All Votes In - Kloppenburg Wins WI Supreme Court Race

Wisconsin refudiates Scott Walker
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Just coming over the wires: all votes have been counted in Wisconsin’s Supreme Court race, and the winner is JoAnne Kloppenburg.

The tally:

JoAnne Kloppenburg - 740,090
David Prosser - 739,886

However, with a margin as close as this a recount is a given, which means the results could change.

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228 comments

1 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:26:36pm

I agree a recall is going to happen and it could go either way, still its nice to know that Democrats we're going into the recount with the lead!

2 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:31:06pm

And she squeeeeeeks into the lead.

3 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:31:46pm

It's a good thing Joanne turned her hat around backwards and readjusted her grip.

"When I turn the hat around its like a switch."
-Stallone, Over the Top

Such a great awful movie.

4 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:33:19pm

re: #3 goddamnedfrank

I was hanging out with my wife's med-school friends the other night and none of them had ever heard of it. Made me feel old.

I love shouting "over the top" during moments where someone needs to give an extra little push.

5 blueraven  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:35:29pm

Considering he was the favorite just weeks ago by a large margin and that outside groups spent over 2 million on his re-election, this is sweet indeed!

6 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:35:36pm

re: #3 goddamnedfrank

It's a good thing Joanne turned her hat around backwards and readjusted her grip.

"When I turn the hat around its like a switch."
-Stallone, Over the Top

Such a great awful movie.

"I'm a machine. Like my truck."

Another brilliant line from that same movie. A friend of mine and I, every couple of weeks, will buy a bunch of beer and watch awful movies. It's how we bond, lol. That film is in the rotation, and my friend and I agree: one of the worst movies ever made. It's also hilarious to watch when drunk.

8 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:37:09pm

re: #7 recusancy

Back in February, during the primaries, Prossner won 55% to Kloppenburg's 25%.

And the remaining 20% voted for a turd sandwich in protest. /

9 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:37:34pm

That is a statistical tie. On the order of 1/50th of the expected error margin in an election as I see it. (plus or minus 2%) Heck even recounts can hardly get to the accuracy an election this close reliably. May as well flip a coin.

10 Kragar  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:39:07pm

re: #4 Obdicut

I was hanging out with my wife's med-school friends the other night and none of them had ever heard of it. Made me feel old.

I love shouting "over the top" during moments where someone needs to give an extra little push.

I'm more of a "YOU CAN DOOO IT" from the Waterboy kind of guy.

11 recusancy  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:40:50pm

@daveweigel
Free New York Post hed: KLOPPENBURNED

12 Interesting Times  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:41:30pm

Prosser must think these results are a bitch.

13 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:43:00pm

re: #12 publicityStunted

Prosser must think these results are a bitch.

Wow. What a loser. And now, literally so.

People voted for this scumbag. Holy Christ! I just now did some reading up on this guy. He's fucking frightening.

14 sagehen  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:44:46pm

just under 2/100 of 1%.

Never let anybody tell you GOTV isn't the most important part of a campaign.

15 SpaceJesus  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:46:19pm

regardless, this is huge to upset an incumbent judge like that.

the tea party has a "mandate" my ass

16 recusancy  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:47:02pm
17 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:48:12pm

Wake up, Republicans.

18 sagehen  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:49:01pm

re: #16 recusancy

Walker blames it on the hippies in Madison.

So people in Madison aren't "real" Wisconsinites? Only rural, small-town Wisconsonites are "real"?

How Paliniac of him.

19 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:49:09pm

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Wake up, Republicans.

They're wide awake. They're "winning", in the most Charlie Sheen sense of the word.

20 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:49:58pm

So she goes from an outside chance to a squeaker win in the course of two months. Yeah, that's not indicative of voter disapproval at all. *rolls eyes*

21 abbyadams  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:50:23pm

re: #16 recusancy

You've got a world driven by Madison, and a world driven by everybody else out across the majority of the rest of the state of Wisconsin.

Hello? It's like that in most of the country, cities vote one way, rural another. That sounds a little like "real American" talk to me, which is really very offensive in my book.

22 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:50:34pm
23 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:50:35pm

re: #16 recusancy

Walker blames it on the hippies in Madison.

They aren't "real Americans", to use a republican sound bite.

24 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:51:27pm

re: #6 Fozzie Bear

"I'm a machine. Like my truck."

Another brilliant line from that same movie. A friend of mine and I, every couple of weeks, will buy a bunch of beer and watch awful movies. It's how we bond, lol. That film is in the rotation, and my friend and I agree: one of the worst movies ever made. It's also hilarious to watch when drunk.

"I always wanted to be a milk shake."
-Lincoln Hawk

25 Neutral President  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:51:36pm

re: #18 sagehen

So people in Madison aren't "real" Wisconsinites? Only rural, small-town Wisconsonites are "real"?

How Paliniac of him.

I think Texas feels the same about Austin too.

26 simoom  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:52:36pm

re: #16 recusancy

Walker blames it on the hippies in Madison.

Walker:

"For those who believe it's a referendum, while it might have a statewide impact that we may lean one way or the other, it's largely driven by Madison, and to a lesser extent Milwaukee," the governor said. "But those Senate recall elections on both the Democrat and Republican side aren't being held in Madison, they aren't being held in Milwaukee."

From Weigel's blog:

[Wisconsin Democratic Senator Mark] Miller made one more point. According to his math, Kloppenburg won by a 60-40 margin in the district of Dan Kapanke, the first Republican that recall petitions were submitted against.
27 sagehen  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:57:11pm

re: #25 ArchangelMichael

I think Texas feels the same about Austin too.

Upstate New Yorkers would like to say such things about NYC, but.... sadly, no. Doesn't fly here; not when the city has 14 congressional districts and our suburbs have almost a dozen more (scattered across three states).

Manhattan is about as "real New York" as it gets.

28 William of Orange  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:58:02pm

Well, we know what a recount can mean. Kloppenburg's lead could increase. This is how Al Franken secured his seat.

29 lostlakehiker  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:58:18pm

re: #1 jamesfirecat

I agree a recall is going to happen and it could go either way, still its nice to know that Democrats we're going into the recount with the lead!

It CAN'T "go either way". A lead of a few hundred cannot, by legitimate means, evaporate in a recount. Now such leads have evaporated as miraculous boxes of spare ballots show up to be "counted", but that's another story.

30 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:58:32pm

Family Values campaign is going great...
Teen Finds Campaign Worker At Back Door At 3AM

"His arm was in my back door, trying to get in and I screamed and went upstairs to my parents room and I continued screaming," said Chloe Steward.

The family then called police.

Police said Benjamin Foster was arrested and charged with public intoxication and trespassing. He was taken to the Polk County Jail.

Iowa political strategist Eric Woolson is a consultant for the Pawlenty Exploratory Committee. He confirmed to KCCI that Foster is employed by the Pawlenty Exploratory Committee. He declined comment at this time on the incident.

Tim Pawlenty is the former governor of Minnesota and has an office in Iowa to explore a possible presidential campaign.

The Steward family said Foster was drunk and was trying to get home to a friend's house in Johnston. They said he vomited in their backyard and scared their daughter.

31 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:59:43pm

re: #29 lostlakehiker

It CAN'T "go either way". A lead of a few hundred cannot, by legitimate means, evaporate in a recount. Now such leads have evaporated as miraculous boxes of spare ballots show up to be "counted", but that's another story.

Sorry I'm a democrat I've found it never hurts to expect my party to screw things up at the last minuet.

Thus I don't want to get my hopes up quite yet that the recount will go our way....

32 recusancy  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:59:58pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

Family Values campaign is going great...
Teen Finds Campaign Worker At Back Door At 3AM

He's on twitter too! [Link: twitter.com...]

33 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:00:05pm
"Eric Woolson, speaking for the exploratory committee, said, "Governor Pawlenty is extremely disappointed in Ben’s actions and his behavior does not meet the standards he expects of his employees. Therefore, the committee is placing Ben on a two-week unpaid suspension and expects him to bear the legal consequences for his action.'"


lol

34 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:00:28pm

re: #32 recusancy

Ha!

35 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:01:29pm

re: #18 sagehen

So people in Madison aren't "real" Wisconsinites? Only rural, small-town Wisconsonites are "real"?

How Paliniac of him.

It's typical of the elitist mindset that conservative politicians like Walker and Palin and countless others have. Urbanites aren't real Americans or residents of the state because of their liberal tendencies. I grew up in the suburbs and I live in a fairly rural and small town when I am not at school but this shit really pisses me off. Keep on spitting on people, Walker, you dumb fuck.

36 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:01:43pm

re: #29 lostlakehiker

It CAN'T "go either way". A lead of a few hundred cannot, by legitimate means, evaporate in a recount. Now such leads have evaporated as miraculous boxes of spare ballots show up to be "counted", but that's another story.

Oh right. You still believe AL Franken stole the election, don't you?

37 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:03:47pm

re: #29 lostlakehiker

It CAN'T "go either way". A lead of a few hundred cannot, by legitimate means, evaporate in a recount. Now such leads have evaporated as miraculous boxes of spare ballots show up to be "counted", but that's another story.

