The Pure Cognitive Dissonance of Religious Fanatics

The GOP will stop at nothing to control women’s bodies
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It’s gone beyond ridiculous, to a tragicomic Theatre of the Fanatically Absurd.

The Republican Party is preparing to shut down the government in order to stop Planned Parenthood from destroying America.

It’s not even about abortion; Planned Parenthood is already prohibited from using federal funds for abortions. The “party of limited government” is preparing to do incalculable harm to the country in order to prevent women from having access to contraception and basic health services.

How does making it difficult to get contraceptives decrease the number of abortions? Well, of course, it won’t. What you’re seeing is an outbreak of pure cognitive dissonance, fueled by the dominance of the GOP by religious fanatics.

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381 comments
1 Why I Never!  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:45:04am

What else can we expect from people who can’t even bring themselves to say the word uterus?
How The UWord Exposes The AntiChoice Movement.

2 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:47:13am

re: #1 iceweasel

What else can we expect from people who can’t even bring themselves to say the word uterus?
How The UWord Exposes The AntiChoice Movement.

I wish you wouldn’t use such offensive terminology. The proper term is “baby shitter”.

3 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:48:32am

re: #1 iceweasel

What else can we expect from people who can’t even bring themselves to say the word uterus?
How The UWord Exposes The AntiChoice Movement.

You called?

4 Why I Never!  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:49:09am

re: #2 Fozzie Bear

I wish you wouldn’t use such offensive terminology. The proper term is “baby shitter”.

Just as the proper term for women is “fetal containers’.

Welcome to the Republic of Gilead, please check the law of non-contradiction at the door.

5 Why I Never!  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:49:34am

re: #3 Stanley Sea

You called?

Yay, the Uterati is here!

6 Gus  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:49:48am

re: #1 iceweasel

What else can we expect from people who can’t even bring themselves to say the word uterus?
How The UWord Exposes The AntiChoice Movement.

Uterus, uterus, uterus.

7 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:50:37am

I didn’t expect them to drop the mask so completely, and admit that this is not, actually, about the budget.

This is about being anti-woman, and anti-science. About defunding Planned Parenthood, defunding food programs, and defunding the EPA.

Because, apparently, god hates women and humanity and wants us to face the worst aspects of AGW while eighteen year old girls try to raise their third child, drinking dirty water and wondering how they’re going to get the next meal on the table.

8 albusteve  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:50:55am

I’m prepared to live in a GOP theocracy….it’d serve us right, if voters are going to continue to revel in their ignorance than we just have to go with the flow…sad commentary on contemporary politics
the truth is dead
reason has a price
the responsibility to compromise is now a quaint notion from a former time

9 Why I Never!  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:51:09am

re: #6 Gus 802

Uterus, uterus, uterus.

Wimmens need to remember, It’s uterUS, not uterYOU.

/last time I can recycle that joke, I think.

10 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:51:24am

Just remember, its all Obama’s fault for not agreeing.
/

11 Gus  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:51:52am

re: #9 iceweasel

Wimmens need to remember, It’s uterUS, not uterYOU.

/last time I can recycle that joke, I think.

Dear GOP:

Clitoris!

Sincerely,

Gus

12 RurouniKenshin  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:51:54am

What they don’t want to and cannot admit is this:
their real war is against sex outside of marriage.

Abortion is and always has been a false flag, it’s just most of them never knew that it was. The entire fight is for strict monotheistic morality and controlling people. In the minds of these fanatics, contraception = pre-marital sex, because to them, why in the world would a married couple ever want to use contraception?

13 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:53:35am

The GOP answer to cutting Planned Parenthood?

Saddlebacking.

14 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:53:36am

The Jewterus: proudly spawning Zionist hordes since 1972.

15 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:53:44am
“As Republicans, we promised in the pledge to America to cut $100 billion off of Obama’s plan. If we’re going to come back with less than that, we’ve got to come back with some policy riders to say look, I took less than $100 billion, but I’ve defunded Planned Parenthood or abortions in the District of Columbia. Or I’ve ended Obamacare,”

Blake Farenthold (R-TX)

tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com

16 Gus  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:53:44am

The public utterance of the word clitoris or uterus shall hereby be subject to a fine of $1000 and/or 30 days in jail within the boundaries of Colorado Springs.

//

17 KingKenrod  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:54:23am

re: #7 Obdicut

I didn’t expect them to drop the mask so completely, and admit that this is not, actually, about the budget.

This is about being anti-woman, and anti-science. About defunding Planned Parenthood, defunding food programs, and defunding the EPA.

Because, apparently, god hates women and humanity and wants us to face the worst aspects of AGW while eighteen year old girls try to raise their third child, drinking dirty water and wondering how they’re going to get the next meal on the table.

All that to some degree, but this is really about revenge against PP for all the abortions they have performed.

If an organization existed that didn’t perform abortions, but did all the same services that PP does from a pro-life perspective, this wouldn’t be an issue except maybe for a couple of hard-core bible bangers and some Catholics.

18 elizajane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:54:31am

First a thread on “booger,” now one on “uterus.”

But what else can you do on a day when everybody is gearing up for a shutdown? I still don’t think it will happen. The Republicans cannot let it happen, because it will be all to easy for the Democrats to conflate in the public mind the 2011 budget and the Ryan nightmare budget: “Look, the Tea Party shut down the government because they want to destroy Medicare.”

Even the wimpy Dem spin machine should be able to manage that one.

19 Gus  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:54:46am

@Tarkloon Randall Gross
The GOP is now run by Phyllis Schafly

20 Why I Never!  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:54:48am

re: #12 RurouniKenshin

What they don’t want to and cannot admit is this:
their real war is against sex outside of marriage.

No it isn’t. A few indiscretions in a mens room and all is forgiven if you’re male and a senator. The real war is on women, specifically female autonomy and female sexuality.
Sex outside of marriage with a male escort and meth is just fine….if you’re a preacher.

21 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:54:54am

This is nuts.

22 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:55:09am

re: #17 KingKenrod

Why do you believe this, given that 97% of Planned Parenthood’s services do not relate to abortions, and given that the GOP historically blocks contraception initiatives as well?

23 Gus  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:55:14am

re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist

This is nuts.

Yes. It is.

24 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:55:19am

///My fellow Republicans, clearly the time has come to preform a fact finding expedition to determine if such rumored beast as the G-spot and the female orgasm actually exist or if they can be safely confined to legend!

25 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:56:27am

re: #12 RurouniKenshin

What they don’t want to and cannot admit is this:
their real war is against sex outside of marriage.

Abortion is and always has been a false flag, it’s just most of them never knew that it was. The entire fight is for strict monotheistic morality and controlling people. In the minds of these fanatics, contraception = pre-marital sex, because to them, why in the world would a married couple ever want to use contraception?

I’m still waiting for the campaign against divorce.

26 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:57:15am

re: #25 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m still waiting for the campaign against divorce.

Newt and Trump will both have problems getting behind that.

27 albusteve  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:57:19am

re: #25 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m still waiting for the campaign against divorce.

one step at a time comrade

28 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:57:58am

The Vagina Budget, brought to you by the Tea Party, with gracious support from the GOP, funded by the Koch Brothers, now showing on every major network.

29 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:58:13am

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The GOP answer to cutting Planned Parenthood?

Saddlebacking.

It’s only disgusting if two dudes are doing it!!

//Actually, anal intercourse was a fairly common form of birth control during the Italian Renaissance. Preachers screamed about it, but couples who wanted to have limited children and a sex life tended to ignore them, just like they did when the same preachers preached against hair dye.

30 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:58:17am

re: #25 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m still waiting for the campaign against divorce.

That one needs to be led by Newt.

31 elizajane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:58:19am

re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Newt and Trump will both have problems getting behind that.

Are you kidding? Since when have the Republicans had trouble getting behind a cause totally contradicted by their own behavior. Think Bristol Palin. Think Swift Boaters for Truth.

32 Jack Burton  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:58:22am

re: #11 Gus 802

Dear GOP:

Clitoris!

Sincerely,

Gus

Youtube Video
33 RurouniKenshin  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:58:54am

re: #20 iceweasel

No it isn’t. A few indiscretions in a mens room and all is forgiven if you’re male and a senator. The real war is on women, specifically female autonomy and female sexuality.
Sex outside of marriage with a male escort and meth is just fine…if you’re a preacher.


I’ll give you that one.

34 Gus  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:59:01am

re: #32 ArchangelMichael

[Video]

:) Love it.

35 KingKenrod  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:59:22am

re: #22 Obdicut

Why do you believe this, given that 97% of Planned Parenthood’s services do not relate to abortions, and given that the GOP historically blocks contraception initiatives as well?

But would they make it a holy war issue and hold up the budget over it if this were just about HPV vaccinations and free rubbers? I don’t think so. I think it’s revenge for abortions. It’s the simplest explanation.

36 SteveMcGazi  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:00:27am

OT - Should I be worried? One of my employees just asked me what it means to be disemboweled.

37 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:00:37am

re: #35 KingKenrod

But would they make it a holy war issue and hold up the budget over it if this were just about HPV vaccinations and free rubbers? I don’t think so. I think it’s revenge for abortions. It’s the simplest explanation.

But Planned Parenthood really isn’t about abortions. Or are you just saying that to the deranged wingnuts, the same who believe we spend like 25% of our budget on foreign aid, that PP spends 100% of their time doing abortions?

38 abbyadams  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:00:48am

re: #8 albusteve

How I regret having to upding that statement, because I hoped that day would not come. But I have to agree.

39 Why I Never!  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:01:03am

re: #35 KingKenrod

But would they make it a holy war issue and hold up the budget over it if this were just about HPV vaccinations and free rubbers?.

Yes, they would.
Exhibit A: furor over the HPV vaccine
Exhibit B: Africa and AIDS

It’s not only about abortion and never was.

40 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:01:04am

re: #35 KingKenrod

But would they make it a holy war issue and hold up the budget over it if this were just about HPV vaccinations and free rubbers? I don’t think so. I think it’s revenge for abortions. It’s the simplest explanation.

Mysteriously, they do not have a lot to say about other health organizations that do abortions. Kaiser Permanente gets federal funding. They do abortions. I have never seen a guy with a sign out in front of Kaiser, and I have never heard them mentioned in these debates.

What gives?

41 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:01:17am

re: #35 KingKenrod

“Stupid doesn’t need a reason, just a cause.” My Mom.

42 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:01:33am

re: #36 SteveMcG

OT - Should I be worried? One of my employees just asked me what it means to be disemboweled.

I hope they just read it somewhere.

Keep a close eye on that employee.

43 SteveMcGazi  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:01:47am

I’m sure it would be much cheaper to just tell everybody to say no. Unless you have Bristol Palin doing it.

44 MarkAM  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:01:48am

Somewhat off-topic good news. National Organization for Marriage leader pulls a 180:

louisjmarinelli.com

45 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:01:59am

re: #36 SteveMcG

OT - Should I be worried? One of my employees just asked me what it means to be disemboweled.

Ask them in what context.

46 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:02:25am

re: #36 SteveMcG

OT - Should I be worried? One of my employees just asked me what it means to be disemboweled.

Maybe they meant disemvoweled, like sometimes happens to stalkers on this blog?

47 Gus  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:02:36am

re: #17 KingKenrod

All that to some degree, but this is really about revenge against PP for all the abortions they have performed.

If an organization existed that didn’t perform abortions, but did all the same services that PP does from a pro-life perspective, this wouldn’t be an issue except maybe for a couple of hard-core bible bangers and some Catholics.

Image: plannedparenthood.jpg

48 SteveMcGazi  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:02:38am

re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist

I hope they just read it somewhere.

Keep a close eye on that employee.

I can still run faster than my secretary.

49 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:02:58am

re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist

I hope they just read it somewhere.

Keep a close eye on that employee.

“Sir, I need a word that rhymes with defenestrate.”

“Immolate…wait a sec…”

50 researchok  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:03:06am
How does making it difficult to get contraceptives decrease the number of abortions? Well, of course, it won’t. What you’re seeing is an outbreak of pure cognitive dissonance, fueled by the dominance of the GOP by religious fanatics.

Therein lies the faulty ideology of much of the religious right.

Attacking the ‘symptom’ (abortion) does nothing to alleviate the real problem- unwanted pregnancies.

51 Gus  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:03:31am

Man I love all of these RW urban myths. Why yesterday I was talking to someone for a bit about the mess in Wisconsin and he rattles off some BS line about teachers making 80 to 100 grand a year.

52 Randy W. Weeks  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:04:16am

re: #15 Fozzie Bear

Blake Farenthold (R-TX)

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

That little prick is Sissy’s grandson. Mercy.

53 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:04:44am

re: #51 Gus 802Teachers making 80k to 100k?? Where? I need the money and I have a degree in English.

54 SteveMcGazi  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:06:11am

re: #53 PhillyPretzel

Teachers making 80k to 100k?? Where? I need the money and I have a degree in English.

On second thought, nevermind.

55 Gus  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:06:37am

re: #53 PhillyPretzel

Teachers making 80k to 100k?? Where? I need the money and I have a degree in English.

Where else but in Outer Wingnuttia. I had to remind him about total compensation costs. You know X2 the salary which is typical for most occupations.

56 abbyadams  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:07:03am

re: #51 Gus 802

Meh, old hat here in PA, all teachers are millionaires. (/)

We’re called pigs feeding at the public trough in public, regularly.

57 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:07:14am

re: #44 MarkAM

Somewhat off-topic good news. National Organization for Marriage leader pulls a 180:

[Link: louisjmarinelli.com…]

Took a lot of balls to do what he did. I wonder if he at least got a stalker site out of it.

58 Gus  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:07:27am

BRB

59 jaunte  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:07:29am

re: #15 Fozzie Bear

Blake Farenthold (R-TX)

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com…]



“I’ve gotta go back home, look people in the eye and say, look, I told you $100 billion, but I went for less, and I’ve got to have a because,” Farenthold said. “Because I don’t want to be perceived as a liar back home.”


Well, sure, that explains everything.
It’s all about political reputations, never mind the women.

60 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:07:32am

Anyone else getting tired of hearing Reid and Boehner talk?

61 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:09:14am
“Everybody goes to clinics, to doctors, to hospitals, so on,” Kyl said. “Some people go to Planned Parenthood. But you don’t have to go to Planned Parenthood to get your cholesterol or your blood pressure checked. If you want an abortion, you go to Planned Parenthood, and that’s well over 90 percent of what Planned Parenthood does.” - Jon Kyl, R- State of Lying

thinkprogress.org

62 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:09:41am

Slight error in the subtitle, Charles. This isn’t just about controlling a woman’s body. It’s about controlling women.

