The Right Wing View of Climate Change: Don’t Worry, God’s in Charge

Anti-science and proud of it

When the vast majority of the world’s scientists agree that climate change caused by human activity is a deadly serious, increasingly imminent threat that must be addressed before it’s too late, what could possibly be driving the right wing’s suicidal rejection and denial?

Here’s a letter to the editor of Virginia’s Fredericksburg Free Lance-Star that’s sadly representative of the mainstream magical thinking behind this denialist craziness: Global warming? Don’t worry: God is in charge.

In response to the experts’ opinions that man-made climate change will destroy the Earth if we don’t spend trillions of dollars now to save the planet [Viewpoints, March 27], I say they are the ones who are irresponsible and dangerous.

Have they ever listened to their own leftist “experts” who say that spending all that money will alter the alleged climate change only a fraction of a percent? Not a good investment for my money.

If they’re worried about a worldwide flood, don’t. God promised us He would never allow that again after the Noah flood. That’s what the rainbow is for. That’s God’s guarantee. Local floods happen, but a worldwide flood will never happen again.

If you want to save the planet, forsake your arrogance and defiance of God and ask for His forgiveness. Put prayer back in the schools. Put the Ten Commandments back in public view. Stop killing His gift of children; killing infants in the womb is not a God-given right.

Wake up to the fact that God has said the wisdom of our wise men is foolishness. In other words, our wise men don’t know jack.

If we turn from our wicked ways and seek God with all our hearts, God will forgive our sins and heal our land.

This is what people who believe in science and rationality are up against — millions of drones indoctrinated with superstitious nonsense.

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553 comments

1 Kragar  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:22:07pm

God helps those who helps themselves.

Fucking morons.

2 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:25:33pm

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

God helps those who helps themselves.

Fucking morons.

I believe the proper translation of that is "God Phelps those who Phelp themselves"
/biblical scholar

3 jaunte  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:25:53pm
"If we turn from our wicked ways and seek God with all our hearts, God will forgive our sins and heal our land."


I see a slight flaw in your plan...

4 Kragar  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:27:28pm

I'm locking this guy out of the Vault.

6 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:28:51pm

Cognitive dissonance is the life blood or religious fanatics.

Destruction through global-warming? Don't be ridiculous, god is all powerful and he won't let that happen.

Legal abortion? Um... well, obviously it's some kind of test, otherwise he would have waved his magic wand and miracled that away already.

7 Kragar  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:30:47pm

re: #5 Killgore Trout

O'Reilly: "Nobody Can Control The Climate But God, So Give A Little Extra At Mass Or Services"

Why does an all powerful omnipresent being need my money again?

8 jaunte  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:30:58pm

re: #5 Killgore Trout

Second comment down:

I cashed my check today, took the cash to church, threw it in the air, and said to God: what ever you catch, you can keep. All I can say Bill, is I tried.
9 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:32:08pm

re: #5 Killgore Trout

O'Reilly is a freaking juggallo.

"Like fuckin' rainbows, after it rains. You can't explain that shit, ninja".

10 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:33:13pm

This is really pathetic. So using this guy's logic we shouldn't worry about natural disasters either? I am so sick of this anti science bullshit. It's getting really old.

11 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:33:41pm
That’s what the rainbow is for. That’s God’s guarantee.

The rainbow is God's guarantee? I'm pretty sure that's just refraction and reflection, however my M.S. in photography might be blinding me to the higher legalities of creation.

"Light goes in, light spreads out, light bounces back, you can't explain that."

12 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:33:57pm

re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Why does an all powerful omnipresent being need my money again?

Nice hats ain't cheap.

13 engineer cat  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:34:32pm

That's what the rainbow is for!

it's a gonna be th' fire next time for you, sparkle pony

14 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:41:18pm

Paging Ludwig Van Quixote!
Paging Ludwig!
Climate deniers spreading BS, need to be refuted, as only you can!

15 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:46:10pm

re: #14 Floral Giraffe

This doesn't even need LVQ's expertise. This person is using deficient, magical thinking to attempt to deny global warming. I imagine LVQ would be just as eager to debate this mental midget as Dawkins would be to debate a creationist.

16 jaunte  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:46:29pm

re: #13 engineer dog


it's a gonna be th' fire next time for you, sparkle pony


I think I'm going to put that on a bumper sticker.

17 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:47:25pm

re: #13 engineer dog

Unicorns!

18 Girth  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:49:50pm

You want to believe in a primitive people believing that there is a supernatural reason behind a natural phenomenon? Be my guest. But I will not allow you to bet my life on your superstition, and when and if I have children I will not allow you to infect their minds with your stupidity.

19 Kragar  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:50:06pm

When faced with impending doom, just sing "Yes Jesus love me" as loud as you can and everything will be just fine.

20 Bob Dillon  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:50:47pm

I was 7 or 8 when China invaded and took over Tibet. I gave up on the notion that God was in charge right then.

21 Girth  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:51:37pm

re: #19 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

When faced with impending doom, just sing "Yes Jesus love me" as loud as you can and everything will be just fine.

When faced with impending doom, I'll ask "Who wants to love me?" as loud as I can and I'll take the best offer.

22 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:51:41pm

re: #19 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yes," Jesus loves me"
LA LA LA LA LA!

23 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:52:30pm

re: #20 Bobibutu

Nah, the Tibetans probably made a pact with the devil or tolerated gays or something like that. God was punishing them.
/

24 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:53:04pm

The rainbow is God's guarantee. Shame about the unicorn, though.

25 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:54:56pm

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

God helps those who helps themselves.

Fucking morons.

Republicans help those that help themselves too.

In this case they are helping those that are helping themselves to the product of millions of years of biological and geological activity.

26 Kragar  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:55:03pm

re: #20 Bobibutu

I was 7 or 8 when China invaded and took over Tibet. I gave up on the notion that God was in charge right then.

It was God's Plan.
///

27 Kragar  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:56:27pm

Its odd how often God's Plan calls for blind, pigheaded ignorance, corrupt leaders and money.

28 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:58:35pm

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

His ways are not our ways.

29 freetoken  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 9:59:27pm

I've just spent some time with the creationists (which as I've asserted before is somewhat akin to spending time at an asylum) and come here and whamo y'all are tackling more of the same...

I've been trying to formulate a good summary of what is going on in this country, now, as far as politics and such, and I'm really centering in on how our society is going through and existential crisis of sorts. The old way, the old views, which are for example being pushed in the quoted comment in Charles' write-up, are fighting back against what is becomingly clearly a losing battle for them.

Modernity has been overwhelming to many. The changes that have occurred in the last 100 years have been significant. They really do call into question the patriarchal religion that for almost 1700 years has been dominant in the West.

30 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:00:17pm

re: #23 Slumbering Behemoth

Nah, the Tibetans probably made a pact with the devil or tolerated gays or something like that. God was punishing them.
/

It's probably because of that Dalai Lama guy and what he thinks about science.

31 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:04:26pm

re: #29 freetoken

The old way, the old views, which are for example being pushed in the quoted comment in Charles' write-up, are fighting back against what is becomingly clearly a losing battle for them.

But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!

32 Lidane  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:06:35pm

Isn't this the right wing view of pretty much anything?

AGW? Who cares? God's in charge. Are you poor/sick/old/on welfare? Fuck you, God's in charge and he hates anything that helps you since it interferes with his plans. Taxes? They're evil, because God said so.

33 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:06:45pm

re: #30 prononymous

I can't be certain, but I think I saw that dude at the airport many years ago. I recall seeing orange colored thermals under the regular robes, and I couldn't help but think "That's cheating".

34 Kragar  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:08:00pm

Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it.

Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you.

He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!

- George Carlin

35 Bob Dillon  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:09:27pm

There is a parallel to this line of thinking "don't worry, God's in charge" in the Arab world as well.

36 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:09:42pm

re: #28 Slumbering Behemoth

His ways are not our ways.

I'd be ashamed of humanity if they were.

37 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:09:48pm

re: #32 Lidane

On religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both.

I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?
And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."

38 Lidane  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:10:12pm

re: #29 freetoken

Modernity has been overwhelming to many. The changes that have occurred in the last 100 years have been significant. They really do call into question the patriarchal religion that for almost 1700 years has been dominant in the West.

Forget the last 100 years. The last 15-20 years have been a complete shift and some people simply cannot adapt.

Everything has literally changed from the way things were. Communications, technology, jobs, educational requirements, etc. The people fighting it the hardest are the ones who cannot accept that change.

39 Lidane  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:13:20pm

re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

George Carlin is awesome. When I was in middle school and high school, I had a bunch of his albums and I'd listen to them constantly. It was great.

40 laZardo  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:15:10pm

re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hence, anti-logic. :D

41 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:15:38pm

re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Uh, now, now, stay with me on this one, folks. Uh, Sally Struthers has a Tiberian junker, which is, uh, the favorite ship of the Hutts, and she has trapped our uh, our our new CBC ship in a uh, poe-sitronic tractor beam.

Uh, so we're gonna need an ionic tractor disruptor. Now now, not a regular ionic di- tractor disruptor, but a negative ionic tractor disruptor to uh, help spread the Word of Jesus."

42 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:15:47pm

re: #38 Lidane

Everything has literally changed from the way things were. Communications, technology, jobs, educational requirements, etc. The people fighting it the hardest are the ones who cannot accept that change.

You mean those sullen people clinging to their guns and Bibles?

43 freetoken  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:19:58pm

re: #38 Lidane

Yeah, the last 20 years has seen quite an acceleration of change on an international scale.

Still, I maintain that many people are still having a hard time with century (or more) old ideas, the ideas brought forward by Lyell, Darwin, and Wellhausen. Those three destroyed much of what once was thought of as "true".

44 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:20:19pm

re: #42 ralphieboy

"Bitter". The word is bitter. Geez, get with the program.

45 Westward Ho  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:22:06pm

I think that it would be appropriate to quote Stendahl here.

God's excuse is that he does not exist.

46 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:22:31pm

re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Why does an all powerful omnipresent being need my money again?

God doesn't need your money.

The church, however, has charitable projects, and an electric bill.

47 Lidane  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:24:15pm

re: #42 ralphieboy

You mean those sullen people clinging to their guns and Bibles?

Nah, not just them. The Buy American isolationists who can't process that most of our business supply chains, even for American companies, are overseas. The 101st Chairborne idiots who think that nuking Mecca is a good idea. There's plenty of examples of people who can't adapt to the new world beyond the folks clinging to guns and religion.

48 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:26:05pm

re: #46 SanFranciscoZionist

God doesn't need your money.

The church, however, has charitable projects, and an electric bill.

...And Bentley payments.

49 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:30:43pm

Time to break it up with some slightly related humor:

[Link: basicinstructions.net...]

50 MellyMel  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:33:05pm

See, I was all set to post my first comment in about forever, and now have to hunt down the stink bug that just flew by my head. If they are a part of climate change, where do I donate to save the planet from stink bugs?

51 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:36:51pm

re: #50 MellyMel

See, I was all set to post my first comment in about forever, and now have to hunt down the stink bug that just flew by my head. If they are a part of climate change, where do I donate to save the planet from stink bugs?

Not part of climate change, it's just the beginning of a biblical plague you're being hit with. You probably made the mistake of letting a woman voice her opinion in your house or something like that, and you're being punished for it.
/

52 Varek Raith  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:38:30pm

We're boned.

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:39:15pm

I would love to believe in the theory of a divine toddler gate. It would make me rest easier.

But I don't.

54 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:39:41pm

re: #47 Lidane

Nah, not just them. The Buy American isolationists who can't process that most of our business supply chains, even for American companies, are overseas. The 101st Chairborne idiots who think that nuking Mecca is a good idea. There's plenty of examples of people who can't adapt to the new world beyond the folks clinging to guns and religion.

I'd say that buying local is a good idea if the product can be produced efficiently here. In many cases supply chains are located in places like China because that's where the businesses are. And the businesses are there because China subsidizes them in order to create an industry.

I know I have posted this before but the CEO of Bridgelux talks about it in this video, and he sure the hell isn't a "buy american" fanatic:

55 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:41:32pm

re: #5 Killgore Trout

O'Reilly: "Nobody Can Control The Climate But God, So Give A Little Extra At Mass Or Services"

Against my better judgment, I watched that just now.

Heh. I thought the "Nobody Can Control The Climate But God, So Give A Little Extra At Mass Or Services" headline was just a paraphrasing of O'Rly's point, but those were his exact words.

Wow. Just, wow.

:sigh:

56 Varek Raith  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:42:20pm

re: #55 Slumbering Behemoth

Against my better judgment, I watched that just now.

Heh. I thought the "Nobody Can Control The Climate But God, So Give A Little Extra At Mass Or Services" headline was just a paraphrasing of O'Rly's point, but those were his exact words.

Wow. Just, wow.

:sigh:

God also needs a starship.

57 MellyMel  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:45:28pm

re: #51 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, I got him -- big sucker too! And if that was payment for a woman speaking her mind in my house I am in for one hell of a plague. On the upside, my husband could probably use a break once in a while.

58 brainiac-dumdum  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:45:41pm

I think part of the problem is that Reps equate environmentalism with liberals and to acknowledge climate change as a legitimate concern would be an admission that they're wrong and environmental issues are important

59 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:49:38pm

re: #55 Slumbering Behemoth

Against my better judgment, I watched that just now.

Heh. I thought the "Nobody Can Control The Climate But God, So Give A Little Extra At Mass Or Services" headline was just a paraphrasing of O'Rly's point, but those were his exact words.

Wow. Just, wow.

:sigh:

"Life and death are in God's hands, so go ahead and eat that rotting meat. As long as you pray over it, should turn out fine."

Who taught these people about religion? A slot machine manufacturer?

60 freetoken  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:49:55pm

WND is pushing this DailyFail article:

So what left a scar on the head of state? Line on President Obama's crown sparks conspiracy theories

So it's come to this.

Weekly World News folded too early - they could be thriving right now.

61 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:50:05pm

re: #52 Varek Raith

Not if those of us with brains keep pushing forward. The fundies have had the lion's share of power in this nation for quite some time, and they have grown inappropriately accustomed to it.

It's slipping away from them, and the craziness we see now is simply the cry of a wounded, sinister beast. We're only boned if we give up fighting against such evil creatures.

62 Varek Raith  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:50:59pm

re: #60 freetoken

WND is pushing this DailyFail article:

So what left a scar on the head of state? Line on President Obama's crown sparks conspiracy theories

So it's come to this.

Weekly World News folded too early - they could be thriving right now.

What.

63 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:54:03pm

re: #60 freetoken

WND is pushing this DailyFail article:

So what left a scar on the head of state? Line on President Obama's crown sparks conspiracy theories

So it's come to this.

Weekly World News folded too early - they could be thriving right now.

In the comments:

Come back David Icke, All is Forgiven.

64 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 10:56:10pm

re: #60 freetoken

"Hello wingnuts! Look at George Lopez. Now back to me. Now back at George. Now back to me. Shall we revisit this whole 'scar' theory of yours"?

/Apologies to Mr. Lopez

65 boxhead  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:00:11pm

re: #60 freetoken

Weekly World News folded too early - they could be thriving right now.

They were the best checkout line read in the grocery store... :) guilty pleasure

66 MellyMel  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:00:50pm

re: #58 brainiac-dumdum

Don't tell anyone, but there actually are republicans who believe environmental issues are important. We just like to keep it secret for when we take over the world -- bwahhaaa!

/

67 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:01:35pm

re: #66 MellyMel

Don't tell anyone, but there actually are republicans who believe environmental issues are important. We just like to keep it secret for when we take over the world -- bwahhaaa!

/

Could you maybe start by taking over the Republican Party?

Pleeeaaase?

/

68 boxhead  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:03:42pm

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

Could you maybe start by taking over the Republican Party?

Pleeeaaase?

/

How I miss William Buckley, Jr.

69 MellyMel  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:03:51pm

re: #65 boxhead

I always loved it when they declared satan had escaped hell for the 500th time...

70 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:03:52pm

re: #59 SanFranciscoZionist

Heh. My granny is big on "sayin' grace" before a meal. Whenever it's leftovers I tell her not to worry, they've been pre-blessed.

71 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:04:16pm

re: #69 MellyMel

I always loved it when they declared satan had escaped hell for the 500th time...

Bad security?

72 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:05:01pm

re: #66 MellyMel

*cough*

73 laZardo  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:05:30pm

re: #70 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. My granny is big on "sayin' grace" before a meal. Whenever it's leftovers I tell her not to worry, they've been pre-blessed.

Heh, so's my dad. I ought to tell him that next time over dinner.

74 boxhead  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:07:50pm

re: #69 MellyMel

I always loved it when they declared satan had escaped hell for the 500th time...

Reminds me of this great Twilight Zone episode...

The Howling Man

75 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:08:38pm

re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist

It happens all the time. There is an open door policy for him, apparently.

76 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:10:29pm

re: #73 laZardo

Well, my granny has a sense of humor, so long as you're not being overtly 'blasphemous', so your mileage may vary.

77 Amory Blaine  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:12:19pm

Here's another viewpoint from the day before.

Who cares.

78 brainiac-dumdum  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:14:27pm

re: #66 MellyMel

Don't tell anyone, but there actually are republicans who believe environmental issues are important. We just like to keep it secret for when we take over the world -- bwahhaaa!

/

Yup, i hear there's even pro-choice republicans (kay baily hutchison and tom ridge off the top of my head.) Too bad y'all can't be heard over the roar of insanity.

Are you a hip hop fan, or is tthe melly mel name a coincidence?

79 boxhead  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:15:08pm

re: #77 Amory Blaine

Here's another viewpoint from the day before.

Who cares.

What I am amazed about the folks that say working to slow down our dependence on fossil fuels will hurt the economy is that developing new technology in order to do that would be a boost to our economy. The problem is that USA is WAY behind other nations now....

sigh

80 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:15:26pm

re: #77 Amory Blaine

FAIL in the very first sentence. If there were an Olympic event for confusing global climate with local weather, that goober just won gold.

