Video: Machine Civilization
Genki Sudo
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And now, World Order with their smash hit “Machine Civilization.” It’s got a sleek beat, and you can dance to it. But maybe not like these guys do.
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121 comments
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Mar 27, 2011 5:37:17pm |
That’s cool as heck.
(I hate Auto-tune)
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Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Mar 27, 2011 5:39:48pm |
David Byrne antics taken to their logical conclusion?
Fascinating stuff in any case.
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Mar 27, 2011 5:41:34pm |
Hmm. Wasn’t that style of “dance” called “vogueing.”
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Mar 27, 2011 5:44:56pm |
re: #2 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That’s cool as heck.
(I hate Auto-tune)
I hate it too…….. curse you Cher.
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Mar 27, 2011 5:46:30pm |
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Achilles Tang Sun, Mar 27, 2011 5:47:14pm |
I would love to see what they could do with a Monty Python script.
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Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 5:50:50pm |
Oh crap. I was talking to an acquaintance of mine and somehow we got on the topic of 911. Long story short, he pull the old “the Pentagon was hit by a missile” routine. I said “you really believe that?” And responded by saying “show me” and I said, “OK I will” and then he said “but I won’t believe it. Finally as I was leaving I asked him, “so what happened with the 757?” And he said “what plane?” A jeez. People, people, people are wacky.
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Mar 27, 2011 5:52:09pm |
re: #6 wozzablog
They lie to us…
[Video]
The toaster button…. It lies to us. That’s great!
“I have trouble with toast. Toast is very difficult. You have to watch it all the time or it burns up.”
Julia Child
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Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 5:54:05pm |
Not only that but I also said “you know the airplane with all of those people inside of it and the crew” and he basically responded that there were no people and no crew and no 757 and that EVERYTHING was fabricated with the ending quote of “you know like Pat Tillman.”
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researchok Sun, Mar 27, 2011 5:54:12pm |
The American version of this video
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Kragar Sun, Mar 27, 2011 5:55:27pm |
re: #10 Gus 802
Not only that but I also said “you know the airplane with all of those people inside of it and the crew” and he basically responded that there were no people and no crew and no 757 and that EVERYTHING was fabricated with the ending quote of “you know like Pat Tillman.”
People are idiots.
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Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 5:56:04pm |
re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
People are idiots.
I totally lost whatever respect I had for him. He sounded like an idiot.
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Mar 27, 2011 5:56:51pm |
For the record - if you are the proprietor of an establishment and you expect someone to cash up and balance a till at the end of a day…….when you (the proprietor) aren’t sure if you are owed the £50 it comes out over balanced…………….it’s ain’t that blinkin’ easy.
(rant over and being accompnaied by a large mug of coffee and a slug of far too good whiskey in it)
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 27, 2011 5:57:09pm |
re: #10 Gus 802
Not only that but I also said “you know the airplane with all of those people inside of it and the crew” and he basically responded that there were no people and no crew and no 757 and that EVERYTHING was fabricated with the ending quote of “you know like Pat Tillman.”
Next time it’s brought up, ask him how that a government so leaky that the New York Times could publish classified info on two CIA anti-terrorism programs could keep the tens of thousands of people necessary to pull off 9/11 quiet for this long.
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Kragar Sun, Mar 27, 2011 5:58:15pm |
re: #13 Gus 802
I totally lost whatever respect I had for him. He sounded like an idiot.
A guy I worked with seemed like a reasonable guy, then we got to talking one day and in the course of about 30 minutes, he told me the world was 5000 years old, all the problems in the ME were because of Israel and the Bilderbergs run everything.
Idiots abound.
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Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 5:58:21pm |
re: #15 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Next time it’s brought up, ask him how that a government so leaky that the New York Times could publish classified info on two CIA anti-terrorism programs could keep the tens of thousands of people necessary to pull off 9/11 quiet for this long.
Oh forget about it. You can’t reason with 911 truthers.
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Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Mar 27, 2011 5:58:31pm |
re: #10 Gus 802
Not only that but I also said “you know the airplane with all of those people inside of it and the crew” and he basically responded that there were no people and no crew and no 757 and that EVERYTHING was fabricated with the ending quote of “you know like Pat Tillman.”
Sounds like someone living in a delusional dream scape (or nightmare scape). If that was capable of being a complete fabrication - then what reported event could he reasonably be expected to believe within any sort of rational logical framework?
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Kragar Sun, Mar 27, 2011 5:59:17pm |
re: #15 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Next time it’s brought up, ask him how that a government so leaky that the New York Times could publish classified info on two CIA anti-terrorism programs could keep the tens of thousands of people necessary to pull off 9/11 quiet for this long.
