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1 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:25:41pm

Lots of hits from reddit today...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

2 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:26:58pm

It's Spring Time, your plumage should be at it's finest!

3 stevemcg  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:28:13pm

I was amazed to see that it was 101 degrees in Rancho Mirage today.

4 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:28:51pm

re: #1 Charles

Lots of hits from reddit today...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I've really come to enjoy reddit but I think LGF will probably have the same problem we had with Digg and Fark. We don't fit in politically. Reddit is full of anti-Israel hate and pro Wikileaks crap. They think Manning is a hero.
It's a great site for cool links but they're political morons.

5 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:30:52pm

I'm having a happy spring day because we had a few hours of something resembling daylight and only minor rain today. I also found one of my frogs! he was hiding in a lavender bush and seemed quite healthy and happy.

6 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:31:11pm

re: #1 Charles

Lots of hits from reddit today...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Choice reddit comment from the Indiana rape thread:

The solution is simple: require at least four male eyewitnesses to testify that the rape actually occurred. Be sure to give the rule a catchy name, like, say, "Sherry's Law."

7 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:31:57pm

I'm reposting this tweet so everyone can click the twitpic!

ahmed Ahmed Al Omran
by acarvin

[PIC] Hijabi women in Tunisia are happy they can wear hijab now for their national ID photos [Link: twitpic.com...] (via @ifikra) haha!

8 stevemcg  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:34:40pm

re: #7 Stanley Sea

I'm reposting this tweet so everyone can click the twitpic!

ahmed Ahmed Al Omran
by acarvin

[PIC] Hijabi women in Tunisia are happy they can wear hijab now for their national ID photos [Link: twitpic.com...] (via @ifikra) haha!

Pardon my tech igorance but how do even know they're Tunisian?

9 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:35:01pm

re: #7 Stanley Sea

I'm reposting this tweet so everyone can click the twitpic!

ahmed Ahmed Al Omran
by acarvin

[PIC] Hijabi women in Tunisia are happy they can wear hijab now for their national ID photos [Link: twitpic.com...] (via @ifikra) haha!

Definitely worth reposting.

10 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:35:29pm

re: #8 stevemcg

Pardon my tech igorance but how do even know they're Tunisian?

Presumably because it was posted by

sami ben gharbia
@ifikra Bizerte | Tunisia

Global Voices Advocacy Director - Co-founder of the Tunisian collective blog nawaat.org

[Link: samibengharbia.com...]

11 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:36:17pm

re: #8 stevemcg

Pardon my tech igorance but how do even know they're Tunisian?

I trust Andy Carvin, that's all I know.

12 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:36:42pm

re: #8 stevemcg
sami ben gharbia

Pardon my tech igorance but how do even know they're Tunisian?

Global Voices Advocacy Director - Co-founder of the Tunisian collective blog nawaat.org


I see no reason to doubt the pic.

13 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:37:15pm

re: #5 Killgore Trout

Ribbit!
That's great!

14 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:37:32pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

sami ben gharbia


I see no reason to doubt the pic.

False flag! It's all BS!!!

Holy shit, that photo is actually pretty joyous. Glass half full I guess.

15 darthstar  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:38:40pm

re: #8 stevemcg

Pardon my tech igorance but how do even know they're Tunisian?

More important, how do they feel about partying with an infidel?

16 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:39:26pm

I'm actually on the road right now, traveling the highways and byways of this great nation, in search of an honest man. Or maybe just some really good barbecue.

17 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:39:32pm

re: #13 Floral Giraffe

Ribbit!
That's great!

I'm very relieved. I occassionally think I hear a faint croak and have found some possible frog prints in the mud near the pond but nothing definitive until today. With a little luck I'll have hundreds of them later this summer.

18 darthstar  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:41:00pm

re: #17 Killgore Trout

I'm very relieved. I occassionally think I hear a faint croak and have found some possible frog prints in the mud near the pond but nothing definitive until today. With a little luck I'll have hundreds of them later this summer.

Please tell me you didn't slip some croaker a Spanish Fly...

19 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:41:36pm

re: #16 Charles

Don't go to Carolina. That stuff sucks!

20 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:41:58pm

re: #18 darthstar

Please tell me you didn't slip some croaker a Spanish Fly...

I figure I'll just throw some viagra in the pond.

21 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:43:11pm

re: #17 Killgore Trout

I'm very relieved. I occassionally think I hear a faint croak and have found some possible frog prints in the mud near the pond but nothing definitive until today. With a little luck I'll have hundreds of them later this summer.

Yay, your amphibians survived another year. :)

22 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:43:37pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

I've really come to enjoy reddit but I think LGF will probably have the same problem we had with Digg and Fark. We don't fit in politically. Reddit is full of anti-Israel hate and pro Wikileaks crap. They think Manning is a hero.
It's a great site for cool links but they're political morons.

It doesn't matter... hits are hits... bottom line.

23 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:44:54pm

allert allert
by acarvin

@acarvin I was in Tunisia with a metal band once. We were told not to do "the horns". Whole audience, including girls in headscarf, did. :)

24 CuriousLurker  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:45:31pm

re: #5 Killgore Trout

I'm having a happy spring day because we had a few hours of something resembling daylight and only minor rain today. I also found one of my frogs! he was hiding in a lavender bush and seemed quite healthy and happy.

No wonder I couldn't find this comment, I was in the wrong thread. Congrats on finding the frog safe & sound!

25 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:45:32pm

re: #16 Charles

I'm actually on the road right now, traveling the highways and byways of this great nation, in search of an honest man. Or maybe just some really good barbecue.

Central Texas. Some stereotypes are true.

26 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:45:46pm

re: #17 Killgore Trout

I'm very relieved. I occassionally think I hear a faint croak and have found some possible frog prints in the mud near the pond but nothing definitive until today. With a little luck I'll have hundreds of them later this summer.

Here's your croak...

A $600,000 frog sculpture that lights up, gurgles "sounds of nature" and carries a 10-foot fairy girl on its back could soon be greeting Defense Department employees who plan to start working at the $700 million Mark Center in Alexandria, Va. this fall. That is unless a new controversy over the price tag of the public art doesn't torpedo the idea.

[Link: www.usnews.com...]

27 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:47:07pm

re: #26 Walter L. Newton

What shortfall? What deficit?

28 jaunte  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:47:49pm

re: #16 Charles

If you get tired of driving, these guys deliver:
[Link: www.goodecompany.com...]

29 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:48:04pm

re: #25 negativ

Well, for the barbecue part, anyway.

30 CuriousLurker  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:48:30pm

re: #11 Stanley Sea

I trust Andy Carvin, that's all I know.

Taqq....no, wait, Carvin isn't Muslim. //

31 McSpiff  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:49:32pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

I've really come to enjoy reddit but I think LGF will probably have the same problem we had with Digg and Fark. We don't fit in politically. Reddit is full of anti-Israel hate and pro Wikileaks crap. They think Manning is a hero.
It's a great site for cool links but they're political morons.

Nice part about reddit is you can select which subreddits or communities you follow. So i've removed /r/politics from mine. I have a couple weight loss groups, some programming, typography communities, iphone etc.

Agreed in general though, I don't go to reddit for the political commentary. Although you hit a diamond in the rough once in a while.

32 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:53:48pm

re: #16 Charles

Here's some ideas on the food!
[Link: chowhound.chow.com...]

33 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:54:31pm

re: #23 Stanley Sea

allert allert
by acarvin

@acarvin I was in Tunisia with a metal band once. We were told not to do "the horns". Whole audience, including girls in headscarf, did. :)

Ozzfest al-Arabiya!

Featuring the dynamic musical stylings of
Black Sabbath
Slayer
King Diamond
Iron Maiden
with special guests
Type O Negative, who reveal that the whole Pete-is-dead thing was just another troll.

That needs to happen.

34 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:58:11pm

re: #16 Charles

I'm actually on the road right now, traveling the highways and byways of this great nation, in search of an honest man. Or maybe just some really good barbecue.

Swing by Austin. I'll hook you right up. Just hurry, I'm off to the UK on wednesday, where there'll be no Q whatsoever. Hopefully, SWMBO and I won't get stuck by a Gigantic Icelandic Pain In The Ash Cloud again.

35 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:58:17pm

re: #16 Charles

I'm actually on the road right now, traveling the highways and byways of this great nation, in search of an honest man. Or maybe just some really good barbecue.

Go to Oklahoma Joe's in Kansas City.

36 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:59:15pm

re: #34 austin_blue

Swing by Austin. I'll hook you right up. Just hurry, I'm off to the UK on wednesday, where there'll be no Q whatsoever. Hopefully, SWMBO and I won't get stuck by a Gigantic Icelandic Pain In The Ash Cloud again.

The UK?.

Which bit - thats kind of where i am................

37 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:59:43pm

re: #16 Charles

I'm actually on the road right now, traveling the highways and byways of this great nation, in search of an honest man. Or maybe just some really good barbecue.

Artz in Austin is pretty damn good.

38 darthstar  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:00:00pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

I figure I'll just throw some viagra in the pond.

And put some Barry White on the outside speakers...set the mood for the little green fuckers.

39 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:00:36pm

re: #25 negativ

Central Texas. Some stereotypes are true.

No shit, Bubba!

40 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:01:09pm

re: #36 wozzablog

The UK?.

Which bit - thats kind of where i am...

Edinburgh, Leyton Buzzard.

41 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:01:10pm

re: #7 Stanley Sea

I'm reposting this tweet so everyone can click the twitpic!

ahmed Ahmed Al Omran
by acarvin

[PIC] Hijabi women in Tunisia are happy they can wear hijab now for their national ID photos [Link: twitpic.com...] (via @ifikra) haha!

Good looking ladies, and obviously intelligent.

42 albusteve  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:02:25pm

re: #39 austin_blue

No shit, Bubba!

there is good smoke wherever I go, and plenty right here in ABQ....bbq is so popular that if you can't find the best, you ain't lookin hard enough

43 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:02:29pm

re: #41 b_sharp

Good looking ladies, and obviously intelligent.

This is where I get fired up. The times they are changing. The youth will not be held down like their parents were. Thanks to social media etc. I have major faith.

44 darthstar  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:02:40pm

re: #25 negativ

Central Texas. Some stereotypes are true.

It's a little island of culture in a sea of ignorance - Austin, that is.

45 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:02:48pm

re: #37 wozzablog

Artz in Austin is pretty damn good.

That fat smoked pork chop they do is Killer Bee. And, it's in the '04, about 1 1/2 miles from the Chez Austin_Blue.

46 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:05:34pm

re: #31 McSpiff

Nice part about reddit is you can select which subreddits or communities you follow. So i've removed /r/politics from mine. I have a couple weight loss groups, some programming, typography communities, iphone etc.

Agreed in general though, I don't go to reddit for the political commentary. Although you hit a diamond in the rough once in a while.

It's a great site and it seems to be where all the good stuff can be found that used to be on Fark and Digg. I like the minecraft forum on reddit and trees is kinda fun too.

47 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:06:10pm

re: #40 austin_blue

Edinburgh, Leyton Buzzard.

Enjoy your time here. Weathers alternating between sunny & cold to cloudy & cold :p

I'm in London.

48 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:08:15pm

re: #47 wozzablog

Enjoy your time here. Weathers alternating between sunny & cold to cloudy & cold :p

I'm in London.

What're you doing in London?

49 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:12:45pm

re: #45 austin_blue

That fat smoked pork chop they do is Killer Bee. And, it's in the '04, about 1 1/2 miles from the Chez Austin_Blue.

Swish :)

I was there last year in Feb. Sooo reasonably priced too - and live music.

I was being chauffered around everywhere by my girlfriend in San Antonio or i'd have been in touch to hook up for a beer. I was trapped in suburban san antonio.

50 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:13:21pm

re: #48 b_sharp

What're you doing in London?

It's where all my stuff is :p

(i'm an englanger and I live here)

51 albusteve  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:13:57pm

re: #49 wozzablog

Swish :)

I was there last year in Feb. Sooo reasonably priced too - and live music.

I was being chauffered around everywhere by my girlfriend in San Antonio or i'd have been in touch to hook up for a beer. I was trapped in suburban san antonio.

I was trapped in Philly for a month one night

52 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:15:04pm

re: #50 wozzablog

It's where all my stuff is :p

(i'm an englanger and I live here)

Hopefully I can resume my regular trips to London next year. I miss the place. Wonderful city.

53 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:15:27pm

re: #48 b_sharp

What're you doing in London?

Learning a strange language.
/

54 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:16:32pm

re: #53 Varek Raith

Learning a strange language.
/

hey. That's HM the Queen's English you are maligning there buddy ;-p

55 jaunte  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:16:52pm

re: #53 Varek Raith

Innit?

56 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:17:29pm

re: #52 Killgore Trout

Hopefully I can resume my regular trips to London next year. I miss the place. Wonderful city.

Will treat you to the beverage of your fancy the next time you are over for definite.

I've met a lot of bloggers from one of my previous incarnations - wuold be great to pick that trend up again,

57 Kragar  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:18:00pm

re: #53 Varek Raith

Learning a strange language.
/

SHUT YOU'RE GOB, YOU PONCY GIT!

58 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:18:18pm

re: #54 wozzablog

hey. That's HM the Queen's English you are maligning there buddy ;-p

Hey, it's not my fault you all don't make a lick of sense!
/

59 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:18:43pm

re: #56 wozzablog

Will treat you to the beverage of your fancy the next time you are over for definite.

I've met a lot of bloggers from one of my previous incarnations - wuold be great to pick that trend up again,

You guys even spell "would" funny.

60 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:19:06pm

re: #56 wozzablog

Will treat you to the beverage of your fancy the next time you are over for definite.

I've met a lot of bloggers from one of my previous incarnations - wuold be great to pick that trend up again,

Nice. I'll let you know.

61 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:19:17pm

re: #59 Mr Pancakes

You guys even spell "would" funny.

HAIL THE ALMIGHTY "U"!

62 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:20:14pm

re: #57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

SHUT YOU'RE GOB, YOU PONCY GIT!

You're taking a piss.

63 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:20:16pm

re: #61 Varek Raith

HAIL THE ALMIGHTY "U"!

Thnaks!

64 Kragar  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:21:07pm

re: #62 Killgore Trout

You're taking a piss.

Sod off, ya berk

65 avanti  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:21:15pm

The right wind blogs are losing control of the birthers again with Trumps comments. Trump was even described as Patton like in his bravery on the issue. Some moderators must have flat foreheads with all the face palms they are doing trying to turn the birther ship as it heads steaming toward the reef.

Honestly, as a leftie, I'm enjoying the show, but feel some compassion for the few sensible conservative moderators that are losing control.

66 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:21:45pm

re: #33 negativ

Not as out of the question as one would think. There's an interesting book I read (and later bought) called Heavy Metal Islam. It's an interesting book, well worth reading.

Aside from that, can I rant about hipsters for a moment?

67 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:21:47pm

re: #58 Varek Raith

Hey, it's not my fault you all don't make a lick of sense!
/

That's just me being me ;-)

68 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:21:58pm

re: #56 wozzablog

Will treat you to the beverage of your fancy the next time you are over for definite.

I've met a lot of bloggers from one of my previous incarnations - wuold be great to pick that trend up again,

I've met LGF Lizards in Paris and Warsaw. And I've hosted 5 or 6 Lizards at my home in Colorado.

69 prairiefire  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:22:06pm

re: #52 Killgore Trout

Hopefully I can resume my regular trips to London next year. I miss the place. Wonderful city.

Agreed. I like to watch PBS shows for the London porn. "Love Actually" movie is London at Christmas time porn.

70 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:22:33pm

re: #67 wozzablog

That's just me being me ;-)

It's all good.
...
Just as long as you say "roof" and not "ruff"
/Pet peeve.
:)

71 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:22:34pm

re: #50 wozzablog

It's where all my stuff is :p

(i'm an englanger and I live here)

That's why you 'goodnight' the rest of us so early.

You live in London? Do you know ...?

72 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:23:18pm

re: #53 Varek Raith

Learning a strange language.
/

That's better.

73 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:25:27pm

re: #71 b_sharp

That's why you 'goodnight' the rest of us so early.

You live in London? Do you know ...?

I do not know HM The Queen, or Dame Helen Mirren.....

74 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:26:46pm

When I watch movies from the UK I activate the English subtitles.

75 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:27:06pm

EPA boosts radiation monitoring after low levels found in milk

Washington (CNN) -- There is no health risk from consuming milk with extremely low levels of radiation, like those found in Washington state and California, experts said Thursday, echoing the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

"When we have a disaster like we've had with a nuclear power plant in Japan, we're probably going to find things that are truly not a public health risk, but I think it's very difficult for the public to assimilate this information and understand the risks," said Dr. Wally Curran, a radiation oncologist and head of Emory University's Winship Cancer Center.

The federal agency said Wednesday it was increasing its nationwide monitoring of radiation in milk, precipitation, drinking water, and other outlets. It already tracks radiation in those potential exposure routes through an existing network of stations across the country.

FFFRRREEEAAAKKKOOOUUUTTTT!
///

76 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:31:14pm

re: #73 wozzablog

I do not know HM The Queen, or Dame Helen Mirren...

My daughter was in Ireland last year, and when some of the locals found out she was Canuck, one of them asked her if she knew a friend of his. The friend lived in Toronto, my daughter lives 4000 Kms west of there.

It seems wherever you go, people want to know if you know the same person they do from the same country. It's just a weird human thing.

77 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:31:37pm

re: #44 darthstar

It's a little island of culture in a sea of ignorance - Austin, that is.

A million years ago, I dated a girl who lived in West. Yeah, there's a town called "West, Texas". Lots of descendents of Czech immigrants live there. I never bothered to talk religion & politics with them, but great googley moogley did I ever enjoy their food. For all I know, it might have consisted entirely of roadkill and dead hobos, but if so it was some damn tasty roadkill and dead hobos.

Generally, it's hard (but not impossible) to go wrong with a mom-n-pop eatery that has a German or Czech-sounding name in the Central Texas area.

78 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:34:09pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

It's a great site and it seems to be where all the good stuff can be found that used to be on Fark and Digg. I like the minecraft forum on reddit and trees is kinda fun too.

Because I am a huge retard, f7u12 cracks me up about 90% of the time.

IAmA on occasion, too, when the participants aren't trolls.

79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:34:58pm

re: #76 b_sharp

It seems wherever you go, people want to know if you know the same person they do from the same country. It's just a weird human thing.

Guy's sitting in a bar on Neptune. Another guys sits down beside him. They start talking, one guy says, "Where you from?" Other guy says, "Earth." First guys says, "Earth? Really? Do you know..."

80 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:35:11pm

re: #76 b_sharp

Your from planet earth? What a coincidence, me too!

81 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:39:15pm

re: #52 Killgore Trout

Hopefully I can resume my regular trips to London next year. I miss the place. Wonderful city.

We'll spend at least a day in London. Two suggestions for those visiting:

London Walks, a brilliant organization that takes you on small foot tours in various parts of town, and the West End, near Covent Garden, where unsold theater tickets are sold at half price to fill the Stages. We have seen some absolutely brilliant shows on the cheap.

82 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:39:32pm

re: #80 prononymous

So, uh, how about that warm weather we've been having?

83 TheAntichrist  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:39:44pm

Everyone in America should be forced, at gunpoint, to read this blog.

84 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:41:22pm

re: #83 TheAntichrist

Why do you think that? Please elaborate!

85 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:42:01pm

re: #84 Floral Giraffe

It's probably sarcasm. But the ding stays until confirmation.

86 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:42:04pm

re: #80 prononymous

Your from planet earth? What a coincidence, me too!

Cool. I had to leave when my glacier melted, and the wife found my stash of porn magazines.

87 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:42:39pm

re: #33 negativ

Ozzfest al-Arabiya!

Featuring the dynamic musical stylings of
Black Sabbath
Slayer
King Diamond
Iron Maiden
with special guests
Type O Negative, who reveal that the whole Pete-is-dead thing was just another troll.

That needs to happen.

Pete ain't dead, he's waiting


I think I've seen Type O four times live *_*

88 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:42:50pm

re: #84 Floral Giraffe

I think that post was pure snark.

89 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:42:54pm

re: #82 prononymous

So, uh, how about that warm weather we've been having?

I've been making a killing exporting the excess heat to Mars.

90 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:43:06pm

re: #65 avanti

The right wind blogs are losing control of the birthers again with Trumps comments. Trump was even described as Patton like in his bravery on the issue. Some moderators must have flat foreheads with all the face palms they are doing trying to turn the birther ship as it heads steaming toward the reef.

Honestly, as a leftie, I'm enjoying the show, but feel some compassion for the few sensible conservative moderators that are losing control.

Not me. You reap what you sow.

And if you plant ice, you're gonna harvest wind.

91 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:43:25pm

re: #74 Mr Pancakes

When I watch movies from the UK I activate the English subtitles.

totally necessary (and awesome) for Trainspotting

92 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:43:57pm

re: #83 TheAntichrist

Benefit of the doubt ding.

93 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:45:03pm

re: #90 austin_blue

Not me. You reap what you sow.

And if you plant ice, you're gonna harvest wind.

And if you plant beans and eat them, you're gonna harvest wind also.

94 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:45:21pm

re: #80 prononymous

Your from planet earth? What a coincidence, me too!

Mostly harmless?

95 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:45:30pm

re: #81 austin_blue

We'll spend at least a day in London. Two suggestions for those visiting:

London Walks, a brilliant organization that takes you on small foot tours in various parts of town, and the West End, near Covent Garden, where unsold theater tickets are sold at half price to fill the Stages. We have seen some absolutely brilliant shows on the cheap.

The Thames path is pretty good as an unguided walk - lots of stuff to see while on it.

I'll turn my email blue if you want to email me.

96 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:46:12pm

re: #65 avanti

The right wind blogs are losing control of the birthers again with Trumps comments. Trump was even described as Patton like in his bravery on the issue. Some moderators must have flat foreheads with all the face palms they are doing trying to turn the birther ship as it heads steaming toward the reef.

Honestly, as a leftie, I'm enjoying the show, but feel some compassion for the few sensible conservative moderators that are losing control.

Trump's purpose seems to just be riding the crazy to raise his own profile, i don't believe he cares one way or another about the birther stuff, but he knows it just lights the country on fire and everyone starts talking about DONALD FUCKING TRUMP AGAIN LIKE IT'S THE 1980S AND IVANA :(

The guy is just playing the country like a fiddle, he should run with Charlie sheen as his VP

97 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:46:21pm

re: #94 Negativ

Yes, I am mostly harmless.

98 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:46:26pm

re: #88 Bubblehead II

But then again........

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99 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:46:44pm

re: #98 Bubblehead II

But then again...

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Where's the PosiChrist?

100 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:47:36pm

re: #94 Negativ

Mostly harmless?

Humans are hired by other galactic civilizations as mercenaries to stealth destroy planetary ecologies.

101 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:48:14pm

re: #75 Varek Raith

EPA boosts radiation monitoring after low levels found in milk

FFFRRREEEAAAKKKOOOUUUTTT!
///

Remember when we bombed two japanese cities in 1945 and then all those people on the west coast died from radiation burns?

And, and remember when we were doing above-ground tests in Nevada in the late-40's/early-50's and it wiped out Denver and killed half of Chicago?

You remember that, right? Right?

102 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:48:39pm

re: #97 prononymous

Yes, I am mostly harmless.

If that is the case you may not be human.
You should get your DNA checked.

103 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:48:44pm

re: #92 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Benefit of the doubt ding.

Considering the thread below, same here.
/Takes chances.

104 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:50:27pm

re: #99 WindUpBird

Where's the PosiChrist?

Ummm wasn't he the the guy they (allegedly) crucified a couple of thousand years ago? You know, the one who is supposed to come back and make Heaven on Earth.

105 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:51:52pm

re: #95 wozzablog

The Thames path is pretty good as an unguided walk - lots of stuff to see while on it.

I'll turn my email blue if you want to email me.

Sam Smith pubs are good, Most consistent food in town comes from Waggamamas asian restaurant chain.

106 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:55:50pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

I've really come to enjoy reddit but I think LGF will probably have the same problem we had with Digg and Fark. We don't fit in politically. Reddit is full of anti-Israel hate and pro Wikileaks crap. They think Manning is a hero.
It's a great site for cool links but they're political morons.

My husband has become addicted to Reddit, but he's not interested in politics much, so they don't seem to bother him.

107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:56:09pm

re: #96 WindUpBird

A-fucking-greed.

108 TheAntichrist  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:56:23pm

re: #84 Floral Giraffe

Why do you think that? Please elaborate!

Man, when you have to explain the joke... :(

109 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:57:20pm

re: #108 TheAntichrist

Man, when you have to explain the joke... :(

I feel your pain. There, there.

110 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:57:26pm

re: #8 stevemcg

Pardon my tech igorance but how do even know they're Tunisian?

Look at the butts. Definitely Tunisians.

//How the hell should I know? They're cute.

111 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 6:59:02pm

re: #81 austin_blue

We'll spend at least a day in London. Two suggestions for those visiting:

London Walks, a brilliant organization that takes you on small foot tours in various parts of town, and the West End, near Covent Garden, where unsold theater tickets are sold at half price to fill the Stages. We have seen some absolutely brilliant shows on the cheap.

my favorite thing to do is visit the British Museum . there are always new exhibits and things I haven't noticed before. There's a great people watching spot in the Egypt wing. There are a ancient few manuscripts from bored students in scribe class depicting their teachers as hippos and crocodiles engaging in various sexual acts with each other. It's hilarious to stand at a distance and observe the reactions of people who notice. Many people just look and walk on, others will walk past, think about it and go back. Hours of entertainment for me.

112 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:00:59pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

my favorite thing to do is visit the British Museum . there are always new exhibits and things I haven't noticed before. There's a great people watching spot in the Egypt wing. There are a ancient few manuscripts from bored students in scribe class depicting their teachers as hippos and crocodiles engaging in various sexual acts with each other. It's hilarious to stand at a distance and observe the reactions of people who notice. Many people just look and walk on, others will walk past, think about it and go back. Hours of entertainment for me.

Tate Modern is tres awesome for free too. Cafe at the top floor with great views.

113 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:03:11pm

re: #83 TheAntichrist

It figures that the Anti-Christ is a White Sox fan.

114 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:03:45pm

re: #83 TheAntichrist

Everyone in America should be forced, at gunpoint, to read this blog.

Holy shit. Why didn't any of you guys tell me that Tom Araya was posting comments here?
/

115 TheAntichrist  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:03:57pm

re: #105 wozzablog

Sam Smith pubs are good, Most consistent food in town comes from Waggamamas asian restaurant chain.

I've never been to a Sam Smith's pub, but I will tell you after a Grateful Dead show back in the early 90s the first thing I'd do was seek out someone seling the Sam Smith's oatmeal stout, in the big bottle. That beer is awesome...

116 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:05:50pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

my favorite thing to do is visit the British Museum . there are always new exhibits and things I haven't noticed before. There's a great people watching spot in the Egypt wing. There are a ancient few manuscripts from bored students in scribe class depicting their teachers as hippos and crocodiles engaging in various sexual acts with each other. It's hilarious to stand at a distance and observe the reactions of people who notice. Many people just look and walk on, others will walk past, think about it and go back. Hours of entertainment for me.

