Huckabee: 'All Americans Should Be Forced at Gunpoint to Listen to David Barton'

Huckabee: ‘All Americans Should Be Forced at Gunpoint to Listen to David Barton’

Religious right group tries to cover up Huckabee’s craziness

WingnutsMarch 2011 • Views: 39,725

Here’s an astonishing statement by GOP presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee, who told the “Rediscover God in America” conference last weekend that “All Americans Should Be Forced at Gunpoint to Listen to David Barton.”

David Barton is the religious right pseudo-historian who specializes in trying to prove that the founding fathers intended to create a Christian theocracy, and who gave speeches to neo-Nazi groups in the 1990s.

And the story gets even sleazier, because when the conference webcast of Huckabee’s speech was posted, they had edited out his statement about Barton. Here’s the edited version, sans “forced at gunpoint.”

But the Internet cannot forget.

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209 comments

Kragar Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:17:55pm

The GOP really needs to read that Constitution thing they keep talking about so much.

Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:18:11pm

Their lack of understanding about the internet is just an indicator of a wider problem. That they really don't want to understand anything.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:18:51pm

I dunno, I kind of agree with Huck. If everyone in America had to listen to that pernicious little slug's superstitious garbage maybe we could be done with these reactionary extremists once and for all.
/

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:19:51pm

Onward Christian Soldiers
Marching off to war....

(Gosh, how I despise that song).

Obdicut Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:22:37pm

Huckabee does an awesome job of combining two terrible things here:

Saying people out to be forced to do anything at gunpoint.

Promoting an insane, racist, theocratic kook.

Way to go!

blueraven Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:27:47pm

People who believe that Huckabee is some kind of moderate need to get wise to him. He is the real wolf in [demon] sheep clothing.

William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:28:54pm

As I've commented before, I'm a big believer in the 2nd amendment as it helps us to keep church and state separate; as it has since 1791.

b_sharp Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:29:44pm

re: #2 prononymous

Their lack of understanding about the internet is just an indicator of a wider problem. That they really don't want to understand anything.

Like, yer stating the obvious dude.

They should be reminded at every turn about their anti-intellectual, anti-science, anti-rational stance.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:32:33pm

re: #4 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Onward Christian Soldiers
Marching off to war...

(Gosh, how I despise that song).

I think it's actually "marching AS to war".

Mickey_being_mickey Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:33:56pm

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Remember when they tried to read it at the start of this new Congress and you know kind of forgot to read certain parts of it aloud?

The more I see and hear from the Tea Party and the fools that gravitate toward it, the more I think that they find the Constitution unconstitutional.

Lidane Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:34:19pm

re: #8 b_sharp

They should be reminded at every turn about their anti-intellectual, anti-science, anti-rational stance.

They don't care. All that book learnin' for pointy-headed intellectuals and liberals, don'tcha know. All they need to know comes from the gut, and from their Bible.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:34:24pm

re: #10 Mickey_being_mickey

Remember when they tried to read it at the start of this new Congress and you know kind of forgot to read certain parts of it aloud?

The more I see and hear from the Tea Party and the fools that gravitate toward it, the more I think that they find the Constitution unconstitutional.

They forgot to read parts? What parts did they forget to read? I never saw that bit.

jaunte Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:35:21pm

re: #6 blueraven

It's instructive to see him reveal himself, dropping the pretense of persuasion, and coming out clearly in favor of threatening deadly force against people who don't want to listen.

Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:35:32pm

Before John XXIII, the RCs were quite happy to preach "Outside the Church there is no salvation". At the same time, the Prods were calling the RC church the "Whore of Babylon". It's time to fire up the old hostilities again.

Simply Sarah Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:35:55pm

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

They forgot to read parts? What parts did they forget to read? I never saw that bit.

I believe what's being referred to is that they didn't read parts that had been amended out, which bothered some people as it was seen as ignoring things such as slavery in the original Constitution.

Lidane Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:36:00pm

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

They forgot to read parts? What parts did they forget to read? I never saw that bit.

They didn't forget to read parts-- they deliberately skipped the passages on slavery:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:36:56pm

re: #5 Obdicut

Huckabee does an awesome job of combining two terrible things here:

Saying people out to be forced to do anything at gunpoint.

Promoting an insane, racist, theocratic kook.

Way to go!

And then subsequently, censorship.

re: #8 b_sharp

Sorry, I'm not feeling very deep today. :(

Mickey_being_mickey Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:38:20pm

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

They claim they left out parts to speed up the reading. And it let them avoid reading parts like Article 1, Section 2.

kreyagg Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:38:31pm

Monotheists can't hide their inner fascist for very long.

Mickey_being_mickey Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:39:05pm

re: #16 Lidane

Yeah, what you said. ;)

b_sharp Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:39:18pm

re: #9 SanFranciscoZionist

I think it's actually "marching AS to war".

Always the teacher.

teleskiguy Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:39:24pm

That does it! I don't care if he plays bass. This guy sucks.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:40:15pm

re: #19 kreyagg

Monotheists can't hide their inner fascist for very long.

I'm a monotheist. I am morally opposed to making people listen to even good historians at gunpoint.

I'm opposed to making people listen to historians at gunpoint BECAUSE I'm a monotheist.

b_sharp Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:40:21pm

re: #11 Lidane

They don't care. All that book learnin' for pointy-headed intellectuals and liberals, don'tcha know. All they need to know comes from the gut, and from their Bible.

Them gut feelings (common sense) are magic and always right and righteous.

Kragar Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:40:28pm

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

They forgot to read parts? What parts did they forget to read? I never saw that bit.

They skipped over the 3/5 of a person part.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:42:16pm

re: #24 b_sharp

Them gut feelings (common sense) are magic and always right and righteous.

Beware of a God who always seems to agree with you.

Metatron acts as the voice of God. Any documented occasion when some yahoo claims that God has spoken to them, they're speaking to me. Or they're talking to themselves.

b_sharp Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:42:17pm

re: #17 prononymous

And then subsequently, censorship.

re: #8 b_sharp

Sorry, I'm not feeling very deep today. :(

I was just teasing you bro.

Your point was well made.

Feeling crappy?

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:42:41pm

re: #10 Mickey_being_mickey

Iz in ur capitul, lectrocuting ur constitooshun 'til it sez wot I wants it too.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:43:31pm

re: #28 Slumbering Behemoth

Iz in ur capitul, lectrocuting ur constitooshun 'til it sez wot I wants it too.

That is an ASTONISHING picture.

Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:43:47pm

re: #27 b_sharp

Feeling crappy?

Only if the shallow end of the pool is where all the turds are floating.

Simply Sarah Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:43:54pm

re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They skipped over the 3/5 of a person part.

Of course, everyone would get that part backwards if they did read it, like people always do. Everyone seems to think it was treating slaves as 3/5s of a person in a directly degrading sense, not realizing that the southern states wanted them counted as full people...that wouldn't be able to vote, wouldn't be citizens (Or, really, people), and would just serve to increase the political power of large slave holding states.

b_sharp Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:45:08pm

re: #23 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm a monotheist. I am morally opposed to making people listen to even good historians at gunpoint.

I'm opposed to making people listen to historians at gunpoint BECAUSE I'm a monotheist.

We atheists are a snarly, sometimes obnoxious bunch aren't we?

I'm opposed to making people do anything at gunpoint because it's a fucking horrible idea with crappy outcomes.

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Mickey_being_mickey Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:45:48pm

re: #28 Slumbering Behemoth

As long as it's not a mooslim constitooshun written by the juice Soros.

Snarky McSnark

Great pic though.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:46:21pm

re: #29 SanFranciscoZionist

That is an ASTONISHING picture.

Yep. Good ole Dr. Paul, trying to revive the Constitution.

/Wot? Living Documents!?! Oh Noes!!!!

lostlakehiker Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:46:49pm

It's not so simple to force Americans to do this or that at gunpoint. Mr. Huckabee seems to forget that the whole idea of the original Tea Party was to resist exactly that.

