Michele Bachmann (R-Mars) Wows Them in Iowa

Bachmann steals the show from Gingrich, Bolton, Barbour, and Cain

WingnutsMarch 2011 • Views: 32,436

Washington Post blogger Jennifer Rubin tried to laugh off Michele Bachmann’s presidential chances, but yesterday at Rep. Steve King’s “Conservative Principles Conference,” the looniest wingnut politician in America was the star of the show.

Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), one of the most conservative members of the House, hosted the day-long conference, which drew hundreds of activists. It was the second conservative gathering of the month in the state to draw a handful of presidential hopefuls — the first was hosted by a religious conservative group — and was another reminder of how deeply intertwined fiscal and cultural issues are in the state with the nation’s first presidential caucuses.

The possible presidential candidates included Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, former House speaker Newt Gingrich, businessman Herman Cain, and former United Nations ambassador John Bolton. But it was Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) who lit up the gathering with a rapid-fire denunciation of the president that had the audience on its feet cheering.

“Are you in for 2012?” she called out to the audience. “Are you in? Are you going to make it happen? Are we going to take our country back?” As the applause built, she concluded by saying, “I agree with you. I say we do. I say I’m in. You’re in. We will take this back in 2012.”

UPDATE at 3/27/11 10:58:20 am

Politico has another report on Bachmann’s deranged speech, chock full of far right red meat talking points: Michele Bachmann steals the show in Iowa.

Talking loudly and waving her hands, a pumped Bachmann used a slide presentation of various numbers — the national debt, the cost of a gallon of gas two years ago the day before Obama took office, the corporate tax rate — to make her points and pull the crowd in. …

She called for a “fair tax” and said that the “current United States tax code is a weapon of mass destruction.” …

She then started firing up the crowd, saying, ”Does anyone remember the trillion dollar stimulus bill? Did President Obama correctly diagnose the problem with job creation. ..what’s his level of credibility on job creation?”

The crowd replied, “No!” …

After a few other similar exchanges with the crowd, Bachmann invoked the president’s failed Final Four predictions and said, “Now he’s got us engaged in another third middle eastern war? Talk about March Madness, can anyone say Jimmy Carter”

She also made a joke about Chinese President Hu and the national debt, saying “So we know now that Hu is your daddy.” …

“The Constitution holds the answer. … We the people,” she said. “We are the answer to the problem today in the United States because you need to be pushed back in charge of your own health care. … The federal govt doesn’t have a clue how to create jobs. You do.” …

Bachmann also was the lone candidate of the event at the time she spoke to mention an issue that’s certain to be hot in the GOP primary - immigration - in her speech. She talked about miles of unprotected borders as part of her slide-show presentation.

And she addressed calls for a GOP truce on social issues, saying, “We’ve been told we need a truce on social issues and I would highly disagree with that because social conservatism is fiscal conservatism.”

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105 comments

Targetpractice Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:50:51am

I will never, for the life of me, understand this "take the country back" BS. Take it back where, the 18th century?

Winny Spencer Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:56:04am

How many delegates does Mars have?

Lidane Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:56:27am

re: #1 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I will never, for the life of me, understand this "take the country back" BS. Take it back where, the 18th century?

We have to take this country back from that Seekrit Kenyan Mooslim Commie Overlord who had the nerve to win the election over the old white guy! It's the only way that our country will survive, don'tcha know.

HappyWarrior Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:57:32am

I don't expect her to win but the way Rubin just brushed her off was naive at best. Remember Ron Paul did fairly well in 2008.

nines09 Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:58:22am

re: #1 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I will never, for the life of me, understand this "take the country back" BS. Take it back where, the 18th century?

They want to take it all the way back.
Back to where JC got together with the Continental Congress in Philly and drew up the plan that the socialists are trying to defeat.

Daniel Ballard Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:59:38am

She will not look so good after her opposition starts in on her record, her statements, and her extreme views.

Winny Spencer Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:59:51am

Any reason she couldn't win in Iowa?

Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:00:08am

Get a load of this comment from Bachmann's speech:

She also made a joke about Chinese President Hu and the national debt, saying “So we know now that Hu is your daddy.”

Racist much?

Lidane Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:00:46am

social conservatism is fiscal conservatism

Lidane Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:02:13am

OK. Weird. The rest of my post got eaten.

I'm wondering how the hell social conservatism and fiscal conservatism are even remotely the same thing? They're diametrically opposed ideas.

