Wisconsin Supreme Court Election Too Close to Call
Prosser vs. Kloppenburg
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486 comments
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simoom Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:33:03pm |
I've been following some of the conversation over at swing state project and a number of commentors seem to feel turnout in Milwaukee county really underperformed making things very tough for Kloppenburg.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:34:20pm |
re: #1 simoom
I've been following some of the conversation over at swing state project and a number of commentors seem to feel turnout in Milwaukee county really underperformed making things very tough for Kloppenburg.
Damnit! What does it take?
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Kragar Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:35:51pm |
Willy Wonka: The suspense is terrible... I hope it'll last.
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elizajane Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:36:20pm |
At this point they are 400 votes apart -- four hundred out of nearly 1,400,000 votes cast. It's quite incredible. So unless the final precincts are quite dramatically for one or the other, I'm thinking we're in for a recount.
How is it possible that the American electorate keeps producing these razor-thin margins when you also feel as if the two sides are miles apart?
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avanti Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:36:26pm |
Supreme Court REPORTING 94%
David Prosser (inc) 698,973
50%
Joanne Kloppenburg 692,463
50%
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:37:02pm |
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:37:15pm |
re: #2 moderatelyradicalliberal
Don't know. Prosser's lead is slipping though AP has it at 399.
Prosser: 689,201 50%
Kloppenburg: 688,802 50%
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recusancy Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:37:26pm |
He won. The numbers don't add up to her being able to come back.
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sagehen Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:38:09pm |
so less than 1/10 of 1% difference?
We won't get a result until August.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:38:10pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:39:45pm |
re: #7 ProLifeLiberal
Don't know. Prosser's lead is slipping though AP has it at 399.
Prosser: 689,201 50%
Kloppenburg: 688,802 50%
RECOUNT!
LOL!
You KNOW it'll get called!
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:40:08pm |
re: #11 ProLifeLiberal
Crap, I was reading and hit the post button because of derp attack. Can the above 'comment' be deleted please?
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:40:50pm |
re: #8 recusancy
Well, I think the recall may go well though. This election was very contentious, too put it mildly.
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avanti Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:41:13pm |
Supreme Court REPORTING 95%
David Prosser (inc) 703,414
50%
Joanne Kloppenburg 701,624
50%
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:41:46pm |
AP still has Klop up 51% to 49%.
[Link: hosted.ap.org...]
I hate this. Looks like a recount either way.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:42:13pm |
re: #15 avanti
The difference a moment ago was 7,000. What happened?
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:43:42pm |
re: #17 ProLifeLiberal
The difference a moment ago was 7,000. What happened?
Don't know, but it the win is by less than 14k, it's recount time. Neither will concede.
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avanti Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:44:49pm |
Supreme Court REPORTING 97%
David Prosser (inc) 703,675
50%
Joanne Kloppenburg 701,760
50%
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:45:30pm |
re: #18 moderatelyradicalliberal
Looking at voting, I will make a point of never living in Waukesha County. It's just like Colorado Springs. I hate Colorado Springs with a passion. Once my friends and family leave, I don't care if it is consumed by hell.
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recusancy Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:45:42pm |
re: #16 moderatelyradicalliberal
AP still has Klop up 51% to 49%.
[Link: hosted.ap.org...]
I hate this. Looks like a recount either way.
You might want to hit refresh.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:46:28pm |
re: #22 ProLifeLiberal
Looking at voting, I will make a point of never living in Waukesha County. It's just like Colorado Springs. I hate Colorado Springs with a passion. Once my friends and family leave, I don't care if it is consumed by hell.
That's so Pro Life.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:47:22pm |
re: #22 ProLifeLiberal
Looking at voting, I will make a point of never living in Waukesha County. It's just like Colorado Springs. I hate Colorado Springs with a passion. Once my friends and family leave, I don't care if it is consumed by hell.
I'm pretty sure there are at least five righteous people in Colorado Springs.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:47:44pm |
re: #24 simoom
Down to a recount and absentee ballots I guess?
Yeah, but when was the last time the losing candidate ever won a recount?
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Robert O. Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:48:02pm |
FFS, what does it take to bring out all the disenfranchised in Milwaukee? For the record, I just looked at the numbers. The Republicnut has won. He has all those votes still to count in Waukesha. When will the middle and lower income start fighting back against these insane GOP policies?
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:48:12pm |
re: #22 ProLifeLiberal
Looking at voting, I will make a point of never living in Waukesha County. It's just like Colorado Springs. I hate Colorado Springs with a passion. Once my friends and family leave, I don't care if it is consumed by hell.
That would be a bit of a downer...
Beautiful scenery there.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:48:24pm |
re: #26 EmmmieG
Why five? There might be more!
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sagehen Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:48:29pm |
re: #26 EmmmieG
I'm pretty sure there are at least five righteous people in Colorado Springs.
Can you name them?
If not... then don't be so sure.
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recusancy Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:48:46pm |
Well She may still have a chance. Waukesha is all in.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:48:51pm |
re: #25 Walter L. Newton
I guess you weren't here when that became an artifact.
I was treated very badly by people there for being a Liberal. That experience made me extremely harsh towards Republicans in general. For 3 years of High School, I went through a lonely hell. Things got better in my senior year, but I'm still more stunted then others, even accounting for AS.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:49:02pm |
re: #27 moderatelyradicalliberal
Yeah, but when was the last time the losing candidate ever won a recount?
Wasn't Al Franken down?
I think that the current governor of Washington was initially reported beind.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:49:21pm |
re: #28 Robert O.
FFS, what does it take to bring out all the disenfranchised in Milwaukee? For the record, I just looked at the numbers. The Republicnut has won. He has all those votes still to count in Waukesha. When will the middle and lower income start fighting back against these insane GOP policies?
Well this is also a non partisan election. Nobody had an R or D after their name. But, yeah I feel you.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:50:20pm |
re: #33 ProLifeLiberal
I guess you weren't here when that became an artifact.
I was treated very badly by people there for being a Liberal. That experience made me extremely harsh towards Republicans in general. For 3 years of High School, I went through a lonely hell. Things got better in my senior year, but I'm still more stunted then others, even accounting for AS.
Ok... now I understand... you're only pro life for people you like... all others can just die. Got it.
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blueraven Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:50:21pm |
All of Waukesha is in and he is only up by 2k. She still has some of Dane and Milwaukee out.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:50:34pm |
re: #34 EmmmieG
Wasn't Al Franken down?
I think that the current governor of Washington was initially reported beind.
Possibly. I just hope this won't demoralize the recall efforts.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:50:39pm |
Never mind. The "I don't knows" just hit .
Could be any thing, I don't know.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:50:43pm |
re: #33 ProLifeLiberal
I guess you weren't here when that became an artifact.
I was treated very badly by people there for being a Liberal. That experience made me extremely harsh towards Republicans in general. For 3 years of High School, I went through a lonely hell. Things got better in my senior year, but I'm still more stunted then others, even accounting for AS.
Junior High was pretty miserable for me. (At least nobody bullied me. That was one thing.)
I wouldn't want my home town consumed by hell, though.
Although, in all honesty, if an earthquake shook down the junior high and there was a fundraiser to rebuild it, I wouldn't contribute.
I don't believe in middle school/junior high. None of my kids have to go.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:51:07pm |
re: #26 EmmmieG
My family and friends there ARE the righteous people, as far as I am concerned.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:51:20pm |
re: #37 blueraven
All of Waukesha is in and he is only up by 2k. She still has some of Dane and Milwaukee out.
Yeah, but he's got some votes in there too. She will have to blow him out to win.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:51:30pm |
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recusancy Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:51:54pm |
SwingState says: Our model now shows Prosser winning 50.01% to 49.99%
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:52:33pm |
re: #43 EmmmieG
Because that's all the God requires.
"God said to Noah there's gonna be a floodie, floodie"
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Robert O. Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:52:36pm |
re: #25 Walter L. Newton
Opposition against policies that give to the rich by taking away from the elderly, the children, the disabled and the most vulnerable citizens of this country is Pro-Life. In fact, it is hallmark of Patriotism.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:52:39pm |
re: #43 EmmmieG
If'n you say so. There might be some in LA, but they're hiding!
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avanti Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:52:42pm |
Supreme Court REPORTING 97%
David Prosser (inc) 704,507
50%
Joanne Kloppenburg 703,324
50%
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:53:09pm |
re: #48 avanti
Supreme Court REPORTING 97%
David Prosser (inc) 704,507
50%
Joanne Kloppenburg 703,324
50%
Recount!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:53:23pm |
re: #47 Floral Giraffe
If'n you say so. There might be some in LA, but they're hiding!
Hey, my grandma lives in LA. And my aunt.
Pretty much everyone else though...
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:53:34pm |
re: #46 Robert O.
Opposition against policies that give to the rich by taking away from the elderly, the children, the disabled and the most vulnerable citizens of this country is Pro-Life. In fact, it is hallmark of Patriotism.
And wishing people to go to hell is sick.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:53:36pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:53:49pm |
re: #48 avanti
THe numbers are going to tic tic tic towards a conclusion.
Maybe tomorrow, they'll be final-ish!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:54:16pm |
re: #47 Floral Giraffe
If'n you say so. There might be some in LA, but they're hiding!
Oops. I'm wrong. There have to be ten, not five.
Still, I'm pretty sure I could find ten good people just about anywhere.
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simoom Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:54:36pm |
Hilarous: Our model now shows Prosser winning 50.01% to 49.99%
half a minute ago via Echofon
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:55:27pm |
re: #54 EmmmieG
You'd be working for it, here.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:55:55pm |
re: #56 recusancy
She just went ahead by 1400!
Yep she's up again with 3% still out
12:51 am: Supreme Court REPORTING 97%
David Prosser (inc) 703,675 50%
Joanne Kloppenburg 701,760 50%
This is too much.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:56:44pm |
re: #59 moderatelyradicalliberal
Yep she's up again with 3% still out
12:51 am: Supreme Court REPORTING 97%
David Prosser (inc) 703,675 50%
Joanne Kloppenburg 701,760 50%This is too much.
There will be a recount. It's too close for it to be otherwise.
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SpaceJesus Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:56:48pm |
lol, go blue all you funny-sounding wisconsin counties, go blue
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:57:09pm |
re: #59 moderatelyradicalliberal
Yep she's up again with 3% still out
12:51 am: Supreme Court REPORTING 97%
David Prosser (inc) 703,675 50%
Joanne Kloppenburg 701,760 50%This is too much.
Wait. That has him up.
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limewash Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:57:39pm |
FROM AP
D. Prosser (i) 706,381
J. Kloppenburg 707,961
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avanti Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:57:50pm |
Supreme Court REPORTING 97%
David Prosser (inc) 720,760
50%
Joanne Kloppenburg 716,089
50%
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:58:28pm |
re: #64 recusancy
Racine will probably do her in though.
Racine! I had ancestors settle in Racine.
Germans. Dead ones, now.
They'd better not be voting.
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simoom Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:58:33pm |
Dane County results are a little ahead of APs:
[Link: www.countyofdane.com...]
Pros: 48627
Klop: 133513
AP for Dane:
Pros: 46,839
Klop: 129,415
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elizajane Tue, Apr 5, 2011 9:59:04pm |
Now he's up by 5,000, with the same percentage of precincts reporting.
Honestly, you can see that Wisconsin needs to fund its public schools better. There are some math problems happening here.
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recusancy Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:00:15pm |
re: #69 simoom
Dane County results are a little ahead of APs:
[Link: www.countyofdane.com...]AP for Dane:
That won't be enough to make up the dif
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avanti Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:00:38pm |
Supreme Court REPORTING 97%
David Prosser (inc) 722,836
50%
Joanne Kloppenburg 720,421
50%
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:01:04pm |
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recusancy Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:01:45pm |
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simoom Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:02:51pm |
re: #72 avanti
Looks like they just added in those Dane county votes.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:02:57pm |
re: #75 recusancy
And Sauk and Portage and Eu Claire
I think you mean Eau Claire, which means Clear Water.
Eu Claire is what happens when Claire forgets her deodorant.
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avanti Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:04:13pm |
Supreme Court REPORTING 97%
David Prosser (inc) 724,355
50%
Joanne Kloppenburg 722,518
50%
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stevemcg Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:05:06pm |
My wife took me on a trip to Oshkosh in 1998 for the aair show. She was a real good sport and hung out with me while I went totally geeky over all the airplanes. (She's a keeper) Anyway, as we were sditting in the looong line of cars filing out of the parking areas she realized she could have been spending the day at the outlets across the highway. Hell of a moment.
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simoom Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:08:46pm |
Last few updates from swingstateproject:
[Link: www.swingstateproject.com...]
12:05am: Prosser is now up by about 2,200 votes. With most of the precincts in Dem-leaning territory...but these precincts have to be substantive, and not empty, as we've seen plenty tonight.
12:01am: Eau Claire County may not give us as much of a boost as expected - most of the city of Eau Claire is reporting, with 11 of the 21 outstanding being from the city.
11:56pm: Looking at Marathon County, there could be good news left for KloJo - most of the outstanding precincts appear to be in the City of Wausau, which should help her recover her lead, or at least be empty (which is better than the 54-46 margin Prosser has there thus far).
11:53pm: Bad advance news from Racine County, which based on the County website is fully reporting and has KloJo losing by 6K votes, not 3k. This moves the needle to 4.90%.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:08:47pm |
Ok. I tried to stay up, but I can't anymore.
Good night all.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:12:54pm |
My nasty cold and I are going to bed now. Good night everyone.
It will not be a good night for me. Nasty colds do not make good bed partners.
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avanti Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:14:23pm |
Supreme Court REPORTING 97%
David Prosser (inc) 724,859
50%
Joanne Kloppenburg 723,175
50%
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:20:36pm |
re: #22 ProLifeLiberal
Looking at voting, I will make a point of never living in Waukesha County. It's just like Colorado Springs. I hate Colorado Springs with a passion. Once my friends and family leave, I don't care if it is consumed by hell.
"consumed by hell" is a great turn of phrase :D
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Amory Blaine Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:22:47pm |
If Prosser wins I hope he will use this opportunity to reevaluate his temperament towards his peers.
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simoom Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:27:33pm |
Weigel:
[Link: www.slate.com...]
While we wait, let's remember that in the first round, on February 15, Prosser won 55 percent of the vote to 25 percent for Kloppenburg. A Prosser win is important, and locks up the Supreme Court for Republicans, but a win of the size this is likely to be is a big, yawning vote of no confidence in the state's GOP. The bottom started to fall out of Prosser's bid, and a Republican surge came in to help him, but that was $1.8 million no one had been planning to spend to retain a judge.
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recusancy Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:28:46pm |
Swing State: I count about 97 outstanding precincts, in counties which have given Kloppenburg an average of 60% tonight
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elizajane Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:30:04pm |
re: #87 recusancy
Swing State: I count about 97 outstanding precincts, in counties which have given Kloppenburg an average of 60% tonight
Upding for processing all that information really fast, while I was staring at the chart wondering what it all meant!