That the RW, generally, is hostile to government forcing people to do this or that.

That when you go to force people at gunpoint, some are going to figure out that in the final analysis, you can't really make anybody do anything except die. "Forcing at gunpoint" is an agenda that includes killing at gunpoint.

b_sharp Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:47:02pm

re: #28 Slumbering Behemoth

Iz in ur capitul, lectrocuting ur constitooshun 'til it sez wot I wants it too.

That's not LOLcat speech, that's LOLcrap speech.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:47:16pm

re: #35 Slumbering Behemoth

Yep. Good ole Dr. Paul, trying to revive the Constitution.

/Wot? Living Documents!?! Oh Noes!!!

How much experience does he have with those paddles, anyway? Isn't he an obstetrician by training?

b_sharp Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:48:50pm

re: #30 prononymous

Only if the shallow end of the pool is where all the turds are floating.

Faster than a speeding bullet. Whoosh.
I had to duck.

You've lost none of your polish I see. ;P

Kragar Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:50:05pm

Holy shit, GOP, WTF

Indiana GOP Rep Says Women Will Pretend To Be Raped To Get Free Abortions

state Rep. Gail Riecken (D) introduced an amendment to exempt “women who became pregnant due to rape or incest, or women for whom pregnancy threatens their life or could cause serious and irreversible physical harm” from being forced to carry to term. Fearing this bill would “push women to the back alleys” for illegal abortions, Riecken pleaded with lawmakers to allow women to make the choice in these cases.

Turner then stepped to the podium and insisted that Riecken’s amendment would create a “giant loophole” for women. That loophole? Women “could simply say they’ve been raped”:

TURNER: With all do respect to Rep. Riecken, I understand what she’s trying to do. But as you know that when the federal health care bill was going through Congress there was a lot of discussion whether this would allow for abortion coverage and of course we were all told it would not. And the bill, my house bill 1210, would prevent that for any insurance company to provide abortion coverage under federal health care bill. This [amendment] would open that window and I would ask you to oppose this amendment.

I just want you to think about this, in my view, giant loophole that could be created where someone who could — now i want to be careful, I don’t want to disparage in any way someone who has gone through the experience of a rape or incest — but someone who is desirous of an abortion could simply say that they’ve been raped or there’s incest.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:51:24pm

re: #37 b_sharp

Thou Shalt Not besmirch The Great Behemoth's LOLCat typing skills. Repent, heathen!
/

CuriousLurker Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:51:49pm

re: #23 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm a monotheist. I am morally opposed to making people listen to even good historians at gunpoint.

I'm opposed to making people listen to historians at gunpoint BECAUSE I'm a monotheist.

re: #32 b_sharp

We atheists are a snarly, sometimes obnoxious bunch aren't we?

I'm opposed to making people do anything at gunpoint because it's a fucking horrible idea with crappy outcomes.

Personally, I couldn't care less WHY someone is opposed to making people do things at gunpoint, all that matters to me is that they ARE in fact against it.

jaunte Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:54:11pm

re: #33 MikeySDCA

David Barton Wikipedia

Barton is a collector of early American documents, and his official biography describes him as "an expert in historical and constitutional issues." Barton holds no formal credentials in history or law, and critics dispute the accuracy and integrity of his assertions about history, accusing him of practicing misleading historical revisionism and "pseudoscholarship."
.......
Barton graduated in 1972 from Aledo High School in Aledo, Texas.
He received a Bachelor of Arts degree in religious education from Oral Roberts University in 1976

A Huckabexpert.

b_sharp Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:54:58pm

re: #42 CuriousLurker

re: #32 b_sharp

Personally, I couldn't care less WHY someone is opposed to making people do things at gunpoint, all that matters to me is that they ARE in fact against it.

I like being against it, as long as she doesn't move too fast.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:56:29pm

"all Americans would be forced -- forced at gunpoint no less -- to listen to every David Barton message."

Count down to "Don't you stupid lefties understand satire" lamentations.

b_sharp Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:57:06pm

My laptop is about to die any second.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:57:36pm

GOD THESE PEOPLE SUCK

zora Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:57:48pm

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

or the bible they keep talking about so much.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:57:57pm

re: #43 jaunte

A Huckabexpert.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha well done :D

albusteve Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:58:20pm

force me at gunpoint, and you might as well kill me, because someday the shoe will be on the other foot, that's a promise

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 31, 2011 2:59:06pm

re: #32 b_sharp

We atheists are a snarly, sometimes obnoxious bunch aren't we?

I'm opposed to making people do anything at gunpoint because it's a fucking horrible idea with crappy outcomes.

except "give me all the money in the register", that often turns out great if you escape fast enough :D

Targetpractice Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:00:50pm

No wonder there's practically nobody in the GOP campaign stables right now. If these crazy frakers tried this on the campaign trail, they'd be DOA before they ever got within spitting distance of Iowa.

CuriousLurker Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:01:16pm

re: #45 Slumbering Behemoth

Count down to "Don't you stupid lefties understand satire" lamentations.

Heh, now you've got me imagining what the reaction would be if a Dem had used the same type of satire.

tigger2005 Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:01:18pm

Of course Huck will laugh and say "I was just joking people! Exaggerating to make a point!" And on one level he probably was. But it still says volumes about how fanatically convinced he is of the righteousness of his worldview and how utterly wrong and deluded--or even outright evil--he considers those who disagree with him.

And this when his understanding of our history, Constitution, and system of government is so plainly, demonstrably wrong. One has to twist one's mind in pretzels and engage in willful ignorance and denial to believe that the Founders intended America to be a Christian theocracy.

zora Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:01:28pm

re: #9 SanFranciscoZionist

like my sister when we were younger singing "there is a bomb in gilead". if you are not familiar, it's supposed to be "there is a balm in gilead".

tigger2005 Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:02:09pm

Oh, by the way, did y'all notice how lily white that room was?

zora Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:03:13pm

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

iirc, they skipped the slavery bits. 3/5 compromise.

nines09 Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:03:26pm

I keep looking for that "jump the shark" moment when the actual words that fall from the mouths of such as Huckabibble have weight to them. As in "This fool is no longer relevant."
Huckster needs to keep talking and the big media needs to pick up on it. Talk about duplicity. Save me from THEM who are just like ME but not ME but THEM.
Well spoken, dolt.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:04:47pm

re: #42 CuriousLurker

re: #32 b_sharp

Personally, I couldn't care less WHY someone is opposed to making people do things at gunpoint, all that matters to me is that they ARE in fact against it.

I think this is definitely one of those, 'it doesn't matter how you arrived at the conclusion, the point is, you arrived' situations.

Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:05:08pm

Look at that audience. Heh.

I think these people are contemplating force because it is dawning on them that people aren't going to choose this for themselves. Their ideology is in decline. Being already fearful people, this is their greatest fear. It is being realized right in front of their eyes and there is nothing they can do about it.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:05:27pm

re: #45 Slumbering Behemoth

Count down to "Don't you stupid lefties understand satire" lamentations.

To which I merely ask what these folks would have to say if the shoe were on the other foot.

CuriousLurker Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:06:13pm

re: #52 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

No wonder there's practically nobody in the GOP campaign stables right now. If these crazy frakers tried this on the campaign trail, they'd be DOA before they ever got within spitting distance of Iowa.

I said this a couple of weeks ago and I'll say it again: They're sending out the unelectable second string players first to gauge how much bad crazy people will tolerate. After a few months, say by summer, they'll have a better handle on it and they'll send in the first string (such as it is).

b_sharp Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:10:09pm

Im baack.
The magical powers of an Android phone

Kragar Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:10:28pm

re: #62 CuriousLurker

I said this a couple of weeks ago and I'll say it again: They're sending out the unelectable second string players first to gauge how much bad crazy people will tolerate. After a few months, say by summer, they'll have a better handle on it and they'll send in the first string (such as it is).