Al Franken won dude. Get over it.

38 Petero1818  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:04:40pm

The politicization of the American Judiciary is perhaps the most absurd aspect of the American electoral system (and that is really saying something).

39 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:05:47pm

re: #38 Petero1818

The politicization of the American Judiciary is perhaps the most absurd aspect of the American electoral system (and that is really saying something).

I still think the dysfunctionality of the senate with secret holds and unlimited sitting filibusters take the cake personally.

41 lostlakehiker  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:07:01pm

re: #9 Rightwingconspirator

That is a statistical tie. On the order of 1/50th of the expected error margin in an election as I see it. (plus or minus 2%) Heck even recounts can hardly get to the accuracy an election this close reliably. May as well flip a coin.


You're way wrong about the expected error margin. In an election of 1400000 votes, assuming all voters tossed a coin, the standard deviation will be about 530. So it's nothing particularly out of the ordinary if the actual margin is 400.

Once the election has been held and the votes have been counted, there's very, very little room for LEGITIMATE changes due to recounting.

It can happen that a few of the absentee ballots were marked ambiguously, and in an impartial review, as with going to the tape after a questionable call on the field, the original intent of the voter can be discerned to have been different from what was originally recorded. Or it can happen that the original intent of the voter is indecipherable. Not 1 percent of the votes come from a recount-able pool, and of those, not 1 percent are truly ambiguous. That means that in an honest recount, we should expect the tally to change by maybe 50, tops. More likely, it'll change by 5 or 10 or 20 or something like that.

To get a change of 400 votes requires foul play.

42 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:07:17pm

re: #29 lostlakehiker

It CAN'T "go either way". A lead of a few hundred cannot, by legitimate means, evaporate in a recount. Now such leads have evaporated as miraculous boxes of spare ballots show up to be "counted", but that's another story.

Do you really understand how American politics works? Initial counts can sometimes be WRONG. People make mistakes. The purpose of a recount is to verify that any mistakes that were made did not compromise the validity of the results.

43 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:07:53pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Fox Nation: Wisconsin Voter Fraud Haunts Razor-Thin Supreme Court Election

That didn't take long.

44 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:08:06pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Fox Nation: Wisconsin Voter Fraud Haunts Razor-Thin Supreme Court Election

A Dem wins, well obviously voter fraud must be involved. Color me shocked.

/

45 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:08:21pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Fox Nation: Wisconsin Voter Fraud Haunts Razor-Thin Supreme Court Election

So. Fucking. Predictable.

46 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:09:04pm

re: #15 SpaceJesus

the tea party has a "mandate" my ass

It would be so juvenile of me to re-punctuate that.

47 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:09:15pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Fox Nation: Wisconsin Voter Fraud Haunts Razor-Thin Supreme Court Election

Unfuckingbelievable. It's always fraud when a Democrat wins a close race but Democrats are "sore losers" when they complain.

48 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:09:34pm

re: #44 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

A Dem wins, well obviously voter fraud must be involved. Color me shocked.

/

I have something for you. It's my shocked face.

49 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:09:45pm

I am sure ACORN, George Soros, & others will be blamed.

50 Simply Sarah  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:09:49pm

re: #41 lostlakehiker

You're way wrong about the expected error margin. In an election of 1400000 votes, assuming all voters tossed a coin, the standard deviation will be about 530. So it's nothing particularly out of the ordinary if the actual margin is 400.

Once the election has been held and the votes have been counted, there's very, very little room for LEGITIMATE changes due to recounting.

It can happen that a few of the absentee ballots were marked ambiguously, and in an impartial review, as with going to the tape after a questionable call on the field, the original intent of the voter can be discerned to have been different from what was originally recorded. Or it can happen that the original intent of the voter is indecipherable. Not 1 percent of the votes come from a recount-able pool, and of those, not 1 percent are truly ambiguous. That means that in an honest recount, we should expect the tally to change by maybe 50, tops. More likely, it'll change by 5 or 10 or 20 or something like that.

To get a change of 400 votes requires foul play.

Or, you know, a faulty ballot counting machine or a crappy pen for marking ballots or confusion about exactly how to fill things out....

51 lostlakehiker  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:11:10pm

re: #31 jamesfirecat

Sorry I'm a democrat I've found it never hurts to expect my party to screw things up at the last minuet.

Thus I don't want to get my hopes up quite yet that the recount will go our way...

I've never seen a single recount tip from Democrat to Republican. Can anybody find a link where that happened? If so, how large a swing was involved? 5? 10?

52 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:11:40pm

Note that Fox didn't even wait an hour after the tally came in.

This story was pre-written for this occasion.

53 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:12:32pm

re: #52 Fozzie Bear

Note that Fox didn't even wait an hour after the tally came in.

This story was pre-written for this occasion.

As I've said, Fox's problem isn't so much bias, it's that their damned bias gets in way of reporting the news.

54 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:12:36pm

re: #51 lostlakehiker

I've never seen a single recount tip from Democrat to Republican. Can anybody find a link where that happened? If so, how large a swing was involved? 5? 10?

Just say it dude. Why beat around the bush? Just let it out, let us know what you think.

55 Kragar  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:12:49pm

re: #52 Fozzie Bear

Note that Fox didn't even wait an hour after the tally came in.

This story was pre-written for this occasion.

"We lost, so voter fraud must be involved"

56 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:12:53pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

I am sure ACORN, George Soros, & others will be blamed.

Yeah, here come the claims of "machines already had votes loaded in them," and "more ballots than voters" and so forth. Hell, maybe there's video that will be posted of little old women standing at the polls, threatening folks with rolling pins if they didn't vote for Kloppenburg.

57 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:12:58pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

As I've said, Fox's problem isn't so much bias, it's that their damned bias gets in way of reporting the news.

That's a feature not a bug darling.

58 blueraven  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:13:33pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Fox Nation: Wisconsin Voter Fraud Haunts Razor-Thin Supreme Court Election

Well of course!

On a side note, just noticed Fox Nation's pic of the day

Eva tips over

Oh, BTW she is just another Hollywood illegal anyway, according to one comment.

59 Petero1818  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:13:52pm

re: #39 jamesfirecat

I still think the dysfunctionality of the senate with secret holds and unlimited sitting filibusters take the cake personally.

I guess I find that to be merely a function of the idiosyncratic procedural rules or at least a bastardization of them. The politicization of the judiciary I find to be wholly antithetical to the notion of independence of the Judiciary.

60 lostlakehiker  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:14:35pm

re: #50 Simply Sarah

Or, you know, a faulty ballot counting machine or a crappy pen for marking ballots or confusion about exactly how to fill things out...

Confusion is not grounds for revoking votes. To have any other rule simply means that the authorities can have the vote any way they want it.

Crappy pens still indent the paper.

Only a handful of ballots are legitimately open to differences of opinion about what was actually marked on them.

61 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:14:47pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

As I've said, Fox's problem isn't so much bias, it's that their damned bias gets in way of reporting the news.

Everybody has bias. Honest people, however, ADMIT their bias so people know up front how the reporting will be colored. The thing that pisses me off about Fox is that they claim to be objective and unbiased, when it is demonstrably not true.

62 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:14:59pm

re: #57 jamesfirecat

That's a feature not a bug darling.

Hah, it is.

63 Simply Sarah  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:15:27pm

re: #60 lostlakehiker

Confusion is not grounds for revoking votes. To have any other rule simply means that the authorities can have the vote any way they want it.

Crappy pens still indent the paper.

Only a handful of ballots are legitimately open to differences of opinion about what was actually marked on them.

Uh...and you're point? You do realize that recounts can *increase* the number of ballots counted, not just void them, right?

64 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:15:50pm

re: #59 Petero1818

I guess I find that to be merely a function of the idiosyncratic procedural rules or at least a bastardization of them. The politicization of the judiciary I find to be wholly antithetical to the notion of independence of the Judiciary.

In theory any created error created by the non independent Judiciary on a state level can be fixed by our non elected judiciary at the supreme court levle.

There's no one to fix the problems that arise out of not being able to do ANYTHING in the senate these days without a 60 vote super majority.

That's why I find the filibuster more infuriating there's no one on a higher level to correct for problems.

65 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:15:50pm

re: #51 lostlakehiker

I've never seen a single recount tip from Democrat to Republican. Can anybody find a link where that happened? If so, how large a swing was involved? 5? 10?

The absolute numbers don't matter. The percentage of the total vote that swings does.

At least stay consistent.

66 lostlakehiker  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:16:01pm

re: #54 Fozzie Bear

Just say it dude. Why beat around the bush? Just let it out, let us know what you think.

What would YOU think, with those facts? I'm not reporting what I think, I'm reporting the evidence I've seen.

As to this election, I think that the Democrat won, and I'm absolutely confident that the result will hold up.

67 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:16:23pm

re: #60 lostlakehiker

Confusion is not grounds for revoking votes. To have any other rule simply means that the authorities can have the vote any way they want it.

Crappy pens still indent the paper.

Only a handful of ballots are legitimately open to differences of opinion about what was actually marked on them.

Votes that were erroneously counted in one column or another aren't "revoked" when the error is corrected.

