments for both of those posts shows nobody noticed or remarked on it.

Maybe she was going for some kind of lame alliterative neologism? Too funny: PAMELA GELLER, BIG GOVERNMENT: DURBIN’S DEDITION AND DAWAH: LET THE PANDERING BEGIN.

I think that either Pamz was trying to be clever and somehow combine dead + sedition = dedition or she was blitzed and fat-fingered it.

Either way, she looks like a sloppy tool…

Lidane Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:23:49pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

The only viable candidates are Mitt and Huntsman. I can’t imagine that Huntsman could come up with anything close to something resembling a Republican platform. Mitt will try but it’s going to be tough to sell considering he’s the architect of the dreaded healthcare reform. Good luck with that.

Huntsman won’t get anywhere in the current GOP. He’d have to spend the entire primary season explaining why he resigned as governor of Utah to work with the Seekrit Kenyan Mooslim Commie Overlord. And Romney isn’t trusted for far more reasons than just health care.

Beyond that, both men are Mormons. Evangelicals won’t vote for anyone they consider as part of a cult that’s a half-step above Satanism.

darthstar Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:24:29pm

re: #44 talon_262

Either way, she looks like a sloppy tool…

Don’t talk about her sex life like that…some people are eating.

Charleston Chew Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:25:10pm

Dedition sounds kinda sexy to me: “She had a deditious bootay.”

Eclectic Infidel Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:26:04pm

re: #44 talon_262

Either way, she looks like a sloppy tool…

Don’t mean to offend, but I found her rather attractive in a bikini, problem is though, once she starts blogging or talking, that attractiveness takes a nose dive.

Lidane Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:26:17pm

re: #42 lostlakehiker

We shall see when it comes time for nominations just how badly broken the Republican party is.

The current crazy is more than enough proof that the GOP is broken. 2012 will only magnify it.

darthstar Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:26:22pm

re: #47 Charleston Chew

Dedition sounds kinda sexy to me: “She had a deditious bootay.”

Yes, but we’re talking about Geller here, not Ashley Judd…who has a most deditious bootay.

Targetpractice Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:27:27pm

re: #34 Charles

This is too much. Did the shrieking harpy do this on purpose? She posted another crazed paranoid article at her site and at Breitbart’s Big Government — with a glaring spelling error in the title. Yesterday. Hasn’t been corrected, and a search through the comments for both of those posts shows nobody noticed or remarked on it.

Maybe she was going for some kind of lame alliterative neologism? Too funny: PAMELA GELLER, BIG GOVERNMENT: DURBIN’S DEDITION AND DAWAH: LET THE PANDERING BEGIN.

I imagine that Pam’s ideological predecessors thought the same way about people who spoke against ol’ Sen. McCarthy, even when it became obvious towards the end that the man was using the power his office had acquired to attack political enemies with impunity.

Eclectic Infidel Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:27:58pm

re: #50 darthstar

Yes, but we’re talking about Geller here, not Ashley Judd…who has a most deditious bootay.

Oh yeah. Still have a crush on Ashley Judd. Then I watched weeds and found Shoshanna Stern. Be still, my beating heart.

austin_blue Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:28:39pm

re: #45 Lidane

Huntsman won’t get anywhere in the current GOP. He’d have to spend the entire primary season explaining why he resigned as governor of Utah to work with the Seekrit Kenyan Mooslim Commie Overlord. And Romney isn’t trusted for far more reasons than just health care.

Beyond that, both men are Mormons. Evangelicals won’t vote for anyone they consider as part of a cult that’s a half-step above Satanism.

Sad but probably true. I don’t care what a person does or doesn’t believe. I just care about their public policy positions.

Too damn hot, too damn soon, eh, Lidane? 93 today?

Yeesh…

Charleston Chew Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:29:19pm

re: #50 darthstar

Yes, but we’re talking about Geller here, not Ashley Judd…who has a most deditious bootay.

“Local girls are looking for some hot dedition with you. Call now. (3.99 a min.)”

Targetpractice Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:29:55pm

re: #45 Lidane

Huntsman won’t get anywhere in the current GOP. He’d have to spend the entire primary season explaining why he resigned as governor of Utah to work with the Seekrit Kenyan Mooslim Commie Overlord. And Romney isn’t trusted for far more reasons than just health care.

Beyond that, both men are Mormons. Evangelicals won’t vote for anyone they consider as part of a cult that’s a half-step above Satanism.

I’m almost of the opinion now that Romney and Huntsman are running as a means of giving the rest of the pack some level of cover, “beards” as it were. There’s not there because they have a serious chance at the nomination, they’re there to serve as counters to arguments that the GOP’s candidate pool is wall-to-wall crazy.