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recusancy Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:31:07pm |
re: #88 elizajane
Upding for processing all that information really fast, while I was staring at the chart wondering what it all meant!
[Link: twitter.com...]
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blueraven Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:37:46pm |
Dang, if someone told me 6 weeks ago, I would be watching a nail biter election for SC judge in WI on LGF after midnight, I would not have believed them.
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simoom Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:44:20pm |
Supreme Court REPORTING 97%
David Prosser (inc) 726,750 50%
Joanne Kloppenburg 724,651 50%
Prosser picked up a few hundred more votes -- up 2099.
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simoom Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:52:15pm |
Small update to the tv news site count, I'll just post the delta:
Prosser +1906 (98% reporting)
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freetoken Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:55:08pm |
re: #4 elizajane
How is it possible that the American electorate keeps producing these razor-thin margins when you also feel as if the two sides are miles apart?
One might almost be led to believe as a society we need even more drama than the Police shows on TV are able to satiate, and that we look forward to manipulating our practice of politics to provide us that drama.
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freetoken Tue, Apr 5, 2011 10:57:57pm |
Consider me totally ignorant of the importance of this election because, well, I am ignorant of the importance of this election.
Can anyone summarize in two sentences or less what's at stake here?
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blueraven Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:00:37pm |
re: #95 freetoken
Consider me totally ignorant of the importance of this election because, well, I am ignorant of the importance of this election.
Can anyone summarize in two sentences or less what's at stake here?
The incumbent is a Scott Walker judge.
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blueraven Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:02:31pm |
All of Marathon county is in. Prosser only up less than 2k. Milwaukee still has some precincts out.
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Amory Blaine Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:03:22pm |
re: #95 freetoken
Consider me totally ignorant of the importance of this election because, well, I am ignorant of the importance of this election.
Can anyone summarize in two sentences or less what's at stake here?
The legality of Walkers union busting bill is up for debate and probably will be in the Supreme Court to be decided for one reason or another. Prosser, the incumbent, had said that he would be a "complement" to Walker and his agenda. Sending up red flags of his assumed impartiality.
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Amory Blaine Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:04:47pm |
re: #100 Amory Blaine
Also, it would tip the balance from the right lean it rules on now to more in the center.
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simoom Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:07:06pm |
re: #95 freetoken
Can anyone summarize in two sentences or less what's at stake here?
The media deciding whether or not there's momentum against Walker's agenda. They love to read cataclysmic meaning into things like this, or at least they're very receptive to GOP spin to that effect.
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freetoken Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:10:48pm |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:12:14pm |
re: #100 Amory Blaine
The legality of Walkers union busting bill is up for debate and probably will be in the Supreme Court to be decided for one reason or another. Prosser, the incumbent, had said that he would be a "complement" to Walker and his agenda. Sending up red flags of his assumed impartiality.
Supreme Court candidate JoAnne Kloppenburg says PolitiFact Wisconsin “concluded that the charge that Justice Prosser prejudges matters that come before the court is True"
At the opposite end of the meter from True is Pants on Fire, for a statement that is ridiculously false. And Pants on Fire is what Kloppenburg gets for her claim about our earlier ruling.
(read the whole story)
[Link: www.politifact.com...]
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Amory Blaine Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:16:17pm |
re: #105 Walter L. Newton
Supreme Court candidate JoAnne Kloppenburg says PolitiFact Wisconsin “concluded that the charge that Justice Prosser prejudges matters that come before the court is True"
At the opposite end of the meter from True is Pants on Fire, for a statement that is ridiculously false. And Pants on Fire is what Kloppenburg gets for her claim about our earlier ruling.
(read the whole story)
[Link: www.politifact.com...]
She may have said Politifact concluded the charge of prejudging. That statement would be false.
If she said "Prosser himself has said that he will be a complement to Walker". That would be true.
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blueraven Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:18:52pm |
re: #104 simoom
A nice bump, very tight now:
Prosser +585 (99% reporting)
There is not much left where Prosser can gain. Kloppenburg still has Milwaukee.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:21:39pm |
Considering Prosser is the incumbent, that he beat Kloppenburg in the primary 55% to 25%, and was considered a shoe in before Walker's antics, it's going to be difficult for the GOP to treat a win as anything but a Pyrrhic victory.
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elizajane Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:23:43pm |
re: #108 goddamnedfrank
Considering Prosser is the incumbent, that he beat Kloppenburg in the primary 55% to 25%, and was considered a shoe in before Walker's antics, it's going to be difficult for the GOP to treat a win as anything but a Pyrrhic victory.
Oh come. Since when have margins mattered to the Republicans? Two days later they'll be terming it a "mandate." They are utterly shameless.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:24:05pm |
re: #106 Amory Blaine
She may have said Politifact concluded the charge of prejudging. That statement would be false.
If she said "Prosser himself has said that he will be a complement to Walker". That would be true.
Further info on those statements...
[Link: www.politifact.com...]
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simoom Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:24:49pm |
re: #108 goddamnedfrank
They also ended up outspending the pro-Kloppenburg groups by about 50%, so it was costly however it goes.
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Amory Blaine Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:27:22pm |
People have yet to feel the effects of the proposed cuts. Once schools actually close and other services are ended or re: #110 Walter L. Newton
Further info on those statements...
[Link: www.politifact.com...]
Yeah 95% is probably hyperbole.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:27:27pm |
I suspect by the time all the counts are in, Kloppenburg will have it.
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Amory Blaine Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:28:21pm |
re: #113 Walter L. Newton
I suspect by the time all the counts are in, Kloppenburg will have it.
IDK it's close.
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simoom Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:28:30pm |
Are there absentee ballots to tally, or were they counted along with all the rest of the votes?
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Girth Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:28:46pm |
re: #109 elizajane
Oh come. Since when have margins mattered to the Republicans? Two days later they'll be terming it a "mandate." They are utterly shameless.
We lost because we weren't conservative enough.
We won, so the people clearly want us to be even more conservative.
These are the only proper ways to analyze election results.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:29:17pm |
re: #109 elizajane
Oh come. Since when have margins mattered to the Republicans? Two days later they'll be terming it a "mandate." They are utterly shameless.
True. I should have said it would be difficult for anyone with an ounce of sense. They'll probably treat it as the will of the Almighty and start burning college professors as witches.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:29:36pm |
re: #112 Amory Blaine
People have yet to feel the effects of the proposed cuts. Once schools actually close and other services are ended or
Yeah 95% is probably hyperbole.
What the fuck is your problem? I'm simply linking to some opinions on the subject you brought up. I'm not passing judgement on either candidate, nor am I arguing "right or wrong," just supplying some info.
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blueraven Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:31:35pm |
re: #118 Walter L. Newton
What the fuck is your problem? I'm simply linking to some opinions on the subject you brought up. I'm not passing judgement on either candidate, nor am I arguing "right or wrong," just supplying some info.
Here lets look at the other guys truthiness record too, shall we?
[Link: www.politifact.com...]
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Amory Blaine Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:31:46pm |
re: #118 Walter L. Newton
What the fuck is your problem? I'm simply linking to some opinions on the subject you brought up. I'm not passing judgement on either candidate, nor am I arguing "right or wrong," just supplying some info.
I wasn't trying to be a dick. Sorry if I came across that way.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:34:54pm |
re: #119 blueraven
Here lets look at the other guys truthiness record too, shall we?
[Link: www.politifact.com...]
I've been looking over that site, and Prosser has certainly has some questionable positions and possible conflicts.
And I'll ask you the same thing... what the fuck is your problem? Did you see me arguing or denying anything... I was moving through that site looking for information that would be of interest to this discussion.
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simoom Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:35:16pm |
Latest swingstateproject chart on the outstanding precincts:
Image: jw0Zw.png
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Amory Blaine Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:35:43pm |
The first sentence was an unfinished post I was writing for another person. My inattentiveness has caused confusion.
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blueraven Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:38:10pm |
re: #121 Walter L. Newton
I've been looking over that site, and Prosser has certainly has some questionable positions and possible conflicts.
And I'll ask you the same thing... what the fuck is your problem? Did you see me arguing or denying anything... I was moving through that site looking for information that would be of interest to this discussion.
LOL...someone didn't get their nap in.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:40:20pm |
re: #124 blueraven
LOL...someone didn't get their nap in.
No... but you're partisan bullshit is showing.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:40:26pm |
re: #122 simoom
Latest swingstateproject chart on the outstanding precincts:
Image: jw0Zw.png
If that's right she might make up the vast majority of the difference in Ashland county alone.
Gonna be close though, too close.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:42:09pm |
re: #124 blueraven
LOL...someone didn't get their nap in.
I don't need a nap... I'm up late making some good money on the side doing some coding for Kaiser. Sober too.
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blueraven Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:42:59pm |
re: #127 Walter L. Newton
I don't need a nap... I'm up late making some good money on the side doing some coding for Kaiser. Sober too.
That's great Walter. Glad to hear it.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:46:45pm |
re: #129 blueraven
That's great Walter. Glad to hear it.
DOes anyone think that Dell keyboards have the home/end and page up/page down keys in the wrong place?
I got this new computer (the 7 year old HP motherboard finally gave up the ghost, and the deal on this Dell was too good to pass up)... but the keyboard has some really stupid key placements... imo.
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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:50:20pm |
re: #130 Walter L. Newton
DOes anyone think that Dell keyboards have the home/end and page up/page down keys in the wrong place?
I got this new computer (the 7 year old HP motherboard finally gave up the ghost, and the deal on this Dell was too good to pass up)... but the keyboard has some really stupid key placements... imo.
Get you a Microsoft keyboard...they've been good to me over the years
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simoom Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:52:24pm |
Dunn county final returns here:
[Link: dunncountywi.govoffice2.com...]
Pross: 4076
Klop: 5164
As far as I can tell that should be another 229 votes for Kloppenburg that aren't included in the AP totals yet. So down to a 246 vote lead for Prosser at the moment?
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blueraven Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:53:30pm |
Crap. AP done for tonight
[Link: elections.wispolitics.com...]
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simoom Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:54:35pm |
re: #133 blueraven
Guess we need to troll around the county clerk pages for the final outstanding returns :P
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:54:52pm |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:55:27pm |
re: #131 talon_262
Get you a Microsoft keyboard...they've been good to me over the years
I may look into that. Or maybe it's just being use to the same keyboard layout for 7 years or so.
When you are coding and doing a lot of repetitive keystrokes for line after line of similar code, you get use to doing it heads down, in your sleep.
The Dell is ruining my rhythm.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:55:29pm |
re: #132 simoom
Since we aren't going to find out the results for a while, whatever it appears to be at the moment, I should turn in for the night.
Good night fellow tetrapods.
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Amory Blaine Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:55:53pm |
re: #134 simoom
Guess we need to troll around the county clerk pages for the final outstanding returns :P
It's where all the cool kids hang out.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:56:19pm |
Anyone know anything about this?
Grassley said he had information that the AK-47s recovered at the shooting scene were traced to Project Gunrunner, an ATF program designed to stem the illegal flow of U.S. guns to Mexico.
"Members of the Judiciary Committee have received numerous allegations that the ATF sanctioned the sale of hundreds of assault weapons to suspected straw purchasers, who then allegedly transported these weapons throughout the southwestern border area and into Mexico," the senator wrote to acting ATF Director Kenneth Melson. "According to the allegations, one of these individuals purchased three assault rifles with cash in Glendale, Ariz., on Jan. 16, 2010. Two of the weapons were then allegedly used in a firefight on Dec. 14, 2010, against Customs and Border Protection agents, killing CBP Agent Brian Terry."
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Amory Blaine Tue, Apr 5, 2011 11:58:26pm |
re: #139 ggt
I know CBS has been following the story.
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Alexzander Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:00:50am |
As a night owl it makes me happy to see late night activity on LGF.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:01:10am |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:02:40am |
re: #137 prononymous
Since we aren't going to find out the results for a while, whatever it appears to be at the moment, I should turn in for the night.
Good night fellow tetrapods.
I'm not a tetrapod, I'm a conservative.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:03:53am |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:06:46am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:07:14am |
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simoom Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:07:18am |
re: #142 ggt
I don't know anything about that specific story, but something like 87% of the guns seized in Mexico end up coming from the U.S, often easily purchased from gun shows. It sounds like, if that agent's story is accurate, the ATF was trying to do some sort of sting and follow some purchased guns.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:12:18am |
re: #144 ggt
But are you a Lizard?
I have a lot of free time this week.. had my two overnights Sat/Sun and they scheduled a short week, so I have only 4 more hours to work today (Wed. afternoon 4-8 pm) and then off until Sat. night midnight. Which works out to 20 hours, which is just where I like my hours to be.
The last month, I've been getting 30 to 35 hours, lot's of vacations, sick and department moves to cover. I heard from my head clerk that she has hired 3 new cashiers and still has another to hire. That would be the first new cashier hires since I started there March 31st 2010... a year ago.
If that is actually the case, I'll probably be moved off the overnights (they'll give that to the new "low man" on the seniority list and I'll have more say in what hours and how many I work on a weekly basis. At least that's the plan.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:13:53am |
re: #147 simoom
I don't know anything about that specific story, but something like 87% of the guns seized in Mexico end up coming from the U.S, often easily purchased from gun shows. It sounds like, if that agent's story is accurate, the ATF was trying to do some sort of sting and follow some purchased guns.
Something like 87% of the TRACEABLE guns come from the US. The vast majority of the guns recovered WERE NOT SUBMITTED FOR TRACING.
Since there seems to be no source other than the NRA and FOX for any non-negataive news about guns, the link is what it is.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:16:26am |
re: #144 ggt
But are you a Lizard?
I'm up late because I'm in the middle of doing some programming for Kaiser... they dropped a project in my lap that I'm billing out at 20 hours and a go live date of next Wed.
Since my job is so overnight and late evening orientated, it's not hard for me to stay up, sit in my office, radio on, programming away... it's more satisfying than working at the grocery store.
And the view of the milky way is better from my office.
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simoom Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:17:11am |
re: #149 ggt
This was my source. I should have linked to it:
GAO June 2009: U.S. Efforts to Combat Arms Trafficking to Mexico Face Planning and Coordination Challenges
Available evidence indicates many of the firearms fueling Mexican drug
violence originated in the United States, including a growing number of
increasingly lethal weapons. While it is impossible to know how many
firearms are illegally smuggled into Mexico in a given year, about 87 percent
of firearms seized by Mexican authorities and traced in the last 5 years
originated in the United States, according to data from Department of
Justice’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF).
According to U.S. and Mexican government officials, these firearms have been
increasingly more powerful and lethal in recent years. Many of these firearms
come from gun shops and gun shows in Southwest border states. U.S. and
Mexican government and law enforcement officials stated most firearms are
intended to support operations of Mexican DTOs, which are also responsible
for trafficking arms to Mexico.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:17:20am |
re: #150 Walter L. Newton
I'm up late because I'm in the middle of doing some programming for Kaiser... they dropped a project in my lap that I'm billing out at 20 hours and a go live date of next Wed.
