Captain America #103, July 1968: The Weakest Link

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Tonight’s photo from the Lizard Collection is issue #103 of the resurrected Captain America series, featuring another classic Jack Kirby cover drawing of the fearsome Red Skull. This copy is in great condition, with amazingly unfaded inks, white pages, and shiny staples.

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Marvel Studios is releasing their first Captain America film July 22, titled “Captain America: The First Avenger.” Here’s the official trailer:

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1 abolitionist  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 4:33:30pm

It won't play, but if I click the YouTube thingy near bottom right, I can watch the trailer.

2 blueraven  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 4:39:27pm

re: #1 abolitionist

It works for me.

3 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 4:49:44pm

And next year, we finally see the Avengers movie that this has all been leading up to.

4 arbitraryName  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 4:51:24pm

re: #1 abolitionist

I have had this problem with Mozilla Camino, but I think what is going on is a cookie issue, as my preferences are set to only accept cookies from sites I visit.

If I change my preferences to accept cookies from any site, then the embedded video plays normally.

5 abolitionist  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 4:53:40pm

re: #4 arbitraryName

Thanks. I'll try tweeking my cookie permissions for LGF. Firefox 4.0 here.

6 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 4:54:34pm

re: #3 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And next year, we finally see the Avengers movie that this has all been leading up to.

I'm waiting for Deadpool.

Image: DeadpoolYelso20.jpg

7 abolitionist  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:00:08pm

Ok, trailer plays after checking the Accept third-party cookies option.

Btw, penicillin wasn't in mass production until '44.

8 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:02:35pm

BURN IT, BURN IT!!~11!1

9 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:03:00pm

Ah, Deadpool, I've forgotten your subtle charms.

Deadpool versus Captain America

Image: 971783457_4a9ce4eb40_o.jpg

10 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:05:49pm

re: #7 abolitionist

Ok, trailer plays after checking the Accept third-party cookies option.

Btw, penicillin wasn't in mass production until '44.

Yeah, but if you check higher, by 1942, there was enough penicillin in the world to treat ten patients.

11 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:06:12pm

off topic: How do you post a photo to the weblog? I have no idea how to do it.

12 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:09:22pm

Jellyfish are taking over the world and all but 5 US states have been invaded by freshwater jellyfish.

Anybody have a shitload of orange flavouring?

13 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:09:45pm

re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm waiting for Deadpool.

Image: DeadpoolYelso20.jpg

I know, I'm still pissed about how they handled him in the Wolverine film. Damn them, give me back my Merc with a Mouth!

14 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:10:15pm

So far, Hollywood hasn't been able to ruin any comic book mythos.

Sam Raimi:
Spiderman - yay
Spiderman II - yay
Spiderman III - you have got to be fucking kidding me.

Tim Burton:
BATMAN: - hmm, Michael Keaton? ok, we'll see... NOT COMPLETELY BAD!
(everything after BATMAN): WTF IS THIS SHIT?

Fantastic 4 pre-release buzz:
OH SHIT THERE'S GOING TO BE A SILVER SURFER MOVIE, OMFG
release day: you have got to be fucking kidding me.

X-MEN:
What a great cast! I have minor quabbles but otherwise I hereby dual-wield heavy metal devil horn hand gestures in your direction.
X-MEN II: a sequel that could have sucked but didn't. It was actually pretty good!
X-MEN III: You have got to be fucking kidding me...

Batman Begins:
*remember "Batman: Year One" comics* so perfect!
The Dark Knight:
Best interpretation of Joker imaginable. Two-Face is also great, but dead. Batman himself is wisely not the main character of the film.
Third installment will either be amazing, or unforgivably shitty.

I also like the Iron Man films so far. Of course, the 2nd one wasn't as satisfying as the first, so I'm sure I'll hate the third.

Blah blah, never mind.

15 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:11:09pm

Any lizards want to take a crack at his one? Geraldo does have a history of faking news coverage and this doesn't look right....
Geraldo Caught in the Middle of a Fire Fight in Libya

I realize he's pretty old but that's not the kind of running someone under fire would do. Also he gets on the ground in the open, not near one of the many nearby trees. He says, "I was just afraid of getting shot in the back by the rebels as getting shot in the front by Q'Daffy's forces. That means he's running towards the Q'Daffy forces as they fire on him. If you make it to about 3:00 you can see the camera taking cover behind a wall. The rebels are standing in the open firing in the air. The wall would provide no cover from the pro-government forces so if that's who they're hiding from they are on the wrong side of the wall.

16 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:11:59pm

re: #11 PhillyPretzel

off topic: How do you post a photo to the weblog? I have no idea how to do it.

Are you trying to create a page with an embedded photo?

17 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:12:16pm

re: #14 negativ

So far, Hollywood hasn't been UNABLE to ruin any comic book mythos.

dammit.

18 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:12:28pm

re: #14 negativ

So far, Hollywood hasn't been able to ruin any comic book mythos.

Sam Raimi:
Spiderman - yay
Spiderman II - yay
Spiderman III - you have got to be fucking kidding me.

Tim Burton:
BATMAN: - hmm, Michael Keaton? ok, we'll see... NOT COMPLETELY BAD!
(everything after BATMAN): WTF IS THIS SHIT?

Fantastic 4 pre-release buzz:
OH SHIT THERE'S GOING TO BE A SILVER SURFER MOVIE, OMFG
release day: you have got to be fucking kidding me.

X-MEN:
What a great cast! I have minor quabbles but otherwise I hereby dual-wield heavy metal devil horn hand gestures in your direction.
X-MEN II: a sequel that could have sucked but didn't. It was actually pretty good!
X-MEN III: You have got to be fucking kidding me...

Batman Begins:
*remember "Batman: Year One" comics* so perfect!
The Dark Knight:
Best interpretation of Joker imaginable. Two-Face is also great, but dead. Batman himself is wisely not the main character of the film.
Third installment will either be amazing, or unforgivably shitty.

I also like the Iron Man films so far. Of course, the 2nd one wasn't as satisfying as the first, so I'm sure I'll hate the third.

Blah blah, never mind.

You are a certifiable nerd.

19 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:13:43pm

re: #16 Killgore Trout
No. I am trying to post a photo to this web log. It is a photo that I took of a neatly coiled extension cord.

20 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:15:18pm

re: #18 b_sharp

You are a certifiable nerd.

I have never claimed otherwise.

/forever_alone
//even Hitler had a girlfriend

21 abolitionist  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:16:58pm

re: #20 negativ

Sorry. This is a pre-Godwin'd thread.

22 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:18:10pm

re: #13 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I know, I'm still pissed about how they handled him in the Wolverine film. Damn them, give me back my Merc with a Mouth!

Agreed, but they'll be restoring him and taking away the BS junk in his film.

"been thinking of starting up a super hero porn site...nothing too rude, I mean tasteful naked shots of SUE RICHARDS...when's she VISIBLE, 'cos otherwise, DUH..."

23 Idle Drifter  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:18:37pm

Please let this be awesome.....No! I demand this be awesome!

24 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:18:42pm

re: #19 PhillyPretzel

No. I am trying to post a photo to this web log. It is a photo that I took of a neatly coiled extension cord.

To post a photo it needs to be uploaded somewhere on the internet. A picture hosting service like Flickr or yfrog, twitpic, etc. then you can just paste the url into the lgf comment box and it will appear.

25 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:20:20pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout
So I have to put the picture on the web in order to post it here. Okay. Thank you for the information.

26 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:20:43pm

re: #14 negativ

So far, Hollywood hasn't been able to ruin any comic book mythos.

Sam Raimi:
Spiderman - yay
Spiderman II - yay
Spiderman III - you have got to be fucking kidding me.

Tim Burton:
BATMAN: - hmm, Michael Keaton? ok, we'll see... NOT COMPLETELY BAD!
(everything after BATMAN): WTF IS THIS SHIT?

Fantastic 4 pre-release buzz:
OH SHIT THERE'S GOING TO BE A SILVER SURFER MOVIE, OMFG
release day: you have got to be fucking kidding me.

X-MEN:
What a great cast! I have minor quabbles but otherwise I hereby dual-wield heavy metal devil horn hand gestures in your direction.
X-MEN II: a sequel that could have sucked but didn't. It was actually pretty good!
X-MEN III: You have got to be fucking kidding me...

Batman Begins:
*remember "Batman: Year One" comics* so perfect!
The Dark Knight:
Best interpretation of Joker imaginable. Two-Face is also great, but dead. Batman himself is wisely not the main character of the film.
Third installment will either be amazing, or unforgivably shitty.

I also like the Iron Man films so far. Of course, the 2nd one wasn't as satisfying as the first, so I'm sure I'll hate the third.

Blah blah, never mind.

Warner Brothers seems better about it to a degree, at least as far as letting the Nolan Brothers exert a great deal of control over the Batman reboot. Paramount doesn't seem to understand that you can't pump out a major motion picture in under a year, or that stars want to do things other than appear in the same film over and over again.

27 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:22:59pm

Wow, even fox nation readers noticed it's fake....
Geraldo Caught in the Middle of a Fire Fight in Libya

Why are they ducking and a guy is walking behind them like he is strolling on the beach? Mmmmm????
....
I do not believe it. He wants better ratings, so he has some folks fire weapons out of frame, while he plays war.


Etc.

28 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:25:08pm

re: #25 PhillyPretzel

So I have to put the picture on the web in order to post it here. Okay. Thank you for the information.

You could upload it to lgf. Make a page, insert to photo (under 200K) and post a link. Here's a frogs ass from a page I posted Yesterday....
Image: frog.jpg

29 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:25:46pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout
Why am I not surprised? Is it time for the Arbitron ratings?

30 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:27:27pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

You could upload it to lgf. Make a page, insert to photo (under 200K) and post a link. Here's a frogs ass from a page I posted Yesterday...
Image: frog.jpg


Where do I make the page?

31 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:28:11pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

To post a photo it needs to be uploaded somewhere on the internet. A picture hosting service like Flickr or yfrog, twitpic, etc. then you can just paste the url into the lgf comment box and it will appear.

Attention one and all: [Link: imgur.com...] is by far the easiest-to-use picture-hosting site on all the interbutts.

32 blueraven  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:28:55pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Any lizards want to take a crack at his one? Geraldo does have a history of faking news coverage and this doesn't look right...
Geraldo Caught in the Middle of a Fire Fight in Libya

I realize he's pretty old but that's not the kind of running someone under fire would do. Also he gets on the ground in the open, not near one of the many nearby trees. He says, "I was just afraid of getting shot in the back by the rebels as getting shot in the front by Q'Daffy's forces. That means he's running towards the Q'Daffy forces as they fire on him. If you make it to about 3:00 you can see the camera taking cover behind a wall. The rebels are standing in the open firing in the air. The wall would provide no cover from the pro-government forces so if that's who they're hiding from they are on the wrong side of the wall.

Geraldo always has to be the story.

I am sure the fox nation people dont like him because he doesn't bash Obama 24/7, but yeah, it is suspicious.

33 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:30:15pm

re: #25 PhillyPretzel

So I have to put the picture on the web in order to post it here. Okay. Thank you for the information.

If you create a page for it you can upload the photo to LGF. Go to LGF Pages (big button at top), then click Create A Page in the right column. A window opens with the form to post an LGF Page. Click the button at bottom left that says "Upload Image," then select and upload the image file.

Then click the button to insert the image code into the page editing box. Give it a title and a category and maybe some kind of description, and submit it.

34 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:31:36pm

re: #33 Charles
Thanks. Okay. I will try that.

35 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:35:42pm

re: #33 Charles
darn. It did not work. It said no image selected. I will try at another date. Thanks.

36 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:36:45pm

re: #32 blueraven

Geraldo always has to be the story.

I am sure the fox nation people dont like him because he doesn't bash Obama 24/7, but yeah, it is suspicious.

In general, I assume that Geraldo is faking it. Others can be in charge of actually confirming or denying that for me.

//

37 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:38:32pm

re: #35 PhillyPretzel

darn. It did not work. It said no image selected. I will try at another date. Thanks.

It's the standard HTML uploading process, which is actually a common cause of confusion. You have to first choose the file on your computer, using the system file selector. Then you can click the Upload button. It's a two-step process.

38 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:39:33pm

re: #37 Charles

It's the standard HTML uploading process, which is actually a common cause of confusion. You have to first choose the file on your computer, using the system file selector. Then you can click the Upload button. It's a two-step process.

Also if the file is too large you get a "no file selected" error. It's happened to me before.

39 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:42:38pm

Charles and Killgore Thank you for your help. I will try later. Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

40 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:43:09pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

Also if the file is too large you get a "no file selected" error. It's happened to me before.

Yeah, the standard HTML upload form basically sucks. Bad error-handling combined with confusing interface, combined with slightly different implementations across browsers.

It's pretty much the only way to do it, though. There are Flash-based solutions, but relying on Flash has its own problems.

41 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:43:15pm

re: #32 blueraven

Geraldo always has to be the story.

He did really good, respectable work with his story on the Willowbrook State School, and could have gone on to become a Serious Investigative Journalist. However, his ridiculous sensationalism since then makes me wonder if the Willowbrook thing was just a serendipitous accident.

42 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:43:21pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Any lizards want to take a crack at his one? Geraldo does have a history of faking news coverage and this doesn't look right...
Geraldo Caught in the Middle of a Fire Fight in Libya

I realize he's pretty old but that's not the kind of running someone under fire would do. Also he gets on the ground in the open, not near one of the many nearby trees. He says, "I was just afraid of getting shot in the back by the rebels as getting shot in the front by Q'Daffy's forces. That means he's running towards the Q'Daffy forces as they fire on him. If you make it to about 3:00 you can see the camera taking cover behind a wall. The rebels are standing in the open firing in the air. The wall would provide no cover from the pro-government forces so if that's who they're hiding from they are on the wrong side of the wall.

WAS THERE A VAULT?!?!
/

43 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:44:34pm

re: #42 Varek Raith

WAS THERE A VAULT?!?!
/

Al Capone hid his riches in Libya!

/

44 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:45:05pm

re: #20 negativ

I have never claimed otherwise.

/forever_alone
//even Hitler had a girlfriend

There are a lot of nerd girls out there.

45 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:47:21pm

re: #44 b_sharp

There are a lot of nerd girls out there.

And we do date and marry other nerds.

Says the woman whose husband is currently playing WoW and watching Spartacus: Blood and Sand simultaneously.

46 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:49:25pm

re: #44 b_sharp

There are a lot of nerd girls out there.

Stormtroopers get all the hot chicks.

[Link: www.hotchickswithstormtroopers.com...]

47 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:49:39pm

Somebody do me a favour please and click on the following link and tell me if you see any pics.

[Link: beadtothebone.ca...]

48 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:49:48pm

re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist

And we do date and marry other nerds.

Says the woman whose husband is currently playing WoW and watching Spartacus: Blood and Sand simultaneously.

Multi-tasking: The sign of a true nerd.

49 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:49:50pm

re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The guy who writes Dr. McNinja just got tapped to write Deadpool.

ANd if you don't know Dr. McNinja, you really should.

50 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:50:51pm

re: #47 b_sharp

Somebody do me a favour please and click on the following link and tell me if you see any pics.

[Link: beadtothebone.ca...]

7 images in 2 galleries. I can see them.

51 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:51:56pm

I bought my grandson Dead Space 2 yesterday at about noon, took him to a movie last night and this morning he tells me he finished the game. I thought these games were supposed to keep him entertained for weeks?

52 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:52:31pm

Okay Let's see if this works. [Link: www.flickr.com...]

53 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:53:07pm

Can anyone see the picture?

54 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:53:24pm

re: #50 prononymous

7 images in 2 galleries. I can see them.

Thanks, I've been having permissions problems with the site. If you can get in then maybe I've solved the problem.

55 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:53:50pm

re: #51 b_sharp

I bought my grandson Dead Space 2 yesterday at about noon, took him to a movie last night and this morning he tells me he finished the game. I thought these games were supposed to keep him entertained for weeks?

Nope. Game companies today make criminally short games so that you get bored and buy the next one.
;)

56 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:54:07pm

re: #51 b_sharp

I bought my grandson Dead Space 2 yesterday at about noon, took him to a movie last night and this morning he tells me he finished the game. I thought these games were supposed to keep him entertained for weeks?

You got to check online for play thru times and replay value. The problem with most straight up shooters is you run them once and you're done.

57 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:54:21pm

A reminder, don't dial drunk

LOL

58 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:54:27pm

re: #55 Varek Raith

Nope. Game companies today make criminally short games so that you get bored and buy the next one.
;)

Played Fallout lately?

59 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:54:31pm

re: #53 PhillyPretzel

Can anyone see the picture?

Yup, 14/3 flat, babyshit yellow cord.

60 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:54:50pm

re: #58 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Played Fallout lately?

Nope.
How's New Vegas?
Bugs ironed out?

61 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:54:59pm

re: #58 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Played Fallout lately?