...and it's free admission. OMG socialism!

117 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:06:32pm

re: #116 Killgore Trout

...and it's free admission. OMG socialism!

socialism is evil - but use your local libraries to educate yourselves!

118 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:06:51pm

re: #116 Killgore Trout

...and it's free admission. OMG socialism!

and the london mayor is a Tory :p

119 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:07:26pm

re: #99 WindUpBird

Where's the PosiChrist?

Seated at the right hand of the Father, IIRC.

120 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:08:14pm

re: #116 Killgore Trout

...and it's free admission. OMG socialism!

It is the cradle of socialism:

The Reading Room opened on 2 May 1857. Between 8–16 May, the library was opened up for a special one-off public viewing. Over 62,000 visitors came to marvel at the new building.

Those wanting to use it had to apply in writing and were issued a reader’s ticket by the Principal Librarian. Among those granted tickets were: Karl Marx, Lenin (who signed in under the name Jacob Richter)

[Link: www.britishmuseum.org...]

121 TheAntichrist  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:08:40pm

re: #113 Alouette

It figures that the Anti-Christ is a White Sox fan.

Unfortunately my father, Satan, is a Yankees fan (obviously) but he throws us a bone every 80 years or so.

122 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:09:11pm

re: #95 wozzablog

The Thames path is pretty good as an unguided walk - lots of stuff to see while on it.

I'll turn my email blue if you want to email me.

I'll send you a note tomorrow!

123 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:11:11pm

re: #105 wozzablog

Sam Smith pubs are good, Most consistent food in town comes from Waggamamas asian restaurant chain.

I much prefer free houses. Better selection.

124 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:11:39pm

re: #104 Bubblehead II

Ummm wasn't he the the guy they (allegedly) crucified a couple of thousand years ago? You know, the one who is supposed to come back and make Heaven on Earth.

And spawned a whole line of jewelry and wall art?

125 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:14:06pm

re: #123 austin_blue

I much prefer free houses. Better selection.

The Sam Smith places are all their own product - but it's a cut above.

I'm loathed to direct you to a Wetherspoon pub, but they often have a good choice of UK regional and world beers.

There are not that many good true old style freehouses left in central london. Most of the pubs serve the same few horrid lagers and palid bitters.

126 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:14:29pm

re: #122 austin_blue

I'll send you a note tomorrow!

Looking forward to hearing :)

127 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:15:03pm

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

Seated at the right hand of the Father, IIRC.

Nah, I think WUB is thinking of the one that wrenches on cars.

128 ozbloke  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:15:42pm

Crews 'facing 100-year battle' at Fukushima

The warning came as levels of radioactive iodine flushed into the sea near the plant spiked to a new high and the Wall Street Journal said it had obtained disaster response blueprints which said the plant's operators were woefully unprepared for the scale of the disaster.

Water is still being poured into the damaged reactors to cool melting fuel rods.

But one expert says the radiation leaks will be ongoing and it could take 50 to 100 years before the nuclear fuel rods have completely cooled and been removed.

"As the water leaks out, you keep on pouring water in, so this leak will go on for ever," said Dr John Price, a former member of the Safety Policy Unit at the UK's National Nuclear Corporation.

"There has to be some way of dealing with it. The water is connecting in tunnels and concrete-lined pits at the moment and the question is whether they can pump it back.

"The final thing is that the reactors will have to be closed and the fuel removed, and that is 50 to 100 years away.

More...

129 austin_blue  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:17:06pm

re: #125 wozzablog

The Sam Smith places are all their own product - but it's a cut above.

I'm loathed to direct you to a Wetherspoon pub, but they often have a good choice of UK regional and world beers.

There are not that many good true old style freehouses left in central london. Most of the pubs serve the same few horrid lagers and palid bitters.

Well, there are a few places like The George, just south of London Bridge. You can get Green King's Abbot's there. Yummm..

130 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:20:44pm

re: #129 austin_blue

Well, there are a few places like The George, just south of London Bridge. You can get Green King's Abbot's there. Yummm..

The Captains Cabin at the back of piccadilly circus is a place i quite like - and you can often get a table on a weeknight.

131 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:20:44pm

re: #128 ozbloke

100 years?!?! Then there is going to be a Zone of Exclusion then? Wow. Level 7 incident.

132 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:21:24pm

re: #128 ozbloke

This will be a real boon for robot technology.

133 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:21:36pm

re: #127 Slumbering Behemoth

Nah, I think WUB is thinking of the one that wrenches on cars.

I remember when Ministry was just an 80's techno band.

134 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:23:16pm

re: #133 Mr Pancakes

Gawd you're old.
:P

135 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:23:23pm

re: #130 wozzablog

The Captains Cabin at the back of piccadilly circus is a place i quite like - and you can often get a table on a weeknight.

and a little off the tourist trail - [Link: www.thecharleslambpub.com...] just behind angel, islington.

136 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:24:31pm

re: #134 Slumbering Behemoth

Gawd you're old.
:P

No kiddin' In fact I typed that and then took it out.

137 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:26:27pm

re: #125 wozzablog

The Sam Smith places are all their own product - but it's a cut above.

I'm loathed to direct you to a Wetherspoon pub, but they often have a good choice of UK regional and world beers.

There are not that many good true old style freehouses left in central london. Most of the pubs serve the same few horrid lagers and palid bitters.

there's a good reason that john smith ale is not exported to the united states

138 ozbloke  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:27:09pm

re: #132 Naso Tang

This will be a real boon for robot technology.

Fortunately robots don't have families to bring up.
I fear this will have serious effects on the people of Japan for a long time to come.

139 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:28:40pm

re: #136 Mr Pancakes

I was still playing with Transformers or something back in '83, though I had already developed a taste for the greatest threat to the free world.

140 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:32:06pm

re: #133 Mr Pancakes

I remember when Ministry was just an 80's techno band.

Every day is Halloween

BUT THEN, EVENTUALLY

However, I prefer(red) Skinny Puppy

141 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:32:34pm

re: #139 Slumbering Behemoth

I was still playing with Transformers or something back in '83, though I had already developed a taste for the greatest threat to the free world.

I bought the first Black Sabbath LP (Black Sabbath) on the day it was released for $3.10 and then ate some orange sunburst acid. It wasn't long before I became all-knowing.

142 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:34:13pm

re: #137 engineer dog

there's a good reason that john smith ale is not exported to the united states

I don't find it actively unpleasent which is about the highest compliment i can pay it, but unfortunately it's my go to draught beer when the only alternatives are carling/carlsberg/fosters/etc

Sam Smiths are pretty darn good though. It's the only English lager i can drink without wanting to reflexively vomit, and their bitters are lovely too.

143 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:34:45pm

re: #140 negativ

Every day is Halloween

BUT THEN, EVENTUALLY

[Video]

I own Filth Pig...... I love their version of Lay Lady Lay..... even though it took me multiple listens to figure out it was actually the Bob Dylan song.

144 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:36:17pm

re: #141 Mr Pancakes

I found a long forgotten copy of "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" in my mom's album collection when I was ten. It was all downhill from there.

I believe all Americans sould be forced -- forced at gunpoint no less -- to listen to every old-school Black Sabbath album.

145 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:37:12pm

re: #144 Slumbering Behemoth

Sarc implied. Don't panic all at once.

146 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:37:39pm

OT: GAhh...I'm a bit conflicted.

So my nephew got a DUI and now in order to get his license back he has to pay the state $533.00 just for the license fee. He also has to have a "primary vehicle" with a breathalyzer interlock installed for the first six months, and carry SR-77 insurance.

It already cost me close to $3000.00 to pay for his bail and court fees/probation meeting fees/alcohol abuse classes/drivers education class.

His parents were already straining to make ends meet week to week so I helped, who else was going to? Now due to a judgement against them his parents are pretty much screwed on even being able to keep themselves afloat financially.

Anyway...the conflict is as follows:
1. he needs a car.
2. it needs a breathalyzer.
3. it needs insurance.
4. it needs monthly breathalyzer recalibrations and log downloads.
5. This is all going to be rather expensive.
6. The kid gets a DUI so I buy him a car (and insure it) to reward him?
7. If I don't how many years will it be till he can possibly afford to do this on his own?

Sigh...still just thinking about it...

147 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:38:29pm

re: #145 Slumbering Behemoth

Sarc implied. Don't panic all at once.



Panic.

148 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:39:01pm

re: #144 Slumbering Behemoth

I found a long forgotten copy of "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" in my mom's album collection when I was ten. It was all downhill from there.

I believe all Americans sould be forced -- forced at gunpoint no less -- to listen to every old-school Black Sabbath album.

Right on my bother...... I'll hold them down for you.

149 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:39:42pm

re: #144 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. Top comment at that link:

"Tony Iommis finger tips are made out of fucking soap bottles. if thats not metal I dont know what is".

Word!

150 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:40:08pm

re: #145 Slumbering Behemoth

Sarc implied. Don't panic all at once.

Sometimes you feel like a sarc tag....... sometimes you don't.

151 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:40:29pm

re: #146 ausador

OT: GAhh...I'm a bit conflicted.

So my nephew got a DUI and now in order to get his license back he has to pay the state $533.00 just for the license fee. He also has to have a "primary vehicle" with a breathalyzer interlock installed for the first six months, and carry SR-77 insurance.

It already cost me close to $3000.00 to pay for his bail and court fees/probation meeting fees/alcohol abuse classes/drivers education class.

His parents were already straining to make ends meet week to week so I helped, who else was going to? Now due to a judgement against them his parents are pretty much screwed on even being able to keep themselves afloat financially.

Anyway...the conflict is as follows:
1. he needs a car.
2. it needs a breathalyzer.
3. it needs insurance.
4. it needs monthly breathalyzer recalibrations and log downloads.
5. This is all going to be rather expensive.
6. The kid gets a DUI so I buy him a car (and insure it) to reward him?
7. If I don't how many years will it be till he can possibly afford to do this on his own?

Sigh...still just thinking about it...


Tough call but I say fuck him. Tough love may serve him well in the future.

152 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:40:35pm

re: #146 ausador

Sometimes it takes hurt to have a "learning experience".
Maybe he needs to do this on his own?
Pain makes for a great educator.
Don't be an enabler.
It'll hurt you for now, but be MUCH better for him in the long run.
Hang in there!

153 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:41:06pm

re: #144 Slumbering Behemoth

I found a long forgotten copy of "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" in my mom's album collection when I was ten. It was all downhill from there.

I believe all Americans sould be forced -- forced at gunpoint no less -- to listen to every old-school Black Sabbath album.

I'd rather another listen to "Heaven and Hell" instead. For Ozzy, I'll take the all too short Randy Rhodes materials instead.

154 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:41:24pm

re: #146 ausador

OT: GAhh...I'm a bit conflicted.

So my nephew got a DUI and now in order to get his license back he has to pay the state $533.00 just for the license fee. He also has to have a "primary vehicle" with a breathalyzer interlock installed for the first six months, and carry SR-77 insurance.

It already cost me close to $3000.00 to pay for his bail and court fees/probation meeting fees/alcohol abuse classes/drivers education class.

His parents were already straining to make ends meet week to week so I helped, who else was going to? Now due to a judgement against them his parents are pretty much screwed on even being able to keep themselves afloat financially.

Anyway...the conflict is as follows:
1. he needs a car.
2. it needs a breathalyzer.
3. it needs insurance.
4. it needs monthly breathalyzer recalibrations and log downloads.
5. This is all going to be rather expensive.
6. The kid gets a DUI so I buy him a car (and insure it) to reward him?
7. If I don't how many years will it be till he can possibly afford to do this on his own?

Sigh...still just thinking about it...

It's admirable you do so much for your family and I would be the last one to suggest you not do so, but when is it going to be time to take care of ausador?

155 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:42:15pm

re: #144 Slumbering Behemoth

I found a long forgotten copy of "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" in my mom's album collection when I was ten. It was all downhill from there.

I believe all Americans sould be forced -- forced at gunpoint no less -- to listen to every old-school Black Sabbath album.

The hair is standing up on my arms listening to that....... maybe I'll get a flashback with any luck.

156 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:42:35pm

re: #128 ozbloke

Great link. But I doubt this will take 50 years. The Japanese will find ways. I would guess ten years tops. The article presumes people with exiting technology only. What we have now is a great need of the kind the industrious nations can rise to. Robots, new technology, real permanent storage (finally) etc. Call me an optimist.

157 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:42:51pm

re: #154 b_sharp

It's admirable you do so much for your family and I would be the last one to suggest you not do so, but when is it going to be time to take care of ausador?

God bless you!
Ausador, are you hearing this?
I heard it from LVQ. It's hard to get out of the habit, but I'm trying.

158 ozbloke  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:43:24pm

re: #146 ausador

OT: GAhh...I'm a bit conflicted.

So my nephew got a DUI and now in order to get his license back he has to pay the state $533.00 just for the license fee. He also has to have a "primary vehicle" with a breathalyzer interlock installed for the first six months, and carry SR-77 insurance.

It already cost me close to $3000.00 to pay for his bail and court fees/probation meeting fees/alcohol abuse classes/drivers education class.

His parents were already straining to make ends meet week to week so I helped, who else was going to? Now due to a judgement against them his parents are pretty much screwed on even being able to keep themselves afloat financially.

Anyway...the conflict is as follows:
1. he needs a car.
2. it needs a breathalyzer.
3. it needs insurance.
4. it needs monthly breathalyzer recalibrations and log downloads.
5. This is all going to be rather expensive.
6. The kid gets a DUI so I buy him a car (and insure it) to reward him?
7. If I don't how many years will it be till he can possibly afford to do this on his own?

Sigh...still just thinking about it...

You need to give to him.

I suggest a timetable for public transport would be a good start.

159 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:43:40pm

re: #155 Mr Pancakes

The hair is standing up on my arms listening to that... maybe I'll get a flashback with any luck.

Flashbacks only occur at the worst possible time, never when you want one.

160 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:43:52pm

re: #153 wlewisiii

I'd rather another listen to "Heaven and Hell" instead. For Ozzy, I'll take the all too short Randy Rhodes materials instead.

Certainly a well respected Black Sabbath album........ I jumped ship when Dio arrived.

161 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:44:24pm

re: #146 ausador

OT: GAhh...I'm a bit conflicted.

Why does he need a car? Bus, taxi, bicycle, his own two feet. Sorry, you've already enough for him x 3k.

162 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:44:40pm

re: #146 ausador

I'm with Kilgore on this. DUIs are serious fucking business, and he's damn lucky he didn't get anyone killed. He should think about that while hoofing it 'til he can resolve this himself.

163 ozbloke  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:44:43pm

re: #156 Rightwingconspirator

Great link. But I doubt this will take 50 years. The Japanese will find ways. I would guess ten years tops. The article presumes people with exiting technology only. What we have now is a great need of the kind the industrious nations can rise to. Robots, new technology, real permanent storage (finally) etc. Call me an optimist.

Your an optimist.
G-d I hope your right.

164 ozbloke  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:46:07pm

re: #162 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm with Kilgore on this. DUIs are serious fucking business, and he's damn lucky he didn't get anyone killed. He should think about that while hoofing it 'til he can resolve this himself.

/ He could move to Montana, I hear they have some upcoming legislation...

165 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:46:59pm

re: #146 ausador

I don't like people who drive while drunk. It's like firing randomly into the air.

Get him a bike.

166 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:47:19pm

re: #146 ausador

You're a good guy, but he needs to feel his own mistake.

(Full confessions here: I watched my parents have to learn what you are learning with not one but two siblings who were drug addicts.)*

*We don't do anything halfway in my family. When my siblings rebel, they REBEL.

167 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:47:44pm

re: #146 ausador

He has to learn to stand responsibility for his actions.
You can't always "be there" for him.
He has some growing up to do.
It should be as positive, as you can make it.
HE has to do the work, or he won't learn the lesson.

I hope this helps!

168 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:48:06pm

re: #163 ozbloke

Your an optimist.
G-d I hope your right.

Necessity has been called the mother of invention for a reason. It's only when we're backed into a corner we create a revolution, in modern times that has been technology.

169 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:48:07pm

re: #146 ausador

OT: GAhh...I'm a bit conflicted.

So my nephew got a DUI and now in order to get his license back he has to pay the state $533.00 just for the license fee. He also has to have a "primary vehicle" with a breathalyzer interlock installed for the first six months, and carry SR-77 insurance.

It already cost me close to $3000.00 to pay for his bail and court fees/probation meeting fees/alcohol abuse classes/drivers education class.

His parents were already straining to make ends meet week to week so I helped, who else was going to? Now due to a judgement against them his parents are pretty much screwed on even being able to keep themselves afloat financially.

Anyway...the conflict is as follows:
1. he needs a car.
2. it needs a breathalyzer.
3. it needs insurance.
4. it needs monthly breathalyzer recalibrations and log downloads.
5. This is all going to be rather expensive.
6. The kid gets a DUI so I buy him a car (and insure it) to reward him?
7. If I don't how many years will it be till he can possibly afford to do this on his own?

Sigh...still just thinking about it...

He gets off easy if you do this for him. Trouble ahead, guaranteed.

170 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:49:08pm

re: #159 b_sharp

Flashbacks only occur at the worst possible time, never when you want one.

I dunno .... I've been waiting about 40 years for one.

171 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:49:09pm

re: #169 Stanley Sea

He gets off easy if you do this for him. Trouble ahead, guaranteed.

The more trouble ahead, the sooner he learns!
Hard lessons are good teachers!

(*waves*)

172 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:51:00pm

re: #171 Floral Giraffe

When people are determined to fuck up their own life, there's often very little you can do except get out of the way.

173 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:51:15pm

re: #144 Slumbering Behemoth

I found a long forgotten copy of "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" in my mom's album collection when I was ten. It was all downhill from there.

I believe all Americans sould be forced -- forced at gunpoint no less -- to listen to every old-school Black Sabbath album.

"Son/Daughter, witness some stoners from Birmingham inventing a musical idiom that would eventually come to be known as 'heavy metal'"

Of course, that probably sounds like crusty old-person music to The Kids These Days, who then go off and read interviews with Justin Bieber wherein he says he thinks he's the Kurt Cobain of his generation.

174 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:51:39pm

re: #160 Mr Pancakes

Certainly a well respected Black Sabbath album... I jumped ship when Dio arrived.

I liked the Dio era Sabbath. Their sound certainly changed a bit with his arrival, but it's still cool stuff. Definitely prefer the Ozzy era, though.

175 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:51:48pm

re: #170 Mr Pancakes

I dunno ... I've been waiting about 40 years for one.

I've had two, one while driving a car, the other while talking to my dad. Neither lasted more than about 15 or 20 seconds, but freaked me out big time. The last acid I dropped was in '74.

176 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:53:20pm

re: #172 Obdicut

When people are determined to fuck up their own life, there's often very little you can do except get out of the way.

That's so very true.

177 Girth  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:53:47pm

re: #173 negativ

Of course, that probably sounds like crusty old-person music to The Kids These Days, who then go off and read interviews with Justin Bieber wherein he says he thinks he's the Kurt Cobain of his generation.

I was willing to ignore that kid. Now he might have to have an accident.

178 ozbloke  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:53:50pm

re: #168 b_sharp

Necessity has been called the mother of invention for a reason. It's only when we're backed into a corner we create a revolution, in modern times that has been technology.

I admire that, and to a degree I understand it.

If it were the wheel, or a toaster who would care, but what effect will years of leakage bring?

In that article it says:
"Both experts agree capping the damaged reactors with concrete is not an option."

I don't understand that, any views, as this is what was done in Chernobyl.
I thought that capping it was going to be what they ended up doing, if thats off the table, what is the solution?

179 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:54:24pm

re: #173 negativ

"Son/Daughter, witness some stoners from Birmingham inventing a musical idiom that would eventually come to be known as 'heavy metal'"

[Video]Of course, that probably sounds like crusty old-person music to The Kids These Days, who then go off and read interviews with Justin Bieber wherein he says he thinks he's the Kurt Cobain of his generation.

As a perfume fan, I am familiar with this. Kids These Days smell outrageously daring and beautiful perfumes of an earlier age...Shalimar, Chanel No. 22, Coty Chypre...and murmur "eau de old lady at church".

180 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:54:26pm

re: #174 Slumbering Behemoth

I liked the Dio era Sabbath. Their sound certainly changed a bit with his arrival, but it's still cool stuff. Definitely prefer the Ozzy era, though.

I guess it was a Dio thing with me........ I liked Rainbow better after he left.

181 Girth  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:54:42pm

re: #177 Girth

Quote fail.

182 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:55:37pm

re: #177 Girth

Of course, that probably sounds like crusty old-person music to The Kids These Days, who then go off and read interviews with Justin Bieber wherein he says he thinks he's the Kurt Cobain of his generation.

I was willing to ignore that kid. Now he might have to have an accident.

dude

183 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:56:04pm

Hey Flo Girl! Hope you are having a great night.

I've got the cold. 2nd time around. Living with sick peeps in this house, then going to hang out with sick peeps at the office.

Oh, and my backspace just died on my barely hanging on laptop. :)

184 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:56:57pm

re: #174 Slumbering Behemoth

I liked the Dio era Sabbath. Their sound certainly changed a bit with his arrival, but it's still cool stuff. Definitely prefer the Ozzy era, though.

185 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:57:14pm

re: #165 Obdicut

I've been a pretty stubborn SOB in my life, having to learn things the hard way quite often. When it comes to drunk driving, that's one lesson I was able to learn from the mistakes of others.

186 webevintage  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:58:06pm

re: #146 ausador

OT: GAhh...I'm a bit conflicted.


How old is he?
Does he need a car to get to work and/or school?
(where we live there is no public transportation so you need to be able to drive or ride with someone to go anywhere)
Can a schedule be worked out where he can get rides to where he needs to go instead of driving himself or to the closest public transportation?

BTW, it really is kind of you to be willing to help out your family....

187 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:58:51pm

re: #146 ausador

OT: GAhh...I'm a bit conflicted.

You are being too nice about it. Unless there is some reallllllllllllly good reason he needs a car where he lives, I'd say you shouldn't give him one. It'd basically be rewarding bad behavior.

He can pedal a bike to work at whatever job he can get, save up and pay you back, and then buy his own car. The most I'd buy him after bailing out a DUI would be a bus pass.

188 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:59:38pm

wow

thedeadhandbook David E. Hoffman

These are amazing photos. RT @plutoniumpage: Crystal-clear, high-res images of the Fukushima #nuclear complex: [Link: bit.ly...]

189 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:59:52pm

re: #186 webevintage

How old is he?
Does he need a car to get to work and/or school?
(where we live there is no public transportation so you need to be able to drive or ride with someone to go anywhere)
Can a schedule be worked out where he can get rides to where he needs to go instead of driving himself or to the closest public transportation?

BTW, it really is kind of you to be willing to help out your family...

I'M not sure bailing out is akin to helping out.

190 webevintage  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:01:05pm

BTW....

UTERUS UTERUS UTERUS UTERUS UTERUS
I hope I did not scar anyone.....

[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

191 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:01:07pm

re: #178 ozbloke

I admire that, and to a degree I understand it.

If it were the wheel, or a toaster who would care, but what effect will years of leakage bring?

In that article it says:
"Both experts agree capping the damaged reactors with concrete is not an option."

I don't understand that, any views, as this is what was done in Chernobyl.
I thought that capping it was going to be what they ended up doing, if thats off the table, what is the solution?

I thought they were contemplating a synthetic covering.

This is serious shit, no doubt about it, and it may be several years, if not decades, before anything satisfactory is done about it, but our technology is beyond what we had with Chernobyl, so we should be in a better situation now than then.

We have to at least try to find a technological solution.

192 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:01:21pm

re: #180 Mr Pancakes

He had a good metal voice, but the majority of his lyrics were soaked in that "high fantasy" crap that your average metal head just isn't into.

193 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:01:22pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

See if you can find "Gendarme" if you're a perfume fan.
Clean, nice, fragrance. I think you'd like it.

194 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:01:37pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

As a perfume fan, I am familiar with this. Kids These Days smell outrageously daring and beautiful perfumes of an earlier age...Shalimar, Chanel No. 22, Coty Chypre...and murmur "eau de old lady at church".

[un]fortunately, I'm not comfortable analytically snorting the individual aromas of kids.

195 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:02:14pm

re: #183 Stanley Sea

*smooch*
Bummer on the cold & the sick peeps.

196 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:02:26pm

re: #189 Mr Pancakes

I'M not sure bailing out is akin to helping out.

Well, basically, plus, he was helping with expenses before this happened.

@ausador, I think that it has to come down to whether you can actually afford this, how penitent you think the kid is, how old he is, and whether he can manage on a bike or the bus.

Balance those out, and I think you'll have an answer.

197 ozbloke  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:04:11pm

re: #191 b_sharp

I thought they were contemplating a synthetic covering.

This is serious shit, no doubt about it, and it may be several years, if not decades, before anything satisfactory is done about it, but our technology is beyond what we had with Chernobyl, so we should be in a better situation now than then.

We have to at least try to find a technological solution.

I'm guessing to that the tunnels leading to the ocean are going to be an issue if this goes on a long time.

Honestly, I thought burying them was our technological solution.

198 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:04:14pm

re: #190 webevintage

BTW...

UTERUS UTERUS UTERUS UTERUS UTERUS
I hope I did not scar anyone...

[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

I posted that article to Facebook. I now have about six very respectable women, soccer moms, lawyers, a college kid who wears hijab and the like, all experimentally posting "UTERUS!!" "VAGINA!!" "VAS DEFERENS!" and the like to my Facebook page, and giggling about how bad they are.

199 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:05:06pm

re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist

I posted that article to Facebook. I now have about six very respectable women, soccer moms, lawyers, a college kid who wears hijab and the like, all experimentally posting "UTERUS!!" "VAGINA!!" "VAS DEFERENS!" and the like to my Facebook page, and giggling about how bad they are.

LOL!
They are bad!
Bad to the, uh, bone?

200 webevintage  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:05:21pm

re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist


Balance those out, and I think you'll have an answer.

What she said.

201 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:05:21pm

DUI is incredibly serious - we are not talking about a parking violation here.

I agree with the sentiment that unless it is vital for terms of getting to a job and even then all other routes will have to have been exhausted - get the kid a bike or a bus pass.

202 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:06:25pm

re: #201 wozzablog

DUI is evidence of a lack of respect for oneself and of others.
It is very serious.

203 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:06:49pm

re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist

I doubt that many of the panty wadded ninnies in congress know what a vas deferens is, so that one is probably pretty safe.

204 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:07:46pm

re: #178 ozbloke

Perhaps the opposite of a cap. They need a new eon after eon durable floor. The air is one thing to protect. The groundwater and sea is another. They may need to put a perfect concrete/lead/airtight floor under the whole mess. Or move the whole damn core to Yucca Mountain or some equivalent.

205 Girth  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:08:01pm

re: #190 webevintage

BTW...

UTERUS UTERUS UTERUS UTERUS UTERUS
I hope I did not scar anyone...

[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

I think that if I were in that situation I would ask once, "Seriously, you're offended by the mention of the word 'uterus'?"