It’s not just about abortion or birth control. It’s about sending women back into the home and keeping them ignorant, barefoot, and pregnant.

63 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:10:39am

re: #50 researchok

Therein lies the faulty ideology of much of the religious right.

Attacking the ‘symptom’ (abortion) does nothing to alleviate the real problem- unwanted pregnancies women’s desire to control their own fertility and lives.

My opinion.

64 SteveMcGazi  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:10:54am

Out of curiosity, don’t women show a tendency to vote Democratic?

65 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:11:16am

re: #60 JasonA

Anyone else getting tired of hearing Reid and Boehner talk?

I want a Thunderdome

66 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:12:44am

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The GOP answer to cutting Planned Parenthood?

Saddlebacking.

Heh. Saddlebacking means you’re still a virgin, don’tcha know. ;)

67 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:13:03am

re: #62 Lidane

Slight error in the subtitle, Charles. This isn’t just about controlling a woman’s body. It’s about controlling women.

It’s not just about abortion or birth control. It’s about sending women back into the home and keeping them ignorant, barefoot, and pregnant.

Except they can come out at gunpoint to hear David Barton.

68 dr. luba  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:13:31am

re: #59 jaunte

It’s all about political reputations, never mind the women.

That pretty much sums up the modern Republican party.

69 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:13:40am

Let’s face it girls, your fuck dolls, child bearers, coffee getters and ass wipers. And what’s so wrong with that? All you need is a doctor to make sure your cholesterol is ok, your blood pressure is normal, to put his arm around you when your feeling anxious because your Man is on a business trip and your not sure if it’s righty tighty or lefty lucy to turn the water faucet off. Besides all that, the Men will make sure there’s food on the table, a warm place to live and clothes to hide your awesome naughty bits from the other men. So please, sit down and SHUT THE FUCK UP.

70 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:13:59am

re: #25 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m still waiting for the campaign against divorce.

They already have that.

71 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:15:03am

re: #65 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I want a Thunderdome

Can’t we just get beyond Thunderdome?

/

72 SteveMcGazi  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:15:13am

re: #64 SteveMcG

Out of curiosity, don’t women show a tendency to vote Democratic?

Yes! According to Townhall.com, townhall.com womenin general supported Obama 56-43, and unmarried women supported Obama 70-29. Hmmmm.

73 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:16:02am

re: #71 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Can’t we just get beyond Thunderdome?

/

I’m so far beyond it, I’m in Rangoon.

74 KingKenrod  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:16:41am

re: #37 Obdicut

But Planned Parenthood really isn’t about abortions. Or are you just saying that to the deranged wingnuts, the same who believe we spend like 25% of our budget on foreign aid, that PP spends 100% of their time doing abortions?

Yes, that last thing. The right sees PP as an abortion racket. The facts don’t matter to them.

75 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:17:54am

re: #66 Lidane

Heh. Saddlebacking means you’re still a virgin, don’tcha know. ;)

Shit, I knew there was an upside to those Jesus meetings my friends were going to when I was 16.

76 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:18:02am

re: #72 SteveMcG

Yes! According to Townhall.com, [Link: townhall.com…] womenin general supported Obama 56-43, and unmarried women supported Obama 70-29. Hmmm.

Gee. Can’t imagine why. Maybe it has something to do with being treated like a human being instead of an incubator. =P

77 KingKenrod  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:18:41am

re: #39 iceweasel

Yes, they would.
Exhibit A: furor over the HPV vaccine
Exhibit B: Africa and AIDS

It’s not only about abortion and never was.

I don’t know if they would hold up the budget and take the political risk over that. Currently they seem to be drawing the line at two things: PP and de-fanging EPA.

78 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:19:05am

re: #75 Jeff In Ohio

Shit, I knew there was an upside to those Jesus meetings my friends were going to when I was 16.

Mind the santorum.

79 albusteve  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:19:23am

well what’dya know….someone found 14k more ballots up in WI, mostly GOP voters….shocking….now the dems are upset

80 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:19:56am

re: #75 Jeff In Ohio

Shit, I knew there was an upside to those Jesus meetings my friends were going to when I was 16.

Heh. I had my first kiss at a church dance and had my first makeout sessions with a different boy from my church. It gave a whole new meaning to religious education. ;)

81 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:20:13am

re: #79 albusteve

well what’dya know…someone found 14k more ballots up in WI, mostly GOP voters…shocking…now the dems are upset

How can that possibly be? I was just told the other day that an election declared for a Democrat never swing back to the Republican during a recount.

82 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:21:12am
“I went to Planned Parent hood for a pap smear, and they aborted my stomach! The receptionist said next time come pregnant and bring 3 child hookers with you or we’re taking your large intestine”

as recorded by the awesome stripper Lila Rose.

83 albusteve  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:22:11am

re: #81 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

How can that possibly be? I was just told the other day that an election declared for a Democrat never swing back to the Republican during a recount.

don’t believe everything you hear from another poster

84 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:22:59am

re: #78 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Mind the santorum.

I have a pithy response to that, but it is so clearly over the line, I will chuckle to myself.

85 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:23:03am

“I went to Planned Parenthood for an abortion and they told me I couldn’t have one because I’m not a woman!”—Herbert Garrison

86 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:23:32am

I can see no way that this can possibly be controversial.

Jesus as an openly gay man


The most astounding finding from the newly discovered lead codices is that Jesus Christ was unambiguously and openly gay. He and his disciples formed a same-sex coterie, bound by feelings of love and mutual support. There are recorded instances of same-sex activity – the “beloved disciple” plays a significant role – and there is affirmation of the joys of friendship and of living and loving together.

A whole new complexion is given to that rather puzzling passage where Jesus exhorts his followers to break family ties: “If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.” (Luke 14, 26). It seems clear now that this is less a negative repudiation of family and more a positive exhortation to join in affirmation of a gay lifestyle and love.

There is at least one new parable, that of the two young men. There are clear echoes of the relationship between David and Jonathan, for Jesus speaks of one young man having his soul “knit with the soul” of the other, and loving him “as his own soul”. Intriguing is evidence that the Catholics might be closer to the truth about the status of Mary, the mother of Jesus, than are the Protestants. She has a much bigger role in the life of Jesus than many hitherto expected, with Jesus frequently returning home and making much of her.

87 Gus  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:24:16am

Cripes. Not a day goes by now were I don’t have to feel the morons below me jumping up and down on their floor. One of them is like 300 pounds.

88 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:25:04am

re: #80 Lidane

Heh. I had my first kiss at a church dance and had my first makeout sessions with a different boy from my church. It gave a whole new meaning to religious education. ;)

Awwww, I had to play spin the bottle in the basement with the other bad 7th graders while her the hosts mom was upstairs passing out drunk in front of the TV. You Jesus kids had it made.

89 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:25:34am

re: #86 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh, man. The theological cranial asplosions will be fun to watch.

90 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:26:13am

re: #87 Gus 802

Cripes. Not a day goes by now were I don’t have to feel the morons below me jumping up and down on their floor. One of them is like 300 pounds.

Just be thankful they don’t live above you.

91 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:26:39am

re: #88 Jeff In Ohio

Awww, I had to play spin the bottle in the basement with the other bad 7th graders while her the hosts mom was upstairs passing out drunk in front of the TV. You Jesus kids had it made.

Pfft. I was raised Catholic. If you listen to the evangelicals, I was never a Jesus kid. I was in a Papal cult. Still, I had fun and don’t regret at moment of it.

92 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:27:24am

re: #91 Lidane

Pfft. I was raised Catholic. If you listen to the evangelicals, I was never a Jesus kid. I was in a Papal cult. Still, I had fun and don’t regret at moment of it.

Babylonian Whores are always fun at parties.

93 Gus  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:27:27am

re: #90 Alouette

Just be thankful they don’t live above you.

I hear that. I will never live below anyone for the rest of my life if at all possible.

94 webevintage  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:28:39am

I posted this yesterday, but it fits here.
This comment was on Ezra Klien’s blog about PP and what they really do:

“They use that ‘so much more’ to increase their abortion business. They promote promiscuous behaviors and reliance upon contraceptives. Over 50% of the women that come back to them for abortions had relied on contraceptives during the period of conception.”

Seriously.
How can you compromise with people who think like this.
And while no of them com out and say it what really annoys them is birth control because that allows SluttyMcSluts to have sex without paying the consequences since everyone knows sex is only for making babies within a God blessed marriage.

95 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:28:50am

re: #92 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Babylonian Whores are always fun at parties.

Youtube Video
96 Iwouldprefernotto  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:28:55am

re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Newt and Trump will both have problems getting behind that.

and their Saint, Ronald Reagan

97 Big Steve  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:29:07am

I have a fond story about the new planned parenthood building in Houston. When I first moved to Houston (1978) and I was just Young Steve at the time, I remember seeing them throw up some crappy ass five story bank building along the Gulf Freeway near U of H. There is sat slowly becoming blighted for 30 years. One day two years ago, driving by with my son, we saw a wrecking ball attacking the building. I remarked to son of Big Steve that I had gotten to witness the entire life cycle of that building. However weeks later going by again, I noticed that the facade had been removed but the steel structure remained. Weeks after that, they added more structure as well as more floors….and within six months a new building was born. It was the new Planned Parenthood building. The engineer in me was impressed by their desire to recycle an old building.

98 webevintage  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:30:14am

re: #62 Lidane

Slight error in the subtitle, Charles. This isn’t just about controlling a woman’s body. It’s about controlling women.

It’s not just about abortion or birth control. It’s about sending women back into the home and keeping them ignorant, barefoot, and pregnant.

THIS.

99 Charleston Chew  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:31:41am
The Republican Party is preparing to shut down the government in order to stop Planned Parenthood from destroying America.

I’ve said it before but I think it’s worth repeating. These people want to “save” America the same way Ethan Edwards wanted to “save” Debbie from the Comanche in The Searchers.

Youtube Video

This peculiar aspect of the conservative mindset has not change in over 50 years. It’s the same mindset that tried to save people from Communism by bombing them back to the stone age. If someone like this ever says they want to save you from something… run!

100 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:32:39am

And here it comes to a head

The GOP knows that if they cave on the budget, their far right base will desert them and their chances at 2012 are ruined.

Therefore, they are looking to go ahead with the shutdown and find anyway possible to blame it on Obama and the Democrats.

And the truly disturbing part about this? It just might work.

101 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:32:52am

re: #99 Charleston Chew

I’ve said it before but I think it’s worth repeating. These people want to “save” America the same way Ethan Edwards wanted to “save” Debbie from the Comanche in The Searchers.

[Video]This peculiar aspect of the conservative mindset has not change in over 50 years. It’s the same mindset that tried to save people from Communism by bombing them back to the stone age. If someone like this ever says they want to save you from something… run!

Nine most frightening words in the English language: “I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”

102 Gus  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:33:25am

OK I figured it out using some online calculator. The force of an object weighing 300 pounds dropped from 1 foot height (i.e. a small jump) equals 4064.6 Newtons or approximately 913.7 lbf (pounds-force). That’s a lot of lard.

103 albusteve  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:34:19am

re: #100 dragonfire1981

And here it comes to a head

The GOP knows that if they cave on the budget, their far right base will desert them and their chances at 2012 are ruined.

Therefore, they are looking to go ahead with the shutdown and find anyway possible to blame it on Obama and the Democrats.

And the truly disturbing part about this? It just might work.

BO has had nothing to do with the budget talks as far as I know…even his own party has asked for more input and leadership

104 Why I Never!  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:34:37am

Email from the DCCC:

Never in my lifetime have I seen Republicans in Congress so determined to deny women health care and family planning that they were willing to shut down the government just to advance their extreme social agenda.

Right now, the single most important thing we can do together is to hold them accountable.

The DCCC is just $29,281 short of their emergency Rapid Response goal of $100,000 by Midnight Tonight. Will you put us over the top?

Contribute $3 or more right now so we can get hard-hitting ads up to hold Tea Party extremists in Congress accountable for their radical assault on women’s health care and reproductive freedom.

Don’t be fooled by any of their rhetoric. The real reason that the right-wing extremists in Congress orchestrated this outrageous government shutdown is to try and defund Planned Parenthood as part of their ideological assault on women’s health care.

Millions of Americans rely on Planned Parenthood for lifesaving breast and cervical cancer screenings, family planning visits, and basic preventive care.

Every dollar you contribute will help us expose the real agenda of the Tea Party extremists and make sure they are held accountable like never before.

But time is running out. We must raise $100,000 by Midnight Tonight.

Thank you for standing strong.

Rep. Diana DeGette
Co-Chair of the House Pro-Choice Caucus

P.S. These Tea Party extremists in Congress are so determined to deny women health care and family planning services that they shut down the government just to advance their extreme social agenda. Help us raise $29,281 more by midnight tonight to hold them accountable.

105 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:35:02am

re: #100 dragonfire1981

And here it comes to a head

The GOP knows that if they cave on the budget, their far right base will desert them and their chances at 2012 are ruined.

Therefore, they are looking to go ahead with the shutdown and find anyway possible to blame it on Obama and the Democrats.

And the truly disturbing part about this? It just might work.

Ayep. They punted on the $100 billion promise, and the Dems are balking even at the $60 billion that the Repubs dropped to. So now it’s a matter of hoping that they can build enough bad public sentiment against the Dems in the hopes of forcing them back to the table to accept more extensive cuts. The riders are a big part of it, but the biggest part of all this is saving face with the Tea Partiers.

106 Ericus58  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:36:06am

re: #104 iceweasel

Email from the DCCC:

ahhh….. yeah.

That just struck me wrong…..

107 Why I Never!  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:36:45am

re: #106 Ericus58

ahhh… yeah.

That just struck me wrong…

They fundraise at the slightest provocation.

108 Charleston Chew  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:37:06am

re: #101 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Nine most frightening words in the English language: “I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”

It’s a clever line, until that day when a Coast Guard helicopter comes and gets you off that overturned boat, or the National Guard helps you sandbag around your home as the floodwaters rise. Then it’s not funny anymore.

109 Big Steve  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:37:08am

re: #106 Ericus58

ahhh… yeah.

That just struck me wrong…


agreed…..just Rahming it…and not letting a good crisis go to waste….so send us money.