Anyone have a Wingnut to English translator handy? I don't understand this line of reasoning at all.

Targetpractice Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:02:29am

re: #9 Lidane

And ignorance is strength!

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:02:59am

re: #8 Charles

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:03:22am

re: #7 Winny Spencer

Because she's a dumb-ass?

MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:03:45am

re: #8 Charles

Get a load of this comment from Bachmann's speech:

Racist much?

Not necessarily racist, but at least a groaningly bad pun on "Who's your daddy?"

Still, she's a moron...

HappyWarrior Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:03:57am

Wow the social conservatism is fiscal conservatism quote is even more moronic than Jim DeMint's "You can't be a fiscal conservative without being a social conservative" since at least he didn't try to say they were one and the same.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:04:44am

re: #12 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Computer eated that.

SpaceJesus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:05:00am

"social conservatism is fiscal conservatism."

at least she's honest.

Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:05:07am

re: #14 talon_262

Not necessarily racist, but at least a groaningly bad pun on "Who's your daddy?"

Still, she's a moron...

Somehow, I doubt she'd be making that "joke" about a white Democratic president.

Targetpractice Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:05:24am

re: #10 Lidane

OK. Weird. The rest of my post got eaten.

I'm wondering how the hell social conservatism and fiscal conservatism are even remotely the same thing? They're diametrically opposed ideas.

Anyone have a Wingnut to English translator handy? I don't understand this line of reasoning at all.

When they speak of "social conservatism" in that manner, they're talking killing Planned Parenthood, NPR, and other "immoral" programs, thus being "fiscally conservative" by saving money for the taxpayers.

Not illustrated: The various programs they wish to put in place to ensure that their morality is the law of the land, such as auditing women who obtain abortions to ensure no federal funds were used and having cops treat every miscarriage as a possible abortion.

_RememberTonyC Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:05:25am

re: #8 Charles

Get a load of this comment from Bachmann's speech:

Racist much?

I'm no fan of Bachmann, but "who's your daddy?" is a pretty common term these days. In sports, when someone abuses you in a game, the abuser might taunt the abusee with that question. I don't see it as racist in the sports environment. In bachmann's case, I see it as a really bad pun. Although not having heard her utter the words, I could be missing something that you did not.

MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:05:42am

re: #18 Charles

Somehow, I doubt she'd be making that "joke" about a white Democratic president.

Probably not.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:06:04am

re: #18 Charles

I think she would. Hu's name is an easy mark for that joke.

I don't think it was racist at all.

Daniel Ballard Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:07:10am

re: #15 HappyWarrior

It's an old bogus trick of language to just assert falsehoods and run with them. Sorry, they simply do not have the authority to re define FisCon to suit themselves. They can try, they can assert, but it's all crap anyway.

HappyWarrior Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:08:04am

re: #23 Rightwingconspirator

It's an old bogus trick of language to just assert falsehoods and run with them. Sorry, they simply do not have the authority to re define FisCon to suit themselves. They can try, they can assert, but it's all crap anyway.

Yeah they're not real fiscal conservatives. Claim to be but the reality is a different story.

jaunte Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:09:01am

She also made a joke about Chinese President Hu and the national debt, saying “So we know now that Hu is your daddy.

And her plan to eliminate the deficit is to tax single mothers more than married mothers. Brilliant.

HappyWarrior Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:09:57am

I don't know if it was racist either but it is extremely dishonest of her to act like the debts we owe to the Chinese are all Obama's fault.

SpaceJesus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:10:48am

did god tell her to be an idiot or something

Targetpractice Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:11:05am

re: #26 HappyWarrior

I don't know if it was racist either but it is extremely dishonest of her to act like the debts we owe to the Chinese are all Obama's fault.

Didn't you know? History began on Jan 20th, 2009. Everything is Obama's fault!

///

MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:11:13am

re: #21 talon_262

Lemme qualify that...she wouldn't be Birtherizing if a white 'Murican were in office, but like TonyC, having not heard the bad pun in context, I can't speak to her intent.

Sometimes, you don't need to ascribe to malice what can be chalked up to incompetency.

Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:11:29am

This is the crap they're selling the right wing these days: that fiscal conservatism will just sort of naturally happen once they take care of all those social issues like abortion and gay marriage.

It's pure magical thinking, wrapped up in a nice package of covert racism.

Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:12:34am

re: #29 talon_262

Lemme qualify that...she wouldn't be Birtherizing if a white 'Murican were in office, but like TonyC, having not heard the bad pun in context, I can't speak to her intent.