I would then launch into the most foul rendition of The Aristocrats that I could manage.

206 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:08:54pm

re: #205 Girth

I think that if I were in that situation I would ask once, "Seriously, you're offended by the mention of the word 'uterus'?"

I would then launch into the most foul rendition of The Aristocrats that I could manage.

Mammary Gland. Fallopian tube.

207 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:09:54pm

re: #201 wozzablog

DUI is incredibly serious - we are not talking about a parking violation here.

I agree with the sentiment that unless it is vital for terms of getting to a job and even then all other routes will have to have been exhausted - get the kid a bike or a bus pass.

I'm even dubious that in this job market an employer would look twice at someone with a DUI who needs a car to get to work.

208 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:10:11pm

re: #206 EmmmieG

Mammary Gland. Fallopian tube.

HUT! HUT!

209 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:10:24pm

re: #199 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
They are bad!
Bad to the, uh, bone?

Good one, you beat me to it.

BTW, my wife's jewellery store is going to be called 'Bead to the Bone'.

210 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:10:51pm

re: #202 Floral Giraffe

DUI is evidence of a lack of respect for oneself and of others.
It is very serious.

Yep..... I must admit that as a youngin' (many many years ago) I didn't care. I have a screw through my knee to testify to my stupidity...... One cool thing though, I can predict the weather!

Motorcycles and Mad Dog 20/20 do not mix.

211 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:12:00pm

re: #205 Girth

They hate science, so I guess it's not much of a stretch for them hate proper scientific terms.

212 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:12:34pm

re: #211 Slumbering Behemoth

They hate science, so I guess it's not much of a stretch for them hate proper scientific terms.

They're all pussies.

213 Girth  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:12:41pm

re: #205 Girth

I think that if I were in that situation I would ask once, "Seriously, you're offended by the mention of the word 'uterus'?"

I would then launch into the most foul rendition of The Aristocrats that I could manage.

Or get an anatomy textbook and seek clarification on what are good body parts and which are the unmentionables.

214 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:13:21pm

Okies peeps. I can't wait for this malware scan to finish any longer, been up whomever alone knows how long already today and workmen starting in the house in less than 5 hours.

G'night all.

215 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:13:41pm

re: #212 b_sharp

Sir, the proper term is "vagina". Say it with me... Va-Gi-Na.

216 ozbloke  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:13:44pm

re: #204 Rightwingconspirator

Perhaps the opposite of a cap. They need a new eon after eon durable floor. The air is one thing to protect. The groundwater and sea is another. They may need to put a perfect concrete/lead/airtight floor under the whole mess. Or move the whole damn core to Yucca Mountain or some equivalent.

I struggle to see how it could be moved and kept cool at the same time, not for many years at least.

It would seem that they will shut that plant, however the loss of that plant for electricity generation to Japan will have significant effects on manufacturing and therefore their economy.

They are also expecting a greater requirement of electrical generation in June / July because of whether.

I like optimism, but reality sometimes sucks.
,

217 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:14:59pm

re: #213 Girth

Or get an anatomy textbook and seek clarification on what are good body parts and which are the unmentionables.

Anything that can turn a good good fearing kid into a raging sexual pervert is unacceptable.

Phalanges is one of the worst.

218 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:15:26pm

I can understand vulgar slang terms being offensive, but really, proper medical terms?

219 ozbloke  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:15:28pm

re: #216 ozbloke

PIMF: s/whether/weather/

220 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:16:16pm

re: #214 wozzablog

Okies peeps. I can't wait for this malware scan to finish any longer, been up whomever alone knows how long already today and workmen starting in the house in less than 5 hours.

G'night all.

Get some sleep.

221 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:16:31pm

Which reminds me, I must remember that I should refer to the limbs of a table, not the legs.

Too suggestive, otherwise.

(Or, as Abigail would have said, the leggs of the table.)

222 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:16:43pm

Seriously. Are we gonna start seeing written legislation containing terms like "Hoo-Hoo Diddle" and "Va-Jay Jay"?

223 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:17:13pm

re: #146 ausador

My nic is blue, if you want someone to email with.
Maybe talk to.

224 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:18:28pm

re: #221 EmmmieG

OMG, we're going back to the Victorian age, when things like "legs" are verboten out loud. Between "gentlemen the words were OK."
GAH

225 Obdicut  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:18:34pm

re: #222 Slumbering Behemoth

Seriously. Are we gonna start seeing written legislation containing terms like "Hoo-Hoo Diddle" and "Va-Jay Jay"?

Patton Oswalt has a good bit on this:

Warning: This is incredibly not safe for work. Incredibly.

226 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:18:43pm

re: #217 b_sharp

Anything that can turn a good good fearing kid into a raging sexual pervert is unacceptable.

Phalanges is one of the worst.

Badfinger?

227 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:19:11pm

re: #5 Killgore Trout

I'm having a happy spring day because we had a few hours of something resembling daylight and only minor rain today. I also found one of my frogs! he was hiding in a lavender bush and seemed quite healthy and happy.

Just watch out for the Bullfrogs:

228 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:19:25pm

re: #205 Girth

I think that if I were in that situation I would ask once, "Seriously, you're offended by the mention of the word 'uterus'?"

I would then launch into the most foul rendition of The Aristocrats that I could manage.

a nobile pursuit if ever there was one.

229 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:20:29pm

re: #221 EmmmieG

Heh. I recall a conversation I had with a certain relative of the fundie persuasion. The topic of discussion regarded how the number one concern among Americans ~100 years ago was food purity.

I guess I used the term "unmolested" to refer to pure foods one to many times, because I got a very frustrated "Stop using that word!" spit at me.

230 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:21:14pm

re: #154 b_sharp

It's admirable you do so much for your family and I would be the last one to suggest you not do so, but when is it going to be time to take care of ausador?

I am, I go see the lawyer again tomorrow about the estate, worst case I figure I'll eventually walk away with about $60-65,000 as my share after we satisfy the medical bills. Even if I end up with less it will still be enough to reimburse me for anything I have spent helping out on legal fees or DUI's or estate maintenance...

In the meantime I have a small solid black cat who "talks" constantly, plays goofily, frisks about chasing imaginary fiends, and contributes vastly to my sanity. :)

231 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:21:57pm

re: #224 Floral Giraffe

OMG, we're going back to the Victorian age, when things like "legs" are verboten out loud. Between "gentlemen the words were OK."
GAH

Queen Victoria had a lady in waiting who began to bulge supiciously. The woman absolutely denied she was pregnant. She agreed to an examination by a doctor. With her clothes on.

Tragically, she was correct. It was a tumor, not a baby, and she died somewhat later.

232 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:23:24pm

re: #213 Girth

Or get an anatomy textbook and seek clarification on what are good body parts and which are the unmentionables.

"Kneecaps, Mr. Speaker. Is it acceptable for me to mention kneecaps on the floor of the House?"

233 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:24:33pm

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

Just watch out for the Bullfrogs:

[Video]

Bach cello suite #1 doesn't give a shit!

234 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:24:42pm

re: #232 SanFranciscoZionist

"Kneecaps, Mr. Speaker. Is it acceptable for me to mention kneecaps on the floor of the House?"

No. Too close to the thigh. Try mentioning the patella instead.

235 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:25:15pm

Today was stressful, but it ended well. I got the big sale I was hoping for at work. Got me a big commission and it means keeps me out of the doghouse at work. So it turned out to be a great day.

236 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:25:49pm

re: #230 ausador

I am, I go see the lawyer again tomorrow about the estate, worst case I figure I'll eventually walk away with about $60-65,000 as my share after we satisfy the medical bills. Even if I end up with less it will still be enough to reimburse me for anything I have spent helping out on legal fees or DUI's or estate maintenance...

In the meantime I have a small solid black cat who "talks" constantly, plays goofily, frisks about chasing imaginary fiends, and contributes vastly to my sanity. :)

Friends are important. I had a little, rather neotenous, solid black cat companion for 16 years. She was my bud.

I'm glad you have a playmate.

237 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:26:09pm

re: #232 SanFranciscoZionist

"Kneecaps, Mr. Speaker. Is it acceptable for me to mention kneecaps on the floor of the House?"

Only if you are willing to put on knee-pads.

238 ozbloke  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:26:29pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

Today was stressful, but it ended well. I got the big sale I was hoping for at work. Got me a big commission and it means keeps me out of the doghouse at work. So it turned out to be a great day.

Good on you Dark.

239 jaunte  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:26:56pm

re: #205 Girth

Republicans voiced concern about young pages hearing the word uterus.


The Bermuda Triangle must be warping time back to the 50's again.

240 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:27:02pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

Today was stressful, but it ended well. I got the big sale I was hoping for at work. Got me a big commission and it means keeps me out of the doghouse at work. So it turned out to be a great day.

Good to hear D_F. :)

241 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:27:46pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

Huzzah! Since I know you don't partake, I will consume a double helping of cheap beer in your honor tonight in celebration.

242 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:28:19pm

re: #232 SanFranciscoZionist

"Kneecaps, Mr. Speaker. Is it acceptable for me to mention kneecaps on the floor of the House?"

Yes, but don't go any higher!
LOL!

243 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:28:46pm

re: #239 jaunte

The Bermuda Triangle must be warping time back to the 50's again.

The 1750s, it would seem.

244 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:28:47pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

Today was stressful, but it ended well. I got the big sale I was hoping for at work. Got me a big commission and it means keeps me out of the doghouse at work. So it turned out to be a great day.

WOOT!
Congratulations!

245 ozbloke  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:28:56pm

Some good news, about time.

Facebook shuts down page calling for intifada

Social networking site Facebook says it made a decision in line with its policies when it shut down a page calling for a third intifada, or uprising, against Israel.

The decision came after Israeli officials urged the site's founder Mark Zuckerberg to delete the page which had nearly 500,000 fans.

Initially members of the page called for peaceful protests over Israel's treatment of Palestinians but later comments made direct calls for violence.

Israeli public diplomacy minister Yuli Edelstein wrote to Facebook urging the page be closed on the grounds of incitement.

In its reply to Israel, Facebook said in general it is loathe to remove pages that express criticism and instead only removed posts that incite violence.

But after repeated warnings that it violated Facebook's own policies, the page was shut down.

246 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:29:07pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

Today was stressful, but it ended well. I got the big sale I was hoping for at work. Got me a big commission and it means keeps me out of the doghouse at work. So it turned out to be a great day.

Great DF........You are only as good as your last sale............ no time to rest..... tomorrow is April Fools Day.

247 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:29:42pm

re: #243 Slumbering Behemoth

The 1750s, it would seem.

The 1750's were much baudier than the 1880's.

248 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:29:51pm

Bach - Cello Suite No.1 i-Prelude


Namaste, y'all
249 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:30:10pm

Hey Dark_Falcon, I don't know if you saw it but I did a little bit of research to answer your question from last night.

Of course it isn't quite the same as a simple screw in bulb. The replacement would have to be done by an electrician, or you could do it yourself if you are handy enough. But once installed you could help save the earth, money, and US economy simultaneously. :)

250 b_sharp  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:30:10pm

If someone will lock the back door after me, I'm going to make a run for it.

Later peeps.

251 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:31:46pm

re: #250 b_sharp

If someone will lock the back door after me, I'm going to make a run for it.

Later peeps.

Is it raining, snowing, or is there gunfire? Goodnight B.

252 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:32:19pm

re: #251 Mr Pancakes

Woman with a knife, perhaps?

253 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:33:25pm

re: #249 prononymous

Hey Dark_Falcon, I don't know if you saw it but I did a little bit of research to answer your question from last night.

Of course it isn't quite the same as a simple screw in bulb. The replacement would have to be done by an electrician, or you could do it yourself if you are handy enough. But once installed you could help save the earth, money, and US economy simultaneously. :)

That's nice, but the truth is I don't blame the Chinese for making our lighting. I blame us for not being able to make the robots to do it for ourselves. //

254 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:34:25pm

re: #253 Naso Tang

That's nice, but the truth is I don't blame the Chinese for making our lighting. I blame us for not being able to make the robots to do it for ourselves. //

Actually watch the interview. The CEO has some interesting thoughts regarding this.

255 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:34:29pm

re: #249 prononymous

Hey Dark_Falcon, I don't know if you saw it but I did a little bit of research to answer your question from last night.

Of course it isn't quite the same as a simple screw in bulb. The replacement would have to be done by an electrician, or you could do it yourself if you are handy enough. But once installed you could help save the earth, money, and US economy simultaneously. :)

Interesting. Thank you for finding that.

256 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:35:54pm

re: #245 ozbloke

Some good news, about time.

Facebook shuts down page calling for intifada

Social networking site Facebook says it made a decision in line with its policies when it shut down a page calling for a third intifada, or uprising, against Israel.

The decision came after Israeli officials urged the site's founder Mark Zuckerberg to delete the page which had nearly 500,000 fans.

Initially members of the page called for peaceful protests over Israel's treatment of Palestinians but later comments made direct calls for violence.

Israeli public diplomacy minister Yuli Edelstein wrote to Facebook urging the page be closed on the grounds of incitement.

In its reply to Israel, Facebook said in general it is loathe to remove pages that express criticism and instead only removed posts that incite violence.

But after repeated warnings that it violated Facebook's own policies, the page was shut down.

I'm glad that page was taken down. Once a website crosses the line into incitement, then its being shut down is appropriate. Free Speech does not include incitement.

257 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:36:40pm

re: #253 Naso Tang

That's nice, but the truth is I don't blame the Chinese for making our lighting. I blame us for not being able to make the robots to do it for ourselves. //

They would have the same robots (built by us)..... and their handlers do it cheaper.

258 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:38:47pm

re: #249 prononymous

Cool stuff. I'm still waiting for us to enter the 21st century, though.
/

259 Cheechako  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:38:59pm

Well, I’m finally home after spending 4 months as a snowbird in the deserts of Arizona. I’d like to share some observations I had during the trip.

As I was driving on I-5 in Washington I saw some orange signs warning of an “Ecology Crew Ahead”. My immediate thought was this is really cool. The State must be out inventorying noxious weeds on the road side or maybe counting tweetie birds or something like that. About ¼ mile later I saw a stack of full white plastic bags labeled “Washington Dept. of Ecology”. It wasn’t much further when I observed 6-8 people in orange jump-suits putting roadside trash into those white trash bags. I was very disappointed but I guess I did learn where Ecologists get their training and experience.

I made a visit to Los Algodones, Mexico (near Yuma, AZ) to check out the low cost pharmacies. Yes it’s true; you can get low cost medications without a prescription in Mexico. For example, a Z-Pack (used to combat infections) cost a grand total of $3.99 for the 6 pills. My experience with Z-packs in the US is to pay $60-80 for one treatment even with insurance.

Now the funny part. I purchased 10 Z-Packs. The Pharmacy Technician (Clerk) told me that 10 treatments would be too much to take across the border. So she opened all the bottles and combined 10 bottles into 5. She said the US Border Patrol would let 5 bottles cross the border. Try that in the US.
Checking the large parking lot on the US side of the border I estimated at least 30% of the vehicles were from Canada. They were probably in Los Algodones for dental treatments. There were at least 25 dental offices within 3 blocks of the border. I was told that the cost of dental treatments in Mexico was about 25% of what they cost in the US. They also have very inexpensive optometrists and eye glasses.

I was camped out in the desert and was able to enjoy the peace and quite. I could only get wifi when I went to the laundromat. Just enough internet access to pay the bills.

260 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:39:02pm

re: #255 Dark_Falcon

Interesting. Thank you for finding that.

When you asked it was a question I felt was quite relevant to today, so I had to find out for myself as well. I only knew about them because I am planning on using some of their high power LEDs. Amazing technology. Not quite as efficient as the top Cree LEDs, but they are competitive ( easily beating most fluorescents) and they have a high wattage range that not many companies even remotely approach.

261 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:43:20pm

re: #253 Naso Tang

That's nice, but the truth is I don't blame the Chinese for making our lighting. I blame us for not being able to make the robots to do it for ourselves. //

No one is 'blaming' anyone. My father simply sees China as a strategic rival and consequentially does not wish to buy from them while they maintain a strong trade imbalance with us.

262 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:43:32pm

re: #248 Killgore Trout

Bach - Cello Suite No.1 i-Prelude

[Video]
Namaste, y'all

i got to see janos starker perform this when i was a kid

263 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:43:39pm

re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist

I posted that article to Facebook. I now have about six very respectable women, soccer moms, lawyers, a college kid who wears hijab and the like, all experimentally posting "UTERUS!!" "VAGINA!!" "VAS DEFERENS!" and the like to my Facebook page, and giggling about how bad they are.

Has anyone been brave enough for the ultimate CLITORIS?

Heh, I just uterus uterus uterus'd on twitter. What a crock of shit. Women, endangered species.

264 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:44:09pm

re: #258 Slumbering Behemoth

Cool stuff. I'm still waiting for us to enter the 21st century, though.
/

not scheduled until 2018 at the earliest

265 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:44:50pm

re: #261 Dark_Falcon

No one is 'blaming' anyone. My father simply sees China as a strategic rival and consequentially does not wish to buy from them while they maintain a strong trade imbalance with us.

IMO, it goes something like: It's not their fault we have become economically stupid.

266 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:45:43pm

re: #263 Stanley Sea

Has anyone been brave enough for the ultimate CLITORIS?

That depends. How big is it?
/

267 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:46:11pm

re: #259 Cheechako

Well, I’m finally home after spending 4 months as a snowbird in the deserts of Arizona. I’d like to share some observations I had during the trip.

I made a visit to Los Algodones, Mexico (near Yuma, AZ) to check out the low cost pharmacies. Yes it’s true; you can get low cost medications without a prescription in Mexico. For example, a Z-Pack (used to combat infections) cost a grand total of $3.99 for the 6 pills. My experience with Z-packs in the US is to pay $60-80 for one treatment even with insurance.

Now the funny part. I purchased 10 Z-Packs. The Pharmacy Technician (Clerk) told me that 10 treatments would be too much to take across the border. So she opened all the bottles and combined 10 bottles into 5. She said the US Border Patrol would let 5 bottles cross the border. Try that in the US.

Be careful when buying or bringing pharmaceuticals to the US from Mexico....... there are many horror stories to be told.

268 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:46:34pm

re: #263 Stanley Sea

LOL!
You ROCK, Lady!

269 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:46:47pm

re: #266 Slumbering Behemoth

That depends. How big is it?
/

uh, it just is.

270 Cheechako  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:47:33pm

re: #267 Mr Pancakes

I'm aware of that. These medications were made by a reputable pharmacy company.

271 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:48:17pm

re: #266 Slumbering Behemoth


Enough to be fun!

272 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:48:48pm

re: #265 prononymous

IMO, it goes something like: It's not their fault we have become economically stupid.

He'd agree with that. But he'd also add that just because others are stupid does not mean he should be. I'm not sure if he'll like the idea of needing to do the kind of work needed to support those LEDs, but he will be glad to hear that there's a US firm making them in the USA.

273 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:49:12pm

re: #270 Cheechako

I'm aware of that. These medications were made by a reputable pharmacy company.

I know..... but when you start combining stuff up to get through the line it's risky

274 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:51:25pm

re: #269 Stanley Sea

I'm just saying if it's anything like this, then no, I'm probably not brave enough.

275 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:51:47pm

re: #266 Slumbering Behemoth

That depends. How big is it?
/

As the Flower folks say, size is only 10 points!

276 Cheechako  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:52:45pm

re: #273 Mr Pancakes

I know... but when you start combining stuff up to get through the line it's risky


Each bottle contained 1 treatment of 6 pills. All the tech did was to combine 2 treatments into one bottle.

277 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:53:31pm

re: #274 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm just saying if it's anything like this, then no, I'm probably not brave enough.

Do I click? Do I click?

278 Girth  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:54:00pm

re: #274 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm just saying if it's anything like this, then no, I'm probably not brave enough.

Chef, how do you make a woman like you more than any other guy?

Oh, that's easy. You just gotta find the clitoris.

Huh?

Whoops.

279 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:54:04pm

re: #272 Dark_Falcon

He'd agree with that. But he'd also add that just because others are stupid does not mean he should be. I'm not sure if he'll like the idea of needing to do the kind of work needed to support those LEDs, but he will be glad to hear that there's a US firm making them in the USA.

I imagined the work needed to install the modules might be a turnoff. But it really isn't that hard. And once you have them installed they last a really long time.

I have no idea if they plan to make a standard screw-in module but I'll let you know when they do, if you want me to.

280 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:54:12pm

re: #277 Stanley Sea

LOL!
It;s a kids fantasy image.
Look if you like!

281 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:54:57pm

re: #216 ozbloke

I struggle to see how it could be moved and kept cool at the same time, not for many years at least.
It would seem that they will shut that plant, however the loss of that plant for electricity generation to Japan will have significant effects on manufacturing and therefore their economy.
They are also expecting a greater requirement of electrical generation in June / July because of whether.
I like optimism, but reality sometimes sucks.
,

Reality is also the strongest teacher. In any case will we have a chance to discuss my prediction in ten years? If you can find me and I'm wrong I'll buy the drinks. Hell if you can find me in a decade and I'm right I'll buy. :-)>

282 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:55:05pm

re: #277 Stanley Sea

Do I click? Do I click?

South Park screen cap. Pretty harmless.

283 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:55:55pm

re: #280 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
It;s a kids fantasy image.
Look if you like!

hahaha.

gah where I took the threAD. And yes, backspace is toast.

284 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:56:06pm

re: #280 Floral Giraffe

It;s a kids fantasy image.

You know some real weird-ass kids, Floral.
/;)

285 albusteve  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:56:32pm

re: #276 Cheechako

Each bottle contained 1 treatment of 6 pills. All the tech did was to combine 2 treatments into one bottle.

my older sis and her hubby spend 6mo winters in Yuma...they just love that area and buy lots of exotic meds in Mexico...they have never been burned...and my BinL had some fancy bridge work done there ultra cheap, and it was high quality workmanship...I can't even go down to Palomas anymore, it's way too dangerous

286 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:56:39pm

re: #284 Slumbering Behemoth

WHAT! They said they were friends of yours!
///

287 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:56:46pm

re: #276 Cheechako

Each bottle contained 1 treatment of 6 pills. All the tech did was to combine 2 treatments into one bottle.

Gotcha

I've had them harass me bringing antibiotics over because of a tooth extraction. All my dental work is done in Mexico.

288 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:00:40pm

re: #254 prononymous

Actually watch the interview. The CEO has some interesting thoughts regarding this.

I did that.

Validates my earlier sarc. To be more specific and political, USA market forces have devolved to the Republican model; let the lowest cost producer win (that's what they call free market), or otherwise put, let the smartest win.

He didn't explain how they managed to get financing to do this, and I wish them well but I am very pessimistic that it will make a dent in the American model.

What do we make in the industries of the future (by future I mean more than a 4 year electoral cycle)? We don't make TVs (we haven't made those for decades) we don't make PCs we don't make Kindles, we don't make solar panels we don't make wind turbines (even the Danes make more than the USA).

I could go on. I'm depressed.

289 ozbloke  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:01:12pm

re: #281 Rightwingconspirator

Reality is also the strongest teacher. In any case will we have a chance to discuss my prediction in ten years? If you can find me and I'm wrong I'll buy the drinks. Hell if you can find me in a decade and I'm right I'll buy. :-)>

I would like that, I will hold you to it.

290 Cheechako  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:02:18pm

re: #285 albusteve

my older sis and her hubby spend 6mo winters in Yuma...they just love that area and buy lots of exotic meds in Mexico...they have never been burned...and my BinL had some fancy bridge work done there ultra cheap, and it was high quality workmanship...I can't even go down to Palomas anymore, it's way too dangerous


Los Algodones appeared to be very safe. Police and semi-auto armed border guards every where. There was a purse snatching while I was there. Within 30 seconds there were 3-4 uniformed police and a couple of undercover police on the scene. It's not very noticeable but the whole area is covered by TV cameras. I don't know if they caught the perp but I suspect he had a hard time getting away.

291 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:06:32pm

re: #290 Cheechako

Los Algodones appeared to be very safe. Police and semi-auto armed border guards every where. There was a purse snatching while I was there. Within 30 seconds there were 3-4 uniformed police and a couple of undercover police on the scene. It's not very noticeable but the whole area is covered by TV cameras. I don't know if they caught the perp but I suspect he had a hard time getting away.

Nowhere in Mexico is very safe.

292 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:07:18pm

re: #288 Naso Tang

I think our political environment is going to destroy our economy, as it has been doing for decades.

293 Lidane  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:07:37pm

Ugh.

I'm an idiot. I just left my cell phone in the back of a cab. I know it's there, because I used it to call the cab, and to answer when I got the automated callback to tell me it had arrived, and I don't have it now.

Now I'm having to try and track down the driver so I can get it back. FAIL.

294 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:08:28pm

re: #292 prononymous

*political/social, rather.

295 Cheechako  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:08:30pm

re: #287 Mr Pancakes

Gotcha

I've had them harass me bringing antibiotics over because of a tooth extraction. All my dental work is done in Mexico.

I bought 4 bottles of amoxicillin (100 pills each) for my BIL across with no questions. Total cost was $16.

296 CuriousLurker  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:08:42pm

re: #293 Lidane

Try calling your phone. He might pick up.

297 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:08:43pm

re: #293 Lidane

Ugh.

I'm an idiot. I just left my cell phone in the back of a cab. I know it's there, because I used it to call the cab, and to answer when I got the automated callback to tell me it had arrived, and I don't have it now.

Now I'm having to try and track down the driver so I can get it back. FAIL.

Cancel service now or not cancel........ that is the question.

298 CuriousLurker  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:09:36pm

re: #296 CuriousLurker

Try calling your phone. He might pick up.

Or at least he'll know it's there and the next passenger won't walk off with it.

299 albusteve  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:10:21pm

re: #292 prononymous

I think our political environment is going to destroy our economy, as it has been doing for decades.

the politicians control the economy...many, if not most politicians are crooked in one sense or another....Wall St, multinationals and the banks own the country....we are hosed

300 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:10:29pm

re: #279 prononymous

I imagined the work needed to install the modules might be a turnoff. But it really isn't that hard. And once you have them installed they last a really long time.

I have no idea if they plan to make a standard screw-in module but I'll let you know when they do, if you want me to.

Yes, please do.

301 Lidane  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:10:42pm

re: #296 CuriousLurker

Try calling your phone. He might pick up.

I did that. I'm on the phone with the dispatcher now to try and reach him directly.

*sigh*

302 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:11:02pm

re: #298 CuriousLurker

Or at least he'll know it's there and the next passenger won't walk off with it.

That was my thought too.

I have "Home" programmed into my phone. If I ever leave it somewhere, someone might be kind enough to call me if they find it.

303 CuriousLurker  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:11:45pm

re: #302 reine.de.tout

That was my thought too.

I have "Home" programmed into my phone. If I ever leave it somewhere, someone might be kind enough to call me if they find it.

Smart lady.

