American Family Association Spokesman Fischer: Black People ‘Rut Like Rabbits’

Blatant racism from the religious right
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The latest rant from the craziest religious right spokesman in America, Bryan Fischer, plunges into outright racism; Fischer says welfare has destroyed the African American family by causing them to “rut like rabbits.”

Welfare has destroyed the African-American family by telling young black women that husbands and fathers are unnecessary and obsolete. Welfare has subsidized illegitimacy by offering financial rewards to women who have more children out of wedlock. We have incentivized fornication rather than marriage, and it’s no wonder we are now awash in the disastrous social consequences of people who rut like rabbits.

So far, GOP presidential hopefuls Michele Bachmann, Mike Huckabee, Tim Pawlenty, Haley Barbour, and Newt Gingrich have all appeared on Fischer’s webcast.

(h/t: Kragar.)

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239 comments
1 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:18:51pm

Not quite as offensive as Mr. "If you feed stray animals they'll breed" but still I give it 4 dicks out of 5.

2 Kragar  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:19:00pm

As disgusting a statement as this is, the comments defending him or saying "He has a point" will be worse.

3 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:19:55pm

I repeat my contention that this a blast of the dog whistle masquerading as policy commentary. This moron provides no insight nor any good idea. All he does in spew hate.

4 b_sharp  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:19:55pm

There is no longer any chance of denormalizing racism, in fact the opposite is happening, it is being normalized by the radical right.

5 JAFO  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:20:08pm

I rut like a pig myself.

6 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:20:55pm

re: #5 mracb

I rut like a pig myself.

I masticate like a dog all the time.

7 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:21:38pm

I spawn like a fish.

In the local water supply.

8 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:21:47pm

Go rut yourself Fischer.

9 elizajane  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:21:50pm

And they don't see a tiny little contradiction between this and the "Planned Parenthood Genocide" claim?

10 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:21:57pm

Just found this: For those of you living in Wisconsin, what does it mean?

[Link: hosted.ap.org...]

11 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:22:07pm

Watership Down.

12 Virginia Plain  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:22:08pm

re: #5 mracb

I rut like a pig myself.

In bed...

13 Stanghazi  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:22:25pm

Stop it. Now.

This is crazy.

14 recusancy  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:22:50pm

re: #10 ProLifeLiberal

Just found this: For those of you living in Wisconsin, what does it mean?

[Link: hosted.ap.org...]

What do you mean what does it mean? It's the breakdown county by county of returns.

15 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:22:51pm

re: #9 elizajane

And they don't see a tiny little contradiction between this and the "Planned Parenthood Genocide" claim?

On Planet Wingnut, there are no contradictions.

16 freetoken  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:22:54pm

I refuse to be surprised by any of this anymore.

It's clear that the pot-of-ugly that has been stewing on stove of the reactionary and religious "right" in this country for some time now is boiling over, and isn't being contained by the social arrangements of proper behavior (in this case language) that operated in public society in the latter part of the 20th century.

17 The Yankee  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:23:53pm

Things are like this with more then 20 months till the next national election. How can things get more extreme then they are right now.

18 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:24:17pm

re: #14 recusancy

I know the county by county breakdown part. I was wondering if someone could glean enough info from their knowledge of the state to give an idea as to what could happen.

19 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:24:34pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

Watership Down.

Fischer's argument is hraka, is what it is....

20 recusancy  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:24:58pm

re: #18 ProLifeLiberal

I know the county by county breakdown part. I was wondering if someone could glean enough info from their knowledge of the state to give an idea as to what could happen.

Ah. Follow the front page on dkos. They are giving a good run down: [Link: www.dailykos.com...]

21 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:25:02pm

re: #15 Charles

On Planet Wingnut, there are no contradictions.

Clearly you don't have enough practice at doublethink citizen!

22 jaunte  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:25:27pm

Fischer seems to be concerned about welfare 'destroying' the families of just one ethnicity. Oddly enough!


The CalFresh Program is a Federally funded program that helps low-income people buy the food they need for good health. For most households, CalFresh benefits are only part of their food budget, and they must spend some of their own cash along with their CalFresh benefits in order to buy enough food for a month.

Ethnicity of head of household:
White 24%
Black 21%
Hispanic 15%
Mixed Race 11%
Other 29%

Ethnicity of the CalFresh recipients:
Hispanic 21%
Mixed Race 20%
White 17%
Black
Other 31%
[Link: www.dss.cahwnet.gov...]

23 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:25:36pm

re: #17 The Yankee

Talking to some French Exchange Students here, the Republicans could go Front Nationale. One person outright said the Tea Party was a near perfect analogue.

24 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:25:41pm

re: #16 freetoken

I refuse to be surprised by any of this anymore.

It's clear that the pot-of-ugly that has been stewing on stove of the reactionary and religious "right" in this country for some time now is boiling over, and isn't being contained by the social arrangements of proper behavior (in this case language) that operated in public society in the latter part of the 20th century.

i expect it to get worse -

e.g., anti hispanic bigotry is still constrained by the necessity to express itself as "concern about illegal immigration" and "english as the official language"

25 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:26:48pm

May as well bring this comment over here.

Actually unless he wants to talk about the War on young black men Drugs, he still wouldn't have had a defensible argument. If you have approximately 1/3 of any groups male population in the correctional/prison industrial complex in some sort of way at some point in their lives, that's going to lead to an awful lot of that groups women having a hard time finding husbands even if they want one. But nobody wants to discuss that. It's a lot easier to compare them to animals and leave out the fact how many of them are literally in cages.

26 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:27:50pm

re: #24 engineer dog

i expect it to get worse -

e.g., anti hispanic bigotry is still constrained by the necessity to express itself as "concern about illegal immigration" and "english as the official language"

Soon it will be "they bring down property values".

27 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:28:42pm

I had to log back in because of this. What a filthy, disgusting piece of racist trash this man is. *spit*

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

I repeat my contention that this a blast of the dog whistle masquerading as policy commentary. This moron provides no insight nor any good idea. All he does in spew hate.

What dog whistle? Shit, he doesn't even have enough shame to hide his face under a white sheet.

Going back out now. Later.

28 freetoken  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:29:26pm

re: #24 engineer dog

i expect it to get worse -

Me too.

29 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:29:46pm

re: #10 ProLifeLiberal

Just found this: For those of you living in Wisconsin, what does it mean?

[Link: hosted.ap.org...]

It means she's caught up:

2,092 of 3,630 wards reporting

David Prosser* 443,961 50%
JoAnne Kloppenburg 447,930 50%

30 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:30:09pm

re: #27 CuriousLurker

I had to log back in because of this. What a filthy, disgusting piece of racist trash this man is. *spit*

What dog whistle? Shit, he doesn't even have enough shame to hide his face under a white sheet.

