Donald Trump’s Birther Lunacy is Working

The base is nuts
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You may think Donald Trump is a self-promoting clown who doesn’t have a chance to win the GOP’s presidential nomination.

But that’s because you’re not a Birther — unlike 42% of the Republican voters in New Hampshire.

Romney leads the first-in-the-nation primary contest in a multitude of scenarios involving difference candidates, often by as much as a 2-1 margin, according to a survey out Tuesday from Public Policy Polling. But when Trump gets into the race, Romney’s edge shrinks to 6 points, 27 percent to 21 percent.

If Trump isn’t included in the survey, Romney draws 32 percent of the vote, with Mike Huckabee a distant second at 15 percent.

The difference is the birthers: The Democratic polling shop found that Trump leads Romney among those who doubt President Barack Obama’s citizenship 22 percent to 21 percent. A previous PPP survey found that 42 percent of New Hampshire GOPers don’t believe Obama was born in America.

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292 comments
1 albusteve  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:02:01pm

would Trump make a decent president?....does the Pope shit in the woods?
GO DONALD!

2 Ming  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:02:23pm

It'll be interesting to see what position Romney takes on the birther "issue". Romney is famous for pandering. He seems to regard himself as so righteous, that it's OK for him to change his positions, because it's for a good cause (himself). But he's so famous for pandering, that if he comes out and says there's a legitimate controversy about Obama's birthplace, this could be a "pander too far", and doom his presidential hopes. Romney is probably twisting himself into a pretzel right about now, trying to figure out which position he should take.

3 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:03:41pm

Did anyone really think being a birther wouldn't help Trump with the GOP base? He read the numerous polls showing that nearly half of the GOP are birthers and he went with it to gain credibility with them.

This is actually not surprising at all.

4 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:04:11pm

Birtherism: It works
Really pathetic that it does but I can't say I am shocked.

5 Mocking Jay  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:04:47pm

The irony being that Trump's attempt to produce his certificate was full of fail...

6 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:05:38pm

re: #2 Ming

It'll be interesting to see what position Romney takes on the birther "issue". Romney is famous for pandering. He seems to regard himself as so righteous, that it's OK for him to change his positions, because it's for a good cause (himself). But he's so famous for pandering, that if he comes out and says there's a legitimate controversy about Obama's birthplace, this could be a "pander too far", and doom his presidential hopes. Romney is probably twisting himself into a pretzel right about now, trying to figure out which position he should take.

Romney has been very quiet as of late. I think he's such and empty suit, flip flopping used car salesman he doesn't want to state an opinion about anything until he has to. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't run at all.

7 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:07:14pm

re: #5 JasonA

The irony being that Trump's attempt to produce his certificate was full of fail...

Doesn't matter . He's rich and white so the GOP base doesn't doubt that he's a real American. To beclown himself is to earn street cred with the base.

8 kirkspencer  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:07:57pm

I can't help but wonder if this is going to be the Republican echo to the 1968 Dems.

9 albusteve  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:08:15pm

re: #3 moderatelyradicalliberal

Did anyone really think being a birther wouldn't help Trump with the GOP base? He read the numerous polls showing that nearly half of the GOP are birthers and he went with it to gain credibility with them.

This is actually not surprising at all.

he sounds like an authentic pol eh?

10 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:08:27pm

re: #2 Ming

It'll be interesting to see what position Romney takes on the birther "issue". Romney is famous for pandering. He seems to regard himself as so righteous, that it's OK for him to change his positions, because it's for a good cause (himself). But he's so famous for pandering, that if he comes out and says there's a legitimate controversy about Obama's birthplace, this could be a "pander too far", and doom his presidential hopes. Romney is probably twisting himself into a pretzel right about now, trying to figure out which position he should take.

It's something I wonder about since Romney is the biggest panderer/flip flopper of the bunch but I think he's also the least stupid of the group too.

11 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:09:10pm

Wasn't somebody scolding Charles recently about how reasonable and moderate Republican Primary voters are?

12 b_sharp  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:10:22pm

Aren't people worried about his hair getting loose in an urban area?

13 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:10:34pm

re: #9 albusteve

he sounds like an authentic pol eh?

He's got all of the prerequisite personality traits: narcissism, vanity, big ego, exhibitionism, and a total lack of shame.

14 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:11:20pm

re: #13 moderatelyradicalliberal

He's got all of the prerequisite personality traits: narcissism, vanity, big ego, exhibitionism, and a total lack of shame.

Sounds like Charlie Sheen... WINNING!

15 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:11:29pm

The primary system needs to be changed. States should not be allowed to go first more than once, until they've all had a turn.

Right now, the system is set to deliver another nut as the Republican candidate. That might be good for Obama, but in the long run we can't afford to have one of the two major parties so far out on the fringe.

16 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:12:17pm

Oh jeez.

17 albusteve  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:12:37pm

re: #13 moderatelyradicalliberal

He's got all of the prerequisite personality traits: narcissism, vanity, big ego, exhibitionism, and a total lack of shame.

I was referring to Trump, not BO

18 recusancy  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:13:28pm

re: #15 wrenchwench

The primary system needs to be changed. States should not be allowed to go first more than once, until they've all had a turn.

Right now, the system is set to deliver another nut as the Republican candidate. That might be good for Obama, but in the long run we can't afford to have one of the two major parties so far out on the fringe.

Do you think it would change if another state was first?

19 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:14:01pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

It's something I wonder about since Romney is the biggest panderer/flip flopper of the bunch but I think he's also the least stupid of the group too.

If this is truly self evident with the GOP base then he may as well STFU and STFD because he couldn't possibly win the nomination. The only way he wins is if a bunch of independents participate in open primary states. He has to talk the bases' language even if he does so in code speak and a calm demeanor.

20 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:14:07pm

Trump the dichotomy. Wealthy, yet worthless.

21 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:14:09pm

re: #15 wrenchwench

The primary system needs to be changed. States should not be allowed to go first more than once, until they've all had a turn.

Right now, the system is set to deliver another nut as the Republican candidate. That might be good for Obama, but in the long run we can't afford to have one of the two major parties so far out on the fringe.

Or perhaps a National Primary Day.

22 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:14:48pm

re: #14 Walter L. Newton

Sounds like Charlie Sheen... WINNING!

Politicians, pimps, preachers, and entertainers have very similar personality profiles, btw.

23 FreedomMoon  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:15:09pm

Donald is nothing more than a socialite--right up there with Kim Kardashian. He knows he has absolutely no chance of winning an election (at ANY level of public office) so I think he's trying to be as sensationalist as possible and just ride the gravy train of populism to keep him relevant so he can bask in his continuum of 15 minutes of fame.. I don't want to give him any credit because I think he's an idiot, but I don't think he's naive enough to believe all of the nonsense that spews from his mouth. Once election time comes around people's views align a little bit more with reality.

24 albusteve  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:15:37pm

re: #20 prononymous

Trump the dichotomy. Wealthy, yet worthless.

he provides many construction jobs around the country...should he do more?...how do you contribute?

25 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:16:05pm

re: #22 moderatelyradicalliberal

Politicians, pimps, preachers, and entertainers have very similar personality profiles, btw.

Not surprised. They're all some form of professional bullshit artist. And with that, I'm out.

26 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:16:22pm

re: #12 b_sharp

Aren't people worried about his hair getting loose in an urban area?

It's New Hampshire. They are confident they can shoot it with hunting rifles if it makes a break for it.

27 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:16:46pm

re: #17 albusteve

I was referring to Trump, not BO

I'll give you the first four because I know this is true about even politicians that I like, but what's BO done that is shameful?

28 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:16:55pm

re: #22 moderatelyradicalliberal

Politicians, pimps, preachers, and entertainers have very similar personality profiles, liberals,btw.

Fixed that for you.

29 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:17:01pm

re: #24 albusteve

he provides many construction jobs around the country...should he do more?...how do you contribute?

By running a business somewhere other than into the ground.

30 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:17:08pm

re: #18 recusancy

Do you think it would change if another state was first?

Only if "first" were rotated.

The candidates would not know what to expect in a state other than New Hampshire or Iowa. Right now those states have a bunch of organizations set up for the candidates to appear before and pander to. Other states would have different organizations. The wingers would have to scramble to get any other state as organized as they are in the current "first" states.

31 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:17:28pm

re: #20 prononymous

Trump the dichotomy. Wealthy, yet worthless.

LOL!

32 albusteve  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:17:49pm

re: #27 moderatelyradicalliberal

I'll give you the first four because I know this is true about even politicians that I like, but what's BO done that is shameful?

who could care?...it's all about mug time and AmIdol politics

33 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:19:14pm

very entertaining!

romney vs trump - poodle vs klown

watching the gop presidential field is like watching the tonite show's jaywalking segments

34 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:19:19pm

re: #24 albusteve

he provides many construction jobs around the country...should he do more?...how do you contribute?

Kim Kardashian is also creating jobs, but I'm not sure that qualifies her to be President.