"Look, those guys are nuts, but look at how reasonable I am by comparison."

Kragar Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:11:09pm

re: #61 SanFranciscoZionist

To which I merely ask what these folks would have to say if the shoe were on the other foot.

"We don't do metaphor."

Sionainn Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:11:15pm

re: #62 CuriousLurker

I said this a couple of weeks ago and I'll say it again: They're sending out the unelectable second string players first to gauge how much bad crazy people will tolerate. After a few months, say by summer, they'll have a better handle on it and they'll send in the first string (such as it is).

That certainly makes sense.

zora Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:11:42pm

from the primaries (2008):

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

During a speech before the National Rifle Association convention Friday afternoon in Louisville, Kentucky, former Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee - who has endorsed presumptive GOP nominee John McCain - joked that an unexpected offstage noise was Democrat Barack Obama looking to avoid a gunman.

“That was Barack Obama, he just tripped off a chair, he's getting ready to speak,” said the former Arkansas governor, to audience laughter. “Somebody aimed a gun at him and he dove for the floor.”

the huckster is just full of jokes.

Shiplord Kirel Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:12:21pm

re: #61 SanFranciscoZionist

To which I merely ask what these folks would have to say if the shoe were on the other foot.

They do that all the time, yammering about the gay communist Muslim teacher's unions teaching their godless doctrines to a captive audience of 1st graders.

wrenchwench Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:13:45pm

re: #33 MikeySDCA

David Barton Wikipedia

From your link:

Rob Boston of Americans United for Separation of Church and State has been critical, stating
The Religious Right's leading practitioner of this type of historical revisionism is David Barton ... Barton makes a lucrative living traveling the right wing's lecture circuit where he offers up a cut-and-paste version of U.S. history liberally sprinkled with gross distortions and, in some cases, outright factual errors. Crowds of fundamentalist Christians from coast to coast can't get enough of it.[36]

Rev. Randolph Bracy, president of the Orange County, Florida chapter of the NAACP has referred to Barton as a "Holocaust-denier, an anti-Semite and someone who has called for the death penalty for gay and lesbian people", stating that Barton has "a long history of being related to the worst fringes of our society."[36]

That's what Huckabee wants to force people to listen to at gunpoint. Ramming it into the textbooks of children is no longer sufficient.

CuriousLurker Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:14:05pm

re: #64 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Look, those guys are nuts, but look at how reasonable I am by comparison."

Eggzaktly.

Shiplord Kirel Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:17:16pm

re: #68 Shiplord Kirel

They do that all the time, yammering about the gay communist Muslim teacher's unions teaching their godless doctrines to a captive audience of 1st graders.

Except for Allah and Cthulhu of course.

CuriousLurker Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:18:10pm

re: #66 Sionainn

That certainly makes sense.

I guess the only silver lining in that is that it means there are still some sane Republicans out there. I don't trust the crafty religious right that's pulling the party strings though, not for a minute.

Summer Seale Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:19:13pm

Well, Mr. Huckabee, after your forced "Minute of Rapture" with David Barton, are you going to force us proles to have a "Minute of Hate" as well?

jaunte Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:19:39pm

re: #45 Slumbering Behemoth

Count down to "Don't you stupid lefties understand satire" lamentations.

It's 'figurative.'

Wednesday, Barton’s penchant for absolutes was on display. He told his audience that of the 192 members of the United Nation’s, America stood alone as a beacon of stability.

“We’re a very blessed nation,” he said. “We happen to be the only nation that does not average a revolution every 30 to 40 years. Of 192 nations, we’re the only one with that type of stability.”

Asked later about the accuracy of that – after all, Canada and England had pretty stable 20th Centuries – Barton said he was speaking “figuratively.”[Link: blogs.orlandosentinel.com...]

wrenchwench Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:20:24pm

re: #73 Summer

Well, Mr. Huckabee, after your forced "Minute of Rapture" with David Barton, are you going to force us proles to have a "Minute of Hate" as well?

They're servin' squirrel after---you comin'?

JEA62 Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:21:10pm

Interesting. I notice at all of these things - without exception - that the audiences are always 100% white.

Kragar Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:21:22pm

re: #71 Shiplord Kirel

Except for Allah and Cthulhu of course.

First comes the secular atheism, then comes the servants of the Great Old Ones.

Shiplord Kirel Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:21:27pm

re: #75 wrenchwench

They're servin' squirrel after---you comin'?

Cthulhu: To fundie as fundie is to squirrel.

Kragar Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:23:20pm

re: #78 Shiplord Kirel

Cthulhu: To fundie as fundie is to squirrel.

Hastur almost won the nomination, but they had a rally where they started chanting his name and that was the end of that.

wrenchwench Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:27:48pm

re: #74 jaunte

It's 'figurative.'

From your link:

Barton, for example, has declared the separation of church and state to be mythical, claiming that Thomas Jefferson, when he coined the phrase, meant for the wall to be “one-directional” – designed to protect the church from government interference but never intended to remove Christianity from government. Most historians dismiss his interpretation as badly off the mark.

A "one-directional" wall? And he's the founder and president "WallBuilders"? I think he's unfamiliar with the concept.

blueraven Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:29:56pm

OT:

Tea Party Rally Fail

Nobody really wants to shut down the gov't except for a few far right nut jobs.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:31:20pm

The Scientific Case Against Craterism

We beg you, dear reader, to indulge your Curmudgeon as we engage in a bit of weekend parody. Having observed the chicanery of creationists, we feel that their style of argument can be applied to virtually anything. Behold, our refutation of the theory of meteor craters — Craterism:

1. Craterism is only a theory. It has never been proved.

2. Meteor craters have not been observed to happen, now or in the past.

3. Meteor craters have never been reproduced in the lab. Craterists can produce micro-craters, but have no laboratory evidence of macro-cratering.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:31:50pm

Is there a way to end that sentence?

All Americans should be forced at gunpoint to...

What?

I suppose as a figurative point, you can use "pay taxes."

Not sure what's after that.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:37:21pm

All Americans should be forced at gunpoint to...

Try some of this apple strudel bread from Costco that I'm eating.

Listen to Alison Krauss.

Get to put on warm jammies right out of the dryer at least once in their lifetime.

Nope. None of these work for me. They would just ruin that thing for that person thereafter.

Simply Sarah Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:39:19pm

re: #83 EmmmieG

Is there a way to end that sentence?

All Americans should be forced at gunpoint to...

What?

I suppose as a figurative point, you can use "pay taxes."

Not sure what's after that.

...buy a gun!
/

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:44:24pm

I've found a treasure trove of conspiracy crazy and animated gifs: [Link: www.saintsagainsttyranny.com...]

flaming letters! goats of mendes!

Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:47:01pm

Tea Partiers Rallying In DC Praise Donald Trump's Birther Stance (VIDEO)

Youtube Video

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:47:23pm

re: #86 WindUpBird

I've found a treasure trove of conspiracy crazy and animated gifs: [Link: www.saintsagainsttyranny.com...]

flaming letters! goats of mendes!

I think my favorite is the mash-up of the EU parliament building and the tower of Babel.

Because, as we all know, that is an ACTUAL RENDERING of the tower, and also, the fact that both buildings have stories is indicative of something. Perhaps that most humans are roughly the same height. Not sure. But it means something. Something deep.

Renaissance_Man Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:48:53pm

I wonder - did the glorious potpourri of fundamentalism, conspiracy theory, and hating government, liberals, and foreigners come into being with Reagan, or did he just popularise it? Because they seem such unlikely bedfellows - at first blush, they seem to share no common tenets except a desire to believe, rather than think. And yet, despite that, here they are, one of the most powerful (if not the most) power blocs in the world's lone superpower.