NYC doesn’t actually exist. Its a media construct created by the Jews.
/
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Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:00:47pm |
re: #19 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
NYC doesn’t actually exist. Its a media construct created by the Jews.
/
The same Jews that created the moon landing hoax at NASA!!11ty
/
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Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:01:07pm |
OT: The Chopped ep on right now is the judge competition.
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:01:33pm |
re: #14 wozzablog
For the record - if you are the proprietor of an establishment and you expect someone to cash up and balance a till at the end of a day…when you (the proprietor) aren’t sure if you are owed the £50 it comes out over balanced…it’s ain’t that blinkin’ easy.
(rant over and being accompnaied by a large mug of coffee and a slug of far too good whiskey in it)
With the cash registers today they do all the math for you……. back in the day, the old registers relied on the operator doing the math…… I know I used to get hammered all the time when things didn’t balance right. I remember my boss saying “You guys were off 9 bucks in fucking tax yesterday!”.
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Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:01:51pm |
re: #18 oaktree
Sounds like someone living in a delusional dream scape (or nightmare scape). If that was capable of being a complete fabrication - then what reported event could he reasonably be expected to believe within any sort of rational logical framework?
I though he would have at least said they killed the passengers. Instead he went further and said everything was fabricated. And there I was thinking about the families of the dead, the funerals, the memorials. My jaw was at me feet.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:02:52pm |
re: #17 Gus 802
Oh forget about it. You can’t reason with 911 truthers.
Hell, next time, ask him if he tried to use concrete blocks and chicken wire to “prove” that fire couldn’t have brought down the WTC.
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:03:37pm |
re: #23 Mr Pancakes
With the cash registers today they do all the math for you… back in the day, the old registers relied on the operator doing the math… I know I used to get hammered all the time when things didn’t balance right. I remember my boss saying “You guys were off 9 bucks in fucking tax yesterday!”.
It’s a modern til that also appears to be being used for petty cash (which doesn’t help). I couldn’t print the till roll, just balance the evings take over the float.
Money goes in and comes out that doesn’t go through the roll - or apparently have accompanying petty cash vouchers.
I wasn’t happy.
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Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:03:38pm |
Hear ye! Hear ye! To all the 911 truthers out there. It’s been a while — almost 10 years to be exact — but let it be known that I still think you’re all fecking psychos.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:03:49pm |
re: #8 Gus 802
Oh crap. I was talking to an acquaintance of mine and somehow we got on the topic of 911. Long story short, he pull the old “the Pentagon was hit by a missile” routine. I said “you really believe that?” And responded by saying “show me” and I said, “OK I will” and then he said “but I won’t believe it. Finally as I was leaving I asked him, “so what happened with the 757?” And he said “what plane?” A jeez. People, people, people are wacky.
You can’t convince a dedicated Truther. All the photos of aircraft parts on the lawn of the Pentagon? Evidence planted. The the light pole that was clipped by the wing of the plane, smashing Lloyd England’s taxi cab? Planted. And on and on forever.
In many ways, arguing with a Truther is like trying to talk a schizophrenic out of their delusions. You can’t do it. You can show them evidence all day long, and all you’ll get for your trouble is a bunch of assertions that the evidence you’ve provided is fabricated in some way, and that you’re a bleating sheep, or actually part of the global disinformation apparatus.
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:05:18pm |
re: #26 wozzablog
It’s a modern til that also appears to be being used for petty cash (which doesn’t help). I couldn’t print the till roll, just balance the evings take over the float.
Money goes in and comes out that doesn’t go through the roll - or apparently have accompanying petty cash vouchers.
I wasn’t happy.
Hmmm …… There’s some fudge factor there…….. tighten that up.
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Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:05:29pm |
re: #28 negativ
You can’t convince a dedicated Truther. All the photos of aircraft parts on the lawn of the Pentagon? Evidence planted. The the light pole that was clipped by the wing of the plane, smashing Lloyd England’s taxi cab? Planted. And on and on forever.
In many ways, arguing with a Truther is like trying to talk a schizophrenic out of their delusions. You can’t do it. You can show them evidence all day long, and all you’ll get for your trouble is a bunch of assertions that the evidence you’ve provided is fabricated in some way, and that you’re a bleating sheep, or actually part of the global disinformation apparatus.
For sure. I find the whole thing very disturbing.
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TedStriker Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:06:19pm |
re: #28 negativ
You can’t convince a dedicated Truther. All the photos of aircraft parts on the lawn of the Pentagon? Evidence planted. The the light pole that was clipped by the wing of the plane, smashing Lloyd England’s taxi cab? Planted. And on and on forever.