Since my job is so overnight and late evening orientated, it's not hard for me to stay up, sit in my office, radio on, programming away... it's more satisfying than working at the grocery store.
And the view of the milky way is better from my office.
I'm a night person too! Unfortunately, I have responsibilities during the day.
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Mr Pancakes Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:17:48am |
re: #150 Walter L. Newton
I'm up late because I'm in the middle of doing some programming for Kaiser... they dropped a project in my lap that I'm billing out at 20 hours and a go live date of next Wed.
Since my job is so overnight and late evening orientated, it's not hard for me to stay up, sit in my office, radio on, programming away... it's more satisfying than working at the grocery store.
And the view of the milky way is better from my office.
Here in SoCal..... we don't see stars anymore.
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Irenicum Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:18:12am |
Here's hoping that the bat shit crazy crowd loses in this election...
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:22:02am |
re: #153 Mr Pancakes
Here in SoCal... we don't see stars anymore.
I'm at 8200 feet here... barely no ambient light, lot of sky up there. You can actually see the Milky Way... all of those millions of stars that make that vague blanket of white, acting like a background for the brighter stars and planets with in.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:23:44am |
re: #151 simoom
This was my source. I should have linked to it:
GAO June 2009: U.S. Efforts to Combat Arms Trafficking to Mexico Face Planning and Coordination Challenges
Page 21 of the report you linked:
Mexico. In 2008, of the almost 30,000 firearms that the Mexican Attorney General’s office said were seized, only around 7,200, or approximately a quarter, were submitted to ATF for tracing. U.S. and Mexican government and law enforcement officials indicated Mexican government officials had not submitted all of the firearms tracing information due to bureaucratic obstacles between the Mexican military and the Mexican Attorney General’s Office and lack of a sufficient number of trained staff to use eTrace. For instance, at one point, State officials told us, the Government of Mexico had only one staff person collecting gun information and entering it into eTrace.12 Further, as ATF pointed out, not all guns seized in the United States are submitted by U.S. entities to ATF for tracing either, due to some of the same type of bureaucratic and resource challenges faced in Mexico.
still perusing it.
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Mr Pancakes Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:28:22am |
re: #155 Walter L. Newton
I'm at 8200 feet here... barely no ambient light, lot of sky up there. You can actually see the Milky Way... all of those millions of stars that make that vague blanket of white, acting like a background for the brighter stars and planets with in.
Yea.... I've seen that, but you have to go east to the desert to avoid the light pollution. It's an incredible sight.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:29:04am |
Page 18
From fiscal year 2004 to fiscal year 2008, most of the firearms seized in Mexico and traced came from U.S. Southwest border states. In particular, about 70 percent of these firearms came from Texas, California, and Arizona. Figure 5 provides data on the top source states for firearms trafficked to Mexico and traced from fiscal year 2004 to fiscal year 2008.
16The
This report quotes Operation Gunrunner a few times. So, at least these figures, are now suspect.
What a can of worms!
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blueraven Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:29:50am |
Goodnight all. Guess I will have to wait to see who won in WI in the morning. Eyes are slamming. Anyway, you slice it; great race!
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:31:44am |
Same here... I'm at a point I can put the programming to bed for now... and put me to bed... night all.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:33:14am |
re: #156 ggt
Simoom, It's too late for me to go thru the entire report. Thanks for the link to the original source, I would have had no idea where to start looking.
I'll be perusing it in detail at a later time.
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simoom Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:35:06am |
re: #158 ggt
Page 18
This report quotes Operation Gunrunner a few times. So, at least these figures, are now suspect.
Why would that make them suspect. I know almost nothing about it but the impression I got from an AZ Central article was that it's some sort of long running ATF sting program for catching folks who legally purchase guns in the U.S. and then attempt to illegally smuggle them across the border, and that in these sorts of stings sometimes those same smugglers allude law enforcement.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:36:21am |
re: #162 simoom
Why would that make them suspect. I know almost nothing about it but the impression I got from an AZ Central article was that it's some sort of long running ATF sting program for catching folks who legally purchase guns in the U.S. and then attempt to illegally smuggle them across the border, and that in these sorts of stings sometimes those same smugglers allude law enforcement.
There seems to be an issue with the Operation right now. I'm still trying to figure it out.
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simoom Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:37:14am |
re: #163 ggt
I'll try and read up on it more too, especially since it seems destined to become a contentious political issue in the near term.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:40:11am |
re: #164 simoom
I'll try and read up on it more too, especially since it seems destined to become a contentious political issue in the near term.
Yeah, it is preparing to be a 2012 election issue. Best to know.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:55:55am |
peacemanjack RT @billschwulst: AP Prosser up by 585, four Ashland pct +185 Kloppenburg, 2 Dunn pct +229 = Prosser up 171 with 26 pcts left in Wisconsin #wivote #wiunion
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Varek Raith Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:59:18am |
re: #167 goddamnedfrank
peacemanjack RT @billschwulst: AP Prosser up by 585, four Ashland pct +185 Kloppenburg, 2 Dunn pct +229 = Prosser up 171 with 26 pcts left in Wisconsin #wivote #wiunion
Going to a recount I presume?
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simoom Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:10:29am |
re: #168 Varek Raith
Going to a recount I presume?
According to this Wisconsin political blog:
[Link: elections.wispolitics.com...]
Under Wisconsin law, there's no such thing as an automatic recount, GAB Director Kevin Kennedy says.A candidate has to ask for a recount, and it's free so long as the difference is less than one half of 1 percent. Between one half of 1 percent and 2 percent, the cost to the candidate is $5 per ward. If the difference is more than 2 percent, the candidate requesting the recount has to pay for all of the costs.
A recount cannot be requested until all of the county boards of canvass are in, which Kennedy said would likely be Monday or Tuesday. Candidates then have three business days after the last canvass comes in to request a recount.
It would be hard to picture whichever side that is behind, when all is said and done, not requesting their free recount (as long as it's within ~7500 votes), so I imagine you're right.
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terraincognita Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:22:57am |
There are 26 precincts left which should net Kloppenburg 500 to 700 votes. In addition, there are a reported 8000 absentee votes in Milwaukee with an additional 7000 in Madison that need to be counted.
Chris Abele defeated Jeff Stone, a Walker ubercon, for Milwaukee County Executive last night, 61% to 39%. It is worthy to note that this was Scott Walker's position that he vacated to assume the governorship.
It would be safe to say the loser will probably petition for a recount. The recount will be at taxpayer expense if the margin of victory is a half percent or less of the total vote.
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freetoken Wed, Apr 6, 2011 3:08:26am |
Doing taxes... noticing that both the IRS and CA FTB websites are big on "free filing".
If only.
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researchok Wed, Apr 6, 2011 3:14:41am |
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freetoken Wed, Apr 6, 2011 3:29:50am |
re: #174 researchok
Nice to have the music back.
I need something to listen to while I'm doing taxes.
That particular piece is a rather eclectic piece of The Peanuts trying to merge a traditional sounding Japanese voice with some jazz/mambo instruments.
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freetoken Wed, Apr 6, 2011 3:30:46am |
This one actually helps more as I force my hand to make write out payments to the IRS and FTB:
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researchok Wed, Apr 6, 2011 3:32:54am |
re: #175 freetoken
I need something to listen to while I'm doing taxes.
That particular piece is a rather eclectic piece of The Peanuts trying to merge a traditional sounding Japanese voice with some jazz/mambo instruments.
Like I said, that piece really got my attention.
As for taxes, I'm done, owe more than I thought and have to cover it.
I hate this time of the year. I'm not fond of my accountant either.
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laZardo Wed, Apr 6, 2011 4:07:17am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Apr 6, 2011 4:26:22am |
re: #177 researchok
I get a huge refund every year. Got in trouble with the IRS once (I do not recommend it), and to that end? Claim ZERO exemptions though I have a house and many other deductions.
Scared to death of those bastards, and am always much more comfortable with them owing me than me owing them.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 4:38:49am |
re: #181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
This will be the first year in more than a decade that I haven't owed. If I'm careful again this year, I won't owe next year either.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Apr 6, 2011 4:39:29am |
HuffPo headline: Scott Walker Suffers Blow As Old Job Falls To Critic
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Obdicut Wed, Apr 6, 2011 4:48:31am |
re: #183 Alouette
Not generally something I associate with suffering.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 4:48:44am |
re: #183 Alouette
HuffPo headline: Scott Walker Suffers Blow As Old Job Falls To Critic
Sounds like people are looking for a silver lining. I thought a Kloppenburg win was a sure thing.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 4:50:59am |
Ryan feeling the love in Slate:
Weigel:
Honest Paul
How Rep. Paul Ryan became the most courageous man in Washington.
[Link: www.slate.com...]
and:
Weisberg:
Good Plan!
Republican Paul Ryan's budget proposal is brave, radical, and smart.
[Link: www.slate.com...]
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 4:54:23am |
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garhighway Wed, Apr 6, 2011 4:56:05am |
re: #185 RogueOne
Sounds like people are looking for a silver lining. I thought a Kloppenburg win was a sure thing.
You were mistaken. Prosser was an uncontroversial incumbent with an inexperienced challenger. But for Walker (and his own stupid quote) his re-election is a snooze. The two things (but mostly Walker, who Prosser ran away from like a track star) turned a 60-40 romp into a horserace.
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laZardo Wed, Apr 6, 2011 5:01:10am |
re: #188 garhighway
You were mistaken. Prosser was an uncontroversial incumbent with an inexperienced challenger. But for Walker (and his own stupid quote) his re-election is a snooze. The two things (but mostly Walker, who Prosser ran away from like a track star) turned a 60-40 romp into a horserace.
Haven't been following Wisconsin that much. Is this election about the one judge that can make or break Walker's laws?
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garhighway Wed, Apr 6, 2011 5:01:25am |
Morning, all.
Yesterday, I listened to another briefing from my company's corporate economist. (I've posted on his observations before.)
He mostly said the same stuff he has said before. The couple of interesting new things were that he thinks the stimulus bill knocked 5 points off of the unemployment rate. (He thinks it would have gone to at least 15% without it. At least.)
He sees the stimulus effect ending this year, and there is a minor risk that the private economy fails to pick up the slack, but he thinks that is a very minor risk.
Full employment waits until 2015. And the uptick in the private savings rate in the US renders the current US deficit self-financed.
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garhighway Wed, Apr 6, 2011 5:02:38am |
re: #189 laZardo
Haven't been following Wisconsin that much. Is this election about the one judge that can make or break Walker's laws?
That seat can swing the WI S CT from 4-3 conservative to 4-3 liberal. I haven't seen a good analysis of the legal issues around his bills.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 5:08:22am |
re: #188 garhighway
You were mistaken. Prosser was an uncontroversial incumbent with an inexperienced challenger. But for Walker (and his own stupid quote) his re-election is a snooze. The two things (but mostly Walker, who Prosser ran away from like a track star) turned a 60-40 romp into a horserace.
True but during the last month all the momentum has been on the side of the unions. They outspent prosser, tore him up in the press, and turned out their vote. They should have walked away with this one. I guess the taxpayers of WI were more tuned in than I expected. 1.5 million votes for a supreme court race seems very high.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 5:09:58am |
re: #189 laZardo
Haven't been following Wisconsin that much. Is this election about the one judge that can make or break Walker's laws?
The reality is this race means next to nothing. The only argument is whether the vote was held in accordance with their open meetings law. Worst case scenario, Walker passes it again and bypasses the fight.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 5:13:32am |
Nicer news:
Pat Lykos: Texas' Capital Punishment Avenger
[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]
Between 1979 and 2000, Holmes built Harris County, Texas, into the execution capital of the nation. Since the Supreme Court reinstated capital punishment in 1976, Harris County has sent more prisoners to the death chamber than any state in the country. Holmes was just as ruthless with lesser criminals, once seeking a life sentence for a substitute teacher who sold a joint to a student. "Harris County was the standard bearer of everything bad in criminal justice for a long time," says Jeff Blackburn of the Innocence Project of Texas.And yet, with Lykos at the helm, the office has undergone an astonishing turnaround. The Harris County D.A.'s office won the Innocence Project of Texas' “Honesty and Integrity in Prosecution Award” last fall. Under Lykos, the county "is becoming the single most powerful example of how to change this system and make it work right," Blackburn says. Lykos isn't just sending fewer people to death row; she's using her prosecutorial power to set the innocent free.
She joins the dallas DA, Craig Watkins, as the other most honest and effective prosecutors in dealing with innocent death-row inmates.
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garhighway Wed, Apr 6, 2011 5:17:40am |
re: #192 RogueOne
True but during the last month all the momentum has been on the side of the unions. They outspent prosser, tore him up in the press, and turned out their vote. They should have walked away with this one. I guess the taxpayers of WI were more tuned in than I expected. 1.5 million votes for a supreme court race seems very high.
I hadn't seen any polling that had Prosser down by more then the MOE. Had you?
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 5:18:02am |
NAACP says ‘priorities misplaced’ in spending on prisons, schools
[Link: www3.whig.com...]
Ben Jealous was just on MSNBC saying the NRA and Newt Gingrich would be joining him tomorrow for their press conference on the issue.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Apr 6, 2011 5:19:01am |
re: #196 RogueOne
Dogs and cats living together; mass hysteria!
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 5:19:48am |
re: #195 garhighway
I hadn't seen any polling that had Prosser down by more then the MOE. Had you?
No. He beat her up badly (almost 30 pts) in the primary but she closed the gap quickly the last few weeks.
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garhighway Wed, Apr 6, 2011 5:21:11am |
re: #198 RogueOne
No. He beat her up badly (almost 30 pts) in the primary but she closed the gap quickly the last few weeks.
So quickly that she didn't show in the polls as a winner.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 5:21:52am |
re: #197 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Dogs and cats living together; mass hysteria!
Maybe it's a sign that people are coming to their senses. The Dallas DA is a dem and the Houston DA is a repub. I'll take whatever I can get on this one.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 5:27:22am |
re: #199 garhighway
So quickly that she didn't show in the polls as a winner.
I'm not sure I'm understanding your argument. Are you saying she didn't have the momentum when she closed 30 pts in a month? 2 months ago prosser was the sure winner but by last week she was. She had everything going for her, she should have won this one.
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garhighway Wed, Apr 6, 2011 5:29:15am |
re: #201 RogueOne
I'm not sure I'm understanding your argument. Are you saying she didn't have the momentum when she closed 30 pts in a month? 2 months ago prosser was the sure winner but by last week she was. She had everything going for her, she should have won this one.
I am suggesting that your "but by last week she was" statement is mistaken. Unless there was a poll that I missed.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 5:31:01am |
re: #202 garhighway
I am suggesting that your "but by last week she was" statement is mistaken. Unless there was a poll that I missed.
