Pastor Hagee’s Rapture Novel Goes Hollywood

Crazed fundamentalist End Times paranoia with special FX
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Coming soon to a theater near you: the film adaptation of Pastor John Hagee’s best-selling End Times novel, “Jerusalem Countdown.”

Yes, really.

Featuring Stacy Keach and Lee Majors, who have discovered the elephant’s graveyard of filmmaking.

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Looks like good clean CGI fun — except that the intended audience actually believes this is going to happen in the real world.

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726 comments
1 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:02:18pm

wait - wait - i'm still here............. NOOOO!!!!!!

Hey - wait - so i get my neighbours speedboat and his adulterous wife?.

This may not be so bad after all........

2 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:02:26pm

I like Anita Baker's version better

Youtube Video
3 Girth  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:02:50pm

Yay Christian End-Times Pr0n!

4 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:04:56pm

Rapture!
Can I have your car?

5 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:05:00pm

Yeah, Hollywood's got the money to make this, meanwhile the big-screen adaptation of World War Z languishes due to lack of funds.

6 jaunte  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:05:02pm

There's David A. R. White, from 1999's Murdercycle!

7 Girth  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:05:37pm

I demand the talents of Kirk Cameron be brought to bear on any such project!

8 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:05:38pm

With Weapons!
WOOT!

9 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:05:51pm

Left Behind: Episode 1?

10 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:06:44pm

I heard a lot of Islamaphobic dialogue there. Seriously, if one were to have been worried about "the end of the world" we just went through that with the Cold War and the Soviet Union. Anyway, lots of winger pablum with this B-movie.

11 Kragar  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:06:59pm

Rapture fantasy with Muslim terrorists and a Government Conspiracy hiding it from the people?

Its like Glenn Beck wet dream.

12 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:08:01pm

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rapture fantasy with Muslim terrorists and a Government Conspiracy hiding it from the people?

Its like Glenn Beck wet dream.

The shitty acting really sells it for me.

13 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:09:02pm

re: #12 JasonA

The shitty acting really sells it for me.

What about the 80s style CGI?

14 Kragar  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:09:28pm

re: #12 JasonA

The shitty acting really sells it for me.

Its like one of those shitty scifi channel movies made for wingnuts.

15 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:10:40pm

re: #13 Gus 802

What about the 80s style CGI?

Nice product placement with them using a Blackberry Pearl to set the bomb off, too...

16 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:11:22pm

re: #15 JasonA

Nice product placement with them using a Blackberry Pearl to set the bomb off, too...

But don't covet it it - whatever you do.

17 Girth  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:11:37pm

re: #15 JasonA

Nice product placement with them using a Blackberry Pearl to set the bomb off, too...

Well, Blackberries are the spawn of Satan...

18 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:11:44pm

re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its like one of those shitty scifi channel movies made for wingnuts.

Putting those ideas together renews my hopes for a Zombie Jesus movie.

19 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:11:45pm

I can't see anything. Just a black box. I'm using Firefox 4.

20 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:12:33pm

re: #17 Girth

Well, Blackberries are the spawn of Satan...

Well duh. I mean, they come from Canada...

21 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:13:44pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

I can't see anything. Just a black box. I'm using Firefox 4.

Then, apparently, God has smiled upon you.

22 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:15:19pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

I can't see anything. Just a black box. I'm using Firefox 4.

You have not been chosen.

:(

23 aagcobb  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:16:05pm

Lee Majors and Stacy Keach aren't dead yet?

24 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:16:15pm

re: #20 JasonA

Well duh. I mean, they come from Canada...

Would they need to come from a Muslim country to be that, or does Canada "worship Islam", to use the wingnut phrasing.

25 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:17:30pm

re: #23 aagcobb

Lee Majors and Stacy Keach aren't dead yet?

Or weren't summoned.

26 Kragar  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:17:44pm

re: #23 aagcobb

Lee Majors and Stacy Keach aren't dead yet?

They have the technology...

27 aagcobb  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:17:54pm

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

If you asked Herman Cain, I'm sure he would say Canada has adopted sharia law, just like the rest of Europe.
/

28 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:20:33pm

re: #27 aagcobb

If you asked Herman Cain, I'm sure he would say Canada has adopted sharia law, just like the rest of Europe.
/

My sister goes for her mandatory Burkha fitting tomorrow.

I don't mind, really, but it's the little things like her not being able to drive herself anymore, being her chaufferur these days really cuts into my pre-prayer teevee rundown viewing.

29 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:20:53pm

Could never get into the whole religious "end of the world" biz. I'm more of a "zombie apocalypse" kinda guy.

30 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:20:58pm

Question for the group, since I switched to Firefox 4, its reloading the entire page and starting at the top when ever I post a comment. Any ideas?

31 Kragar  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:21:16pm

There was actually a pretty cool RPG in the early 90s called "The End." The basis was that the rapture occurred, God had closed the door to Heaven, and the character's were all the survivors.

32 darthstar  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:21:29pm

Lee Majors? That fucker's still alive? Today, a six million dollar man is simply someone with a pre-existing condition who doesn't have health insurance.

33 jaunte  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:22:50pm

re: #29 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Could never get into the whole religious "end of the world" biz. I'm more of a "zombie apocalypse" kinda guy.

Maybe someone will make a sci-fi movie where the rapture happens because the aliens have a specific taste for smug brains.

34 dragonfire1981  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:23:02pm

There's a group at my church that has been trying to get the whole congregation to go see this. I dislike a lot of Christian movies because a lot of the time they come off as too cheesy or they feature subpar actors. Not really a great way to get a message across.

35 Egregious Philbin  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:23:13pm

Wow, they couldn't get Tim Thomerson, Ted McGinley, or Larry Storch?

36 Kragar  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:24:11pm

re: #35 Egregious Philbin

Wow, they couldn't get Tim Thomerson, Ted McGinley, or Larry Storch?

Lorenzo Lamas was booked already.

37 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:25:00pm

What's a "a converted Israeli Mossad Agent"? Converted from what?

Synopsis: With the Middle East in turmoil, Israelʼs preeminent Ally is thrust into an impending war— America is now the target as the battle for Jerusalem begins. Adapted from the Best Selling Book by Pastor John Hagee, JERUSALEM COUNTDOWN highlights the reality of an inevitable conflict between Israel and Islam. When nuclear weapons are smuggled into America, Senior FBI Agent, Shane Daughtry (David A.R White) is faced with an impossible task—find them before they are detonated. The clock is ticking and the only people who can help are a washed up arms dealer (Lee Majors), a converted Israeli Mossad Agent (Stacy Keach) and a by- the-book CIA Deputy Director played by Randy Travis. Nuclear holocaust on American soil threatens global stability and the impending destruction of the world is coming to fruition, in this film of international terror and suspense. Also featuring Nick Jameson, Jaci Velasquez, Marco Khan, Carey Scott, and Anna Zielinski.

The prelude to Armageddon has begun…

38 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:25:07pm

re: #29 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Could never get into the whole religious "end of the world" biz. I'm more of a "zombie apocalypse" kinda guy.

Robot uprising, myself.

39 darthstar  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:25:09pm

Cool! These end-timers imagine The Big Suck just like I do! Like a fireworks show without the explosions. Just all the people I find annoying disappearing in a flash of light. Fuck yeah!

40 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:25:33pm

re: #28 wozzablog

My sister goes for her mandatory Burkha fitting tomorrow.

I don't mind, really, but it's the little things like her not being able to drive herself anymore, being her chaufferur these days really cuts into my pre-prayer teevee rundown viewing.


This schtick is all 100% recycled material gleaned from my Muslim friends after they are subjected to Melanie Phillips :p

41 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:25:36pm

re: #33 jaunte

Maybe someone will make a sci-fi movie where the rapture happens because the aliens have a specific taste for smug brains.

Think they already made that movie, called it Skyline.

42 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:26:22pm

Oh. What a bunch of assholes. This is from the official Twitter account:

@JerusalemMovie Jerusalem Countdown
Call FOX NEWS and tell them to look up Jerusalem Countdown...the movie that muslims don't want you to see!

43 Kragar  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:26:28pm

re: #38 negativ

Robot uprising, myself.

Superflu, sans Man in Black

44 What, me worry?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:26:57pm

re: #37 Gus 802

What's a "a converted Israeli Mossad Agent"? Converted from what?

Converted from Mike Hammer?

45 engineer cat  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:27:16pm

moose temptations by jell-o?

personally, i would never tempt a moose

46 What, me worry?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:27:30pm

re: #39 darthstar

Cool! These end-timers imagine The Big Suck just like I do! Like a fireworks show without the explosions. Just all the people I find annoying disappearing in a flash of light. Fuck yeah!

I'm planning on blogging the Armageddon, just so you know.

47 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:27:50pm

re: #34 dragonfire1981

There's a group at my church that has been trying to get the whole congregation to go see this. I dislike a lot of Christian movies because a lot of the time they come off as too cheesy or they feature subpar actors. Not really a great way to get a message across.

With endeavors like these, it is never about getting a message across to anyone. It's about getting rich by fleecing a ready-made audience.

So it ever was, so it ever shall be...

48 darthstar  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:28:12pm

re: #42 Gus 802

Oh. What a bunch of assholes. This is from the official Twitter account:

@JerusalemMovie Jerusalem Countdown
Call FOX NEWS and tell them to look up Jerusalem Countdown...the movie that muslims don't want you to see!

In other words...free publicity! We'll go broke if Fox doesn't pick us up and sell us! And if the Big Suck doesn't happen, we'll be poor!

49 Kragar  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:29:01pm

re: #46 marjoriemoon

I'm planning on blogging the Armageddon, just so you know.

I got the music set aside already

Youtube Video
50 What, me worry?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:29:07pm

re: #47 Slumbering Behemoth

With endeavors like these, it is never about getting a message across to anyone. It's about getting rich by fleecing a ready-made audience.

So it ever was, so it ever shall be...

God bless America, dude!

51 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:29:09pm

re: #43 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Superflu, sans Man in Black

Come now, where's the fun in such an apocalypse without Randall Flagg?

52 darthstar  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:29:36pm

re: #46 marjoriemoon

I'm planning on blogging the Armageddon, just so you know.

Well, if I stop commenting you'll know I screwed up when I feigned salvation to impress a jesus freak girl I had a crush on in the 9th grade and actually got saved.

53 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:29:46pm

Jews believe the Mashiach will come and bring a lasting Peace on earth.

54 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:30:08pm

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

Question for the group, since I switched to Firefox 4, its reloading the entire page and starting at the top when ever I post a comment. Any ideas?

idea the first:
disable all add-ons, see if it behaves normally. If so, re-enable one by one until the culprit is found.

idea the second, less tedious but more painful:
(assuming Windows 7 / Vista , other OS's have different procedures)
BACK UP YOUR BOOKMARKS (bookmarks -> show all bookmarks -> import and backup)
Close Firefox
then delete C:UsersYOUR_USER_NAME_HEREAppDataLocalMozillaFirefoxProfiles
Restart Firefox
import/restore bookmarks
profit

55 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:30:15pm

re: #44 marjoriemoon

Converted from Mike Hammer?

No, Sgt. Stedenko...

;-P

56 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:31:22pm

re: #50 marjoriemoon

Rubes are not necessarily unique to America, but yes it does seem we have more than our fair share at times.

57 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:31:36pm

re: #42 Gus 802

Oh. What a bunch of assholes. This is from the official Twitter account:

@JerusalemMovie Jerusalem Countdown
Call FOX NEWS and tell them to look up Jerusalem Countdown...the movie that muslims don't want you to see!

Oh, brother...talk about shameless self-promotion.

58 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:31:36pm

re: #42 Gus 802

Oh. What a bunch of assholes. This is from the official Twitter account:

@JerusalemMovie Jerusalem Countdown
Call FOX NEWS and tell them to look up Jerusalem Countdown...the movie that muslims don't want you to see!

Not even a dogwhistle there, just open religious bigotry. Morris Dees is going to have field day with this one.

59 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:31:37pm

Huh?

@JerusalemMovie Jerusalem Countdown
Libyia + Japan + Afganistan = Jerusalem Countdown? Do you think this movie will bring its fair share of bad publicity?

60 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:31:37pm

So the plot is that some people disappear and then everything is back to normal?

61 What, me worry?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:31:48pm

re: #53 Alouette

Jews believe the Mashiach will come and bring a lasting Peace on earth.

There really is no action packed movie in that scenario.

62 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:31:55pm

re: #49 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I got the music set aside already

[Video]

Me too..... not as lofty as Tool.

Youtube Video
63 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:31:56pm

re: #37 Gus 802

What's a "a converted Israeli Mossad Agent"? Converted from what?

These evangelical shmucks con one stupid Jewsie into their craptastic shit and they wave it around like some big trophy.

64 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:32:28pm

re: #45 engineer dog

moose temptations by jell-o?

personally, i would never tempt a moose

A Møøse once bit my sister

65 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:32:41pm

re: #63 Alouette

These evangelical shmucks con one stupid Jewsie into their craptastic shit and they wave it around like some big trophy.

That's what I was thinking. Perhaps one of Anne Coulter's "perfected Jews" so to speak.

66 What, me worry?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:32:42pm

re: #55 talon_262

No, Sgt. Stedenko...

;-P

Oh, much better and more appropriate for this blog! lol

67 darthstar  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:32:42pm

re: #53 Alouette

Jews believe the Mashiach will come and bring a lasting Peace on earth.

Lasting peace? You try to film two hours of lasting peace and make half your investment back at the box office.

68 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:32:51pm

re: #61 marjoriemoon

There really is no action packed movie in that scenario.

Bunch of peace, sooo boring dudes.

69 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:33:18pm

re: #64 negativ

A Møøse once bit my sister

No realli! She was Karving her initials on the møøse
with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush given
her by Svenge - her brother-in-law - an Oslo dentist and
star of many Norwegian møvies: "The Høt Hands of an Oslo
Dentist", "Fillings of Passion", "The Huge Mølars of Horst
Nordfink"...

70 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:34:00pm

re: #67 darthstar

Lasting peace? You try to film two hours of lasting peace and make half your investment back at the box office.

French arthouse, just with less sex.

71 BishopX  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:34:15pm

re: #63 Alouette

Exhibit A of Shmuckdom: Jews for Jesus

72 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:34:41pm

re: #71 BishopX

Exhibit A of Shmuckdom: Jews for Jesus

Schmucks or putzes...you decide!

73 darthstar  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:35:08pm

re: #60 Naso Tang

So the plot is that some people disappear and then everything is back to normal?

It's a winner of a story! All the cool people get left behind with guns and shit...and enough assholes are left behind to give them someone to kill...in god's name, of course.

74 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:35:39pm

re: #69 talon_262

No realli! She was Karving her initials on the møøse
with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush given
her by Svenge - her brother-in-law - an Oslo dentist and
star of many Norwegian møvies: "The Høt Hands of an Oslo
Dentist", "Fillings of Passion", "The Huge Mølars of Horst
Nordfink"...

We apologise for the fault in the subtitles. Those responsible have
been sacked.

75 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:35:48pm

re: #54 negativ

idea the first:
disable all add-ons, see if it behaves normally. If so, re-enable one by one until the culprit is found.

idea the second, less tedious but more painful:
(assuming Windows 7 / Vista , other OS's have different procedures)
BACK UP YOUR BOOKMARKS (bookmarks -> show all bookmarks -> import and backup)
Close Firefox
then delete C:UsersYOUR_USER_NAME_HEREAppDataLocalMozilla FirefoxProfiles
Restart Firefox
import/restore bookmarks
profit

Trying now.

76 Bear  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:36:18pm

OT
Just back from a Sunday drive. It was nice to get away from all the grim news and the kook postings. Along the way I saw some "cheep" gas and diesel posted at a station. Regular was $5.40 and diesel $5.77. Too bad I did not need any./////

77 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:36:36pm

Kind of like those "Tribulation" LaHaye books. I started reading them. Then started thinking, "Hey, this is shitty writing."

Not because I don't like Christianity (I am a Christian), but because I dislike shitty writing.

I'm guessing this movie'll be this years "Hurt Locker". Well, no, it probably won't.

78 What, me worry?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:36:53pm

re: #71 BishopX

Exhibit A of Shmuckdom: Jews for Jesus

This is the counter group.

[Link: www.jewsforjudaism.org...]

79 Girth  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:37:19pm

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

Trying now.

idea the third:

Download Google Chrome

80 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:37:19pm

re: #54 negativ

Method 1 didn't work. I still have Windows XP.

81 What, me worry?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:37:31pm

re: #73 darthstar

It's a winner of a story! All the cool people get left behind with guns and shit...and enough assholes are left behind to give them someone to kill...in god's name, of course.

Well it does seem to be original as End of Times movies go.

82 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:38:20pm

re: #77 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Kind of like those "Tribulation" LaHaye books. I started reading them. Then started thinking, "Hey, this is shitty writing."

Not because I don't like Christianity (I am a Christian), but because I dislike shitty writing.

I'm guessing this movie'll be this years "Hurt Locker". Well, no, it probably won't.

More like any movie by Uwe Boll, who is famous for turning video games into craptastic piece of shit movies....

83 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:38:30pm

re: #81 marjoriemoon

Well it does seem to be original as End of Times movies go.

BUY GOLD!
//
Sorry, couldn't resist.

84 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:38:39pm

re: #72 talon_262

Schmucks or putzes...you decide!

No, just a shitpile of stupid.

I get their propaganda in my P.O. Box all the time. "Look, this Jew was dumb enough to fall for our con! So all the rest of you Jews should too!"

People in Crown Heights freak out when they get this crap in the mail. Me, I just smile to myself, what kind of really stupid assholes spend tons of their own cash to send postal Spam, and dump it in the trash can on my way out of the post office.

85 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:39:19pm

re: #82 talon_262

More like any movie by Uwe Boll, who is famous for turning video games into craptastic piece of shit movies...

We do not speak that name here!

/

86 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:39:57pm

Beddy bye time for me.

87 Kragar  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:40:07pm

re: #82 talon_262

More like any movie by Uwe Boll, who is famous for turning video games into craptastic piece of shit movies...

So you don't think Tara Reid fit the bill as a noted archaeologist/gun toting adventurer?

88 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:40:35pm

Christian fundamentalists for atheists!

//

89 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:40:36pm

re: #84 Alouette

No, just a shitpile of stupid.

I get their propaganda in my P.O. Box all the time. "Look, this Jew was dumb enough to fall for our con! So all the rest of you Jews should too!"

People in Crown Heights freak out when they get this crap in the mail. Me, I just smile to myself, what kind of really stupid assholes spend tons of their own cash to send postal Spam, and dump it in the trash can on my way out of the post office.

You should do the old trick of attaching any prepaid return envelopes they send in their crap around a brick, then dropping it in the mail...

;-P

90 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:41:30pm

re: #80 Dark_Falcon

Method 1 didn't work. I still have Windows XP.

See if this leads anywhere:

[Link: support.mozilla.com...]

91 HappyBenghazi  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:41:59pm

Ah Hagee, he of the Jews deserved the Holocaust fame and the Roman Catholic Church is the whore of babylon.

92 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:42:19pm

re: #88 Gus 802

Christian fundamentalists for atheists!

//

Militant American Secular Leftists for Sharia!

93 HappyBenghazi  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:43:08pm

re: #92 wozzablog

Militant American Secular Leftists for Sharia!

American Pork & Beer Lovers Sharia Support Association :)

94 jaunte  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:43:10pm

re: #87 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So you don't think Tara Reid fit the bill as a noted archaeologist/gun toting adventurer?

I had to look that up, and found this review:

...this pondering all stopped once I concluded that director Uwe ("House of the Dead") Boll must have been drunk during the entire filming and editing process. Either that or the German doesn't speak any English at all and was communicating everything to cast and crew using hand signals. It's also possible that the script was in German, although I now am convinced that Tara Reid is fluent in seven different languages and can also communicate with deaf people, so I think she should have been able to translate or at least figure out most of the Latin root words and make an educated guess about the overall meaning.

There was also this incredibly interesting nugget of wisdom from Carnby (or some other character -- who cares?): "Fear is what protects you from the things you don't believe in." Trying to figure that out kept me going for like a couple of hours and the movie is only 90 minutes long.
[Link: www.mrcranky.com...]

95 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:44:16pm

re: #93 HappyWarrior

American Pork & Beer Lovers Sharia Support Association :)

somebody pleasseee give that to Bachmann and tell her it's a real group...........

96 Girth  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:44:18pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

Ah Hagee, he of the Jews deserved the Holocaust fame and the Roman Catholic Church is the whore of babylon.

Hey...at least he swings for the fences.

97 HappyBenghazi  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:45:10pm

re: #96 Girth

Hey...at least he swings for the fences.

Yeah, he's honest about the fact he could care less about the Jewish people.

98 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:45:54pm

They should have gotten Tarrantino to direct. Maybe David Lynch as second choice.

99 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:46:07pm

re: #96 Girth

Hey...at least he swings for the fences.

Dumb all over, a little ugly on the side.

100 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:46:48pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

Ah Hagee, he of the Jews deserved the Holocaust fame and the Roman Catholic Church is the whore of babylon.

In other words, a piece-of-shit fundamentalist "Christian", who is acting like anything other than a Christian, IMO.

101 HappyBenghazi  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:47:11pm

re: #95 wozzablog

somebody pleasseee give that to Bachmann and tell her it's a real group...

Wouldn't tbat be more Peter King's interest since he is the one investigating the "Islamization of America." The hilarious thing to me about those who fear Sharia are those who live in areas with very little Muslims. As someone I know pointed out, even if American Muslims wanted to do sharia, it would never happen. Come on, they think we're going to give up our beer and sausages without a fight. You can pry my beer from my ice cold hands.

102 HappyBenghazi  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:48:08pm

re: #100 talon_262

In other words, a piece-of-shit fundamentalist "Christian", who is acting like anything other than a Christian, IMO.

Honestly, I think he should be despised for the bigot he is. One of the few things Bill Donohue and I agree on is that Hagee is scum.

103 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:48:46pm

lee majors lol

104 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:48:56pm

These morons should be more concerned about Ahmadinejad and not Islam.

105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:49:04pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

But, aren't your fingers greasy from the sausages?

106 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:50:37pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

Wouldn't tbat be more Peter King's interest since he is the one investigating the "Islamization of America." The hilarious thing to me about those who fear Sharia are those who live in areas with very little Muslims. As someone I know pointed out, even if American Muslims wanted to do sharia, it would never happen. Come on, they think we're going to give up our beer and sausages without a fight. You can pry my beer from my ice cold hands.

The people perpetrating the farago - insist that the erupeans/canadians/americans in line with importing religious Sharia law are godless secular militants............. thats where my thought process ends on that one.

107 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:51:00pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

The hilarious thing to me about those who fear Sharia are those who live in areas with very little Muslims.

Is dwarfism statistically more prominent among populations likely to be Muslim? This could be a whole new area of study.

108 Girth  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:51:48pm

re: #107 negativ

Is dwarfism statistically more prominent among populations likely to be Muslim? This could be a whole new area of study.

lol....excellent

109 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:51:53pm

re: #107 negativ

Is dwarfism statistically more prominent among populations likely to be Muslim? This could be a whole new area of study.