The original?

62 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:55:33pm

re: #55 Varek Raith

Nope. Game companies today make criminally short games so that you get bored and buy the next one.
;)

That's why you get the PC version, then download a shitload of mods. Hell, believe it or not, there's people out there who've figured out how to install mods to the XBox 360, being nothing more than a gaming computer itself. The future of gaming isn't what comes strictly from the studio, but what gamers can do with it afterward.

63 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:55:38pm

re: #59 b_sharp

Thanks. :) And do not make fun of it. That cord is an old one.

64 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:56:18pm

re: #47 b_sharp

Somebody do me a favour please and click on the following link and tell me if you see any pics.

[Link: beadtothebone.ca...]

Yep. I see pics. Some naked guy. Is that you?

//

65 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:56:23pm

re: #60 Varek Raith

Nope.
How's New Vegas?
Bugs ironed out?

Yeah, just hit over 400 hours played.

66 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:56:26pm

re: #62 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That's why you get the PC version, then download a shitload of mods. Hell, believe it or not, there's people out there who've figured out how to install mods to the XBox 360, being nothing more than a gaming computer itself. The future of gaming isn't what comes strictly from the studio, but what gamers can do with it afterward.

I mod every game I play.
I just stay away from FPSs. They bore me.

67 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:56:49pm

re: #61 prononymous

The original?

The new ones, FO3 and NV

68 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:57:01pm

re: #55 Varek Raith

Nope. Game companies today make criminally short games so that you get bored and buy the next one.
;)

Great.

Time to get him back into trying to design his own game again. He's autistic with ADHD and keeping him interested in something can be fun.

69 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:57:40pm

re: #65 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah, just hit over 400 hours played.

FO3 or NV?

70 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:58:01pm

This game is more my type.
[Link: www.matrixgames.com...]

71 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:59:01pm

re: #47 b_sharp

Somebody do me a favour please and click on the following link and tell me if you see any pics.

[Link: beadtothebone.ca...]

The pic of Cinnamon is coming up blank...

[Link: beadtothebone.ca...]

72 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:59:04pm

re: #53 PhillyPretzel

Can anyone see the picture?

It works!

73 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:59:07pm

re: #63 PhillyPretzel

Thanks. :) And do not make fun of it. That cord is an old one.

Please convey my apologies to your cord.

74 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:59:08pm

re: #69 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

FO3 or NV?

Just NV.

You haven't lived until you played the whole game as a pacifist.

And then there was the time I cleared the whole NCR prison with only a tire iron.

75 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:59:30pm

Kids want KFC. I will return.

76 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 5:59:43pm

re: #72 Killgore Trout

Yay!

77 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:00:01pm

re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just NV.

You haven't lived until you played the whole game as a pacifist.

And then there was the time I cleared the whole NCR prison with only a tire iron.

It amuses me to take out people with a teddy bear in FO3.
MUHAHAHA!

78 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:00:03pm

re: #64 Gus 802

Yep. I see pics. Some naked guy. Is that you?

//

Yah, I took a picture of the wife sitting in front of a full length mirror while I was naked.

Turned out well, don't you think.

79 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:00:10pm

re: #73 b_sharp

Will do :)

80 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:00:32pm

re: #44 b_sharp

There are a lot of nerd girls out there.

How To Be a Single Male After Age 30 Whether You Want To Be Or Not:

1) possess a modest and adequate (but MERELY adequate) number of dollars
2) be happily child-free, and express (when asked) that you are not even slightly interested in having children, and are in fact rather vehemently opposed to the notion
3) fail to love her parents every bit as much as she loves them
4) fail to be attracted to someone who weighs more than twice your body weight
5) fail to remain interested in someone who can't stop talking about her ex and their money problems and her ex and her ex and her ex, and also her mother

81 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:00:40pm

re: #78 b_sharp

Yah, I took a picture of the wife sitting in front of a full length mirror while I was naked.

Turned out well, don't you think.

Turned out perfectly.

82 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:01:25pm

re: #71 Gus 802

The pic of Cinnamon is coming up blank...

[Link: beadtothebone.ca...]

That's the next problem to iron out, some pics don't show up. I don't know if it's the format or size.

83 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:02:28pm

re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just NV.

You haven't lived until you played the whole game as a pacifist.

And then there was the time I cleared the whole NCR prison with only a tire iron.

I couldn't do a pure pacifist run, but I do plug a lot of skill points into speech, science, and other skills to avoid fights and such. Plus getting some of the best endings.

Speaking of endings, I really need to start up a new game eventually. Still have to work towards the House and Caesar's Legion endings.

84 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:02:38pm

re: #82 b_sharp

That's the next problem to iron out, some pics don't show up. I don't know if it's the format or size.

Have you tried deleting it and reuploading? I can't think of anything.

85 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:03:02pm

Page Pimping: Geraldo Stages Fake Firefight for Fox News?
Can I get some tweets?

86 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:05:24pm

re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just NV.

You haven't lived until you played the whole game as a pacifist.

And then there was the time I cleared the whole NCR prison with only a tire iron.

I used to try to see how far I could get in Grand Theft Auto without running afoul of the law or doing anything unduly violent.

It's useful that once you've jacked a taxi or ambulance, the game will permit you to take its calls and make pick-ups with it, thereby providing you with a quasi-legal source of income.

87 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:07:11pm

re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist

I used to try to see how far I could get in Grand Theft Auto without running afoul of the law or doing anything unduly violent.

It's useful that once you've jacked a taxi or ambulance, the game will permit you to take its calls and make pick-ups with it, thereby providing you with a quasi-legal source of income.

Whut. SFZ plays GTA?!?!
Whut?!
:P

88 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:07:52pm

re: #87 Varek Raith

Whut. SFZ plays GTA?!?!
Whut?!
:P

This information has shattered my fragile little mind...

///

89 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:08:58pm

re: #84 Gus 802

Have you tried deleting it and reuploading? I can't think of anything.

I just added a few. Could you check for me?

90 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:09:13pm

re: #85 Killgore Trout

Page Pimping: Geraldo Stages Fake Firefight for Fox News?
Can I get some tweets?

Looks like a loop -- keeps repeating the one guy crouched over running with the RPG and the guy with the auto firing into the air.

91 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:09:26pm

re: #87 Varek Raith

Whut. SFZ plays GTA?!?!
Whut?!
:P

Years ago, before my husband discovered WoW, he went through a GTA stage. I would play with it back then...I can't really say I would PLAY it, which involves more dedication and focus than I was willing to bring.

92 darthstar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:09:35pm

Watching the repeat of Friday's Bill Maher show. He joked about Donald Trump and then, after joking about his hotel service's birth certificates, said "I'm only joking. I wouldn't stay at a Trump hotel." Then he said he used to stay at Trump hotels all the time, but that he won't support a "birther hotel"...that little spear could fly a bit.

93 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:10:29pm

re: #85 Killgore Trout

Page Pimping: Geraldo Stages Fake Firefight for Fox News?
Can I get some tweets?

Done.

94 prairiefire  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:10:52pm

re: #47 b_sharp

Somebody do me a favour please and click on the following link and tell me if you see any pics.

[Link: beadtothebone.ca...]

Is that Remmington?

95 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:11:02pm

re: #90 Gus 802

Looks like a loop -- keeps repeating the one guy crouched over running with the RPG and the guy with the auto firing into the air.

Yeah, they're only using about 20 seconds of video for that segment.

96 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:11:14pm

re: #93 b_sharp

Thanks.

97 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:11:29pm

re: #89 b_sharp

I just added a few. Could you check for me?

These are coming up blank:

PC230003
PC230002
Picture 085

98 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:12:52pm

Maybe we'll find out what it takes to get fired from Fox News.

99 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:12:58pm

re: #94 prairiefire

Is that Remmington?

Nope. I'll go photo the little bugger and post them. BBIAB.

100 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:13:19pm

re: #97 Gus 802

These are coming up blank:

PC230003
PC230002
Picture 085

Thanks Gus.

101 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:13:44pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

Maybe we'll find out what it takes to get fired from Fox News.

Yeah, it doesn't seem like he's being attacked.
Very iffy vid, imo.

102 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:14:20pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

Maybe we'll find out what it takes to get fired from Fox News.

You know Fox News. They'll probably have the video pulled any minute now.

103 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:15:31pm

re: #101 Varek Raith

I wasn't so sure until I saw the comments at Fox Nation. None of them are buying it either. I think it's pretty obviously faked. Nothing definitive but it looks pretty bad.

104 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:15:51pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

Maybe we'll find out what it takes to get fired from Fox News.

Of all the people they will fire, it will be Giraldo.

Not end of times Beck. No.

105 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:17:45pm

re: #103 Killgore Trout

I wasn't so sure until I saw the comments at Fox Nation. None of them are buying it either. I think it's pretty obviously faked. Nothing definitive but it looks pretty bad.

The whole thing is pretty goofy. What a bunch of cornballs.

106 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:17:51pm

re: #103 Killgore Trout

I wasn't so sure until I saw the comments at Fox Nation. None of them are buying it either. I think it's pretty obviously faked. Nothing definitive but it looks pretty bad.

everything is fake about that guy, including his plastic moustache

107 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:17:58pm

re: #104 Stanley Sea

I'm not sure what Geraldo's ratings are but they aren't great.

108 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:18:42pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

I'm not sure what Geraldo's ratings are but they aren't great.

he's TV meat, that's all

109 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:19:42pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

I'm not sure what Geraldo's ratings are but they aren't great.

Easy kill to show their unbalanced cred.

gah

110 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:20:59pm

re: #108 albusteve

he's TV meat, that's all

I think he's part of the outreach Fox is making towards nutty libertarians, Paulians and Alex Jones types. He came out as a 9-11 truther recently. It's not a huge audience but they are loyal.

111 darthstar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:21:35pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

I'm not sure what Geraldo's ratings are but they aren't great.

He was good when he was young and showing the Opium/Heroin trade in its entirety...that was some compelling TV. Then he tried to be Jerry Springer without a moderator and sank into a world far more soul-killing than the drug business.

112 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:23:04pm

Thanks for the tweets, guys.

113 darthstar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:23:12pm

re: #47 b_sharp

Somebody do me a favour please and click on the following link and tell me if you see any pics.

[Link: beadtothebone.ca...]

the pootie is a cutie

114 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:23:38pm

re: #110 Killgore Trout

I think he's part of the outreach Fox is making towards nutty libertarians, Paulians and Alex Jones types. He came out as a 9-11 truther recently. It's not a huge audience but they are loyal.

probably, but to me he is exactly nobody, just like all the rest..I hate the MSM

115 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:24:41pm

re: #110 Killgore Trout

I think he's part of the outreach Fox is making towards nutty libertarians, Paulians and Alex Jones types. He came out as a 9-11 truther recently. It's not a huge audience but they are loyal.

The whole things was set up working backwards to fit the Fox News narrative. It's not news at all but commentary masked as news. They key word here being "stalemate" that he emphasizes towards the end.

116 darthstar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:26:44pm

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporality embarrassed millionaires."
— John Steinbeck

Fuck yeah.

117 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:27:05pm

re: #115 Gus 802

The whole things was set up working backwards to fit the Fox News narrative. It's not news at all but commentary masked as news. They key word here being "stalemate" that he emphasizes towards the end.

He's there business model's sacrificial lamb. Or not.

118 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:28:04pm

re: #116 darthstar

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporality embarrassed millionaires."
— John Steinbeck

Fuck yeah.

And on one hand, that says something wonderful about Americans, and on the other, it says something rather distressing.

119 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:28:16pm

re: #116 darthstar

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporality embarrassed millionaires."
— John Steinbeck

Fuck yeah.

Heh.

120 darthstar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:28:22pm

re: #116 darthstar

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporality embarrassed millionaires."
— John Steinbeck

Fuck yeah.

I'd make that my fuckin' signature line on my email if I didn't work for a big fuckin' company.

121 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:29:00pm

re: #117 Stanley Sea

He's there business model's sacrificial lamb. Or not.

I think of him as another pea in the Fox News pod. They're all about the same. A lot of manipulated news reported by National Enquirer type correspondents -- i.e. very cheesy.

122 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:29:45pm

re: #116 darthstar

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporality embarrassed millionaires."
— John Steinbeck

Fuck yeah.

Ain't that the frakin' truth.

123 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:32:07pm

re: #116 darthstar

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporality embarrassed millionaires."
— John Steinbeck

Fuck yeah.

Good one. Yeah. A lot of people are against repealing the Bush tax cuts because some day they're going to win the lottery. The lottery is the economic opium of the American masses.

124 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:33:46pm

re: #121 Gus 802

I think of him as another pea in the Fox News pod. They're all about the same. A lot of manipulated news reported by National Enquirer type correspondents -- i.e. very cheesy.

I can't stand any of it....the sofas and coffee tables, the touch screen graphics, blondes, laptops sitting there as props, the endless repetition etc....what a load of bullshit....how people can subject themselves to that sort of brain rot is beyond me

125 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:34:02pm

re: #123 Gus 802

Good one. Yeah. A lot of people are against repealing the Bush tax cuts because some day they're going to win the lottery. The lottery is the economic opium of the American masses.

The best description I've ever heard of the lottery is "a tax on people bad at math."

126 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:34:02pm

It's not the endless use of n**** as a form of address that's irritating me about the conversation between the two young men out in the courtyard. It's the use of 'Knowwhaddamean?" to punctuate every sentence.

127 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:34:16pm

re: #123 Gus 802

Good one. Yeah. A lot of people are against repealing the Bush tax cuts because some day they're going to win the lottery. The lottery is the economic opium of the American masses.

I'd love to be in the highest tax bracket.
$$$
:)

128 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:34:28pm

I'm surprised Fox News never hired Maury Povich or Tyra Banks to be one of their newscasters. They'd fit right in.

129 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:34:52pm

re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist

It's not the endless use of n*** as a form of address that's irritating me about the conversation between the two young men out in the courtyard. It's the use of 'Knowwhaddamean?" to punctuate every sentence.

Wachatalkinaboot???

130 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:35:01pm

re: #128 Gus 802

I'm surprised Fox News never hired Maury Povich or Tyra Banks to be one of their newscasters. They'd fit right in.

NEXT

131 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:35:16pm

re: #129 Varek Raith

Wachatalkinaboot???

Willis

//

132 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:35:43pm

re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist

It's not the endless use of n*** as a form of address that's irritating me about the conversation between the two young men out in the courtyard. It's the use of 'Knowwhaddamean?" to punctuate every sentence.

I'd say something about the butchering of the English language, but I regularly greet people by saying "Howdy," refer to groups as "Ya'll," and use the word "Ain't."

133 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:35:57pm

re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist

It's not the endless use of n*** as a form of address that's irritating me about the conversation between the two young men out in the courtyard. It's the use of 'Knowwhaddamean?" to punctuate every sentence.

New neighbors?

134 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:36:32pm

re: #128 Gus 802

I'm surprised Fox News never hired Maury Povich or Tyra Banks to be one of their newscasters. They'd fit right in.

so would Laurel and Hardy, and be more entertaining

135 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:36:32pm

re: #128 Gus 802

I'm surprised Fox News never hired Maury Povich or Tyra Banks to be one of their newscasters. They'd fit right in.

I've always thought of Tyra Banks as being rather too classy for such company. Also, she's usually a brunette. They seem to have a thing for blondes. Although I suppose that if they offered enough money, she could go blonde.

She'd look great, but she's Tyra Banks. She always looks great.

136 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:36:49pm

re: #132 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'd say something about the butchering of the English language, but I regularly greet people by saying "Howdy," refer to groups as "Ya'll," and use the word "Ain't."

There's a nucular bomb on the ruff.

137 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:37:10pm

re: #132 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'd say something about the butchering of the English language, but I regularly greet people by saying "Howdy," refer to groups as "Ya'll," and use the word "Ain't."

The words in between are quite sensible, really, I just wish they'd stop saying "Knowwhaddamean?"

138 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:37:24pm

re: #135 SanFranciscoZionist

I've always thought of Tyra Banks as being rather too classy for such company. Also, she's usually a brunette. They seem to have a thing for blondes. Although I suppose that if they offered enough money, she could go blonde.

She'd look great, but she's Tyra Banks. She always looks great.

Oops. You're right. What was I thinking. Wrong demographic for Fox News.

139 darthstar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:37:27pm

re: #123 Gus 802

Good one. Yeah. A lot of people are against repealing the Bush tax cuts because some day they're going to win the lottery. The lottery is the economic opium of the American masses.

I play the lotto. I play 20 draws at a time, and check my numbers about every 35 or 50 draws...so I miss a few. When I win (and I will win - whether I have a ticket that day or not is another story) I'm going to do something. (I'll keep doing shit until then, but I suspect the something I will do won't be what I wanted to do in my early twenties when I thought I'd win the lottery--buy a big fucking bag of cocaine and throw a party for all my friends--or my early 30s--buy a big fucking yacht and start sailing west--but it should be something).