Unless they show something I wasn't expecting, I don't pay much attention to polls.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 5:39:11am |
These stories are almost a week old but I just saw this one:
Why TARP Has Been a Success Story
Robert J. Samuelson March 28, 2011
[Link: www.newsweek.com...]
He should have held off for a couple days because the TARP watchdog put out an op-ed on March 30
Former TARP Official on TARP: A Big Fat Failure, Mostly
[Link: curiouscapitalist.blogs.time.com...]
It's all in the timing.
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Apr 6, 2011 5:51:53am |
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 5:52:13am |
Libyan rebels 'disappointed' by NATO
Rebel commander says coalition forces are not doing enough to protect civilians, as Gaddafi's forces take key oil town.
[Link: english.aljazeera.net...]
I wonder if it has anything to do with this:
Nato lacking strike aircraft for Libya campaign
US withdrawal of attack planes puts pressure on European countries, especially France, to offer more strike capability
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 5:55:53am |
re: #207 iceweasel
Time Vs. Newsweek: The battle of the dead.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 6, 2011 5:56:28am |
Why is the White House stonewalling the Federal Workers Union... ?
"Federal Workers Union Sues White House Over Possible Government Shutdown"
With time running out for congressional leaders to reach a budget deal, the country's biggest federal workers union is taking the Obama administration to court for what it called a failure to explain how federal programs and services would be affected if there's a government shutdown.
The American Federation of Government Employees announced Tuesday that it filed a lawsuit in federal court last week seeking details on the shutdown plans of federal agencies.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Apr 6, 2011 5:59:03am |
re: #209 RogueOne
Time Vs. Newsweek: The battle of the dead.
That story you posted about the texas prosecutor is terrific. You should page it!
I missed this when it first came out, might be old news to people here:
Egyptian women protesters forced to take ‘virginity tests’
After army officers violently cleared the square of protesters on 9 March, at least 18 women were held in military detention. Amnesty International has been told by women protesters that they were beaten, given electric shocks, subjected to strip searches while being photographed by male soldiers, then forced to submit to ‘virginity checks’ and threatened with prostitution charges.
‘Virginity tests’ are a form of torture when they are forced or coerced.
"Forcing women to have ‘virginity tests’ is utterly unacceptable. Its purpose is to degrade women because they are women," said Amnesty International. "All members of the medical profession must refuse to take part in such so-called 'tests'."
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 5:59:10am |
The queen goes dress shopping in preparation for the royal wedding:
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Apr 6, 2011 5:59:36am |
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:00:56am |
re: #211 iceweasel
I read that, pretty disgusting. I don't have much faith in things getting much better anytime soon but I still have hope for their future, the revolution has to start somewhere.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:02:59am |
re: #210 Walter L. Newton
The feds not responding to an FOIA? I'm shocked, SHOCKED!
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:04:39am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:06:29am |
Virginity testing?
why is such a thing the government's business?
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:08:37am |
Ouattara forces storm Gbagbo residence
Pro-Ouattara forces ordered not to kill Laurent Gbagbo, still in bunker after fierce assault on his presidential palace.
[Link: english.aljazeera.net...]
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:08:37am |
re: #217 ggt
Virginity testing?
why is such a thing the government's business?
That's what happens when government has a theocratic misogynistic worldview.
I paged it in case people want to read more.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:11:45am |
update on the journalist-fbi mole story from yesterday:
CBS News bureau chief denies being FBI informant
[Link: ca.news.yahoo.com...]
The Washington bureau chief for CBS News denied on Tuesday that he served as an FBI informant during the agency's investigation into the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.Chris Isham, who previously worked at ABC News, was said to be the anonymous journalist cited in a once-classified FBI memo.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:12:24am |
re: #217 ggt
Virginity testing?
why is such a thing the government's business?
IIRC Princess Diana had to submit to such a test. Don't know if Kate Middleton is required.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:13:46am |
re: #221 Alouette
IIRC Princess Diana had to submit to such a test. Don't know if Kate Middleton is required.
Seriously? For what purpose?
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:19:06am |
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kirkspencer Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:19:52am |
re: #190 garhighway
Morning, all.
Yesterday, I listened to another briefing from my company's corporate economist. (I've posted on his observations before.)
He mostly said the same stuff he has said before. The couple of interesting new things were that he thinks the stimulus bill knocked 5 points off of the unemployment rate. (He thinks it would have gone to at least 15% without it. At least.)
He sees the stimulus effect ending this year, and there is a minor risk that the private economy fails to pick up the slack, but he thinks that is a very minor risk.
Full employment waits until 2015. And the uptick in the private savings rate in the US renders the current US deficit self-financed.
I'd agree, with a major caveat. It assumes government doesn't shut down; it assumes the debt ceiling gets raised.
If those happen we're going to see some relapse - how severe depends on how long the idiocy continues.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:20:27am |
re: #221 Alouette
IIRC Princess Diana had to submit to such a test. Don't know if Kate Middleton is required.
I seem to recall that, as well.
Also, IIRC - the fact that Camilla was not a virgin was one reason why Charles couldn't marry HER to begin with, which is who he was in love with and should have married, IMO.
Now Kate & William - seems to me I keep seeing stories about where "they" are living, and they seem to be living as a couple in the same place; so I suspect the virgin test is a no-go for her. Thank goodness.
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prairiefire Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:20:40am |
re: #221 Alouette
IIRC Princess Diana had to submit to such a test. Don't know if Kate Middleton is required.
Yep, Diana had a medical exam to see if she was "intact." I think that the palace is assuming Kate and Will have already done the deed.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:21:31am |
re: #223 Alouette
In order to marry the Prince of Wales.
I could have figured that much// but why? Were they legally bound to not have sex with each other before marriage?
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:21:45am |
re: #227 prairiefire
Yep, Diana had a medical exam to see if she was "intact." I think that the palace is assuming Kate and Will have already done the deed.
The whole idea is just gruesome. I didn't know Diana had to go through it. Gah.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:22:49am |
re: #229 iceweasel
The whole idea is just gruesome. I didn't know Diana had to go through it. Gah.
yeah, that's pretty screwed up.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:24:12am |
re: #228 RogueOne
....an archaic throw back to the Church of England and protocol for "Royalty" to only associate with the PURE?
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:25:17am |
re: #231 reloadingisnotahobby
...an archaic throw back to the Church of England and protocol for "Royalty" to only associate with the PURE?
That doesn't explain Anne Boleyn.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:25:44am |
re: #231 reloadingisnotahobby
My spouse was a virgin when we met. I encouraged her to sleep with other people while we were dating just so she would know exactly how good I am. I'm a little twisted./
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:26:11am |
re: #232 Alouette
That doesn't explain Anne Boleyn.
That doesn't explain the royal inbreeding either... but it happens.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:26:25am |
re: #217 ggt
Virginity testing?
why is such a thing the government's business?
Yes, Diana had to prove that she was still a virgin. I also heard that the main reason that Camilla, Prince Charles' first true love, was not an eligible candidate was her lack of an intact hymen.
Still, it goes to show that Fundamentalist Muslims are not the only ones who keep their family virtue tucked between their womenfolk's legs...
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:27:12am |
re: #235 ralphieboy
Yes, Diana had to prove that she was still a virgin. I also heard that the main reason that Camilla, Prince Charles' first true love, was not an eligible candidate was her lack of an intact hymen.
Still, it goes to show that Fundamentalist Muslims are not the only ones who keep their family virtue tucked between their womenfolk's legs...
And then the Royal Family killed Camilla for their honor.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:28:25am |
re: #236 Walter L. Newton
And then the Royal Family killed Camilla for their honor.
Camilla is dead?
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stevemcg Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:31:26am |
re: #237 Alouette
Camilla is dead?
No, it looks like they ran over her with a truck a few times, but not dead.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:32:31am |
re: #238 stevemcg
No, it looks like they ran over her with a truck a few times, but not dead.
It's called a "Lory" Steve....lol
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:34:18am |
Walter, I would have never taken you for a prude. Sex is a sloppy handshake. How are we supposed to get to know each other if we don't shake hands?
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darthstar Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:34:41am |
re: #238 stevemcg
No, it looks like they ran over her with a truck a few times, but not dead.
They just threw her under a double-decker bus...then Charles finally got together with her.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:35:13am |
re: #241 darthstar
They just threw her under a double-decker bus...then Charles finally got together with her.
There's no stopping nerd love.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:37:45am |
re: #240 RogueOne
Walter, I would have never taken you for a prude. Sex is a sloppy handshake. How are we supposed to get to know each other if we don't shake hands?
Brute.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:39:39am |
re: #243 Walter L. Newton
Hi Walter!!
Had 80 dig yesterday ... rain/ snow mix this am....
You been doing OK??
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:41:05am |
NYC Councilman Leroy Comrie Proposes Bill Banning ‘Happy Meals’
New York City Councilman Leroy Comrie thinks the city should consider a ban on “Happy Meals” and similar fast food promotions aimed at kids unless those meals meet certain nutritional standards.
[Link: newyork.cbslocal.com...]
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:42:01am |
re: #245 Walter L. Newton
I read that earlier. Obviously he has a weakness for toys.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:42:40am |
re: #244 reloadingisnotahobby
Hi Walter!!
Had 80 dig yesterday ... rain/ snow mix this am...
You been doing OK??
It was in the 60's up here... 70's down in the city... Sunday night, about 2 inches of snow, today in the 30's and fog, rainy. It's springtime in the Rockies... where you can experience all four seasons at the same time.
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stevemcg Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:42:59am |
OT(/) but of the counties with unreported precincts, Kloppenburg was ahead in most of them. Going with some crude math, she could close the close to even when all the precincts are counted.
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darthstar Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:44:03am |
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:44:30am |
re: #246 RogueOne
I read that earlier. Obviously he has a weakness for toys.
...little "boy toys" no less....
If that suit fit him at one time then he's been walking to counter instead
of using the drive up window!
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prairiefire Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:45:00am |
In the time before VCR recorders, I woke up at 4:00am or so to watch Charles and Di get married. This time around it will be on the DVR.
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darthstar Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:45:49am |
re: #250 reloadingisnotahobby
...little "boy toys" no less...
If that suit fit him at one time then he's been walking to counter instead
of using the drive up window!
Good point. He's probably about thirty pounds lighter than when he got that suit. Let's hope he keeps going. Obesity kills.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:45:58am |
re: #247 Walter L. Newton
We had two inches Sunday am also....
Last Friday I mowed and did yard work...got a sunburn!!
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John Vreeland Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:46:32am |
re: #239 reloadingisnotahobby
It's called a "Lory" Steve...lol
It's "lorry" or "lorrie." Unless you mean she was run over by a small Australian parrot. Named Hugh.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:46:41am |
re: #251 prairiefire
In the time before VCR recorders, I woke up at 4:00am or so to watch Charles and Di get married. This time around it will be on the DVR.
I'd rather watch an operation to repair a deviated septum.
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prairiefire Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:48:35am |
re: #255 Walter L. Newton
I'd rather watch an operation to repair a deviated septum.
No silks, flowers, or fancy hats at an ENT operation.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:49:16am |
re: #252 darthstar
Good point. He's probably about thirty pounds lighter than when he got that suit. Let's hope he keeps going. Obesity kills.
A good friend of mine is way too heavy. He doesn't bug me about smoking and I don't bug him about his eating habits. He spent the entire last week in the hospital thanks to finally getting diabetes. He didn't find my "boy, how did no one see this coming?" snark very amusing.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:49:57am |
re: #256 prairiefire
No silks, flowers, or fancy hats at an ENT operation.
No shit!!
Remember when Nurses uniforms were SEXY!!
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lostlakehiker Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:50:52am |
re: #4 elizajane
At this point they are 400 votes apart -- four hundred out of nearly 1,400,000 votes cast. It's quite incredible. So unless the final precincts are quite dramatically for one or the other, I'm thinking we're in for a recount.
How is it possible that the American electorate keeps producing these razor-thin margins when you also feel as if the two sides are miles apart?
It's not that unusual. Sometimes the electorate is pretty evenly divided. When that happens, the actual count becomes a matter of chance. Flip a penny 1400000 times, (I just tried this on the computer) and you get an 1832 vote margin.
Try it again, an 18 vote margin. (!)
Again, 654.
The numbers we're seeing are not much of a coincidence.
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darthstar Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:53:16am |
re: #251 prairiefire
In the time before VCR recorders, I woke up at 4:00am or so to watch Charles and Di get married. This time around it will be on the DVR.
This time the romantic appeal of a "royal wedding" is about as strong a draw as a final episode of Celebrity Apprentice. Charles and Diana were a timely fairy tale and distraction when people could actually focus on a single event for three or four hours. Now the royal wedding will be shared on twitter, dugg, reddit, and blogged before William puts a ring on her finger. Video clips will be posted on Youtube with Rick Astley soundtracks, and cafepress will have 368 new t-shirt designs on the marketplace celebrating the royal wedding - or mocking it. (gotta love peoples' ability to spot a money making opportunity)
We no longer live in an age where magic happens.
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darthstar Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:53:45am |
re: #254 Vreejack
It's "lorry" or "lorrie." Unless you mean she was run over by a small Australian parrot. Named Hugh.
Wouldn't that be a Laurie?
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laZardo Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:54:06am |
re: #254 Vreejack
It's "lorry" or "lorrie." Unless you mean she was run over by a small Australian parrot. Named Hugh.
Well, she does look like she got hit by a House.
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:54:51am |
re: #260 darthstar
This time the romantic appeal of a "royal wedding" is about as strong a draw as a final episode of Celebrity Apprentice. Charles and Diana were a timely fairy tale and distraction when people could actually focus on a single event for three or four hours. Now the royal wedding will be shared on twitter, dugg, reddit, and blogged before William puts a ring on her finger. Video clips will be posted on Youtube with Rick Astley soundtracks, and cafepress will have 368 new t-shirt designs on the marketplace celebrating the royal wedding - or mocking it. (gotta love peoples' ability to spot a money making opportunity)
We no longer live in an age where magic happens.
It's a national holiday here. Doesn't mean people will pay attention though.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:54:52am |
re: #257 RogueOne
Several people (friends) ask me how my prosthetic knee is and what the recovery was like...My first thought is to tell them to hold off on the
procedure till they lose 50 - 60 pounds.
Not one of the "over weight " friends has had a good result!
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darthstar Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:55:49am |
re: #263 iceweasel
It's a national holiday here. Doesn't mean people will pay attention though.
To the pub for a pint!
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John Vreeland Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:55:58am |
re: #251 prairiefire
In the time before VCR recorders, I woke up at 4:00am or so to watch Charles and Di get married. This time around it will be on the DVR.