Lidane Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:30:42pm

re: #53 austin_blue

Sad but probably true. I don’t care what a person does or doesn’t believe. I just care about their public policy positions.

I care about what a person believes if they make that the basis for their public policy positions. See: the SBOE. Other than that, no so much.

Too damn hot, too damn soon, eh, Lidane? 93 today?

Yeesh…

Seriously. I want to go to all the food carts on SoCo, but the heat is making me lazy.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:31:04pm

re: #55 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I’m almost of the opinion now that Romney and Huntsman are running as a means of giving the rest of the pack some level of cover, “beards” as it were. There’s not there because they have a serious chance at the nomination, they’re there to serve as counters to arguments that the GOP’s candidate pool is wall-to-wall crazy.

No. Romney spent WAAAAY too much of his own money not to be serious.

I really believe that what he’s being doing since 2008, and is still doing, is trying to win over folks who believe Mormons are cult members.

(Sigh.)

blueraven Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:31:56pm

Hmmm…surprise to me but there is a word dedition

(n.) The act of yielding; surrender.

[Link: thinkexist.com…]

PhillyPretzel Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:33:53pm

re: #58 blueraven
The Free Dictionary agrees. [Link: www.thefreedictionary.com…]

Charleston Chew Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:34:06pm

re: #58 blueraven

Interesting. Did not know that. Of course, I only just learned of defenestration last week.

Lidane Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:34:49pm

re: #57 EmmmieG

No. Romney spent WAAAY too much of his own money not to be serious.

I really believe that what he’s being doing since 2008, and is still doing, is trying to win over folks who believe Mormons are cult members.

(Sigh.)

He can spend all the money he wants. It won’t save him or his chances to become POTUS. The GOP base doesn’t trust him as far as they can throw him because of his constant flip-flops and because of Romneycare, and others are wary of him because the guy looks and acts like a used car salesman. He’s completely insincere.

wrenchwench Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:35:26pm

re: #58 blueraven

Hmmm…surprise to me but there is a word dedition

(n.) The act of yielding; surrender.

[Link: thinkexist.com…]

I don’t think that’s what whe meant though, because the second paragraph starts with this:

One can point to Alger Hiss or Benedict Arnold for like historical antecedents. The difference between then and now is that we didn’t know that Hiss et al were seditionists whose objective was to overthrow the government.

darthstar Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:35:49pm

re: #60 Charleston Chew

Interesting. Did not know that. Of course, I only just learned of defenestration last week.

I hope you didn’t learn it in the passive voice…ouch.

Eclectic Infidel Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:36:41pm

re: #57 EmmmieG

No. Romney spent WAAAY too much of his own money not to be serious.

I really believe that what he’s being doing since 2008, and is still doing, is trying to win over folks who believe Mormons are cult members.

(Sigh.)

He’ll need much luck with that.

I don’t think they’re cult members, not even the polygamists. The Mormon religion doesn’t win first place above all others with respect to faith-based beliefs. It’s weird, quirky, and soul-crushing as other monotheistic faiths are. Truth be told, of all Christian sects out there, gotta admit that the Mormons have been the most polite and respectful of the lot.

Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:37:14pm

re: #58 blueraven

Hmmm…surprise to me but there is a word dedition

(n.) The act of yielding; surrender.

[Link: thinkexist.com…]

Well, what do ya know! It’s not in Merriam-Webster or the Cambridge dictionary, and it’s not in the Mac OS dictionary app, but it seems to show up in some online dictionaries.

OK, I take it back. Pamela wasn’t drunk this time.

Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:37:56pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

We can cross Barbour off the list…
Haley Barbour: We Should ‘Proceed in National Policy as if Global Warming Is Actually Happening’
He’s sunk.

But it’s a point in Barbour’s favor as a leader, still.

Charleston Chew Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:38:02pm

re: #63 darthstar

I hope you didn’t learn it in the passive voice…ouch.

Who ever invented that word must have lived in a tough town. So tough that they said to themselves, “We need way more specific words for this shit.”

austin_blue Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:38:11pm

re: #56 Lidane

I care about what a person believes if they make that the basis for their public policy positions. See: the SBOE. Other than that, no so much.

Seriously. I want to go to all the food carts on SoCo, but the heat is making me lazy.

Check out the Cajun joint next to Austin Electric. Great oyster and shrimp po’ boys. With a Sandy’s choco dip cone for afters? Priceless.

darthstar Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:38:11pm

re: #65 Charles

OK, I take it back. Pamela wasn’t drunk this time.