35 albusteve  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:20:15pm

re: #29 prononymous

By running a business somewhere other than into the ground.

you couldn't carry Trumps toe nail clippers...but snark away expertre: #34 SanFranciscoZionist

Kim Kardashian is also creating jobs, but I'm not sure that qualifies her to be President.

did I say Trump was qualified?....no

36 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:21:01pm

re: #35 albusteve

you couldn't carry Trumps toe nail clippers...but snark away expertre: #34 SanFranciscoZionist

did I say Trump was qualified?...no

And he also provided Omarosa with her big break, or whatever that was, which I'm afraid has to count against him.

37 b_sharp  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:21:13pm

re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist

Kim Kardashian is also creating jobs, but I'm not sure that qualifies her to be President.

But which one is better looking naked?

38 FreedomMoon  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:21:39pm

re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist

Kim Kardashian is also creating jobs, but I'm not sure that qualifies her to be President.

That's why he's resorting to sensationalist tactics; he offer nothings else to the world other than the catch phrase "ya fiyad" and an unofficial (Kenyan?) birth certificate.

39 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:21:47pm

We've got Governor Goodhair. Trump would be President Roadkillhair.

Really, though, interesting take isn't it? Embracing the Birthers also embraces the 9/11 Was An Inside Job crowd by proxy.

As Solomon said, "Conspiracy, conspiracy, all is conspiracy."

There are a lot of Bobbleheads out there, nodding.

40 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:22:00pm

re: #37 b_sharp

But which one is better looking naked?

If she doesn't knock off the plastic surgery, it will be a draw.

41 albusteve  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:22:09pm

STEVEN TYLER FOR POTUS!
he'd kick some ass

42 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:23:07pm

Trump is a punchline.

43 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:23:46pm

re: #35 albusteve

you couldn't carry Trumps toe nail clippers...but snark away expert

I don't give a shit what you do because it is irrelevant to the subject of Trump's worth. But thanks for the sarcastic bullshit anyway.

44 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:23:50pm

re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist

And he also provided Omarosa with her big break, or whatever that was, which I'm afraid has to count against him.

Oh, snap!

45 b_sharp  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:24:09pm

Canada and Scotland are tied fot first place in men's curling and they play tonight.

I'm torn between watching the game and shoveling snow.

46 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:24:31pm

Donald is the fourth of five children of Fred Trump, a real-estate developer based in New York City and self-made millionaire. Donald was strongly influenced by his father in his eventual goals to make a career in real estate development,[8] and upon his graduation from the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania in 1968, Donald Trump joined his father's company, Elizabeth Trump & Son;[9] taking its helm in 1971 and rechristening it The Trump Organization.[10][11]

Starting with the renovation of the Commodore Hotel into the Grand Hyatt with the Pritzker family, he continued with Trump Tower in New York City and several other residential projects. Trump would later expand into the airline industry (buying the Eastern Shuttle routes),[12] and Atlantic City casino business, including buying the Taj Mahal Casino from the Crosby family, then taking it into bankruptcy. This expansion, both personal and business, led to mounting debt.[13] Much of the news about him in the early 1990s involved his much publicized financial problems, creditor-led bailout, extramarital affair with Marla Maples (whom he later married), and the resulting divorce from his first wife, Ivana Trump.

what an inspiring life story for the ordinary american

who among us doesn't aspire to be born to a millionaire yet find oneself in bankruptcy

47 albusteve  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:25:36pm

re: #42 Obdicut

Trump is a punchline.

he fits in perfect...if BO can get elected, so can Harvey Kurtzman, what's the difference?

48 albusteve  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:26:27pm

re: #43 prononymous

I don't give a shit what you do because it is irrelevant to the subject of Trump's worth. But thanks for the sarcastic bullshit anyway.

compared to Trump, you are nobody...chew on that, big shot

49 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:26:43pm

re: #28 Walter L. Newton

Politicians, pimps, preachers, and entertainers have very similar personality profiles, liberals,btw.

Actually this would have fixed it.

"Politicians, pimps, preachers, entertainers, and liberals have very similar personality profiles, btw."

The way you tried to fix it by slipping "liberals" in before the "btw" was incorrect sentence structure.

50 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:27:18pm

re: #47 albusteve

You can say Obama had a light record. But it was a successful one.

Trump has a record of failure. Sure, he made money off of failure. But failure nonetheless.

He's got a reputation for failure, shallowness, bad behavior, and, with his embrace of birtherism, absolute stupidity.

So comparing him to Obama is pretty dim.

51 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:27:38pm

what i want to know is why, if trump was born to a millionaire and went to the finest schools, does he look and sound like a pool hustler who won the lottery?

52 Mr. Crankypants  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:28:39pm

So when is someone going to take these idiots to task and demand they provide proof that Obama wasn't born in this country or that his mother wasn't a US citizen at the time of his birth.

Obama has provided all sorts of evidence acceptable in any court of the land. So why do we still give these idiots any kind of credence at all?

53 b_sharp  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:28:56pm

re: #48 albusteve

compared to Trump, you are nobody...chew on that, big shot

I take it you are bored silly.

54 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:29:23pm

re: #51 engineer dog

what i want to know is why, if trump was born to a millionaire and went to the finest schools, does he look and sound like a pool hustler who won the lottery?

Becuase he is rich as shit and he can sound like anything he wants to.

55 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:29:27pm

re: #51 engineer dog

what i want to know is why, if trump was born to a millionaire and went to the finest schools, does he look and sound like a pool hustler who won the lottery?

And why can't he hire someone who can give him a good haircut?

56 Mr. Crankypants  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:29:28pm

re: #53 b_sharp

I take it you are bored silly.

I vote for silly, myself

57 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:29:29pm

re: #43 prononymous

I don't give a shit what you do because it is irrelevant to the subject of Trump's worth. But thanks for the sarcastic bullshit anyway.

They're just the gold toe nail clippers that Trump inherited from his rich daddy anyway. Gross.

//

Trump was born on third, but I guess we should bow down like he hit a triple.

58 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:29:49pm

re: #51 engineer dog

what i want to know is why, if trump was born to a millionaire and went to the finest schools, does he look and sound like a pool hustler who won the lottery?

Maybe because he was born to a millionaire and went to the finest schools. Those two facts would not raise my expectations of a person.

59 albusteve  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:30:33pm

re: #50 Obdicut

You can say Obama had a light record. But it was a successful one.

Trump has a record of failure. Sure, he made money off of failure. But failure nonetheless.

He's got a reputation for failure, shallowness, bad behavior, and, with his embrace of birtherism, absolute stupidity.

So comparing him to Obama is pretty dim.

and it amuses me to no end that a 20 hr a day blog burner has the audacity to judge others way beyond their miserable station...you included amigo...tell us all about your real estate successes and failures in Manhatten

60 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:31:08pm

re: #47 albusteve

he fits in perfect...if BO can get elected, so can Harvey Kurtzman, what's the difference?

Public Policy and Constitutional Law background?

Just sayin', Steve. You can't run the Executive like you run a real estate development business. You have to work with two other branches of government and an electorate that has the option of saying "You're Fired!' after your first four years.

Trump reminds me of more Strongman than Statesman.

61 albusteve  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:31:19pm

re: #53 b_sharp

I take it you are bored silly.

I'm my jolly self...as for bored, consider the subject

62 Mr. Crankypants  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:31:46pm

re: #59 albusteve

and it amuses me to no end that a 20 hr a day blog burner has the audacity to judge others way beyond their miserable station...you included amigo...tell us all about your real estate successes and failures in Manhatten

Social Darwinism died out in the 20s. Having a lot of money doesn't mean you've won, especially when you never had to play the game in the first place.

63 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:32:06pm

re: #48 albusteve

compared to Trump, you are nobody...chew on that, big shot

What makes someone nobody compared to Donald Trump? Money? Ego? The ability to gate-crash politics?

64 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:32:21pm

re: #55 reine.de.tout

And why can't he hire someone who can give him a good haircut?

Cause he's bald.

65 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:32:40pm

re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist

What makes someone nobody compared to Donald Trump? Money? Ego? The ability to gate-crash politics?

An asshole and a keyboard.

66 albusteve  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:33:08pm

re: #60 austin_blue

Public Policy and Constitutional Law background?

Just sayin', Steve. You can't run the Executive like you run a real estate development business. You have to work with two other branches of government and an electorate that has the option of saying "You're Fired!' after your first four years.

Trump reminds me of more Strongman than Statesman.

and I say American politics is comedy gold...Trump is no better or worse then the next asshole in line

67 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:33:26pm

re: #48 albusteve

compared to Trump, you are nobody...chew on that, big shot

At least I don't have a godawful double combover.
:P

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:33:33pm

re: #55 reine.de.tout

And why can't he hire someone who can give him a good haircut?

I suspect he actually likes the way his hair looks.

I can't agree, but it is his hair. Or at least, he paid for and owns whatever that stuff is.