I had a large multi-page glossy shoved under my wiper today, as did every one of the hundreds of cars in the parking lot, meaning it cost at least a reasonable sum to produce. It was from some Texan fundie preacher with multiple churches and glowing letters from foreign followers, and the title was, literally, 'Evil Roman Catholic agents in the US Government Seek to Kill Americans'. In it I learned about how evil agents of the foreign Catholic NWO had actually been responsible for Waco, 9/11, and Oklahoma City, and how they secretly murdered Americans who opposed them by radiation in the water. Needless to say, Bill Clinton and Obama are willing catspaws. And Muslims are their agents. This is clearly rubbish, but I frankly don't see a difference between that and the underlying tenets of the Tea Party, or a Glenn Beck show, or the sort of stuff that US legislators say all too often on the floor.

This sort of conspiracy theory stuff is not new. I am, however, somewhat disturbed that it determines policy and governance in the world's sole superpower. That seems - unreasonable.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:51:26pm

re: #86 WindUpBird

I've found a treasure trove of conspiracy crazy and animated gifs: [Link: www.saintsagainsttyranny.com...]

flaming letters! goats of mendes!

Glory be. Just noticed what they're pointing out on the EU coin.

Do they really think they're the first ones to notice the rough shape of Sweden/Norway/Finland? Really?

zora Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:53:02pm

re: #86 WindUpBird

"wow" is all i can say.

Kragar Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:53:50pm

re: #90 EmmmieG

Don't even get them started on the Italian boot scandal.

Glory be. Just noticed what they're pointing out on the EU coin.

Do they really think they're the first ones to notice the rough shape of Sweden/Norway/Finland? Really?

Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:57:23pm

Dunno, doesn't bother me, Huckenstein is clearly exaggerating for emphasis.

This bothers me though:

House GOP spokeswoman Katie Betta: "The Speaker has been clear about his expectations for conduct on the House for during debate. At one point during the debate, he mentioned to the entire House that members of both parties needed to be mindful of decorum during debate.

"Additionally, the Speaker believes it is important for all Members to be mindful of and respectful to visitors and guests, particularly the young pages and messengers who are seated in the chamber during debates. In the past, if the debate is going to contain language that would be considered inappropriate for children and other guests, the Speaker will make an announcement in advance, asking children and others who may be uncomfortable with the subject matter to leave the floor and gallery."

[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

The offending word?

Uterus.

Sionainn Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:57:30pm

re: #87 Killgore Trout

Tea Partiers Rallying In DC Praise Donald Trump's Birther Stance (VIDEO)

[Video]

I'd completely forgotten about the rally today. Apparently, so did tea party folks since only a few hundred showed up today.

Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:58:17pm

re: #94 Sionainn

I'd completely forgotten about the rally today. Apparently, so did tea party folks since only a few hundred showed up today.

A two hundred according to Rand Paul. A few dozen is more like it.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:58:30pm

re: #93 Jeff In Ohio

Dunno, doesn't bother me, Huckenstein is clearly exaggerating for emphasis.

This bothers me though:

[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

The offending word?

Uterus.

He is hereby sentenced to teach a middle-school aged biology class.

That'll teach him.

darthstar Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:58:58pm

re: #90 EmmmieG

Glory be. Just noticed what they're pointing out on the EU coin.

Do they really think they're the first ones to notice the rough shape of Sweden/Norway/Finland? Really?

Wow...it's like the dude from the pack of Camel cigarettes retired to Europe!

Image: cock1.jpg

Heh...and the picture's name is really "cock1"...I didn't rename it.

Simply Sarah Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:59:05pm

re: #95 Jeff In Ohio

A two hundred according to Rand Paul. A few dozen is more like it.

If Rand Paul is saying only 200 people showed up to a big Tea Party rally, you know they have serious problems.

Sionainn Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:00:39pm

re: #95 Jeff In Ohio

A two hundred according to Rand Paul. A few dozen is more like it.

I got it from MSNBC's site (the only one I could find it on). A couple of dozen wouldn't surprise me, either.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:02:42pm

re: #97 darthstar

Wow...it's like the dude from the pack of Camel cigarettes retired to Europe!

Image: cock1.jpg

Heh...and the picture's name is really "cock1"...I didn't rename it.

Yeah, because naming it "Scandinavian Peninsula 1" would be too mature.

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calochortus Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:03:40pm

re: #86 WindUpBird

Oh good grief. Catholics, Bilderbergers, Women, Jeeeewwwws!
I'm scared. /

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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:06:59pm

re: #86 WindUpBird

lol

What is this Antichrist beast thing anyway?.

Well, Johnny, I'm glad you asked. You give women the right to control their bodies, hand out rubbers to teens and clean needles to harlots and junkies - this is just grease on the slippery slope to saying uterus on the floor of some state assembly. That is the Anti-Christ in action. Beelzebub leaving his mark. Satan choosing his flock. Get with the righteous, Johnny. You get with the righteous and we'll be eating Ho Ho's and not getting fat like The Huckenstein in Heaven after Rapture. It'll be Sliders and Ho Ho's, no fat and no gas.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:09:25pm

re: #102 Jeff In Ohio

I expect better food in Heaven than Sliders and Ho Ho's.

It's gonna be cheesecake and baby back ribs all the way.

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calochortus Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:10:10pm

re: #102 Jeff In Ohio

Not to mention that God loves us so much that he is giving us the free will to do what we need to to get into heaven, but because he has a sense of humor, He is also giving us less than adequate information, so the odds are against us actually doing right. Then we can be punished for all eternity. Yea!/

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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:10:18pm

re: #94 Sionainn

I'd completely forgotten about the rally today. Apparently, so did tea party folks since only a few hundred showed up today.

I watched parts of it on cspan this morning. About 100 people showed up.

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calochortus Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:11:30pm

re: #105 Killgore Trout

I watched parts of it on cspan this morning. About 100 people showed up.

Yeah, but I just heard Mike Pence on The Newshour talking about how they have to do the will of the (100) people.

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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:13:08pm

re: #103 EmmmieG

I expect better food in Heaven than Sliders and Ho Ho's.

It's gonna be cheesecake and baby back ribs all the way.

I don't know about the cheesecake, but if you want good grilling and BBQ you will have to go to hell...

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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:13:19pm

re: #105 Killgore Trout

I watched parts of it on cspan this morning. About 100 people showed up.

The estimates I read said 1/2 of the crowd was media and pols, so that leaves about 50 TP'ers and their Hoverounds.

Image: hover_round11.png

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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:16:48pm

re: #89 Renaissance_Man

I wonder - did the glorious potpourri of fundamentalism, conspiracy theory, and hating government, liberals, and foreigners come into being with Reagan, or did he just popularise it? Because they seem such unlikely bedfellows - at first blush, they seem to share no common tenets except a desire to believe, rather than think. And yet, despite that, here they are, one of the most powerful (if not the most) power blocs in the world's lone superpower.

I had a large multi-page glossy shoved under my wiper today, as did every one of the hundreds of cars in the parking lot, meaning it cost at least a reasonable sum to produce. It was from some Texan fundie preacher with multiple churches and glowing letters from foreign followers, and the title was, literally, 'Evil Roman Catholic agents in the US Government Seek to Kill Americans'. In it I learned about how evil agents of the foreign Catholic NWO had actually been responsible for Waco, 9/11, and Oklahoma City, and how they secretly murdered Americans who opposed them by radiation in the water. Needless to say, Bill Clinton and Obama are willing catspaws. And Muslims are their agents. This is clearly rubbish, but I frankly don't see a difference between that and the underlying tenets of the Tea Party, or a Glenn Beck show, or the sort of stuff that US legislators say all too often on the floor.

This sort of conspiracy theory stuff is not new. I am, however, somewhat disturbed that it determines policy and governance in the world's sole superpower. That seems - unreasonable.