In many ways, arguing with a Truther is like trying to talk a schizophrenic out of their delusions. You can’t do it. You can show them evidence all day long, and all you’ll get for your trouble is a bunch of assertions that the evidence you’ve provided is fabricated in some way, and that you’re a bleating sheep, or actually part of the global disinformation apparatus.
That’s why I think that Birtherism and Trutherism are mostly manifestations of mental illness…some of those folks really should be given a once-over by shrinks.
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Kragar Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:06:45pm |
re: #25 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Hell, next time, ask him if he tried to use concrete blocks and chicken wire to “prove” that fire couldn’t have brought down the WTC.
“We’ll be using lighter fluid to simulate high grade aviation fuel.”
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:06:53pm |
re: #29 Mr Pancakes
Hmmm … There’s some fudge factor there… tighten that up.
Not my system.
I’m only a noob in my second week at this place and saw that SNAFU coming a mile off.
A culture of recepits and IoU’s should not be a hard on for people to have in place.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:08:11pm |
re: #15 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Next time it’s brought up, ask him how that a government so leaky that the New York Times could publish classified info on two CIA anti-terrorism programs could keep the tens of thousands of people necessary to pull off 9/11 quiet for this long.
The response will be that those “leaks” are deliberately-orchestrated theater intended to make you believe that THEY can’t keep a secret.
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:08:41pm |
re: #33 wozzablog
Not my system.
I’m only a noob in my second week at this place and saw that SNAFU coming a mile off.
A culture of recepits and IoU’s should not be a hard on for people to have in place.
Tell your boss…… he might promote you….. who knows?
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:09:21pm |
re: #27 Gus 802
Hear ye! Hear ye! To all the 911 truthers out there. It’s been a while — almost 10 years to be exact — but let it be known that I still think you’re all fecking psychos.
That’s why the get jobs at Fox News.
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:09:35pm |
re: #35 Mr Pancakes
Tell your boss… he might promote you… who knows?
He was standing there and is the one who’s money may have fouled everything up :p
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:10:27pm |
re: #17 Gus 802
Oh forget about it. You can’t reason with 911 truthers.
Agreed……… do not stoop to their level…… this is something not worth debating. They are deranged and delusional.
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Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:10:46pm |
re: #34 negativ
The response will be that those “leaks” are deliberately-orchestrated theater intended to make you believe that THEY can’t keep a secret.
Yeah. It’s all part of one big giant interconnected conspiracy. I’m pretty sure they think Wikileaks is in on it and that everything that was leaked was planned to be leaked. Another “false flag” “psyops” scenarios! Quick! Let’s go eat Cheetos and play D&D!
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Girth Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:11:13pm |
re: #34 negativ
The response will be that those “leaks” are deliberately-orchestrated theater intended to make you believe that THEY can’t keep a secret.
The key to a good conspiracy theorist is the ability to explain anything in terms of furthering the conspiracy.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:11:16pm |
Fox News: Where truthers interview birthers….
Trump Pounds Birth Certificate Issue on Geraldo
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:11:37pm |
re: #37 wozzablog
He was standing there and is the one who’s money may have fouled everything up :p
Welp…… if he’s a man of reason maybe he’ll understand. But that’s kind of tricky.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:12:05pm |
Penn & Teller: Conspiracy Theories are Bullshit
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Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:12:23pm |
re: #41 Killgore Trout
Fox News: Where truthers interview birthers…
Trump Pounds Birth Certificate Issue on Geraldo
Geraldo’s a truther?
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:13:05pm |
re: #42 Mr Pancakes
Welp… if he’s a man of reason maybe he’ll understand. But that’s kind of tricky.
i left this evening with the impression there was nothing on me for what happened, but the til roll will tell the tale.
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Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:13:38pm |
Great. All of the Pentagon surveillance videos on Youtube have been edited by truther wankers.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:14:11pm |
See, this is why I engage in conspiracy theories that are far more believable…like Roswell and Majestic 12.
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Kragar Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:14:54pm |
re: #44 Gus 802
Geraldo’s a truther?
Maybe someone told him the certificate’s buried in a secret vault somewhere.
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:15:44pm |
re: #47 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
See, this is why I engage in conspiracy theories that are far more believable…like Roswell and Majestic 12.
They are conspiracies?
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:17:49pm |
re: #41 Killgore Trout
Fox News: Where truthers interview birthers…
Trump Pounds Birth Certificate Issue on Geraldo
He is, IMHO, just plain frightening.
Geraldo or no.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:18:13pm |
re: #44 Gus 802
Geraldo’s a truther?
Yup.
Geraldo Rivera 911 Truth and WTC Building 7 Controlled Demolition
He even used his fox show to promote it.