69 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:33:37pm

re: #46 engineer dog

Donald is the fourth of five children of Fred Trump, a real-estate developer based in New York City and self-made millionaire. Donald was strongly influenced by his father in his eventual goals to make a career in real estate development,[8] and upon his graduation from the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania in 1968, Donald Trump joined his father's company, Elizabeth Trump & Son;[9] taking its helm in 1971 and rechristening it The Trump Organization.[10][11]

Starting with the renovation of the Commodore Hotel into the Grand Hyatt with the Pritzker family, he continued with Trump Tower in New York City and several other residential projects. Trump would later expand into the airline industry (buying the Eastern Shuttle routes),[12] and Atlantic City casino business, including buying the Taj Mahal Casino from the Crosby family, then taking it into bankruptcy. This expansion, both personal and business, led to mounting debt.[13] Much of the news about him in the early 1990s involved his much publicized financial problems, creditor-led bailout, extramarital affair with Marla Maples (whom he later married), and the resulting divorce from his first wife, Ivana Trump.

what an inspiring life story for the ordinary american

who among us doesn't aspire to be born to a millionaire yet find oneself in bankruptcy

LOL! Sounds like Bushes. The younger tried his best, but wasn't nearly as good as the elder.

70 Mr. Crankypants  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:33:50pm

re: #66 albusteve

and I say American politics is comedy gold...Trump is no better or worse then the next asshole in line

only if your standards are incredibly low, much like any woman who's ever considered taking him home.

71 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:34:10pm

re: #59 albusteve

What the hell is wrong with you tonight, Steve?

72 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:34:21pm

re: #48 albusteve

compared to Trump, you are nobody...chew on that, big shot

I never claimed such. You have no idea who I am or what I think and it is clear you have no desire to rectify that.

I didn't attack you but I can see I can't expect that in return. I'm done with you and you little friend too. Thanks for playing.

73 albusteve  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:34:36pm

re: #62 PT Barnum

Social Darwinism died out in the 20s. Having a lot of money doesn't mean you've won, especially when you never had to play the game in the first place.

exactly why BO shattered the record amassing a billion dollar campaign chest...thanks for bringing that up

74 b_sharp  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:35:02pm

re: #59 albusteve

and it amuses me to no end that a 20 hr a day blog burner has the audacity to judge others way beyond their miserable station...you included amigo...tell us all about your real estate successes and failures in Manhatten

It's bullshit to believe we cannot discuss and judge someone without living his life.
I don't need to kill to know a murderer is scum, neither do i need to be rich and in real estate to judge Trump's success or failure as a human.

75 Mr. Crankypants  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:35:29pm

re: #71 Obdicut

What the hell is wrong with you tonight, Steve?

OCODD

Obsessive Compulsive Obama Derangement Disorder. Believe me, Steve is as ODD as they get

76 albusteve  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:35:41pm

re: #71 Obdicut

What the hell is wrong with you tonight, Steve?

I defend the indefensible...you don't know that?

77 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:36:48pm

re: #59 albusteve

and it amuses me to no end that a 20 hr a day blog burner has the audacity to judge others way beyond their miserable station...you included amigo...tell us all about your real estate successes and failures in Manhatten

"beyond their miserable station"

our impudence in being commoners daring to criticize aristocrats! the evil influence of those revolutionary republicans in the colonies who desire to do violence to god's natural order by putting all men on the same footing has done more damage than i thought

78 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:36:49pm

re: #52 PT Barnum

So when is someone going to take these idiots to task and demand they provide proof that Obama wasn't born in this country or that his mother wasn't a US citizen at the time of his birth.

Obama has provided all sorts of evidence acceptable in any court of the land. So why do we still give these idiots any kind of credence at all?

Not true! Here in the Land of ZOG, clever Jewish scientists invented a time machine in 2005 to send agents back to 1961 and file not one, but TWO birth announcements in Hawaiian newspapers!

These fiendishly clever Red Sea Pedestrians will stop at nothing to destroy us!

Eleventy!!

79 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:36:54pm

re: #76 albusteve

That makes no sense. You don't defend Hitler, Ahmadinejad, or Bin Laden.

80 Mr. Crankypants  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:37:51pm

re: #79 Obdicut

That makes no sense. You don't defend Hitler, Ahmadinejad, or Bin Laden.

well, not here anyway

81 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:39:13pm

re: #76 albusteve

I defend the indefensible...you don't know that?

Steve is just pushing your yarbel buttons, comrade. Seems to be working, doesn't it?

82 albusteve  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:40:49pm

re: #72 prononymous

I never claimed such. You have no idea who I am or what I think and it is clear you have no desire to rectify that.

I didn't attack you but I can see I can't expect that in return. I'm done with you and you little friend too. Thanks for playing.

the point is America is full of crackpots, and everyone who comes down the pike with their trumped up ambitions, that you disagree with, gets burned over and over and over again, until it molds....Trump is just another AmIdol crackpot, and I mock all the energy spent degrading him....it's an obsession for sure...if Trump wants to run for president so be it, that's what we are reduced to...I just hunker down and laugh it off, it's hardly some big deal

83 albusteve  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:42:27pm

re: #81 austin_blue

Steve is just pushing your yarbel buttons, comrade. Seems to be working, doesn't it?

I concede

84 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:42:39pm

re: #82 albusteve

the point is America is full of crackpots, and everyone who comes down the pike with their trumped up ambitions, that you disagree with, gets burned over and over and over again, until it molds...Trump is just another AmIdol crackpot, and I mock all the energy spent degrading him...it's an obsession for sure...if Trump wants to run for president so be it, that's what we are reduced to...I just hunker down and laugh it off, it's hardly some big deal

Oh, I get it. You're the cool kid who doesn't give a fuck.

85 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:43:05pm

re: #66 albusteve

and I say American politics is comedy gold...Trump is no better or worse then the next asshole in line

Well, it IS going to be a curmudgeonly night for you, isn't it?

;-)

Go forth and offend, Don Quixote!

86 recusancy  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:43:18pm

Once again sad angry old men are sad and angry.

87 albusteve  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:43:20pm

re: #84 moderatelyradicalliberal

Oh, I get it. You're the cool kid who doesn't give a fuck.

pretty much

88 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:43:47pm

re: #55 reine.de.tout

And why can't he hire someone who can give him a good haircut?

Or, a good rug. I'm not convinced it's his hair!

89 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:44:14pm

re: #82 albusteve

Steve on a good day:

Image: funny-pictures-cat-doesnt-look-like-he-gives-a.jpg

Steve on a bad day:

Image: funny-pictures-cat-filing-under-f.jpg

Later, lizards.

90 Mr. Crankypants  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:44:14pm

I would laugh it off, but the idea of that moron or any of the other goopers considering running for POTUS actually making it into the oval office scares the shit out of me. Very little of the immense quantities of fearmongering that's been pushed by the Right since before Obama got elected has actually come to pass?

So why should we choose one of these idiots over someone with a track record of actually doing what he says he'll do (given the opportunity) for a bunch of clowns who haven't delivered on any of their promises?

91 albusteve  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:44:16pm

re: #86 recusancy

Once again sad angry old men are sad and angry.

leave your father out of this please

92 Mocking Jay  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:45:05pm

*throws some Jiffy Pop on the burner*

93 Mr. Crankypants  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:45:08pm

re: #91 albusteve

leave your father out of this please

you sure he wasn't talking about your willie?

94 albusteve  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:45:56pm

re: #93 PT Barnum

you sure he wasn't talking about your willie?

maybe...I'm flexible

95 b_sharp  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:45:58pm

re: #87 albusteve

pretty much

Except you give enough of a fuck to make everyone knows you don't give a fuck.

You're a bit of a burn tonight Steve. what's up?

96 Mr. Crankypants  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:46:21pm

re: #90 PT Barnum

Including the promises that Obama would turn the US into a socialist state, or that they would focus on jobs if elected?

97 Mr. Crankypants  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:46:58pm

re: #94 albusteve

maybe...I'm flexible


snort...that's what she said you said.

98 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:48:15pm

re: #92 JasonA

*throws some Jiffy Pop on the burner*

LOL

99 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:49:53pm

re: #91 albusteve

leave your father out of this please

Come on Steve... stop it... you're starting to sound like that piece of shit Walter.

100 b_sharp  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:50:29pm

re: #95 b_sharp

Except you give enough of a fuck to make everyone knows you don't give a fuck.

You're a bit of a burn tonight Steve. what's up?

The iPad keyboard sucks.

101 albusteve  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:50:30pm

re: #95 b_sharp

Except you give enough of a fuck to make everyone knows you don't give a fuck.

You're a bit of a burn tonight Steve. what's up?

I say if Trump wants to run for president then so what?...it's the nature of the climate around here...
KIETH FOR PRESIDENT!

people don't want to face reality...they pretend shock and dismay...faux

102 Mocking Jay  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:51:06pm

re: #99 Walter L. Newton

Come on Steve... stop it... you're starting to sound like that piece of shit Walter.

Oh please, like Steve could ever get that obnoxious...

103 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:51:07pm

Is that 42% including or not including the percentage of GOPers who aren't sure if Obama was born in the USA or not?