As for the bolded sentence, I have to wonder how you felt about dimpled chads and the Gore/Bush election.

68 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:17:17pm

re: #61 thedopefishlives

Everybody has bias. Honest people, however, ADMIT their bias so people know up front how the reporting will be colored. The thing that pisses me off about Fox is that they claim to be objective and unbiased, when it is demonstrably not true.

Yep, that's true too.

69 Stanghazi  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:18:10pm

Sanity break. Er...

FrumForum FrumForum

Boehner Cries in Budget Meeting: ABC News reports: He did it again. John Boehner was driven to tears again... [Link: bit.ly...] #tcot

70 Kragar  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:19:00pm

re: #69 Stanley Sea

Sanity break. Er...

FrumForum FrumForum

Boehner Cries in Budget Meeting: ABC News reports: He did it again. John Boehner was driven to tears again... [Link: bit.ly...] #tcot

Look on the bright side. If Newt were there, he'ld be in the market for a new wife this weekend.

71 albusteve  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:19:03pm

stupid me....why is this woman important?

72 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:19:06pm

re: #66 lostlakehiker

What would YOU think, with those facts? I'm not reporting what I think, I'm reporting the evidence I've seen.

As to this election, I think that the Democrat won, and I'm absolutely confident that the result will hold up.

I would think it's absurd to insinuate that the DNC systematically commits election fraud without providing any evidence, but hey, that's just me.

73 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:20:21pm

re: #72 Fozzie Bear

I would think it's absurd to insinuate that the DNC systematically commits election fraud without providing any evidence, but hey, that's just me.

Somebody call the reindoctrination office, we've got a THINKER on the loose.

74 sagehen  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:20:23pm

re: #41 lostlakehiker

You're way wrong about the expected error margin. In an election of 1400000 votes, assuming all voters tossed a coin, the standard deviation will be about 530. So it's nothing particularly out of the ordinary if the actual margin is 400.

Once the election has been held and the votes have been counted, there's very, very little room for LEGITIMATE changes due to recounting.
(snip)
To get a change of 400 votes requires foul play.

Not true.

When ballots are fed through the optical scanner, some of them are off-center or the paper was wrinkled or two pages stuck together or somebody used pen instead of #2 pencil -- there's lots of reasons they might not register. Hundreds more votes will be found; the question is whose.

75 recusancy  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:20:24pm

re: #71 albusteve

stupid me...why is this woman important?

Why are judges important??? Why do you come to political blogs if you don't like politics?

76 Bob Dillon  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:20:33pm

re: #39 jamesfirecat

I still think the dysfunctionality of the senate with secret holds and unlimited sitting filibusters take the cake personally.

I think this trumps that: Hotlining is a system that allows legislation to pass by “unanimous consent,” usually in the evening, when almost no Senators are present.

[Link: washingtonexaminer.com...]

77 blueraven  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:20:40pm

re: #71 albusteve

stupid me...why is this woman important?

Basically, this was a referendum on Scott Walker. She will shift the SC of WI from conservative to more liberal.

78 lostlakehiker  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:20:53pm

re: #65 Obdicut

The absolute numbers don't matter. The percentage of the total vote that swings does.

At least stay consistent.

Actually, the mathematics of voting and error correction say different. The larger the election, the less probable a swing of a certain percentage becomes.

In an election involving 100 votes, with 1 percent of the ballots open to "replay", a 1 vote swing is reasonably possible. That's 1 percent, or 2 percent if it flips.

In an election involving 100 million votes, with 1 million of them "open to replay", the probability of a swing of 1 percent in the final tally is negligible.

I'd rather stay consistent with accurate thinking about probability, than adhere to some sounds-good notion of consistency.

79 Simply Sarah  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:21:06pm

re: #64 jamesfirecat

In theory any created error created by the non independent Judiciary on a state level can be fixed by our non elected judiciary at the supreme court levle.

There's no one to fix the problems that arise out of not being able to do ANYTHING in the senate these days without a 60 vote super majority.

That's why I find the filibuster more infuriating there's no one on a higher level to correct for problems.

It's not as simple as that. Most case law results from inferior courts, not the SCOTUS, especially these days with the Supreme Court taking fewer cases. You also have all the cases that never leave state courts (As they are on matters of state law/the state constitution).

To me, an objective (As possible) independent judiciary is the most critical underpinning of the American system, since it is best equipped to fight back against the excesses of the other branches. Making unpopular rulings shouldn't be grounds to lose your job as a judge (Assuming they weren't made in a criminal manner or if you are completely incompetent).

80 albusteve  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:21:20pm

re: #72 Fozzie Bear

I would think it's absurd to insinuate that the DNC systematically commits election fraud without providing any evidence, but hey, that's just me.

lol....how do you prove the sky is blue?....dems punk the system and always have

81 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:21:24pm

re: #69 Stanley Sea

Sanity break. Er...

FrumForum FrumForum

Boehner Cries in Budget Meeting: ABC News reports: He did it again. John Boehner was driven to tears again... [Link: bit.ly...] #tcot

I always feel kind of "ehh" about mocking Boehner for his crying because it makes me worry that to do so is to reinforce the meme that a "real man" shouldn't be in touch with his emotions enough to cry easily.

His fake tan however I feel free to mock as the only people I'm likely to offend are the Ompa-Lompas who have proven themselves to be a hardworking industrious people who don't care to be compared to the Speaker...

82 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:21:41pm

re: #71 albusteve

stupid me...why is this woman important?

The hope is that her being elected to the state Supreme Court will swing the voting majority in the liberals favor, providing the means to invalidate Walker's anti-union bill.

83 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:22:07pm

re: #71 albusteve

stupid me...why is this woman important?

It throws out a conservative judge who supported Walker's union busting bill. Voters are getting the Republicans out of office because of their radical agenda.

84 b_Snark  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:22:39pm

re: #51 lostlakehiker

I've never seen a single recount tip from Democrat to Republican. Can anybody find a link where that happened? If so, how large a swing was involved? 5? 10?

You're pissing on your leg.

85 webevintage  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:22:49pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Fox Nation: Wisconsin Voter Fraud Haunts Razor-Thin Supreme Court Election

Of course it does...

86 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:23:01pm

re: #80 albusteve

lol...how do you prove the sky is blue?...dems punk the system and always have

Yes, clearly, the DNC is a shadowy cabal, stuffing ballot boxes at midnight. They are the Illuminati. They are everywhere, and yet, they are nowhere. /

87 lostlakehiker  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:23:32pm

re: #72 Fozzie Bear

I would think it's absurd to insinuate that the DNC systematically commits election fraud without providing any evidence, but hey, that's just me.

The Democrats, shall we just say, are very, very skilled in getting every issue decided their way. It isn't necessarily a felony to be better at winning, in the replay booth, calls that could go either way, than the other party. But it does mean that the Democrats effectively never lose a recount from an initial edge of hundreds.

88 Achilles Tang  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:23:37pm

re: #9 Rightwingconspirator

That is a statistical tie. On the order of 1/50th of the expected error margin in an election as I see it. (plus or minus 2%) Heck even recounts can hardly get to the accuracy an election this close reliably. May as well flip a coin.

I tell you, there is a force out there in the universe called The Equalizer. It's the same one that makes a circle round and why the earth pushes up on your feet with just exactly the amount needed to let you float on the surface. Symmetry and balance it is, and I'm going to apply for tax exemption for my new religion.

89 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:23:41pm

re: #78 lostlakehiker

You might want, at some point, to back up your assertions. At all.

In the case of your math above, you're begging the question by assuming that 1 percent are open to 'replay', whatever the fuck that means.

Can you please explain this statement?

Not 1 percent of the votes come from a recount-able pool, and of those, not 1 percent are truly ambiguous.

Do you understand that in a recount, all votes are recounted? It kind of seems like you don't.

90 albusteve  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:23:56pm

re: #77 blueraven

Basically, this was a referendum on Scott Walker. She will shift the SC of WI from conservative to more liberal.

ah I see...I'd almost forgotten the dust up in WI

91 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:24:09pm

All the republican talking points are coming out to play. it's like a grand reunion of stupid.

92 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:24:41pm

re: #91 Fozzie Bear

it's like a grand reunion of stupid.

Nominated for rotating title.

93 albusteve  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:24:44pm

re: #75 recusancy

Why are judges important??? Why do you come to political blogs if you don't like politics?

for the top shelf entertainment you provide

94 webevintage  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:24:46pm

re: #87 lostlakehiker

The Democrats, shall we just say, are very, very skilled in getting every issue decided their way. It isn't necessarily a felony to be better at winning, in the replay booth, calls that could go either way, than the other party. But it does mean that the Democrats effectively never lose a recount from an initial edge of hundreds.

hahahahahahahahahaha
the spin...oh the spin

95 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:24:53pm

re: #87 lostlakehiker

The Democrats, shall we just say, are very, very skilled in getting every issue decided their way. It isn't necessarily a felony to be better at winning, in the replay booth, calls that could go either way, than the other party. But it does mean that the Democrats effectively never lose a recount from an initial edge of hundreds.