110 Ericus58  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:37:42am

I think I need my blankie again…. I can’t disagree with Harry on this one:

”#
1410: Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, speaking to reporters, has said: “The House leaders have a very clear choice to make and they don’t have much time to make that choice. They can keep their word and significantly cut the US deficit or they can shut down the government over women’s access to health care. If that sounds ridiculous that’s because it is ridiculous.”“

Please someone tell me what the color of the sky is in my world….

111 theheat  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:37:48am

re: #107 iceweasel

iceweasel, how can I send you an email real quick-like?

112 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:37:57am

re: #107 iceweasel

They fundraise at the slightest provocation.

Who doesn’t. I signed up to the Tea Party Express email list a couple years back, when I was suffering from a case of temporary insanity, and I get a letter from them begging for money practically every other hour.

113 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:38:22am

re: #100 dragonfire1981

Therefore, they are looking to go ahead with the shutdown and find anyway possible to blame it on Obama and the Democrats.

And the truly disturbing part about this? It just might work.

They know that the Democrats will do everything possible to play into their hands on this issue, how can they resist?

114 Ericus58  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:38:51am

re: #107 iceweasel

They fundraise at the slightest provocation.

“Runners at your marks……

Set…..

Fundraise!!”

115 Why I Never!  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:39:14am

re: #111 theheat

iceweasel, how can I send you an email real quick-like?

twitter direct message: twitter.com

116 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:39:32am

re: #110 Ericus58

I think I need my blankie again… I can’t disagree with Harry on this one:

”#
1410: Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, speaking to reporters, has said: “The House leaders have a very clear choice to make and they don’t have much time to make that choice. They can keep their word and significantly cut the US deficit or they can shut down the government over women’s access to health care. If that sounds ridiculous that’s because it is ridiculous.”“

Please someone tell me what the color of the sky is in my world…

Why is it always crunch time when Reid and Pelosi start making sense?

117 Why I Never!  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:40:09am

re: #114 Ericus58

“Runners at your marks…

Set…

Fundraise!!”

yeah, I can only see so many “We need 100,000 by midnight” emails before I’m tired, but I thought i’d pass it along for those who might be interested.

118 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:40:22am

re: #101 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Nine most frightening words in the English language: “I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”


I found it terribly Ironic that the US Navy sent the aircraft Carrier USS Ronald Reagan to Japan to help with tsunami relief.

Especially when the captain announces “We’re from the US government and we are here to help you!”

119 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:40:25am

re: #100 dragonfire1981

re: #110 Ericus58

Please someone tell me what the color of the sky is in my world…

It’s the opposite of the rose-colored Tea Party world that thinks that all this shit is a good idea.

120 theheat  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:40:28am

re: #115 iceweasel

I never use twitter.

121 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:41:17am

re: #117 iceweasel

yeah, I can only see so many “We need 100,000 by midnight” emails before I’m tired, but I thought i’d pass it along for those who might be interested.

I ignore all the fundraiser emails I get. They go to my spam box and I never even look at them anymore.

122 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:41:42am

OT

Who is the moron who cast that twaddling prat Russel Brand as the new Arthur?

123 Why I Never!  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:42:44am

re: #120 theheat

I never use twitter.

Youtube? You can email us there, too.
youtube.com

124 Gus  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:43:01am

I have to get to work. Later, later!

125 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:43:43am

re: #107 iceweasel

They fundraise at the slightest provocation.

The last time the DCCC called me, I told them to call me again when my representative sprouts some balls.

126 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:43:50am

re: #76 Lidane

Gee. Can’t imagine why. Maybe it has something to do with being treated like a human being instead of an incubator. =P

McCain seriously lost standing with me when he referred to the ‘health’ of the mother, doing little scare quotes with his hands.

127 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:43:55am

re: #122 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OT

Who is the moron who cast that twaddling prat Russel Brand as the new Arthur?

I can’t decide what to think about Russell Brand. He’s got his moments of being funny, but Arthur looks like a totally unnecessary remake. WTF?

128 Why I Never!  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:44:00am

re: #120 theheat

I never use twitter.

If you turn your nick blue I could email you.

129 Big Steve  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:44:21am

re: #122 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OT

Who is the moron who cast that twaddling prat Russel Brand as the new Arthur?

same people who thought that Charlie Sheen would be funny live.

130 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:44:53am

re: #127 Lidane

I can’t decide what to think about Russell Brand. He’s got his moments of being funny, but Arthur looks like a totally unnecessary remake. WTF?

To all appearances, its just an awful movie

131 Ericus58  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:45:14am

re: #122 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OT

Who is the moron who cast that twaddling prat Russel Brand as the new Arthur?

ha! He was good in “Get him to the Greek”, but not sure about this casting.

132 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:45:35am

re: #122 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OT

Who is the moron who cast that twaddling prat Russel Brand as the new Arthur?

The original was terrible. Why did they think a remake would be a great idea?

133 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:45:58am

re: #130 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

To all appearances, its just an awful movie

Plus, Helen Mirren doesn’t have a machine gun. This is just wrong. After Red, she needs to be holding a gun in every film from now on.

134 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:46:37am

re: #132 Fozzie Bear

The original was terrible. Why did they think a remake would be a great idea?


because it made money, and anything that works once is worth a remake/sequel/knockoff/spin-off

135 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:46:47am

re: #133 Lidane

Plus, Helen Mirren doesn’t have a machine gun. This is just wrong. After Red, she needs to be holding a gun in every film from now on.

Red was a fun movie. John Malkovich was hilarious.

136 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:47:19am

re: #79 albusteve

well what’dya know…someone found 14k more ballots up in WI, mostly GOP voters…shocking…now the dems are upset

They ‘found’ them? In the freezer of the Democratic committee chair? Out of thin air when the recount looked a little scanty?

137 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:48:11am

re: #136 SanFranciscoZionist

They ‘found’ them? In the freezer of the Democratic committee chair? Out of thin air when the recount looked a little scanty?

Nah, buried next to Jimmy Hoffa.

138 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:48:19am

re: #135 Fozzie Bear

Red was a fun movie. John Malkovich was hilarious.

I had a blast with Red. Between John Malkovich, Helen Mirren with a gun, and Karl Urban and Bruce Willis beating the crap out of each other, I loved it.

139 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:48:32am

re: #104 iceweasel

Contribute $3 or more right now so we can get hard-hitting ads up

They had me going for about the 10 seconds it took until I read this.

140 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:48:50am

re: #136 SanFranciscoZionist

They ‘found’ them? In the freezer of the Democratic committee chair? Out of thin air when the recount looked a little scanty?

In Al Capone’s vaults along with Geraldo Rivera’s dignity.

141 theheat  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:49:00am

re: #128 iceweasel

Will do as soon as I figure out how… You need to add me as a youtube friend for me to email you there.

142 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:49:28am

re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist

McCain seriously lost standing with me when he referred to the ‘health’ of the mother, doing little scare quotes with his hands.

Followed by the words “huge loophole”, if I recall correctly. Made me sick. I mean, “”“sick”“”.

143 Why I Never!  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:51:12am

re: #141 theheat

Will do as soon as I figure out how… You need to add me as a youtube friend for me to email you there.

i did and emailed you. ;)

144 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:51:21am

re: #112 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Who doesn’t. I signed up to the Tea Party Express email list a couple years back, when I was suffering from a case of temporary insanity, and I get a letter from them begging for money practically every other hour.

Hell, I’m on the Tikkun Magazine e-mail list. Israel bombs something. Can I send money to Tikkun? Palestinians blow shit up. Can I send money to Tikkun? Bush wins. Can I send money to Tikkun? Obama needs our help. Same question. Obama not doing what Michael Lerner wants. Same question. Forever and ever.

145 MarkAM  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:54:37am

On a Republican official’s personal computer:

citizenactionwi.org

re: #140 Lidane

146 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:54:41am

re: #144 SanFranciscoZionist

Hell, I’m on the Tikkun Magazine e-mail list. Israel bombs something. Can I send money to Tikkun? Palestinians blow shit up. Can I send money to Tikkun? Bush wins. Can I send money to Tikkun? Obama needs our help. Same question. Obama not doing what Michael Lerner wants. Same question. Forever and ever.

I’m sure I’m still on a bunch of email listservs that I signed up for back in the ‘90’s, but which I filtered out a long time ago.

147 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:56:18am

re: #144 SanFranciscoZionist
If I do not recognize it. It get deleted.

148 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:56:32am

re: #136 SanFranciscoZionist

They ‘found’ them? In the freezer of the Democratic committee chair? Out of thin air when the recount looked a little scanty?

Nickolaus said she forgot to click “save” in Microsoft Access to save the totals she had entered into the program. The problem? In no version of MS Access ever released do you have to click “save”. It saves data directly to the database as it is entered.

dailykos.com

149 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:57:00am

re: #147 PhillyPretzel
Opps gets.

150 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:57:35am

re: #148 Fozzie Bear

Nickolaus said she forgot to click “save” in Microsoft Access to save the totals she had entered into the program. The problem? In no version of MS Access ever released do you have to click “save”. It saves data directly to the database as it is entered.

[Link: www.dailykos.com…]

Hmmm…

151 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:57:35am

re: #148 Fozzie Bear

Nickolaus said she forgot to click “save” in Microsoft Access to save the totals she had entered into the program. The problem? In no version of MS Access ever released do you have to click “save”. It saves data directly to the database as it is entered.

[Link: www.dailykos.com…]

Also Ms. Nickolaus…

“For context, it’s worth noting that Kathy Nickolaus is a Republican donor who’s been involved in a series of controversial elections, including a ballot mix-up in 2004, sample ballots in 2005 that accidentally told voters who to vote for, a 2007 incident involving touch-screen voting, and perhaps most importantly, a 2002 controversy in which Nickolaus was granted immunity as part of a criminal investigation into Republican misdeeds in the State Assembly.”

washingtonmonthly.com

I’m not saying this automatically means hat the votes are fake… but could you imagine a LESS CONVINCING person to bring forward new votes?

152 Ericus58  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:58:05am

re: #123 iceweasel

Youtube? You can email us there, too.
[Link: www.youtube.com…]

I like Fluffy.

153 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:59:00am

re: #151 jamesfirecat

Also Ms. Nickolaus…

“For context, it’s worth noting that Kathy Nickolaus is a Republican donor who’s been involved in a series of controversial elections, including a ballot mix-up in 2004, sample ballots in 2005 that accidentally told voters who to vote for, a 2007 incident involving touch-screen voting, and perhaps most importantly, a 2002 controversy in which Nickolaus was granted immunity as part of a criminal investigation into Republican misdeeds in the State Assembly.”

[Link: www.washingtonmonthly.com…]

I’m not saying this automatically means hat the votes are fake… but could you imagine a LESS CONVINCING person to bring forward new votes?

You beat me to it. I was just typing this out, lol.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this turns into a major fracas. This whole thing is extremely fishy.

154 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:59:57am

re: #148 Fozzie Bear

Nickolaus said she forgot to click “save” in Microsoft Access to save the totals she had entered into the program. The problem? In no version of MS Access ever released do you have to click “save”. It saves data directly to the database as it is entered.

[Link: www.dailykos.com…]

Maybe she has the “Microsoft Works” version or the “demo” version or some cracker version that was downloaded from a warez site.
//

155 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:00:04pm

I have no clue is this has been posted here or not, but Louis J. Marinelli has come out in support of Full Marriage Equity.

It’s an interesting read, and a very honest self assessment and admission that he was wrong.

In case you’re wondering, Marinelli was the one behind the 2010 Summer for Marriage Tour which the National Organization for Marriage sponsored and operated.

So Him coming out and admitting he was wrong is a pretty big blow to NOM.

156 MarkAM  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:00:17pm

re: #151 jamesfirecat

And she apparently was using her own laptop, although that’s not entirely clear. In any event, this one is really off the charts.

157 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:01:16pm

re: #151 jamesfirecat

I doubt it. 538 thinks they’re real.

158 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:01:33pm

OT, but Jon Stewart paid “tribute” to Glenn Beck last night:

Comedy Central Video
Comedy Central Video
Comedy Central Video
Comedy Central Video

Hehe.

159 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:01:39pm

re: #154 Alouette

Maybe she has the “Microsoft Works” version or the “demo” version or some cracker version that was downloaded from a warez site.
//

I’m sure she has people frantically searching for some obscure version of Access which doesn’t auto save as data is being entered, lol.

160 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:02:16pm

Do the Rosemary Wood!

161 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:02:36pm

re: #157 Obdicut

I doubt it. 538 thinks they’re real.

They probably are real. But why, exactly, is this woman allowed to keep votes on her personal computer, when nobody else in the state operates this way? And more importantly, why would she lie about what happened?

162 Jack Burton  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:02:49pm

re: #148 Fozzie Bear

Nickolaus said she forgot to click “save” in Microsoft Access to save the totals she had entered into the program. The problem? In no version of MS Access ever released do you have to click “save”. It saves data directly to the database as it is entered.

[Link: www.dailykos.com…]

There is a save in MS Access. I just checked it. The data is entered in to the DB as entered but, AFAIK that DB resides in memory. Saving commits changes to disk. If it’s connected to a MS SQL server or something, then the save would mean nothing except to maybe save a copy locally.

163 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:03:18pm

re: #159 Fozzie Bear

I’m sure she has people frantically searching for some obscure version of Access which doesn’t auto save as data is being entered, lol.

Meanwhile, over at Microsoft, someone is now plotting to create a version of Access that doesn’t auto save just so they can charge extra for the one they’ve always sold.

164 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:04:33pm

re: #161 Fozzie Bear

They probably are real. But why, exactly, is this woman allowed to keep votes on her personal computer, when nobody else in the state operates this way? And more importantly, why would she lie about what happened?

One lie tends to lead to another…

///Sadly we probably can’t get Miles Edgeworth and Detective Gumshoe on the case since no one has been murdered…. yet

165 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:04:46pm

re: #162 ArchangelMichael

There is a save in MS Access. I just checked it. The data is entered in to the DB as entered but, AFAIK that DB resides in memory. Saving commits changes to disk. If it’s connected to a MS SQL server or something, then the save would mean nothing except to maybe save a copy locally.

There is a save function, but try to reproduce the behavior described in the DKos article. Can you enter data, close the program, and lose the data? It’s not working that way here. It seems like no matter what I do, the data is still there. I even tried a hard shutdown, and the data is still there. What gives?

166 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:06:27pm

re: #163 Lidane

Meanwhile, over at Microsoft, someone is now plotting to create a version of Access that doesn’t auto save just so they can charge extra for the one they’ve always sold.

So they have learned something from Apple.