304 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:12:25pm

re: #299 albusteve

the politicians control the economy...many, if not most politicians are crooked in one sense or another...Wall St, multinationals and the banks own the country...we are hosed

The politicians do not control the economy, Steve. They wield a great deal of influence, but the very fact that the unemployment has remained high in defiance of Obama's attempts to lower it is proof that the US economy cannot simply be 'controlled'.

305 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:12:45pm

re: #303 CuriousLurker

Smart lady.

Heh.
Amazing isn't it, me being suthren and all.
/

306 Lidane  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:14:42pm

Ugh. They just told me they'd get a message to the driver. If I don't hear from them within the next 20 minutes, call them back.

THIS SUCKS. I need that phone. It's damn near an extension of my arm most days because I rely on it so much. :(

307 CuriousLurker  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:14:51pm

re: #305 reine.de.tout

Heh.
Amazing isn't it, me being suthren and all.
/

LOL Well, I'm southern too, remember?

308 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:15:54pm

re: #307 CuriousLurker

LOL Well, I'm southern too, remember?

You're not Southern, you're a Texan ;-P

309 CuriousLurker  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:15:57pm

re: #306 Lidane

Ugh. They just told me they'd get a message to the driver. If I don't hear from them within the next 20 minutes, call them back.

THIS SUCKS. I need that phone. It's damn near an extension of my arm most days because I rely on it so much. :(

*hands Lidane a paper bag* Breathe, woman. Everything's going to be fine.

310 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:16:01pm

re: #302 reine.de.tout

That was my thought too.

I have "Home" programmed into my phone. If I ever leave it somewhere, someone might be kind enough to call me if they find it.

You must live in a better place than me.

311 CuriousLurker  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:16:50pm

re: #308 talon_262

You're not Southern, you're a Texan ;-P

Yeah, we're spayshul snowflakes. // Heh.

312 albusteve  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:17:36pm

re: #304 Dark_Falcon

The politicians do not control the economy, Steve. They wield a great deal of influence, but the very fact that the unemployment has remained high in defiance of Obama's attempts to lower it is proof that the US economy cannot simply be 'controlled'.

bullshit...it's a matter of degrees, the feds determine the tax laws, regulations and general business climate...the state provides tax breaks, protects the unions, local zoning laws determine business locations...on and on
btw, what has BO done to jump start employment?

313 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:17:42pm

re: #311 CuriousLurker

Yeah, we're spayshul snowflakes. // Heh.

A whole other country, right?

314 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:17:56pm

re: #307 CuriousLurker

LOL Well, I'm southern too, remember?

What he said!

re: #308 talon_262

You're not Southern, you're a Texan ;-P

Now, you know it's true!

315 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:18:00pm

re: #306 Lidane

Ugh. They just told me they'd get a message to the driver. If I don't hear from them within the next 20 minutes, call them back.

THIS SUCKS. I need that phone. It's damn near an extension of my arm most days because I rely on it so much. :(

Hopefully you're not screwed...... but you probably are.

316 CuriousLurker  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:18:25pm

re: #313 talon_262

A whole other country, right?

That's right, for 10 whole years!

317 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:18:40pm

re: #310 Mr Pancakes

You must live in a better place than me.

I've found phones, and call "Home" or "Mom", if I can't find the person around.

318 Lidane  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:18:43pm

re: #315 Mr Pancakes

Hopefully you're not screwed... but you probably are.

That's what I'm thinking. I don't know what I'm going to do if I don't get it back. Blah.

319 albusteve  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:19:33pm

re: #318 Lidane

That's what I'm thinking. I don't know what I'm going to do if I don't get it back. Blah.

buy another one...that's what I do

320 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:19:42pm

re: #317 reine.de.tout

ICE,
In Case of Emergency,
Is what we're taught to program in the phones.
Hope you are well?

321 Interesting Times  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:20:04pm

re: #302 reine.de.tout

That was my thought too.

I have "Home" programmed into my phone. If I ever leave it somewhere, someone might be kind enough to call me if they find it.

Reminds me of an incident where an iPhone was left behind in the women's washroom near the office where I work. Someone found it and it turned it in. There was no easy-to-find contact info on the homescreen, so the only way I could figure out who it belonged to was to go through the person's inbox. *_* That felt pretty icky, like the digital equivalent of rooting through someone's purse or garbage.

So yes, based on that little experience, I would strongly suggest putting some basic contact info in the phone that's visible on the screen even when the device is locked. Or even an old-fashioned physical label somewhere.

322 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:20:26pm

re: #318 Lidane

That's what I'm thinking. I don't know what I'm going to do if I don't get it back. Blah.

That sucks... I feel for ya Lidane. You may want to cancel service now.

323 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:20:36pm

Well, since Charles is on the road, I will do A Reveal here, and wait a week or so to mail this.

324 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:21:01pm

re: #300 Dark_Falcon

Yes, please do.

Okay, I'll remember.

Though I want to add that the Edison screw base is an ancient format. New designs are much better. Restricting a design to be compatible with bases from the early 1900's onward is a significant limitation on power, thermal dissipation, optic design, etc.

325 CuriousLurker  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:21:04pm

re: #318 Lidane

That's what I'm thinking. I don't know what I'm going to do if I don't get it back. Blah.

You will get it back. The driver is probably just out grabbing coffee or making a...pit stop. Cab drivers don't like to get screwed with by taxi inspectors. If you don't hear back from them tonight, call the taxicab inspector's office first thing in the AM and explain the situation.

326 albusteve  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:21:22pm

re: #323 reine.de.tout

Well, since Charles is on the road, I will do A Reveal here, and wait a week or so to mail this.

I love it

327 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:21:32pm

re: #320 Floral Giraffe

ICE,
In Case of Emergency,
Is what we're taught to program in the phones.
Hope you are well?

Yes, thanks! Getting ober a bad code.
Otherwise, pretty OK.

And I do have an ICE number in my phone, as well.

328 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:21:39pm

re: #323 reine.de.tout

Well, since Charles is on the road, I will do A Reveal here, and wait a week or so to mail this.

That is beautiful!

329 CuriousLurker  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:22:20pm

re: #323 reine.de.tout

Well, since Charles is on the road, I will do A Reveal here, and wait a week or so to mail this.

OMG!

330 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:22:25pm

re: #326 albusteve

re: #328 Floral Giraffe

Thanks, y'all!
It was a lot of fun.

331 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:22:32pm

re: #323 reine.de.tout

Well, since Charles is on the road, I will do A Reveal here, and wait a week or so to mail this.

That's cool.

332 Kragar  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:22:33pm

re: #302 reine.de.tout

That was my thought too.

I have "Home" programmed into my phone. If I ever leave it somewhere, someone might be kind enough to call me if they find it.

Got lucky with a lost wallet like that once. Left it sitting at an ATM and when I got home, there was a voicemail from the guy who found it and told me how to get in touch with him.

333 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:23:07pm

re: #323 reine.de.tout

Well, since Charles is on the road, I will do A Reveal here, and wait a week or so to mail this.

Damn, that looks pretty good...

334 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:23:20pm

re: #324 prononymous

Okay, I'll remember.

Though I want to add that the Edison screw base is an ancient format. New designs are much better. Restricting a design to be compatible with bases from the early 1900's onward is a significant limitation on power, thermal dissipation, optic design, etc.

"How did God create the world in 6 days?"

"He didn't have to deal with an installed base."

- Old programmer's joke that accurately sums up the problem you just posed.

335 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:24:07pm

re: #332 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Got lucky with a lost wallet like that once. Left it sitting at an ATM and when I got home, there was a voicemail from the guy who found it and told me how to get in touch with him.

Ya see?
I believe MOST folks are quite honest and will do the right thing. So chances are when you lose something, you MOST LIKELY will get it back.

336 albusteve  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:24:53pm

re: #334 Dark_Falcon

"How did God create the world in 6 days?"

"He didn't have to deal with an installed base."

- Old programmer's joke that accurately sums up the problem you just posed.

and on the seventh day, he created, in his own image, Republicans!...yay!

337 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:26:21pm

re: #335 reine.de.tout

Ya see?
I believe MOST folks are quite honest and will do the right thing. So chances are when you lose something, you MOST LIKELY will get it back.

I wish I felt that way, but experience has taught me otherwise........ I owed a retail store.

338 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:26:45pm

re: #335 reine.de.tout

I too, got a wallet back, with cash & credit cards, that I left at a pay phone.
I also got a ride home from a lady in the car in front of me, when I didn't hit her car in an accident. She waited over an hour, just to give me a ride home. THAT's how happy she was, that I hadn't hit her car.
Good people take care of other good people!

339 CuriousLurker  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:26:56pm

re: #325 CuriousLurker

You will get it back. The driver is probably just out grabbing coffee or making a...pit stop. Cab drivers don't like to get screwed with by taxi inspectors. If you don't hear back from them tonight, call the taxicab inspector's office first thing in the AM and explain the situation.

Or you could just panic. //

I'm gonna go check reine's page more thoroughly now...

340 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:27:07pm

re: #292 prononymous

I think our political environment is going to destroy our economy, as it has been doing for decades.

There's a lot to debate in that one sentence.

Everything has its cycles, and most cycles swing further than one would like.

I blame one side for believing they have a god on their side and the other for respecting it and those in between for thinking it's not important.

Late.
Goodnight

341 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:29:02pm

re: #337 Mr Pancakes

I wish I felt that way, but experience has taught me otherwise... I owed a retail store.

Yes, well - that I can understand. But honestly - weren't MOST of your customers honest? Those dishonest few can cause untold misery . . .

342 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:29:24pm

re: #334 Dark_Falcon

"How did God create the world in 6 days?"

"He didn't have to deal with an installed base."

- Old programmer's joke that accurately sums up the problem you just posed.

Yeah, really. DAMN YOU WINTEL.

343 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:30:32pm

On Christmas Eve I found a purse, fulll of everything possible in a grocery cart at the market parking lot. Turned it in. Poor lady lost her mind I'm sure, but she got it back. I checked.

344 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:30:41pm

Well.
G'night folks, been a long day.
My left ear has been stopped up all day, and it's driving me batty. Nothing I do clears it up. argh. I want to scream.

345 Cheechako  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:32:22pm

re: #344 reine.de.tout

Well.
G'night folks, been a long day.
My left ear has been stopped up all day, and it's driving me batty. Nothing I do clears it up. argh. I want to scream.


I have lots of Z-Packs!

346 Lidane  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:34:18pm

I'm not panicked yet. If I don't get it back, then I'll panic.

347 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:34:54pm

re: #341 reine.de.tout

Yes, well - that I can understand. But honestly - weren't MOST of your customers honest? Those dishonest few can cause untold misery . . .

Of course 99% of our customers were honest........ the dishonest ones made it impossible to continue (our items were sold on consignment) ........ that it just wasn't fun (or profitable) anymore. Add to that we had a dishonest clerk taking money from the till. Am I jaded? Yea.

348 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:35:46pm

I'm worn out so I'm going to bed. Goodnight, all.

349 CuriousLurker  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:36:08pm

re: #346 Lidane

I'm not panicked yet. If I don't get it back, then I'll panic.

I'm glad you're not panicked (yet). ;o)

350 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:36:24pm

re: #347 Mr Pancakes

Of course 99% of our customers were honest... the dishonest ones made it impossible to continue (our items were sold on consignment) ... that it just wasn't fun (or profitable) anymore. Add to that we had a dishonest clerk taking money from the till. Am I jaded? Yea.

{{Mr Pancakes}}

So sorry.

351 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:37:02pm

re: #222 Slumbering Behemoth

Seriously. Are we gonna start seeing written legislation containing terms like "Hoo-Hoo Diddle" and "Va-Jay Jay"?

There's a Monk episode where the feisty old lady who was kidnapped keeps telling everyone that she should have 'stabbed them in the particulars'. Perhaps that would be generic enough to please everyone.

352 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:37:23pm

re: #340 Naso Tang

There's a lot to debate in that one sentence.

Everything has its cycles, and most cycles swing further than one would like.

I blame one side for believing they have a god on their side and the other for respecting it and those in between for thinking it's not important.

Late.
Goodnight

While I believe that both parties are responsible for the problem, I don't think this is a cycle - it has been steady for a long time. Nor do I think it comes down to religion. I think it comes down to neither party being pragmatic when it comes to attracting business and maintaining economic stability - as well as the fact that our society buys mostly on cost regardless of other factors. Ideological stances might sound good but often break down in the real world.

Have a good night.

353 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:37:29pm

Sleep tight, Lizards!

354 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:38:05pm

re: #346 Lidane

I'm not panicked yet. If I don't get it back, then I'll panic.

I had iphone stolen. Guy at store next day told me they sold them for 200 on craigslist. not to worry about my info (you know, all the sexting info) kidding.

Lidane, whatever happens, it's survivable.

355 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:38:15pm

re: #350 reine.de.tout

{{Mr Pancakes}}

So sorry.

Thanks...... it sucked cuz we paid our employees more that we paid ourselves.

356 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:39:22pm

I just got here... who the fuck am I going to take pot shots at if everyone is leaving?

I guess I'll just get back to my writing duties. I'm writing more material for Jeff Dunham and Walter.

357 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:39:52pm

re: #351 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a Monk episode where the feisty old lady who was kidnapped keeps telling everyone that she should have 'stabbed them in the particulars'. Perhaps that would be generic enough to please everyone.

#uterus

I'm doing my part on twitter, along with many others. holy shit what have we devolved to?

358 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:40:36pm

re: #243 Slumbering Behemoth

The 1750s, it would seem.

Oh, in the 1750s they still said a hell of a lot worse than 'uterus' in mixed company. This euphemistic nonsense is of a more recent vintage.

359 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:40:40pm

re: #356 Walter L. Newton

I just got here... who the fuck am I going to take pot shots at if everyone is leaving?

I guess I'll just get back to my writing duties. I'm writing more material for Jeff Dunham and Walter.

You can pick on me Walter.

360 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:41:07pm

Now... this is what I call making or saving jobs...

A U.S. recruiter is hiring nuclear power workers in the United States to help Japan gain control of the stricken Fukushima Daiichi plant, which has been spewing radiation.

The qualifications: Skills gained in the nuclear industry, a passport, a family willing to let you go, willingness to work in a radioactive zone.

[Link: ca.news.yahoo.com...]

Shovel ready.

361 CuriousLurker  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:41:16pm

re: #356 Walter L. Newton

I just got here... who the fuck am I going to take pot shots at if everyone is leaving?

I guess I'll just get back to my writing duties. I'm writing more material for Jeff Dunham and Walter.

We heard you coming.

I'm out too. G'nite, everyone.

362 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:42:30pm

re: #356 Walter L. Newton

I just got here... who the fuck am I going to take pot shots at if everyone is leaving?

I guess I'll just get back to my writing duties. I'm writing more material for Jeff Dunham and Walter.

I'm here Walter
:)

363 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:42:43pm

re: #247 EmmmieG

The 1750's were much baudier than the 1880's.

There is a delightful scene in one of Amanda Quick's novels, where a young man and woman are travelling through Regency England by coach, with a pair of middle-aged 'chaperones' who have gotten raucously drunk and are singing dirty ballads. The young man apologizes. "Older generation, you know. Not quite so refined."

Think Benjamin Franklin's young admirers, now the older folks in a Jane Austen world.

364 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:42:47pm

re: #360 Walter L. Newton

Now... this is what I call making or saving jobs...

[Link: ca.news.yahoo.com...]

Shovel ready.

So it took business weeks to do what governments did in days. That's really slow, and that's quite something considering how slow government usually is.

365 Cheechako  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:43:05pm

re: #356 Walter L. Newton

Walter
Got a chance to visit the Gem and Mineral shows in Quartzsite and Tuscon during my snowbird trip to AZ this winter. It was hard to believe all the beautiful stuff that was on display. Even the crew from the meteor show were there with samples. Amazing stuff.

366 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:43:17pm

re: #252 Floral Giraffe

Woman with a knife, perhaps?

Is anyone else starting to worry that Brookly's girlfriend might have shot him?

367 Amory Blaine  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:44:10pm

re: #356 Walter L. Newton

I just got here... who the fuck am I going to take pot shots at if everyone is leaving?

"You wanna hurt me go ahead if it makes you feel any better I'm an easy target.
yeah your right i talk to much i also listen to much.
i could be a cold hearted cynic like you...but i don't like to hurt peoples feelings.
well you think what you want about me I'm not changing.
I like...I like me.
my kids like me.
my friends like me.
cause I'm the real article.
what ya see is watch ya get.

Del Griffith

368 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:45:15pm

re: #277 Stanley Sea

Do I click? Do I click?

You click. Be aware that the thing you are going to see SPEAKS to the child, in a high-pitched quavery voice that is, actually, sort of what I would expect a clitoris to sound like it if talked.

369 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:46:06pm

re: #366 SanFranciscoZionist

Is anyone else starting to worry that Brookly's girlfriend might have shot him?

Hmmmmm maybe it was the ultimate flounce.
/

370 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:46:24pm

re: #366 SanFranciscoZionist

Is anyone else starting to worry that Brookly's girlfriend might have shot him?

ha! with her glock. My theory is he got a job and is SUPER BUSY.

IMHO He was not a wimp & would not just bail when times got tough.

371 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:46:41pm

re: #284 Slumbering Behemoth

You know some real weird-ass kids, Floral.
/;)

I remember years ago, renting "South Park: The Movie" with my boyfriend.

The young man behind the counter asked politely if we understood that it was not a children's movie.

We assured him that did.

372 albusteve  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:47:16pm

re: #366 SanFranciscoZionist

Is anyone else starting to worry that Brookly's girlfriend might have shot him?

remember Realwest?...sometimes I wonder if his cancer is still killing him, or has

373 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:48:02pm

re: #365 Cheechako

Walter
Got a chance to visit the Gem and Mineral shows in Quartzsite and Tuscon during my snowbird trip to AZ this winter. It was hard to believe all the beautiful stuff that was on display. Even the crew from the meteor show were there with samples. Amazing stuff.

Yes, Tuscon is the ground zero show for meteorite sales... actually never been there myself, but well aware of the quality and quantity of items on sale. If you want 1000 grams of meteorites or 1000 kilograms of meteorites, they can be had there.

And there's always fresh material from the Moroccans... picked up during the preceding year by the bedouins and sold at Tuscon.

When I do buy bulk, I have a contact in Dahkla, Western Sahara. Takes up to six months to arrange a shipment, but price wise, it's worth it.

374 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:48:18pm

re: #305 reine.de.tout

Heh.
Amazing isn't it, me being suthren and all.
/

Steel Magnolias have always been sharp as tacks, they just don't let gentlemen know it.

375 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:48:44pm

re: #370 Stanley Sea

ha! with her glock. My theory is he got a job and is SUPER BUSY.

IMHO He was not a wimp & would not just bail when times got tough.

Some conservatives just hang out in open threads. Not that I mean me or anything.

376 abolitionist  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:48:51pm

re: #165 Obdicut

I don't like people who drive while drunk. It's like firing randomly into the air.

Get him a bike.

Ahem. He also has to have a "primary vehicle" with a breathalyzer interlock..

Such a bike is going to be weird-looking, and very expensive, I'd bet.

377 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:49:26pm

Hey all,

How has the day been?

378 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:49:42pm

re: #323 reine.de.tout

Well, since Charles is on the road, I will do A Reveal here, and wait a week or so to mail this.

Yay! I love it!!

379 Amory Blaine  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:49:53pm

re: #376 abolitionist

They arrest you for a DUI on a bicycle as well.

380 Lidane  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:50:35pm

Well, shit. The driver couldn't find the phone in his cab, so my guess is that someone he picked up afterwards took it. I'm canceling the service now and trying to get a replacement.

Fuck. I did NOT need this, since it's going to cost money I don't have to replace my phone.

381 albusteve  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:50:44pm

re: #379 Amory Blaine

They arrest you for a DUI on a bicycle as well.

also on horseback and lawn tractors

382 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:51:15pm

re: #372 albusteve

remember Realwest?...sometimes I wonder if his cancer is still killing him, or has

Me too! he never responded to my emails, way back when, asking what happened.

We chatted thru email sometimes. He seemed like a genuine fellow.

383 Amory Blaine  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:51:27pm

re: #381 albusteve

also on horseback and lawn tractors

I wonder about those shoes that have the hidden wheels in them?

384 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:52:27pm

re: #382 ggt

Me too! he never responded to my emails, way back when, asking what happened.

We chatted thru email sometimes. He seemed like a genuine fellow.

He is still blogging

385 albusteve  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:53:37pm

re: #382 ggt

Me too! he never responded to my emails, way back when, asking what happened.

We chatted thru email sometimes. He seemed like a genuine fellow.

he was, I don't know why he split...not my business, he was just gone

386 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:53:40pm

re: #380 Lidane

I'd have called the number from a pay phone first, and said "You think I can't find my cell phone? You think I can't find you?" just to fuck with 'em a little.

387 Cheechako  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:53:44pm

re: #373 Walter L. Newton

My son and DIL worked for one of the major importers. They had all kinds of gems and mineral that were sold by the pound. Most were in boxes and were never looked at before the sale.
My kids got some outstanding agate slices and crystals.

388 albusteve  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:54:11pm

re: #383 Amory Blaine

I wonder about those shoes that have the hidden wheels in them?

first they came for the cars....

389 albusteve  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:54:45pm

re: #384 HoosierHoops

He is still blogging

that's good news...I hope he's relatively healthy

390 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:55:15pm

re: #386 Slumbering Behemoth

I'd have called the number from a pay phone first, and said "You think I can't find my cell phone? You think I can't find you?" just to fuck with 'em a little.

Some of the new phones have GPS embedded........ which will be the norm soon.

391 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:55:19pm

re: #363 SanFranciscoZionist

There is a delightful scene in one of Amanda Quick's novels, where a young man and woman are travelling through Regency England by coach, with a pair of middle-aged 'chaperones' who have gotten raucously drunk and are singing dirty ballads. The young man apologizes. "Older generation, you know. Not quite so refined."

Think Benjamin Franklin's young admirers, now the older folks in a Jane Austen world.

Is Amanda Quick a good author? What books would you recommend?

I'm out of listening material . . .

BTW, Carlos Ruiz Zafon, The Angel's Game was a unbelievably wonderful listen.

392 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:56:47pm

Off topic, but I've been old music videos of songs I kinda like from the 80's. For those old enough to have been there, will you explain this.

393 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:56:50pm

re: #391 ggt

Is Amanda Quick a good author? What books would you recommend?

I'm out of listening material . . .

BTW, Carlos Ruiz Zafon, The Angel's Game was a unbelievably wonderful listen.

Amanda Quick is the author who reimagined the Regency romance. The standard for Regencies for ages was that there was no sex. Quick added the sex.

If you like well-crafted romance, she is very good indeed. I haven't read anything of hers in years, and don't recall the titles, but Amazon will have lots to offer.

394 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:57:05pm

re: #390 Mr Pancakes

Some of the new phones have GPS embedded... which will be the norm soon.

Before that, you could still triangulate a signal using cell towers. Not as precise as GPS, but still.

395 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:57:40pm

A gentleman has just commented on my Facebook post about the Florida Uterus Scandal.

His comment? "Urethra!"

396 tnguitarist  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:58:13pm

re: #392 ProLifeLiberal

Off topic, but I've been old music videos of songs I kinda like from the 80's. For those old enough to have been there, will you explain this.

[Video]

I can't hear that song without thinking of The Wedding Singer.

397 Lidane  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:58:24pm

Oh well. I deactivated my phone already. I'll go to the AT&T Store at the mall tomorrow to find a new phone, I guess.

It was an older iPhone. Maybe I'll get a new one, since I was at the upgrade point anyway. Still, this is annoying.

398 Gus  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:58:54pm

Yikes. Started looking through some of the LGF links and my head's already spinning. It seems as though when you step away for a while and come back it looks even worse. I'm sure we all know who and what "it" is.

399 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 9:59:06pm

re: #393 SanFranciscoZionist

Amanda Quick is the author who reimagined the Regency romance. The standard for Regencies for ages was that there was no sex. Quick added the sex.

If you like well-crafted romance, she is very good indeed. I haven't read anything of hers in years, and don't recall the titles, but Amazon will have lots to offer.

I'm not a romance reader, unless it is heavy in accurate (as possible) historical fiction and some decent plot lines.

I don't watch chick flicks either.

400 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:00:01pm

re: #392 ProLifeLiberal

Heh. It's funny you ask, as I have recently watched a sort of examination of '80s music videos.

401 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:00:02pm

re: #398 Gus 802

Yikes. Started looking through some of the LGF links and my head's already spinning. It seems as though when you step away for a while and come back it looks even worse. I'm sure we all know who and what "it" is.

I don't. :(

402 Kragar  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:00:09pm

re: #392 ProLifeLiberal

Off topic, but I've been old music videos of songs I kinda like from the 80's. For those old enough to have been there, will you explain this.

[Video]

It was originally written for a movie soundtrack

403 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:00:33pm

re: #398 Gus 802

Yikes. Started looking through some of the LGF links and my head's already spinning. It seems as though when you step away for a while and come back it looks even worse. I'm sure we all know who and what "it" is.

No I don't?

404 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:00:36pm

I was in college when MTV first went on the air. It was SO COOL.

I feel SO OLD.

405 Gus  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:00:45pm

re: #401 ggt

I don't. :(

Wingnuts and that political party symbolized by an elephant.

406 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:01:06pm

re: #405 Gus 802

Wingnuts and that political party symbolized by an elephant.

ah!

407 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:02:04pm

re: #392 ProLifeLiberal

Off topic, but I've been old music videos of songs I kinda like from the 80's. For those old enough to have been there, will you explain this.

[Video]

Explain? haha.

408 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:02:43pm

re: #402 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Wow, I can't believe someone thought of that.

The song is awesome, but the real video look so weird. On top of that it's very hard to tell the gender of the main singer.

409 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:03:23pm

re: #392 ProLifeLiberal

'Kay:

Everyone had hair like that back then. I went to school with girls with hair just like that.

The singer has since been revealed to be a nut of the first order.

The Video bimbo standard hadn't been invented yet.

This video has nothing on Duran Duran's Planet Earth.

410 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:03:42pm

re: #408 ProLifeLiberal

Wow, I can't believe someone thought of that.

The song is awesome, but the real video look so weird. On top of that it's very hard to tell the gender of the main singer.

Pete Burns....... easier now?

411 Gus  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:04:06pm

What the heck is going on with the Hulu webpage?

412 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:04:08pm

re: #398 Gus 802

Yikes. Started looking through some of the LGF links and my head's already spinning. It seems as though when you step away for a while and come back it looks even worse. I'm sure we all know who and what "it" is.

The Ultimate Clitoris?

413 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:04:44pm

re: #412 Slumbering Behemoth

The Ultimate Clitoris?

From Jack in the Box?

414 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:04:50pm

re: #397 Lidane

Oh well. I deactivated my phone already. I'll go to the AT&T Store at the mall tomorrow to find a new phone, I guess.

It was an older iPhone. Maybe I'll get a new one, since I was at the upgrade point anyway. Still, this is annoying.

Girl, you are where I was a month ago. Other than the cash and the slight embarrassment pf asking for numbers to re=program, I survived. You will. It sucks though.

415 Kragar  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:04:56pm

re: #408 ProLifeLiberal

Wow, I can't believe someone thought of that.