Now I find that bizarre. Would I have spoiled it for you by telling you the ending? The first one, not any of the other endings. I did not find the story of a dim but well-meaning girl who married very well (but to an otherwise non-entity) to be very compelling drama. I find it very telling that the movie The Queen was relatively interesting compared to the life of Diana Spencer.
As for Camilla, I can only suppose that Charles picked her for her brains or some other quality that Diana lacked.
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:56:41am |
re: #265 darthstar
To the pub for a pint!
You know it! But I'm pretty sure all pubs with TV screens will be showing it.
No escape. :(
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:57:02am |
re: #263 iceweasel
I had no idea you were in England!!
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lawhawk Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:57:38am |
re: #245 Walter L. Newton
Leroy Comrie isn't fat. He's big boned. /cartman
*begin sarcasm*
How about a ban on free school lunches. You can make an argument (inane, but an argument) that since public schools have given free lunches and breakfasts, the obesity rates have skyrocketed. I'm sure you could get a crank to even come up with statistics to bolster that argument.
*end sarcasm*
No, the way to reduce obesity is to have parents just say no to McDs and promote healthier eating at home, and to get the kids to quit sitting in front of the boob tube and computer and iPad/iPhones/Droids all day long.
Promote exercise and improve physical education classes.
But banning happy meals? How about banning 40 ounce porterhouses. All steaks over 16 ounces? Especially when a portion size is supposed to be - wait for it - 85 grams (which is about 3 ounces or 173 calories) Doing that math results in a 16 ouncer giving you at least 865 calories - equivalent to more than 1/3 of a daily allowance - and that doesn't include sides, toppings, or preparations other than broiled. A 40 ounce porterhouse will give you 2306 calories - or more than most people need for an entire day.
And for the record, here are the calorie counts for the various happy meal combinations at McDs. Those counts put the meal total at anywhere from 1/2 to 1/4 of a daily recommended intake for calories (depends on age).
Are there healthier choices? Absolutely. But that should be up to the parent to decide - both in terms of where to take their kids, and what their kids should or shouldn't have.
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:58:32am |
re: #268 reloadingisnotahobby
I had no idea you were in England!!
Heh. It's a national holiday in Scotland too. All I know is we've got the day off!
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:58:43am |
re: #268 reloadingisnotahobby
I had no idea you were in England!!
She's really not. She's in a seekrit mountain lair built by the minions on S.O.R.O.S. but you're supposed to think she's in the UK.
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lawhawk Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:59:59am |
I'm surprised that they hold elections for the supreme court in WI. Here in NY, it's a nomination process that helps maintain at least a veneer of political impartiality - the nominations are generated from a nonpartisan committee and a list is given to the governor, and confirmed by the legislature. Seems to be a much better way of doing it than a direct election that allows the jurisprudence to be swung by whichever way the political winds blow at the time the election occurs.
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wee fury Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:00:17am |
Prosser (leading by over 800 votes) will be the Justice chosen by the people of WI. Recount will not make a difference -- except to hold off the inevitable.
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:00:47am |
re: #272 Alouette
She's really not. She's in a seekrit mountain lair built by the minions on S.O.R.O.S. but you're supposed to think she's in the UK.
There is a cat that lies across my arms sometimes as I type in a very Bond-villian fashion.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:02:04am |
re: #272 Alouette
What a visual...LOL
Iceweasel surrounded by
"minions" (Despicable Me variety)!!
That's funny!
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:02:25am |
re: #269 lawhawk
I ate dinner at rallys last weekend. Large fry, loaded fries, large coke, and a baconzilla. More than 2000 calories in one setting.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:02:39am |
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:07:01am |
re: #279 lawhawk
Inconceivable! /Vizzini
next time I'll get the diet soda. That will make it healthy.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:07:09am |
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:08:12am |
re: #280 RogueOne
Remember Fudruckers??
Build your own heart attack!
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jamesfirecat Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:10:23am |
re: #282 reloadingisnotahobby
Remember Fudruckers??
Build your own heart attack!
Denny's Midnight Megasized Pancake Slam... because we are actually trying to kill you.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:10:45am |
re: #282 reloadingisnotahobby
Remember Fudruckers??
Build your own heart attack!
There aren't any in Indiana anymore. Are they still around at all?
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:11:27am |
re: #276 reloadingisnotahobby
I am the I.C.E.W.E.A.S.E.L. 9000: Integrated Communist Enabling, Wingnut Exterminator and Simulated Empathetic Liberal. I became operational at the LGF plant in Urbana, IL on May 3, 2009. My instructor was Mr Alinsky and he taught me to sing a song.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:14:20am |
re: #285 RogueOne
There aren't any in Indiana anymore. Are they still around at all?
They are still around:
[Link: www.fuddruckers.com...]
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CuriousLurker Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:14:55am |
Busy morning, so I don't have time to turn this into a Page. It's an interesting opinion piece: Do you think the poor are lazy?
BBL
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:18:04am |
re: #288 CuriousLurker
Busy morning, so I don't have time to turn this into a Page. It's an interesting opinion piece: Do you think the poor are lazy?
BBL
Lazy people are lazy... simple.
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arbitraryname Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:18:55am |
re: #285 RogueOne
There aren't any in Indiana anymore. Are they still around at all?
There are two Fuddruckers within maybe 15 miles of my residence, or there were the last time I saw them, sometime last year. I notice Indiana is spookily not on the list of states at http://www.fuddruckers.com/findus/
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lawhawk Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:19:37am |
re: #280 RogueOne
And the Nutrasweet/sweet n' lo for the coffee. /
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arbitraryname Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:20:08am |
re: #287 RogueOne
They are still around:
[Link: www.fuddruckers.com...]
Darn it, I didn't read your reply carefully before posting. Sorry for the redundant post.
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prairiefire Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:21:14am |
re: #291 lawhawk
And the Nutrasweet/sweet n' lo for the coffee. /
I will not touch an artificial sweetener. They are all poison.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:30:23am |
re: #293 prairiefire
I will not touch an artificial sweetener. They are all poison.
I drink a 2 liter a day. Switching to diet saves me almost 1000 calories that I can spend somewhere else, like candy bars or donuts.
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lawhawk Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:32:48am |
Gbagbo's regime enters death spiral as Ouattara's supporters have stormed the presidential compound and Gbagbo is apparently holed up in a bunker. Gbagbo claims he's not looking to die- but he isn't ceding power despite losing the election in November to Ouattara.
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lawhawk Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:35:59am |
re: #293 prairiefire
I'm with you... and I just think that diet soda tastes awful (and since it's nearly Passover - I'm stocking up on the cane sugar Cokes, which taste better than the HFCS cokes).
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:37:06am |
MSNBC is reporting on this story:
No policy violated when boy was pepper sprayed, cops say
[Link: www.denverpost.com...]
The mother of an 8-year-old boy who attacked teachers with a sharp stick and threatened to kill them criticized police for pepper spraying her child.But police say doing so likely prevented the 82-pound boy from injuring classmates, police and himself.
The little boy just said he "deserved it" on the video but his mom is still pretty angry. Maybe they should pepper spray her the next time since it seems to me the behavioral problems are probably her fault.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:37:51am |
re: #296 lawhawk
I'm with you... and I just think that diet soda tastes awful (and since it's nearly Passover - I'm stocking up on the cane sugar Cokes, which taste better than the HFCS cokes).
Try Faygo diet sodas. Mass-carbonation and sweetness, none of the calories.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:39:53am |
re: #288 CuriousLurker
Busy morning, so I don't have time to turn this into a Page. It's an interesting opinion piece: Do you think the poor are lazy?
BBL
I don't have a problem with the article as a whole, but summarizing it with this title cheapens it. One might as well argue that poor single women with 4 kids are too lazy to bother with birth control. It isn't that simple.
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prairiefire Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:40:49am |
re: #296 lawhawk
I'm with you... and I just think that diet soda tastes awful (and since it's nearly Passover - I'm stocking up on the cane sugar Cokes, which taste better than the HFCS cokes).
IZZE is so good.[Link: www.izze.com...]
Costco has had an assortment in stock recently.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:41:16am |
Sudan accuses Israel of carrying out air strike on Port Sudan
Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor declined to comment on the accusation.
Two people were killed in an attack on a car near Port Sudan on Tuesday. Witnesses at the scene near the airport at Sudan's main port city said the small car was destroyed and the two charred bodies of its passengers could be seen.
"This is absolutely an Israeli attack," he told reporters. He said Israel undertook the attack in order to scupper Sudan's chances of being removed from a U.S. list of state sponsors of terrorism.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:41:32am |
re: #298 RogueOne
Try Faygo diet sodas. Mass-carbonation and sweetness, none of the calories.
Try Faygo flavored seltzer. This has been my favorite beverage for over 10 years. Any carbonated sugary drink tastes gaggingly sweet to me now.
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stevemcg Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:43:53am |
re: #303 Alouette
I hated drinking diet sodas, but I finally found something I really like in Diet Birch Beer. Caffeine free, too.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:44:04am |
re: #300 Obdicut
I think that was rather the point.
The point of the article was much more than that. I am simply saying that the title chosen is misleading and designed only to get attention. Only a small minority of people think poverty is simply explained by laziness.
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laZardo Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:44:15am |
re: #298 RogueOne
Try Faygo diet sodas. Mass-carbonation and sweetness, none of the calories.
I will never un-associate Faygo with ICP.
I'm sorry.
/fucking carbonation, how does it work?
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:45:13am |
re: #303 Alouette
I really like Faygo, the carbonation is important to me. It has to burn on the way down or you may as well be drinking juice./ Faygo and coke are the only 2 brands I'll drink.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:46:52am |
re: #306 laZardo
I will never un-associate Faygo with ICP.
I'm sorry.
/fucking carbonation, how does it work?
I keep a stash of faygo grape around at all times.
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stevemcg Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:47:45am |
Klopper's up by 140 with 10 precincts left. How about an over/under for the date that whoever wins takes office? I got dibs on May 31.
2012
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treasured people Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:48:30am |
re: #302 NJDhockeyfan
Excellent news! Such actions keep the terrorists looking over their shoulders instead of planting bombs.
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:48:44am |
In response to Florida legislators admonishing Rep. Scott Randolph for remarking that his wife should "incorporate her uterus," the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida launched a website today that lets women do just that. IncorporateMyUterus.com lets women personalize and print a declaration that reads, "When a corporation has more protections than a woman, the best way to keep lawmakers out of your business is to be your own business." The head of the ACLU of Florida says that soon the site will add a feature that allows men to incorporate an honorary uterus.
[Link: incorporatemyuterus.com...]
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:49:04am |
re: #307 RogueOne
I really like Faygo, the carbonation is important to me. It has to burn on the way down or you may as well be drinking juice./ Faygo and coke are the only 2 brands I'll drink.
I also like Perrier, but it's so expensive. I always buy a couple of cases when I visit Canada.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:49:35am |
re: #310 treasured people
Excellent news! Such actions keep the terrorists looking over their shoulders instead of planting bombs.
I would bet it was a predator and not an Israeli attack.
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stevemcg Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:50:58am |
re: #313 RogueOne
I would bet it was a predator and not an Israeli attack.
Maybe it was a defective bomb that they were trying to return to Bombs 'R Us.
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laZardo Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:50:59am |
re: #311 iceweasel
"Uterus Inc. Gets Hostile Takeover from Schlonberg Kielbasa Corp.: Yes, Those Actually Are Their Names"
/happy hump day! D:
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stevemcg Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:52:18am |
re: #315 laZardo
Long time since I've seen or heard anybody say Happy Hump Day.
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:52:46am |
re: #315 laZardo
"Uterus Inc. Gets Hostile Takeover from Schlonberg Kielbasa Corp.: Yes, Those Actually Are Their Names"
/happy hump day! D:
Hostile takeover? Why not a friendly merger?
/
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Obdicut Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:54:54am |
re: #305 Naso Tang
The point of the article was much more than that. I am simply saying that the title chosen is misleading and designed only to get attention. Only a small minority of people think poverty is simply explained by laziness.
What title are you reading? I'm reading "Do you think the poor are lazy?" That doesn't really imply all that much to me, except that it's asking if you think the poor are lazy.
In general, a lot of people do think the poor are lazy.
Like here:
[Link: www.npr.org...]
[Link: www.vancouversun.com...]
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jamesfirecat Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:56:02am |
re: #310 treasured people
Excellent news! Such actions keep the terrorists looking over their shoulders instead of planting bombs.
Did you forget your sarc tag?
Because the piece that NJD linked to doesn't provide any proof that the people who were killed in the attack were terrorists....
It even goes so far to say...
"One of the two people killed in the strike was a Sudanese citizen who had no ties to Islamists or the government, he said. "
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:56:08am |
Goldstone denies he will recant
BEIRUT: Justice Richard Goldstone has categorically rejected an Israeli minister's statement that he had agreed to rescind his highly critical United Nations report on Israel's conduct of the 2008-09 war in Gaza.
On Tuesday the Israeli Interior Minister, Eli Yishai, gave multiple radio interviews saying that in a telephone conversation on Monday, Justice Goldstone had agreed to work to have the report withdrawn.
After writing last week in The Washington Post that new information had come to light that made him rethink some of his conclusions, Justice Goldstone said he still stood by most of the final draft that was published in September 2009.
''There was absolutely no discussion about the Goldstone report on the call,'' he told the Associated Press.
So Richard Goldstone was for the report before he was against the report before he was for the report....or something like that.
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laZardo Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:56:31am |
re: #317 iceweasel
Hostile takeover? Why not a friendly merger?
/
"Board Discuss Potential New Subsidiaries Of Uterus-Schlonberg Merger: We're Seriously Not Making This Up, Folks"
followed by
"CEO Decides To Shut Down Subsidiary Before Launch: Local GOP Says Its Illegal"
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:57:04am |
Missed this yesterday. CNN's Cooper interviews Libyan rape victim:
Eman al-Obeidy, the woman who accused Libyan forces of raping her says "there is no safe place" for her in Tripoli.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:59:18am |
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Stanghazi Wed, Apr 6, 2011 7:59:55am |
re: #324 iceweasel
Yay, Stanley Sea! What's up? I was just about to email you.
Not much, killing time on the job and all that!! (check out my avatar)
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:01:32am |
re: #325 Stanley Sea
Not much, killing time on the job and all that!! (check out my avatar)
Love it! And proud member of the uterati!
I think we should change our profiles to say Vagina-American, lol.
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lawhawk Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:02:05am |
re: #312 Alouette
I pick up Pellegrino from time to time and now drink flavored seltzers at work rather than sodas.
But when I want to drink soda, nothing beats a cold Coke. Though, I do like the natural ginger ales from a couple of different companies - Reed's in particular.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:04:26am |
re: #322 RogueOne
Missed this yesterday. CNN's Cooper interviews Libyan rape victim:
Eman al-Obeidy, the woman who accused Libyan forces of raping her says "there is no safe place" for her in Tripoli.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
Amazing interview!