*snickers*

110 HappyBenghazi  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:52:04pm

re: #107 negativ

Is dwarfism statistically more prominent among populations likely to be Muslim? This could be a whole new area of study.

Well played, well played.

111 abolitionist  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:54:15pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

I can't see anything. Just a black box. I'm using Firefox 4.

Firefox 4 here too. Scroll down a bit. If you see YouTube near lower right corner, click on that.

112 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:54:32pm

Most Americans Ok With A Mosque In Their Community - CNN poll.

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

113 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:57:32pm

After hearing some of the sick anti-semitic stuff leaking out from the right, including all the not so subtle cues in this trailer, I am starting to think that many christian conservatives don't support the Jewish people of Israel at all. If they don't support the Jewish people then that leads me to believe that they support Israel:

A) As a way keep the other Abrahamic religions fighting.
B) To bring about the apocalypse.

114 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:58:14pm

re: #112 wozzablog

Most Americans Ok With A Mosque In Their Community - CNN poll.

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

And before anyone asks - i don't know if they were OK in Oklahoma.

115 cat-tikvah  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:58:20pm

Well, if they're going to make any money off this film I guess they better get all their publicity done before May 21, right? And no second wave of DVD or Blu-Ray sales or reruns on cable TV over the summer. Unless those of us who are still here buy it.

116 jaunte  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:58:42pm

re: #113 prononymous

Dial the crazy all the way to B), and you've got it.

117 Kragar  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:58:49pm

re: #113 prononymous

After hearing some of the sick anti-semitic stuff leaking out from the right, including all the not so subtle cues in this trailer, I am starting to think that many christian conservatives don't support the Jewish people of Israel at all. If they don't support the Jewish people then that leads me to believe that they support Israel:

A) As a way keep the other Abrahamic religions fighting.
B) To bring about the apocalypse.

Its mostly B. Israel has to exist so it can be destroyed in accordance with their prophecy.

118 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:59:09pm

re: #113 prononymous

It's B.

119 Girth  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:59:12pm

re: #113 prononymous

Unfortunately I think B) is correct.

120 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:59:28pm

re: #113 prononymous

After hearing some of the sick anti-semitic stuff leaking out from the right, including all the not so subtle cues in this trailer, I am starting to think that many christian conservatives don't support the Jewish people of Israel at all. If they don't support the Jewish people then that leads me to believe that they support Israel:

A) As a way keep the other Abrahamic religions fighting.
B) To bring about the apocalypse.

The far right and a nunch of social/theo-cons only support Israel as a means to their own end.

Israel has to exist for End Times theology to come true.

It's a sick perversion of trust and support.

121 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:59:56pm

re: #117 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its mostly B. Israel has to exist so it can be destroyed in accordance with their prophecy.

Yep. Then get a ride on the "rapture mobile" all the way to heaven.

122 What, me worry?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:00:13pm

re: #117 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its mostly B. Israel has to exist so it can be destroyed in accordance with their prophecy.

Regis, I'd like to use one of my life lines.

123 prairiefire  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:00:14pm

re: #113 prononymous

I think the fundies see them as a stepping stone to the Great Beyond. If the Jews don't become "perfected", oh well.

124 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:00:37pm

re: #115 cat-tikvah

I'll pick my copy from the ruins, then use it for target practice.

125 Kragar  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:01:29pm

re: #115 cat-tikvah

Well, if they're going to make any money off this film I guess they better get all their publicity done before May 21, right? And no second wave of DVD or Blu-Ray sales or reruns on cable TV over the summer. Unless those of us who are still here buy it.

Milton Auglund: Well I predict that the world will end at the stroke of midnight on New Year's Eve.
Dr. Peter Venkman: This year?
Milton Auglund: MmHmm.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Well that's cutting it a little bit close, isn't it? I mean, just from a sales point of view, I mean your book is just coming out, you're not gonna see any paperback sales for at least a year. It'll be at least another year before you know whether you've got that mini-series or movie of the week kind of possibilities. I mean just Devil's Advocate Milty! I mean shouldn't you have said: Hey the worlds going to end in 1992! Or better yet 1994!

126 What, me worry?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:01:47pm

re: #120 wozzablog

The far right and a nunch of social/theo-cons only support Israel as a means to their own end.

Israel has to exist for End Times theology to come true.

It's a sick perversion of trust and support.

The way I figure it, one of us is going to be right. And I think it's me. So i don't particularly get to far into it.

I do like End Times movies, but I think this one would just make me cranky.

127 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:02:06pm

10 bucks says this movie will not be shown in Israel.

128 HappyBenghazi  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:02:14pm

If I were Jewish, I'd be really skeptical of Christian fundamentalists who claim to support Israel. It seems not to come from any great love or respect for the Jewish people but a perverted religious feeling. I consider myself a supporter of Israel for largely secular reasons. Israel is a secular democracy that treats its women, gays & lesbians, & other miorities with dignity. They've also been a strong ally throughout the years. I don't like those who attempt to make "Zionism" in to a bad word.

129 Lidane  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:02:51pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

They should have gotten Tarrantino to direct. Maybe David Lynch as second choice.

Pfft. David Cronenberg FTW. If anyone can crank out the disturbing imagery, it's Cronenberg.

130 Girth  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:03:27pm

I have an aunt who wears a Star of David with the name Jesus inside of it. From what I have personally heard her and her husband say about end-times prophecy, I have no doubt that her support of Israel is based on the belief that Israel and the Jewish people are keys to the return of Christ.

131 freetoken  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:03:29pm

The dispensationalists' apocalyptic fantasies arose in the early 20th century, as American Christianity became less and less "Reformed" and more emotionally based. It came along as part of the rise of what we think of today as "fundamentalism" - a movement to reject critical (academic) analysis of the Bible and various doctrines.

Part of it was also anti-Catholicism, but that has faded over the years.

Ultimately it (dispensational apocalypticism) is nothing more than an escapist fantasy, one engaged in by many over the centuries by those who want to escape their situation.

It's just one more nail in the GOP coffin when one realizes that the leading candidates for the GOP nomination believe this stuff.

132 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:03:51pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

If I were Jewish, I'd be really skeptical of Christian fundamentalists who claim to support Israel. It seems not to come from any great love or respect for the Jewish people but a perverted religious feeling. I consider myself a supporter of Israel for largely secular reasons. Israel is a secular democracy that treats its women, gays & lesbians, & other miorities with dignity. They've also been a strong ally throughout the years. I don't like those who attempt to make "Zionism" in to a bad word.

That the other thing too. Israel is very progressive in many respects and a complete opposite of the American religious right.

133 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:04:22pm

re: #126 marjoriemoon

The way I figure it, one of us is going to be right. And I think it's me. So i don't particularly get to far into it.

I do like End Times movies, but I think this one would just make me cranky.

By the time one side or another emerges victorious - I will have been worm food a very very very long time

People can have at whatever they want to have at at.

134 b_snark  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:04:24pm

Something incredibly witty about raptured 9/11 troofers and birfers.

135 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:05:51pm

re: #134 b_sharp

Something incredibly witty about raptured 9/11 troofers and birfers.

Fools and their survival seeds are soon parted?.

136 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:05:55pm

re: #133 wozzablog

By the time one side or another emerges victorious - I will have been worm food a very very very long time

People can have at whatever they want to have at at.

I won't be worm food.

Unless worms eat ashes.

137 Girth  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:06:12pm

I might have to have an end of the world party on May 21st.

138 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:06:51pm

re: #136 Mr Pancakes

I won't be worm food.

Unless worms eat ashes.

My bio-degradeable urn is going in the ground.

139 What, me worry?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:07:04pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

If I were Jewish, I'd be really skeptical of Christian fundamentalists who claim to support Israel. It seems not to come from any great love or respect for the Jewish people but a perverted religious feeling. I consider myself a supporter of Israel for largely secular reasons. Israel is a secular democracy that treats its women, gays & lesbians, & other miorities with dignity. They've also been a strong ally throughout the years. I don't like those who attempt to make "Zionism" in to a bad word.

Anti-Zionism is beginning to replace Anti-Semitic as the new buzz word so you don't have to look like a bigot.

But I don't think Jews pay a lot of attention to End of the World prophecy. It's not our story. Israel is also the birthplace of Christianity so it's respected even if we have different beliefs.

140 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:07:07pm

re: #127 Gus 802

10 bucks says this movie will not be shown in Israel.

20 bucks says that this movie doesn't get shown by major chains here. It's going to draw more protests than you can shake a stick at.

141 HappyBenghazi  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:07:41pm

re: #132 Gus 802

That the other thing too. Israel is very progressive in many respects and a complete opposite of the American religious right.

Yeah, you know when I argued for allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military, I always pointed out that the Israelis have one of the best militaries in the world as well as being a top ally allow gays and lesbians to serve openly.

142 What, me worry?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:07:42pm

re: #130 Girth

I have an aunt who wears a Star of David with the name Jesus inside of it. From what I have personally heard her and her husband say about end-times prophecy, I have no doubt that her support of Israel is based on the belief that Israel and the Jewish people are keys to the return of Christ.

She have any Spanish roots, from Spain?

143 jaunte  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:07:58pm

Watching an insane troll on twitter #libya named Rubiconski trying to attract followers with stuff like this:

Rubiconski DJ Rubiconski
#Libya Viva Colonel Gadhafi, true leader of free nations! Hasta la vitoria siempre!!!
144 Kragar  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:08:07pm

re: #140 Dark_Falcon

20 bucks says that this movie doesn't get shown by major chains here. It's going to draw more protests than you can shake a stick at.

Straight to video and a free copy given away to the tenth caller on your local wingnut radio program.

145 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:08:21pm

re: #113 prononymous

After hearing some of the sick anti-semitic stuff leaking out from the right, including all the not so subtle cues in this trailer, I am starting to think that many christian conservatives don't support the Jewish people of Israel at all. If they don't support the Jewish people then that leads me to believe that they support Israel:

A) As a way keep the other Abrahamic religions fighting.
B) To bring about the apocalypse.

Option B has the most evidence supporting it.
Breeding the magic cow.

This is the same mentality that brought us this triumph of human reason.

146 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:08:31pm

re: #124 Slumbering Behemoth

Hey!
Welcome back!
I missed you.

147 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:08:36pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

If I were Jewish, I'd be really skeptical of Christian fundamentalists who claim to support Israel. It seems not to come from any great love or respect for the Jewish people but a perverted religious feeling. I consider myself a supporter of Israel for largely secular reasons. Israel is a secular democracy that treats its women, gays & lesbians, & other miorities with dignity. They've also been a strong ally throughout the years. I don't like those who attempt to make "Zionism" in to a bad word.

Beck has another "documentary" coming out....
Beck's Upcoming Documentary: It's The End Of The World (Again)

The Wingnuts see Israel as their personal doomsday machine and kinda overlook the fact that it's a real country that people live in.

148 Girth  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:08:40pm

re: #142 marjoriemoon

She have any Spanish roots, from Spain?

No.

149 Lidane  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:08:59pm

re: #113 prononymous

After hearing some of the sick anti-semitic stuff leaking out from the right, including all the not so subtle cues in this trailer, I am starting to think that many christian conservatives don't support the Jewish people of Israel at all. If they don't support the Jewish people then that leads me to believe that they support Israel:

A) As a way keep the other Abrahamic religions fighting.
B) To bring about the apocalypse.

It's absolutely B. It's called Christian Zionism.

150 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:09:05pm

re: #140 Dark_Falcon

20 bucks says that this movie doesn't get shown by major chains here. It's going to draw more protests than you can shake a stick at.

Down with this sort of thing - Careful Now.

Youtube Video
151 What, me worry?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:09:17pm

re: #132 Gus 802

That the other thing too. Israel is very progressive in many respects and a complete opposite of the American religious right.

Well, religious Jews in Israel, all over actually, are pretty fundamental in their beliefs, we just don't proselytize.

152 HappyBenghazi  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:10:11pm

re: #139 marjoriemoon

Anti-Zionism is beginning to replace Anti-Semitic as the new buzz word so you don't have to look like a bigot.

But I don't think Jews pay a lot of attention to End of the World prophecy. It's not our story. Israel is also the birthplace of Christianity so it's respected even if we have different beliefs.

I think you're right about that. Yeah I am not surprised that a lot of Jews don't pay attention to the end of the world nonsense. I find Hagee particularly offensive because he basically said the Jews deserved the Holocaust. I really think he's a terrible person whom if he had been around before the state of Israel's formation would be even more explicit in his Anti-Semitism.

153 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:10:29pm

re: #138 wozzablog

My bio-degradeable urn is going in the ground.

Ahhhh..... I'm going to be scattered in the Anza Borrego desert. I already "Google Earthed" my final location with my daughter........ it will be on a Tuesday morning.

154 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:10:33pm

The end of the world is nigh? Really? Guess everyone already forgot about WWII and the rampant outbreaks of killer diseases of the last centuries. The USA and the Soviets used to practice spraying chemical and biological agents across continents. The dangers we face today are far lower than they have ever been for a long time.

155 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:10:49pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

If I were Jewish, I'd be really skeptical of Christian fundamentalists who claim to support Israel.

Word.

156 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:10:57pm

re: #153 Mr Pancakes

Ahhh... I'm going to be scattered in the Anza Borrego desert. I already "Google Earthed" my final location with my daughter... it will be on a Tuesday morning.

I plan to elope.

157 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:11:01pm

re: #87 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So you don't think Tara Reid fit the bill as a noted archaeologist/gun toting adventurer?

I think that even she's smart enough to know this movie is career suicide.

158 What, me worry?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:11:56pm

re: #148 Girth

No.

Oh well then, never mind!

159 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:12:00pm

Ann Coulter wants Jews "to be perfected"

Youtube Video
160 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:12:29pm

re: #159 Killgore Trout

Ann Coulter wants Jews "to be perfected"

[Video]

There it is.

161 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:13:27pm

re: #159 Killgore Trout

Ann Coulter wants Jews "to be perfected"

[Video]

Ann Coulter needs to be "perfected".

162 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:14:06pm

re: #129 Lidane

Pfft. David Cronenberg FTW. If anyone can crank out the disturbing imagery, it's Cronenberg.

DEATH TO VIDEODROME! LONG LIVE THE NEW FLESH!

David Cronenberg is one of the few filmmakers who can do no wrong in my mind. The other living ones are are Todd Solondz and Riddley Scott.

163 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:14:48pm

re: #156 wozzablog

I plan to elope.

I drink a lot of coffee...... I'm thinking about being percolated instead of cremated.

164 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:15:26pm

The end of the world will come when a giant asteroid hits Earth after the TGOP/Libertarians cut funding for a program that would have destroyed the asteroid before it hits Earth. God will just think to himself (or herself, your choice), "why did I even bother."

//

165 Girth  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:15:45pm

re: #161 wozzablog

Ann Coulter needs to be "perfected".

I'm not sure which is more arrogant and offensive, that Jews need to be "perfected" or the implication that Christians already are.

166 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:15:46pm

re: #159 Killgore Trout

Ann Coulter wants Jews "to be perfected"

[Video]

Well, to be fair, a desire for others to be converted isn't bigotry. It's simply saying you think you are more right than they are.

167 HappyBenghazi  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:16:04pm

re: #155 Slumbering Behemoth

Word.

I remember that. That was a disgusting remark. Of course, this is the same guy who said after 9-11 that we deserved it. I wondered as I still do where the right's anger was towards him. They were largely silent in their condemnations of him.

168 What, me worry?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:16:07pm

re: #161 wozzablog

Ann Coulter needs to be "perfected".

I'm not sure even God could manage that one.

169 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:16:16pm

re: #163 Mr Pancakes

I drink a lot of coffee... I'm thinking about being percolated instead of cremated.

And no sugar - cos' i'm sweet enough already.

170 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:16:16pm

re: #146 Floral Giraffe

I bet you say that to all the winged, tentacled horrors.

171 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:16:24pm

re: #154 Gus 802

The end of the world is nigh? Really? Guess everyone already forgot about WWII and the rampant outbreaks of killer diseases of the last centuries. The USA and the Soviets used to practice spraying chemical and biological agents across continents. The dangers we face today are far lower than they have ever been for a long time.

We are living perhaps the least violent period of human history so far.

Youtube Video
172 Lidane  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:16:29pm

re: #165 Girth

I'm not sure which is more arrogant and offensive, that Jews need to be "perfected" or the implication that Christians already are.

Both, IMO. Then again, I'm an atheist, so I don't have a stake in that fight.

173 aagcobb  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:17:18pm

re: #165 Girth

Not mere christians. Specifically, republican christians, who will be the only people in Ann Coulter's Heaven.

174 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:17:20pm

re: #164 Gus 802

The end of the world will come when a giant asteroid hits Earth after the TGOP/Libertarians cut funding for a program that would have destroyed the asteroid before it hits Earth. God will just think to himself (or herself, your choice), "why did I even bother."

//

Be honest, you've read Titan, haven't you?

175 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:17:31pm

re: #165 Girth

I'm not sure which is more arrogant and offensive, that Jews need to be "perfected" or the implication that Christians already are.

Invade their countries kill their leaders and convert them to christianity.

She is, just about, the most hateful person ever given mainstream audience,

176 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:18:38pm

re: #171 negativ

We are living perhaps the least violent period of human history so far.

[Video]

Pinker's good. Listening now.

177 HappyBenghazi  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:18:52pm

re: #175 wozzablog

She is, just about, the most hateful person ever given mainstream audience,

She really is. This is hte same woman who attacked 9-11 widows because she didn't like their political positions. I had a conservative tell me once that Ann's liberal critics were the real hateful ones. I hate to laugh for obvious reasons.

178 Girth  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:19:26pm

re: #164 Gus 802

Do you have any idea how much money it will cost to launch Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck into space?

179 What, me worry?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:20:15pm

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

Well, to be fair, a desire for others to be converted isn't bigotry. It's simply saying you think you are more right than they are.

I think Coulter pretty much makes it a point to be insulting every time she opens her mouth.

180 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:20:22pm

re: #178 Girth

Do you have any idea how much money it will cost to launch Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck into space?

I've got the bottle rockets if you have the abillity to overpower them........

181 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:20:28pm

re: #175 wozzablog

She is, just about, the most hateful person ever given mainstream audience,

Yet she's really good friends with Bill Maher..... go figure. Opposites attract I guess.

182 b_snark  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:20:52pm

re: #138 wozzablog

My bio-degradeable urn is going in the ground.

I have no intention of dying, I will self disassemble instead and my constituent nanobots will reassemble as an iPad4.

183 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:20:57pm

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

Well, to be fair, a desire for others to be converted isn't bigotry. It's simply saying you think you are more right than they are.


Since you raise the point, maybe it's not technically "bigotry" but it's damn close. It's actually supremacist. Christians are "perfect" and Jews aren't. In Coulter's mind wishing for them to abandon their religion and adopt her's will save them from eternal damnation and hell fire and is thusly considered a good deed in her warped mind.
/I wonder why more Jews don't vote Republican?
Hmmmmmmm.....

184 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:21:38pm

re: #179 marjoriemoon

I think Coulter pretty much makes it a point to be insulting every time she opens her mouth.

That's a fact. She likes to be nasty, and she uses shrillness to sell her books. When i realized that I stopped buying said books.

185 What, me worry?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:21:42pm

re: #178 Girth

Do you have any idea how much money it will cost to launch Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck into space?

Can they take Liv Tyler? I mean, she's awful cute and all, but PLEASE.

186 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:22:36pm

If there is a Christian only heaven which excludes Jews, Hindus, Buddhists then I would rather not go. Thank you very much.

187 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:22:40pm

re: #181 Mr Pancakes

Yet she's really good friends with Bill Maher... go figure. Opposites attract I guess.

Maher likes to think he's "out there" on the spectrum, but he's a run of the mill libertarian/left. Ann is all about freedom too - as long as it's the freedom to do what a republican president tells you, when they tell you to do it.

How that woman has any friends is beyond me.

188 What, me worry?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:23:12pm

re: #183 Killgore Trout

Since you raise the point, maybe it's not technically "bigotry" but it's damn close. It's actually supremacist. Christians are "perfect" and Jews aren't. In Coulter's mind wishing for them to abandon their religion and adopt her's will save them from eternal damnation and hell fire and is thusly considered a good deed in her warped mind.
/I wonder why more Jews don't vote Republican?
Hmmm...

It comes under the category that you shouldn't express every belief that pops into your head. But that's Coulter's schtick, I guess.

189 HappyBenghazi  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:23:15pm

I think Coulter must be a really miserable person. I mean you have to be to if you think the way to riches is to make offensive statements about people because you don't like their politics. I feel the same about Limbaugh, Hannity, and the other nutcases who seem to have a new book out every two-three years which is basically the same crap, "Liberals are evil, listen to me!"

190 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:23:37pm

re: #182 b_sharp

I have no intention of dying, I will self disassemble instead and my constituent nanobots will reassemble as an iPad4.

It still won't be able to play Flash...

191 What, me worry?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:24:19pm

re: #186 Killgore Trout

If there is a Christian only heaven which excludes Jews, Hindus, Buddhists then I would rather not go. Thank you very much.

Yes, but if there's a rock and roll heaven, you know they have a hellofa band.

192 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:24:32pm

re: #190 JasonA

It still won't be able to play Flash...

Not so long as the disembodied brain of Steve Jobs maintains his iron fist over Apple.

193 cat-tikvah  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:24:33pm

I want to be "saved" from people like Ann Coulter. And please don't tell my evangelical mother-in-law about that star of David with Jesus inscribed in it. She's been trying to save me (faithful Jew) for decades now. Counter arguments are an exercise in futility. Why is there room for her in my heaven and no room for me in hers?

194 b_snark  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:24:47pm

re: #154 Gus 802

The end of the world is nigh? Really? Guess everyone already forgot about WWII and the rampant outbreaks of killer diseases of the last centuries. The USA and the Soviets used to practice spraying chemical and biological agents across continents. The dangers we face today are far lower than they have ever been for a long time.

Facts are too dangerous to be commonly known.

195 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:25:08pm

re: #190 JasonA

It still won't be able to play Flash...

He'll save everyone of us.........

196 prairiefire  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:25:14pm

re: #165 Girth

I'm not sure which is more arrogant and offensive, that Jews need to be "perfected" or the implication that Christians already are.

Christians are "the vine grafted on". I think that means we should feel very humble and grateful towards the Jews.
Humility is an underrated virtue.

197 Girth  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:25:18pm

re: #185 marjoriemoon

Can they take Liv Tyler? I mean, she's awful cute and all, but PLEASE.

Can we keep Liv and send Steven instead? Don't get me wrong, I loves me some classic Aerosmith, but he's really outlived his usefulness.

198 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:25:25pm

re: #170 Slumbering Behemoth

I bet you say that to all the winged, tentacled horrors.

Well, yes.
But you're special!

199 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:25:43pm

re: #116 jaunte

re: #117 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #118 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #119 Girth

re: #145 negativ

re: #149 Lidane

Oh, I agree that B definitely applies. But these guys hate non-christians so much that if they believe they can achieve the apocalypse AND hurt Muslims and Jews in the process I doubt they'd pass up the chance.

