The government of the United States may be about to shut its doors and put up the “Closed Until Further Notice” sign, or maybe not. I still think the Republicans might be just crazy enough, God love 'em, to actually go ahead and turn off the lights, but they apparently want to keep everyone on edge right up to the wire…
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:12:42pm |
God, I hate these games that come down to the wire. Bad for my heart.
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Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:12:47pm |
God better love ‘em, ‘cause few of us will.
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Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:13:59pm |
re: #1 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
God, I hate these games that come down to the wire. Bad for my heart.
I feel like there’s some director behind all of this, trying to get as much suspense as possible out of it.
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Stanley Sea Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:15:36pm |
The twitterverse is fired up. I posted Tom Colicchio from Top Chef piping in in support of Planned Parenthood.
I do think this is a GOP fail, whatever happens. Assholes fucking with woman’s health care.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:17:12pm |
re: #1 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
God, I hate these games that come down to the wire. Bad for my heart.
From what I’ve heard, there’s liable to be a 3-day CR so that negotiations can go on over the weekend.
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Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:18:25pm |
re: #4 Stanley Sea
The twitterverse is fired up. I posted Tom Colicchio from Top Chef piping in in support of Planned Parenthood.
I do think this is a GOP fail, whatever happens. Assholes fucking with woman’s health care.
Well, they’ve disenfranchised African-Americans, Hispanics and gays so far. I guess they figure they don’t need women’s votes, either. *shrug*
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Stanley Sea Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:19:01pm |
daveweigel daveweigel
This is John Boehner’s Sputnik moment.
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Eclectic Cyborg Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:19:29pm |
How many more of these “short term” deals are we going to have to put up with?
This is getting to a ridiculous level. Do you know what would happen to most people if they handled things like this? They’d get fired. Easily.
Do you realize how much of a laughingstock the U.S. government is right now?
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Varek Raith Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:19:57pm |
re: #7 Stanley Sea
daveweigel daveweigel
This is John Boehner’s Sputnik moment.
The part where he has a epiphany…
OR
The part when it bops him in the head…
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Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:20:11pm |
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:22:08pm |
re: #8 dragonfire1981
How many more of these “short term” deals are we going to have to put up with?
This is getting to a ridiculous level. Do you know what would happen to most people if they handled things like this? They’d get fired. Easily.
Do you realize how much of a laughingstock the U.S. government is right now?
Yeah, I’m quickly growing tired of this patch-job means of attacking the budget, the “We’ll put it off a few more days/weeks/months.” Do they think it’s fun for the people whose jobs rely upon the budget being passed not knowing if they’re going to have a job come Monday morning?
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Political Atheist Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:23:03pm |
re: #11 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yeah, I’m quickly growing tired of this patch-job means of attacking the budget, the “We’ll put it off a few more days/weeks/months.” Do they think it’s fun for the people whose jobs rely upon the budget being passed not knowing if they’re going to have a job come Monday morning?
Oh come now. It’s worked so well for California all these years…
///
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Kragar Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:25:55pm |
re: #7 Stanley Sea
daveweigel daveweigel
This is John Boehner’s Sputnik moment.
I think he’s gonna cry.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:26:42pm |
re: #11 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yeah, I’m quickly growing tired of this patch-job means of attacking the budget, the “We’ll put it off a few more days/weeks/months.” Do they think it’s fun for the people whose jobs rely upon the budget being passed not knowing if they’re going to have a job come Monday morning?
I’m tired of it, too. bu it’ll prevent a weekend shutdown and give the parties time to resolve things with the media spotlight dimmed somewhat.
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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:29:36pm |
Heh. Bill Cospy explains what he thinks of Trump. Hilarious.
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Political Atheist Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:30:57pm |
Government shutdown avoided? GOP reviewing latest offer
?
Paged
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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:31:05pm |
re: #14 Dark_Falcon
Dark, have you managed to come up with an answer for how you can support the GOP when they’re so into the denial of science that they ignore the dangers of AGW, to the point of actively discouraging alternative energy research and encouraging increased fossil fuel usage?
Given that AGW is the largest threat to our armed forces, how can you align your support of the troops with a party that is bound and determined to put them in harms way by ignoring AGW?
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freetoken Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:32:41pm |
re: #17 Obdicut
Given that AGW is the largest threat to our armed forces, …
I wouldn’t go quite that far. IMO the biggest threat to our armed forces are over ambitious Presidents and/or delusional political parties.
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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:33:50pm |
re: #18 freetoken
I wouldn’t go quite that far. IMO the biggest threat to our armed forces are over ambitious Presidents and/or delusional political parties.
Long-term, AGW is. And not even that long. During the next 50 years, most likely.
It’s certainly the only challenge where we can lose the war if we don’t start fighting it right goddamn now.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:34:19pm |
re: #5 Dark_Falcon
From what I’ve heard, there’s liable to be a 3-day CR so that negotiations can go on over the weekend.
CR?
Crazy Railroad?
/paging Ozzy…
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:34:21pm |
Here’s a good CNN opinion piece on the budget crisis. It’s sane, well-reasoned and even-handed:
Chicago (CNN) — Regardless of whether President Obama and the party leadership within Congress manage to hash out a last minute budget deal before Friday’s deadline, and thereby avoid putting some 800,000 federal workers on furlough, it is worth reflecting on how we got to this moment of impasse.
Some of the answer, to be sure, concerns the primary players in today’s politics. These politicians have plenty of reasons to battle it out. They genuinely disagree about the appropriate size and purposes of the federal government. They are jockeying for position in the 2012 presidential elections. And through it all, they are appealing to a divided public that is increasingly frustrated with rising deficit spending and persistent unemployment.
The back story of today’s budget wars, however, goes deeper still. Lurking behind the parties and personalities who animate today’s politics are a set of historical trends and structural forces that are not going away any time soon.
The first culprit is the rising polarization of the Democratic and Republican parties. Since the early 1970s, Democrats have become steadily more liberal, just as Republicans have become more conservative. Though political scientists disagree about the reasons why this is so, nearly everyone agrees that it is so.
Read the rest, its worth it.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:35:42pm |
re: #20 negativ
CR?
Crazy Railroad?
/paging Ozzy…
Continuing Resolution. At work we just call it the ‘CR’ because we’ve been dealing with it since October.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:36:19pm |
re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I think he’s gonna cry.
I have never seen a heterosexual man get so weepy in public without having a couple or three stiff drinks in him.
Can you imagine if Obama was the one crying all the goddamned time?
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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:36:59pm |
re: #21 Dark_Falcon
Democrats have become steadily more liberal, just as Republicans have become more conservative. Though political scientists disagree about the reasons why this is so, nearly everyone agrees that it is so.
Except for people who know that ‘liberal’ and ‘conservative’ are pretty much meaningless.
As if anything as complex as policy could be described on a simple 2-D axis.
Embarrassing to see a UofC professor speaking in such oversimplified terms.
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dog philosopher Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:38:53pm |
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:39:42pm |
re: #22 Dark_Falcon
Oh. I really wanted it to be three days of Crazy Railroad, though. Probably the same thing, in the end.
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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:40:16pm |
re: #26 negativ
Due to budget cuts, we can only afford one and a half days of mildly-disturbed miniature railroad.
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Desert Fox Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:41:45pm |
Couldn’t the Dems have passed a FY2011 budget last September, when they controlled the House, and avoided all of this?
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freetoken Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:42:14pm |
re: #21 Dark_Falcon
Democrats have become steadily more liberal,
I would agree to that only in the sense that many of the good ol’ boys in the South which were in the Democratic party either died off or joined the GOP.
However, in many ways the establishment of “Neoliberalism” ala Clinton reduced the progressive vision that was more common in the 60’s and 70’s.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:43:40pm |
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freetoken Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:43:43pm |
re: #29 Desert Fox
They should have, but they failed. And yes, now we’re paying for their failure.
That does not excuse the GOP, though, from acting like ideological urban fighters.
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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:44:27pm |
re: #30 freetoken
Seriously. Obama’s health care plan was so liberal that it was significantly less progressive than the one Nixon offered. Yet somehow, the Democrats have become increasingly liberal.
Yeah, no.
This really pisses me off. Here’s a U of C professor, an obviously smart academic, given a forum to speak, and he engages in the same old tired “there’s a left and a right a red and a blue” rhetoric that’s helping to keep the situation so fucked up.
Doesn’t even goddamn distinguish between social and economic ‘liberals’ and ‘conservatives’.
So frustrating.
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Stanley Sea Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:44:53pm |
re: #29 Desert Fox
Couldn’t the Dems have passed a FY2011 budget last September, when they controlled the House, and avoided all of this?
Filibustered, if I recall correctly. This is a right wing talking point.
? folks? I’m going from memory
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Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:45:28pm |
Okay, just watched O’donnell’s Planned Parenthood piece. Really sad.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:45:43pm |
re: #2 JasonA
God better love ‘em, ‘cause few of us will.
God has a special love for fools, children and drunks.
Not sure if that includes fools those who are drunk on power and acting purposely childish though..
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Stanley Sea Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:46:08pm |
re: #32 freetoken
They should have, but they failed. And yes, now we’re paying for their failure.
That does not excuse the GOP, though, from acting like ideological urban fighters.
Didn’t the GOP say WAIT WAIT till after the election for the bipartisanship participation etc?
I do feel this is a talking point
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rwmofo Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:46:27pm |
Let’s recap:
The media/Democrat Party had congressional majorities from 2006 until the voters threw them out in the 2010 elections. This bunch sure is lucky that only 1/3 of the Senate is up in front of the voters every election cycle or the Republicans would control both houses of congress now. Holy cow. Look at the record-setting deficits! Jeez. Gas costs how much? I sure miss President Bush.
At least the adults are finally back in charge in the House. I’d love to see Congressman Ryan debate the President. No teleprompters. Ryan would totally illustrate what an amateur we have residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Look at the bright side. The President could do an adequate job reading the news to us when Katie moves on.
Sidebar: Looks like the President’s and Katie Couric’s ratings both just fell below Joey Buttafuoco’s.
I would say it’s amazing how far out of touch the media/Democrat Party has gotten from reality, but centrist voters have proved my point so often, why reiterate the obvious?
Has the media/Democrat Party come up with any new ideas other than “Make the rich pay their fair share,” “They’re declaring war on the poor,” “They’re starving the children” or really, just anything new since the 90s?
Yawn.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:46:52pm |
re: #29 Desert Fox
Couldn’t the Dems have passed a FY2011 budget last September, when they controlled the House, and avoided all of this?
Stealth de-lurk!
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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:47:02pm |
re: #34 Stanley Sea
I believe they could have passed something during the brief time period they had 60. But there were a lot of blue dogs. The Democrats never had party unity.
It didn’t used to be that you needed to have total party unity, since the GOP would tend to have some people vote with the Democrats on issues they agreed with. The lockstep GOP is a new thing, and it’s interesting how much it fucks up the process.
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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:47:30pm |
re: #38 rwmofo
Ryan’s budget is a fantasy based on fake numbers. You got that memo, right?
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freetoken Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:47:32pm |
Speaking of talking points, look what just walked in the door….
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Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:47:50pm |
I downding at “Democrat Party” and stop reading right there.
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Stanley Sea Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:48:38pm |
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dog philosopher Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:49:14pm |
re: #21 Dark_Falcon
Here’s a good CNN opinion piece on the budget crisis. It’s sane, well-reasoned and even-handed:
Read the rest, its worth it.
Most recently, Obama relied upon a reconciliation (along with a batch of other parliamentary moves) to enact his sweeping 2009 health care reform
i think this is incorrect - as i recall, reconciliation was discussed, but in the end the house merely voted for the senate version without changes - so, in fact, obama’s hcr was passed in an unusually straightforward way
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Varek Raith Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:49:27pm |
re: #46 Stanley Sea
me too!
Me 3.
It completely kills his point with his childish “Democrat Party” thing.
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:49:50pm |
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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:49:52pm |
re: #21 Dark_Falcon
Here’s a good CNN opinion piece on the budget crisis. It’s sane, well-reasoned and even-handed:
Read the rest, its worth it.
If by “More liberal” you mean we’ve gone from saying we should treat black people like white people to saying we should also treat gay black people like white people then yes I suppose we have gotten “more liberal” is this suppose to be a bad thing?
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:50:28pm |
re: #38 rwmofo
Let’s recap:
The media/Democrat Party had congressional majorities from 2006 until the voters threw them out in the 2010 elections. This bunch sure is lucky that only 1/3 of the Senate is up in front of the voters every election cycle or the Republicans would control both houses of congress now. Holy cow. Look at the record-setting deficits! Jeez. Gas costs how much? I sure miss President Bush.
At least the adults are finally back in charge in the House. I’d love to see Congressman Ryan debate the President. No teleprompters. Ryan would totally illustrate what an amateur we have residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Look at the bright side. The President could do an adequate job reading the news to us when Katie moves on.
Sidebar: Looks like the President’s and Katie Couric’s ratings both just fell below Joey Buttafuoco’s.
I would say it’s amazing how far out of touch the media/Democrat Party has gotten from reality, but centrist voters have proved my point so often, why reiterate the obvious?
Has the media/Democrat Party come up with any new ideas other than “Make the rich pay their fair share,” “They’re declaring war on the poor,” “They’re starving the children” or really, just anything new since the 90s?
Yawn.
Hell, they’ve been using the same talking points since the you have as your avatar was president.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:50:32pm |
re: #38 rwmofo
Gas costs how much? I sure miss President Bush.
Why, because you prefer mid-2008 prices over $4/gal?
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Varek Raith Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:51:03pm |
Paul Ryan’s numbers assume a 2.8% unemployment rate.
DF, you seriously believe that will be the case?
Or that we will have 150 billion dollar a year economic growth?
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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:51:19pm |
re: #40 Obdicut
I believe they could have passed something during the brief time period they had 60. But there were a lot of blue dogs. The Democrats never had party unity.
It didn’t used to be that you needed to have total party unity, since the GOP would tend to have some people vote with the Democrats on issues they agreed with. The lockstep GOP is a new thing, and it’s interesting how much it fucks up the process.
It’d be “interesting” if it was happening in Mexico or Canada… since its happening hear and directly affecting us its horrifying /infuriating if you ask me…
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:52:39pm |
re: #51 Dark_Falcon
Hell, they’ve been using the same talking points since the you have as your avatar was president.
Largely because that’s been the staus quo since that time.
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MinisterO Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:53:08pm |
re: #38 rwmofo
Good but too long. The lamestream media/Democrat Party wants to give your hard-earned money to unmarried welfare mothers who don’t want to work.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:53:20pm |
re: #49 wlewisiii
Ryan is a joke and his numbers can’t add up.
Next?
Horseshit. He’s the only one even addressing the issue. The Dems seem content to ignore it or imagine it’ll go away if the cut defense. Paul Ryan is the only one with a real plan. you think you’ve got the answer, publish your own.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:54:12pm |
re: #56 MinisterO
Good but too long. The lamestream media/Democrat Party wants to give your hard-earned money to unmarried welfare mothers who don’t want to work.
Needs something about supporting the troops and the sanctity of marriage.
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Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:54:44pm |
re: #57 Dark_Falcon
Horseshit. He’s the only one even addressing the issue. The Dems seem content to ignore it or imagine it’ll go away if the cut defense. Paul Ryan is the only one with a real plan. you think you’ve got the answer, publish your own.
Too bad the right could never see Al Gore in that light.
“Yeah, he might be a scaremonger, but at least he’s addressing the issue!”
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Stanley Sea Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:55:03pm |
re: #53 Varek Raith
Paul Ryan’s numbers assume a 2.8% unemployment rate.
DF, you seriously believe that will be the case?
Or that we will have 150 billion dollar a year economic growth?
2.8 was already disproved. MISTAKE IN HIS PLAN! Heritage changed their chart even (you prob know) but others obviously DONT.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:55:12pm |
re: #57 Dark_Falcon
Horseshit. He’s the only one even addressing the issue. The Dems seem content to ignore it or imagine it’ll go away if the cut defense. Paul Ryan is the only one with a real plan. you think you’ve got the answer, publish your own.
Dark can you address the entire 2.8 % unemployment and 150 billion dollars in growth a year thing?
Also what do you make of the way that two thirds of its cuts come from the poor/middle class?
What are your thoughts on these contentious issues?
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Renaissance_Man Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:55:28pm |
re: #21 Dark_Falcon
Here’s a good CNN opinion piece on the budget crisis. It’s sane, well-reasoned and even-handed:
Read the rest, its worth it.
It would make sense if he were to actually provide some evidence of his assertion that both major parties have actually moved ideologically to the extremes. I don’t see any evidence that Republicans have become more conservative while Democrats have become more liberal at all. I especially don’t see any evidence of the catchphrase ‘each political faction is convinced not merely that it is right, but that those who disagree with it are stupid, evil or both.’
I see evidence that partisan voters are convinced of that, and that some of their attitudes are starting to filter upwards to their representatives. But this is not an attitude of politicians that mature, intelligent voters are tut-tutting about. This is an attitude of the voting public, and one that has in some cases been deliberately created. This ‘both sides are just as bad’ meme completely ignores the nuances and the root causes of the political problem, and shifts the blame to ‘the feds’, rather than taking a long hard look at the culture of voting and attitudes towards issues in America.
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MinisterO Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:55:37pm |
re: #57 Dark_Falcon
Horseshit. He’s the only one even addressing the issue. The Dems seem content to ignore it or imagine it’ll go away if the cut defense. Paul Ryan is the only one with a real plan. you think you’ve got the answer, publish your own.
Bullshit. Ryan’s plan is no plan.
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Stanley Sea Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:56:05pm |
re: #60 JasonA
Too bad the right could never see Al Gore in that light.
“Yeah, he might be a scaremonger, but at least he’s addressing the issue!”
ha ha ha ha
fucking BINGO
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:56:21pm |
re: #57 Dark_Falcon
Horseshit. He’s the only one even addressing the issue. The Dems seem content to ignore it or imagine it’ll go away if the cut defense. Paul Ryan is the only one with a real plan. you think you’ve got the answer, publish your own.
Paul Ryan believes that if you give the rich even more money, it’ll magically create so many jobs that the unemployment rate will drop to a rate that hasn’t been seen since the Korean War. He’ll be throwing the poor and elderly under the bus, but at least the rich won’t have to go without new gold-plated yacht for Christmas.
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Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:56:25pm |
Senator Kyl is way off on how much abortion accounts for Planned Parenthood’s activities, but at least he’s addressing the issue!!!
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dog philosopher Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:57:04pm |
re: #38 rwmofo
The media/Democrat Party had congressional majorities from 2006 until the voters threw them out in the 2010 elections.
the voters threw out the republicans in the 2006 and 2008 elections, but republicans refuse to learn the lessons from this
in 2010 we were in the depths of the greatest recession since the great depression, so it’s not surprising that voters would be frustrated, but republicans hear voices in their heads interpreting the secret wishes of “the american people” instead
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:57:16pm |
I am really regretting my decision to put entirely too much onion on the sandwich I ate 3 hours ago. I don’t really get heartburn, but I’d be really happy to be able to stop burping onions-gone-wrong right about now
#deadSexy #helloLadies
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Fenris Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:58:44pm |
This just in: a government shutdown has been averted: abcnews.go.com
Planned Parenthood’s funds are going to be left alone.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:59:03pm |
re: #67 JasonA
Senator Kyl is way off on how much abortion accounts for Planned Parenthood’s activities, but at least he’s addressing the issue!!!
George W Bush was way off on ties between Iraq and Al Queda, but at least he adressed the issue!
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dog philosopher Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:59:21pm |
re: #57 Dark_Falcon
Horseshit. He’s the only one even addressing the issue. The Dems seem content to ignore it or imagine it’ll go away if the cut defense. Paul Ryan is the only one with a real plan. you think you’ve got the answer, publish your own.
can we start with allowing negotiation re prices with drug companies?
also, how could making seniors buy private insurance do anything but cost more money than the current system?
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Stanley Sea Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:59:35pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:59:41pm |
I say it doesn’t happen.
Not sure enough to put money on it, but tonight I say no, we stay open for business.
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Renaissance_Man Fri, Apr 8, 2011 7:59:47pm |
re: #57 Dark_Falcon
Horseshit. He’s the only one even addressing the issue. The Dems seem content to ignore it or imagine it’ll go away if the cut defense. Paul Ryan is the only one with a real plan. you think you’ve got the answer, publish your own.
A plan based on fantasy and moral cowardice that explicitly does not state how any of the numbers it mentions will actually be achieved is not a ‘real plan’.
That’s sort of like saying that a five year old who tells you he wants to grow up to be Batman has ‘real career plans’.
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Stanley Sea Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:00:07pm |
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MinisterO Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:00:20pm |
re: #76 Renaissance_Man
A plan based on fantasy and moral cowardice that explicitly does not state how any of the numbers it mentions will actually be achieved is not a ‘real plan’.
That’s sort of like saying that a five year old who tells you he wants to grow up to be Batman has ‘real career plans’.
Damn you got a way with words.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:00:28pm |
re: #62 jamesfirecat
Dark can you address the entire 2.8 % unemployment and 150 billion dollars in growth a year thing?
Nope.
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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:00:36pm |
re: #51 Dark_Falcon
Dark, do you understand that Ryan’s numbers are fictitious?
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:00:53pm |
re: #67 JasonA
Senator Kyl is way off on how much abortion accounts for Planned Parenthood’s activities, but at least he’s addressing the issue!!!
I like his explanation, “that’s right, I just intentionally told a lie right there on the Senate floor, fuckin’ deal with it bitches.”
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Varek Raith Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:01:23pm |
re: #79 Dark_Falcon
Nope.
That’s what his budget assumes.
They were proven to be overly rosy and magical.
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:01:27pm |
re: #57 Dark_Falcon
Horseshit. He’s the only one even addressing the issue. The Dems seem content to ignore it or imagine it’ll go away if the cut defense. Paul Ryan is the only one with a real plan. you think you’ve got the answer, publish your own.
His numbers are a fantasy DF.
You know what we need to do: Raise taxes on everyone. Raise the ceiling on SS income to at least $250,000. Cut defense. End corporate welfare. End farm subsidies to any farm with a net income over $250,000 annually. These would do for starters.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:01:39pm |
re: #15 Obdicut
Heh. Bill Cospy explains what he thinks of Trump. Hilarious.
[Link: www.salon.com…]
“You run, or you shut up,” said a man who, up until now, I mostly respected for his sweater collection. I didn’t even know Bill Cosby could get this upset, but it is a righteous and awesome anger.
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Stanley Sea Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:02:07pm |
EricBoehlert Eric Boehlert
Best part of today? Nobody cared what Sarah Palin posted on Facebook about Obama/shutdown; #farewell
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:02:12pm |
re: #79 Dark_Falcon
Nope.
So you’re just going to bury your head in the sand and pretend those are rational assumption?
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:02:57pm |
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MinisterO Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:02:57pm |
re: #80 Obdicut
Dark, do you understand that Ryan’s numbers are fictitious?
I don’t think that matters. Faith doesn’t care about numbers.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:03:09pm |
re: #23 negativ
I have never seen a heterosexual man get so weepy in public without having a couple or three stiff drinks in him.