167 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:06:30pm

re: #162 ArchangelMichael

There is a save in MS Access. I just checked it. The data is entered in to the DB as entered but, AFAIK that DB resides in memory. Saving commits changes to disk. If it’s connected to a MS SQL server or something, then the save would mean nothing except to maybe save a copy locally.

The “save” icon is if you make structural changes to the tables or the data format, but if you enter something into a table it gets saved automatically.

168 elizajane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:06:57pm

re: #153 Fozzie Bear

You beat me to it. I was just typing this out, lol.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this turns into a major fracas. This whole thing is extremely fishy.

Now don’t be a conspiracy theorist here! It was just MAGIC that helped a Republican donor to find, in her personal computer, precisely the number of votes that her former employer needed to avoid a recount in this election.

MAGIC. Unicorns. Just like Paul Ryan’s budget numbers.

169 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:07:46pm

re: #165 Fozzie Bear

She’s incompetent and giving an incompetent explanation.

Never assume malice when stupidity will suffice.

And the reason why this woman is the one coming forward with the surprising result? Because she’s the fuck-up. We didn’t hear from anyone else because they didn’t fuck up.

171 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:08:04pm

re: #168 elizajane

Now don’t be a conspiracy theorist here! It was just MAGIC that helped a Republican donor to find, in her personal computer, precisely the number of votes that her former employer needed to avoid a recount in this election.

MAGIC. Unicorns. Just like Paul Ryan’s budget numbers.

God’s Plan.

172 Ericus58  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:08:06pm

”#
1502: The National Republican Congressional Committee has issued a press release saying: “The fundamental issue at hand is whether to make real spending cuts or continue to spend money we don’t have and borrow it from countries like China instead.”“

Then why the HELL are you tacking on riders that deal with such dinky funding outlays as those with PP and NPR?!?!?!

Morons. A decent high school debate team could eviscerate their arguments….

I’ve got some work to do and be back in awhile…

173 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:08:31pm

re: #166 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So they have learned something from Apple.

Just not Apple’s most important lesson. How to make people want stuff.

174 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:08:55pm

re: #166 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So they have learned something from Apple.

Heh.

I’m in the middle of trying to write the hardest paper ever. I’m having to try and offer suggestions for how to change the perception of Mac gaming. I’m trying to figure out how to say “UPGRADABLE HARDWARE, YOU IDIOTS” in nice terms.

175 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:09:08pm

CNN: Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid insists Democrats can still reach a deal with Republicans.
lol

176 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:09:58pm

re: #175 Killgore Trout

CNN: Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid insists Democrats can still reach a deal with Republicans.
lol

I’m sure Dark would tell us that’s just his way of proving how he’s secretly rooting for a shut down.

(I don’t want to mock DF, but if the shoe fits…)

177 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:10:05pm

re: #145 MarkAM

On a Republican official’s personal computer:

[Link: citizenactionwi.org…]

It’s not that I mind having to deal with this sort of thing occasionally. It’s just that I mind having to deal with the accusations of voter fraud every time a Democrat wins something, and THEN having to deal with this sort of thing.

God willing, they can sort this out without too much craziness.

178 Big Steve  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:10:30pm

re: #148 Fozzie Bear

Nickolaus said she forgot to click “save” in Microsoft Access to save the totals she had entered into the program. The problem? In no version of MS Access ever released do you have to click “save”. It saves data directly to the database as it is entered.

[Link: www.dailykos.com…]

This is actual total bullshit. Access automatically saves if you move the insertion point to another record. However if you want to save a record while editing it you hit SAVE RECORDS on the record page. Who ever wrote this obviously has never worked with Microsoft Access. I am sitting here working on an Access file right now and staring at the save button.

179 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:10:40pm

re: #148 Fozzie Bear

Nickolaus said she forgot to click “save” in Microsoft Access to save the totals she had entered into the program. The problem? In no version of MS Access ever released do you have to click “save”. It saves data directly to the database as it is entered.

[Link: www.dailykos.com…]

That was certainly true the last time I was using an Access database.

180 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:10:52pm

re: #173 JasonA

Just not Apple’s most important lesson. How to make people want stuff.

Like what?

Never looked at an iPod, not interested in an iPhone, and the Macs don’t run the games I want to play, so what do they make that I want again?

181 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:11:17pm

re: #176 jamesfirecat

I’m sure Dark would tell us that’s just his way of proving how he’s secretly rooting for a shut down.

(I don’t want to mock DF, but if the shoe fits…)

I don’t think there’s anything the Dems could offer that would avoid a shutdown. If the wingnuts want it then they’ll do it no matter what.

182 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:11:23pm

re: #170 Killgore Trout

Alex Jones: Fox News Is “Moving More Towards What Beck Was Doing”

Translation: “Now these assholes are stealing my schtick. WTF?”

183 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:11:35pm

re: #172 Ericus58

”#
1502: The National Republican Congressional Committee has issued a press release saying: “The fundamental issue at hand is whether to make real spending cuts or continue to spend money we don’t have and borrow it from countries like China instead.”“

Then why the HELL are you tacking on riders that deal with such dinky funding outlays as those with PP and NPR?!?!?!

Morons. A decent high school debate team could eviscerate their arguments…

I’ve got some work to do and be back in awhile…

Because they want to keep the argument about cuts without acknowledging that the Democrats have already agreed to cuts. If the reality that this is about riders that little or no significant effect on the deficit gets out, then they lose whatever chance they might have of making this shutdown work for them rather than against them.

184 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:11:48pm

re: #155 bloodstar

I have no clue is this has been posted here or not, but Louis J. Marinelli has come out in support of Full Marriage Equity.

It’s an interesting read, and a very honest self assessment and admission that he was wrong.

In case you’re wondering, Marinelli was the one behind the 2010 Summer for Marriage Tour which the National Organization for Marriage sponsored and operated.

So Him coming out and admitting he was wrong is a pretty big blow to NOM.

My God, someone changed his mind about something? And admitted it?

This I gotta see.

185 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:12:10pm

re: #180 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Like what?

Never looked at an iPod, not interested in an iPhone, and the Macs don’t run the games I want to play, so what do they make that I want again?

Hey, I’m on your side, but they do a great job of making a lot of people want their stuff.

I saw a Zune in someone’s hand once.

Once…

186 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:12:18pm

re: #160 ralphieboy

Do the Rosemary Wood!


LOL! How many people here know that? I just did it at my desk!

187 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:12:44pm

GlennThrush Glenn Thrush

Sargent: Pew shows indies have swung against tea party by 13 points. wapo.st

No duh wingnuts!

188 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:12:45pm

re: #169 Obdicut

She’s incompetent and giving an incompetent explanation.

Never assume malice when stupidity will suffice.

And the reason why this woman is the one coming forward with the surprising result? Because she’s the fuck-up. We didn’t hear from anyone else because they didn’t fuck up.

As I see it there are four possible outcomes

A: The votes she found count and she keeps her job.
B: The votes she found count but she’s canned for screwing up on such a monumental scale.
C: The votes she’s found don’t count but she keeps her job.
D: The votes shes found don’t count and she’s fired.

Outcomes B through D are all reasonable acceptable to me.

Outcome A however will cause massive amounts of RAGE as nobody should be able to screw up on the national stage like this and get to keep their job.

189 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:12:51pm

re: #157 Obdicut

I doubt it. 538 thinks they’re real.

Hilariously, I find that much more convincing than, well, most other things would be.

190 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:13:03pm

LIVE BLOG: The latest shutdown developments

2:47 p.m. ET - @LisaDCNN: PERSPECTIVE: The potential freeze of military death payments is real. But telling press about it is also part of WH pressuring GOP to deal.

2:41 p.m. ET - The $100,000 to $400,000 life insurance death benefit for those killed in the line of duty will not be paid during a government shutdown, a defense official said Friday. About 100-150 claims are processed a month, generally quickly, to help meet expenses in days after the death. The official, who briefed reporters about the potential shutdown impact at the Pentagon on the condition the official’s name not be used, said it could lead to families having trouble meeting death expenses, the CNN Pentagon Unit reported. The official also said the money would be paid when the shutdown is completed.


Very sad,

191 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:13:31pm

re: #101 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Nine most frightening words in the English language: “I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”

I almost downdinged for this, except for the context. I still consider it the cornerstone of why I despise Reagan — and most of the tea party mentality that flows from it.

192 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:13:34pm

re: #184 SanFranciscoZionist

My God, someone changed his mind about something? And admitted it?

This I gotta see.

Image: 903558_big.jpg

193 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:14:39pm

New meme after tonight: Two shutdowns for the last two Dem Presidents. Therefore we should not have Democratic Presidents.

You’re welcome.

194 MarkAM  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:14:44pm

Given her history, I think “screw up” is overly charitable.

re: #188 jamesfirecat

As I see it there are four possible outcomes

A: The votes she found count and she keeps her job.
B: The votes she found count but she’s canned for screwing up on such a monumental scale.
C: The votes she’s found don’t count but she keeps her job.
D: The votes shes found don’t count and she’s fired.

Outcomes B through D are all reasonable acceptable to me.

Outcome A however will cause massive amounts of RAGE as nobody should be able to screw up on the national stage like this and get to keep their job.

195 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:15:09pm

re: #185 JasonA

Hey, I’m on your side, but they do a great job of making a lot of people want their stuff.

I saw a Zune in someone’s hand once.

Once…

On that note, I just switched from an iPhone to a Windows Phone. Samsung make an amazing little bit of tech. This thing zooms. Sure, I lost a few apps, but I’ve gained speed and productivity. And I now have Office on my phone, which is surprisingly useful.

196 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:15:14pm

re: #168 elizajane

Now don’t be a conspiracy theorist here! It was just MAGIC that helped a Republican donor to find, in her personal computer, precisely the number of votes that her former employer needed to avoid a recount in this election.

MAGIC. Unicorns. Just like Paul Ryan’s budget numbers.

It’s a more than a little convenient, but that doesn’t really mean anything.

I might suggest that this lady go into some other department, though. PR. Something that doesn’t involve crunching numbers of votes in a highly accurate and above-board way.

197 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:16:01pm

re: #195 Lidane

On that note, I just switched from an iPhone to a Windows Phone. Samsung make an amazing little bit of tech. This thing zooms. Sure, I lost a few apps, but I’ve gained speed and productivity. And I now have Office on my phone, which is surprisingly useful.

Gah! Take it back! Get an Atrix! Or an an Inspire!

WP7? I expect better of you.

198 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:16:13pm

re: #193 JasonA

New meme after tonight: Two shutdowns for the last two Dem Presidents. Therefore we should not have Democratic Presidents.

You’re welcome.

Yeah, though it should be pointed out that both shutdowns happened due to Republicans holding the House but not the Senate. Hence we should not have Republicans in control of Congress while a Democrat is president or vice versa.

199 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:16:28pm

The Wall Street Journal has a shutdown countdown clock on the front page. online.wsj.com

200 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:18:11pm

re: #194 MarkAM

Given her history, I think “screw up” is overly charitable.

I have to say that, being prone to paperwork screw ups myself, I am rather in sympathy with this woman. I’m familiar with the horrible sinking feeling in your gut when you realize you messed….it….up.

However, I still think she might want to try a different line of work. I did.

201 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:19:18pm

re: #197 JasonA

Gah! Take it back! Get an Atrix! Or an an Inspire!

WP7? I expect better of you.

It was a simple matter of economics. I wanted an iPhone4, but that was $200, and I’ve already hit my max for student loans until the summer. I could have just replaced my iPhone 3GS for $50, but for the same price, I could get a shiny new Samsung Focus with Windows on it. I figured I can use it for now then when the iPhone 5 comes out, switch back. It’s not that bad.

Besides, I got Windows 7 on my laptop for free. Literally. I logged into the school’s Microsoft web development database and downloaded it at no cost. Heh.

202 elizajane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:19:38pm

re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s a more than a little convenient, but that doesn’t really mean anything.

I might suggest that this lady go into some other department, though. PR. Something that doesn’t involve crunching numbers of votes in a highly accurate and above-board way.

This lady won’t need to make any sort of career switch. Having demonstrated massive incompetence at best, she will become a heroine of the Republican party.

Next time you hear of her she will have been appointed to some plum job in the Walker administration, or will be on a speaking tour, or running for elective office. She doesn’t seem like Dancing With the Stars material, but you never know.

203 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:19:50pm

re: #191 kirkspencer

I almost downdinged for this, except for the context. I still consider it the cornerstone of why I despise Reagan — and most of the tea party mentality that flows from it.

Yeah, I probably should have put a “/” below it, but I wasn’t thinking (story of my life). To this day, I don’t care much for his way of governance, but I do hold respect for Reagan as being a great public speaker.

204 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:20:14pm

Also? I have Fruit Ninja on my phone. With XBox Live achievements. Heh.

205 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:20:42pm

re: #201 Lidane

Have you tried an Android phone? They really are great.

206 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:21:19pm

re: #200 SanFranciscoZionist

I have to say that, being prone to paperwork screw ups myself, I am rather in sympathy with this woman. I’m familiar with the horrible sinking feeling in your gut when you realize you messed…it…up.

However, I still think she might want to try a different line of work. I did.

I’d have sympathy if she hadn’t done this in the past AND been told since then that the problem was likely to happen again. In other words, she knew of the problem and was given opportunities to prevent it.

No, I have no sympathy for her.

207 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:22:42pm

re: #205 JasonA

Have you tried an Android phone? They really are great.

Yeah. I tried them at the AT&T store and some of my classmates have Android phones. It’s another thought if I ever get sick of this little Samsung. Right now it’s still a shiny new toy, so I’m still in the love phase. That could well change as the shine wears off.

209 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:23:41pm

re: #208 JasonA

In other news…

Extreme Warming Forces Climate Scientists To Add Hot Pink To Temperature Map

///Yet more proof that AGW proponents are in bed with the homosexual agenda!

210 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:24:24pm

re: #206 kirkspencer

I’d have sympathy if she hadn’t done this in the past AND been told since then that the problem was likely to happen again. In other words, she knew of the problem and was given opportunities to prevent it.

No, I have no sympathy for her.

Agreed, this isn’t a rookie mistake, this is a pattern of stupidity. If you’re told that failure to act will result in major problems and you fail to act, you don’t get sympathy, you get a pink slip and a one-way ticket out the front door.

211 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:24:30pm

re: #207 Lidane

Yeah. I tried them at the AT&T store and some of my classmates have Android phones. It’s another thought if I ever get sick of this little Samsung. Right now it’s still a shiny new toy, so I’m still in the love phase. That could well change as the shine wears off.