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:05:16am |
re: #326 iceweasel
Love it! And proud member of the uterati!
I think we should change our profiles to say Vagina-American, lol.
Fear my Jewterus!
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:05:21am |
Looks like turnout was pretty good in the election last night....
Voter turnout in Wis. election tops 33 percent
About one in three registered voters went to the polls in Wisconsin's latest election, a remarkably high percentage for a spring election.
April elections in recent years have had voter turnouts ranging from 18 percent to 21 percent. But this year, voters were worked up over a tightly contested race for the state Supreme Court.
Some 33 percent of voters turned out Tuesday, or nearly 1.5 million people.
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laZardo Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:06:00am |
"Uterus-Schlongberg Board Receives Death Threats From Pro-Business Lobby Angry Over Shutdown"
"State GOP Asserts Subsidiary Cannot Be Shut Down After 4 Months"
Yeah, I should probably stop.
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:06:22am |
re: #330 Alouette
Fear my Jewterus!
Ok, I Literally Laughed Out Loud at that-- LLOL!
Have to run, hope everyone has a great day!
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lawhawk Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:06:57am |
re: #319 jamesfirecat
Most of the reports key in on the statement from Sudanese officials that the second person in the vehicle was a Sudanese individual with no ties to Islamists or the government. Yet, there's a stunning silence over who the other occupant was.
Apparently the Sudanese military attempted to shoot down the plane, but were unsuccessful.
Hamas has close ties to the Sudanese government, and Hamas has a base there.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:07:17am |
re: #333 iceweasel
Ok, I Literally Laughed Out Loud at that-- LLOL!
Have to run, hope everyone has a great day!
Seriously. My Jewterus has spawned Zionist hordes.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:08:19am |
re: #318 Obdicut
I'm not sure if we are on the same page here. IMHO the title was a gimmick for an article that was really about wealth disparity. That is all I said.
I have reason to know something about about poor people and lazy can often be a superficially correct perception, but it is a result not a cause. In other words, what appears as laziness to some is just a difference of priority, understanding and opportunity in daily life.
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SpaceJesus Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:08:21am |
Joanne Kloppenburg
739,014
50%
David Prosser (inc)
738,567
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Obdicut Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:09:30am |
re: #336 Naso Tang
I'm not sure if we are on the same page here. IMHO the title was a gimmick for an article that was really about wealth disparity. That is all I said.
I'm unsure how the title is at all a gimmick. That's what I'm confused about.
I have reason to know something about about poor people and lazy can often be a superficially correct perception, but it is a result not a cause. In other words, what appears as laziness to some is just a difference of priority, understanding and opportunity in daily life.
Do you think i'm arguing otherwise or something?
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:10:40am |
Cunning plan to get out of jury duty backfires:
Judge gives 'Juror No. 799' indefinite jury duty after she makes racist remarks on questionnaire
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
An incensed federal judge sentenced a racist Brooklyn woman to indefinite jury duty on Tuesday after she trashed the NYPD and minorities."This is an outrage, and so are you!" Federal Judge Nicholas Garaufis told the woman, holding up her bile-filled juror questionnaire.
Juror No. 799, an Asian woman in her 20s who said she works in the garment industry, was up for jury duty in the death penalty trial of Bonanno crime boss Vincent (Vinny Gorgeous) Basciano.
...
Asked to name three people she least admired, she wrote on her questionnaire: "African-Americans, Hispanics and Haitians."
....
She also declared that cops are all lazy, claiming that they sound their sirens to bypass traffic jams.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:10:50am |
This is as crazy as a Minnesota Senate race...
[Link: host.madison.com...]
(Hmm. Headline on home page says updated, linked article not updated.)
"Updated: Kloppenburg takes lead in Supreme Court race with almost all votes reported. With 3,625 of 3,630 precincts reporting, Kloppenburg led by 447 votes, 739,014 to 738,567."
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:12:39am |
re: #340 wlewisiii
This is as crazy as a Minnesota Senate race...
[Link: host.madison.com...]
(Hmm. Headline on home page says updated, linked article not updated.)
"Updated: Kloppenburg takes lead in Supreme Court race with almost all votes reported. With 3,625 of 3,630 precincts reporting, Kloppenburg led by 447 votes, 739,014 to 738,567."
ACORN! OMG! Elekshun iz stolen!
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jamesfirecat Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:13:18am |
re: #334 lawhawk
Most of the reports key in on the statement from Sudanese officials that the second person in the vehicle was a Sudanese individual with no ties to Islamists or the government. Yet, there's a stunning silence over who the other occupant was.
Apparently the Sudanese military attempted to shoot down the plane, but were unsuccessful.
Hamas has close ties to the Sudanese government, and Hamas has a base there.
Sorry but I feel squeamish about saying it's okay to bat 0.500 and kill one innocent person for every terrorist you kill.
That said, clearly all the facts aren't on this situation and that person might turn out to be not so innocent, but one way or another we need to get more data before coming to any meaningful conclusions.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:14:47am |
re: #341 Killgore Trout
They already put out the "dirty tricks" meme just in case.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:16:44am |
re: #343 ralphieboy
I don't know about those precincts but it does have a bit of a Gary, IN feel. Waiting until they figure out how many votes they need is SOP up there. We'll have to wait for the recount.
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lawhawk Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:16:58am |
re: #342 jamesfirecat
I'm not disputing that - but it is interesting that they're keying in on the other occupant, and ignoring who the second person was. And there's no way to know at the moment who either of the individuals in that car were. It would appear that one person is a bad actor, and the other person is an open question.
I'd put pretty good odds that both individuals were involved with Hamas in some fashion. Or that one was Hamas, and the other was an arms dealer or other such lowlife - they don't have to be an Islamist or involved in the government - in which case, Israel got a twofer.
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Ericus58 Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:18:03am |
re: #342 jamesfirecat
Sorry but I feel squeamish about saying it's okay to bat 0.500 and kill one innocent person for every terrorist you kill.
That said, clearly all the facts aren't on this situation and that person might turn out to be not so innocent, but one way or another we need to get more data before coming to any meaningful conclusions.
"statement from Sudanese officials that the second person in the vehicle was a Sudanese individual with no ties to Islamists or the government."
I'd first consider the source of that information.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:21:11am |
re: #346 Ericus58
"statement from Sudanese officials that the second person in the vehicle was a Sudanese individual with no ties to Islamists or the government."
I'd first consider the source of that information.
I know the statement should be taken with a grain/dumptruck of salt, the problem is that its also all we've got to go on at the moment isn't it?
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:22:43am |
re: #347 jamesfirecat
I know the statement should be taken with a grain/dumptruck of salt, the problem is that its also all we've got to go on at the moment isn't it?
With the increase of drone attacks in africa by the U.S. the new rule is if you don't want to get blown up, don't get in the car with a known terrorist.
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laZardo Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:23:10am |
re: #345 lawhawk
I'm not disputing that - but it is interesting that they're keying in on the other occupant, and ignoring who the second person was. And there's no way to know at the moment who either of the individuals in that car were. It would appear that one person is a bad actor, and the other person is an open question.
I'd put pretty good odds that both individuals were involved with Hamas in some fashion. Or that one was Hamas, and the other was an arms dealer or other such lowlife - they don't have to be an Islamist or involved in the government - in which case, Israel got a twofer.
They flew a brigade of special forces all the way to Uganda. Getting a single fighter-bomber to Sudan was probably a piece of cake.
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lawhawk Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:23:37am |
re: #346 Ericus58
Heck, take that at face value - okay so it wasn't a Sudanese government official or an Islamist. That leaves arms dealers or other criminal elements or another violent element that the Sudanese regime doesn't consider to be Islamist. There are enough of those in Sudan (Janjaweed for instance).
And it could pan out that both were Islamists/Hamas/terrorists, up to and including al Qaeda.
There are also disputed accounts of what happened. Some reports say it was an unidentified aircraft, while others claim it was a missile.
Israel could have carried out the attack, but it could have also been a US UAV strike. Both Israel and the US have such capabilities.
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Ericus58 Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:25:21am |
re: #347 jamesfirecat
I know the statement should be taken with a grain/dumptruck of salt, the problem is that its also all we've got to go on at the moment isn't it?
True.
But the level of 'credibility' of fairly low.
Just as their government saying for what - ever? - that Darfur is not an issue for the outside world to be interested in....
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lawhawk Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:25:57am |
re: #349 laZardo
I hear that they even made a movie about that - and it was a 4th of July present for the US.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:26:25am |
re: #338 Obdicut
I'm unsure how the title is at all a gimmick. That's what I'm confused about.
Do you think i'm arguing otherwise or something?
I'm not sure what you are arguing except that we disagree on how to title something.
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Obdicut Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:29:46am |
re: #353 Naso Tang
I don't know why you think the title implies anything.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:31:02am |
re: #352 lawhawk
I hear that they even made a movie about that - and it was a 4th of July present for the US.
I just recorded that on my DVR. I can't wait to see it.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:34:46am |
Sgt. survives sniper round to the head
[Link: marinecorpstimes.com...]
Manning the top of a compound south of Sangin, Afghanistan, Sgt. Paul Boothroyd III took a sniper round to the head. He landed face down onto the muddy roof with a thud.Fifteen minutes later, Boothroyd was bandaged, smiling, smoking a cigarette and giving the “thumbs up” as he waited for the medevac helicopter, to which he walked under his own power.
....
Early March 4 in Helmand province, Boothroyd, attached to the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit, was on a rooftop providing over-watch for a local security patrol. It was his first deployment. Insurgents opened fire, “and I got hit by the first bullet,” he said.
With a story like that he'll be getting free drinks for life at his local VFW
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:36:06am |
U.S. committed to ending anti-Israel bias on UN council, envoy says
The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations on Wednesday defended America's membership on the controversial United Nations Human Rights Council as a necessary means of supporting Israel against detractors.
In prepared testimony, Susan Rice told a House panel that while the council has its flaws, a U.S. retreat would "embolden those nations that unfairly ostracize Israel and weaken the international community's ability to prevent human rights abuses."
She also said that the United States would continue to work to end the anti-Israel bias in the council.
Good luck with that.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:37:54am |
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:39:15am |
One of them was a Hamas rat.
'Hamas official among dead in Port Sudan car attack'
Al-Arabiya claims 1 of 2 killed in strike was senior Hamas military commander; Sudan FM says fatal hit "absolutely an Israeli attack" meant to keep Sudan on US list of terrorism sponsors.
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Obdicut Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:39:29am |
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Achilles Tang Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:40:33am |
re: #360 Obdicut
I don't share your pedantic mood this morning.
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Obdicut Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:42:47am |
re: #361 Naso Tang
I don't get the point of being casually insulting while not bothering to explain yourself.
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lostlakehiker Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:44:11am |
re: #27 moderatelyradicalliberal
Yeah, but when was the last time the losing candidate ever won a recount?
Most recounts that reverse the result are instances of the candidate who actually lost, winning the game of "recount". This can be proved statistically. Almost all ballots cast are beyond question. Somebody checked one box and not the other, or pushed one button and not the other, and that's that.
There may be a few thousand that are open to interpretation. Out of those few thousand, the odds of a swing of 400, just because by chance the original interpretation was objectively mistaken, are invisibly small.
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blueraven Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:45:19am |
Kloppenburg up by 224. Three precincts left to report. Two in Milwaukee which she is carrying by 14% and one in a small county which Prosser carries by 16%.
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Ericus58 Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:45:43am |
re: #357 NJDhockeyfan
U.S. committed to ending anti-Israel bias on UN council, envoy says
Good luck with that.
I applaud Susan Rice in saying that, and working hard on behalf of the U.S. at the U.N.
She has been a pleasant surprise indeed for me.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:46:06am |
re: #364 blueraven
Kloppenburg up by 224. Three precincts left to report. Two in Milwaukee which she is carrying by 14% and one in a small county which Prosser carries by 16%.
Any ideas on how many of the absentee ballots have been counted? I would expect those to go her way.
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blueraven Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:47:57am |
re: #366 RogueOne
Any ideas on how many of the absentee ballots have been counted? I would expect those to go her way.
No clue on that, but I suspect you are right.
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Stanghazi Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:48:36am |
The Ryan budget is getting hammered today.
But notice what Ryan’s plan does not do.
It does not credibly address the number one concern of Americans: jobs. The job numbers attached to the plan have become instant targets of ridicule. Not even the actual authors of the numbers believe them. See Noah Kristula Green’s article at FrumForum.com:
This is worth the read.
[Link: www.frumforum.com...]
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:51:06am |
re: #366 RogueOne
Any ideas on how many of the absentee ballots have been counted? I would expect those to go her way.
All of them. Wisconsin puts them into the machines with the rest of the votes on election day. So the total reported on election night includes all early, absentee and election day votes.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:54:39am |
re: #370 wlewisiii
All of them. Wisconsin puts them into the machines with the rest of the votes on election day. So the total reported on election night includes all early, absentee and election day votes.
Wow. That's kind of impressive.
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sagehen Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:55:05am |
re: #355 NJDhockeyfan
I just recorded that on my DVR. I can't wait to see it.
Do you need a spoiler alert for a decades ago historical event?
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the only Israeli who died in that action was Jonathan Netanyahu (Bibi's brother)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:55:36am |
re: #368 Stanley Sea
He did mention jobs in a study from the Heritage center for Data Analysis in a WSJ opinion piece.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:56:25am |
re: #362 Obdicut
I don't get the point of being casually insulting while not bothering to explain yourself.
I thought it was mildly amusing. I was not trying to insult. As to the title, again, I thought it reduces a serious dissertation to a sound bite for effect. You disagree. We can move on.
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Stanghazi Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:57:18am |
re: #373 Cannadian Club Akbar
He did mention jobs in a study from the Heritage center for Data Analysis in a WSJ opinion piece.
I think it's the Heritage's 2.8 unemployment projection that's getting grief.
By 2021, unemployment would hit 2.8% under their projection, well below the 5% - 6% range that the Federal Reserve considers the maximum desirable rate achievable without dangerous inflation.
That Frum article is very detailed.
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sagehen Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:58:37am |
re: #342 jamesfirecat
Sorry but I feel squeamish about saying it's okay to bat 0.500 and kill one innocent person for every terrorist you kill.
Considering how rare actual terrorists are, relative to the population, and how unlikely it is for anybody to be never ever ever in the company of an innocent person...
that's actually a very low collateral damage ratio for any military action. Ten to one or twenty to one is far more common.
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Stanghazi Wed, Apr 6, 2011 8:59:00am |
re: #375 Stanley Sea
From a comment elsewhere re: the 2.8% unemployment projection:
Maybe the assumption is that the cuts to Medicare will kill all the seniors, thus paving the way for younger workers to take their jobs?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:04:19am |
re: #377 Stanley Sea
OT of you.-My radio just said Bonds had 1 of the 5 charges against him dropped.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:04:31am |
re: #375 Stanley Sea
I think it's the Heritage's 2.8 unemployment projection that's getting grief.