200 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:26:56pm

re: #172 Lidane

Both, IMO. Then again, I'm an atheist, so I don't have a stake in that fight.

The history of human ideological conflict, distilled:

Youtube Video
201 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:27:39pm

re: #200 negativ

The history of human ideological conflict, distilled:

[Video]

into one sixty minute Raider's game.

202 Girth  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:28:13pm

re: #200 negativ

The history of human ideological conflict, distilled:

[Video]

Everything I ever needed to know, I learned from Looney Tunes.

203 What, me worry?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:28:13pm

re: #193 cat-tikvah

I want to be "saved" from people like Ann Coulter. And please don't tell my evangelical mother-in-law about that star of David with Jesus inscribed in it. She's been trying to save me (faithful Jew) for decades now. Counter arguments are an exercise in futility. Why is there room for her in my heaven and no room for me in hers?

When those subjects pop up, particularly if family members are involved, I usually say something like, "Oh and btw, did you guys get a lot of rain last night, too?" Or excuse myself to the restroom or some other grand diversion.

204 b_snark  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:28:21pm

re: #161 wozzablog

Ann Coulter needs to be "perfected".

Coulter will suckle at whatever teat gives her the best chance of filling her bank account the fastest.

205 Kragar  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:30:19pm

Robotic Clouds Will Provide Shade During Qatar World Cup

The clouds are essentially massive blimps, filled with helium, and will be floated above stadiums. Four onboard solar-powered engines will allow the clouds to be controlled from the ground, shifting along with the sun's zenith, serving as a huge umbrella in the sky to shade spectators and athletes.

206 prairiefire  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:30:36pm

So, they've managed to sex up "The Three Muskateers" now:

Youtube Video
207 What, me worry?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:30:42pm

re: #199 prononymous

Oh, I agree that B definitely applies. But these guys hate non-christians so much that if they believe they can achieve the apocalypse AND hurt Muslims and Jews in the process I doubt they'd pass up the chance.

In the grand scheme of things, I'd rather they treat me nice, even if they secretly don't like me then say... try to blew me up.

208 Tigger2005  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:30:54pm

What, Gary Busey's not in this?

209 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:32:02pm

re: #205 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Robotic Clouds Will Provide Shade During Qatar World Cup

The decision to give Qatar the world cup is one of those to which only one word need be attributed - money.

210 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:32:28pm

re: #206 prairiefire

So, they've managed to sex up "The Three Muskateers" now:

[Video]

Needs more Oliver Platt.

211 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:32:45pm

re: #209 wozzablog

The decision to give Qatar the world cup is one of those to which only one word need be attributed - money.

What's the world cup?

212 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:33:02pm

re: #208 Tigger2005

What, Gary Busey's not in this?

He's on with Trump right now. And he already had his moment of film disgrace with that Turkish abomination "Valley of the Wolves: Iraq".

213 Girth  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:33:07pm

re: #206 prairiefire

So, they've managed to sex up "The Three Muskateers" now:

[Video]

My bad movie sensors are going off.

214 Kragar  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:33:19pm

re: #206 prairiefire

So, they've managed to sex up "The Three Muskateers" now:

[Video]

Hey, its got Titus Pullo and the guy from the first seasons of MI-5, so I'll cut it some slack for now.

215 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:33:36pm

re: #211 Mr Pancakes

What's the world cup?

A soccer tourny where two American teams play off to decide who's best in the world.

216 HappyBenghazi  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:33:39pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

He's on with Trump right now. And he already had his moment of film disgrace with that Turkish abomination "Valley of the Wolves: Iraq".

I heard about that. Sounded insane even for a nut like Busey.

217 What, me worry?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:34:00pm

re: #206 prairiefire

So, they've managed to sex up "The Three Muskateers" now:

[Video]

For gals, it's the goatee that makes em sexy.

For guys, it's just boobies.

218 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:34:05pm

re: #215 wozzablog

A soccer tourny where two American teams play off to decide who's best in the world.

We have a soccer team?

219 Digital Display  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:34:07pm

re: #211 Mr Pancakes

What's the world cup?

*faints*

220 b_snark  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:34:25pm

re: #192 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Not so long as the disembodied brain of Steve Jobs maintains his iron fist over Apple.

Apple will be promoting HTML22 by that time.

221 Tigger2005  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:34:32pm

These poor deluded fools. Don't they realize what is actually going to happen is that the Old Ones are going to arise and eat us all. H.P. Lovecraft said so.

222 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:35:01pm

re: #207 marjoriemoon

In the grand scheme of things, I'd rather they treat me nice, even if they secretly don't like me then say... try to blew me up.

I agree. If there were no other option I'd choose being secretly hated versus openly hated. But I don't think that is the kind of choice we have here.

223 Kragar  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:35:11pm

re: #208 Tigger2005

What, Gary Busey's not in this?

Gary is still sulking that Charlie Sheen outcrazied him.

224 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:35:17pm

re: #192 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Not so long as the disembodied brain of Steve Jobs maintains his iron fist over Apple.

What will Nixon's head be doing?

/

225 prairiefire  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:35:55pm

re: #210 JasonA

Needs more Oliver Platt.

Schlubby men are hot. I love him.

226 celticdragon  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:36:05pm

re: #159 Killgore Trout

Ann Coulter wants Jews "to be perfected"

[Video]

I think I would have to go for the opposite of anything Ann Coulter said was good for me. The radiation statement she made comes to mind...

227 b_snark  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:36:25pm

re: #202 Girth

Everything I ever needed to know, I learned from Looney Tunes.

That's just Daffy.

228 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:36:33pm

re: #224 Gus 802

What will Nixon's head be doing?

/

He'll be brainwashed by the hypnotoad.

/

229 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:37:09pm

re: #224 Gus 802

What will Nixon's head be doing?

/

President of Earth, of course. But don't look at me, I didn't vote for him.

230 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:37:16pm

re: #225 prairiefire

Schlubby men are hot. I love him.

I feel so sexy now.

231 celticdragon  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:37:39pm

re: #221 Tigger2005

These poor deluded fools. Don't they realize what is actually going to happen is that the Old Ones are going to arise and eat us all. H.P. Lovecraft said so.

Yog ag Shoggoth!

232 prairiefire  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:38:31pm

re: #214 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hey, its got Titus Pullo and the guy from the first seasons of MI-5, so I'll cut it some slack for now.

That guy from MI-5 was the male lead in "Little Dorritt". He's very good.

233 b_snark  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:38:52pm

re: #206 prairiefire

So, they've managed to sex up "The Three Muskateers" now:

[Video]

Milla.

sigh...

234 Kragar  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:39:43pm

re: #231 celticdragon

Yog ag Shoggoth!

Don't mix your deities.

Yog-Sothoth is an Outer God.

A Shoggoth was a servitors of the Elder Things, until they rebelled.

235 b_snark  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:39:51pm

re: #205 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Robotic Clouds Will Provide Shade During Qatar World Cup

That's better than robotic clowns.

236 prairiefire  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:40:11pm

re: #233 b_sharp

Milla.

sigh...

She and her hubby director are a making an empire for themselves with those "REsident Evil" movies.

237 What, me worry?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:40:23pm

re: #222 prononymous

I agree. If there were no other option I'd choose being secretly hated versus openly hated. But I don't think that is the kind of choice we have here.

Maybe I'm missing your point, but you take friends were you can find them, is my philosophy. I mean, if you were to question me, I'd tell you mine is the right religion. Of course. It's what I believe. It's silly to argue the point, because others have different beliefs and really... who gives a shit anyway? heh

That's on a personal level. If this movie is a hit piece on Islam or Judaism, that would be bad.

238 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:41:01pm

re: #225 prairiefire

Schlubby men are hot. I love him.

I can outschlub any man at a 100 paces........

:p

239 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:41:24pm

re: #236 prairiefire

She and her hubby director are a making an empire for themselves with those "REsident Evil" movies.

It's made them a pretty penny anyway.

240 Tigger2005  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:41:36pm

re: #231 celticdragon

Yog ag Shoggoth!

Repeat that often, and maybe you will be one of the lucky ones who is eaten first.

Or maybe not...maybe the Old Ones will torment you in their dank and rotting lairs...but who cares? You'll be insane!

241 b_snark  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:44:10pm

re: #236 prairiefire

She and her hubby director are a making an empire for themselves with those "REsident Evil" movies.

She's also a fair musician/singer.

That's the naked truth.

...Drool...

242 b_snark  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:45:00pm

re: #238 wozzablog

I can outschlub any man at a 100 paces...

:p

What is this 'shlubby'?

243 prairiefire  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:45:33pm

re: #241 b_sharp

She's also a fair musician/singer.

That's the naked truth.

...Drool...

Yep, I've got her first CD. I decided I could get over the gorgeous young model turned talented singer song writer part and like her music. Kinda Kate Bushish.

244 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:45:41pm

re: #242 b_sharp

What is this 'shlubby'?

Something the Knights Who Say "Ni" demand.

245 jaunte  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:46:53pm

re: #243 prairiefire

She sounds good. I didn't know she sang.

Youtube Video
246 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:47:16pm

re: #244 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Something the Knights Who Say "Ni" demand.

We are no longer the knights who say ni! We are now the knights who say ekki-ekki-ekki-pitang-zoom-boing!

247 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:48:02pm

re: #202 Girth

Everything I ever needed to know, I learned from Looney Tunes.

Friz Freleng, Chuck Jones, Carl Stalling (and by extension, Raymond Scott) are gods among mortals.

248 b_snark  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:48:23pm

re: #244 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Something the Knights Who Say "Ni" demand.

Oh.

I thought it was what I walk around with when I think of Milla Jovovich.

249 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:49:28pm

See, I don't know why folks are so worried about the end of the world. I mean, when the bombs dropped, I plan to be safe and secure in my local Vault.

250 prairiefire  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:50:06pm

Night, lizards.

251 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:50:12pm

re: #237 marjoriemoon

Maybe I'm missing your point, but you take friends were you can find them, is my philosophy. I mean, if you were to question me, I'd tell you mine is the right religion. Of course. It's what I believe. It's silly to argue the point, because others have different beliefs and really... who gives a shit anyway?

Relevant:

Youtube Video
252 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:50:38pm

re: #242 b_sharp

What is this 'shlubby'?

A lovable (barely) blob of a man several rungs below a schmuck.

253 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:51:42pm

re: #60 Naso Tang

So the plot is that some people disappear and then everything is back to normal?

Since they're generally people no one notices, how will we tell? /

254 Kragar  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:51:58pm

re: #249 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

See, I don't know why folks are so worried about the end of the world. I mean, when the bombs dropped, I plan to be safe and secure in my local Vault.

Just remember to trust the Overseer.

255 b_snark  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:52:26pm

re: #252 wozzablog

A lovable (barely) blob of a man several rungs below a schmuck.

I have the blob part, and the rungs part down pat, but I'm still working on the schmuck part.

256 Girth  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:52:36pm

re: #247 negativ

Friz Freleng, Chuck Jones, Carl Stalling (and by extension, Raymond Scott) are gods among mortals.

Friz Freleng's cartoons always felt hokey to me. By far my least favorite. Chuck Jones and Tex Avery...now there are gods of the cartoon world.

257 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:53:34pm

re: #255 b_sharp

I have the blob part, and the rungs part down pat, but I'm still working on the schmuck part.

Schmuckery is an artform. But to some it comes naturally.

258 b_snark  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:53:37pm

re: #253 Romantic Heretic

Since they're generally people no one notices, how will we tell? /

The K-cars with the rapture bumper stickers will be empty.

259 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:54:21pm

G'night everyone - its almost 5am and the bathroom guy starts in my house a 10. I don't get my lay in.

*wailing, gnashing teeth*

260 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:54:44pm

re: #256 Girth

Friz Freleng's cartoons always felt hokey to me. By far my least favorite. Chuck Jones and Tex Avery...now there are gods of the cartoon world.

Friz Freleng invented Bugs Bunny, o ye blasphemer.

261 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:55:13pm

Good night all.
Be well.
Sleep tight.
Even the lurkers!

262 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:55:19pm

re: #254 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just remember to trust the Overseer.

Of course. I mean, what's the worst that could happen?

263 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:56:44pm

re: #237 marjoriemoon

Maybe I'm missing your point, but you take friends were you can find them, is my philosophy. I mean, if you were to question me, I'd tell you mine is the right religion. Of course. It's what I believe. It's silly to argue the point, because others have different beliefs and really... who gives a shit anyway? heh

That's on a personal level. If this movie is a hit piece on Islam or Judaism, that would be bad.

I don't mean that support should be rejected. Support is support even if they are doing it because of some other motive.

Christian fundamentalism has run amok within the Republican party though. That they see Israel as a way to hasten the apocalypse is something that we (Americans) should confront. Right along with all the other fundamentalist BS.

Just because Palestinians openly hate Jews doesn't mean that we have to be ok with Republicans secretly hating Jews. It could lead to bad things like encouraging Israel to make a militarily bad decision, hoping to spark an end-times type conflict. True friends tell each other the truth, even if the truth is "I think this is a bad idea".

264 b_snark  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:56:50pm

re: #261 Floral Giraffe

Good night all.
Be well.
Sleep tight.
Even the lurkers!

I planned to be a lurker, but found I was just too shy.

265 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:58:39pm

Considering that most of the target audience for this movie probably thinks they will be among the raptured, is this a new genera of disaster flick where you get to gloat at the victims?

266 b_snark  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:58:53pm

re: #262 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Of course. I mean, what's the worst that could happen?

Famous last words...

267 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:59:02pm

re: #256 Girth

Friz Freleng's cartoons always felt hokey to me. By far my least favorite. Chuck Jones and Tex Avery...now there are gods of the cartoon world.

It's interesting to speculate on what might have happened had Tex Avery not left Warner Brothers.

268 CuriousLurker  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:02:25pm

From the movie trailer: "We're talking about the destruction of the United States of America".

Yes, we are. We're talking about the Christian right wanting to scare Americans into participating in the willful destruction of America as we know it, and replacing it with with some God-awful Christian theocracy that could very well end up making sharia look like child's play.

269 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:03:23pm

Morning everyone.

270 b_snark  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:04:13pm

G'night.

271 Girth  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:04:20pm

re: #260 negativ

Friz Freleng invented Bugs Bunny, o ye blasphemer.

Not according the the Hitchhiker's Guide:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

It has been a long time though, and honestly that impression of Friz' work comes mostly from his later stuff, like the Pink Panther and the Ant and the Aardvark cartoons that he did.

272 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:06:06pm

re: #269 Walter L. Newton

Morning everyone.

Eh? It's only a few minutes past 10pm where you are.

273 Girth  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:08:40pm

re: #267 Dark_Falcon

It's interesting to speculate on what might have happened had Tex Avery not left Warner Brothers.

If that would have meant no Droopy then I don't even want to think about it.

274 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:09:51pm

re: #272 Dark_Falcon

Eh? It's only a few minutes past 10pm where you are.

Yea... but I just got up, I have my usual overnight shift coming up, still do that every Sat./Sun. nights. And then during the week I have to cover about 10-15 more hours doing days or evenings... even after a year, I'm still low man on the seniority list, so I have to fill in those schedule holes. Other employees get to "suggest" what hours they would like to work, depending on their seniority, I don't get to suggest shit.

But it's a job. (by the way, a job I got myself, no fucking handout from the state or federal government).

275 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:12:40pm

re: #199 prononymous

Oh, I agree that B definitely applies. But these guys hate non-christians so much that if they believe they can achieve the apocalypse AND hurt Muslims and Jews in the process I doubt they'd pass up the chance.

Hmm... I'm neither Jewish nor Israeli, but if I were either I imagine that I would find the fundamentalist Christian view of my homeland as the stopwatch for their personal apocalyptic fantasies to be both hurtful and offensive.

276 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:12:52pm

re: #274 Walter L. Newton

(by the way, a job I got myself, no fucking handout from the state or federal government).

What sorts of jobs are state and federal governments "handing out".

277 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:16:09pm

re: #268 CuriousLurker

From the movie trailer: "We're talking about the destruction of the United States of America".

Yes, we are. We're talking about the Christian right wanting to scare Americans into participating in the willful destruction of America as we know it, and replacing it with with some God-awful Christian theocracy that could very well end up making sharia look like child's play.

I agree with you... I assured that there will be a new Crusade, right here in the United States, outright street warfare... evangelical Christian against everyone else, roaming the streets in armor and on steed... looking for the forces of the New Saladin.

I know what you mean, scary stuff.

278 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:16:16pm

re: #274 Walter L. Newton

Yea... but I just got up, I have my usual overnight shift coming up, still do that every Sat./Sun. nights. And then during the week I have to cover about 10-15 more hours doing days or evenings... even after a year, I'm still low man on the seniority list, so I have to fill in those schedule holes. Other employees get to "suggest" what hours they would like to work, depending on their seniority, I don't get to suggest shit.

But it's a job. (by the way, a job I got myself, no fucking handout from the state or federal government).

Not much for me to say other than keep fighting the good fight, Walter.

279 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:16:44pm

re: #167 HappyWarrior

I remember that. That was a disgusting remark. Of course, this is the same guy who said after 9-11 that we deserved it. I wondered as I still do where the right's anger was towards him. They were largely silent in their condemnations of him.


A hideous person. Anti-American, really.

280 ozbloke  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:18:59pm

Sorry, I'm late to the party.

Some examples of evangelical denominations are: Assemblies of God, Southern Baptists, Independent Baptists, Black Protestants, African Methodist Episcopal, African Methodist Episcopal Zion; Church of Christ, Churches of God in Christ, Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod, National Baptist Church, National Progressive Baptist Church, Nondenominational, Pentecostal denominations, and the Presbyterian Church in America. 1 Many theologians would also include as evangelicals the conservative members and reform movements within such mainline denominations as the Episcopal Church, USA, the Presbyterian Church (USA), and the United Methodist Church.

But lets just group them all as evangelical nutters, its simpler that way.
It doesn't matter that their doctrines vary either.

I got a barn to paint, any one wanna lend me the broad brush?

I belonged to an AOG church for many years, we believed that the Jews are G-ds chosen people, and are set apart.

281 HappyBenghazi  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:21:04pm

re: #279 Slumbering Behemoth

A hideous person. Anti-American, really.

He really is. He made similiar ugly remarks after Hurricane Katrina too.

282 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:23:47pm

re: #268 CuriousLurker

From the movie trailer: "We're talking about the destruction of the United States of America".

Yes, we are. We're talking about the Christian right wanting to scare Americans into participating in the willful destruction of America as we know it, and replacing it with with some God-awful Christian theocracy that could very well end up making sharia look like child's play.

Sharia is brutal, oppressive, and disgusting. That being said, I'd hate to see humanity once again suffer under the Christian version.

283 CuriousLurker  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:25:22pm

re: #277 Walter L. Newton

I agree with you... I assured that there will be a new Crusade, right here in the United States, outright street warfare... evangelical Christian against everyone else, roaming the streets in armor and on steed... looking for the forces of the New Saladin.

I know what you mean, scary stuff.

I'm going to trust (and hope and pray) that the majority of Americans are not stupid (or crazy or fearful) enough to fall for the crap the far right is feeding them.

If I'm wrong, then I suppose we deserve whatever we get and when Michelle Bachmann takes the oath of office and appoints Bryan Fischer as Secretary o State and Frank Gaffney as Secretary of Homeland Security, I'll pack my bags and move somewhere more liberal (like Saudi or Iran or Afghanistan). //

284 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:28:26pm

re: #283 CuriousLurker

Nah, I'll hide you out in my attic. Did I mention a que a mean Tri-Tip?

285 CuriousLurker  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:28:43pm

re: #282 Slumbering Behemoth

Sharia is brutal, oppressive, and disgusting. That being said, I'd hate to see humanity once again suffer under the Christian version.

FWIW, sharia isn't only about punishable offenses. Like halacha, it also covers day to day customs & traditions (such as how to pray, fast, etc.)

286 albusteve  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:28:44pm

discussing religion this late on a Sunday night is blasphemous....go forth and sin for god's sake....good grief

287 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:28:49pm

re: #280 ozbloke

Sorry, I'm late to the party.

Some examples of evangelical denominations are: Assemblies of God, Southern Baptists, Independent Baptists, Black Protestants, African Methodist Episcopal, African Methodist Episcopal Zion; Church of Christ, Churches of God in Christ, Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod, National Baptist Church, National Progressive Baptist Church, Nondenominational, Pentecostal denominations, and the Presbyterian Church in America. 1 Many theologians would also include as evangelicals the conservative members and reform movements within such mainline denominations as the Episcopal Church, USA, the Presbyterian Church (USA), and the United Methodist Church.

But lets just group them all as evangelical nutters, its simpler that way.
It doesn't matter that their doctrines vary either.

I got a barn to paint, any one wanna lend me the broad brush?

I belonged to an AOG church for many years, we believed that the Jews are G-ds chosen people, and are set apart.

I'm glad you brought this up, it's something that's been on my list to point out, but I've gotten side tracked.

And do you know how many of the congregants in these assemblies are Democrats and minorities, the same people who were partially responsible for electing President Obama? These church going evangelical Democrats believe in the second coming, the rapture, creationism and the whole boat... yet we mock these doctrines.

Granted, many conservative evangelicals make a more public face about their beliefs, tending to weave them into a world view that spans their social and political ideologies, but bottom line, when you mock the doctrines, the thoughts, the scriptures, you're not just mocking the conservatives.

But of course, that doesn't matter, not if someone needs to make a point.... when someone is intent on making a point, everyone be damned, step on any toes you want to accomplish your goal.

Really good post Ozbloke.

288 albusteve  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:29:16pm

re: #282 Slumbering Behemoth

Sharia is brutal, oppressive, and disgusting. That being said, I'd hate to see humanity once again suffer under the Christian version.

already creeping into our lives

289 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:30:33pm

re: #286 albusteve

discussing religion this late on a Sunday night is blasphemous...go forth and sin for god's sake...good grief

I kicked over some tables at my local temple. Does that count?

290 albusteve  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:32:07pm

re: #289 Killgore Trout

I kicked over some tables at my local temple. Does that count?

ooh rah!

291 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:33:01pm

I notice an Arabic looking gentleman is being targeted as the antagonist.

292 ozbloke  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:33:49pm

re: #287 Walter L. Newton

I'm glad you brought this up, it's something that's been on my list to point out, but I've gotten side tracked.

And do you know how many of the congregants in these assemblies are Democrats and minorities, the same people who were partially responsible for electing President Obama? These church going evangelical Democrats believe in the second coming, the rapture, creationism and the whole boat... yet we mock these doctrines.

Granted, many conservative evangelicals make a more public face about their beliefs, tending to weave them into a world view that spans their social and political ideologies, but bottom line, when you mock the doctrines, the thoughts, the scriptures, you're not just mocking the conservatives.

But of course, that doesn't matter, not if someone needs to make a point... when someone is intent on making a point, everyone be damned, step on any toes you want to accomplish your goal.

Really good post Ozbloke.

Thanks Walter, its appreciated.

I understand there are some nutters in the church, but there are also nutters down the pub, and at your local sports club, its not just religion, it can be race, culture or divides along many other lines.