81 laZardo  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:15:28pm

re: #76 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, my granny has a sense of humor, so long as you're not being overtly 'blasphemous', so your mileage may vary.

I'm more likely to get less mileage with "blasphemy" jokes with mom. She's the "born-again," Dad's the "old Catholic."

82 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:20:32pm

re: #79 boxhead

I'm of the opinion that it will have a negative impact on our economy at first, followed by a greater positive impact as such technologies develop.

I also believe that if we choose to invest in such technologies, we will reap the benefits in a variety of yet to be realized, horizontal product lines much the same way we have from military and space exploration research in the past.

83 simoom  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:21:57pm

A couple old articles on Paul Ryan, though very relevant now that he's the beltway media's "courageous" and very "serious" person who will save us from our burdensome social safety net. I'll just stitch together a few excerpts:

TPM: Who Is John Galt? Maybe He's Paul Ryan

Rep. Paul Ryan's (R-WI) determination to privatize Social Security and dismantle Medicare -- what he calls a "collectivist system" -- comes, at least in part, from his longstanding devotion to the works of Ayn Rand.

Rand developed the objectivist philosophy, which values the self, capitalism and laissez-faire economics. Ryan, the ranking member of the House Budget Committee, reportedly requires staffers and interns to read her opus, Atlas Shrugged, and gives out copies as gifts.

In his keynote address to CPAC last year, Ryan said Obama's policies sound "like something right out of an Ayn Rand novel."
...
In interviews, he has said Republicans should frame the choice between "collectivism" and capitalism as a moral choice.

"We have an opportunity to make a choice clearly once and for all in the next two elections, and we owe it to the American people to give them a clear choice: Do you want a collectivist welfare state or do you want to get back to being a free market? We need to make a moral, not just practical or statistical, case," he told Reason, a libertarian magazine, in December.

[Link: www.jsonline.com...]

"The reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand," Ryan said at a D.C. gathering four years ago honoring the author of "Atlas Shrugged" and "The Fountainhead."
...
At the Rand celebration he spoke at in 2005, Ryan invoked the central theme of Rand's writings when he told his audience that, "Almost every fight we are involved in here on Capitol Hill  . . .  is a fight that usually comes down to one conflict - individualism versus collectivism."

In that struggle, Ryan argued that shifting Social Security (which he called a "collectivist system") toward personal investment accounts was not only good policy, but would change the political landscape, according to a recording of the event made by its host, The Atlas Society.

"If we actually accomplish this goal of personalizing Social Security, think of what we will accomplish. Every worker, every laborer in America will not only be a laborer but a capitalist. They will be an owner of society.  . . .  That's that many more people in America who are not going to listen to the likes of Dick Gephardt and Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, the collectivist, class-warfare-breathing demagogues," said Ryan.

Looks like an Objectivist has been put in charge of the asylum... we're screwed, aren't we?

84 freetoken  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:22:43pm

re: #83 simoom


Looks like an Objectivist has been put in charge of the asylum... we're screwed, aren't we?

Yes.

85 boxhead  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:25:08pm

re: #82 Slumbering Behemoth

We cold have benefited from selling this technology to the rest of the world... We missed that boat. Now we buy from other countries...

86 boxhead  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:25:34pm

re: #85 boxhead

We cold have benefited from selling this technology to the rest of the world... We missed that boat. Now we buy from other countries...

s/cold/could/

ARRR

87 MellyMel  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:28:03pm

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

These days, I wish. Trump? Newt? Huckabee? Ugggghhhhh! If we keep this shit up, the party really is freaking doomed.

-- Hey, stop crossing your fingers you! ;-)

88 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:29:04pm
At the Rand celebration he spoke at in 2005, Ryan invoked the central theme of Rand's writings when he told his audience that, "Almost every fight we are involved in here on Capitol Hill  . . .  is a fight that usually comes down to one conflict - individualism versus collectivism."

If one seeks true and absolute individualism, one should seek Somalia.

89 MellyMel  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:30:35pm

re: #72 Slumbering Behemoth

Now in my favs -- thanks!

90 boxhead  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:30:56pm

re: #88 Slumbering Behemoth

is a fight that usually comes down to one conflict - individualism versus collectivism."

I prefer "We The People, of the United States of America". I suppose that is collectivism.

91 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:35:07pm
92 simoom  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:40:52pm

This caught my eye as I was searching for "Paul Ryan and "Ayn Rand". From Esquire's politics blog (over the top, but an impressive rant all the same):

Paul Ryan and the New Politics of Sadism

And, in the Congress, there is Congressman Paul Ryan, who is angling right now to make a career out of political sadism.

Make no mistake: Ryan is a thoroughgoing nutball, as bug-house crazy on economics as Peter King is on Muslims and Steve King is on anyone swarthier than himself. He is a lifelong adherent to the doctrines of Ayn Rand, which ought to disqualify anyone from ever being taken seriously enough to park cars by anyone over the age of fifteen. In terms of their connection to actual human reality, the difference between the doctrines of Ayn Rand and the doctrines of L. Ron Hubbard is not substantial, and the fervor of their acolytes is almost exactly the same. Picking Paul Ryan to handle your political economy is tantamount to electing Tom Cruise to be pope.

93 MellyMel  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:40:58pm

re: #78 brainiac-dumdum

Both actually. "The Message" remains one of my top 2 (all genres included) favorite musical numbers. It is also is a nickname that was given to me a long time ago by a friend because of my actual name (Melissa).

94 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:41:52pm

re: #87 MellyMel

Howdy, registered republican (at least until the next primary), and self proclaimed conservative here.

I actually am crossing my fingers, hoping to see the GOP go down in flames. I'd like to see them replaced by a conservative party that doesn't use the force of gov't to inflict their 'morals' upon women, gays, children, education, science, you name it, and one which does not come with a superstitious cloak of mythology.

Hey, I can dream, can't I?

95 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:43:38pm

re: #91 laZardo

Not sure it's such a good idea to link that site here. Just sayin'.

96 Varek Raith  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:44:49pm

re: #91 laZardo

Semi-OT Anon Thread Of The Moment:

If Real Life really was one big MMORPG, how would it be patched?

XD

note: potentially nsfw as these threads go.

lol

Free respecs and gender swaps please.
97 boxhead  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:46:49pm

re: #94 Slumbering Behemoth

Howdy, registered republican (at least until the next primary), and self proclaimed conservative here.

I actually am crossing my fingers, hoping to see the GOP go down in flames. I'd like to see them replaced by a conservative party that doesn't use the force of gov't to inflict their 'morals' upon women, gays, children, education, science, you name it, and one which does not come with a superstitious cloak of mythology.

Hey, I can dream, can't I?

It would be nice to have real honest debate between the two parties, with those involved genuinely wanting the best for our Country.

98 tnguitarist  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:48:08pm

I though I was the only one up this late.

99 boxhead  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:49:15pm

re: #98 tnguitarist

I though I was the only one up this late.

Not quite midnight in my timezone... :)

100 Varek Raith  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:49:49pm

re: #99 boxhead

Not quite midnight in my timezone... :)

2:49 am here.
Got home a while ago.
Night shifts suck.

101 tnguitarist  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:52:08pm

My mother got fired from her job of 34 years today. No warning, nothing. A year away from retirement and one month away from knee surgery. By a woman that's been with the company less than a year. Gotta love these 'right to work' states! How fucking Orwellian is that, btw?

102 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:53:02pm

re: #97 boxhead

It's become a kind of televangelism. Both sides of the aisle are quite guilty of this, but the right side of the aisle seems to be going for Epic Swaggart since '09.

103 MellyMel  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:55:53pm

re: #94 Slumbering Behemoth

I agree, sort of. I don't want to see the party go down in flames (unless we really do nominate one of these tools, which is looking inevitiable) but I totally agree we need to get these fanatics to just STFU and go away. I don't know what the hell happened, but I still think there are more of us than there are of them in the republican party. Is it just me, or does it seem like the crazy level or better yet -- the acceptance of the crazy -- went up about 1000 notches after Obama got elected?

104 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:56:17pm

re: #101 tnguitarist

My condolences.

California is a 'right to work' state. Sure can knock you flat, especially if you don't see it coming.

105 tnguitarist  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:58:18pm

re: #104 Slumbering Behemoth

My condolences.

California is a 'right to work' state. Sure can knock you flat, especially if you don't see it coming.

She is devastated. She gave half her life to that place. Never even a write-up in 34 years. Just thrown out like trash.

106 engineer cat  Wed, Apr 6, 2011 11:59:08pm

this stuff rachel has been talking about with the fucking koch bros is giving me a bad case of the stalins

107 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 12:01:20am

re: #104 Slumbering Behemoth

My condolences.

California is a 'right to work' state. Sure can knock you flat, especially if you don't see it coming.

It is?
I thought it wasn't...

108 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 12:03:37am

re: #103 MellyMel

Is it just me, or does it seem like the crazy level or better yet -- the acceptance of the crazy -- went up about 1000 notches after Obama got elected?

I'd say it's the exposure level of the crazy, followed distantly by the acceptance level.

I was briefly a part of greater wingnuttia for a time during Clinton's first term. The insanity was about the same, and the conspiracy theories nearly identical to the crap going around now. The difference is, back then you had to know people, trade videos or literature. Today, the internet amplifies these connections and reaches a broader audience.

109 engineer cat  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 12:04:13am

re: #107 Varek Raith

It is?
I thought it wasn't...

oh, it is, alright

"you can be fired at any time for any reason, or for no reason"

i hear that every time i get a new job

110 engineer cat  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 12:05:29am

re: #109 engineer dog

oh, it is, alright

"you can be fired at any time for any reason, or for no reason"

i hear that every time i get a new job

i'm sorry - my mistake - i meant california is an "at will" state

"right to work" means that it's easier to bust unions...

111 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 12:05:46am

re: #105 tnguitarist

Truly fucked up. Sorry to hear it.

re: #107 Varek Raith

It is. I found out the hard way. 'Cept out here we're called 'at will' employees.

112 boxhead  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 12:05:46am

re: #101 tnguitarist

My mother got fired from her job of 34 years today. No warning, nothing. A year away from retirement and one month away from knee surgery. By a woman that's been with the company less than a year. Gotta love these 'right to work' states! How fucking Orwellian is that, btw?

I really can't see the logic in marginalizing the employes that do the bulk of the work. I can't see the logic in not protecting the workers rights. It makes USA stronger. All I can see is that those that attack USA workers do not love USA. They do not want USA to be strong. They want to hate others based on where one lives, where one worships or not, who one loves, etc. Wanting USA Citizens Rights over corporations is socialist to them. Have none of them read what the Founders thought about concentration of monies in the hands of few would do to this Country?

sigh....

and with that, I must adjourn from LGF. Need to burn off this angst upon the other first person shooters playing on the net.

good night all

113 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 12:06:47am

re: #111 Slumbering Behemoth

Truly fucked up. Sorry to hear it.

re: #107 Varek Raith

It is. I found out the hard way. 'Cept out here we're called 'at will' employees.

Euphemisms FTW!
/
That sucks.

114 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 12:09:58am

re: #112 boxhead

and with that, I must adjourn from LGF. Need to burn off this angst upon the other first person shooters playing on the net.

I've always found this game to be helpful in that regard. Not an FPS, but brutally cathartic just the same.

115 MellyMel  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 12:12:19am

re: #108 Slumbering Behemoth

That's funny -- I came damn close to voting for Clinton. "Damn close" as in "in the voting booth" close. I guess I didn't see it as much back then for the very reason you pointed out.

116 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 12:12:39am

re: #114 Slumbering Behemoth

I've always found this game to be helpful in that regard. Not an FPS, but brutally cathartic just the same.

I load up Fallout 3 and let the mini nukes fly!

117 boxhead  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 12:13:20am

re: #114 Slumbering Behemoth

I've always found this game to be helpful in that regard. Not an FPS, but brutally cathartic just the same.

OK... one last post.. LOL

I play Urban Terror which is an FPS based on Quake 3 engine. It will play on just about anything. Their tag line is Fun over realism. and it is just that. Been playing for over ten years with many of the same folks of which we BS each other on Team Speak... good times...

:p

nite for reals now... :)

118 MellyMel  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 12:14:24am

Night all and sleep well!

119 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 12:15:08am

re: #112 boxhead

I really can't see the logic in marginalizing the employes that do the bulk of the work. I can't see the logic in not protecting the workers rights. It makes USA stronger. All I can see is that those that attack USA workers do not love USA. They do not want USA to be strong. They want to hate others based on where one lives, where one worships or not, who one loves, etc. Wanting USA Citizens Rights over corporations is socialist to them. Have none of them read what the Founders thought about concentration of monies in the hands of few would do to this Country?

sigh...

and with that, I must adjourn from LGF. Need to burn off this angst upon the other first person shooters playing on the net.

good night all

I'm with you. I don't understand why we're afraid of a strong working class. Oh wait......profit.

120 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 12:15:28am

re: #113 Varek Raith

Oh no dude, it's truly a good thing. Just as the employer legally has the right to fire anyone without reason or notice, the employee also has the legal right to quit at any time without reason or notice. It's mutually beneficial, you see. Win/Win.

/need I?

121 Hector1980  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 12:17:41am

re: #60 freetoken

It's obviously plastic surgery to remove the "666"

122 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 12:21:20am

re: #115 MellyMel

That's funny -- I came damn close to voting for Clinton. "Damn close" as in "in the voting booth" close. I guess I didn't see it as much back then for the very reason you pointed out.

I didn't even come close. I saw him as the devil incarnate. At first.

But the further along I walked on the path to Greater Wingnuttia, the more Alex Joneses and World Nut Daily writers I saw. It became evident to me that I had been duped by liars with cynical agendas. I became so disgusted with the whole affair that I dropped out of politics for quite a few years.

Still, I'm grateful for the experience.

123 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 12:22:53am

re: #121 Hector1980

It's obviously plastic surgery to remove the "666"

You shouldn't have. That will be their meme in 3...2...1...

124 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 12:25:10am

re: #116 Varek Raith

Too easy. One must bleed for true catharsis.

125 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 12:32:56am

Heh, gonna stomp some ones and zeros myself.

Laters y'all.

126 Summer Seale  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 12:53:00am

re: #35 Bobibutu

There is a parallel to this line of thinking "don't worry, God's in charge" in the Arab world as well.

Insha'llah.

127 laZardo  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 1:07:28am

re: #94 Slumbering Behemoth

Howdy, registered republican (at least until the next primary), and self proclaimed conservative here.

I actually am crossing my fingers, hoping to see the GOP go down in flames. I'd like to see them replaced by a conservative party that doesn't use the force of gov't to inflict their 'morals' upon women, gays, children, education, science, you name it, and one which does not come with a superstitious cloak of mythology.

Hey, I can dream, can't I?

If you mean the Democrats replacing that party, with the Greens as the new liberals, then I share your dream.

In the meantime I just hope the Greens kick out Cynthia...

128 engineer cat  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 1:14:56am

re: #127 laZardo

here's my vision of the lineup of the parties sometime in the future:

True One And Only Realty Conservative Republican Party (Wingnuts)
Original True Conservative Republican Party (Wall Street)
Democratic Party (slightly to the left of Eisenhower)
Social Democrats
Greens
Socialists

129 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 2:01:24am

Maryland man glued to Wal-Mart toilet seat

(CNN) -- Police in Maryland are on the hunt for the perpetrator of what appears to be an April Fools' prank that left a man glued to a toilet at a Wal-Mart store.

If caught, the jokester who doused the seat with glue at the Elkton Wal-Mart on March 31 could face second-degree assault charges, said Lt. Matthew Donnelly of the Elkton Police Department.

Police, along with the Singerly Fire Company and the Cecil County Paramedics, were called to the scene at about 7 p.m.

There, they found the 48-year-old victim, who called for help after realizing the sticky situation he was in when he tried -- and failed -- to stand up and leave the superstore's restroom, Donnelly said.

It took responders 15 minutes to remove the victim from the stall, but they were unable to disconnect the toilet seat from his body, Donnelly said.

Instead, the victim was taken to Union Hospital of Cecil County, where the seat was detached. He left with only minor injuries to his buttocks, Donnelly said.

Police do not suspect that the victim was specifically targeted, but that the incident was a random prank, Donnelly said. They have not received reports of glue-laden toilet seats since.

Lol.

130 researchok  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 3:08:32am

Morning, all.

131 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 3:33:57am

Two explosions heard in central Tripoli and two aircraft seen overhead, CNN's Nic Robertson reports.

132 researchok  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 3:53:23am

Time to hit the road...later all.

133 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 4:10:11am

re: #129 Varek Raith

Lol?

That would be very painful. Embarrassing beyond words.

Dude didn't even have Murtaugh to pull him off and into a bathtub.

134 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 4:15:15am

re: #15 Slumbering Behemoth

This doesn't even need LVQ's expertise. This person is using deficient, magical thinking to attempt to deny global warming. I imagine LVQ would be just as eager to debate this mental midget as Dawkins would be to debate a creationist.

Ludwig would explain that G-D doesn't prevent us from fucking things up on our own. That's called "free will." Also--Ludwig is not an atheist, he is a devout believer.

135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 4:18:18am

re: #134 Alouette

Yup.

136 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 4:24:20am

re: #134 Alouette

I really don't get how people of faith can think that God is there to save them from their own physical mistakes. I can understand believing he's there to save from moral, spiritual, et al. mistakes, but the concept that God will swoop down and save a dumbass from the consequences of their own dumbassery seems to reduce God to a nanny.

137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 4:26:01am

re: #136 Obdicut

Or as a superhero type.

138 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 4:28:17am

re: #137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Or as a superhero type.

Heh. There are these awesome church paintings in Italy that my dad, the medievalist, calls the "supersaint" paintings. It was a short-lived tradition to show saints acting as, basically, superheroes. Like, the painting will show a child falling from a tree, and a supersaint, his legs in a cloud as he zooms along, rushing towards him to catch him.