140 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:38:22pm

re: #139 darthstar

I play the lotto. I play 20 draws at a time, and check my numbers about every 35 or 50 draws...so I miss a few. When I win (and I will win - whether I have a ticket that day or not is another story) I'm going to do something. (I'll keep doing shit until then, but I suspect the something I will do won't be what I wanted to do in my early twenties when I thought I'd win the lottery--buy a big fucking bag of cocaine and throw a party for all my friends--or my early 30s--buy a big fucking yacht and start sailing west--but it should be something).

Yeah. I buy some tickets once in a while. It's only a matter of time before I win too.

//

141 darthstar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:38:55pm

re: #133 Gus 802

New neighbors?

Sound more like Brits who love reruns of Diff'rent Strokes.

142 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:39:19pm

re: #132 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'd say something about the butchering of the English language, but I regularly greet people by saying "Howdy," refer to groups as "Ya'll," and use the word "Ain't."

All perfectly cromulent words.

143 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:39:22pm

re: #133 Gus 802

New neighbors?

I don't know if they're new, or if they're just becoming more apparent now that the weather is warm. They're barbecuing downstairs, and I have my windows open to catch the breeze. Everyone has been coming outside.

Yesterday, the two little girls from downstairs got in BIG trouble with the manager over pulling leaves off plants. I think they were supposed to be bandages for Doctor Malibu Barbie to use in her missions to the desperately injured.

144 darthstar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:39:36pm

re: #140 Gus 802

Yeah. I buy some tickets once in a while. It's only a matter of time before I win too.

//

I give myself 43,532 years. After that, I'm quitting for good. Win or lose...maybe.

145 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:39:50pm

I've fantasized a time or two about what I'd do if I ever won the lottery...then turned on TV and heard nothing but horror stories about folks who actually have. Everything from "relatives" showing up on their doorsteps in search of money to hate and animosity from people who think they "didn't deserve it," to even death threats from people who think that it's "their money."

Thanks, but no thanks.

146 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:39:57pm

re: #139 darthstar

I play the lotto. I play 20 draws at a time, and check my numbers about every 35 or 50 draws...so I miss a few. When I win (and I will win - whether I have a ticket that day or not is another story) I'm going to do something. (I'll keep doing shit until then, but I suspect the something I will do won't be what I wanted to do in my early twenties when I thought I'd win the lottery--buy a big fucking bag of cocaine and throw a party for all my friends--or my early 30s--buy a big fucking yacht and start sailing west--but it should be something).

the first thing I'd do with a winner is buy a mint 67-69 Z28...no exceptions

147 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:40:59pm

re: #144 darthstar

I give myself 43,532 years. After that, I'm quitting for good. Win or lose...maybe.

I just told somebody it'll take another billion years before I win the lottery.

148 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:41:34pm

re: #145 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I've fantasized a time or two about what I'd do if I ever won the lottery...then turned on TV and heard nothing but horror stories about folks who actually have. Everything from "relatives" showing up on their doorsteps in search of money to hate and animosity from people who think they "didn't deserve it," to even death threats from people who think that it's "their money."

Thanks, but no thanks.

bullshit...I don't believe that for a second

149 darthstar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:42:10pm

re: #146 albusteve

the first thing I'd do with a winner is buy a mint 67-69 Z28...no exceptions

Only if you mount an 8-track in its dashboard and then roll it over in a muddy field after drinking Southern Comfort with twin red-heads.

150 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:42:17pm

re: #135 SanFranciscoZionist

I've always thought of Tyra Banks as being rather too classy for such company. Also, she's usually a brunette. They seem to have a thing for blondes. Although I suppose that if they offered enough money, she could go blonde.

She'd look great, but she's Tyra Banks. She always looks great.

I'd pay to watch her throw a cell phone at Megyn Kelly's head tho'.

151 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:43:43pm

re: #149 darthstar

Only if you mount an 8-track in its dashboard and then roll it over in a muddy field after drinking Southern Comfort with twin red-heads.

make that Capt Morgan, the rest is cool

152 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:44:22pm

re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know if they're new, or if they're just becoming more apparent now that the weather is warm. They're barbecuing downstairs, and I have my windows open to catch the breeze. Everyone has been coming outside.

Yesterday, the two little girls from downstairs got in BIG trouble with the manager over pulling leaves off plants. I think they were supposed to be bandages for Doctor Malibu Barbie to use in her missions to the desperately injured.

Yikes. That would drive me crazy. Someone was barbecuing around here the day before yesterday. Let me tell you. When I'm at a barbecue it smells great for the most part. But this stuff smelled gross and it comes wafting up into the apartment. I don't want to smell other people's burned meat.

153 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:45:01pm

re: #146 albusteve

the first thing I'd do with a winner is buy a mint 67-69 Z28...no exceptions

I'd set up shop as a Mexican drug lord.

//

154 darthstar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:45:30pm

re: #151 albusteve

make that Capt Morgan, the rest is cool

Fine...even though it didn't exist in the late sixties/early seventies.

155 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:46:47pm

Either that or I would check into that hospital on "House" and blow it all in two days.

//

156 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:48:06pm

re: #148 albusteve

bullshit...I don't believe that for a second

Hell, just google "Lottery Horror Stories" or any words along those lines and find out for yourself. More than a few have wound up filing bankruptcy within a year or so, others have been murdered or had attempts on their lives, and one sorry sack I read about ended up losing the majority of it in divorce court.

157 darthstar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:48:54pm

re: #155 Gus 802

Either that or I would check into that hospital on "House" and blow it all in two days.

//

And that's just on getting a diagnosis. I always say that to my wife (who loves that show)...I mean, the co-pays aren't bad, but when you get that much treatment, you're looking at resubmitting bills for years before the insurance company finally closes the books on it.

158 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:49:03pm

After the whole new house, pay bills, etc etc, I'm buying an entire chapter's worth of Marines. Veteran 1st company, Battle Companies, Scout company, Thunderhawks, Land Raiders, the works.

159 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:49:03pm

re: #156 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Hell, just google "Lottery Horror Stories" or any words along those lines and find out for yourself. More than a few have wound up filing bankruptcy within a year or so, others have been murdered or had attempts on their lives, and one sorry sack I read about ended up losing the majority of it in divorce court.

that's not what I disbelieve....you would not turn down a winner

160 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:49:19pm

re: #140 Gus 802

Yeah. I buy some tickets once in a while. It's only a matter of time before I win too.

//

My friend, for real, dropped his sister off at the airport at 330 yesterday. For some reason he thought that a good time to hit the casino 20 miles out.

So he did.

He hit the 5000.00 jackpot on (he's embarrassed) Lady Bug game.

He bought himself a motorcycle today.

Yay!

161 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:49:54pm

re: #155 Gus 802

Either that or I would check into that hospital on "House" and blow it all in two days.

//

We think you have cancer. We think you have MS. We think you have Brachial Plexus Neuropathies. We think you have a brain tumor.

Turns out. You were allergic to your shoes.

House.

//

162 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:50:02pm

re: #159 albusteve

that's not what I disbelieve...you would not turn down a winner

Oh, if I won, I'd take the money. Thing is, knowing the shit that they go through, I'm not sure I'd want it.

163 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:50:48pm

re: #150 goddamnedfrank

Wait. Tyra's not the cell phone thrower. That's Naomi Campbell. Used to date the dude from U2, but now a Russian Olgiarch.

164 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:51:32pm

re: #161 Gus 802

We think you have cancer. We think you have MS. We think you have Brachial Plexus Neuropathies. We think you have a brain tumor.

Turns out. You were allergic to your shoes.

House.

//

Meanwhile your doctor is spending more time screwing around with his own life than actually paying attention to your case. But don't worry, just as soon as you're on death's door, he'll be there to provide a simple cure. By the way, all those tests we ran, just to find out it was a basic illness? Yeah, expect those on your bill.

//

165 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:52:35pm

re: #164 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What if its Lupus?

166 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:53:25pm

re: #165 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What if its Lupus?

It's never lupus!

(Except for that one episode in which it was, indeed, lupus.)

/

167 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:54:05pm

re: #152 Gus 802

Cabbage is worse, if you wanted to know!

168 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:54:57pm

re: #160 Stanley Sea

WOOT!

169 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:56:10pm

re: #164 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Meanwhile your doctor is spending more time screwing around with his own life than actually paying attention to your case. But don't worry, just as soon as you're on death's door, he'll be there to provide a simple cure. By the way, all those tests we ran, just to find out it was a basic illness? Yeah, expect those on your bill.

//

Dr. Kildare meets The OC.

//

170 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:56:11pm

re: #168 Floral Giraffe

WOOT!

My housemate, at this moment, is on the back of that death ride.

171 darthstar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:56:37pm

I'm relieved to see that I'm not the only person who thinks House is a stupid fucking show due to the amount of money it would actually cost, per patient, to get that kind of care.

I'd really like to start a website that listed the estimated bills for each episode. Then I'd like to buy commercial time (here's that lotto winning going down the toilet again) after each show to say, "Without Obamacare, this show would have cost you, as the patient, $342,592 dollars."

172 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:56:52pm

re: #166 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It's never lupus!

(Except for that one episode in which it was, indeed, lupus.)

/

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173 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:58:52pm

re: #171 darthstar

I'm relieved to see that I'm not the only person who thinks House is a stupid fucking show due to the amount of money it would actually cost, per patient, to get that kind of care.

I'd really like to start a website that listed the estimated bills for each episode. Then I'd like to buy commercial time (here's that lotto winning going down the toilet again) after each show to say, "Without Obamacare, this show would have cost you, as the patient, $342,592 dollars."

It's what the Republican Party think everyone is treated like when they go to a hospital. Why we have the best health care in the world -- just like "House"! Derp.

174 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:59:20pm

I want to thank everyone for the positive response to my message #119 on the last thread.

I also wanted to share a strange insight that occurred to me while I was re-reading it just now, one that may be difficult to explain. It had to do with my use of the first person in the narrative,"I happened to be flying," "I saw," etc.
What seemed strange, almost uncanny, was the realization that the confident boy-pilot of 1972 and the gray-haired grandfather of today really are one and the same. That is me in my memory, though so very different and living in a different world. The impression lasted for just a second: Of course the older people among us are the same individuals they were 40 years ago. They are very different in many ways as well though. I suspect that many people who are fortunate enough to live into their 60s have the same kind of feeling when they examine the deeper reaches of living memory.

175 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 6:59:23pm

I admit, I don't watch House anymore for the medical drama portion of it, but more to see where his life is going to go this week. There's no doubt doctors across the country who tune in every night, and by the end of episode, think to themselves "If I pulled that shit, I'd be out of the building with a pink slip by lunch time."

176 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:01:16pm

re: #171 darthstar

I'm relieved to see that I'm not the only person who thinks House is a stupid fucking show due to the amount of money it would actually cost, per patient, to get that kind of care.

I'd really like to start a website that listed the estimated bills for each episode. Then I'd like to buy commercial time (here's that lotto winning going down the toilet again) after each show to say, "Without Obamacare, this show would have cost you, as the patient, $342,592 dollars."

I personally love House, since as far as I'm concerned, the hospital is just a backdrop to the drama of HOUSE. I'm in it for the repartee.

I assume that if I were a medical professional it would make me insane.

177 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:01:31pm

re: #175 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I admit, I don't watch House anymore for the medical drama portion of it, but more to see where his life is going to go this week. There's no doubt doctors across the country who tune in every night, and by the end of episode, think to themselves "If I pulled that shit, I'd be out of the building with a pink slip by lunch time."

I don't know. I was starting to like it but frankly, I can't watch a show about an asshole. And House has morphed into a childish asshole again. He probably would not only be fired in real life but sued for sexual harassment and imprisoned for other things.

178 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:02:26pm

5 Things TV Writers Apparently Believe About Smart People

179 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:02:48pm

re: #177 Gus 802

I don't know. I was starting to like it but frankly, I can't watch a show about an asshole. And House has morphed into a childish asshole again. He probably would not only be fired in real life but sued for sexual harassment and imprisoned for other things.

Somehow it totally works for me.

180 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:02:59pm

re: #177 Gus 802

I don't know. I was starting to like it but frankly, I can't watch a show about an asshole. And House has morphed into a childish asshole again. He probably would not only be fired in real life but sued for sexual harassment and imprisoned for other things.

Zedushka quit watching House when he moved in with Cuddy. He was sooo disappointed in Cuddy. He said, "I thought Cuddy was so smart. Why did she have to be so stupid?"

181 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:03:29pm

re: #173 Gus 802

It's what the Republican Party think everyone is treated like when they go to a hospital. Why we have the best health care in the world -- just like "House"! Derp.

And notice there's never a portion of the episode where House or one of the crew comes in and says that the very expensive test they need to perform has been denied by the insurance company. Or talk about whether or not he's hit his "lifetime limit" and will need to start paying out of pocket for everything down to the cotton swaps they're using on him.

Hell, even last week the patient was a homeless guy. The response when he says that he's not going to let them do anything to him that he'll have to pay for? "I don't think they have a collection agency in the park."

182 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:03:53pm

Speaking of smart, my daughter got accepted to Columbia grad school.

The bad news, she probably won't go, unless she can find a sponsor.

183 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:04:12pm

re: #174 Shiplord Kirel

I want to thank you for sharing the experience. It was an amazing point of view. (Better than the POV when you cut your leg!).

184 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:04:19pm

re: #181 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And notice there's never a portion of the episode where House or one of the crew comes in and says that the very expensive test they need to perform has been denied by the insurance company. Or talk about whether or not he's hit his "lifetime limit" and will need to start paying out of pocket for everything down to the cotton swaps they're using on him.

Hell, even last week the patient was a homeless guy. The response when he says that he's not going to let them do anything to him that he'll have to pay for? "I don't think they have a collection agency in the park."

The patient was a cannibal!

185 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:04:26pm

re: #181 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And notice there's never a portion of the episode where House or one of the crew comes in and says that the very expensive test they need to perform has been denied by the insurance company. Or talk about whether or not he's hit his "lifetime limit" and will need to start paying out of pocket for everything down to the cotton swaps they're using on him.

Hell, even last week the patient was a homeless guy. The response when he says that he's not going to let them do anything to him that he'll have to pay for? "I don't think they have a collection agency in the park."

do you realize the show is fake? like not real?

186 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:05:16pm

My wife was complaining they mixed up the original recipe and extra crispy chicken, so I went ahead and ate all the breading and left her the chicken.

I'm just a considerate guy like that.

187 darthstar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:05:18pm

re: #176 SanFranciscoZionist

I personally love House, since as far as I'm concerned, the hospital is just a backdrop to the drama of HOUSE. I'm in it for the repartee.

I assume that if I were a medical professional it would make me insane.

It's entertaining, yes, and sometimes I really like it (with its Australian lead actor), but hey, it's Fox. I do like the show, but I wish they'd list the price tag for treatment at the end.

188 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:05:38pm

re: #181 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And notice there's never a portion of the episode where House or one of the crew comes in and says that the very expensive test they need to perform has been denied by the insurance company. Or talk about whether or not he's hit his "lifetime limit" and will need to start paying out of pocket for everything down to the cotton swaps they're using on him.

Hell, even last week the patient was a homeless guy. The response when he says that he's not going to let them do anything to him that he'll have to pay for? "I don't think they have a collection agency in the park."

Yeah. That was a trip. A homeless guy who they didn't discharge after they stabilized his symptoms. Before that they had some barely employed bass player. I was just laughing at the fantasy they created. None of these people would even be admitted to a hospital like that. It's almost like science fiction.

189 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:06:10pm

re: #185 albusteve

do you realize the show is fake? like not real?

Uh...yeah? You did notice we were lampooning that, right? It's like a lot of medical dramas: You tune in to watch the drama, with the medicine there as more of a backdrop. If they actually showed you what went on in a real hospital, people might turn off their TVs.

190 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:06:15pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

Somehow it totally works for me.

Well, they're losing me. It's just starting to get on my nerves.

191 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:06:20pm

re: #186 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My wife was complaining they mixed up the original recipe and extra crispy chicken, so I went ahead and ate all the breading and left her the chicken.

I'm just a considerate guy like that.

Have fun on the couch.
/

192 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:06:43pm

re: #186 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

LOL!
You seem like you would think that eating the breading is considerate.
Add 25 pounds to your weight, an, lo! it is!

193 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:06:52pm

re: #174 Shiplord Kirel

It's a very curious thing, this passage of time that we're all doing.

194 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:07:54pm

re: #189 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Uh...yeah? You did notice we were lampooning that, right? It's like a lot of medical dramas: You tune in to watch the drama, with the medicine there as more of a backdrop. If they actually showed you what went on in a real hospital, people might turn off their TVs.

how dare you lampoon such fine, sophisticated entertainment?

195 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:08:14pm

re: #184 Alouette

The patient was a cannibal!