The song is awesome, but the real video look so weird. On top of that it's very hard to tell the gender of the main singer.

Androgyny was all the rage. They were kids who grew up watching and listening to Bowie and Queen.

416 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:05:23pm

re: #399 ggt

I'm not a romance reader, unless it is heavy in accurate (as possible) historical fiction and some decent plot lines.

I don't watch chick flicks either.

Might not be your thing then, although I enjoy her stuff, and I am not much of a romance reader.

If you like historical fiction, have you read/listened to any Judith Merkle Riley?

417 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:06:52pm

re: #412 Slumbering Behemoth

The Ultimate Clitoris?

HA!

418 Kragar  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:08:02pm

And then we had Adam Ant

419 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:08:14pm

re: #417 Stanley Sea

You do realize that someone must register that nic here now.

420 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:08:46pm

re: #397 Lidane

Oh well. I deactivated my phone already. I'll go to the AT&T Store at the mall tomorrow to find a new phone, I guess.

It was an older iPhone. Maybe I'll get a new one, since I was at the upgrade point anyway. Still, this is annoying.

How much storage did you have on your lost iPhone? AT&T's online store has some refurb'ed 16 GB iPhone 4's with cosmetic blemishes for 79 bucks with a 2-year renewal.

421 Gus  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:09:31pm

re: #411 Gus 802

What the heck is going on with the Hulu webpage?

Apparently it's supposed to be an April fools joke.

[Link: www.hulu.com...]

422 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:10:09pm

re: #420 talon_262

How much storage did you have on your lost iPhone? AT&T's online store has some refurb'ed 16 GB iPhone 4's with cosmetic blemishes for 79 bucks with a 2-year renewal.

MY neighbor's wife lost her phone in a store. He managed to get on the local news after whoever found the phone actually went on her facebook page and posted some gibberish.

423 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:10:50pm

re: #416 SanFranciscoZionist

Might not be your thing then, although I enjoy her stuff, and I am not much of a romance reader.

If you like historical fiction, have you read/listened to any Judith Merkle Riley?

no, and there doesn't seem to be an audio version of any of her work.

:(

424 Lidane  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:11:07pm

re: #414 Stanley Sea

Girl, you are where I was a month ago. Other than the cash and the slight embarrassment pf asking for numbers to re=program, I survived. You will. It sucks though.

I'm trying to look at the bright side. As annoying as this is, it's just a lost phone. I hate that I'll have to spend the money, but all the important stuff-- credit cards, debit cards, ID, etc. -- is here with me, and I can get all my numbers back.

I'm more irritated with myself for not being careful, and annoyed at the inconvenience of having to go get a new phone tomorrow. Other than that, I'll be okay. :)

425 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:11:13pm

re: #415 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Speaking of David Bowie, ever seen this:

Image: 20091201142901_993.jpg

Image: david-bowie2.jpg

The resemblance is eerie.

426 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:11:46pm

In respect of women everywhere and especially of #uterus

Check this vid out, just posted via twitter



WOMEN OF THE LIBYAN REVOLUTION

MUST WATCH

CAP GIRL GOES OFF

427 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:12:05pm

re: #418 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And then we had Adam Ant

[Video]

I liked Adam Ant. He was in a vampire movie, it was hilarious.

428 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:12:15pm

I will say (as my last post tonight), that I prefer looking at older videos. They hadn't yet figured out that they could skip out on creativity or a story and just show a lot of half-naked women.

Nike Kershaw's Wouldn't It Be Good is a little gem.

429 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:12:18pm

I hope they don't get rid of the GPS on my iPhone any time soon. I got in uh I want to say 2009. REally GPS has been a nice help to me since I have a terrible sense of direction.

430 Lidane  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:12:36pm

re: #420 talon_262

How much storage did you have on your lost iPhone? AT&T's online store has some refurb'ed 16 GB iPhone 4's with cosmetic blemishes for 79 bucks with a 2-year renewal.

I had the 16GB iPhone 3GS. I'm going to the mall and going to talk to someone at the AT&T Store. Maybe I can get a decent deal on something.

431 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:12:37pm

re: #419 Slumbering Behemoth

You do realize that someone must register that nic here now.

I;ll sock it

432 Kragar  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:14:03pm

re: #425 ProLifeLiberal

Speaking of David Bowie, ever seen this:

Image: 20091201142901_993.jpg

Image: david-bowie2.jpg

The resemblance is eerie.

And then we have the evolution of Emma Watson

Image: emma_bowie.png

433 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:14:24pm

re: #421 Gus 802

Ugh. I've forgotten how much I both love and hate the internet on April 1st.

434 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:14:43pm

re: #424 Lidane

I'm trying to look at the bright side. As annoying as this is, it's just a lost phone. I hate that I'll have to spend the money, but all the important stuff-- credit cards, debit cards, ID, etc. -- is here with me, and I can get all my numbers back.

I'm more irritated with myself for not being careful, and annoyed at the inconvenience of having to go get a new phone tomorrow. Other than that, I'll be okay. :)

I've seriously considered a wrist band attachment thingy.

435 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:14:49pm

re: #432 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I like the middle one.

436 Amory Blaine  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:15:41pm

ThinkGeek always has a April Fools product.

437 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:16:50pm

re: #426 Stanley Sea

In respect of women everywhere and especially of #uterus

Check this vid out, just posted via twitter

[Video]

WOMEN OF THE LIBYAN REVOLUTIONMUST WATCH

CAP GIRL GOES OFF

gives me chills.

438 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:18:48pm

re: #430 Lidane

I had the 16GB iPhone 3GS. I'm going to the mall and going to talk to someone at the AT&T Store. Maybe I can get a decent deal on something.

Log in to your AT&T Mobility account and check your upgrade eligibility...if it were me, unless you're really wed to Apple, I'd look at Android phones too. I love my Samsung Captivate...got mine from Wirefly (who apparently is no longer an AT&T reseller) back before Christmas for free with a contract extension. Amazon's wireless store has some pretty good deals, too...

439 Gus  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:21:02pm

Think I'll go back to work before bed. Later again.

440 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:22:54pm

re: #415 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Androgyny was all the rage. They were kids who grew up watching and listening to Bowie and Queen.

The music teacher at my school brought in some clips for the kids to watch. Aerosmith. Motley Crue. That sort of thing.

The kids asked, 'are they gay?'. That was the first question. It baffled me, until I realized that the hair, and the body language, was so unlike anything they were used to, that they couldn't quite figure out what they were looking at.

441 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:23:40pm

re: #423 ggt

no, and there doesn't seem to be an audio version of any of her work.

:(

That is a pity.

442 Lidane  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:23:51pm

re: #438 talon_262

Log in to your AT&T Mobility account and check your upgrade eligibility...if it were me, unless you're really wed to Apple, I'd look at Android phones too. I love my Samsung Captivate...got mine from Wirefly (who apparently is no longer an AT&T reseller) back before Christmas for free with a contract extension. Amazon's wireless store has some pretty good deals, too...

I had some issues with my iPhone a few months back and I remember the dude at the Apple store telling me I was eligible for an upgrade in late February. I'm pretty sure that still stands in spite of the lost phone. I hope so anyway.

I'm not wedded to the iPhone, but the idea of losing all the apps I use bugs me. I have some really handy ones that I bought which I'd have to replace if I got a Windows Phone or an Android. That's just more money I'd need to spend.

443 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:25:20pm

Anyone hear own a droid and if so would you recommend it? I enjoy my iPhone but I think it runs out of battery too easily and has other things I don't like about it. Also, for those who are tech aware, anyone know if Apple is planning to make a bigger iPod touch? I love my classic but I'd love to have the apps as well.

444 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:26:24pm

re: #437 Stanley Sea

Someone needs to light a fire under the butts of the front line guys to organize. Perhaps speaking about the people at home who will die if they don't listen will suffice.

445 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:29:08pm

I'm going to IHOP .... goodnight everyone.

446 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:29:53pm

re: #444 ProLifeLiberal

Someone needs to light a fire under the butts of the front line guys to organize. Perhaps speaking about the people at home who will die if they don't listen will suffice.

I guess that several other "top men" are leaving Guadaffi (sp, like Darth, I give up on the sp) We can only hope.

447 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:30:52pm

re: #426 Stanley Sea

It's bad enough that there are many politicians here in The States that want to roll back the progress of womens rights, but I find it especially disgusting that most folk would like to turn a blind eye to the Dark Age style of theocratic oppression women endure in other nations.

448 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:31:31pm

re: #430 Lidane

I had the 16GB iPhone 3GS. I'm going to the mall and going to talk to someone at the AT&T Store. Maybe I can get a decent deal on something.

Think about getting a MobileMe account and syncing your new phone with it. There's an iPhone/iPod Touch finder app that you can use to find any lost devices you've synced to your account.

449 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:33:09pm

Anyone remember my question about how a gentile can learn more about the Torah?

My friends asked their Rabbi and he offers Torah study (sentence by sentence --eeek!) and Intro to Judiasm. I also just signed-up for 10-minutes of Torah. Sounds very cool.

450 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:33:41pm

re: #447 Slumbering Behemoth

It's bad enough that there are many politicians here in The States that want to roll back the progress of womens rights, but I find it especially disgusting that most folk would like to turn a blind eye to the Dark Age style of theocratic oppression women endure in other nations.

A challenge I;ve watched my whole life. And now I'm, aware of the global struggle too. Pretty pathetic.

451 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:34:33pm

re: #447 Slumbering Behemoth

It's bad enough that there are many politicians here in The States that want to roll back the progress of womens rights, but I find it especially disgusting that most folk would like to turn a blind eye to the Dark Age style of theocratic oppression women endure in other nations.

DON'T GET ME STARTED.

452 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:35:17pm

re: #443 HappyWarrior

Anyone hear own a droid and if so would you recommend it?

They can be pretty cool sometimes, but other times they can be a real pain in the ass.

453 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:36:52pm

OK, my wonderful peeps, me and my laptop on it's last legs are leaving you for the nighty.

454 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:39:58pm

re: #452 Slumbering Behemoth

They can be pretty cool sometimes, but other times they can be a real pain in the ass.

Haha, thanks, how's the battery life, app library, etc? One of my biggest complaints with the iPhone is at times the battery meter won't go down.

455 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:43:42pm

re: #454 HappyWarrior

Haha, thanks, how's the battery life, app library, etc? One of my biggest complaints with the iPhone is at times the battery meter won't go down.

My son lost damaged-beyond-repair his iPhone, and opted to replace it with a Droid. He said his next phone will be an iPhone. Mostly because his iTunes won't all play on the Droid and he wants the apps he used to have.

456 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:45:42pm

re: #448 goddamnedfrank

FYI the MobileMe iDisk service is really useful and the main reason I got an account. I sometimes need to share very large files with students, colleagues and clients, much larger than will attach to an email, and the iDisk is foolproof. I could do the same thing via FTP but not all browsers support that and the links generated by MobileMe work with the least common denominator.

457 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:49:34pm

re: #451 ggt

Get started! Or not.

I am just baffled by the whole thing. In some parts of the world women are treated worse than livestock in the name of mythology, and here it would seem there are forces that decry the behavior in the name of such mythology, while actively working for the same in the name of theirs.

It would seem that the acceptability of oppressing females depends entirely on where you live, and which particular mythology you are using to do the oppressing.

How. Very. Sad.

458 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:49:39pm

re: #452 Slumbering Behemoth

They can be pretty cool sometimes, but other times they can be a real pain in the ass.

I've found the biggest problem with my droid is battery life. Other than that, it's pretty darned nice.

459 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:52:37pm

re: #454 HappyWarrior


Haha, thanks, how's the battery life, app library, etc?

Heh. You're asking the wrong dude, dude. My cell is a pre-paid POS that I barely use. It spends more time plugged into the charger than it does plugged into my ear.

460 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 11:15:39pm

re: #457 Slumbering Behemoth

Get started! Or not.

I am just baffled by the whole thing. In some parts of the world women are treated worse than livestock in the name of mythology, and here it would seem there are forces that decry the behavior in the name of such mythology, while actively working for the same in the name of theirs.

It would seem that the acceptability of oppressing females depends entirely on where you live, and which particular mythology you are using to do the oppressing.

How. Very. Sad.

I STAND WITH PLANNED PARENTHOOD.

please click, then click again and sign the petition.

share on facebook, tweet, do the internet thing.

If you live in the area or can get there, next Thursday, April 7th, there will be a Planned Parenthood rally in DC.

If you can't, they can always use $5 or $5000.

Talk about it, write, call your congress critters. Know the facts

You can do a search for ggt on the Pages, I have several posts.

Instead of arguing statistics, when I talk wtih people I ask: Where would you (the female in your life) go for her annual exam if you didn't have insurance? Something to think about with all the Health Care changes.

The facts are this simple. 3% of services provided by PP are abortions. NO Federal funds were used for abortions at Planned Parenthood. 97% of the services provided were HEALTH CARE for women who couldn't afford to go anywhere else.

This page from their annual report shows the pie chart of services provided.

The fact of the matter is that men don't like that contraception, STD treatment and EDUCATION is provided to both Men and Woman and Young Adults confidentially and out-of-the loop of MALE dominated society.

If you don't believe in abortion, don't behave in such a way that might lead to one.

461 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 11:16:36pm

re: #457 Slumbering Behemoth

Get started! Or not.

I am just baffled by the whole thing. In some parts of the world women are treated worse than livestock in the name of mythology, and here it would seem there are forces that decry the behavior in the name of such mythology, while actively working for the same in the name of theirs.

It would seem that the acceptability of oppressing females depends entirely on where you live, and which particular mythology you are using to do the oppressing.

How. Very. Sad.

Traditionally, women are treated as things or pets. This Brave New World is rife with conflict and cognitive dissonance.

462 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 11:28:50pm

re: #460 ggt

The fact of the matter is that men don't like that contraception, STD treatment and EDUCATION is provided to both Men and Woman and Young Adults confidentially and out-of-the loop of MALE dominated society.

Well, this man would disagree with that broad brush assumption, but you still get a favorable fist bump. It's a worthy cause.

463 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 11:31:09pm

The kid next door to us is having a party. They are smoking, or, actually, I think they've just thrown a brick of pot in a hibachi and set fire to it.

Unfortunately, this was a nice hot day, and we have all the windows open.

I hate the smell of pot. Oh God, I just HATE the smell of pot.

Must. Speak. To. Manager.

When I was in college, they told us during dorm orientation to put a towel under the door. Did these people never attend college?

I miss the Arab kids. They just drank vast amounts of beer, quietly.

464 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 31, 2011 11:53:42pm

re: #463 SanFranciscoZionist

I blame increased stupidity and lack of discretion. Why, in my day, we kept things on the "down low". So yeah, bust their stupid asses. They need to learn to be discreet.

Heh. A handful of years back, my neighbors at the time went out of town for the weekend, leaving their teen daughter and son behind.

Blaring music with the windows open at 2am, a metric fuck-ton of beer bottles in our dumpster the next morning, as well as a carton's worth of cig butts all around their front door. All I could think was "These rookies have no class, no style, no discretion, no brains. They deserve to get busted."

465 engineer cat  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 12:03:58am

Quinnipiac University Poll. March 22-28, 2011
"Do you support or oppose cutting off federal government funding to NPR, National Public Radio?"
Support Cutting 34%
Oppose Cutting 52%

ABC News/Washington Post Poll. March 10-13, 2011
"Now thinking specifically about workers employed by state governments, do you think those workers should or should not have a right to form unions to negotiate things like their working conditions, pay, benefits and pensions?"
Should 67%
Should not 32%

Pew Research Center. March 8-14, 2011
"Would you favor or oppose Changes to Social Security and Medicare as a way to reduce the budget deficit?"
Favor 30%
Oppose 65%

ALL YOUR ISSUE ARE BELONG TO US

466 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 12:07:54am

re: #461 ggt

There are many traditions that deserve to be cast into the trash heap of history, and that happens to be one of them.

I'll leave the preservation of tradition for tradition's sake to the cowards that fear the enlightenment and progress of humanity.

I prefer to spend what little time I have tearing down the edifice of stupidity and corruption.

467 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 12:09:08am

re: #462 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, this man would disagree with that broad brush assumption, but you still get a favorable fist bump. It's a worthy cause.

You are right.

I should have said "Whacko Men".

apologizes.

468 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 12:09:47am

re: #466 Slumbering Behemoth

Some sarc implied there, mostly as an excuse to link a cool groove.

469 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 12:16:10am

re: #466 Slumbering Behemoth

There are many traditions that deserve to be cast into the trash heap of history, and that happens to be one of them.

I'll leave the preservation of tradition for tradition's sake to the cowards that fear the enlightenment and progress of humanity.

I prefer to spend what little time I have tearing down the edifice of stupidity and corruption.

Well, if scads of women die in the process of pregnancy and childbirth, and those that live spend all their time baking bread and washing clothes at the river, AND they don't know how to space their pregnancies or prevent them, it makes little sense to teach them to read or devote much economic or emotional resources to them.

/gah

But, I see how history has favored men. Women used to die alot.

What has happened since SCIENCE enabled women to control their pregnancies? Gee, all that soft warm fuzzy stuff like Social Workers and Counselling and Rehab clinics and an international attention to sex crimes and abuse.

Not to mention the strides science has made since brilliant minds, previously barred from research because of gender, have been able to join the rank of scientists.

The same goes for all disciplines, not just hard science. Law, etc.

It's a Brave New World and it's not an exclusively male world anymore. It is difficult for some of both sexes to conceive of and accept.

470 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 12:19:16am

re: #467 ggt

You are right.

I should have said "Whacko Men".

apologizes.

No real need. I'm picking up what you're putting down, despite the fact that I have a penis.
/

Seriously though, when you have female democrats in some states sponsoring bills that mandate intrusive ultrasounds for those seeking abortions for any reason, including rape, then we have gone well past any black and white distinctions.

We truly do live in interesting times.

471 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 12:25:23am

re: #470 Slumbering Behemoth

No real need. I'm picking up what you're putting down, despite the fact that I have a penis.
/

Seriously though, when you have female democrats in some states sponsoring bills that mandate intrusive ultrasounds for those seeking abortions for any reason, including rape, then we have gone well past any black and white distinctions.

We truly do live in interesting times.

Gender seems to have little to do with it, you are right again.

It's about Power. Women with Power become, in many ways, what we think of as "male". Another reason some of the Fundamentalist Religious Whackos want to limit women. Can't handle the competition.

Those with Power want to manipulate those without.

472 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 12:25:45am

re: #469 ggt

Shit. There was a blurb on some TV show the other night which indicated that increased opportunities for women in education and employment helped improve the economies and communities in areas which previously disallowed such things. Seemed like a "no shit" concept to me. Wish I could remember what program it was.

473 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 12:28:18am

re: #472 Slumbering Behemoth

Shit. There was a blurb on some TV show the other night which indicated that increased opportunities for women in education and employment helped improve the economies and communities in areas which previously disallowed such things. Seemed like a "no shit" concept to me. Wish I could remember what program it was.

Yeah, no shit.

But the former "male concept" has been downgraded. Equality means that Men have to cook, clean, care for the children. They can't just dictate without possible rebuttal or "conversation" about it.

Some men can't handle this. Usually those with small minds or alcohol problems.

Same with domineering women.

Power can be challenged regardless of the gender holding it.

Power doesn't like that.

It is an addiction of it's own and IMHO, probably the most insidious.

474 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 12:29:24am

I have to sleep.

Thanks for the conversation.

Have a great morning!

475 treasured people  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 12:31:20am

THEY SAY THERE IS A LAND

lyrics: Saul Tshenikovsky
music: Naomi Shemer

They say: There is a land,
a land drenched with sun.
Wherefore is that land?
Where is that sun?

They say: There is a land,
its pillars are seven,
seven planets,
spiringing up on every hill.

Where is that land,
the stars of that hill?
Who shall guide our way,
tell me my path?

Already have we passed several
deserts and oceans.
Already have we traversed several,
our strengths are ending.

How is it we have gone astray?
That not yet have we been left alone?
That land of sun,
that one we have not found.

A land where shall come to pass
what every man had hoped for,
Everyone who enters,
had met with Akiva.

Peace to you, Akiva!
Peace to you, Rabbi!
Where are the saints?
Where is the Maccabee?

Answers him Akiva,
answers him the Rabbi:
All of Israel is sainted,
you are the Maccabee!

Where is that land,
the stars of that hill?
Who shall guide our way,
tell me my path?

They say: There is a land,
a land drenched with sun...
Wherefore is that land?
Where is that sun?

Your text to link...

476 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 12:35:11am

re: #473 ggt

But the former "male concept" has been downgraded. Equality means that Men have to cook, clean, care for the children. They can't just dictate without possible rebuttal or "conversation" about it.

Oh, you are overstepping your boundaries with that one, little missy!

Some men can't handle this. Usually those with small minds or alcohol problems.

And now you feel content with besmirching my love of barley and hops? This Suffrage movement has gone too far for my liking! Too far indeed!

/only kidding friend. sleep well.

477 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 12:54:24am

Despite the fact that I'm not a fan, I am feeling a bit Picard-ish.

'Nite y'all.

478 Summer Seale  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 2:33:12am

This is really awesome:

1st of April and Youtube has done something funny, as usual. =)

Go to Youtube, click on any video, and click on the 1911 button on the right of the player. =)

Happy April 1st everyone. =)

479 freetoken  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 2:36:12am

Looks like arrangements are being made for the next step:


SRS pump will head to Japan

The world's largest concrete pump, deployed at the construction site of the U.S. government's $4.86 billion mixed oxide fuel plant at Savannah River Site, is being moved to Japan in a series of emergency measures to help stabilize the Fukushima reactors.

[...]

Initially, the pump from Savannah River Site, and another 70-meter Putzmeister now at a construction site in California, will be used to pump water -- and later will be used to move concrete.

"Our understanding is, they are preparing to go to next phase and it will require a lot of concrete," Ashmore said, noting that the 70-meter pump can move 210 cubic yards of concrete per hour.

[...]

Ashmore said officials have already notified Shaw AREVA MOX Services, which is building the MOX plant for the U.S. Department of Energy's National Nuclear Security Administration, that the pump was being moved and will not be returned because it will become contaminated by radiation.

"It will be too hot to come back," Ashmore said.

[...]

There's a lot to be read in between those lines.

480 EdDantes  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 2:45:09am

re: #479 freetoken

Sounds like the Chernobyl solution. Not good.

481 researchok  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 2:47:03am

Morning, all.

482 researchok  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 2:48:28am

re: #479 freetoken

The Chernobyl Solution.

483 researchok  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 2:50:52am

Moussa Koussa and the mystery of UTA Flight 772

The dramatic defection of Libya's former foreign minister Moussa Koussa to Britain has inevitably focused attention on what role he might have played in planning the 1988 Lockerbie bombing. But as Scottish police prepare to grill Col Gaddafi's one-time intelligence chief, counter-terrorism experts in France will be pressing for the opportunity to question him about another airborne atrocity laid at the door of the Libyan regime.

A powerful explosion aboard a DC-10 aircraft operated by the French-owned Union des Transport Aeriens (UTA) over the Sahara desert in September 1989 - less than a year after Pan Am flight 103 was blown up - killed all 170 passengers and crew.

The downing of Flight 772, bound from Brazzaville via Chad to Paris Charles de Gaulle, never attracted the level of international outrage that greeted the Lockerbie disaster, though the French authorities spent years investigating the explosion.

484 freetoken  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 2:52:20am

re: #482 researchok

re: #480 EdDantes

Well, at least it would be a solution.

485 researchok  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 2:55:57am

re: #484 freetoken

re: #480 EdDantes

Well, at least it would be a solution.

You're right.

No arguing the pragmatism of a necessary, definitive plan- something we have yet to see.

486 EdDantes  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 2:57:01am

re: #484 freetoken

Chilling though

487 researchok  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 2:59:34am

re: #486 EdDantes

Chilling though

The silver lining is nuke design/procedures/regulation will be rewritten to higher standards.

488 EdDantes  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 3:02:56am

re: #487 researchok

The silver lining is nuke design/procedures/regulation will be rewritten to higher standards.

The Johnstown flood of 1889 killed 2200 almost instantly. I hope this disaster does exactly as you suggest.

489 EdDantes  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 3:11:02am

I hope the "Fukushima 50", regardless of their fate are remembered in the same way as the 300 Spartans at Thermopylae. I'm repeating myself from a few days ago but they are sacrificing themselves for a noble goal.

490 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 4:22:30am

Morning All....and isn't it a lovely morning?

491 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 4:26:09am
492 EdDantes  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 4:27:33am

What species of mammal sleeps on Trumps head?

493 EdDantes  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 4:28:52am

re: #491 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Right, you are!

494 EdDantes  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 4:35:34am

re: #491 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I love that! charley Spleen!

495 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 4:49:29am

I just occurred to me that I haven't seen anything from Gen. Powell regarding the Libyan war turd sandwich kinetic military action.

496 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 4:55:08am

re: #495 RogueOne

What is a kinetic military action?

497 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 5:01:12am

re: #496 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What is a kinetic military action?

That's what you call it when you don't want to use the "w" word. Lobbing missiles, once more with energy this time!
[Link: www.politico.com...]

498 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 5:01:24am

re: #496 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh! I get it. Thank goodness that words make it better.

499 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 5:15:33am

re: #492 EdDantes

What species of mammal sleeps on Trumps head?

May be related to the Nauga.

500 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 5:19:40am
501 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 5:22:56am

re: #497 RogueOne

Just another term thought up by the DOO. (Department of Obfuscation)

502 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 5:23:34am

re: #492 EdDantes

What species of mammal sleeps on Trumps head?

A dead rabbit.

503 treasured people  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 5:35:17am

THEY SAY THERE IS A LAND

lyrics: Saul Tchernikovsky

music: Naomi Shemer

They say: There is a land,
a land drenched with sun.
Wherefore is that land?
Where is that sun?

They say: There is a land,
its pillars are seven,
seven planets,
spiringing up on every hill.

Where is that land,
the stars of that hill?
Who shall guide our way,
tell me my path?

Already have we passed several
deserts and oceans.
Already have we traversed several,
our strengths are ending.

How is it we have gone astray?
That not yet have we been left alone?
That land of sun,
that one we have not found.

A land where shall come to pass
what every man had hoped for,
Everyone who enters,
had met with Akiva.

Peace to you, Akiva!
Peace to you, Rabbi!
Where are the saints?
Where is the Maccabee?

Answers him Akiva,
answers him the Rabbi:
All of Israel is sainted,
you are the Maccabee!

Where is that land,
the stars of that hill?
Who shall guide our way,
tell me my path?

They say: There is a land,
a land drenched with sun…
Wherefore is that land?
Where is that sun?

504 The Left  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 5:39:22am

Everything old is new again:
The War On Child Labor Laws: Maine Republicans Want Longer Hours, Lower Pay For Kids

LD 1346 suggests several significant changes to Maine’s child labor law, most notably a 180-day period during which workers under age 20 would earn $5.25 an hour.

The state’s current minimum wage is $7.50 an hour.

Rep. David Burns, R-Whiting, is sponsoring the bill, which also would eliminate the maximum number of hours a minor over 16 can work during school days.