Can you imagine if Obama was the one crying all the goddamned time?
The mockery would be relentless.
As for Boehner, I’m an easy cryer myself, but damn, he does take it to an extreme.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:03:11pm |
re: #79 Dark_Falcon
Nope.
“Nope”
Nope?
Nope?
NOPE?
You have NO COMMENT on these
INCREDIBLY OPTIMISTIC PREDICTIONS!
JUST EXPLAINNNNNNNN
Ahem…
Can you comment on the fact that it takes 66% of its cuts form services for the lower class while giving the upper class tax breaks then Dark?
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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:03:41pm |
re: #57 Dark_Falcon
Horseshit. He’s the only one even addressing the issue. The Dems seem content to ignore it or imagine it’ll go away if the cut defense. Paul Ryan is the only one with a real plan. you think you’ve got the answer, publish your own.
Dark, the presence or absence of a Democratic budget has absolutely no bearing on whether Ryan’s is a complete piece of crap.
We should have raised taxes, like responsible adults who understand that they have to pay for things that they bought. We’re not, because the GOP has a fantasy that debt brought on by tax breaks somehow doesn’t count.
Yay.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:04:18pm |
re: #21 Dark_Falcon
Here’s a good CNN opinion piece on the budget crisis. It’s sane, well-reasoned and even-handed:
Read the rest, its worth it.
The first culprit is the rising polarization of the Democratic and Republican parties. Since the early 1970s, Democrats have become steadily more liberal, just as Republicans have become more conservative. Though political scientists disagree about the reasons why this is so, nearly everyone agrees that it is so.
I would not say the Democrats have become more liberal since the 70s. I’d say we’ve all taken two or three big scissor steps to the right.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:04:20pm |
Personally? I’d hate the idea of being considered non-essential.
Of course, that would probably mean I was in Congress.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:05:01pm |
re: #30 freetoken
I would agree to that only in the sense that many of the good ol’ boys in the South which were in the Democratic party either died off or joined the GOP.
However, in many ways the establishment of “Neoliberalism” ala Clinton reduced the progressive vision that was more common in the 60’s and 70’s.
OK, sure, in the sense that Dixiecrats were either offloaded or dug under, I can see that part.
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dog philosopher Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:05:02pm |
re: #38 rwmofo
Has the media/Democrat Party come up with any new ideas other than “Make the rich pay their fair share,” “They’re declaring war on the poor,” “They’re starving the children” or really, just anything new since the 90s?
Yawn.
i wish you luck in your project of success through kissing the asses of rich fucks would wouldn’t condescend to eat lunch with you while simultaneously pissing on poor children
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:05:47pm |
re: #38 rwmofo
Let’s recap:
The media/Democrat Party had congressional majorities from 2006 until the voters threw them out in the 2010 elections. This bunch sure is lucky that only 1/3 of the Senate is up in front of the voters every election cycle or the Republicans would control both houses of congress now. Holy cow. Look at the record-setting deficits! Jeez. Gas costs how much? I sure miss President Bush.
At least the adults are finally back in charge in the House. I’d love to see Congressman Ryan debate the President. No teleprompters. Ryan would totally illustrate what an amateur we have residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Look at the bright side. The President could do an adequate job reading the news to us when Katie moves on.
Sidebar: Looks like the President’s and Katie Couric’s ratings both just fell below Joey Buttafuoco’s.
I would say it’s amazing how far out of touch the media/Democrat Party has gotten from reality, but centrist voters have proved my point so often, why reiterate the obvious?
Has the media/Democrat Party come up with any new ideas other than “Make the rich pay their fair share,” “They’re declaring war on the poor,” “They’re starving the children” or really, just anything new since the 90s?
Yawn.
Sorry, dude, you said ‘media/Democrat Party’ again, and I downdinged and moved on.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:06:11pm |
re: #70 fenrisdesigns
This just in: a government shutdown has been averted: [Link: abcnews.go.com…]
Planned Parenthood’s funds are going to be left alone.
It looks like the Dems in return accepted an additional $4.5 billion in spending cuts. That seems any appropriate level of reciprocity.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:06:18pm |
re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist
The mockery would be relentless.
As for Boehner, I’m an easy cryer myself, but damn, he does take it to an extreme.
He makes me think of:
Youtube Video
And I criiiiiiieeed my heart out…
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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:06:18pm |
re: #93 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
A long time ago I had to be part of a panel that was interviewing people to justify their jobs, like in Office Space. I hated it. However, the company had some real characters.
My favorite? The ultra-refined, can’t-be-bothered-gay-guy, who when asked by the completely-unimaginative accountant on the panel “What do you bring to the company?” responded:
“A certain je ne sai quois.”
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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:06:55pm |
re: #97 Dark_Falcon
It looks like the Dems in return accepted an additional $4.5 billion in spending cuts. That seems any appropriate level of reciprocity.
Why should the GOP get anything for being sick fucks attacking women’s health, Dark?
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dog philosopher Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:07:36pm |
re: #83 wlewisiii
His numbers are a fantasy DF.
You know what we need to do: Raise taxes on everyone. Raise the ceiling on SS income to at least $250,000. Cut defense. End corporate welfare. End farm subsidies to any farm with a net income over $250,000 annually. These would do for starters.
rft
the fact that republicans won’t even take the time to dismiss these simple and obvious solutions belies their pious claim that it’s all about deficits
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:08:03pm |
re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist
“You run, or you shut up,” said a man who, up until now, I mostly respected for his sweater collection. I didn’t even know Bill Cosby could get this upset, but it is a righteous and awesome anger.
Maybe Bill Cosby could run for president. Who wouldn’t vote for Bill Cosby?
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:08:18pm |
re: #97 Dark_Falcon
It looks like the Dems in return accepted an additional $4.5 billion in spending cuts. That seems any appropriate level of reciprocity.
Reciprocity? What are the Repubs giving up?
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Just never mind. Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:08:26pm |
re: #96 SanFranciscoZionist
Sorry, dude, you said ‘media/Democrat Party’ again, and I downdinged and moved on.
Hey, you’re caught up on the thread!
LOL!
*waves*
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:09:14pm |
re: #85 Stanley Sea
EricBoehlert Eric Boehlert
Best part of today? Nobody cared what Sarah Palin posted on Facebook about Obama/shutdown; #farewell
Heh. Replaced by Trump.
/Trumped
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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:09:29pm |
re: #103 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Reciprocity? What are the Repubs giving up?
They agreed to stop trying to target the federal governments efforts to insure women had access to quality birth control and cancer screening services, and it only cost us 4.5 Billion dollars!
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:09:39pm |
re: #99 Obdicut
A long time ago I had to be part of a panel that was interviewing people to justify their jobs, like in Office Space. I hated it. However, the company had some real characters.
My favorite? The ultra-refined, can’t-be-bothered-gay-guy, who when asked by the completely-unimaginative accountant on the panel “What do you bring to the company?” responded:
“A certain je ne sai quois.”
Saving that for if I am ever asked that question.
Although, being me, I will probably forget, and instead say, “Are you fucking kidding me? Did you actually just SAY that?”
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Stanley Sea Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:10:16pm |
re: #103 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Reciprocity? What are the Repubs giving up?
Decimation of the Government?
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sagehen Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:10:28pm |
re: #34 Stanley Sea
Filibustered, if I recall correctly. This is a right wing talking point.
? folks? I’m going from memory
Then they were planning to get to it in the lame duck, but Republicans threw a hissy fit at the idea that people who’d been voted out would have any say… they requested demanded that a short term be done instead, and the real budget wait for incoming Republican freshmen.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:10:37pm |
re: #100 Obdicut
Why should the GOP get anything for being sick fucks attacking women’s health, Dark?
I don’t see that as the root of the impass. that’s just what harry Reid and his staff have been saying. I find their chatter self-serving. In any case, cutting this spending will be a step in the right direction, and both sides can properly call the final agreement a compromise.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:10:37pm |
re: #108 Stanley Sea
Decimation of the Government?
And to think they had a bathtub all lined up and everything!
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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:10:40pm |
re: #107 SanFranciscoZionist
I got asked in an interview “Would would be your montage?” one.
I stared blankly at them for a little while.
And then responded, “Me reading a very long book.”
“That’s it?”
“A very, very long book.”
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:10:47pm |
re: #106 jamesfirecat
They agreed to stop trying to target the federal governments efforts to insure women had access to quality birth control and cancer screening services, and it only cost us 4.5 Billion dollars!
Yep, they gave up (for now) on their socon agenda in exchange for budget cuts. Boy, makes me proud to be an American.
///
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:10:54pm |
daveweigel daveweigel
Most liberal president ever now announcing “biggest annual spending cut in history.”
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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:11:24pm |
re: #111 Dark_Falcon
I don’t see that as the root of the impass. that’s just what harry Reid and his staff have been saying. I find their chatter self-serving. In any case, cutting this spending will be a step in the right direction, and both sides can properly call the final agreement a compromise.
What was the root of the impass in your view Dark?
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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:11:27pm |
re: #111 Dark_Falcon
I don’t see that as the root of the impass. that’s just what harry Reid and his staff have been saying.
It’s also what the GOP has been saying, Dark. Why are you ignoring that?
What you have just said is not true. You normally don’t flat out state things that simply aren’t true.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:11:30pm |
re: #113 Obdicut
I got asked in an interview “Would would be your montage?” one.
I stared blankly at them for a little while.
And then responded, “Me reading a very long book.”
“That’s it?”
“A very, very long book.”
MONTAGE?
???
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Renaissance_Man Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:11:41pm |
re: #107 SanFranciscoZionist
Saving that for if I am ever asked that question.
Although, being me, I will probably forget, and instead say, “Are you fucking kidding me? Did you actually just SAY that?”
My answer would be ‘My lunch, typically.’
I was once fortunate enough to be in a job interview where I didn’t really care if I got it. I was asked the old classic, ‘What would you say is one of your major weaknesses?’
My response was, ‘Cults of personality form around me.’
I got the job.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:11:43pm |
re: #103 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Reciprocity? What are the Repubs giving up?
They allow the Planned Parenthood funding to go ahead in exchange for larger cuts elsewhere.
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Stanley Sea Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:12:17pm |
OK, please someone who looks, show me the tea party freak out!
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Gus Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:12:24pm |
re: #38 rwmofo
To recap, Obama has little if anything to do with the recent turmoil in the Middle East and North Africa which led to the spike in oil prices which cause spike in gasoline prices. Don’t worry though. Your fat ass greedy friends from American big oil companies will once again post record profits.
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Boyo Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:12:31pm |
re: #120 Dark_Falcon
They allow the Planned Parenthood funding to go ahead in exchange for larger cuts elsewhere.
did you agree with pp being defunded?
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:12:34pm |
re: #120 Dark_Falcon
They allow the Planned Parenthood funding to go ahead in exchange for larger cuts elsewhere.
So, I was right, the Dems rolled over. No surprise there
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:12:39pm |
re: #117 Obdicut
It’s also what the GOP has been saying, Dark. Why are you ignoring that?
What you have just said is not true. You normally don’t flat out state things that simply aren’t true.
Where did Republicans say that? I’ve been reading CNN’s website all day, and I haven’t seen that.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:13:11pm |
re: #99 Obdicut
I already told you: I deal with the goddamned customers so the engineers don’t have to. I have people skills; I am good at dealing with people. Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?
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Just never mind. Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:13:14pm |
Headline from elsewhere…
Congress Strikes a Budget Deal, Averts Shutdown
FOX News
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moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:13:19pm |
re: #97 Dark_Falcon
It looks like the Dems in return accepted an additional $4.5 billion in spending cuts. That seems any appropriate level of reciprocity.
How gracious of the GOP to decide they won’t attack the reproductive rights of low income women…….for now. Where can I send flowers?
///
Fuck the GOP, they are dirt bags who don’t give a damn about how badly their policies hurt the non-rich in this country. They never have and they never will.
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dog philosopher Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:13:23pm |
re: #51 Dark_Falcon
Hell, they’ve been using the same talking points since the you have as your avatar was president.
and they’ve all been just as true of the republican party since warren harding was president
teddy roosevelt was a great progressive president and was far to the left of today’s democratic party
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Simply Sarah Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:13:47pm |
re: #120 Dark_Falcon
They allow the Planned Parenthood funding to go ahead in exchange for larger cuts elsewhere.
That’s some interesting logic you have there. So you’re saying that they can make any old insane demands they want, then drop them for budget cuts, and everything will be nice and square?
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MinisterO Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:14:09pm |
re: #91 Obdicut
We should have raised taxes, like responsible adults who understand that they have to pay for things that they bought. We’re not, because the GOP has a fantasy that debt brought on by tax breaks somehow doesn’t count.
Yay.
Bingo. We’re spending half again what we take in, and we’ve been doing it for 30 years. During that time we’ve cut taxes for the wealthy over and over again under the premise that this would improve the situation. It’s only gotten worse. The ideological failure there is obvious to anyone who cares to look.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:14:15pm |
re: #118 SanFranciscoZionist
MONTAGE?
???
Always fade out in a montage,
If you fade out, it seem like more time
Has passed in a montage,
Montage……
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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:14:31pm |
re: #111 Dark_Falcon
I don’t see that as the root of the impass. that’s just what harry Reid and his staff have been saying. I find their chatter self-serving. In any case, cutting this spending will be a step in the right direction, and both sides can properly call the final agreement a compromise.
You know what… I could be angry about this.
But I’m not.
Do you know why Dark?
Because in keeping the Planned Parenthood funding in, the Socons just got the shaft again.
And the more they get shafted the angrier they get, and your party insists on continuing to try to appeal to them.
Its like riding a tiger while poking them with a stick.
Sooner or later the socons are going to get so mad that they’ll stop electing any Republican who isn’t one of them.
And on that day, you’re going to go to a booth and you’re going to pull a lever (more likely you’re going to touch a screen) with a great big old “D” on it.
I’ll enjoy that day….
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moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:14:37pm |
re: #111 Dark_Falcon
I don’t see that as the root of the impass. that’s just what harry Reid and his staff have been saying. I find their chatter self-serving. In any case, cutting this spending will be a step in the right direction, and both sides can properly call the final agreement a compromise.
What did the GOP compromise? Seriously, what did they give up? What cuts where painful for them?
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Stanley Sea Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:14:43pm |
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Gus Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:15:09pm |
To recap. The price of gasoline is also about equal to a time when President Bush was at the helm. Make note of this chart:
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:15:23pm |
ezraklein
Shorter dems: these cuts we’ve been resisting and denouncing for months are historic and we’re proud to be passing so many of them.
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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:15:30pm |
re: #125 Dark_Falcon
Where did Republicans say that? I’ve been reading CNN’s website all day, and I haven’t seen that.
“As Republicans, we promised in the pledge to America to cut $100 billion off of Obama’s plan. If we’re going to come back with less than that, we’ve got to come back with some policy riders to say look, I took less than $100 billion, but I’ve defunded Planned Parenthood or abortions in the District of Columbia. Or I’ve ended Obamacare,”
Blake Farenthold (R-TX)
“Everybody goes to clinics, to doctors, to hospitals, so on,” Kyl said. “Some people go to Planned Parenthood. But you don’t have to go to Planned Parenthood to get your cholesterol or your blood pressure checked. If you want an abortion, you go to Planned Parenthood, and that’s well over 90 percent of what Planned Parenthood does.” - Jon Kyl, R- State of Lying
That last statement, Dark, is a full out, reprehensible, complete, and total lie. Told by a Republican in a vicious smear on Planned Parenthood. Abortions are 3% of what Planned Parenthood does.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:15:54pm |
re: #121 Stanley Sea
Hot air readers…
This is just depressing. What a kick in the bag.
The Republicans LOST a warmup game – and lost it big. There is NO reason to believe they’ll show any better in the upcoming fights on the debt ceiling and the 2012 budget.
Sorry – if they couldn’t cut $100B as they promised – which is only two weeks worth of deficit out of this budget – they don’t have the nuts to win any bigger fight.
$39 B in cuts?If that buys more than 4 days of “business as usual,” it is an incredibly bad deal: so bad, that Boehner MUST GO!!!
etc
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:16:11pm |
re: #124 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
So, I was right, the Dems rolled over. No surprise there
Nobody ‘rolled over’. Both sides gave up something they wanted in exchange for getting something else they wanted more. The final agreement lets neither party call out “Victory!” but rather allows them to both same “We made a good deal and got what we needed.” That is the essence of compromise in divided government.
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sod Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:16:27pm |
Well fuck. Looks like I have to get on a plane tomorrow now and go on a trip I don’t want to go on. I was really hoping for a shutdown.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:16:31pm |
re: #134 moderatelyradicalliberal
What did the GOP compromise? Seriously, what did they give up? What cuts where painful for them?
They really… really …. really wanted to have more women barefoot and pregnant while suffering from various forms of cancer.
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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:17:07pm |
re: #140 Dark_Falcon
Dark, compromise doesn’t work when one group— the GOP— starts from an abjectly, cravenly dishonest position.
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fire at night Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:17:19pm |
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:17:22pm |
re: #140 Dark_Falcon
Nobody ‘rolled over’. Both sides gave up something they wanted in exchange for getting something else they wanted more. The final agreement lets neither party call out “Victory!” but rather allows them to both same “We made a good deal and got what we needed.” That is the essence of compromise in divided government.
Yeah, the Repubs gave up the socon riders that amounted to pocket change and get $39 billion in budget cuts in return. Where I come from, that’s one hell of a good deal.
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Stanley Sea Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:17:39pm |
re: #133 jamesfirecat
You know what… I could be angry about this.
But I’m not.
Do you know why Dark?
Because in keeping the Planned Parenthood funding in, the Socons just got the shaft again.
And the more they get shafted the angrier they get, and your party insists on continuing to try to appeal to them.
Its like riding a tiger while poking them with a stick.
Sooner or later the socons are going to get so mad that they’ll stop electing any Republican who isn’t one of them.
And on that day, you’re going to go to a booth and you’re going to pull a lever (more likely you’re going to touch a screen) with a great big old “D” on it.
I’ll enjoy that day…
I think the psychology of loosing the Planned Parenthood battle is really really going to fuck up the socons. It was a huge point that backfired in my opinon.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:17:51pm |
re: #120 Dark_Falcon
They allow the Planned Parenthood funding to go ahead in exchange for larger cuts elsewhere.
As far as I’m concerned, they can kiss my ass over that one.
So we may be at an impasse.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:17:56pm |
re: #102 SanFranciscoZionist
Maybe Bill Cosby could run for president. Who wouldn’t vote for Bill Cosby?
Donald Trump, for one.
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Varek Raith Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:18:16pm |
I demand more cuts to spending or I press the button to destroy the Earth!
But… I’m willing to not press the button for a slightly smaller cut…
COMPROMISE.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:18:19pm |
re: #138 Obdicut
Blake Farenthold (R-TX)
That last statement, Dark, is a full out, reprehensible, complete, and total lie. Told by a Republican in a vicious smear on Planned Parenthood. Abortions are 3% of what Planned Parenthood does.
Show me the figure for Planned Parenthood. As an act of good faith. Your point is well-taken, but I’d respectfully ask for confirmation.
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sagehen Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:18:48pm |
re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist
The first culprit is the rising polarization of the Democratic and Republican parties. Since the early 1970s, Democrats have become steadily more liberal, just as Republicans have become more conservative. Though political scientists disagree about the reasons why this is so, nearly everyone agrees that it is so.
I would not say the Democrats have become more liberal since the 70s. I’d say we’ve all taken two or three big scissor steps to the right.
Dems have taken two or three steps, Reps have taken eight or ten.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:19:35pm |
re: #149 Varek Raith
I demand more cuts to spending or I press the button to destroy the Earth!
But… I’m willing to not press the button for a slightly smaller cut…
COMPROMISE.
Varek, get your hand off that superlaser targeting system.
/Stay on Target!
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Stanley Sea Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:19:52pm |
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Fenris Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:19:53pm |
re: #140 Dark_Falcon
Nobody ‘rolled over’. Both sides gave up something they wanted in exchange for getting something else they wanted more. The final agreement lets neither party call out “Victory!” but rather allows them to both same “We made a good deal and got what we needed.” That is the essence of compromise in divided government.
We’ll know for sure how the talking heads recollect it in the morning, but I’m sure there’s going to be a small amount of d*ck-measuring.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:19:54pm |
re: #120 Dark_Falcon
They allow the Planned Parenthood funding to go ahead in exchange for larger cuts elsewhere.
They didn’t allow anything… how do you allow something that was never going to happen in the first place. You’re not making any sense. The Senate and the President holds power over anything the GOP majority in the house can send them, there for it’s not even an issue.
What kind of logic is “They allow the Planned Parenthood funding to go ahead?”
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Varek Raith Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:20:14pm |
re: #152 Dark_Falcon
Varek, get your hand off that superlaser targeting system.
/Stay on Target!
Can I blow up Mercury?
Come on, my trigger finger is itchy!!!
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moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:20:41pm |
re: #146 Stanley Sea
I think the psychology of loosing the Planned Parenthood battle is really really going to fuck up the socons. It was a huge point that backfired in my opinon.
Some tweets would suggest the Tea Party people aren’t happy either. They are calling for Boehner to be ousted.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:20:52pm |
re: #151 sagehen
Dems have taken two or three steps, Reps have taken eight or ten.
Off a cliff…. and scream SOOOOOCCCOOOOONNNNN all the way down.
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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:20:52pm |
re: #150 Dark_Falcon
Show me the figure for Planned Parenthood. As an act of good faith. Your point is well-taken, but I’d respectfully ask for confirmation.
For fuck’s sake, Dark, it has been posted here repeatedly all day.
I wish you’d show a bit more initiative about educating yourself about facts and figures, rather than letting them be given to you by those you know to be wildly biased.
HERE:
Image: planned%20parenthood-245654727_v2.grid-6x2.jpg
Republicans have been outright lying about Planned Parenthood for days. An organization that saves the lives of women, that provides charitable help. And they lie and smear it.
Why do you support that?
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:20:53pm |
re: #156 Varek Raith
Can I blow up Mercury?
Come on, my trigger finger is itchy!!!
We’ve talked a bit, and we’re willing to let you blow up Pluto. I mean, it’s really not a planet, so we need not worry too much about its loss.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:21:13pm |
re: #156 Varek Raith
Can I blow up Mercury?
Come on, my trigger finger is itchy!!!
(insert Uranus joke here)
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moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:21:28pm |
re: #147 SanFranciscoZionist
As far as I’m concerned, they can kiss my ass over that one.
So we may be at an impasse.
+1. They can kiss my natural black ass.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:21:37pm |
re: #125 Dark_Falcon
Where did Republicans say that? I’ve been reading CNN’s website all day, and I haven’t seen that.
Sometimes you’re self mocking, do you realize that?
re: #150 Dark_Falcon
Show me the figure for Planned Parenthood. As an act of good faith. Your point is well-taken, but I’d respectfully ask for confirmation.
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Boyo Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:21:46pm |
re: #159 Obdicut
For fuck’s sake, Dark, it has been posted here repeatedly all day.