Yeah, that was a bit of a shock ending. "Yeah, the guy who we've brought back from death time and again? Yeah, he's a serial killer who happens to be a cannibal." This close to the season finale, I can only imagine how they're going to end things. Can't kill a character or fire them, they've already done that before.

196 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:08:22pm

re: #189 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Uh...yeah? You did notice we were lampooning that, right? It's like a lot of medical dramas: You tune in to watch the drama, with the medicine there as more of a backdrop. If they actually showed you what went on in a real hospital, people might turn off their TVs.

TV sucks.
:)

197 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:08:39pm

re: #194 albusteve

how dare you lampoon such fine, sophisticated entertainment?

...because I'm bored?

198 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:10:34pm

re: #196 Varek Raith

TV sucks.
:)

Because they cancel all the best shows

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199 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:12:12pm

[Link: www.time.com...]
Television is the opiate of the masses.

200 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:14:03pm

I've mostly forgiven Fox, especially now that they've renewed Fringe for a fourth season. Just so long as they finally drop the "alternative universe" storyline after this season.

201 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:15:42pm

re: #199 Floral Giraffe

[Link: www.time.com...]
Television is the opiate of the masses.

Too late. We've reached the point where people want to be entertained all of the time. It begins soon after the child is born and plopped in front of TV to be "entertained" nearly 24/7. Public television can no longer even produce a once serious program without injecting a heavy dose of infotainment and a bass line at 100 decibels.

202 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:16:58pm

re: #201 Gus 802

SHOOT YER TEEVEE!

203 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:17:46pm

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised

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204 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:18:20pm

re: #201 Gus 802

Too late. We've reached the point where people want to be entertained all of the time. It begins soon after the child is born and plopped in front of TV to be "entertained" nearly 24/7. Public television can no longer even produce a once serious program without injecting a heavy dose of infotainment and a bass line at 100 decibels.

That's why we've begun to retreat to the gaming world, where real story-telling still goes on. I've seen more worthwhile ideas in video games than I've seen either on TV or in theaters in a good while.

205 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:18:38pm

re: #198 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Because they cancel all the best shows

[Video]

I really like "Human Target" right now. That's fun.

I fear it is not long for this world.

206 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:19:21pm

re: #203 Killgore Trout

And, that's a GOOD thing!

207 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:20:19pm

re: #204 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That's why we've begun to retreat to the gaming world, where real story-telling still goes on. I've seen more worthwhile ideas in video games than I've seen either on TV or in theaters in a good while.

I don't know much about the gaming world but it can be a creative endeavor with some users. At least then it become a productive task. A hobby if you will in creating new CGI or character painting, etc. That's another thing that's vanished in America: hobbies.

208 abolitionist  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:20:44pm

re: #200 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I've mostly forgiven Fox, especially now that they've renewed Fringe for a fourth season. Just so long as they finally drop the "alternative universe" storyline after this season.

Not likely. There's supposed to be a third one, too, according to the creators of Fringe. I've liked just about every episode.

209 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:21:34pm

re: #201 Gus 802

Too late. We've reached the point where people want to be entertained all of the time. It begins soon after the child is born and plopped in front of TV to be "entertained" nearly 24/7. Public television can no longer even produce a once serious program without injecting a heavy dose of infotainment and a bass line at 100 decibels.

It's NOT too late. All you have to do is turn it off.
Go outside. Feel the nice air. Talk to a real person.
It's not hard!

210 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:22:49pm

I don't know about House. I could never stop laughing at the premise to actually watch an episode. Then again, I feel that way about 99% of TV. When the great "change" to digital happened we used it as an excuse to recycle our TV and I really don't miss it. Heck, the last network show I watch with any regularity was Quantum Leap till it leaped the shark.

Best TV I've watched in the last decade or so? Avatar - The Last Airbender. The rest? Meh...

211 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:24:02pm

re: #209 Floral Giraffe

It's NOT too late. All you have to do is turn it off.
Go outside. Feel the nice air. Talk to a real person.
It's not hard!

Take a class - learn to do stained glass.
No, it's not hard to do at all.

212 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:25:23pm

re: #210 wlewisiii

I don't know about House. I could never stop laughing at the premise to actually watch an episode. Then again, I feel that way about 99% of TV. When the great "change" to digital happened we used it as an excuse to recycle our TV and I really don't miss it. Heck, the last network show I watch with any regularity was Quantum Leap till it leaped the shark.

Best TV I've watched in the last decade or so? Avatar - The Last Airbender. The rest? Meh...

And then there was Zim.

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213 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:26:20pm

re: #207 Gus 802

I don't know much about the gaming world but it can be a creative endeavor with some users. At least then it become a productive task. A hobby if you will in creating new CGI or character painting, etc. That's another thing that's vanished in America: hobbies.

An endeavor that some game companies are supporting, including creating programs for players to do everything from create single units to maps to entire storylines. Meanwhile, the movie and music companies are sending out C&Ds to anybody who uses so much as a snippet of "their product" without permission or paying the necessary fees.

214 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:28:04pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Any lizards want to take a crack at his one? Geraldo does have a history of faking news coverage and this doesn't look right...
Geraldo Caught in the Middle of a Fire Fight in Libya

I realize he's pretty old but that's not the kind of running someone under fire would do. Also he gets on the ground in the open, not near one of the many nearby trees. He says, "I was just afraid of getting shot in the back by the rebels as getting shot in the front by Q'Daffy's forces. That means he's running towards the Q'Daffy forces as they fire on him. If you make it to about 3:00 you can see the camera taking cover behind a wall. The rebels are standing in the open firing in the air. The wall would provide no cover from the pro-government forces so if that's who they're hiding from they are on the wrong side of the wall.

Looks to me like Paliwood meets Al Capone's Vault.

215 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:29:08pm

re: #193 Killgore Trout

It's a very curious thing, this passage of time that we're all doing.

What really freaks me out is how well I remember the 1950s and the Eisenhower administration. Recent generations are fortunate compared to their ancestors in that technology has provided a comprehensive and accurate visual record of the past century or so: film, videotape, really good photographs and, now, various digital media.
Pulling up an actual memory of 1959 is not the same as seeing a film of it though. On film, the strangeness jumps out at you, tail-finned cars, odd clothes, unfamiliar signs, things like that. In my memories, they don't jump out even though I can clearly remember what things and people looked like. I suppose this is because in real memory these things are not strange, the present in the memory was the norm. Giant tail-fins and frumpy '47 Buicks do not seem strange in memory because they were not strange at the time. Beyond that, as an adult of advanced years I would probably see things in pictures that I would not have noticed as a child. My fifth grade teacher, a Miss Peake, was a very attractive woman and I had a minor crush on her. I don't remember anything about how she dressed though. It would probably make for a strikingly retro picture. She would now be about 77 years old.

216 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:30:06pm

Just curious whether anyone here, who has followed the "climategate" debate at all, is familiar with the name Jeff Id.

I've been over at his blog and he claims that he has been "censored" by the monitors at Krugman's blog because they recognized his name and/or were worried about the damaging implications of a comment that he left on the blog.

I've been trying to explain to him that he isn't quite as famous as he thinks - and it is highly unlikely that the reason his post didn't go through was because his name was recognized or because:

When someone makes a subtle point beyond their control, they snip it.

Anyway, I'd appreciate any answers "Yay," or "Nay," as to whether folks here recognize his name.

Thanks.

217 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:30:19pm

re: #209 Floral Giraffe

It's NOT too late. All you have to do is turn it off.
Go outside. Feel the nice air. Talk to a real person.
It's not hard!

Reading is typically the best alternative to being "entertained". But I haven't had a TV in years. Cable since the mid 90s and that was just for a short while. Read a lot of books a couple of years ago. It's actually rather difficult for people to quit the TV habit. I remember the first few week of not having a TV around and suddenly hearing my internal voice so to speak. TV has a bad habit of curtailing our ability to think.

218 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:32:14pm

re: #217 Gus 802

Reading is typically the best alternative to being "entertained". But I haven't had a TV in years. Cable since the mid 90s and that was just for a short while. Read a lot of books a couple of years ago. It's actually rather difficult for people to quit the TV habit. I remember the first few week of not having a TV around and suddenly hearing my internal voice so to speak. TV has a bad habit of curtailing our ability to think.

Unless you watch it MST3k style and look to rip it apart while watching.

219 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:32:46pm

re: #213 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

An endeavor that some game companies are supporting, including creating programs for players to do everything from create single units to maps to entire storylines. Meanwhile, the movie and music companies are sending out C&Ds to anybody who uses so much as a snippet of "their product" without permission or paying the necessary fees.

Oh but the price of software and hardware! I know. I can't complain too much. Back in the day all it took was a quick trip to the art store to get some paint, illustration board, colored pencils, etc. 100 bucks and you were in like Flint. Now, you have to spend 1000s but there are ways around it. Some day I'll have that super computer with all the fixings but for now this old boat will have to do.

220 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:32:52pm

re: #218 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Unless you watch it MST3k style and look to rip it apart while watching.

Man, talk about series that not deserve to be canceled.

221 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:32:58pm

re: #216 Talking Point Detective

Just curious whether anyone here, who has followed the "climategate" debate at all, is familiar with the name Jeff Id.

I've been over at his blog and he claims that he has been "censored" by the monitors at Krugman's blog because they recognized his name and/or were worried about the damaging implications of a comment that he left on the blog.

I've been trying to explain to him that he isn't quite as famous as he thinks - and it is highly unlikely that the reason his post didn't go through was because his name was recognized or because:

Anyway, I'd appreciate any answers "Yay," or "Nay," as to whether folks here recognize his name.

Thanks.

I don't recognize him, but it sounds like what Deniers and Creationists say. They spout BS repeatedly and when the moderators get sick of repeatedly explaining why its BS and start deleting posts by the Denier, the Denier Troll starts shouting that its being "censored".

222 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:33:26pm

I'm back.
No, really.

223 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:33:29pm

re: #212 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And then there was Zim.

[Video]

Never heard of it before. I'll check it out someday.

224 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:35:10pm

re: #219 Gus 802

Oh but the price of software and hardware! I know. I can't complain too much. Back in the day all it took was a quick trip to the art store to get some paint, illustration board, colored pencils, etc. 100 bucks and you were in like Flint. Now, you have to spend 1000s but there are ways around it. Some day I'll have that super computer with all the fixings but for now this old boat will have to do.

Yeah, it's absolutely amazing what can be accomplished these days with a home PC. I remember reading stories about the computer farm it took just to do the few minutes of CGI in movies in the late 80s and early 90s, then see movies with the same level of sophistication or better done by a guy on his single computer during his spare time.

225 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:35:25pm

re: #220 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Man, talk about series that not deserve to be canceled.

They're tribute to Frank Zappa

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226 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:37:13pm

re: #220 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Man, talk about series that not deserve to be canceled.

Like SFZ I was rather fond of Life which was canceled. It starred Damian Lewis who was in Band of Brothers. I don't watch TV but will watch a show or two online. Which is good because it doesn't come with a billion commercials and keeps me from being hypnotized into watching other junk which comes with TV ownership.

227 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:37:19pm

re: #171 darthstar

I'm relieved to see that I'm not the only person who thinks House is a stupid fucking show due to the amount of money it would actually cost, per patient, to get that kind of care.

Given that you believe this, I urge you never to get a job in medical billing.

228 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:38:13pm

re: #221 Dark_Falcon

I don't recognize him, but it sounds like what Deniers and Creationists say. They spout BS repeatedly and when the moderators get sick of repeatedly explaining why its BS and start deleting posts by the Denier, the Denier Troll starts shouting that its being "censored".

He's shown up a couple of times at Deltoid.

His ideas are screwed up.

229 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:38:22pm

re: #223 wlewisiii

Never heard of it before. I'll check it out someday.

Never...heard..of Zim?

230 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:38:44pm

re: #224 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, it's absolutely amazing what can be accomplished these days with a home PC. I remember reading stories about the computer farm it took just to do the few minutes of CGI in movies in the late 80s and early 90s, then see movies with the same level of sophistication or better done by a guy on his single computer during his spare time.

And now you're able to create 3d models using images. Things are moving rather quickly. I'm still worried about the automatic nature of some of these things.

231 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:39:03pm

I'm kind of wishing I still had HBO so I could watch Game of Thrones

232 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:40:29pm

re: #226 Gus 802

Like SFZ I was rather fond of Life which was canceled. It starred Damian Lewis who was in Band of Brothers. I don't watch TV but will watch a show or two online. Which is good because it doesn't come with a billion commercials and keeps me from being hypnotized into watching other junk which comes with TV ownership.

It's why I've come to love my DVR, as I can avoid the commercials and only indulge in the series that I either love or am interested in at a time of my choosing.

233 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:41:02pm

re: #227 negativ

Given that you believe this, I urge you never to get a job in medical billing.

Four doctors who have one patient at a time? That's not realistic. It's more like one doctor who has forty patients at a time.

That said, House can be entertaining.

234 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:44:27pm

re: #226 Gus 802

Like SFZ I was rather fond of Life which was canceled. It starred Damian Lewis who was in Band of Brothers. I don't watch TV but will watch a show or two online. Which is good because it doesn't come with a billion commercials and keeps me from being hypnotized into watching other junk which comes with TV ownership.

NBC canceled two good LA cop shows Life and Southland. I wish Life had gotten pick up by someone else like TNT picked up Southland. But as it happened, Life is gone for good while Southland is getting 10 more episodes next January.

235 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:44:40pm

re: #233 EmmmieG

Four doctors who have one patient at a time? That's not realistic. It's more like one doctor who has forty patients at a time.

That said, House can be entertaining.

And in a luxury IC suite with air operated automatic doors. Even the homeless guy got that suite. I don't think even most millionaires in America get that kind of service.

236 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:44:55pm

re: #230 Gus 802

And now you're able to create 3d models using images. Things are moving rather quickly. I'm still worried about the automatic nature of some of these things.

I'm figuring that we're fast approaching the day when virtual actors become a reality. Hell, after watching Avatar, the only real obstacle that remains is creating human skin that doesn't set off mental alarms at first sight.

237 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:45:59pm

re: #234 Dark_Falcon

NBC canceled two good LA cop shows Life and Southland. I wish Life had gotten pick up by someone else like TNT picked up Southland. But as it happened, Life is gone for good while Southland is getting 10 more episodes next January.

I might have caught that once. That's with another BOB alumni, Michael Cudlitz.

238 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:46:56pm

I'm waiting for the high school show that doesn't have 28 year-old models posing as high school sophomores.

239 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:47:06pm

re: #236 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'm figuring that we're fast approaching the day when virtual actors become a reality. Hell, after watching Avatar, the only real obstacle that remains is creating human skin that doesn't set off mental alarms at first sight.

It'll take a lot ones and zeros.

240 abolitionist  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:49:15pm

re: #239 Gus 802

It'll take a lot ones and zeros.

/I thot M$ had a patent on those.

241 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:49:21pm

Leftwingconspirator and I are finally back from Mt Wilson Observatory. After seeing the clouds moving through the place on the webcam, we grabbed cameras, tripods, beer and we went. My "magic arm" camera mount really paid off inside the 100 inch observatory. Got a couple good shots of that fine old telescope. So much astronomical history there. Paged of course...

242 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:49:51pm

re: #239 Gus 802

It'll take a lot ones and zeros.

From what I've read, apparently the real difficulty in creating human "skin" a CGI character has to do with the unique properties of our skin. Such as a sort of "transparency" that the top layer possesses, that a computer right now can't mimic. Or our brain's inability to accept a face that's flawless.

243 freetoken  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:52:51pm

re: #238 EmmmieG

I'm waiting for the high school show that doesn't have 28 year-old models posing as high school sophomores.

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244 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:54:33pm

re: #175 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I admit, I don't watch House anymore for the medical drama portion of it, but more to see where his life is going to go this week. There's no doubt doctors across the country who tune in every night, and by the end of episode, think to themselves "If I pulled that shit, I'd be out of the building with a pink slip by lunch time."

This reminds me of something I actually witnessed way back in 1980. I was in grad school and worked part-time as a security guard in an ER. We had a doctor who seemed personable enough but who had had a couple of patients storm out on him. We didn't know why because they hadn't stayed around to explain and never bothered to file complaints. Then one night a woman came in who had attempted suicide by taking a bottle of pills. The doc was mad because it was 3AM, he had been sound asleep in the doctor's lounge, and I woke him up to attend to her. He eventually got her fixed up. As she was leaving he walked up to her in the lobby, in front of God and everybody, and said, "Next time why don't you save us all some trouble and use a gun."
She started hitting, cursing, and pushing him. She was a big woman, around 300 pounds, and he was a little guy, maybe 5'4" and 130 pounds soaking wet. She pushed him into a corner and continued to whale away. He looked at me and screamed, "Officer, are you just going to let her do this?!" To tell the truth, I was considering it. Duty is duty though so I got her under control and drug her outside. She didn't resist, which was just as well given her size and temper. Once outside I said, "Look, lady, I know the guy's a jerk but you can't beat people up in here, it's against the law." I told her how to file a complaint and promised that I would give the management an accurate report. She did, I did, and the doctor was indeed fired.