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Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:18:18pm |
Then you’ll show them photos of the debris at the Pentagon. Which of course is followed up by “but those were planted”. No way. Can’t get through to truthers. It’s a mental illness.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:18:39pm |
re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Maybe someone told him the certificate’s buried in a secret vault somewhere.
It’s in with Al Capone!
Runs screaming in circles!
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ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:18:40pm |
re: #28 negativ
Reading the Looming Tower, I came to the conclusion that, if the FBI and CIA hadn’t been tripping each other up over the investigation of Bin Laden over bureaucratic cock-fighting, 9/11 would have been foiled.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:19:25pm |
good evening Lizards …. now the chinless opthamologist is blaming …… WAIT FOR IT … the palestinians for the unrest in his country …
[Link: www.ynetnews.com…]
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Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:20:15pm |
re: #51 Killgore Trout
Yup.
Geraldo Rivera 911 Truth and WTC Building 7 Controlled Demolition[Video]
He even used his fox show to promote it.
Ugh. Thanks. I only made 45 seconds. Hilarious, trutherism on Fox News — the “patriotic” news channel.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:20:16pm |
Here are both of Fox’s truthers together….
Geraldo Rivera Confirms: “I’m a 9/11 Truther!”
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ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:20:43pm |
re: #55 _RememberTonyC
With the nasty history of Syria and civil unrest, I could see a purge of every Palestinian in that country happening. That’s hundreds of thousands of people.
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Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:22:03pm |
911 was an inside job. It was concocted and planned inside Afghanistan.
//
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:22:04pm |
re: #55 _RememberTonyC
good evening Lizards … now the chinless opthamologist is blaming … WAIT FOR IT … the palestinians for the unrest in his country …
[Link: www.ynetnews.com…]
Chinless…… that’s funny, and so true.
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Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:22:26pm |
re: #55 _RememberTonyC
good evening Lizards … now the chinless opthamologist is blaming … WAIT FOR IT … the palestinians for the unrest in his country …
[Link: www.ynetnews.com…]
Rand Paul?
//
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:23:31pm |
re: #59 Gus 802
911 was an inside job. It was concocted and planned inside Afghanistan.
//
By Saudis.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:25:32pm |
re: #55 _RememberTonyC
good evening Lizards … now the chinless opthamologist is blaming … WAIT FOR IT … the palestinians for the unrest in his country …
[Link: www.ynetnews.com…]
Wow, I guess they need a scape goat. Somebody they can round up. It’s not like they really care about the Palestinians anyways. They’ve been treating them like garbage for decades.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:25:49pm |
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:25:58pm |
re: #54 ProLifeLiberal
Reading the Looming Tower, I came to the conclusion that, if the FBI and CIA hadn’t been tripping each other up over the investigation of Bin Laden over bureaucratic cock-fighting, 9/11 would have been foiled.
A really good documentary about that is “The Man Who Knew”. You can watch it at that link, and I highly recommend it.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:26:57pm |
re: #60 Mr Pancakes
Chinless… that’s funny, and so true.
Charles is actually the originator of that description, but you are right ….. it really does work.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:27:52pm |
re: #58 ProLifeLiberal
With the nasty history of Syria and civil unrest, I could see a purge of every Palestinian in that country happening. That’s hundreds of thousands of people.
and the UN will yawn
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:28:17pm |
Don’t know if this got picked up by anyone yesterday -
Sean Hannity has debvoted two “great american panels” to defences of birtherism after The Donald went in toupe and all.
[Link: crooksandliars.com…]
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Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:29:39pm |
re: #69 wozzablog
Don’t know if this got picked up by anyone yesterday -
Sean Hannity has debvoted two “great american panels” to defences of birtherism after The Donald went in toupe and all.
[Link: crooksandliars.com…]
Oh brother. More dipshits.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:30:46pm |
re: #64 Killgore Trout
Wow, I guess they need a scape goat. Somebody they can round up. It’s not like they really care about the Palestinians anyways. They’ve been treating them like garbage for decades.
none of the arabs and muslims of the mideast really care about the palestinians ….. all they have ever been useful for is to be a propaganda tool used against the Israelis.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:30:58pm |
9/11 Conspiracy Wars
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Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:31:16pm |
re: #71 _RememberTonyC
none of the arabs and muslims of the mideast really care about the palestinians … all they have ever been useful for is to be a propaganda tool used against the Israelis.
Exactly.
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Girth Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:31:37pm |
re: #69 wozzablog
Don’t know if this got picked up by anyone yesterday -
Sean Hannity has debvoted two “great american panels” to defences of birtherism after The Donald went in toupe and all.