Going back out now. Later.

Yeah, it's more of an air raid siren than a dog whistle.

31 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:30:48pm

re: #27 CuriousLurker

I had to log back in because of this. What a filthy, disgusting piece of racist trash this man is. *spit*

What dog whistle? Shit, he doesn't even have enough shame to hide his face under a white sheet.

Going back out now. Later.

Good line. It's not overt enough to be considered "open racism" in my eyes. It is racist though, that much is very clear.

32 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:33:14pm

re: #29 RogueOne

It means she's caught up:

2,092 of 3,630 wards reporting

David Prosser* 443,961 50%
JoAnne Kloppenburg 447,930 50%

Current results (68% reporting):

Prosser: 528,480

Kloppenburg: 527,535

33 The Yankee  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:33:20pm

The only thing that needs to happen is to make this Fischer guy famous and show pictures of these candidates shaking on the same stage as him

34 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:33:25pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Good line. It's not overt enough to be considered "open racism" in my eyes. It is racist though, that much is very clear.

Oh, please. "Rut like rabbits" is absolutely classic racism. As blatant and in your face as it could possibly get.

He's saying that African Americans are out of control, sex-crazed animals.

It doesn't get any more racist than that.

35 Stanghazi  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:33:34pm

re: #25 moderatelyradicalliberal

May as well bring this comment over here.

Actually unless he wants to talk about the War on young black men Drugs, he still wouldn't have had a defensible argument. If you have approximately 1/3 of any groups male population in the correctional/prison industrial complex in some sort of way at some point in their lives, that's going to lead to an awful lot of that groups women having a hard time finding husbands even if they want one. But nobody wants to discuss that. It's a lot easier to compare them to animals and leave out the fact how many of them are literally in cages.

36 jaunte  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:34:18pm

Colbert: Republican presidential field so far
"looks like the turnout for a Craig's List ad for a free couch."

37 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:34:58pm

re: #32 Dark_Falcon

Current results (68% reporting):

Prosser: 528,480

Kloppenburg: 527,535

Based on the breakdown of counties reporting, things look somewhat grim for Kloppenburg.

38 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:35:34pm

re: #32 Dark_Falcon

Current results (68% reporting):

Prosser: 528,480

Kloppenburg: 527,535

back and forth. Looking at the AP list of precincts left she's probably going to take.

39 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:35:50pm

re: #37 Simply Sarah

Based on the breakdown of counties reporting, things look somewhat grim for Kloppenburg.

HA. I said the opposite.

40 The Yankee  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:35:54pm
Remember the percentage in is precincts, not votes. And the two percentages don't necessarily go in tandem. Some precincts are much bigger than others.

--Josh Marshall

41 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:35:56pm

re: #37 Simply Sarah

Based on the breakdown of counties reporting, things look somewhat grim for Kloppenburg.

I think she may lose narrowly.

42 b_sharp  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:36:04pm

How long before we hear 'but it's true isn't it, so it can't be racist'?

43 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:36:20pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Good line. It's not overt enough to be considered "open racism" in my eyes. It is racist though, that much is very clear.

Christ what constitutes "open racism" in your book, an actual lynching?

44 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:36:35pm

Rogue, Sarah, and MRL, where do you all live state-wise?

45 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:36:41pm

Prosser vs. Kloppenburg

all those consonants give me a headache

46 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:37:16pm

re: #42 b_sharp

How long before we hear 'but it's true isn't it, so it can't be racist'?

It's not racist if nobody says the "n-word".

//

47 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:37:21pm

re: #34 Charles

Oh, please. "Rut like rabbits" is absolutely classic racism. As blatant and in your face as it could possibly get.

He's saying that African Americans are out of control, sex-crazed animals.

It doesn't get any more racist than that.

I'm not excusing that asshole. He's a racist sleezebag. I was giving my own read on it, that's it. And on the substance of that contention I think we agree: Bryan Fischer was using policy commentary as an excuse to spew racism.

48 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:37:21pm

re: #34 Charles

Oh, please. "Rut like rabbits" is absolutely classic racism. As blatant and in your face as it could possibly get.

He's saying that African Americans are out of control, sex-crazed animals.

It doesn't get any more racist than that.

And of course this plays off the fear of white folk being outnumbered by brown people.

49 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:37:25pm
Youtube Video
50 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:37:40pm

re: #44 ProLifeLiberal

Rogue, Sarah, and MRL, where do you all live state-wise?

Texas.

51 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:37:47pm

re: #44 ProLifeLiberal

Rogue, Sarah, and MRL, where do you all live state-wise?

Oh, I'm in Massachusetts.

52 blueraven  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:37:51pm

re: #37 Simply Sarah

Based on the breakdown of counties reporting, things look somewhat grim for Kloppenburg.

Why? Dane and Milwaukee still have many precincts out and she is way ahead there. She just went ahead


552,053 K
546,662 P

53 Stanghazi  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:38:06pm

re: #35 Stanley Sea

I'm on iPhone. I have great points to make, esp this subject. But damn

54 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:38:11pm

AP says Kloppenburg's (tentative) lead got bigger. To nearly 5,400.

55 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:38:21pm

re: #48 prononymous

And of course this plays off the fear of white folk being outnumbered by brown people.

I thought black women were having too many abortions. I would like for these people to make up their minds already.

56 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:38:56pm

re: #37 Simply Sarah

Based on the breakdown of counties reporting, things look somewhat grim for Kloppenburg.

Still more than a thousand precincts left to report. This will go on a while.

57 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:39:16pm

re: #51 Simply Sarah

And Rogue, what state do you hail from?

58 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:39:24pm

re: #54 ProLifeLiberal

AP says Kloppenburg's (tentative) lead got bigger. To nearly 5,400.

Sweet. I'm going to post the Stallone Over the Top scene again in this thread just because I love it so much:

Youtube Video
59 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:39:36pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

Still more than a thousand precincts left to report. This will go on a while.

Good Lord. It will take all night and then there will probably still be a recount.

60 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:39:45pm

re: #44 ProLifeLiberal

Rogue, Sarah, and MRL, where do you all live state-wise?

Indiana. Just following the variety of updates. I say she's headed for a win because of waukesha. 150 precincts left and the ones they've counted have gone her way by almost 75% to 25%

61 Kragar  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:40:09pm

re: #55 moderatelyradicalliberal

I thought black women were having too many abortions. I would like for these people to make up their minds already.

If they stopped rutting, they wouldn't need as many abortions.

/// (I say it as sarc, but you know someone is actually thinking it.)