I wish you’d show a bit more initiative about educating yourself about facts and figures, rather than letting them be given to you by those you know to be wildly biased.
HERE:
Image: planned%20parenthood-245654727_v2.grid-6x2.jpg
Republicans have been outright lying about Planned Parenthood for days. An organization that saves the lives of women, that provides charitable help. And they lie and smear it.
Why do you support that?
my team right or wrong fuck the rest woooooohhh !!!!11
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:21:47pm |
re: #145 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yeah, the Repubs gave up the socon riders that amounted to pocket change and get $39 billion in budget cuts in return. Where I come from, that’s one hell of a good deal.
And I got what I really wanted. Yes, the socon riders got dropped, but they were not vital to me. And they were dropped in exchange for spending reductions, which is a tiny step towards fixing the problem Republicans were sent to DC to fix.
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MinisterO Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:21:49pm |
re: #150 Dark_Falcon
Show me the figure for Planned Parenthood. As an act of good faith. Your point is well-taken, but I’d respectfully ask for confirmation.
I don’t know that it’s correct, but, supposing he does prove said figure, a gracious acknowledgement of the wrong-headedness of your party’s position would be in order.
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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:21:56pm |
re: #160 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
These people would like to have a word with you.
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dog philosopher Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:22:18pm |
re: #151 sagehen
Dems have taken two or three steps, Reps have taken eight or ten.
to get a good measurement of how out of the mainstream republicans have become, compare eisenhower or nixon to today’s political spectrum, and notice how well they would qualify as socialists according to the tea party
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Varek Raith Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:22:23pm |
re: #160 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
We’ve talked a bit, and we’re willing to let you blow up Pluto. I mean, it’s really not a planet, so we need not worry too much about its loss.
Aww, man.
That’s way the frak out there…
Fine, I’ll take it.
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Stanley Sea Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:22:25pm |
re: #150 Dark_Falcon
Show me the figure for Planned Parenthood. As an act of good faith. Your point is well-taken, but I’d respectfully ask for confirmation.
Someone has beaten me to this?
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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:22:27pm |
re: #165 Dark_Falcon
Are any of the cuts going to actually cost us more money in the long run, Dark?
As in, not fixing a leaky roof that eventually caves in?
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:22:59pm |
re: #141 sod
Well fuck. Looks like I have to get on a plane tomorrow now and go on a trip I don’t want to go on. I was really hoping for a shutdown.
/firstworldproblems
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Simply Sarah Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:23:04pm |
re: #168 engineer dog
to get a good measurement of how out of the mainstream republicans have become, compare eisenhower or nixon to today’s political spectrum, and notice how well they would qualify as socialists according to the tea party
Ike would be a flat out communist.
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Stanley Sea Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:23:40pm |
re: #150 Dark_Falcon
Show me the figure for Planned Parenthood. As an act of good faith. Your point is well-taken, but I’d respectfully ask for confirmation.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:23:48pm |
re: #173 Simply Sarah
Ike would be a flat out communist.
The John Birch Society actually used to call him one.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:24:23pm |
re: #161 Killgore Trout
(insert Uranus joke here)
That wouldn’t work. Uranus is a gas giant. It’s solid core alone is bigger than Earth, and any superlaser shot would have to pass through a huge amount of gas and liquid to even get there. Even a full-power superlaser hit would not destroy a gas giant.
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Simply Sarah Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:24:25pm |
re: #175 moderatelyradicalliberal
The John Birch Society actually used to call him one.
Right. Which explains the current situation in nutshell very nicely.
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Usually refered to as anyways Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:24:30pm |
re: #131 MinisterO
Bingo. We’re spending half again what we take in, and we’ve been doing it for 30 years. During that time we’ve cut taxes for the wealthy over and over again under the premise that this would improve the situation. It’s only gotten worse. The ideological failure there is obvious to anyone who cares to look.
Your kidding right?
Do you know how much money the 1% have got?
I might be next in line to the top
/ If they let me.
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reidr Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:24:35pm |
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:25:13pm |
To those who posted the figures, thank you. Especially you, Obi.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:25:20pm |
re: #146 Stanley Sea
I think the psychology of loosing the Planned Parenthood battle is really really going to fuck up the socons. It was a huge point that backfired in my opinon.
Go big or go home. There are some fights you just cannot initiate, this was one of them. Now they’ve pissed off everybody.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:25:21pm |
re: #156 Varek Raith
Can I blow up Mercury?
Come on, my trigger finger is itchy!!!
Did you get a new Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator?
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:25:36pm |
The republicans are lucky the Dem aren’t as evil as they could be. If the Dems didn’t give a shit about the country (like the Republicans) they could have moved the goal posts at the last moment and left the Republicans holding the bag of blame for a shut down. It would have been very easy to fuck the Republicans on this deal.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:26:08pm |
re: #159 Obdicut
I’m not here during the day anymore, so I had not seen those posts.
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Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:26:31pm |
re: #183 Killgore Trout
The republicans are lucky the Dem aren’t as evil as they could be. If the Dems didn’t give a shit about the country (like the Republicans) they could have moved the goal posts at the last moment and left the Republicans holding the bag of blame for a shut down. It would have been very easy to fuck the Republicans and the rest of us on this deal.
Ahem.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:26:32pm |
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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:26:57pm |
re: #184 Dark_Falcon
Now that you’ve seen them, and you’ve seen the grotesque lies coming from the GOP about Planned Parenthood, why do you support the GOP’s attempt to defund them?
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Stanley Sea Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:27:00pm |
re: #157 moderatelyradicalliberal
Some tweets would suggest the Tea Party people aren’t happy either. They are calling for Boehner to be ousted.
Yep, just got a tweet about the teabaggers being pissed off at Boehner.
Ah, the troubles of trying to be anywhere center of the right/left crazy town.
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Desert Fox Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:27:02pm |
re: #53 Varek Raith
Or that we will have 150 billion dollar a year economic growth?
Not unreasonable.
The US GDP increased by more than $150B every year from 1983 to 2009 except two. (1990 & 2008).
Source: U.S. Dept of Commerce
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:27:09pm |
re: #179 reidr
Troll rules engaged, rest safely ignored.
What kind of bullshit is that? You may not agree with Rwmofo, but he’s not a troll, and has been an active contributor for over 2 years. If he’s a troll, what the fuck are you, a jerk?
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:27:15pm |
re: #165 Dark_Falcon
And I got what I really wanted. Yes, the socon riders got dropped, but they were not vital to me. And they were dropped in exchange for spending reductions, which is a tiny step towards fixing the problem Republicans were sent to DC to fix.
Fixing the problems is going to take more than simply cutting money from programs that the Repubs don’t agree with. I know you hate to hear it, but your ox is going to have to be gored, the defense budget is going to have to be cut, if you want to see serious drops in the deficit.
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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:28:14pm |
re: #192 Walter L. Newton
You guys should really form a union.
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MinisterO Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:28:17pm |
re: #192 Walter L. Newton
What kind of bullshit is that? You may not agree with Rwmofo, but he’s not a troll, and has been an active contributor for over 2 years. If he’s a troll, what the fuck are you, a jerk?
He’s trolling with the media/Democrat Party thing. Fuck you.
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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:28:49pm |
re: #193 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Taxes will have to be raised. Medical costs will have to be dealt with; that’s one of the largest costs for both private and public. This will take actual, serious approaches, not just grandstanding based on fantasy.
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dog philosopher Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:29:04pm |
KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK IS THIS THING ON???
could the conservatives on this thread at least acknowledge that the progressives here have proposed several significant deficit cutting measures?
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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:29:06pm |
re: #182 negativ
Did you get a new Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator?
Who needs one of those EXTERMINATUS!
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Just never mind. Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:29:27pm |
re: #193 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Not to mention Medicare…
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Stanley Sea Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:29:39pm |
re: #189 Stanley Sea
Yep, just got a tweet about the teabaggers being pissed off at Boehner.
Ah, the troubles of trying to be anywhere center of the right/left crazy town.
HotlineReid Reid Wilson
by owillis
Watch out, not every Republican loves this bill. One chief of staff to a freshman: “We’ve been sold out.” More to come…
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Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:30:13pm |
re: #192 Walter L. Newton
What kind of bullshit is that? You may not agree with Rwmofo, but he’s not a troll, and has been an active contributor for over 2 years. If he’s a troll, what the fuck are you, a jerk?
All that means is that he’s been trolling for two years…
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Political Atheist Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:30:41pm |
re: #197 engineer dog
I have no problem with that statement.
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Interesting Times Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:30:58pm |
re: #199 Floral Giraffe
Not to mention Medicare…
Which Paul Ryan is so brave and courageous for wanting to do away with!!11!!1! *swoon*
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:31:33pm |
re: #196 Obdicut
Taxes will have to be raised. Medical costs will have to be dealt with; that’s one of the largest costs for both private and public. This will take actual, serious approaches, not just grandstanding based on fantasy.
Exactly. Everything must be on the table, and that includes new/higher taxes, in addition to the cuts to entitlement programs and defense spending. Also on the table should be serious looks into whether our fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan continues to be worthwhile or should be brought to an end and those units there returned stateside.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:31:54pm |
re: #165 Dark_Falcon
And I got what I really wanted. Yes, the socon riders got dropped, but they were not vital to me. And they were dropped in exchange for spending reductions, which is a tiny step towards fixing the problem Republicans were sent to DC to fix.
They GOP haven’t fixed anything. Unfortunately, they have wasted so much time on the stupid social issues that they have ruined any credibility that they may had obtained from their overwhelming successes in Nov.
They shot themselves in their own foot, and anything form here on in is going to be an uphill battle. They could have played this from a real position of power, but instead, they decided to divide and conquer. The only problem is, all they wound up doing is dividing… dividing their own base and the independents that had supported them.
They fucked it up royally.
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Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:31:54pm |
re: #204 publicityStunted
Just need Frank Luntz to come up with the right phrasing to get them on board.
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reidr Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:31:55pm |
re: #192 Walter L. Newton
What kind of bullshit is that? You may not agree with Rwmofo, but he’s not a troll, and has been an active contributor for over 2 years. If he’s a troll, what the fuck are you, a jerk?
You know what, piss off. It was blatant bullshit.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:32:11pm |
Deal or no deal. These deep cuts will hurt the economy. Recovery, in terms of GDP and unemployment, will be slower than it has been and is projected to be without the cuts.
Anyone is free to bookmark this claim and call me on it Q3 2012, if in fact that hasn’t been the case. I will bring it up either way, should I remember.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:32:15pm |
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Stanley Sea Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:32:23pm |
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sagehen Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:32:25pm |
re: #140 Dark_Falcon
Nobody ‘rolled over’. Both sides gave up something they wanted in exchange for getting something else they wanted more. The final agreement lets neither party call out “Victory!” but rather allows them to both same “We made a good deal and got what we needed.” That is the essence of compromise in divided government.
Yeah.
Democrats wanted not to throw 800,000 people out of work, for houses in escrow to be able to complete the sales, for national parks and monuments to remain open, for soldiers to get their paychecks, and for women to get their contraceptives and pap smears.
Republicans accepted the hideous sacrifice of allowing these things, in the spirit of compromise.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:32:35pm |
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:32:56pm |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:33:41pm |
re: #203 Rightwingconspirator
I have no problem with that statement.
It does raise an interesting question. Just as either side could potentially be blamed for a shut down by the public, either side could potentially claim credit for the spending cuts. It’s not unpossible that the winguts handed Obama a victory.
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reidr Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:34:09pm |
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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:34:47pm |
re: #205 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
And what is mostly needed is reform of spending. You reform spending, then you get cuts. If you cut without actually making provisions for what you’re cutting, all you’re doing is inviting long-term costs down the road.
Cut the food programs that the GOP wanted to cut? You get more homelessness, more petty crime, more kids unable to ever get a real education, dropping out of school. And that costs us money.
The point shouldn’t be ‘cutting’. It should be ‘spending less’.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:34:50pm |
re: #216 reidr
No thanks. No one asked you to jump in and hurl insults.
Right ducky… I did it on my own.
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dog philosopher Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:35:02pm |
re: #195 MinisterO
He’s trolling with the media/Democrat Party thing. Fuck you.
indeed
one more time - i know that the media must be dominated by liberals since rush limbaugh, sean hannity, glen beck, laura ingraham, david brooks, the wall st journal, the washington times, the new york post, rupert murdoch, anne coulter, and the entire staff at fox “news” tell me it must be so
uh - who is left to be in the liberal media?
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Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:35:14pm |
re: #215 Killgore Trout
It does raise an interesting question. Just as either side could potentially be blamed for a shut down by the public, either side could potentially claim credit for the spending cuts. It’s not unpossible that the winguts handed Obama a victory.
Heh. Ezra Klein was just on with O’Donnell talking about how it almost sounded like Obama and Reid were taking credit for the cuts.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:35:17pm |
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:35:18pm |
re: #215 Killgore Trout
It does raise an interesting question. Just as either side could potentially be blamed for a shut down by the public, either side could potentially claim credit for the spending cuts. It’s not unpossible that the winguts handed Obama a victory.
Hell, it’s certainly gonna have the Tea Partiers in a tizzy. They got promised $100 billion, pitched a fit when Boehner went as high as $60 billion, and now are only getting $39 billion. There’s going to be a lot of cries next week of “Sell Outs!”
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Interesting Times Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:35:32pm |
re: #207 JasonA
Just need Frank Luntz to come up with the right phrasing to get them on board.
A breath of reality—not rhetoric—is how I describe Congressman Paul Ryan’s budget blueprint to slash $6.2 trillion in deficit spending over the next ten years, reform entitlements to keep them solvent, and put our nation on a path to balanced budgets.
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ElCapitanAmerica Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:35:35pm |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:36:52pm |
re: #206 Walter L. Newton
They GOP haven’t fixed anything. Unfortunately, they have wasted so much time on the stupid social issues that they have ruined any credibility that they may had obtained from their overwhelming successes in Nov.
They shot themselves in their own foot, and anything form here on in is going to be an uphill battle. They could have played this from a real position of power, but instead, they decided to divide and conquer. The only problem is, all they wound up doing is dividing… dividing their own base and the independents that had supported them.
They fucked it up royally.
They fucked up royally by making clear what their real priorities are. They lied to those independents about what they would do when they got back in control again. No matter what they say about the deficit or spending, they used the opportunity given to them to try to do things they have always wanted to do and the Ryan budget is no different. Tax cuts for the rich, gut the social safety net for everyone else, and attack women’s reproductive rights. Anybody who thinks the GOP is about anything else is insane. They have no other agenda.
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:36:57pm |
re: #217 Obdicut
And what is mostly needed is reform of spending. You reform spending, then you get cuts. If you cut without actually making provisions for what you’re cutting, all you’re doing is inviting long-term costs down the road.
Cut the food programs that the GOP wanted to cut? You get more homelessness, more petty crime, more kids unable to ever get a real education, dropping out of school. And that costs us money.
The point shouldn’t be ‘cutting’. It should be ‘spending less’.
Ayep, we need serious reform from top to bottom, from the taxes we rely upon for revenue to the programs we spend that revenue on. There’s billions there that could be saved, reinvested, or used to pay down the debt. Saying that the only solution is going after one type of spending or the other is not only asinine, it’s partisanship writ large.
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Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:37:05pm |
re: #223 publicityStunted
*gigglesnort*
Never thought I’d hear 2.8% unemployment and “reality” in the same sentence.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:37:17pm |
re: #192 Walter L. Newton
What kind of bullshit is that? You may not agree with Rwmofo, but he’s not a troll, and has been an active contributor for over 2 years. If he’s a troll, what the fuck are you, a jerk?
Rwmofo has declared openly, many times, that he comes around to rile people up and leave.
He may be a long-time troll with ties in the community, but he is, basically, a troll.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:37:30pm |
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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:37:37pm |
re: #220 JasonA
Heh. Ezra Klein was just on with O’Donnell talking about how it almost sounded like Obama and Reid were taking credit for the cuts.
The GOP allowed them to. By the GOP clearly showing that their main objectives were the defunding of the EPA, Planned Parenthood, and NPR, they left Obama and the Democrats looking like the responsible adults. The GOP said ‘we want cuts!”. The Democrats said “Okay.” The GOP said, “And we want the cuts to be in service to our bullshit so-con agenda and our anti-science lunacy!” and the Democrats stood firm.
Assuming the Democrats don’t manage to throw it all away over the next three days, of course.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:37:37pm |
re: #220 JasonA
Heh. Ezra Klein was just on with O’Donnell talking about how it almost sounded like Obama and Reid were taking credit for the cuts.
It might be a tough sell to the public but it could work.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:37:46pm |
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avanti Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:38:06pm |
re: #206 Walter L. Newton
They GOP haven’t fixed anything. Unfortunately, they have wasted so much time on the stupid social issues that they have ruined any credibility that they may had obtained from their overwhelming successes in Nov.
They shot themselves in their own foot, and anything form here on in is going to be an uphill battle. They could have played this from a real position of power, but instead, they decided to divide and conquer. The only problem is, all they wound up doing is dividing… dividing their own base and the independents that had supported them.
They fucked it up royally.
Yep, the GOP did the best they could with a fragmented party. The grown ups in the party wanted needed budget cuts, but the Tea Party would not go along without a few dozen extra riders on the bill that sunk them before they even started.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:38:37pm |
re: #226 moderatelyradicalliberal
They fucked up royally by making clear what their real priorities are. They lied to those independents about what they would do when they got back in control again. No matter what they say about the deficit or spending, they used the opportunity given to them to try to do things they have always wanted to do and the Ryan budget is no different. Tax cuts for the rich, gut the social safety net for everyone else, and attack women’s reproductive rights. Anybody who thinks the GOP is about anything else is insane. They have no other agenda.
I’m not sure… are you agreeing with me?
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reidr Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:38:46pm |
re: #218 Walter L. Newton
Right ducky… I did it on my own.
Feel free to throw your lot in with an obvious troll. Seems pretty stupid to me.
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Stanley Sea Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:38:47pm |
re: #215 Killgore Trout
It does raise an interesting question. Just as either side could potentially be blamed for a shut down by the public, either side could potentially claim credit for the spending cuts. It’s not unpossible that the winguts handed Obama a victory.
Oh, the tone (butthurt) definitely indicates that happened.
I’m not reading far & wide though, I may be spending too much time around same thinkers.
Tomorrow, the pundits SPEW.
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sagehen Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:39:24pm |
re: #165 Dark_Falcon
And I got what I really wanted. Yes, the socon riders got dropped, but they were not vital to me. And they were dropped in exchange for spending reductions, which is a tiny step towards fixing the problem Republicans were sent to DC to fix.
If they care so much about the deficit, why are they unwilling to consider any defense cuts? (and don’t say “it’s about security!!!”, Robert Gates has identified more than $100M worth of crap the Pentagon doesn’t even want but Congress keeps appropriating for it because it’s built in the appropriations committee’s districts).
If they care so much about the deficit, why aren’t they willing to close tax loopholes, or let the “temporary” Bush cuts expire on schedule?
And y’know, I seem to remember they were sent to DC to do something about jobs. Where are jobs, where are the jobs, where are the jobs, that was their battle cry daily for months leading up to the election. They took office more than 3 months ago, they have yet to propose a single jobs bill.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:39:46pm |
re: #229 SanFranciscoZionist
Rwmofo has declared openly, many times, that he comes around to rile people up and leave.
He may be a long-time troll with ties in the community, but he is, basically, a troll.
If he’s admitted to being a troll, then I apologize for my remarks. I’ve never seen him proclaim that, but I don’t see every comment here. My mistake if he has said that.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:39:50pm |
re: #222 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Hell, it’s certainly gonna have the Tea Partiers in a tizzy. They got promised $100 billion, pitched a fit when Boehner went as high as $60 billion, and now are only getting $39 billion. There’s going to be a lot of cries next week of “Sell Outs!”
I’s a bit confused about that number. Is it $39 billion or $39 billion on top of the $40 billion Obama proposed in his version of the budget?
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Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:40:01pm |
re: #237 Stanley Sea
Oh, the tone (butthurt) definitely indicates that happened.
I’m not reading far & wide though, I may be spending too much time around same thinkers.
Tomorrow, the pundits SPEW.
They’re working on the weekend?
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Lidane Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:40:12pm |
re: #224 ElCapitanAmerica
Awesome! hahahaha …
—-
teapartynation Judson Phillips
Boehner is selling us out tonight. We will primary Boehner next year. #tcot #teaparty #GOP #TPN #TPP #SGP
2 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply
Good. Let them go after Boehner in a presidential election year. I’m sure the GOP nominee will love to see the Speaker being primaried by the party base.
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avanti Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:40:59pm |
Wow, John Boehner’s Facebook page comments are not exactly a love fest.
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:41:31pm |
re: #240 moderatelyradicalliberal
I’s a bit confused about that number. Is it $39 billion or $39 billion on top of the $40 billion Obama proposed in his version of the budget?
My guess is that the $39 billion is the flat rate for the rest of the year. We likely won’t know what all it entails til some time late next week, when it’s all supposed to ironed out and voted upon.
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Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:41:42pm |
Heh. One no vote on the bill from the Senate: Rand Paul.
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sagehen Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:42:02pm |
re: #173 Simply Sarah
Ike would be a flat out communist.
That’s what the John Birch Society always said about him. A “willing, conscious agent of the Soviet Union” they called him.
Did I mention the John Birch Society was founded by the Koch Brothers’ Dad?
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Gus Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:43:00pm |
re: #242 Lidane
Good. Let them go after Boehner in a presidential election year. I’m sure the GOP nominee will love to see the Speaker being primaried by the party base.
That would be hilarious. Especially given that the RNC is going to pour in money towards the presidential election. Which would technically mean less for Boehner.
Looks like the Republican Party has fast become the party of political dramatica. They can’t seem able to do much of anything without resorting to widespread hysteria and pundit/blog driven propaganda based on half truths and outright lies.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:43:14pm |
re: #219 engineer dog
uh - who is left to be in the liberal media?
Those horrible leftists.
(although I would oppose them strenuously, I often wish that an actually viable, truly leftist party would emerge in the US. This is for the same reason that I wish radio blow-hards like Mark Levin especially who insist that Obama is a “tyrant” could spend a week in Libya or Burma.)
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:43:23pm |
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dog philosopher Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:43:39pm |
re: #206 Walter L. Newton
They GOP haven’t fixed anything. Unfortunately, they have wasted so much time on the stupid social issues that they have ruined any credibility that they may had obtained from their overwhelming successes in Nov.
They shot themselves in their own foot, and anything form here on in is going to be an uphill battle. They could have played this from a real position of power, but instead, they decided to divide and conquer. The only problem is, all they wound up doing is dividing… dividing their own base and the independents that had supported them.
They fucked it up royally.
geez walter i sure hope you are right about that
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Political Atheist Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:44:04pm |
re: #215 Killgore Trout
The public votes it’s pocketbook, not the Fed budget I’m afraid. I rear this will all be forgotten shortly. All this arguing about discretionary spending. It’s a distraction. The real deficit deal is either more revenue via strong growth (unlikely) tax increases (uncertain) and then comes the hard stuff-Medicare, 2.33 wars, interests on the debt (just wait until interest rates go up) etc. It’s not planned parenthood, it’s not a few fighter jets or ships more or less. It’s not welfare, or unemployment monies. Its big tax increases or big epic cuts.