104 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:52:37pm

re: #88 Floral Giraffe

Or, a good rug. I'm not convinced it's his hair!

Better?

Maybe not.

105 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:52:49pm

re: #90 PT Barnum

Exactly this. It would be hilarious that Trump is running if it wasn't for the fact he is actually considered a viable candidate. In response to that reality I will do my best to make sure he never attains the office. From talking about it on blogs/forums and volunteering for good causes to voting as I feel appropriate. That talking on a blog is the the least we can do doesn't mean we should get snarked for it.

106 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:54:54pm

re: #103 jamesfirecat

Is that 42% including or not including the percentage of GOPers who aren't sure if Obama was born in the USA or not?

Most polls I've seen show an additional 20-25% who say they aren't sure.

107 Interesting Times  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:55:07pm

re: #98 Stanley Sea

Remember the drunk-driving college dropout Walker hired for $81,000/year? You won't be happy to see a certain familiar something on his (now cached) facebook page...

108 albusteve  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:55:35pm

re: #105 prononymous

Exactly this. It would be hilarious that Trump is running if it wasn't for the fact he is actually considered a viable candidate. In response to that reality I will do my best to make sure he never attains the office. From talking about it on blogs/forums and volunteering for good causes to voting as I feel appropriate. That talking on a blog is the the least we can do doesn't mean we should get snarked for it.

who knows?...you alone may make a difference, but even without your robust actions, Trump will not be president

109 b_sharp  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:56:11pm

re: #105 prononymous

Exactly this. It would be hilarious that Trump is running if it wasn't for the fact he is actually considered a viable candidate. In response to that reality I will do my best to make sure he never attains the office. From talking about it on blogs/forums and volunteering for good causes to voting as I feel appropriate. That talking on a blog is the the least we can do doesn't mean we should get snarked for it.

I suspect you are about to be called a poodle with butt-hurt.

110 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:58:50pm

re: #109 b_sharp

I suspect you are about to be called a poodle with butt-hurt.

It's the least I deserve. The good thing about my philosophical position is that there is something in there for everyone to hate.

111 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 5:58:51pm

re: #107 publicityStunted

Remember the drunk-driving college dropout Walker hired for $81,000/year? You won't be happy to see a certain familiar something on his (now cached) facebook page...

AHH HELL

112 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:01:22pm

re: #107 publicityStunted

Remember the drunk-driving college dropout Walker hired for $81,000/year? You won't be happy to see a certain familiar something on his (now cached) facebook page...

I'm searching out my uterus photo now. Time for a change!

113 jaunte  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:05:11pm

re: #112 Stanley Sea

I'm searching out my uterus photo now. Time for a change!

That's not a line you run across often.

114 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:08:34pm

Okay, we're past the C-note.

She Who Must Be Obeyed and I are off to the UK tomorrow for a well deserved 12 days in Edinburgh and Bedfordshire (aka Beds). Hopefully, Mount Alferkrakenschwartzennegersdottir doesn't erupt again and ground us for an additional eight days like it did last year. (Expensive!)

Best joke of the eruption:

The dying Icelandic economy's last wish was for its ashes to be scattered all over the European mainland.

I may chime in on some of the late night/overnight threads. Be gentle, dear Lizards, and remember that Scotch Ales are the Breakfast of Champions. It's unwind time! I'm amped.

115 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:09:49pm

Uterus Photo, now there would be a good pron-onymous.

116 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:10:21pm

re: #115 prononymous

Uterus Photo, now there would be a good pron-onymous.

Nice one!

117 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:10:48pm

re: #115 prononymous

Uterus Photo, now there would be a good pron-onymous.

uteron proteron?

118 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:13:26pm

hahaha, ever damn .jpg is too big to upload. gah.

119 Kragar  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:15:14pm

re: #118 Stanley Sea

hahaha, ever damn .jpg is too big to upload. gah.

Open them in paint, then adjust the size ration and make it smaller.

120 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:16:26pm

DONE! haha.

121 b_sharp  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:17:30pm

re: #118 Stanley Sea

hahaha, ever damn .jpg is too big to upload. gah.

Do you want a place to upload it to?

122 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:17:34pm

re: #120 Stanley Sea

Heh.

123 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:18:07pm

I'm laughing. Sorry folks.

124 b_sharp  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:18:17pm

re: #120 Stanley Sea

DONE! haha.

Where?

125 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:22:13pm

re: #124 b_sharp

Where?

Clear your cache.

126 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:23:07pm

re: #124 b_sharp

Where?

In Wisconsin!

shannynmoore Shannyn Moore

10 out of 3630 precincts reporting: Prosser: 1,904 - 37% Kloppenburg: 3,239 - 63% #wiunion #wisconsin #union #wivote

long way to go, but I certainly hope that the pro-worker vote will prevail. Amazing.

127 darthstar  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:23:37pm

Trump's birther lunacy is an act meant to make him money...and yes, it's working. His ratings for that shit for brains apprentice show have been going up.

I guarantee that, before he tells everyone it was a joke and he isn't really running, he goes on camera and says, "President Obama, you're fired." It'll be a hit for weeks on Fox news.

128 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:27:27pm

re: #126 Stanley Sea

In Wisconsin!

shannynmoore Shannyn Moore

10 out of 3630 precincts reporting: Prosser: 1,904 - 37% Kloppenburg: 3,239 - 63% #wiunion #wisconsin #union #wivote

long way to go, but I certainly hope that the pro-worker vote will prevail. Amazing.

I hope she wins!!

129 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:28:18pm

re: #127 darthstar

I agree that it is probably an act. But that doesn't mean we should sit by and ignore it while he spreads total BS. Or that I have to like him for it. In fact, it makes me like him even less. That he could spread xenophobic bullshit while not even believing it, all for monetary gain, is just sick.

130 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:28:23pm

re: #114 austin_blue

Hope the trip is better than you expect!

131 The Yankee  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:28:46pm

Turmp, The Al Sharpton of the Republican party........

132 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:29:29pm

re: #130 Floral Giraffe

Hope the trip is better than you expect!

Oh, I expect it to great. Last year's eruption was a Black Swan.

133 darthstar  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:29:44pm

re: #129 prononymous

That he could spread xenophobic bullshit while not even believing it, all for monetary gain, is just sick.

That is exactly what people should say when interviewed about Trump. Some Democrat should call him on his bigotry for bucks campaign and then we can watch that worm backpedal.

134 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:31:03pm

re: #128 prairiefire

I hope she wins!!

[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

135 darthstar  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:31:52pm

re: #126 Stanley Sea

In Wisconsin!

shannynmoore Shannyn Moore

10 out of 3630 precincts reporting: Prosser: 1,904 - 37% Kloppenburg: 3,239 - 63% #wiunion #wisconsin #union #wivote

long way to go, but I certainly hope that the pro-worker vote will prevail. Amazing.

I hope this is making a lot of Republicans in the Wisconsin Senate shit their pants about now.

136 b_sharp  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:33:50pm

re: #125 prononymous

Clear your cache.

I had to put away the iPad and un-bag the laptop to see SS's uterus.

137 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:34:54pm

re: #136 b_sharp

I had to put away the iPad and un-bag the laptop to see SS's uterus.

LOL!

138 darthstar  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:36:07pm

re: #136 b_sharp

I had to put away the iPad and un-bag the laptop to see SS's uterus.

A uterus on a bike! Love it. The Uterati are also green!

139 sod  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:36:16pm

re: #1 albusteve

would Trump make a decent president?...does the Pope shit in the woods?
GO DONALD!

Upding just for the pope thing.

140 Ojoe  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:36:53pm

I think Trump and Huckabee are each spectacularly unqualified to be POTUS.

141 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:37:32pm

re: #133 darthstar

That is exactly what people should say when interviewed about Trump. Some Democrat should call him on his bigotry for bucks campaign and then we can watch that worm backpedal.

Darth, you are sadly naive. While it's a well known fact that the Birther movement is at its base racist, Trump is a *celebrity*. He will be able to say "I'm just asking a question! Why won't Obama answer it?" to put The Controversy (as in the classic Teach The Controversy!) to rest. This is classic bullshit in modern politics. The Donald is a businessman and has a TV Product to sell.

'Nuff said.

142 Kruk  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:38:48pm

re: #133 darthstar

That is exactly what people should say when interviewed about Trump. Some Democrat should call him on his bigotry for bucks campaign and then we can watch that worm backpedal.

I don't think the Democrats mind one bit. Birtherism (and the associated "Obama's a Muslim" meme) alienates:

-African Americans (whose citizenship has questioned and denied time and again).
-Hispanics (who are often the children of first generation immigrants, married to first generation, or first generation parents of natural born citzens. They know the same smear will be run against them or their children if they have the audacity to run for president).
-Asians, Arabs, Africans and other immigrants communities (ditto)
-Muslims (try telling them that saying Obama's a Muslim is in no way a smear).
-Independents and moderates who might be tempted to cross over tp the GOP.

Like Napolean said, never interrupt your opponent when he's busy making a mistake.