Yes, she was. She meant to write sedition as the rest of her rant indicates.

wrenchwench Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:39:38pm

re: #69 darthstar

Yes, she was. She meant to write sedition as the rest of her rant indicates.

Maybe hungover.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:39:44pm

re: #61 Lidane

He can spend all the money he wants. It won’t save him or his chances to become POTUS. The GOP base doesn’t trust him as far as they can throw him because of his constant flip-flops and because of Romneycare, and others are wary of him because the guy looks and acts like a used car salesman. He’s completely insincere.

So, question for you. If Romney were suddenly to leave the LDS faith for a mainline Christian faith, would he be nominate-able?

Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:40:41pm

re: #62 wrenchwench

I don’t think that’s what whe meant though, because the second paragraph starts with this:

Well, you could be right, but there is an obscure word (of French origin) that fits her paranoid article’s premise, so I gotta give her the benefit of the doubt this time.

She’s still a complete raving kook and idiot to boot. The big feature on her site today is an amazingly long-winded Birther rant.

Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:40:43pm

re: #34 Charles

This is too much. Did the shrieking harpy do this on purpose? She posted another crazed paranoid article at her site and at Breitbart’s Big Government — with a glaring spelling error in the title. Yesterday. Hasn’t been corrected, and a search through the comments for both of those posts shows nobody noticed or remarked on it.

Maybe she was going for some kind of lame alliterative neologism? Too funny: PAMELA GELLER, BIG GOVERNMENT: DURBIN’S DEDITION AND DAWAH: LET THE PANDERING BEGIN.

I noticed that too. It’s probably a typo but it appears dedition is technically a word.

Obdicut Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:40:53pm

re: #71 EmmmieG

It’d be a bit transparent, but then, a lot of born-agains do really love the born-again narrative.

Lidane Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:41:44pm

re: #71 EmmmieG

So, question for you. If Romney were suddenly to leave the LDS faith for a mainline Christian faith, would he be nominate-able?

Nope. His Mormon faith is only an issue for the hardcore evangelical types that think of Mormons as a half-step above Satanists.

Romney’s real problems with the GOP base lie with Romneycare, his flips on issues like abortion, and his complete insincerity. The guy just comes across as a sleazy used car salesman.

darthstar Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:41:52pm

re: #70 wrenchwench

Maybe hungover.

Maybe she should hook up with Charlie Sheen…they’d make a cute, if scary, couple. Speaking of which…“Tiger Blood” is now officially available as a supplement.

Lidane Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:43:56pm

re: #76 darthstar

Maybe she should hook up with Charlie Sheen…they’d make a cute, if scary, couple.

Pam is way too incoherent for Charlie. It wouldn’t work.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:45:32pm

re: #76 darthstar

Maybe she should hook up with Charlie Sheen…they’d make a cute, if scary, couple. Speaking of which…“Tiger Blood” is now officially available as a supplement.

Well it had better be “tiger blood” as opposed to tiger blood, because I’m pretty sure the latter is illegal.

Lidane Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:47:25pm

re: #78 EmmmieG

Well it had better be “tiger blood” as opposed to tiger blood, because I’m pretty sure the latter is illegal.

Although it makes a great snow cone:

[Link: www.amazon.com…]

Heh.

Charleston Chew Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:48:38pm

re: #79 Lidane

Although it makes a great snow cone:

[Link: www.amazon.com…]

Heh.

Man, I’ve been craving a tiger blood sno cone for ages. Thanks for the link.

Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:49:16pm

re: #77 Lidane

Pam is way too incoherent for Charlie. It wouldn’t work.

Indeed. He’d take one look at her and say “That’s too much crazy for me!”.

Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:49:50pm

Beck’s Upcoming Documentary: It’s The End Of The World (Again)

Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:50:42pm

re: #78 EmmmieG

Well it had better be “tiger blood” as opposed to tiger blood, because I’m pretty sure the latter is illegal.

It is just a energy drink. They sell stuff link that at Games Plus, where I often play Battletech. It’s a useful thing as a gamer if you get tired in the afternoon.

darthstar Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:52:11pm

re: #82 Killgore Trout

Beck’s Upcoming Documentary: It’s The End Of The World (Again)

Did you see the NY Times Op-Art piece on the rumored Glenn Beck Channel…now with more Voigt!