How many recounts would we need to find that the democrat went form a leading to losing in order to make you admit that you're mistaken?

96 Kragar  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:25:24pm

re: #91 Fozzie Bear

it's like a grand reunion of stupid.

The Iowa primaries aren't for months yet.

97 Simply Sarah  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:25:32pm

re: #82 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The hope is that her being elected to the state Supreme Court will swing the voting majority in the liberals favor, providing the means to invalidate Walker's anti-union bill.

I have to say, though, that I hope whomever wins will fairly apply the law and state/federal constitutions to judging any challenges to the law. I may think the law is abhorrent and completely politically motivated, but that is not, by itself, grounds for striking or otherwise restricting it through the courts.

98 albusteve  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:25:50pm

thanks for the honest answer, y'all

99 Achilles Tang  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:25:53pm

re: #87 lostlakehiker

The Democrats, shall we just say, are very, very skilled in getting every issue decided their way. It isn't necessarily a felony to be better at winning, in the replay booth, calls that could go either way, than the other party. But it does mean that the Democrats effectively never lose a recount from an initial edge of hundreds.

Huh? GWB?

100 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:26:05pm

It's hilarious to me that the people who cry loudest about the Dems committing voter fraud act like the Republicans would never dare engage in such acts. Listen if there are real allegations of fraud in this election, they ought to be looked at but the whole thing reeks of bitterness over losing when it's said every single time a Republican loses a close race. Oh and Governor Walker's assine attack on Madison voters is stupid too. There's no such thing as a more "real" American. It's the same card wherever you go I suppose. If you're a urbanite and liberal voter, you're not a "real whatever."

101 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:26:10pm

Beck's Potential Replacement And Guest Host Is 9-11 Truther Andrew Napolitano

Fox News announced today that Glenn Beck will end his daily Fox News program. According to the New York Daily News, "Beck will be on tour next week. His time slot will be filled by Judge Andrew Napolitano and Eric Bolling, and each could be potential long-term replacements."

While Beck's program is frequently marked by bizarre conspiracy theories and incendiary rhetoric, it's worth remembering that Napolitano -- the current host of Fox Business' Freedom Watch -- also subscribes to conspiracy theories, including the belief that the government is lying about the attacks on September 11 (aka "9-11 Truth"). Despite Beck's condemnation of 9-11 Truthers, Napolitano has regularly filled in for Beck.

102 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:26:21pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

You called it!

103 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:26:28pm

re: #91 Fozzie Bear


republican talking points

Just logged in, and so far I've seen " union busting bill",,

anti-union bill

,,,

radical agenda.

Looks like it cuts both ways, no?

104 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:26:34pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

Beck's Potential Replacement And Guest Host Is 9-11 Truther Andrew Napolitano

Damn, there goes the betting pool.

105 albusteve  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:26:34pm

re: #86 Fozzie Bear

Yes, clearly, the DNC is a shadowy cabal, stuffing ballot boxes at midnight. They are the Illuminati. They are everywhere, and yet, they are nowhere. /

exactly....only even more insidious

106 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:26:48pm

re: #91 Fozzie Bear

All the republican talking points are coming out to play. it's like a grand reunion of stupid.

They're scared shitless and it's not hard to understand why. The Tea Party bandwagon has lost a wheel and is careening out of control. They thought that the momentum was gonna keep going into the primaries, if not the next election. Instead, Walker's stunts may have not only cost them Wisconsin, but also given Democrats a fighting chance in several other states.

107 engineer cat  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:26:57pm

re: #87 lostlakehiker

The Democrats, shall we just say, are very, very skilled in getting every issue decided their way. It isn't necessarily a felony to be better at winning, in the replay booth, calls that could go either way, than the other party. But it does mean that the Democrats effectively never lose a recount from an initial edge of hundreds.

this certainly explains why the supreme court refused the democratic party's request that all votes in florida be recounted in 2000

/

108 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:27:32pm

re: #91 Fozzie Bear

All the republican talking points are coming out to play. it's like a grand reunion of stupid.

Bullshit... I haven't even started yet... no one has covered my talking points yet :)

109 blueraven  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:28:00pm

re: #97 Simply Sarah

I have to say, though, that I hope whomever wins will fairly apply the law and state/federal constitutions to judging any challenges to the law. I may think the law is abhorrent and completely politically motivated, but that is not, by itself, grounds for striking or otherwise restricting it through the courts.

Yes, but the way it was voted on was against WI law. Not even two hrs notice when the law is 24. Changed it to a non fiscal budget item, in order to avoid a quorum. There are many reasons to rule against this law, other than political.

110 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:28:18pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

Beck's Potential Replacement And Guest Host Is 9-11 Truther Andrew Napolitano

Mean the new boss, more loonier than the old one. Yep, I'm no Pete Townsend. Never claimed to be though.

111 albusteve  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:28:46pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

Beck's Potential Replacement And Guest Host Is 9-11 Truther Andrew Napolitano

whoa!....so he's out? sounds that way, I'm a bit surprised, actually even interested

112 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:29:02pm

re: #102 Obdicut

You called it!

Napolitano seems the likely choice. I don't think he'll last. The Paulians love him. They are loyal but a very small audience. I don't think he can keep the ratings up. They'll try Napolitano for a while but maybe they'll bring in somebody new after a few months.

113 webevintage  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:29:38pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

It's hilarious to me that the people who cry loudest about the Dems committing voter fraud act like the Republicans would never dare engage in such acts. Listen if there are real allegations of fraud in this election, they ought to be looked at but the whole thing reeks of bitterness over losing when it's said every single time a Republican loses a close race. Oh and Governor Walker's assine attack on Madison voters is stupid too. There's no such thing as a more "real" American. It's the same card wherever you go I suppose. If you're a urbanite and liberal voter, you're not a "real whatever."

I have to say that THIS is one of the things that pisses me off more then any other bullshit the Republicans get up to.
I'm a fucking American TEAGop assholes...a REAL American and I am a liberal and I come from a family of Union members who have always voted for Democrats and we are all real Americans.

114 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:29:47pm

By the way for anyone interested I did five min of googling and found this


[Link: northfield.patch.com...]

And then this

[Link: politicsinminnesota.com...]

So much for the theory that no Democrat going into a recount with the lead in votes has ever lost the recount, wouldn't you agree Lost?

115 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:29:47pm

re: #112 Killgore Trout

Napolitano seems the likely choice. I don't think he'll last. The Paulians love him. They are loyal but a very small audience. I don't think he can keep the ratings up. They'll try Napolitano for a while but maybe they'll bring in somebody new after a few months.

Yep, Napolitano is there as a place holder, not a permanent replacement. I'm sure they're already in the process of looking for Beck 2.0.

116 blueraven  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:30:03pm

re: #112 Killgore Trout

Napolitano seems the likely choice. I don't think he'll last. The Paulians love him. They are loyal but a very small audience. I don't think he can keep the ratings up. They'll try Napolitano for a while but maybe they'll bring in somebody new after a few months.

My step father will be crushed that Beck is leaving, but comforted that the Judge will carry on...sigh.

117 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:30:03pm

re: #111 albusteve

Beck's audience has been bailing on him.

118 Simply Sarah  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:30:49pm

re: #109 blueraven

Yes, but the way it was voted on was against WI law. Not even two hrs notice when the law is 24. Changed it to a non fiscal budget item, in order to avoid a quorum. There are many reasons to rule against this law, other than political.

Oh, I'm not saying there aren't. I don't know much about Wisconsin law, so I'm leaving any determinations to those that do (Too lazy to look up the rules in question and how they have been viewed in the past). Really, it's more that the idea of cheering for someone to win a judicial election in order to hopefully change the way a court will rule on a case makes me somewhat uneasy.

119 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:30:51pm

re: #103 sattv4u2

republican talking points

Just logged in, and so far I've seen " union busting bill",,

,,,

Looks like it cuts both ways, no?

So to describe things factually makes them a "Democratic talking point"? I guess reality really does have a liberal bias!

120 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:31:15pm

re: #113 webevintage

I have to say that THIS is one of the things that pisses me off more then any other bullshit the Republicans get up to.
I'm a fucking American TEAGop assholes...a REAL American and I am a liberal and I come from a family of Union members who have always voted for Democrats and we are all real Americans.

Shit pisses me off too. And it's the exact reason I lost a lot of respect for McCain was that his surrogates engaged in this garbage. His Virginia campaign manager said that Northern Virginia wasn't "REal Virginia" since we're a more Democratic and liberal leaning region. I resent the living hell out of that.

121 webevintage  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:31:32pm

I'm sure the spin we will here from the TEAGop pundits in the next few days will be that the WI election means nothing and the fact that a Dem won Walker's old job means nothing.

Nothing to see here, move along folks....

122 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:31:49pm

re: #111 albusteve

whoa!...so he's out? sounds that way, I'm a bit surprised, actually even interested

Yep... he's out... you'll never have to worry about him again... he'll be a passing memory in no time...

In the statement on Wednesday, Mr. Beck said he would be starting a “new phase” of a partnership with Roger Ailes, the chairman of Fox News. “I truly believe that America owes a lot to Roger Ailes and Fox News,” he said.