The issue (to me), is the heart of man.

293 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:37:43pm

re: #283 CuriousLurker

I'm going to trust (and hope and pray) that the majority of Americans are not stupid (or crazy or fearful) enough to fall for the crap the far right is feeding them.

If I'm wrong, then I suppose we deserve whatever we get and when Michelle Bachmann takes the oath of office and appoints Bryan Fischer as Secretary o State and Frank Gaffney as Secretary of Homeland Security, I'll pack my bags and move somewhere more liberal (like Saudi or Iran or Afghanistan). //

CuriousLurker... you see, these doctrines and ideologies have been around as long as this country has, in one theological form or another. These ideologies are similar to the thoughts about religion and state that were an active part of the debate before 1776.

And guess what, the founding fathers put this document together, and this document has been added to and strengthened over the years, and it has managed to keep a relativity decent separation between the various theologies and the state. And honestly, you need to go look back in our last 200 years of history and read up on some of the many evangelical and millennial movements that we have had.

That little document has managed to sustain all attacks... I trust the Constitution and the common sense of good people.

294 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:39:34pm

re: #287 Walter L. Newton

The thing is, it's not about the religion of some particular political group. People of all political groups can have superstitious/stupid/hateful/etc ideas.

The point is that I support the right of everyone to believe whatever they like and to practice their religion in any way they see fit as long as it doesn't impact my own freedom. But when you put your beliefs out into the open and try to convince others that you are right, start making it a litmus test for office, or codify it in new laws and education policy - then I will definitely confront that.

This isn't about democrats vs republicans, as much as some might want to see it that way.

295 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:41:03pm

re: #285 CuriousLurker

FWIW, sharia isn't only about punishable offenses. Like halacha, it also covers day to day customs & traditions (such as how to pray, fast, etc.)

No offense, but I am offended by any archaic, religious rules that presume to dictate how we should live, whether or not they are about punishable offenses.

296 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:42:07pm

re: #294 prononymous

The thing is, it's not about the religion of some particular political group. People of all political groups can have superstitious/stupid/hateful/etc ideas.

The point is that I support the right of everyone to believe whatever they like and to practice their religion in any way they see fit as long as it doesn't impact my own freedom. But when you put your beliefs out into the open and try to convince others that you are right, start making it a litmus test for office, or codify it in new laws and education policy - then I will definitely confront that.

This isn't about democrats vs republicans, as much as some might want to see it that way.

Get back to me when there is a LAW making a religious litmus test necessary to hold political office.

In the meantime... it's OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE... it's easier... isn't it?

297 jaunte  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:42:49pm

Nothing to see here.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

298 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:44:17pm

re: #296 Walter L. Newton

Get back to me when there is a LAW making a religious litmus test necessary to hold political office.

In the meantime... it's OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE... it's easier... isn't it?

Where was I outrageously outraged? Do you honestly think a republican, or democrat, could step up right now and say "I'm an atheist/agnostic" and expect to still have a chance at getting elected?

299 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:46:33pm

re: #291 eclectic infidel

Would that Islam did not exist, I figure it would be safe bet what the next target would be.

300 CuriousLurker  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:47:24pm

re: #293 Walter L. Newton

CuriousLurker... you see, these doctrines and ideologies have been around as long as this country has, in one theological form or another. These ideologies are similar to the thoughts about religion and state that were an active part of the debate before 1776.

And guess what, the founding fathers put this document together, and this document has been added to and strengthened over the years, and it has managed to keep a relativity decent separation between the various theologies and the state. And honestly, you need to go look back in our last 200 years of history and read up on some of the many evangelical and millennial movements that we have had.

That little document has managed to sustain all attacks... I trust the Constitution and the common sense of good people.

I know you're right, but sometimes it's hard to keep things in perspective (especially on a political blog, which is why I've been mostly staying away the past few days).

Thanks especially for that last bit, the vote of trust. It's good to hear as a reminder.

301 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:48:26pm

re: #300 CuriousLurker

I know you're right, but sometimes it's hard to keep things in perspective (especially on a political blog, which is why I've been mostly staying away the past few days).

Thanks especially for that last bit, the vote of trust. It's good to hear as a reminder.

You welcome... and it wasn't meant as an attack to you, more of a general statement on the apparent topic for anyone who wanted to read it.

Peace.

302 ozbloke  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:50:01pm

re: #298 prononymous

Where was I outrageously outraged? Do you honestly think a republican, or democrat, could step up right now and say "I'm an atheist/agnostic" and expect to still have a chance at getting elected?

Hi prononymous,

Do you honestly think the majority of Americans are within that 'nutter right Christian theology'?

303 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:51:22pm

re: #299 Slumbering Behemoth

Would that Islam did not exist, I figure it would be safe bet what the next target would be.

Yeah.

304 HappyBenghazi  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:52:33pm

I think the most important thing to do is to champion the separation of church and state and defend it against people who make outrageous claims about it. There was one candidate who actually claimed that separation of church and state was Hitler's idea. Some of the best advocates and supporters of church and state seperation are religious people themselves sometimes.

305 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:53:02pm

re: #298 prononymous

Where was I outrageously outraged? Do you honestly think a republican, or democrat, could step up right now and say "I'm an atheist/agnostic" and expect to still have a chance at getting elected?

"You will know them by their fruits" (Matt 7:15-23)

By the way, I'm an atheist. Do you believe in the magical man in the sky?

306 CuriousLurker  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:53:36pm

re: #295 Slumbering Behemoth

No offense, but I am offended by any archaic, religious rules that presume to dictate how we should live, whether or not they are about punishable offenses.

No offense taken. You're just as entitled to your opinion & feelings about religion as I am to mine, and neither one of us needs the approval of the other to carry on traveling down our respective paths as long as they're not interfering with each other.

307 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:54:11pm

re: #302 ozbloke

Which ideology?

I think you'd have a hard time pinning down many religious beliefs that apply to most Americans beyond Jesus is the son of God/is God.

308 CuriousLurker  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:55:17pm

re: #301 Walter L. Newton

You welcome... and it wasn't meant as an attack to you, more of a general statement on the apparent topic for anyone who wanted to read it.

Peace.

I didn't take it as an attack—I've seen your attacks, and that wasn't one of them, heh.

Peace. ;o)

309 ozbloke  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:55:46pm

re: #298 prononymous

Do you honestly think a republican, or democrat, could step up right now and say "I'm an atheist/agnostic" and expect to still have a chance at getting elected?

Whichever belief or fear that you have that makes you believe the above statement is true.

310 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:55:49pm

re: #308 CuriousLurker

I didn't take it as an attack—I've seen your attacks, and that wasn't one of them, heh.

Peace. ;o)

Good point :)

311 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:57:48pm

re: #306 CuriousLurker

No offense taken. You're just as entitled to your opinion & feelings about religion as I am to mine, and neither one of us needs the approval of the other to carry on traveling down our respective paths as long as they're not interfering with each other.

'Tis the American way. Too bad there are so many Americans who have forgotten that.

312 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:58:01pm

re: #305 Walter L. Newton

"You will know them by their fruits" (Matt 7:15-23)


Well I'm not to happy with the legislative fruit the Republican party has been producing. They might just be out of season, but I curse them forever anyway. *rolleyes*

By the way, I'm an atheist. Do you believe in the magical man in the sky?


I'm an Atheist.

re: #309 ozbloke

Whichever belief or fear that you have that makes you believe the above statement is true.

It was a question, obviously, not a statement of truth or beliefs.

313 ozbloke  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:00:21pm

re: #312 prononymous

Well I'm not to happy with the legislative fruit the Republican party has been producing. They might just be out of season, but I curse them forever anyway. *rolleyes*


I'm an Atheist.

re: #309 ozbloke

It was a question, obviously, not a statement of truth or beliefs.

I'm not trying to antagonize you, I was asking whether you believed the statement you made.

I'm in Australia, I don't know what % of people are i that group, because you asked the question, I was asking your view.

314 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:00:37pm

re: #312 prononymous

Well I'm not to happy with the legislative fruit the Republican party has been producing. They might just be out of season, but I curse them forever anyway. *rolleyes*


I'm an Atheist.

re: #309 ozbloke

It was a question, obviously, not a statement of truth or beliefs.

Well nice, but I was talking about you will know which politicians are truly believers by their fruits, not their politics, you know, moral and all that. That's all of a test I need, if I even needed one. Let's take one example, Newt... not my kind of christian, wouldn't dare vote for him... now you get my drift... let's find another one... Bill Clinton... I don't care how much he claims to be this or that, his moral in my world do not speak to any real christian.

Making sense now?

315 CuriousLurker  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:01:09pm

I have to go finish responding to someone on my most recent Page, and then get some shut-eye. Have a good night, everyone.

316 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:01:42pm

re: #313 ozbloke

I'm not trying to antagonize you, I was asking whether you believed the statement you made.

I'm in Australia, I don't know what % of people are i that group, because you asked the question, I was asking your view.

He/she/it say's above it's not a democrat/republican thing... and then "Well I'm not to happy with the legislative fruit the Republican party has been producing. They might just be out of season, but I curse them forever anyway. *rolleyes*"

Bullshit.

317 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:02:04pm

re: #315 CuriousLurker

I have to go finish responding to someone on my most recent Page, and then get some shut-eye. Have a good night, everyone.

Night... I'm off to work in a few minutes.

318 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:04:02pm

re: #316 Walter L. Newton

He/she/it say's above it's not a democrat/republican thing... and then "Well I'm not to happy with the legislative fruit the Republican party has been producing. They might just be out of season, but I curse them forever anyway. *rolleyes*"

Bullshit.

You quoted bible passages to me and then didn't get the reference? Weak.

319 ozbloke  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:04:05pm

re: #317 Walter L. Newton

Night... I'm off to work in a few minutes.

Have a good night Walter, be well.

320 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:06:16pm

re: #318 prononymous

You quoted bible passages to me and then didn't get the reference? Weak.

And you have all sort of judgements about a subject you evidently, by your own admission above, have little knowledge of. Get back to me after a comparative religion course or something.

I though I was dealing with someone who know about the history and the ideologies of evangelical Christianity.

321 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:06:38pm

re: #319 ozbloke

Have a good night Walter, be well.

Thanks, I'm off.

322 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:07:38pm

re: #320 Walter L. Newton

And you have all sort of judgements about a subject you evidently, by your own admission above, have little knowledge of. Get back to me after a comparative religion course or something.

I though I was dealing with someone who know about the history and the ideologies of evangelical Christianity.

What a load of bullshit. I took a bunch of religion courses in college and have debated on the subject many times. If you can't catch a reference to Jesus and the fig tree it isn't my problem.

323 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:07:48pm

Perfect movie for Republicans.

324 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:11:21pm

re: #297 jaunte

Nothing to see here.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

By gosh golly gosh darn. See, it's just a movie. We can't say anything about it because you know we haven't taken any college courses specific to the topic at hand. And. All. That. Jazz.

325 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:11:43pm

re: #303 eclectic infidel

Don't get me wrong. I would love nothing more than to see a world free from the retrograde force of organized religion. Yet I would no sooner advocate rounding up and oppressing people for their faith than I would for their skin color, social class, gender, etc.

326 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:15:10pm

re: #313 ozbloke

I'm not trying to antagonize you, I was asking whether you believed the statement you made.

I'm in Australia, I don't know what % of people are i that group, because you asked the question, I was asking your view.


It was a trick question that he was obviously trying to avoid. The answer is that the only congressmen that are publicly declared atheists are Democrats, IIRC.

re: #314 Walter L. Newton

I took it to mean that we can't tell what someone is thinking. Therefore we have to determine the quality of these politicians by their actions. The actions of Republicans has been to introduce a lot of religious laws about creationism, anti-abortion, etc. That's the "fruit" of their labors. So if I am to judge people by their fruit, I judge them rotten.

327 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:19:28pm

Guess that's it for tonight. Might as well huh? We sure were put in our place. Again. Boy I tells ya.

328 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:21:47pm

re: #323 Gus 802

It's box office failure will be blamed on librul ayteeists who hate god.

329 ozbloke  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:23:30pm

re: #326 prononymous

It was a trick question that he was obviously trying to avoid. The answer is that the only congressmen that are publicly declared atheists are Democrats, IIRC.

re: #314 Walter L. Newton

I took it to mean that we can't tell what someone is thinking. Therefore we have to determine the quality of these politicians by their actions. The actions of Republicans has been to introduce a lot of religious laws about creationism, anti-abortion, etc. That's the "fruit" of their labors. So if I am to judge people by their fruit, I judge them rotten.

Wow, sorry, can we start again please?
I was not discussing anything Walter was saying.

You had stated the following:
Do you honestly think a republican, or democrat, could step up right now and say "I'm an atheist/agnostic" and expect to still have a chance at getting elected?

Honestly, I justed wanted to know whether in the USA today, is it really true that no one could get re elected if they said they were atheist or agnostic.

If the feeling is that its true, I would be surprised, I still believed it to be a fringe majority that would vote based on extreme religious beliefs.

You brought it up so I was asking your view.
If you don't want to share your view thats ok too.

330 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:23:55pm

re: #328 Slumbering Behemoth

It's box office failure will be blamed on librul ayteeists who hate god.

Glad I went off to work on a project I've been playing around with. Seriously, had enough of the "Knock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots" bullshit we get around here sometimes. I'm not here to support egos. Bruised or otherwise.

331 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:29:04pm

re: #328 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. Nobody for once considers us non-religious, conservative leaning folks who are disgusted with the current state of the GOP. Guess I'll just be an army of one.

332 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:30:21pm

re: #329 ozbloke

I didn't understand the nature of your question the first time, sorry.

I do believe that it would be hard or impossible for an avowed atheist to be elected to office, either as a Republican or Democrat. Though, IMO, more so for a Republican currently. I believe that Rep. Stark only came out because his solidified position meant it wouldn't hurt him too much. But in the past there were plenty of examples of politicians losing support because they are atheists or suspected atheists. Howard Dean lost some support when he didn't express a religious belief correctly and people suspected him of atheism - and that was just the suspicion, despite his objections.

333 ozbloke  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:37:50pm

re: #332 prononymous

I didn't understand the nature of your question the first time, sorry.

I do believe that it would be hard or impossible for an avowed atheist to be elected to office, either as a Republican or Democrat. Though, IMO, more so for a Republican currently. I believe that Rep. Stark only came out because his solidified position meant it wouldn't hurt him too much. But in the past there were plenty of examples of politicians losing support because they are atheists or suspected atheists. Howard Dean lost some support when he didn't express a religious belief correctly and people suspected him of atheism - and that was just the suspicion, despite his objections.

That is a sad state of affairs.
The Christian right are a loud voice thats for sure, well funded too.

I have always believed that the supreme court would understand the intent of the first amendment, and as loud as the Christian right scream it wouldn't have helped them. Time will tell I guess, I would agree that they are more powerful within the right wing of politics.

334 engineer cat  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:43:04pm

as an atheist, i find it difficult to imagine running for office and standing up for the atheist's creed that it's our duty and challenge to live a moral and compassionate life in a meaningless, cruel, and uncaring universe

in a political climate where to stand up for the compassion, humility, and charity of jesus is liable to get you labelled anti-christian and a liberal communist fascist, an atheist doesn't stand a chance

335 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:48:29pm

re: #333 ozbloke

It is indeed quite sad and it has been that way for a very long time. However, it might actually be slowly getting better. I don't think just a few decades before Pete Stark would have been able to come out without more serious political fallout.

336 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:50:27pm

Hey all,

My kid said another earthquake hit Japan and showed me an article on his phone that said it as 6.6.

Tell me it was from some bad tasting version of the Onion.

How is everyone?

337 Kragar  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:51:40pm

re: #336 ggt

Hey all,

My kid said another earthquake hit Japan and showed me an article on his phone that said it as 6.6.

Tell me it was from some bad tasting version of the Onion.

How is everyone?

No, it got hit again, no tsunami.

338 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:52:16pm

re: #329 ozbloke

Wow, sorry, can we start again please?
I was not discussing anything Walter was saying.

You had stated the following:
Do you honestly think a republican, or democrat, could step up right now and say "I'm an atheist/agnostic" and expect to still have a chance at getting elected?

Honestly, I justed wanted to know whether in the USA today, is it really true that no one could get re elected if they said they were atheist or agnostic.

If the feeling is that its true, I would be surprised, I still believed it to be a fringe majority that would vote based on extreme religious beliefs.

You brought it up so I was asking your view.
If you don't want to share your view thats ok too.

A pagan would have a better chance than an athiest. Mostly because the Whackos%trade; would see better chance at conversion.

339 engineer cat  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:52:20pm

Stark is the first openly atheist member of Congress

There are three openly gay members [of congress](Tammy Baldwin, D-WI; Barney Frank, D-MA; Jared Polis, D-CO.)

huh

340 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:53:36pm

re: #325 Slumbering Behemoth

Don't get me wrong. I would love nothing more than to see a world free from the retrograde force of organized religion. Yet I would no sooner advocate rounding up and oppressing people for their faith than I would for their skin color, social class, gender, etc.

re: #337 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No, it got hit again, no tsunami.

Damage from the Earthquake? How did it affect the reactors?

I've been out of the loop all day.

341 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:54:02pm

re: #335 prononymous

It is indeed quite sad and it has been that way for a very long time. However, it might actually be slowly getting better. I don't think just a few decades before Pete Stark would have been able to come out without more serious political fallout.

Atheism is accelerating rather quickly in the USA. That being said with regards to politics it's not a matter of atheism or secularism. Although typically an atheist has a good eye for atheism. But what I mean is that what should concern most atheists are the same things that concern people of faith. So an atheist won't stand on the podium talking atheism but about the economy, education, defense, social issues, etc.

342 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:54:06pm

re: #339 engineer dog

More openly gay congressman than openly atheist...

343 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:55:18pm

re: #325 Slumbering Behemoth

Don't get me wrong. I would love nothing more than to see a world free from the retrograde force of organized religion. Yet I would no sooner advocate rounding up and oppressing people for their faith than I would for their skin color, social class, gender, etc.

I don't know. People seem to need something. Whatever it is called, it will be a de facto organized religion.

I'd just like for people not to seek the Extreme version of their chose faith or non-faith.

344 HappyBenghazi  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:55:38pm

Well if you look at polls big chunks of Americans say no way they'd vote for an atheist for president. Wouldn't bother me as long as candidate shared my values.

345 Kragar  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:56:00pm

Japan calls off tsunami advisory after 6.5-magnitude quake

346 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:58:11pm

re: #344 HappyWarrior

Well if you look at polls big chunks of Americans say no way they'd vote for an atheist for president. Wouldn't bother me as long as candidate shared my values.

I think there is a big disconnect with the word "athiest". I know athiests who act more like Jesus than most Christians I know.

Whacko Christians seem to think that if you don't explain "Jesus is my Savior" you can't have any shared values.

As far as my concept of G-d is concerned, I think he/it/whatever is more concerned with actions than words.

347 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:58:31pm

re: #344 HappyWarrior

Well if you look at polls big chunks of Americans say no way they'd vote for an atheist for president. Wouldn't bother me as long as candidate shared my values.

For sure. I would never vote for a candidate just because he or she was an atheist. Nor would I not vote for a candidate for being a Christian. I would vote for the candidate for who they are. Unfortunately that sometimes means "the lesser of two evils".

348 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:59:31pm

re: #336 ggt

How is everyone?

The copepods are good, so I'm great. :)

349 Kragar  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:00:10pm

re: #347 Gus 802

For sure. I would never vote for a candidate just because he or she was an atheist. Nor would I not vote for a candidate for being a Christian. I would vote for the candidate for who they are. Unfortunately that sometimes means "the lesser of two evils".

Not being a complete asshole is one of my voting criteria.

350 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:00:22pm

re: #346 ggt

I think there is a big disconnect with the word "athiest". I know athiests who act more like Jesus than most Christians I know.

Whacko Christians seem to think that if you don't explain "Jesus is my Savior" you can't have any shared values.

As far as my concept of G-d is concerned, I think he/it/whatever is more concerned with actions than words.

Which is funny because I have run into some fundies and many times I've discovered that we do share many values.

351 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:02:17pm

re: #345 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Japan calls off tsunami advisory after 6.5-magnitude quake

I actually started shaking when I read the article my son showed me. All I could think of is what it must be like for the people of Japan right now. I can seriously see how they might start thinking the "end times" are near. The fear must be all consuming. I think I'd move off the island. Immediately. Do not pack, do not cross Go, do not collect $200.

I mean, WTF!

352 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:03:47pm

re: #349 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Not being a complete asshole is one of my voting criteria.

Not possible. Complete asshole is the definition of Politician.

Remember Mark Twain?

"Politicans are like diapers, they need to be changed often and for the same reason."

353 HappyBenghazi  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:03:53pm

re: #346 ggt

I think there is a big disconnect with the word "athiest". I know athiests who act more like Jesus than most Christians I know.

Whacko Christians seem to think that if you don't explain "Jesus is my Savior" you can't have any shared values.

As far as my concept of G-d is concerned, I think he/it/whatever is more concerned with actions than words.

Yes, I think you're right about that.

354 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:08:07pm

re: #34 dragonfire1981

There's a group at my church that has been trying to get the whole congregation to go see this. I dislike a lot of Christian movies because a lot of the time they come off as too cheesy or they feature subpar actors. Not really a great way to get a message across.

There are some good ones. I thought "Shadowlands" was excellent.

Actually, I also thought "Dogma" was excellent.

I have eclectic taste.

355 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:08:26pm

re: #37 Gus 802

What's a "a converted Israeli Mossad Agent"? Converted from what?

I assumed Judaism, but I could be mistaken.

356 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:08:40pm

I don't freak out about Christmas. I don't freak out when I see "In God We Trust" in our money. I mean, you have to be realistic about these things. Say I was running for office. I wouldn't stand up there talking about "In God We Trust" on our money for hours on end. I'd talk about the economy and wealth disparity.

357 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:09:43pm

re: #355 SanFranciscoZionist

I assumed Judaism, but I could be mistaken.

Oh. Good catch. I was thinking "converted to what". The whole thing is rather strange. I don't care though. It's a free country and they can have their movie.

358 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:09:45pm

re: #42 Gus 802

Oh. What a bunch of assholes. This is from the official Twitter account:

@JerusalemMovie Jerusalem Countdown
Call FOX NEWS and tell them to look up Jerusalem Countdown...the movie that muslims don't want you to see!

I am willing to place a bet that ninety-nine percent of the world's Muslims, at least, have never the hell heard of "Jerusalem Countdown", and that most of the remaining percent have no thoughts on whether I should see it or not, except that it sounds sort of cheesy.

359 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:10:59pm

I mean. I do care. But sometimes I just don't know what else to day about these things.

360 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:11:40pm

I also think there are different levels of faith.

Childhood faith, g-d is like Santa Claus. And is presented as such to children (God, the Father & Jesus as the Good Shepherd). As I matured, I realized that that such literal explanations didn't fit reality and searched for something that worked for me.

I think there are still a lot of adults who think they have to believe in the childhood version in order to please --what I don't know, god, or the pastor or their parents.