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

darthstar Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:52:42pm

re: #84 darthstar

Did you see the NY Times Op-Art piece on the rumored Glenn Beck Channel…now with more Voight! (shit…left the h off before)

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

HoosierHoops Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:54:07pm

Hi My name is Charlie Sheen…
Do you ever feel a bit tired after 36 hours of drinking Vodka?
Does hanging out with 5 hookers a night leave you feeling a bit empty? *winks*
Does smoking 7 gram rocks of Crack leave you nervous?
Do you sometimes feel exhausted after destroying a hotel room?
Then try Tigers Blood..It’s refreshing and delicious and keeps you going..All Night long!

Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:54:42pm

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

It is just a energy drink. They sell stuff link that at Games Plus, where I often play Battletech. It’s a useful thing as a gamer if you get tired in the afternoon.

You know, and I’m just speculating here, that could be your body’s way of telling you to take a break.

Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:55:59pm

Speaking of Geller, here are some, uh, interesting photos of her friends in the English Defense League:

[Link: www.hopenothate.org.uk…]

Image: ZZ009EE4AB.jpg

Notice the flag of the Ulster Volunteer Force, a Protestant terrorist group that carried out numerous bombings against Catholic civilians in Ireland.

TedStriker Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:57:52pm

re: #72 Charles

Well, you could be right, but there is an obscure word (of French origin) that fits her paranoid article’s premise, so I gotta give her the benefit of the doubt this time.

She’s still a complete raving kook and idiot to boot. The big feature on her site today is an amazingly long-winded Birther rant.

You said it yourself, Pamz is a blithering idiot; I seriously doubt she knew what (the very obscure word) “dedition” was unless someone told her. Hell, she probably couldn’t pour piss out of a boot even if the instructions were printed on the heel…

Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:58:13pm

re: #88 Charles

Speaking of Geller, here are some, uh, interesting photos of her friends in the English Defense League:

[Link: www.hopenothate.org.uk…]

Image: ZZ009EE4AB.jpg

Notice the flag of the Ulster Volunteer Force, a Protestant terrorist group that carried out numerous bombings against Catholic civilians in Ireland.

Lovely.

Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:58:39pm

More amazing tsunami video…

Youtube Video

Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:59:16pm

re: #82 Killgore Trout

Beck’s Upcoming Documentary: It’s The End Of The World (Again)

Be careful about using commentary and analysis from MM, Killgore. Clips are fine, but when they try to put facts together you need to watch out for their bias. It’s a left-wing site.

Lidane Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:59:26pm

re: #88 Charles

Oh yeah. Those guys aren’t the violent type at all. The EDL are just a bunch of peace-lovin’ concerned citizens, don’tcha know.

///

Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Mar 26, 2011 1:59:48pm

Lay down with fleas, you will find that they invite their buddy fleas in for the party.

Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:00:33pm

re: #87 EmmmieG

You know, and I’m just speculating here, that could be your body’s way of telling you to take a break.

When I’m at work I can’t take a break, and when I’m gaming I don’t want to. I’m there with my friends and I’m having fun. I don’t want to sit down and sleep.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:00:53pm

re: #94 EmmmieG

Did I just mess that up as badly as I think I did? Yep, I did.

It’s lay down with dogs, get up with fleas.

In this case it’s lay down with dogs, wake up with fleas, then the fleas figure out you won’t object, so they invite in more friends.

PhillyPretzel Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:01:48pm

re: #96 EmmmieG
It is okay we are human. :)

Targetpractice Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:02:25pm

re: #97 PhillyPretzel

It is okay we are human. :)

Speak for yourself, smooth skin.

///

Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:03:24pm

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

Be careful about using commentary and analysis from MM, Killgore. Clips are fine, but when they try to put facts together you need to watch out for their bias. It’s a left-wing site.

Do you see anything inaccurate?

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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:05:38pm

Crazy Pam has another long post up today about how Obama’s Birth Cert is a forgery.

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Lidane Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:06:31pm

re: #100 Killgore Trout

Crazy Pam has another long post up today about how Obama’s Birth Cert is a forgery.

*sigh*

They’re never going to let that conspiracy die, are they?

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Charleston Chew Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:07:02pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

More amazing tsunami video…

[Video]

My trivial problems… meet perspective.

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Targetpractice Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:07:55pm

re: #100 Killgore Trout

Crazy Pam has another long post up today about how Obama’s Birth Cert is a forgery.

And she can prove it by…well frak, she can’t actually prove it is so, but that’s not gonna stop her from declaring it so.

I look forward to next year and the inevitable cries of “Show us the long form!” I’d have a mountain of respect of Obama declared “Only if my opponent will do the same and prove it’s not a forgery.”

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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:08:51pm

re: #88 Charles

Speaking of Geller, here are some, uh, interesting photos of her friends in the English Defense League:

[Link: www.hopenothate.org.uk…]

Image: ZZ009EE4AB.jpg

Notice the flag of the Ulster Volunteer Force, a Protestant terrorist group that carried out numerous bombings against Catholic civilians in Ireland.