Or he'll be, like, stopping the roof of a building from falling while people run away, floating in mid-air.

I think people quickly realized how corny that was.

139 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 4:28:19am

re: #136 Obdicut

I really don't get how people of faith can think that God is there to save them from their own physical mistakes. I can understand believing he's there to save from moral, spiritual, et al. mistakes, but the concept that God will swoop down and save a dumbass from the consequences of their own dumbassery seems to reduce God to a nanny.

Sadly, I see a lot of that magical thinking.

140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 4:33:07am

re: #138 Obdicut

Guardian Angel stuff.

I'm a Christian and certainly don't buy into that nonsense.

God loves this guy over here so he sent a guardian angel to save him from the fire, but he hated that baby over there, so God sent no help.

Defies logic, so I don't play the game.

141 BongCrodny  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 4:34:17am

Back in the old days when people were more religious, there were no floods, earthquakes or other natural disasters.

It's a fact. You could look it up.


// (Just in case.)

142 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 4:39:45am

Morning all

143 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 4:44:57am

re: #138 Obdicut

Some poor little Italian lady who's child was killed after falling out of a tree or who's Husband was crushed under a falling roof questioned the priest why God punished her so...

144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 4:45:11am

re: #142 RogueOne

Ding whore.

145 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 4:54:10am

In early human societies, those who were believed to have the power to divine and comment upon God's will were powerful figures.

And there are still people who feel the need to assume this role, even when human knowledge has progressed beyond the need for a divine explanation of why the tides go in or out or why there are earthquakes.

146 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 4:54:38am

re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ding whore.

I prefer "Slut". It has a much nicer ring to it.

147 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 4:56:42am

Anyone seen Navy around lately? He didn't get shipped out to Libya and not tell us did he?

148 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 4:58:38am

re: #133 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Lol?

That would be very painful. Embarrassing beyond words.

Dude didn't even have Murtaugh to pull him off and into a bathtub.

I'm evil.
What can I say?

149 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:03:51am

re: #148 Varek Raith

I'm evil.
What can I say?

It is funny but I wonder if he did it to himself. Who doesn't check the seat for cleanliness before sitting down?

150 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:05:12am

re: #148 Varek Raith

I'm evil.
What can I say?

Besides, I've had my own run ins with the joys of super glue.
Everyone should share in the pain.
/

151 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:07:30am

re: #147 RogueOne

Anyone seen Navy around lately? He didn't get shipped out to Libya and not tell us did he?

Ted Striker: My orders came through. My squadron ships out tomorrow. We're bombing the storage depots at Daiquiri at 1800 hours. We're coming in from the north, below their radar.
Elaine Dickinson: When will you be back?
Ted Striker: I can't tell you that. It's classified.

152 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:08:08am

re: #150 Varek Raith

Besides, I've had my own run ins with the joys of super glue.
Everyone should share in the pain.
/

Last time I got some super glue on my fingers by mistake, it took a day or so to get off. I didn't want to use acetone because I had just gotten a new manicure.

153 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:08:55am

re: #152 Alouette

There has to be a pun in there about using acetone to get someone off a toilet seat...

154 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:09:01am

Good point...

This is what people who believe in science and rationality are up against — millions of drones indoctrinated with superstitious nonsense.

Yet you still have believers... all over the place... believing in a magic man in the sky... I see it all the time.

155 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:11:25am

SanFran wants to know who is attending concerts:

[Link: www.sfgov2.org...]


Notice of Hearing on Proposed Adoption of Rules Related to Security at Places of Entertainment and One Time Events:
...
3. All occupants of the premises shall be ID Scanned (including patrons, promoters, and performers, etc.). ID scanning data shall be maintained on a data storage system for no less than 15 days and shall be made available to local law enforcement upon request.

4. High visibility cameras shall be located at each entrance and exit point of the premises. Said cameras shall maintain a recorded data base for no less than fifteen (15 days) and made available to local law enforcement upon request.

5. The exterior of the premises shall be equipped with lighting of sufficient power to illuminate and make easily discernible the appearance and conduct of all persons on or about the premises. Additionally, the position of such lighting shall not disturb the normal privacy and use of any neighboring residences.

156 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:14:55am

Gotta run, see you folks later. Enjoy the day (it could be your last!)

157 Flounder  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:16:07am

Well, I thank God every day for my sobriety. I take offense at calling people who believe in God superstitious.

158 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:19:37am

Good morning lizards!

159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:22:42am

re: #157 Shropshire_Slasher

Well, I thank God every day for my sobriety. I take offense at calling people who believe in God superstitious.

See? Now. I also kind of take umbrage at the "Superstitious" thing... at the same time... I think some folks do take it to a "Superhero, Guardian Angel" level, like in that letter, then I don't mind as much.

Oh, heck, I don't know.

(By the way, first time I've ever typed the word "Umbrage" had to look it up for spelling. Thought it was "Umbridge". But, I was wrong. Yay for that little squiggly red line.)

160 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:23:37am

re: #138 Obdicut

I think people quickly realized how corny that was.

Are you sure? ;)

Image: jesus_is_almighty.jpg
Image: one_nation_under_God.jpg
Image: 673%20-%20comic%20hercules%20jesus.jpg
Image: Jesus-white-horse.jpg

Heh. I know those aren't all serious. I find them funny, none the less. While I was browsing GIS Jesus pictures I found a photoshopped picture of Charles, as Obama, as the Joker. Lol, I wish I could make that up.

161 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:25:07am

re: #160 prononymous

Jesus is Ahnuld?

I'm a Christian, but I think Jesus looked more like Woody Allen than he looked like Ted Nugent.

162 Flounder  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:25:09am

re: #159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

But at home I'm known to yell "HELP ME JEEBUS" cuz that is what Homer would say...

163 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:27:46am

re: #161 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Jesus is Ahnuld?

I'm a Christian, but I think Jesus looked more like Woody Allen than he looked like Ted Nugent.

Why Woody Allen?

164 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:28:32am

Heck with ya. I gotta go to work.

165 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:33:15am

Author Of Pedophilia How-To Book Gets Probation
Phillip R. Greaves Will Not Have To Register As Sex Offender

A Colorado man who wrote "The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure" has been sentenced to two years probation in Florida.

As part of a deal with Polk County prosecutors, 48-year-old Phillip R. Greaves II, of Pueblo, pleaded no contest Wednesday to distributing obscene material depicting minors engaged in conduct harmful to minors. He will serve his probation in Colorado. He will not have to register as a sex offender.

Greaves' self-published book caused a stir when it showed up on Amazon.com in November. It was later removed from the website.

I'm all for free speech but this just isn't right. I can't believe that he doesn't have to register as a sex offender.

166 Flounder  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:33:43am

I'm off to spread cheer and maybe go a little more in debt, can't take it to heaven/hell/wherever we go.

167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:33:48am

re: #163 Alouette

Little nerdy look. I just think it's funny. It's how I picture him.

168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:35:27am

re: #163 Alouette

Got any other suggestions? You probably have a much better idea.

169 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:37:08am

re: #157 Shropshire_Slasher

Well, I thank God every day for my sobriety. I take offense at calling people who believe in God superstitious.

Why?

170 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:37:11am

re: #165 iceweasel

Author Of Pedophilia How-To Book Gets Probation
Phillip R. Greaves Will Not Have To Register As Sex Offender

I'm all for free speech but this just isn't right. I can't believe that he doesn't have to register as a sex offender.

I think the sex offender registries have become so broad as to be nearly useless. I think they should be on a strongly case-by-case basis, with the guiding principle being how much harm the person is capable of. This guy deserves to be on it. A nineteen year old who streaked doesn't.

171 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:39:09am

re: #168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Got any other suggestions? You probably have a much better idea.

Charles.

172 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:39:30am

///

173 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:41:20am

re: #170 Obdicut

I think the sex offender registries have become so broad as to be nearly useless. I think they should be on a strongly case-by-case basis, with the guiding principle being how much harm the person is capable of. This guy deserves to be on it. A nineteen year old who streaked doesn't.

I completely agree with you. They're certainly useless when a guy like this doesn't have to register, but an 18 year old who had consensual sex with his 15 year old girlfriend does.

174 bratwurst  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:41:24am

Anyone else see Trump double down on Birtherism during a Morning Joe call-in just now? Now I have to take ANOTHER shower.

175 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:42:08am

re: #157 Shropshire_Slasher

Well, I thank God every day for my sobriety. I take offense at calling people who believe in God superstitious.

There is believeing in God, and then there is believing that everything written in the Bible is literally true, and then adding a leavening of old cultural susperstitions that fit into the general pattern...

176 sod  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:44:10am

We've got a pretty big church just on the other side of the backyard fence. I've been a couple of times (against my will). Very slick. Good production value. Many of the stories I watched on the big screen were those who had been to the gutter and back and then found God. Struck me more as a rehab center than church. Not that that's a bad thing I guess.

177 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:45:17am

re: #173 iceweasel

I completely agree with you. They're certainly useless when a guy like this doesn't have to register, but an 18 year old who had consensual sex with his 15 year old girlfriend does.

16 year old boyfriend and 15 years 364 day old girl friend = boyfriend is a perv.

178 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:46:13am

re: #175 ralphieboy

There is believeing in God, and then there is believing that everything written in the Bible is literally true, and then adding a leavening of old cultural susperstitions that fit into the general pattern...

God IS an "old cultural superstitions that fit into the general pattern." This kind of rationalizing is like... my god is not as dogmatic as your god, there fore I can make fun of your theology but my theology is untouchable.

Charles said it perfectly above "This is what people who believe in science and rationality are up against — millions of drones indoctrinated with superstitious nonsense."

179 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:48:37am

re: #177 wozzablog

16 year old boyfriend and 15 years 364 day old girl friend = boyfriend is a perv.

Exactly. I almost wrote 'just under 16 yr old'' but it was too clunky.

How goes it wozza? I just saw Jimmah's dad off on the train. Apparently the traditional Scottish goodbye involves drinking two pints at eleven in the morning and being given a strange bag of meat.*

180 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:52:24am

re: #178 Walter L. Newton

Belief in God as a Prime Mover behind the creation and laws of of nature is perhaps a superstition, but one that can be reconciled with most of modern science, as the two do not overlap.

Belief in God as an intervening agent in the day-to-day functioning of the world and universe is possible only by rejecting science and embracing superstition.

181 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 5:57:02am

re: #179 iceweasel

Exactly. I almost wrote 'just under 16 yr old'' but it was too clunky.

How goes it wozza? I just saw Jimmah's dad off on the train. Apparently the traditional Scottish goodbye involves drinking two pints at eleven in the morning and being given a strange bag of meat.*

I am never - ever afraid of being clunky. Ever. At all. Sometimes it's worth it, being clunky that is.

Just the two pints at 11am? - well, standards are slipping north of the border, that's all i can say. That sausage is awesome - although not as good as white pudding.

I'm well. My GF will be flying over in May (over a year apart by then).
I start a new job today with the Office of National Statistics for a month - have you filled out your census form? ;-)

182 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:00:04am

re: #180 ralphieboy

Belief in God as a Prime Mover behind the creation and laws of of nature is perhaps a superstition, but one that can be reconciled with most of modern science, as the two do not overlap.

Belief in God as an intervening agent in the day-to-day functioning of the world and universe is possible only by rejecting science and embracing superstition.

Fine... I'll go along with your supposition above... so, what benefit arises from this belief " in God as a Prime Mover behind the creation and laws of of nature?"

If believing in god as "an intervening agent in the day-to-day functioning of the world and universe is possible only by rejecting science and embracing superstition" then what purpose does believing in god accomplish?

So... if someone is sick or dying, you don't pray for them? You don't thank god for anything in your life (short of humanity being an afterthought of a non-intervening deity)? Anyone worshipping god is simply giving wasted hours to a god who has abandoned us to our own devices.

What's does you belief accomplish?

183 mr.fusion  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:00:42am

re: #174 bratwurst

Anyone else see Trump double down on Birtherism during a Morning Joe call-in just now? Now I have to take ANOTHER shower.

At this point I think he's octupled down

184 mr.fusion  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:01:48am

re: #182 Walter L. Newton


If believing in god as "an intervening agent in the day-to-day functioning of the world and universe is possible only by rejecting science and embracing superstition" then what purpose does believing in god accomplish?

Virgins after you die. Lots of 'em.

185 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:03:08am

re: #181 wozzablog


Just the two pints at 11am? - well, standards are slipping north of the border, that's all i can say.

Hey, his train left at 12! That was two for each of us.

That sausage is awesome - although not as good as white pudding.

I've never had white pudding. Do I want to?

I'm well. My GF will be flying over in May (over a year apart by then).

I'm so glad to hear it! Hope the days go by quickly til you can see each other again.

I start a new job today with the Office of National Statistics for a month - have you filled out your census form? ;-)

Congrats on the job! Umm...no, we haven't yet. Sorry!

186 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:06:23am

re: #180 ralphieboy

Belief in God as a Prime Mover behind the creation and laws of of nature is perhaps a superstition, but one that can be reconciled with most of modern science, as the two do not overlap.

Belief in God as an intervening agent in the day-to-day functioning of the world and universe is possible only by rejecting science and embracing superstition.

re: #185 iceweasel

Just the two pints at 11am? - well, standards are slipping north of the border, that's all i can say.

Hey, his train left at 12! That was two for each of us.

That sausage is awesome - although not as good as white pudding.

I've never had white pudding. Do I want to?

I'm well. My GF will be flying over in May (over a year apart by then).

I'm so glad to hear it! Hope the days go by quickly til you can see each other again.

I start a new job today with the Office of National Statistics for a month - have you filled out your census form? ;-)

Congrats on the job! Umm...no, we haven't yet. Sorry!

Somebody will be knocking on your door in the next few days with a clipboard.........fill it out and send it back to save someone getting you out the shower at an inconvenient time - for that is when we strike.

white pudding is worth trying - proper stuff if you can get it
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The end of may can not come soon enough. Then hopefully i will be headed to the states at the end of the year or the start of next for a couple of months to stay with her.

187 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:06:44am

re: #186 wozzablog

i don't know what ralphie is doing in there.....

188 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:07:19am

re: #187 wozzablog

i don't know what ralphie is doing in there...

More than two pints already?

189 laZardo  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:08:03am

re: #184 mr.fusion

Virgins after you die. Lots of 'em.*

*quantity, gender and manifested age TBD

190 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:11:00am

re: #186 wozzablog

Good wishes for you both til you can be together again.

White pudding?

Earlier versions (pre-1990) often had brain matter (sheep) added as a binding agent.

Urp.

191 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:13:53am

re: #190 iceweasel

Good wishes for you both til you can be together again.

White pudding?

Urp.

Silly me. I thought "white pudding" was something like this.

192 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:13:55am

I sent you a hiker, a boat and a helicopter, what more do you want?
---God.

193 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:15:20am

re: #190 iceweasel

Good wishes for you both til you can be together again.

White pudding?

Urp.

OK - not that proper :p

194 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:15:39am

re: #188 Walter L. Newton

More than two pints already?

At least old boy.

195 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:15:46am

New page up on this thread topic.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

196 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:16:03am

re: #190 iceweasel

Good wishes for you both til you can be together again.

White pudding?

Urp.

Good to see you!

197 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:17:13am

re: #196 LudwigVanQuixote

Good to see you!

Hey cutie! Was just heading over to ding your page. How the heck are you?? I haven't seen you in ages!

198 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:18:32am
199 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:20:49am

laters all.

Ppping out in a little while to start knocking on doors.

200 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:21:33am

re: #199 wozzablog

laters all.

Ppping out in a little while to start knocking on doors.

Have a great day!

201 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:21:47am

re: #195 LudwigVanQuixote

Hey Boker Tov Ludwig!

Did I tell you my daughter was accepted to Columbia grad school?

202 jea62  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:27:43am

I also know it's going to be okay because I have my lucky four leaf clover and rabbit's foot.

203 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:27:56am

Breaking:

Two injured by Gaza mortar, Israel hits back

A mortar shell fired from the Gaza Strip into Israel on Thursday hit a bus, seriously wounding a teenage boy and injuring several others, Israeli police said.

Israeli forces immediately struck back, shelling various locations across the Gaza Strip, killing a 50-year-old man and injuring at least six people, including a 4-year-old girl, Palestinian medics said.

Israeli police spokesman Mickey Rosenfeld said those wounded in the bus attack were being treated at the scene. The head of the Magen David Adom ambulance service told Israel Radio that helicopters were ferrying the worst injured to hospital.

Bastards.

204 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:39:22am

re: #201 Alouette

Hey Boker Tov Ludwig!

Did I tell you my daughter was accepted to Columbia grad school?

That is awesome! What program?

205 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:40:27am

re: #197 iceweasel

Hey cutie! Was just heading over to ding your page. How the heck are you?? I haven't seen you in ages!

I have been so swamped with work lately.. It is hard to express. But I am enjoying it! Other than that Miss S. is fabulous. wedding plans are progressing! Thank Hashem.

206 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:41:24am

re: #205 LudwigVanQuixote

I have been so swamped with work lately.. It is hard to express. But I am enjoying it! Other than that Miss S. is fabulous. wedding plans are progressing! Thank Hashem.

Mazel Tov! Or as they'd prolly say here, Good on ya!

207 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:42:59am

re: #204 LudwigVanQuixote

That is awesome! What program?

Nursing. She is already an RN, wants to become a Nurse Practitioner.

208 S'latch  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:43:13am

I would respond to Karen Kuzdzal of Spotsylvania by telling her that even if we agree that G-d is in charge, it doesn't mean that everything is going to be okay. The Creator gave us plenty of things that can kill and the power to use them on ourselves. And, maybe the wicked ways from which we should turn include the waste and destruction of the environment.

209 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:43:44am

My Scottish word of the day: glaikit.