143 Kragar  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:39:49pm

re: #142 Kruk


Like Napoleon said, never interrupt your opponent when he's busy making a mistake.

Like starting a land war in Russia?

144 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:40:43pm

re: #143 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Like starting a land war in Russia?

...
During the winter.

145 darthstar  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:42:48pm

re: #141 austin_blue

Okay...I'll leave the Donald alone. I wouldn't want anyone retaliating against him and asking him about the drug lords who launder money through his casinos. I mean, it would only be right to ask the question, if such a relationship was possible.

146 darthstar  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:43:25pm

re: #143 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Like starting a land war in Russia?

Asia.

147 Kragar  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:44:12pm

re: #146 darthstar

Asia.

Shush.

148 darthstar  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:44:36pm

re: #146 darthstar

Asia.

Wait...you were thinking Napolean. I was thinking of the Princess Bride.

Youtube Video
149 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:44:54pm

re: #139 sod

Upding just for the pope thing.

Steve was on a button-pushing *roll* earlier tonight. He's a clever, clever shit stirrer.

This site needs it occasionally. We all tend to take ourselves too seriously from time to time. Most of y'all probably don't remember Tax Free Killer. Now *that* man was a piece of work. Steve is a grumpy fuzzy bunny compared to TFK.

150 Kragar  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:45:52pm

re: #148 darthstar

Wait...you were thinking Napolean. I was thinking of the Princess Bride.

[Video]

Correct.

Napoleon, one A.

151 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:46:29pm

Elections, like watching sports. Except for the brick-a-thon last night.

WI Supreme Court Votes
Kloppenburg 50%
67,454
Prosser 50%
67,252

152 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:46:33pm

"there are only two rules of war: never invade russia; never invade china"

- general bernard montgomery

153 darthstar  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:47:23pm

OMG...I just read on the internet (so it must be true) that Donald Trump launders money for drug lords!

154 darthstar  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:48:35pm

re: #151 Stanley Sea

fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck

155 recusancy  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:49:00pm

The CBO looks at RyanCare

156 sod  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:49:00pm

re: #149 austin_blue

:)

And an upding for you for the "She Who Must Be Obeyed". Enjoy your vacation!

157 recusancy  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:50:22pm

re: #154 darthstar

fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck

It's only 8 percent reporting so far.

158 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:50:42pm

re: #149 austin_blue

Steve was on a button-pushing *roll* earlier tonight. He's a clever, clever shit stirrer.

This site needs it occasionally. We all tend to take ourselves too seriously from time to time. Most of y'all probably don't remember Tax Free Killer. Now *that* man was a piece of work. Steve is a grumpy fuzzy bunny compared to TFK.

Well, Steve is COHERENT compared to TFK.

Also, he doesn't have an aneurysm every time you mention John Kerry. Or sunspots.

159 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:51:13pm

re: #152 engineer dog

"there are only two rules of war: never invade russia; never invade china"

- general bernard montgomery

What were his thoughts on Afghanistan?

160 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:51:18pm

re: #152 engineer dog

"there are only two rules of war: never invade russia; never invade china"

- general bernard montgomery

I dunno. The latter worked out pretty good for my buddy Temüjin.

161 b_sharp  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:52:30pm

re: #158 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, Steve is COHERENT compared to TFK.

Also, he doesn't have an aneurysm every time you mention John Kerry. Or sunspots.

I saw John Kerry riding a sunspot once. The waves were intense and he was on fire.

162 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:52:42pm

re: #149 austin_blue

Internet: serious business.

163 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:53:13pm

re: #160 Slumbering Behemoth

And iirc, he did a pretty good job on the former as well.

164 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:53:44pm

re: #145 darthstar

Okay...I'll leave the Donald alone. I wouldn't want anyone retaliating against him and asking him about the drug lords who launder money through his casinos. I mean, it would only be right to ask the question, if such a relationship was possible.

Blasphemy! The US Gaming Corporations do no such thing!

[snickers and whistles in the dark]

Move along... Nothing to see here..

165 Buck  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:53:54pm

Birthers are nutz

Youtube Video
166 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:53:59pm

re: #155 recusancy

The CBO looks at RyanCare

Hopefully the Republicans are digging a huge hole for themselves. This shit needs to stop.

167 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:54:25pm

re: #152 engineer dog

"there are only two rules of war: never invade russia; never invade china"

- general bernard montgomery

Vizzini: You only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned! Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line"! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha...
Vizzini: [Vizzini stops suddenly, his smile frozen on his face and falls to the ground dead]

168 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:54:55pm

re: #161 b_sharp

I saw John Kerry riding a sunspot once. The waves were intense and he was on fire.

It was also cold and rainy outside that day, thus proving AGW is a hoax.
/

169 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:55:57pm

re: #165 Buck

Heh. Oh-Bam-Uh.

170 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:56:36pm

Btw, I'm now actively wishing for the Republicans to force a government shutdown. Bring it on, idiots.

171 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:58:25pm

re: #170 Killgore Trout

Me, too. It'll force some difficult conversations/confrontations into the open, is my hope.

172 webevintage  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:58:55pm

re: #155 recusancy

The CBO looks at RyanCare

I hope they rip it apart...but the TEAGOP will just say the CBO has a bias.

I could go with the "sacrifice" Ryan's plan demands of the 95% of us if the top 5% was also asked to "sacrifice" even a little bit.

173 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:59:11pm

re: #158 SanFranciscoZionist

LOL!

174 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:59:15pm

re: #158 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, Steve is COHERENT compared to TFK.

Also, he doesn't have an aneurysm every time you mention John Kerry. Or sunspots.

Or some remote snow station in Oregon. I loved TFK for the humor factor. He really *was* the Gabby Johnson ("Thank you for that authentic frontier gibberish") of LGF.

But he was also just as crazy as a shit-house mouse.

And, as we say in Texas whenever we talk trash about someone, no matter how well deserved, "Bless his heart!"

175 Lidane  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:59:26pm

The fact that Obama's birth certificate is still an issue in 2011 is goddamn pathetic. Has it never dawned on any of these shit for brains GOP primary voters that Barack Obama would have undergone background checks when he got into the Senate so he could get his security clearances?

The very idea that we could still be talking about that nonsense in the next election cycle is nauseating. I hope this bites the GOP in the ass hard, and that Obama gets re-elected, just to make all the birther heads explode at once.

176 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 6:59:57pm

re: #151 Stanley Sea

Elections, like watching sports. Except for the brick-a-thon last night.

WI Supreme Court Votes
Kloppenburg 50%
67,454
Prosser 50%
67,252

Don't EVER think your vote doesn't count!
It does.

177 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:00:45pm

re: #174 austin_blue

He also seemed to be a bit post turtled.

178 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:00:56pm

re: #176 Floral Giraffe

Don't EVER think your vote doesn't count!
It does.

Yep. It does. I'm off for Japanese miso and my iphone to watch the results.

Uterati, OUT.

179 b_sharp  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:01:51pm

re: #177 Floral Giraffe

He also seemed to be a bit post turtled.

I thought it was turtles all the way down?

180 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:01:55pm

re: #178 Stanley Sea

MISO, I'm jealous!

181 Lidane  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:02:52pm

re: #170 Killgore Trout

Btw, I'm now actively wishing for the Republicans to force a government shutdown. Bring it on, idiots.

I've been saying that since they first started threatening a shutdown.

Let them do it. PLEASE. It bit them in the ass when they did it to try and humiliate Clinton, and it will fail again now.

182 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:03:02pm

re: #179 b_sharp

It is, except when they get posted to a fence post!

183 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:03:19pm

re: #166 Killgore Trout

Hopefully the Republicans are digging a huge hole for themselves. This shit needs to stop.

Yeah, but it's Change we are going to bullshit you into believing! Look at the 2010 elections! Most Americans are Sheeple! It's *working*.

Brrr. Sudden chill.

184 recusancy  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:04:12pm

Looks like Wasserman Shultz is going to be the new DNC chair. Good pick.

185 darthstar  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:05:13pm

re: #184 recusancy

Looks like Wasserman Shultz is going to be the new DNC chair. Good pick.

I like her...I didn't at first, but she's not afraid to tell assholes they're being assholes. So she'd be a good pick in my opinion, too...for what it's worth.

186 webevintage  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:05:35pm

re: #184 recusancy

Looks like Wasserman Shultz is going to be the new DNC chair. Good pick.

Good pick.
She is a pretty fearless defender of the Democrats and the President when I have seen her on TV.

187 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:06:40pm

re: #172 webevintage

I hope they rip it apart...but the TEAGOP will just say the CBO has a bias.

I could go with the "sacrifice" Ryan's plan demands of the 95% of us if the top 5% was also asked to "sacrifice" even a little bit.

Yeah, lowering the marginal tax to 25% on top earners will create jobs, just like it has since '07.

"A rising tide *my* boat, you stupid motherfuckers, and thanks for all the cash!"