So, Pam’s friends are of the “Orange” persuasion. That might actually be a useful thing to broadcast. Most Irish people thoroughly loath anything associated with the UVF. Such a fact might cut into her support in New York.

Interestingly, Pam’s Stalker friends have often posted pro-IRA songs, so one wonders what sort of cognitive dissonance they’ll use to explain this away.

[waves to the Stalkers]

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kirkspencer Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:09:25pm

re: #101 Lidane

*sigh*

They’re never going to let that conspiracy die, are they?

No, they aren’t. There are several state legislatures trying to pass bills based on it, in the expectation they’ll then be able to not give /any/ votes to Obama. (I expect in the states that do pass a birther bill to see the Republican nominee caught by the problem.)

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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:11:15pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout

Do you see anything inaccurate?

No, I’m just saying. Care must be employed when using partisan sources, and I tend to dislike anything from partisan-left sources.

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darthstar Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:16:21pm

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

Be careful about using commentary and analysis from MM, Killgore. Clips are fine, but when they try to put facts together you need to watch out for their bias. It’s a left-wing site.

Very true…reading it could lead to dancing.

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Targetpractice Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:17:11pm

re: #105 kirkspencer

No, they aren’t. There are several state legislatures trying to pass bills based on it, in the expectation they’ll then be able to not give /any/ votes to Obama. (I expect in the states that do pass a birther bill to see the Republican nominee caught by the problem.)

Arizona’s bill might be indicative of what we can expect, with the candidates required to provide their “long-form certificates,” along with any other documentation declared “necessary,” to the SecState in order to get on the ballot. Which is gonna make it hilarious because I doubt any of the GOP candidates, either declared or hypothetical, can produce their “long form” on demand.

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austin_blue Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:18:58pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

More amazing tsunami video…

[Video]

Gaaahh!!

Unfuckingbelievable.

Those poor people..

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blueraven Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:20:04pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

No, I’m just saying. Care must be employed when using partisan sources, and I tend to dislike anything from partisan-left sources.

MM may be partisan, but their reports are pretty accurate. They mostly go after Fox news BS and raving wingnuts.

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Gus Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:21:00pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

More amazing tsunami video…

[Video]

Kesennuma

551 confirmed dead. 1448 missing.

Daylife

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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:21:41pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

No, I’m just saying. Care must be employed when using partisan sources, and I tend to dislike anything from partisan-left sources.

I don’t mind partisanship as long as it’s a reasonably accurate informed opinion. Media Matters occasionally overstates their case but they are generally fairly honest. I don’t dislike Fox for its right wing bias, I don’t trust them because they have a history of dishonest reporting on fake stories and wild conspiracy theories. It’s not about partisanship, it’s about honesty.

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Lidane Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:22:12pm

re: #105 kirkspencer

What kills me is that by keeping the birther thing alive, these nutjobs are basically calling the Secret Service, FBI, CIA, etc. incompetent at their jobs, or hopelessly corrupted by the Seekrit Kenyan POTUS we have.

Has it never dawned on these idiots that if Barack Obama was born outside of the United States, it would have been revealed when he went through his security clearances when he became a Senator? If there were any legitimate questions about his birth, it would have come out before he ever declared his intention to run for the White House.

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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:22:55pm

re: #45 Lidane

Huntsman won’t get anywhere in the current GOP. He’d have to spend the entire primary season explaining why he resigned as governor of Utah to work with the Seekrit Kenyan Mooslim Commie Overlord. And Romney isn’t trusted for far more reasons than just health care.

Beyond that, both men are Mormons. Evangelicals won’t vote for anyone they consider as part of a cult that’s a half-step above Satanism.

I still think being a Mormon is Romney’s biggest problem. The right is no longer afraid to be bigoted in a blatant fashion. Evangelical who prefer other candidates will use this against him. And those viral internet campaigns are quite effective. Plus, he’s so dull. Who is going to get emotional about Romney? It’s the same problem McCain had. You need a base that is emotional about you to win. If hatred of the current president was enough. John Kerry would have won back in 2004.

As far as Huntsman goes, he’s not very smart if he isn’t waiting for 2016 to run. He will only be damaged goods if he runs in 2012.

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Lidane Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:24:12pm

re: #108 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Which is gonna make it hilarious because I doubt any of the GOP candidates, either declared or hypothetical, can produce their “long form” on demand.