245 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:56:21pm

re: #238 EmmmieG

I'm waiting for the high school show that doesn't have 28 year-old models posing as high school sophomores.

Live action Akira, where they convert the original characters comprised of 15 year old Japanese kids into Justin Timberlake and the sparkly poof from Twilight.

246 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:56:34pm

re: #244 Shiplord Kirel

God bless you for that.

247 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:56:44pm

re: #243 freetoken

[Video]

Oh yeah. That's why. If you use kids, you mess up their lives.

248 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:58:06pm

re: #245 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Live action Akira, where they convert the original characters comprised of 15 year old Japanese kids into Justin Timberlake and the sparkly poof from Twilight.

...oh good God.

249 prairiefire  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:58:54pm

re: #242 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

From what I've read, apparently the real difficulty in creating human "skin" a CGI character has to do with the unique properties of our skin. Such as a sort of "transparency" that the top layer possesses, that a computer right now can't mimic. Or our brain's inability to accept a face that's flawless.

I'm thinking it is 10,000 muscles in the face, or 10,000 different subtleties we pick up? Our human eye and human brain see more than what a computer can project. That's some small comfort, at least.

250 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:59:18pm

re: #248 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

...oh good God.

Did I mention they're also changing the setting from Neo-Tokyo to New York and they intend to shoot for a PG-13 rating?

Is that the sickly-sweet stench of fail I detect?

251 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:01:03pm

re: #249 prairiefire

I'm thinking it is 10,000 muscles in the face, or 10,000 different subtleties we pick up? Our human eye and human brain see more than what a computer can project. That's some small comfort, at least.

I finally found my cat and took some pics.

252 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:01:20pm

re: #250 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Did I mention they're also changing the setting from Neo-Tokyo to New York and they intend to shoot for a PG-13 rating?

Is that the sickly-sweet stench of fail I detect?

It's the same-old, same-old of Hollywood Doesn't Get It.

See: Live Action Avatar. My kids, experts in the cartoon Avatar, hated it.

Publishing doesn't get it, either. The YA section has been flooded with vampire series, and the kids section with magic series. Some are actually okay. Most are wince-worthy.

253 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:01:32pm

re: #245 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Live action Akira, where they convert the original characters comprised of 15 year old Japanese kids into Justin Timberlake and the sparkly poof from Twilight.

Shutupshutupshutup!!!!
/
:P

254 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:01:48pm

re: #250 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Did I mention they're also changing the setting from Neo-Tokyo to New York and they intend to shoot for a PG-13 rating?

Is that the sickly-sweet stench of fail I detect?

One of the most influential anime films of all time and they're do that to it? Only way they could make it worse by this point is bring on Uwe Boll to direct.

255 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:02:10pm

re: #254 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

One of the most influential anime films of all time and they're do that to it? Only way they could make it worse by this point is bring on Uwe Boll to direct.

re: #253 Varek Raith

Shutupshutupshutup!!!
/
:P

256 prairiefire  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:03:21pm

re: #251 b_sharp

I finally found my cat and took some pics.

Cute! I'm guessing he doesn't try to chew through the wires.

257 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:04:26pm

re: #237 Gus 802

I might have caught that once. That's with another BOB alumni, Michael Cudlitz.

Yes, indeed. I heard him speak at an advance screening of the first episode of season 2 of Southland. Though I will confess that it was the presence of the actor who plays his partner in the series (Benjamin McKenzie, formerly of The OC (which I also liked)) that first made me take note of the series. Though it immediately made its impression on me in its own right.

258 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:05:03pm

re: #256 prairiefire

Cute! I'm guessing he doesn't try to chew through the wires.

Actually, he does. I had to repeatedly tell him to quit.
He's a bad cat and gets into all sorts of trouble.

260 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:05:30pm

re: #234 Dark_Falcon

NBC canceled two good LA cop shows Life and Southland. I wish Life had gotten pick up by someone else like TNT picked up Southland. But as it happened, Life is gone for good while Southland is getting 10 more episodes next January.

I liked the Southland episode where the guys get called by a 911 call to a tattoo parlor. The 'emergency' is that the customer has been tattooed with 'Dennis' rather than 'Denise'.

261 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:05:38pm

re: #252 EmmmieG

I audit most of the series, just because. I did like the Charlie Bone and the Extremely Poor Parenting series, and the Rick Riordan books are pretty good.

Oh, wait, there's another example. They slaughtered Lightning Thief something fierce.

262 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:06:21pm

I don't do teevee.
Because.

263 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:06:59pm

re: #257 Dark_Falcon

Yes, indeed. I heard him speak at an advance screening of the first episode of season 2 of Southland. Though I will confess that it was the presence of the actor who plays his partner in the series (Benjamin McKenzie, formerly of The OC (which I also liked)) that first made me take note of the series. Though it immediately made its impression on me in its own right.

I watched The OC a few times. Seemed OK for that type of genre. Had a couple of solid actors with years of experience.

264 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:09:00pm

re: #259 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Guillermo Del Toro's 'At the Mountains of Madness' Is Dead -- Who Do We Blame?

Not the first movie I've heard being stuck in development hell due to lack of studio funding.

265 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:09:18pm

re: #254 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

One of the most influential anime films of all time and they're do that to it? Only way they could make it worse by this point is bring on Uwe Boll to direct.

I hope that their "adaptation" falls miserably. I do know that whoever is behind this monstrosity had best not show themselves ASCEN in Rosemont next month. The anime fans would pound them to pieces, and several of my friends would be leading the charge.

266 freetoken  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:09:24pm

Back in Japan:

Gov't eyes use of huge sheet to contain radioactive substances


The government has asked Tokyo Electric Power Co., operator of the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, to study the possibility of containing radioactive substances from four damaged reactors by wrapping their entire containment buildings with a huge amount of sheeting, government sources said Sunday.

The proposal calls for building framed structures around the 45-meter-high containment buildings and then wrapping them with the sheeting, the sources said.

If all of the four buildings were wrapped in this manner, it would cost about 80 billion yen and take up to two months, the sources said.

But atomic energy experts are skeptical about the feasibility of the plan, proposed by a general construction firm, saying the step would have only limited effects in blocking the release of radioactive substances into the environment.

Osaka University professor emeritus Keiji Miyazaki said that there is the risk that such sheeting would be torn apart by heat emanating from nuclear reactors. [...]

Ritsumeikan University professor emeritus Ikuro Anzai said if sheeting-based containment were technically possible [...] added that there is the risk that radiation levels would go up inside the sheeting, thus hampering various restoration work, including the work to spray water onto the reactors.

A source close to the government criticized its latest move, saying, ''Politicians and the TEPCO management adopted the proposal from the major construction company which does not have deep knowledge about nuclear power plants.''

''This step is essentially lip service to give the public a sense of ease by hiding the image of the decrepit nuclear plant,'' the source said.

At least this proposal is getting the criticism it deserves.

In Japanese politics, the nation's construction industry are among the most powerful of the lobbies, especially when it comes to domestic spending.

I've also been told, by a friend who works for a small construction company, that many construction companies are the laundry service for the Japanese mob's money.

267 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:10:24pm

re: #265 Dark_Falcon

I hope that their "adaptation" falls miserably. I do know that whoever is behind this monstrosity had best not show themselves ASCEN in Rosemont next month. The anime fans would pound them to pieces, and several of my friends would be leading the charge.

I'll get the Gundams!

268 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:10:42pm

re: #264 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Not the first movie I've heard being stuck in development hell due to lack of studio funding.

I heard Del Toro was getting flak from the studios because there was no love interest and they wanted an upbeat ending.

269 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:12:00pm

re: #268 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I heard Del Toro was getting flak from the studios because there was no love interest and they wanted an upbeat ending.

Lol, really?

270 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:12:59pm

re: #265 Dark_Falcon

I hope that their "adaptation" falls miserably. I do know that whoever is behind this monstrosity had best not show themselves ASCEN in Rosemont next month. The anime fans would pound them to pieces, and several of my friends would be leading the charge.

Yeah, assuming this ever hits the big screen, you can be sure it will bomb hard. The casual watchers won't get it, while the anime fans will be burning the directors in effigy.

271 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:13:05pm

I want some thing that is difficult, if not impossible. Doesn't mean I can't want it, or try for it. Doesn't mean I'll get it either.
But, I can try.
You have to try.

272 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:13:34pm

re: #268 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I heard Del Toro was getting flak from the studios because there was no love interest and they wanted an upbeat ending.

No surprises there. Executive meddling is a frequent killer of films, often because they "just don't get it."

273 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:14:11pm

re: #266 freetoken

Prayers for the people of Japan.
Ongoing.

274 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:14:37pm

re: #263 Gus 802

I watched The OC a few times. Seemed OK for that type of genre. Had a couple of solid actors with years of experience.

True. Interestingly, since the show ended its male young leads have had more success than their female counterparts. Though some of that is attributable to Mischa Barton's serious personal problems. She actually has talent and the way she's wasted it saddens me. But Ben McKenzie actually has a better role now than he did on The OC. Officer Ben Sherman has a much greater range of emotions and opportunities for an actor to use his talents than Ryan Atwood did during the first 3 seasons of the OC. It was only in the final season that the show really allowed McKinzie's character to grow and change/

275 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:14:42pm

re: #269 Varek Raith

Lol, really?

Really.

"So, there is an ancient city in the mountains of Antarctica? I'm seeing Lindsay Lohan as an world famous cave explorer."

"A spelunker?"

"No, we'll never get that past the censors!"

276 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:14:42pm

re: #266 freetoken

Back in Japan:

Gov't eyes use of huge sheet to contain radioactive substancesI've also been told, by a friend who works for a small construction company, that many construction companies are the laundry service for the Japanese mob's money.

It's one way of learning English, and that of course is the important thing.

Youtube Video
277 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:14:53pm

re: #272 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

No surprises there. Executive meddling is a frequent killer of films, often because they "just don't get it."

Just like with music.

278 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:16:37pm

re: #246 Floral Giraffe

God bless you for that.

The ER could be nerve-wracking at times but it was an authentic chance to do people some real, immediate good. I worked with a young doctor who happens now, 30 years later, to be my family doctor. Just the other day, he had an intern with him when I went in for something or other. Possibly to show primitive it used to be, he regaled her with a story about how he and I had manhandled an unconscious heart attack victim out of the cab of his friend's pickup and carried him bodily into the ER. The guy survived.

279 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:16:51pm

re: #267 Varek Raith

I'll get the Gundams!

Don't bother. We've got a Battletech game at that con, so I'll have a two Elemental Battle Armored Infantrymen play 'catch' with the schnook. He'll be in pieces in 2 minutes.

/This is kidding. I don't really want to hurt anyone.

280 abolitionist  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:17:22pm

re: #266 freetoken

Back in Japan:

Gov't eyes use of huge sheet to contain radioactive substances

At least this proposal is getting the criticism it deserves.

In Japanese politics, the nation's construction industry are among the most powerful of the lobbies, especially when it comes to domestic spending.

I've also been told, by a friend who works for a small construction company, that many construction companies are the laundry service for the Japanese mob's money.

It would be tough to make it sufficiently airtight, considering simply the rate of heat generation. That heat would still have to be dissipated somehow.

281 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:17:47pm

re: #279 Dark_Falcon

Don't bother. We've got a Battletech game at that con, so I'll have a two Elemental Battle Armored Infantrymen play 'catch' with the schnook. He'll be in pieces in 2 minutes.

/This is kidding. I don't really want to hurt anyone.

Aw, man.
I wanted to fire the twin buster rifle...
:(

282 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:18:26pm

re: #266 freetoken

Back in Japan:

Gov't eyes use of huge sheet to contain radioactive substances

At least this proposal is getting the criticism it deserves.

In Japanese politics, the nation's construction industry are among the most powerful of the lobbies, especially when it comes to domestic spending.

I've also been told, by a friend who works for a small construction company, that many construction companies are the laundry service for the Japanese mob's money.

That's almost certainly true. The mob has great influence in construction in Chicago and New York, so that being the case in Tokyo isn't a stretch,

283 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:19:17pm

re: #278 Shiplord Kirel

Having gotten to the ER with an already ruptured appendix, and my surgeon was of "the old school" and living to tell about it, I appreciate the skill & the stories.

284 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:20:28pm

re: #278 Shiplord Kirel

The ER could be nerve-wracking at times but it was an authentic chance to do people some real, immediate good. I worked with a young doctor who happens now, 30 years later, to be my family doctor. Just the other day, he had an intern with him when I went in for something or other. Possibly to show primitive it used to be, he regaled her with a story about how he and I had manhandled an unconscious heart attack victim out of the cab of his friend's pickup and carried him bodily into the ER. The guy survived.

My favorite ER story is the day I had to take The Princess, then 4, into the in her Royal Blue Princess Dress because she had a bead stuck up her nose. It was shiny gold.

She blew it out before they got to us, but not before she had made everyone's day.

285 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:20:37pm

re: #282 Dark_Falcon

That's almost certainly true. The mob has great influence in construction in Chicago and New York, so that being the case in Tokyo isn't a stretch,

Dinsdale!

286 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:20:43pm

re: #278 Shiplord Kirel

The ER could be nerve-wracking at times but it was an authentic chance to do people some real, immediate good. I worked with a young doctor who happens now, 30 years later, to be my family doctor. Just the other day, he had an intern with him when I went in for something or other. Possibly to show primitive it used to be, he regaled her with a story about how he and I had manhandled an unconscious heart attack victim out of the cab of his friend's pickup and carried him bodily into the ER. The guy survived.

my dad went into arrest as my mom flew into the ER...CPR saved him for another 30yrs....my ER nurse ex wife saved a guys life sitting atop of him on a cart while he was transported from the ER to surgery, two floors up....time is life

287 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:21:24pm

re: #284 EmmmieG

Gesundheight!
And, God Bless!

288 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:21:36pm

re: #269 Varek Raith

Lol, really?

That often happens. American audiences tend not to like tragic endings. That's why the adaptations of The Pledge and Insomnia didn't do very well. People here are raised on the "good guys" being flawed but ultimately winning. The idea of them dying or losing is not well received here.

289 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:22:51pm

re: #285 Gus 802

Dinsdale!

Eh?

290 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:23:17pm

re: #284 EmmmieG

My favorite ER story is the day I had to take The Princess, then 4, into the in her Royal Blue Princess Dress because she had a bead stuck up her nose. It was shiny gold.

She blew it out before they got to us, but not before she had made everyone's day.

My sister did the same thing at around the same age. Sadly for her, it didn't dislodge itself before the doctor got around to seeing her...

291 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:24:19pm

re: #290 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

My sister did the same thing at around the same age. Sadly for her, it didn't dislodge itself before the doctor got around to seeing her...

My brother-in-law is an ENT, so I knew that if it didn't come out with the first effort to blow it out, not to try to get it out myself.

292 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:24:37pm

re: #289 Dark_Falcon

Eh?

Piranha Brothers from Monty Pythons. Dinsdale Piranha.

Youtube Video
293 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:24:41pm

re: #266 freetoken

Back in Japan:

Gov't eyes use of huge sheet to contain radioactive substances

At least this proposal is getting the criticism it deserves.

In Japanese politics, the nation's construction industry are among the most powerful of the lobbies, especially when it comes to domestic spending.

I've also been told, by a friend who works for a small construction company, that many construction companies are the laundry service for the Japanese mob's money.

I'm no expert, but wrapping up the reactors in "sheeting"...
Makes no damn sense.

294 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:27:13pm

re: #291 EmmmieG

My brother-in-law is an ENT, so I knew that if it didn't come out with the first effort to blow it out, not to try to get it out myself.

Yeah, my mother likes to needle her from time to time about that incident, especially the part about how she had to hold her down while the doctor used a small hook to pull it out.

Me, I wasn't that dumb...I was dumber. Dropped a box-spring down on my noggin when I was the same age. Got the scar across my scalp to prove it.

295 freetoken  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:27:36pm

re: #293 Varek Raith

I'm no expert, but wrapping up the reactors in "sheeting"...
Makes no damn sense.

It does if you're the head of a construction company and want a billion dollar contract from the government.

296 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:28:16pm

re: #295 freetoken

It does if you're the head of a construction company and want a billion dollar contract from the government.

Right.
Ah, humans. Ain't we grand?

297 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:28:56pm

re: #295 freetoken

It does if you're the head of a construction company and want a billion dollar contract from the government.

For a billion dollars I will come to Japan, wrap the reactor in pink fabric, and call it a work of art.

298 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:29:54pm

re: #297 EmmmieG

For a billion dollars I will come to Japan, wrap the reactor in pink fabric, and call it a work of art.