[Link: crooksandliars.com…]
Do Hannity and his callers on his radio show still give each other their little “You’re a Great American” handjob at the start of a call?
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:33:08pm |
freedom of the press and equality of the sexes: hamas style
[Link: www.jpost.com…]
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:33:36pm |
re: #71 _RememberTonyC
none of the arabs and muslims of the mideast really care about the palestinians … all they have ever been useful for is to be a propaganda tool used against the Israelis.
Well, even simpler than that.
The powerful, and those wanting power in the ME - cast the enemy to be Israel and the Jews, thereby instantly shifting the blame for any squalor in the target constituency and requirement for those seeking advancement to do anythng about said squalor.
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Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:33:55pm |
So Fox News has also become the birther channel in addition to a recurring dose of 911 trutherism. Meanwhile Matt Drudge frequently links to Alex Jones’s stories and has a permanent link to Prisonplanet.
Derp.
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TedStriker Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:34:38pm |
re: #77 Gus 802
So Fox News has also become the birther channel in addition to a recurring dose of 911 trutherism. Meanwhile Matt Drudge frequently links to Alex Jones’s stories and has a permanent link to Prisonplanet.
Derp.
The shit gives me a sour stomach and a massive headache…
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:34:51pm |
re: #74 Girth
Do Hannity and his callers on his radio show still give each other their little “You’re a Great American” handjob at the start of a call?
I have no idea, never heard more than a few clips from his radio show.
But as much of a plastic Liberal as Alan Colmes was he kept HAnnity going fully off the deep end on teevee.
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Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:35:11pm |
re: #75 _RememberTonyC
freedom of the press and equality of the sexes: hamas style
[Link: www.jpost.com…]
Someone should alert Dan Rather.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:36:09pm |
re: #76 wozzablog
Well, even simpler than that.
The powerful, and those wanting power in the ME - cast the enemy to be Israel and the Jews, thereby instantly shifting the blame for any squalor in the target constituency and requirement for those seeking advancement to do anythng about said squalor.
also true … one hopes that as many in the arab world toss off the dictators, they also start to see that the lies they’ve been fed over the years also include lies about the Israelis and Jews.
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:36:11pm |
re: #77 Gus 802
So Fox News has also become the birther channel in addition to a recurring dose of 911 trutherism. Meanwhile Matt Drudge frequently links to Alex Jones’s stories and has a permanent link to Prisonplanet.
Derp.
But, you understand, they are only asking questions.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:36:42pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:37:04pm |
re: #81 _RememberTonyC
That will take a couple of generations.
I do think it will happen.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:38:07pm |
re: #84 Floral Giraffe
That will take a couple of generations.
I do think it will happen.
I hope you are right …. and I hope there are no catastrophies in the region before it has a chance to happen.
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Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:38:38pm |
re: #83 _RememberTonyC
LOL
Yeah. Reading that reminded me about that Dan Rather story that came up yesterday. Helps put things in perspective.
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jaunte Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:38:41pm |
re: #69 wozzablog
I missed this back when it happened:
A congressional resolution introduced yesterday by Rep. Neil Abercrombie, D-Hawai’i, commemorating the 50th anniversary of Island statehood was temporarily postponed because birthers objected to a clause noting Obama was born in Hawai’i, said Dave Helfert, an Abercrombie spokesman.The line “Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961;” appeared to be construed by birthers as a thinly veiled attempt to get Congress to affirm Obama’s U.S. citizenship, Helfert said.
As the issue came to a vote yesterday, Minnesota Republican Congresswoman Michele Bachmann rose to object, saying there was not a quorum present.
The House later voted unanimously 378-0 to approve the resolution. Bachmann voted in favor of the resolution.
[Link: the.honoluluadvertiser.com…]
So, Bachmann affirms the president’s citizenship; over to Hannity.
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:39:03pm |
re: #81 _RememberTonyC
also true … one hopes that as many in the arab world toss off the dictators, they also start to see that the lies they’ve been fed over the years also include lies about the Israelis and Jews.
As soon as everyone in the ME realises that what the vast majority of the regions population wants is not to be bombed by anyone else - most of the problem is solved right there.
Small instances of common humanity like self preservation go a long way :p
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:40:33pm |
re: #85 _RememberTonyC
I hope you are right … and I hope there are no catastrophies in the region before it has a chance to happen.
I do wish for a magic wand, to wave for peace, in the middle east.
Their lives could be so much more productive without all of the hate.
WAIT, that works for all of us!
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:42:01pm |
re: #82 wozzablog
But, you understand, they are only asking questions.