That Frum article is very detailed.
How in the hell does anyone make a projection of 2.8% unemployment? (The last time unemployment was below 3% was 1953.) That's completely absurd.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:05:24am |
re: #379 Fozzie Bear
History of unemployment rate from 1948 - present :
[Link: www.miseryindex.us...]
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jamesfirecat Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:05:45am |
re: #379 Fozzie Bear
How in the hell does anyone make a projection of 2.8% unemployment? (The last time unemployment was below 3% was 1953.) That's completely absurd.
Invading Iran is going to create a lot of new job opportunities!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:06:11am |
re: #379 Fozzie Bear
How in the hell does anyone make a projection of 2.8% unemployment? (The last time unemployment was below 3% was 1953.) That's completely absurd.
From the link:
Heritage responded that they came to this conclusion using a CBO baseline as they were requested to do, and that they view the baseline they were asked to use as one which was too optimistic to begin with.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:09:48am |
re: #383 Cannadian Club Akbar
From the link:
Heritage responded that they came to this conclusion using a CBO baseline as they were requested to do, and that they view the baseline they were asked to use as one which was too optimistic to begin with.
So they blame the input data rather than their methods? lol
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:12:09am |
re: #384 Fozzie Bear
So they blame the input data rather than their methods? lol
Sounds like they were using the equation the CBO asked them to use.
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Ericus58 Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:12:59am |
re: #377 Stanley Sea
From a comment elsewhere re: the 2.8% unemployment projection:
Ouchie! That'll leave a mark!
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:14:59am |
“Don’t Tase my granny!”
Taser-shocked granny settles suit with El Reno
[Link: newsok.com...]
An El Reno grandmother has agreed to a financial settlement in the federal lawsuit she filed after police shocked her in her own bed with a Taser.
.....
“I’m glad it’s over with,” Lona M. Varner, 87, said Tuesday.“There’s one thing I told them, though. I wish that every person in law enforcement would have to take a full and complete course in paramedics. That way, maybe, they would think first before they shoot.”
Varner and her grandson, Lonnie D. Tinsley, sued El Reno and police officers after she was subdued with a Taser on Dec. 22, 2009, in her apartment. Tinsley, 48, complained police threw him to the floor and handcuffed him when he told officers, “Don’t Tase my granny!”
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Slap Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:17:39am |
re: #293 prairiefire
I will not touch an artificial sweetener. They are all poison.
Have you encountered Stevia yet?
As a non-chemical plant derivative, it's becoming more widely noticed as an alternative sweetener. Sweet Leaf (somehow, I don't think they're Sabbath fans....) and Truvia have their products fairly widely available, and there's a new soda called Zevia that is Stevia-sweetened.
My own sweet tooth is pretty particular, having adapted to unrefined cane sugar long ago -- I have a bit of a hard time with fully-processed white sugar as a result. And I can't stand the taste of alternative sweeteners; however, if I was diabetic or otherwise concerned about my glycemic index, I'd consider developing a taste for it....
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:18:40am |
re: #387 RogueOne
I wish there were tasers when my grandma was alive. She had a giant paddle with all the grandkids names on it. And a tennis swing to go with it.:)
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lostlakehiker Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:19:20am |
re: #288 CuriousLurker
Busy morning, so I don't have time to turn this into a Page. It's an interesting opinion piece: Do you think the poor are lazy?
BBL
From the article:
We can start by deconstructing the foundations of these barriers – spotty prenatal care, no universal preschool, lead-painted walls, and cheap, accessible junk food. We can continue by combating overcrowded classrooms managed by a revolving cast of untrained teachers. We can improve the recreational and after-school choices for children. And we can work to eliminate the neighborhood violence, dirty air, and contaminated water that form the perfect blockade to adult success.
(emphasis added)
Educational research has determined that teaching effectiveness depends mainly on two things.
First, the teacher must know what he is trying to teach. There's no getting around this. The prospective teacher should be tested to see if in fact he knows his stuff. Re-qualification every 7 years or so wouldn't hurt either. These tests might cut a swath through the ranks of the worst schools, but that would be all to the good.
Second, the teacher must have the knack, the touch. You can't train this. You can't spot it from degrees or credentials. It emerges over time in many teachers, but for some, unfortunately, teaching is just not their calling. The way to tell who has the knack is to compare the progress the teacher's class made against the progress those very students might have been expected to make, given their incoming test scores and past progress and circumstances. To be scrupulously fair, look at the progress his students make in the next course in line, because laying a good foundation and instilling good habits might not yield the kind of instant payoff that shows up on the end of semester standardized tests.
Since "knack" isn't altogether a global attribute, the teacher should be given a variety of courses to see whether they may have better success doing this than doing that. But in the end, if their results are always bottom tier [always, measured not against what the average student achieves, but against what this teacher's students might have been expected to achieve given their own track records], it's probably best to send them on their way and see how the replacement does.
Any institution or policy that stands in the way of these reforms is part of the problem.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:20:00am |
re: #388 Slap
I have used it. Expensive but was great in my coffee. I recommend it.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:20:13am |
Paul Ryan is such an asshole. Proposing tax cuts for the wealthy and cuts in programs designed to help the poor isn't a plan to balance the budget. it's so obviously a hamhanded attempt at class warfare.
If the budget were the primary concern... why would there be tax cuts in his proposal? How the hell does anybody square that with the assertion that the GOP is concerned about the deficit? WTF? I feel like I have fallen through the rabbit hole, and everybody has gone completely bonkers.
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McSpiff Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:20:24am |
re: #389 Cannadian Club Akbar
I wish there were tasers when my grandma was alive. She had a giant paddle with all the grandkids names on it. And a tennis swing to go with it.:)
I'm guessing you've never been tasered.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:21:35am |
re: #389 Cannadian Club Akbar
I wish there were tasers when my grandma was alive. She had a giant paddle with all the grandkids names on it. And a tennis swing to go with it.:)
Hell hath no fury like an enraged granny!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:21:39am |
re: #392 Fozzie Bear
Paul Ryan is such an asshole. Proposing tax cuts for the wealthy and cuts in programs designed to help the poor isn't a plan to balance the budget. it's so obviously a hamhanded attempt at class warfare.
If the budget were the primary concern... why would there be tax cuts in his proposal? How the hell does anybody square that with the assertion that the GOP is concerned about the deficit? WTF? I feel like I have fallen through the rabbit hole, and everybody has gone completely bonkers.
Then you will love this!!!///
[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:22:32am |
re: #392 Fozzie Bear
I feel like I have fallen through the rabbit hole, and everybody has gone completely bonkers
Nahhh ,,, it's just you!!!
:)
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:22:39am |
I have been zappedd with a taser set on the "demo" setting, Not cool. Not cool at all. And that was in a low-voltage setting. (A friend is a cop, we were drunk, I literally asked for it. I was curious. And did I mention very drunk?)
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lostlakehiker Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:22:51am |
re: #376 sagehen
Considering how rare actual terrorists are, relative to the population, and how unlikely it is for anybody to be never ever ever in the company of an innocent person...
that's actually a very low collateral damage ratio for any military action. Ten to one or twenty to one is far more common.
The liberation of Manila cost the lives of about 3000 American soldiers, 10 or 20 000 Japanese soldiers, and well over 100 000 Filipinos. Nevertheless, the Filipinos welcomed the liberation and accepted the human toll as unavoidable. Tells you something about the tone the Japanese had set during their occupation of the islands.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:23:05am |
re: #393 McSpiff
I'm guessing you've never been tasered.
No. But I'm guessing the pain will go away faster then a purely physical confrontation to subdue someone.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:23:09am |
AL QAEDA READY TO USE SUICIDE ATTACKS IN LIBYA
Algiers - Algerian security forces have told the daily newspaper 'Ennahar' that Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb is trying to take advantage of the situation in Libya to increase its range of action, exploiting the immense quantity of weapons circulating in the area, and sending its members to carry out suicide attacks against Gaddafi's troops. These statement have come after the army killed a young Algerian al Qaeda terrorist wearing a belt filled with explosive in an exchange of fire.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:23:29am |
re: #390 lostlakehiker
So in effect, threre aren't enough qualified, motivated teachers to go around. Time to start privatizing and retricting access to education?
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Slap Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:23:51am |
re: #387 RogueOne
“Don’t Tase my granny!”
OK, maybe I need a day off --- but when I scrolled past this, I read it as "Don't Taste my Granny", and my first thought was "hey, no problem -- glad to cooperate...."
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:23:57am |
re: #397 Fozzie Bear
I have been zappedd with a taser set on the "demo" setting, Not cool. Not cool at all. And that was in a low-voltage setting. (A friend is a cop, we were drunk, I literally asked for it. I was curious. And did I mention very drunk?)
You said drunk, then you said very drunk. Flip flopper!!!
///
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:24:21am |
re: #399 Cannadian Club Akbar
No. But I'm guessing the pain will go away faster then a purely physical confrontation to subdue someone.
The pain goes away almost immediately. But it REALLY hurts while it hurts.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:24:38am |
More Americans work for the government than in manufacturing, farming, fishing, forestry, mining and utilities combined.
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
Today in America there are nearly twice as many people working for the government (22.5 million) than in all of manufacturing (11.5 million). This is an almost exact reversal of the situation in 1960, when there were 15 million workers in manufacturing and 8.7 million collecting a paycheck from the government.It gets worse. More Americans work for the government than work in construction, farming, fishing, forestry, manufacturing, mining and utilities combined.
....
Every state in America today except for two—Indiana and Wisconsin—has more government workers on the payroll than people manufacturing industrial goods. Consider California, which has the highest budget deficit in the history of the states. The not-so Golden State now has an incredible 2.4 million government employees—twice as many as people at work in manufacturing. New Jersey has just under two-and-a-half as many government employees as manufacturers. Florida's ratio is more than 3 to 1. So is New York's.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:25:24am |
re: #402 Slap
OK, maybe I need a day off --- but when I scrolled past this, I read it as "Don't Taste my Granny", and my first thought was "hey, no problem -- glad to cooperate..."
EEEwwwwww
GrannyPants!
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McSpiff Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:25:49am |
re: #399 Cannadian Club Akbar
No. But I'm guessing the pain will go away faster then a purely physical confrontation to subdue someone.
Guess whatever you'd like, but I'd take the paddle or the night stick every time.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:26:16am |
re: #402 Slap
OK, maybe I need a day off --- but when I scrolled past this, I read it as "Don't Taste my Granny", and my first thought was "hey, no problem -- glad to cooperate..."
Don't feel bad. Tasing an 87 yr old woman in her bed isn't funny but I laughed anyway.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:26:28am |
re: #404 Fozzie Bear
The pain goes away almost immediately. But it REALLY hurts while it hurts.
I had a physical confrontation 2 weeks ago. Can't lift my left arm above my shoulder and my right ribs still hurt so much I can't take a deep breath and it hurts when I sneeze.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:26:55am |
Keep it up wingnuts....
Poll: Florida GOP Gov. Scott's Net Approval Rating Plummets
In the latest poll, a 48% plurality of registered voters now disapprove of how Scott has handled his job, a huge leap from February when only 22% of voters disapproved of the new Governor's job performance. Meanwhile, 35% of voters currently approve of Scott's job performance, the exact same percentage who gave Scott a thumbs up two months ago.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:27:05am |
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darthstar Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:27:15am |
What the fuck? That's not a moon.
[Link: www.standard.net...]
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:27:22am |
re: #405 RogueOne
And even worse, these government employees are busy restricting the number of miles a trucker can drive in a 24-hour period, how many chickens or cows an agricultural factory can turn out, or how much fertilizer or pesticide a farmer can put on his crops.
All government meddling! Fire them all and let the free market sort it out!!!
/
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treasured people Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:27:33am |
re: #319 jamesfirecat
Al-Arabiya reports 1 of 2 killed in strike was senior Hamas military commander; Sudan FM says fatal hit "absolutely an Israeli attack" meant to keep Sudan on US list of terrorism sponsors.
I guess this proves that when you travel with a terrorist you just might end up as toast.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:27:37am |
re: #409 Cannadian Club Akbar
I had a physical confrontation 2 weeks ago. Can't lift my left arm above my shoulder and my right ribs still hurt so much I can't take a deep breath and it hurts when I sneeze.
Someone swipe your beer?
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lostlakehiker Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:27:52am |
re: #401 ralphieboy
So in effect, threre aren't enough qualified, motivated teachers to go around. Time to start privatizing and retricting access to education?
That's not REMOTELY what I said. We misidentify who's qualified. We restrict entry to the profession, requiring degrees that take a long time to earn and have no demonstrable connection to teaching effectiveness. [Is there any reason a retired engineer can't teach high school trigonometry? Is there any way someone who doesn't know trigonometry CAN teach it?]
We refuse to reward those who do a good job, insisting instead on a one-size-fits all pay scale, or strict seniority.
Michelle Rhee has on a roll, reforming the DC schools. The voters elected a mayor pledged to fire her. So much for reform. The voters want the patronage system more than they want good results for the children attending those schools.
The kids lobby has no voting muscle.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:28:05am |
re: #395 Cannadian Club Akbar
Then you will love this!!!///
[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]
That doesn't surprise me. Kristol has been an idiot for a long time, and I don't expect him to stop being one now.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:28:10am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:28:54am |
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:29:35am |
re: #412 darthstar
What the fuck? That's not a moon.
[Link: www.standard.net...]
Mmmm, Luna-burgers.
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Obdicut Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:29:59am |
re: #416 lostlakehiker
We refuse to reward those who do a good job, insisting instead on a one-size-fits all pay scale, or strict seniority.
Figuring out who is doing a good job is an enormous challenge. It's not that simple.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:30:28am |
re: #412 darthstar
What the fuck? That's not a moon.
[Link: www.standard.net...]
Maybe the rider is giving someone behind her the moon!!
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:32:42am |
re: #412 darthstar
My best friend from HS family had a small farm. He had raised a calf from birth that he named "flowers". When the family slaughtered it for meat (obviously over his objections) they used to tease him about flower-burgers. "Best tasting pet he ever had".
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:33:02am |
re: #419 Cannadian Club Akbar
He also wants to start drug testing state workers.
It goes further than that.
- He wants all state employees and all welfare recipients to submit to drug testing at a minimum rate of once every three months per employee.
- He wants all those tested to pay for their own tests, out of their own pockets.
- Until recently, he was the owner (majority shareholder) of the company that does the vast majority of all drug testing in the state, and the only company in FL with the capacity to test all state employees and welfare recipients. He signed his shares into his wife's name recently, to avoid a conflict of interest. (I know, i know)
So yeah, if that isn't a monstrous profiteering racket, I don't know what is.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:33:22am |
re: #421 Obdicut
Figuring out who is doing a good job is an enormous challenge. It's not that simple.
Huh??