Adjective: glaikit gley-kit
Usage: UK, dialect

1. (Scottish) foolish; stupid
"often he stood there with a glaikit look on his face"

210 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:44:09am

re: #205 LudwigVanQuixote

I have been so swamped with work lately.. It is hard to express. But I am enjoying it! Other than that Miss S. is fabulous. wedding plans are progressing! Thank Hashem.

Just remember, The Zionist Mall has all your wedding needs!

212 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:47:08am
213 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:47:54am

re: #207 Alouette

Nursing. She is already an RN, wants to become a Nurse Practitioner.

I am so happy for you! Columbia has an amazing program, and nurses have one of the toughest jobs I could never do. She has my profound respect.

214 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:48:16am

re: #210 Alouette

Just remember, The Zionist Mall has all your wedding needs!

I promise we will order something from you!

215 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:48:28am

re: #212 Varek Raith

Lol Wingnut photoshop fail!

That is hilarious self-clowning.

216 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:48:49am

re: #212 Varek Raith

Lol Wingnut photoshop fail!

That has to be a page.

217 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:49:45am

re: #212 Varek Raith

Lol Wingnut photoshop fail!

lol

218 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:53:12am

re: #214 LudwigVanQuixote

I promise we will order something from you!

Miss S. is supposed to buy you a talis and you are supposed to buy her a set of candlesticks.

219 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:56:12am

re: #218 Alouette

Miss S. is supposed to buy you a talis and you are supposed to buy her a set of candlesticks.

Those candlesticks are gorgeous.

220 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:57:48am

re: #212 Varek Raith

Lol Wingnut photoshop fail!

Updinged and recommended. I love a good fauxtography catch.

221 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:58:27am

re: #218 Alouette

Miss S. is supposed to buy you a talis and you are supposed to buy her a set of candlesticks.

I like the candlesticks :)

222 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:58:43am

re: #219 iceweasel

Those candlesticks are gorgeous.

Jimmah can buy you a set too. :)

223 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 6:58:52am

re: #215 Obdicut

ohh new page you may like by me...

224 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:02:25am

re: #221 LudwigVanQuixote

I like the candlesticks :)

Oh crap, the price of silver went up AGAIN! The vendor doesn't notify me and now I have to change all the prices.

Silver is a great investment. For example, I bought this candelabra 10 years ago for $660.

225 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:02:29am

re: #211 Killgore Trout

Who called that? I know someone did when it was revealed that Beck would be going buh-bye.

226 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:03:01am

re: #216 iceweasel

That has to be a page.

[Video]



My first page!

227 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:03:19am

re: #222 Alouette

I was feeling very homesick here in December and then I noticed some christmas displays. A big (well, for here) department store had a lot of decorations in the window, including a prominent menorah. A few days later I realised I was seeing a lot of them.

They weren't menorahs at all, they call them christmas arches and they're seven candles.

Really freaked me out. I do love Scotland but the lack of diversity gets to me.

229 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:04:38am
230 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:04:50am

re: #225 lawhawk

Who called that? I know someone did when it was revealed that Beck would be going buh-bye.

I think it's an obvious choice. At least temporarily. I doubt Napolitano can keep the ratings up enough, they'll eventually bring in some new blood.

231 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:06:05am

re: #227 iceweasel

I was feeling very homesick here in December and then I noticed some christmas displays. A big (well, for here) department store had a lot of decorations in the window, including a prominent menorah. A few days later I realised I was seeing a lot of them.

They weren't menorahs at all, they call them christmas arches and they're seven candles.

Really freaked me out. I do love Scotland but the lack of diversity gets to me.

Those "Christmas arches" are stepped, while menorah candles should be straight across.

232 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:06:41am

I'm still laughing.

233 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:07:16am

re: #231 Alouette

Those "Christmas arches" are stepped, while menorah candles should be straight across.

It looks to me like they just stole the idea of a menorah, even if it's not exact.

234 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:08:16am

re: #232 Varek Raith

Television pictures showed reporters at a news agency in the capital Yerevan staring glumly at blank screens.

I want some footage of that.

235 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:08:28am

Kook alert!

Jesse Ventura on Sarah Palin, 9/11 and His Political Future

The ever-colorful Jesse Ventura, former pro wrestler, former action movie actor, former governor of Minnesota, and current conspiracy theorist, had some interesting things to say about Sarah Palin, 9/11 and his own possible political future.

During a recent interview on Piers Morgan's CNN show, Ventura opined that Palin would likely be the Republican nominee in 2012 and would go head to head with President Barack Obama in the general election. Ventura was not very enthusiastic about Palin's chances in the general election or of her virtues as a candidate or potential president.

In another interview, on "Good Morning America," Ventura opined that former Vice President Dick Cheney knew about the 9/11 attacks in advance and allowed them to happen as an excuse to go to war in the Middle East. Ventura is an adherent of the conspiracy theory, much refuted and much derided, known as "9.11 Trutherism." The theory suggests the George W. Bush administration either faked the 9/11 attacks in some fashion or knew of them in advance and allowed them to happen. 9/11 Trutherism has joined Obama Britherism (the theory that the president was born in Kenya and is hence not qualified to be president) as the two main conspiracy theories of the 21st century.

Ventura also suggested he would be willing to run as Congressman Ron Paul's running mate, whether Paul won the Republican nomination or decided to run (preferred by Ventura) as an independent. A Paul/Ventura ticket would certainly be colorful, combining as it would Paul's peculiar brand of 18th century style libertarianism and Ventura's residual Reform Party/conspiracy nut ideology.

Heh.

236 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:09:13am

re: #233 iceweasel

It looks to me like they just stole the idea of a menorah, even if it's not exact.

Just like Kwanzaa.

238 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:09:36am

Developing - gunman opens fire in a Rio de Janeiro school - 20 dead... .

As many as 20 people are feared dead after a gunman invaded a primary school in Rio de Janeiro and opened fire.

One witness told the Guardian he had seen between 15 and 20 children dead or seriously wounded inside the Tasso da Silveira primary school in western Rio.

"It is a massacre, a true massacre," said Roni de Macedo, a fireman who arrived on the scene shortly after the shooting began and dragged eight seriously injured children from the second floor classroom. "There is blood on the walls, blood on the chairs. There are 15 to 20 dead I think," said De Macedo, who was covered in blood.

"I've never seen anything like this. It's like something in the United States."

Witnesses said the shooting began outside the school at around 8.30am when a man opened fire on two boys, shooting one in the head and one in the arm with what was said to be handgun.

He is said to have continued through the school's metal gates and up to a packed classroom the second floor, opening fire on children aged between 11 and 13.

239 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:10:18am

re: #236 Alouette

Just like Kwanzaa.

WOW. I never knew that, either. What's up with misappropriating other religions' traditions?

240 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:10:41am

re: #235 NJDhockeyfan

Jesse Ventura would be a breath of fresh air and intellectual honesty compared to Palin.

241 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:11:29am

re: #226 Varek Raith


My first page!

Nice. Enjoy watching the counter of hits, views and tweets. It's kinda fun to watch the numbers rack up.

242 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:12:19am

re: #239 iceweasel

Been happening pretty much since the dawn of time... religions will frequently borrow practices from local traditions, incorporate traditions and practices of other religions, and then modify them to suit their preferences.

243 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:13:10am

re: #241 Killgore Trout

Nice. Enjoy watching the counter of hits, views and tweets. It's kinda fun to watch the numbers rack up.

I was hesitant, given that I'm a man of few words.
But, the pictures speak for themselves.
Lol.

244 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:13:27am

School bus attacked by Gaza

4:15 PM Gazan terrorists hit a school bus in the Negev with an anti-tank rocket. The driver and a 16 year old were injured. The injured teen is in critical condition.

245 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:14:24am

re: #242 lawhawk

Been happening pretty much since the dawn of time... religions will frequently borrow practices from local traditions, incorporate traditions and practices of other religions, and then modify them to suit their preferences.

Sure-- half the saints in Catholicism are remnants of pagan traditions, gods and goddesses. Still was weird to see a Çhristmas Arch here.

246 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:15:23am

re: #245 iceweasel

Sure-- half the saints in Catholicism are remnants of pagan traditions, gods and goddesses. Still was weird to see a Çhristmas Arch here.

Needs moar cowbells.

247 wee fury  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:15:59am

Interesting old newspaper article from The Vermont Tribune, Ludlow, Friday, January 11, 1889
'A game of baseball was played here, on WILLIAMS field, last Friday, between two picked nines. The thermometer registered 60 degrees at noon, and the soil was as dry and hard as at most any time in the summer. How is that for Jan. 4th, in Vermont?'

248 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:16:46am

re: #242 lawhawk

Been happening pretty much since the dawn of time... religions will frequently borrow practices from local traditions, incorporate traditions and practices of other religions, and then modify them to suit their preferences.

It's really interesting. Buddhism is modified Jainism, Judaism is Babylonian, Christianity is from Mithra (persian). It's all borrowed if you look at it as a folklore study.

249 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:17:38am

re: #242 lawhawk

Been happening pretty much since the dawn of time... religions will frequently borrow practices from local traditions, incorporate traditions and practices of other religions, and then modify them to suit their preferences.

And humans will continue to claim that their religion is the only right one.

250 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:17:41am

re: #244 Killgore Trout

Gaza's terrorists are itching for a war. They're going to get one - but not at the time and place of their choosing.

Meanwhile, Reuters focuses on Israel's measures to stop further attacks - rather than on the terrorists' precipitating attacks. It then claims that this is a relative lull - redefining what "relative" and "lull" are.

251 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:19:47am

re: #248 Killgore Trout

It's really interesting. Buddhism is modified Jainism, Judaism is Babylonian, Christianity is from Mithra (persian). It's all borrowed if you look at it as a folklore study.

Well, somebody had to come up with it first.

252 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:20:05am

re: #250 lawhawk

Gaza's terrorists are itching for a war. They're going to get one - but not at the time and place of their choosing.

Meanwhile, Reuters focuses on Israel's measures to stop further attacks - rather than on the terrorists' precipitating attacks. It then claims that this is a relative lull - redefining what "relative" and "lull" are.

It'll be interesting to see how Egypt reacts. I'm still pretty concerned that the removal of Mubarak is going to destabilize the region but I suppose that's what Hamas is testing out.

253 Interesting Times  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:20:23am

re: #247 wee fury

What's your point?

254 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:20:50am

re: #253 publicityStunted

What's your point?

AGW IS A HOAX11!!1!

255 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:21:20am

re: #254 Varek Raith

AGW IS A HOAX11!!1!

No... BASEBALL is an old game.

256 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:21:49am

re: #255 Walter L. Newton

No... BASEBALL is an old game.

Oh, damn.
;)

257 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:25:59am

FF v4
IE v9
Chrome vidunno
All going in directions I don't like.
Figures.

258 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:28:44am

This is awesome. A URL-transforming service with a touch of evil:

http://5z8.info/bombbuilding_g1l2ou_michaelangelo-virus

http://5z8.info/turkeyporn_c2e5ea_racist

259 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:32:32am

re: #258 Obdicut

This is awesome. A URL-transforming service with a touch of evil:

http://5z8.info/bombbuilding_g1l2ou_michaelangelo- virus

http://5z8.info/turkeyporn_c2e5ea_racist

/Racist turkey porn?
Lol.

260 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:33:18am

'Harley' Huntsman: On the road to the White House?
Heh, pretty cool. I'd be interested in learning more about him but I just don't think there's any chance of him getting the nomination.

261 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:33:59am

Czech that. Scientists discover first ever "gay caveman"

Archaeologists in the Czech Republic have dug up the 5,000-year-old skeleton of what they think may be the world's first known gay caveman.

Scientists who found the body, which dates back to between 2900 and 2500 BC, said they suspect the caveman may have been a homosexual because he was buried in a way normally reserved for women of the era.

The cave-dweller was placed in his grave with his head pointing eastward, along with several domestic pots and jugs, scientists said.

Men of this era were typically buried pointing westward, surrounded by weapons such as battle axes and knives, and other tools.

The suspected gay caveman did not have any weapons or tools in his grave.

Queer Eye for the Dead Guy?

262 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:34:58am

re: #261 lawhawk

Czech that. Scientists discover first ever "gay caveman"

Queer Eye for the Dead Guy?

Fabulous!

263 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:35:22am

re: #261 lawhawk

Czech that. Scientists discover first ever "gay caveman"

Queer Eye for the Dead Guy?

World's first transsexual?

264 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:35:55am

re: #262 Killgore Trout

Fabulous!

He must've had the awesomest cave.

265 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:37:20am

re: #261 lawhawk

"Suspected Gay Caveman" is a great name for a band.

266 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:37:51am

re: #263 Alouette

Dr. Frank-N-Furter would be so proud. A near Transylvanian Trans.... sexual...

267 Ericus58  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:38:59am

re: #252 Killgore Trout

It'll be interesting to see how Egypt reacts. I'm still pretty concerned that the removal of Mubarak is going to destabilize the region but I suppose that's what Hamas is testing out.

Well, if Mr. Ex-IAEA get's elected.....

ElBaradei: We'll fight back if Israel attacks Gaza
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

"Former International Atomic Energy Agency chief Mohamed ElBaradei, who had previously announced his intetions to run for the presidency of Egypt, said Monday that “if Israel attacked Gaza we would declare war against the Zionist regime." "

Slimy scum.

268 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:39:06am

Man With Anti-Obama Sign Attacked In San Francisco

SAN FRANCISCO (CBS SF/ BCN) — A man who set up a table with political literature and a sign opposing President Barack Obama was attacked in San Francisco’s North Panhandle neighborhood, police and witnesses said Tuesday.

Initial police accounts had indicated that the man had a sign supporting Obama, but witnesses later said it was an anti-Obama sign with a Hitler mustache drawn over the president’s face.

The attack happened around 11:30 a.m. Monday in the 1200 block of Fell Street, where the victim, a 29-year-old Daly City man, had set up his table, said Capt. Denis O’Leary of the SFPD’s Park Station.

A man and woman approached the victim, tore the sign and shook the table, causing the political literature to fall to the ground.

The attackers also kicked the man in the hand, O’Leary said.

The SFPD captain said he did not know whether the victim was a supporter or opponent of Obama, but a witness who was in the area Monday said the victim was a supporter of Lyndon LaRouche, a left-wing political activist who opposes the president.

269 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:40:41am

re: #268 NJDhockeyfan

Man With Anti-Obama Sign Attacked In San Francisco

LaRouche is a "leftist"? I don't think he can be described as "far left" or "far right" he is just in his own universe of derp.

270 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:41:08am

re: #267 Ericus58

We looked at that a few days ago and the quote is questionable. We traced the interview back to the source and those quotes weren;t there. It does seem like the kind of thing he might say but the accuracy of the quote is pretty questionable.

271 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:42:15am

re: #269 Alouette

LaRouche is a "leftist"? I don't think he can be described as "far left" or "far right" he is just in his own universe of derp.

I think Larouche is far left. Kind of the lefty counterpart to the John Birch Society.

272 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:44:31am

7.0 mag earthquake in Japan... just heard on radio. No link yet.

273 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:44:39am

re: #271 Killgore Trout

I think Larouche is far left. Kind of the lefty counterpart to the John Birch Society.

I thought that Bob Avakian was the far left equivalent of JBS.

274 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:45:10am

re: #269 Alouette

LaRouche is a "leftist"? I don't think he can be described as "far left" or "far right" he is just in his own universe of derp.

Nominating "'his own universe of derp"" as the phrase of the day.

275 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:45:45am

re: #272 Walter L. Newton

7.0 mag earthquake in Japan... just heard on radio. No link yet.

Jebus Cripes... some nations just can't catch a break can they?

276 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:47:12am

re: #274 iceweasel

Nominating "'his own universe of derp"" as the phrase of the day.

You're about to be in a world of hurt derp.

277 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:47:13am

re: #275 jamesfirecat

Jebus Cripes... some nations just can't catch a break can they?

Update... northeast coast... 7.4... expecting a 3 meter tsunami (about 9 feet)... felt in Tokyo.

278 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:47:37am

Reid 'less optimistic' about averting government shutdown


Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Thursday he is "less optimistic" about averting a government shutdown one day after a White House meeting failed to lead to a breakthrough in talks.

Reid (D-Nev.) said he is significantly more worried about the prospect of a shutdown than he was Wednesday evening when he and Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) updated reporters on the talks.

Reid blamed a partisan dispute over Planned Parenthood and other hot-button ideological issues.


Wingnuts are willing to pull the trigger over Planned Parenthood. Idiots.

279 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:47:51am

Later folks. Gotta go work.

280 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:48:17am

re: #278 Killgore Trout

These include proposals to defund Planned Parenthood and various Environmental Protection Agency Initiatives.


Ugh.

281 laZardo  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:48:26am

re: #278 Killgore Trout

I'm unfortunately siding with Howard Dean on this one. If that's what it takes to finally get the people pissed off at the Tea Party then I don't know what will.

282 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:48:41am

re: #275 jamesfirecat

Jebus Cripes... some nations just can't catch a break can they?

Holy crap. How terrible.

I wonder what this is going to do to the nuke plant rescue efforts?