42-skidoo!
/or something.
Morning folks.

505 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 5:39:57am

re: #502 Alouette

Silly Rabbi! Trids are for kicks!

506 Mr. Crankypants  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 5:40:59am

re: #479 freetoken

Putzmeister ::snort::

Morning all

507 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 5:41:08am

re: #505 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Silly Rabbi! Trids are for kicks!

Kicks are for Trids.

508 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 5:42:59am

re: #507 Alouette

I don't get it.
/

509 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 5:43:19am

re: #471 ggt

Gender seems to have little to do with it, you are right again.

It's about Power. Women with Power become, in many ways, what we think of as "male". Another reason some of the Fundamentalist Religious Whackos want to limit women. Can't handle the competition.

Those with Power want to manipulate those without.

I worked on a writing project with a woman in love with power.

That became obvious when I posted my opinion on something at a political forum. She sent me an e-mail making it clear that as long as I worked for her (we were co-authors) I was never again to post any opinions on politics anywhere ever again. And if I had to post, I had to send it to her so she could censor it before I posted it.

Needless to say the project fell apart after that.

I'll be honest. It was my first intimation of how bad things were going to get in the States, politically. She voted for McCain, and thought highly of Palin.

510 Mr. Crankypants  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 5:45:11am

re: #509 Romantic Heretic

I worked on a writing project with a woman in love with power.

That became obvious when I posted my opinion on something at a political forum. She sent me an e-mail making it clear that as long as I worked for her (we were co-authors) I was never again to post any opinions on politics anywhere ever again. And if I had to post, I had to send it to her so she could censor it before I posted it.

Needless to say the project fell apart after that.

I'll be honest. It was my first intimation of how bad things were going to get in the States, politically. She voted for McCain, and thought highly of Palin.

That seems to be a right wing/authoritarian thing going on. They seem dedicated to the idea of smaller government and government staying out of people's lives as long as it doesn't apply to them.

511 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 5:45:38am

re: #504 iceweasel

"Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?"
E. Scrooge

Seriously though, how are we ever going to compete on a global level if we don't loosen our child labor laws. Minimum age and wage needs to be drastically lowered to compete.

512 prairiefire  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 5:46:09am

Jobless rate declines to 8.8%!

513 Mr. Crankypants  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 5:46:19am

re: #509 Romantic Heretic

I worked on a writing project with a woman in love with power.

That became obvious when I posted my opinion on something at a political forum. She sent me an e-mail making it clear that as long as I worked for her (we were co-authors) I was never again to post any opinions on politics anywhere ever again. And if I had to post, I had to send it to her so she could censor it before I posted it.

Needless to say the project fell apart after that.

I'll be honest. It was my first intimation of how bad things were going to get in the States, politically. She voted for McCain, and thought highly of Palin.

And just how did she think she was going to enforce her dictums? That's what gets me. People who think they have power but really don't.

514 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 5:46:32am

re: #509 Romantic Heretic

I worked on a writing project with a woman in love with power.

That became obvious when I posted my opinion on something at a political forum. She sent me an e-mail making it clear that as long as I worked for her (we were co-authors) I was never again to post any opinions on politics anywhere ever again. And if I had to post, I had to send it to her so she could censor it before I posted it.

Needless to say the project fell apart after that.

I'll be honest. It was my first intimation of how bad things were going to get in the States, politically. She voted for McCain, and thought highly of Palin.

Did you have a contract with her describing your writing duties and riders as to your public activities will attached to this project?

515 Mr. Crankypants  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 5:47:15am

re: #512 prairiefire

Jobless rate declines to 8.8%![Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

It's all Obama's fault!!! Unless it's good news, then he had nothing to do with it.

(Predicting GOPer response to this)

516 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 5:49:18am

re: #515 PT Barnum

"If there's a paycheck in it? I'll believe in anything you say."
-Winston Zeddemore

517 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 5:51:05am

re: #512 prairiefire
Sometimes all that glitters isn't gold:
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

518 The Left  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 5:51:33am

re: #510 PT Barnum

That seems to be a right wing/authoritarian thing going on. They seem dedicated to the idea of smaller government and government staying out of people's lives as long as it doesn't apply to them.

Beverly LaHaye, wife of Tim LaHaye (Left Behind author), is president of Concerned Women of America, and spends her time touring the country giving speeches about how a woman's place is in the home.

Cognitive dissonance, it's what's for dinner.

519 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 5:52:24am

re: #515 PT Barnum

It's all Obama's fault!!! Unless it's good news, then he had nothing to do with it.

(Predicting GOPer response to this)

No... this wasn't President Obama's fault... apparently he didn't have much to do with it at all...

Private employers, the backbone of the economy, drove nearly all of the gains. They added 230,000 jobs last month, on top of 240,000 in February. It was the first time private hiring topped 200,000 in back-to-back months since 2006 -- more than a year before the recession started.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Funny how that works?

520 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 5:54:20am

re: #513 PT Barnum

She was also chief editor at the company publishing the books, and a close friend of the owner. She also made it clear my posting what I did was "unprofessional", with the sotto voce implication that she'd spread the word around if I didn't do what I was told.

In this day and age being called unprofessional is like being accused of child molestation. Just the accusation is enough.

re: #514 Walter L. Newton

No. We had been friends for several years before that. I trusted her.

I don't trust written contracts. If a person's word isn't good no contract will help.

521 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 5:55:43am

re: #518 iceweasel

Beverly LaHaye, wife of Tim LaHaye (Left Behind author), is president of Concerned Women of America, and spends her time touring the country giving speeches about how a woman's place is in the home.

Cognitive dissonance, it's what's for dinner.

Her and Phyillis whatsherface both eh. Interesting factoid I've learned though, in the 70's both Republican first ladies: Pat Nixon and Betty Ford both supported the ERA while Rosylnn Carter I believe opposed. On a personal note but also politically, I always liked the Fords. I think Gerald Ford's probably the last Republican presidential nominee I can see myself voting for. I am not that big on Carter.

522 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 5:58:13am

Morning people, so I face an interesting quagmire as what to take for my final history class which will involved a 20-30 page paper. My choices are Revolutionary Russia which covers Russia from 1880-1930 and the THird Reich and the Holocaust which covers Germany from the rise of the Third Reich in the 20's up until the end of the war in 1945. It's a tough choice since I am interested in both fields and have taken a course with the professor offering the Russian history course. My Russian/Soviet history interests mostly lie in the period after 1930. So, it's an interesting quagmire. A good problem to have and think over this weekend.

523 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 5:59:56am

re: #520 Romantic Heretic


re: #514 Walter L. Newton

No. We had been friends for several years before that. I trusted her.

I don't trust written contracts. If a person's word isn't good no contract will help.

Then it sounds like that was her mistake. She should have had a contract detailing your duties in the writing project and stating any conditions that she would have considered detrimental to the project, such as you making public political statements that could reflect on the company, the project or her. As a "freind" she probably assumed too much, should have been in writing.

Standard procedure, Juan Williams is well aware of that.

524 Jadespring  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:05:58am

Morning all.

Just taking a break from my raccoon battle.

So far I'm losing....

525 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:15:42am

re: #524 Jadespring

Morning all.

Just taking a break from my raccoon battle.

So far I'm losing...

What seems to be the issue? I have a little bit of experience in the raccoon-wrangling area.

526 Jadespring  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:22:01am

re: #525 thedopefishlives

What seems to be the issue? I have a little bit of experience in the raccoon-wrangling area.


Two raccoons are up the tree right outside my chicken coop.
My guardian dog woke me up with some crazy barking. I think she treed them. I knew they were unlikely to leave with the dog there so I locked her up and left them.

They didn't move. It's like they're thinking, if we don't move maybe we can hide. I tried throwing rocks but my aim stinks and it's really high up. I tried the hubby's slingshot and only manage to punch myself in the face. Tried to get a hose out but the damn thing is frozen.

So now I'm trying to figure out what to try next. Can't let the chickens out or the dogs out while they're still there.

527 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:23:56am

re: #526 Jadespring

I tried the hubby's slingshot and only manage to punch myself in the face.

HAHAHAHAHA!

528 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:24:39am

re: #526 Jadespring

Hmm, yeah, that's a bit beyond my experience. I'm more in the area of figuring out how to trap the conniving little buggers.

529 sagehen  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:25:04am

re: #520 Romantic Heretic
I don't trust written contracts. If a person's word isn't good no contract will help.

Even trustworthy people have memory lapses. Written contacts save on the confusion; they also force the parties to consider contingencies they might not otherwise think to discuss before making the agreement.

530 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:25:37am

re: #526 Jadespring

Two raccoons are up the tree right outside my chicken coop.
My guardian dog woke me up with some crazy barking. I think she treed them. I knew they were unlikely to leave with the dog there so I locked her up and left them.

They didn't move. It's like they're thinking, if we don't move maybe we can hide. I tried throwing rocks but my aim stinks and it's really high up. I tried the hubby's slingshot and only manage to punch myself in the face. Tried to get a hose out but the damn thing is frozen.

So now I'm trying to figure out what to try next. Can't let the chickens out or the dogs out while they're still there.

Got a gun?

531 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:27:26am

re: #528 thedopefishlives

Hmm, yeah, that's a bit beyond my experience. I'm more in the area of figuring out how to trap the conniving little buggers.

Last time I had to deal with raccoons was in the 60's. Domesticated one of them and made a pet out of it. Walked it on a leash like a dog, it went everywhere with us.

532 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:28:02am

re: #526 Jadespring

[Link: www.getridofthings.com...]

533 prairiefire  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:28:10am

re: #519 Walter L. Newton

The Camber Of Commerce listened to him.

534 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:30:58am

re: #526 Jadespring

Two raccoons are up the tree right outside my chicken coop.
My guardian dog woke me up with some crazy barking. I think she treed them. I knew they were unlikely to leave with the dog there so I locked her up and left them.

They didn't move. It's like they're thinking, if we don't move maybe we can hide. I tried throwing rocks but my aim stinks and it's really high up. I tried the hubby's slingshot and only manage to punch myself in the face. Tried to get a hose out but the damn thing is frozen.

So now I'm trying to figure out what to try next. Can't let the chickens out or the dogs out while they're still there.

Aren't they mostly nocturnal? They may not move until nighttime.

535 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:33:16am

Interesting article about Kerry Emanuel - a Republican climate scientist who testified for Congress yesterday about the dangers of climate change.

He discusses is party affiliation - and surprise, surprise, why he is considering changing parties due to the anti-science character of today's Republican Party.

[Link: articles.latimes.com...]

536 McSpiff  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:35:35am

re: #448 goddamnedfrank

Think about getting a MobileMe account and syncing your new phone with it. There's an iPhone/iPod Touch finder app that you can use to find any lost devices you've synced to your account.

The Find my Phone app is actually free for the iPhone 4, so no need to pay the $100 a year.

537 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:36:50am

A few years ago I was having a problem with the 'coons getting into my garbage cans so I fabricated an easy lock so they couldn't get the lids off again. While I was out of town I got a call from my wife laughing her butt off. The dogs had woken her up in the middle of the night because a 'coon was trying to get into the trash. She watched him until he gave up and took off. Awhile later the 'coon came back with a buddy and together they knocked my trash cans over and rolled them into the woods. I found one but not the other. I have no idea what they did with it.

538 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:37:51am

re: #537 RogueOne

That there's funny, I don't care who y'are.

539 Jadespring  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:38:51am

re: #527 RogueOne

HAHAHAHAHA!

Yes it was funny. My own personal slapstick. At least I can laugh at it. :) re: #528 thedopefishlives

Hmm, yeah, that's a bit beyond my experience. I'm more in the area of figuring out how to trap the conniving little buggers.

No worries.

re: #530 Walter L. Newton

Got a gun?

No. I wish at least had a pellet gun right now.

re: #534 reine.de.tout

Aren't they mostly nocturnal? They may not move until nighttime.

That's what I'm afraid of.


Maybe it will get warm enough for the hose to unfreeze.

540 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:39:17am

check out this wacko comment I found:

DEAR SIR VIOLENCE IS NEVER THE ANSWER WHETHER AGAINST A POOR DEFENSELESS BABY OR AN ADULT OF A PERSUASION THAT YOU DO NOT LIKE...............and on top of that the statements you have made are misleading do you forget what is a PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT another word for a communist....these communists are like the rest of the communists when they take over they KILL AND KILL AND KILL......... check out youtube and look at vids of communists being interviewed during a protest I can see these people CAPABLE of the usual communist actions ........something i found disturbing in the article is where they will keep aide going AGAIN IF YOU READ THIS MONEY THAT THEY ARE GOING TO SPEND IS ALL POLITICAL......USA SECURITY SO THAT MEANS SUPPORTING WHICH SIDE THE ONES THAT LIKE US OR THE ONES THAT DONT I WANT TO SEE WHO IS GOING TO GET THE MONEY THEY ARE GOING TO SEND

541 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:39:40am

re: #538 thedopefishlives

That there's funny, I don't care who y'are.

Sneaky little bastards. I had to fabricate a little corral where they couldn't knock them down again.

542 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:39:48am

re: #526 Jadespring

I tried the hubby's slingshot and only manage to punch myself in the face. Tried to get a hose out but the damn thing is frozen.

Oh ouch! Now that sequence of events would rile me pretty good.

543 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:39:56am

re: #540 WindUpBird

some website called "foreignpolicy dot com" total wackos in the comments, great reading

544 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:40:04am

re: #539 Jadespring

Maybe it will get warm enough for the hose to unfreeze.

Maybe I'm stating the obvious, but make sure it's as unrolled as it can be and laying in the sun.

545 Jadespring  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:41:34am

re: #544 Walter L. Newton

Maybe I'm stating the obvious, but make sure it's as unrolled as it can be and laying in the sun.

It is. I already made sure of it. Thanks :)

546 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:42:05am

re: #540 WindUpBird

check out this wacko comment I found:

CAPITAL LETTERS, ANGRY, NOBAMA, COMMUNISM!

547 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:42:08am

re: #541 RogueOne

Sneaky little bastards. I had to fabricate a little corral where they couldn't knock them down again.

When we first went to trapping the critters, my dad used a can of wet cat food for bait in the trap. The next morning, we went out to check the trap, and the can was gone. The trap was wide open, it was as if a ghost had come in the night and spirited away the can of cat food. Says Dad, "Two can play at that game, I'll fix the little bugger this time." So he drilled a hole in the side of the can and tied it into the trap with fishing line.

548 Semper Fi  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:43:32am

re: #539 Jadespring

Yes it was funny. My own personal slapstick. At least I can laugh at it. :) re: #528 thedopefishlives

No worries.

re: #530 Walter L. Newton

No. I wish at least had a pellet gun right now.

re: #534 reine.de.tout

That's what I'm afraid of.

Maybe it will get warm enough for the hose to unfreeze.

How long can chickens be cooped up before they're no longer considered free range?
Good morning everyone

549 Jadespring  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:44:57am

Oh wow. Go birds go!!!

Just sitting on my couch watching the damn things and a group of starlings has started bugging the heck out of them. They're circling and dive bombing. Guess they don't appreciate having them so close to their nests.

So far no movement though.

550 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:47:05am

re: #540 WindUpBird

check out this wacko comment I found:

Here's who posted that comment...

Image: mortimer-snerd-dumbcrats-liberals-fail-political-poster-1300130660.jpg

551 Achilles Tang  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:47:25am

re: #352 prononymous

While I believe that both parties are responsible for the problem, I don't think this is a cycle - it has been steady for a long time. Nor do I think it comes down to religion. I think it comes down to neither party being pragmatic when it comes to attracting business and maintaining economic stability - as well as the fact that our society buys mostly on cost regardless of other factors. Ideological stances might sound good but often break down in the real world.

Have a good night.

Morning.
By cycle I mean boom/bust. Over extend/come back to reality and maybe recover for another boom. Maybe. That's relatively short term, but in the long term civilizations have a way of evolving, sometimes badly.

By religion, I don't dismiss the pure religion aspect, which drives many politicians who think they are the chosen ones, but also the somewhat related aspect of economic and political religion. Specifically, taxes are bad and economic controls are bad (only personal controls are good), which leads to the conclusion is that every American entrepreneur needs to be able to compete without help against the entire Chinese nation, for example.

And to take Florida and its bald Tea Party governor as an example; build no infrastructure if it can't be guaranteed to make a profit fast, in the narrowest possible sense.

We buy on cost, but tell me how much manual labor cost goes into making LED or Fluorescent bulbs? I suspect virtually none. It is a capital intensive operation and the machinery in China costs the same as it would in the USA. Why can they do it and we can't?

552 The Left  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:48:34am

re: #540 WindUpBird

check out this wacko comment I found:DEAR SIR VIOLENCE IS NEVER THE ANSWER WHETHER AGAINST A POOR DEFENSELESS BABY OR AN ADULT OF A PERSUASION THAT YOU DO NOT LIKE...and on top of that the statements you have made are misleading do you forget what is a PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT another word for a communist...these communists are like the rest of the communists when they take over they KILL AND KILL AND KILL...

I wanted the clip with 'urge to kill fading....RISING...fading'but couldn't find it.

553 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:51:08am

re: #522 HappyWarrior

Morning people, so I face an interesting quagmire as what to take for my final history class which will involved a 20-30 page paper. My choices are Revolutionary Russia which covers Russia from 1880-1930 and the THird Reich and the Holocaust which covers Germany from the rise of the Third Reich in the 20's up until the end of the war in 1945. It's a tough choice since I am interested in both fields and have taken a course with the professor offering the Russian history course. My Russian/Soviet history interests mostly lie in the period after 1930. So, it's an interesting quagmire. A good problem to have and think over this weekend.

My two cents: take Revolutionary Russia.

Most important, it'll help you break the tendency of folk to think of the center as the German/French border. A /lot/ of what Germany did from 1920 through 1945 was driven by what happened in Russia 1880-1920. Further, much of what Russia was and did during and after WWII is driven by what happened during the revolution. If you look Germany's military deployments in WWII you'll notice the majority goes east, not west, and this will expand the correct but incomplete explanation of seizing oilfields.

The on the other hand is also the reason I make the recommendation. There is much more material available for the German history - just browse the library shelves for a quick confirmation. In the short term this would make your German paper easier given the surplus of material. In the long term, however, it means when you want to increase your knowledge you're stuck with that same imbalance, and add the lack of a knowledgeable guide (your professor) to assist.

554 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:54:15am

re: #553 kirkspencer

My two cents: take Revolutionary Russia.

Most important, it'll help you break the tendency of folk to think of the center as the German/French border. A /lot/ of what Germany did from 1920 through 1945 was driven by what happened in Russia 1880-1920. Further, much of what Russia was and did during and after WWII is driven by what happened during the revolution. If you look Germany's military deployments in WWII you'll notice the majority goes east, not west, and this will expand the correct but incomplete explanation of seizing oilfields.

The on the other hand is also the reason I make the recommendation. There is much more material available for the German history - just browse the library shelves for a quick confirmation. In the short term this would make your German paper easier given the surplus of material. In the long term, however, it means when you want to increase your knowledge you're stuck with that same imbalance, and add the lack of a knowledgeable guide (your professor) to assist.

Thanks, I am weighing both heavily and you're right about the East being of huge importance to understanding WWII. An English professor of mine of all people brought that up (I'm an English minor) and he brought it up in regards to the Polish-Russian immigrants we just got done reading about in a collection of short stories. To clarify, I've taken regular courses on both Russian mostly Soviet history and German. Enjoyed both heavily.

555 prairiefire  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:54:47am

One down, seven to go. Needed signatures gained in half the time to recall WI senator Dan Kapanke:[Link: lacrossetribune.com...]

556 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:56:31am

re: #547 thedopefishlives

When we first went to trapping the critters, my dad used a can of wet cat food for bait in the trap. The next morning, we went out to check the trap, and the can was gone. The trap was wide open, it was as if a ghost had come in the night and spirited away the can of cat food. Says Dad, "Two can play at that game, I'll fix the little bugger this time." So he drilled a hole in the side of the can and tied it into the trap with fishing line.

I have a friend who tried trapping a coon and instead woke up with a very pissed-off possum in the cage. He had to call animal control because he couldn't figure out how to get it out of the cage without getting bit.

557 prairiefire  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:58:28am

Cops, firefighters turn on the GOP:[Link: www.politico.com...]

558 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:03:52am

re: #557 prairiefire

There's also a Ben Smith link this morning to WND that I found very amusing. I won't post but I'll guide people to it:

Birthers suspicious of Trump's foreign mother.
[Link: www.politico.com...]

559 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:04:44am

re: #551 Naso Tang

If you're referring to the HSR link between Tampa and Orlando, then you've got to also consider that the numbers just don't make sense. If you're going to do HSR, you need a population density to make that workable, and that corridor doesn't have it. Moreover, if the idea is to get people out of cars, HSR linking those two cities will simply move people from one rail station to the other - and you'd still need a car to see the various attractions that are no where near rail - think Disney, Sea World, Busch Gardens, etc.

A more economical use of those limited HSR dollars is to make absolutely critical improvements on the NEC - replacing the Portal Bridge which is the site of more bottlenecks and incidents than pretty much anywhere else in the country (the 100 year old swing-bridge is obsolete, routinely fails to operate as it should, and marine traffic causes delays nearly daily). Upgrading the power systems on the NEC should be right behind the Portal Bridge. Then, the new Hudson River tunnels, and a tunnel in Baltimore. Those changes would shave significant time off the commute, improve on-time performance, and makes a whole lot more sense when you look at total current and expected ridership.

But the HSR money was spread all over the place - in the hopes that some project will move ahead to the point where it gets completed eventually. The CA HSR project has just a fraction of the tens of billions needed to get its full system operational, but the initial section is in a more remote area of the state, where the initial acquisition costs are cheaper - just to get something built. That too is what happened in FL - the acquisition costs were low b/c the right of way was the Interstate - federal land, so there wasn't a need to acquire new ROW.

Even though the backers of the FL project claimed to have found a public/private partnership to cover overruns, the Gov canned the project b/c he claimed the state would be on the hook for the overruns.

That's a substantially different situation than the ARC tunnel in NJ, which Gov. Christie canned b/c NJ would be on the hook for all overruns, and NY and the feds weren't going to kick in a dime towards overruns (or in NY's case - nothing at all for any aspect of the project that would significantly benefit NY). The replacement proposal - the Gateway project, would have funding come from NY and NJ, and Amtrak would be the overall manager, but some transit observers complain that NJ Transit gets shorted b/c they wont run nearly as many trains into Manhattan (my rebuttal is that NJ Transit can't afford to run its current fleet - and engaged in schedule cuts - so there's little chance that they can add train service once a new tunnel opens without significantly jacking up fares, which is a self-defeating purpose since the last increase in fares saw a decrease in ridership).

560 prairiefire  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:05:47am

re: #558 RogueOne

Yeah, cuz the Scots are sooo scary. Actually, maybe so in a bar brawl.

561 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:08:58am

re: #560 prairiefire

Yeah, cuz the Scots are sooo scary. Actually, maybe so in a bar brawl.

Trump is obviously a Scottish Muslim. Gosh, though they're suspicious of him for having a foreign born mother. Both of Andrew Jackson's folks were from Ulster. Do birthers seriously think you can't be American fi your folks are foreign born? That seems to be the implication first with Obama and now Trump.

562 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:10:00am

re: #561 HappyWarrior

Trump is obviously a Scottish Muslim. Gosh, though they're suspicious of him for having a foreign born mother. Both of Andrew Jackson's folks were from Ulster. Do birthers seriously think you can't be American fi your folks are foreign born? That seems to be the implication first with Obama and now Trump.

One could argue, then, that the only Americans are the Native Americans. I doubt that's what these idiots have in mind, though.

563 prairiefire  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:10:10am

re: #561 HappyWarrior

Trump is obviously a Scottish Muslim. Gosh, though they're suspicious of him for having a foreign born mother. Both of Andrew Jackson's folks were from Ulster. Do birthers seriously think you can't be American fi your folks are foreign born? That seems to be the implication first with Obama and now Trump.

Its not very good critical thinking, that's for sure.

564 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:11:34am

re: #562 thedopefishlives

One could argue, then, that the only Americans are the Native Americans. I doubt that's what these idiots have in mind, though.

Ha, yeah I doubt it.

565 prairiefire  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:12:14am

Wow, people are really paying attention to the new congress ~

"But by the time the new House Republican majority arrived in Washington in January shouting a mantra of spending cuts rather than the campaign slogan of jobs, the percentage of trade union members who called themselves Democrats jumped to 63 percent while the self-described Republicans fell to 18 percent – and that was before the Wisconsin and Ohio collective bargaining fights went from rumors to the nation’s front pages."

566 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:12:52am

re: #563 prairiefire

Its not very good critical thinking, that's for sure.

Yeah the whole kock they have on Obama seems to be that his father was foreign born (so, what?) and he spent much of his childhood abroad (using their logic children of diplomats & servicepeople aren't real Americans*.

567 The Left  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:14:36am

re: #560 prairiefire

Yeah, cuz the Scots are sooo scary. Actually, maybe so in a bar brawl.

You've never heard of the Glasgow Kiss?

Or seen trainspotting?

/

568 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:15:59am

re: #558 RogueOne

There's also a Ben Smith link this morning to WND that I found very amusing. I won't post but I'll guide people to it:

Birthers suspicious of Trump's foreign mother.
[Link: www.politico.com...]

I love it. The irony is positively delicious. Live by the derp, die by the derp.

569 Lidane  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:16:08am

re: #566 HappyWarrior

Yeah the whole kock they have on Obama seems to be that his father was foreign born (so, what?) and he spent much of his childhood abroad (using their logic children of diplomats & servicepeople aren't real Americans*.

But he's a Scary Black Man with a funny name, and he had the nerve to beat the old white guy to become POTUS. This is clearly unforgivable. ///

570 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:16:46am

re: #567 iceweasel

That clip needs subtitles. Sounded like they were speaking Ozzy.

571 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:17:21am

It's April 1st... everyone up early looking waiting for their welfare checks?

572 prairiefire  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:17:35am

re: #566 HappyWarrior

Yeah the whole kock they have on Obama seems to be that his father was foreign born (so, what?) and he spent much of his childhood abroad (using their logic children of diplomats & servicepeople aren't real Americans*.

I know someone 2 and 1/2 years ago who had a very emotional response to Obama's years in Indonesia. "I don't know, it's a very foreign place." Scarrrrrryyyy!
She jumped right on that as a safe defense of her fear and hatred.

573 Lidane  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:18:09am

re: #567 iceweasel

You've never heard of the Glasgow Kiss?

Or the Glasgow smile? Think Heath Ledger's version of The Joker and you'll know what it looks like.

574 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:18:42am

re: #572 prairiefire

If we're not careful those foreigners will start moving here or something. Pretty soon they'll put up a big statue welcoming them in! Stay vigilant.

575 The Left  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:19:08am

re: #570 RogueOne

That clip needs subtitles. Sounded like they were speaking Ozzy.

Seriously?
My own babel fish isn't working properly yet here. I can understand trainspotting, but sometimes I can't understand a few people here because of their accent.