Notice no discussion of paygo. No talk of a line item veto amendment. No talk about interest payments on the debt. No talk of war bonds, or any creative revenue sources. Nada. This (Tonight’s Dramatic Federal Shutdown Theatre) is a circus.
By July, it’s all about employment, gas & food prices. IMO. That will preserve or end the Obama administration.
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Interesting Times Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:44:22pm |
re: #243 avanti
Wow, John Boehner’s Facebook page comments are not exactly a love fest.
In response, he changed his profile pic.
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Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:45:06pm |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:45:53pm |
President Obama announces that House Republicans and Democrats have come to a tentative agreement on a government budget bill.
Kind of interesting to see his approach. He’s stressing the comprimise on both sides which is somewhat acceptable among libs but treason among conservatives. He might be able to spin this in his favor.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:45:55pm |
re: #250 engineer dog
geez walter i sure hope you are right about that
Of course I’m right about that. I’m always right.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:46:07pm |
re: #230 jamesfirecat
And bumblebees on their nickles.
You couldn’t get white onions, because of the war. Had to settle for yellow ones.
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Political Atheist Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:46:08pm |
re: #251 Rightwingconspirator
I rear this will all be forgotten shortly. All this arguing about discretionary spending.
Err, I fear this will all be….
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Gus Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:46:54pm |
re: #254 Killgore Trout
President Obama announces that House Republicans and Democrats have come to a tentative agreement on a government budget bill.
Kind of interesting to see his approach. He’s stressing the comprimise on both sides which is somewhat acceptable among libs but treason among conservatives. He might be able to spin this in his favor.
Thanks to the efforts of Speaker John Boehner…
Bwahahahaha!
//
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:47:07pm |
re: #251 Rightwingconspirator
The public votes it’s pocketbook, not the Fed budget I’m afraid. I rear this will all be forgotten shortly. All this arguing about discretionary spending. It’s a distraction. The real deficit deal is either more revenue via strong growth (unlikely) tax increases (uncertain) and then comes the hard stuff-Medicare, 2.33 wars, interests on the debt (just wait until interest rates go up) etc. It’s not planned parenthood, it’s not a few fighter jets or ships more or less. It’s not welfare, or unemployment monies. Its big tax increases or big epic cuts.
Notice no discussion of paygo. No talk of a line item veto amendment. No talk about interest payments on the debt. No talk of war bonds, or any creative revenue sources. Nada. This (Tonight’s Dramatic Federal Shutdown Theatre) is a circus.
By July, it’s all about employment, gas & food prices. IMO. That will preserve or end the Obama administration.
Well said. I agree.
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sagehen Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:47:19pm |
re: #219 engineer dog
indeed
one more time - i know that the media must be dominated by liberals since rush limbaugh, sean hannity, glen beck, laura ingraham, david brooks, the wall st journal, the washington times, the new york post, rupert murdoch, anne coulter, and the entire staff at fox “news” tell me it must be so
uh - who is left to be in the liberal media?
MSNBC, and Comedy Central.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:47:45pm |
re: #235 Walter L. Newton
I’m not sure… are you agreeing with me?
I agreed they fucked. I also told you the real reasons for the fuck up. They were over confident after their win in November and because of it they were fool enough to tip their hand about their real agenda. I don’t vote for Democrats because I’m always in love with them, but I will never vote for the GOP because no matter what they say, I know that they will always try to enact their socon agenda which I am firmly against. I knew the TPers were full shit when they said it was only about spending and deficits. They just don’t like money being spent on programs and people that they don’t like. The cuts that the GOP wanted reflected that and they were not popular with a majority. Their fuck up was revealing how far out of the mainstream they truly are.
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:48:31pm |
re: #254 Killgore Trout
President Obama announces that House Republicans and Democrats have come to a tentative agreement on a government budget bill.
Kind of interesting to see his approach. He’s stressing the comprimise on both sides which is somewhat acceptable among libs but treason among conservatives. He might be able to spin this in his favor.
Yeah, as much as Dems may dislike the $39 billion, the Tea Partiers are spittin’ nails over the fact that Boehner “sold them out” for anything less than $100 billion. Saying that it was a compromise agreement only grinds the salt deeper into the wound.
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prairiefire Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:49:11pm |
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:49:26pm |
re: #261 moderatelyradicalliberal
I agreed they fucked. I also told you the real reasons for the fuck up. They were over confident after their win in November and because of it they were fool enough to tip their hand about their real agenda. I don’t vote for Democrats because I’m always in love with them, but I will never vote for the GOP because no matter what they say, I know that they will always try to enact their socon agenda which I am firmly against. I knew the TPers were full shit when they said it was only about spending and deficits. They just don’t like money being spent on programs and people that they don’t like. The cuts that the GOP wanted reflected that and they were not popular with a majority. Their fuck up was revealing how far out of the mainstream they truly are.
I agree with you… but I’m still confused… no matter… it’s just me.
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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:49:41pm |
This song seems appropriate
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:50:04pm |
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:51:07pm |
re: #224 ElCapitanAmerica
Awesome! hahahaha …
—-
teapartynation Judson Phillips
Boehner is selling us out tonight. We will primary Boehner next year. #tcot #teaparty #GOP #TPN #TPP #SGP
2 hours ago Favorite Retweet Replyteapartynation Judson Phillips
Will boehner sell us out tonight or will he stand firm? I wish I was optimistic. #tcot #teaparty #tpn #GOP
2 hours ago
—-
[Link: twitter.com…]
Some people don’t know when they’ve won enough and it’s time wlak away from the table:
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:51:45pm |
re: #267 Dark_Falcon
Some people don’t know when they’ve won enough and it’s time wlak away from the table:
[Video]
Like you.
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Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:52:39pm |
Pretty sure the wingnuts are just pissed that the government isn’t shutting down.
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elizajane Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:52:57pm |
I know it’s unkind to enjoy the pain of others, but the comments on Hot Air are the most cheering reading I’ve had in days.
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Lidane Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:53:19pm |
re: #258 Gus 802
Thanks to the efforts of Speaker John Boehner…
Bwahahahaha!
//
I’m sure the teabaggers love hearing that. Heh.
Has anyone been brave enough to check and see how the Freepers are taking this? I’d imagine a lot of heads are exploding there tonight.
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:53:56pm |
re: #271 elizajane
I know it’s unkind to enjoy the pain of others, but the comments on Hot Air are the most cheering reading I’ve had in days.
It’s not the best flavor of schadenfreude, but when in Rome…
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:54:24pm |
re: #254 Killgore Trout
Dear Jesus, that link! “Choose an ad that appeals to you. Otherwise, an ad will be chosen at random.”
Fucking corporate America just told me to go pick out a switch with which I’m to be flogged, otherwise they’ll pick one for me.
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webevintage Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:54:40pm |
re: #271 elizajane
I know it’s unkind to enjoy the pain of others, but the comments on Hot Air are the most cheering reading I’ve had in days.
I’m glad they are unhappy because Ezra Klein on MSNBC made me feel like the Dems probably gave away too much.
Not that we actually know what is in the deal….
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moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:54:40pm |
re: #258 Gus 802
Thanks to the efforts of Speaker John Boehner…
Bwahahahaha!
//
Kill ‘em with kindness.
Polls show that Independents and Democrats favored compromise and Republicans being against compromise. So this may explain why the President is emphasizing both side’s compromising. ;)
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Gus Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:54:46pm |
re: #272 Lidane
I’m sure the teabaggers love hearing that. Heh.
Has anyone been brave enough to check and see how the Freepers are taking this? I’d imagine a lot of heads are exploding there tonight.
Sounds like a job for KT!
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sagehen Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:54:49pm |
re: #258 Gus 802
Thanks to the efforts of Speaker John Boehner…
Bwahahahaha!
//
Don’t you love the jujitsu? He can eviscerate his opponents by saying nice things about them.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:55:04pm |
re: #271 elizajane
I know it’s unkind to enjoy the pain of others, but the comments on Hot Air are the most cheering reading I’ve had in days.
Straight-A students getting “B”s
Exes getting STDs
Waking doormen from their naps
Watching tourists reading maps
Football players getting tackled
CEOs getting shackled
That’s schadenfreude… making the world a better place to be!
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:55:11pm |
I have one of the Death & Taxes posters hanging on the wall next to me at all times. It is quite nice, and viewable online: wallstats.com
Each time I hear about a program cut, tax cut, etc I immediately observe it in relation to the rest of the budget for some perspective. As Rightwingconspirator points out, all this wrangling recently really doesn’t lead to any of the serious discussion we need to have to get the budget, and debit, under control.
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Robert O. Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:55:21pm |
re: #243 avanti
Wow! I am not a fan of John Boehner. But seeing the level of Teabagger hatred for the Speaker did the impossible - it actually (cough) gave me some new respect for him at having to put up with the delusional rantings of his base! Who knows? Maybe he is personally not even as extreme as these Teabaggers but he has to kowtow to them to keep his salary - I certainly couldn’t blame him for looking after No. 1.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:55:33pm |
re: #264 Walter L. Newton
I agree with you… but I’m still confused… no matter… it’s just me.
No, I think in these times we are all a little bit confused.
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Lidane Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:55:46pm |
re: #271 elizajane
I know it’s unkind to enjoy the pain of others, but the comments on Hot Air are the most cheering reading I’ve had in days.
One of my favorites from there so far:
F-U GOP.
From this day forward, I work to defeat you and your progressive friends. The GOP is dead to me. I may be nothing more than a small business owner, but I have connections to a lot of big people in the private sector and military. I will from this day on, be against you in everything you do.I love Sarah Palin, but if she runs on the GOP ticket, I will work to defeat even her.
F-U GOP. I cut the thousands of dollars in losses my family has sent to you.
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Just never mind. Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:57:06pm |
re: #281 prononymous
It’s sold out.
:(
Cool idea, though!
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:57:11pm |
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webevintage Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:57:21pm |
re: #284 Lidane
One of my favorites from there so far:
I love Sarah Palin, but if she runs on the GOP ticket, I will work to defeat even her.
Man that is one pissed off TeaBagger….
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moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:57:22pm |
re: #270 JasonA
Pretty sure the wingnuts are just pissed that the government isn’t shutting down.
This. A thousand times.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:57:33pm |
re: #284 Lidane
One of my favorites from there so far:
The GOP is dead to me. I may be nothing more than a small business owner, but I have connections to a lot of big people in the private sector and military. I will from this day on, be against you in everything you do.
Well, I guess it’s war then.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:58:24pm |
re: #270 JasonA
Pretty sure the wingnuts are just pissed that the government isn’t shutting down.
I’m happy, though. The CR will finally be lifted, and I can get back to selling to government people. The agreement is something in which sane people can be satisfied, as Karl Rove is sure to remind Republicans. He and Boener must push that message, just as Obama and Reid are doing. Compromise is needed these days.
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avanti Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:58:33pm |
I’m confused, but then again, I’m watching Fox. They are reporting the GOP “eat the Dems lunch” , major victory for the Tea Party”, the Dems only got a “small bone toss”, WTF ?
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Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:59:20pm |
re: #284 Lidane
I work to defeat you and your progressive friends.
Sooo… I really want to hear the plan behind this one.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:59:39pm |
re: #285 Floral Giraffe
It’s sold out.
:(
Cool idea, though!
Drats. :(
It’s still usable, but not quite as nice online.
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Gus Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:59:42pm |
I expected this to happen. You can’t come to an agreement on a budget you put in an interim or stop gap budget until you can come to an agreement. Happens all the time. This will however be upsetting for the extremists who called for a government shutdown instead. Many, and this includes the Tea Party, expected the House GOP to take a hard line such as this. Thus, they see this temporary compromise as a capitulation by Boehner and other GOP leaders.
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brennant Fri, Apr 8, 2011 8:59:51pm |
re: #291 avanti
I’m confused, but then again, I’m watching Fox. They are reporting the GOP “eat the Dems lunch” , major victory for the Tea Party”, the Dems only got a “small bone toss”, WTF ?
Did you expect anything different?!
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Interesting Times Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:00:06pm |
My screenshot of some choice comments from Boehner’s Facebook page.
lulz
as long as you don’t really think about the ramifications of the weapons-grade stupid therein…
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moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:00:08pm |
re: #289 SanFranciscoZionist
The GOP is dead to me. I may be nothing more than a small business owner, but I have connections to a lot of big people in the private sector and military. I will from this day on, be against you in everything you do.
Well, I guess it’s war then.
I know some people, who know some people, who know some people……….Get my drift?
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Lidane Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:00:18pm |
More Boehner love from Hot Air:
Does John Boehner know how Congress works?
Cuz HE … IS … THE … ONE … THAT … PROMISED … THE … $100B … IN … CUTS.
Let me ask you this – is that the way Congress works? The Speaker gets up in front of his base at CPAC in February – PROMISES $100B in cuts and then completely blows off the promise?
Is that how it’s supposed to work? I’m not supposed to believe anything the Speaker says?
WTF dude.
Boehner mad a promise – it’s not my fault he couldn’t deliver on it. Why didn’t he tell people at CPAC … “Hey, you guys just don’t understand how congress works?”
He made his bed – he can sleep in it.
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Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:00:39pm |
re: #291 avanti
I’m confused, but then again, I’m watching Fox.
Okay, I’m gonna stop you right there…
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:00:40pm |
re: #284 Lidane
One of my favorites from there so far:
My response to lunatic teabagger: Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:01:15pm |
re: #291 avanti
I’m confused, but then again, I’m watching Fox. They are reporting the GOP “eat the Dems lunch” , major victory for the Tea Party”, the Dems only got a “small bone toss”, WTF ?
re: #297 moderatelyradicalliberal
I know some people, who know some people, who know some people…Get my drift?
I’m kind of a big deal at all you can eat buffets.
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Gus Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:01:16pm |
re: #296 publicityStunted
My screenshot of some choice comments from Boehner’s Facebook page.
lulz
as long as you don’t really think about the ramifications of the weapons-grade stupid therein…
Quack! They’re freaking out! lol
Drink!
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moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:01:34pm |
re: #290 Dark_Falcon
I’m happy, though. The CR will finally be lifted, and I can get back to selling to government people. The agreement is something in which sane people can be satisfied, as Karl Rove is sure to remind Republicans. He and Boener must push that message, just as Obama and Reid are doing. Compromise is needed these days.
If that’s the case then they most certainly won’t do it. If Obama is doing, they won’t do it. They are against everything he does on “principle”.
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b_sharp Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:03:31pm |
re: #162 moderatelyradicalliberal
+1. They can kiss my natural black ass.
Got here late, so you may not be here.
What the hell would be an unnatural black ass?
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Gus Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:03:36pm |
Freepers chime in!
Boner just handed a huge immoral victory to Satan and the democrats.
Ron Paul 2012. Wake up! Two years work backing the GOP. For this!!!
GOP SURRENDER
GOP=Whigs
I am sorry. You need to wake up. The GOP is scamming you. Like the Rats scam the Blacks. Do not be a Sap.
“What a bunch of PUSSIES! The GOP is worthless.” They darn well better defund Planned Deathhood next year!!!
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moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:03:45pm |
re: #298 Lidane
More Boehner love from Hot Air:
Are these people new to politics or what? Are they naive or just stone cold stupid? They never expect to have a politician not be able to deliver a promise? Bless their hearts.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:03:53pm |
re: #291 avanti
I’m confused, but then again, I’m watching Fox. They are reporting the GOP “eat the Dems lunch” , major victory for the Tea Party”, the Dems only got a “small bone toss”, WTF ?
Fox wants to portray this as a GOP victory. Sean Hannity, Dick Morris and their ilk know that a compromise had to be reached at some point, so now they’re working to reconcile their base to it. By spouting like that, Fox is actually playing it smart, IMO. “Smart” in this case though doesn’t mean “accurate”. But that’s where you find yourself when you traffic in BS.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:04:59pm |
re: #301 Dark_Falcon
My response to lunatic teabagger: Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
That person’s comment made it hard to believe they were even old enough to vote.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:05:14pm |
re: #304 moderatelyradicalliberal
If that’s the case then they most certainly won’t do it. If Obama is doing, they won’t do it. They are against everything he does on “principle”.
“Hussein is being pragmatic? Well then I’ll be…whatever is the opposite of pragmatic.”
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What, me worry? Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:05:24pm |
What the world wants to know is…will Boehner start crying?
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:05:36pm |
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Lidane Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:05:37pm |
re: #308 moderatelyradicalliberal
Are these people new to politics or what? Are they naive or just stone cold stupid? They never expect to have a politician not be able to deliver a promise? Bless their hearts.
Haha. I know, right?
Someone else is predicting that Rand Paul will bravely filibuster the debt ceiling vote and that it will fail, so all isn’t lost yet. I want to send these people Snuggies so they can get a hug when their dreams are shattered.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:06:03pm |
re: #312 marjoriemoon
What the world wants to know is…will Boehner start crying?
What I want to know is when he will stop crying.
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Mich-again Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:06:08pm |
I am a little surprised its pretty much the same people with the anti-import bumper sticker mentality who think its a good idea for the USA to scale back the economy while the bad guy Japan struggles with supplying their customer base. We should be ramping up to replace every product their power shortages will make them unable to provide. Thats what people do when they want to win. What the tea baggers want to do is like stopping and waiting for the other guy to get back up on his bike before continuing the race. F that. Whose side are they on?
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Fenris Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:06:25pm |
That actually puts me in a bit of a dilemma. I now want to remind my whole district for the next 19 months that they voted for a bunch of anarchists. However, I too voted for them because the only other choice was a Tea Party Democrat.
Whatever shall I do?
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moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:06:28pm |
re: #305 b_sharp
Got here late, so you may not be here.
What the hell would be an unnatural black ass?
LOL! It’s a term we like to use and very much enjoy using when we get the chance. I think it means my naked black ass.
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:06:38pm |
re: #309 Dark_Falcon
Fox wants to portray this as a GOP victory. Sean Hannity, Dick Morris and their ilk know that a compromise had to be reached at some point, so now they’re working to reconcile their base to it. By spouting like that, Fox is actually playing it smart, IMO. “Smart” in this case though doesn’t mean “accurate”. But that’s where you find yourself when you traffic in BS.
Time to play damage control. Trying to put a bit of spice on that shit sandwich in the hopes that the TPers will stop their grumbling and take a bite.
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Stanley Sea Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:06:53pm |
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Gus Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:07:29pm |
Super freak Tweets:
@BryanJFischer Bryan Fischer
Word: Boehner has accepted deal that funds Planned Parenthood for rest of year, way less than $61 billion in cuts. Absolutely unacceptable.
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avanti Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:07:33pm |
The house is taking up the bill as I type, interesting speeches coming up I would imagine.
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dog philosopher Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:08:01pm |
more freeperognomy
Just go away, Boehner. Thanks for handing the scum zero and Reid a victory so they can parade about on TV. Grow a pair, you weakling
Is anyone up for helping to Primary Boehner?
Boehner is history!!! They agreed to kill babies. VOTE NO!!!
Think of the murdered humanity. That sorry Boehner SUCKS!!! This was a set up until everyone went to bed!!! Republicans blink!! republicans blink!! Get these people out of our party. I am Tea Party. I am outraged!!! NO BABY BLOOD FOR THESE BASTARDS!!!
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:08:03pm |
re: #320 Stanley Sea
ha, yes. The Uterus approves.
It has the GOP in its pocket.
/low hanging fruit.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:08:03pm |
re: #319 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Time to play damage control. Trying to put a bit of spice on that shit sandwich in the hopes that the TPers will stop their grumbling and take a bite.
All budget compromise is a shit sandwich. That’s the definition of a budget compromise.
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Stanley Sea Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:08:53pm |
re: #279 sagehen
Don’t you love the jujitsu? He can eviscerate his opponents by saying nice things about them.
meep meep
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Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:08:53pm |
re: #321 Gus 802
Super freak Tweets:
@BryanJFischer Bryan Fischer
Word: Boehner has accepted deal that funds Planned Parenthood for rest of year, way less than $61 billion in cuts. Absolutely unacceptable.
Would he be alright with it if PP just stopped helping Muslim women?
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brennant Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:09:10pm |
re: #323 engineer dog
WOW. Wait I thought PP does not get fed $ for abortions?
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Lidane Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:09:24pm |
re: #319 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Time to play damage control. Trying to put a bit of spice on that shit sandwich in the hopes that the TPers will stop their grumbling and take a bite.
Here’s at least one guy who won’t bite. Man, the Hot Air comments are hilarious tonight. I’ve posted the blurb he’s responding to and his whole post:
Now THAT is funny! What are you going to do, vote Democrat? That is hilarious.
—-
Hell ya … I’ll vote Democrat. At this point there’s no real options to vote for any party that can save this nation – so why not vote for the one that will destroy it the fastest?
And besides – at this point, I hate the GOP leadership worse than I do the Democrat leadership. At least the Democratic leadership FIGHTS for what it believes in. Fights tooth and nail and doesn’t give up – not even after losing a historic election.
Got to hand it to them.
So yeah – I’ll goto the polls next time to get rid of these Republican elitist eunuchs.
Schadenfreude — it’s what’s for a midnight snack. ;)
| 330 |
Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:09:31pm |
re: #325 Dark_Falcon
All budget compromise is a shit sandwich. That’s the definition of a budget compromise.
Yeah, but this one is especially pungent to the TPers who thought that they were going to get their way after November. Compromise is a dirty word to them, since they’ve got themselves convinced that compromise is the root reason why we’re here in the first place.
| 331 |
b_sharp Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:10:11pm |
re: #284 Lidane
One of my favorites from there so far:
If he/she/it loves Palin, then he/she/it is probably anti-intellectual and assumes technology, medicine and all those fun things create themselves.
| 333 |
Lidane Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:10:41pm |
re: #328 brennant
WOW. Wait I thought PP does not get fed $ for abortions?
It doesn’t. They’re just idiots.
| 334 |
andres Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:10:51pm |
re: #305 b_sharp
Got here late, so you may not be here.
What the hell would be an unnatural black ass?
Boehner’s in 2020, if he continues his tanning sessions.
| 335 |
Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:11:05pm |
| 336 |
Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:11:26pm |
Boehner is history!!! They agreed to kill babies. VOTE NO!!!Think of the murdered humanity. That sorry Boehner SUCKS!!! This was a set up until everyone went to bed!!! Republicans blink!! republicans blink!! Get these people out of our party. I am Tea Party. I am outraged!!! NO BABY BLOOD FOR THESE BASTARDS!!!
And the propaganda comes back to bite them in the ass. LOL. Delicious irony. I’ll have some of those sweet, sweet Boehner tears now.
| 337 |
brennant Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:11:59pm |
| 338 |
Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:12:50pm |
Weird how these people are fixated on what they haven’t won as opposed to what they have won.
| 339 |
What, me worry? Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:12:58pm |
re: #336 prononymous
And the propaganda comes back to bite them in the ass. LOL. Delicious irony. I’ll have some of those sweet, sweet Boehner tears now.