283 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:48:43am

Magnitude 7.4 - NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
2011 April 07 14:32:41 UTC

Magnitude 7.4
Date-Time

* Thursday, April 07, 2011 at 14:32:41 UTC
* Thursday, April 07, 2011 at 11:32:41 PM at epicenter

Location 38.253°N, 141.640°E
Depth 25.6 km (15.9 miles)
Region NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
Distances

* 66 km (41 miles) E (90°) from Sendai, Honshu, Japan
* 118 km (73 miles) ENE (60°) from Fukushima, Honshu, Japan
* 147 km (91 miles) NNE (26°) from Iwaki, Honshu, Japan
* 333 km (207 miles) NNE (30°) from TOKYO, Japan

Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 13.1 km (8.1 miles); depth +/- 7.2 km (4.5 miles)
Parameters NST=426, Nph=427, Dmin=358.4 km, Rmss=0.75 sec, Gp= 32°,
M-type=regional moment magnitude (Mw), Version=B
Source

* U.S. Geological Survey, National Earthquake Information Center:
World Data Center for Seismology, Denver

Event ID usc0002ksa

284 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:51:15am
285 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:55:51am

Kyodo News
* NEWS ADVISORY: All highways in Miyagi Pref. closed after quake: local police (23:53)
* BREAKING NEWS: No abnormal data reported at Fukushima Daini nuclear plant after quake: TEPCO (23:47)
* BREAKING NEWS: Ibaraki nuke power plants normally operating after quake: local gov't (23:44)
* BREAKING NEWS: M-7.4 quake measuring upper 6 jolts Miyagi Pref. in northeastern Japan (23:39)
* BREAKING NEWS: Powerful earthquake shakes northeastern Japan, tsunami alert issued (23:36)

286 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:58:21am

re: #278 Killgore Trout

Reid 'less optimistic' about averting government shutdown


Wingnuts are willing to pull the trigger over Planned Parenthood. Idiots.

Sigh, this is so frustrating.

287 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:58:57am

Awful news for the Japan though. It's been one disaster after the next. I feel for those poor people.

288 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 7:59:47am

re: #281 laZardo

I'm unfortunately siding with Howard Dean on this one. If that's what it takes to finally get the people pissed off at the Tea Party then I don't know what will.

Yeah, me too. If this is what it takes for the wingnuts to wakeup to the electoral consequences of their agenda then I suppose the best thing to do is give them the rope to hang themselves.

289 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:00:30am

8,999,352 comments.

Should hit 9 million today.

This should put the mouth breathers in a frenzy!

Drink!

290 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:01:13am

re: #288 Killgore Trout

What's bizarre is the way that they keep trying to blame the Democrats, even when their supporters are cheering on a shutdown.

They've made it abundantly clear what they won't compromise on-- the 'riders', which are the things defunding Planned Parenthood, NPR, etc. etc. All the petty-ass, meanspirited, cultural shit is what they won't compromise on. They're not even trying to hide that that is what this is about.

291 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:01:45am

Correction on my statement above... not a 3 meter tsunami... they are expecting a 1 meter tsunami... in appox. half hour.

292 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:04:52am

re: #278 Killgore Trout

Reid 'less optimistic' about averting government shutdown


Wingnuts are willing to pull the trigger over Planned Parenthood. Idiots.

This all could have been avoided if the dems had crafted and passed a budget for fiscal year 2011 back (no later than) July of 2010 when they had the majority in both houses as well as the While House

293 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:05:49am

re: #290 Obdicut

What's bizarre is the way that they keep trying to blame the Democrats, even when their supporters are cheering on a shutdown.

They've made it abundantly clear what they won't compromise on-- the 'riders', which are the things defunding Planned Parenthood, NPR, etc. etc. All the petty-ass, meanspirited, cultural shit is what they won't compromise on. They're not even trying to hide that that is what this is about.

It's hard to tell if they're just putting on a show for the Tea Party or if they're serious about a shut down. I guess we'll know for sure on Friday.

294 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:07:47am

re: #292 sattv4u2

This all could have been avoided if the dems had crafted and passed a budget for fiscal year 2011 back (no later than) July of 2010 when they had the majority in both houses as well as the While House

You mean when the GOP was filibustering?

295 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:08:53am

re: #292 sattv4u2

This all could have been avoided if the dems had crafted and passed a budget for fiscal year 2011 back (no later than) July of 2010 when they had the majority in both houses as well as the While House

I don't know why they didn't do that but I think it's stupid for Republicans to blame the Dems for trying to pass a bipartisan budget. It's like saying "You're stupid to think I would be rational enough to cooperate".

296 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:09:16am

re: #294 Varek Raith

You mean when the GOP was filibustering?

Sure,,, so why didn't the dems just wait them out, make them talk for hours/days/weeks/months!

297 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:10:00am

re: #295 Killgore Trout

I don't know why they didn't do that but I think it's stupid for Republicans to blame the Dems for trying to pass a bipartisan budget. It's like saying "You're stupid to think I would be rational enough to cooperate".

Again, go back to the root of ther issue
Why did the dems kick the can down the road? They had an entire YEAR to get it done

298 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:10:25am

re: #295 Killgore Trout

I don't know why they didn't do that but I think it's stupid for Republicans to blame the Dems for trying to pass a bipartisan budget. It's like saying "You're stupid to think I would be rational enough to cooperate".

I do think it was stupid to expect them to cooperate. They haven't cooperated on a single thing. They have no ideas except ZOMG NOBAMA NOBAMA.

299 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:10:55am
300 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:11:32am

re: #295 Killgore Trout

It's the beginning of April 2011. Like the proposal or not, Ryan has a plan for fiscal year 2012
Where/when will the dems have one? Oh, yeah , thats right,, they still don't have one for FY 2011!!

301 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:11:53am

re: #300 sattv4u2

It's the beginning of April 2011. Like the proposal or not, Ryan has a plan for fiscal year 2012
Where/when will the dems have one? Oh, yeah , thats right,, they still don't have one for FY 2011!!

Ryan's plan is complete fantasy.

302 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:12:38am

re: #297 sattv4u2

How does that matter in the current moment?

Does that mean the GOP plan is any less crazy?

303 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:12:40am

re: #301 Varek Raith

Ryan's plan is complete fantasy.

Fine

And the dems plan is ,,,,,, well,,, maybe they'll get to the 2012 plan sometine in 2013!

304 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:12:41am

Fukushima Daiichi is being evacuated.

305 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:13:12am

re: #301 Varek Raith

Ryan's plan is complete fantasy.

But it cuts color copies for the Pentagon!

//

306 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:14:24am

re: #302 Obdicut

How does that matter in the current moment?

Does that mean the GOP plan is any less crazy?

No. It measn the dems started the problem and now want to blame the repubs

And guess what,, it's working because the public is gullable enough to think that the problem started NOW, not back in the 1st or 2nd quarter of 2010 when FY 2011 budget should have been crafted

307 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:14:38am

re: #304 Varek Raith

Fukushima Daiichi is being evacuated.

damn!

308 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:14:55am

re: #303 sattv4u2

Fine

And the dems plan is ,,, well,,, maybe they'll get to the 2012 plan sometine in 2013!

Hey, you want to assume a 2.8% unemployment, be my guest.
It's what Ryan and Heritage did.
Until Heritage pulled that from their website.
Wonder why.

309 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:15:12am

7.4 aftershock rocks Japan:

Japan was rattled by a strong aftershock and tsunami warning Thursday night nearly a month after a devastating earthquake and tsunami flattened the northeastern coast.

The Japan meteorological agency issued a tsunami warning for a wave of up to 6 feet (two meters). The warning was issued for a coastal area already torn apart by last month's tsunami, which is believed to have killed some 25,000 people and has sparked an ongoing crisis at a nuclear power plant.

Officials say Thursday's aftershock was a 7.4-magnitude and hit 25 miles (40 kilometers) under the water and off the coast of Miyagi prefecture. The quake that preceded last month's tsunami was a 9.0-magnitude.

Buildings as far away as Tokyo shook for about a minute.

USGS is actually reporting this as two separate and distinct 7.4 aftershocks spaced about 2 minutes apart:
MAP 7.4 2011/04/07 14:32:42 38.253 141.640 25.6 NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
MAP 7.4 2011/04/07 14:32:00 38.200 142.000 40.0 NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN

Slightly different depths and locations, but each by themselves could have serious consequences. Shake maps shows moderate intensity for the region most heavily affected by the 9.1 monster quake.

By itself, a quake this size could cause tremendous damage in a country that doesn't have strict or adequate building codes. Thus far, the initial reports indicate that the quake didn't add to Japan's misery - though there are tsunami warnings and alerts.

No such alert is issued for Hawaii, Alaska or the West Coast though.

Meanwhile, TEPCO has evacuated Fukushima in the wake of the latest quake and potential for tsunami.

Public broadcaster NHK reported a tsunami warning for Miyagi prefecture, saying people in that area should evacuate away from the shore to a safe place.

NHK also reported a tsunami advisory for Iwate prefecture, saying a tsunami is expected to arrive in coastal regions there as well.

The Pacific Tsunami Warning Center said based on all available data, "a destructive Pacific-wide tsunami is not expected and there is not a tsunami threat to Hawaii."

The U.S. Geological Survey said the quake was centered 41 miles (66 kilomemeters) from Sendai -- one of the areas worst hit by last month's 9.0-magnitude quake -- and 73 miles (118 kilometers) from Fukushima, where a crisis has been under way at a nuclear plant since last month's tsunami.

310 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:15:52am

re: #308 Varek Raith

Hey, you want to assume a 2.8% unemployment, be my guest.
It's what Ryan and Heritage did.
Until Heritage pulled that from their website.
Wonder why.

Instead of that, why don't you "wonder why" the dems didn't do something about this last year!

311 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:15:54am

re: #305 Gus 802

But it cuts color copies for the Pentagon!

//

What? No colours for the pages with Bible verses and the ones showing Jeebus riding a tank?

That's socialmalism!

312 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:16:04am

BBL

313 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:16:57am

re: #306 sattv4u2

The Democrats did not start the problem of the GOP's desire to defund Planned Parenthood, NPR, all sorts of programs for the poor, etc, no.

What you're saying is the equivalent of "Because the Democrats forgot to put gas in the car, it's their fault the GOP is now driving into a lake."

315 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:17:29am

re: #311 iceweasel

What? No colours for the pages with Bible verses and the ones showing Jeebus riding a tank?

Eek! That was back during the hayday of PNAC and the failed Rumsfeld Doctrine. Yep. Black budgets and free wars! Yipee! Lettuce prey.

//

316 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:17:48am

re: #310 sattv4u2

Instead of that, why don't you "wonder why" the dems didn't do something about this last year!

I suspect they had a hard time passing anything without a supermajority.....
Republican Obstruction at Work: Record Number of Filibusters

317 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:18:19am

I remember the first shutdown a little. Was only 8 at the time but I remember it better than most my age due to my mom being a federal employee. I am sorry but the people who want to shutdown the government reek of whiny children to me.

318 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:18:50am

re: #314 Varek Raith

Image: buddy-jesus.thumbnail.jpg

Jesus Don't Want Me For a Sunbeam:

319 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:19:19am

re: #316 Killgore Trout

I suspect they had a hard time passing anything without a supermajority...
Republican Obstruction at Work: Record Number of Filibusters

As I said, whiny children. NoObama! Socialism! Attack on the Constitution!

320 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:19:20am

re: #310 sattv4u2

Instead of that, why don't you "wonder why" the dems didn't do something about this last year!

I dunno, cause the GOP was filibustering?
Come on, be proud of your party!
They're going to shut down the eeevil Feds!
HUZZAH!
;)

321 Lidane  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:19:45am

re: #316 Killgore Trout

I suspect they had a hard time passing anything without a supermajority...
Republican Obstruction at Work: Record Number of Filibusters

Pfft. Don't you know that Obama and the Democrats are able to snap their fingers and get everything done with a minimum of hassle?

322 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:20:05am

re: #315 Gus 802

Eek! That was back during the hayday of PNAC and the failed Rumsfeld Doctrine. Yep. Black budgets and free wars! Yipee! Lettuce prey.

//

Palettes of cash to Iraq and Afghanistan. Billions missing. Blackwater. No bid contracts. Budgets unavailable to the public under the guise of "national security. "Homeland security" boondoggles up the wazzoo. Tanks for local police departments..."

Those damn Democrats.

//

323 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:21:54am

re: #322 Gus 802

Palettes of cash to Iraq and Afghanistan. Billions missing. Blackwater. No bid contracts. Budgets unavailable to the public under the guise of "national security. "Homeland security" boondoggles up the wazzoo. Tanks for local police departments..."

Those damn Democrats.

//

Quick, let's make jokes about Al Gore and the lock box.
Haha, stupid democrats, it's the republicans you can trust with your money!1! The party of the little guy!

324 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:23:04am

Wow. Looks like the heat is on in Kitchen Stadium LGF this morning.

325 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:24:00am

re: #324 thedopefishlives

Wow. Looks like the heat is on in Kitchen Stadium LGF this morning.

Heat?
I'm cold.
;)

326 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:24:35am

re: #325 Varek Raith

Heat?
I'm cold.
;)

Get out from under the bridge. It's warmer in the sun.

327 Kronocide  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:25:09am

Right Wing Talking Point Parrot is getting cooked.

328 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:25:45am

re: #326 thedopefishlives

How's mrs fish and the spawning?

329 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:25:47am

re: #323 iceweasel

Quick, let's make jokes about Al Gore and the lock box.
Haha, stupid democrats, it's the republicans you can trust with your money!1! The party of the little guy!

What we really need is another Nimitz Class aircraft carrier.

//

330 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:25:58am

re: #326 thedopefishlives

Get out from under the bridge. It's warmer in the sun.

Bridges are for trolls.
I'm in a bunker.

331 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:26:30am

re: #330 Varek Raith

Bridges are for trolls.
I'm in a bunker.

I'm in the eagle's nest!

//Damn bird keeps pooping on my head.

/

332 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:26:33am

re: #328 iceweasel

How's mrs fish and the spawning?

Doing well enough. They should be going home today.

333 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:27:12am

re: #329 Gus 802

What we really need is another Nimitz Class aircraft carrier.

//

Oh, come on. Ten aircraft carriers ought to be enough for anybody./

334 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:27:13am

re: #332 thedopefishlives

Doing well enough. They should be going home today.

I missed the event. Girlfish or boyfish?

335 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:27:28am

re: #332 thedopefishlives

Doing well enough. They should be going home today.

Congratulations!

336 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:28:05am
337 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:28:11am

re: #333 thedopefishlives

Oh, come on. Ten aircraft carriers ought to be enough for anybody./

But. But China...

//

338 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:28:19am

When you even so much as suggest that these current economic problems didn't happen over night when obama got inaugurated, you're accused of "blaming Bush." It's madness. Oh and which vice president said deficits don't matter. I am sorry but the Republican Party has no ground to stand on when it comes to fiscal issues. I am not saying Democrats are better but for Republicans to constantly say they're more fiscally responsible is nonsense.

339 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:28:24am

re: #334 Alouette

I missed the event. Girlfish or boyfish?

Boyfish. 7# 8 oz. and 18.5". (roughly 3.4 kg and 47 cm)

340 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:28:49am

Varek's in the basement, mixing up the medicine
Gus is on the pavement, talkin'bout the gubbermint/

341 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:29:04am

re: #337 Gus 802

But. But China...

//



Is a bit behind.

;)

342 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:29:16am

re: #339 thedopefishlives

Boyfish. 7# 8 oz. and 18.5". (roughly 3.4 kg and 47 cm)

Congrats daddy!

343 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:29:21am

re: #329 Gus 802

Those are passe. We're on to the Ford class.

Snark aside, and when there's a humanitarian crisis anywhere in the world - including here in the US along its thousands of miles of coasts, a nuclear carrier can prove to be extremely useful in handling rescue and relief efforts (such as in Japan currently).

Oh, and they provide quite a few well paying jobs to the shipyards that build and maintain them.

344 Kronocide  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:29:38am

Foundation: Bristol Palin worth $332K paid as ambassador in teen pregnancy prevention program

"She has done incredible work," he said. "She's been bold enough — yes she's been paid for her work — but she's bold enough to get in and talk about it."

345 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:31:06am

Missile defense in Poland is free! Missile defense in the Persian Gulf is free! Free maritime naval patrols off the coast of Somalia is free! Military ops in the Philippines, Columbia, Japan, Germany, South Korea, Mexico, EIEIO...

Manifest Destiny has gone global and it's all free!

//

346 sagehen  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:31:15am

re: #339 thedopefishlives

Boyfish. 7# 8 oz. and 18.5". (roughly 3.4 kg and 47 cm)

Are you going to give him a regular person name, or a Zappa/Palin kind of name?

347 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:32:06am

re: #346 sagehen

Are you going to give him a regular person name, or a Zappa/Palin kind of name?

He has a regular person name. My wife and I are adamantly against the kind of idiocy that popular media figures seem to partake of when it comes to naming their children.

348 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:32:38am

re: #347 thedopefishlives

He has a regular person name. My wife and I are adamantly against the kind of idiocy that popular media figures seem to partake of when it comes to naming their children.

That's the spirit. Congrats.

349 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:33:17am

re: #319 HappyWarrior

As I said, whiny children. NoObama! Socialism! Attack on the Constitution!

It is a reminder that the Tea Party has been trying to stop all government for years. Now they have their chance.

350 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:34:04am

re: #347 thedopefishlives

He has a regular person name. My wife and I are adamantly against the kind of idiocy that popular media figures seem to partake of when it comes to naming their children.

So Apple, Traxx, and Kewpie are right out?

351 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:34:17am

re: #343 lawhawk

Those are passe. We're on to the Ford class.

Snark aside, and when there's a humanitarian crisis anywhere in the world - including here in the US along its thousands of miles of coasts, a nuclear carrier can prove to be extremely useful in handling rescue and relief efforts (such as in Japan currently).

Oh, and they provide quite a few well paying jobs to the shipyards that build and maintain them.

Technically, we don't need a nuclear class aircraft carrier to provide bottled water for the people of Japan. That is in effect justifying that use in reverse. Warships aren't really designed for humanitarian relief but are used as such to maintain an international public image.

352 Sionainn  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:34:25am

re: #60 freetoken

WND is pushing this DailyFail article:

So what left a scar on the head of state? Line on President Obama's crown sparks conspiracy theories

So it's come to this.

Weekly World News folded too early - they could be thriving right now.

They don't have the print edition, but they are online.

353 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:35:05am

re: #29 freetoken

I've just spent some time with the creationists (which as I've asserted before is somewhat akin to spending time at an asylum) and come here and whamo y'all are tackling more of the same...