62 Amory Blaine  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:41:29pm

Stay classy AFA!!!

63 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:41:32pm

re: #55 moderatelyradicalliberal

I thought black women were having too many abortions. I would like for these people to make up their minds already.

The only thing they have done with their minds is throw them in the garbage.

64 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:42:15pm

re: #60 RogueOne

My nuclear family lives in COS (can't wait to leave that hellhole, the lot of us). Fraternal Grandparents in Central Florida, with my uncle there. Everyone else is in Michigan (Fraternal) or Pennsylvania, mostly around Pittsburgh (Maternal).

65 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:42:32pm

re: #58 goddamnedfrank

Sweet. I'm going to post the Stallone Over the Top scene again in this thread just because I love it so much:

[Video]

"Over the Top" also works for Bryan Fischer: He's gone over the top and he's heading into white hood territory (if he's not there already).

66 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:43:20pm

re: #60 RogueOne

Indiana. Just following the variety of updates. I say she's headed for a win because of waukesha. 150 precincts left and the ones they've counted have gone her way by almost 75% to 25%

Actually, they've gone *against* her almost 75% to 25%.

67 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:44:05pm

Great Zeus's Beard! What a flaming douche bag.

re: #9 elizajane

And they don't see a tiny little contradiction between this and the "Planned Parenthood Genocide" claim?

Speaking of PP...

Congressional cuts would harm thousands

There are thousands of reasons why those who live and raise their families in the Central Valley should be alarmed by the House of Representatives' attempt to strip all funding from Planned Parenthood -- 43,495 reasons, to be exact. That's the number of mostly low-income women, men and teens that visited Planned Parenthood Mar Monte health centers last year in Fresno, Bakersfield and Modesto alone -- and received health care, including breast-cancer screenings, cholesterol checks and family planning services.

In many cases, these working-poor women and their families wouldn't have been able to receive such essential services anywhere else. Close to two-thirds of patients were below the federal poverty level, and over 55 percent reported having lost jobs, work hours or health insurance over the past year.

68 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:44:07pm

re: #66 Simply Sarah

Actually, they've gone *against* her almost 75% to 25%.

you're right, I had it backwards. she's screwed.//

69 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:45:13pm

re: #52 blueraven

Why? Dane and Milwaukee still have many precincts out and she is way ahead there. She just went ahead

552,053 K
546,662 P

Well, I'm obviously largely talking without ground to stand on. Mostly, I'm applying trends I've seen in many other random elections to this, which is probably a very unwise idea.

70 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:45:18pm

re: #66 Simply Sarah

They're waiting to find out how many votes they need before they start counting.

71 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:45:19pm

re: #68 RogueOne

Aw, crap.

72 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:45:28pm

re: #61 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If they stopped rutting, they wouldn't need as many abortions.

/// (I say it as sarc, but you know someone is actually thinking it.)

I know it sarc. ;)

But you know, I'm 30 and have no children. Not because of abortion either, I've just never been pregnant. Am I not doing enough rutting? Or just not rutting properly? I need to find me some young buck, get pregnant, not get married, and have an abortion so that I can live up to all of the stereotypes and then as a punishment be put in jail for aborting a black baby.

//

73 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:46:46pm

re: #68 RogueOne

you're right, I had it backwards. she's screwed.//

Damn.

74 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:48:12pm

re: #53 Stanley Sea

I'm on iPhone. I have great points to make, esp this subject. But damn

I gave you a ding for encouragement.

75 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:48:33pm

re: #68 RogueOne

you're right, I had it backwards. she's screwed.//

As 50 more precincts from the county report in and add about 5 votes total. Yeah, I have *no* idea where things are going to go here.

76 Lidane  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:48:41pm

But wait...didn't Rick Santorum just say that breeding would solve all our problems?

///

77 blueraven  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:48:57pm

re: #68 RogueOne

you're right, I had it backwards. she's screwed.//

And in Dane county the reverse is true

Dane 190/248 reporting
P 27% 41,835
K 73% 115,688

78 b_sharp  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:49:09pm

re: #72 moderatelyradicalliberal

I know it sarc. ;)

But you know, I'm 30 and have no children. Not because of abortion either, I've just never been pregnant. Am I not doing enough rutting? Or just not rutting properly? I need to find me some young buck, get pregnant, not get married, and have an abortion so that I can live up to all of the stereotypes and then as a punishment be put in jail for aborting a black baby.

//

You're in a real pickle aren't you?

79 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:49:30pm

re: #75 Simply Sarah

As 50 more precincts from the county report in and add about 5 votes total. Yeah, I have *no* idea where things are going to go here.

A recount.

80 Lidane  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:50:05pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

"Over the Top" also works for Bryan Fischer: He's gone over the top and he's heading into white hood territory (if he's not there already).

He's been in white hood territory for ages now. He's just going after African Americans instead of Muslims now.

81 Kragar  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:50:27pm

re: #76 Lidane

But wait...didn't Rick Santorum just say that breeding would solve all our problems?

///

Obviously you need to make sure the right people are doing the breeding.
/

82 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:50:30pm

re: #79 moderatelyradicalliberal

A recount.

Nah. Too soon to say that. Vote margins have been fluctuating enough that either of them could finish the night with a pretty unassailable lead.

83 Gus  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:50:43pm

Archie Bunker lives.

American "All In the" Family Association

84 avanti  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:50:49pm

re: #20 recusancy

Ah. Follow the front page on dkos. They are giving a good run down: [Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Hot Air is hyperventilating over the possibility of the court losing a conservative in what was a safe seat.

85 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:51:21pm

!!!!
583,113 K
575,930 P

86 Lidane  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:51:26pm

re: #83 Gus 802

Archie Bunker lives.

American "All In the" Family Association

That's an insult to Archie Bunker. At least Archie was entertaining in his bigotry, and he was teachable.

87 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:51:28pm

re: #77 blueraven

And in Dane county the reverse is true

Dane 190/248 reporting
P 27% 41,835
K 73% 115,688

They just jumped up the number in Waukesha to 119/198 without changing any of the vote totals. That lessens the advantage quite a bit.

88 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:51:56pm

re: #84 avanti

Hot Air is hyperventilating over the possibility of the court losing a conservative in what was a safe seat.

Apparently not quite as safe as they may have thought.

89 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:52:19pm

re: #84 avanti

Hot Air is hyperventilating over the possibility of the court losing a conservative in what was a safe seat.

It's a nail biter, both sides are nervous. How are they responding to the loss of Walkers old office to the Democrat?