Boehner agreed to kill babies? Well that’s just not right.
340 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:13:00pm |
re: #323 engineer dog
more freeperognomy
Just go away, Boehner. Thanks for handing the scum zero and Reid a victory so they can parade about on TV. Grow a pair, you weakling
Is anyone up for helping to Primary Boehner?
Boehner is history!!! They agreed to kill babies. VOTE NO!!!
Think of the murdered humanity. That sorry Boehner SUCKS!!! This was a set up until everyone went to bed!!! Republicans blink!! republicans blink!! Get these people out of our party. I am Tea Party. I am outraged!!! NO BABY BLOOD FOR THESE BASTARDS!!!
I for one vote eagerly for oceans and rivers and tributaries of baby blood
| 341 |
First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:13:03pm |
re: #267 Dark_Falcon
Some people don’t know when they’ve won enough and it’s time wlak away from the table:
[Video]
You just came dangerously close to quoting Kenny Rogers -
YOU GOTTA KNOOOOW WHENTA HOLDUM
KNOW WHENTA FOLDUM
KNOW WHENTA WALKAWAY
N’ KNOW WHENTA RUN
YOU NEVER COUNT CHORE MUNNEH
WHEN YER SITTIN AT THE TAY-BUL
THERE’LL BE TIME NUFF FER COUNTIN
WHEN THE DEELINZ DUN
ya pikta fine time to leave me Lucile
four ugly children
and a crotch that won’t heal
(My mother had the shittiest taste in music, and constantly played Kenny Rogers, Ronnie Milsap, and The Fucking Oak Ridge Boys all the damned time. No life at all in the house of dolls.)
| 342 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:13:44pm |
re: #339 marjoriemoon
Boehner agreed to kill babies? Well that’s just not right.
When are these clowns in congress gonna understand you just can’t kill babies all the time?
| 343 |
Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:13:49pm |
re: #340 WindUpBird
I for one vote eagerly for oceans and rivers and tributaries of baby blood
We liberals bathe in it regularly. Keeps the skin supple.
| 344 |
reidr Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:14:01pm |
re: #340 WindUpBird
I for one vote eagerly for oceans and rivers and tributaries of baby blood
One of cthulu’s platforms, I assume?
| 345 |
Mich-again Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:14:05pm |
I just don’t understand the logic behind why an all powerful God needs political support.
| 346 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:14:07pm |
re: #343 JasonA
We liberals bathe in it regularly. Keeps the skin supple.
Countess Bathory was onto something
| 347 |
Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:14:29pm |
re: #345 Mich-again
I just don’t understand the logic behind why an all powerful God needs political support.
Or a starship…
| 348 |
Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:14:36pm |
re: #338 JasonA
Weird how these people are fixated on what they haven’t won as opposed to what they have won.
They can’t see past the fact that the Democrats talked them down below the $100 billion mark. It’s especially stinging that they talked down past even the $60 billion mark that Boehner was talking just a month ago.
| 349 |
Lidane Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:14:36pm |
re: #345 Mich-again
I just don’t understand the logic behind why an all powerful God needs political support.
Or why he needs cash every Sunday.
| 350 |
First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:14:40pm |
re: #271 elizajane
I know it’s unkind to enjoy the pain of others, but the comments on Hot Air are the most cheering reading I’ve had in days.
Schadenfreude ist die schönste Freude.
| 351 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:14:44pm |
| 352 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:15:13pm |
re: #328 brennant
WOW. Wait I thought PP does not get fed $ for abortions?
They don’t. Federal moneys cannot be used for abortions. Same way Kaiser gets federal money, but cannot use it for abortions.
But there has been an intense, dishonest and ongoing disinformation campaign to make people believe otherwise. Closely related to the campaign to convince people that the healthcare bill would pay for abortions.
| 353 |
brennant Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:15:50pm |
| 354 |
Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:15:56pm |
re: #347 JasonA
Or a starship…
So he can get his ass as far away from these crazy humans as possible…
| 355 |
Boyo Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:16:12pm |
re: #352 SanFranciscoZionist
They don’t. Federal moneys cannot be used for abortions. Same way Kaiser gets federal money, but cannot use it for abortions.
But there has been an intense, dishonest and ongoing disinformation campaign to make people believe otherwise. Closely related to the campaign to convince people that the healthcare bill would pay for abortions.
is this why some one like dark falcon agrees that pp should be defunded?
i tried asking him but he never responded..
| 356 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:16:31pm |
re: #349 Lidane
Or why he needs cash every Sunday.
That’s needed for the child molesting settlements.
357 |
theheat Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:16:31pm |
re: #349 Lidane
Because God is terrible with money. He means well, but he’s terrible with money.
| 358 |
reidr Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:16:51pm |
| 359 |
moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:17:08pm |
re: #305 b_sharp
Got here late, so you may not be here.
What the hell would be an unnatural black ass?
LOL! It’s a term we like to use and very much enjoy using when we get the chance. I think it means my naked black ass.
| 360 |
goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:17:13pm |
| 361 |
Gus Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:17:23pm |
re: #356 Killgore Trout
That’s needed for the child molesting settlements.
lol I think I just saw about 100 people make a screenshot of that.
Butthurt to follow.
| 362 |
brennant Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:17:39pm |
| 363 |
Lidane Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:17:43pm |
Heh:
I told you Bachmann wasn’t going to vote for this. She should have been Speaker. It’s always the same old good old boys. I was very disappointed to see Ryan standing behind Boehner when he gave his concession speech, I mean victory speech…. riiiight
| 364 |
Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:18:27pm |
| 365 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:19:27pm |
re: #341 negativ
You just came dangerously close to quoting Kenny Rogers -
YOU GOTTA KNOOOW WHENTA HOLDUM
KNOW WHENTA FOLDUM
KNOW WHENTA WALKAWAY
N’ KNOW WHENTA RUN
YOU NEVER COUNT CHORE MUNNEH
WHEN YER SITTIN AT THE TAY-BUL
THERE’LL BE TIME NUFF FER COUNTIN
WHEN THE DEELINZ DUNya pikta fine time to leave me Lucile
four ugly children
and a crotch that won’t heal(My mother had the shittiest taste in music, and constantly played Kenny Rogers, Ronnie Milsap, and The Fucking Oak Ridge Boys all the damned time. No life at all in the house of dolls.)
The video I posted was of Kenny Roger singing The Gambler on The Muppet Show.
| 368 |
moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:20:21pm |
re: #346 WindUpBird
Countess Bathory was onto something
Amateur! She used virgin blood. We liberals are way ahead of her.
| 370 |
First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:20:35pm |
re: #365 Dark_Falcon
The video I posted was of Kenny Roger singing The Gambler on The Muppet Show.
Well then I dodged a bullet by not playing it.
| 371 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:20:45pm |
re: #323 engineer dog
more freeperognomy
Just go away, Boehner. Thanks for handing the scum zero and Reid a victory so they can parade about on TV. Grow a pair, you weakling
Is anyone up for helping to Primary Boehner?
Boehner is history!!! They agreed to kill babies. VOTE NO!!!
Think of the murdered humanity. That sorry Boehner SUCKS!!! This was a set up until everyone went to bed!!! Republicans blink!! republicans blink!! Get these people out of our party. I am Tea Party. I am outraged!!! NO BABY BLOOD FOR THESE BASTARDS!!!
Really, you could boil all those comments down to the single word “DERP!”.
| 372 |
sagehen Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:20:56pm |
Oregon state legislature rick-rolls itself:
But Smith—who developed the concept with his wife, a few colleagues and several friends, one of whom is video editor—had a few rules about the joke. The lines had to be delivered on the House floor during a lawmaker’s regular floor speech—which is, under Oregon law, videotaped for public records purposes. And the lines of the lyrics had to be spread out, so as not to tip off the state House clerk or other observers to what lawmakers were up to.
“It was way harder taking words and spreading them out than simply manipulating them (on video),” Smith says. “There are some easy lines in there to say without getting noticed. ‘You’re never gonna’ is easy. ‘I just wanna tell you how I’m feeling’ is easy. But an ‘ooh?’ That’s tricky.”
| 373 |
Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:20:57pm |
re: #367 Gus 802
My fellow Americans, I am pleased to announce that I have just signed legislation that outlaws Russia forever. The bombing begins in five minutes.
/
| 374 |
Lidane Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:21:25pm |
| 375 |
Gus Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:21:49pm |
#
PsychoSix RT @GregWHoward: Any other Boehner apologists want to be instantly blocked by me? let me know. Don’t ever question my resolve #tcot #ocra #sgp #teaparty … - More »
Twitter - seconds ago
#
texasgalt Boehner got a 1b for the PP rider… $1250 per baby, annualized. Schumer, PP and Nags smile. Babies die. #tcot #unifiedpatriots
Twitter - seconds ago
#
SallyAlbright RT @teapartynation: Boehner is selling us out tonight. We will primary Boehner next year. #tcot #teaparty #GOP #TPN #TPP #SGP
Twitter - seconds ago
#
vadum Boehner’s crummy deal on the CR guarantees the MSM will paint our Debt Slavemaster-in-Chief Obama as the hero in all this. #tcot #p2
Twitter - seconds ago
#
jstetser RT @teapartynation: Boehner is selling us out tonight. We will primary Boehner next year. #tcot #teaparty #GOP #TPN #TPP #SGP
Twitter - 4 minutes ago
#
AndyHDavis RT @teapartynation: Boehner is selling us out tonight. We will primary Boehner next year. #tcot #teaparty #GOP #TPN #TPP #SGP
Twitter - 4 minutes ago
#
angrywhitedude Boehner sold us out for less than one week’s debt creation! Wussypants Repubs = Party of stupid! #tcot #gop
Twitter - 5 minutes ago
#
angrywhitedude Is there not ONE conservative in Ohio that can primary Boehner? #tcot #speakerboehner
Twitter - 6 minutes ago
| 376 |
brennant Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:22:05pm |
| 377 |
goddamnedfrank Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:22:30pm |
re: #370 negativ
Well then I dodged a bullet by not playing it.
You missed Muppets that drink whiskey and smoke.
| 381 |
Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:23:18pm |
re: #375 Gus 802
“angrywhitedude” says it all…
| 382 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:23:41pm |
re: #373 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
My fellow Americans, I am pleased to announce that I have just signed legislation that outlaws Russia forever. The bombing begins in five minutes.
/
Classic. The joke was made at the wrong time (Reagan was about to give a radio address and didn’t know the mike was already transmitting), but it was damn funny. Ronald Reagan had a good sense of humor. The Tea Party people who claim his legacy should develop their own sense of humor. It would help them greatly.
| 383 |
Stanley Sea Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:23:50pm |
re: #372 sagehen
Oregon state legislature rick-rolls itself:
[Video]
hilarious. That they spread it out during the day, more hilarious.
| 384 |
b_sharp Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:23:51pm |
re: #318 moderatelyradicalliberal
LOL! It’s a term we like to use and very much enjoy using when we get the chance. I think it means my naked black ass.
I think you’ll have to show me.
| 385 |
Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:24:53pm |
re: #382 Dark_Falcon
Classic. The joke was made at the wrong time (Reagan was about to give a radio address and didn’t know the mike was already transmitting), but it was damn funny. Ronald Reagan had a good sense of humor. The Tea Party people who claim his legacy should develop their own sense of humor. It would help them greatly.
IIRC, what truly cranks the hilarity up to 11 was that the Soviet ambassador was sitting in a chair right next to the podium when he said that.
| 386 |
Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:24:56pm |
| 387 |
Just never mind. Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:25:26pm |
| 388 |
sagehen Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:25:34pm |
re: #382 Dark_Falcon
Classic. The joke was made at the wrong time (Reagan was about to give a radio address and didn’t know the mike was already transmitting), but it was damn funny. Ronald Reagan had a good sense of humor. The Tea Party people who claim his legacy should develop their own sense of humor. It would help them greatly.
A record company in NY released it as a dance mix; it was a minor local hit.
| 389 |
moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:25:54pm |
| 390 |
Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:26:03pm |
re: #375 Gus 802
Someone open the overton window, it’s getting stuffy in here.
*Boehner opens the window*
*Half the party falls through it onto the lawn*
| 391 |
Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:26:12pm |
Wow. Boehner’s gotta get some lessons from Sarah on how to sanitize his FB comments.
| 392 |
Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:26:34pm |
| 393 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:26:37pm |
re: #355 Boyo
is this why some one like dark falcon agrees that pp should be defunded?
i tried asking him but he never responded..
I can’t speak for Dark.
| 394 |
moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:26:40pm |
| 395 |
Gus Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:26:57pm |
Wow. Teabaggers sure are burning a lot of crosses tonight over Boehner.
| 396 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:27:29pm |
re: #395 Gus 802
Wow. Teabaggers sure are burning a lot of crosses tonight over Boehner.
I hope it hurts! lol
| 398 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:28:16pm |
re: #389 moderatelyradicalliberal
I’m a she.
Then he would definitely like to see the butt. Only to illustrate the expression, of course, not for any other reason.
:)
| 399 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:28:26pm |
re: #391 JasonA
Wow. Boehner’s gotta get some lessons from Sarah on how to sanitize his FB comments.
WE WILL NOT BE IGNORED! WE WILL SPAM A FACEBOOK PAGE THE SPEAKER NEVER READS
| 400 |
Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:28:27pm |
re: #395 Gus 802
Wow. Teabaggers sure are burning a lot of crosses tonight over Boehner.
Just watching them go apeshit takes the sting out of the whole deal.
| 401 |
andres Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:29:18pm |
re: #372 sagehen
Oregon state legislature rick-rolls itself:
[Video]
Awesome. At least we know they give us up.
/ducks
| 402 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:29:19pm |
re: #400 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Just watching them go apeshit takes the sting out of the whole deal.
it is satisfying :D Poor dears, they really thought things would go their way, they just don’t realize how easily they’re manipulated
| 403 |
Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:29:22pm |
re: #395 Gus 802
Wow. Teabaggers sure are burning a lot of crosses tonight over Boehner.
“You mean bridges, right?”
Nope.
| 404 |
Gus Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:29:38pm |
re: #400 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Just watching them go apeshit takes the sting out of the whole deal.
Yeah. And there is a sting for many. Apparently a lot of people on the Dem side are angry at Reid for compromising with Boehner. Couple other things too but I’m still half asleep here.
| 406 |
Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:30:07pm |
re: #397 Floral Giraffe
And it matters, because?
It matters because someone was talking about seeing it nekkid!
| 407 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:30:21pm |
re: #375 Gus 802
ahahahahah ‘Don’t ever question my twitter resolve!” yeah, you go fight the revolution there from your laptop there, TP grampy
| 408 |
Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:30:38pm |
re: #400 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Just watching them go apeshit takes the sting out of the whole deal.
Wellll…. do we know what’s been cut at this point?
| 409 |
First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:30:55pm |
Damn you, internet, for making me think about Kenny Rogers.
Valid:
Youtube Video
Not valid:
Youtube Video
Valid:
Youtube Video
Not remotely valid:
Youtube Video
| 410 |
Just never mind. Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:30:57pm |
re: #406 JasonA
Boy butts can be just as cute as girl butts!
| 411 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:31:19pm |
| 412 |
Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:31:25pm |
re: #404 Gus 802
Yeah. And there is a sting for many. Apparently a lot of people on the Dem side are angry at Reid for compromising with Boehner. Couple other things too but I’m still half asleep here.
Oh, like a lot of bad decisions, we’ll wake up in the morning and come to face the reality of what’s just happened. But, for the moment, I’m raising a toast to the Dems for making the TPers froth up a storm over Boehner.
| 413 |
Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:31:26pm |
re: #408 JasonA
Welll… do we know what’s been cut at this point?
A lot. At a time when we should be spending to increase liquidity.
| 414 |
Gus Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:31:42pm |
re: #407 WindUpBird
ahahahahah ‘Don’t ever question my twitter resolve!” yeah, you go fight the revolution there from your laptop there, TP grampy
| 415 |
Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:31:44pm |
re: #410 Floral Giraffe
Boy butts can be just as cute as girl butts!
You haven’t seen my butt.
Nor should you.
| 416 |
First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:31:48pm |
re: #385 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
IIRC, what truly cranks the hilarity up to 11 was that the Soviet ambassador was sitting in a chair right next to the podium when he said that.
YOU CAN’T FIGHT IN HERE, THIS IS THE WAR ROOM!
| 417 |
webevintage Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:31:50pm |
@dickmorristweet: The budget deal is a total surrender by a gutless Speaker. Those who vote for it deserve a primary!!!
hahahahahahaha
Sweet….
| 418 |
Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:31:58pm |
re: #408 JasonA
Welll… do we know what’s been cut at this point?
Haven’t a clue, and that’s the scary part.
| 419 |
moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:32:21pm |
re: #410 Floral Giraffe
Boy butts can be just as cute as girl butts!
No boy’s butt is as cute as my butt! So I take it back, the GOP can’t kiss my butt. It’s way too cute for them!
| 422 |
Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:33:10pm |
re: #418 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Haven’t a clue, and that’s the scary part.
Yeah. All we know is that it ain’t PP or the EPA.
And the bill forces a vote on PP later on.
So yeah… didn’t mean to throw cold water all over the place.
| 423 |
Lidane Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:33:22pm |
OK. One final sample from Hot Air tonight:
OMG I didn’t think it was true but Boehner got rolled by limpy wimpy mortician Reid. So all the Democrats have to do to get their way in this anti government anti spending environment with sinking Obama Pelosi Reid numbers is to threaten to shut down the government and tell everyone it is the Republicans fault?
WE NEED MORE RAND PAULS, SARAH PALINS AND MICHELE BACHMANS IN OUR GOVERNEMENT.
I want to see if Ryan votes for this.
—-
I am ashamed to be a republican tonight. I am ashamed to be connected to these sheep and cowards. I am ashamed what they just allowed to happen because they were scared of bad optics. I am ashamed and afraid for my country. My children will pay dearly for this lack of leadership by the speaker of the house.—-
Boehner has failed to live up to his election pledge of 100 billion in cuts.As for the Ryan budget. For some reason it seems I am the ONLY ONE that took the time to look at the plan for 2012. Ryan’s plan calls for 3.6 trillion in total spending with 1.5 trillion in borrowed money to fund it!
WTF is the point of even discussing a budget that funds 97% of what Obama wants to spend in 2012?
—-
If the GOP/Whigs don’t have the stomach to actually stand up for the country and stop overspending just a tiny percent every year…………….how are they going to stand up and pass anything like a real deficit cutting budget?The ENTIRE GOP LEADERSHIP in the Congress should resign for incompetence.
They are not Conservatives………they are Progressives with a different initial by their names.
AND WHERE ARE THE TEA PARTY FRESHMAN?
Oh, this is glorious. People are spitting nails tonight.
| 424 |
Just never mind. Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:33:30pm |
re: #411 WindUpBird
Furry, Feathery, Naked or Hairy butts can be cute too!
Depends on your perspective.
| 425 |
moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:34:23pm |
re: #413 prononymous
A lot. At a time when we should be spending to increase liquidity.
This. A thousand times. Although, I do think the deal during the lame duck session did ensure that some stimulus would continue.
| 427 |
Just never mind. Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:34:29pm |
re: #415 JasonA
Why not.
You askeered of showing it?
| 428 |
sagehen Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:34:54pm |
re: #382 Dark_Falcon
Classic. The joke was made at the wrong time (Reagan was about to give a radio address and didn’t know the mike was already transmitting), but it was damn funny. Ronald Reagan had a good sense of humor. The Tea Party people who claim his legacy should develop their own sense of humor. It would help them greatly.
and I found the record!!
429 |
jaunte Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:35:14pm |
re: #419 moderatelyradicalliberal
No boy’s butt is as cute as my butt! So I take it back, the GOP can’t kiss my butt. It’s way too cute for them!
I’m just here to upding cute butts. Carry on.
| 430 |
Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:35:20pm |
re: #427 Floral Giraffe
Why not.
You askeered of showing it?
Just afraid of the harm it could bring to my fellow lizards.
| 431 |
b_sharp Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:35:45pm |
re: #389 moderatelyradicalliberal
I’m a she.
That’s why I asked to see your butt. I’m a man. We’re naturally pervs.
| 432 |
Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:35:57pm |
re: #422 JasonA
Yeah. All we know is that it ain’t PP or the EPA.
And the bill forces a vote on PP later on.
So yeah… didn’t mean to throw cold water all over the place.
Oh, I’m not living under any illusion that the final agreed upon $39 billion is going to be anything but painful. But the fact that the Dems got Boehner to agree to anything less than $100 billion, hell less than $60 billion, is bearable. If only to watch the Tea Party collectively lose their frakin’ minds.
| 433 |
b_sharp Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:36:35pm |
re: #398 SanFranciscoZionist
Then he would definitely like to see the butt. Only to illustrate the expression, of course, not for any other reason.
:)
You know me too well.
| 434 |
Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:37:36pm |
re: #432 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Oh, I’m not living under any illusion that the final agreed upon $39 billion is going to be anything but painful. But the fact that the Dems got Boehner to agree to anything less than $100 billion, hell less than $60 billion, is bearable. If only to watch the Tea Party collectively lose their frakin’ minds.
I can weather some economic discomfort for the awesomeness of getting to watch the Whigs rip themselves apart.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:37:48pm |
re: #431 b_sharp
That’s why I asked to see your butt. I’m a man. We’re naturally pervs.
Oh, I figured that. As my friend would say “don’t let the ass, pass”.
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Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:37:54pm |
Bachmann just said that this was the time to fight… after this afternoon saying it wasn’t the right fight.
Ow.
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Just never mind. Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:38:32pm |
re: #436 JasonA
That lady needs a serious spanking.
Speaking of butts.
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:38:38pm |
re: #436 JasonA
Bachmann just said that this was the time to fight… after this afternoon saying it wasn’t the right fight.
Ow.
Presidential material, she is not. Mental lightweight, she is. Mmmm.
/Yoda mode
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b_sharp Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:38:52pm |
re: #411 WindUpBird
ding for this
You have an unfair advantage. You get to go to the men’s dressing room at the pool.
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Mich-again Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:38:55pm |
For free, a couple good comebacks for the “Kiss my ass” line.
1) Mark the spot, you’re all ass.
2) Pack a lunch, thats an all day job.
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b_sharp Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:40:06pm |
re: #415 JasonA
You haven’t seen my butt.
Nor should you.
Can it be seen past the hair?
Or do you shave to make it look bigger?
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:40:31pm |
re: #433 b_sharp
You know me too well.
And we have now gotten to that part of the evening when the Lizards stop fighting about politics and begin to discuss each other’s rear ends.
Bring on the booze and the ice cream.
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b_sharp Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:40:49pm |
re: #419 moderatelyradicalliberal
No boy’s butt is as cute as my butt! So I take it back, the GOP can’t kiss my butt. It’s way too cute for them!
You need more than one upding for that one.
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:40:50pm |
re: #442 SanFranciscoZionist
And we have now gotten to that part of the evening when the Lizards stop fighting about politics and begin to discuss each other’s rear ends.
Bring on the booze and the ice cream.
Is it time for the FNDT already?
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Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:40:59pm |
Yet more Schadenfreude tonight…
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jaunte Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:41:56pm |
re: #444 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Way past time, really.