Remotely, of course.
;)

299 prairiefire  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:30:51pm

re: #291 EmmmieG

My brother-in-law is an ENT, so I knew that if it didn't come out with the first effort to blow it out, not to try to get it out myself.

You just reminded me, my daughter blew a sparkly bead back out of her nose before we had to do anything about it. I think I will remind her 13 year old self about that tomorrow.

300 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:31:00pm

Till tomorrow, everyone.

301 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:31:02pm

re: #298 Varek Raith

Remotely, of course.
;)

I was planning on using remote control airplanes. That would make it more abstract.

302 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:31:05pm

I'm still curious about what they're going to do with the surrounding area. Is it going to become another Exclusion Zone, like the one around Chernobyl? It's not exactly like Japan has a lot of real-estate to spare these days.

303 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:31:57pm

re: #292 Gus 802

Piranha Brothers from Monty Pythons. Dinsdale Piranha.

[Video]

I see. Thanks.

304 b_sharp  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:33:28pm

Out for the night.

305 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:34:01pm

re: #301 EmmmieG

I was planning on using remote control airplanes. That would make it more abstract.

Those are for minor leaguers. Varek uses TIE/D robotic starfighters for such work. They also carry twin laser cannons so that after they drop the sheet, they can strafe some Japanese Manques and Varek can pretend they're Ewoks.

///

306 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:34:45pm

Oh brother. Frigging CNN. Rocker Sammy Hagar discusses his extraterrestrial viewpoints in an interview with HLN's Dr. Drew Pinsky. They're bucking for the number two spot after Fox News.

307 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:35:29pm

re: #306 Gus 802

Oh brother. Frigging CNN. Rocker Sammy Hagar discusses his extraterrestrial viewpoints in an interview with HLN's Dr. Drew Pinsky. They're bucking for the number two spot after Fox News.

This is probably a public health service.

This is your brain.

This is your brain on drugs and rock and roll for 25 years.

308 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:38:06pm
Youtube Video
309 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:38:17pm

re: #307 EmmmieG

This is probably a public health service.

This is your brain.

This is your brain on drugs and rock and roll for 25 years.

This is your brain. This is your brain having a dream. If you watch science fiction movies chances are you're going to dream about things you saw in a science fiction movie. Just like back in the 1800s people would have dreams about wagon trains and not "aliens". It's just a dream. People didn't start thinking about "aliens" until Hollywood invented them. Sheesh.

310 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:39:31pm

re: #308 Killgore Trout

[Video]

Youtube Video
311 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:40:18pm

re: #309 Gus 802

This is your brain. This is your brain having a dream. If you watch science fiction movies chances are you're going to dream about things you saw in a science fiction movie. Just like back in the 1800s people would have dreams about wagon trains and not "aliens". It's just a dream. People didn't start thinking about "aliens" until Hollywood invented them. Sheesh.

Somebody's obviously never read "War of the Worlds."

/

312 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:40:40pm

re: #309 Gus 802

This is your brain. This is your brain having a dream. If you watch science fiction movies chances are you're going to dream about things you saw in a science fiction movie. Just like back in the 1800s people would have dreams about wagon trains and not "aliens". It's just a dream. People didn't start thinking about "aliens" until Hollywood invented them. Sheesh.

Well, Aliens as Hollywood invented them. I sincerely believe there is some form of life somewhere in the Universe. It's a pretty big place, and we've already found likely planets.

I don't believe in little green men or visitations of these aliens to Earth. To begin with, there's that little problem of the speed of light.

313 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:41:19pm

re: #311 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Somebody's obviously never read "War of the Worlds."

/

Yeah, I know. But you know what I mean. Hollywood popularized the whole alien/UFO hysteria.

314 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:41:54pm

re: #308 Killgore Trout

[Video]

Who's encore both times I saw them

315 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:42:05pm

re: #313 Gus 802

Hollywood is a front for the Martian Research Agency.

316 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:42:44pm

re: #313 Gus 802

Yeah, I know. But you know what I mean. Hollywood popularized the whole alien/UFO hysteria.

I blame the ergot.

317 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:42:55pm

re: #310 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

[Video]

Youtube Video
318 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:43:08pm

re: #315 Varek Raith

Hollywood is a front for the Martian Research Agency.

Ah. That's why they get human beings so dreadfully wrong.

319 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:43:11pm

re: #312 EmmmieG

Well, Aliens as Hollywood invented them. I sincerely believe there is some form of life somewhere in the Universe. It's a pretty big place, and we've already found likely planets.

I don't believe in little green men or visitations of these aliens to Earth. To begin with, there's that little problem of the speed of light.

Maybe. I'm banking on zero forms of intelligent life out there as in those that will be observed by humans. Otherwise, any idea on the existence of "aliens" is another case of trying to prove a negative or some such variation. Until we have any hard evidence it's largely a fantasy.

320 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:43:52pm

re: #319 Gus 802

Maybe. I'm banking on zero forms of intelligent life out there as in those that will be observed by humans. Otherwise, any idea on the existence of "aliens" is another case of trying to prove a negative or some such variation. Until we have any hard evidence it's largely a fantasy.

Life that we will be able to observe, and life at all, are two very different prospects.

321 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:44:02pm

And they won't be flying in some spaceship that looks like a 57 Chevy.

322 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:44:07pm

Mahna Mahna

Youtube Video

Namse, y'all
323 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:44:17pm

re: #319 Gus 802

Maybe. I'm banking on zero forms of intelligent life out there as in those that will be observed by humans. Otherwise, any idea on the existence of "aliens" is another case of trying to prove a negative or some such variation. Until we have any hard evidence it's largely a fantasy.

what will the god people think?....are there Martians in the old testament?

324 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:45:00pm

Movie gripe:

Just once, I want to see a military unit fighting zombies where after the first shot or 2, one of the soldiers says, "Hey, Zombies!" and begins firing slow, well aimed head shots instead of blowing off full clips into them and screaming how nothing is stopping them.

325 ozbloke  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:45:33pm

re: #323 albusteve

what will the god people think?...are there Martians in the old testament?

First chapter of Ezekiel.

326 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:45:46pm

re: #317 Killgore Trout

[Video]

Youtube Video
327 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:45:46pm

re: #321 Gus 802

And they won't be flying in some spaceship that looks like a 57 Chevy.

it will look like a 67 Z28
aliens know shit from shinola

328 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:45:55pm

re: #320 EmmmieG

Life that we will be able to observe, and life at all, are two very different prospects.

I'm figuring on odds of an encounter versus the potential survivability of the human species. IOW, if many only lasts another 15,000 years or so. The longer we're around the greater the chances for an encounter. But even then those chances are closer to nil.

329 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:46:29pm

re: #325 ozbloke

First chapter of Ezekiel.

And God said, "Let there be Illudium Q-38 explosive space modulators!"

330 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:46:38pm

re: #325 ozbloke

First chapter of Ezekiel.

which means nothing to me

331 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:46:39pm

re: #306 Gus 802

Oh brother. Frigging CNN. Rocker Sammy Hagar discusses his extraterrestrial viewpoints in an interview with HLN's Dr. Drew Pinsky. They're bucking for the number two spot after Fox News.

Sammy Hagar is just grasping at straws - he's trying to absolve himself of the crime of turning Van Halen into unlistenable Top-40 radio schmaltz.

No aliens would have him, and he knows this. He's doomed to live out the remainder of his embarrassing little life on planet Earth, where his crimes are widely known.

332 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:46:47pm

re: #327 albusteve

it will look like a 67 Z28
aliens know shit from shinola

Yeah. What's the deal? How come all alien spaceships look like a 57 Chevy with a coat of primer paint? Hmm?

//

333 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:46:51pm

re: #313 Gus 802

Yeah, I know. But you know what I mean. Hollywood popularized the whole alien/UFO hysteria.

Oh, Hollywood did a lot to enter it into the social consciousness, but the idea of aliens, UFOs, and such have been around with us for centuries.

334 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:47:45pm

re: #322 Killgore Trout

dammit.

May the fleas of > 9000 camels infest your ladyparts.

335 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:47:51pm

re: #331 negativ

Sammy Hagar is just grasping at straws - he's trying to absolve himself of the crime of turning Van Halen into unlistenable Top-40 radio schmaltz.

No aliens would have him, and he knows this. He's doomed to live out the remainder of his embarrassing little life on planet Earth, where his crimes are widely known.

Any way we could ask the aliens to beam him down on Uranus? :D

336 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:48:36pm

re: #323 albusteve

what will the god people think?...are there Martians in the old testament?

Don't get everyone going on the Nephilim again.

(There was this guy who used to run this astonishing blog. He laid out, very clearly, what 'we' as 'Torah-believing Jews' did not believe in. One of them was life from outer space. I never quite worked that out. Why do we call God "Ribon ha-Olamim", Master of Worlds, then?

/

337 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:48:49pm

re: #333 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh, Hollywood did a lot to enter it into the social consciousness, but the idea of aliens, UFOs, and such have been around with us for centuries.

But it was rarely talked about by the common people. Compared to what we have now.

338 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:49:39pm

re: #324 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Movie gripe:

Just once, I want to see a military unit fighting zombies where after the first shot or 2, one of the soldiers says, "Hey, Zombies!" and begins firing slow, well aimed head shots instead of blowing off full clips into them and screaming how nothing is stopping them.

You have to remember that soldiers are taught, from the moment that they handle a rifle, to aim for center mass. Same with cops and others in uniform trusted with firearms. If you pump half a magazine into the chest of a thing that, from all appearances, is human and it doesn't fall down, then your mind is gonna freeze up.

339 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:51:10pm

re: #338 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You have to remember that soldiers are taught, from the moment that they handle a rifle, to aim for center mass. Same with cops and others in uniform trusted with firearms. If you pump half a magazine into the chest of a thing that, from all appearances, is human and it doesn't fall down, then your mind is gonna freeze up.

gun control....three rounds center mass

340 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:51:33pm

re: #338 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You have to remember that soldiers are taught, from the moment that they handle a rifle, to aim for center mass. Same with cops and others in uniform trusted with firearms. If you pump half a magazine into the chest of a thing that, from all appearances, is human and it doesn't fall down, then your mind is gonna freeze up.

Yeah, but the vast majority of line soldiers out there are late teen thru their 20s, who have grown up playing video games and watching monster movies. One of them is going to say "DUDE! ZOMBIES!"

341 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:51:51pm

re: #339 albusteve

gun control...three rounds center mass

2 to the chest, 1 to the head.

342 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:52:05pm

re: #337 Gus 802

But it was rarely talked about by the common people. Compared to what we have now.

True, but it's only really been in the last century that the average worker has had the time to do more than think about his work. Had time like weekends and such to let his mind wander and consider concepts that have nothing to do with his job.

343 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:52:26pm

Uh oh. ISP fart. I'm about due for another outage.

344 ozbloke  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:52:34pm

re: #330 albusteve

which means nothing to me

Sory, I thought you asked if Aliens/UFO's were mentioned in the old testament.

I pointed you at the chapter and verse that is often quoted.

Heres a link...

345 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:53:11pm

re: #342 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

True, but it's only really been in the last century that the average worker has had the time to do more than think about his work. Had time like weekends and such to let his mind wander and consider concepts that have nothing to do with his job.

And they didn't consume mass quantities of beer.

346 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:53:38pm

Colonel Neftor, report XVIIAB-204

Observed planet Sol-3 today. It appears that part of it might be pleasant, if not for the bipeds referred to as "humans." They have managed to make it unpleasant in their agression towards each other and their greed. They will kill or maim each other for the silliest of reasons.

I recommend waiting a few more thousand years. It will be a fixer-upper, but with great potential.

We might want to get a few samples of the cacao tree, though, just in case. It's worth preserving.

347 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:54:00pm

re: #330 albusteve

which means nothing to me

Interesting note--this is the passage which provides the modern Hebrew word for 'electricity'.

I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north—an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal, and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance their form was human, but each of them had four faces and four wings. Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze. Under their wings on their four sides they had human hands. All four of them had faces and wings, and the wings of one touched the wings of another. Each one went straight ahead; they did not turn as they moved.

Their faces looked like this: Each of the four had the face of a human being, and on the right side each had the face of a lion, and on the left the face of an ox; each also had the face of an eagle. Such were their faces. They each had two wings spreading out upward, each wing touching that of the creature on either side; and each had two other wings covering its body. Each one went straight ahead. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, without turning as they went. The appearance of the living creatures was like burning coals of fire or like torches. Fire moved back and forth among the creatures; it was bright, and lightning flashed out of it. The creatures sped back and forth like flashes of lightning.

As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like topaz, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not change direction as the creatures went. Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around.

When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. When the creatures moved, they also moved; when the creatures stood still, they also stood still; and when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels rose along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.

Spread out above the heads of the living creatures was what looked something like a vault, sparkling like crystal, and awesome. Under the vault their wings were stretched out one toward the other, and each had two wings covering its body. When the creatures moved, I heard the sound of their wings, like the roar of rushing waters, like the voice of the Almighty, like the tumult of an army. When they stood still, they lowered their wings.

Then there came a voice from above the vault over their heads as they stood with lowered wings. Above the vault over their heads was what looked like a throne of lapis lazuli, and high above on the throne was a figure like that of a man. I saw that from what appeared to be his waist up he looked like glowing metal, as if full of fire, and that from there down he looked like fire; and brilliant light surrounded him. Like the appearance of a rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the radiance around him.

348 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:54:01pm

re: #344 ozbloke

Sory, I thought you asked if Aliens/UFO's were mentioned in the old testament.

I pointed you at the chapter and verse that is often quoted.

Heres a link...

ah, no comment
but thanks

349 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:54:48pm

re: #338 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You have to remember that soldiers are taught, from the moment that they handle a rifle, to aim for center mass. Same with cops and others in uniform trusted with firearms. If you pump half a magazine into the chest of a thing that, from all appearances, is human and it doesn't fall down, then your mind is gonna freeze up.

But you also have to remember that the average infantryman of today has totally grown up on zombie movies.

350 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:55:37pm

re: #340 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah, but the vast majority of line soldiers out there are late teen thru their 20s, who have grown up playing video games and watching monster movies. One of them is going to say "DUDE! ZOMBIES!"

Yeah, but even then, the human head is not exactly a large target. Especially not if you're aiming at a moving one. And even harder to a soldier that's been trained to take care of targets quickly, instead of slow, precision shots.

351 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:55:50pm

re: #347 SanFranciscoZionist

just read that....quite the imagination, and people mock Von Daniken

352 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:56:27pm

re: #351 albusteve

just read that...quite the imagination, and people mock Von Daniken

Ezekiel is quite vivid.

353 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:56:45pm

If people can imagine things then what they imagined must be true!

//

354 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:56:54pm

Actual Van Halen:

Youtube Video

and
Youtube Video

Horrible Van Hagar:

Youtube Video

and
Youtube Video

grr

355 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:58:09pm

I've always thought that it would make a great sci fi series that the universe has its eyes on a very dangerous, unstable, war-like species that must be kept to its planet at all costs.

Us.

When we try to deny it, they show us video of people being hacked to death with machetes in Africa, or gassed in WWII, or...pretty much the whole campaign against kulaks in Soviet Russia, and ask us to explain.

We can't. Not really.

356 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:58:35pm

re: #349 SanFranciscoZionist

But you also have to remember that the average infantryman of today has totally grown up on zombie movies.

New theory: if instead of a meltdown Godzilla had attacked the Japanese government might have had a clue how to respond.

357 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:58:36pm

re: #352 SanFranciscoZionist

Ezekiel is quite vivid.

I'll check him out next time I stay at a Holiday Inn Express

358 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 8:59:32pm

re: #355 EmmmieG

I've always thought that it would make a great sci fi series that the universe has its eyes on a very dangerous, unstable, war-like species that must be kept to its planet at all costs.

Us.

When we try to deny it, they show us video of people being hacked to death with machetes in Africa, or gassed in WWII, or...pretty much the whole campaign against kulaks in Soviet Russia, and ask us to explain.

We can't. Not really.

One of the most overplayed tropes, really. Either humanity has made it to the stars and we're seen as an "upstart race" that's not far removed from its savage past. Or we're put "on trial" for such savagery and have to prove we can overcome it or be destroyed.

359 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:00:28pm

re: #350 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, but even then, the human head is not exactly a large target. Especially not if you're aiming at a moving one. And even harder to a soldier that's been trained to take care of targets quickly, instead of slow, precision shots.

True. Best best is a M110 Designated Marksman's Rifle. 7.62mm instead of 5.56mm, great optics, and the same ambidextrous fire controls as an M-16 (I'm left handed).

360 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:01:09pm

re: #358 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

One of the most overplayed tropes, really. Either humanity has made it to the stars and we're seen as an "upstart race" that's not far removed from its savage past. Or we're put "on trial" for such savagery and have to prove we can overcome it or be destroyed.

Yeah, but we invent villains that are more agressive and warlike than us, as if this were possible for a species to be and still achieve space flight.