Pffft. They’re white Republicans with respectable Real American names. They don’t need to produce a long form birth certificate. It’s obvious they were born here. =P

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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:27:49pm

re: #113 Lidane

What kills me is that by keeping the birther thing alive, these nutjobs are basically calling the Secret Service, FBI, CIA, etc. incompetent at their jobs, or hopelessly corrupted by the Seekrit Kenyan POTUS we have.

Has it never dawned on these idiots that if Barack Obama was born outside of the United States, it would have been revealed when he went through his security clearances when he became a Senator? If there were any legitimate questions about his birth, it would have come out before he ever declared his intention to run for the White House.

And all under GWB and Cheney’s watch. They don’t think the great terror warriors would have protected them from a secret Muslim foreigner?

Whatever, it’s all they got. They can’t believe a majority of people voted for Obama and probably will again in 2012, so this is there way of nullifying it.

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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:29:54pm

re: #116 moderatelyradicalliberal

And all under GWB and Cheney’s watch. They don’t think the great terror warriors would have protected them from a secret Muslim foreigner?

Whatever, it’s all they got. They can’t believe a majority of people voted for Obama and probably will again in 2012, so this is their way of nullifying it.

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Targetpractice Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:30:12pm

re: #115 Lidane

And thing is, I don’t doubt for a second that will be the case. If these bills becomes law, Obama will be made to jump through all sorts of loops by a SecState looking to hamper or hinder his reelection bid, while Sarah Palin could walk in with her “short form,” get the nod of approval, and walk out the same day. Anyone voicing a belief that her certificate was “forged” will be looked upon like an idiot, since she so “obviously” is a “red-blooded American!”

I can’t help but draw parallels between this behavior and that of the South in the 1860 presidential election, going so far as to take Lincoln’s name off the ballots in an effort to prevent him from becoming president. The motivation might not be exactly the same, but the intent is.

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recusancy Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:33:29pm

The manly mustached one is at the Conservative Principles PAC complaining about Obama cutting the budget. (The defense budget)

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darthstar Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:33:39pm

re: #118 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Any secretary of state who tries to invalidate Obama as a candidate in 2012 will rue the day, as will the Republican candidate, because no amount of “I take him at his word” will wash the stain of “This fucker thinks the President’s foreign and he thinks we should vote for HIM instead?” off.

It’s a lose-lose for the Republicans. How they choose to lose on this issue is up to them.

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Gus Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:34:12pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

More amazing tsunami video…

[Video]

Same city.

Youtube Video

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darthstar Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:34:27pm

re: #119 recusancy

The manly mustached one is at the Conservative Principles PAC complaining about Obama cutting the budget. (The defense budget)

Would that be Chuck Norris?

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recusancy Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:34:43pm

re: #122 darthstar

Would that be Chuck Norris?

Even manlier. Bolton.

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recusancy Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:36:17pm

re: #119 recusancy

The manly mustached one is at the Conservative Principles PAC complaining about Obama cutting the budget. (The defense budget)

Plus he reeeaaally wants to go to war with Iran.

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darthstar Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:39:01pm

re: #124 recusancy

Plus he reeeaaally wants to go to war with Iran.

Bolton is such a Geller.

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Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:39:06pm

And right on cue, Google ads serve up an attack on ‘Obamacare’ from michelepac.org.

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Targetpractice Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:39:47pm

re: #120 darthstar

Any secretary of state who tries to invalidate Obama as a candidate in 2012 will rue the day, as will the Republican candidate, because no amount of “I take him at his word” will wash the stain of “This fucker thinks the President’s foreign and he thinks we should vote for HIM instead?” off.

It’s a lose-lose for the Republicans. How they choose to lose on this issue is up to them.

And that’s something that I think the GOP is missing in its effort to accommodate the Tea Party, that efforts like this are going to weigh like millstones around any candidate they run. Seriously, if one or more states of the union, run by Republican governments, declare their refusal to put Obama on the ballot due to “doubt” that he’s a natural-born citizen, how does that not read as anything other than petty?

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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:40:03pm

re: #120 darthstar

Any secretary of state who tries to invalidate Obama as a candidate in 2012 will rue the day, as will the Republican candidate, because no amount of “I take him at his word” will wash the stain of “This fucker thinks the President’s foreign and he thinks we should vote for HIM instead?” off.

It’s a lose-lose for the Republicans. How they choose to lose on this issue is up to them.

I wonder if the national GOP has any idea how much damage the state GOPs are doing right now? Especially, in states that matter like OH, MI, WI, PA and FL.

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recusancy Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:42:28pm

re: #128 moderatelyradicalliberal

I wonder if the national GOP has any idea how much damage the state GOPs are doing right now? Especially, in states that matter like OH, MI, WI, PA and FL.