I used to defend FOX news, but Mr Ailes has lost me as a customer. I cannot endure another segment with glenn beck, michael schuyer, alex jones, or any of the truly unhinged far right guests they have featured. I still occasionally sample FNC, but never for more than 2 or 3 minutes at a time. I have decided to go with CNN and BBC on the radio. CNN is more or less objective, at least compared to FNC and MSNBC. BBC is decent exdept for its coverage of Israel, which is biased beyond belief.
| 91 |
Wozza Matter? Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:42:05pm |
re: #87 jaunte
I missed this back when it happened:
So, Bachmann affirms the president’s citizenship; over to Hannity.
Hannity is “only asking questions”. Of course.
So many GOP congresmen were birthers it was unbelievable though.
[Link: thinkprogress.org…]
Blogger-activist Mike Stark has been staking out Capitol Hill recently, trying to get Republican congressmen on the record about whether or not they believe President Obama was born in the United States. Only a couple of GOP congressmen were willing to state without reservation that Obama is the legal and constitutional President of the United States. Many others said they “think there are questions” and would “like to see the documents.” Rep. Tom Price (R-GA) began running away from Stark — literally — to avoid answering the question. Another congressman avoided Stark by hiding in a book store and pretending to look at pens
| 92 |
jaunte Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:43:24pm |
re: #91 wozzablog
Rep. Tom Price (R-GA) began running away from Stark — literally — to avoid answering the question. Another congressman avoided Stark by hiding in a book store and pretending to look at pens
‘Profiles in Courage.’
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:44:00pm |
re: #77 Gus 802
So Fox News has also become the birther channel in addition to a recurring dose of 911 trutherism. Meanwhile Matt Drudge frequently links to Alex Jones’s stories and has a permanent link to Prisonplanet.
Derp.
….and we all watched it happen and nobody could stop it. All those lizards who flounced because LGF wasn’t “conservative” enough did so to support the spread JBS and 9-11 conspiracy theories. Even today they still stand by it. Not a damn thing could be done about it.
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Skeetghazi Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:44:20pm |
re: #81 _RememberTonyC
also true … one hopes that as many in the arab world toss off the dictators, they also start to see that the lies they’ve been fed over the years also include lies about the Israelis and Jews.
Well, from the twitter feeds I follow, the youth of these places seem to be aware and I am very very hopeful.
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lostlakehiker Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:45:06pm |
re: #19 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
NYC doesn’t actually exist. Its a media construct created by the Jews.
/
Reminds me of this story.
A delegation of Norks is visiting Seoul in connection with some negotiations. The head Nork collars this SK delegate and remonstrates:
You’re just putting on a show for us. This apparent prosperity is a show, meant to shame and overawe us.
SK delegate shame-faced-ly confesses: you’re onto us. The cars and all are rented from Japan. But what really gave us the most trouble was borrowing their skyscrapers.
dum dum dah dum.
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Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:46:07pm |
re: #93 Killgore Trout
…and we all watched it happen and nobody could stop it. All those lizards who flounced because LGF wasn’t “conservative” enough did so to support the spread JBS and 9-11 conspiracy theories. Even today they still stand by it. Not a damn thing could be done about it.
And many of them are hanging around Barrett Brown.
Derpa-derpa-do!
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:46:10pm |
re: #93 Killgore Trout
…and we all watched it happen and nobody could stop it. All those lizards who flounced because LGF wasn’t “conservative” enough did so to support the spread JBS and 9-11 conspiracy theories. Even today they still stand by it. Not a damn thing could be done about it.
Which confuses the hell out of me to this day, because my memories of the old days were of Truthers getting all but eviscerated and hung with their own entrails for suggesting that Bush was in any way involved in the 3,000 deaths on 9/11. But I guess that was before it became fashionable to believe that the government was the enemy, 10 times out of 10.
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Skeetghazi Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:48:00pm |
re: #91 wozzablog
Hannity is “only asking questions”. Of course.
So many GOP congresmen were birthers it was unbelievable though.
[Link: thinkprogress.org…]
It’s ALL ABOUT DE-LEGITIMIZATION. nothing more. keep planting the he’s not my president bullshit.
gah I hate this shit.
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ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:48:13pm |
re: #81 _RememberTonyC
Unfortunately, Syria is going to be hard to capsize. Al-Asad, I have stated before, has a worse history than Qaddafi. I would go as far as to say that Israel shouldn’t even deal with Syria, even if by some miracle they stopped supporting Hezbollah and let the Golan Heights be. And my opinion about the Golan Heights issue is in a distinct minority on this board, so please don’t give me flak for it.
| 100 |
Skeetghazi Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:50:24pm |
Uh, wow.