188 recusancy  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:06:47pm

re: #186 webevintage

Good pick.
She is a pretty fearless defender of the Democrats and the President when I have seen her on TV.

Beats the hell out of Kaine.

189 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:07:27pm

re: #187 austin_blue

Yeah, lowering the marginal tax to 25% on top earners will create jobs, just like it has since '07.

"A rising tide lifst *my* boat, you stupid motherfuckers, and thanks for all the cash!"

Oops.

190 b_sharp  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:07:41pm

re: #184 recusancy

Looks like Wasserman Shultz is going to be the new DNC chair. Good pick.

DNC? As in Dilation and Curettage?

Are we back to uteruses already?

191 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:08:52pm

re: #189 austin_blue

Oops.


re: #189 austin_blue

Oops.

lifts

Jeez. Stupid motherfucker.

192 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:09:17pm

re: #186 webevintage

Good pick.
She is a pretty fearless defender of the Democrats and the President when I have seen her on TV.

She was great during Schiavo.

193 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:09:33pm

re: #190 b_sharp

DNC? As in Dilation and Curettage?

Are we back to uteruses already?

Rude but clever.

194 b_sharp  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:10:24pm

re: #193 austin_blue

Rude but clever.

Clever by half.

195 jaunte  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:10:44pm

PZ Myers retweet: Time Magazine poll re Christopher Hitchens

schparrow Mark Sparrow
by pzmyers
Hey @PZMyers how about RT'ing and Pharyngulating this Christopher Hitchens poll? [Link: ti.me...]
196 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:11:21pm

re: #175 Lidane

The fact that Obama's birth certificate is still an issue in 2011 is goddamn pathetic. Has it never dawned on any of these shit for brains GOP primary voters that Barack Obama would have undergone background checks when he got into the Senate so he could get his security clearances?

The very idea that we could still be talking about that nonsense in the next election cycle is nauseating. I hope this bites the GOP in the ass hard, and that Obama gets re-elected, just to make all the birther heads explode at once.

We'd lose a damn large part of the South...

Oh, wait. Evolution in action...

197 Lidane  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:12:34pm

re: #196 austin_blue

We'd lose a damn large part of the South...

Oh, wait. Evolution in action...

They'll all be Raptured by then, unless all those preachers are wrong. Again. =P

198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:13:31pm

re: #167 austin_blue

Gosh, I love that movie...

199 Interesting Times  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:13:32pm

re: #188 recusancy

Beats the hell out of Kaine.

He wasn't able? :)

200 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:14:54pm

re: #197 Lidane

They'll all be Raptured by then, unless all those preachers are wrong. Again. =P

Can we lock Austin's weather into today? Glorious..

201 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:16:57pm

re: #151 Stanley Sea

Elections, like watching sports. Except for the brick-a-thon last night.

WI Supreme Court Votes
Kloppenburg 50%
67,454
Prosser 50%
67,252

That's gonna be a recount for sure. And military and absentee ballots have likely not been counted. So we won't have a winner for a week. I hope Prosser pulls it out, though.

202 b_sharp  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:17:20pm

re: #195 jaunte

PZ Myers retweet: Time Magazine poll re Christopher Hitchens

Done. Hitchens and I don't agree in everything but I respect the man immensely.

I started listening to him in several debates where he figuratively destroyed Woo-meister Dinesh D'Souza.

203 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:23:13pm

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

That's gonna be a recount for sure. And military and absentee ballots have likely not been counted. So we won't have a winner for a week. I hope Prosser pulls it out, though.

Prosser is the one who called Shirley Abrahamson, the chief justice, a bitch and threatened to destroy her, right?

204 b_sharp  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:24:50pm

re: #203 Obdicut

Prosser is the one who called Shirley Abrahamson, the chief justice, a bitch and threatened to destroy her, right?

He rages against the machine doesn't he?

205 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:26:03pm

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

That's gonna be a recount for sure. And military and absentee ballots have likely not been counted. So we won't have a winner for a week. I hope Prosser pulls it out, though.

Think again, neither Madison nor Milwaukee have been counted yet.

206 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:27:06pm

Prosser is also the one who voted against voted for a rule that allowed judges to not recuse themselves from cases involving campaign donors. The rule's language was written by-- for humor value-- one of Prosser's biggest campaign donors.

Yeah, that's a good choice.

207 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:27:33pm

re: #203 Obdicut

Prosser is the one who called Shirley Abrahamson, the chief justice, a bitch and threatened to destroy her, right?

I don't know. I only know he's Walker's man, and I'm pulling for Walker.

My suburb had school board elections today, and I was uncharacteristically not voting. Low money reserves and a desire not to miss work were the reasons, though not having kids at school played the key role.

208 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:28:01pm

re: #64 Stanley Sea

Cause he's bald.

Why can't men just accept their baldness with dignity? Why do they have to battle their baldness with money?

My dad and his millionaire brother both inherited the male pattern baldness gene, but while my dad gracefully accepted his bald head, my uncle had hair transplants, hair plugs, and now, at 82 years old, wears a really cheesy toupee.

It's just so tacky looking, it seems that no amount of money can buy a decent hairpiece.

209 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:28:42pm

re: #205 goddamnedfrank

Think again, neither Madison nor Milwaukee have been counted yet.

Well, Walker has had good support in Milwaukee, but Madison is a liberal bastion of long standing.

210 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:29:08pm

re: #207 Dark_Falcon

You seriously are pulling for a candidate you have no clue about? Because he's supported by a guy who's attempting to turn the clock back on organized labor in a way that contradicts the principles of Ronald Reagan?

How is that 'conservative'?

211 recusancy  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:29:16pm

Prossner:

Youtube Video
212 b_sharp  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:29:35pm

re: #208 Alouette

Why can't men just accept their baldness with dignity? Why do they have to battle their baldness with money?

My dad and his millionaire brother both inherited the male pattern baldness gene, but while my dad gracefully accepted his bald head, my uncle had hair transplants, hair plugs, and now, at 82 years old, wears a really cheesy toupee.

It's just so tacky looking, it seems that no amount of money can buy a decent hairpiece.

When I started losing my hair I shaved my head. Baldness solved.

213 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:29:52pm

re: #207 Dark_Falcon

I don't know. I only know he's Walker's man, and I'm pulling for Walker.

My suburb had school board elections today, and I was uncharacteristically not voting. Low money reserves and a desire not to miss work were the reasons, though not having kids at school played the key role.

You're pulling for the guy who's blatantly ignoring court rulings?

That makes sense.

214 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:32:18pm

David Frum on Paul Ryan:

Paul Ryan, House Budget Committee Chairman and realist, has taken the great leap. He has publicly proposed a budget resolution for Fiscal Year 2012 that directly takes on Medicare and Medicaid, the two great drivers of the impending American debt crisis.

Ryan’s become the first elected federal official with any position of responsibility who’s decided to break the cone of silence surrounding the ugly and simple truth—you cannot put the United States back on a sound fiscal track unless you admit that the government has made promises that it cannot keep.

Some have already criticized the Ryan Plan: it doesn’t address tax increases; it hits the elderly; it breaks promises we have made to those who pay the payroll tax; it’s unrealistic.

Shortly after Ryan released his budget plan, the President and Republican leaders met at the White House. Ostensibly the meeting was about the seventh Continuing Resolution for FY11 appropriations. The meeting though really foreshadows the larger questions that will surround the FY12 budget and the upcoming attempt by Congress to raise the federal debt limit.

And, no deal emerged from that meeting. Indeed, only snide remarks and political posturing made news. But, sorrowfully, no one expected much more.

We have talked before about the difficult challenge House Speaker Boehner has before him—trying to get Republicans of “form” to agree with Republicans of substance. So far, the Michelle Bachmanns of the world have garnered most of the momentum—that is, from the Republicans for political advantage and “form.” Now Ryan has spoken for Republicans of substance—that is, Republicans for serious fiscal reform.

I bolded the last paragraph of that excerpt because I feel its important. Paul Ryan is a serious policy thinker, he's not a mindless DERPer. Regardless of whether you like his budget proposal, we should all wish for leaders like him to prevail internally within the GOP.

215 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:33:08pm

re: #213 goddamnedfrank

You're pulling for the guy who's blatantly ignoring court rulings?

That makes sense.

Which court rulings are you referring to?

216 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:34:59pm

re: #208 Alouette

Signed in to upding. I mean, puleeze.

217 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:35:27pm

re: #208 Alouette

It's a lot like women not wanting to go grey. They cover it up with blonde.
Such a shame!

218 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:37:07pm

re: #217 Floral Giraffe

It's a lot like women not wanting to go grey. They cover it up with blonde.
Such a shame!

Pffft. I'm proud of my gray hairs—they didn't come cheap. ;o)

219 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:37:53pm

re: #208 Alouette

Why can't men just accept their baldness with dignity? Why do they have to battle their baldness with money?

My dad and his millionaire brother both inherited the male pattern baldness gene, but while my dad gracefully accepted his bald head, my uncle had hair transplants, hair plugs, and now, at 82 years old, wears a really cheesy toupee.