Mr. Ailes said in the statement, “Glenn Beck is a powerful communicator, a creative entrepreneur and a true success by anybody’s standards. I look forward to continuing to work with him.”

[Link: mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com...]

(Thanks goodness for small things)

123 blueraven  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:31:52pm

re: #118 Simply Sarah

Oh, I'm not saying there aren't. I don't know much about Wisconsin law, so I'm leaving any determinations to those that do (Too lazy to look up the rules in question and how they have been viewed in the past). Really, it's more that the idea of cheering for someone to win a judicial election in order to hopefully change the way a court will rule on a case makes me somewhat uneasy.

That was going to be true either way, unfortunately. But I agree with your overall point.

124 albusteve  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:32:44pm

re: #117 Killgore Trout

Beck's audience has been bailing on him.

yeah, and I'd like to hear Becks take on his 'change'

125 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:33:01pm

re: #119 jamesfirecat

So to describe things factually makes them a "Democratic talking point"? I guess reality really does have a liberal bias!

I see

So EVERY Leftie/Progressive/Dem talking head just happen to use the exact same "reality"

Cool!!

126 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:33:37pm

re: #124 albusteve

yeah, and I'd like to hear Becks take on his 'change'

[Link: mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com...]

Read the whole thing.

127 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:34:07pm

re: #125 sattv4u2

I see

So EVERY Leftie/Progressive/Dem talking head just happen to use the exact same "reality"

Cool!!

Which democratic talking point being used here do you see as not true?

128 Simply Sarah  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:34:09pm

re: #123 blueraven

That was going to be true either way, unfortunately. But I agree with your overall point.

It's a view based more in idealism than realism for me. Which isn't to say I don't have ideas on who I would and would not want to see on a court or that there aren't certain justices I'd like to see go. I just realize that it's generally for the best that they don't have to worry about getting booted for upholding the law as they see it.

129 recusancy  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:34:26pm

re: #103 sattv4u2

republican talking points

Just logged in, and so far I've seen " union busting bill",,

,,,

Looks like it cuts both ways, no?

Was Walker's bill pro union? Do the Republicans currently have a moderate agenda?

130 lostlakehiker  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:34:33pm

re: #89 Obdicut

You might want, at some point, to back up your assertions. At all.

In the case of your math above, you're begging the question by assuming that 1 percent are open to 'replay', whatever the fuck that means.

Can you please explain this statement?

Do you understand that in a recount, all votes are recounted? It kind of seems like you don't.

It seems, again as always, that you deliberately misunderstand what is written. All the votes, of course, are looked at again.

Computerized voting hardly leaves room for challenge. All one has is the totals from the machines. Hand-cast ballots may, in some cases, leave room for differences of opinion. Most do not.

So out of a big pool of votes, we have a smaller pool of votes that are cast in such a way that they MIGHT be questioned. Hand-marked ballots, write-in ballots, paper punched ballots.

Out of that small pool, a small fraction are in fact marked in such a way that people of good will might form different judgments about what the voter intended. It is these ballots that MIGHT end up being recorded as null when they were originally seen as valid, or as valid when they were originally seen as null, or as for A when they were originally deemed to be for B.

These few cases will go some to A, some to B, and the corrections will mostly cancel each other out.

That is why the general trend is that the recounted tally differs by a tiny amount from the original tally. Departures from this are statistical anomalies and as we all know from how things work with standardized testing, tax returns and so on, anomalies are red flags.

Now not all anomalies are instances of cheating. E.g. the movie Stand and Deliver. But, many of them are.

131 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:35:04pm

re: #121 webevintage

I'm sure the spin we will here from the TEAGop pundits in the next few days will be that the WI election means nothing and the fact that a Dem won Walker's old job means nothing.

Nothing to see here, move along folks...

Yep, it's not a referendum, Republicans still won in elections! Yeah, the big elections that mattered went to the Democrats, but they still won some of them, so Walker is not toxic to his party's future prospects at all!

/

132 albusteve  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:35:09pm

re: #122 Walter L. Newton

Yep... he's out... you'll never have to worry about him again... he'll be a passing memory in no time...

[Link: mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com...]

(Thanks goodness for small things)

I was hoping for an epic crackup

133 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:35:46pm

re: #16 recusancy

Walker blames it on the hippies in Madison.

Mmmmm. Walker tears are delicious.

134 albusteve  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:35:49pm

re: #126 Walter L. Newton

[Link: mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com...]

Read the whole thing.

got to find my glasses first, my bad

135 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:36:32pm

re: #127 jamesfirecat

Which democratic talking point being used here do you see as not true?

Well,, to start, the bill will NOT "bust a union"
There are many public servent unions that currently work without collective bargaining, but you knew that, right?

136 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:37:59pm

re: #124 albusteve

yeah, and I'd like to hear Becks take on his 'change'

He and Fox are spinning this as "pursuing other opportunities" kind of thing but Beck was pushed out. He wouldn't voluntarily give up all the TV money. Even his radio ratings are falling and stations are dropping him. He's trying to launch his own network but since his audience is dwindling I don't think it's going to work out very well.

137 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:38:07pm

re: #135 sattv4u2

Well,, to start, the bill will NOT "bust a union"
There are many public servent unions that currently work without collective bargaining, but you knew that, right?

Bullshit.

138 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:38:32pm

re: #137 Walter L. Newton

Bullshit.

FREE CHEESE FOR ALL

139 lostlakehiker  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:38:40pm

re: #95 jamesfirecat

How many recounts would we need to find that the democrat went form a leading to losing in order to make you admit that you're mistaken?

ONE such instance of a democrat losing a 400 vote margin would force that admission. Or two instances of a democrat losing a 100 vote margin.

OK?

I've not seen or heard of anything of the sort, but maybe I just haven't run across the right news story.

Show me one or two such instances and I'll recant. re: #99 Naso Tang

Huh? GWB?

The Democrats were BEHIND going in. They made up much, but not all, of a big deficit. We're talking cases where the Democrat lead by hundreds at the end of the initial tally, and then lost as a result of a recount.

140 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:39:16pm

re: #135 sattv4u2

Well,, to start, the bill will NOT "bust a union"
There are many public servent unions that currently work without collective bargaining, but you knew that, right?

If you destroy collective bargaining what good is a union?

It doesn't destroy the union out right it just makes it useless so that the people who would have supported a union which could have helped them get better treatment at work will leave it on their own.

Its union busting Kavorkian style.

141 albusteve  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:40:49pm

re: #136 Killgore Trout

He and Fox are spinning this as "pursuing other opportunities" kind of thing but Beck was pushed out. He wouldn't voluntarily give up all the TV money. Even his radio ratings are falling and stations are dropping him. He's trying to launch his own network but since his audience is dwindling I don't think it's going to work out very well.

what a surprise....maybe some former sponsor or an anonymous exec will drop the hammer on him publicly...as in he was bad for business

142 Kragar  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:40:51pm

re: #138 sattv4u2

FREE CHEESE FOR ALL

What kind of cheese?

143 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:41:06pm

re: #140 jamesfirecat

pppsssssttttt

gotta secret for ya

#137 was sarcasm ,,,, you may want to take back your upding!!!


shhhhhhhh

144 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:41:16pm

re: #142 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What kind of cheese?

ummm,,, FREE!!!

145 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:41:41pm

BBIAW

146 albusteve  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:41:58pm

re: #140 jamesfirecat

If you destroy collective bargaining what good is a union?

It doesn't destroy the union out right it just makes it useless so that the people who would have supported a union which could have helped them get better treatment at work will leave it on their own.

Its union busting Kavorkian style.

what good are the unions now?....oh yeah, the 20hr work week thing

147 albusteve  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:43:33pm

somebody miscounted Frankens ballots until he won....something about 'lost boxes' of ballots in somebody's car trunk....LOL!

148 Kragar  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:44:30pm

re: #144 sattv4u2

ummm,,, FREE!!!

Hard or soft? Yellow or white? Chilled or room temperature?

149 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:44:44pm

re: #143 sattv4u2

pppsssttt

gotta secret for ya

#137 was sarcasm ,,, you may want to take back your upding!!!

shhh

Intimately in touch with the debate at hand.

150 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:44:51pm

I hope this goes down in history as the High Water Mark of the Tea Party movement: a struggle that will be remembered as the point where people finally woke up and realized where these idjits are leading us.

151 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:45:49pm

re: #139 lostlakehiker

ONE such instance of a democrat losing a 400 vote margin would force that admission. Or two instances of a democrat losing a 100 vote margin.

OK?

I've not seen or heard of anything of the sort, but maybe I just haven't run across the right news story.

Show me one or two such instances and I'll recant. re: #99 Naso Tang

The Democrats were BEHIND going in. They made up much, but not all, of a big deficit. We're talking cases where the Democrat lead by hundreds at the end of the initial tally, and then lost as a result of a recount.

Here you go

[Link: www.wral.com...]

Rep. Phil Baddour, the House majority leader since 1999, lost to Republican Louis Pate after a hand recount in Wayne County completed Friday afternoon gave Pate a 174-vote victory, a county elections official said.