90 avanti  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:52:19pm

Supreme Court REPORTING 81%
Joanne Kloppenburg 609,621
51%
David Prosser (inc) 591,880
49%

91 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:52:24pm

re: #85 prairiefire

!!!
583,113 K
575,930 P

815 precincts left to count

92 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:52:33pm

re: #83 Gus 802

Archie Bunker lives.

American "All In the" Family Association

Not so much. Archie Bunker wasn't a hater like Fischer. He'd likely recoil in horror at hearing Fischer. People who aren't ugly haters normally do that when the haters hate.

93 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:52:54pm

re: #83 Gus 802

It's gotten to the point that whenever I see an org. with "Family", "Freedom", or "America(n)" in their name I immediately consider them suspect.

94 Lidane  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:53:14pm

re: #93 Slumbering Behemoth

It's gotten to the point that whenever I see an org. with "Family", "Freedom", or "America(n)" in their name I immediately consider them suspect.

I've been saying that for about 20 years now. Heh.

95 b_sharp  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:53:17pm

G'night.

96 Gus  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:53:19pm

Oh brother. It's common to call bigots "Archie Bunker".

97 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:53:22pm

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

Not so much. Archie Bunker wasn't a hater like Fischer. He'd likely recoil in horror at hearing Fischer. People who aren't ugly haters normally do that when the haters hate.

SAmmy Davis kissing Archie Bunker was the longest live studio audience laugh recorded.

98 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:53:37pm

re: #90 avanti

Supreme Court REPORTING 81%
Joanne Kloppenburg 609,621
51%
David Prosser (inc) 591,880
49%

Damn that's close. I still think a recount will happen.

99 thecommodore  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:53:39pm

I think this video is a proper source of catharsis when it comes to Mr. Fischer and his hateful idiocy:

Youtube Video
100 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:54:18pm

re: #93 Slumbering Behemoth

It's gotten to the point that whenever I see an org. with "Family", "Freedom", or "America(n)" in their name I immediately consider them suspect.

It's sort of like how every dictator is the head of the Liberation Freedom Democracy party or something.

101 avanti  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:54:23pm

re: #89 moderatelyradicalliberal

It's a nail biter, both sides are nervous. How are they responding to the loss of Walkers old office to the Democrat?

It a Commie plot. You see, the big cities counts come in later, not because there are more votes to count, it's so they know how many ballot boxes to stuff./

102 thecommodore  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:54:25pm

re: #98 moderatelyradicalliberal

Go Kloppenburg!

103 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:54:30pm

re: #98 moderatelyradicalliberal

Damn that's close. I still think a recount will happen.

20k votes up, it's over. Night folks.

104 TedStriker  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:54:43pm

re: #83 Gus 802

Archie Bunker lives.

American "All In the" Family Association

Archie Bunker, as irascible and bigoted as the character was, at least had some good qualities, IMO.

Bryan Fischer and his ilk have absolutely none.

105 webevintage  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:55:15pm

re: #84 avanti

Hot Air is hyperventilating over the possibility of the court losing a conservative in what was a safe seat.

It is all a union thug commie plot.....
/

106 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:55:48pm

Yes!!!

107 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:56:03pm

re: #104 talon_262

Archie Bunker, as irascible and bigoted as the character was, at least had some good qualities, IMO.

Bryan Fischer and his ilk have absolutely none.

I think most of Archie's more positive qualities only appeared later on, when the writers and producers discovered that the awful bigot character they created that no one was supposed to like or relate with was actually pretty popular with a lot of America.

108 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:56:58pm

YEAH!!! DKos says Klop is up 18k.

109 TedStriker  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:57:15pm

re: #107 Simply Sarah

I think most of Archie's more positive qualities only appeared later on, when the writers and producers discovered that the awful bigot character they created that no one was supposed to like or relate with was actually pretty popular with a lot of America.

Norman Lear was no dummy...

110 avanti  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:57:37pm

Supreme Court REPORTING 82%
Joanne Kloppenburg 614,306
51%
David Prosser (inc) 595,474
49%

111 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:57:49pm

re: #107 Simply Sarah

I think most of Archie's more positive qualities only appeared later on, when the writers and producers discovered that the awful bigot character they created that no one was supposed to like or relate with was actually pretty popular with a lot of America.

LOL! AB did give us the Jeffersons so I say all is forgiven.

112 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 8:59:45pm

Brian Fisher looks like the hill people from Star Trek:

Youtube Video

/quality acting

113 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:01:21pm

re: #110 avanti

Supreme Court REPORTING 82%
Joanne Kloppenburg 614,306
51%
David Prosser (inc) 595,474
49%

I fell like I'm rooting for a filly at a horse race. Come on baby! Come on girl! You can do it! Come on!

114 The Yankee  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:01:36pm

With a population of 5,700,000 more then 1.5 million people voting on a supreme court seat. Is that impressive?

115 recusancy  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:02:22pm

Up 35k now!

116 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:02:23pm

re: #113 moderatelyradicalliberal

I fell like I'm rooting for a filly at a horse race. Come on baby! Come on girl! You can do it! Come on!

Well, i hope the filly falters in the home stretch.

117 blueraven  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:02:29pm

whoa

605,734 P
49%
640,660 K
51%

118 recusancy  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:02:56pm

re: #114 The Yankee

With a population of 5,700,000 more then 1.5 million people voting on a supreme court seat. Is that impressive?

Yes.

119 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:03:15pm

re: #114 The Yankee

With a population of 5,700,000 more then 1.5 million people voting on a supreme court seat. Is that impressive?

I don't know turnout statewide but we had 70% of eligible voters turn out in Madison & 60% countywide.

For a spring election we usually get 15 -20% turnout.

120 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:03:27pm

re: #117 blueraven

whoa

605,734 P
49%
640,660 K
51%

Fantastic!
This will give momentum to the recalls.

121 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:03:35pm

re: #119 wlewisiii

I don't know turnout statewide but we had 70% of eligible voters turn out in Madison & 60% countywide.

For a spring election we usually get 15 -20% turnout.

Which is pretty sad, but expected.

122 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:03:53pm

re: #115 recusancy

Up 35k now!

What percent is in?

123 recusancy  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:04:38pm

re: #122 moderatelyradicalliberal

What percent is in?

3053/3630

124 elizajane  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:04:48pm

re: #122 moderatelyradicalliberal

What percent is in?

85% now and she's up by 24,000

125 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:04:50pm

re: #116 Dark_Falcon

Well, i hope the filly falters in the home stretch.

:p

126 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:04:55pm

re: #122 moderatelyradicalliberal

What percent is in?