It's just so tacky looking, it seems that no amount of money can buy a decent hairpiece.

Old millionaires are never crazy, merely eccentric. Tell the old fart to wear a beret and claim he's channeling Paul Cezanne or a huge yarmulke and claim he's channeling Mel Brooks.

220 b_sharp  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:38:31pm

re: #217 Floral Giraffe

It's a lot like women not wanting to go grey. They cover it up with blonde.
Such a shame!

I shave my head, and it looks absolutely naked, so I'm going to get some tattoos.

221 Interesting Times  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:39:05pm

re: #217 Floral Giraffe

It's a lot like women not wanting to go grey.

My natural color is jet black - if I let it continue going grey at its present rate, I'll look like Jay Leno (i.e. white with a token dark spot in the front). No bottle blonde for me, though - caramel highlights FTW :)

222 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:39:32pm

re: #217 Floral Giraffe

It's a lot like women not wanting to go grey. They cover it up with blonde.
Such a shame!

Or, brown as the case may be (mine).
The Roi, however, embraces the fact that he has about two hairs left on his head.

223 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:39:36pm

re: #210 Obdicut

Saw your comment from yesterday about losing your friend. {{{Obdi}}}

224 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:39:51pm

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

David Frum on Paul Ryan:

I bolded the last paragraph of that excerpt because I feel its important. Paul Ryan is a serious policy thinker, he's not a mindless DERPer. Regardless of whether you like his budget proposal, we should all wish for leaders like him to prevail internally within the GOP.

He wants to lower the top marginal tax rate to 25%.

He's an idiot.

225 jaunte  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:40:07pm

re: #220 b_sharp

My stepson has a flaming skull tattoo on each side of his head. He said it hurt some.

226 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:40:09pm

re: #217 Floral Giraffe

It's a lot like women not wanting to go grey. They cover it up with blonde.
Such a shame!

Well, Jamie Lee Curtis went grey without complaint. Of course, being an actress she also used the fact that she did did to get magazine articles, but actors and actresses will do a lot to get attention. She claimed she was retiring from acting, but those mags got her a role in the comedy You Again late last year. So talking about growing old gracefully landed her a movie role that paid her more for 2 1/2 month's work than most of us will see in 5 years. Nice work if you can get it.

/Forgive the run-on. I was venting a little.

227 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:40:41pm

re: #225 jaunte

My stepson has a flaming skull tattoo on each side of his head. He said it hurt some.

Yikes!

228 b_sharp  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:40:44pm

re: #221 publicityStunted

My natural color is jet black - if I let it continue going grey at its present rate, I'll look like Jay Leno (i.e. white with a token dark spot in the front). No bottle blonde for me, though - caramel highlights FTW :)

I actually have almost white hair except for a Leno dark, dark brown spot in front and a band at the back.

229 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:40:55pm

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

We get it. You hate any union that supports the Democrats. I remember your support for certain kinds of public unions over others earlier.

230 Lidane  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:42:22pm

re: #210 Obdicut

How is that 'conservative'?

Because there's an (R) after his name. That's how.

231 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:42:36pm

re: #224 austin_blue

He wants to lower the top marginal tax rate to 25%.

He's an idiot.

He plans to cut a whole raft of loopholes and deductions in order to lower the rate without reducing revenues. It's not a meritless idea. It's designed to eliminate unneeded complexity and he takes that approach in a number of programs.

232 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:42:46pm

re: #210 Obdicut

You seriously are pulling for a candidate you have no clue about? Because he's supported by a guy who's attempting to turn the clock back on organized labor in a way that contradicts the principles of Ronald Reagan?

How is that 'conservative'?


ronald reagan loved federal employee unions? Did I fall and bump my head?

233 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:42:49pm

Republicans for serious fiscal reform

all this talk from republicans about getting serious about balancing the budget is so much horseshit until they start acting like adults and accept that we need to raise revenue to pay for the things we have all agreed that we need

if they think they are fooling people with their proposals to balance the budget on the backs of working people, the elderly, and children just so that they can preserve those precious tax cuts for those making over $250k/yr, they have another thing coming

234 b_sharp  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:42:55pm

re: #225 jaunte

My stepson has a flaming skull tattoo on each side of his head. He said it hurt some.

That sounds kind of cool.

I've always been a fan of skulls and skeletons.

I don't think I would go with them though, I'm too old.

235 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:42:59pm

re: #222 reine.de.tout

LOL!
It's genetic.
I can do as much about it, as I can my height, or eye color.
Fixing the stuff that I can!
Hair color, isn't on the list.

236 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:43:10pm

Hoping for blowback....
Wisconsin Election Blogging

10:30 PM: The Supreme Court race is officially non-partisan. But Democrats are supporting the challenger Kloppenburg and Republicans the incumbent Prosser. Prooser is up by 2 percentage points with 25% of the precincts reporting. But Eric notes that the places that haven't reported yet favor Kloppenburg. Particularly much of Dane County, which includes Madison.

237 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:44:43pm

re: #235 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
It's genetic.
I can do as much about it, as I can my height, or eye color.
Fixing the stuff that I can!
Hair color, isn't on the list.

Wouldn't be on mine, either, if I had a nice silver gray like my dad had.
But my gray just looks like crap. I've had gray hair since I was in my 20's, and it looks like crap. So it needs to be fixed.

238 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:45:16pm

re: #236 Killgore Trout

results page in case someone hasn't already posted:
[Link: host.madison.com...]

David Prosser* 236,153 51%
JoAnne Kloppenburg 224,840 49%

Results updated every half hour. Last update 9:30 p.m.

239 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:45:45pm

re: #232 RogueOne

ronald reagan loved federal employee unions? Did I fall and bump my head?

“Where Collective Bargaining Is Forbidden, Freedom Is Lost”---- Ronald Reagan

240 Amory Blaine  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:45:53pm

Supreme court race here in WI is neck and neck.

241 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:46:31pm

re: #237 reine.de.tout

Wouldn't be on mine, either, if I had a nice silver gray like my dad had.
But my gray just looks like crap. I've had gray hair since I was in my 20's, and it looks like crap. So it needs to be fixed.

Does not.

242 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:46:42pm

re: #239 jamesfirecat

“Where Collective Bargaining Is Forbidden, Freedom Is Lost”--- Ronald Reagan

"Get back to work or you're fired" R. Reagan.

243 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:47:07pm

From TPM:

WI Supreme Court Votes
Kloppenburg 48% 301,978
Prosser 52% 320,751
39% reporting

244 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:47:15pm

re: #238 RogueOne

results page in case someone hasn't already posted:
[Link: host.madison.com...]

David Prosser* 236,153 51%
JoAnne Kloppenburg 224,840 49%

Results updated every half hour. Last update 9:30 p.m.

It could be serious if the wingnuts survive this. It'll embolden other states.

245 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:47:53pm

Well, time to start packing. SWMBO is back from a rehearsal, and despite the fact the fact that I can pack for two weeks in the UK in about a half hour, must look busy!

Good night all. I'll check in Thursday from the Elephant House (Birthplace of Harry Potter!) Great little coffeehouse across from the Scottish Nat'l Library.

Nice that we aren't flying the new Southwest 737-300 convertibles.

Sweet dreams, dear ones.

246 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:47:54pm

re: #239 jamesfirecat

“Where Collective Bargaining Is Forbidden, Freedom Is Lost”--- Ronald Reagan

That works when applied to the SAG (which Reagan served as its president), less so when applied to government workers.

247 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:48:32pm

re: #245 austin_blue

Well, time to start packing. SWMBO is back from a rehearsal, and despite the fact the fact that I can pack for two weeks in the UK in about a half hour, must look busy!

Good night all. I'll check in Thursday from the Elephant House (Birthplace of Harry Potter!) Great little coffeehouse across from the Scottish Nat'l Library.

Nice that we aren't flying the new Southwest 737-300 convertibles.

Sweet dreams, dear ones.

Bon voyage! Come home safe.

248 Amory Blaine  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:48:33pm

re: #203 Obdicut

Prosser is the one who called Shirley Abrahamson, the chief justice, a bitch and threatened to destroy her, right?

He also says he will be a nice "complement" to Walker.

249 sagehen  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:49:16pm

There's also a County Executive race (Walker's seat before he became governor); the Democrat (Abele) is smushing the Republican (Stone), 61%-39%.

[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

250 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:49:17pm

re: #227 CuriousLurker

Yikes!

Hoping for joke or coolest stepdad award.

251 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:49:25pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout

It could be serious if the wingnuts survive this. It'll embolden other states.

I don't think it has any affect at all. The only issue is whether the vote was held in accordance with their open meetings law. Worse-case scenario for Walker is he passes it again and avoids the whole argument.

252 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:49:36pm

The real Ronald Reagan

Youtube Video
253 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:52:15pm

re: #246 Dark_Falcon

That works when applied to the SAG (which Reagan served as its president), less so when applied to government workers.

Dark I spent some time today marching with my Mom and Dad to help support my mom who might be finding her job as an IT tech at a high school suddenly becoming considered a "part time" position (with a large pay cut) because there aren't enough (850 last time I checked) students attending her high school.