Fair enough. I don’t hate the Focus, but Android is a lot more fun to play around with.

212 reidr  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:24:38pm

But… the Republican strategist on MSNBC just said that the Democrats are the ones willing to shut down the government over abortion! Oh, I’m so confused….

213 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:24:52pm

re: #208 JasonA

In other news…

Extreme Warming Forces Climate Scientists To Add Hot Pink To Temperature Map

And now the map looks absolutely fabulous!

/

214 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:26:59pm

re: #169 Obdicut

She’s incompetent and giving an incompetent explanation.

Never assume malice when stupidity will suffice.

And the reason why this woman is the one coming forward with the surprising result? Because she’s the fuck-up. We didn’t hear from anyone else because they didn’t fuck up.

I think you are probably right, and she’s just dumb. That county does lean heavily to the right, I have read, and produced results in past elections that are pretty consistent with these. So, the numbers themselves make sense.

Regardless, this person has been at the center of a number of fuck-ups. She shouldn’t have that kind of responsibility, and she sure as hell shouldn’t be keeping tallies on her personal computer, given that this isn’t the way the system operates elsewhere in the state. Her mistake casts doubt on the results of an election, and that is never a good thing.

215 elizajane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:28:54pm

Ben Smith says that a house staffer says that a member says that Boehner says that there will be a deal by the end of today.

politico.com

A rather long rumor trail but I still think it’s true.

216 reidr  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:29:39pm

In good news, the lefty talking head that was on opposite the Republican strategist (who was also a pro-life woman, so you know she’s unbiased!) called her out pretty well on her talking points and nonsense. Even got the last word in. Republican was very angry and flicking spittle everywhere.

217 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:30:07pm

re: #215 elizajane
I certainly hope so. I think these people need to review some history. Some history with Henry Clay in it.

218 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:30:15pm

re: #215 elizajane

Ben Smith says that a house staffer says that a member says that Boehner says that there will be a deal by the end of today.

[Link: www.politico.com…]

A rather long rumor trail but I still think it’s true.

Yeah, I think that one side is gonna buckle, though which one it’ll be is still hard to tell. The GOP has the most to lose, but the Dems in the past have been absolutely lousy at controlling the message in the press.

219 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:32:11pm

I would be willing to wager the Dems made major concessions, and agreed to slash funding for some desperately needed social program. I have zero faith in the DNC’s ability to stand up under pressure.

220 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:34:14pm

re: #219 Fozzie Bear

I would be willing to wager the Dems made major concessions, and agreed to slash funding for some desperately needed social program. I have zero faith in the DNC’s ability to stand up under pressure.

Yeah, that’s what I’m guessing is going to be the case. They’ll agree to some major cuts, in exchange for the “promise” that the riders will disappear and never return…only for them to come back in other “Must Pass” bills as the year goes on. “Victory” will be claimed due to NPR and PP being saved for today, but the reality is the GOP has gotten one set of cuts and know they can get more if they just keep the pressure on.

221 JRCMYP  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:34:27pm

re: #213 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And now the map looks absolutely fabulous!

/

Uh oh. I think that climate scientists have caught teh ghey.

222 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:34:40pm

re: #165 Fozzie Bear

There is a save function, but try to reproduce the behavior described in the DKos article. Can you enter data, close the program, and lose the data? It’s not working that way here. It seems like no matter what I do, the data is still there. I even tried a hard shutdown, and the data is still there. What gives?

It really depends if she was using a simply written Access application or some custom piece of Access software where the programmer is handling commits the database themselves.

If you simply create an Access table, and let Access design a data entry screen around that table, Access will also automatically include code that will write data directly to the table, almost in realtime, the actions you are describing above.

But if a programmer wants to control the data themselves, they can set up buffers and cursors where the data is stored (in memory so to speak), issue hard commits when the programmer wants the data to be flushed to the table and set up roll back points, so the data does not get written to the table and the table reverts back to a certain condition at a certain set point.

So, the answer to this question is more dependent on how Access was being used… a down and dirty data entry tool or as a full blow programmer designed application where the programmer coded in how the data is moved, from entry to a hard flush to the disk.

FYI.

223 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:34:58pm

re: #219 Fozzie Bear

I would be willing to wager the Dems made major concessions, and agreed to slash funding for some desperately needed social program. I have zero faith in the DNC’s ability to stand up under pressure.

Same here. If there’s a deal or a compromise now, it’s not because the GOP buckled.

224 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:35:56pm

re: #218 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, I think that one side is gonna buckle, though which one it’ll be is still hard to tell. The GOP has the most to lose, but the Dems in the past have been absolutely lousy at controlling the message in the press.

I hope so. The Republicans are never going to get their wish to abolish planned parenthood and the EPA. If they go through with a shutdown it’s going to be very difficult to back down.

225 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:36:19pm

re: #215 elizajane

Ben Smith says that a house staffer says that a member says that Boehner says that there will be a deal by the end of today.

[Link: www.politico.com…]

A rather long rumor trail but I still think it’s true.

Politico Headline:

Planned Parenthood’s fate in Harry Reid’s hands

226 Big Steve  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:37:10pm

re: #222 Walter L. Newton

Exactly….the data could have been entered on a front end form, designed by the programmer, so that non-access users could easily input data. That would also have a save function.

227 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:38:37pm

re: #222 Walter L. Newton

killjoy!

228 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:39:24pm

re: #222 Walter L. Newton

It really depends if she was using a simply written Access application or some custom piece of Access software where the programmer is handling commits the database themselves.

If you simply create an Access table, and let Access design a data entry screen around that table, Access will also automatically include code that will write data directly to the table, almost in realtime, the actions you are describing above.

But if a programmer wants to control the data themselves, they can set up buffers and cursors where the data is stored (in memory so to speak), issue hard commits when the programmer wants the data to be flushed to the table and set up roll back points, so the data does not get written to the table and the table reverts back to a certain condition at a certain set point.

So, the answer to this question is more dependent on how Access was being used… a down and dirty data entry tool or as a full blow programmer designed application where the programmer coded in how the data is moved, from entry to a hard flush to the disk.

FYI.

So in other words, she’d need to be running a specially modified version of Access in order to get the results she said she did?

Well that sort of thing should be fairly easy to check shouldn’t it…?

229 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:40:42pm

re: #224 Killgore Trout

I hope so. The Republicans are never going to get their wish to abolish planned parenthood and the EPA. If they go through with a shutdown it’s going to be very difficult to back down.

How do you negotiate with a suicidal hostage taker? That’s what these folks are, you know.

They have been told, and agree, that taking their demands will cause hundreds of thousands of jobs to be lost, that it will have a major negative hit to the economy, yet they still want their demands filled. If not filled they’re willing to destroy everyone anyway by ‘shutting it down’. “I get my way or we all die.”

They may or not be evil. They are, however, insane. And I have decided that I will work to defeat and destroy them.

This far. No further.

230 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:41:43pm

re: #222 Walter L. Newton

It really depends if she was using a simply written Access application or some custom piece of Access software where the programmer is handling commits the database themselves.

If you simply create an Access table, and let Access design a data entry screen around that table, Access will also automatically include code that will write data directly to the table, almost in realtime, the actions you are describing above.

But if a programmer wants to control the data themselves, they can set up buffers and cursors where the data is stored (in memory so to speak), issue hard commits when the programmer wants the data to be flushed to the table and set up roll back points, so the data does not get written to the table and the table reverts back to a certain condition at a certain set point.

So, the answer to this question is more dependent on how Access was being used… a down and dirty data entry tool or as a full blow programmer designed application where the programmer coded in how the data is moved, from entry to a hard flush to the disk.

FYI.

If she was using a custom app, which would have to be web-based because I can’t imagine that some (probably contract) programmer would install it on her personal laptop, then the data would either get saved to the server or it would be gone. It would not get mysteriously left on her laptop.

231 MarkAM  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:41:47pm

There will be an investigation before the election is certified…

reuters.com

re: #228 jamesfirecat

So in other words, she’d need to be running a specially modified version of Access in order to get the results she said she did?

Well that sort of thing should be fairly easy to check shouldn’t it…?

232 albusteve  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:42:11pm

re: #215 elizajane

Ben Smith says that a house staffer says that a member says that Boehner says that there will be a deal by the end of today.

[Link: www.politico.com…]

A rather long rumor trail but I still think it’s true.

gonna disappoint alot of people around here and all the expectation of a disaster

233 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:42:19pm

re: #222 Walter L. Newton

It really depends if she was using a simply written Access application or some custom piece of Access software where the programmer is handling commits the database themselves.

If you simply create an Access table, and let Access design a data entry screen around that table, Access will also automatically include code that will write data directly to the table, almost in realtime, the actions you are describing above.

But if a programmer wants to control the data themselves, they can set up buffers and cursors where the data is stored (in memory so to speak), issue hard commits when the programmer wants the data to be flushed to the table and set up roll back points, so the data does not get written to the table and the table reverts back to a certain condition at a certain set point.

So, the answer to this question is more dependent on how Access was being used… a down and dirty data entry tool or as a full blow programmer designed application where the programmer coded in how the data is moved, from entry to a hard flush to the disk.

FYI.

One article I recall said she was using Lotus, and that she was the only one in the office still using it. Don’t have it handy, could be mis-remembering it, but I thought I’d toss it into the discussion.

234 reidr  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:44:03pm

Isn’t the vast majority of America (i.e. the non-wingnuts) repulsed at the idea of defunding PP, EPA, WIC, etc.? Never mind the various spins on the budget struggle, just hearing that the House proposal includes those things should be enough to turn people against these ideological loons. Surely they’re mainstream, well-liked programs. Heck, throw SS and Medicare in there. What more do people need to know about the GOP’s intentions?

235 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:44:15pm

re: #229 kirkspencer

How do you negotiate with a suicidal hostage taker? That’s what these folks are, you know.

They have been told, and agree, that taking their demands will cause hundreds of thousands of jobs to be lost, that it will have a major negative hit to the economy, yet they still want their demands filled. If not filled they’re willing to destroy everyone anyway by ‘shutting it down’. “I get my way or we all die.”

They may or not be evil. They are, however, insane. And I have decided that I will work to defeat and destroy them.

This far. No further.

Except they already won once, when they pressured the Dems into extending the entirety of the Bush Tax Cuts, knowing that doing so would deny them of revenue needed down the road. When you’ve buckled under pressure once, it’s almost impossible not to do it again. Especially when the hostage taker keeps using the same tactic, every time, making your action or inaction responsible for the “death” of said hostage.

236 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:44:38pm

re: #233 kirkspencer

One article I recall said she was using Lotus, and that she was the only one in the office still using it. Don’t have it handy, could be mis-remembering it, but I thought I’d toss it into the discussion.

Lotus is still around? Really?

237 elizajane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:45:25pm

Great news: quietly, and without much fuss, the EPA riders on the budget bill have already been axed:

politico.com

I was wondering why there wasn’t an outcry about those, but perhaps it was exactly for that reason that compromise could be reached. The Planned Parenthood thing has raised such a stink that it’s made it hard for either side to “back down.”

Anyway, very good news about the EPA.

238 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:45:51pm

re: #231 MarkAM

There will be an investigation before the election is certified…

[Link: www.reuters.com…]

Unfortunately, due to her incompetence, an investigation is absolutely necessary. If there isn’t a thorough accounting of how this happened, people are going to flip out.

How in the hell you mess up at least three different elections and keep your job is beyond me.

239 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:46:59pm

re: #236 Lidane

Lotus is still around? Really?

That’s part of the point. She’s supposedly the only one still using it because it’s what she’s used to and she won’t change. The computer on which she’s using it is the only one of its type in the department.

240 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:47:58pm

re: #238 Fozzie Bear

Unfortunately, due to her incompetence, an investigation is absolutely necessary. If there isn’t a thorough accounting of how this happened, people are going to flip out.

How in the hell you mess up at least three different elections and keep your job is beyond me.

Being a party loyalist no doubt has something to do with it.

241 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:48:07pm

re: #234 reidr
Isn’t the vast majority of America (i.e. the non-wingnuts) repulsed at the idea

No,, a vast majority of America is repulsed at the idea of trillion dollar debts, skyrocketing prices, wars without end and tone deaf politicians of ALL stripes

Or didn’t you notice the election results from 2006, 2008 and 2010?

242 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:48:24pm

re: #240 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Being a party loyalist no doubt has something to do with it.

This reminds me of Katherine Harris.

243 reidr  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:48:25pm

re: #237 elizajane

That is good news. I’m still shocked that they proposed it in the first place and that there wasn’t more outrage about it (and many other things!).

244 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:49:22pm

re: #228 jamesfirecat

So in other words, she’d need to be running a specially modified version of Access in order to get the results she said she did?

Well that sort of thing should be fairly easy to check shouldn’t it…?

No James… Access is a database programming platform, with Visual Basic as the language behind the scenes. It has the ability to work in a full range of complexities, from very simple to a highly organized database management tool and language.

On the simply end, you create a table, tell Access to create a data entry form around the form, and there you have it, a screen (form) to add/deleted/modify data in a table. And Access will automatically take care of the data flow, including always saving data etc.

On the complex end, you can design and control everything that is happening in Access using the Visual Basic language and the form and report designer tools. You can control WHEN data is save, when data is deleted, when data is modified, when data is rolled back to a earlier version… in short, Access can be used (and it is) a professional database management programming platform.

Nothing special, nothing modified, the off the shelf Access does this.. I have worked for numerous middle sized firms, as an Access programmer, where the whole business is run on custom designed Access applications.

245 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:49:46pm

re: #244 Walter L. Newton

killjoy!

246 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:50:10pm

re: #240 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Being a party loyalist no doubt has something to do with it.

I always voted at my party’s call
And I never thought of thinking for myself at all.
—- He never thought of thinking for himself at all!
I thought so little they rewarded me
by making me the ruler of the Queen’s navy!

247 MarkAM  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:50:35pm

I’m not prepared to presume this was done in error, not only because of her past conduct but also because of how she handled the whole matter:

.According to 3 observers who attended the county vote canvass, the issue of 14,315 additional votes from Brookfield never came up in the room.
While it was hidden from the people in the room, others involved in the process, Charlie Sykes, a representative of the Wisconsin Policy Research Institute, National Review, and conservative bloggers had the story hours before it was announced.
· Kathy Nickolaus has a long history of questionable practices in vote counting. The issue of Nicklaus keeping records on her personal computer was central to the audit conducted on her last fall. Was the “human error” she is apologizing for her own personal error made on her personal computer? She has been repeatedly warned about the danger of that process and criticized for keeping information “secret” from even others with in her own office in the past.