Precincts
Total 3053/3630

127 avanti  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:04:55pm

re: #122 moderatelyradicalliberal

Supreme Court REPORTING 85%
Joanne Kloppenburg 648,723
51%
David Prosser (inc) 624,972
49%

128 Achilles Tang  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:05:06pm

re: #116 Dark_Falcon

Well, i hope the filly falters in the home stretch.

Why? Do you know either of them?

129 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:05:31pm

re: #124 elizajane

85% now and she's up by 24,000

Thanks. I'm trying not to get too excited, but things look good.

130 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:06:15pm

re: #116 Dark_Falcon

Well, i hope the filly falters in the home stretch.

Yes, let's support the guy who brazenly ignores court restraining orders with a Supreme Court Justice.

131 recusancy  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:07:00pm

re: #130 goddamnedfrank

Yes, let's support the guy who brazenly ignores court restraining orders with a Supreme Court Justice.

It's all about team with Dark. That's why it has to get worse before it gets better. It seems there's nothing the GOP can do to turn off some voters.

132 Lidane  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:07:10pm

re: #111 moderatelyradicalliberal

LOL! AB did give us the Jeffersons so I say all is forgiven.

Dammit. You had to mention The Jeffersons. Now I have the theme song in my head.

133 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:07:32pm

re: #113 moderatelyradicalliberal

I fell like I'm rooting for a filly at a horse race. Come on baby! Come on girl! You can do it! Come on!

they have a great commercial promoting betting on horse races here in the bay area

GoBabyGo!

GoBabyGo!

GoBabyGoBabyGoBabyGoBabyGo!!!!

134 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:07:39pm

re: #127 avanti

Supreme Court REPORTING 85%
Joanne Kloppenburg 648,723
51%
David Prosser (inc) 624,972
49%

You know I want her to win if no other reason then to teach that Prosser prick a lesson about calling his female colleagues bitches. The proxy referendum on Walker is secondary for me.

135 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:07:51pm

re: #129 moderatelyradicalliberal

I think it is actually 34,500 now, with 84% reporting.

136 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:07:54pm

re: #132 Lidane

Dammit. You had to mention The Jeffersons. Now I have the theme song in my head.

Oh, good. I was worried it was just me.

137 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:07:57pm

re: #129 moderatelyradicalliberal

Thanks. I'm trying not to get too excited, but things look good.

The key is if the vote in Dane & Milwaukee counties can overcome Waukesha county (+50k for Prosser last I saw).

138 recusancy  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:08:31pm

re: #137 wlewisiii

The key is if the vote in Dane & Milwaukee counties can overcome Waukesha county (+50k for Prosser last I saw).

What about Fon Du Lac?

139 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:08:59pm

re: #133 engineer dog

they have a great commercial promoting betting on horse races here in the bay area

GoBabyGo!

GoBabyGo!

GoBabyGoBabyGoBabyGoBabyGo!!!

Better than DrillBabyDrill!

140 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:09:09pm

re: #138 recusancy

What about Fon Du Lac?

No results in yet.

141 The Yankee  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:09:22pm

re: #134 moderatelyradicalliberal

You know I want her to win if no other reason then to teach that Prosser prick a lesson about calling his female colleagues bitches. The proxy referendum on Walker is secondary for me.

You know almost loosing something you should of won easily should teach people a lesson too. That was one of the things I didn't like about Bush he almost lost his first election but acted like he won in a landslide.

142 simoom  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:09:34pm

A big swing back:

Supreme Court REPORTING 88%
Joanne Kloppenburg 655,325 50%
David Prosser (inc) 650,059 50%
143 avanti  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:09:35pm

Hot Air comment:

"Are the people of Wis. complete idiots?

They vote in Walker to change things and get the state solvent and now it looks like they are voting in a commie to undo it all.

Honest to God…WTHIWWT IDIOTS?"

Of course it does not occur to them that when the voters picked the GOP, they didn't mention they'd bust the unions until after the election.

144 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:09:41pm

I'm gonna sign off. I prefer to watch election returns with people whom I agree with politically. Nothing personal, and I'll be back tomorrow.

145 recusancy  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:09:56pm

re: #141 The Yankee

You know almost loosing something you should of won easily should teach people a lesson too. That was one of the things I didn't like about Bush he almost lost his first election but acted like he won in a landslide.

He did lose his first election. The supreme court thought differently.

146 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:10:05pm

re: #138 recusancy

What about Fon Du Lac?

Rabidly right wing but not terribly populous. Eau Claire county probably has balanced them (over 60% for K.)

147 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:10:27pm

re: #138 recusancy

What about Fon Du Lac?

That's what I'm worried about.

148 SpaceJesus  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:10:56pm

awesome news on the supreme court election.

en garde, robber barons

149 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:11:11pm

re: #142 simoom

Fond du Lac seems to be part of the cause.

150 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:11:13pm

re: #140 Simply Sarah

No results in yet.

OK, now all results from there are in. Stupid reporting votes and all.

151 avanti  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:11:20pm

re: #147 moderatelyradicalliberal

Getting tight again:

Supreme Court REPORTING 88%
Joanne Kloppenburg 655,325
50%
David Prosser (inc) 650,059
50%

152 Lidane  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:11:43pm

On second thought, reading the comments at Hot Air while humming the theme song to The Jeffersons? Hilarious. It's making all their whining that much funnier.

153 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:11:44pm

re: #148 SpaceJesus

awesome news on the supreme court election.

en garde, robber barons

Not yet. Still too many wards out to say that. I won't be happy till she's sworn in.

154 recusancy  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:11:51pm

Sweet Fon Du lac is in and she's still up 659,76 to 663,005

155 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:12:01pm

re: #151 avanti

Getting tight again:

Supreme Court REPORTING 88%
Joanne Kloppenburg 655,325
50%
David Prosser (inc) 650,059
50%

Is that with Font du Lac?

156 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:12:39pm

re: #151 avanti

It's actually closer. AP has K having 663 k, and Prosser having just under 660 k.

157 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:12:54pm

Although, as has been mentioned, number of precincts isn't always very helpful for judging, unless you know which ones those are and how many people are in each, along with expected turnout.

158 simoom  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:13:00pm

nailbiter:

Supreme Court REPORTING 90%
Joanne Kloppenburg 670,661 50%
David Prosser (inc) 668,985 50%
159 avanti  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:13:10pm

Closer still

Supreme Court REPORTING 90%
Joanne Kloppenburg 670,661
50%
David Prosser (inc) 668,985
50%

160 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:13:35pm

re: #156 ProLifeLiberal

It's actually closer. AP has K having 663 k, and Prosser having just under 660 k.

She could win by literally 50+1 and I would be happy.

161 Lidane  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:13:45pm

Wow. I can't imagine the tension in either campaign office right now.