So your argument that collective bargaining among government employees has allowed said employees too much power is sort of falling on deaf ears....

254 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:52:25pm

re: #246 Dark_Falcon

And how do teachers protect them themselves from being fired at the whim of an administrator that doesn't like them. Also, how do we defend the teaching of evolution if teachers are under threat of parents?

Your partisanship is showing through. And what makes you think the Republicans will stop at Teachers Unions? They will go after Labor outright. And because of their support for Democrats, I guarantee you won't do anything, speaking up or otherwise.

255 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:52:29pm

re: #252 marjoriemoon

I miss Phil. Pure genius.

256 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:53:02pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout

KT? Am I correct in remembering that you're a Bill Hicks fan?

257 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:53:36pm

re: #240 Amory Blaine

Supreme court race here in WI is neck and neck.

Boots on the ground! Keep us posted

258 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:54:30pm

re: #255 RogueOne

The best cast member in SNL history... well... him and Gilda.

259 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:54:42pm

re: #232 RogueOne

ronald reagan loved federal employee unions? Did I fall and bump my head?

You must have, because apparently you think I said Reagan 'loved federal employee unions'.

260 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:55:12pm

re: #258 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The best cast member in SNL history... well... him and Gilda.

Scred.

261 Amory Blaine  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:56:23pm

re: #249 sagehen

There's also a County Executive race (Walker's seat before he became governor); the Democrat (Abele) is smushing the Republican (Stone), 61%-39%.

[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

I must say I had to plug my nose to vote for Abele. The election is only for one year though. If he can't cut it he will be easily replaced.

262 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:56:41pm

re: #256 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

FBV, saw your post about your MIL Saturday and have been meaning to try and catch you. So sorry to hear about that. I was hoping this year would be better for you.

263 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:56:55pm

re: #252 marjoriemoon

The real Ronald Reagan

[Video]

one of my most fave sln ever!

:-)

264 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:57:05pm

re: #261 Amory Blaine

Do you think Kloppenburg will win?

265 Amory Blaine  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:57:45pm

re: #264 ProLifeLiberal

Do you think Kloppenburg will win?

At this point IDK and that alone is disturbing.

266 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:58:14pm

re: #254 ProLifeLiberal

And how do teachers protect them themselves from being fired at the whim of an administrator that doesn't like them. Also, how do we defend the teaching of evolution if teachers are under threat of parents?

Your partisanship is showing through. And what makes you think the Republicans will stop at Teachers Unions? They will go after Labor outright. And because of their support for Democrats, I guarantee you won't do anything, speaking up or otherwise.

Federal law protects the right to form a union. Nor has Governor Walker done anything to 'go after' private sector unions.

As for how people protect themselves against a boss who doesn't like you?

I decline to answer.

267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:58:52pm

re: #262 CuriousLurker

Thank you very much for your kind wishes.

268 Amory Blaine  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:59:13pm

re: #203 Obdicut

Prosser is the one who called Shirley Abrahamson, the chief justice, a bitch and threatened to destroy her, right?

He also gave the most weasel like apology for it to. Something to the effect that "she made him do it" and "it was a trap" is the current RW meme.

269 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:59:40pm

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

Federal law protects the right to form a union. Nor has Governor Walker done anything to 'go after' private sector unions.

As for how people protect themselves against a boss who doesn't like you?

I decline to answer.

Can you answer me this then... if a union can't bargain collectively, what is the advantage of being part of it?

270 sagehen  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 7:59:46pm

re: #258 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The best cast member in SNL history... well... him and Gilda.

What about Eddie Murphy?

I'M GUMBY DAMMIT!

271 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:00:13pm

re: #270 sagehen

Not even close.

272 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:00:28pm

Okay, I'm out. Nite, lizards.

273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:03:09pm

Y'all need to watch for this movie. If you don't know Bill Hicks? You should.

274 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:04:57pm

re: #269 jamesfirecat

Can you answer me this then... if a union can't bargain collectively, what is the advantage of being part of it?

It can serve a social organization, and may organize politically (I've got no problem with union's engaging in political activity if the funds used were solicited freely given for that purpose).

275 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:05:43pm

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

Which court rulings are you referring to?

This one. You support a tyrant who is spitting on the judiciary.

276 Amory Blaine  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:07:30pm

Jeff Stone just conceeded.

277 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:09:05pm

[Link: host.madison.com...]

1,622 of 3,630 wards reporting

David Prosser* 365,503 51%
JoAnne Kloppenburg 344,449 49%

278 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:09:12pm

re: #276 Amory Blaine

Who's that?

279 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:09:31pm

re: #274 Dark_Falcon

It can serve a social organization, and may organize politically (I've got no problem with union's engaging in political activity if the funds used were solicited freely given for that purpose).

That's nice Dark, but a Union isn't a country club, it exists primarily to help the people who make it up get a fair shake together at work.

If you take away a union's right to collectively bargain on many issues (and tie the ones that it still can bargain together on to the inflation rate so that they can't rise above it...) well Dark what would you get out of being a member of that Union?

280 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:11:04pm

re: #279 jamesfirecat

Don't bother with asking, he cares only about the power of the Republican Party. After the actions of the party over the past few weeks, I have become increasingly bitter and angry at the party, and their supporters.

281 Amory Blaine  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:11:18pm

re: #278 ProLifeLiberal

Who's that?

He was running for Walkers old spot as county executive.

282 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:12:38pm

re: #281 Amory Blaine

Oh, good then.

283 jaunte  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:12:45pm

Big voter turnout in Wisconsin/Dane county:

Voters have packed the polls throughout Dane County, with turnout that could reach 70 percent in Madison, said city clerk Maribeth Witzel-Behl.

By 4 p.m. Tuesday, turnout numbers in Madison and the rest of the county already exceeded typical spring turnout of 20 percent to 25 percent. In the city, 35 percent of voters had cast ballots. In the rest of the county, 31 percent had voted.

Typically, the 4 p.m. turnout doubles by day's end, Witzel-Behl said. If that pattern holds, Madison will see 70 percent turnout. Karen Peters, deputy clerk for Dane County, said she expected about 45 percent turnout in the county.[Link: host.madison.com...]

284 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:14:07pm

re: #283 jaunte

Prosser holds a narrow 2,200 vote lead according to TPM. I'm curious to see a map of precincts with returns. Would give us idea what to expect.

285 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:17:19pm

re: #280 ProLifeLiberal

Don't bother with asking, he cares only about the power of the Republican Party. After the actions of the party over the past few weeks, I have become increasingly bitter and angry at the party, and their supporters.

And with the latest installment of "Harry and Chuck's Budget Follies" I've gotten increasingly pissed at the Democrats. So we're even.

286 recusancy  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:19:23pm

re: #283 jaunte

Big voter turnout in Wisconsin/Dane county:

[Link: hosted.ap.org...]

287 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:19:38pm

re: #285 Dark_Falcon

And with the latest installment of "Harry and Chuck's Budget Follies" I've gotten increasingly pissed at the Democrats. So we're even.

Dark could you honestly answer that question for me.

If you were to join a union, what would you want that union to do for you?

288 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:32:54pm

re: #285 Dark_Falcon

And with the latest installment of "Harry and Chuck's Budget Follies" I've gotten increasingly pissed at the Democrats. So we're even.

What budget follies? Seems like a ridiculous talking point. The Republicans are more interested in attacking Planned Parenthood, AARP and PBS than they are in actually balancing the budget. The only person you should be pissed at is yourself for supporting such ignorant fools.

289 Buck  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:37:10pm

re: #269 jamesfirecat

Can you answer me this then... if a union can't bargain collectively, what is the advantage of being part of it?

You already know this, two million federal employees (excluding postal workers and uniformed military), just like the teachers in WI cannot bargain for wages. Washington, D.C. is, in the purest sense, a "right to work zone." These Federal employees are not compelled to join a union, nor to pay union dues.

And they haven't since Jimmy Carter took those "rights" away. And yet the unions survive just fine.

290 webevintage  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:40:16pm

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

David Frum on Paul Ryan:

I bolded the last paragraph of that excerpt because I feel its important. Paul Ryan is a serious policy thinker, he's not a mindless DERPer. Regardless of whether you like his budget proposal, we should all wish for leaders like him to prevail internally within the GOP.

I don't care how much of a "serious" thinker the guys like Frum or Broder or Sullivan think Ryan is...unless he asks for the rich to "sacrifice" as much as the rest of us he is full of just more Republican BS.

291 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:18:37pm

re: #274 Dark_Falcon

It can serve a social organization, and may organize politically (I've got no problem with union's engaging in political activity if the funds used were solicited freely given for that purpose).

That's not a union.

292 S'latch  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 5:28:44am

Donald Trump is a self-promoting clown who doesn’t have a chance of being elected president.

Although Donald Trump has a small chance of winning the GOP’s presidential nomination, I am confident that some other self-promoting clown will defeat him in the primary.


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