I think Reagan did do a lot to popularize it, perhaps inadvertently. He certainly made a conscious effort to turn the new religious right into a solid GOP voting bloc. He may not have realized what kind of baggage came with it. In my memory, this "potpourri" really started to coalesce in the 1960s, in response to the various cultural upheavals of that time. It was pretty well formed by the mid 70s though relatively few people outside that culture really knew about it.
A lot of it was connected in one way or another to survivalism. I have always thought there was a legitimate place for survival preparation, even pretty extreme preparations, but survivalism as a social and political phenomenon is something different and far more specific.
See Armed and Dangerous: The Rise of the Survivalist Right by James Coates. Published back in 1988, this is still one of the most useful histories of the extreme right. You can read it and see the Tea Party coming.

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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:17:08pm

The wingnuts are all excited about this article for some reason....
Shah: GOP budget would kill 70,000 children

As Congress struggles to negotiate a budget deal to keep the government running, the head of the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) told lawmakers Wednesday that the GOP version of the budget bill would result in the deaths of at least 70,000 children who depend on American food and health assistance around the world.

"We estimate, and I believe these are very conservative estimates, that H.R. 1 would lead to 70,000 kids dying," USAID Administrator Rajiv Shah testified before the House Appropriations State and Foreign Ops subcommittee.

"Of that 70,000, 30,000 would come from malaria control programs that would have to be scaled back specifically. The other 40,000 is broken out as 24,000 would die because of a lack of support for immunizations and other investments and 16,000 would be because of a lack of skilled attendants at birth," he said.

Although none of them seem to dispute the figures they are outraged but still support cutting the foreign aid anyways.

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engineer cat Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:18:07pm

no, no, no - americans should be forced at gunpoint to listen to captain beefheart

the recalcitrant and bad natured will be punished with kenny g

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Simply Sarah Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:18:36pm

re: #110 Killgore Trout

The wingnuts are all excited about this article for some reason...
Shah: GOP budget would kill 70,000 children

Although none of them seem to dispute the figures they are outraged but still support cutting the foreign aid anyways.

It's cynical of me, but it's probably a case of "But those are 70,000 dead non-American children".

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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:20:02pm

re: #112 Simply Sarah

It's cynical of me, but it's probably a case of "But those are 70,000 dead non-American children".

That's not cynical, that's probably pretty accurate. If you were cynical you'd say "non-white" children.

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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:20:53pm

4:20!

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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:23:16pm

The commenters at Hot Air seem to think the children could all be saved if we sent them cheap DDT. huh

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Simply Sarah Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:24:35pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

The commenters at Hot Air seem to think the children could all be saved if we sent them cheap DDT. huh

I'm...pretty sure we do that already? DDT usage may have mostly been canned here, but it's still used for fighting the spread of disease by controlling the vectors.

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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:29:05pm

re: #116 Simply Sarah

I'm...pretty sure we do that already? DDT usage may have mostly been canned here, but it's still used for fighting the spread of disease by controlling the vectors.

Ah, you're right...
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Once the mainstay of anti-malaria campaigns, as of 2008 only 12 countries used DDT, including India and some southern African states,[82] though the number is expected to rise

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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:29:51pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

The commenters at Hot Air seem to think the children could all be saved if we sent them cheap DDT. huh

Potable water.

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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:30:30pm

A while back, I shared my story of the preacher I found trying to cast out a Dodge Demon.

What I didn't mention was that this happened in 1977 or 78 or that this man and his small group of disciples already accepted ideas that have come to characterize the far right in recent times. They were really into survivalism and guns, lots of guns. They bought gold when they could and the preacher, so help me, even had a stock of non-hybrid seeds. They were convinced there was a global movement to destroy Christianity and that both political parties were neck-deep in it.
I remember him telling me that several large caches of weapons had been placed near the state prison in Huntsville. On a signal from someone or other, the convicts would be allowed to escape. After that they would retrieve the weapons and spread over the countryside massacring Christians. A handy master list of the latter would be given to the convict before the staged escape.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:32:52pm

what

MSNBC Video

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:33:17pm

re: #91 zora

"wow" is all i can say.

I LOVE finding these guys, it's like looking into the souls of crazy people, but with HTML code

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:34:06pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

The commenters at Hot Air seem to think the children could all be saved if we sent them cheap DDT. huh

Well, that's true, but you have to shoot the DDT cannisters when the millipede is at the top of the screen so the cloud will get them

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watching you tiny alien kittens are Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:36:15pm

Does that mean that I will get to bring my own gun to Mr. Barton's compulsory speech?

No?

Gee, and here I thought these people were all for the second amendment right of legal citizens to carry arms.

/// :p

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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:42:18pm

Funny pict from Huffpoo:

Image: r-BOEHNER-TEA-PARTY-huge.jpg

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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:42:30pm

RINO!
Sen. Scott Brown calls Republican spending cuts ‘irresponsible’

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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:43:26pm

re: #124 Jeff In Ohio

Don't oxygenate me bro!

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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:43:45pm

Rand Paul has a strangely lucid moment

Youtube Video

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blueraven Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:44:15pm

re: #110 Killgore Trout

The wingnuts are all excited about this article for some reason...
Shah: GOP budget would kill 70,000 children

Although none of them seem to dispute the figures they are outraged but still support cutting the foreign aid anyways.

That's what major sleazeball Dick Morris was railing about today at the TP rally. USAID. Such a jerk!
Add cutting salaries & benefits for teachers, police, and firefighters, while kneeling at the alter of the wealthiest Americans, so that they dont have to pay 3% more in taxes...of the amount over 250K.
America, fuck yeah!

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:46:37pm

re: #123 ausador

Does that mean that I will get to bring my own gun to Mr. Barton's compulsory speech?

Well of course you can't bring your own gun, you're a liberal. And as everyone knows, liberals will burst into flames if they ever touch a gun.
/

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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:51:19pm

re: #128 blueraven

That's what major sleazeball Dick Morris was railing about today at the TP rally. USAID. Such a jerk!
Add cutting salaries & benefits for teachers, police, and firefighters, while kneeling at the alter of the wealthiest Americans, so that they dont have to pay 3% more in taxes...of the amount over 250K.
America, fuck yeah!

It's pretty disgusting.

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darthstar Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:52:27pm

re: #124 Jeff In Ohio

Funny pict from Huffpoo:

Image: r-BOEHNER-TEA-PARTY-huge.jpg

That dude is breathing government provided oxygen, I'm guessing.

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darthstar Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:53:56pm

re: #127 negativ

Rand Paul has a strangely lucid moment

[Video]

Rand Paul's like Michele Bachmann without balls.

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engineer cat Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:57:28pm

at this point it looks like the gop primary season will boil down to smiley vs the huckster in the role of Last Defense Against the Scourge of Realism and Cooperation

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RogueOne Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:00:38pm

Drive By! This one is for hoops:

VanZant's second family helped success at Butler
[Link: www.indystar.com...]

Lisa Litton still gets those looks when she talks about her son, Shawn Vanzant.

It happened again last weekend in New Orleans when a fan asked which Bulldog player was her child. Almost as soon as the words came out of Litton's mouth, the other woman blurted out, "You're kidding, right?"

Litton, who is white, and Vanzant, who is black, have gotten accustomed to the dropped jaws and dumbfounded stares over the past six years. To them, it really doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. She is Vanzant's mother and he is her son, and there's no doubt about that.

If you aren't rooting for Butler this weekend, you're probably a damn dirty commie.

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RogueOne Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:02:32pm

re: #120 WindUpBird

what

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

They probably chained it to a stake for him. Butthole.

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Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:04:19pm

I figured out why i get free bed and board at home with the parents - employing a geek to live with them 24/7 isn't quite as cost effective.

Mum + spam email message = malware up the wazooo.

Me + broken computer = all night of refreshing the data back up and repair.