Add ME to that list.

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blueraven Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:42:34pm

re: #126 Charles

And right on cue, Google ads serve up an attack on ‘Obamacare’ from michelepac.org.

It is almost a little spooky!

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Lidane Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:42:51pm

re: #128 moderatelyradicalliberal

I wonder if the national GOP has any idea how much damage the state GOPs are doing right now? Especially, in states that matter like OH, MI, WI, PA and FL.

I don’t think it will hit them until someone tries to keep Obama off the ballot in 2012 over his birth certificate. As soon as that happens, whoever the nominee is will have it firmly tied as an albatross around their neck, even if they push back against it.

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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:44:06pm

re: #124 recusancy

Plus he reeeaaally wants to go to war with Iran.

I don’t think neocons like the idea of people in Muslim countries toppling their own dictators instead of the US doing it for them. I mean, where’s the glory in that? They are not nearly as afraid of what kind of governments will be created as they are the US not being in control of all world events.

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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:44:21pm

re: #107 darthstar

Very true…reading it could lead to dancing.

You know I’m not that kind of wingnut, Darth. Why the snark?

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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:44:38pm

re: #121 Gus 802

Absolutely amazing.

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darthstar Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:44:46pm

re: #131 Lidane

I don’t think it will hit them until someone tries to keep Obama off the ballot in 2012 over his birth certificate. As soon as that happens, whoever the nominee is will have it firmly tied as an albatross around their neck, even if they push back against it.

I just want to have a hidden camera in the room with the GOP candidate when news hits that someone in his campaign was linked to trying to get Obama off the ballot in a given state. “What the fuck?” Watching his/her head explode as the consequences began flowing like a tsunami would be priceless.

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Targetpractice Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:44:54pm

re: #131 Lidane

I don’t think it will hit them until someone tries to keep Obama off the ballot in 2012 over his birth certificate. As soon as that happens, whoever the nominee is will have it firmly tied as an albatross around their neck, even if they push back against it.

I think it’ll show that the GOP, as a party, is one that is totally fractured. The national leadership is going to have to explain why, if they don’t believe all the Birther bullshit, that they’re not getting on state governments who apparently not only do, but are acting upon it in an effort to deny Obama votes within their borders.

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recusancy Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:45:57pm

This guy speaking now just said “so called Progressives are trying to maintain and hold to the past”. What???

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Gus Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:46:00pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

Absolutely amazing.

Yeah. Sometimes it’s hard to get your bearings watching that. The stuff in the foreground is moving towards the left while in the background everything is going right. And it’s not just “stuff” but good sized ships, houses, buildings, etc. It’s almost surreal.

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Gus Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:46:41pm

re: #138 Gus 802

Yeah. Sometimes it’s hard to get your bearings watching that. The stuff in the foreground is moving towards the ~~left~~ right while in the background everything is going ~~right~~ left. And it’s not just “stuff” but good sized ships, houses, buildings, etc. It’s almost surreal.

Oops. Fixed.

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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:46:54pm

re: #131 Lidane

I don’t think it will hit them until someone tries to keep Obama off the ballot in 2012 over his birth certificate. As soon as that happens, whoever the nominee is will have it firmly tied as an albatross around their neck, even if they push back against it.

Well, I’m not just talking about the birther stuff. I mean the fact that in the states GOP governors and legislators are enacting policies that the national GOP can’t because they only control the House. The experiment with Teapublican governing is not going well in the swing states. The birther stuff makes them look stupid, the policies make them look evil.

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darthstar Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:46:58pm

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

You know I’m not that kind of wingnut, Darth. Why the snark?

Media matters is a left wing site, I agree. But they’re not sinister. Your warning to Kilgore made them sound more dangerous than they actually are.

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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:48:26pm

re: #137 recusancy

This guy speaking now just said “so called Progressives are trying to maintain and hold to the past”. What???

LOL! Derp.

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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:49:54pm

re: #136 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I think it’ll show that the GOP, as a party, is one that is totally fractured. The national leadership is going to have to explain why, if they don’t believe all the Birther bullshit, that they’re not getting on state governments who apparently not only do, but are acting upon it in an effort to deny Obama votes within their borders.

It also shows they don’t think they can beat him. Winning because you kept your opponent off the ballot? LOSERS!!!

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Targetpractice Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:50:26pm

re: #137 recusancy

This guy speaking now just said “so called Progressives are trying to maintain and hold to the past”. What???