Along with the GOP defeat of Rep. Alice Underhill, D-Craven, in another recount completed Friday, Republicans will have a 61-59 lead over Democrats in the chamber starting in January.

Baddour appeared to have won by nearly 900 votes after Election Day, but Pate took the lead a few days later when straight-ticket ballots not counted by voting machines were tallied.


You retraction?

152 BishopX  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:46:07pm

re: #135 sattv4u2

Any bill that requires that union re-certify every year is a union busting bill. As far as a can recall the WI bill does this. If that part got stripped out of the final version I'll take back my downding.

153 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:46:39pm

re: #69 Stanley Sea

Sanity break. Er...

FrumForum FrumForum

Boehner Cries in Budget Meeting: ABC News reports: He did it again. John Boehner was driven to tears again... [Link: bit.ly...] #tcot

Mmmm. Boehner tears would be delicious except I don't have a desire to let anything emanating from a Boehner enter my mouth.

154 albusteve  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:47:59pm

re: #151 jamesfirecat

Here you go

[Link: www.wral.com...]

Rep. Phil Baddour, the House majority leader since 1999, lost to Republican Louis Pate after a hand recount in Wayne County completed Friday afternoon gave Pate a 174-vote victory, a county elections official said.

Along with the GOP defeat of Rep. Alice Underhill, D-Craven, in another recount completed Friday, Republicans will have a 61-59 lead over Democrats in the chamber starting in January.

Baddour appeared to have won by nearly 900 votes after Election Day, but Pate took the lead a few days later when straight-ticket ballots not counted by voting machines were tallied.

You retraction?

he was just a ringer...gotta make it look good here and there

155 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:49:06pm

re: #130 lostlakehiker

Why are you only focusing on problems with the actual ballots, and not possible other parts of the procedure? For example, a malfunctioning Scantron machine that's discarding a higher percentage of ballots than it should?

It is absolutely true that, in general, most will just have equal numbers of swaps between one candidate and the other.

That is indeed the general trend. It is not, at all in any way, shape, or form, a statement that it can't swing by the hundreds. It means that it, even if it were simply problematic hand ballots, that it was improbable. It doesn't mean that there aren't other possible ways for a recount to find missing votes-- including, yes, actual missing ballot boxes, or a glitch in the database.

And even if you constrain it to the hand-counted ballots, you were also wrong about the percentage portion. When you constrain it as small as 100 votes vs ten million, then yes, the ten million votes will have much higher fidelity. However, the relationship is not linear. By constraining it to 100, you exaggerate the effect of small races. Once you extrapolate out to 1,000 or 10,000 votes, this is clear.

I'm glad that you're at least now acknowledging that not all anomalies are instances of cheating. That's a big first step for you.

I'm instrigued that you think that Democrats are always favored in recount situations. Can you explain this, in light of that belief?

[Link: articles.nydailynews.com...]

Republicans were poised to regain control of the state Senate after a judge certified a recount Saturday that narrowly handed a Long Island seat to a GOP candidate.

Jack Martins defeated Democratic Sen. Craig Johnson for Nassau County's 7th Senate District by only 451 votes of the tens of thousands of ballots cast in the Nov. 2 race.

Justice Ira Warshawsky certified the partial recount in a rare weekend court session, dealing Democrats a harsh blow by denying their appeal for a full recount by hand.

156 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:50:56pm

re: #154 albusteve

he was just a ringer...gotta make it look good here and there

"ONE such instance of a democrat losing a 400 vote margin would force that admission. Or two instances of a democrat losing a 100 vote margin."

"Baddour appeared to have won by nearly 900 votes after Election Day, but Pate took the lead a few days later when straight-ticket ballots not counted by voting machines were tallied."

Nothing to see here folks.

157 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:51:04pm

re: #154 albusteve

he was just a ringer...gotta make it look good here and there

"In the fifth, your ass goes down."

/

158 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:52:34pm

re: #156 jamesfirecat

"ONE such instance of a democrat losing a 400 vote margin would force that admission. Or two instances of a democrat losing a 100 vote margin."

"Baddour appeared to have won by nearly 900 votes after Election Day, but Pate took the lead a few days later when straight-ticket ballots not counted by voting machines were tallied."

Nothing to see here folks.

Obviously, the DNC is so craven and evil they steal elections from themselves.

159 albusteve  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:52:59pm

re: #156 jamesfirecat

"ONE such instance of a democrat losing a 400 vote margin would force that admission. Or two instances of a democrat losing a 100 vote margin."

"Baddour appeared to have won by nearly 900 votes after Election Day, but Pate took the lead a few days later when straight-ticket ballots not counted by voting machines were tallied."

Nothing to see here folks.

always means nearly always sometimes...but not here, as in democrats nearly always cheat at the polls

160 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:53:32pm

I am finding this whole thing to be absolutely hilarious. The predictability of it all is astounding. It's like it's literally from some kind of wingnut script.

161 albusteve  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:53:46pm

re: #158 Fozzie Bear

Obviously, the DNC is so craven and evil they steal elections from themselves.

yup, like a feeding frenzy where your buddy just became your dinner

162 simoom  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:54:47pm

CBO preliminary report on Rep. Paul Ryan's 2012 budget proposal:
[Link: www.cbo.gov...]

Under the proposal, most elderly people would pay more for their health care than they would pay under the current Medicare system. For a typical 65-year-old with average health spending enrolled in a plan with benefits similar to those currently provided by Medicare, CBO estimated the beneficiary’s spending on premiums and out-of-pocket expenditures as a share of a benchmark: what total health care spending would be if a private insurer covered the beneficiary. By 2030, the beneficiary’s spending would be 68 percent of that benchmark under the proposal, 25 percent under the extended-baseline scenario, and 30 percent under the alternative fiscal scenario.

And:

Federal payments for Medicaid under the proposal would be substantially smaller than currently projected amounts. States would have additional flexibility to design and manage their Medicaid programs, and they might achieve greater efficiencies in the delivery of care than under current law. Even with additional flexibility, however, the large projected reduction in payments would probably require states to decrease payments to Medicaid providers, reduce eligibility for Medicaid, provide less extensive coverage to beneficiaries, or pay more themselves than would be the case under current law.


Here's a Miami Herald writeup on the report:
[Link: www.miamiherald.com...]

Seniors and people with disabilities would pay much more for Medicare under a new plan by Republicans in the House of Representatives that's aimed at curbing the nation's growing budget deficit, a Congressional Budget Office analysis shows.

For example, by 2030, typical 65-year-olds would be required to pay 68 percent of the cost of their coverage, which includes premiums, deductibles and other out-of-pocket costs, according to the CBO. They'd pay 25 percent under current law, the CBO said.

The GOP budget proposal also would raise the eligibility age for the popular program and repeal big chunks of the health care overhaul law that Congress approved last year.

163 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:54:57pm

re: #160 Fozzie Bear

I am finding this whole thing to be absolutely hilarious. The predictability of it all is astounding. It's like it's literally from some kind of wingnut script.

The Protocols of the Elders of the RNC.

164 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:55:00pm

re: #160 Fozzie Bear

I am finding this whole thing to be absolutely hilarious. The predictability of it all is astounding. It's like it's literally from some kind of wingnut script.

If(Republic Votes> Democrat Votes)
{
$Outcome= "Mandate!"
}
else
{
$Outcome = "Voter Fraud!"
}

166 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:55:13pm

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

Intimately in touch with the debate at hand.

It's like they've never met you!

167 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:55:24pm

re: #148 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hard or soft? Yellow or white? Chilled or room temperature?

yes

168 BishopX  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:55:28pm

re: #158 Fozzie Bear

Obviously, the DNC is so craven and evil they steal elections from themselves.

Given the DNC's general level of competence, I wouldn't be too surprised. They've never run across a method of shooting ones self in the the foot that they haven't felt an immediate need to try.

169 albusteve  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:56:06pm

re: #165 Killgore Trout

Here they go...

Conservative Pundit Sees Vote Fraud In Wisconsin Supreme Court Race (VIDEO)

proof right there that massive fraud is perped every election

170 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:56:39pm

re: #169 albusteve

And by proof you mean no proof?

171 albusteve  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:57:37pm

re: #164 jamesfirecat

If(Republic Votes> Democrat Votes)
{
$Outcome= "Mandate!"
}
else
{
$Outcome = "Voter Fraud!"
}

what is this mess, some sort of code for donks only?

172 allegro  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:58:00pm

re: #170 Obdicut

And by proof you mean no proof?

they don't need no steenking evidence, man!

173 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:58:06pm

re: #170 Obdicut

And by proof you mean no proof?

Well, maybe not proof, per se, but very proofy.

174 mr.fusion  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:58:34pm

re: #9 Rightwingconspirator

That is a statistical tie. On the order of 1/50th of the expected error margin in an election as I see it. (plus or minus 2%) Heck even recounts can hardly get to the accuracy an election this close reliably. May as well flip a coin.

Recalls almost always benefit the dems.....I expect her lead to grow throughout the process

175 albusteve  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:59:05pm

re: #170 Obdicut

And by proof you mean no proof?

proof is so over rated

176 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:59:06pm

re: #174 mr.fusion

Recalls almost always benefit the dems...I expect her lead to grow throughout the process

Proof?