576 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:19:09am

re: #571 Walter L. Newton

No, just preparing the flounce manifestos, or signing on with the NBPP.

Me, I'm preparing to announce my signing on with Alex Jones as his new spokesman.

577 prairiefire  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:19:11am

re: #567 iceweasel

You've never heard of the Glasgow Kiss?

Or seen trainspotting?

[Video]/

I grew up with hard charging Scottish American men. I'm a descendent of the original Farmer Brown./

578 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:20:21am

re: #572 prairiefire

I know someone 2 and 1/2 years ago who had a very emotional response to Obama's years in Indonesia. "I don't know, it's a very foreign place." Scarrryyy!
She jumped right on that as a safe defense of her fear and hatred.

It just sounds ridiculous to me. I mean yeah certainly Obama's upbringing was different in that he spend some years of his childhood abroad but in a way everyone's experiences are different.I for one get most angry when the nuts attack Obama's parents especially his mother.

579 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:20:49am

re: #575 iceweasel

Seriously?
My own babel fish isn't working properly yet here. I can understand trainspotting, but sometimes I can't understand a few people here because of their accent.

My great-great-grandfather moved to Kentucky from somewhere in scotland. I can understand hillbilly but the scot accent stumps me.

580 The Left  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:21:10am

re: #573 Lidane

Or the Glasgow smile? Think Heath Ledger's version of The Joker and you'll know what it looks like.

Ugh, I hadn't heard of that one. Stabby old Scotland.

Jimmah's dad is visiting us this week, arriving today. It's going to mean a lot of pub time.

I'm making lasagna. I will not deep fry it. /

581 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:21:47am

re: #561 HappyWarrior

Trump is obviously a Scottish Muslim. Gosh, though they're suspicious of him for having a foreign born mother. Both of Andrew Jackson's folks were from Ulster. Do birthers seriously think you can't be American fi your folks are foreign born? That seems to be the implication first with Obama and now Trump.

As LVQ has frequently noted and others like me have added, there's a strong echo of 1930s Germany to these people. In this case I note again the Nuremberg and Reich Citizenshiplaws. (Simplistically, the summary is the former said only first class citizens had all rights, and the latter defined first class citizens as those who had all parents and grandparents born in Germany - with the exception of those with at least one Jew in the set.)

582 prairiefire  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:23:34am

re: #575 iceweasel

Seriously?
My own babel fish isn't working properly yet here. I can understand trainspotting, but sometimes I can't understand a few people here because of their accent.

They could do it on purpose. Watch to see if they get a smug smile on their face.

583 The Left  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:26:24am

re: #582 prairiefire

They could do it on purpose. Watch to see if they get a smug smile on their face.

There's a Scots language issue. So it isn't accent but vocabulary too.

584 prairiefire  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:28:16am

re: #583 iceweasel

There's a Scots language issue. So it isn't accent but vocabulary too.

I've got a tea towel with phrases on it. I will post it later when I have the time. Have a good day, folks.

585 The Left  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:29:19am

Where is Killgore?

Pentagon Art: $600,000 Gurgling Toad Sculpture

A $600,000 frog sculpture that lights up, gurgles "sounds of nature" and carries a 10-foot fairy girl on its back could soon be greeting Defense Department employees who plan to start working at the $700 million Mark Center in Alexandria, Va. this fall. That is unless a new controversy over the price tag of the public art doesn't torpedo the idea.

Decried as wasteful spending that will be seen by just a couple thousand of daily workers who arrive on bus shuttles, foes have tried to delay the decision, expected tomorrow, April 1. But in an E-mail, an Army Corps of Engineers official said that the decision can't be held up because it would impact completion of the huge project.

586 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:31:13am

Wis. Dems To File First Recall Petitions Against GOP State Sen. Dan Kapanke

Recall organizer Pat Scheller said volunteers have gathered more than the 15,588 signatures needed and that they plan to take them to Madison after a noon rally today at La Crosse City Hall.

It is expected to be the first completed of 19 active recall efforts registered between Feb. 24 and March 2 against 16 senators.

587 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:32:23am

re: #585 iceweasel

Where is Killgore?

Pentagon Art: $600,000 Gurgling Toad Sculpture

Nice!

588 Lidane  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:35:46am

Going to the Google homepage and searching for Helvetica changes everything on the screen to Comic Sans. LOL!

589 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:36:14am

re: #579 RogueOne

My great-great-grandfather moved to Kentucky from somewhere in scotland. I can understand hillbilly but the scot accent stumps me.

Some of my family on the Irish side speak in an accent so thick I literally have no idea what they are saying half the time. I'll ask them to repeat themselves a few times, then one of them will ultimately answer me in their best impression of an American accent, which I must say is hilarious. I never really realized how nasal the American accent must sound to a foreigner before that.

590 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:37:42am

re: #588 Lidane

Going to the Google homepage and searching for Helvetica changes everything on the screen to Comic Sans. LOL!

Google always does pretty good with their April Fool's easter eggs.

591 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:38:08am

BENGHAZI, Libya — Libya's rebels will agree to a cease-fire if Muammar al-Qaddafi pulls his military forces out of cities and allows peaceful protests against his regime, an opposition leader said Friday.

Read more: [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

592 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:38:43am

re: #585 iceweasel

Where is Killgore?

Pentagon Art: $600,000 Gurgling Toad Sculpture

...Decried as wasteful spending that will be seen by just a couple thousand of daily workers who arrive on bus shuttles...

This argument has always stuck in my craw. Nobody objects to the art being put where only executives can see it, but put something up for "just the commuters" and we get this two-pronged (by implication) argument: too few see it, and they wouldn't appreciate it anyway.

Bah.

593 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:39:49am

re: #585 iceweasel

Where is Killgore?

Pentagon Art: $600,000 Gurgling Toad Sculpture

I'm all for supporting the arts, but holy crap, that doesn't mean we have to buy the artist a new yacht for what couldn't represent more than a couple months worth of work. A dozen artists could be supported for a year on that kind of money.

594 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:40:33am

re: #587 Killgore Trout

Best thematic art installed at a government building may be the one at the CIA headquarters call Kryptos.

It's a cryptographer's dream (or nightmare, depending on how you look at it, given that no one has broken the code on the 4th of 4 sections).

595 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:41:03am

re: #593 Fozzie Bear

I'm all for supporting the arts, but holy crap, that doesn't mean we have to buy the artist a new yacht for what couldn't represent more than a couple months worth of work. A dozen artists could be supported for a year on that kind of money.

That thing is fuggin ugly.

596 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:43:33am

re: #592 kirkspencer

Seriously, though, 600 large for that? We can support the arts without dumping heaps of cash on one individual artist. I enthusiastically support patronage of the arts, but obviously, the artist who made that sculpture doesn't need the government's help if he is charging that kind of money for a single sculpture.

597 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:44:15am

re: #594 lawhawk

Best thematic art installed at a government building may be the one at the CIA headquarters call Kryptos.

It's a cryptographer's dream (or nightmare, depending on how you look at it, given that no one has broken the code on the 4th of 4 sections).

That is pretty cool.

598 Lidane  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:44:17am

re: #590 thedopefishlives

Google always does pretty good with their April Fool's easter eggs.

I saw this one the second time around:

[Link: www.google.com...]

I finally found my summer internship. Hehe.

599 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:48:45am

re: #593 Fozzie Bear

I'm all for supporting the arts, but holy crap, that doesn't mean we have to buy the artist a new yacht for what couldn't represent more than a couple months worth of work. A dozen artists could be supported for a year on that kind of money.

And that tells me you haven't sculpted - or for that matter, haven't tried to make an art business run.

A sculpt of that size is pretty close to a year long project. It's going to require a lot of laborers, too, not least being those at the foundry shop who will, I promise, charge their fair share for molding, pouring, and casting the pieces. Gotta haul the pieces to the site (which has to be prepared to accept that much concentrated weight) and somebody(s) has to hold the pieces in place while they're welded. Then there's cleaning and polishing the welds and putting on the patina. You've got to pay for the wax and the clay and the bracing rods while sculpting and for each of the intermediate stages and...

Unless the artist is a "name" the odds are he or she won't make much more than 10% as "income". That's $60,000 for a year of work.

600 Interesting Times  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:49:53am

[Link: mail.google.com...]

The mouse and keyboard were invented before the Internet even existed. Since then, countless technological advancements have allowed for much more efficient human computer interaction. Why then do we continue to use outdated technology? Introducing Gmail Motion -- now you can control Gmail with your body.

:D

601 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:54:50am

re: #596 Fozzie Bear

Seriously, though, 600 large for that? We can support the arts without dumping heaps of cash on one individual artist. I enthusiastically support patronage of the arts, but obviously, the artist who made that sculpture doesn't need the government's help if he is charging that kind of money for a single sculpture.

Since the wingnuts have been excited about the story for the past few days I just assume the numbers are probably exaggerated or there's more to the story. It's probably part of a new wave to defund the National Endowment for the Arts. We have much bigger fiscal problems than artists, teachers and birth control.

602 elizajane  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:57:15am

re: #599 kirkspencer

Thank you, good points about costs vs. benefits in a large, complex sculpture.

I went to the website of the artist, Cheryl Foster. She's made some wonderful things, gorgeous mosaics. She is an interesting artist and very eclectic. However, I just feel like she made a poor decision on this one. The planned sculpture is slightly ridiculous and doesn't seem particularly appropriate to its context. It leaves her and her patron open to ridicule, which his what it's getting.

603 Gus  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:58:21am

re: #596 Fozzie Bear

Seriously, though, 600 large for that? We can support the arts without dumping heaps of cash on one individual artist. I enthusiastically support patronage of the arts, but obviously, the artist who made that sculpture doesn't need the government's help if he is charging that kind of money for a single sculpture.

I seriously doubt she's going to get 600 grand. That's likely the total price for the artwork and installation. She won't be getting 600K.

604 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:00:46am

re: #599 kirkspencer

I have a large format metal sculptor in my family. He makes pieces far larger and more complex than that thing for about 1/6 the cost, and he lives very, very well. I'm not buying that that thing cost anywhere near 600k to produce. Not even close.

Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if the figure was inflated by wingnut critics of the NEA, and institution which, if anything, should have far more funding than it does. I'm just commenting on that particular piece, assuming it cost what the article says it does.

(Not only that, but really, that thing is fugly. That is not some kind of groundbreaking work. My grandmother wears cheesy knit sweaters with more thought-provoking teddy bears on them than that thing.)

605 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:01:00am

re: #602 elizajane

Thank you, good points about costs vs. benefits in a large, complex sculpture.

I went to the website of the artist, Cheryl Foster. She's made some wonderful things, gorgeous mosaics. She is an interesting artist and very eclectic. However, I just feel like she made a poor decision on this one. The planned sculpture is slightly ridiculous and doesn't seem particularly appropriate to its context. It leaves her and her patron open to ridicule, which his what it's getting.

Now that argument makes sense. Me, I like the whimsy - yet another commuter, just a slightly different ride.

I'll also point out that there were apparently several original suggestions, and this is one of the final four. So while Cheryl Foster may or may not have made a poor decision, it was good enough to get to this point.

606 Gus  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:02:04am

Outrage! But let's not mention that the total project for this site is almost 1 billion and it's for the Army Corps of Engineers. So, here's what I found:

BRAC: Mark Center Transportation Center Public Art Project Look for Cheryl Foster. Here's her website.

First link has links to the proposal, display board, and sculpture image. Again it's under Cheryl Foster.

607 elizajane  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:04:01am

re: #606 Gus 802

Outrage! But let's not mention that the total project for this site is almost 1 billion and it's for the Army Corps of Engineers.

Ah, so, the entire project was massively expensive, but the outrage is over a work of art that represents a minuscule fraction of that budget.
My God, how predictable can the right wing get?

608 Gus  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:04:11am

Other than that... Jimmy crack corn, and I don't care...

Did you hear the one about the US Army soldiers that murdered Afghan civilian "for the fun of it"? And many in their unit didn't say a peep even when they knew this was going on? Now that's something to be outraged about. Think of how much money was spent on training these "soldiers".

609 Gus  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:05:48am

re: #607 elizajane

I imagine they'll be sending her hate emails and phone messages. Because that's what wingers do.

610 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:06:08am

re: #594 lawhawk

Hey Lawhawk! Since you are here and since we are talking about art, maybe you can solve a mystery for me. On the opening credits of the TV show Damages they do a montage of NYC places & show a statue (I think it might be lady justice, but maybe not) but the figure is standing on skulls. Do you know this one?

611 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:06:21am

re: #608 Gus 802

Theres a term for what happened there: war crimes. I hope those soldiers get a full and fair investigation into that matter, and that turns out to indeed be what really happened, they should be dealt with as we deal with any other war criminals.

612 The Left  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:06:39am

re: #608 Gus 802

Other than that... Jimmy crack corn, and I don't care...

Did you hear the one about the US Army soldiers that murdered Afghan civilian "for the fun of it"? And many in their unit didn't say a peep even when they knew this was going on? Now that's something to be outraged about. Think of how much money was spent on training these "soldiers".

I did hear, and I didn't page it because I was so disgusted and just worn out.

613 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:06:51am

re: #611 Fozzie Bear

*and IF that turns out to be...

PIMF

614 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:08:45am

Sort of an update on the Connick v. Thompson supreme court ruling last week:

The Criminal Justice System and Prosecutorial Immunity: Time to Upset the Apple Cart
[Link: thetrialwarrior.com...]


“Why”, as one commenter, Ted Folkman asked “was the prosecutor who was the actual wrongdoer not liable?” Could not the plaintiff simply have sued the prosecutor who intentionally withheld the evidence of the crime lab report? Even Justice Scalia’s concurrence refers to the “miscreant prosecutor Gerry Deegan’s willful suppression of evidence…in an effort to railroad Thompson”.

The short answer is No. In Imbler v. Pachtman, 424 U.S. 409 (1976), the U.S. Supreme Court established absolute immunity for district attorneys or prosecutors from civil suits resulting from their government duties.

Some will argue that Imbler does not go so far, as prosecutors are subject to criminal prosecution or professional discipline by state bar associations for suppressing evidence or otherwise putting the administration of justice into disrepute.

No. Not really.

As Margaret Z. Johns in her article, “ Reconsidering Absolute Prosecutorial Immunity ” 2005 BYU L. REV. 53 at 69-71 notes:

“…just as the adversary process fails to prevent or correct prosecutorial misconduct, disciplinary proceedings are also inadequate to address the problem because they are rarely instituted against prosecutors. Specifically, the report by the Center for Public Integrity found that since 1970 there were more than 2000 cases of prosecutorial misconduct requiring appellate correction for harmful error. But there were only forty-four instances in which disciplinary action was taken and only two disbarments.


615 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:10:52am

Your daily dose of racism from Fox Nation: Democrats Seek to 'Dissolve' Majority White Cities in Georgia

This is some sorry cr@p. There are Two main groups of racists in this country, skin heads and bl@cks. Guess who's the bigger racists?
....
We have bent over backwards to extend opportunity after opportunity to the blee acks to advance themselves. Du mb ed down our whole educational system so they can feel equal. Lowered job testing so they won't actually have to have accomplished anything to get a job. Paid for homes,food, education and medical care ,just to mention a few things. And now cities are to wh ite. GIVE ME A BRE AK

616 Gus  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:11:05am

re: #613 Fozzie Bear

*and IF that turns out to be...

PIMF

Well. It did happen. Cpl. Jeremy Morlock was sentenced to 24 years. The investigation continues on the "Kill Team".

617 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:11:05am

re: #606 Gus 802

It's my understanding that many localities require that a percentage of construction costs for these kinds of projects goes for art installations, so that amount may well be within the percentage allocated for those purposes. For example, if you're building in NYC, there's a requirement that no less than 1% of the first $20 million dollars, plus no less than 0.5% of the amount over $20 million dollars be allocated for art work in any public building that is owned by the city (max $400,000).

618 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:12:30am

re: #611 Fozzie Bear

Theres a term for what happened there: war crimes. I hope those soldiers get a full and fair investigation into that matter, and that turns out to indeed be what really happened, they should be dealt with as we deal with any other war criminals.

One has already taken a plea deal:
[Link: www.seattlepi.com...]

There was a small group involved and they were narked out by a fellow soldier. The rolling stone piece has some bad exaggerations which is totally unnecessary since the story is bad enough on its own.

619 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:13:55am

re: #614 RogueOne

In practice, state bar associations almost never do more than disbar attorneys guilty of that sort of malfeasance. Losing your professional license for deliberately using the justice system as one's personal army doesn't seem to me to be a proportional response.

There are stories regarding things I have seen DA's do which unfortunately I can't tell here that would curl your hair. The bar association doesn't even blink at these kinds of charges. As a matter of practice, the PA bar never goes after DA's. Ever. It almost doesn't matter what they do.

620 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:14:39am

re: #606 Gus 802

Don't care. They shouldn't be doing it.

621 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:14:42am

re: #616 Gus 802

Well. It did happen. Cpl. Jeremy Morlock was sentenced to 24 years. The investigation continues on the "Kill Team".

Morlock: what an appropriate name.

622 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:15:37am

re: #619 Fozzie Bear

When you start off with the assumption that prosecutors/police are allowed to lie to defendants it can only go down hill from there.

623 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:15:54am

re: #621 Alouette

Morlock: what an appropriate name.

SFZ noticed that right off too.

624 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:18:01am

re: #616 Gus 802

Well. It did happen. Cpl. Jeremy Morlock was sentenced to 24 years. The investigation continues on the "Kill Team".

On January 15th, 2010, U.S. soldiers in Bravo Company stationed near Kandahar executed an unarmed Afghan boy named Gul Mudin in the village of La Mohammad Kalay. Reports by soldiers at the scene indicate that Mudin was about 15 years old. According to sworn statements, two soldiers – Cpl. Jeremy Morlock and Pfc. Andrew Holmes – staged the killing to make it look like they had been under attack. Ordering the boy to stand still, they crouched behind a mud wall, tossed a grenade at him and opened fire from close range. This photograph shows Mudin’s body lying by the wall where he was killed.

In a break with protocol, the soldiers also took photographs of themselves celebrating their kill. In the photos, Morlock grins and gives a thumbs-up sign as he poses with Mudin’s body. Note that the boy’s right pinky finger appears to have been severed. Staff Sgt. Calvin Gibbs reportedly used a pair of razor-sharp medic’s shears to cut off the finger, which he presented to Holmes as a trophy for killing his first Afghan.

That's just indescribably sick. 24 years for that is a joke.

625 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:18:53am

re: #621 Alouette

Morlock: what an appropriate name.

ELOLI!

626 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:19:38am

re: #610 Stanley Sea

Never watched the show, but if this:

Is the promo you're talking about, then the shot of the skulls (at 20 seconds) may not be from a statue of Justice but from a completely different sculpture, possibly from the NY County Courthouse at Foley Square - don't know for sure.

627 Gus  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:20:21am

re: #624 Fozzie Bear

That's just indescribably sick. 24 years for that is a joke.

24 years is a joke -- he should have gotten life.

628 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:20:39am

re: #622 RogueOne

When you start off with the assumption that prosecutors/police are allowed to lie to defendants it can only go down hill from there.

Dude, you have no idea. There are things that happen in courtrooms every day that never make the papers that would blow your fucking mind.

629 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:21:03am

re: #627 Gus 802

24 years is a joke -- he should have gotten life.

... in an Afghani prison, imo.

630 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:22:44am

re: #626 lawhawk

On further review, it looks like this statue is the source of that image. It's located at the US Customs House in Lower Manhattan and designed by Daniel Chester French.

631 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:22:48am

re: #626 lawhawk

Never watched the show, but if this:

[Video]Is the promo you're talking about, then the shot of the skulls (at 20 seconds) may not be from a statue of Justice but from a completely different sculpture, possibly from the NY County Courthouse at Foley Square - don't know for sure.

That's IT! I'm going to google fu this again.

632 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:22:52am

re: #622 RogueOne

When you start off with the assumption that prosecutors/police are allowed to lie to defendants it can only go down hill from there.

Parenthetically, this is exactly the reason that the death penalty is unworkable in practice, imo. Too many innocent people are convicted, too often, for it to make sense. Life in prison is sufficient punishment for any crime.

633 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:23:09am

re: #604 Fozzie Bear

I have a large format metal sculptor in my family. He makes pieces far larger and more complex than that thing for about 1/6 the cost, and he lives very, very well. I'm not buying that that thing cost anywhere near 600k to produce. Not even close.

Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if the figure was inflated by wingnut critics of the NEA, and institution which, if anything, should have far more funding than it does. I'm just commenting on that particular piece, assuming it cost what the article says it does.

(Not only that, but really, that thing is fugly. That is not some kind of groundbreaking work. My grandmother wears cheesy knit sweaters with more thought-provoking teddy bears on them than that thing.)

Would you do me a favor? Talk to your sculptor uncle, taking him the specs and other info (found by #606 Gus 802), and ask him what he'd charge for making and installing a comparable work?

See, my experience is that my extended family always underestimates what I'd charge and overestimates how much I'm getting for my non-art and art work, and they do the same for the two sculptpors in my extended family as well. But I could be wrong, and invite fact to further inform my personal experience.

Secondarily - you think it fugly, I like it. Odd, how art works that way.

634 Gus  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:23:45am

re: #629 Fozzie Bear

... in an Afghani prison, imo.

Probably not possible. In other AFPAK news... UN staff killed during protest in northern Afghanistan. 8 dead and apparently this was over some "Koran burning".

635 Gus  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:31:05am

re: #620 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't care. They shouldn't be doing it.

Well, it's not the artists fault obviously. That is if the spending is too high. If they don't want any artwork than they should ask for artwork. Otherwise, the artists will send proposals to make a living as we all have to do.

In the meantime. Americans will expend well over 600K in time an energy fuming over this sculpture. Funny how that works.

636 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:33:59am

re: #635 Gus 802

Of course it is not the artist's fault. But, we ain't got the money to be spending it on this type of stuff.

Just ain't got the money.

637 Gus  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:35:34am

Wingnut at Hot Air chimes in:

DADT gets repealed and a few months later the Pentagon wants a 10-foot fairy statue. Coincidence?
Mark1971 on April 1, 2011 at 8:45 AM

What an idiot. It's not for the Pentagon it's for the City of Alexandria. And a homophobe.

638 Gus  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:36:44am

re: #636 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Of course it is not the artist's fault. But, we ain't got the money to be spending it on this type of stuff.

Just ain't got the money.

Yep. Not enough money. Although the irony here is that this is for a transportation center related to the Army Corps of Engineers. Now I'm thinking about hurricane Katrina.

639 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:37:01am

re: #605 kirkspencer

Now that argument makes sense. Me, I like the whimsy - yet another commuter, just a slightly different ride.

I'll also point out that there were apparently several original suggestions, and this is one of the final four. So while Cheryl Foster may or may not have made a poor decision, it was good enough to get to this point.

Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to my opinion that the thing is a cheesy monstrosity. I'm sure the artist is a very sweet person, but if I was on the committee in charge of approving artworks, I would thumbs down this one.

640 treasured people  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:39:04am

re: #634 Gus 802

From your link:
'Protesters shouted "Death to the USA, Death to Israel" after Friday prayers, and went on to attack the compound.'

Interesting that after billions pumped into Iraq and Afghanistan, the ordinary person in those countries apparently hates the USA and, needless to say, Israel as well.

641 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:39:35am

re: #636 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Of course it is not the artist's fault. But, we ain't got the money to be spending it on this type of stuff.

Just ain't got the money.

Ah. And with that we return to my original point. We have to pinch pennies, so just make it a concrete tunnel painted industrial green. Don't do anything to relieve the drudgery of the workers now or in the future, they're here for WORK and shouldn't waste time enjoying anything...

Yeah, a bit of sarcasm, yet it's what I see that position as being.

642 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:40:50am

Someone must be doing something right. Highway deaths have fallen to lowest levels since 1948 in absolute terms, and that's with a significantly higher number of people on the roads, and more miles driven. The rate of deaths per 100 million miles traveled is estimated to have hit a record low of 1.09 in 2010, the lowest since 1949. The previous record was in 2009, which had a rate of 1.13 deaths per 100 million miles traveled.

643 Gus  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:40:57am

re: #640 treasured people

From your link:
'Protesters shouted "Death to the USA, Death to Israel" after Friday prayers, and went on to attack the compound.'

Interesting that after billions pumped into Iraq and Afghanistan, the ordinary person in those countries apparently hates the USA and, needless to say, Israel as well.

This "war" in Afghanistan is a no win proposition. Americans will realize this in about 50 years or so after they spent trillions of dollars and 1000s of American lives.

644 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:41:34am

re: #641 kirkspencer

Ah. And with that we return to my original point. We have to pinch pennies, so just make it a concrete tunnel painted industrial green. Don't do anything to relieve the drudgery of the workers now or in the future, they're here for WORK and shouldn't waste time enjoying anything...

Yeah, a bit of sarcasm, yet it's what I see that position as being.

How about a "Willy Wonka" boat ride as they enter the facility?

645 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:41:42am

re: #640 treasured people

Death to Israel is almost reflexive in many parts of the world where regimes use "Israel" to deflect attention from their decrepit rule.

646 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:41:46am

re: #641 kirkspencer

Ah. And with that we return to my original point. We have to pinch pennies, so just make it a concrete tunnel painted industrial green. Don't do anything to relieve the drudgery of the workers now or in the future, they're here for WORK and shouldn't waste time enjoying anything...

Yeah, a bit of sarcasm, yet it's what I see that position as being.

The architecture design itself could benefit from 600k of extra funding, imo. There's no reason the building itself can't be uplifting and inspiring without plopping the fairy frog jocky at the terminal. Just my opinion.

647 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:43:46am

re: #643 Gus 802

This "war" in Afghanistan is a no win proposition. Americans will realize this in about 50 years or so after they spent trillions of dollars and 1000s of American lives.

Afghanistan has truly earned its title as the "graveyard of empires". We don't need to hop on the pile to prove it further. We need to get the hell out, yesterday.

648 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:44:25am

re: #639 Alouette

Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to my opinion that the thing is a cheesy monstrosity. I'm sure the artist is a very sweet person, but if I was on the committee in charge of approving artworks, I would thumbs down this one.

Yep. And again I point out it is one of four options, from which one will actually be chosen. There is no way any of the four will be preferred by all members of the committee, and I'd lay money that each of the four have someone who will think it expensive junk at best - quite possibly someone on the committee.

649 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:44:59am

Former New Orleans police officer Greg McRae sentenced to 17 years for burning man's body after Katrina
[Link: www.nola.com...]


Former police officer Greg McRae was sentenced this morning to more than 17 years in federal prison for burning Henry Glover's body after he was shot by a fellow police officer in the days after Hurricane Katrina.

U.S. District Judge Lance Africk immediately remanded McRae to federal authorities.

The sentence of 207 months was imposed by Africk, shortly after he ordered former officer David Warren -- who shot Glover -- to spend more than 25 years in federal prison.

Africk called McRae's conduct "barbaric," saying it was "unforgivable" to burn Glover's body -- particular for a 26-year police veteran.

650 McSpiff  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:45:01am

re: #645 lawhawk

Death to Israel is almost reflexive in many parts of the world where regimes use "Israel" to deflect attention from their decrepit rule.