“We, meanwhile, are looking forward to a nation where men rule their castles, women are glorified housepets with absolutely no free will of their own, gays are kept closeted, minorities know their place, and corporates rule with an iron fist. You know, just like the ‘Good Ol’ Days.’”

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Lidane Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:50:37pm

re: #137 recusancy

This guy speaking now just said “so called Progressives are trying to maintain and hold to the past”. What???

Hurr durr derp. Derp.

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Gus Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:50:42pm

re: #142 moderatelyradicalliberal

LOL! Derp.

A gathering of the disgruntled. And I thought I was bad. Started watching a bit on CPSAN today and had to stop. I need a couple of days of from these psychotic wingers.

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HappyWarrior Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:53:14pm

re: #88 Charles

Speaking of Geller, here are some, uh, interesting photos of her friends in the English Defense League:

[Link: www.hopenothate.org.uk…]

Image: ZZ009EE4AB.jpg

Notice the flag of the Ulster Volunteer Force, a Protestant terrorist group that carried out numerous bombings against Catholic civilians in Ireland.

Thanks for that find, Charles. I am not surprised at all to see EDL has connections to violent Unionist groups in Northern Ireland.

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HappyWarrior Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:54:54pm

re: #137 recusancy

This guy speaking now just said “so called Progressives are trying to maintain and hold to the past”. What???

I thought our problem was that we wanted to destroy tradition. A right winger though saying that progressives are trying to maintain and hold to the past though is laughable.

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Gus Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:55:47pm

Yeah. Who knows. Maybe Glenn Beck really hasn’t been babbling incoherently about Teh End of the Worldz and we’ve been mislead by teh leftists at Media Madders!!11ty

:-|

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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:57:08pm

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

You know I’m not that kind of wingnut, Darth. Why the snark?

I think because this is the exact sort of thing conservatives should be complaining about but aren’t. Fox News is promoting 9-11 truthers, John Birch Society conspiracy theories, and Endtimes religious crap. You should applaud Media Matters for accurately pointing out the insanity. The longer conservatives try to ignore and downplay the problem, the more damage these freaks are going to do. They’ll go away once conservatives start caring.

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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Mar 26, 2011 2:57:48pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

I thought our problem was that we wanted to destroy tradition. A right winger though saying that progressives are trying to maintain and hold to the past though is laughable.

You must always remember, whatever right wingers say about liberals, is actually true about them.

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HappyWarrior Sat, Mar 26, 2011 3:02:40pm

re: #151 moderatelyradicalliberal

You must always remember, whatever right wingers say about liberals, is actually true about them.

Ha, yeah you’re right about that. I just thought it was a pecuiliar criticism from the usual nonsense.

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Lidane Sat, Mar 26, 2011 3:06:51pm

re: #150 Killgore Trout

I think because this is the exact sort of thing conservatives should be complaining about but aren’t.

They’re not complaining because there is already a ready-made excuse for all the insanity, as Charles shows at the top of this thread. You’ve got people ready to excuse any criticism of all the teabaggers, the JBS resurgence, the birthers, and all the Bad Crazy as just liberal hysteria, or the “lamestream” media looking for a story.

Why get bent out of shape about the state of the GOP when Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, and the other howler monkeys are telling you that it’s just teh libz getting the vapors again?

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Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 26, 2011 3:10:18pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

Bachmann first came to my attention when she falsely blamed a tariff sponsored by two conservative Republicans and signed in to law by President Hoover on Democrats and President Roosevelt. She got the name wrong too. She called it “Hoot-Smalley when it was actually called Smoot-Hawley.

Maybe spoonerisms is all she learned from reading Mark Twain? Then she realized he was an atheist and burned the book.

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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Mar 26, 2011 3:12:33pm

re: #154 Naso Tang

Maybe spoonerisms is all she learned from reading Mark Twain? Then she realized he was an atheist and burned the book.

Bachmann? Learning something? Surely you jest, good sir?

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kirkspencer Sat, Mar 26, 2011 3:21:24pm

re: #112 Killgore Trout

I don’t mind partisanship as long as it’s a reasonably accurate informed opinion. Media Matters occasionally overstates their case but they are generally fairly honest. I don’t dislike Fox for its right wing bias, I don’t trust them because they have a history of dishonest reporting on fake stories and wild conspiracy theories. It’s not about partisanship, it’s about honesty.

Fox nailed its coffin for me when it fought and won the suit [link to opinion] against it on the basis that the FCC’s policies against news distortion were not law, rule, or regulation.

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lostlakehiker Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:28:37am

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Suggested campaign slogan: I ♥ Huckabee

Huckabee him and the forse he rode in on.

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