I've been trying to formulate a good summary of what is going on in this country, now, as far as politics and such, and I'm really centering in on how our society is going through and existential crisis of sorts. The old way, the old views, which are for example being pushed in the quoted comment in Charles' write-up, are fighting back against what is becomingly clearly a losing battle for them.

Modernity has been overwhelming to many. The changes that have occurred in the last 100 years have been significant. They really do call into question the patriarchal religion that for almost 1700 years has been dominant in the West.

I believe it's simpler than that. It's about power and identity.

The old set-in-stone, clearly delineated, highly religious structure that pretty much defined America for nearly two centuries is ending. This structure gave power and identity to many people with little power and poor identities. The loss of that structure means these people are losing their power and identities.

At the risk of committing a Godwin this is very similar to what happened in Germany as the Weimar Republic fell apart. People are scared and as usual react to this fear with fury and magical thinking. Erich Fromm laid this phenomena out quite nicely in Escape From Freedom.

354 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:35:13am

re: #344 BigPapa

Foundation: Bristol Palin worth $332K paid as ambassador in teen pregnancy prevention program

"She has done incredible work," he said. "She's been bold enough — yes she's been paid for her work — but she's bold enough to get in and talk about it."

Must be nice.

355 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:35:29am

re: #347 thedopefishlives

He has a regular person name. My wife and I are adamantly against the kind of idiocy that popular media figures seem to partake of when it comes to naming their children.

I think Ipat would be topical. Bound to help him sell himself when he's older... put an "I" in front of anything now-a-days and it's perceived to be more valuable.

356 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:35:57am

re: #355 Walter L. Newton

I think Ipat would be topical. Bound to help him sell himself when he's older... put an "I" in front of anything now-a-days and it's perceived to be more valuable.

Iknow.

357 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:36:14am

re: #356 Varek Raith

Iknow.

Is that from Apple?

/

358 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:36:31am

re: #357 Gus 802

Is that from Apple?

/

Ithinkso.

359 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:36:56am

re: #358 Varek Raith

Ithinkso.

IThoughtso™

/

360 wee fury  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:37:20am

re: #253 publicityStunted

What's your point?

No point. Just an interesting article (historical) about baseball and weather in 1889.

361 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:37:35am

Speaking of names, have you guys heard about the people naming their children, facebook? I would never name my kid after a social network or anything like that. I really like traditional names myself. More disposed to actual first names rather than surnames for middle names too.

362 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:37:52am

Mr. Orange talking about the budget....
[Link: interactive.foxnews.com...]

363 Slap  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:38:05am

re: #346 sagehen

Are you going to give him a regular person name, or a Zappa/Palin kind of name?

ACH!

The Arf Society and United Mutations would like a word with you.

Even lightly equating the two names makes me shudder, and I'm sure FZ would be none too pleased at HIS absurdist/dada naming imagination (I mean, c'mon, he had a cockatiel named Bird Reynolds, fer cripes sake!) being compared to the Frontier Hippie-style of naming claimed by that Alaska clan.

Tsk, tsk. For shame!

364 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:38:26am

re: #351 Gus 802

Technically, we don't need a nuclear class aircraft carrier to provide bottled water for the people of Japan. That is in effect justifying that use in reverse. Warships aren't really designed for humanitarian relief but are used as such to maintain an international public image.

Actually, warships are arguably _better_ designed for humanitarian relief than most other ships. In particular, aircraft carriers are perfect for air-based operations; they have a large population capacity; they have adequate equipment for mostly self-contained operation; in short, they are a floating city. You could design and build a ship to perform the same functions, but it'd cost almost as much and turn out almost exactly the same.

365 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:39:23am

re: #361 HappyWarrior

Speaking of names, have you guys heard about the people naming their children, facebook? I would never name my kid after a social network or anything like that. I really like traditional names myself. More disposed to actual first names rather than surnames for middle names too.

An Egyptian man named his daughter Facebook for the role social media played in the recent Egyptian revolt against Mubarak.

I actually think Twitter is a nicer name.
/

366 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:39:23am

re: #355 Walter L. Newton

I think Ipat would be topical. Bound to help him sell himself when he's older... put an "I" in front of anything now-a-days and it's perceived to be more valuable.

Nyes. I think that'd go over about as well as a boy named Sue.

367 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:40:26am

re: #365 Alouette

An Egyptian man named his daughter Facebook for the role social media played in the recent Egyptian revolt against Mubarak.

I actually think Twitter is a nicer name.
/

I don't know, Twitter leads to the unpleasant nickname of "Twit."

368 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:40:47am

re: #367 HappyWarrior

I don't know, Twitter leads to the unpleasant nickname of "Twit."

Hey, if it's the truth...

/ducks

369 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:41:39am

re: #368 thedopefishlives

Hey, if it's the truth...

/ducks

Like my middle name, How-weird instead of Howard.

370 allegro  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:43:48am

re: #363 Slap

(I mean, c'mon, he had a cockatiel named Bird Reynolds, fer cripes sake!)

I named one of my cockatoos Cyrano de Birderac... he was quite the lover.

371 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:45:00am

re: #364 thedopefishlives

Actually, warships are arguably _better_ designed for humanitarian relief than most other ships. In particular, aircraft carriers are perfect for air-based operations; they have a large population capacity; they have adequate equipment for mostly self-contained operation; in short, they are a floating city. You could design and build a ship to perform the same functions, but it'd cost almost as much and turn out almost exactly the same.

Then I'm trying to understand the logic here. So we need to build more multi-billion dollar aircraft carriers because they're optimally designed for providing humanitarian relief? That's really just a secondary if not tertiary mission. That platform coast does not include the cost of several airwings utilizing a variety of aircraft including maintenance and layers upon layers of managment (i.e. command) structures. I can confidently say that a non-military humanitarian operation using large vessels would be far cheaper than utilizing warships.

372 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:47:14am

re: #351 Gus 802

Except that such carriers have repeatedly been used for those kinds of missions for decades - and nuclear carriers can produce prodigious amounts of potable water. They provide a floating airbase from which to carry out SAR - when local airports are damaged/destroyed, and can handle all manner of logistics, from maintaining air traffic control to bringing supplies ashore.

Their justified use in humanitarian aid is part and parcel of the carrier acquisition programs.

374 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:48:45am

re: #372 lawhawk

Except that such carriers have repeatedly been used for those kinds of missions for decades - and nuclear carriers can produce prodigious amounts of potable water. They provide a floating airbase from which to carry out SAR - when local airports are damaged/destroyed, and can handle all manner of logistics, from maintaining air traffic control to bringing supplies ashore.

Their justified use in humanitarian aid is part and parcel of the carrier acquisition programs.

Huh, Firefox doesn't like that link.

375 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:49:03am

re: #371 Gus 802

Then I'm trying to understand the logic here. So we need to build more multi-billion dollar aircraft carriers because they're optimally designed for providing humanitarian relief? That's really just a secondary if not tertiary mission. That platform coast does not include the cost of several airwings utilizing a variety of aircraft including maintenance and layers upon layers of managment (i.e. command) structures. I can confidently say that a non-military humanitarian operation using large vessels would be far cheaper than utilizing warships.

So the cost of building a military aircraft carrier, with planes, trained airmen and crew, would cost more than building a non-military aircraft carrier, with planes, trained airmen and crew. While I agree that government is typically wasteful, in this case, I'm going to have to disagree.

376 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:51:03am

re: #375 thedopefishlives

So the cost of building a military aircraft carrier, with planes, trained airmen and crew, would cost more than building a non-military aircraft carrier, with planes, trained airmen and crew. While I agree that government is typically wasteful, in this case, I'm going to have to disagree.

Sure it would. You don't need Hornets, Growlers, and Prowlers and the associated weaponry for humanitarian missions.

377 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:51:32am

re: #332 thedopefishlives

Doing well enough. They should be going home today.

Congratulations. :)

378 sagehen  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:52:04am

re: #376 Gus 802

Sure it would. You don't need Hornets, Growlers, and Prowlers and the associated weaponry for humanitarian missions.

But you don't need military missions all the time, you don't need humanitarian missions all the time, so a dual-use vessel can keep busy for way less than the cost of building both kinds.

379 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:54:39am

Later gators.

380 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:55:12am

re: #376 Gus 802

Sure it would. You don't need Hornets, Growlers, and Prowlers and the associated weaponry for humanitarian missions.

Right, but the difference would more than be made up by the additional technologies you'd want to bring on board for dedicated search-and-rescue/humanitarian relief. I know Hornets are expensive planes, but they don't cost that much. Not to mention as re: #378 sagehen mentioned, having the ship sitting idle 95% of the time is a colossal waste of all those taxpayer dollars. Our aircraft carriers are arguably the most efficient government spending we've ever invested in.

381 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:55:20am

re: #378 sagehen

But you don't need military missions all the time, you don't need humanitarian missions all the time, so a dual-use vessel can keep busy for way less than the cost of building both kinds.

That's about the best point. However, I didn't bring up the dual role of nuclear powered aircraft carriers. The fact remains that the US defense budget is extremely high and has room for cuts. We don't need anymore aircraft carriers for the time being and this obsession with being number one has to end. There are limits to maintaining this empire and one of them is a huge national debt. And we won't cut this budget by just cutting "color copies" at the Pentagon.

382 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:58:25am

Ice. Sent you an email.

383 Jadespring  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 8:58:35am

Hi all. It's been a busy week and half and I haven't been paying attention to much news wise. Thought I'd pop in to say hi and see what's going on.

Anything really exciting happening? I just saw that Beck is leaving. That was a bit of surprise. Thought they would never get rid of him.

384 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:00:44am

re: #382 Gus 802

Ice. Sent you an email.

Received and answered.

385 Stanghazi  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:02:18am

Hey, what did George Allen do now?

386 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:03:27am

re: #381 Gus 802

That's about the best point. However, I didn't bring up the dual role of nuclear powered aircraft carriers. The fact remains that the US defense budget is extremely high and has room for cuts. We don't need anymore aircraft carriers for the time being and this obsession with being number one has to end. There are limits to maintaining this empire and one of them is a huge national debt. And we won't cut this budget by just cutting "color copies" at the Pentagon.

Ah, and now we come to it. I do agree that budget cuts are a viable option, but I disagree in that I would say keeping our fleet of aircraft carriers (and their associated air wings) technologically up-to-date is probably the MOST important use of our defense budget. The Army and the Air Force are all essentially limited in their deployment; when it comes down to crunch time, they rely on the Navy to clear the way.

387 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:03:35am

re: #380 thedopefishlives

Right, but the difference would more than be made up by the additional technologies you'd want to bring on board for dedicated search-and-rescue/humanitarian relief. I know Hornets are expensive planes, but they don't cost that much. Not to mention as re: #378 sagehen mentioned, having the ship sitting idle 95% of the time is a colossal waste of all those taxpayer dollars. Our aircraft carriers are arguably the most efficient government spending we've ever invested in.

Looking things up. OK, the USS Ronald Reagan costs about 3 million dollars a day to operate. That puts it at 1.1 billion dollars a year. At ten years we're looking at nearly 11 billion for operations. With a lifespan of 50 years that's about 55 billion dollars. Not adjusted for inflation. That doesn't include construction cost (nearly 5 billion) and the associated airwings and command.

388 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:04:56am

So I have exactly 1 Washington insider friend.

He just emailed me, saying the real holdup on the budget bill is not planned parenthood or NPR.

It's that the GOP really, really wants to slash the shit out of the EPA and a large number of other regulatory industries.

I'd been so distracted by the planned parenthood bullshit I forgot about the GOP war on EPA and the environment.

389 Ericus58  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:06:02am

"When word of a crisis breaks out in Washington, it's no accident that the first question that comes to everyone's lips is:
'Where's the nearest carrier?'"

President Bill Clinton
March 12, 1993
aboard USS Theodore Roosevelt

390 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:06:44am

re: #388 Obdicut

So I have exactly 1 Washington insider friend.

He just emailed me, saying the real holdup on the budget bill is not planned parenthood or NPR.

It's that the GOP really, really wants to slash the shit out of the EPA and a large number of other regulatory industries.

I'd been so distracted by the planned parenthood bullshit I forgot about the GOP war on EPA and the environment.

Yeah, Gingrich I know has talked about abolishing the EPA.

391 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:06:49am

Wow... BREAKING NEWS...

... such teachings by "leaders in Christianity, Islam and other religions" allow men to beat their wives and deny women their fundamental rights as human beings.

[Link: www2.wnct.com...]

Up next... the Christ and Mahdi return... plan world tour.

392 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:09:22am

Newly breaking - NYC School Chief Cathy Black is out, in a departure that is just as mysterious as how she got nominated in the first place.

Cathleen P. Black, a magazine executive with no educational experience who was named New York City schools chancellor last fall, stepped down Thursday, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg announced.

Her resignation, which city officials said came at the mayor’s urging, caps a tumultuous and brief tenure for the longtime publishing executive.

Ms. Black’s resignation, which comes on the heels of the departures of several other high-ranking education officials, was nearly as surprising as her appointment. When Mayor Bloomberg plucked her from Hearst Magazines to run the nation’s largest public school system, people in New York and across the country — including some of the mayor’s closest aides — were stunned.

Ms. Black will be replaced by Deputy Mayor Dennis M. Walcott, who has long aided the mayor in educational matters, Mr. Bloomberg announced at a City Hall news conference on Thursday.

“I take full responsibility for the fact that this has not worked out,” Mr. Bloomberg announced.

Ms. Black’s time as chancellor was troubled from the start. During her three months on the job, she offended parents with an off-hand joke about birth control, and bewildered City Hall aides when she seemed to mock a crowd of parents protesting the closure of a school. Aides complained that she required intensive tutorials on every aspect of education policy. And on Monday, a NY1-Marist poll put Ms. Black’s approval rating at 17 percent, the lowest ever for a Bloomberg administration official.

Bloomberg had run (way back when) on a platform to reform the Education Department and get mayoral control. He was successful in the latter, and reforms have occurred, but took a huge hit with the Black nomination.

393 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:11:49am

6:13 PM Channel 10 Reports that there is currently an IDF multi-pronged retaliation attack on Gaza, including from IDF Gunboats, IAF Helicopters, IDF tanks and artillery. No (known) IDF ground forces have entered Gaza.

394 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:12:01am

re: #387 Gus 802

Looking things up. OK, the USS Ronald Reagan costs about 3 million dollars a day to operate. That puts it at 1.1 billion dollars a year. At ten years we're looking at nearly 11 billion for operations. With a lifespan of 50 years that's about 55 billion dollars. Not adjusted for inflation. That doesn't include construction cost (nearly 5 billion) and the associated airwings and command.

55 billion in operational costs alone. That doesn't include maintenance and repairs. You also need a strike group to tag along so the daily cost there is about 8 million dollars according to some site I'm reading. 8 x 365 x 50 = 146,000,000,000 in operational costs (50 years). There's about 10 Nimitz class carriers so 146,000,000,000 X 10 = 1.5 trillion in ops costs alone over a period of 50 years.

Miniature text intended.

395 Lidane  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:15:47am

re: #388 Obdicut

It's that the GOP really, really wants to slash the shit out of the EPA and a large number of other regulatory industries.

I'd been so distracted by the planned parenthood bullshit I forgot about the GOP war on EPA and the environment.

Somewhere out there, both Nixon and Teddy Roosevelt are spinning in their graves.

396 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:16:10am

Trump goes full birther on Today. Idiot, and those who believe his nonsense are even more idiotic.

Where's the COLB for his hair. Or a legitimate NYC birth certificate rather than that bogus certificate he posted?

You can criticize the administration, and President Obama, without the nonsensical ravings of lunatic minds like Taitz, Jones, or Trump (sounds like a bogus law firm in the mold of Dewey, Cheatem and Howe). But they'd rather go this route. Sick.

398 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:17:06am

re: #395 Lidane

Somewhere out there, both Nixon and Teddy Roosevelt are spinning in their graves.

I read somewhere also that Nixon was the first one to support federal funding for planned parenthood.

399 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:18:27am

[Link: www.daylife.com...]

Smoke rises from a Hamas training camp after an Israeli airstrike east of Gaza City, Thursday, April 7, 2011.

Why is there a piano in a Hamas training camp?

400 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:18:57am
401 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:20:27am

re: #399 Killgore Trout

[Link: www.daylife.com...]

Why is there a piano in a Hamas training camp?

Israel keeps turning of the electricity, they couldn't plug in the organ.

402 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:20:37am

re: #400 Walter L. Newton

Actually, he released an old version that's no longer accepted as valid by many agencies since they were rather easy to forge and alter the information.

He should man up and do what Obama did, and show his current, valid birth certificate.

403 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:20:40am
404 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:21:10am

Cripes. I'm having flashbacks in here this morning.

405 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:24:05am

re: #402 Obdicut

Actually, he released an old version that's no longer accepted as valid by many agencies since they were rather easy to forge and alter the information.

He should man up and do what Obama did, and show his current, valid birth certificate.

I'm a bit confused... the ABC article claims the second document he released was official...

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

are they also mistaken?

406 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:24:31am

re: #403 Gus 802

Um. Did you see what's on that page?

"No Linky Love For Little Green Footballs"

WTH is that all about? Don't read or link LGF? Is this another butthurt wingnut blogger?

407 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:24:55am

re: #406 iceweasel

WTH is that all about? Don't read or link LGF? Is this another butthurt wingnut blogger?

Does a bear shit in the woods? ;)

408 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:25:08am

re: #403 Gus 802

Um. Did you see what's on that page?

"No Linky Love For Little Green Footballs"

Nope... didn't notice it at all... was looking up info on Trump... if that bothers your sensibilities... try the ABC article...

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

or are you suggesting I did that on purpose?

409 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:26:16am

re: #408 Walter L. Newton

Nope... didn't notice it at all... was looking up info on Trump... if that bothers your sensibilities... try the ABC article...

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

or are you suggesting I did that on purpose?

Fuck Trump. And fuck that website you linked to. And fuck Trump's birth certificate.