VanJones68 Van Jones
@GovMikeHuckabee made me proud tonight 2B fellow person of faith + fellow patriot. We disagreed respectfully. The American way! #tcot #p2
| 101 |
Wozza Matter? Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:50:34pm |
If Bachmann werere: #98 Stanley Sea
It’s ALL ABOUT DE-LEGITIMIZATION. nothing more. keep planting the he’s not my president bullshit.
gah I hate this shit.
On something so rediculous and obvious too.
It’s all been said already - but when i was in the US and saw “Wheres The Birth Certificate?” bumper stickers - i was one more sighting away from carrying around a sharpi and a stencil of the state of Hawaii.
| 102 |
Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:52:15pm |
re: #100 Stanley Sea
Uh, wow.
VanJones68 Van Jones
@GovMikeHuckabee made me proud tonight 2B fellow person of faith + fellow patriot. We disagreed respectfully. The American way! #tcot #p2
Uh oh. Van Jones has been dipping into the Kool Aid again. He better watch out. Tonight he might sign a petition that he’ll forget about come morning.
//
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:53:38pm |
re: #99 ProLifeLiberal
Unfortunately, Syria is going to be hard to capsize. Al-Asad, I have stated before, has a worse history than Qaddafi. I would go as far as to say that Israel shouldn’t even deal with Syria, even if by some miracle they stopped supporting Hezbollah and let the Golan Heights be. And my opinion about the Golan Heights issue is in a distinct minority on this board, so please don’t give me flak for it.
I don’t know your opinion on the Golan, so I won’t give you flak. As for assad, he will shed lots of blood and be supported by the iranians and hezbollah thugs. And he will do most of it outside the glare of publicity. But Syria is a HUGE big deal because if it does fall, it is also a black eye for nasrallah and also the iranians. The stakes there could not be higher.
| 104 |
ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:56:26pm |
re: #103 _RememberTonyC
I say this: No matter what Syria does positive, don’t talk or deal with them. There government was (and presumably is) willing to slaughter tens of thousands to kill much less numerous political opponents. I don’t care who the opponents are, what happened at Hama was in no way justifiable.
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:56:53pm |
re: #103 _RememberTonyC
I don’t know your opinion on the Golan, so I won’t give you flak. As for assad, he will shed lots of blood and be supported by the iranians and hezbollah thugs. And he will do most of it outside the glare of publicity. But Syria is a HUGE big deal because if it does fall, it is also a black eye for nasrallah and also the iranians. The stakes there could not be higher.
Al-Assad’s fall would be welcomed by the Iranians if it meant the Brotherbood could get in.
Syria - if memory serves - is a fairly secular country goverened by the same political “party” that Saddam Hussein (great Iranian friend) was also a leader of.
[Link: www.businessweek.com…]
| 106 |
_RememberTonyC Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:58:22pm |
re: #104 ProLifeLiberal
I say this: No matter what Syria does positive, don’t talk or deal with them. There government was (and presumably is) willing to slaughter tens of thousands to kill much less numerous political opponents. I don’t care who the opponents are, what happened at Hama was in no way justifiable.
Hama was an absolutely hideous atrocity. It was carried out under assad’s father in 1982. but it is the same regime and i agree with you.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:59:44pm |
re: #105 wozzablog
Al-Assad’s fall would be welcomed by the Iranians if it meant the Brotherbood could get in.
Syria - if memory serves - is a fairly secular country goverened by the same political “party” that Saddam Hussein (great Iranian friend) was also a leader of.
[Link: www.businessweek.com…]
word
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:00:13pm |
| 110 |
ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:02:59pm |
re: #106 _RememberTonyC
How many MB’s were in the city exactly? 500? 1000?
Syria is probably the most brutal regime in the MENA region.
| 111 |
_RememberTonyC Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:04:20pm |
re: #110 ProLifeLiberal
How many MB’s were in the city exactly? 500? 1000?
Syria is probably the most brutal regime in the MENA region.
they killed up to 40,000 citizens and used cyanide gas on top of it … Only the rwanda massacres exceeded that level of brutality in recent memory.
| 112 |
BishopX Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:05:00pm |
re: #105 wozzablog
The Arab nationalist movement turned out worse than the religious extremist movement did. Lets hope that ninety years after the fall of the ottoman empire, it’s territories will begin to look to alternative sources of legitimacy.
| 113 |
ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:05:43pm |
re: #111 _RememberTonyC
Bosnia was pretty bad, I recall the total number of dead being around 250,000. Eventually the persecuted fought back though in Rwanda and Bosnia. Syria hasn’t had a good ending.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:05:45pm |
time to say goodnight ….. have a good one Lizards!
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ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:06:29pm |
re: #112 BishopX
Larger regional Federations? Some of these countries are very similar culture wise.