I’m not accusing her of malfeasance, but it seems like a strong possibility.

citizenactionwi.org

re: #238 Fozzie Bear

Unfortunately, due to her incompetence, an investigation is absolutely necessary. If there isn’t a thorough accounting of how this happened, people are going to flip out.

How in the hell you mess up at least three different elections and keep your job is beyond me.

248 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:51:15pm

re: #235 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Except they already won once, when they pressured the Dems into extending the entirety of the Bush Tax Cuts, knowing that doing so would deny them of revenue needed down the road. When you’ve buckled under pressure once, it’s almost impossible not to do it again. Especially when the hostage taker keeps using the same tactic, every time, making your action or inaction responsible for the “death” of said hostage.

Reread what I said. I did not say “they” should stop them or “we” should stop them.

I, personally, am taking a stand. I do not know if I will be successful, but I pledge that I will stand against them; to stop them if it be within my power to do so.

249 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:51:16pm

Well, whatever happened, I think it’s not at all unreasonable to expect that a person who has fucked up three elections isn’t going to be given a chance to fuck up a fourth. That’s not too much to ask, is it?

250 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:52:16pm

re: #230 Alouette

If she was using a custom app, which would have to be web-based because I can’t imagine that some (probably contract) programmer would install it on her personal laptop, then the data would either get saved to the server or it would be gone. It would not get mysteriously left on her laptop.

Why would it have to be web based. When I worked at the National Renewable Energy Lab, many of our scientist had stand alone custom written Access applications on their desktop computers… not web based, not networked applications, plain old stand alone executables.

I don’t know what she had, what degree of complexity or lack of complexity that her Access “what ever” was? I am simply describing the various aspects of Access.

I have no idea what she was running.

251 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:53:05pm

re: #244 Walter L. Newton

No James… Access is a database programming platform, with Visual Basic as the language behind the scenes. It has the ability to work in a full range of complexities, from very simple to a highly organized database management tool and language.

On the simply end, you create a table, tell Access to create a data entry form around the form, and there you have it, a screen (form) to add/deleted/modify data in a table. And Access will automatically take care of the data flow, including always saving data etc.

On the complex end, you can design and control everything that is happening in Access using the Visual Basic language and the form and report designer tools. You can control WHEN data is save, when data is deleted, when data is modified, when data is rolled back to a earlier version… in short, Access can be used (and it is) a professional database management programming platform.

Nothing special, nothing modified, the off the shelf Access does this.. I have worked for numerous middle sized firms, as an Access programmer, where the whole business is run on custom designed Access applications.

Thank you for clarifying my ignorance.

The point that I was trying to suggest (and failing at) was that if she was making those modifications to the access table then we should be able to ask her about them and how she went about setting up the table.

I’m speaking with partisan blinders/a partisan eye patch on here, but setting up the kind of database that you need to save non automatically doesn’t happen bu accident correct?

252 reidr  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:53:41pm

re: #241 sattv4u2

Isn’t the vast majority of America (i.e. the non-wingnuts) repulsed at the idea

No,, a vast majority of America is repulsed at the idea of trillion dollar debts, skyrocketing prices, wars without end and tone deaf politicians of ALL stripes

Or didn’t you notice the election results from 2006, 2008 and 2010?

Oh horsecrap about the debt. People are repulsed at trillion dollar debts when it’s pounded into them that it’s such a big, scary number and that we’re broke, broke I say! I’m sure people are a heck of a lot more concerned with big brown smog clouds, not being able to feed their children, lack of health care, etc. when the line is connected between cutting the budget to the bone and its net effects. Especially when these vital programs are pocket change in the bigger picture.

Citing election results only tells me that people are flaky and that politics works.

253 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:53:48pm

re: #250 Walter L. Newton

I’m sure in a few days we will know more about what happened, how it happened, and why it happened.

254 albusteve  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:54:21pm

re: #249 Fozzie Bear

Well, whatever happened, I think it’s not at all unreasonable to expect that a person who has fucked up three elections isn’t going to be given a chance to fuck up a fourth. That’s not too much to ask, is it?

must be a union position, all I can figure

255 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:54:35pm

re: #233 kirkspencer

One article I recall said she was using Lotus, and that she was the only one in the office still using it. Don’t have it handy, could be mis-remembering it, but I thought I’d toss it into the discussion.

Well, if she was using Lotus, then this has nothing to do with Access, since Lotus is a spreadsheet.

I’m only describing what Access can and can’t do, it’s simple down and dirty capabilities and it’s high level capabilities as a professional database management programming platform. I don’t know anything more about what she was running. I was only giving FYI.

256 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:55:17pm
“While nothing will be decided until everything is decided, the largest issue is still spending cuts,” said Boehner spokesman Michael Steel in a statement Friday morning. “The American people want to cut spending to help the private sector create jobs - and the Democrats that run Washington don’t.”

Who do these assholes think they’re kidding?

Oh wait. Their base. Their base will lap this shit up and claim it’s chocolate.

257 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:55:55pm

re: #255 Walter L. Newton

Well, if she was using Lotus, then this has nothing to do with Access, since Lotus is a spreadsheet.

I’m only describing what Access can and can’t do, it’s simple down and dirty capabilities and it’s high level capabilities as a professional database management programming platform. I don’t know anything more about what she was running. I was only giving FYI.

Acknowledged and agreed. I was also doing FYI.

258 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:55:56pm

re: #254 albusteve

must be a union position, all I can figure

I’m pretty sure unions don’t exist for appointed or elected positions of this kind.

259 albusteve  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:55:59pm

re: #252 reidr

Oh horsecrap about the debt. People are repulsed at trillion dollar debts when it’s pounded into them that it’s such a big, scary number and that we’re broke, broke I say! I’m sure people are a heck of a lot more concerned with big brown smog clouds, not being able to feed their children, lack of health care, etc. when the line is connected between cutting the budget to the bone and its net effects. Especially when these vital programs are pocket change in the bigger picture.

Citing election results only tells me that people are flaky and that politics works.

“horescrap about the debt” is how we got into this mess to begin with

260 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:57:15pm

re: #251 jamesfirecat

Thank you for clarifying my ignorance.

The point that I was trying to suggest (and failing at) was that if she was making those modifications to the access table then we should be able to ask her about them and how she went about setting up the table.

I’m speaking with partisan blinders/a partisan eye patch on here, but setting up the kind of database that you need to save non automatically doesn’t happen bu accident correct?

Well of course not, writing a complicated application in Access usually take the skill of a well-heeled programmer.

I’m only describing the capabilities of Access, not what she was or wasn’t doing, not whether she designed this table and data entry herself or there was some IT person involved, I’m just stating some facts about Access.

Ask her what she was doing… not me.

261 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:57:16pm

re: #252 reidr

Oh horsecrap about the debt.

Yeah ,, a trillion here, a trillion there

It’s not like it’s REAL money

262 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:57:31pm

re: #259 albusteve

“horescrap about the debt” is how we got into this mess to begin with

Indeed. Unfortunately, the GOP pretty much took this position (“horsecrap about the debt”) when they started wars on two fronts and simultaneously slashed taxes. Funny how they suddenly give a shit about it.

263 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:58:03pm

re: #256 Romantic Heretic

Who do these assholes think they’re kidding?

Oh wait. Their base. Their base will lap this shit up and claim it’s chocolate.

How does cutting spending make a private company hire more people?

264 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:58:58pm

re: #262 Fozzie Bear

Indeed. Unfortunately, the GOP pretty much took this position (“horsecrap about the debt”) when they started wars on two fronts and simultaneously slashed taxes. Funny how they suddenly give a shit about it.

You mean the like the same two shits that Obama “I’m going to cut the deficit in half by the end of my first term” gave? Haven’t seen that yet, ducky.

265 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:59:15pm

Abortion Riders Prove Effective Wedge For Democrats in Government Shutdown Fight

A growing number of pro-life Republicans and conservative activists are publicly pressuring Boehner to drop the issue. Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK), known as one of the toughest social conservatives in Congress, told MSNBC’s Dylan Ratigan on April 6 that they were unrealistic demands.

“My recommendation to my friends in the House is, you know, it’s highly unlikely many riders are going to get passed with a Democrat president and Democrat Senate, so why don’t you take the spending and let’s get on to the budget,” he said.

Sen. Pat Toomey (R-PA) another pro-life conservative echoed his call on MSNBC Thursday, saying the GOP should “move on.”

266 albusteve  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:59:20pm

re: #262 Fozzie Bear

Indeed. Unfortunately, the GOP pretty much took this position (“horsecrap about the debt”) when they started wars on two fronts and simultaneously slashed taxes. Funny how they suddenly give a shit about it.

I’m completely and totally burned out on your partisanship….yawn

267 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:59:35pm

re: #264 Walter L. Newton

You mean the like the same two shits that Obama “I’m going to cut the deficit in half by the end of my first term” gave? Haven’t seen that yet, ducky.

Now now,, we have a ways to go before the end of the 1st of his many terms!

268 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:59:42pm

re: #263 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How does cutting spending make a private company hire more people?

////You can’t make a private company hire more people you can only create a business friendly environment, say by getting rid of the environmental protection agency….

269 reidr  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:59:43pm

re: #259 albusteve

“horescrap about the debt” is how we got into this mess to begin with

Sorry, just paraphrasing Cheney there.

The debt is being used as an excuse to cut all sorts of popular, useful government prorgams. It’s a GOP blank check/wet dream. The sad irony is that the bulk of the debt was caused by the GOP. If it was a grand plan, it’s genius. Too bad about all of the people that will suffer as a result.

270 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 12:59:52pm

re: #263 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How does cutting spending make a private company hire more people?

they had to cut spending because revenue is down because they cut taxes because they said the government was too big because the government is hurting business because revenue is down because they cut taxes because they said the government was too big because the government is hurting business because revenue is down because they cut taxes because they said the government was too big because the government is hurting business because revenue is down because they cut taxes because they said the government was too big because the government is hurting business because revenue is down because they cut taxes because they said the government was too big because the government is hurting business because revenue is down because they cut taxes because they said the government was too big because the government is hurting business because revenue is down because they cut taxes because they said the government was too big because the government is hurting business because revenue is down because they cut taxes because they said the government was too big because the government is hurting business because revenue is down because they cut taxes because they said the government was too big because the government is hurting business because revenue is down because they cut taxes because they said the government was too big because the government is hurting business because revenue is down because they cut taxes because they said the government was too big because the government is hurting business because revenue is down because they cut taxes because they said the government was too big because the government is hurting business …

271 albusteve  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:00:36pm

re: #269 reidr

Sorry, just paraphrasing Cheney there.

The debt is being used as an excuse to cut all sorts of popular, useful government prorgams. It’s a GOP blank check/wet dream. The sad irony is that the bulk of the debt was caused by the GOP. If it was a grand plan, it’s genius. Too bad about all of the people that will suffer as a result.

really?

272 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:00:38pm

re: #261 sattv4u2


Oh horsecrap about the debt.

Yeah ,, a trillion here, a trillion there

It’s not like it’s REAL money

Deficits don’t matter.

Where did I hear that…?

273 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:00:52pm

re: #266 albusteve

I’m completely and totally burned out on your partisanship…yawn

When basic facts become partisan, we are all in serious trouble. These are basic facts.

274 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:00:57pm

Also, this is hilarious:

GOP Freshman Allen West Slams Republicans For Exploiting Troops in Shutdown Fight

275 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:01:07pm

re: #270 Fozzie Bear

My God, he’s gone plaid.

276 reidr  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:02:24pm

re: #261 sattv4u2


Oh horsecrap about the debt.

Yeah ,, a trillion here, a trillion there

It’s not like it’s REAL money

Nice of you to ignore the bulk of my post. Tell you what, count up the budgets of PP, EPA, and WIC and tell me how many trillions it adds up to. Then count the trillions lost to tax cuts for the wealthy, wars, and DOD. Says a lot about the GOP agenda.

277 albusteve  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:02:33pm

re: #273 Fozzie Bear

When basic facts become partisan, we are all in serious trouble. These are basic facts.

if we are not in serious trouble yet, then what’s all the fuss about?….you folks have your brass ring, so jerk it

278 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:02:37pm

re: #169 Obdicut

She’s incompetent and giving an incompetent explanation.

Never assume malice when stupidity will suffice.

And the reason why this woman is the one coming forward with the surprising result? Because she’s the fuck-up. We didn’t hear from anyone else because they didn’t fuck up.

This.

I used to work for the State Elections Board. I saw 10 years of elections up close and personal. While this result is not what I’d like to see, this isn’t even close to the worst election I’ve seen. Bush/Gore may not have gotten as much press up here but it was nasty messy too.

This isn’t the first or only utterly incompetent county clerk in the 72 counties of Wisconsin. The system will proceed with or without competency…

279 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:02:41pm

re: #272 JasonA

Deficits don’t matter.

Where did I hear that…?

Not in a healthy economy where you can control it

280 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:02:42pm

re: #269 reidr

Sorry, just paraphrasing Cheney there.

The debt is being used as an excuse to cut all sorts of popular, useful government prorgams. It’s a GOP blank check/wet dream. The sad irony is that the bulk of the debt was caused by the GOP. If it was a grand plan, it’s genius. Too bad about all of the people that will suffer as a result.

Agreed. If it was about the debt, spending, the economy or jobs negotiations wouldn’t be hung up over NPR and Planned Parenthood. They might be serious about the shut down or they might just be putting on a show and creating drama to excite the wingnuts. We’ll know soon enough.

281 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:02:52pm

re: #265 Lidane

Abortion Riders Prove Effective Wedge For Democrats in Government Shutdown Fight

This is why I think we’ll see a deal before day’s end, because the GOP has already gotten agreements to cuts, dropping the riders for another day is just a way of assuring those cuts get through.

282 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:03:08pm

re: #277 albusteve

if we are not in serious trouble yet, then what’s all the fuss about?…you folks have your brass ring, so jerk it

The government shutting down and laying off 800k people isn’t “serious trouble” to you?

283 moderatelyradicalliberal  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:03:22pm

re: #263 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How does cutting spending make a private company hire more people?

If there is no increase in demand for their products, nothing will make companies hire more people. This is why tax cuts for the rich won’t create jobs either. But hey the modern GOP exists to do four things: cut taxes for rich people, gut the social safety net for everyone else, regulate what people (especially women) should do with their private parts, and stoke the fears of older white Americans about changing demographics. And you can’t expect them to abandon their core principles and reasons for existence.