And no I didn't suggest you did that on purpose. Wah!

Any questions?

410 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:26:19am

re: #405 Walter L. Newton

Do you not bother to read your own links, Walter?

That might be why you're confused.

The information is right in there; I had it mentioned to me by someone here in NYC the other day.

The 'original' that Trump released isn't accepted at a lot of agencies, because they were easy to forge and alter.

Unlike Obama's, which is the completely valid, current version.

411 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:28:57am

re: #410 Obdicut

Do you not bother to read your own links, Walter?

That might be why you're confused.

The information is right in there; I had it mentioned to me by someone here in NYC the other day.

The 'original' that Trump released isn't accepted at a lot of agencies, because they were easy to forge and alter.

Unlike Obama's, which is the completely valid, current version.

That's what I am asking... is the second document legal t? I am reading the ABC link, and there is nothing on that page that indicates this second document is not official... I'm asking for your help, not your snark.

412 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:29:19am

re: #68 boxhead

How I miss William Buckley, Jr.

He was an asshole. But he was a somewhat more reasonable asshole than the assholes we have now. It's sort of like feeling nostalgic about the Kaiser when under the Fuhrer's reign.

413 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:29:27am

re: #409 Gus 802

Fuck Trump. And fuck that website you linked to. And fuck Trump's birth certificate.

And no I didn't suggest you did that on purpose. Wah!

Any questions?

You were the one whining.

414 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:29:40am

re: #400 Walter L. Newton

Missed the later release of a legitimate NYC birth certificate. But my underlying criticism stands.

Obama proffered a legitimate birth document from HI. These idiots refuse to accept it and therefore bitterly cling to the nonsense that he isn't qualified to be president.

415 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:29:53am

re: #399 Killgore Trout

[Link: www.daylife.com...]

Why is there a piano in a Hamas training camp?

Aren't the big Liberace fans?

416 KingKenrod  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:30:17am

re: #388 Obdicut

So I have exactly 1 Washington insider friend.

He just emailed me, saying the real holdup on the budget bill is not planned parenthood or NPR.

It's that the GOP really, really wants to slash the shit out of the EPA and a large number of other regulatory industries.

I'd been so distracted by the planned parenthood bullshit I forgot about the GOP war on EPA and the environment.

That's too bad because we really need Congressional action on this. The EPA is taking its mandate to regulate GHG very seriously - too seriously, in my opinion, some of the monitoring they are suggesting in my industry are way, way beyond what is realistically needed.

417 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:30:17am

re: #413 Walter L. Newton

You were the one whining.

You fucked up. Get over it.

418 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:30:41am

re: #415 NJDhockeyfan

'they'

Shit...PIMF

419 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:30:49am

re: #411 Walter L. Newton

Well, try reading that first link you gave, Walter. The information is right there.

I'm really not sure what it is you don't understand.

Do you understand that that birth certificate was officially issued, but is now not accepted by many agencies because it's insufficiently secure?

420 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:31:46am

re: #399 Killgore Trout

[Link: www.daylife.com...]

Why is there a piano in a Hamas training camp?

I don't know what that thing is, but I don't think it is a piano.

421 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:32:59am

re: #416 KingKenrod

That's too bad because we really need Congressional action on this. The EPA is taking its mandate to regulate GHG very seriously - too seriously, in my opinion, some of the monitoring they are suggesting in my industry are way, way beyond what is realistically needed.

Huh? We need a hell of a lot more action on GHGs than we're actually going to get. What are you basing your calculation of what's 'realistically needed' on?

422 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:34:31am

re: #419 Obdicut

Well, try reading that first link you gave, Walter. The information is right there.

I'm really not sure what it is you don't understand.

Do you understand that that birth certificate was officially issued, but is now not accepted by many agencies because it's insufficiently secure?

Really... well, my official birth certificate is exactly the same sort of document, issued by the state of new york, and it's totally usable for my passport, my SP85 security clearance and for the FBI when my dada was being vetted for his many security clearances with Rockwell.

For a matter of fact, I just renewed my passport using the same document. Do you have a link explaining why that particular document is not considered secure enough any more.

Maybe I better let the passport office know.

423 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:35:17am

re: #422 Walter L. Newton

Walter, if you don't believe the information contained in the link, why did you
link it? That's really confusing.

424 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:36:47am

re: #410 Obdicut

Do you not bother to read your own links, Walter?

That might be why you're confused.

The information is right in there; I had it mentioned to me by someone here in NYC the other day.

The 'original' that Trump released isn't accepted at a lot of agencies, because they were easy to forge and alter.

Unlike Obama's, which is the completely valid, current version.

And where have I questioned Obama's? I don't.

425 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:37:08am

re: #424 Walter L. Newton

And where have I questioned Obama's? I don't.

I'm sorry, who is saying you've questioned Obama's birth certificate?

426 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:37:43am

re: #423 Obdicut

Walter, if you don't believe the information contained in the link, why did you
link it? That's really confusing.

Point out to me in the ABC link where this second document is considered not to be official... do it please.

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

I'll wait.

427 Winny Spencer  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:38:14am

re: #411 Walter L. Newton

That's what I am asking... is the second document legal t? I am reading the ABC link, and there is nothing on that page that indicates this second document is not official... I'm asking for your help, not your snark.

I don't get it either. The second one is an official long form birth certificate, right?

428 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:38:31am
429 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:38:45am

re: #426 Walter L. Newton

It's not contained in that link, it's contained in the first one that you linked, Walter. Does that help you?

430 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:38:54am
431 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:39:18am

re: #427 Winny Spencer

I don't get it either. The second one is an official long form birth certificate, right?

According to Obdicut... it's not official or secure... and he claims that info is in the article... I don't see it... I want to see it... 2+2 = 5... I saw it for a moment... I really did... help me O'brian to see it.

432 lostlakehiker  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:39:52am

re: #208 Lawrence Schmerel

I would respond to Karen Kuzdzal of Spotsylvania by telling her that even if we agree that G-d is in charge, it doesn't mean that everything is going to be okay. The Creator gave us plenty of things that can kill and the power to use them on ourselves. And, maybe the wicked ways from which we should turn include the waste and destruction of the environment.


Wasn't there something in there about keeping and tending the garden? Going by the Bible, we weren't given the earth to use like it was a hotel room hosting a frat party.

And that editorialist is playing a familiar game: take the other side's case, twist the claims made, and then knock down a straw man. Scientists didn't say the earth was going to drown. They said, and do say, (and it will happen) that sea levels would rise. Maybe two meters, maybe ten, maybe 100. It still depends on what we do next. But even the first two meters will hurt. The alluvial fans of the world are mostly right at sea level. Prime rice plots will go under. This means food shortages, and maybe famine. That's bad, but it's not a Biblical Flood.

433 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:39:55am

re: #430 darthstar

Fucker. Won't let me steal his bandwidth.

Hotlinking to hostile sites is never a good idea.

434 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:40:39am

re: #101 tnguitarist

My mother got fired from her job of 34 years today. No warning, nothing. A year away from retirement and one month away from knee surgery. By a woman that's been with the company less than a year. Gotta love these 'right to work' states! How fucking Orwellian is that, btw?

Crap. I am so sorry. That sucks.

435 KingKenrod  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:41:16am

re: #421 Obdicut

Huh? We need a hell of a lot more action on GHGs than we're actually going to get. What are you basing your calculation of what's 'realistically needed' on?

I'm not talking about overall targets and national policy, I'm talking about acceptable methods of gathering data and monitoring the equipment and processes that create GHG emissions.

436 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:41:43am

re: #429 Obdicut

It's not contained in that link, it's contained in the first one that you linked, Walter. Does that help you?

No... because after I linked to the first article, I continued my research and linked to the article which was used for as the basis of the first article... both articles were in reference to the SECOND document released by Trump.

Now... where is the information, on either website that indicates the second document is not official nor secure enough to prove birth?

I'm still waiting.

437 Four More Tears  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:41:47am

So much support is the Tea Party going to have once out troops aren't getting paid?

438 darthstar  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:42:13am

Wally off his meds again? This thread is getting a bit whingy...

439 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:42:24am

re: #110 engineer dog

i'm sorry - my mistake - i meant california is an "at will" state

"right to work" means that it's easier to bust unions...

After chanting the 'we can fire your ass at any given moment' mantra, however, I must say, employers seem to feel you really do owe them two weeks notice if you decide to pull up stakes.

Mostly, in the past, I have given that, out of courtesy. Twice, I didn't bother.

440 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:42:36am

re: #436 Walter L. Newton

Wow. Okay, here, Walter.


Note: As someone who was born in New York City, I would like to point out that the copy of the birth certificate Trump released today is the original from way back in the day. Many agencies no longer accept the old style birth certificates because they were so easy to alter. The examples I showed yesterday, are the ones currently issued by New York City's Department of Health. You can get the new versions in about an hour for $15.

That's from the first link you provided. I'm not sure how you managed to miss it after reading it over so carefully.

441 Four More Tears  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:42:45am

re: #437 JasonA

So how much support is the Tea Party going to have once our troops aren't getting paid?

pimf

442 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:44:07am

I hate to thread jack, but I've got a problem and I'd like to hear your guy's thoughts on it....

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

443 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:44:54am

My state department sez I don't need a birth certificate to renew my passport. You may need it if yours is more than 15 years out of date or it's your first one. At least, that's what the US Embassy says.

444 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:46:11am

re: #440 Obdicut

Wow. Okay, here, Walter.

That's from the first link you provided. I'm not sure how you managed to miss it after reading it over so carefully.

Well... that's not true, since I have use that style of birth certificate to obtain all sorts of services... like I said, my passport, my SP85 security clearance... so... what makes this one, releases by Trump, as not official.

My official birth certificate was issued by the state of NY contemporary with Trump, form was exactly the same, I use my original all the time.

So, you're saying that the second document Trumped release is not official?

445 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:47:16am

re: #127 laZardo

If you mean the Democrats replacing that party, with the Greens as the new liberals, then I share your dream.

In the meantime I just hope the Greens kick out Cynthia...

The Greens need to decide what they want for the future. If they are disciplined and choose good candidates, begin to develop a power base and leadership for the future at a national level (the mayor of Richmond, CA is a Green, nice lady), they could emerge, not now, but someday, as a genuine progressive party in the United States, a viable alternative to the left of the Democrats.

However, all indications are that they want to do what progressives in U.S. politics have done for the past fifty years or so--act out, indulge in dramatics, be a platform for lunatics, and generally fail to have any influence at all. McKinney is a sympton of that.

446 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:47:42am

re: #437 JasonA

So much support is the Tea Party going to have once out troops aren't getting paid?

They'll blame the Dems. Don't mistake the military for some bastion of reasonable politics.

447 Kronocide  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:48:03am

re: #443 iceweasel

My state department sez I don't need a birth certificate to renew my passport. You may need it if yours is more than 15 years out of date or it's your first one. At least, that's what the US Embassy says.

I got a passport with a copy of my birth certificate. I don't have my real birth certificate, only a copy. In fact, I've never seen my real birth certificate.

Mommy?

448 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:48:53am

re: #444 Walter L. Newton

Well... that's not true, since I have use that style of birth certificate to obtain all sorts of services... like I said, my passport, my SP85 security clearance... so... what makes this one, releases by Trump, as not official.

Huh. So you, in Colorado, are able to talk about what New York City agencies will and will not accept? Do you travel to New York City often?


So, you're saying that the second document Trumped release is not official?

Man you're having a tough time reading this morning, Walter! See, when I said:


Do you understand that that birth certificate was officially issued, but is now not accepted by many agencies because it's insufficiently secure?

That both says that it's official, and that it can still be used as proof?

A friend of mine here in NYC, and the author who you linked to, both contend that there's a lot of agencies in NYC that won't accept the old-school birth certificates as proof, since they're insecure. You're saying they're both wrong, based on your ability to use it some places. However, that doesn't actually disprove the contention, in the least.

449 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:49:26am

re: #448 Obdicut

Huh. So you, in Colorado, are able to talk about what New York City agencies will and will not accept? Do you travel to New York City often?

Man you're having a tough time reading this morning, Walter! See, when I said:

Do you understand that that birth certificate was officially issued, but is now not accepted by many agencies because it's insufficiently secure?

That both says that it's official, and that it can still be used as proof?

A friend of mine here in NYC, and the author who you linked to, both contend that there's a lot of agencies in NYC that won't accept the old-school birth certificates as proof, since they're insecure. You're saying they're both wrong, based on your ability to use it some places. However, that doesn't actually disprove the contention, in the least.

I see what you are saying.

450 darthstar  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:49:46am

re: #444 Walter L. Newton

Okay, Mitty...you got me interested in this "SP 85" clearance of yours...turns out it's super secret because I could only find info on an SF 85 "clearance"...

Jobs requiring only a Confidential level clearance attainable with a NACLC are SF-85P processed. That said, the SF-85 (and supplementals) are used for lots of positions that do not have a security clearance, but still require a background investigation.

451 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:49:52am

re: #155 RogueOne

SanFran wants to know who is attending concerts:

[Link: www.sfgov2.org...]

SanFran doesn't give a shit who's attending concerts, they just want to avoid shootings at said concerts.

452 darthstar  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:50:45am

re: #451 SanFranciscoZionist

SanFran doesn't give a shit who's attending concerts, they just want to avoid shootings at said concerts.

And they don't mind vendors selling magical chocolates, either.

453 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:51:17am

re: #163 Alouette

Why Woody Allen?

Maybe Hank Azaria. I could go with Hank Azaria.

454 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:51:45am

re: #449 Walter L. Newton

I see what you are saying.

Congrats! Next time, if you just read your own link carefully, we won't have to go through that.


I think that Trump should follow Obama's example, and show a recently-issued birth certificate.

455 darthstar  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:52:35am

re: #454 Obdicut

Congrats! Next time, if you just read your own link carefully, we won't have to go through that.

I think that Trump should follow Obama's example, and show a recently-issued birth certificate.

I think Trump should fuck the fuck off and stick to reality TV.

456 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:52:54am

re: #454 Obdicut

Congrats! Next time, if you just read your own link carefully, we won't have to go through that.

I think that Trump should follow Obama's example, and show a recently-issued birth certificate.

I think that Trump should shut the fuck up, and get his hair done.

457 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:53:02am

re: #448 Obdicut

And yes... since I was born and raised in NY, and have been involved in numerous transactions with the state and business' in NY, I am aware of who will accept my long form birth certificate in NY. For a matter of fact, like I keep saying, I have never found any agency that I have dealt with that has asked for something other than that same form.

I'd be curious which agencies would reject that form?

458 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:53:37am

re: #173 iceweasel

I completely agree with you. They're certainly useless when a guy like this doesn't have to register, but an 18 year old who had consensual sex with his 15 year old girlfriend does.

I've been told that there are also guys on the list who were convicted of things that are no longer illegal--old guys who were caught giving blow jobs back when laws against gay sex were still on the books--that sort of thing. If true, definitely not OK. Also, quite useless for protecting anyone from anything.

459 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:53:53am

re: #447 BigPapa

I got a passport with a copy of my birth certificate. I don't have my real birth certificate, only a copy. In fact, I've never seen my real birth certificate.

Mommy?

Heh. Not me, honey.

You need it when you first apply,IIRC, but definitely not for renewals (unless yours is more than 15 years old, i.e., 5 years past the expiration date). I'm not even in the US but I don't have to produce my birth certificate to renew my passport.

460 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:54:01am

re: #175 ralphieboy

There is believeing in God, and then there is believing that everything written in the Bible is literally true, and then adding a leavening of old cultural susperstitions that fit into the general pattern...

There is believing in God and then there is believing that God believes everything that you believe.

461 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:54:33am

re: #457 Walter L. Newton

I'd be curious which agencies would reject that form?

I don't know, Walter. Maybe you could write to the author of the first link you cited and ask him?

Given that his assertion matches that of a random friend of mine-- who I'll be happy to ask, but i might not see again that soon-- it seems reasonable to assume he's correct, doesn't it?

In the future, if you think the information you're linking to isn't correct, maybe you shouldn't link to it?

462 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:54:37am

re: #455 darthstar

I think Trump should fuck the fuck off and stick to reality TV.

He's tied with Huckabee for the GOP! So now it's Romney at the top with Huckabee and Trump tied for second. LOLGOP

463 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:55:14am

re: #455 darthstar

re: #456 Alouette

I think that Trump should shut the fuck up, and get off my damn radar.

464 darthstar  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:55:25am

re: #457 Walter L. Newton

Long form, short form...a birth certificate contains name, date, weight, parents, address, etc. This "long form" bullshit is just that. It's either a page long or it's not. If you have a twenty-seven page birth certificate then chances are you weren't born in NY but Area 51.

465 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:55:32am

re: #450 darthstar

Okay, Mitty...you got me interested in this "SP 85" clearance of yours...turns out it's super secret because I could only find info on an SF 85 "clearance"...

When I contracted for Lockheed-Martin, they ran an SP85 clearance on me. I was required to submit certain documents to the consulting firm, which they in turn gave to who ever at Lockheed and it took them 6 weeks to get the clearance back from Lockheed.

What's your fucking problem?

466 Lidane  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:55:46am

re: #456 Alouette

I think that Trump should shut the fuck up, and get his hair done.

Trump's hair is an endangered species. Either that or it's some unnatural technology that twists itself into that shitty combover.

He still needs to STFU and STFD, though.

467 Lidane  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:56:51am

re: #462 Gus 802

He's tied with Huckabee for the GOP! So now it's Romney at the top with Huckabee and Trump tied for second.

So basically, it's a disaster all the way around for the GOP.

468 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:58:00am

re: #466 Lidane

Trump's hair is an endangered species. Either that or it's some unnatural technology that twists itself into that shitty combover.

He still needs to STFU and STFD, though.

Mobius hair!

469 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:58:12am

re: #177 wozzablog

16 year old boyfriend and 15 years 364 day old girl friend = boyfriend is a perv.