361 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:01:56pm

re: #358 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

One of the most overplayed tropes, really. Either humanity has made it to the stars and we're seen as an "upstart race" that's not far removed from its savage past. Or we're put "on trial" for such savagery and have to prove we can overcome it or be destroyed.

True, but we'd most likely fail any such trial.

362 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:02:14pm

re: #355 EmmmieG

I've always thought that it would make a great sci fi series that the universe has its eyes on a very dangerous, unstable, war-like species that must be kept to its planet at all costs.

Us.

When we try to deny it, they show us video of people being hacked to death with machetes in Africa, or gassed in WWII, or...pretty much the whole campaign against kulaks in Soviet Russia, and ask us to explain.

We can't. Not really.

The Doctor has a better vision of us.

But that brings up another question for me. Think of the image of 'warrior races' in sci fi. Everyone in the society always appears to be perfectly on board with the fighting ethos, and you're never shown the endless misery these people must cause to their own species and everyone else's. Oh, Star Trek tried, kind of.

We are a 'warrior race'. And most of us who aren't Nazis or Attila the Hun aren't so happy about it.

363 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:02:45pm

re: #360 EmmmieG

Yeah, but we invent villains that are more agressive and warlike than us, as if this were possible for a species to be and still achieve space flight.

That's just a symptom of the "Gunsmoke in space" syndrome.

364 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:02:50pm

re: #355 EmmmieG

I've always thought that it would make a great sci fi series that the universe has its eyes on a very dangerous, unstable, war-like species that must be kept to its planet at all costs.

Us.

When we try to deny it, they show us video of people being hacked to death with machetes in Africa, or gassed in WWII, or...pretty much the whole campaign against kulaks in Soviet Russia, and ask us to explain.

We can't. Not really.

Picard will explain it!

365 engineer cat  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:03:02pm

re: #355 EmmmieG

I've always thought that it would make a great sci fi series that the universe has its eyes on a very dangerous, unstable, war-like species that must be kept to its planet at all costs.

Us.

When we try to deny it, they show us video of people being hacked to death with machetes in Africa, or gassed in WWII, or...pretty much the whole campaign against kulaks in Soviet Russia, and ask us to explain.

We can't. Not really.

there was a great version of that on the old superman tv show of the 50s. superman asks the aliens why they haven't contacted man before. the aliens say that the first time they came we were at war (film clips from world war one). they waited twenty years and came back, but we were still at war (film clips of world war two)

they concluded we were a species who was always fighting amongst themselves

366 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:03:35pm

re: #360 EmmmieG

Yeah, but we invent villains that are more agressive and warlike than us, as if this were possible for a species to be and still achieve space flight.

It depends on how they achieved space flight, like the Orks for instance.

367 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:03:45pm

re: #365 engineer dog

there was a great version of that on the old superman tv show of the 50s. superman asks the aliens why they haven't contacted man before. the aliens say that the first time they came we were at war (film clips from world war one). they waited twenty years and came back, but we were still at war (film clips of world war two)

they concluded we were a species who was always fighting amongst themselves

They weren't mistaken.

368 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:04:14pm

People won't flock to see a sci-fi movie about a highly intelligent and peaceful civilization in space. They don't want math and Plato. They want guns and sex while traveling around the universe.

369 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:04:32pm

re: #367 SanFranciscoZionist

They weren't mistaken.

Uh, yeah, history is pretty much one long series of wars.

Sigh.

370 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:06:22pm

Where are your phasers and photon torpedoes?

We don't have any weapons on board this ship.

What?

The End

371 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:07:03pm

re: #368 Gus 802

People won't flock to see a sci-fi movie about a highly intelligent and peaceful civilization in space. They don't want math and Plato. They want guns and sex while traveling around the universe.

That makes me think of this comic: [Link: xkcd.com...]

Also, the next one sums me up rather well...

372 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:07:49pm

re: #368 Gus 802

People won't flock to see a sci-fi movie about a highly intelligent and peaceful civilization in space. They don't want math and Plato. They want guns and sex while traveling around the universe.

True. [shakes head sadly]

373 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:10:12pm

re: #372 Dark_Falcon

True. [shakes head sadly]

I never understood it. Mind you, I like watching many war movies but why on Earth does every science fiction movie in space have to be either a war movie or a western of sorts? That's what I liked about 2001... that it wasn't your typical space sci-fi.

374 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:10:53pm

re: #368 Gus 802

People won't flock to see a sci-fi movie about a highly intelligent and peaceful civilization in space. They don't want math and Plato. They want guns and sex while traveling around the universe.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

375 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:12:41pm

re: #373 Gus 802

I never understood it. Mind you, I like watching many war movies but why on Earth does every science fiction movie in space have to be either a war movie or a western of sorts? That's what I liked about 2001... that it wasn't your typical space sci-fi.

Event Horizon.

376 McSpiff  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:13:39pm

re: #355 EmmmieG

I've always thought that it would make a great sci fi series that the universe has its eyes on a very dangerous, unstable, war-like species that must be kept to its planet at all costs.

Us.

When we try to deny it, they show us video of people being hacked to death with machetes in Africa, or gassed in WWII, or...pretty much the whole campaign against kulaks in Soviet Russia, and ask us to explain.

We can't. Not really.

Almost reminds me of this:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

377 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:13:46pm

re: #374 goddamnedfrank

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Like some of the 50s sci-fi's when they brought M1 Garands to Mars.

378 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:14:13pm

re: #368 Gus 802

People won't flock to see a sci-fi movie about a highly intelligent and peaceful civilization in space. They don't want math and Plato. They want guns and sex while traveling around the universe.

Such civilizations are usually included in scifi as a contrast on "emotional" humans, as well as a means of tackling major scientific problems by simply having a character who's smarter than the rest of the cast.

Generally, to show that "humans are the norm," we find out that such species were once warlike in the past and only seem unemotional due to the fact that they have emotions far stronger but have to keep them under check.

379 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:14:22pm

re: #375 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Event Horizon.

Solaris too. These are the exceptions.

380 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:14:36pm

re: #373 Gus 802

I never understood it. Mind you, I like watching many war movies but why on Earth does every science fiction movie in space have to be either a war movie or a western of sorts? That's what I liked about 2001... that it wasn't your typical space sci-fi.

I would say that it is the same virus that has infected nearly all movie genera. In order to generate maximum revenue per expenditure, decisions about what movies to fund and not fund mainly focus on those with the broadest appeal.

381 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:14:55pm

re: #377 Gus 802

Like some of the 50s sci-fi's when they brought M1 Garands to Mars.

For close encounters

382 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:15:34pm

re: #381 Shiplord Kirel

For close encounters

Like giant man eating ants with an IQ of 167?

/

383 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:16:42pm

re: #380 prononymous

I would say that it is the same virus that has infected nearly all movie genera. In order to generate maximum revenue per expenditure, decisions about what movies to fund and not fund mainly focus on those with the broadest appeal.

hahaha!....what a way to put it
just say follow the money

384 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:16:42pm

re: #378 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Such civilizations are usually included in scifi as a contrast on "emotional" humans, as well as a means of tackling major scientific problems by simply having a character who's smarter than the rest of the cast.

Generally, to show that "humans are the norm," we find out that such species were once warlike in the past and only seem unemotional due to the fact that they have emotions far stronger but have to keep them under check.

A species full of George Washingtons? Wow.

385 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:17:21pm

It's funny because they didn't bring any weapons on Apollo. ;)

386 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:17:24pm

I think there were at least a couple of Star Treks with Utopia communities.

Usually we found out they were paying some dreadful cost.

387 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:18:48pm

re: #386 EmmmieG

I think there were at least a couple of Star Treks with Utopia communities.

Usually we found out they were paying some dreadful cost.

"It's 2 o'clock, time to send the village off to the disintegration chamber."

388 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:19:10pm

re: #386 EmmmieG

I think there were at least a couple of Star Treks with Utopia communities.

Usually we found out they were paying some dreadful cost.

Except that that is fairly ironic, because Star Trek itself posited a human utopia. Everyone is happy, healthy, scientifically savvy, and reaching for the stars.

389 engineer cat  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:19:15pm

re: #379 goddamnedfrank

Solaris too. These are the exceptions.

solaris - from a story by stanislaw lem, a great sci fi writer - his stories should be filmed more

i liked the original russian version of solaris much better than the recent one

390 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:19:24pm

re: #385 Gus 802

It's funny because they didn't bring any weapons on Apollo. ;)

that you know of....tin horn bloggers like us actually know very little....it's hard not to mock all the presumption here....disuncluding you, of course

391 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:20:50pm

re: #376 McSpiff

Almost reminds me of this:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I was actually thinking of an episode of the revival of the Outer Limits, Heat's Desire.

392 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:20:59pm

re: #388 SanFranciscoZionist

Except that that is fairly ironic, because Star Trek itself posited a human utopia. Everyone is happy, healthy, scientifically savvy, and reaching for the stars.

"We have matter replicators and holodecks ... Why are we going anywhere again?"

393 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:21:24pm

re: #390 albusteve

that you know of...tin horn bloggers like us actually know very little...it's hard not to mock all the presumption here...disuncluding you, of course

Yeah. It would be rather effective to fire a projectile weapon on the moon. Look at it go man! Nah, they didn't bring anything like that with them.

394 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:21:42pm

re: #385 Gus 802

It's funny because they didn't bring any weapons on Apollo. ;)

As far as we know...

395 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:22:44pm

re: #393 Gus 802

Yeah. It would be rather effective to fire a projectile weapon on the moon. Look at it go man! Nah, they didn't bring anything like that with them.

rumor has it that Grissom packed a two shot Derringer...

396 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:22:53pm

re: #388 SanFranciscoZionist

Except that that is fairly ironic, because Star Trek itself posited a human utopia. Everyone is happy, healthy, scientifically savvy, and reaching for the stars.

Yeah, Gene tried that for the first two seasons of The Next Generation, arguing that by the time of the series, humanity had put away a lot of its problems and become more "civilized."

That and his pushing on the studio that one of the Trek movies deal with time travel and the JFK assassination is what led him to being made an "executive consultant," and putting the series in charge of guys like Rick Berman and Brannon Braga.

397 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:23:02pm

re: #394 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

As far as we know...

That's how conspiracy theories are born. Nope. No weapons.

398 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:23:13pm

For years I've been trying to locate a sci-fi story that I'm becoming less and less sure that I've actually read. I seem to believe I found it in OMNI or the short-lived Twilight Zone Magazine.

The story goes something like this:

An astronaut is on a solo mission on the moon, doing astronaut stuff and looking forward to coming home. While he's up there, the political situation back on Earth rapidly deteriorates and from his vantage point the astronaut can see the nuclear explosions happening all over Earth's land masses.

Eventually, the astronaut comes to realize that he, alone on the moon, might actually be the last living human. So he turns on his radio and begins broadcasting out to the stars every bit of information he can think of, in a desperate attempt to convey to some hypothetical SETI program that humans once existed. The last thing he says before his oxygen runs out is a knock-knock joke.

I'd really like to read this again.

399 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:23:23pm

re: #395 albusteve

rumor has it that Grissom packed a two shot Derringer...

Well, that's Grissom.

400 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:23:30pm

re: #383 albusteve

hahaha!...what a way to put it
just say follow the money

I wouldn't put it that way. It is a perfectly sensible move for a company funding a movie, game, etc to want to make as much money as they can on their investment. One of the common ways to do that is to try to make your potential audience as broad as possible.

401 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:23:36pm

The move "Captain America" looks cool. Saw my first preview on the big screen the other day.

The movie I went to see. Sucker Punch... Sucked so bad; I was glad I saw the "Captain America" trailer.

402 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:25:09pm

re: #397 Gus 802

That's how conspiracy theories are born. Nope. No weapons.

LOL
not even some pepper spray?....you positive?

403 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:26:01pm

re: #377 Gus 802

Like some of the 50s sci-fi's when they brought M1 Garands to Mars.

It's a lovely rifle and we produced so many that we were swimming in them after the war.

re: #389 engineer dog

solaris - from a story by stanislaw lem, a great sci fi writer - his stories should be filmed more

i liked the original russian version of solaris much better than the recent one

I'd like to see a film adaptation of William Gibson's Hinterlands.

404 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:26:13pm

re: #402 albusteve

LOL
not even some pepper spray?...you positive?

Never heard or read about anything like that. Even pepper spray. There's no mention of it.

405 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:26:14pm

I'd never even consider a trip to the moon without my trusty Stoeger and 300 rounds of mixed ammo

406 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:27:11pm

re: #404 Gus 802

Never heard or read about anything like that. Even pepper spray. There's no mention of it.

the official record is the least trustworthy source for the truth...don't you watch TV?

407 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:27:13pm

I bring a taser every time I visit the moon.

Speaking of visiting the moon, BRB.

408 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:27:43pm

re: #405 albusteve

I'd never even consider a trip to the moon without my trusty Stoeger and 300 rounds of mixed ammo

No oxygen. No oxidizer. No bang.

409 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:28:17pm

re: #406 albusteve

the official record is the least trustworthy source for the truth...don't you watch TV?

Yep. I try to watch Jesse Ventura as much as I can.

410 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:29:17pm

Forget I mentioned it.

411 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:30:05pm

re: #395 albusteve

rumor has it that Grissom packed a two shot Derringer...

Anything that will menace you on the moon requires more than a Derringer.

412 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:30:11pm

re: #403 goddamnedfrank

you read about this?...

Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles

Read more: [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I'd die for an M1

413 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:30:41pm

re: #408 Gus 802

No oxygen. No oxidizer. No bang.

Most modern rounds pack their own oxidizer, though whether the bullet would actually work is still a matter of debate. Even then, assuming it actually fires, unless it has some manner of equalization, your ass is going for a long ride. And there's also the matter of whether the gun will operate correctly in the absence of 1g of gravity.

414 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:31:10pm

re: #403 goddamnedfrank

It's a lovely rifle and we produced so many that we were swimming in them after the war.

True that. We were giving them away back then. Old Garands still turn up from time to time, with more than one being found in Iraq. I saw a photo of one such find late last year. As an American rifle used in battle by our Armed Force, it was treated with reverence in the photo, or at least that is how it seemed to me. I believe it was used subsequently by the soldiers who found it till they had to leave it there upon their return home as a target shooter. They wanted to know how the rifle their grandfathers had used shot and handled.

415 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:31:29pm

re: #408 Gus 802

No oxygen. No oxidizer. No bang.

such a negative vibe dood

416 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:32:49pm

re: #413 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Most modern rounds pack their own oxidizer, though whether the bullet would actually work is still a matter of debate. Even then, assuming it actually fires, unless it has some manner of equalization, your ass is going for a long ride. And there's also the matter of whether the gun will operate correctly in the absence of 1g of gravity.

little lead meteorites, streaking to and fro forever

417 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:32:59pm

re: #413 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Most modern rounds pack their own oxidizer, though whether the bullet would actually work is still a matter of debate. Even then, assuming it actually fires, unless it has some manner of equalization, your ass is going for a long ride. And there's also the matter of whether the gun will operate correctly in the absence of 1g of gravity.

For every action there is an equal and opposite...

418 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:33:04pm

re: #408 Gus 802

No oxygen. No oxidizer. No bang.

Gunpowder carries its own oxidizer in the form of nitrates. A gas piston operated reloading mechanism like the .30 carbine M1 probably wouldn't work tho', so you'd have to manually cycle each round.

419 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:33:22pm

re: #417 Gus 802

For every action there is an equal and opposite...

Bloom County. In Space, it's never Miller Time.

420 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:34:38pm

re: #414 Dark_Falcon

they must have found clipped ammo for it eh?....are there millions of those things floating around?

421 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:34:46pm

re: #415 albusteve

such a negative vibe dood

Still unheard of. Buzz Aldrin would have said something by now. He's a talker.

422 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:34:58pm

re: #417 Gus 802

For every action there is an equal and opposite...

Yep, hence why in most fiction that doesn't deal in directed energy weapons, man-portable firearms are designed for use in varying gravities, atmospheres, and so forth.

423 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:35:12pm

re: #412 albusteve

you read about this?...

Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles

Read more: [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I'd die for an M1

I saw that. I think it BS, especially for the Garands. Since the Garand cannot hold more than 8 rounds, nor can it accept a detachable magazine, it is no species of "assault weapon". I'd also argue for the carbines being imported, though in their case I can at least see a counter argument. But I see no problem with that import, and I think that if those guns are not destroyed, a future Republican president should allow them in.

424 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:35:19pm

re: #421 Gus 802

Still unheard of. Buzz Aldrin would have said something by now. He's a talker.

He's a man of action. Ka-pow!

425 austin_blue  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:35:30pm

re: #412 albusteve

you read about this?...

Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles

Read more: [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I'd die for an M1

The M-1 carbine is a piece of shit, basically a long barreled pistol. The M-1 Garand, on the other hand, is a real life battle rifle. I've got one, a Marine match-spec version, which my dad bought in 1948. It's a 4" shooter to a klick.