(I feel like a broken record)

177 BishopX  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:59:07pm

re: #170 Obdicut

What do you mean no proof? There were clear pictures of women and minorities waiting in line to cast votes. Everyone knows that's unconstitutional.

//

178 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:59:39pm

THE DEMOCRATS ATE MY BABY!

179 blueraven  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:59:44pm

re: #165 Killgore Trout

Here they go...

Conservative Pundit Sees Vote Fraud In Wisconsin Supreme Court Race (VIDEO)

Should have know is was John Fund...what a loser!

180 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:00:09pm

I called this election yesterday for JoAnne Kloppenburg on lGF. I don't know why the conservatives are so surprised.

181 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:00:15pm

re: #178 Fozzie Bear

THE DEMOCRATS ATE MY BABY!

They turned me into a Newt!

182 albusteve  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:00:42pm

re: #176 Fozzie Bear

Proof?

(I feel like a broken record)

since when does an expectation require proof?...prove to me you'll still be a male tomorrow morning when you wake up

183 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:00:53pm

re: #180 Walter L. Newton

I called this election yesterday for JoAnne Kloppenburg on lGF. I don't know why the conservatives are so surprised.

Because they have their heads stuck in the sand. Or in other places.

184 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:01:19pm

re: #182 albusteve

since when does an expectation require proof?...prove to me you'll still be a male tomorrow morning when you wake up

I'll be over tomorrow big boy, and you'll never doubt it again. /

185 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:01:40pm

re: #182 albusteve

since when does an expectation require proof?...prove to me you'll still be a male tomorrow morning when you wake up

It can fall off while I'm asleep!?!?!

DAMN!

186 Kragar  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:01:41pm

re: #181 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

They turned me into a Newt!

Do you have a new wife picked out yet?

187 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:02:08pm

re: #184 Fozzie Bear

I'll be over tomorrow big boy, and you'll never doubt it again. /

You should at least buy him dinner 1st

188 albusteve  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:02:24pm

re: #184 Fozzie Bear

I'll be over tomorrow big boy, and you'll never doubt it again. /

ouch?

189 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:02:53pm

re: #186 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Do you have a new wife picked out yet?

Yeah, but God has forgiven me, so why can't you?

/

190 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:03:13pm

re: #188 albusteve

ouch?

I'll be gentle.

Ok, on that note, time to go home and eat dinner. Obviously, i'm getting a wee bit punchy.

191 allegro  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:03:26pm

re: #186 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Do you have a new wife picked out yet?

I think the current wife has to be too sick to put out when he's overcome with the passion of patriotism... or something.

192 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:03:43pm

There are Higher Truths: the Truth that America is God's Own Nation because it abides by His laws and rules, and these frown on liberals, unions, government programs and taxes.

This election outcome could not have been His Divine Will: it must have been the work of Satan.

Or Democrats.

/

193 Kragar  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:03:45pm

re: #189 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, but God has forgiven me, so why can't you?

/

*SLAP*

Its cool, God forgave me already.

194 Kragar  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:04:27pm

re: #191 allegro

I think the current wife has to be too sick to put out when he's overcome with the passion of patriotism... or something.

I think there is something to do with cars as well.

195 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:04:33pm

re: #183 thedopefishlives

Because they have their heads stuck in the sand. Or in other places.

I don't think they're surprised that a Democrat one. I think they're surprised that everyone doesn't already know the totally obvious fact that Democrats always cheat in elections and commit massive voter fraud, and that's the only way they can win anything since it's so obvious that they're traitors and liberals and the people would never vote for them.

196 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:04:46pm

re: #193 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

*SLAP*

Its cool, God forgave me already.

*rubbing his cheek* Forgiveness is painful.

197 allegro  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:06:21pm

re: #195 Renaissance_Man

I think they're surprised that everyone doesn't already know the totally obvious fact that Democrats always cheat in elections and commit massive voter fraud, and that's the only way they can win anything since it's so obvious that they're traitors and liberals and the people would never vote for them.

Amen. Also.

198 albusteve  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:06:21pm

"You are a man who has enough courage to annul a wrong and mistaken action," Gadhafi wrote in a rambling, three-page letter to Obama obtained by The Associated Press on Wednesday. "I am sure that you are able to shoulder the responsibility for that."

Barak's new pen pal

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

199 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:06:24pm

re: #195 Renaissance_Man

I don't think they're surprised that a Democrat one. I think they're surprised that everyone doesn't already know the totally obvious fact that Democrats always cheat in elections and commit massive voter fraud, and that's the only way they can win anything since it's so obvious that they're traitors and liberals and the people would never vote for them.

I don't know. I think they felt they were bulletproof and that they would ride the groundswell of grassroots support to a landslide victory. I'm pretty sure being on the losing side was a bit of a shock... At which point, they resorted to their standard talking points in an effort to camouflage their failure.

200 albusteve  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:07:24pm

re: #195 Renaissance_Man

I don't think they're surprised that a Democrat one. I think they're surprised that everyone doesn't already know the totally obvious fact that Democrats always cheat in elections and commit massive voter fraud, and that's the only way they can win anything since it's so obvious that they're traitors and liberals and the people would never vote for them.

you getting warmer

201 Simply Sarah  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:08:37pm

re: #198 albusteve

"You are a man who has enough courage to annul a wrong and mistaken action," Gadhafi wrote in a rambling, three-page letter to Obama obtained by The Associated Press on Wednesday. "I am sure that you are able to shoulder the responsibility for that."

Barak's new pen pal

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Sounds like he's really starting to feel the heat.

202 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:08:40pm

re: #198 albusteve

"You are a man who has enough courage to annul a wrong and mistaken action," Gadhafi wrote in a rambling, three-page letter to Obama obtained by The Associated Press on Wednesday. "I am sure that you are able to shoulder the responsibility for that."

Barak's new pen pal

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]


Love,
Quacky!

203 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:09:09pm

re: #153 prononymous

Mmmm. Boehner tears would be delicious except I don't have a desire to let anything emanating from a Boehner enter my mouth.

*rimshot*

204 blueraven  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:09:36pm

Looks like the Heritage foundation has removed the ridiculous 2.8% unemployment rate from the study that heralded Paul Ryan's budget proposal.

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

205 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:11:02pm

OT

I've said it before and I'll say it again

Augusta National Golf course is breathtaking!!

Have been there once, and right now I'm monitoring HD video coming from the production truck onsite for The Masters

206 albusteve  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:11:08pm

re: #201 Simply Sarah

Sounds like he's really starting to feel the heat.

just like those Lockerbie passengers did I bet

207 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:11:21pm

re: #206 albusteve

just like those Lockerbie passengers did I bet

:(

208 Stanghazi  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:20:00pm

re: #204 blueraven

Looks like the Heritage foundation has removed the ridiculous 2.8% unemployment rate from the study that heralded Paul Ryan's budget proposal.

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Saw where Krugman caught that! Frauds!

209 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:24:25pm

re: #208 Stanley Sea

Saw where Krugman caught that! Frauds!

This is Heritage we're talkin' about. According to them, the Bush Tax Cuts were supposed to lead to unequaled economic prosperity, record low unemployment rates, pay off the national debt by decade's end, and whiten your teeth too.

Funny how they never factored in things like a housing bubble...

210 albusteve  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:27:15pm

re: #209 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

This is Heritage we're talkin' about. According to them, the Bush Tax Cuts were supposed to lead to unequaled economic prosperity, record low unemployment rates, pay off the national debt by decade's end, and whiten your teeth too.

Funny how they never factored in things like a housing bubble...

especially since the downfall was predicted by Bush, McCain and so many others you'd almost think the result was intentional

211 celticdragon  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:35:42pm

re: #20 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So she goes from an outside chance to a squeaker win in the course of two months. Yeah, that's not indicative of voter disapproval at all. *rolls eyes*

Hot Air is already framing it as a shocking setback to the Dems, since...uh...the Dems anger at Governor Walker meant that they should have pulled a twenty point upset or something.

You can't make this shit up.

212 celticdragon  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:37:07pm

re: #209 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

This is Heritage we're talkin' about. According to them, the Bush Tax Cuts were supposed to lead to unequaled economic prosperity, record low unemployment rates, pay off the national debt by decade's end, and whiten your teeth too.

Funny how they never factored in things like a housing bubblea twenty year failure of supply side economics to actually provide prosperity to the middle class...

Mildly enhanced for your viewing pleasure.

213 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:37:43pm

re: #211 celticdragon

Hot Air is already framing it as a shocking setback to the Dems, since...uh...the Dems anger at Governor Walker meant that they should have pulled a twenty point upset or something.

You can't make this shit up.

So she goes from an outside chance to a slim victory...and it's still a loss for the Dems.

Denial is a hell of a drug.

214 celticdragon  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:46:51pm

re: #52 Fozzie Bear

Note that Fox didn't even wait an hour after the tally came in.

This story was pre-written for this occasion.

And tested before a live wingnut audience for quality control and effective marketing.