162 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:14:02pm

re: #160 moderatelyradicalliberal

She could win by literally 50+1 and I would be happy.

OK, *that* would cause a recount. :P

163 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:14:07pm

By the way -- sometime in the next couple of days, we're going to go over the 9 million comment mark at LGF.

164 recusancy  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:15:00pm

Still some Dane and Milwaukee left to counteract any of the rural areas yet to come in.

165 elizajane  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:15:01pm

re: #163 Charles

By the way -- sometime in the next couple of days, we're going to go over the 9 million comment mark at LGF.

Will there be a prize?

166 Amory Blaine  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:15:01pm

re: #163 Charles

By the way -- sometime in the next couple of days, we're going to go over the 9 million comment mark at LGF.

The lucky person should win a recipe book.

;P

167 simoom  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:17:11pm
Supreme Court REPORTING 90%
Joanne Kloppenburg 677,141 50%
David Prosser (inc) 673,670 50%
168 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:17:28pm

re: #163 Charles

By the way -- sometime in the next couple of days, we're going to go over the 9 million comment mark at LGF.

Next couple of days? Assuming the ID in the comment URL is the post number, it seems like it might be closer to a couple of hours. Of course, if those numbers don't exactly match, then I've got nothing.

169 recusancy  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:17:30pm

It all hinges on Waupaca. Whether they have enough population to make up the difference. There's still some Dane and Milwaukee left too.

170 avanti  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:17:41pm

re: #163 Charles

By the way -- sometime in the next couple of days, we're going to go over the 9 million comment mark at LGF.

Faked figure, wait for it./

171 Amory Blaine  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:18:56pm

re: #169 recusancy

It all hinges on Waupaca. Whether they have enough population to make up the difference. There's still some Dane and Milwaukee left too.

Brother can you spare a precinct?

172 The Yankee  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:20:10pm
12:15 PM: All of Fond du Lac in and Prosser still behind, seemingly a bad sign for him. The margin though remains razor thin -- Kloppenburg up by about 4k votes, with 90% of precincts reporting.

--Josh Marshall

So I guess that is a good thing if you are rooting for the lady.

173 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:20:50pm

re: #148 SpaceJesus

It'll go down to a re-count, it's that close!

174 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:21:36pm

re: #169 recusancy

Total Population of county is 52,410. Any calculation for possible turnout?

25% of that is below 18.

175 The Yankee  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:21:58pm

The one thing that will come out of this I have no doubt, is no matter who gets elected they won't be calling the head judge a b**ch

176 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:22:27pm

re: #175 The Yankee

The one thing that will come out of this I have no doubt, is no matter who gets elected they won't be calling the head judge a b**ch

Amen.

177 simoom  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:22:42pm

A bit more from the AP count: Pros - 674,009, Klop - 677,371

178 Achilles Tang  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:22:56pm

I find this fascinating because I am always amazed how millions of people can vote on a simple 1 v 2 issue and the results can be so evenly split.

179 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:23:26pm

re: #174 ProLifeLiberal

Total number of plausible maximum voters is 39,307. What is the area politically?

180 recusancy  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:23:58pm

re: #179 ProLifeLiberal

Total number of plausible maximum voters is 39,307. What is the area politically?

60/40 R probably

181 Amory Blaine  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:25:13pm

still alot out at Waukesha which no doubt will be mostly for Prosser.

182 avanti  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:25:21pm

Supreme Court REPORTING 92%
Joanne Kloppenburg 684,512
50%
David Prosser (inc) 682,935
50%

183 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:25:35pm

re: #177 simoom

A bit more from the AP count: Pros - 674,009, Klop - 677,371

What a nail biter.

184 recusancy  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:26:02pm

Waupaca's in SHe's still up 2k

185 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:26:49pm

Oh, this isn't even new. Same old, same old. Demonize welfare recipients, demonize black sexuality, whine about how women would have to get hitched and stay hitched in an ideal world, whine about the wrong people having babies (we want the RIGHT people to have babies, damnit).

Nothing original here.

186 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:26:57pm

re: #168 Simply Sarah

Next couple of days? Assuming the ID in the comment URL is the post number, it seems like it might be closer to a couple of hours. Of course, if those numbers don't exactly match, then I've got nothing.

Nope, the ID number doesn't exactly correspond to the number of comments, for several technical reasons. It's ahead by several thousand.

That makes it a bit tricky to figure out which comment will actually be #9,000,000.

187 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:27:00pm

re: #180 recusancy

Using that assumption, the total vote difference at max in that situation, assuming 100% turnout, is 7,862.

188 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:27:29pm

re: #186 Charles

Out of curiosity, what are we at right now?

189 The Yankee  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:27:43pm

I thought that Wisconsin was a strong blue mid-western state, with the exception of the last mid-term election. Yet this isn't a blow out.

190 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:28:15pm

re: #188 ProLifeLiberal

It's under "Statistics" in the left sidebar: 8,996,818 as I write.

191 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:28:15pm

re: #186 Charles

Nope, the ID number doesn't exactly correspond to the number of comments, for several technical reasons. It's ahead by several thousand.

That makes it a bit tricky to figure out which comment will actually be #9,000,000.

I suppose that helps avoid 50 people sitting there waiting to hit submit.

192 recusancy  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:28:22pm

re: #189 The Yankee

I thought that Wisconsin was a strong blue mid-western state, with the exception of the last mid-term election. Yet this isn't a blow out.

He was a safe seat. He doesn't have an R or D next to his name.

193 recusancy  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:29:32pm

Fucking Waukesha

194 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:29:47pm

re: #9 elizajane

And they don't see a tiny little contradiction between this and the "Planned Parenthood Genocide" claim?

Black people have babies: it's the liberals' fault.

Black people don't have babies: it's the liberals' fault.

No way out of this, is there? Plus, I'm so sick of all my black friends calling me up, figuring that since I'm a liberal I can tell them whether to have a baby or not...

///God, this is depressing.

195 avanti  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:29:48pm

Lead change

Supreme Court REPORTING 92%
David Prosser (inc) 687,274
50%
Joanne Kloppenburg 686,683
50%

196 Kragar  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:29:54pm

Speaking of scumbags

Pair held in radiation drug scam

Tokyo police arrested two people Tuesday for allegedly selling an unauthorized drug after telling customers it was effective for detoxification, including dealing with contamination from radioactive substances.

One of the suspects was identified as Fumitaka Umewaka, 50, a Kobe-based health food dealer. The police said Umewaka wrote on a promotional website that the drug absorbs radioactive substances and removes them from the human body.

They should be sentenced to community service, as a jumper.