I have also found that the RC Church is big enough for all versions--mostly. Which is something I wouldn't have believed as a young adult. I was most hostile towards religion and specifically the Church. I'm not so hostile anymore, but they still don't get my money.

361 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:11:49pm

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

Not even a dogwhistle there, just open religious bigotry. Morris Dees is going to have field day with this one.

Like shooting fish in a barrel.

(What was that video game ad for? The one where the suburban kids turn out to be playing against some special ops guys?)

362 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:12:19pm

re: #355 SanFranciscoZionist

I assumed Judaism, but I could be mistaken.

ZIONISM!!!

tigers and bears

Oh my!

363 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:13:05pm

re: #358 SanFranciscoZionist

I am willing to place a bet that ninety-nine percent of the world's Muslims, at least, have never the hell heard of "Jerusalem Countdown", and that most of the remaining percent have no thoughts on whether I should see it or not, except that it sounds sort of cheesy.

Creepy name isn't it? Imagine having the onus on the city you live. Jerusalem Countdown! Say what? I seriously hate the way these fundies use Israel. And it's so transparent IMO.

364 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:13:07pm

re: #77 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Kind of like those "Tribulation" LaHaye books. I started reading them. Then started thinking, "Hey, this is shitty writing."

Not because I don't like Christianity (I am a Christian), but because I dislike shitty writing.

I'm guessing this movie'll be this years "Hurt Locker". Well, no, it probably won't.

Slacktivist (also a Christian), has devoted an entire blog to discussing how back the writing in the LaHaye books is.

365 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:13:12pm

re: #354 SanFranciscoZionist

There are some good ones. I thought "Shadowlands" was excellent.

Actually, I also thought "Dogma" was excellent.

I have eclectic taste.

I loved Dogma.

LMAO

I don't get why some got their pantys in a twist over it. I mean, what's wrong with G-d coming to earth to play skiball?

366 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:14:06pm

re: #84 Alouette

No, just a shitpile of stupid.

I get their propaganda in my P.O. Box all the time. "Look, this Jew was dumb enough to fall for our con! So all the rest of you Jews should too!"

People in Crown Heights freak out when they get this crap in the mail. Me, I just smile to myself, what kind of really stupid assholes spend tons of their own cash to send postal Spam, and dump it in the trash can on my way out of the post office.

I once urged my husband to ram a parked car belonging to the Jews for Jesus folks.

He was startled. He also didn't ram them.

367 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:15:23pm

re: #356 Gus 802

I don't freak out about Christmas. I don't freak out when I see "In God We Trust" in our money. I mean, you have to be realistic about these things. Say I was running for office. I wouldn't stand up there talking about "In God We Trust" on our money for hours on end. I'd talk about the economy and wealth disparity.

Really,

Isn't "In God We Trust" just another way of talking about the social contract inherent in the use of money.

It's easier to to convey the concept in simple terms, than write a whole scholarly paper on each dollar bill.

I also like the idea of a non-human entity or concept. With out the g-d concept, some people would look to a human to trust. That starts trouble, IMHO.

368 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:15:39pm

It's like Israel is a prop for their magic trick. If that makes any sense. Look at all of the shit that Japan is going through now. I would never think of saying that the end of Japan is upon us. They will live on just like Israel will.

369 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:15:41pm

re: #127 Gus 802

10 bucks says this movie will not be shown in Israel.

I don't think it would make much sense to most Israelis.

370 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:16:42pm

re: #367 ggt

Really,

Isn't "In God We Trust" just another way of talking about the social contract inherent in the use of money.

It's easier to to convey the concept in simple terms, than write a whole scholarly paper on each dollar bill.

I also like the idea of a non-human entity or concept. With out the g-d concept, some people would look to a human to trust. That starts trouble, IMHO.

Funny because I have thought about that. Fiscally. Why change it now. It would just add to the debt. ;)

371 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:17:42pm

Just because you don't like something doesn't mean the whole country has to come to a stop.

372 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:17:52pm

re: #367 ggt

If we are talking about reaffirming a social contract on our money I'd prefer it say something like "in the constitution we trust". But like Gus, I wouldn't make a big deal of it if I was running for office. I doubt I'd even mention my religious beliefs at all because it is, frankly, irrelevant.

373 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:19:00pm

re: #371 Gus 802

Just because you don't like something doesn't mean the whole country has to come to a stop.

What, I'm not that important?

:)

374 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:19:12pm

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

Well, to be fair, a desire for others to be converted isn't bigotry. It's simply saying you think you are more right than they are.

You know, I have a lot of evangelical friends who really would be thrilled to pieces if I found Jesus, and I'm OK with that. We have a working understanding about it.

However, there are good and bad ways of talking about this, and Ann didn't find a good one.

Also, I imagine she'd be eternally pissed off if anyone ever tried to convert her to anything, even very indirectly.

375 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:19:46pm

re: #178 Girth

Do you have any idea how much money it will cost to launch Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck into space?

Worth every penny.

Wait...what?

376 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:19:52pm

re: #372 prononymous

If we are talking about reaffirming a social contract on our money I'd prefer it say something like "in the constitution we trust". But like Gus, I wouldn't make a big deal of it if I was running for office. I doubt I'd even mention my religious beliefs at all because it is, frankly, irrelevant.

I agree.

Something to do with "What does this do to get people jobs?"

377 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:20:37pm

re: #375 SanFranciscoZionist

Worth every penny.

Wait...what?

And they live the rest of their lives not paying Federal Income Tax.

:)

378 Kragar  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:22:10pm

re: #376 ggt

I agree.

Something to do with "What does this do to get people jobs?"

1) Rapture
2) Lots of new job openings across the board
3) PROFIT

379 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:23:17pm

re: #378 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

1) Rapture
2) Lots of new job openings across the board
3) PROFIT

Making the water drinkable again?

Cleaning up the dead locusts?

American's won't do those jobs . . .

:)

380 freetoken  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:23:55pm

Evidence is mounting that the whole process of dealing with the Fuk-1 problem is, well, Fuk'd:

TEPCO president fell sick amid troubles at its nuke plant

Masataka Shimizu, president of Tokyo Electric Power Co., which operates the crisis-hit Fukushima nuclear plant, fell sick March 16 and took some days off from the liaison office between the government and the utility firm, TEPCO officials said Sunday.

While Shimizu was away from the office set up at the firm's headquarters, he collected information and issued instructions from a different room of the headquarters building to address the troubles at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power station hit by the March 11 quake and subsequent tsunami, the officials said. He has already recovered and come back to work at the liaison office, they said.

A TEPCO spokesperson declined to elaborate on his health condition, but said he did not fall over or need to be hooked up to an intravenous drip.

Shimizu has not appeared in public since attending a press conference on March 13, two days after the catastrophe that wreaked havoc on northeastern and eastern Japan.

For those who don't remember, shortly after it became apparent that Fuk-1 was in real trouble the Japanese PM got pissed at TEPCO for so poorly handling information flow that the PM himself set up office at TEPCO to coordinate with the TEPCO head.

Now we find out that the head of TEPCO decided to call in sick... but still issue orders from his secret bunker elsewhere.

381 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:24:55pm

re: #356 Gus 802

I don't freak out about Christmas. I don't freak out when I see "In God We Trust" in our money. I mean, you have to be realistic about these things. Say I was running for office. I wouldn't stand up there talking about "In God We Trust" on our money for hours on end. I'd talk about the economy and wealth disparity.

I freak out about Christmas, but mostly because all the shopping falls on me.

382 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:26:10pm

re: #376 ggt

I agree.

Something to do with "What does this do to get people jobs?"

I've tried to rationalize it sometimes. In God We Trust means that mankind trusts God or a moral standard which is still a human construct. So when I read In God We Trust I just see it as In Man We Trust. The average American doesn't look into the Bible for guiding their every move. And the government generally looks at the USC.

383 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:26:26pm

re: #365 ggt

I loved Dogma.

LMAO

I don't get why some got their pantys in a twist over it. I mean, what's wrong with G-d coming to earth to play skiball?

Well, theologically that detail's a bit bizarre, but it was really well done for the most part.

384 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:28:48pm

re: #381 SanFranciscoZionist

I freak out about Christmas, but mostly because all the shopping falls on me.

I freak-out about Christmas because I think it's a waste of money and I don't think Jesus would have given a rat's ass how much anyone spent on gifts for his birthday. (which isn't on December 25th anyway).

He would have probably rather we celebrate it by helping others and loving each other EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR.

But, what do I know, I'm an apostate.

385 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:28:56pm

Another thing too is that I'm not one of those atheists that think that if their wasn't any religion everything would be hunky dory. It would just be the atheist version of human BS. :)

386 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:29:16pm

There not their.

387 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:29:42pm

re: #378 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

1) Rapture
2) Lots of new job openings across the board
3) PROFIT

Well, that's one way to look at it. The Rapture concerns me--in an abstract, unbeliever's sort of way--because it seems to me that the United States will logically lose more people than any other developed nation. We're gonna lose people from every sector of society, we'll have car crashes, suddenly unmanned military positions, factory floors, train switches, companies with sudden brain drain...INDIA IS NOT GOING TO NOTICE IT HAPPENED. How is this fair?

388 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:30:39pm

re: #387 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, that's one way to look at it. The Rapture concerns me--in an abstract, unbeliever's sort of way--because it seems to me that the United States will logically lose more people than any other developed nation. We're gonna lose people from every sector of society, we'll have car crashes, suddenly unmanned military positions, factory floors, train switches, companies with sudden brain drain...INDIA IS NOT GOING TO NOTICE IT HAPPENED. How is this fair?

Wow. According to what you wrote we're already in rapture. ;)

389 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:31:40pm

re: #382 Gus 802

I've tried to rationalize it sometimes. In God We Trust means that mankind trusts God or a moral standard which is still a human construct. So when I read In God We Trust I just see it as In Man We Trust. The average American doesn't look into the Bible for guiding their every move. And the government generally looks at the USC.

In "Man we Trust" I think would cause problems. You know how people are --what about women, children, black-eyed peas? We have to have a word for the "higher standard" we like to use to guide ourselves.

the "Constitution" isn't a bad idea, but it is still constructed by man.

For me the word "G-d" has just become a euphemism for "higher power" call it nature or whatever.

That than which nothing greater can be named --thomas aquinas.

390 Kragar  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:31:50pm

re: #386 Gus 802

There not their.

They're, there, and their are the bane of my existence.

I propose replacing all 3 with theyre, whose definition is based off of context.

391 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:32:03pm

Like my truther friend today. He's an atheist. Bleh. What people believe isn't a good predictor.

392 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:32:42pm

re: #383 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, theologically that detail's a bit bizarre, but it was really well done for the most part.

Hey, stranger things have happened.

If the G-d is all powerful . . .and we were created in His image . . .

Skiball is fun!

393 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:34:08pm

re: #387 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, that's one way to look at it. The Rapture concerns me--in an abstract, unbeliever's sort of way--because it seems to me that the United States will logically lose more people than any other developed nation. We're gonna lose people from every sector of society, we'll have car crashes, suddenly unmanned military positions, factory floors, train switches, companies with sudden brain drain...INDIA IS NOT GOING TO NOTICE IT HAPPENED. How is this fair?

Maybe that is the point. Those that believe in the Rapture seem to have a concept of G-d as the benevolent slave-owner. Thus, only those who still live like slaves would be saved.

394 CuriousLurker  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:34:18pm

re: #374 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

Well, to be fair, a desire for others to be converted isn't bigotry. It's simply saying you think you are more right than they are.

You know, I have a lot of evangelical friends who really would be thrilled to pieces if I found Jesus, and I'm OK with that. We have a working understanding about it.

However, there are good and bad ways of talking about this, and Ann didn't find a good one.

Also, I imagine she'd be eternally pissed off if anyone ever tried to convert her to anything, even very indirectly.

Had to come back in long enough to comment on this since I didn't see it earlier.

You're absolutely right, SFZ, on all counts (as usual). If the part about thinking "you are more right than they are" remained just a thought—or even a diplomatically worded discussion—there probably would never have been any major religious conflicts.

And with that, I'll reiterate & emphasize my longstanding profile quote and take my scaly backside off to visit Mr. Sandman:

The world is divided into people who think they are right.
—Anonymous

395 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:34:43pm

re: #385 Gus 802

I agree with this. Without religion people would just find something else to rationalize all this stuff. I think, for example, most of these anti-gay folks would still be anti-gay without religion - they just twist some part of their religion around to match their bigotry and without it they'd find something else.

396 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:35:14pm

re: #388 Gus 802

Wow. According to what you wrote we're already in rapture. ;)

I've been thinking about Japan and how the Whackos are going to have a field day with it.

Wonder how many missionaries are planning their strategy or are already there.

397 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:38:17pm

re: #394 CuriousLurker

You know, I have a lot of evangelical friends who really would be thrilled to pieces if I found Jesus, and I'm OK with that. We have a working understanding about it.

However, there are good and bad ways of talking about this, and Ann didn't find a good one.

Also, I imagine she'd be eternally pissed off if anyone ever tried to convert her to anything, even very indirectly.

Had to come back in long enough to comment on this since I didn't see it earlier.

You're absolutely right, SFZ, on all counts (as usual). If the part about thinking "you are more right than they are" remained just a thought—or even a diplomatically worded discussion—there probably would never have been any major religious conflicts.

And with that, I'll reiterate & emphasize my longstanding profile quote and take my scaly backside off to visit Mr. Sandman:

The world is divided into people who think they are right.
—Anonymous

Some animals are more equal than others. . .

It starts with the evil of objectifying humans. Once something starts separating people into those that count and those that don't, they stop being Christians IMHO.

They also stop being people of reason.

People become objects, and we see all the problems we discuss here very day.

One doesn't have to belong to an organized religion or believe in ANYTHING to see people as people. And IMHO, that is where freedom is possible.

398 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:38:35pm

re: #393 ggt

Maybe that is the point. Those that believe in the Rapture seem to have a concept of G-d as the benevolent slave-owner. Thus, only those who still live like slaves would be saved.

That's not quite what I meant...just that we have more evangelical Christians than anyone else, so we'd get hit harder if they all got taken away.

399 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:39:13pm

Maybe instead of In God We Trust, it money should say

In Liberty we Trust.

400 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:40:28pm

re: #398 SanFranciscoZionist

That's not quite what I meant...just that we have more evangelical Christians than anyone else, so we'd get hit harder if they all got taken away.

You mean they would be saved. I don't think 1% of them would be saved.

Actually, I don't believe in the whole concept of "being saved" in an afterlife.

401 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:43:57pm

re: #400 ggt

You mean they would be saved. I don't think 1% of them would be saved.

Actually, I don't believe in the whole concept of "being saved" in an afterlife.

Well, it's an abstract thing. I don't believe, not the way they do, but if they were correct...you see the problem.

402 freetoken  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:44:10pm

My take on all of this:

In 1883 Wellhausen published is famous work on the Documentary Hypothesis.

In 1859 Darwin published the Origin of Species.

In 1830 Lyell published his first version of Principles of Geology.

Lyell, Darwin, and Wellhausen destroyed the worldview of a very many people.

The resultant backlash, which includes the movements to put In God We Trust on every piece of money, are the desperate attempts on the part of some to avoid the obvious.

403 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:44:17pm

re: #395 prononymous

I agree with this. Without religion people would just find something else to rationalize all this stuff. I think, for example, most of these anti-gay folks would still be anti-gay without religion - they just twist some part of their religion around to match their bigotry and without it they'd find something else.

People would rationalize their bigotry with or without religion. It's happened before with former atheistic regimes and even on Youtube. Bigotry is not predicated on belief or non-belief. Neither is sexism, greed, gluttony, classism, etc. Religion, if one were to find it as a cause of human suffering, is still a creation of human beings. Take away the religion and you still have human nature which created religion in the first place. What we wind up with is just a secular version of that very same human nature -- and standards -- that created the religious standards to begin with. So in the end we wind up with a secular form of religiousness.

404 abolitionist  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:45:02pm

re: #390 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They're, there, and their are the bane of my existence.

I propose replacing all 3 with theyre, whose definition is based off of context.

I'd suggest thair --shorter.

405 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:46:46pm

Or more to the point. We replace Jesus with Bono or Bill Gates. We replace the parting of the Red Sea with Steve Jobs and Apple machinery and the latest I-Gadget. Television becomes our Bible.

406 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:48:46pm

Thus pop-culture starts to set "the moral standards." Which it has.

407 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:49:47pm

re: #405 Gus 802

Or more to the point. We replace Jesus with Bono or Bill Gates. We replace the parting of the Red Sea with Steve Jobs and Apple machinery and the latest I-Gadget. Television becomes our Bible.

or worse than Bono.

Mao, that guy in Zimbabwe, Brad Pitt or eeeeek Helen Thomas.

The way people reacted to Obama was a particular reminder of how humans will react to charisma.

The only thing that saves us from such outcomes is our form of government and our almost religious faith in it.

In Liberty We Trust.

408 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:50:12pm

re: #406 Gus 802

Thus pop-culture starts to set "the moral standards." Which it has.

The new Soma Tablet -- Bradjelina.

409 Gus  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:57:22pm

re: #407 ggt

or worse than Bono.

Mao, that guy in Zimbabwe, Brad Pitt or eeek Helen Thomas.

The way people reacted to Obama was a particular reminder of how humans will react to charisma.

The only thing that saves us from such outcomes is our form of government and our almost religious faith in it.

In Liberty We Trust.

I still don't see the charisma but I still resign myself to respect him. Most everyone that did see the charisma have resigned themselves to the reality of the office. There is a distinct silence on their part given the ongoing CIA renditions; the war in Afghanistan; GITMO; JP Morgan as White House Chief of Staff; and so on. Usually, I tend to observe.

410 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Mar 27, 2011 11:59:21pm

re: #409 Gus 802

I still don't see the charisma but I still resign myself to respect him. Most everyone that did see the charisma have resigned themselves to the reality of the office. There is a distinct silence on their part given the ongoing CIA renditions; the war in Afghanistan; GITMO; JP Morgan as White House Chief of Staff; and so on. Usually, I tend to observe.

I don't get it either, but people did react. I think more than they did to JFK and I can feel his charisma 40+ years after his death. I am too young to remember anything about him from personal experience.

411 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:00:18am

Odds are that Obama was briefed by intelligence sources within the first week and no sooner than that he responded with "oh shit" and changed his course soon after. Old story repeated over eons of time.

412 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:02:34am

re: #411 Gus 802

Odds are that Obama was briefed by intelligence sources within the first week and no sooner than that he responded with "oh shit" and changed his course soon after. Old story repeated over eons of time.

I imagine the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Speaker of the House, the President of the Fed and some intelligence guy no one will name saying in unison:

"Oh by the way, you have no power we don't give you"

413 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:03:21am

re: #410 ggt

I don't get it either, but people did react. I think more than they did to JFK and I can feel his charisma 40+ years after his death. I am too young to remember anything about him from personal experience.

You know what a rush is? I haven't felt it in a long time. Not with Obama, Bush, McCain, Clinton, Carter, Bush the Elder... No one moves me anymore.

414 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:04:10am

re: #413 Gus 802

You know what a rush is? I haven't felt it in a long time. Not with Obama, Bush, McCain, Clinton, Carter, Bush the Elder... No one moves me anymore.

sign of maturity?

415 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:05:33am

re: #414 ggt

sign of maturity?

Five-O. ;) Yep.

416 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:06:39am

re: #415 Gus 802

Five-O. ;) Yep.

Just don't call me Danno

or Shirley.

:)

417 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:06:49am

Politicians are a bunch of fakers. And yes, that includes the proverbial Obama.

418 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:08:16am

re: #417 Gus 802

Politicians are a bunch of fakers. And yes, that includes the proverbial Obama.

At least Reagan was a professional Actor.

419 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:09:58am

You think Obama's going to release the CIA papers on Salvador Allende? L.O.L. He won't. Of course he won't. Can't say I blame him.

420 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:11:30am

re: #419 Gus 802

You think Obama's going to release the CIA papers on Salvador Allende? L.O.L. He won't. Of course he won't. Can't say I blame him.

What would that do to Isabel's book sales?

421 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:12:13am

re: #418 ggt

At least Reagan was a professional Actor.

Acting is part of the job. Lawyering 101. Learn to act.

422 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:13:11am

re: #421 Gus 802

Acting is part of the job. Lawyering 101. Learn to act.

We all act, we all sell.

Living in Reality 101.

423 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:13:58am

re: #420 ggt

What would that do to Isabel's book sales?

Would mean a decrease in sales. Obama releases CIA papers on Salvador Allende; Kissinger; et al. Won't happen.

Chris Hitchens will die not seeing Kissinger being brought to justice. That's life.

424 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:15:05am

re: #423 Gus 802

Would mean a decrease in sales. Obama releases CIA papers on Salvador Allende; Kissinger; et al. Won't happen.

Chris Hitchens will die not seeing Kissinger being brought to justice. That's life.

Poor Chris.

425 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:15:13am

re: #422 ggt

We all act, we all sell.

Living in Reality 101.

Yep. It all weird and it sucks but that's the reality. And it comes with no religion. Just pure old fashioned secular snake oil. Amazing isn't it?

426 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:16:05am

re: #424 ggt

Poor Chris.

It sucks. He made me cry. I hate to see him go.

427 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:16:15am

re: #425 Gus 802

Yep. It all weird and it sucks but that's the reality. And it comes with no religion. Just pure old fashioned secular snake oil. Amazing isn't it?

they say snake oil will cure what ails ya'

and seal leaks in your radiator.

428 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:18:08am

re: #427 ggt

they say snake oil will cure what ails ya'

and seal leaks in your radiator.

I will prove to you that this man is guilty! And those bastards get what? 10s of thousands for going into court.

429 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:18:48am

All right, it's time for me to end this Lizard Session.

No guitar or piano.

430 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:22:12am

re: #429 ggt

All right, it's time for me to end this Lizard Session.

No guitar or piano.

Good session I might add. Later GGT.

431 theheat  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:22:48am

re: #296 Walter L. Newton

I think Texas requires you acknowledge a Supreme Being, Almighty Maker... something to that effect.

Which is one more reason I never ran for office when I lived there. Instead, I ran from it.

432 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:24:11am

Get Down On Your Knees And Pray

Youtube Video
433 albusteve  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:29:04am

feel the groove

Youtube Video
434 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:30:32am

re: #433 albusteve

feel the groove

[Video]

It's alive! Word.

435 albusteve  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:31:55am

re: #434 Gus 802

It's alive! Word.

just a hit and run

436 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:32:00am

The Band - The Weight

Youtube Video
437 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:32:13am

re: #435 albusteve

just a hit and run

Roger.

438 Summer Seale  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:34:48am

I just want to go on record and state that I refuse to watch this utterly stupid and moronic "Made for the Faithful" movie.

I have better things to do in two hours of my time than stare at this insulting fourth-grade education level drivel.

439 theheat  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:35:21am

re: #432 Gus 802

I'll take that, and raise you a twitchy banjo player.

Youtube Video
440 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:36:57am

re: #439 theheat

I'll take that, and raise you a twitchy banjo player.

[Video]

Nice.