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b_sharp Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:42:32pm |
re: #424 Floral Giraffe
Furry, Feathery, Naked or Hairy butts can be cute too!
Depends on your perspective.
I check them out while standing on my head.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:43:06pm |
re: #419 moderatelyradicalliberal
No boy’s butt is as cute as my butt! So I take it back, the GOP can’t kiss my butt. It’s way too cute for them!
Now, imagine this being spoken by James Earl Jones.
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:43:14pm |
re: #446 jaunte
Way past time, really.
Well hell, guess I hadn’t noticed. I’m the designated poster for the evening.
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Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:43:57pm |
re: #449 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Well hell, guess I hadn’t noticed. I’m the designated poster for the evening.
Get us to the overnight thread in one piece, Target.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:45:35pm |
re: #450 JasonA
Get us to the overnight thread in one piece, Target.
While everyone else hangs out the window and needlessly yells “WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!”
(I hate those people, too. I prefer my drunks to be brooding and melancholy, like Dylan Thomas and Charles Bukowski.)
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:45:51pm |
Time to dig out the mescaline and ice cream.
Err…
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b_sharp Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:45:55pm |
re: #442 SanFranciscoZionist
And we have now gotten to that part of the evening when the Lizards stop fighting about politics and begin to discuss each other’s rear ends.
Bring on the booze and the ice cream.
Damn tootin’.
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:46:14pm |
re: #450 JasonA
Get us to the overnight thread in one piece, Target.
No prob…uhm, did I mention I can’t drive a stick shift?
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:46:18pm |
re: #452 prononymous
Time to dig out the mescaline and ice cream.
Err…
Flintstones Chewable Morphine
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Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:47:18pm |
re: #454 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
No prob…uhm, did I mention I can’t drive a stick shift?
That’s…that’s not a stick…
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:48:09pm |
re: #456 JasonA
That’s…that’s not a stick…
…I wondered why I kept hearing a groaning. Thought I was grinding the gears.
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Lidane Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:49:07pm |
A military vet friend of mine just posted this photo on his FB, and I found it on CNN:
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b_sharp Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:49:10pm |
It looks like MRL and I have successfully derailed this thread, so our evening work is done.
Good job MRL.
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Four More Tears Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:50:08pm |
re: #459 b_sharp
It looks like MRL and I have successfully derailed this thread, so our evening work is done.
Good job MRL.
Sure, leave us all with butts on our mind.
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HoosierHoops Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:50:55pm |
After i watched Tron tonight I turned on the news to see the government isn’t shutting down
Wow..Like I always said..Given sufficient thrust..Pigs will fly
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jaunte Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:50:56pm |
related tweet:
slapclap Michael Neal
People of the planet Booty… tinyurl.com
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:51:04pm |
re: #428 sagehen
and I found the record!!
[Video]
And here’s the best quality version of “Never Gonna Give You Up” available on Youtube:
It’s got better sound and resolution than most copies.
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Just never mind. Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:51:23pm |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:52:40pm |
re: #459 b_sharp
It looks like MRL and I have successfully derailed this thread, so our evening work is done.
Good job MRL.
High five! :)
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jaunte Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:52:49pm |
re: #463 Dark_Falcon
Excellent! Clean, open, straightforward Rickroll, sticks the landing.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:53:21pm |
re: #458 Lidane
A military vet friend of mine just posted this photo on his FB, and I found it on CNN:
[Link: ireport.cnn.com…]
And that’s what Boener and Reid didn’t want to face. So they compromised. Nothing like the threat of public shaming to motivate people.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:54:14pm |
re: #461 HoosierHoops
After i watched Tron tonight I turned on the news to see the government isn’t shutting down
Wow..Like I always said..Given sufficient thrust..Pigs will fly
Old Tron or New Tron? Or Olivia Neutron Bomb?
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What, me worry? Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:54:39pm |
re: #448 negativ
Now, imagine this being spoken by James Earl Jones.
I’d rather put my money on the Old Spice guy :>
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HoosierHoops Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:55:27pm |
re: #469 negativ
Old Tron or New Tron? Or Olivia Neutron Bomb?
new Tron..Kindof sucked…good graphics though
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 9:55:38pm |
re: #463 Dark_Falcon
And here’s the best quality version of “Never Gonna Give You Up” available on Youtube:
[Video]It’s got better sound and resolution than most copies.
I think you meant this:
Youtube Video
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b_sharp Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:02:46pm |
re: #474 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
*coughs*
Shhh, you’ll wake them up.
Aren’t they just so cute when they’re dozing?
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:03:28pm |
Looks like everyone has passed out. Do you want to draw penises on their foreheads with a Sharpie, or are we just gonna watch movies until sunrise, or what?
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b_sharp Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:04:00pm |
My wife tells me it’s time for bed, so I gotta go home. She never lets me have any fun.
No, actually she does.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:04:30pm |
re: #477 b_sharp
My wife tells me it’s time for bed, so I gotta go home. She never lets me have any fun.
No, actually she does.
Guess how I can tell she’s reading over your shoulder.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:06:02pm |
re: #479 b_sharp
In psychology, Stockholm syndrome is a term used to describe a paradoxical psychological phenomenon wherein hostages express adulation and have positive feelings towards their captors.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:06:09pm |
re: #479 b_sharp
She’s running around naked.
Then what are you hanging around here for?! Get going while the getting is good!
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HoosierHoops Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:12:59pm |
re: #476 negativ
Looks like everyone has passed out. Do you want to draw penises on their foreheads with a Sharpie, or are we just gonna watch movies until sunrise, or what?
Ever notice when watching late night TV..They always try to sell you shit for your Kitchen? Like at 2am I’m wanting shit for my kitchen for 19.99?
whats that about?
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Lidane Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:14:57pm |
Looks like the socons and teabaggers are digging their heels in:
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Kragar Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:16:07pm |
re: #483 HoosierHoops
Ever notice when watching late night TV..They always try to sell you shit for your Kitchen? Like at 2am I’m wanting shit for my kitchen for 19.99?
whats that about?
Because its between dinner and breakfast
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:18:56pm |
re: #485 Lidane
Looks like the socons and teabaggers are digging their heels in:
They dig them in too deeply, they’re gonna back back in the same place in less than a week. And when that happens, they can’t claim that it’s because the Dems are unwilling to agree to cuts, because that’s what they just did tonight.
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jaunte Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:22:06pm |
re: #485 Lidane
In exchange for taking those policy riders off the table — which the White House and Senate Democrats said was non-negotiable — Boehner won promises to hold up-or-down Senate votes on a few key initiatives that Democratic leaders had previously kept from the floor, Planned Parenthood and health law defunding included.
Interesting move by the Democrats. Just a delay?
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:22:51pm |
So I had a thought. We should just replace the entire legislative branch with a quantum computer.
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HoosierHoops Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:23:49pm |
re: #490 prononymous
So I had a thought. We should just replace the entire legislative branch with a quantum computer.
How about SimCongress?
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jaunte Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:24:20pm |
re: #483 HoosierHoops
Ever notice when watching late night TV..They always try to sell you shit for your Kitchen? Like at 2am I’m wanting shit for my kitchen for 19.99?
whats that about?
At least 20% of the country has got to be awake and hungry at 2 am.
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:28:08pm |
I found what I want for Christmas!
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jaunte Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:31:22pm |
re: #493 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I found what I want for Christmas!
I’m grinning at the idea of a Commodore with a blu-ray player.
But that second website is an eye-hurt.
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Lidane Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:34:08pm |
re: #493 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I found what I want for Christmas!
Oh dear lord. That brings back memories.
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freetoken Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:36:48pm |
Don’t know if any of you have seen this… purportedly a reporter was allowed in the exclusion zone around Fukushima last weekend, filmed some of his wanderings including a dosimeter - dogs are left to their own, and the cattle seem a bit bewildered:
He gets to within 1.5 kilometers of Fuk-1 (the video shows Fuk-2 early on) near the end, where the radiation level is enough to get roughly a year’s average exposure in just a day - and that is with him upwind (he’s traveling by the coast and you can hear the sea breeze blowing in.)
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:37:43pm |
re: #496 freetoken
Don’t know if any of you have seen this… purportedly a reporter was allowed in the exclusion zone around Fukushima last weekend, filmed some of his wanderings including a dosimeter - dogs are left to their own, and the cattle seem a bit bewildered:
[Video]He gets to within 1.5 kilometers of Fuk-1 (the video shows Fuk-2 early on) near the end, where the radiation level is enough to get roughly a year’s average exposure in just a day - and that is with him upwind (he’s traveling by the coast and you can hear the sea breeze blowing in.)
Fun times. I’m guessing we’re looking at a new Exclusion Zone in the near future.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:43:42pm |
re: #493 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I found what I want for Christmas!
I never had a C64, but I did have a “TI Professional”, which was Texas Instruments’ competitor to the IBM XT. Interestingly, it’s damn near impossible to find evidence of its existence on the internets.
*all* software came as a couple of 360k 5.25” floppy discs, in impressive binders like this:
Image: zenith-z100-2.jpg
I thought the computer was pretty boring until one day, under circumstances I don’t remember, I experienced Zork.
Soon thereafter, I encountered other Infocom games, such as “Planetfall”, “The Witness”, and “Deadline”.
To this day I have never come across a computer game as immersive as those ancient text-based games.
Ahem. Carry on.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:49:47pm |
re: #496 freetoken
Don’t know if any of you have seen this… purportedly a reporter was allowed in the exclusion zone around Fukushima last weekend, filmed some of his wanderings including a dosimeter - dogs are left to their own, and the cattle seem a bit bewildered:
[Video]He gets to within 1.5 kilometers of Fuk-1 (the video shows Fuk-2 early on) near the end, where the radiation level is enough to get roughly a year’s average exposure in just a day - and that is with him upwind (he’s traveling by the coast and you can hear the sea breeze blowing in.)
So, the Fallout series, along with STALKER, accurately predicted the near-term future?
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Targetpractice Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:51:53pm |
re: #499 negativ
So, the Fallout series, along with STALKER, accurately predicted the near-term future?
I’m still waiting for my ice-cold Nuka Cola!
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freetoken Fri, Apr 8, 2011 10:52:26pm |
re: #499 negativ
Sort of like those “Life After People” docu-fantasies that were popular a year or two ago - we can see what parts of Fukushima prefecture look like without people for about 4 weeks.
BTW, the yellow instrument is this product:
ecotest.ua
While the black instrument he is reading is the dosimeter he’s using for reporting.
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Kragar Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:46:50pm |
The blush is off the rose
Tea party leader peeved at Michele Bachmann
Mark Meckler, a national coordinator for the Tea Party Patriots, took issue with Bachmann’s comments during an interview Thursday night with Fox News. “Obviously, there was no agreement tonight, but that doesn’t mean that there actually will be a shutdown or that there won’t be agreement tomorrow,” Bachmann told host Greta Van Susteren. “I think there’s a very good chance that there will be.”
Continue ReadingBut the tea party movement is taking a hard line on the need for deep spending cuts, and Meckler said Bachmann’s comments have his group’s membership “flipping out.”
“Her message was not consistent with the overall tea party message at that moment,” Meckler told POLITICO Friday afternoon, reiterating the need for Republicans to deliver the $100 billion in cuts they promised during the midterm election campaign.
“It certainly didn’t wipe her out with tea partiers, but people were not happy with her statements last night about potential compromise,” Meckler said of Bachmann, a tea party favorite.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:50:54pm |
re: #504 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The blush is off the rose
Bound to happen. The TPer contingent ran as the party of no compromise, doing battle with the Evil Obama. Then they went to to Washington, and acted like normal politicians. They did their best, they compromised, they made deals and backed off things that were too hard to go through with.
The folks who took them at their word will be peeved.
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Kragar Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:53:00pm |
re: #505 SanFranciscoZionist
Bound to happen. The TPer contingent ran as the party of no compromise, doing battle with the Evil Obama. Then they went to to Washington, and acted like normal politicians. They did their best, they compromised, they made deals and backed off things that were too hard to go through with.
The folks who took them at their word will be peeved.
Uncompromising men are easy to admire. He has courage; so does a dog.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 8, 2011 11:56:20pm |
re: #506 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Uncompromising men are easy to admire. He has courage; so does a dog.
I admire dogs greatly. But we’re primates, and we bargain.
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Kragar Sat, Apr 9, 2011 12:01:10am |
re: #507 SanFranciscoZionist
I admire dogs greatly. But we’re primates, and we bargain.
Any idiot can take a position and not budge.
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Kragar Sat, Apr 9, 2011 12:09:07am |
About that Hamas cease-fire…
At least 8 Grads fired into Israel from Gaza overnight
At least eight Grad-model rockets were fired from the Gaza Strip into Israeli territory overnight Friday. The Iron Dome rocket-defense system intercepted several of them in the Beersheba and Ashkelon areas.
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Eclectic Infidel Sat, Apr 9, 2011 12:18:17am |
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Steve Sat, Apr 9, 2011 12:21:49am |
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BongCrodny Sat, Apr 9, 2011 12:56:23am |
re: #498 negativ
Soon thereafter, I encountered other Infocom games, such as “Planetfall”, “The Witness”, and “Deadline”.
To this day I have never come across a computer game as immersive as those ancient text-based games.
Ahem. Carry on.
Zork, Zork II, Zork III, Beyond Zork, Zork Zero, Planetfall, Stationfall, Hollywood Hijinx, Infidel, Wishbringer, Hitchhiker’s Guide To The Galaxy, Leather Goddesses of Phobos, The Lurking Horror…
My favorite Infocom game ever was Trinity. I don’t think I’ve ever played another game, text or video, where I actually felt sad after finishing.
From Wiki:
As the game begins, the player’s character is spending a final day of a London vacation in the Kensington Gardens. The evening flight back to the United States is looking increasingly unlikely for a number of unusual reasons. Hordes of nannies are blocking all exits from the Gardens, and the grass actively resists efforts to be walked upon. Worst of all, a gleam on the horizon soon heralds the unwelcome arrival of a Soviet nuclear missile. Time begins to slow as the missile approaches, and with some ingenuity the player’s character finds an incongruous door hovering in mid-air. There’s no telling where it may lead, but it can’t possibly be worse than the alternative of being at ground zero of a nuclear detonation…
The doorway leads to a strange land, where impossible objects exist. Space and time don’t seem to behave in the familiar ways here. Exploring this new environment, the player finds several other mysterious doors, each of which leads to another chapter in the history of nuclear weaponry. After visiting test sites (including ones in Siberia, Nevada, and the Eniwetok Atoll) and Nagasaki just before each device is detonated, the player has one scenario left to deal with. The final door leads to the New Mexico desert on July 16, 1945, mere minutes before the test-firing that will change the course of history. But something is wrong at the “Trinity” site, and without the player’s intervention things will go horribly awry.
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freetoken Sat, Apr 9, 2011 1:53:06am |
The original version of this song, from the movie of the same name:
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Apr 9, 2011 4:22:47am |
I am having problems with my ISP. Verizon went out last night. I will be back as soon as I can. WSJ says last minute deal was made. Good Day to my fellow Lizards.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 9, 2011 4:37:38am |
Awaken and rise (or don’t).
Butt just check out this spiffy animation:
Youtube Video
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Varek Raith Sat, Apr 9, 2011 5:21:42am |
Police identify suspect in California synagogue bombing
(CNN) — Police in Santa Monica, California, were searching for an “extremely dangerous” 61-year-old man in connection with a bombing at a synagogue.Authorities began their investigation Thursday after the blast at Chabad House.
Investigators found evidence in the damaged synagogue that may prove that the bombing is connected to a “transient” who had been seen in the area, the Santa Monica police said in a statement.
“Investigation has determined that Items found in and around the mechanism are linked to an individual by the name of Ron Hirsch, identified as a transient,” the statement said. “Hirsch is known to frequent synagogues and Jewish community centers seeking charity from patrons. Hirsch is considered extremely dangerous.”
The explosion shattered windows at the synagogue and sent a 30- pound pipe into the roof of a nearby house, but no one was injured, CNN affiliate KABC reported.
Authorities do not know the motive for the bombing. Hirsch also faces charges of possession of a destructive device, police said.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 5:25:58am |
re: #519 Varek Raith
Police identify suspect in California synagogue bombing
“Hirsch is known to frequent synagogues and Jewish community centers seeking charity from patrons.”
“Give until or else it hurts” isn’t a very effective sales tactic for the homeless.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 5:27:26am |
They averted a shutdown and lowered the deficit from $1.6 Trillion to $1.55. It’s all good now./
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Varek Raith Sat, Apr 9, 2011 5:29:02am |
re: #520 RogueOne
“Give
untilor else it hurts” isn’t a very effective sales tactic for the homeless.
What I want to know is why is Santa such a jerk???
And why is he homeless?
/
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 5:36:43am |
re: #17 Obdicut
Given that AGW is the largest threat to our armed forces?
We’ve lost almost 1,000 troops in afghanistan in the last 2 years. How many of those were due to AGW?
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 9, 2011 5:36:49am |
re: #521 RogueOne
They averted a shutdown and lowered the deficit from $1.6 Trillion to $1.55. It’s all good now./
Best of all, Jerry Jones’ marginal tax rate didn’t go up by 2%. Disaster avoided!
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 5:37:42am |
re: #524 negativ
Best of all, Jerry Jones’ marginal tax rate didn’t go up by 2%. Disaster avoided!
There’s something in this for everyone to hate! They were just doing this to bring us closer together as a family. I’m feeling the love.
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Uncle Obdicut Sat, Apr 9, 2011 5:38:13am |
re: #523 RogueOne
We’ve lost almost 1,000 troops in afghanistan in the last 2 years. How many of those were due to AGW?
Zero. Are you being intentionally obtuse?
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 5:38:36am |
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 5:40:09am |
re: #526 Obdicut
BTW, I thought of you when I read this:
Rep. Allen West suggests Republicans are “using” troops
cbsnews.com
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Uncle Obdicut Sat, Apr 9, 2011 5:41:01am |
re: #527 RogueOne
Are you being intentionally hyperbolic?
Nope. AGW is the largest long-term threat to our military. That it’s not killing soldiers right now is immaterial. It is still a gigantic problem that needs to be addressed right now, because doing it later is not an option. It won’t work.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 9, 2011 5:43:25am |
re: #523 RogueOne
We’ve lost almost 1,000 troops in afghanistan in the last 2 years. How many of those were due to AGW?
Think longer-term, my good sir. What do you think would happen if a large portion of the world went to war over potable water and fertile cropland? How about this becoming a permanent fixture?
Millions of starving refugees plus yet more economic chaos plus the ever-present opportunistic jihadi shitbags sooner or later equals lots of dead Americans.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 5:44:23am |
re: #530 Obdicut
That’s slightly creepy.
Heh, I thought you’d get a bit of a chill with that one. Admit it, if he keeps talking like that you’re going to move to s. florida.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 5:46:27am |
re: #531 negativ
It was modified it to “long term”. I’m satisfied. I disagree but people can still make a decent argument in support of it.
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Uncle Obdicut Sat, Apr 9, 2011 5:46:55am |
re: #532 RogueOne
Heh, I thought you’d get a bit of a chill with that one. Admit it, if he keeps talking like that you’re going to move to s. florida.
What are you talking about? Did you bother to read the article?
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 5:48:42am |
re: #534 Obdicut
It was a joke. I thought it was obvious enough that it didn’t need sarc tags.
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Uncle Obdicut Sat, Apr 9, 2011 5:48:42am |
re: #533 RogueOne
Why do you disagree, Rogue? What do see as a bigger long-term threat to the military than AGW?
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 5:49:33am |
Democrats make pitch for contributions to make Boehner ‘cry’
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Uncle Obdicut Sat, Apr 9, 2011 5:49:50am |
re: #535 RogueOne
Yeah. I got that it’s a joke. I’m wondering what in the article you think would make me like West in the least or ‘give me a chill’?
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 9, 2011 5:51:35am |
It’s too early in the morning to get pissy already. I blame this behavior on a lack of Saturday morning cartoons - a tradition whose loss I truly mourn.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 9, 2011 5:53:01am |
re: #537 RogueOne
Democrats make pitch for contributions to make Boehner ‘cry’
[Link: thehill.com…]
They should just ask him to talk about the last time he bought a pair of socks. Waterworks would very likely ensue. No contribution required.
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Romantic Heretic Sat, Apr 9, 2011 5:54:28am |
re: #539 negativ
It’s too early in the morning to get pissy already. I blame this behavior on a lack of Saturday morning cartoons - a tradition whose loss I truly mourn.
So go check out YouTube. There’s tons of Looney Toons over there.
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Uncle Obdicut Sat, Apr 9, 2011 5:54:39am |
re: #539 negativ
There’s plenty of awesome Saturday morning cartoons left. Just not so much on TV.
I wish Netflix would hurry up and get Harvey Birdman in their selection.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 5:55:05am |
re: #536 Obdicut
Why do you disagree, Rogue? What do see as a bigger long-term threat to the military than AGW?
3 wars. Africa and the ME in flames. Massive cuts needed in their budget on top of the rest of the world spending less than we do already. Their use as good will ambassadors instead of their primary mission. Dumbing down standards in order to keep the number of troops we need. Being used as pawns in legislative battles…..
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 5:56:57am |
re: #542 Romantic Heretic
I’m working on collecting every WB cartoon. I have every DVD set they’ve put out plus some stuff I’ve found online that didn’t make the cut.
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Apr 9, 2011 5:57:38am |
Statement from Planned Parenthood.
Statement from Cecile Richards, President of Planned Parenthood Federation of America, Regarding Budget Deal
“American women made their voices heard today, and Washington, DC, listened. A handful of members of Congress tried to use the debate over our nation’s deficit to pursue an extreme agenda that would cut millions of women off from Pap tests, breast exams and birth control — without reducing the deficit.“It was an outrageous proposal, and it was rightly rejected today. Planned Parenthood applauds the members of Congress who stood up for women’s health and the hundreds of thousands of Americans who have lent their voices to stop this extreme proposal.
“The rejection of this proposal in the final budget deal is a victory for women’s health.
“However, we are deeply disappointed that the final budget deal includes a policy rider restricting the District of Columbia’s right to make its own decisions regarding how to spend local money just as the 50 states are allowed to do.
“This provision prohibits the District of Columbia from deciding whether to use locally raised revenue to help low-income women access medically necessary abortions. The District is already prohibited from spending federal dollars on abortion.
“It’s clear that the fight for women’s health will continue, and we will continue to work on behalf of the millions of American women who count on this critical care.”
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Uncle Obdicut Sat, Apr 9, 2011 5:58:38am |
re: #545 RogueOne
3 wars.
Do you understand that AGW is going to prompt our involvement in even more wars?
Africa and the ME in flames.
Yep. And that’s going to get so much worse with famine and millions of refugees. So, glad you agree.
Massive cuts needed in their budget on top of the rest of the world spending less than we do already.
Er…. how is this a threat?
Their use as good will ambassadors instead of their primary mission.
Again… a threat in what way?
Dumbing down standards in order to keep the number of troops we need.
A problem, definitely. But how is that a bigger problem than AGW?