426 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:35:36pm

re: #408 Gus 802

No oxygen. No oxidizer. No bang.

Read a short story long ago about 2 human military forces fighting in space. The boarding parties used various gas powered flechette weapons, rocket powered harpoons, javelins and other puncturing weapons because the quickest way to ensure a kill was to cause a suit decompression.

427 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:36:05pm

re: #412 albusteve

you read about this?...

Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles

Read more: [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I'd die for an M1

I've got one, and a .30 carbine M1. Dad was in the CMP as a kid and got them when they were cheap.

428 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:36:11pm

re: #420 albusteve

they must have found clipped ammo for it eh?...are there millions of those things floating around?

Finding the ammo itself would be the trick. The clips can be reused if you're target shooting.

429 Kragar  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:36:41pm

re: #411 EmmmieG

Anything that will menace you on the moon requires more than a Derringer.

Maybe not anything.

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430 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:36:44pm

re: #426 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Read a short story long ago about 2 human military forces fighting in space. The boarding parties used various gas powered flechette weapons, rocket powered harpoons, javelins and other puncturing weapons because the quickest way to ensure a kill was to cause a suit decompression.

Gyrojet

431 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:38:41pm

re: #425 austin_blue

The M-1 carbine is a piece of shit, basically a long barreled pistol. The M-1 Garand, on the other hand, is a real life battle rifle. I've got one, a Marine match-spec version, which my dad bought in 1948. It's a 4" shooter to a klick.

The thing about the carbine is that it's small and can take a folding stock and 30 round mag. So even though I don't think their importation or sale should be restricted (beyond the normal forms and Instant Checks of course), I can see how it could be used as a crime gun.

432 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:39:04pm

re: #425 austin_blue

The M-1 carbine is a piece of shit, basically a long barreled pistol. The M-1 Garand, on the other hand, is a real life battle rifle. I've got one, a Marine match-spec version, which my dad bought in 1948. It's a 4" shooter to a klick.

I've shot the carbine a few times...too light, but spot on regarding the rifle...I'd love to own one and if I hadn't get sick I would have

433 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:40:17pm

re: #427 goddamnedfrank

I've got one, and a .30 carbine M1. Dad was in the CMP as a kid and got them when they were cheap.

drool...a Thompson would make a sweet threefer, eh?

434 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:46:49pm

Times like these, I wish we still had voices like Carl Sagan around. People to push us to consider what's out there, rather than so many who can't seem to think past what's in their own best interest.

435 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:50:10pm

re: #425 austin_blue

The M-1 carbine is a piece of shit, basically a long barreled pistol. The M-1 Garand, on the other hand, is a real life battle rifle. I've got one, a Marine match-spec version, which my dad bought in 1948. It's a 4" shooter to a klick.

In the jungle you usually can't see out to a click. Plenty of marines chose the carbine in the Pacific because it was effective at the most commonly engaged distance, was lighter, and held much more ammo. Also, unlike the Garand it can fire rifle grenades without having to lock the action. You don't have to fire it until empty to load the grenade launching cartridge, and can immediately pick it up and start firing semi-auto again after you've fired the grenade without having to remove the adaptor.

You can also hand a .30 carbine to an eight year old and expect effective covering fire. I have the luxury of owning both, but if I had to pick one it'd probably be the carbine.

436 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:50:44pm

re: #433 albusteve

drool...a Thompson would make a sweet threefer, eh?

Yes, but that's a full-auto weapon and thus a very different animal. It also has an undeniable history as a crime gun. I would be OK with allowing a number to be imported and sold to civilians, but it would take an act of Congress. And while I'd support that act of Congress, said Thompsons would need to be registered with the ATF (I support that, given the public danger posed by a full-auto weapon).

437 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:52:13pm

re: #433 albusteve

drool...a Thompson would make a sweet threefer, eh?

Yes, but it ain't gonna happen until I get rich and move out of Cali. Sometime in the future maybe.

438 austin_blue  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:52:14pm

Night all, Sweet dreams.

439 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 9:59:24pm

I know an ancient Pacific Theater WWII vet who lives in Goleta that had his armory Sgt. modify his M1 for full auto and weld two thirty round magazines together into a single sixty. This was long before the official development of the M2. He was so sad they didn't let him take it home after the war ended.

440 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:00:09pm

I want an M134 Minigun.

441 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:00:38pm

re: #440 Gus 802

I want an M134 Minigun.

Yeah, I'll get right on that, Ahnold.

/

442 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:01:11pm

re: #441 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, I'll get right on that, Ahnold.

/

I said short bursts!

/

443 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:02:07pm

re: #440 Gus 802

I want an M134 Minigun.

I want a Bradley for running errands

444 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:02:46pm

re: #443 albusteve

I want a Bradley for running errands

And a vintage MBT70 for date night?

445 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:03:14pm

re: #444 Gus 802

And a vintage MBT70 for date night?

is that a proposal?

446 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:03:37pm

re: #444 Gus 802

And a vintage MBT70 for date night?

Go for it...

[Link: www.gunloverspassions.com...]

447 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:04:32pm

re: #439 goddamnedfrank

I know an ancient Pacific Theater WWII vet who lives in Goleta that had his armory Sgt. modify his M1 for full auto and weld two thirty round magazines together into a single sixty. This was long before the official development of the M2. He was so sad they didn't let him take it home after the war ended.

Wow. How'd the armorer build a mag spring that long that kept its temper? Usually, its the spring that's the weak point in mag like that.

448 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:04:37pm

re: #440 Gus 802

I want an M134 Minigun.

And I want a man-portable positron collider.

/

449 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:05:22pm

re: #446 Walter L. Newton

Go for it...

[Link: www.gunloverspassions.com...]

Hmm. Colorado doesn't show up in the pulldown menu.

450 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:06:29pm

re: #449 Gus 802

Hmm. Colorado doesn't show up in the pulldown menu.

Start you're own gun loving dating website for Colorado... there's your ticket to big money.

451 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:07:37pm

re: #450 Walter L. Newton

Start you're own gun loving dating website for Colorado... there's your ticket to big money.

I'll need some start up capital. Please send cash or money order to...

No checks or electronic transfers please.

452 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:08:30pm

re: #451 Gus 802

I'll need some start up capital. Please send cash or money order to...

No checks or electronic transfers please.

Can't help you right now... got an overnight at King Soopers... out of here in a minute.

453 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:10:08pm

re: #452 Walter L. Newton

Can't help you right now... got an overnight at King Soopers... out of here in a minute.

Roger. Copy. Over. 10-4.

454 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:15:19pm

Yeeha!

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455 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:15:55pm

re: #447 Dark_Falcon

Wow. How'd the armorer build a mag spring that long that kept its temper? Usually, its the spring that's the weak point in mag like that.

Yeah I know. It seemed kind of crazy to me too but apparently it worked. Remember that the .30 carbine is a small bullet and the magazines load double-stack, so the spring isn't traveling as far as one might imagine. I imagine that it was a pretty tight wind though since it was supplying 11 rounds per second on average.

456 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:18:34pm

re: #454 Gus 802

Yeeha!

Image: r158371_575570.jpg

Yeah, the M1's a hot tank...right up until it's gas turbine burns through it's fuel. Then it's a really neat pillbox.

457 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:19:45pm

re: #456 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, the M1's a hot tank...right up until it's gas turbine burns through it's fuel. Then it's a really neat pillbox.

Shades of the Tiger? In a prolonged war, a serious war like WWII, that would cause problems.

458 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:21:05pm

re: #455 goddamnedfrank

Yeah I know. It seemed kind of crazy to me too but apparently it worked. Remember that the .30 carbine is a small bullet and the magazines load double-stack, so the spring isn't traveling as far as one might imagine. I imagine that it was a pretty tight wind though since it was supplying 11 rounds per second on average.

Yeah. That think would have been a terror at close quarters.

459 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:23:26pm

re: #457 Gus 802

Shades of the Tiger? In a prolonged war, a serious war like WWII, that would cause problems.

Maybe. But the M1 is much more reliable than the Tiger was. it's also faster than most of the tanks it might fight and its turret traverses faster.

460 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:25:07pm

re: #459 Dark_Falcon

Maybe. But the M1 is much more reliable than the Tiger was. it's also faster than most of the tanks it might fight and its turret traverses faster.

Yeah. It's not like we're going to relive WWII anytime soon. It is kind of unfortunate to see it being used for mine sweeping duty though. I still wouldn't want to get hit with a 500 pounder below me even in an M1.

461 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:26:18pm

re: #457 Gus 802

Shades of the Tiger? In a prolonged war, a serious war like WWII, that would cause problems.

The M1 was designed to fight a delaying war against Soviet armor in the Fulda Gap, not a prolonged stand-up war that requires movement over more than a few miles. The gas turbine's there for speed, not endurance, hence why you have to have a wagon train of fuel trucks following any advance of the beasts to keep them topped off.

462 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:26:50pm

re: #459 Dark_Falcon

Maybe. But the M1 is much more reliable than the Tiger was. it's also faster than most of the tanks it might fight and its turret traverses faster.

the Military Channel ranked the newest Leopold as the greatest tank in the world, just ahead of the M1...whatever that's worth

463 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:27:19pm

re: #461 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The M1 was designed to fight a delaying war against Soviet armor in the Fulda Gap, not a prolonged stand-up war that requires movement over more than a few miles. The gas turbine's there for speed, not endurance, hence why you have to have a wagon train of fuel trucks following any advance of the beasts to keep them topped off.

You know like the A-10 Thunderbolt is ideal for air in this current situation? Lately, I was thinking we need something like the A-1 Skyraider again.

464 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:28:24pm

re: #463 Gus 802

You know like the A-10 Thunderbolt is ideal for air in this current situation? Lately, I was thinking we need something like the A-1 Skyraider again.

too slow

465 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:30:33pm

re: #463 Gus 802

You know like the A-10 Thunderbolt is ideal for air in this current situation? Lately, I was thinking we need something like the A-1 Skyraider again.

The Skyraider's big claim to fame was being a bomb truck that could stay on station for extended periods. The A-10's a dedicated tank killer than can use its GAU-8 to open them like tin cans, light them up with Maverick missiles, or drop JDAMs down atop their heads. Not to mention that it can fly home with more holes through it than a screen door and without hydraulics to control it.

466 albusteve  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:32:21pm

re: #465 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The Skyraider's big claim to fame was being a bomb truck that could stay on station for extended periods. The A-10's a dedicated tank killer than can use its GAU-8 to open them like tin cans, light them up with Maverick missiles, or drop JDAMs down atop their heads. Not to mention that it can fly home with more holes through it than a screen door and without hydraulics to control it.

and they get to where they are needed much sooner

467 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:32:31pm

re: #464 albusteve

too slow

For AK-47s? Perhaps but they'll be using up a lot ammo. I think it's ideal for the GWOT. Cheap, easy to fly and maintain. A proven platform and like the A-10 built like a tank. Too late I suppose. Maybe a modern version.

468 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:34:17pm

re: #465 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The Skyraider's big claim to fame was being a bomb truck that could stay on station for extended periods. The A-10's a dedicated tank killer than can use its GAU-8 to open them like tin cans, light them up with Maverick missiles, or drop JDAMs down atop their heads. Not to mention that it can fly home with more holes through it than a screen door and without hydraulics to control it.

Yeah, but the A-10 won't get a chance to use its Avenger in Libya. The Air Force won't let A-10s go low enough to use it. They don't want to lose a pilot, since that would cause political damage (or at least it is thought that it would).

469 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:34:31pm

re: #467 Gus 802

For AK-47s? Perhaps but they'll be using up a lot ammo. I think it's ideal for the GWOT. Cheap, easy to fly and maintain. A proven platform and like the A-10 built like a tank. Too late I suppose. Maybe a modern version.

Or ideal for the Afghanistan military.

470 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:35:52pm

re: #468 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but the A-10 won't get a chance to use its Avenger in Libya. The Air Force won't let A-10s go low enough to use it. They don't want to lose a pilot, since that would cause political damage (or at least it is thought that it would).

Then why the frak would they deploy it there? What point is there to deploying a plane that was basically built around it's gun when you won't let the pilots fly low enough to put it to good use? That's like deploying B-52s, but not letting them drop any bombs.

471 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:39:37pm

re: #470 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Then why the frak would they deploy it there? What point is there to deploying a plane that was basically built around it's gun when you won't let the pilots fly low enough to put it to good use? That's like deploying B-52s, but not letting them drop any bombs.

Contingency planning. I'm pretty sure that things will remain fluid within the next couple of weeks.

472 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:40:39pm

re: #471 Gus 802

Contingency planning. I'm pretty sure that things will remain fluid within the next couple of weeks.

The only "fluid" I see are the puddles of piss who can't seem to decide whether we're in a shooting war with Libya or not.

473 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:41:51pm

re: #470 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Then why the frak would they deploy it there? What point is there to deploying a plane that was basically built around it's gun when you won't let the pilots fly low enough to put it to good use? That's like deploying B-52s, but not letting them drop any bombs.

The point is to say they're there. The West wants Gaddafi gone, but is not willing to take risks to do so. In the US and UK, war weariness is much of the reason. Much of the public doesn't want to hear about yet another military mission, and they don't want any more soldiers to die. Thus if we suffer losses, the politicians are afraid support for the action will crater.

474 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:42:09pm

re: #470 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Then why the frak would they deploy it there? What point is there to deploying a plane that was basically built around it's gun when you won't let the pilots fly low enough to put it to good use? That's like deploying B-52s, but not letting them drop any bombs.

It's insanely overbuilt and least likely to let its pilot come to harm. The administration is really dreading the idea of US casualties in Libya, they pitching for a perfect game.

475 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:44:13pm

re: #472 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The only "fluid" I see are the puddles of piss who can't seem to decide whether we're in a shooting war with Libya or not.

SNAFU?

I know. I try not to think about these things too much sometimes. Still have to give it time though. Something about "the best laid plans" and such.

476 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:48:16pm

re: #473 Dark_Falcon

The point is to say they're there. The West wants Gaddafi gone, but is not willing to take risks to do so. In the US and UK, war weariness is much of the reason. Much of the public doesn't want to hear about yet another military mission, and they don't want any more soldiers to die. Thus if we suffer losses, the politicians are afraid support for the action will crater.

To be expected, really. Obama's afraid of being seen as a "hypocrite" if he pushes for more than just lip-service to seeing Gaddafi removed from power, but the half-hearted measures in place are doing little more than draining money and morale. He wants to replay Clinton's "success" in Kosovo, but doesn't want to open himself to the same charges of going to war over "false pretenses."

477 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:49:24pm

re: #474 goddamnedfrank

It's insanely overbuilt and least likely to let its pilot come to harm. The administration is really dreading the idea of US casualties in Libya, they pitching for a perfect game.

DET BRAVO

478 Gus  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:50:59pm

re: #477 Gus 802

DET BRAVO

But of course if we did that we'd never hear the end of it. Even if it is Gaddafi.

479 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:54:24pm

re: #476 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

To be expected, really. Obama's afraid of being seen as a "hypocrite" if he pushes for more than just lip-service to seeing Gaddafi removed from power, but the half-hearted measures in place are doing little more than draining money and morale. He wants to replay Clinton's "success" in Kosovo, but doesn't want to open himself to the same charges of going to war over "false pretenses."

I can understand that. He's in a different circumstance than Clinton, in any case. Clinton was in his second half of his second term, with a hostile Congress. Since he could not run again, and could not accomplish anything domestically, he turned to foreign affairs to build his legacy.

Obama, by contrast, must face the voters next year. Thus he doesn't not want to run any risks or give Republicans any angles with which to mount an effective negative campaign. He's not playing to win as much as playing to 'not lose'.

Also in play is the fact that no one is willing to arm the rebels because of concern about where those arms might end up. If an anti-tank missile given to the rebels ended up being used by Al Qaeda, there would be Hell to pay politically.

480 Targetpractice  Sun, Apr 3, 2011 10:57:47pm

re: #479 Dark_Falcon

I can understand that. He's in a different circumstance than Clinton, in any case. Clinton was in his second half of his second term, with a hostile Congress. Since he could not run again, and could not accomplish anything domestically, he turned to foreign affairs to build his legacy.

Obama, by contrast, must face the voters next year. Thus he doesn't not want to run any risks or give Republicans any angles with which to mount an effective negative campaign. He's not playing to win as much as playing to 'not lose'.

Also in play is the fact that no one is willing to arm the rebels because of concern about where those arms might end up. If an anti-tank missile given to the rebels ended up being used by Al Qaeda, there would be Hell to pay politically.

It's also the question of "What Next?" We train the rebels, shove a bunch of weapons in their hands, then come election time next year, we're looking at a new Iran sitting where Libya used to be. I hate to be a buzzkill, but America doesn't exactly have the most stellar track record when it comes to supporting rebellions against governments we dislike.


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