441 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:37:02am

re: #438 Summer

I just want to go on record and state that I refuse to watch this utterly stupid and moronic "Made for the Faithful" movie.

I have better things to do in two hours of my time than stare at this insulting fourth-grade education level drivel.

I'm just more disappointed that Randy Travis, Stacy Keach, and Lee Majors had roles in it...I lost a bit of respect for them for this.

Besides, Stacy Keach will always be Sgt. Stedenko to me...

442 albusteve  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:37:49am

re: #436 Gus 802

The Band - The Weight

[Video]

put the load right on me....
fucking pain keeps me awake...
I don't pray enough I guess

443 Summer Seale  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:39:30am

re: #439 theheat

I'll take that, and raise you a twitchy banjo player.

[Video]

I see your twitchy banjo player, and raise you a...well.....another banjo player, but who's way more scary. =P

Youtube Video
444 theheat  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:39:54am

re: #441 talon_262

I'm just more disappointed that Randy Travis, Stacy Keach, and Lee Majors had roles in it...I lost a bit of respect for them for this.

I think a lot of them get to places in their careers where it's fairly easy to talk themselves into taking roles like this. Back taxes, plastic surgery - the money has places to go.

445 albusteve  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:41:03am

re: #441 talon_262

I'm just more disappointed that Randy Travis, Stacy Keach, and Lee Majors had roles in it...I lost a bit of respect for them for this.

Besides, Stacy Keach will always be Sgt. Stedenko to me...

people believe that stuff and I refuse to go all out mockery about it....my dear old mom is very devout...I just don't think about it myself and when others do, I'm basically bored with religion as a subject

446 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:42:05am

re: #442 albusteve

put the load right on me...
fucking pain keeps me awake...
I don't pray enough I guess

It sucks. I know I don't have the pain you're going through now. I still can't sleep for more than an hour at a time. Drives me nuts.

447 albusteve  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:43:08am

God damn the pusher...

Youtube Video

some serious blues

448 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:43:17am

re: #439 theheat

I'll take that, and raise you a twitchy banjo player.

[Video]

It's funny you posted that song...Johnny Cash's version (one of his last recordings, released last year) is being used in the spots for the new season of The Deadliest Catch (the first full season after Captain Phil Harris' death and the fallout between the Hansens and Discovery, which I assume has been resolved).

449 theheat  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:44:30am

re: #443 Summer

I see your twitchy banjo player, and raise you a...well...another banjo player, but who's way more scary. =P

How about tread the fringes of religious superstition? I pick straight up sexy.

Youtube Video
450 albusteve  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:45:10am

re: #446 Gus 802

It sucks. I know I don't have the pain you're going through now. I still can't sleep for more than an hour at a time. Drives me nuts.

I still have a low grade throb that can break thru and get pretty intense....but I'm not taking any narcs anymore...I got strung out, so I just have to wait for it to pass....could be soon, could be 10 in the morning

451 albusteve  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:46:05am

why can't you sleep?....is there an organic cause?

452 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:46:56am

re: #451 albusteve

why can't you sleep?...is there an organic cause?

I think it's my kidneys.

453 theheat  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:47:13am

re: #442 albusteve

put the load right on me... fucking pain keeps me awake... I don't pray enough I guess

I feel for you and I wish I could take your pain away. But don't waste a second of your life thinking it's because you don't pray enough. That's absolute bullshit.

454 albusteve  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:47:59am

re: #452 Gus 802

I think it's my kidneys.

jeezus bro....have you gotten any attention yet?...I remember back about that

455 Summer Seale  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:48:07am

re: #449 theheat

How about tread the fringes of religious superstition? I pick straight up sexy.

[Video]

One of the BEST guitar duels ever, ever, filmed. Too bad Ralph Macchio didn't really play it. =P

456 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:48:17am

re: #448 talon_262

To that effect, Mr. Johnny Cash:

Youtube Video
457 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:48:57am

re: #454 albusteve

jeezus bro...have you gotten any attention yet?...I remember back about that

Still waiting to see a doc. Been two months, They said it might be another two months.

458 albusteve  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:49:29am

re: #453 theheat

I feel for you and I wish I could take your pain away. But don't waste a second of your life thinking it's because you don't pray enough. That's absolute bullshit.

glad to hear that...I was starting to worry

459 theheat  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:49:52am

re: #455 Summer

" I'll take Steve Vai and leather pants for $500, Alex."

460 albusteve  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:50:42am

re: #457 Gus 802

Still waiting to see a doc. Been two months, They said it might be another two months.

if you pass any blood at all, head for the ER....keep well hydrated too
you'll be okay

461 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:51:19am

I better hit the hay. Have some maintenance BS to put up with in the morning.

462 Girth  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:51:34am

Holy cow.

Just filled out a job application online with a release form at the end for potential credit/background checks where you have to sign with your mouse in the box to authorize it. Except I don't use a mouse, I use a trackball. Not kidding when I say I did it over 20 times before it even looked enough like my name to submit it.

463 albusteve  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:52:09am

re: #459 theheat

" I'll take Steve Vai and leather pants for $500, Alex."

gonna get all smutty now?

464 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:52:11am

re: #460 albusteve

if you pass any blood at all, head for the ER...keep well hydrated too
you'll be okay

Haven't seen that yet. So I suppose that's good. Still, I can barely sleep. Later Steve.

465 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:52:36am

Night me buckos! ;)

466 albusteve  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:52:58am

re: #464 Gus 802

Haven't seen that yet. So I suppose that's good. Still, I can barely sleep. Later Steve.

tek care mon

467 theheat  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:54:40am

re: #463 albusteve

Get? I'm smutty most of the time. I just keep it under my hat.

I've seen Steve Vai in person in leather pants and it's probably the Ninth Wonder of the World.

468 Girth  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:55:51am

re: #467 theheat

Get? I'm smutty most of the time. I just keep it under my hat.

I've seen Steve Vai in person in leather pants and it's probably the Ninth Wonder of the World.

TMI

469 theheat  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 12:57:03am

re: #468 Girth

No, TMI would be without pants.

470 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 1:00:28am

re: #448 talon_262

Sorry...the Deadliest Catch dispute was between the Hillstrand brothers, Sig Hansen and Discovery.

471 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 1:03:54am

Harry Coover, Super Glue inventor, dies at 94

Also, good morning.

472 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 1:19:10am

re: #471 Varek Raith

All I can do is salute you Harry Coover. Mainly because all of my fingers are glued together.

473 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 1:26:59am

re: #472 prononymous

All I can do is salute you Harry Coover. Mainly because all of my fingers are glued together.

Heh, the joys of super glue.

474 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 1:33:40am

Super glue is great. With just a dab you can attach a coral fragment to nearly any surface, fix a car, or teach yourself valuable lessons about the utility of opposable thumbs, etc.

475 freetoken  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 1:34:11am

Speaking of the blindly religious:

'Graves uncovered in Jaffa pagan, not Jewish'

The ancient bones uncovered in digs next to the hotly-contested Andromeda Hill site in Jaffa are the remains of pagans and not Jews, the Antiquities Authority announced on Sunday.

The haredi organization “Atra Kadisha” on Sunday refuted the findings and vowed to hold a funeral for the bones on Monday in Jaffa.

The site has been the location of heated protests over the past year by haredi demonstrators who have clashed with police over what they say is the desecration of Jewish graves being carried out by the archaeological digs at the site. [...] The digs uncovered a wide variety of graves, and among many of them were found large numbers of pig bones. The burial of pig remains within human graves was a common practice among ancient pagans in what is today Israel.

The Antiquities Authority also mentioned on Sunday that digs that took place at Andromeda from 1993 to 1994 revealed graves from between the Persian and Byzantine periods. Most of the graves were dug into the sandstone and among them was discovered a jar containing a fetus dating to the 1800-2000 BCE, a find that the Antiquities Authority says definitively proves that there was a pagan population that lived in the area.

Last June, five police officers were injured during a protest staged by hundreds of haredim against the digs at Andromeda Hill. The police were hurt when they were hit by rocks thrown by the protesters.

The Central Rabbinical Congress of the USA and Canada announced on Sunday that it would hold protests in New York against the Andromeda hill digs and construction work on the luxury project. [...]

So, the evidence shows that these were pagan burial sites. Yet the hyper-religious don't care and are just going to go along with their preconceptions.

Religious identity is a hard thing to give up.

476 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 2:16:04am

I think I will go to sleep before the sun rises this time. Good night/morning lizards. I leave you with this nice time-lapse aurora while my dreams sail the stars.

Vimeo
477 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 2:28:26am

re: #343 ggt

I don't know. People seem to need something. Whatever it is called, it will be a de facto organized religion.

I need a lot of things. Food, water, shelter... None of what I need is dependent upon superstitious notions.

I'd just like for people not to seek the Extreme version of their chose faith or non-faith.

Word Up.

478 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 3:00:51am

re: #477 Slumbering Behemoth

people want order and predictability and they will often find that in superstitious notions

Oh well! I'm listening to Hidden Hand, they're fucking amazing

Youtube Video
479 freetoken  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 3:22:11am

More evidence of how fuk'd up the emergency work at fuk-1: On NHK they are interviewing some gov agency guy who has stayed 5 days at the plant as work is ongoing, and he is describing the work conditions. He says the workers were given just two meals a day - emergency rice rations and some can food. They were given just one blanket each (remember, it has been near freezing at nights). They had to sleep in a conference room which itself was slightly radioactive, so they were putting down lead on the floor...

It's beginning to sound like TEPCO is a classic worst case of corporate incompetence and frankly treats people as expendables.

480 researchok  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 3:27:28am

Morning, all

481 Tigger2005  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 3:30:09am

re: #472 prononymous

All I can do is salute you Harry Coover. Mainly because all of my fingers are glued together.

Hehe, and now the edge of your hand is glued to your forehead.

482 freetoken  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 3:30:17am

High-level radiation detected in trench outside Fukushima reactor building

High levels of radiation exceeding 1,000 millisieverts per hour were found in water in a trench outside the No. 2 reactor's turbine building at the troubled nuclear power plant in Fukushima on Sunday afternoon, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Monday.

One end of the tunnel-like trench is located about 55 meters from the shore, with the surface of the water staying about 1 meter below its ground-level hole. But no trace has been confirmed of the contaminated water having flowed into the sea, an official of the company said.

Similarly high levels of radioactivity have been found in a pool of water in the basement of the turbine building for the No. 2 reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi complex, raising concerns that radioactive substances may have seeped into the environment, including the sea nearby.

The level of radiation at a similar trench for the No. 1 reactor was 0.4 millisievert per hour, the utility company said, adding that radiation could not be measured at a similar location for the No. 3 unit due to difficulty getting there.

In other words, the water that normally would be sealed inside the reactor holding the fuel rods has seeped outside the buildings.

483 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 4:23:56am

re: #130 Girth

I have an aunt who wears a Star of David with the name Jesus inside of it. From what I have personally heard her and her husband say about end-times prophecy, I have no doubt that her support of Israel is based on the belief that Israel and the Jewish people are keys to the return of Christ.

Did they buy it at the Zionist Mall? I don't mind making a buck or two off these folks.

484 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 4:31:53am

There was an apocalypse of sorts this morning. The freeway that I normally take to work is shutting down, so I had to find an alternate route, driving through some of the scuzziest parts of Detroit. When I finally glimpsed the blue Ford logo on the tower, it looked like the Emerald City, even though Eminem insists "we ain't nobody's Emerald City."

Actually the Ford building where I work is blue, so it should be called the "Sapphire City."

485 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 4:43:14am

It has been long enough since I mailed my taxes that I start looking for the mailman to bring me my refund. Who uses snail mail for taxes? Troglodytes like me, that's who.

For some reason, my refund check has always arrived on a Monday...

Youtube Video
486 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 4:45:10am

re: #482 freetoken

Dreamed last night (seriously) that I got radiation poisoning and began to lose my hair... was my only symptom.

487 RIRedinPA  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 5:19:18am

It's like Fox's 24 but without having to be overt about all the Christianist stuff...nothing puts the Jesus in Christ than a bunch of believers killing non-believers.

488 RIRedinPA  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 5:20:10am

Damn, meant to say covert...stupid C key.

489 RIRedinPA  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 5:22:39am

re: #479 freetoken

You are expendable.

Signed: The Plutocracy.

490 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 5:36:14am

re: #471 Varek Raith

Harry Coover, Super Glue inventor, dies at 94

Also, good morning.

Try to get that casket open.

491 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 5:45:11am

re: #484 Alouette

It's such an ordinary looking building. I hope it's cool on the inside.

492 garhighway  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 5:48:33am

Good morning from cold and sunny NYC.

Here's this morning's Krugman:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

it's about Professor Cronon at the University of Wisconsin. Sample:

So what was the G.O.P.’s response? A demand for copies of all e-mails sent to or from Mr. Cronon’s university mail account containing any of a wide range of terms, including the word “Republican” and the names of a number of Republican politicians.

If this action strikes you as no big deal, you’re missing the point. The hard right — which these days is more or less synonymous with the Republican Party — has a modus operandi when it comes to scholars expressing views it dislikes: never mind the substance, go for the smear. And that demand for copies of e-mails is obviously motivated by no more than a hope that it will provide something, anything, that can be used to subject Mr. Cronon to the usual treatment.

The Cronon affair, then, is one more indicator of just how reflexively vindictive, how un-American, one of our two great political parties has become.

The demand for Mr. Cronon’s correspondence has obvious parallels with the ongoing smear campaign against climate science and climate scientists, which has lately relied heavily on supposedly damaging quotations found in e-mail records.

493 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 5:48:38am

re: #491 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's such an ordinary looking building. I hope it's cool on the inside.

Just the usual cubicle maze.

494 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 5:53:49am

re: #493 Alouette

I remember the first time I saw that building. I remember thinking, "Really? That's it?".

495 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 5:56:12am

re: #494 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I remember the first time I saw that building. I remember thinking, "Really? That's it?".

You're probably thinking of the "Glass House." I don't work at the "Glass House" I work at the "Blue Lagoon."

496 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 5:58:17am

re: #495 Alouette

The big office building with "Ford" onnit.

497 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 5:59:07am

re: #496 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The big office building with "Ford" onnit.

They both have big blue oval.

498 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 6:06:49am
Youtube Video
499 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 6:10:22am

I just sent my daughter a Kindle for her birthday, bought at the LGF Amazon store.

500 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 6:19:44am

Andrew Cuomo's Budget Deal to Close $10 Billion Deficit
[Link: politics.gather.com...]


Governor Andrew Cuomo's budget deal with Legislative leaders to close New York's $10 billion deficit is nearly signed and sealed. The $132.5 billion state budget deal would require state spending to drop by over "2 percent from the current year, eliminate 3,700 prison beds, establish regional economic development councils and cut school aid by more than $1 billion."

501 Randy W. Weeks  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 6:20:37am

Totally OT, but I'm really glad I didn't give up on "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" after 200 pages like I almost did.

502 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 6:21:29am

I loved the Dragon books. I listened on audio, they were wonderful!

503 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 6:24:02am

I read an old Lee Child book, "Tripwire" over the weekend. A lot of the action takes place in the World Trade Center. It was totally freaky. This book was published about a year and a half before 9/11.

504 garhighway  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 6:31:27am

re: #500 RogueOne

Andrew Cuomo's Budget Deal to Close $10 Billion Deficit
[Link: politics.gather.com...]

I think it is great he hammered out a deal. I just wish it wasn't so hard on the smaller, poorer school districts.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

505 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 6:42:14am

re: #503 Alouette

I read a Nelson DeMille book that the events of 9-11 played a role in wrap up of the plot.

Came out of nowhere... was well done. Surprised the shit out of me.

506 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 6:43:12am

Good morning lizards!

Barrett Brown's comrades are attacking AIPAC...

Anonymous targets American Israel PAC: Operation Palestine

Sunday those claiming to represent the Internet hacktivist group known as "Anonymous" launched a cyber attack against The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). The attack is aimed at the website, aipac.org, and conducted via a modified LOIC (Low Orbit Ion Cannon) used to execute DDoS attacks. A distributed denial-of-service attack (DDoS attack) is an attempt to make a computer resource unavailable to its intended users.

According to the announcement from Anonymous:

America's Pro-Israel Lobby (AIPAC) is known for being one of the most powerful lobbies, keeping politicians in their pockets. During 2009, the U.S. provided Israel with at least 8.2 million per day in military aid and $0 in military aid to the Palestinians.

We are having none of it.

The notice goes on to give "attack instructions" on the installation and utilization of the LOIC (low orbit ion cannon).

507 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 6:45:07am

I'm reading The Angel's Game by Carlos Ruiz Zafon.

I think Zafon is one of the best authors I've ever read.

508 darthstar  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 6:46:18am

re: #501 LoneStarSpur

Totally OT, but I'm really glad I didn't give up on "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" after 200 pages like I almost did.

It was a slow read in parts, but a pretty good book. I read the second book in the series first, so I knew some of the characters and that made it go a little faster.

509 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 6:46:34am

re: #506 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

Barrett Brown's comrades are attacking AIPAC...

Anonymous targets American Israel PAC: Operation Palestine

The notice goes on to give "attack instructions" on the installation and utilization of the LOIC (low orbit ion cannon).

Anon=cyber lynch mob

510 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 6:58:14am

Did anyone see "Sucker Punch"? I heard that it totally sucks.

511 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 7:01:54am

Have a great day all!

512 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 7:02:37am

re: #509 Alouette

Good morning, Alouette. Sorry to interrupt whatever you guys are talking about, but when you have time can you please look at my latest page and let me know if you have any advice or suggestions? Thanks.

*waves at other lizards* I'll now get back to work and return you to the program already in progress...

513 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 7:04:44am

re: #510 Alouette

A moron who I know said it is "Simply the greatest movie that I have ever seen." That means I ain't goin'.

514 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 7:06:28am

re: #512 CuriousLurker

Good morning, Alouette. Sorry to interrupt whatever you guys are talking about, but when you have time can you please look at my latest page and let me know if you have any advice or suggestions? Thanks.

*waves at other lizards* I'll now get back to work and return you to the program already in progress...

Lots of good titles at the Zionist Mall bookstore.

515 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 7:06:56am

re: #510 Alouette

Did anyone see "Sucker Punch"? I heard that it totally sucks.

Here's an interesting take on it by a guy who does a (great) SF Webcartoon:

[Link: www.schlockmercenary.com...]

516 Randy W. Weeks  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 7:15:04am

re: #508 darthstar

It was a slow read in parts, but a pretty good book. I read the second book in the series first, so I knew some of the characters and that made it go a little faster.

I'm on the second one right now. Being the old, sappy dad that I am I just want to hug Lisbeth sometimes. Poor kid.

I don't usually get out of my comfort zone in my reading (I should really quit that)...glad I did this time.

517 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 7:34:31am

re: #514 Alouette

Lots of good titles at the Zionist Mall bookstore.

Do you have Richard Elliott Friedman's "Commentary on the Torah"? I've been studying a copy from our local public library as my lenten discipline this year and intend to buy a copy. If I can get it through you, that would be cool.

Thanks!

518 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 7:37:12am

Charles should have a section for LGF book recommendations and comments.

519 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 7:37:16am

re: #517 wlewisiii

Do you have Richard Elliott Friedman's "Commentary on the Torah"? I've been studying a copy from our local public library as my lenten discipline this year and intend to buy a copy. If I can get it through you, that would be cool.

Thanks!

It's available at Amazon, and even though I have an Amazon link at my site, there's an Amazon link right here on LGF.

520 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 7:37:58am

Warning: can't be unseen.

[Link: www.rollingstone.com...]

521 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 7:38:33am

re: #517 wlewisiii

Do you have Richard Elliott Friedman's "Commentary on the Torah"? I've been studying a copy from our local public library as my lenten discipline this year and intend to buy a copy. If I can get it through you, that would be cool.

Thanks!

Amazon link. (Charles gets the sale)

522 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 7:38:50am

re: #519 Alouette

It's available at Amazon, and even though I have an Amazon link at my site, there's an Amazon link right here on LGF.

That's fine, I'll use Charle's link then. I just was looking to buy through your site if possible.

523 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 7:39:28am

re: #521 Alouette

Amazon link. (Charles gets the sale)

Great! Thanks!

524 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 7:41:38am

re: #518 Naso Tang

Charles should have a section for LGF book recommendations and comments.

Some sites like FDL often have book nights-- they try to get the author to be available for chat as well. It'd be cool to see that happen here.

Also pages would be a good place to discuss books. I keep meaning to start a sunday book review page but haven't done it yet.

525 Semper Fi  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 7:43:20am

re: #524 iceweasel

Some sites like FDL often have book nights-- they try to get the author to be available for chat as well. It'd be cool to see that happen here.

Also pages would be a good place to discuss books. I keep meaning to start a sunday book review page but haven't done it yet.

What a lovely idea...good morning everyone.

526 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 7:47:26am

We could talk about books now. It's the early morning thread.

527 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 7:48:45am

As I mentioned upthread, just read Lee Child's "Tripwire" over the weekend. Totally weirded me out because it takes place in the World Trade Center. Published just a little over a year before 9/11.

528 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 7:49:14am

re: #524 iceweasel

Some sites like FDL often have book nights-- they try to get the author to be available for chat as well. It'd be cool to see that happen here.

Also pages would be a good place to discuss books. I keep meaning to start a sunday book review page but haven't done it yet.

Yes anyone could do their own page, but ideally it should be its own category to find more easily. Books could have their own rating, like karma, rather than give the points to whoever first listed it.

529 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 7:49:43am

I'm always looking for new mystery authors.

530 Achilles Tang  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 7:51:10am

re: #526 Alouette

We could talk about books now. It's the early morning thread.

I'm reading "Moonwalking with Einstein" right now. Very interesting and even amusing.

531 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 7:51:21am

re: #529 Alouette

I'm always looking for new mystery authors.

I'm guessing you've already read Ruth Rendell? I love her.

Also in books, lunatic Jack Cashill is over at American Thinker claiming Ayers has admitted authoring Obama's books. He doesn't understand snark, it seems.

532 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 7:54:02am

re: #531 iceweasel

I'm guessing you've already read Ruth Rendell? I love her.

Also in books, lunatic Jack Cashill is over at American Thinker claiming Ayers has admitted authoring Obama's books. He doesn't understand snark, it seems.

My mom is a huge Ruth Rendell fan. She would probably send me all her old books if I asked for them.

Have you ever read Mo Hayder? Very good if you're into creepy.

533 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 7:55:55am

Any Steven King fans out there. His son is getting published now. Joe Hill. Really interesting, odd stuff.

534 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 7:56:34am

Poll: Prominent GOP Prez Hopefuls Have Grown More Unpopular

The fact that the more Americans are exposed to them, the less they like them certainly does not bode well for their competitiveness next year.

535 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 7:56:53am

My favorite mystery authors are: Lee Child (I am totally into the Reacher series), Michael Connelly, Preston/Child, Jonathan Kellerman, Greg Iles, Linda Fairstein.

536 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 7:59:29am

re: #532 Alouette

My mom is a huge Ruth Rendell fan. She would probably send me all her old books if I asked for them.

Have you ever read Mo Hayder? Very good if you're into creepy.