Sometimes, you don't need to ascribe to malice what can be chalked up to incompetency.

That may be, but I have to say that I'm finished giving these people the benefit of the doubt for their dog whistle racist comments.

M. Dubious Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:13:38am

"social conservatism is fiscal conservatism"

Words mean what I feel they mean!

Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:14:31am

re: #19 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

When they speak of "social conservatism" in that manner, they're talking killing Planned Parenthood, NPR, and other "immoral" programs, thus being "fiscally conservative" by saving money for the taxpayers.

Not illustrated: The various programs they wish to put in place to ensure that their morality is the law of the land, such as auditing women who obtain abortions to ensure no federal funds were used and having cops treat every miscarriage as a possible abortion.

Well, said. I used to consider myself a bit of a fiscal conservative until it became clear that it's just a ruse for implementing a socially "conservative" agenda. I also came to the conclusion that fiscal conservationism is economically disastrous (e.g. opposing TARP and stimulus which saved our economy). It's a suicide pact.

Targetpractice Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:15:29am

re: #30 Charles

This is the crap they're selling the right wing these days: that fiscal conservatism will just sort of naturally happen once they take care of all those social issues like abortion and gay marriage.

It's pure magical thinking, wrapped up in a nice package of covert racism.

I'd say I was surprised if they hadn't been selling this particular brand of snake oil for decades, all the way back to The Gipper, maybe even farther back than him.

SpaceJesus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:15:42am

re: #30 Charles

or they use the "oh we're just fiscal conservatives" lie as a wedge to get their foot in the door so they can hold it open for their medieval social conservative agenda.

Charleston Chew Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:18:17am

re: #32 harald

"social conservatism is fiscal conservatism"

Words mean what I feel they mean!

Inspired by Rep. Bachmann, I went into the bank and told them I have millions of dollars, but they claim that my balance is $8.77, so I had to explain to them that saying something makes it true.

MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:19:46am

re: #31 Charles

That may be, but I have to say that I'm finished giving these people the benefit of the doubt for their dog whistle racist comments.

You have to admit, given what Bachmann and others in the TPGOP have said about President Obama and what they want to do to this country, the "[...]Hu is your daddy" "joke" was mostly just a lame-ass pun, though I agree it was camouflaging a personal attack on Obama's lineage for the Birthers in the audience.

They've said outright much, much worse...I still don't trust these fuckers as far as I can throw them.

Winny Spencer Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:20:29am

re: #13 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Because she's a dumb-ass?

Exactly. Not a reason against, I'm afraid.

Shiplord Kirel Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:20:41am

re: #30 Charles

This is the crap they're selling the right wing these days: that fiscal conservatism will just sort of naturally happen once they take care of all those social issues like abortion and gay marriage.

It's pure magical thinking, wrapped up in a nice package of covert racism.

Their thinking might be the other way 'round: If society can be reformed to the point at which only white property owners are allowed to vote, fiscal conservatism will follow naturally. (It used to be white male property owners but Bachmann might not go quite that far.)

Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:22:07am

“So we know now that Hu is your daddy...”

The GOP Snookidemic continues. We're supposed to take this balloonhead seriously? And as a potential presidential candidate the international community is supposed to take her seriously? I can't decide who's a better candidate. Sideshow Bob, Charlies Sheen, Snooki, Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann. Perhaps Jennifer Rubin can help me out.

Simply Sarah Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:23:39am

re: #33 Killgore Trout

Well, said. I used to consider myself a bit of a fiscal conservative until it became clear that it's just a ruse for implementing a socially "conservative" agenda. I also came to the conclusion that fiscal conservationism is economically disastrous (e.g. opposing TARP and stimulus which saved our economy). It's a suicide pact.

Well, it's absolutely critical to the GOP to link fiscal and social conservatism together, since if either group were to stop voting for them, the party would basically implode instantly. While there are, for sure, a lot of social conservatives that buy into the 'fiscal' part too, there are also many religious conservatives who fit much more nicely into the Democratic party when it comes to most economic thinking and government involvement in services. And, of course, you have the fiscal conservatives for which social issues are either minor or who are actually opposed to the general Republican platform (Like the Log Cabin Republicans).

If either side got the idea that they could do better for themselves by splitting from the GOP (Or, even worse, aligning with the Democrats), there would be trouble. As such, the idea that both groups are a natural match for each other and should be in the same united party needs to be beat into everyone's head.