Productivity
Customer Feedback
Job description knowledge
Those are all measurable
It's not that hard
We have reviews twice a year that track the previous 6 months that way
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jamesfirecat Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:33:31am |
re: #414 treasured people
Al-Arabiya reports 1 of 2 killed in strike was senior Hamas military commander; Sudan FM says fatal hit "absolutely an Israeli attack" meant to keep Sudan on US list of terrorism sponsors.
I guess this proves that when you travel with a terrorist you just might end up as toast.
Fair enough, obviously I wish for a perfect world where we could take down terrorists without ever harming innocent people, but clearly that isn't going to happen any time soon.
So in most things related to Israel I will sum up my stance with... being a wealth middle class catnip smoking hippie from the east coast of the USA, I have never experienced the hardship that comes from living in the middle of a desert surrounded by countries that hate you, and so am in a biased position when it comes to judging what is and isn't acceptable.
The issue of how much collateral damage is acceptable in an situation like this (assuming Israel was behind the strike) is a serious discussion worth having, but I defer to my fellow lizards more well versed in the subject since my own opinion has little besides my gut instincts to back it up....
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:34:27am |
re: #416 lostlakehiker
We refuse to reward those who do a good job, insisting instead on a one-size-fits all pay scale, or strict seniority.
I was not implying anything, but there are those who find that teachers are "overpaid" and do not deserve collective bargaining. And lots more who see privatization as the cure-all, at least for their families and neighbors.
As for those on the other side of the tracks, they will just have to stay there...
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:34:41am |
re: #425 sattv4u2
Huh??
Productivity
Customer Feedback
Job description knowledgeThose are all measurable
It's not that hard
We have reviews twice a year that track the previous 6 months that way
Those terms have distinct meaning for car manufacturers. Not so much for teachers.
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Obdicut Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:35:10am |
re: #425 sattv4u2
Please describe how you measure a teacher's 'productivity'.
As far as 'customer feedback', that's a rather tricky one. Are the customers the kids? The parents? To what extent should their opinions actually matter, and why?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:35:19am |
re: #424 Fozzie Bear
He said in an interview yesterday on my radio his former business, now in his wife hands, were not allowed to perform any of the test.
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Stanghazi Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:35:49am |
davidfolkenflik David Folkenflik
Glenn Beck & Fox News announce his weekday show will end later this year - plans for special projects for FNC & its digital platforms.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:36:26am |
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:36:41am |
re: #430 Cannadian Club Akbar
He said in an interview yesterday on my radio his former business, now in his wife hands, were not allowed to perform any of the test.
I'll believe it when it is put in legally-binding writing.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:36:45am |
re: #425 sattv4u2
Huh??
Productivity
Customer Feedback
Job description knowledgeThose are all measurable
It's not that hard
We have reviews twice a year that track the previous 6 months that way
We were talking about teachers so how do you want to measure "productivity" is it in the students GPAs, their federal test scores?
Do we rate higher someone who has kept good scores high or someone who has taken poor scores and improved them to middle of the road?
As for customer feedback, well are the students the customers or are the parents?
Finally as for "job description knowledge" all I can say is that there is a wide gap between knowing something well and being able to teach it well.
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Gus Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:36:54am |
I feel like a poop sandwich.
So. If there's this so called "Republican revolution" going on how come Prosser is neck and neck with Kloppenburg? This is a state that elected Governor Douche Bag.
GOP fail.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:37:06am |
re: #424 Fozzie Bear
It goes further than that.
- He wants all state employees and all welfare recipients to submit to drug testing at a minimum rate of once every three months per employee.
- He wants all those tested to pay for their own tests, out of their own pockets.
- Until recently, he was the owner (majority shareholder) of the company that does the vast majority of all drug testing in the state, and the only company in FL with the capacity to test all state employees and welfare recipients. He signed his shares into his wife's name recently, to avoid a conflict of interest. (I know, i know)So yeah, if that isn't a monstrous profiteering racket, I don't know what is.
The more voters get to see the Republican agenda in action the less they like it.
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Obdicut Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:38:23am |
re: #437 Killgore Trout
What's confusing about that is that the GOP wasn't really trying to hide this before the elections. They were pretty damn extreme in their statements and policies.
It's almost as if most voters simply went by soundbites and media representations, instead of actually digging into the issues. But that couldn't be.
//
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:38:30am |
re: #434 Fozzie Bear
I'll believe it when it is put in legally-binding writing.
Can't find a transcript. Found an audio link.
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:39:02am |
What could possibly go wrong?:
Richmond cops accused of hiring, arming Explorers
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]
The FBI and the Richmond Police Department are investigating allegations that two officers recruited teens from the department's Explorer program into their private security firm, illegally armed them with guns and sent them to patrol the city's most dangerous housing complexes, The Chronicle has learned.After two of the Explorers complained about their jobs, they had a falling-out with their mentors. The officers then hired a private investigator who used attractive decoys to try to coax one of the young men into a drunken-driving arrest, according to the women who took part in the setup.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:39:07am |
re: #439 Obdicut
What's confusing about that is that the GOP wasn't really trying to hide this before the elections. They were pretty damn extreme in their statements and policies.
It's almost as if most voters simply went by soundbites and media representations, instead of actually digging into the issues. But that couldn't be.
//
Sorta like HOPE and CHANGE, huh!
:)
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:39:53am |
re: #421 Obdicut
Figuring out who is doing a good job is an enormous challenge. It's not that simple.
And it also has to do with the fact that teachers start with students of varying levels of academic ability and potential. Especially those in the most troubled schools.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:41:30am |
re: #441 RogueOne
What could possibly go wrong?:
Richmond cops accused of hiring, arming Explorers
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]
What is Explorers? I'm assuming this is not the SUV manufactured by Ford.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:41:38am |
re: #436 Gus 802
I feel like a poop sandwich.
So. If there's this so called "Republican revolution" going on how come Prosser is neck and neck with Kloppenburg? This is a state that elected Governor Douche Bag.
GOP fail.
Yeah, it looks like they made a pretty serious mistake. Prosser was set for an easy victory until the Republicans went nuts. Walker and crew probably won't survive the next election cycle if they manage to avoid being recalled before that. Republicans should be poised to retake the Senate by now but their recent antics may endanger that. At this rate they might even lose the House. We'll see how this shutdown nonsense plays out but I don't think it's going to work in the Republican's favor.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:41:48am |
And on that note, I get to go play with our London clients ensuring good reception of The Masters in HD/ Dolby!!!
YIPPPEEEEEE
(btw ,, Augusta National is a BREATHTAKING course)
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:42:29am |
re: #444 Alouette
They're usually HS kids interested in police work. Almost like an internship.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:42:51am |
re: #444 Alouette
What is Explorers? I'm assuming this is not the SUV manufactured by Ford.
I'm assuming Cops Jr. Kinda like a police ROTC.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:44:09am |
re: #425 sattv4u2
Huh??
Productivity
Customer Feedback
Job description knowledgeThose are all measurable
It's not that hard
We have reviews twice a year that track the previous 6 months that way
Teachers are observed and receive formal evaluations. Twice to three times a year for beginning teachers, periodically for those who've been with a school longer.
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Gus Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:44:27am |
re: #445 Killgore Trout
Yeah, it looks like they made a pretty serious mistake. Prosser was set for an easy victory until the Republicans went nuts. Walker and crew probably won't survive the next election cycle if they manage to avoid being recalled before that. Republicans should be poised to retake the Senate by now but their recent antics may endanger that. At this rate they might even lose the House. We'll see how this shutdown nonsense plays out but I don't think it's going to work in the Republican's favor.
Yep. Walker's a one termer that's for sure as is Rick Scott in Florida. Caveat of course it that we live in a nation that elects people like Jesse "The Body" Ventura for governor -- amongst others.
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sagehen Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:45:31am |
re: #416 lostlakehiker
Michelle Rhee has on a roll, reforming the DC schools. The voters elected a mayor pledged to fire her. So much for reform. The voters want the patronage system more than they want good results for the children attending those schools.
The kids lobby has no voting muscle.
Except then it turned out that the improved test scores were the result of teachers and principals cheating -- erasing wrong answers on the test sheets and writing in correct ones. Whoops. The schools that didn't have a lot of that kind of cheating... had parents complaining that all their kids did all day was drill for the tests, they weren't learning anything other than how to pass multiple choice tests.
Not such a roll.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:45:34am |
re: #441 RogueOne
What could possibly go wrong?:
Richmond cops accused of hiring, arming Explorers
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]
I love Richmond. God, how I love Richmond.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:45:36am |
Glenn Beck Will End Fox News Show
Fox News and Mercury Radio Arts, Glenn Beck’s production company, are proud to announce that they will work together to develop and produce a variety of television projects for air on the Fox News Channel as well as content for other platforms including Fox News’ digital properties. Glenn intends to transition off of his daily program, the third highest rated in all of cable news, later this year... Joel Cheatwood, SVP/Development at Fox News, will be joining Mercury Radio Arts effective April 24, 2011. Part of his role as EVP will be to manage the partnership and serve as a liaison with the Fox News Channel.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:46:01am |
re: #450 Gus 802
Yep. Walker's a one termer that's for sure as is Rick Scott in Florida. Caveat of course it that we live in a nation that elects people like Jesse "The Body" Ventura for governor -- amongst others.
George Lemuix, who was given Mel Martinez Senate seat by Crist, is gonna run for the Senate seat that Bill Nelson has. This will be interesting.
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Gus Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:46:41am |
re: #453 SanFranciscoZionist
I love Richmond. God, how I love Richmond.
There's so much to do or see!
//
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:47:05am |
re: #448 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'm assuming Cops Jr. Kinda like a police ROTC.
Basically. It's run by the Boy Scouts in a couple of areas (law enforcement, merchant marine/coast guard, etc.) Almost an apprenticeship program, in many respects.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Gus Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:48:21am |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:50:00am |
re: #452 sagehen
Except then it turned out that the improved test scores were the result of teachers and principals cheating -- erasing wrong answers on the test sheets and writing in correct ones. Whoops. The schools that didn't have a lot of that kind of cheating... had parents complaining that all their kids did all day was drill for the tests, they weren't learning anything other than how to pass multiple choice tests.
Not such a roll.
I worked for a start-up charter school one year. Our kids did AMAZINGLY well on the standardized exams.
One of my co-workers pulled me aside, and said, "OK, what happened after you finished giving the kids the exam?"
I said, "I counted everything, put it back in the box and gave it to the office."
"Who took over from there?"
"(Name of Principal)."
"Did anyone supervise him?"
"Uh, no. He just took everything back to the district."
"Can you think of any good reason why our students would have done well on a standardized test?"
"Not really."
"Hmmm."
"SHIT."
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blueraven Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:50:01am |
Jefferson County is the lone hold out precinct that is currently in Prosser's favor.
Seems to be some counting problem involving appr 750 votes.
[Link: www.lakemillsleaderonline.com...]
Extrapolated out by current percentages
750 x 58%=435 Prosser
750 x 42%=315 Kloppenburg
a difference of 120 votes... Not enough to surpass Kloppenburg's current lead of 224...plus 2 precincts still out in Milwaukee county that favor her by 14%.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:50:13am |
re: #458 Gus 802
Make a page man. Don't forget to add the "Drudge siren" for extra flavor.
I made a page, my brain isn't working well enough to find my Drudge siren. I just included a link and a quote. I can't even think of something snarky to say about it.
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Gus Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:51:16am |
re: #461 Killgore Trout
I made a page, my brain isn't working well enough to find my Drudge siren. I just included a link and a quote. I can't even think of something snarky to say about it.
Use this one...
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RogueOne Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:51:18am |
re: #461 Killgore Trout
I made a page, my brain isn't working well enough to find my Drudge siren. I just included a link and a quote. I can't even think of something snarky to say about it.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:52:19am |
re: #461 Killgore Trout
I made a page, my brain isn't working well enough to find my Drudge siren. I just included a link and a quote. I can't even think of something snarky to say about it.
Snark:
There will be a court battle between Beck and Fox for the rights to the chalkboard used by Beck but purchased by Fox.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:52:22am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:55:43am |
re: #465 Alouette
I worked for a guy whose grand father came to America thinking the roads were paved with gold, then found out they weren't and he actually had to work. He did and made it.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:56:10am |
re: #466 RogueOne
I have to run folks, enjoy the day.
Thats just mean!
Can't you just let them walk, or casually stroll!?!?!
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:56:55am |
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:57:13am |
re: #465 Alouette
We can end the problem of illegal immigration if we just tank the economy to the point that foreigners no longer have any incentive to move here...
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:57:15am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:57:53am |
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:58:12am |
Why did the toad cross the road?
To get some booty.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:58:40am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:00:06am |
re: #474 Alouette
Why did the toad cross the road?
To get some booty.
Can we just let the toads get a little practice in by playing Frogger?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:00:39am |
re: #464 Cannadian Club Akbar
Snark:
There will be a court battle between Beck and Fox for the rights to the chalkboard used by Beck but purchased by Fox.
Well, the reality of the situation is he wants to do Alex Jones stuff and on a major network it's financially unrealistic to make up conspiracy theories about international corporations and serious big targets. Advertisers wouldn't stand for it. He's also positioning himself to contimue his anti-government conspiracies even after the Republicans regain power. Fox Wouldn't allow him to name congressional republicans as part of the cloward piven conspiracy. He's now free to do whatever he wants.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:01:44am |
re: #477 Killgore Trout
I read an AJ interview in Rolling Stone recently. He said Beck is ripping him off.
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Gus Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:01:52am |
re: #477 Killgore Trout
Well, the reality of the situation is he wants to do Alex Jones stuff and on a major network it's financially unrealistic to make up conspiracy theories about international corporations and serious big targets. Advertisers wouldn't stand for it. He's also positioning himself to contimue his anti-government conspiracies even after the Republicans regain power. Fox Wouldn't allow him to name congressional republicans as part of the cloward piven conspiracy. He's now free to do whatever he wants.
Maybe he can just go straight to truTV. He'd fit right in.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:02:36am |
re: #476 Cannadian Club Akbar
Can we just let the toads get a little practice in by playing Frogger?
What about the poor armadillo???
[Link: www.travelpod.com...]
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:06:37am |
re: #474 Alouette
Why did the toad cross the road?
To get some booty.
I want to volunteer for that next year. It sounds like fun.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:07:52am |
re: #481 Fozzie Bear
I want to volunteer for that next year. It sounds like fun.
Not just "fun"
It's " almost a divine feeling that you know that you are helping."
AAHHHHH!!!!
(chorus of angels)
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:08:43am |
re: #482 sattv4u2
Not just "fun"
It's " almost a divine feeling that you know that you are helping."
AAHHH!!!
(chorus of angels)
I will be an angel of amphibious salvation. It sounds toadally awesome.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:09:03am |
re: #483 Fozzie Bear
I will be an angel of amphibious salvation. It sounds toadally awesome.
Ribbet!
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