284 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:04:14pm

re: #283 moderatelyradicalliberal

But hey the modern GOP exists to do four things: cut taxes for rich people, gut the social safety net for everyone else, regulate what people (especially women) should do with their private parts, and stoke the fears of older white Americans about changing demographics.

Quoted for truth.

285 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:04:57pm

re: #274 Lidane

Also, this is hilarious:

GOP Freshman Allen West Slams Republicans For Exploiting Troops in Shutdown Fight

I agree with him….

“The House Majority has now placed the funding for the Department of Defense and the funding for the troops down as a bargaining chip,” West said. “In the last 100 days, the House Majority could have passed at any point in time a separate stand alone Appropriations for the Department of Defense and the funding for our men and women in uniform.”


If the Republicans are serious about a shut down this is a very shitty thing to do.

286 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:05:05pm

re: #233 kirkspencer

One article I recall said she was using Lotus, and that she was the only one in the office still using it. Don’t have it handy, could be mis-remembering it, but I thought I’d toss it into the discussion.

Aaaand, a correction. I have since found her specific statement that it was Microsoft Access. However, I also found this:

Because some of her equipment is so dated - such as an 11-year-old modem for transmitting data over the telephone and 1995 software no longer supported - and is not routinely getting security updates, her election systems are not connected to the county’s system but are on stand-alone equipment. [ from jsonline.com ]

Which leads me to think it’s Windows 95 and an older version of Access - still powerful, but not as powerful as more modern versions.

287 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:05:12pm

re: #282 Fozzie Bear

The government shutting down and laying off 800k people isn’t “serious trouble” to you?

umm,,, errr,,, nobody will be “laid off”

IF there is a shutdown they will be furloughed, and as soon as an agreement is reached will be back at work paid retroactively

Lets see,,, don’t go to work and STILL get paid,, My company tells me thats a vacation!

288 engineer cat  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:06:01pm

The American people want to cut spending to help the private

i’m an american person too and i don’t agree with you

quit using mah name or mah attorney will take actions, weepy

289 albusteve  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:06:33pm

re: #282 Fozzie Bear

The government shutting down and laying off 800k people isn’t “serious trouble” to you?

not in the least…I don’t trump up trouble, or even look for it….what’s the big deal anyway?….somebody not gonna get paid on time?….it’s far more symbolic than practical, but if you want to become unglued, be my guest….and it has not even happened yet, maybe the best part of this showdown

290 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:06:39pm

re: #283 moderatelyradicalliberal

This is the part that I hope people are slowly waking up to. Money held more and more by one small fraction of society will slow, and eventually, kill the economy.

A woman getting food stamps spends that money in the domestic economy and it immediately starts traveling around. it is one of the best possible uses of government money.

And yet people call it an ‘entitlement’ and then everyone becomes convinced it’s all very expensive and insupportable.

291 simoom  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:06:52pm

re: #225 Stanley Sea

Politico Headline:

Planned Parenthood’s fate in Harry Reid’s hands

What’s irritating about that is the House had so many other silly policy riders (dozens and dozens) in H.R.1, but the press seems to only focus on Planned Parenthood.

Here’s a small sampling:
ombwatch.org

292 moderatelyradicalliberal  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:07:13pm

re: #269 reidr

Sorry, just paraphrasing Cheney there.

The debt is being used as an excuse to cut all sorts of popular, useful government prorgams. It’s a GOP blank check/wet dream. The sad irony is that the bulk of the debt was caused by the GOP. If it was a grand plan, it’s genius. Too bad about all of the people that will suffer as a result.

I don’t know why anyone would be in denial about this fact. This has always been the plan. They call it “starve the beast”. Anyone who halfway pays attention to politics knows this. It’s not partisanship to say so, it’s the conservative movement’s stated goal.

293 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:07:50pm

re: #285 Killgore Trout

If the Republicans are serious about a shut down this is a very shitty thing to do.

Oh, I’m not saying he’s wrong. Stopped clocks, and all that— he happens to be right on this issue. I just think it’s funny that he’s going after his own party on this fight. That’s all.

294 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:07:53pm

re: #287 sattv4u2

umm,,, errr,,, nobody will be “laid off”

IF there is a shutdown they will be furloughed, and as soon as an agreement is reached will be back at work paid retroactively

Lets see,,, don’t go to work and STILL get paid,, My company tells me thats a vacation!

Do you honestly think the work they would normally be doing during this time will do itself? They will have to pay back pay, and pay overtime to catch up on the backlog. Meanwhile, these employees will not be paid (retroactively) until the government is back up and running. So, not only will this increase the cost of government, but it will interrupt services for millions of people, and the pay for hundreds of thousands for an indefinite period of time.

Shutting the government down increases the cost of government, because the work these agencies do has to be done, late or not. Do you understand this?

295 reidr  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:08:15pm

re: #271 albusteve

really?

Yes. You disagree? (Maybe I shouldn’t ask.)

296 charlz  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:08:28pm

re: #287 sattv4u2

IF there is a shutdown they will be furloughed, and as soon as an agreement is reached will be back at work paid retroactively

Retroactive pay will require a vote when the shutdown ends. There’s no guarantee that it will be enacted and may indeed be the next big fight.

297 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:08:41pm

re: #287 sattv4u2

umm,,, errr,,, nobody will be “laid off”

IF there is a shutdown they will be furloughed, and as soon as an agreement is reached will be back at work paid retroactively

Lets see,,, don’t go to work and STILL get paid,, My company tells me thats a vacation!

Yeah. Because all the troops that are currently at war are just on vacation.

298 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:08:44pm

re: #287 sattv4u2

umm,,, errr,,, nobody will be “laid off”

IF there is a shutdown they will be furloughed, and as soon as an agreement is reached will be back at work paid retroactively

Lets see,,, don’t go to work and STILL get paid,, My company tells me thats a vacation!

Just for the record, there is no guarantee those furloughed will get paid retroactively. It happened last time, there’s no promise for this time. Equally worth noting is that contractors working for the government did NOT get paid for the furlough time last time.

The only people getting promises of payment are those being made to work anyway. Work now, pay when the money’s in.

299 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:08:46pm

re: #294 Fozzie Bear

Do you honestly think the work they would normally be doing during this time will do itself

Thats not what your point was

You stated they were getting laid off!

but nice try

300 albusteve  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:09:23pm

re: #295 reidr

Yes. You disagree? (Maybe I shouldn’t ask.)

you’ve been stating what’s been obvious here for long months

301 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:09:25pm

re: #287 sattv4u2

umm,,, errr,,, nobody will be “laid off”

IF there is a shutdown they will be furloughed, and as soon as an agreement is reached will be back at work paid retroactively

Lets see,,, don’t go to work and STILL get paid,, My company tells me thats a vacation!

Your company stops paying you during your vacation? You should call the Department of Labor about that.

Oops…

302 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:09:51pm

re: #286 kirkspencer

Aaaand, a correction. I have since found her specific statement that it was Microsoft Access. However, I also found this:

Which leads me to think it’s Windows 95 and an older version of Access - still powerful, but not as powerful as more modern versions.

It also sounds like the application (“election systems”) are not end user created, but custom designed apps.

And why do you assume Windows 95? 11 years old could include 95, 98, 98SP2, Windows for Workgroups, and even possibly Windows 2000.

And almost anything written in Access for the last 15 years can be run on any version of Windows up to XP.

303 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:10:05pm

re: #289 albusteve

…what’s the big deal anyway?…somebody not gonna get paid on time?

Troops on the battlefield won;t be paid and worried that their families back home will be facing evictions and utilities shut off. Widows of servicemen who died in the line of duty won’t be receiving life insurance benefits. I know you don’t think that’s a big deal but many of us think differently.

304 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:10:13pm

re: #299 sattv4u2

Do you honestly think the work they would normally be doing during this time will do itself

Thats not what your point was

You stated they were getting laid off!

but nice try

They will in fact lost their jobs for an indefinite period of time. Is there another word you would care to substitute for the term “laid off” that has a substantively different meaning?

Seriously, I’m amazed at wingnuts, because it doesn’t matter how little sense what they say is making, they just double down. Every time. No matter what.

305 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:10:32pm

re: #296 charlz

Retroactive pay will require a vote when the shutdown ends. There’s no guarantee that it will be enacted and may indeed be the next big fight.

Ayep, I can see the GOP now: “Why should we pay these people if they were not working? A private business doesn’t pay you for days off, so why should the government?”

306 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:11:22pm

re: #304 Fozzie Bear

Well, actually, furloughed is a more accurate word. They won’t be laid off.

307 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:11:30pm

re: #305 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Ayep, I can see the GOP now: “Why should we pay these people if they were not working? A private business doesn’t pay you for days off, so why should the government?”

It’s like an infinitely recursive loop of stupid.

308 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:11:59pm

Navy Federal to Advance Direct Deposit Pay for Active Duty Military Members

Navy Federal Credit Union, the world’s largest credit union, announced its plans today for supporting its members in the event of a possible government shutdown as of midnight April 8.

“We’re hopeful that Congress and the White House will come to an agreement to avoid a shutdown,” said Cutler Dawson, Navy Federal President and CEO. “At the same time, we want to support our members—especially our active duty military members—through this potentially challenging time. We want to ensure, to the extent possible, that our military families do not suffer financially in the wake of a political impasse.” Dawson went on to list steps Navy Federal is taking.

One major initiative is to cover the April 15 payroll for those active duty members who have their direct deposit of pay at Navy Federal. “By covering the mid-month pay, come April 15 our active duty members will not see a difference in their direct deposit amount, as if there were no shutdown,” added Dawson.

309 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:12:19pm

re: #304 Fozzie Bear

Is there another word you would care to substitute for the term “laid off” that has a substantively different meaning?

I already told you what the applicable word is

FURLOUGH

310 charlz  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:12:34pm

re: #298 kirkspencer

The only people getting promises of payment are those being made to work anyway. Work now, pay when the money’s in.

Just for accuracy’s sake, there are no promises being made to that effect. Excepted employees are expected to work without pay, period.

311 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:12:41pm

re: #302 Walter L. Newton

It also sounds like the application (“election systems”) are not end user created, but custom designed apps.

And why do you assume Windows 95? 11 years old could include 95, 98, 98SP2, Windows for Workgroups, and even possibly Windows 2000.

And almost anything written in Access for the last 15 years can be run on any version of Windows up to XP.

“1995 software no longer supported” is in the article. That leads me to Win95, Win3.1, or earlier.

312 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:13:27pm

re: #306 Obdicut

Well, actually, furloughed is a more accurate word. They won’t be laid off.

There must be stars aligned that haven’t been in eons!!

:)

//

re: #309 sattv4u2

Is there another word you would care to substitute for the term “laid off” that has a substantively different meaning?

I already told you what the applicable word is

FURLOUGH

313 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:13:30pm

re: #306 Obdicut

Well, actually, furloughed is a more accurate word. They won’t be laid off.

Well, regardless, they will lose their jobs, and may or may not be paid for the time they lose, and will no doubt have to catch up, which will require overtime pay to accomplish.

I acquiesce to the term “furlough”, based on the assumption that they will be paid for the time missed, and that they will be re-hired.

314 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:13:35pm

re: #286 kirkspencer

Aaaand, a correction. I have since found her specific statement that it was Microsoft Access. However, I also found this:

Which leads me to think it’s Windows 95 and an older version of Access - still powerful, but not as powerful as more modern versions.

Dial up!

315 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:13:42pm

re: #308 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Navy Federal to Advance Direct Deposit Pay for Active Duty Military Members

Wow. Can they afford that? That’s a lot of money.

316 albusteve  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:13:42pm

re: #303 Killgore Trout

Troops on the battlefield won;t be paid and worried that their families back home will be facing evictions and utilities shut off. Widows of servicemen who died in the line of duty won’t be receiving life insurance benefits. I know you don’t think that’s a big deal but many of us think differently.

they can pass a rider….anything is possible if it becomes a matter of saving your neck, but we continue to elect people that hurt govt hence the country…I care about us, I just don’t care about them…nobody bills the fucking pols, they bill us

317 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:15:33pm

re: #315 Killgore Trout

Wow. Can they afford that? That’s a lot of money.

Well, its for Active Duty, and they’ll be sure to bill the Government to pay for the it.

318 albusteve  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:16:02pm

re: #307 Fozzie Bear

It’s like an infinitely recursive loop of stupid.

when did the troops not get paid?…are you playing make believe?

319 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:17:10pm

OK, enough.

mmfa Media Matters

Rush On Woman Concerned About Access To Birth Control: “We Are Supposed To Pay” If She “Did Not Close Her Legs” mm4a.org #p2

320 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:17:21pm

re: #318 albusteve

when did the troops not get paid?…are you playing make believe?

It’s speculation regarding future occurrences, and snark, Steve.

321 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:17:34pm

re: #311 kirkspencer

“1995 software no longer supported” is in the article. That leads me to Win95, Win3.1, or earlier.

Gotcha… that in itself is stupid. I’ve come across some legacy software and applications in my days, but anyone that is still running any application on 95 or 3.1 may as well be running a Vic-20 (nothing against a Vic-20, I cut my programming teeth on a Vic-20).

That’s absurd.

322 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:17:59pm

The reality is that the only government employees assured of being paid if a shutdown happens are the troops and those who cannot or will not be furloughed for the duration. Everybody else has to rely upon the government’s good graces, and even then there’s going to be a lot of contractors who might as well make peace with the fact that that’s revenue they’ve lost for the year.

323 moderatelyradicalliberal  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:18:00pm

re: #284 Lidane

Quoted for truth.

If the Democrats were smart and could stay on message (Big “if”, I know) they would run on this. The only difference between “reasonable and sane” Republicans like Ryan, Pawlenty and Romeny and the “crazy” Republicans like Bachmann, Palin and Gingrich is that they aren’t playing the birther/Kenyan stuff. Aside from that, they all want the same things. They agree on 95% of what the modern conservative movement stands for. President Obama needs to make clear that even if his eventual opponent isn’t a birther, their ideas are terrible for most Americans. Tax cuts for the rich and a gutted social safety net for everyone else. There is no daylight between any of them on what matters most.

324 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:18:09pm

re: #319 Stanley Sea

OK, enough.

mmfa Media Matters

Rush On Woman Concerned About Access To Birth Control: “We Are Supposed To Pay” If She “Did Not Close Her Legs” [Link: mm4a.org…] #p2

Why does someone who hates women so much marry so many of them?