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:26:11am

re: #8 Charles

Get a load of this comment from Bachmann's speech:

Racist much?

One of the "Americans For..." groups is running pretty slick ads on CNN (saw it at work the other day.)

Conference in China in 2030 where the speaker is talking about various empires fell (Greeks, Romans, etc.) and then "why did the American Empire fall? They're tried to tax and spend their way out of a recession." More blah blah blah and then the speaker delivers the kicker "and that is why they work for us now" while the crowd of Oriental attendees applaud.

Lots of nice dog whistle action in that one.

Targetpractice Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:26:34am

re: #40 Gus 802

The GOP Snookidemic continues. We're supposed to take this balloonhead seriously? And as a potential presidential candidate the international community is supposed to take her seriously? I can't decide who's a better candidate. Sideshow Bob, Charlies Sheen, Snooki, Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann. Perhaps Jennifer Rubin can help me out.

The GOP's stuck between the proverbial rock and hard place: Any candidate that would win in the general will likely be bounced in the primaries, while any candidate that would shine in the primaries will be a joke come the general.

The Mountain That Blogs Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:27:57am

re: #40 Gus 802

Sideshow Bob, easy. Say what you will about him, the man was intelligent.

jaunte Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:28:56am

From comments at the Post link:

markandbeth92
I prefer Michel Bachmann over all of them so far, and since the left is talking her down and Newt, Barber, Demitt and Romny over her that means she is probably the best and most conservative candidate.

This kind of unthinking oppositional behavior seems to be what the GOP is counting on.

thatthatisis Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:29:21am

Bachmann said "The Constitution holds the answer . . . "

Isn't sorry, but isn't this the person who said we should investigate Congress for anti-American sentiments? And who said the founding fathers fought tirelessly until slavery was abolished? And who was against answering all the questions on the census - even those questions first put in while founding father and future president Madison headed up the census bureau?

Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:30:02am

re: #43 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The GOP's stuck between the proverbial rock and hard place: Any candidate that would win in the general will likely be bounced in the primaries, while any candidate that would shine in the primaries will be a joke come the general.

Reminds me of what we would see running for office in a "banana country." Or perhaps an Italian comedic farce staring Marcello Mastroianni. The latter probably would be too high brow for a representation. In any event if not for the seriousness of this trend it does seem like a comedy.

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:30:11am

re: #46 thatthatisis

Bachmann said "The Constitution holds the answer . . . "

Isn't sorry, but isn't this the person who said we should investigate Congress for anti-American sentiments? And who said the founding fathers fought tirelessly until slavery was abolished? And who was against answering all the questions on the census - even those questions first put in while founding father and future president Madison headed up the census bureau?

The Constitution means what she thinks it means. No more. No less.

Targetpractice Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:30:44am

re: #46 thatthatisis

Bachmann said "The Constitution holds the answer . . . "

Isn't sorry, but isn't this the person who said we should investigate Congress for anti-American sentiments? And who said the founding fathers fought tirelessly until slavery was abolished? And who was against answering all the questions on the census - even those questions first put in while founding father and future president Madison headed up the census bureau?

Nobody accused her of being an intellectual heavyweight.

Simply Sarah Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:31:37am

re: #42 oaktree

One of the "Americans For..." groups is running pretty slick ads on CNN (saw it at work the other day.)

Conference in China in 2030 where the speaker is talking about various empires fell (Greeks, Romans, etc.) and then "why did the American Empire fall? They're tried to tax and spend their way out of a recession." More blah blah blah and then the speaker delivers the kicker "and that is why they work for us now" while the crowd of Oriental attendees applaud.

Lots of nice dog whistle action in that one.

I'm really tired of the whole "tax and spend" line. Ignoring, for the moment, any debate on if that sort of policy has merit (Well, the more realistic policies generally labeled as such), that's not even what Obama and the Democrats have been doing. For the most part, they've kept existing tax cuts in place while adding new ones (You know, like with much of the stimulus being tax cuts instead of direct spending). If they're going to attack the Democrat's policies, can they at least try to be remotely close to reality when describing them?

No? I figured as much.

Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:33:17am

re: #45 jaunte

From comments at the Post link:

This kind of unthinking oppositional behavior seems to be what the GOP is counting on.

Duh-e!

"Hey Cletus. The left don't like that there Bachmann woman. Maybe we should vote for her."