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Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:04:46pm

re: #134 RogueOne

Drive By! This one is for hoops:

VanZant's second family helped success at Butler
[Link: www.indystar.com...]

If you aren't rooting for Butler this weekend, you're probably a damn dirty commie.

I'm a damn dirty ape.........

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SpaceJesus Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:05:41pm

how is it that he has time to make such stupid comments, what with all the squirrels there are out running around out there to be chased down and devoured?

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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:05:43pm

re: #132 darthstar

Rand Paul's like Michele Bachmann without balls.

Que?

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darthstar Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:06:06pm

re: #136 wozzablog

I figured out why i get free bed and board at home with the parents - employing a geek to live with them 24/7 isn't quite as cost effective.

Mum + spam email message = malware up the wazooo.

Me + broken computer = all night of refreshing the data back up and repair.

I'm always installing adaware and malwarebytes on family computers. Then I explain how one can easily update and run these programs every few weeks or once a month and keep their computers clean and happy, but they usually wait until the machine grinds to a halt.

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darthstar Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:07:07pm

re: #139 Jeff In Ohio

Que?

She's a ballsy woman. Batshit crazy, but ballsy. Rand Paul isn't.

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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:07:22pm

Vintage guitar auction in Dallas

If anyone feels like getting me the '59 hardtail Strat and/or the '61 SG that would be pretty cool.

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Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:08:13pm

re: #140 darthstar

I'm always installing adaware and malwarebytes on family computers. Then I explain how one can easily update and run these programs every few weeks or once a month and keep their computers clean and happy, but they usually wait until the machine grinds to a halt.

Oh, this poor PC stood no chance even with spybot s&d running realtime. None what so ever.

Mum opened a spam email and clicked on the link = instant malware + reboot into malware screens hiding on top of windows.

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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:09:26pm

lol...
With defections, Libya has tough time getting envoy to U.N.

The drama over who will next represent Libya at the United Nations deepened Thursday in the wake of two apparent defections.

Moammar Gadhafi's government earlier this month asked that former Foreign Minister Ali Abdussalam Treki be approved as its envoy.

Treki, who recently served as the president of the U.N. General Assembly, was to replace Abdurrahman Mohamed Shalgham as ambassador in New York, but he never arrived.

A relative of Treki and an opposition leader said Thursday that Treki has defected and was in Cairo.

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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:10:18pm

re: #141 darthstar

She's a ballsy woman. Batshit crazy, but ballsy. Rand Paul isn't.

Oh, he's the pussy.

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theheat Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:12:33pm

Huckabee: 'All Americans Should Be Forced at Gunpoint to Listen to David Barton'

Suffice to say, I have a real problem with being force fed fundie bullshit at gunpoint, and would be inclined toward incalculable violence.

They are unable to refrain from fundie fantasies where the unwashed are intimidated and punished into compliance.

Not fucking happening.

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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:12:38pm

re: #142 negativ

Vintage guitar auction in Dallas

If anyone feels like getting me the '59 hardtail Strat and/or the '61 SG that would be pretty cool.

That stuff looks way overpriced (pretty much retail prices). If you really want some bargains check out the musical instruments sales at Skinner in Boston. There aren't a whole lot of guitars and amps, it's mostly violins but the prices are amazing and there isn't a whole lot of competition from other bidders on the guitars.

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:14:13pm

re: #144 Killgore Trout

Gadhafi: "Hey Buddy, I want you to go to the UN as our new envoy".

Buddy: "What? You mean leave Libya? Sure thing boss, whatever you say".

Buddy: "Peace out, bitches"!

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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:14:14pm

Revealed: Gaddafi envoy in Britain for secret talks

Exclusive: Contact with senior aide believed to be one of a number between Libyan officials and west amid signs regime may be looking for exit strategy

Quagmire! Post-American humiliation! No exit strategy! a- Booo-hoo hoo!
/Wingnut

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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:15:32pm

re: #148 Slumbering Behemoth

Gadhafi: "Hey Buddy, I want you to go to the UN as our new envoy".

Buddy: "What? You mean leave Libya? Sure thing boss, whatever you say".

Buddy: "Peace out, bitches"!

I kinda suspect the guy mentioned in #149 might bail too but I suppose we might encourage him to stay on long enough to negotiate with him.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:15:54pm

re: #146 theheat

You're an American. You have a bad reaction to being forcefed anything.

(On the other hand, with enough Hollywood-style sex and violence, we'll passively sit through all kinds of nonsense.)

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:16:21pm

re: #9 SanFranciscoZionist

I think it's actually "marching AS to war".

Oops! You are keeerect.

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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:17:32pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Revealed: Gaddafi envoy in Britain for secret talks

Quagmire! Post-American humiliation! No exit strategy! a- Booo-hoo hoo!
/Wingnut

Not to mention mocking Obama for saying he believed Gadhafi would step down.

I'm hoping for an end to the bloodshed and a round of crow dinners.

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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:20:26pm

re: #147 Killgore Trout

That stuff looks way overpriced (pretty much retail prices). If you really want some bargains check out the musical instruments sales at Skinner in Boston. There aren't a whole lot of guitars and amps, it's mostly violins but the prices are amazing and there isn't a whole lot of competition from other bidders on the guitars.

They have a '57 Les Paul goldtop estimated at $60,000 - $80,000

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:22:09pm

Can you imagine what the first day on the job was like for Obama?

Obama: "So gentlemen, what's on the agenda for my first day in office"?

Adviser: "Well, you're basically gonna be doing all the same stuff the last guy did, except all the folks that cheered him on will start calling for impeachment hearings".

Obama: *sigh*

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darthstar Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:23:29pm

re: #153 prononymous

Not to mention mocking Obama for saying he believed Gadhafi would step down.

I'm hoping for an end to the bloodshed and a round of crow dinners.

Qadaffi (I choose a spelling of the name Gaddafi at random every time I write Kadaffy) could step down tomorrow, denounce his own policies, call for a recognition of Israel's right to exist, and Republicans would still find something wrong with it. They don't even eat crow when they get convicted and sentenced to prison - see Tom DeLay.

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Stanghazi Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:24:17pm

ahmed Ahmed Al Omran
by acarvin

[PIC] Hijabi women in Tunisia are happy they can wear hijab now for their national ID photos [Link: twitpic.com...] (via @ifikra) haha!

Please click this twitpic!!!

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darthstar Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:24:58pm

re: #154 negativ

They have a '57 Les Paul goldtop estimated at $60,000 - $80,000

I could make that guitar sound like shit if I was allowed to play it.

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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:25:50pm

re: #153 prononymous

Not to mention mocking Obama for saying he believed Gadhafi would step down.

I'm hoping for an end to the bloodshed and a round of crow dinners.

Yeah, a lot of people were rooting for failure. I'm glad things are looking up.

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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:26:02pm

re: #157 Stanley Sea

ahmed Ahmed Al Omran
by acarvin

[PIC] Hijabi women in Tunisia are happy they can wear hijab now for their national ID photos [Link: twitpic.com...] (via @ifikra) haha!

Please click this twitpic!!!

Epic!

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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:26:04pm

re: #158 darthstar

I could make that guitar sound like shit if I was allowed to play it.

Youtube Video

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darthstar Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:26:45pm

re: #161 negativ

[Video]

Yes, like Nigel, only with less sense of rhythm or chords.

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Ojoe Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:32:23pm

Forced at gunpoint ? ! ?

God forbid this Huckabee asshole gets the nomination.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:34:18pm

re: #161 negativ

Youtube Video

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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:35:42pm

re: #156 darthstar

Qadaffi (I choose a spelling of the name Gaddafi at random every time I write Kadaffy)

I do the same thing. Part of the problem is that some languages just don't transliterate into other languages very well. And I'm not going to put any effort into getting the dickhead's name right.