Being used as pawns in legislative battles…
Which sucks. But again— how is that a real threat?
It seems like you’re just running through a list of things that affect the military negatively, not actually finding anything that’s a bigger threat to the military than AGW.
Do you understand that the military’s projections of the effects of AGW is that there’s going to be a ton more wars, millions more refugees, every naval base facing rising water, etc.?
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 5:58:40am |
re: #543 Obdicut
There’s plenty of awesome Saturday morning cartoons left. Just not so much on TV.
I wish Netflix would hurry up and get Harvey Birdman in their selection.
I love that one! You can find the dvd sets pretty cheap.
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Romantic Heretic Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:01:27am |
Like it or not, if you want to pay down the debt you’re going to have to raise taxes. Anything else is snake oil. And those raises have to be for every one and every thing that pays taxes now, plus making sure there are more entities that pay tax.
There’s just no other way.
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:01:57am |
re: #539 negativ
It’s too early in the morning to get pissy already. I blame this behavior on a lack of Saturday morning cartoons - a tradition whose loss I truly mourn.
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Romantic Heretic Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:03:00am |
re: #545 RogueOne
3 wars. Africa and the ME in flames. Massive cuts needed in their budget on top of the rest of the world spending less than we do already. Their use as good will ambassadors instead of their primary mission. Dumbing down standards in order to keep the number of troops we need. Being used as pawns in legislative battles…
I’m wondering, at what point did threats to the military become more important than threats to the nation? Because AGW is a big threat to the nation.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:03:55am |
re: #542 Romantic Heretic
So go check out YouTube. There’s tons of Looney Toons over there.
[Link: www.youtube.com…]
While cartoons (and Looney Tunes specifically) available on demand is quite spiffy, it’s just not the same as looking forward to that one day of the week when you were going to voluntarily get out of bed earlier than you did grudgingly on a school day, because about 5 hours of Looney Tunes, Schoolhouse Rock, Scooby Doo, and Fat Albert awaited you. And of course the slight feeling of disappointment when cartoons were over and Soul Train came on, which meant it was time to go ride your bike for the rest of the day, and try to find cool things to use as a ramp.
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Uncle Obdicut Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:04:43am |
re: #552 Romantic Heretic
It’s a good point; the material the military depends on is not going to be available to them when we need all of it to combat the effects of AGW.
I think some people just have a problem wrapping their heads around the scale of the effects AGW is going to cause.
Wish someone could figure out a good way of getting that message across.
Because we are increasingly fucked.
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Romantic Heretic Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:06:41am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:06:56am |
re: #523 RogueOne
We’ve lost almost 1,000 troops in afghanistan in the last 2 years. How many of those were due to AGW?
facepalm
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:08:01am |
re: #548 Obdicut
That bunch of leftist environmentalist wackos at the Pentagon seemed to think it was a potential Big Fucking Deal.
They’re all probably getting gay-married and eating vegan granola while hating America and something something socialism.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:13:11am |
re: #548 Obdicut
Do you understand that AGW is going to prompt our involvement in even more wars?
Our current trade policies and burning food for fuel has done more to increase the price of food than AGW. The US is pushing out grain at record rates and yet the price of food stuffs keeps climbing.
Er… how is this a threat?
Whether we like it or not we’re the only world power that has enough military resources when they’re needed. Cut backs across the globe are going to put even more of a stress on US troops.
Again… a threat in what way?
The role of the military it to fight. When you put troops in a war zone to act as ambassadors it increases the likelihood they’ll never see the bullet/IED that gets them.
A problem, definitely. But how is that a bigger problem than AGW?
Bringing in dirtbags leads to:
spiegel.de
Which sucks. But again— how is that a real threat?
You’ve never been an E1 earning $1000/mo while living in a dirthole in a 3rd world country. If more people had been they would have understood why it was so irritating hearing people say they’re no worse off than the rest of the federal employees during a shutdown.
Do you understand that the military’s projections of the effects of AGW is that there’s going to be a ton more wars, millions more refugees, every naval base facing rising water, etc.?
That’s a long-term guess. I’m a little more concerned with what’s happening now and what we’re facing over the next couple of decades.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:15:10am |
re: #552 Romantic Heretic
I’m wondering, at what point did threats to the military become more important than threats to the nation? Because AGW is a big threat to the nation.
At exatly the point where we ask young men and women to enlist, put on a uniform and then send them around the globe to dodge bullets. Global warming is a long-term threat but we have troops in harms way right now.
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Uncle Obdicut Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:16:17am |
re: #559 RogueOne
That’s a long-term guess. I’m a little more concerned with what’s happening now and what we’re facing over the next couple of decades.
No, that’s a not a guess.
Never mind. You have on intention of being serious.
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Uncle Obdicut Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:17:52am |
Stupid name for a band and song, awesome goddamn song:
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:19:49am |
re: #561 Obdicut
No, that’s a not a guess.
Never mind. You have on intention of being serious.
Rising sea levels is an immediate threat to our troops? We already have a destabilizing ME and it doesn’t have anything to do with AGW.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:22:32am |
re: #547 ggt
Statement from Planned Parenthood.
…..
“However, we are deeply disappointed that the final budget deal includes a policy rider restricting the District of Columbia’s right to make its own decisions regarding how to spend local money just as the 50 states are allowed to do.
I agree. The city has a right to spend their tax money as they see fit. That includes education spending along with abortion services.
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Uncle Obdicut Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:22:59am |
re: #563 RogueOne
What about the concept that even though the full effects of AGW aren’t going to be felt for half a century, that AGW needs to be dealt with right now?
It’s the biggest threat precisely because a lot of people, in love with their own dim short-sightedness, say “Well, it’s not happening now, so there’s bigger concerns.”
It’s baffling.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:26:48am |
re: #565 Obdicut
What about the concept that even though the full effects of AGW aren’t going to be felt for half a century, that AGW needs to be dealt with right now?
I agree that we do need to look long term. In the case of the troops though we have to narrow our focus. It’s hard to argue about the world being a different place in 100/1000 years while we have volunteers in uniform dodging bullets right now.
| 567 |
Uncle Obdicut Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:28:43am |
re: #566 RogueOne
It’s hard to argue about the world being a different place in 100/1000 years while we have volunteers in uniform dodging bullets right now.
It’s about fifty years that we’re going to start seeing massive famines and millions of refugees. By the standard, not the aggressive, estimates.
It’s not at all hard to argue about it. Because, again— even though the problem lies in the future, the only solution is in the present. So, if we ‘narrow our focus’ like short-sighted morons, we blow it. We lose.
Getting people to understand this is obviously a challenge. I don’t know why.
| 568 |
RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:29:34am |
Once the hobby of tech geeks, iPhone jailbreaking now a lucrative industry
washingtonpost.com
Kevin Lee, a George Mason University senior, says he earns about $50,000 a year with an illicit-sounding pitch on Craigslist: “Get Your iPhone Jailbroken Today.”
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:31:28am |
re: #567 Obdicut
You can do both long and short term planning but you can’t take your eye off of what is happening right now to focus a generation out. We have immediate needs that have to be addressed.
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Uncle Obdicut Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:35:22am |
re: #569 RogueOne
What is happening right now is that we’re continuing to pump shitloads of CO2 into the atmosphere, making higher and higher temperatures from AGW a certainty.
That needs to be addressed, right now. It is an immediate need.
| 571 |
RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:35:51am |
They won’t get the deal finalized for ‘11 until thursday. Anyone have odds on the chance they’ll blow it up and we’ll be right back where we were yesterday?
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:36:59am |
re: #570 Obdicut
What is happening right now is that we’re continuing to pump shitloads of CO2 into the atmosphere, making higher and higher temperatures from AGW a certainty.
That needs to be addressed, right now. It is an immediate need.
For future reference, who do you think should address it, Congress or the EPA?
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:38:04am |
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Uncle Obdicut Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:39:35am |
re: #572 RogueOne
For future reference, who do you think should address it, Congress or the EPA?
Everyone. Congress, the EPA, the military— who actually are doing some of the most aggressive work at the moment— all the national laboratories. Everyone.
Given that the GOP are science-denying whackjobs, though, getting actual action from congress is very hard. I was extremely relieved that the Democrats stood firm on the GOP’s anti-science riders, but the GOP isn’t going to give up on that anytime soon.
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Ojoe Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:40:34am |
“Let’s look at the numbers. We have a $1.5 trillion deficit this year. We’re paying $200 billion a year on our interest alone. That’s half a billion dollars per day on interest. And our $1.5 trillion deficit means that we’re borrowing $4 billion per day just to keep afloat. So, we pat ourselves on the back if we cut a billion dollars here or a billion there in discretionary spending, as we borrow $4 billion a day and pay half a billion a day in interest. The deficit for the month of February alone was the highest in our history at $223 billion. That’s more than the entire deficit for the year 2007. And there’s no end in sight. We’re not heading towards the iceberg. We’ve already hit it. Now we’re taking on water. We must find a way to get back to harbor to repair our ship of state before it’s too late.”
— S.L.P.
(a politician on the outs with the big dogs in her own party also.)
| 576 |
Uncle Obdicut Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:41:09am |
re: #573 RogueOne
The US military is actually more aggressively attempting to slash it’s CO2 output than any other entity on the planet. They’re taking more steps to move away from fossil fuels since they know that fuel supplies will be disrupted during AGW. They’re investing in clean-water tech because they know water supplies are going to get compromised.
They have their eye on the ball.
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Uncle Obdicut Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:42:12am |
re: #575 Ojoe
Holy crap, we’re in debt? Why didn’t someone mention this earlier?
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:44:12am |
re: #575 Ojoe
The $1.6T is now down to $1.55. We’re golden. Nothing to worry about.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:46:25am |
The wingnuts seem pretty pissed about the budget deal. Fox News and Glenn Beck probably aren’t going to help them feel better about it. The Dems may get the better end of this deal yet.
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Uncle Obdicut Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:51:24am |
re: #579 Killgore Trout
Fox News is trying to reassure them that they won.
webcache.googleusercontent.com
Next up is the debt limit. That’s the next opportunity for the GOP to really cover itself in shame.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:53:05am |
re: #579 Killgore Trout
Links? There’s a bit of that going both ways. Ezra says Boehner won and weirdly (at least to me) NRO agrees. Reason was going to pan it no matter how it came out but I haven’t read anyone else yet this morning.
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Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:54:43am |
Have I mentioned recently the policy riders folks are nitpicking over don’t have any budgetary implications, they are only instructions what an agency can or cannot spend their money on.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:55:20am |
re: #580 Obdicut
Next up is the debt limit. That’s the next opportunity for the GOP to really cover itself in shame.
What happened to worrying about the long term consequences? Increasing the debt limit weakens us domestically and internationally. They’re shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.
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Uncle Obdicut Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:56:49am |
re: #583 RogueOne
Increasing the debt limit weakens us domestically and internationally.
Heh. So you’re against raising the debt limit?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:57:22am |
re: #580 Obdicut
Fox News is trying to reassure them that they won.
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com…]
Next up is the debt limit. That’s the next opportunity for the GOP to really cover itself in shame.
I think now we have a feel for what they’re going to do. They’ll make a lot of noise, make absurd demands and make a deal at the very last second, They’ll do this with the debt limit and probably with the next budget which I think comes up in the fall. If Fox news and wingnut blogs help their viewers accept these compromises the Republicans will be ok. If the base gets too pissed it could hurt them in the next election.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:58:56am |
re: #581 RogueOne
Links? There’s a bit of that going both ways. Ezra says Boehner won and weirdly (at least to me) NRO agrees. Reason was going to pan it no matter how it came out but I haven’t read anyone else yet this morning.
I was just skimming the comments at hot air and fox nation. The unwashed masses are angry for now. That might change.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:59:27am |
re: #584 Obdicut
Heh. So you’re against raising the debt limit?
We do this every few years. What’s the point of a “limit” if we re-write the number whenever we hit it? That’s like an alcoholic who realizes he has a problem so he’s only going to drink one beer a day and ends up with a case of cheap beer in him by the end of the night.
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Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:00:20am |
re: #583 RogueOne
What happened to worrying about the long term consequences? Increasing the debt limit weakens us domestically and internationally. They’re shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.
It does nothing of the kind. Signaling to the international community that investments in American treasuries is a weak bet is what weakens us internationally. Domestically, the long term deficit is principally driven by health care costs and revenue shortfalls. The rest is bullshit.
| 589 |
RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:00:45am |
re: #586 Killgore Trout
I was just skimming the comments at hot air and fox nation. The unwashed masses are angry for now. That might change.
You’re a glutton for punishment. I do my best to stay away from the comment sections. Although, sometimes I can’t help myself.
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Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:01:23am |
re: #587 RogueOne
That’s like an alcoholic who realizes he has a problem so he’s only going to drink one beer a day and ends up with a case of cheap beer in him by the end of the night.
Except it’s not.
| 591 |
Uncle Obdicut Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:02:33am |
re: #587 RogueOne
We do this every few years. What’s the point of a “limit” if we re-write the number whenever we hit it? That’s like an alcoholic who realizes he has a problem so he’s only going to drink one beer a day and ends up with a case of cheap beer in him by the end of the night.
Can you answer the question, Rogue?
Are you against raising the debt ceiling?
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:03:04am |
re: #590 Jeff In Ohio
Except it’s not.
Except it is. We have a problem so we set a limit. Then when we hit that limit we raise it. If this were a diet our budget would already have died from diabetes.
| 593 |
First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:04:47am |
re: #562 Obdicut
Stupid name for a band and song, awesome goddamn song:
[Video]
Saw “Get the Money” and was thinking about how to stab you over the internet if it turned out to be a cover of Wu-Tang’s “Dolla Dolla Bill”.
Has a vaguely Aphex Twin aroma to it.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:04:47am |
re: #591 Obdicut
Yes. I thought the answer was pretty clear in both of my responses. We have a debt problem that we continually shift down the road. It’s snowballing and we need to get it under control now.
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Flounder Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:05:36am |
Well my family had an interseting week. Cat came to the back door on wednesday soaken wet and beat up, found out “freckles” had road rash and a dislocated tail. Shit, if he aint begging to go out this morning. Bought a new car, wonder when the honeymoon will be over with this one…
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darthstar Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:05:41am |
re: #522 Varek Raith
What I want to know is why is Santa such a jerk???
And why is he homeless?
/
And who knew Santa was jewish?
| 597 |
First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:06:00am |
re: #563 RogueOne
Rising sea levels is an immediate threat to our troops? We already have a destabilizing ME and it doesn’t have anything to do with AGW.
Take post-Katrina NOLA and transplant that scenario onto NYC or LA.
| 598 |
Uncle Obdicut Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:06:08am |
re: #594 RogueOne
Yes. I thought the answer was pretty clear in both of my responses. We have a debt problem that we continually shift down the road. It’s snowballing and we need to get it under control now.
Heh. You’re against raising the debt ceiling.
Awesome.
So, Rogue, what will be the effects of not raising the debt ceiling?
| 599 |
First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:07:45am |
re: #571 RogueOne
They won’t get the deal finalized for ‘11 until thursday. Anyone have odds on the chance they’ll blow it up and we’ll be right back where we were yesterday?
I really think it depends entirely on how many TV cameras are around.
| 600 |
Flounder Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:08:51am |
re: #598 Obdicut
What happens to the interest rates when inflation goes up. What happens to your debt repayment when interest rates go up? Inflation isn’t coming, its already here.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:10:37am |
re: #598 Obdicut
Heh. You’re against raising the debt ceiling.
Awesome.
So, Rogue, what will be the effects of not raising the debt ceiling?
Unless we cut our spending we’ll default and yes I understand that would be bad. We’ve raised it 10x in 10 years without once cutting spending. I don’t think it’s a surprise that people recognize that’s a problem.
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darthstar Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:11:10am |
Baseball and Ballet combo was pretty sweet yesterday. Lower box seats at the ballgame, and a private box at the ballet (with complimentary champagne and chocolate dipped strawberries en suite for the intermission). The only sucky thing was some asshole doing a smash and grab on the X5 as I parked in a corner lot around the corner from the Opera house…and they didn’t actually grab anything, except my work cell phone which, after I go online this morning and report missing, will be replaced with an identical model with the same number and phone book by Wednesday. And yes, it was hidden in the glove box…it also has security encryption on it so it’s useless to anyone.
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Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:11:24am |
re: #592 RogueOne
Except it is. We have a problem so we set a limit. Then when we hit that limit we raise it. If this were a diet our budget would already have died from diabetes.
Except it’s into a diet or a drinking problem, it’s a debt limit, like on a credit card.
Look, we can argue whether debt is good, bad or evil. For me it’s current circumstance. The US economy went to the brink of destruction only 18 months ago and the current, smart way out of that morass is driven by government investment. This is where we part. You believe that growth is driven in the short and long term by private investment and to fuel that, it’s lower taxes. I believe in the short term government is the driver of growth, that means living with and expecting more short term debt. I’ll agree this is not a long term solution to an robust economy, but it is my belief prioritizing short term debt in a struggling economy when rates our at a historic low is the best bet for putting the economy on firm footing for long term growth.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:12:05am |
re: #602 darthstar
That sucks. Who knew going to the opera could be so dangerous?
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darthstar Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:14:17am |
re: #594 RogueOne
Yes. I thought the answer was pretty clear in both of my responses. We have a debt problem that we continually shift down the road. It’s snowballing and we need to get it under control now.
It’s totally under control. We can stop raising it any time we want to. But we’ll raise it again now because that black guy is making us do it. Really, it’s just him. It’s not like we could get our debt under control if we stopped fighting in two foreign wars and cut the defense budget by a half-trillion dollars (and that wouldn’t hurt US security one iota, either).
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:14:52am |
re: #603 Jeff In Ohio
10x in 10 years. That’s not a “limit” that’s a farce. It’s a way to placate voters by giving them the suggestion that washington knows there’s a problem and they have it under control. It’s not working anymore.
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darthstar Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:15:12am |
re: #604 RogueOne
That sucks. Who knew going to the opera could be so dangerous?
Heh…that’s what another friend said last night. Opera hooligans. Worse than Dodger/Giants fans after too many beers.
| 608 |
Flounder Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:15:35am |
Well it is a beautiful day here in upstate NY, gonna hang some laundry and ride the motorcycle, maybe even work on the cedar siding on my garage! (I’ll never finish this friggin garage!)
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:15:53am |
re: #604 RogueOne
That sucks. Who knew going to the opera could be so dangerous?
Not an opera, but a ballet, by no less than the IMO most important composer of the 20th century:
classicalmusic.about.com
As the ballet progressed, so did the audience’s discomfort. Those in favor of Stravinksy’s work argued with those in opposition. The arguments eventually turned to brawls and police had to be notified. They arrived at intermission and successfully calmed the angry crowd (yes, the show wasn’t even half way over before people were throwing punches). As the second half commenced, police were unable to keep the audience under control and rioting resumed. Stravinsky was so taken aback by the audience’s reaction, he fled the scene before the show was over.
Decades later, this riot-inducing work was used in a Disney film ostensibly aimed at children.
Youtube Video
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Killgore Trout Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:16:06am |
We have a good old fashioned Palestinian cease fire…..
Hamas has requested a cease fire, Israel officials say
A security source says Israel is ready to escalate air strikes on Gaza if the barrage of rocket fire continues, although they are willing to wait and see if a Hamas ceasefire holds.
Heh
| 611 |
RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:18:24am |
re: #609 negativ
I brought home “Black Swan” and my spouse was confused (at first) why I was interested in a ballet movie.
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simoom Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:20:19am |
re: #489 jaunte
Interesting move by the Democrats. Just a delay?
No, the difference is the funding of the government had to pass so any attached riders would have necessarily sailed through and become law. The separated out votes the GOP got as part of the deal (on HCR & title X funding) will never pass the Senate, but the GOP feels forcing on the record votes will politically damage Dems in some marginal districts. They actually traded for a number of things they feel will be politcally advantageous, like a number of audits (which always turn up at least some degree of waste) they hope to demagogue.
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Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:22:09am |
re: #606 RogueOne
10x in 10 years. That’s not a “limit” that’s a farce. It’s a way to placate voters by giving them the suggestion that washington knows there’s a problem and they have it under control. It’s not working anymore.
And the lesson here is not that debt ceilings shouldn’t be raised because it’s been done, it’s don’t fight two wars and cut taxes.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:23:15am |
re: #610 Killgore Trout
We have a good old fashioned Palestinian cease fire…
Hamas has requested a cease fire, Israel officials say
Heh
…and how impressive is the Israeli “Iron Dome”. The ability to shoot down mortars/rockets is a complete game changer in a war. MASSIVELY impressive.
Israeli Iron Dome missile shield intercepted rocket from Gaza
guardian.co.uk
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:24:40am |
re: #613 Jeff In Ohio
And the lesson here is not that debt ceilings shouldn’t be raised because it’s been done, it’s don’t fight two wars and cut taxes.
The two wars cost us $104 billion a year. Over a decade that’s less than 70% of one years budget shortfall.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:28:11am |
re: #611 RogueOne
I brought home “Black Swan” and my spouse was confused (at first) why I was interested in a ballet movie.
What did you think of it? It looks utterly stupid to me, but I admittedly have a long history of completely misjudging things before I actually see them. For example, I somehow assumed “LOST” was retarded sitcom** until I accidentally watched an episode from season 3. Same with “House”, same with “Dexter”.
** that wasn’t true until the final few episodes. Grr!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:28:21am |
re: #614 RogueOne
…and how impressive is the Israeli “Iron Dome”. The ability to shoot down mortars/rockets is a complete game changer in a war. MASSIVELY impressive.
Israeli Iron Dome missile shield intercepted rocket from Gaza
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk…]
However, it’s worth noting that of 4 BM-21 rockets launched at Askelon, Iron Dome got 3 of them. It’s an impressive system, but it can’t stop all inbound fire. Still, it helps a great deal and it makes attacks much harder, which is all a good defensive system can do.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:29:09am |
Re: Iron Dome. Think about what that technology, on a larger scale, could mean in Korea. It would almost completely negate the threat of all that N. Korean artillery sitting across the border.
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darthstar Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:30:27am |
re: #612 simoom
In other words, Boehner gets to “defund PP” on the floor of the House so the teabaggers won’t primary him, only to have the Senate wipe their ass with his bill? I can live with that compromise.
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:30:37am |
re: #618 RogueOne
Re: Iron Dome. Think about what that technology, on a larger scale, could mean in Korea. It would almost completely negate the threat of all that N. Korean artillery sitting across the border.
It’s definitely a game changer. I’m glad they’re working but the whole thing is so awful and depressing. I can’t imagine having to live this way.
Morning lizards.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:30:45am |
re: #617 Dark_Falcon
However, it’s worth noting that of 4 BM-21 rockets launched at Askelon, Iron Dome got 3 of them. It’s an impressive system, but it can’t stop all inbound fire. Still, it helps a great deal and it makes attacks much harder, which is all a good defensive system can do.
Yet. Processing power is increasing in leaps and bounds. It’s only a matter of time before radar is able to locate and shoot faster than people can lob mortar rounds.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:31:19am |
re: #618 RogueOne
Re: Iron Dome. Think about what that technology, on a larger scale, could mean in Korea. It would almost completely negate the threat of all that N. Korean artillery sitting across the border.