HappyWarrior Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:34:19am

re: #42 oaktree

One of the "Americans For..." groups is running pretty slick ads on CNN (saw it at work the other day.)

Conference in China in 2030 where the speaker is talking about various empires fell (Greeks, Romans, etc.) and then "why did the American Empire fall? They're tried to tax and spend their way out of a recession." More blah blah blah and then the speaker delivers the kicker "and that is why they work for us now" while the crowd of Oriental attendees applaud.

Lots of nice dog whistle action in that one.

I heard about that ad through my Chinese history professor. he was naturally very offended by that. He also showed a few weeks back a clip of Colbert interviewing the NEw Yorker's China correspendent who has a new book coming out. It was an interesting interview since Stephen being in character really echoed a lot of the real sentiments you see people have towards the CHinese.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:34:19am

And she addressed calls for a GOP truce on social issues, saying, “We’ve been told we need a truce on social issues and I would highly disagree with that because social conservatism is fiscal conservatism.”

Oh bullshit, Michele. As it stands today, "social conservatism" is a retrograde movement which seeks to govern our modern society with a bronze age mythology.

Girth Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:34:20am

re: #50 Simply Sarah

We create our own reality.

jaunte Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:35:15am

re: #51 Gus 802

'The EZ Way to Citizens' Due Diligence'

Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:35:29am

re: #54 Girth

With enough Kool-Aid.

Targetpractice Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:36:34am

re: #50 Simply Sarah

I'm really tired of the whole "tax and spend" line. Ignoring, for the moment, any debate on if that sort of policy has merit (Well, the more realistic policies generally labeled as such), that's not even what Obama and the Democrats have been doing. For the most part, they've kept existing tax cuts in place while adding new ones (You know, like with much of the stimulus being tax cuts instead of direct spending). If they're going to attack the Democrat's policies, can they at least try to be remotely close to reality when describing them?

No? I figured as much.

Oh, I've gotten immense amusement out of watching the Right twist themselves into pretzels over all that. Apparently, the $300 billion or so in tax cuts that were part of the Stimulus count as "spending," because they "didn't amount to much." But the Bush (now Obama) Tax Cuts? They don't count as spending because "it's letting people 'keep their money!'"

Shiplord Kirel Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:37:13am

re: #47 Gus 802

Reminds me of what we would see running for office in a "banana country." Or perhaps an Italian comedic farce staring Marcello Mastroianni. The latter probably would be too high brow for a representation. In any event if not for the seriousness of this trend it does seem like a comedy.

Personally, it is getting harder and harder for me to even comment on the TPGOP and its rhetoric. The latest example is Newt Gingrich's bizarre assertion that his own infidelity actually helped him in the Clinton impeachment. If it weren't for the serious possibility of one of these nattering fools being elected, I just would not think they are worthy of serious comment at all.

We should know better than to ignore them though. Thirty years ago, reasonably intelligent people dismissed creationists as a small gang of hopeless throwbacks who could not possibly achieve any real influence. You can see how that turned out.

Targetpractice Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:37:33am

re: #51 Gus 802

Duh-e!

"Hey Cletus. The left don't like that there Bachmann woman. Maybe we should vote for her."

//

"Well, she is awful pretty. Dumber than a bag of hammers, but I wouldn't mind a roll in the hay with her."

dragonfire1981 Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:37:40am

Here's that aforementioned ad. It's by a group called Citizens Against Government Waste:

Youtube Video

darthstar Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:38:14am

Get all these whacko Republicans into Iowa and then lock the gate. They seem to like it there (must be the jello molds with canned pear slices)...Set a TV on loop so they think it's always just before the caucuses and it could be years before they realize that there are 49 other states.

Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:38:57am

re: #58 Shiplord Kirel

Personally, it is getting harder and harder for me to even comment on the TPGOP and its rhetoric. The latest example is Newt Gingrich's bizarre assertion that his own infidelity actually helped him in the Clinton impeachment. If it weren't for the serious possibility of one of these nattering fools being elected, I just would not think they are worthy of serious comment at all.

We should know better than to ignore them though. Thirty years ago, reasonably intelligent people dismissed creationists as a small gang of hopeless throwbacks who could not possibly achieve any real influence. You can see how that turned out.

I saw that a couple of minutes ago -- about Gingrich. I'm just rolling my eyes here and they're about ready to get stuck looking at the back of my head. It's a clown show of nut jobs beclowning themselves on a daily basis.