197 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:30:15pm

re: #192 recusancy

The area is rust belt. They are looking for new solutions, and the Tea Party came along. As one can imagine, they jumped at a new idea. Big Mistake, as the Rust Belt is finding out.

Waupaca county had low turnout as compared to other places. Very good.

198 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:30:22pm

re: #194 SanFranciscoZionist

Black people have babies: it's the liberals' fault.

Black people don't have babies: it's the liberals' fault.

No way out of this, is there? Plus, I'm so sick of all my black friends calling me up, figuring that since I'm a liberal I can tell them whether to have a baby or not...

///God, this is depressing.

LOL!

199 jaunte  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:30:29pm

re: #189 The Yankee

Wisconsin's history as an electoral 'battleground' state:
[Link: www.swingstateproject.com...]

200 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:30:38pm

There is a general dislike among the older guard full-blooded fundamentalist for the Catholic Church. It's mainly a theological dislike and distrust, many see allusions to the pope and the church in biblical books like Daniel and Revelations.

During WWI, the board of directors of Jehovah's Witnesses (then know as "The Bible Students") were jailed for sedation for 6 months for publishing magazine articles claiming the pope to be the anti-christ and responsible for the war.

Yes... in the United States of America, leaders of a religious denomination were jailed for exercising their freedom of speech.

Shit happens.

201 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:30:40pm

re: #195 avanti

Lead change

Supreme Court REPORTING 92%
David Prosser (inc) 687,274
50%
Joanne Kloppenburg 686,683
50%

Oh, shit!

202 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:30:51pm

re: #24 engineer dog

i expect it to get worse -

e.g., anti hispanic bigotry is still constrained by the necessity to express itself as "concern about illegal immigration" and "english as the official language"

Among high-profile politicians, sure.

203 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:32:01pm

re: #42 b_sharp

How long before we hear 'but it's true isn't it, so it can't be racist'?

But it's not, so it is.

204 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:32:22pm

OK, I have no idea when this is gonna finish shaking out and I work tomorrow, so I must, sadly, leave you all before we know which name to place the magical checkmark next to.

205 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:33:10pm

re: #201 moderatelyradicalliberal

It's down between Waukesha County and Dane County.

206 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:33:52pm

re: #48 prononymous

And of course this plays off the fear of white folk being outnumbered by brown people.

Maybe this is just the result of having been outnumbered by brown people my whole life, but so the hell what? What's the worst thing that's likely to happen?

207 Kragar  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:34:32pm

re: #206 SanFranciscoZionist

Maybe this is just the result of having been outnumbered by brown people my whole life, but so the hell what? What's the worst thing that's likely to happen?

Dancing.
/

208 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:34:37pm

re: #202 SanFranciscoZionist

Among high-profile politicians, sure.

Among the lowest level bigots it has already devolved into killing.

209 Amory Blaine  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:36:05pm

If the AP numbers are accurate it looks like Prosser is going to win.

210 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:36:30pm

re: #206 SanFranciscoZionist

Maybe this is just the result of having been outnumbered by brown people my whole life, but so the hell what? What's the worst thing that's likely to happen?

Spicy food and loud talking at the movie theater.

//

211 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:36:45pm

re: #207 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Your tutu is cute!
///

212 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:37:02pm

re: #209 Amory Blaine

If the AP numbers are accurate it looks like Prosser is going to win.

Damn. This will take a lot of wind out of the recall efforts.

213 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:38:00pm

re: #55 moderatelyradicalliberal

I thought black women were having too many abortions. I would like for these people to make up their minds already.

Lemme unpack that for you. These people would like for black women to have enough children to make it difficult for them to seek advanced education, but not so many that they visibly starve or anything (since there will be no welfare available).

Then they would like to not actually SEE these children, except occasionally when dropping the black woman off as a favor, since they go to 'neighborhood' schools, in all-black neighborhoods.

Their mother can support them by raising the children of some white woman who spends all her time doing charity work, or passed out on Miltowns.

When the white woman's kids grow up, they will write books about how they saw the black woman as their 'real' mother, although they haven't seen her since they went off to college and have no idea where the hell she is.

I think I may have read that book. Or maybe it was a movie. Who knows?

Anyway, that's what they want.

214 Kruk  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:38:55pm

re: #93 Slumbering Behemoth

It's gotten to the point that whenever I see an org. with "Family", "Freedom", or "America(n)" in their name I immediately consider them suspect.

Patriotism Family values is the last refuge of the scoundrel.

215 Kragar  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:39:26pm

re: #211 Floral Giraffe

Your tutu is cute!
///

Fighting words.

Fetch me my warrior muumuu.

216 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:39:55pm

re: #72 moderatelyradicalliberal

I know it sarc. ;)

But you know, I'm 30 and have no children. Not because of abortion either, I've just never been pregnant. Am I not doing enough rutting? Or just not rutting properly? I need to find me some young buck, get pregnant, not get married, and have an abortion so that I can live up to all of the stereotypes and then as a punishment be put in jail for aborting a black baby.

//

Are you, perhaps, rutting with birth control? I understand that interferes in the whole process.

Christ. I do not believe we're having this conversation in 2011.

217 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:40:16pm

re: #76 Lidane

But wait...didn't Rick Santorum just say that breeding would solve all our problems?

///

He didn't mean black women. He meant OTHER women.

218 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:43:43pm

re: #132 Lidane

Dammit. You had to mention The Jeffersons. Now I have the theme song in my head.

Classic Jefferson's reference begins at 3:20.

219 Kruk  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:44:19pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, this isn't even new. Same old, same old. Demonize welfare recipients, demonize black sexuality, whine about how women would have to get hitched and stay hitched in an ideal world, whine about the wrong people having babies (we want the RIGHTWHITE people to have babies, damnit).

Nothing original here.

Sorry, SFZ, just had to FTFY :)

220 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:46:12pm

re: #207 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dancing.
/

MIXED dancing?

//In the Orthodox Jewish community, that doesn't mean interracial, but men and women together.

221 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:46:36pm

re: #215 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fighting words.

Fetch me my warrior muumuu.

Picture, please?
LOL!

222 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:46:40pm

re: #210 moderatelyradicalliberal

Spicy food and loud talking at the movie theater.

//

I'll take the food. And I hardly ever see movies in the theater these days anyway.

223 lostlakehiker  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:02:53pm

That's really sad that he said that about African-Americans. The breakup of the family is NOT limited to black families, and the price is paid the same by families--or not-families---of all races.

224 abolitionist  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:04:12pm

re: #196 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Speaking of scumbags

Pair held in radiation drug scam

They should be sentenced to community service, as a jumper.