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CuriousLurker Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:36:53pm

re: #157 Stanley Sea

ahmed Ahmed Al Omran
by acarvin

[PIC] Hijabi women in Tunisia are happy they can wear hijab now for their national ID photos [Link: twitpic.com...] (via @ifikra) haha!

Please click this twitpic!!!

Hahahahahahaha!

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CuriousLurker Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:39:20pm

re: #160 Killgore Trout

Okay, I can't find it in this thread, but I had the spy open and saw you mention that you found one of your frogs. Congrats on that!

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CuriousLurker Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:42:36pm

Oh, new thread. Duh.

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abolitionist Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:10:44pm

Just shoot me, Huck.

Several years ago, not long after 911, a dear lady friend invited me to a local church that had a guest pastor who advocated Bible-inspired discipline for our children. IIRC, the pastor's name was David Kennedy (same name mentioned in link below). The handouts were more or less sane, but the OT passages that were referenced in the sermon reminded me of the Taliban, and I said as much to my friend. She was not pleased.

Specifically, those passages were about how to handle a "rebellious" child. Step 1: a father makes a complaint to the community elders. Step 2: After deliberation by the elders, the child may be publicly stoned, or a lesser punishment imposed. There was no mention of an advocate for the accused, or that he or she even be allowed to speak.

Another handout was about a local Answers in Genesis meeting. We went.

David Barton (of Wallbuilders) shared the stage (and agenda) with Ken Ham. My lady friend later gave me autographed copy of Dinosaurs of Eden (by Ken Ham) for my two daughters. I graciously accepted, and then dispatched them to the landfill.

As of last July, Barton and Ham still shared their message from a common stage:
Reclaiming America for Christ - Worldview Conference and Patriot Pastor's Tea Party (from poster)

And next month, the group is hosting two day conference/Tea Party event that is scheduled to feature the likes of David Barton [of WallBuilders], Ken Ham of Answers in Genesis, Jim Garlow, and Rick Scarborough

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abolitionist Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:20:39pm

"forced at gunpoint" quote included (YouTube video)

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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:24:06pm

re: #157 Stanley Sea

ahmed Ahmed Al Omran
by acarvin

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Please click this twitpic!!!

Giggity!

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abolitionist Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:30:15pm

"He has that mentality, of take the Bible, and apply it to every aspect of the culture" --Barton, about Huckabee.

Guess I was right about that Taliban comment.

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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:33:20pm

re: #103 EmmmieG

I expect better food in Heaven than Sliders and Ho Ho's.

It's gonna be cheesecake and baby back ribs all the way.

Ho-Hos are close relatives of the Hostess Ding-Dongs, basically the same formulation of sugar and god-knows-what-else but in a different form. Ding-dongs were the only Hostess snack-food units I actually liked. Never could remember their real name so I just called them "those fudge hockey puck things." They had enough calories to jump-start a nuclear reactor and enough preservatives to mummify a whole dynasty of pharaohs.

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abolitionist Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:35:02pm

Pimf: Gahh!

dispatched ~~them~~ the book to the landfill.

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:48:26pm

re: #90 EmmmieG

Glory be. Just noticed what they're pointing out on the EU coin.

Do they really think they're the first ones to notice the rough shape of Sweden/Norway/Finland? Really?

My favorite is the horrifying statue of Europa and the Bull, outside the EU building. SHOCKA!!!!

Just think Greek mythology here for a moment with the Minotaur.

Wrong story, guys.

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:50:24pm

re: #106 calochortus

Yeah, but I just heard Mike Pence on The Newshour talking about how they have to do the will of the (100) people.

Well, what do the hundred people want?

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:54:03pm

re: #135 RogueOne

They probably chained it to a stake for him. Butthole.

Because he was the only person in the area who know how to use a bang-fire-stick and save the crops?

This story doesn't entirely make sense.

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Achilles Tang Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:58:42pm

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The GOP really needs to read that Constitution thing they keep talking about so much.

They need to read that bible thing they keep talking about so much.

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Achilles Tang Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:59:49pm

and I might add, we've been out of power here for the past 8 hours, so no apologies for being late.

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SidewaysQuark Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:18:11pm

The "forced at gunpoint" thing is obviously just an expression, not meant to be seriously. It's not a controversy of substance.

The real controversy is that a "respectable" politician takes an obvious crackpot like Barton seriously. That's scary enough.

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SidewaysQuark Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:20:37pm

Just to add: imagine Obama had said, during his candidacy, Bill Ayers should be listened to "forced at gunpoint" - imagine the noise on talk radio.....

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Talking Point Detective Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:55:50pm

Hey - if we don't listen to Barton, how will we know which taxes are "biblical" and which taxes are "un-biblical?"

In reality, it is a little known fact that the original version of the Constitution stipulated that citizens should be forced at gunpoint to listen to Barton.

Unfortunately, that addition had been written on a loose slip of paper that got lost on the way to the printers (I live in Philadelphia, and I can tell you that it gets very windy near Independence Hall), and none of the founding fathers could find it so they just left if off of the final copy.

Michelle Bachmann told that story right after she explained that the founding fathers "worked tirelessly" to eliminate slavery.

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Querent Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:04:06pm

re: #55 zora

like my sister when we were younger singing "there is a bomb in gilead". if you are not familiar, it's supposed to be "there is a balm in gilead".

Because these days there really IS a bomb in Gilead?

(wish that was ///)

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Henchman 25 Fri, Apr 1, 2011 12:43:31am

re: #129 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh hey, a shotgunOH GOD WHY AM I ON FIRE

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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Fri, Apr 1, 2011 1:53:53am

re: #180 SidewaysQuark

The "forced at gunpoint" thing is obviously just an expression, not meant to be seriously. It's not a controversy of substance.

The real controversy is that a "respectable" politician takes an obvious crackpot like Barton seriously. That's scary enough.

If it was just an innocent expression he could simply say as much instead of trying to memory-hole it. But the message is clear even if he didn't mean "at gunpoint" in the most literal sense.

He says that he wishes every young person in America would be under Barton's tutelage, then that he "almost" wishes that people would be forced at gunpoint to watch Barton, and then says he thinks America would be better for it.

If he meant the part about "at gunpoint" literally or only figuratively isn't the point. The point is that he thinks America would be better off with some brainwashing and compulsory propaganda broadcasts.

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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Apr 1, 2011 2:07:03am

re: #179 Naso Tang

and I might add, we've been out of power here for the past 8 hours, so no apologies for being late.

Are you in the Canadian government or what?

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beartiger Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:17:45am

He was obviously joking.

I hate it when the right takes things that people say in jest and tries to make it seem they were serious. I don't think we who oppose the right should do it, either.

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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:33:25am

re: #187 beartiger

He was obviously joking.

I hate it when the right takes things that people say in jest and tries to make it seem they were serious. I don't think we who oppose the right should do it, either.

It doesn't matter if the "at gun point" part was a figure of speech. He appears to genuinely believe that compulsory propaganda would be a good thing for America. He emphasized that point twice.

Also Barton said "he has that mentality of take the Bible and apply it to every aspect of the culture". Something Huck didn't dispute.

Huckabee goes on to say "it is about bringing pastors together [...] so they go back to their pulpits and light them on fire with the enthusiasm to make America once again the greatest country on earth under god". As if politics from the pulpit wasn't bad enough, it is well understood that it is very easy to "suggest" that your followers vote for someone with "particular" qualities - skirting the ban on non-profits endorsing candidates. And every election cycle plenty of pastors can't help themselves anyway, step over the line and endorse a candidate, Huckabee no less in many cases.

There is so much sick shit in this short clip that I'm getting esophageal erosion just watching it again. That you would attack others for simply expressing their disgust is quite out of line, imo.

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wrenchwench Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:34:05am

re: #187 beartiger

He was obviously joking.

I hate it when the right takes things that people say in jest and tries to make it seem they were serious. I don't think we who oppose the right should do it, either.