Targetpractice Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:40:58am

re: #60 dragonfire1981

Here's that aforementioned ad. It's by a group called Citizens Against Government Waste:

[Video]

Yeah, the waste they don't want to address? Anything that has to do with the defense budget or the two foreign wars that seem to have no ends.

dragonfire1981 Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:41:47am

It's an amazing contrast to me when looking at my current home of America and my birthplace of Canada.

Although Canada might have more (gasp!) regulation, consider this:

- Canada spends LESS per capita on Health care than the U.S.
- Canada had no housing bubble burst, due to stricter finance laws
- Canada has regained almost ALL the jobs that it lost during the recession
- Canada has taken many steps towards protecting its environment and safely harvesting its many natural resources.
- Canada had only ONE stimulus package

Even more amazing is the fact this all happened under a Conservative government. Now mainstream conservatives in Canada are different from mainstream conservatives in the U.S. but the point stands.

If you have the time, check out some political news reports on CTV.ca or read comments by the candidates. You won't find anywhere near the level of crazy or spin you get down here.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:41:49am

re: #58 Shiplord Kirel

Heh.

Shiplord Kirel Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:41:51am

re: #61 darthstar

Get all these whacko Republicans into Iowa and then lock the gate. They seem to like it there (must be the jello molds with canned pear slices)...Set a TV on loop so they think it's always just before the caucuses and it could be years before they realize that there are 49 other states.

Pear slices? How barbarous! Everyone knows you use peach slices or fruit cocktail in molded jello. I know of one recipe where it is layered with sliced twinkies and that soybean oil frozen whip stuff. Guilty pleasures!

Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:42:14am

Michele Bachmann: the laughing stock of the GOP.

Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:42:25am

re: #60 dragonfire1981

Here's that aforementioned ad. It's by a group called Citizens Against Government Waste:

[Video]

wow.

Girth Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:43:14am

The supreme dumbing-down of the conservative movement.

X does not like A. I am Y, so because I oppose X, I like A.

The implied premise: X is always wrong.

Assuming the guy you don't like is always wrong is no way to go through life.

The intellectual laziness is astounding.

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:43:45am

What also echoes from that ad is the great bugaboo in the 80s-90s about how the Japanese were buying everything up due to our fiscal policies and would soon own us.

Then I saw a interesting statistic in that the main foreign investor in the US at the time was the UK. The Japanese percentage was much smaller, but it was simply growing quicker and thus being noticed (and hand wringed about.)

Shiplord Kirel Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:44:11am

re: #67 Gus 802

Michele Bachmann: the laughing stock of the GOP.

Dan Quayle was Winston Churchill compared to this current crop.

Winny Spencer Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:44:36am

re: #69 Girth

The supreme dumbing-down of the conservative movement.

X does not like A. I am Y, so because I oppose X, I like A.

The implied premise: X is always wrong.

Assuming the guy you don't like is always wrong is no way to go through life.

The intellectual laziness is astounding.

But X is Obama!

Bipartite Gnomenclature Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:45:52am

re: #27 SpaceJesus

did god tell her to be an idiot or something

Wouldn't you know?

Shiplord Kirel Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:47:01am

re: #27 SpaceJesus

did god tell her to be an idiot or something

Nah, we can't blame God for this one. It's a free will thing, with money and power as incentive.

Mickey_being_mickey Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:50:13am

"The federal govt doesn’t have a clue how to create jobs. You do."

So what exactly is the GOP controlled House doing to create jobs again? Can someone remind me again. I mean other then holding votes to strip away women's rights and NPR funding.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:50:55am

re: #67 Gus 802

Michele Bachmann: the laughing stock of the GOP.

She could wind up getting nearly 40% of Americans to vote for her.
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Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:51:04am

re: #75 Mickey_being_mickey

So what exactly is the GOP controlled House doing to create jobs again? Can someone remind me again. I mean other then holding votes to strip away women's rights and NPR funding.

Well. They are investigating... Moozlims!!11ty

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:51:32am

re: #69 Girth

The supreme dumbing-down of the conservative movement.

X does not like A. I am Y, so because I oppose X, I like A.

The implied premise: X is always wrong.

Assuming the guy you don't like is always wrong is no way to go through life.

The intellectual laziness is astounding.

If the GOP wanted a true red meat candidate, that would also bring in the youth vote, wouldn't they want to nominate Lady Gaga?
/

Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:51:42am

re: #76 Slumbering Behemoth

She could wind up getting nearly 40% of Americans to vote for her.
/

Facepalm.