No, I haven't. Thanks for the rec!

Rendell writes 3 or 4 different kinds of novels: some are police (Inspector Wexford) some are like Patricia Highsmith but creepier. I don't really know how to classify her. She also writes under the name Barbara Vine but I tend to like those less.
I'd recommend The veiled one, Going Wrong, Talking to Strange Men, The Face of Trespass, The Killing Doll--- her older ones are much better, I think. Good psychological crime stuff.

537 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:00:26am

I like Jeffrey Deaver's Lincoln Rhyme series, also his Rune mysteries. All his other books totally suck, though.

538 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:02:29am

I used to like Nora Roberts until she got into the "Harry Potter for middle-aged women" phase.

539 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:15:35am

re: #534 Killgore Trout
Each candidate fighting to win the primary effectively also fight to lose the main event. Their own primary campaign will be the best weapon to marginalize them in the publics mind.

540 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:16:54am

Barrett Brown and Friends....
Anonymous targets American Israel PAC: Operation Palestine

541 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:17:56am

Chocker: This weekend's outrageous outrage was bogus....
How my wait in a closet almost brought down the White House

542 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:18:43am

re: #539 Rightwingconspirator

Each candidate fighting to win the primary effectively also fight to lose the main event. Their own primary campaign will be the best weapon to marginalize them in the publics mind.

Yeah, it looks like the Republicans have painted themselves into a corner.

543 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:19:36am

re: #541 Killgore Trout

Chocker: This weekend's outrageous outrage was bogus...
How my wait in a closet almost brought down the White House

The nutsosphere is all about Ayers today, again, it seems.

544 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:20:11am

Freedom on the march in the Middle East...

The prominent member of the Muslim Brotherhood now lives in London, and anticipates the group could become an important player in a post-Gadhafi environment.

As in Egypt and Tunisia, the Brotherhood in Libya has been energized by the sudden upheaval sweeping the Arab world.

[Link: edition.cnn.com...]

Thank goodness there's something to fill the void in these countries who are ousting their dictators... I was afraid it was going to be chaos.

545 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:21:53am

re: #543 iceweasel

The nutsosphere is all about Ayers today, again, it seems.

They have never had a sarcasm meter, have they???

546 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:21:56am

re: #543 iceweasel

The nutsosphere is all about Ayers today, again, it seems.

They never get tired of making themselves look like fools. I also notice all resistance to the Birthers has evaporated. It's not even close to their dumbest conspiracy theory anymore.

547 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:23:13am

re: #546 Killgore Trout

They never get tired of making themselves look like fools. I also notice all resistance to the Birthers has evaporated. It's not even close to their dumbest conspiracy theory anymore.

I think they can count on the alien abductee vote however...
///

548 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:27:23am

re: #546 Killgore Trout

They never get tired of making themselves look like fools. I also notice all resistance to the Birthers has evaporated. It's not even close to their dumbest conspiracy theory anymore.

That's certainly saying something, and it ain't good.

re: #545 Varek Raith

They have never had a sarcasm meter, have they???

Nope. I've often wondered why. Probably relates to why they just don't do funny, too.

549 garhighway  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:28:52am

re: #543 iceweasel

The nutsosphere is all about Ayers today, again, it seems.

I think it is safe to assume that the 2012 campaign is going to be a Greatest Hits version of 2008, plus a few new releases: Obamacare, deficits, and stimulus.

550 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:30:04am

re: #549 garhighway

I think it is safe to assume that the 2012 campaign is going to be a Greatest Hits version of 2008, plus a few new releases: Obamacare, deficits, and stimulus.

I bet Jeremiah Wright and Saul Alinsky will still be key players this season. /

551 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:32:23am

re: #546 Killgore Trout

They never get tired of making themselves look like fools. I also notice all resistance to the Birthers has evaporated. It's not even close to their dumbest conspiracy theory anymore.

I just had a vision of whoever gets the GOP presidential nod turning to Obama during the 1st debate and saying, "Mr. President, where is your birth certificate!!1!!"

That would be epic :D

552 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:34:14am

re: #551 publicityStunted

I just had a vision of whoever gets the GOP presidential nod turning to Obama during the 1st debate and saying, "Mr. President, where is your birth certificate!!1!!"

That would be epic :D

Every sentence composed of a noun, a verb, and "birth certificate" !

553 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:35:54am

re: #551 publicityStunted

I just had a vision of whoever gets the GOP presidential nod turning to Obama during the 1st debate and saying, "Mr. President, where is your birth certificate!!1!!"

That would be epic :D

At the very least the press is going to have a field day asking Republican candidates if the believe in Cloward piven, New world Order or whatever conspiracy the wingnuts are peddling that week.

554 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:40:17am

re: #553 Killgore Trout

You forgot gold, the UN, and states' rights.

Wait, I hear helicopters overhead. They're b[l]ack. /

555 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:41:08am

re: #551 publicityStunted

I just had a vision of whoever gets the GOP presidential nod turning to Obama during the 1st debate and saying, "Mr. President, where is your birth certificate!!1!!"

That would be epic :D

"Excuse me while I whip this out."

556 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:45:23am

re: #555 Alouette

"Excuse me while I whip this out."

I think he's yelling, 'The sheriff president is a-near!

557 garhighway  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:47:20am

re: #553 Killgore Trout

At the very least the press is going to have a field day asking Republican candidates if the believe in Cloward piven, New world Order or whatever conspiracy the wingnuts are peddling that week.

It will be interesting to see how GOP candidates will handle this. They must know that pandering to the Tea Party base in the debate/primary/caucus season will be bad for them come the fall. Watching them try to walk the tightrope of saying enough to placate the base without saying stuff that is autumn poison will be fascinating.

That's where candidacies by Bachmann and Palin can really hurt the GOP. They will push everyone further to the crazy end of the spectrum in ways that can hurt them later.

558 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:49:07am

re: #556 iceweasel

Obama - Ooh, baby, you are so talented!
[looks into the camera]
Obama - And they are so *dumb*!

559 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:50:08am

re: #556 iceweasel

I think he's yelling, 'The sheriff president is a-near!

"it is my priviledge to extend to you Laurel and Hardy handshake"

560 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:50:55am

Jesus General on twitter:

JC_Christian Gen JC Christian
RT @Wolfrum: Twitter is now 5-years old. Or, as the GOP puts it, "old enough to work in a factory."

heh.

561 dragonfire1981  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:53:22am

With regards to the main topic, count me as a Christian who respects Jews and what they believe.

562 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:58:14am

Three types of plutonium found in soil at five different points inside grounds of Japan nuclear power plant, owner says.

563 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:58:56am

re: #562 Varek Raith

Three types of plutonium found in soil at five different points inside grounds of Japan nuclear power plant, owner says.

That'll be six types at ten locations, then.

564 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:59:38am

re: #563 wozzablog

That'll be six types at ten locations, then.

Yeah, TEPCO has zero credibility to me.

565 Kragar  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:59:49am

re: #551 publicityStunted

I just had a vision of whoever gets the GOP presidential nod turning to Obama during the 1st debate and saying, "Mr. President, where is your birth certificate!!1!!"

That would be epic :D

"Where is yours? Sorry, but I'll need to see a heat map of that first."

566 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:00:49am

re: #131 freetoken

re: #131 freetoken

The dispensationalists' apocalyptic fantasies arose in the early 20th century, as American Christianity became less and less "Reformed" and more emotionally based. It came along as part of the rise of what we think of today as "fundamentalism" - a movement to reject critical (academic) analysis of the Bible and various doctrines.

Part of it was also anti-Catholicism, but that has faded over the years.

Very true, and I would also add that there are many of them who think the Roman Empire will be revived. I don't like the Catholic bashing (I'm not one). I can disagree with points of doctrine, but there are many aspects of a liturgical church (e.g., Catholic, Episcopalian) that I can appreciate, having been raised in a more "informal" environment, and having a love of the arts (my username is an indication of my favorite artist). My criticism of the Catholic Church is that its hierarchy historically "interpreted" the Scriptures for its members and reading/inerpreting the Bible for yourself was discouraged, if not forbidden. The printing press changed all that because it made the printed word available to everyone (everyone who could read, that is).

That said, I don't believe that "critical" analysis of the Bible is merely "academic." It doesn't require a college degree to engage the mind and employ critical thinking.

567 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:00:59am

re: #565 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Where is yours? Sorry, but I'll need to see a heat map of that first."

"Can my opponent prove he's not just a figment of my imagination? VOTE FOR ME!"

568 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:03:51am

re: #567 Varek Raith

"Can my opponent prove he's not just a figment of my imagination? VOTE FOR ME!"

When the camera is no longer on them - do they still exist?

569 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:04:17am

It snowedadid. Just a dusting though.

570 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:04:53am

re: #560 iceweasel

Jesus General on twitter:

JC_Christian Gen JC Christian
RT @Wolfrum: Twitter is now 5-years old. Or, as the GOP puts it, "old enough to work in a factory."

heh.

5 years old? Late bloomer.

/

571 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:08:20am

more on the new PPP pol...
More from our Republican poll

-Romney's health care plan. This is the killer. 61% of GOP primary voters say they wouldn't vote for someone who supported a bill at the state level mandating that people have health insurance.
...
One other note from our Republican primary poll- GOP voters think that the ACORN threat has gone down significantly. In November of 2009 we found 52% of Republicans thought ACORN had stolen the election for Barack Obama in 2008. Now only 25% think the organization will steal the election for him again next year, while 43% think it will not and 32% aren't sure yet.

Now 25% may seem like a high percentage to think that an organization no longer in existence will manage to steal a Presidential election but it's less than half the number who thought that two years ago.

572 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:08:43am

Monday morning. We now await more words of wisdom from the TGOP as the week begins. I look forward to it.

[Grabs bottle of whisky.]

573 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:08:45am

re: #570 Gus 802

5 years old? Late bloomer.

/

Oh joy, another "I walked 15 miles during a blizzard on the way to school" story.
;)

574 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:09:41am

re: #573 Varek Raith

Oh joy, another "I walked 15 miles during a blizzard on the way to school" story.
;)

15 miles! In a blizzard. Sometimes we'd come under attack! True story.

//

575 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:10:15am

re: #574 Gus 802

15 miles! In a blizzard. Sometimes we'd come under attack! True story.

//

Martians???

576 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:10:43am

Mmmm. I love it when my software comes up with "Not Responding".

Grrr.

577 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:11:13am

re: #575 Varek Raith

Martians???

The Irish!

//

578 HappyBenghazi  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:12:09am

re: #571 Killgore Trout

more on the new PPP pol...
More from our Republican poll

I am not surprised. THe knowledge of Romney's health care plan in Massachusetts combined with his opponents hammering him for it means Mitt will not last long. Plus, I think his opponents this time around will be able to expose his flopping on the issues more effectively than his in 2008.

579 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:12:28am

@mmfa Media Matters
It seems like Fox is fully embracing birtherism [Link: mm4a.org...] #p2

Ya think?

580 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:12:38am

re: #572 Gus 802

Monday morning. We now await more words of wisdom from the TGOP as the week begins. I look forward to it.

[Grabs bottle of whisky.]

Donald Trump and Fox have gone Full Metal Wingnut on Birtherism.

DONALD TRUMP: They asked John McCain for his birth certificate. They've asked others for their birth certificate. They asked Bush for his birth certificate, by the way. I just found out over the weekend. And they would ask me for my birth certificate and by the way, it's sitting on the top of my desk. They give you a certificate of live birth, which anybody can get, just walk into the hospital, and you get a certificate of live birth. It's not even signed by people. Now, this guy either has a birth certificate or he doesn't. And I didn't think this was such a big deal, but I will tell you, it's turning out to be a very big deal because people now are calling me from all over saying, please don't give up on this issue. If you weren't born in this country, you cannot be president.

CARLSON: Do you think he was born in this country?

TRUMP: I am really concerned. And I will tell you, when this all started a week ago, I assumed, hey, look, you have no doctors that remember. You have no nurses - this is the President of the United States - that remember. That ad that was placed in the Houston paper, that was placed in the paper days after he was born. So he could have come into the country, and they did it for social reasons they put it in! They did it for whatever reason. There are a lot of reasons you could have put an ad in. But he could have been born outside of this country. Why can't he produce a birth certificate and by the way, there is one story that his family doesn't even know what hospital he was born in!

581 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:14:00am

re: #580 iceweasel

Is there a tinfoil hat hidden under Donald's hairpiece?

582 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:15:06am

re: #580 iceweasel

Why are we listening to a man who has bankrupted multiple enterprises?

583 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:15:14am

re: #580 iceweasel

Donald Trump and Fox have gone Full Metal Wingnut on Birtherism.

Ice! We're on a Vulcan mind meld or something. Poor Donald. What a dufus. And Fox, and Hannity, and Dr. O'Reilly. Fox and Friends is like watching the chimp cage at the local zoo. Of course the chimps are much smarter and contribute more to society. :)

584 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:15:57am

re: #566 Girl with a Pearl Earring

That said, I don't believe that "critical" analysis of the Bible is merely "academic." It doesn't require a college degree to engage the mind and employ critical thinking.

Personally I find the whole idea, that you need to be an academic or a theologian to read the bible with a critical eye, ridiculous. Critical thinking is something that should be applied by everybody to nearly everything they interact with.

I'm an atheist, but I have read the bible, among other religious texts, quite a lot. Yet there are people of faith that have never even cracked their own religion's holy book. What a sad, sad state of affairs IMO.

585 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:16:28am

re: #582 ProLifeLiberal

Why are we listening to a man who has bankrupted multiple enterprises?

Bankrupt you say! Why he was just a victim of the socialist business environment in Murica. And the homosexual agenda!

//

586 garhighway  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:16:37am

re: #582 ProLifeLiberal

Why are we listening to a man who has bankrupted multiple enterprises?

campaign slogan:

"The US is going broke. We need a President who knows how to do that right: Trump For America."

587 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:16:58am

Frivolous lawsuits!!11ty

/

588 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:18:09am

re: #583 Gus 802

Ice! We're on a Vulcan mind meld or something.

You had me at 'whisky' too!

Poor Donald. What a dufus. And Fox, and Hannity, and Dr. O'Reilly. Fox and Friends is like watching the chimp cage at the local zoo. Of course the chimps are much smarter and contribute more to society. :)

They also throw less poo. ;)

589 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:18:24am

re: #581 Girl with a Pearl Earring

Is there a tinfoil hat hidden under Donald's hairpiece?

Hey Donald. Your hair looks good.

/

590 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:18:34am

re: #586 garhighway

campaign slogan:

"The US is going broke. We need a President who knows how to do that right: Trump For America."

Thankfully it didn't work for Carly Fiorina.

591 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:18:53am

re: #581 Girl with a Pearl Earring

Is there a tinfoil hat hidden under Donald's hairpiece?

No. That's a focusing mirror.
PEWPEWPEW

592 Simply Sarah  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:20:15am

re: #571 Killgore Trout

more on the new PPP pol...
More from our Republican poll

I, uh, am not sure they're reading those numbers properly. The old poll was asking *if* they had stolen the election, while this one is asking about if they will do it again this next election. "Only" 25% saying that they will do so just means that some number feel that the 'threat' from ACORN has been neutralized enough to prevent a repeat, while a quarter *still* think that ACORN not just intends to rig the election in favor of Obama, but will succeed. I'm not really sure how you can take anything even remotely positive from those numbers.

593 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:21:32am

re: #582 ProLifeLiberal

What's wrong with bankrupting a company?

594 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:21:57am

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595 HappyBenghazi  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:22:00am

re: #582 ProLifeLiberal

Why are we listening to a man who has bankrupted multiple enterprises?

Good question, it can't be the hair can it? Or the general douchebag vibe he gives off.

596 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:23:14am

re: #594 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

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597 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:24:16am

re: #595 HappyWarrior

It's about balancing the budget.

He'll just stop paying all the bills! Simple economics, silly.

598 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:24:20am

re: #594 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

INSTALLING SPRING...
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We will have a relatively dry day today so I have a lot of yardwork to cram in while there's a break in the rain. It's just not physically possible to do everything that needs to be done with such short breaks in the weather.

599 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:24:47am

re: #593 Shropshire_Slasher

What's wrong with bankrupting a company?

It is killing a person. /

600 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:25:45am

re: #599 prononymous

It is killing a person. /

It's also a slave to the CEO.
/Way to open that can o'worms, SCOTUS.
:)

601 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:26:24am

re: #584 prononymous

Agree completely with your comments.

602 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:26:39am

re: #596 Varek Raith

Classic.

603 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:26:57am

re: #593 Shropshire_Slasher

It generally shows incompetence at making good business decisions. I don't have a huge issue with it, except that this douche is making himself out to be a great businessman, and that is bullcrap.

604 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:27:19am

re: #598 Killgore Trout

It just stopped snowing here.

605 garhighway  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:27:55am

re: #593 Shropshire_Slasher

What's wrong with bankrupting a company?

When you are selling yourself as the "can do, practical guy who has run successful businesses" (my paraphrase), then examining the truth of that narrative is fair.

Trump's business history is one of boom and bust: borrow a shitload of money and see if you can use it to make a pile. If he does, everyone wins, and if doesn't, he folds up shop, files BK and stiffs the lenders. And that's all well and good: the rules permit that. But does any of that sound like it qualifies him to be President? It isn't like that model is adaptable to the US Government, unless we expect to embark upon a workout where we try to stiff the holders of US Government debt. (Who are largely you, me and millions of other people with pension funds, 401k funds, and money market mutual funds.)

606 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:28:12am

re: #604 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It just stopped snowing here.

How much ya get?
I got a half inch. All gone within a few hours.

607 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:29:43am

re: #603 ProLifeLiberal

Wasn't a classic "We're Bankrupt" bankruptcy. Was a negotiation ploy, IIRC.

In the art of the deal? "Honey Badger" don't give a shit. Makes him a little more dangerous.

But, he'd be a terrible POTUS, IMO.

608 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:30:16am

re: #606 Varek Raith

Already gone. And I'm feelin' strong. I will sing this vict'ry song.
Woo hoo hoo!

609 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:31:00am

re: #608 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Already gone. And I'm feelin' strong. I will sing this vict'ry song.
Woo hoo hoo!

Don't jinx it!
:)

610 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:31:21am

re: #419 Gus 802

You think Obama's going to release the CIA papers on Salvador Allende? L.O.L. He won't. Of course he won't. Can't say I blame him.

Can I say that I'd think a lot more of him if he did?

611 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:31:46am

re: #588 iceweasel

You had me at 'whisky' too!

They also throw less poo. ;)

Got distracted with some work going on around here.

Yeah, a couple of years ago everyone hated him.

612 Bear  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:32:12am

re: #605 garhighway

What do you think Inflation does?

613 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:32:19am

re: #438 Summer

I just want to go on record and state that I refuse to watch this utterly stupid and moronic "Made for the Faithful" movie.

I have better things to do in two hours of my time than stare at this insulting fourth-grade education level drivel.

Nowhere is it written that the faithful can't have good taste in entertainment.

614 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:32:21am

re: #610 SanFranciscoZionist

Can I say that I'd think a lot more of him if he did?

Ditto.

Ugh. Sometimes I hate reading what I said the night before though. :)

615 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:33:13am

re: #613 SanFranciscoZionist

Nowhere is it written that the faithful can't have good taste in entertainment.

I thought "Amazing Grace" was really pretty good for a Christian-themed movie.

616 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:33:21am

Just finished watching "Das Boot". For the first time.

Can't imagine riding around in one of those damn things for a day, much less longer.

Sailors? Salute!

617 garhighway  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:33:49am

re: #612 Bear

What do you think Inflation does?

How is that question relevant to this conversation?

618 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:34:23am

re: #616 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Just finished watching "Das Boot". For the first time.

Can't imagine riding around in one of those damn things for a day, much less longer.

Sailors? Salute!

Dude, this is the first time you're seeing that awesome movie?!?!
I'm disappointed.
/

619 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:34:27am

re: #616 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Just finished watching "Das Boot". For the first time.

Can't imagine riding around in one of those damn things for a day, much less longer.

Sailors? Salute!

I rewatched that recently too. Really a great movie and it still holds up after all this time.

620 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:36:31am

re: #471 Varek Raith

Harry Coover, Super Glue inventor, dies at 94

Also, good morning.

God bless that man. I'm trying to think of something funny to say about flights of angels and Super Glue, but it's not coming to me right now.

621 Kragar  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:36:41am

re: #616 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Just finished watching "Das Boot". For the first time.

Can't imagine riding around in one of those damn things for a day, much less longer.

Sailors? Salute!

The only funny joke in any Uwe Boll movie

Jurgen Prochnow runs a tour boat in the the movie House of the Dead. One of his passengers asks, "What are you? A U-Boat captain?"

622 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:37:11am

re: #618 Varek Raith
Hey! Even you saw it for the first time! Neener!

re: #619 Killgore Trout

Can't say I enjoyed it, but it was amazing.

623 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:37:25am

re: #621 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The only funny joke in any Uwe Boll movie

Jurgen Prochnow runs a tour boat in the the movie House of the Dead. One of his passengers asks, "What are you? A U-Boat captain?"

YOU WILL NOT MENTION HE WHO IS NOT TO BE MENTIONED!!!
￣へ￣

624 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:39:27am

re: #475 freetoken

Speaking of the blindly religious:

'Graves uncovered in Jaffa pagan, not Jewish'

So, the evidence shows that these were pagan burial sites. Yet the hyper-religious don't care and are just going to go along with their preconceptions.

Religious identity is a hard thing to give up.

Ya know, pagan or no, they're probably ancestors. Nu, let's go ahead and have a funeral.

//Sort of.

625 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:39:51am

re: #621 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The only funny joke in any Uwe Boll movie

Jurgen Prochnow runs a tour boat in the the movie House of the Dead. One of his passengers asks, "What are you? A U-Boat captain?"

Oh. That Uwe Boll. Many people have dedicated their lives to freaking out about Uwe Boll. His own personal set of stalkers.

626 Kragar  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:40:45am

re: #623 Varek Raith

YOU WILL NOT MENTION HE WHO IS NOT TO BE MENTIONED!!!
￣へ￣


UWE BOLL!
UWE BOLL!
UWE BOLL!
UWE BOLL!
UWE BO---

/click...bzzz

627 garhighway  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:41:36am

OT: The NYT has been running a nice series recapping in real time the events of 150 years ago.

[Link: opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com...]

This week's entry focuses on the decision to reinforce Ft. Sumter. It is interesting to see that the decisions we took for granted in history class were close calls at the time.

628 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:41:37am

re: #625 Gus 802

Oh. That Uwe Boll. Many people have dedicated their lives to freaking out about Uwe Boll. His own personal set of stalkers.

That man is a menace to all that is wholesome and decent!
Or something.

629 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:42:10am

re: #626 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Time for the sacking.

631 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:42:18am

re: #626 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

UWE BOLL!
UWE BOLL!
UWE BOLL!
UWE BOLL!
UWE BO---

/click...bzzz

Great.
You just doomed an awesome game to the hell of one of his movies.
/

632 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:43:12am

re: #628 Varek Raith

That man is a menace to all that is wholesome and decent!
Or something.