He may have been jesting about the "forced at gunpoint" thing, but he was not at all jesting about wanting EVERYBODY to listen to David Barton. This David Barton:

Rob Boston of Americans United for Separation of Church and State has been critical, stating
The Religious Right's leading practitioner of this type of historical revisionism is David Barton ... Barton makes a lucrative living traveling the right wing's lecture circuit where he offers up a cut-and-paste version of U.S. history liberally sprinkled with gross distortions and, in some cases, outright factual errors. Crowds of fundamentalist Christians from coast to coast can't get enough of it.[36]

Rev. Randolph Bracy, president of the Orange County, Florida chapter of the NAACP has referred to Barton as a "Holocaust-denier, an anti-Semite and someone who has called for the death penalty for gay and lesbian people", stating that Barton has "a long history of being related to the worst fringes of our society."[36]

That, I think, is the larger point. His desire for people to be exposed to David Barton's "thinking" did not get edited out of the video. I hope it doesn't get lost in the "forced at gunpoint" issue.

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S'latch Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:45:37am

I calculate the odds of Mike Huckabee becoming president to be very close to zero. Although he appeals to a fair size group of right wing social conservatives, a person can't get elected president that way. The Republican party has for a long time had three segments: social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, and national defense conservatives. A successful Republican candidate must appeal to all three, and also have a personal appeal to a large number of independents. There is actually no Republican I can think of who currently has those bases covered, and Hike Huckabee clearly doesn't. Mike Huckabee is moronic and obnoxiously theocratic, but we can all rest easy and be very confident that Mike Huckabee will never be elected president.

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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:52:44am

re: #190 Lawrence Schmerel

Of course Huck doesn't have a chance. His role is to push on the Overton window.

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beartiger Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:43:15am

He may have been jesting about the "forced at gunpoint" thing, but he was not at all jesting about wanting EVERYBODY to listen to David Barton. ... That, I think, is the larger point.

Agreed. And that is a valid point, that Barton is a far right loon, a dishonest shyster, and possibly (I hadn't know this before) an anti-Semite, supported by someone who we're supposed to take seriously as a presidential candidate.

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Spocomptonite Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:50:15am

re: #153 prononymous

Not to mention mocking Obama for saying he believed Gadhafi would step down.

I'm hoping for an end to the bloodshed and a round of crow dinners.

You can lead a wingnut to crow but you can't make them eat.

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Charles Johnson Fri, Apr 1, 2011 10:04:17am

re: #187 beartiger

He was obviously joking.

I hate it when the right takes things that people say in jest and tries to make it seem they were serious. I don't think we who oppose the right should do it, either.

Wow, talk about missing the point. You think this post is trying to say Mike Huckabee literally wanted to force people at gunpoint?

Guess what? I do actually get that he was making what passes for a joke on Planet Huckabee.

But he was not joking at all about wanting to force Americans to listen to David Barton's nasty revisionism.

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beartiger Fri, Apr 1, 2011 10:16:28am

You think this post is trying to say Mike Huckabee literally wanted to force people at gunpoint?

Yes.

But he was not joking at all about wanting to force Americans to listen to David Barton's nasty revisionism.

I don't even believe that. I believe in context it's clear it's hyperbole, intended to expressive his great admiration for Barton.

Jesus Christ, sorry for daring to disagree. :/

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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Fri, Apr 1, 2011 10:32:18am

re: #195 beartiger

I don't even believe that. I believe in context it's clear it's hyperbole, intended to expressive his great admiration for Barton.

You are mistaken. The "at gunpoint" part might be figurative. But he said that he felt all children should be under Barton's tutelage. Then he reinforced that point by saying he felt all Americans should be forced to watch his messages. He then concluded that bit by saying he felt that America would be better off if that were to happen.

It is fairly clear that he wasn't just joking when he advocated compulsory propaganda. He wouldn't be trying to memory-hole it if it was only metaphorical point.

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S'latch Fri, Apr 1, 2011 10:37:09am

re: #196 prononymous

It is difficult to believe than anyone could argue seriously for compulsory propaganda. However, I also know you shouldn't underestimate a persons potential for misconduct. And, I don't trust Mike Huckabee at all.

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Charles Johnson Fri, Apr 1, 2011 10:39:52am

re: #195 beartiger

Yes.

Well, you missed the point completely, then.

I don't even believe that. I believe in context it's clear it's hyperbole, intended to expressive his great admiration for Barton.

And you're wrong. He repeats several times in the video that ALL Americans should be subjected to Barton's historical revisionism.

Jesus Christ, sorry for daring to disagree. :/

Help! I'm being oppressed!

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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Fri, Apr 1, 2011 10:44:00am

re: #197 Lawrence Schmerel

I don't find it difficult to believe at all. Just look at human history.

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S'latch Fri, Apr 1, 2011 10:44:54am

re: #199 prononymous

I know. It's still hard to believe. I don't know why.

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SidewaysQuark Fri, Apr 1, 2011 10:58:11am

Huckabee. Palin. Bachmann. Santorum. Trump. Gingrich. Pawlenty. Cain. Bolton. Paul.

Seriously, could the Republicans conceivably find a bigger assortment of reactionary idiots if they set their minds to it?

Looks like Obama will cruise in to the Presidency in 2012 down a waterslide, unless some more viable candidates speak up.

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beartiger Fri, Apr 1, 2011 11:04:09am

Well, you missed the point completely, then.

Okay, at least I have an ego that allows me to admit that.

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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Fri, Apr 1, 2011 11:06:48am

re: #202 beartiger

Okay, at least I have an ego that allows me to admit that.

And none of the commenters responding to you have an ego that lets them admit mistakes. Charles hasn't admitted any mistakes? I haven't admitted any mistakes?

Get a damn clue. You are turning into a dumbshit real fast.

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beartiger Fri, Apr 1, 2011 11:15:39am

Get a damn clue. You are turning into a dumbshit real fast.

You can call others dumbshits, because this comment of yours evinces great intelligence. :)

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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Fri, Apr 1, 2011 11:25:30am

No, I can call you a dumbshit because that's what you are being. Do you really think those debating you have egos that can't let us admit mistakes? Do you think Charles hasn't admitted any mistakes in the past? Do you have any idea how to use the search function here? Are you just trolling for the fun of it? Should I be feeding you?

The answer to that last question is obvious. Enjoy mucking around down here.

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beartiger Fri, Apr 1, 2011 11:32:38am

Do you really think those debating you have egos that can't let us admit mistakes?

Perish the thought--my mild disagreement has been treated so courteously, and not vituperatively at all, just like it always is. Obviously, you guys have no egos at all.

As far as I'm concerned this thread is done. Ciao.

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Tigger2005 Fri, Apr 1, 2011 11:33:40am

re: #194 Charles

Wow, talk about missing the point. You think this post is trying to say Mike Huckabee literally wanted to force people at gunpoint?

Guess what? I do actually get that he was making what passes for a joke on Planet Huckabee.

But he was not joking at all about wanting to force Americans to listen to David Barton's nasty revisionism.

Not only that, Charles... beartiger surely knows that if Obama said anything remotely similar to what Huck said, Beck, Limbaugh, Fox News, and the right-wing blogs would most assuredly be playing it up for all it's worth. "Buy guns and ammo NOW! They're coming to ship you off to camps and indoctrinate you and your children with their atheist Marxist propaganda!"

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CuriousLurker Fri, Apr 1, 2011 11:36:03am

re: #205 prononymous

Image: concern-trolls.jpg

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Tigger2005 Fri, Apr 1, 2011 11:36:14am

re: #206 beartiger

Perish the thought--my mild disagreement has been treated so courteously, and not vituperatively at all, just like it always is. Obviously, you guys have no egos at all.

As far as I'm concerned this thread is done. Ciao.

Run away! Run away!

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