Well that goes without saying. We're talking about a sixteen year old boy here.

//

California law is extremely screwy about such things. (I have to take this annual training online about abuse.) For some reason that escapes me, we have an entire range of age differences where it's OK for, say, an eighteen-year-old and a sixteen-year-old to be having sex, but ORAL sex is automatically abuse.

I cannot figure this out, no matter how I try.

470 darthstar  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:58:42am

re: #465 Walter L. Newton

What's your fucking problem?

My PSX35 got rejected and I had to file a NYF67, a SDF523 and a UY77 just so I could get through to the PL45. Made me glad I got my TG23 when I was young though...can't imagine what it would have been like if I didn't have that with me.

471 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:59:24am

re: #461 Obdicut

I don't know, Walter. Maybe you could write to the author of the first link you cited and ask him?

Given that his assertion matches that of a random friend of mine-- who I'll be happy to ask, but i might not see again that soon-- it seems reasonable to assume he's correct, doesn't it?

In the future, if you think the information you're linking to isn't correct, maybe you shouldn't link to it?

So... you just accept this as fact, relate it to me as fact, argue that it is fact... but you don't know for a fact which agencies would turn down this particular birth certificate form as not secure.

Get back to me when you have some facts.

472 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:59:39am

Stinky was in da house.

Quack, quack.

473 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:59:48am

You know it's always confusing to me that it's argued that career politicians don't understand business but it's seldom pointed out that guys like Trump don't seem to understand government well. It just strikes me as empty to rhetoric say the government should be more like a business. Well it's different than a business.

474 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:59:56am

re: #470 darthstar

My PSX35 got rejected and I had to file a NYF67, a SDF523 and a UY77 just so I could get through to the PL45. Made me glad I got my TG23 when I was young though...can't imagine what it would have been like if I didn't have that with me.

You can't use the executive rest rooms at Area 51 :)

475 Kronocide  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:02:59am

re: #459 iceweasel

Heh. Not me, honey.

Sorry, I was speaking of my own experiences. Talking to my mom on the phone and she went on about Trump being a nutter so I told her I've never seen my real birth certificate, it's just a copy. She thought I had the real one, but actually it's a real photocopy with an official seal.

I was telling her 'Mom, am I Kenyan? WTF?'

476 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:03:09am

re: #471 Walter L. Newton

Again, Walter, if you don't believe in the accuracy of articles you link to, it's probably best not to link to them. I'm not sure what you're not grasping about that.

You're saying I related that fact to you, when I was just confirming a fact that you were relaying through the article you linked. It's kind of weird that you're now attacking me for supporting information you linked, but hey, that's how you roll.

477 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:03:13am

Man... I drove to Bluefield WV today for an appointment with a customer. Was for a product that I do not know, (but am wanting to learn) the main guy? Didn't make it, so I didn't go.

I'm two hours from home. So? I go see my dad (who lives nearby) and he's not home. Now, I have an appointment an hour and a half from here at 6pm. Too far to go back home. So, I have five hours to...

A. Nap
B. Find a chore to do
C. Snoop through dad's stuff
D. Look at old picture albums
E. Take a long walk and enjoy nature (it is a gorgeous day and this is beautiful country).
F. Sit here with you guys.

Decisions, decisions.

I must admit, I am surprised that "B" made it as high on the list as it did.

478 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:03:27am

LMHO here.

479 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:03:44am

re: #228 Obdicut

75 year old woman with a shovel takes out all of the internets of Armenia.

It's the little old lady fro-om Tblisiii!!!

(Go granny, go granny, go granny, go!)

480 darthstar  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:04:41am

re: #477 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Smart phone + google = afternoon movie.

481 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:05:48am

re: #247 wee fury

Interesting old newspaper article from The Vermont Tribune, Ludlow, Friday, January 11, 1889
'A game of baseball was played here, on WILLIAMS field, last Friday, between two picked nines. The thermometer registered 60 degrees at noon, and the soil was as dry and hard as at most any time in the summer. How is that for Jan. 4th, in Vermont?'

Who won?

482 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:06:25am

re: #415 NJDhockeyfan

He was odd, but a helluva talent.

483 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:06:50am

Budget debate....
[Link: www.c-span.org...]

484 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:06:54am

re: #248 Killgore Trout

It's really interesting. Buddhism is modified Jainism, Judaism is Babylonian, Christianity is from Mithra (persian). It's all borrowed if you look at it as a folklore study.

Borrowed, evolved, adapted...

485 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:07:17am

re: #475 BigPapa

Sorry, I was speaking of my own experiences. Talking to my mom on the phone and she went on about Trump being a nutter so I told her I've never seen my real birth certificate, it's just a copy. She thought I had the real one, but actually it's a real photocopy with an official seal.

I was telling her 'Mom, am I Kenyan? WTF?'

Sounds like my "certified copy". It was good enough to get a passport in the 70's.

486 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:07:57am

re: #480 darthstar

Smart phone + google = afternoon movie.

Telegoogler don't work.

487 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:08:17am

re: #476 Obdicut

Again, Walter, if you don't believe in the accuracy of articles you link to, it's probably best not to link to them. I'm not sure what you're not grasping about that.

You're saying I related that fact to you, when I was just confirming a fact that you were relaying through the article you linked. It's kind of weird that you're now attacking me for supporting information you linked, but hey, that's how you roll.

No... you assumed the accuracy of the statement was correct, even mentioning that you accept it as fact because it matches something that was confirmed to you by a "friend"...

Given that his assertion matches that of a random friend of mine-- who I'll be happy to ask, but i might not see again that soon-- it seems reasonable to assume he's correct, doesn't it?

No... it's hearsay... not facts... and you can't supply me with the facts. Case closed.

488 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:08:22am

re: #261 lawhawk

Czech that. Scientists discover first ever "gay caveman"

Queer Eye for the Dead Guy?

Fascinating.

489 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:09:35am

I love to watch SFZ work her way through a thread. We're all waitin' for ya here at the bottom!

490 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:10:07am

re: #487 Walter L. Newton

I'm sorry that you think your link was of such poor quality, Walter. As I said, if it's your opinion that a link is wrong, you probably shouldn't link to it.

491 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:10:17am

re: #489 Alouette

Jewish chicks are teh hawt.

492 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:10:27am

re: #477 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I must admit, I am surprised that "B" made it as high on the list as it did.

What kind of chore can you do away from home? Clean the car? De-frag the laptop?

I recommend the walk. Then come back here.

493 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:10:28am

re: #269 Alouette

LaRouche is a "leftist"? I don't think he can be described as "far left" or "far right" he is just in his own universe of derp.

Defining LaRouche on the normal political spectrum is pretty much bound to fail.

494 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:11:21am

re: #490 Obdicut

I'm sorry that you think your link was of such poor quality, Walter. As I said, if it's your opinion that a link is wrong, you probably shouldn't link to it.

I wasn't aware that the preceding comments from you were going to even be of lower quality.

495 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:11:47am
496 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:12:55am

"Borrowing money from China to support abortion"
/Pence

497 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:12:55am

re: #273 Alouette

I thought that Bob Avakian was the far left equivalent of JBS.

A few of Bob Avakian's twenty-five followers were camped out in front of St. Patrick's Church, across from Israel in the Gardens last year, right here in San Francisco.

To protest the plight of the Palestinians.

My father and I crossed the street after we were done at IItG, to go to Mass. An Avakianite was shouting "People are dying! People are dying!"

She was holding a sign that said "Revolutionary Communist Party".

My poor father was so sorely tempted to go over and ask if if she thought that 'Revolutionary Communist Parties' had a good track record with people not dying.

498 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:13:00am

re: #492 wrenchwench

What kind of chore can you do away from home? Clean the car? De-frag the laptop?

I recommend the walk. Then come back here.

I'm at Dad's. 77 year old guy with a farm.

But, I'd fire up the chainsaw, but sure I'd chop down the wrong thing (like my LAIG!).

499 tigger2005  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:14:23am

re: #488 SanFranciscoZionist

Fascinating.

Fabulous!

500 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:14:36am

re: #496 Killgore Trout

"Borrowing money from China to support abortion"
/Pence

Can't keep the stupid out of the debate, can they?

501 Stanghazi  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:14:41am

re: #496 Killgore Trout

"Borrowing money from China to support abortion"
/Pence

What idiots.

502 Stanghazi  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:15:01am

re: #498 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm at Dad's. 77 year old guy with a farm.

But, I'd fire up the chainsaw, but sure I'd chop down the wrong thing (like my LAIG!).

I vote snoop.

503 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:15:46am

re: #498 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm at Dad's. 77 year old guy with a farm.

But, I'd fire up the chainsaw, but sure I'd chop down the wrong thing (like my LAIG!).

OK. Do a chore (you can find something that doesn't require a chainsaw), take a walk, return.

504 Flounder  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:17:19am

re: #498 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If you are going to use the chainsaw, dont forget to wear your chaps...and nothing else! (and hearing protection, if your into that)

505 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:18:34am

re: #354 HappyWarrior

Must be nice.

I would be able to take Bristol's anti-teen-pregnancy work more seriously if The Situation hadn't gotten involved. I mean, why not Paris Hilton?

506 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:19:31am

re: #361 HappyWarrior

Speaking of names, have you guys heard about the people naming their children, facebook? I would never name my kid after a social network or anything like that. I really like traditional names myself. More disposed to actual first names rather than surnames for middle names too.

I have no problem with odd names--I grew up surrounded by the children of the flower children--but 'Facebook' is an incredibly stupid thing to name a child.

507 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:19:53am

8,999,635 comments.

Almost there. Where's Buck? We can reach 9,000,000 comments in 10 minutes.

//

508 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:20:37am

re: #507 Gus 802

8,999,635 comments.

Almost there. Where's Buck? We can reach 9,000,000 comments in 10 minutes.

//

He sent me as his proxy.

509 Flounder  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:20:45am

re: #507 Gus 802

I'll be your huckleberry!

510 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:20:59am

re: #507 Gus 802

Didn't Charles say the real 9,000,000 is going to lag behind the counter a little bit?

This is going to be like the millennium all over again.

511 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:21:16am

my feet hurt

512 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:21:17am

re: #508 Walter L. Newton

He sent me as his proxy.

You were my second choice.

513 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:21:23am

re: #365 Alouette

An Egyptian man named his daughter Facebook for the role social media played in the recent Egyptian revolt against Mubarak.

I actually think Twitter is a nicer name.
/

OK, I can sort of see it in that case.

I still think "Hurriya", or maybe "Tahrir" would be nicer.

514 Kragar  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:21:31am

re: #510 Obdicut

Didn't Charles say the real 9,000,000 is going to lag behind the counter a little bit?

This is going to be like the millennium all over again.

I hope we get zombies this time.

515 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:21:38am

re: #512 Gus 802

You were my second choice.

You already have me baby.

516 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:21:48am

re: #505 SanFranciscoZionist

I would be able to take Bristol's anti-teen-pregnancy work more seriously if The Situation hadn't gotten involved. I mean, why not Paris Hilton?

The Situation is involved in Bristol's anti teen pregnancy campaign? Ha, yeah why not Paris?

517 Flounder  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:21:53am

Ok I gotta write somethin witty now...aw hell

518 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:22:50am

re: #517 Shropshire_Slasher

I hope the 9,000,000th post is "I like pie".

519 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:23:09am

re: #510 Obdicut

Didn't Charles say the real 9,000,000 is going to lag behind the counter a little bit?

This is going to be like the millennium all over again.

Another controversy for the butthurt?

520 Flounder  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:23:22am

re: #518 Obdicut

Hey, i do like pie...////

521 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:23:26am

Would be creepy to have one of the sock-puppet stalkers post the 9 millionth comment... naw... couldn't happen in 9 million years.

522 Kragar  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:24:03am

re: #518 Obdicut

I hope the 9,000,000th post is "I like pie".

in bed.

(I'm hoping its one like that.)

523 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:24:13am

re: #518 Obdicut

I hope the 9,000,000th post is "I like pie".

Whatever you do, don't mention toast.

524 Kragar  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:24:41am

re: #521 Walter L. Newton

Would be creepy to have one of the sock-puppet stalkers post the 9 millionth comment... naw... couldn't happen in 9 million years.

The 9 millionth comment is:

[deleted]

525 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:24:42am

re: #508 Walter L. Newton

Walter! I remember when we were approaching (I think it was five million) and we were all giddy. You said, vying for the coveted spot (paraphrasing)

"Hey, everybody! Wait a minute. I have to go take a shit."

I almost fell out of my chair laughing.

Funny as hell. Thanks again. I just got a giggle thinking of it.

526 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:25:07am

Bread goes in. Toast comes out. How did that get there? //

527 darthstar  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:25:16am

re: #486 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Telegoogler don't work.

Phone booth + Yellow pages = movie

528 Kragar  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:25:33am

re: #523 Gus 802

Whatever you do, don't mention toast.

Did someone say toast?

529 Flounder  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:26:13am

ANTICIPATION!

530 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:26:28am

re: #524 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The 9 millionth comment is:

[deleted]

A deleted comment from a stalker at #666.

Then we'd be doomed!

531 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:26:41am

re: #528 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

532 Lidane  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:26:59am

re: #500 Walter L. Newton

Can't keep the stupid out of the debate, can they?

What debate? It's ALL stupid at this point. =P

533 Gus  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:27:07am

re: #528 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Did someone say toast?

[Video]

I've finally realized the cause of my damage. Kids in the Hall.

534 Kragar  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:27:34am

re: #531 lawhawk

[Video]

535 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:27:34am

re: #531 lawhawk

536 Lidane  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:27:40am

re: #529 Shropshire_Slasher

ANTICIPATION!

Antici...pation!

/Rocky Horror

537 Kragar  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:27:57am

re: #533 Gus 802

I've finally realized the cause of my damage. Kids in the Hall.

I'M CRUSHING YOUR HEAD!

538 darthstar  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:28:22am

re: #516 HappyWarrior

The Situation is involved in Bristol's anti teen pregnancy campaign? Ha, yeah why not Paris?

Speaking of Bristol. She was paid 262,000 dollars last year. The pregnancy prevention campaign that paid her also gave a whopping 35,000 dollars to pregnancy prevention.

539 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:29:59am

re: #537 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I actually do that when I'm stuck in traffic. Learned it from the Kids.

540 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:30:58am

re: #538 darthstar

Speaking of Bristol. She was paid 262,000 dollars last year. The pregnancy prevention campaign that paid her also gave a whopping 35,000 dollars to pregnancy prevention.

Yeah, I saw that. I'd love to get that kind of money to go around telling people they shouldn't do the mistakes I've committed.

541 Kragar  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:32:01am

re: #539 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I actually do that when I'm stuck in traffic. Learned it from the Kids.

I was new to one of my units in the Marines when we were all messing around and I did a "I crush your head". One of the other guys did the block and responded with "I PINCH YOUR FACE!". We were best friends ever since.

542 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:32:29am

re: #514 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I hope we get zombies this time.

I just finished reading World War Z, an oral history of the Zombie War. Great book.

543 Kragar  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:34:21am

re: #542 Fozzie Bear

I just finished reading World War Z, an oral history of the Zombie War. Great book.

Started rereading it about a week ago.

544 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:36:00am

OT but has anyone here read Issak Babel's Red Cavalry stories ever? Have to read these for my English course and I am finding it confusing. I guess I don't do well with non-traditional narratives.

545 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:37:00am

re: #544 HappyWarrior

OT but has anyone here read Issak Babel's Red Cavalry stories ever? Have to read these for my English course and I am finding it confusing. I guess I don't do well with non-traditional narratives.

'Fraid not. We discussed him in a class I took once, very briefly, but we never read any of his work.

546 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:40:24am

re: #544 HappyWarrior

OT but has anyone here read Issak Babel's Red Cavalry stories ever? Have to read these for my English course and I am finding it confusing. I guess I don't do well with non-traditional narratives.

Yes. Babel is that way. He enjoys playing with perception a lot; a useful point of departure is trying to figure out through who's eyes you're seeing the scene.

547 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:51:14am

re: #546 Obdicut

Yes. Babel is that way. He enjoys playing with perception a lot; a useful point of departure is trying to figure out through who's eyes you're seeing the scene.

Yeah the perception is what I am having difficulty with. I enjoy it though because of the history. I think like a history major even in my English minor courses. I am enjoying it a lot more than I did reading Gertrude Stein earlier in the semester though.

548 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:52:04am

re: #157 Shropshire_Slasher

Well, I thank God every day for my sobriety. I take offense at calling people who believe in God superstitious.

Good thing I didn't do that. But feel free to take offense anyway.

549 abolitionist  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 11:00:12am

re: #479 SanFranciscoZionist

It's the little old lady fro-om Tblisiii!!!

(Go granny, go granny, go granny, go!)

I read that she's facing 3 years in prison for this. She was apparently searching for a copper wire near her home.

550 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 12:28:38pm

re: #157 Shropshire_Slasher

Well, I thank God every day for my sobriety. I take offense at calling people who believe in God superstitious.

He really didn't. You might notice I am on the more religious end. If he had, I would not be silent about it. Please re-read what he wrote. He is referring to a particular sort of utterly superstitious and backwards part of American religiosity. To make it plain, if you take your faith to the extent that you ignore measurable realities in the real world, you have crossed the line into foolishness and superstition.

For example... the people in Salem were superstitious murderers, no matter how faithful they were.

551 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 12:29:53pm

re: #468 Alouette

Mobius hair!

That is brilliant!

552 Slap  Thu, Apr 7, 2011 12:39:50pm

re: #451 SanFranciscoZionist

SanFran doesn't give a shit who's attending concerts, they just want to avoid shootings at said concerts.

Also, they are kinda conscious about avoiding beatings at ballgames, I believe, due to recent events at Dodger Stadium.

553 mich-again  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:37:01pm

If God's in charge, then why should they worry about voting or being involved with politics at all? What? don't they trust God to handle things. He needs their support?


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