Some people never "get over it". Ken Burns has another psycho "following."

633 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:43:26am

re: #630 Gus 802

Even though I hate him I have dedicated my whole existence to following and blogging about Uwe Boll.

That gif could come in handy. Favourited!

634 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:43:55am

Lol.

Boll also made a bid to direct the upcoming World of Warcraft movie, but was turned away by the owners of the Warcraft franchise, Blizzard Entertainment who said: "‘We will not sell the movie rights, not to you…especially not to you." Boll responded "Because it’s such a big online game suc­cess, maybe a bad movie would destroy that ongo­ing income, what the com­pany has with it.”.
635 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:44:20am

re: #633 iceweasel

That gif could come in handy. Favourited!

This should come in hand too...

Image: 1266431779-muppet.jpg

636 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:44:30am

re: #631 Varek Raith

Great.
You just doomed an awesome game to the hell of one of his movies.
/

A starcraft movie? A quake movie? A pong movie?

I don't know but have already felt the disturbance in the force.

637 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:44:32am

re: #630 Gus 802

Even though I hate him I have dedicated my whole existence to following and blogging about Uwe Boll.

The same mentality applies to the stalkers at Dead Louse.

638 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:44:34am

re: #635 Gus 802

Handy not hand. Sheesh.

639 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:44:56am

re: #616 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That was probably one of the best sub-related movies made. Definitely recalled the terror experienced by submariners during WWII - and even though the focus was on the Nazi U-boat crew, such was the life for all submariners during the war. The constant worry about being caught by enemy destroyers, depth charges, mines, aircraft, and just when you think they'll make it back to port safely, getting hit as they come ashore.

Pretty much every other sub movie pales in comparison, except for perhaps Red October, and from a completely different genre, Operation Petticoat.

640 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:45:59am

re: #639 lawhawk

That was probably one of the best sub-related movies made. Definitely recalled the terror experienced by submariners during WWII - and even though the focus was on the Nazi U-boat crew, such was the life for all submariners during the war. The constant worry about being caught by enemy destroyers, depth charges, mines, aircraft, and just when you think they'll make it back to port safely, getting hit as they come ashore.

Pretty much every other sub movie pales in comparison, except for perhaps Red October, and from a completely different genre, Operation Petticoat.

If I remember correctly my only complaint was that it ended to quickly. But, a lot of movies are like that. No biggie.

641 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:46:04am

re: #621 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Uwe Boll has proven to be a killing word. /House Atreides

642 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:46:24am

re: #641 lawhawk

Uwe Boll has proven to be a killing word. /House Atreides

Slowly I turn...

643 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:46:54am

re: #637 Alouette

The same mentality applies to the stalkers at Dead Louse.

Diary of Dead Lice?

//

644 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:47:42am

Ah, that was fun.

645 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:47:48am

re: #506 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

Barrett Brown's comrades are attacking AIPAC...

Anonymous targets American Israel PAC: Operation Palestine

The notice goes on to give "attack instructions" on the installation and utilization of the LOIC (low orbit ion cannon).

Or rather, SOMEONE is attacking AIPAC. How can these guys tell if it's actually them or not? They all look alike in those V-for-Vendetta masks.

(GOD that was a dumb movie.)

646 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:48:45am

re: #535 Alouette

My favorite mystery authors are: Lee Child (I am totally into the Reacher series), Michael Connelly, Preston/Child, Jonathan Kellerman, Greg Iles, Linda Fairstein.

Read any Laura Lippman?

647 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:49:21am

re: #644 Varek Raith

Ah, that was fun.

Did you put the toilet seat down?

// // //

648 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:49:35am

Ammo factory blast in Yemen kills at least 121

(CNN) -- At least 121 people were killed and 45 injured in an explosion at an ammunition factory in southern Yemen on Monday, medical sources said.

The death toll was expected to rise, said the sources, who asked that they not be identified because they are not authorized to speak to the news media. Two of them work at Republican Hospital in Abyan.

Most of the dead and injured were locals who had been ransacking the factory after it was taken over Sunday by militants, security officials said.

The explosion took place in Abyan Province, they said.

Fighting at a munitions factory and your first instinct is to loot it???
Priorities, people!

649 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:52:43am

re: #648 Varek Raith

Ammo factory blast in Yemen kills at least 121

Fighting at a munitions factory and your first instinct is to loot it???
Priorities, people!

Hmmm. That sounds safe. Never ceases to amaze me how some people in this world step into danger with no thought about their, future. Boom!

650 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:54:04am

re: #649 Gus 802

Hmmm. That sounds safe. Never ceases to amaze me how some people in this world step into danger with no thought about their, future. Boom!

Seriously.
It's like the rare time there's a tornado warning here. I'm downstairs in a closet just in case.
My neighbors? Outside looking for the damn thing.

651 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:55:05am

re: #648 Varek Raith

Did they not learn anything from Ripley? When you are fighting beneath a reactor, you can't just go about firing 10mm caseless explosive projectiles. Adios muchachos! No, what you need to do is use harsh language.

/and it goes without saying that you should nuke it from orbit, just to be sure.

652 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:55:13am

re: #648 Varek Raith

Ammo factory blast in Yemen kills at least 121

Fighting at a munitions factory and your first instinct is to loot it???
Priorities, people!

Ammo is Life.

(You mentioned forklift accidents the other day--here is a $180,000 error in a liquor warehouse:)

Youtube Video
653 Kragar  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:55:13am

re: #650 Varek Raith

Seriously.
It's like the rare time there's a tornado warning here. I'm downstairs in a closet just in case.
My neighbors? Outside looking for the damn thing.

For some people, their part in God's Plan is to serve as a worst case example.

654 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:56:51am

re: #652 Decatur Deb

Ammo is Life.

(You mentioned forklift accidents the other day--here is a $180,000 error in a liquor warehouse:)

[Video]

Oh man!
That's coming out of your paycheck!

655 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:57:04am

re: #653 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

For some people, their part in God's Plan is to serve as a worst case example.

That's somewhat related to my line of thinking. Hey, if I get blown up now I'm still going to live for a trillion years after I die anyway!

656 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:58:00am

re: #654 Varek Raith

Oh man!
That's coming out of your paycheck!

The Russian owners tried that--OSHA-ski shot them down on training and discipline.

657 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:58:22am

re: #652 Decatur Deb

Ammo is Life.

(You mentioned forklift accidents the other day--here is a $180,000 error in a liquor warehouse:)

[Video]

This is going to hurt.

658 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:58:50am

re: #655 Gus 802

That's somewhat related to my line of thinking. Hey, if I get blown up now I'm still going to live for a trillion years after I die anyway!

Yeah, but damn.
They'll have to explain the hilarious way they got there for eternity!
He'd never hear the end of it.
Literally!

659 Kragar  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 9:59:44am

And now...The Forklift song

Youtube Video
660 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:00:33am

re: #659 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And now...The Forklift song

[Video]

Das Forklift

A film by Uwe Bowl

//

661 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:01:41am

re: #584 prononymous

Personally I find the whole idea, that you need to be an academic or a theologian to read the bible with a critical eye, ridiculous. Critical thinking is something that should be applied by everybody to nearly everything they interact with.

I'm an atheist, but I have read the bible, among other religious texts, quite a lot. Yet there are people of faith that have never even cracked their own religion's holy book. What a sad, sad state of affairs IMO.

You don't need to be a scholar to read the Bible critically, but too many people read it UNcritically, with no background, and an eye to finding only what they want to see.

662 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:02:19am

re: #660 Gus 802

Das Forklift

A film by Uwe Bowl

//

Just found the new name for my pipe. lol.

663 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:03:01am

re: #590 wozzablog

Thankfully it didn't work for Carly Fiorina.

Well, that and the Demon Sheep ad.

664 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:03:21am

re: #662 prononymous

Just found the new name for my pipe. lol.

Uwe! Sounds like whale noises.

Uweeeeeee! Ewww. Eee! Uwe!

//

665 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:03:28am

Prepare for the end of the world...with your iPhone!

iPhone App Apocalypse 2012: The Survival Guide Launched

666 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:03:58am

re: #615 Alouette

I thought "Amazing Grace" was really pretty good for a Christian-themed movie.

I personally like "Leap of Faith", although it's very subtly Christian-themed.

667 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:06:19am

Dear 2012 Believers.
Please sign this contract to transfer all of your possessions to me effective 12-22-2012.
Thanks.

668 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:06:24am

re: #666 SanFranciscoZionist

I personally like "Leap of Faith", although it's very subtly Christian-themed.

Mine has to be The Bishop's Wife.

669 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:06:25am

re: #664 Gus 802

Uwe! Sounds like whale noises.

Uweee! Ewww. Eee! Uwe!

//

You are right. Das Forklift it is.

670 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:07:01am

re: #666 SanFranciscoZionist

I personally like "Leap of Faith", although it's very subtly Christian-themed.

So is 'Midnight Cowboy'. (Strange you should say that in comment 666.)

671 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:07:40am

re: #670 Decatur Deb

So is 'Midnight Cowboy'. (Strange you should say that in comment 666.)

Uh oh!

/

672 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:07:44am

re: #664 Gus 802

Uwe! Sounds like whale noises.

Uweee! Ewww. Eee! Uwe!

//

Youtube Video
673 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:08:02am

re: #670 Decatur Deb

So is 'Midnight Cowboy'. (Strange you should say that in comment 666.)

Wait, what!

674 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:08:44am

re: #672 Varek Raith

[Video]

Help!

675 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:09:45am

“Barack Obama represents the ideology of the white man, he represents the CIA sabotage set-up sabotage lie on an African leader and bomb that man like he’s George Bush. His wife should leave the n***a tonight and his beautiful daughters should walk out on bamboozling, buck-dancing tom. You should have listened to Lois Farrakhan a long time ago when you were at his table.”
~ New Black Panthers

Youtube Video
676 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:10:05am

re: #668 Gus 802

Mine has to be The Bishop's Wife.

And Lilies of the Field.

677 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:10:10am

re: #673 Alouette

Wait, what!

Yeah, just go with it.
/

678 Slap  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:10:25am

re: #605 garhighway

When you are selling yourself as the "can do, practical guy who has run successful businesses" (my paraphrase), then examining the truth of that narrative is fair.

Trump's business history is one of boom and bust: borrow a shitload of money and see if you can use it to make a pile. If he does, everyone wins, and if doesn't, he folds up shop, files BK and stiffs the lenders. And that's all well and good: the rules permit that. But does any of that sound like it qualifies him to be President? It isn't like that model is adaptable to the US Government, unless we expect to embark upon a workout where we try to stiff the holders of US Government debt. (Who are largely you, me and millions of other people with pension funds, 401k funds, and money market mutual funds.)

For some further insight into the Trump Method, including all its variations of chicanery and obfuscation (not to mention the expected hyper-self-serving greed factor), the story of his role in the demise of the USFL is worth a close look. ESPN featured a documentary called "Who Killed the USFL?" as part of their SUPERB documentary series, 30 for 30 (as an aside, I've seen a dozen of the films so far, and I have been incredibly impressed by the content and execution of every one -- I highly recommend the series), and it's a surprising story of a league that actually had a chance of surviving, but for the actions of one arrogant individual.

ESPN's page, including video excerpts, is worth a look:

30 for 30 -- Who Killed the USFL?

It's a fascinating tale.

679 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:11:39am

re: #675 NJDhockeyfan

“Barack Obama represents the ideology of the white man, he represents the CIA sabotage set-up sabotage lie on an African leader and bomb that man like he’s George Bush. His wife should leave the n***a tonight and his beautiful daughters should walk out on bamboozling, buck-dancing tom. You should have listened to Lois Farrakhan a long time ago when you were at his table.”
~ New Black Panthers

[Video]

The enemy of your enemy is your friend--gonna vote for him?

680 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:12:00am

666 666 666 666 666 666

681 Kragar  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:12:45am

re: #680 Gus 802

666 666 666 666 666 666

I lived alone
My mind was blank
I needed time to think, to pull the memories from my mind

682 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:12:51am

re: #667 Varek Raith

Dear 2012 Believers.
Please sign this contract to transfer all of your possessions to me effective 12-22-2012.
Thanks.

Heh... Get a jump on your competition for those who think the world will be coming to an end - all your base are belong to me 12/20/2010

683 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:13:36am

re: #675 NJDhockeyfan

“Barack Obama represents the ideology of the white man, he represents the CIA sabotage set-up sabotage lie on an African leader and bomb that man like he’s George Bush. His wife should leave the n***a tonight and his beautiful daughters should walk out on bamboozling, buck-dancing tom. You should have listened to Lois Farrakhan a long time ago when you were at his table.”
~ New Black Panthers

[Video]

I want the old Black Panthers back with the cool black leather jackets, berets, and shotguns.

/

684 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:17:50am

re: #675 NJDhockeyfan

You love digging this stuff up dontcha?

685 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:18:32am

re: #684 Stanley Sea

You love digging this stuff up dontcha?

TO ACORNITY AND BEYOND!

686 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:18:35am

tweet tweet

687 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:19:13am

re: #670 Decatur Deb

So is 'Midnight Cowboy'. (Strange you should say that in comment 666.)

I'm postin' here!

688 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:19:29am

re: #686 Stanley Sea

tweet tweet

TUweet!

//

689 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:19:47am

re: #675 NJDhockeyfan

“Barack Obama represents the ideology of the white man, he represents the CIA sabotage set-up sabotage lie on an African leader and bomb that man like he’s George Bush. His wife should leave the n***a tonight and his beautiful daughters should walk out on bamboozling, buck-dancing tom. You should have listened to Lois Farrakhan a long time ago when you were at his table.”
~ New Black Panthers

[Video]

Why do I have a sudden wild notion that Farrakhan could be invited to CPAC next year? And that, with that, the seventh seal would open?

690 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:19:54am

re: #683 Gus 802

I want the old Black Panthers back with the cool black leather jackets, berets, and shotguns.

/

Image: HueyNewton_2048828226.jpg

691 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:19:57am

Dogwhistling to the wrong crowd

692 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:20:23am

re: #690 Decatur Deb

Image: HueyNewton_2048828226.jpg

Stop reading my mind!

//

693 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:22:22am

re: #689 SanFranciscoZionist

Why do I have a sudden wild notion that Farrakhan could be invited to CPAC next year? And that, with that, the seventh seal would open?

I'll give Andrew Napolitano a call to float the idea.

//

694 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:22:26am

re: #691 Stanley Sea

Dogwhistling to the wrong crowd

Image: dog-whistle.png

subtext on the packaging?

695 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:23:13am

re: #689 SanFranciscoZionist

Why do I have a sudden wild notion that Farrakhan could be invited to CPAC next year? And that, with that, the seventh seal would open?

Possible. I think that will happen in conjunction with the return of the Mahdi.

;)

696 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:23:47am

Oh brother.

697 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:24:51am

re: #695 NJDhockeyfan

Possible. I think that will happen in conjunction with the return of the Mahdi.

;)

I would give large sums of money to see the Mahdi and Jesus Christ stroll in hand in hand and say "WTF are you doing? That's not what I said!" to all the followers of both faiths.

698 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:25:35am

re: #695 NJDhockeyfan

Possible. I think that will happen in conjunction with the return of the Mahdi.

;)

At this point, anything's possible.

On a more serious note, I believe that Farrakhan has always defended Gaddafi. They have some ideology in common, plus, defending Gaddafi pisses off the American mainstream. So it goes. Not surprising that this operation would get him riled up.

699 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:26:39am

re: #696 Gus 802

Oh brother.

I don't get it. Why would Ayers write a memoir for someone else?

700 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:26:41am

Monday morning!

And we're off...

@EricBoehlert Eric Boehlert
Today's RW shiny, ODS object (don't say I didn't warn you); [Link: bit.ly...] #tcot

The Bill Ayers wrote "Dreams of my Father" conspiracy has just been rehashed.

701 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:26:42am

re: #697 PT Barnum

I would give large sums of money to see the Mahdi and Jesus Christ stroll in hand in hand and say "WTF are you doing? That's not what I said!" to all the followers of both faiths.

Bwahahaha!

702 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:27:10am

re: #699 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't get it. Why would Ayers write a memoir for someone else?

$$$

703 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:27:17am

re: #699 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't get it. Why would Ayers write a memoir for someone else?

Got me. I think Ayers is just playing with peoples heads.

704 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:28:11am

re: #700 Gus 802

Monday morning!

And we're off...

@EricBoehlert Eric Boehlert
Today's RW shiny, ODS object (don't say I didn't warn you); [Link: bit.ly...] #tcot

The Bill Ayers wrote "Dreams of my Father" conspiracy has just been rehashed.

ha! Today in Wingnut Fail--Jack Cashill: Still Doesn't Understand Snark

705 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:28:16am

re: #703 Gus 802

Got me. I think Ayers is just playing with peoples heads.

That's fine. As long as he stays away from bombings I really could care less what he says.

706 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:28:23am

re: #700 Gus 802

Monday morning!

And we're off...

@EricBoehlert Eric Boehlert
Today's RW shiny, ODS object (don't say I didn't warn you); [Link: bit.ly...] #tcot

The Bill Ayers wrote "Dreams of my Father" conspiracy has just been rehashed.

Horace Silver: 'Song for My Father'

[Link: www.google.com...]

707 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:28:49am

re: #703 Gus 802

Got me. I think Ayers is just playing with peoples heads.

shooting fish in a barrel. good grief.

All I know is it shows the weakness of their opposition if they continue to go after such bullshit memes.

708 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:29:42am

re: #703 Gus 802

Got me. I think Ayers is just playing with peoples heads.

He is. Not only that, but loads in the nutosphere are going along. There was already a video of him in an airport snidely saying he wrote it. That also was 'proof' for the wingnut brigade.

709 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:29:49am

re: #704 iceweasel

ha! Today in Wingnut Fail--Jack Cashill: Still Doesn't Understand Snark

Cashill is a dork.

710 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:30:10am

re: #702 NJDhockeyfan

$$$

Hmmm. And Obama let him, why?

711 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:31:27am

re: #710 SanFranciscoZionist

Hmmm. And Obama let him, why?

Because Obama is an empty suit and all that! //

gah, it's too early, and two fucking years later to be dealing with this sheeeet.

712 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:31:54am

re: #709 Gus 802

Cashill is a dork.

Cashill is fantasising that this will be punished by the white house in some way.

713 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:32:15am

re: #708 iceweasel

He is. Not only that, but loads in the nutosphere are going along. There was already a video of him in an airport snidely saying he wrote it. That also was 'proof' for the wingnut brigade.

We used to have an old saying about "goofing on peoples heads" after toking on the weed back in the day. Looks like some people forgot about that. The wingnuts are going to have a field day with this one. Duh-e!

714 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:32:23am

re: #710 SanFranciscoZionist

Hmmm. And Obama let him, why?

That's what friends are for!

715 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:34:45am

re: #713 Gus 802

We used to have an old saying about "goofing on peoples heads" after toking on the weed back in the day. Looks like some people forgot about that. The wingnuts are going to have a field day with this one. Duh-e!

Jim hoft is all over it too, apparently.

Barack Obama knows what I know and what the people who have read my book, "Deconstructing Obama," know: Bill Ayers is the principal craftsman behind Dreams. The evidence is overwhelming.

Ayers also established, as I have contended from the beginning, that he is not the author of Audacity of Hope. Although Obama claims unique authorship of this book too, it was, as Ayers suggests, a disingenuous feint to the center written by committee.

That's from the cashill piece.

716 Stanghazi  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:36:50am

GAH

717 lostlakehiker  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:37:29am

re: #492 garhighway

Good morning from cold and sunny NYC.

Here's this morning's Krugman:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

it's about Professor Cronon at the University of Wisconsin. Sample:

So what was the G.O.P.’s response? A demand for copies of all e-mails sent to or from Mr. Cronon’s university mail account containing any of a wide range of terms, including the word “Republican” and the names of a number of Republican politicians.

If this action strikes you as no big deal, you’re missing the point. The hard right — which these days is more or less synonymous with the Republican Party — has a modus operandi when it comes to scholars expressing views it dislikes: never mind the substance, go for the smear. And that demand for copies of e-mails is obviously motivated by no more than a hope that it will provide something, anything, that can be used to subject Mr. Cronon to the usual treatment.

The Cronon affair, then, is one more indicator of just how reflexively vindictive, how un-American, one of our two great political parties has become.

The demand for Mr. Cronon’s correspondence has obvious parallels with the ongoing smear campaign against climate science and climate scientists, which has lately relied heavily on supposedly damaging quotations found in e-mail records.

As foreign enemies loom not so large, domestic politics gets nastier. But this is somewhat different from climate science. State University faculty aren't supposed to use their position as a platform for lobbying their own state legislature. In fact, this is generally illegal.

Of course, casual use of email isn't "using your position as a platform".

By contrast, when it comes to climate science, there is no shadow of an excuse. It is not illegal to use state resources as a climate scientist to discover and disseminate information about climate change. Even if the news is bad, and even if you're disseminating it to an audience that may draw political conclusions.

It isn't even illegal to make mistakes about climate science, though as the investigations draw to a close, it seems that any mistakes committed have been tiny flaws in basically accurate work.

718 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:37:44am

re: #715 iceweasel

Jim hoft is all over it too, apparently.

That's from the cashill piece.

This is the bookends to the birther conspiracy. Sheesh, wingnuts. How do they fucking work?

719 lostlakehiker  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:39:27am

re: #390 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They're, there, and their are the bane of my existence.

I propose replacing all 3 with theyre, whose definition is based off of context.

Theirs no weigh eye'm going they'e.

720 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:39:49am

re: #715 iceweasel

Jim hoft is all over it too, apparently.

That's from the cashill piece.

I seemed to have missed this...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Head in the clouds here. ;) Up dinged and Tweeted.

721 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:41:25am

re: #720 Gus 802

I seemed to have missed this...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Head in the clouds here. ;) Up dinged and Tweeted.

Cheers! ;)
Jimmah says hi, btw. He's making tea.

722 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:41:52am

re: #721 iceweasel

Cheers! ;)
Jimmah says hi, btw. He's making tea.

Hi Jimmah!

723 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:45:52am

I think I should do some actual work today.

Have a nice day!

724 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:46:05am

re: #722 Gus 802

Hi Jimmah!

He just got home from a new job and we're sharing the laptop. He envies you your whisky, we don't have any here.

725 Gus  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 10:46:56am

re: #724 iceweasel

He just got home from a new job and we're sharing the laptop. He envies you your whisky, we don't have any here.

I ran out last night this morning. ;)

726 davesax  Mon, Mar 28, 2011 5:46:32pm

I just want to say, that as a Jew, I'm glad the Jerusalem Countdown was made, complete with CGI and the bionic man. Its storyline promises to provide comedy writers, most of whom are Jewish, rich material for at least six months.

I am also, as a Jew, thankful for Miral, a movie about a female Palestinian terrorist that looks like Frida Pinto and discovers the benefits of Dead Sea mud when getting a facial, only to be angered when her PLO boyfriend dies choking on said mud after he licks it off her face.

Never, as a Jew, have I felt more flattered by storytellers on the left and right. Now, all I need is a sequel to Schindler's list, and I'll be in a state of permanent euphoria.


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