Oh brother. Stop the world! I want to get off.

Targetpractice Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:52:02am

re: #75 Mickey_being_mickey

So what exactly is the GOP controlled House doing to create jobs again? Can someone remind me again. I mean other then holding votes to strip away women's rights and NPR funding.

According to them, by using the guise of "fiscal conservatism" to enact their social conservative agenda and going after all the "feel-good" programs, they'll in fact be restoring the market's "confidence" in the government, which will lead to job growth.

So, basically a mutated version of "The Free Market Cures All!"

Mickey_being_mickey Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:53:17am

re: #77 Gus 802

Oh noes...teh Mooslims...maybe once teh gayz are put under the watchful eye of Peter King all unemployment will disappear.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:54:46am

re: #75 Mickey_being_mickey

They're the Underpants Gnomes of the political spectrum.

1. Strip away women's rights/impose theocratic laws
2. ???
3. New jobs!

Bipartite Gnomenclature Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:55:08am

re: #32 harald

"social conservatism is fiscal conservatism"

Words mean what I feel they mean!

What I suspect she fails to understand is that fiscal conservatism is a large, widely varied concept and set of actions that may encompass the economic farce that is social conservatism but is certainly not limited in any way to social conservative precepts. (Yes, I do mean precepts).

Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:55:10am

re: #81 Mickey_being_mickey

Oh noes...teh Mooslims...maybe once teh gayz are put under the watchful eye of Peter King all unemployment will disappear.

Oh yeah. They've also been plotting something about "In God We Trust".

Really important stuff.

Mickey_being_mickey Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:55:58am

re: #82 Slumbering Behemoth

Youtube Video

HappyWarrior Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:57:07am

It was posted on one of hte pages that Herman Cain said he would not have a Muslim in his adminsitration. It's comments like that make me wonder about the GOP's sanity. As I poitned out, Bush had a Muslim guy succeed Bolton as ambassador to the UN. There seem to be many Republicans who think being Muslim is somehow incompatible with being a good American which is such nonsense.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Mar 27, 2011 12:00:35pm

re: #84 Gus 802

Oh, for fuck's sake. Can we please just go back to our original motto?

Daniel Ballard Sun, Mar 27, 2011 12:00:42pm

re: #35 SpaceJesus
Yes, and we ~~let~~ often help them wreck the brand by wrongly associating fiscal conservatism to the wrong candidates and the wrong principles. We buy the lie, even if just to criticize.

Reminds me of the phrase "states rights". We (the media, too many blogs) let the racists high-jack the phrase. Which ruins the "brand". Which then plays into the hands of those who want there to be no sovereign states and pretend one overarching law fits all regions in all cases. As if rural and urban are the same. As if regional cultural differences had no merit and need to be homogenized.

Well I am a fiscal conservative, and certainly no racist. And I'm an advocate of the states being able to legislate and regulate within the constitution, but still for it's own citizenry.

Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 12:01:21pm

re: #87 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh, for fuck's sake. Can we please just go back to our original motto?

From the Church of MYOB!

Bipartite Gnomenclature Sun, Mar 27, 2011 12:08:52pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

Well, said. I used to consider myself a bit of a fiscal conservative until it became clear that it's just a ruse for implementing a socially "conservative" agenda. I also came to the conclusion that fiscal conservationism is economically disastrous (e.g. opposing TARP and stimulus which saved our economy). It's a suicide pact.

The idea behind current fiscal conservatism is a religious based corruption of truly functional free market balance. The free market requires controls to limit the spread between the production and consumption of goods, so that the gap between consumers, those wealthy enough to purchase goods, and the producers, those paid wages to make and market those goods does not result in producers unable to purchase the goods they make.

Bachmann, and her ilk are attempting to circumvent those controls which will result in a poorer production sector. Fiscal responsibility used to take that into consideration. No longer.

Bipartite Gnomenclature Sun, Mar 27, 2011 12:11:57pm

re: #42 oaktree

One of the "Americans For..." groups is running pretty slick ads on CNN (saw it at work the other day.)

Conference in China in 2030 where the speaker is talking about various empires fell (Greeks, Romans, etc.) and then "why did the American Empire fall? They're tried to tax and spend their way out of a recession." More blah blah blah and then the speaker delivers the kicker "and that is why they work for us now" while the crowd of Oriental attendees applaud.

Lots of nice dog whistle action in that one.