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:07:46pm |
re: #112 BishopX
The Arab nationalist movement turned out worse than the religious extremist movement did. Lets hope that ninety years after the fall of the ottoman empire, it’s territories will begin to look to alternative sources of legitimacy.
I’m of a very old school where in the world of Real Politik - you go for the Genarlissimo over the True Believer.
| 117 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:09:17pm |
re: #17 Gus 802
Oh forget about it. You can’t reason with 911 truthers.
No you can’t. Their theory isn’t about what happened, it’s about their need to attribute things to powerful shadowy factions while feeling superior to the common “sheeple”.
| 118 |
BishopX Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:14:00pm |
re: #115 ProLifeLiberal
That was what the pan arab nationalist movement was all about. Notice how Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Yemen, Sudan and Egypt all have Ba’ath parties?
The only enduring political movements draw legitimacy from the people. That takes time to build. Larger regional federations, religious scholarship and military power all produce relatively ephemeral governments.
| 119 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:19:37pm |
re: #94 Stanley Sea
Well, from the twitter feeds I follow, the youth of these places seem to be aware and I am very very hopeful.
@acarvin is probably the most interesting feed I follow at the moment.
[Link: www.google.com…]
Also:
@sarahraslan
@NickKristof
@Egyptocracy
| 120 |
Achilles Tang Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:23:45pm |
re: #105 wozzablog
Al-Assad’s fall would be welcomed by the Iranians if it meant the Brotherbood could get in.
Some thoughts I have:
It seems to me that much of the basis to these revolutions are tribal conflicts as much as the specific behavior of any given ruler. Tribalisms also tend to have sectarian dimensions, but I think the tribe comes first.
Iraq is tribal and was under Saddam. Libya is tribal. Syria is tribal. Bahrain is sectarian, but I suspect also tribal, as is Saudi, or for that matter any rule by a “royal” family, which is a tribe. Tunisia, Morocco, Algeria I know less of, but I think have common issues. Even Lebanon which in many ways has been the most cosmopolitan and international (and best food) of them all, suffers from the same problems.
Some of these are or were worse rulers than others, but all result in a privileged ruling class, typically identifiable by family name alone (as are the ruled, like that woman in Libya yesterday). Egypt may be somewhat the exception due to longer history; much longer history. The other “nations” were artificially created only a few generations ago, out of groups of semi nomadic tribes.
However, there are no inherently “bad” tribes. They are still the same peoples, so why should one expect one tribe (or temporary group) that takes power to be better than that before?
Right now the revolutionaries seem cohesive because they operate under the maxim that “my enemy’s enemy is my friend”, but that is not a stable unifying political concept.
It seems to me that the one potentially unifying power is Islam if in a form that minimizes the sectarian bigotries, and the one organization I have heard of that may be capable of that is the Muslim Brotherhood, whose name is well chosen in that regard.
I am not entirely optimistic in where all this will lead, although I don’t necessarily think it need be worse than perpetual family dictatorships.
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:36:19pm |
re: #120 Naso Tang
Some thoughts I have:
It seems to me that much of the basis to these revolutions are tribal conflicts as much as the specific behavior of any given ruler. Tribalisms also tend to have sectarian dimensions, but I think the tribe comes first.
Iraq is tribal and was under Saddam. Libya is tribal. Syria is tribal. Bahrain is sectarian, but I suspect also tribal, as is Saudi, or for that matter any rule by a “royal” family, which is a tribe. Tunisia, Morocco, Algeria I know less of, but I think have common issues. Even Lebanon which in many ways has been the most cosmopolitan and international (and best food) of them all, suffers from the same problems.
Some of these are or were worse rulers than others, but all result in a privileged ruling class, typically identifiable by family name alone (as are the ruled, like that woman in Libya yesterday). Egypt may be somewhat the exception due to longer history; much longer history. The other “nations” were artificially created only a few generations ago, out of groups of semi nomadic tribes.
However, there are no inherently “bad” tribes. They are still the same peoples, so why should one expect one tribe (or temporary group) that takes power to be better than that before?
Right now the revolutionaries seem cohesive because they operate under the maxim that “my enemy’s enemy is my friend”, but that is not a stable unifying political concept.
It seems to me that the one potentially unifying power is Islam if in a form that minimizes the sectarian bigotries, and the one organization I have heard of that may be capable of that is the Muslim Brotherhood, whose name is well chosen in that regard.
I am not entirely optimistic in where all this will lead, although I don’t necessarily think it need be worse than perpetual family dictatorships.
Good post - i will try to remember to reply when it isn’t 3:35am and have more cognisence. :)
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