215 lostlakehiker  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 2:57:52pm

re: #87 lostlakehiker

The Democrats, shall we just say, are very, very skilled in getting every issue decided their way. It isn't necessarily a felony to be better at winning, in the replay booth, calls that could go either way, than the other party. But it does mean that the Democrats effectively never lose a recount from an initial edge of hundreds.

First prove me wrong. THEN downding it.

Show me ONE election since 1960, that's half a century, that has recounted from the Democrats winning by hundreds of votes, to losing.

216 lostlakehiker  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 3:04:13pm

re: #156 jamesfirecat

"ONE such instance of a democrat losing a 400 vote margin would force that admission. Or two instances of a democrat losing a 100 vote margin."

"Baddour appeared to have won by nearly 900 votes after Election Day, but Pate took the lead a few days later when straight-ticket ballots not counted by voting machines were tallied."

Nothing to see here folks.

Try again. According to the article, first they tallied the machine votes. That was on election day. Next, they tallied the straight-ticket votes. That had to be done by hand. THEN, they held a recount. According to the article,

The hand recount showed Pate with 8,508 votes, while Baddour had 8,334 votes. Each candidate gained a half-dozen votes compared to the previous tally.

That vindicates my position. There was NO SWING WHATSOEVER during the recount. Each candidate gained a mere SIX, and those canceled.

217 Amory Blaine  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 3:06:32pm

re: #21 abbyadams

Hello? It's like that in most of the country, cities vote one way, rural another. That sounds a little like "real American" talk to me, which is really very offensive in my book.

The republicans are riding a wave of high rhetoric at this point. 1 in 7 farmers in Wisconsin are relying on BadgerCare for their health care needs in Wisconsin. Well Scott Walker and the republican majorities have voted to gut BadgerCare. Wait until the rural voters he's relying on to push his bullshit start to feel the cuts.

I have a feeling any support he enjoys now will vanish very quickly.

218 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 3:57:33pm

re: #216 lostlakehiker

Try reading, jackass.

[Link: www.digtriad.com...]

Hulse said voting observers from both parties alerted elections officials after noticing that the number of votes in the U.S. Senate race was lower than the total number of ballots cast.

Elections officials determined that voting machines hadn't counted straight-party ballots, Hulse said. The machines were reprogrammed and the machines counted the ballots again, he said.

The retabulated results show Pate, the mayor of Mount Olive, with 8,503 votes, or 50.49 percent, and Baddour with 8,339 votes, or 49.51 percent. Before Friday, Baddour had 6,058 votes compared to Pate with 5,162 votes.

In other words, exactly the kind of systemic error you're ignoring in order to make your argument.

219 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 3:58:01pm

re: #216 lostlakehiker

Try again. According to the article, first they tallied the machine votes. That was on election day. Next, they tallied the straight-ticket votes. That had to be done by hand. THEN, they held a recount. According to the article,

That vindicates my position. There was NO SWING WHATSOEVER during the recount. Each candidate gained a mere SIX, and those canceled.

You know what, you win on this one, I can't seem to find a republican coming from behind on a recount.

HOWEVER!

Correlation does not equal causation for example...

[Link: www.alternet.org...]

"The largest source of error is going to be human error -- marks that the machine cannot be expected to recognize. The voter crosses out one oval and fills in another. The machine sees an overvote, but the hand canvass counts the vote correctly. When the voter circles the candidate, or uses a check mark, or doesn't fill in the entire oval, the machine sees no vote at all, but again, the hand canvass registers the vote.

Since 2000, seven out of seven peer-reviewed academic studies confirm that Democrats tend to make more mistakes than Republicans. The populations that are, in academic jargon, "vulnerable to error" are low-income, low-educated and minority, all of which disproportionately vote Democratic."

So I'm afraid that you're seeing a grand conspiracy where their is only human stupidity.

220 lostlakehiker  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 4:20:25pm

re: #218 Obdicut

Try reading, jackass.

[Link: www.digtriad.com...]

In other words, exactly the kind of systemic error you're ignoring in order to make your argument.

re: #219 jamesfirecat

You know what, you win on this one, I can't seem to find a republican coming from behind on a recount.

HOWEVER!

Correlation does not equal causation for example...

[Link: www.alternet.org...]

"The largest source of error is going to be human error -- marks that the machine cannot be expected to recognize. The voter crosses out one oval and fills in another. The machine sees an overvote, but the hand canvass counts the vote correctly. When the voter circles the candidate, or uses a check mark, or doesn't fill in the entire oval, the machine sees no vote at all, but again, the hand canvass registers the vote.

Since 2000, seven out of seven peer-reviewed academic studies confirm that Democrats tend to make more mistakes than Republicans. The populations that are, in academic jargon, "vulnerable to error" are low-income, low-educated and minority, all of which disproportionately vote Democratic."

So I'm afraid that you're seeing a grand conspiracy where their is only human stupidity.

I don't see a grand conspiracy. I see a spirit of fighting for every possible advantage, of contesting vigorously even the thinnest of cases.

And I realize that anomaly, of itself, does not prove cheating. You, unlike some in this forum, argue in good faith. You've even got a case.

221 MinisterO  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 4:39:09pm

re: #41 lostlakehiker

You're way wrong about the expected error margin. In an election of 1400000 votes, assuming all voters tossed a coin, the standard deviation will be about 530.

Is this correct? Anyone?

222 hugh59  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 5:40:34pm

re: #29 lostlakehiker

Really? Tell that to Norm Coleman. Are you saying that Al Franken became a senator because of fraud?

What I dislike about Kloppenburg was her refusal to denounce the disgraceful ads run by the GWC claiming that he mishandled a child molestation case 30 years ago. I am from Ohio and when an Ohio politician ran a commercial like that back in 1994, just about every news outlet in the state condemned him. Kloppenburg said that she could not control what the GWC did (true) and that she would not condemn the ad. She benefited from someone else's dishonorable conduct and that makes her dishonorable.

223 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 5:47:44pm

re: #216 lostlakehiker

Try again. According to the article, first they tallied the machine votes. That was on election day. Next, they tallied the straight-ticket votes. That had to be done by hand. THEN, they held a recount. According to the article,

That vindicates my position. There was NO SWING WHATSOEVER during the recount. Each candidate gained a mere SIX, and those canceled.

Still I hope the recount shows Prosser as winning. However, said recount must be done honestly, that above all.

224 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 5:49:18pm

re: #223 Dark_Falcon

Still I hope the recount shows Prosser as winning. However, said recount must be done honestly, that above all.

Don't count on it Dark Recounts tend to favor Liberals because we're idiots.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

No really...

225 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 5:51:33pm

re: #224 jamesfirecat

Don't count on it Dark Recounts tend to favor Liberals because we're idiots.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

No really...

We'll see. It's less than 100 votes, and such recounts can go either way. Let's wait and see.

226 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 5:54:17pm

re: #225 Dark_Falcon

We'll see. It's less than 100 votes, and such recounts can go either way. Let's wait and see.

Umm, where do you get your numbers Dark?

JoAnne Kloppenburg - 740,090
David Prosser - 739,886

740,090
-739,886=204 votes.

227 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 6:05:33pm

re: #226 jamesfirecat

I was quoted the figure at work today. I was going with what I had heard.

228 hugh59  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:22:45pm

Looks like Prosser picked up about 8,000 votes today.


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Thanos
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A Compline Prayer For those of us who follow traditions that include the daily offices, Compline is the last service of the day, right before going to sleep for the night. It gives a moment to pause and reflect upon the day ...
William Lewis
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#Thegreatpoolpondconversion - 200322This was another weekend that doesn't look like much in pictures. We made a cutout in the stock tank for the spillway slab.It weighs 55 pounds. We spent some time figuring how to balance it properly and get a nice ...
I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)
5 days, 7 hours ago
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Betrayal-Why Did Trump Believe Chinese Disinformation Instead of US Intelligence? ...This criticism contains an element of truth. As The Wall Street Journal reported in early March, the Chinese government lied about the threat posed by COVID-19 and the coronavirus’s transmissibility to humans, and dragged its feet in informing the ...
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Ozarks Season 3 - Starts Friday Official Trailer for Ozark Season 3. All new episodes arrive on Netflix March 27, 2020. They are all in. The Byrdes are back in business and the stakes have never been higher. As tensions mount surrounding their new casino, ...
Thanos
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Nothing but Thieves - Is Everybody Going Crazy? (Lyric Video) Nothing But Thieves - Is Everybody Going Crazy (Official Lyric Video) Listen to IEGC? here: nbthiev.esSpotify: nbthiev.esApple Music: nbthiev.esItunes: nbthiev.esYouTube Music: nbthiev.esAmazon Music: nbthiev.esDeezer: nbthiev.es Click here to subscribe :: smarturl.it Follow NBT on Socials: Facebook: nbthiev.esTwitter: nbthiev.esInstagram: nbthiev.esSpotify: ...
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Billie Joe Armstrong of Green Day - I Think We’re Alone Now (Cover) Dear friends.. While we’ve all been in quarantine I’ve been reflecting on the things that matter the most in my life. Family, friends and of course music. I recorded a cover of Tommy James and the shondells “I think ...
Thanos
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