Previous empires fell because resource production fell while use skyrocketed.

moderatelyradicalliberal Sun, Mar 27, 2011 12:18:34pm

Starting with the selection of Palin for VP back in 2008, the GOP seems to be running a prolonged social experiment to see how far they can go before the American people determine that Peak Wingnut has been reached. I suppose Palin was rejected, but she wasn't at the top pf the ticket. Now they are trying to find out just how awful a candidate they can put at the top of the ticket.

Either that or trying to see if their lame ass candidates like Romney and Pawlenty can be made to look more appealing in comparison. Yes, that's probably it. Bachmann and all of the other horrible assortment of nuts have been recruited to make Romney and Pawlenty look good. So the task at hand for the Obama reelection campaign is to make sure people know that Romney and Pawlenty, despite their mild mannered demeanor, basically believe the same things and favor the same policies as all of the obviously crazy various assundry kooks.

Vote Obama/Biden 2012! Because the sane Republican candidates believe 95% of what the crazy Republican candidates believe!

M. Dubious Sun, Mar 27, 2011 12:26:57pm

re: #83 b_sharp

What I suspect she fails to understand is that fiscal conservatism is a large, widely varied concept and set of actions that may encompass the economic farce that is social conservatism but is certainly not limited in any way to social conservative precepts. (Yes, I do mean precepts).

I looked up 'precepts' and have no objections.

MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Mar 27, 2011 12:31:53pm

re: #54 Girth

As Adam Savage of Mythbusters is known to say, "I reject your reality and substitute my own!"

;-P

Romantic Heretic Sun, Mar 27, 2011 12:37:25pm

re: #40 Gus 802

The GOP Snookidemic continues. We're supposed to take this balloonhead seriously?

If she wins she'll be a balloonhead with nuclear weapons. She'll have to be taken seriously. semi/

Bipartite Gnomenclature Sun, Mar 27, 2011 12:38:33pm

re: #95 Romantic Heretic

If she wins she'll be a balloonhead with nuclear weapons. She'll have to be taken seriously. semi/

I'd hope the military would know enough to give her a fake big red button.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Mar 27, 2011 12:47:11pm

re: #94 talon_262

As Adam Savage of Mythbusters is known to say, "I reject your reality and substitute my own!"

;-P

You know he stole that line from a movie, right? Just sayin'.

Romantic Heretic Sun, Mar 27, 2011 12:57:35pm

re: #91 b_sharp

Previous empires fell because resource production fell while use skyrocketed.

Previous empires fell because the people who made the decisions became concerned only with feathering their own nests and not with the good of the empire itself.

Bipartite Gnomenclature Sun, Mar 27, 2011 1:02:10pm

re: #98 Romantic Heretic

Previous empires fell because the people who made the decisions became concerned only with feathering their own nests and not with the good of the empire itself.

Different causal level.

Resource over-use - proximate.
Ignorant leaders - ultimate.

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theheat Sun, Mar 27, 2011 2:50:29pm

I'm not even surprised she did so well. She's a fountain of fundie bullshit wrapped up in a red meat dress with eyebrows drawn straight out of a cartoon. Of course the GOPs would fall over all that. They find that kind of bait irresistible.

101

Petero1818 Sun, Mar 27, 2011 5:00:53pm

re: #18 Charles

Somehow, I doubt she'd be making that "joke" about a white Democratic president.

Regardless of whether or not it is racist, it is inappropriate, and entirely inappropriate for someone who may actually be seeking an office that would put her on an equal diplomatic stage with Hu. Generally the leader of one country does not make fun of another leader, least of all one who holds your debt.

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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Mar 27, 2011 5:41:33pm

re: #97 Slumbering Behemoth

You know he stole that line from a movie, right? Just sayin'.

Good artists borrow; great artists steal.

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jhrhv Sun, Mar 27, 2011 5:50:18pm

re: #8 Charles

The "modern" republicans don't think saying racist things are racist anymore. Making slightly racist comments is now what they consider thumbing your nose at Political Correctness. Pointing out that the type of comment the woman from Mars made is racist and not PC would get you labeled a sissy a commie a pinko and RINO sympathizer.

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JEA62 Mon, Mar 28, 2011 6:00:39am

Seen this before...conservatives switch their faves faster than teen girls switch BFFs.

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only_me Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:01:54am

I embarrassed to from/living in Iowa. It would serve us right to lose our treasured first in the nation caucus due to nominating Bachmann, or any of the other crazies.

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