325 albusteve  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:18:22pm

re: #320 Fozzie Bear

It’s speculation regarding future occurrences, and snark, Steve.

you have no clue what’s going to happen, but your an expert at predicting it

326 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:18:25pm

re: #319 Stanley Sea

OK, enough.

mmfa Media Matters

Rush On Woman Concerned About Access To Birth Control: “We Are Supposed To Pay” If She “Did Not Close Her Legs” [Link: mm4a.org…] #p2

What a douchebag.

327 albusteve  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:19:20pm

re: #322 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The reality is that the only government employees assured of being paid if a shutdown happens are the troops and those who cannot or will not be furloughed for the duration. Everybody else has to rely upon the government’s good graces, and even then there’s going to be a lot of contractors who might as well make peace with the fact that that’s revenue they’ve lost for the year.

no, the troops will not get paid…it was just posted

328 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:19:24pm

re: #319 Stanley Sea

OK, enough.

mmfa Media Matters

Rush On Woman Concerned About Access To Birth Control: “We Are Supposed To Pay” If She “Did Not Close Her Legs” [Link: mm4a.org…] #p2

Misogyny seems to be the order of the day. How grand. *rolls eyes*

329 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:19:31pm

re: #325 albusteve

you have no clue what’s going to happen, but your an expert at predicting it

Steve… It was a joke. I don’t believe infinite recursion can work in government. Ok?

330 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:19:52pm

re: #326 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What a douchebag.

He also compared Obama to Jefferson Davis saying that the troops would be equivalent to “slaves” if they had to work without pay.

washingtonmonthly.com

Dog bites man as far as Rush is concerned sadly…

331 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:20:15pm

re: #320 Fozzie Bear

lemme see here

You downding # 312 for me telling Obdicut that he and I agree about something!!

Makes sense to me !!

332 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:20:32pm

GOP Teabagger now on CNN, insisting that Planned Parenthood does use federal funds for abortion.

This is apparently all over the right wing sites and Fox News — they’re actually putting out a BLATANT LIE, because all these people know damned well that PP is forbidden by law from doing this.

333 moderatelyradicalliberal  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:20:43pm

re: #319 Stanley Sea

OK, enough.

mmfa Media Matters

Rush On Woman Concerned About Access To Birth Control: “We Are Supposed To Pay” If She “Did Not Close Her Legs” [Link: mm4a.org…] #p2

And the GOP is diligently working to gut PP and the social safety net so they won’t have to take care of birth control for women or the babies they have. See, it’s perfect.

334 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:20:51pm

re: #331 sattv4u2

lemme see here

You downding # 312 for me telling Obdicut that he and I agree about something!!

Makes sense to me !!

Complaining about downdings merits downdings.

336 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:21:06pm

re: #327 albusteve

no, the troops will not get paid…it was just posted

They’ll get paid when the shutdown ends, the government will have no choice. As will, likely, most of those employees who were not furloughed for the duration. But everybody else better cross their fingers and hope that they hit the government lottery, cause otherwise they’re fraked.

337 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:21:23pm

I’m considering marketing a pair of designers scissors as an alternative form of birth control. That way, men will have a reason to keep their legs closed as well.

338 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:21:39pm

re: #323 moderatelyradicalliberal

If the Democrats were smart and could stay on message (Big “if”, I know) they would run on this.

Democrats staying on message? LOL forever. Not gonna happen. Ever.

Thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster that Obama had a hell of a ground game that even ran circles around the vaunted Clinton machine. I hope he has just as good of a game in 2012. I hope they’re smart enough to not leave anything to chance.

339 albusteve  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:21:57pm

re: #336 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

They’ll get paid when the shutdown ends, the government will have no choice. As will, likely, most of those employees who were not furloughed for the duration. But everybody else better cross their fingers and hope that they hit the government lottery, cause otherwise they’re fraked.

after the fact loses it’s shock value doesn’t it?

340 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:22:20pm

re: #326 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What a douchebag.

I’m sorry I even posted it, I feel so ill.

341 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:22:30pm

re: #332 Charles

GOP Teabagger now on CNN, insisting that Planned Parenthood does use federal funds for abortion.

This is apparently all over the right wing sites and Fox News — they’re actually putting out a BLATANT LIE, because all these people know damned well that PP is forbidden by law from doing this.

They’re banking on Average Joe Sixpack not knowing anything more than the media tells him. I’m pretty sure that if I went down to the local corner and asked everybody that came by if they know what the “Hyde Amendment” does and why it’s so important, 9 out of 10 would have no clue what I’m talking about.

342 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:22:48pm

re: #334 Fozzie Bear

Complaining about downdings merits downdings.

Was an observation, not a complait

Downding away!

343 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:23:06pm

re: #332 Charles

GOP Teabagger now on CNN, insisting that Planned Parenthood does use federal funds for abortion.

This is apparently all over the right wing sites and Fox News — they’re actually putting out a BLATANT LIE, because all these people know damned well that PP is forbidden by law from doing this.

They no doubt have full confidence that none of the talking heads on CNN will fact-check that claim.

344 albusteve  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:23:15pm

re: #342 sattv4u2

Was an observation, not a complait

Downding away!

save some for me!

345 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:23:37pm

re: #344 albusteve

save some for me!

You get plenty of your own!

346 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:23:48pm

BBIAB

347 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:23:48pm

re: #343 Fozzie Bear

They no doubt have full confidence that none of the talking heads on CNN will fact-check that claim.

Nah, CNN anchors have been hammering that all day, actually. Gotta give them a little credit.

348 moderatelyradicalliberal  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:24:04pm

re: #338 Lidane

Democrats staying on message? LOL forever. Not gonna happen. Ever.

Thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster that Obama had a hell of a ground game that even ran circles around the vaunted Clinton machine. I hope he has just as good of a game in 2012. I hope they’re smart enough to not leave anything to chance.

I don’t think they will. But good Lord the Democrats couldn’t stay on message if it was glued and nailed to them. And the worst part is they wouldn’t even have to lie they could just tell the truth about the modern GOP. Just those four things need to be repeated over and over again.

349 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:25:44pm

re: #348 moderatelyradicalliberal

I don’t think they will. But good Lord the Democrats couldn’t stay on message if it was glued and nailed to them. And the worst part is they wouldn’t even have to lie they could just tell the truth about the modern GOP. Just those four things need to be repeated over and over again.

The DNC is so notorious for lacking cohesion and discipline. It’s sad, really. So many times in my life I have seen them fail to take obvious political opportunities and run with them. It’s so frustrating to watch.

350 moderatelyradicalliberal  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:25:50pm

re: #343 Fozzie Bear

They no doubt have full confidence that none of the talking heads on CNN will fact-check that claim.

And here lies the problem. Liberal media my ass. GOPers could declare that the Earth is flat and they would get no push back from the MSM.

351 albusteve  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:26:30pm

if it wasn’t for the GOP, the govt could express itself as the efficient, well oiled machine that has brought us so much recent prosperity….so pass the bong

352 albusteve  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:27:24pm

re: #345 sattv4u2

You get plenty of your own!

I might consider selling them if your really interested….otherwise, get off my lawn!

353 moderatelyradicalliberal  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:28:49pm

re: #349 Fozzie Bear

The DNC is so notorious for lacking cohesion and discipline. It’s sad, really. So many times in my life I have seen them fail to take obvious political opportunities and run with them. It’s so frustrating to watch.

I have a little bit of hope now that Debbie Shultz will be in charge at the DNC. That woman knows how to deliver a good message and stay on it. I was very pleased by her choice. I also hope they put Elizabeth Warren out on TV a lot too. I know she’s busy at the new CPA, but she knows how to speak to middle and working class Americans.

354 reidr  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:29:25pm

re: #300 albusteve

you’ve been stating what’s been obvious here for long months

Sorry, I’m not much of a regular. Feel free to ignore me instead of being a crank.

355 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:29:36pm

re: #353 moderatelyradicalliberal

I remain cautiously pessimistic. /

356 albusteve  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:29:56pm

re: #354 reidr

Sorry, I’m not much of a regular. Feel free to ignore me instead of being a crank.

you asked

357 moderatelyradicalliberal  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:31:11pm

re: #351 albusteve

if it wasn’t for the GOP, the govt could express itself as the efficient, well oiled machine that has brought us so much recent prosperity…so pass the bong

I know you are being snarky, but that’s actually probably true. Putting people who hate government in charge of it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. I wouldn’t put a person who hates animals in charge of an animal shelter.

358 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:31:18pm

re: #354 reidr

Sorry, I’m not much of a regular. Feel free to ignore me instead of being a crank.

Oh brother!

359 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:32:06pm

Let’s all hope this gets shot down:

House votes to repeal regs on Internet access

House Republicans have passed a bill to repeal federal rules barring Internet service providers from blocking or setting different prices for some uses of their networks, saying the government should keep its hands off the Internet.

360 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:32:42pm

Ok, that’s enough work for one day. We just lost power at the office with 20 minutes to go, and only 5-8 minutes of UPS power. So, i’m shutting down before the backup power supply craps out. See you all around the bend.

361 moderatelyradicalliberal  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:33:30pm

re: #355 Fozzie Bear

I remain cautiously pessimistic. /

LOL! You have good reason, but it’s either have a little bit of hope or be a mail order bride for a foreigner from a country with universal health care so I can escape before the whole ship goes down.

362 albusteve  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:33:34pm

re: #358 Walter L. Newton

Oh brother!

even more butthurt….does that stuff ever run out?

363 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:33:45pm

re: #335 JasonA

Wait, what?

GOP Freshman Allen West Slams Republicans For Exploiting Troops in Shutdown Fight

“The House Majority has now placed the funding for the Department of Defense and the funding for the troops down as a bargaining chip,” West said. “In the last 100 days, the House Majority could have passed at any point in time a separate stand alone Appropriations for the Department of Defense and the funding for our men and women in uniform.”

I’m disgusted by this thing I’m voting for.

364 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:34:44pm

re: #360 Fozzie Bear

Ok, that’s enough work for one day. We just lost power at the office with 20 minutes to go, and only 5-8 minutes of UPS power. So, i’m shutting down before the backup power supply craps out. See you all around the bend.

What do you have, a OneGerbil Power UPS?!?!?!
Ours can last on battery for 12 hours (that is, if the generators for some reason don’t take over)

365 Lidane  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:35:01pm

re: #359 JasonA

Let’s all hope this gets shot down:

House votes to repeal regs on Internet access

*headdesk*

366 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:35:17pm

re: #364 sattv4u2

What do you have, a OneGerbil Power UPS?!?!?!
Ours can last on battery for 12 hours (that is, if the generators for some reason don’t take over)

Tsunami.

367 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:35:30pm

re: #362 albusteve

even more butthurt…does that stuff ever run out?

Super Industrialized cans of it are available at SAMS Club

368 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:39:49pm

re: #332 Charles

GOP Teabagger now on CNN, insisting that Planned Parenthood does use federal funds for abortion.

This is apparently all over the right wing sites and Fox News — they’re actually putting out a BLATANT LIE, because all these people know damned well that PP is forbidden by law from doing this.

Actually, they don’t think they’re lying. They’re using the “money is fungible” reasoning. Clumsily stated, it means that if two of us give you money, then even though one of us put strings on how their money can be used it doesn’t matter. Because you can use the ‘strings’ money to pay one thing it frees the other money to buy things prohibited by the first.

That this is stupid is obvious. It implies I put strings on the money I give you it ‘taints’ ALL the money I give you with the same restrictions.

But that is how they think it isn’t lying. They give money to PP, PP does provide abortions, therefore PP is using their money to provide abortions.

369 reidr  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:41:53pm

re: #358 Walter L. Newton

Oh brother!

Don’t you start too!

370 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:42:25pm

re: #369 reidr

Don’t you start too!

Can I??

371 reidr  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:42:49pm

re: #370 sattv4u2

Can I??

You already got a few in, no!

372 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:47:24pm

re: #371 reidr

You already got a few in, no!

I did??
And I wasn’t even trying!!
Damn, I’m good!

373 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:49:13pm

re: #321 Walter L. Newton

Gotcha… that in itself is stupid. I’ve come across some legacy software and applications in my days, but anyone that is still running any application on 95 or 3.1 may as well be running a Vic-20 (nothing against a Vic-20, I cut my programming teeth on a Vic-20).

That’s absurd.

Commodore Pets, Vector Graphics, and then one day we added KayPros. Yeah, I was a CP/M baby.

374 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:50:44pm

OT, but:

GeorgeTakei George Takei
I saw 127 Hours and found James Franco to be quite disarming. #DirectorsCut

375 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 1:51:09pm

re: #374 negativ

snort

376 Ericus58  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 2:02:50pm

So……

Ever showed up for a meeting that involved three different organizations, thinking your own role was minor…

… and by adjournment ended up being tasked with the lions share of the projects responsibilities?
And by gosh, everyone sure was supportive with their head nods and smiles - “We sure are behind you in this!”.

I was that guy today…. excuse me as I pull the dagger from my back and reschedule my weekend.

*shuffles off, grumbling to himself as he looks for the blankie….*

377 Achilles Tang  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 2:07:10pm

I had a brief conversation with a Republican friend about this today. He does not realize that Planned Parenthood is not about abortion, nor that tax money does not pay for it.

The reason is that the Republican leadership does not mention any of this, or lie directly, and I believe there are many good people, like this person, who are simply under the wrong impression as to what this is about.

I found the conversation uncomfortable, he is my senior by a couple of decades, and changed the subject. Politics is a no win discussion when sitting on a couple of buckets in a barn.

378 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 2:42:24pm

re: #376 Ericus58

Yes. But I’m a consultant. It means I get paid more.

379 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 3:06:38pm

re: #364 sattv4u2

What do you have, a OneGerbil Power UPS?!?!?!
Ours can last on battery for 12 hours (that is, if the generators for some reason don’t take over)

LOL, yeah it’s a pretty sizeable battery array, but there’s a bunch of computers hooked up to it. It’s really just designed to give us enough time to save what we were doing and shut down. It works for that purpose, but yeah, it’s not like you can do a whole lot in that time.

380 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 3:21:05pm

Fox News has a “Shutdown Countdown” timer in the bottom corner of the screen like it’s something to be excited in anticipation of. This isn’t New Year’s Eve folks.

381 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 8, 2011 6:54:16pm

re: #238 Fozzie Bear

Unfortunately, due to her incompetence, an investigation is absolutely necessary. If there isn’t a thorough accounting of how this happened, people are going to flip out.

How in the hell you mess up at least three different elections and keep your job is beyond me.

Baffles me. I think of all the people I’ve known who’ve lost jobs over so very much less.


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