Except this particular regime is very much of our own creation. If the Afghan government is encouraging anti-Israeli sentiment I'd say that's a pretty large failure on the part of the coalition.

651 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:45:27am
652 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:46:19am

re: #641 kirkspencer


Well, I'm half and half. We do have money to spend on art, and spending on art for a workplace makes sense, both as an investment and a morale thing.

I don't think that we have to pay the top-dollar artists, though. I think the interest of the public would be much better served by finding more starting-out artists, rather than established ones, or, if the situation is right, involving the community.

These are the steps that my brother's aunt-in-law designed and helped to create, in SF. I love them. [Link: www.tiledsteps.org...]

However, I think the main purpose of this "OMG the sculpture costs so much" foofrah is just distraction. The percentage of the budget it and other art spending constitutes is small. The amount wasted in other areas is much more significant.

653 Achilles Tang  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:46:26am

re: #261 Dark_Falcon

No one is 'blaming' anyone. My father simply sees China as a strategic rival and consequentially does not wish to buy from them while they maintain a strong trade imbalance with us.

The only way to correct a trade imbalance is to make what we buy, not avoid buying it by a few.

654 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:46:46am

re: #646 Fozzie Bear

The architecture design itself could benefit from 600k of extra funding, imo. There's no reason the building itself can't be uplifting and inspiring without plopping the fairy frog jocky at the terminal. Just my opinion.

It's DOD, man! Should be a statue of a "Shark riding on an elephant's back, just trampling and eating everything in sight"...

(Thanks Jack Handy)

655 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:46:50am

re: #649 RogueOne

Former New Orleans police officer Greg McRae sentenced to 17 years for burning man's body after Katrina
[Link: www.nola.com...]

This story was covered at length on This American Life. That story literally gave me nightmares.

656 McSpiff  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:47:05am

re: #650 McSpiff

For the record, my own particular bias is that while we need to work with the afghan people, setting up a "democratic government" to run the country prematurely was a huge mistake.

657 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:47:11am

re: #646 Fozzie Bear

The building is nearly finished.

[Link: oxblue.com...]

658 Gus  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:48:21am

re: #657 lawhawk

The building is nearly finished.

[Link: oxblue.com...]

Is that in Moscow?

//

659 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:49:12am

re: #648 kirkspencer

Yep. And again I point out it is one of four options, from which one will actually be chosen. There is no way any of the four will be preferred by all members of the committee, and I'd lay money that each of the four have someone who will think it expensive junk at best - quite possibly someone on the committee.

Where can we view pics of the other three options?

660 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:49:17am

re: #658 Gus 802

What a country!

661 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:50:04am

re: #658 Gus 802

You know there's an actual style called 'Brutalist'?

Boston City Hall is a great terrible example:

Image: 800px-Boston_City_Hall.JPG

So Brazil.

662 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:50:29am

I think this classifies as "Ironic":

Concord's top female police employee sued for sexual harassment
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]


The highest ranking woman with the Concord Police Department who has filed two sexual harassment lawsuits over the past 12-years, and collected close to $300,000, is now being sued for sexual harassment by a female civilian police employee, according to court documents obtained by CLAYCORD.com.

Lt. Robin Heinemann recently settled a sexual harassment lawsuit against the Concord Police Department for $150,000, and now, Wendy Schwartzenberger, who was supervised by Heinemann for several years at the Northern Field Office, says she was sexually assaulted several times by Heinemann, who is the only female lieutenant within the Concord Police Department.

There are no pictures so I can't tell if she's guilty or not.//

663 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:53:08am

re: #646 Fozzie Bear

The architecture design itself could benefit from 600k of extra funding, imo. There's no reason the building itself can't be uplifting and inspiring without plopping the fairy frog jocky at the terminal. Just my opinion.

The building itself, as noted above, is getting close to $1 Billion spent on it. I think that another $600,000 would do little to change it.

The artwork (and again I'll point out this is not necessarily the final choice) is in actuality part of the design. Put a large object somewhere and it breaks the flow. It can also act as a screen to necessary but unappealing (yeah, i know, frog is fugly iyo) elements, be they cabling or security stations or something else again.

Finally, I point out that while once in a while that is a valid argument, if yielded to you end up with NO artwork beyond architecture. Like all art media, it works for some and for others it is nothing. By forcing the inclusion of another media you wind up improving the whole -- subtly, but definitely.

664 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:54:58am

re: #585 iceweasel

Riders on the Toad
Riders on the Toad
To DOD they drove
To DOD they rode
The riders all got warts
Those riders run our forts
Riders on the Toad...

665 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:56:24am

re: #663 kirkspencer

What's another $600,000.00? Really?

666 Gus  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:56:31am

re: #660 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What a country!

Speaking of spending then. What ever happened to the days of Quonset huts? Is there really such a need for such a luxurious structure as we see in BRAC-133? Just think. We spend more as a society on these boondoggles than we do on high density housing (i.e. apartments). Find a lonesome town in Virginia, put up a bunch of Quonset huts, and be done with it. Too late now.

667 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:57:01am
668 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:58:04am

re: #667 Obdicut

Dang. Here's the Chaubin one:

Image: frederic_chaubin03.jpg

And an even cooler Chaubin:

Image: frederic_chaubin.jpg

669 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:58:41am

re: #659 Alouette

Where can we view pics of the other three options?

[Here.] To be honest I like DePalma's the best, but the frog beats the other two for my taste.

670 Gus  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:58:49am

re: #668 Obdicut

Dang. Here's the Chaubin one:

Image: frederic_chaubin03.jpg

And an even cooler Chaubin:

Image: frederic_chaubin.jpg

That second one looks like a ski jump. ;)

671 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:59:13am

Officer investigated for incident involving donut delivery truck....the jokes write themselves.

City officer investigated for off-duty incident
[Link: www.post-gazette.com...]


Pittsburgh police Officer Garrett Brown, who was the subject of a federal misconduct lawsuit that cost the city $150,000 this month, is under investigation by the city for a different off-duty encounter with a truck driver who was delivering doughnuts in Oakland.

672 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 8:59:45am

re: #667 Obdicut

Et tu, Brutalist?

673 Achilles Tang  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:00:19am

re: #559 lawhawk

If you're referring to the HSR link between Tampa and Orlando, then you've got to also consider that the numbers just don't make sense. If you're going to do HSR, you need a population density to make that workable, and that corridor doesn't have it. Moreover, if the idea is to get people out of cars, HSR linking those two cities will simply move people from one rail station to the other - and you'd still need a car to see the various attractions that are no where near rail - think Disney, Sea World, Busch Gardens, etc.

I'm not an expert, but there are plenty of people who disagree with you, or Scott on this and they are not fools. I saw one supposedly serious number argument against HSR that used a ridiculous number of 4 people per car to compare travel costs.

I4, the only east west corridor is already overcrowded (I drive it often) and will need to be continually expanded in coming years at a cost of billions.

The indirect stimulus for jobs and business of HSR was pretty much ignored from what I saw in Scott's justification and above all it was the typical Tea Party approach which is very short term horizon. Rail is a long term investment not a 4 year investment and either the rest of the world are total fools for doing so, or we are for not.

The detail arguments about where the stations are are important but solvable and local transportation, say within Orlando can easily be catered to by other public transport, just as is done within Disney World itself, or any European city.

674 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:01:21am

re: #669 kirkspencer

[Here.] To be honest I like DePalma's the best, but the frog beats the other two for my taste.

Another link, this one to the main page which also has the rest of the info on each.

675 Gus  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:01:57am

Must. Work. BBL

676 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:02:14am

re: #669 kirkspencer

[Here.] To be honest I like DePalma's the best, but the frog beats the other two for my taste.

I like Lippmann entry the best, then DePalma. The other two suck.

See, art=subjective.

677 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:02:21am

re: #674 kirkspencer

Another link, this one to the main page which also has the rest of the info on each.

disregard previous post. I thought I"d just linked the four images themselves, and instead brought you the same link twice. Can't blame this on PIMF, either.

678 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:03:00am

Fox News continues to damage the Republican Party.....

Donald Trump Gets Fox News Segment: 'Monday Mornings With Trump' (VIDEO)

The network revealed Thursday plans to launch a "Monday Mornings with Trump" segment on its morning show, "Fox & Friends."

"Bold, brash and never bashful, The Donald now makes his voice loud and clear every Monday on Fox," a network promo says.

As Mediaite's Frances Martel notes, while Trump is merely making a weekly guest appearance and is not becoming a Fox News contributor, "it is surprising to see a potential presidential candidate assume a media role so close to the election."

679 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:06:08am

re: #678 Killgore Trout

I don't know why they even bothered to cut ties with Gingrich and Sanatorum. There's really not much point; that they're basically the media arm of the GOP/whackjob conservatives is not exactly secret.

680 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:06:18am
681 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:06:39am

re: #496 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What is a kinetic military action?

We're calling this thing in Libya an kinetic military action. As opposed, I guess, to a visual military action, or an auditory military action.

682 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:07:12am

re: #681 SanFranciscoZionist

We're calling this thing in Libya an kinetic military action. As opposed, I guess, to a visual military action, or an auditory military action.

Or a turd sandwich.

683 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:08:15am

re: #681 SanFranciscoZionist

We're calling this thing in Libya an kinetic military action. As opposed, I guess, to a visual military action, or an auditory military action.

Howabout... "No Mo"

684 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:08:20am

re: #679 Obdicut

I don't know why they even bothered to cut ties with Gingrich and Sanatorum. There's really not much point; that they're basically the media arm of the GOP/whackjob conservatives is not exactly secret.

It's just so absurd to turn the Republican party into a bunch of reality show loons. It's painful to watch.

685 Girth  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:08:32am

re: #678 Killgore Trout

Fox News continues to damage the Republican Party...

Donald Trump Gets Fox News Segment: 'Monday Mornings With Trump' (VIDEO)

At some point wouldn't it be better for them to drop the "Fair and Balanced" crap and just admit that they are TPGOPTV? I don't think it would change their viewership very much.

686 Girth  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:11:23am

re: #681 SanFranciscoZionist

We're calling this thing in Libya an kinetic military action. As opposed, I guess, to a visual military action, or an auditory military action.

A country that we are currently not fighting has potential military action. As we begin to fight a country, that potential military action is converted into kinetic military action.

687 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:12:39am

Small town Indiana holds parade for Butler players family:
[Link: www.pal-item.com...]

[Link: cmsimg.pal-item.com...]

688 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:12:52am

re: #686 Girth

Oh. Well, then...

689 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:14:06am

re: #561 HappyWarrior

Trump is obviously a Scottish Muslim. Gosh, though they're suspicious of him for having a foreign born mother. Both of Andrew Jackson's folks were from Ulster. Do birthers seriously think you can't be American fi your folks are foreign born? That seems to be the implication first with Obama and now Trump.

It's absolutely ridiculous.

690 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:14:09am

re: #685 Girth

At some point wouldn't it be better for them to drop the "Fair and Balanced" crap and just admit that they are TPGOPTV? I don't think it would change their viewership very much.

The weird thing is that if they'd left Santorum on it would have been more valid. A candidate should not have to quit their day job to run for office. (Yes, I think a senator who runs for office should be allowed to remain senator, just to give one example.)

But this... no. Of all their actions, this is one of the most blatant.

691 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:16:13am

re: #562 thedopefishlives

One could argue, then, that the only Americans are the Native Americans. I doubt that's what these idiots have in mind, though.

I would have voted for Wilma Mankiller for president. Sadly, she is no longer with us.

692 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:16:33am

re: #681 SanFranciscoZionist
Kinesthetic?

693 Girth  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:16:37am

re: #690 kirkspencer

The weird thing is that if they'd left Santorum on it would have been more valid. A candidate should not have to quit their day job to run for office. (Yes, I think a senator who runs for office should be allowed to remain senator, just to give one example.)

But this... no. Of all their actions, this is one of the most blatant.

But in an environment where media time costs money and money is political speech being in a situation where you get free airtime and get paid for it as well is different than any other job that you could hold while being a candidate.

694 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:17:42am

re: #571 Walter L. Newton

It's April 1st... everyone up early looking waiting for their welfare checks?

Welfare checks come on April 1st?

Don't I have to be signed up or something?

695 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:18:21am

re: #693 Girth

But in an environment where media time costs money and money is political speech being in a situation where you get free airtime and get paid for it as well is different than any other job that you could hold while being a candidate.

... and said with both straight face and one breath, even. I'm impressed.

696 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:18:21am

re: #574 RogueOne

If we're not careful those foreigners will start moving here or something. Pretty soon they'll put up a big statue welcoming them in! Stay vigilant.

The Bronx Zoo's Cobra likes the line about 'your coiled masses' on the base of the Statue of Liberty.

697 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:19:01am

re: #685 Girth

At some point wouldn't it be better for them to drop the "Fair and Balanced" crap and just admit that they are TPGOPTV? I don't think it would change their viewership very much.

Jon Stewart had a great interview with Bret Baer of Fox News Channel, in which this very point was brought up. I'm on the world's slowest internet connection at the moment so it would take about 6 hours to find the link, but it's worth watching if anyone cares to look it up.

698 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:19:06am

re: #575 iceweasel

Seriously?
My own babel fish isn't working properly yet here. I can understand trainspotting, but sometimes I can't understand a few people here because of their accent.

It can be rough. I have had encounters in Ireland a number of times where it wasn't clear to me if the person I was talking to was speaking English.

699 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:21:23am

re: #589 Fozzie Bear

Some of my family on the Irish side speak in an accent so thick I literally have no idea what they are saying half the time. I'll ask them to repeat themselves a few times, then one of them will ultimately answer me in their best impression of an American accent, which I must say is hilarious. I never really realized how nasal the American accent must sound to a foreigner before that.

I've found that after a few months out of the country, I can actually hear an American accent, as opposed to 'lack of accent'.

It goes away when I return to being surrounded by Americans again.

700 Girth  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:21:53am

re: #697 negativ

Jon Stewart had a great interview with Bret Baer of Fox News Channel, in which this very point was brought up. I'm on the world's slowest internet connection at the moment so it would take about 6 hours to find the link, but it's worth watching if anyone cares to look it up.

I watched the interview on the show, meant to watch the whole thing online but haven't got around to it yet...must remember to do that.

701 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:23:05am

re: #593 Fozzie Bear

I'm all for supporting the arts, but holy crap, that doesn't mean we have to buy the artist a new yacht for what couldn't represent more than a couple months worth of work. A dozen artists could be supported for a year on that kind of money.

That's the thing. I've never figured out what separates people who make lovely things and sell them for fifty bucks on Etsy from people who commission others to make hideous looking things they designed and make a stone fortune on it. Marketing? Highbrow concept?

702 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:23:55am

re: #697 negativ

Stewart has been on a roll for months now. He's batting roughly .900 by my count. It's math, you can't argue with math.

703 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:25:53am

re: #596 Fozzie Bear

Seriously, though, 600 large for that? We can support the arts without dumping heaps of cash on one individual artist. I enthusiastically support patronage of the arts, but obviously, the artist who made that sculpture doesn't need the government's help if he is charging that kind of money for a single sculpture.

This is San Francisco's latest proposed acquisition.

No one likes it.

We don't have much good public art in the City, really. Golden Gate Park, however, is absolutely chock-a-block with statues, many of them discreetly hidden in weird areas. When the park was created, everyone and their brother donated a bronze statue, and apparently the park designer absolutely hated them.

704 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:26:00am

re: #701 SanFranciscoZionist

That's the thing. I've never figured out what separates people who make lovely things and sell them for fifty bucks on Etsy from people who commission others to make hideous looking things they designed and make a stone fortune on it. Marketing? Highbrow concept?

I think the "fairy on a toad" is the kind of really cheesy thing that you would expect to find in a "Skymall" catalog.

705 Girth  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:26:18am

re: #702 RogueOne

Stewart has been on a roll for months now. He's batting roughly .900 by my count. It's math, you can't argue with math.

Can't argue with it no, but come on. Numbers go in, different numbers come out, you can't explain that!

Can't argue with it but you can't explain it either!

706 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:27:23am

re: #703 SanFranciscoZionist

This is San Francisco's latest proposed acquisition.

No one likes it.

We don't have much good public art in the City, really. Golden Gate Park, however, is absolutely chock-a-block with statues, many of them discreetly hidden in weird areas. When the park was created, everyone and their brother donated a bronze statue, and apparently the park designer absolutely hated them.

$1.15 million!

I totally chose the wrong career.

707 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:27:38am

re: #604 Fozzie Bear

I have a large format metal sculptor in my family. He makes pieces far larger and more complex than that thing for about 1/6 the cost, and he lives very, very well. I'm not buying that that thing cost anywhere near 600k to produce. Not even close.

Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if the figure was inflated by wingnut critics of the NEA, and institution which, if anything, should have far more funding than it does. I'm just commenting on that particular piece, assuming it cost what the article says it does.

(Not only that, but really, that thing is fugly. That is not some kind of groundbreaking work. My grandmother wears cheesy knit sweaters with more thought-provoking teddy bears on them than that thing.)

There's a group in Berkeley that's started to knit cozies for lampposts and such, and install them in the dead of night.

Kind of cool.

708 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:29:17am

re: #551 Naso Tang

Morning.
By cycle I mean boom/bust. Over extend/come back to reality and maybe recover for another boom. Maybe. That's relatively short term, but in the long term civilizations have a way of evolving, sometimes badly.

By religion, [snipped for brevity]

We buy on cost, but tell me how much manual labor cost goes into making LED or Fluorescent bulbs? I suspect virtually none. It is a capital intensive operation and the machinery in China costs the same as it would in the USA. Why can they do it and we can't?


Good morning.
I agree that there is a bust that follows the boom, we are living it. If we realize the error and reverse course for another boom or just blame everyone else and sink down into the detritus remains to be seen.

I don't dispute that religion has a huge influence on their thinking. But can we really identify a cause and effect? They wrap their religious ideology and political ideology so tightly together that it would be hard to untangle, but it is clearly twisted to whatever ends they want. Republicans, for example, seem to think that the only way, or even the best way, to attract business is by cutting taxes. And then they go on to justify it in biblical terms, as if that isn't just falsely twisting their religion around a political idea.

Manufacturing that isn't labor intensive still moves to China for several reasons. The biggest is that China subsidies industries that it wants to build. Also a huge factor is supply chain and shipping. If all a company's suppliers are in China it is cheaper in many cases to locate their business near those suppliers. Then as many companies come together that also becomes where the specific kind of workers they need are concentrated. All these factors feedback into each other.

re: #653 Naso Tang

The only way to correct a trade imbalance is to make what we buy, not avoid buying it by a few.


I agree that local industry is very important for our economy. Though I would contend that as consumers were are contributing to this mess in a significant way. When we buy on cost regardless of where products are made (or nearly any other consideration, for that matter), as most Americans do, then building products in China or wherever is cheapest isn't a problem for corporations. But if people in, currently, one of the largest global markets started only buying from American manufacturers then it would cost a business money to locate in China, offsetting the financial incentive to do so in the first place.

709 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:29:41am

re: #701 SanFranciscoZionist

That's the thing. I've never figured out what separates people who make lovely things and sell them for fifty bucks on Etsy from people who commission others to make hideous looking things they designed and make a stone fortune on it. Marketing? Highbrow concept?

See: [Link: www.regretsy.com...]
Occasionally NSFW because crazy people make and sell very weird things.

710 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:33:49am

re: #703 SanFranciscoZionist

I like Optimus Grime or Rubblestiltskin.

Since this is a recycling of materials from the old building, do they get an eco-credit?

711 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:34:05am
712 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:35:45am

re: #662 RogueOne

I think this classifies as "Ironic":

Concord's top female police employee sued for sexual harassment
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

There are no pictures so I can't tell if she's guilty or not.//

Why is it ironic?

713 CuriousLurker  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:36:12am

re: #689 SanFranciscoZionist

It's absolutely ridiculous.

I can't stay as I have a conference call coming up but I was just wondering something. The WND article quotes birthers.org as saying (re Trump):

There is no doubt that at his birth his natural allegiance for the United States of America was and still is unalienable.

So that means that the allegiance to the U.S. of American Muslims born of parents who were both American citizens (like mine and many others) is unquestionable, right?

And if Rep. Kieth Ellison's parents were both U.S. citizens when he was born, then the wingnuts wouldn't question his allegiance and would have no problem whatsoever with him becoming president, right? RIGHT? //

Gotta run...BBL

714 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:38:56am

re: #713 CuriousLurker

I can't stay as I have a conference call coming up but I was just wondering something. The WND article quotes birthers.org as saying (re Trump):

So that means that the allegiance to the U.S. of American Muslims born of parents who were both American citizens (like mine and many others) is unquestionable, right?

And if Rep. Kieth Ellison's parents were both U.S. citizens when he was born, then the wingnuts wouldn't question his allegiance and would have no problem whatsoever with him becoming president, right? RIGHT? //

Gotta run...BBL

When I used to post at Free Republic, there was always a contingent of freaks who would question the loyalty of U.S. Jews, because they could always claim Israeli citizenship.

715 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:39:49am

re: #712 SanFranciscoZionist

Why is it ironic?

She won 2 sexual harassment lawsuits and then gets hit with one of her own? It's like rain on your wedding day... or something.

716 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:40:11am

re: #709 negativ

See: [Link: www.regretsy.com...]
Occasionally NSFW because crazy people make and sell very weird things.

Oh MY.

717 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:41:50am

re: #714 Alouette

When I used to post at Free Republic, there was always a contingent of freaks who would question the loyalty of U.S. Jews, because they could always claim Israeli citizenship.

Wouldn't that make us more loyal, by definition, if we could always bail, but choose not to?

//

718 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:42:16am

re: #715 RogueOne

She won 2 sexual harassment lawsuits and then gets hit with one of her own? It's like rain on your wedding day... or something.

Sorry, didn't register that bit.

Yeah, that's a bit odd.

719 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:43:45am

re: #717 SanFranciscoZionist

Wouldn't that make us more loyal, by definition, if we could always bail, but choose not to?

//

The concept of dual citizenship is very disturbing to some, but only when Israel is involved. I have never heard anyone complain, for instance, about dual U.S./Canadian, or dual U.S./U.K., or dual U.S./French citizenship.

720 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:49:39am

Earthquake hits California-Mexico border

The California-Mexico border area was hit by a 3.2-magnitude earthquake about 16 miles from Calexico, Calif., geologists said.

The U.S. Geological Survey said the quake rumbled Thursday night in an area of known for its high earthquake activity, the Los Angeles Times reported Friday.

On April 4, 2010, the border region was struck by a magnitude-7.2 earthquake that was felt in downtown Los Angeles and strong enough to shift the Earth's crust up to 10 feet in Mexico.

721 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:55:04am

re: #719 Alouette

The concept of dual citizenship is very disturbing to some, but only when Israel is involved. I have never heard anyone complain, for instance, about dual U.S./Canadian, or dual U.S./U.K., or dual U.S./French citizenship.

ahem. birthers.

722 McSpiff  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:58:11am

re: #719 Alouette

The concept of dual citizenship is very disturbing to some, but only when Israel is involved. I have never heard anyone complain, for instance, about dual U.S./Canadian, or dual U.S./U.K., or dual U.S./French citizenship.

I think I've heard of some people complaining about dual U.S./Mexican citizenship, or really anyone from Mexico in any way expressing an affection for the country after they've left it.

723 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 9:58:26am

re: #575 iceweasel

Seriously?
My own babel fish isn't working properly yet here. I can understand trainspotting, but sometimes I can't understand a few people here because of their accent.

I'll do my best to write without a Canadian accent, eh. Just for you Ice.

724 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 10:02:52am

It's been fun folks. Enjoy the rest of the day people!

725 blueraven  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 10:09:43am

re: #666 Gus 802

Speaking of spending then. What ever happened to the days of Quonset huts? Is there really such a need for such a luxurious structure as we see in BRAC-133? Just think. We spend more as a society on these boondoggles than we do on high density housing (i.e. apartments). Find a lonesome town in Virginia, put up a bunch of Quonset huts, and be done with it. Too late now.

Not too shabby...

Image: quonset.jpg

726 Achilles Tang  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 10:19:26am

re: #708 prononymous


I agree that local industry is very important for our economy. Though I would contend that as consumers were are contributing to this mess in a significant way. When we buy on cost regardless of where products are made (or nearly any other consideration, for that matter), as most Americans do, then building products in China or wherever is cheapest isn't a problem for corporations. But if people in, currently, one of the largest global markets started only buying from American manufacturers then it would cost a business money to locate in China, offsetting the financial incentive to do so in the first place.

I don't support "buy American" as a strategy. There is a global economy and being protectionist is not going to make it go away or help us economically.

However I do believe in government incentives for industry, with a long term view. We could have had efficient cars and solar power and more, cost effectively, by now if we had retained some of the incentives that were started then dropped decades ago. The reason China now makes most solar panels for export is because they have a reliable government customer at home. The reason the little Danes became leaders in wind power was because they had more vision than American manufacturers, and I believe government incentives for alternatives to oil.

Think what the government could do for natural gas or electric cars if they dictated that all replacements must be one or the other. How many custom stop start vehicles does the post office have?

Other countries do these things, but we think all progress can only come from small businesses and government support is a dirty word, except by tax break.

727 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 10:40:04am

re: #726 Naso Tang

As transportation fuels become increasingly expensive, outfits like wal-mart simply won't be able to compete with locally produced goods, because the cost of transporting all the various parts around the globe will begin to eat up any savings from cheap foreign labor. There is a bit of a silver lining to reaching peak oil production, and that lining is American jobs.

"Buy American" doesn't make much economic sense, but buy local ultimately will make a lot of sense.

728 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 11:01:02am

re: #726 Naso Tang

I don't support "buy American" as a strategy. There is a global economy and being protectionist is not going to make it go away or help us economically.


I don't think "buy American" is a good strategy for a few reasons. First, it would require most Americans to start actually paying attention to the products they purchase besides how shiny it is and the price tag. That isn't going to happen, IMO. Second, some places will simply have a better opportunity cost for producing various goods. It doesn't make sense to inefficiently produce goods here, out of some misplaced sense of nationalism or whatever.

With that said, however, I do feel that we as consumers have really dropped the ball. I do believe that we need to be conscious of more than the price tag. If the companies making the products are doing things we disagree with we need to let them know, first and foremost by not buying their products. Same for source countries. Since most shrimp, for example, in Mexico are farmed in open systems that damage the environment I will preferentially choose shrimp farmed in closed systems in Thailand or the US.

Other countries do these things, but we think all progress can only come from small businesses and government support is a dirty word, except by tax break.


I very much agree with the rest of what you said. Especially this quoted bit. Sometimes tax cuts are appropriate, but when used in conjunction with pragmatic policy that can also include subsidies, new regulations, new taxes, government purchases, etc. That they only are willing to consider tax cuts is rigid stupidity.

729 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Apr 1, 2011 11:03:53am

re: #725 blueraven

Not too shabby...

homepage.mac.com/lstiegelmar1/quonset.jpg

My virus scanner complained about this being a malware site. It is probably because of some past ad injection or a false alert, but I thought you guys should be aware.


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