The allegedly false claims are not without some factual basis.
In 2009, James Flowers, et. al. from North Carolina-based Eno Research (www.enoresearch.com), published the findings of a study in which volunteers consumed a suspension of clinoptilolite in water (or a placebo) for up to 30 days. All participants were monitored for clinically significant, deleterious changes in either of the urinary and serum electrolyte panel or the general metabolic panel. The zeolite group experienced a rapid and significant increase in the urinary excretion of one or more heavy metals being monitored for the study, while the placebo group was unchanged.

[Link: www.dovepress.com...]

Some radioactive fission products are of course heavy metals, such as Cesium-137, Strontium-90.

As to whether the "scumbags" were making claims that were somehow false, or merely illegal, I am in no position to judge.

225 Kragar  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:18:49pm

re: #224 abolitionist

The allegedly false claims are not without some factual basis.
In 2009, James Flowers, et. al. from North Carolina-based Eno Research (www.enoresearch.com), published the findings of a study in which volunteers consumed a suspension of clinoptilolite in water (or a placebo) for up to 30 days. All participants were monitored for clinically significant, deleterious changes in either of the urinary and serum electrolyte panel or the general metabolic panel. The zeolite group experienced a rapid and significant increase in the urinary excretion of one or more heavy metals being monitored for the study, while the placebo group was unchanged.

[Link: www.dovepress.com...]

Some radioactive fission products are of course heavy metals, such as Cesium-137, Strontium-90.

As to whether the "scumbags" were making claims that were somehow false, or merely illegal, I am in no position to judge.

Umewaka, who has no license to sell medicine, sold 10 bottles of the unauthorized liquid drug called premium zeolite to three people between Feb. 17 and March 29 for a total of ¥47,500, police said.

Police said they believe the two suspects sold the drug to more than 1,000 people, mainly in disaster-hit areas in northeast Japan.

The value of the sales was estimated at ¥24 million.

Snake oil dealers, plain and simple.

226 abolitionist  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:21:19pm

Keyword seems to be unauthorized.

227 Kragar  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:27:38pm

re: #226 abolitionist

Keyword seems to be unauthorized.

Maybe they should have just sold it at a pet store.

Lee's Premium Disposable Zeolite Cartridge 2 pack

Premium activated carbon removes organic impurities, odors, and discoloration. Zeolite takes care of ammonia build-up. Twice as much Zeolite as the original. Designed to be used with Economy, Original, or Premium Under Gravel Filters.

228 abolitionist  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:40:14pm

Indeed. Would your opinion be different if the guys were selling slightly used charcoal briquettes, ie, activated charcoal, which had been treated with dilute calcium and potassium salts? Would that be unethical? Illegal? Would that be an "unauthorized medicinal" use? Would it merit being forced into community service at Fukushima?

The ion exchange/replacement processes would be similar in either case.

229 Kragar  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:49:19pm

re: #228 abolitionist

Indeed. Would your opinion be different if the guys were selling slightly used charcoal briquettes, ie, activated charcoal, which had been treated with dilute calcium and potassium salts? Would that be unethical? Illegal? Would that be an "unauthorized medicinal" use? Would it merit being forced into community service at Fukushima?

The ion exchange/replacement processes would be similar in either case.

So explain how a 50 year old health food clerk duplicates the medicine a private research company has been working on in clinical studies for several years?

Or does the guy see the study and think he can cash in on it?

Snake oil.

230 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:55:54pm

Way to show your true colors, douchebag.

231 abolitionist  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:59:53pm

Maybe he did some research on the internet, but without benefit of a medical degree or special license?

Snake oil and morphine sales were significant problems in the post-Civil War decades in the US. It's one of the reasons we require medical prescriptions and fulfillment of said prescriptions to be done separately, by distinct persons. But physics is physics.

232 Kragar  Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:04:36pm

re: #231 abolitionist

Maybe he did some research on the internet, but without benefit of a medical degree or special license?

Snake oil and morphine sales were significant problems in the post-Civil War decades in the US. It's one of the reasons we require medical prescriptions and fulfillment of said prescriptions to be done separately, by distinct persons. But physics is physics.

And rather than approach a drug company or the government for a patent for his amazing miracle drug, he decided instead to start selling straight off the internet, deliberately marketing to the people least likely to make a rational decision given the circumstances, at the amazingly low cost of roughly $240.00 per person.

233 theheat  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 3:39:53am

What a douche. What a collection of douches. Each and every braindead GOP puke that sits and soaks up that crap and says nothing to the contrary is equally douchey. That, of course, would be the key GOP hopefuls. All douches, all the time.

OT - been working like a fiend. Picked up another gay client. I only say that because in my business, they're rare as hen's teeth, tend to stand out in a sea of fundies, while another gay (male) client is still living in the epicenter of Heartland Cow Country America and very much in the closet. This one's out and proud, and I like him already.

234 darthstar  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:10:11am

re: #34 Charles

Oh, please. "Rut like rabbits" is absolutely classic racism. As blatant and in your face as it could possibly get.

He's saying that African Americans are out of control, sex-crazed animals.

It doesn't get any more racist than that.

Not just animals...pests. This is by far the ugliest statement I've heard in some time.

235 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:42:12am

Has anyone noticed that the "rut like rabbits" has been removed? LOL I think someone reads Little Green Footballs!!

Original

Welfare has destroyed the African-American family by telling young black women that husbands and fathers are unnecessary and obsolete. Welfare has subsidized illegitimacy by offering financial rewards to women who have more children out of wedlock. We have incentivized fornication rather than marriage, and it’s no wonder we are now awash in the disastrous social consequences of people who rut like rabbits.

Edited (now)

Welfare has destroyed the African-American family by telling young black women that husbands and fathers are unnecessary and obsolete. Welfare has subsidized illegitimacy by offering financial rewards to women who have more children out of wedlock. We have incentivized fornication rather than marriage, and it’s no wonder we are now awash in the disastrous social consequences of those who engage in random and reckless promiscuity, whether they are Caucasian, Hispanic, or African-American.
236 theheat  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:33:02am

re: #235 marjoriemoon

Brilliant catch. That memory hole must be smoking hot around the edges.

237 steve_davis  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:44:42am

re: #6 jamesfirecat

I masticate like a dog all the time.

Be careful. That will cause you to grow hair on your palms and go blind. If you don't believe me, just ask any of our four-legged friends with an acute sense of smell and grainy black-and-white vision.

238 S'latch  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:41:05am

Bryan Fischer should read the Bible. The first commandment he would come across is to go forth, rut like rabbits, and multiply.

239 Henchman 25  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:53:30am

re: #83 Gus 802

Archie Bunker had redeeming qualities. Bryan Fischer does not.


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