No, it couldn’t. The Norks can put so many rockets in the air that they’d overload the system. Anti-rocket systems work well against insurgents firing only half-a-dozen rockets at a time. Against conventional armies firing 1200 rockets at a time, not so much.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:31:29am |
re: #619 darthstar
In other words, Boehner gets to “defund PP” on the floor of the House so the teabaggers won’t primary him, only to have the Senate wipe their ass with his bill? I can live with that compromise.
I thought the compromise was a vote on defunding in the senate. Hasn’t the house already passed it?
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Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:31:43am |
re: #615 RogueOne
The two wars cost us $104 billion a year. Over a decade that’s less than 70% of one years budget shortfall.
Fair enough. Can I add in Medicare Part D, veterans health care costs, lost productivity to the economy, the diversion of priorities from domestic issues to war issues and tax cuts?
I’ll be honest, I don’t know how many times and for what reason Bush asked for a debt ceiling increase. Obviously spending and revenues were out of whack. I’m not disagreeing they are out of whack now. I will not agree to balancing the budget on the poor, working poor and middle class. If we need to look back, I’m not voting to let the wealth trickle down. Been there, done that, it’s bullshit.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:32:01am |
re: #615 RogueOne
The two wars cost us $104 billion a year. Over a decade that’s less than 70% of one years budget shortfall.
Yet it’s NPR and Planned Parenthood that combined amount to about 0.8% of that which is what has ruined the economy.
/
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darthstar Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:32:37am |
re: #623 RogueOne
I thought the compromise was a vote on defunding in the senate. Hasn’t the house already passed it?
I’m still trying to process the dancing testicle I saw on stage last night. I haven’t been paying attention to the budget battle the last 24 hours.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:32:48am |
re: #621 RogueOne
Yet. Processing power is increasing in leaps and bounds. It’s only a matter of time before radar is able to locate and shoot faster than people can lob mortar rounds.
There’s still the fact that it take longer to reload the defensive rockets than the mortars. Iron Dome helps, but no missile defense is a magic bullet.
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Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:33:39am |
re: #625 negativ
Yet it’s NPR and Planned Parenthood that combined amount to about 0.8% of that which is what has ruined the economy.
/
Have I mentioned recently the policy riders folks are nitpicking over don’t have any budgetary implications, they are only instructions what an agency can or cannot spend their money on.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:33:44am |
re: #626 darthstar
I’m still trying to process the dancing testicle I saw on stage last night. I haven’t been paying attention to the budget battle the last 24 hours.
What?!
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:34:07am |
re: #622 Dark_Falcon
No, it couldn’t. The Norks can put so many rockets in the air that they’d overload the system. Anti-rocket systems work well against insurgents firing only half-a-dozen rockets at a time. Against conventional armies firing 1200 rockets at a time, not so much.
Which is why it needs to be scaled up. Don’t rain on my parade!//
In a conventional war the biggest threat to ground troops is artillery. This would be a major leap forward for infantry fighting.
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Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:35:09am |
re: #623 RogueOne
I thought the compromise was a vote on defunding in the senate. Hasn’t the house already passed it?
I’m pretty sure htey need to rewrite the bill to the current agreed levels and repass it, though I haven’t looked at the fine print in this morning stories. Shit, it’s Saturday - bagels, coffee and sex.
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darthstar Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:35:52am |
re: #629 Dark_Falcon
What?!
At the ballet…there was this character in a greyish full-body suit with little hairs coming out all over it…looked like a testicle bouncing around on stage. I actually broke theatre rules to videotape the fucker. Will post later.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:37:04am |
re: #624 Jeff In Ohio
Fair enough. Can I add in Medicare Part D, veterans health care costs, lost productivity to the economy, the diversion of priorities from domestic issues to war issues and tax cuts?
I’ll be honest, I don’t know how many times and for what reason Bush asked for a debt ceiling increase. Obviously spending and revenues were out of whack. I’m not disagreeing they are out of whack now. I will not agree to balancing the budget on the poor, working poor and middle class. If we need to look back, I’m not voting to let the wealth trickle down. Been there, done that, it’s bullshit.
I believe Bush raised it 8x and Obama 3. You probably won’t be surprised to learn that the repubs supported those under bush and the dems did not and they’ve managed to switch sides since the election. They’ll kick and scream for the cameras (and to get some of their pet issues funded/de-funded in a compromise) but they’ll vote for it. They always vote for it.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:37:36am |
re: #625 negativ
Yet it’s NPR and Planned Parenthood that combined amount to about 0.8% of that which is what has ruined the economy.
/
Note to self: This is approximately the most grammatically fucked-up sentence you have ever written, at least while sober.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:37:38am |
re: #631 Jeff In Ohio
I’m pretty sure htey need to rewrite the bill to the current agreed levels and repass it, though I haven’t looked at the fine print in this morning stories. Shit, it’s Saturday - bagels, coffee and sex.
Eww. How big of a hole do those bagels come with?
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:38:28am |
re: #634 negativ
Note to self: This is approximately the most grammatically fucked-up sentence you have ever written, at least while sober.
And yet we understood you perfectly. So who is crazier? :>
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Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:38:33am |
re: #635 RogueOne
Eww. How big of a hole do those bagels come with?
Really, it’s the coffee that hurts.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:39:13am |
re: #628 Jeff In Ohio
Have I mentioned recently the policy riders folks are nitpicking over don’t have any budgetary implications, they are only instructions what an agency can or cannot spend their money on.
Elaborate.
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:39:26am |
re: #635 RogueOne
Eww. How big of a hole do those bagels come with?
And here I thought Congress critters having sex was pretty disgusting.
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simoom Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:40:34am |
re: #615 RogueOne
The two wars cost us $104 billion a year. Over a decade that’s less than 70% of one years budget shortfall.
It’s more like 170-185 billion a year not including the unfunded liability that is future care for the Iraq & Afghanistan war veterans of which I’ve seen lifetime estimates north of a trillion dollars.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:40:53am |
Morning Lizards … I’m not much of a Karma guy, so i was as shocked as anyone that my comment was in the top ten. Anytime something resonates with this crew, it probably makes too much sense to ever happen!
Thanks
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Simply Sarah Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:42:24am |
re: #633 RogueOne
I believe Bush raised it 8x and Obama 3. You probably won’t be surprised to learn that the repubs supported those under bush and the dems did not and they’ve managed to switch sides since the election. They’ll kick and scream for the cameras (and to get some of their pet issues funded/de-funded in a compromise) but they’ll vote for it. They always vote for it.
This is why many commentators have said the whole concept of a dept ceiling is stupid and pointless. An increase is always going to pass. It has to or the result would be utter disaster. It’s just a force recurring vote that’s 100% purely political, with the party in power voting yes and the one in the minority getting to show how ‘serious’ they are about the debt by voting no. It might be somewhat different now, with the GOP needing Democrats to make up for Tea Party no votes, but it doesn’t really change the overall situation. The hole silly concept should just be scrapped.
If anything, it’s a bad place for the GOP to be, since the leadership probably realizes that if the Democrats actually hold tough on not making major concessions, they need to raise it anyway or risk the country falling into depression. This will not play well with the base.
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darthstar Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:43:14am |
re: #634 negativ
Note to self: This is approximately the most grammatically fucked-up sentence you have ever written, at least while sober.
Actually, it’s not grammatically incorrect. The dual use of the demonstrative adjective “that” makes it a bit awkward, but overall it’s fine:
Yet it’s NPR and Planned Parenthood that combined[SUBJECT]
amount [VERB]
to about 0.8%[OBJECT]
of that which is what has ruined the economy.[ADJECTIVE DESCRIBING OBJECT]
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:46:50am |
re: #643 darthstar
It’s nonetheless clunky and awkward, and even though I wrote the damned thing, I had to read it a couple of times to figure out wtf I was trying to say. Obviously I have early-onset Alzheimer’s.
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darthstar Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:47:47am |
re: #642 Simply Sarah
This is why many commentators have said the whole concept of a dept ceiling is stupid and pointless.
I prefer “debt loft” - sounds hip and architecturally modern.
“Debt attic” is probably more accurate, because that’s where you stick shit you never intend to deal with again while you’re still breathing.
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Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:47:50am |
re: #638 negativ
Elaborate.
Policy riders only instruct the agency receiving the money that they need to fund or defund something, they don’t actual effect the level of funding for that agency. So for instance, the rider regarding the defunding of NPR does not reduce the budget for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, it only prevents CPB from using any of it’s budget to fund NPR. The rider defunding Planned Parenthood does not reduce the budget for Title X, iti only restricts Title X from funding Planned Parenthood.
etc. etc.
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darthstar Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:48:27am |
re: #644 negativ
It’s nonetheless clunky and awkward, and even though I wrote the damned thing, I had to read it a couple of times to figure out wtf I was trying to say. Obviously I have early-onset Alzheimer’s.
Clunky and awkward, yes, but I’m afraid I can’t fail you for your grammar.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:49:19am |
re: #642 Simply Sarah
This is why many commentators have said the whole concept of a dept ceiling is stupid and pointless. An increase is always going to pass. It has to or the result would be utter disaster. It’s just a force recurring vote that’s 100% purely political, with the party in power voting yes and the one in the minority getting to show how ‘serious’ they are about the debt by voting no. It might be somewhat different now, with the GOP needing Democrats to make up for Tea Party no votes, but it doesn’t really change the overall situation. The hole silly concept should just be scrapped.
If anything, it’s a bad place for the GOP to be, since the leadership probably realizes that if the Democrats actually hold tough on not making major concessions, they need to raise it anyway or risk the country falling into depression. This will not play well with the base.
Exactly and it’s just like last night which was nothing more than an exercise in CYA. The biggest fight behind closed doors was how to cover dems/repubs in contentious districts so they can vote against party lines.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:49:29am |
Update on the California synagogue bombing…
Santa Monica Synagogue Explosion Suspect Sought by Police
Ron Hirsch, 60, a transient who regularly sought charity from members of the synagogue and community center is wanted as a suspect by an FBI and police task force.
….
Police say that Hirsch, who uses the alias Israel Fisher was described as a male with brown hair and green eyes who stands 5’07” tall and weighs 207 pounds. He is known to frequent synagogues and Jewish community centers, and he is considered extremely dangerous.As a result, institutions throughout the area have been warned. Hirsch is considered extremely dangerous, authorities said.
A flyer has been circulated through the ADL to the Jewish community.
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rwdflynavy Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:49:38am |
Good Morning Lizards. I’ve been laying low at Sandals St. Lucia with my bride celebrating our 20th anniversary with a vow renewal.
The Vet in this video is my old squadron CO, CAPT Wayne Tunick.
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darthstar Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:51:16am |
re: #649 Killgore Trout
Update on the California synagogue bombing…
Santa Monica Synagogue Explosion Suspect Sought by Police
At least it wasn’t a hate crime. We’ve got enough unstable people on the street who need psychological counseling (thank you Reagan)…it’s good not to be distracted by hateful bigots for once.
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Simply Sarah Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:51:26am |
re: #648 RogueOne
Exactly and it’s just like last night which was nothing more than an exercise in CYA. The biggest fight behind closed doors was how to cover dems/repubs in contentious districts so they can vote against party lines.
Well, that’s because it’s much easier and safer politically (In the short term, at least) to wave your arms around and make empty gestures than it is to actually sit down and bang out real solutions that may involve doing things that aren’t popular.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:51:26am |
re: #650 rwdflynavy
Good to see ya! I was concerned they shipped you off somewhere backwards…like alabama or something.
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Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:51:27am |
re: #639 marjoriemoon
And here I thought Congress critters having sex was pretty disgusting.
When I have sex, it is beautiful.
(the bagel doesn’t look so good)
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Romantic Heretic Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:51:39am |
re: #627 Dark_Falcon
There’s still the fact that it take longer to reload the defensive rockets than the mortars. Iron Dome helps, but no missile defense is a magic bullet.
As Jerry Pournelle put it in The Mercenary, “The best a soldier can do is buy time.”
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:52:30am |
re: #651 darthstar
At least it wasn’t a hate crime. We’ve got enough unstable people on the street who need psychological counseling (thank you Reagan)…it’s good not to be distracted by hateful bigots for once.
5’7” and 205lbs. He obviously doesn’t hate food.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:52:54am |
re: #645 darthstar
I prefer “debt loft” - sounds hip and architecturally modern.
“Debt attic” is probably more accurate, because that’s where you stick shit you never intend to deal with again while you’re still breathing.
It’s also where people who aren’t me somehow manage to find an authentic letter written by Ben Franklin that’s the 18th century equivalent of cyber-sex, hidden in the frame behind a shitty paint-by-numbers picture that Grandma bought for 19 cents at a garage sale in 1971. Then they go on Antiques Roadshow and find out that it’s worth eleventy zillion dollars.
| 658 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:53:21am |
re: #630 RogueOne
Which is why it needs to be scaled up. Don’t rain on my parade!//
In a conventional war the biggest threat to ground troops is artillery. This would be a major leap forward for infantry fighting.
It would reduce the impact of artillery, not remove it. A sophisticated foe like China would attack the radars themselves with Anti-Radiation Missiles (ARMs). There is no silver bullet. Sooner or later, some foe will counter your weapon, no matter how good it is.
| 659 |
darthstar Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:53:32am |
re: #650 rwdflynavy
Good Morning Lizards. I’ve been laying low at Sandals St. Lucia with my bride celebrating our 20th anniversary with a vow renewal.
[Video]
Sounds great! Congratulations, and I hope you’re both nekkid. (and let me just say I’m glad the video wasn’t of the vow renewal - the “sit down or leave” caption had me wondering how well that ceremony went. :) )
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:53:46am |
re: #652 Simply Sarah
Well, that’s because it’s much easier and safer politically (In the short term, at least) to wave your arms around and make empty gestures than it is to actually sit down and bang out real solutions that may involve doing things that aren’t popular.
Quite Concur.
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darthstar Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:54:39am |
re: #654 Jeff In Ohio
When I have sex, it is beautiful.
(the bagel doesn’t look so good)
I didn’t comment about your having sex with bagels, though when you posted about coffee, bagels and sex I did wonder what exactly you had in mind.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:54:56am |
re: #657 negativ
Or the guy on pawn wars who was not only given but paid to haul away an authentic shelby cobra body and frame.
| 663 |
What, me worry? Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:55:15am |
re: #651 darthstar
At least it wasn’t a hate crime. We’ve got enough unstable people on the street who need psychological counseling (thank you Reagan)…it’s good not to be distracted by hateful bigots for once.
Because he has a Jewish name? I’m not convinced it’s not a hate crime, but it’s sure a weird story.
Where do transients (homeless?) get pipe bombs?
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simoom Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:56:39am |
re: #619 darthstar
In other words, Boehner gets to “defund PP” on the floor of the House so the teabaggers won’t primary him, only to have the Senate wipe their ass with his bill? I can live with that compromise.
There was at least one sh*t sandwich for Dems in the deal which was banning locally-raised tax dollars in D.C. from being used to for abortion services. AFAIK that ban had actually previously been in place until the Dems managed to lift it in late 2009.
| 665 |
Simply Sarah Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:57:22am |
re: #660 Dark_Falcon
Quite Concur.
Indeed. I think that even if we both might have a lot of disagreements on what actually should be done, we both agree that it would be nice if a real grown-up discussion over trying to work out something would happen in Washington. One that would not involve treating the American people like they were clueless (Which may be wishful thinking) and that focused on reality (Ditto) and what was actually important (Double ditto).
| 666 |
RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:57:24am |
re: #658 Dark_Falcon
It would reduce the impact of artillery, not remove it. A sophisticated foe like China would attack the radars themselves with Anti-Radiation Missiles (ARMs). There is no silver bullet. Sooner or later, some foe will counter your weapon, no matter how good it is.
Umm, shooting a missile at a weapon designed to shoot down missiles is a good way to lose a lot of missiles. Like I said, it’s not perfect (yet) and don’t rain on my parade!
Secondly, I take issue with China being classified as “sophisticated”. There’s a short list of professional militaries in the world and they aren’t on it.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:57:41am |
re: #646 Jeff In Ohio
Policy riders only instruct the agency receiving the money that they need to fund or defund something, they don’t actual effect the level of funding for that agency. So for instance, the rider regarding the defunding of NPR does not reduce the budget for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, it only prevents CPB from using any of it’s budget to fund NPR. The rider defunding Planned Parenthood does not reduce the budget for Title X, iti only restricts Title X from funding Planned Parenthood.
etc. etc.
In practice, what are they supposed to do with the money, then? Ok, Corporation for Public Broadcasting, here’s your money, just like always. Just don’t use it for public broadcasting. Unless there’s some important point I’m not grasping (note: this is likely), that somehow seems even more wasteful.
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KenJen Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:58:32am |
Okay. If the govt is not shut down why can’t I access this web site? And what’s with the message? training.fema.gov
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Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:59:39am |
re: #661 darthstar
I didn’t comment about your having sex with bagels, though when you posted about coffee, bagels and sex I did wonder what exactly you had in mind.
How much time do you have?
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darthstar Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:59:40am |
re: #663 marjoriemoon
Because he has a Jewish name? I’m not convinced it’s not a hate crime, but it’s sure a weird story.
Where do transients (homeless?) get pipe bombs?
He frequented the synagogue and community looking for charity. Maybe he felt that his own people should take care of him (like the Mormons profess to do - note I only said “profess”) and he retaliated because he felt they weren’t giving him his due. It’s entirely possible - doesn’t make his actions any better - but it’s definitely better than having an unidentified bomber out looking for synagogues to bomb.
Transients aren’t always homeless…they’re transient. They may live in a hotel by the week, their car a bit, and then another hotel after they scratch together some cash. Having 40 or 50 bucks and a Home Depot near by is enough to build a pipe bomb.
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darthstar Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:00:36am |
re: #664 simoom
There was at least one sh*t sandwich for Dems in the deal which was banning locally-raised tax dollars in D.C. from being used to for abortion services. AFAIK that ban had actually previously been in place until the Dems managed to lift it in late 2009.
Republican obsession with the fetus is really disturbing.
| 672 |
darthstar Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:01:20am |
re: #671 darthstar
Republican obsession with the fetus is really disturbing.
In fact, a Bachmann/fetus ticket would probably win the GOP primary walking away.
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Simply Sarah Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:01:43am |
re: #666 RogueOne
Umm, shooting a missile at a weapon designed to shoot down missiles is a good way to lose a lot of missiles. Like I said, it’s not perfect (yet) and don’t rain on my parade!
Secondly, I take issue with China being classified as “sophisticated”. There’s a short list of professional militaries in the world and they aren’t on it.
China isn’t there yet, but they’re moving towards it. They, at least, have a lot of potential available soldiers already (Although I’m not sure how many of them are young enough to fit in the prime age range for combat troops).
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Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:03:06am |
re: #667 negativ
In practice, what are they supposed to do with the money, then? Ok, Corporation for Public Broadcasting, here’s your money, just like always. Just don’t use it for public broadcasting. Unless there’s some important point I’m not grasping (note: this is likely), that somehow seems even more wasteful.
CPB funds a lot of different things along with NPR.
cpb.org
They would presumably use the money for something else.
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:03:41am |
re: #670 darthstar
He frequented the synagogue and community looking for charity. Maybe he felt that his own people should take care of him (like the Mormons profess to do - note I only said “profess”) and he retaliated because he felt they weren’t giving him his due. It’s entirely possible - doesn’t make his actions any better - but it’s definitely better than having an unidentified bomber out looking for synagogues to bomb.
Transients aren’t always homeless…they’re transient. They may live in a hotel by the week, their car a bit, and then another hotel after they scratch together some cash. Having 40 or 50 bucks and a Home Depot near by is enough to build a pipe bomb.
That last bit is the definition of homeless, no permanent living space. I know a number of homeless folks who fit that description.
Choosing to bomb someone who helps you (and they did) indicates a sick mind. I’m sure that’s what it’s about, or maybe it was his way to get close to them and be trusted. He also has at least one alias, maybe more, so who knows if he’s even Jewish or made up the name.
They’ll figure it out I’m sure.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:04:14am |
re: #663 marjoriemoon
Because he has a Jewish name? I’m not convinced it’s not a hate crime, but it’s sure a weird story.
Where do transients (homeless?) get pipe bombs?
From bad guys who might pay them to be “terrorists for a day?”. Homeless folks live in the moment to survive, they will do stuff for money. Dangerous and sad.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:04:41am |
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:05:47am |
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Simply Sarah Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:05:55am |
re: #675 marjoriemoon
That last bit is the definition of homeless, no permanent living space. I know a number of homeless folks who fit that description.
Choosing to bomb someone who helps you (and they did) indicates a sick mind. I’m sure that’s what it’s about, or maybe it was his way to get close to them and be trusted. He also has at least one alias, maybe more, so who knows if he’s even Jewish or made up the name.
They’ll figure it out I’m sure.
Well, it wouldn’t surprise me if he has some serious mental issues, since those tend to make up a higher percentage of people in that sort of living situation, for obvious reasons.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:06:03am |
re: #668 KenJen
Okay. If the govt is not shut down why can’t I access this web site? And what’s with the message? [Link: training.fema.gov…]
Alex Jones would say that this is a pre-arranged coded signal to execute Special Order 13, which means They round us all up and put us into concentration camps, because New World Order.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:07:20am |
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Simply Sarah Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:07:28am |
re: #678 marjoriemoon
re: #676 _RememberTonyC
Both very true, but one would think he’d have more pressing things to spend money on. Like I say, a sick mind.
Sadly, part of having mental illness often involves not understanding that you’re actually sick, lacking the ability to get treatment, and/or not trusting anyone to help.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:08:08am |
re: #678 marjoriemoon
re: #676 _RememberTonyC
Both very true, but one would think he’d have more pressing things to spend money on. Like I say, a sick mind.
As a teen we used to build them. I had a friend who lived on a farm off a big lake. Blowing up stumps and tossing them in the water is a fun saturday afternoon when you live in the middle of cornfields.
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darthstar Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:08:24am |
re: #677 RogueOne
Lowes has a big DIY section.
I’m very happy to report that there’s a mom and pop hardware store (and they serve fresh filtered coffee they make by the cup while you wait) down the street from me that I can use, and if they don’t have what I need, a privately owned Ace Hardware store in Half Moon Bay. I don’t have to go to Lowe’s, or Home Despot, for most of my needs. Fuck the big box.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:09:05am |
Huffpoo: Israel Hits Hamas Targets In Gaza
The comments aren’t the usual anti-Israel crap. Looks like they’re cleaning up over there.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:09:33am |
re: #666 RogueOne
Umm, shooting a missile at a weapon designed to shoot down missiles is a good way to lose a lot of missiles. Like I said, it’s not perfect (yet) and don’t rain on my parade!
ARMs are smaller than artillery systems and faster, too. They also have a different trajectory, and the system would need to be agile enough to recognize them.
Secondly, I take issue with China being classified as “sophisticated”. There’s a short list of professional militaries in the world and they aren’t on it.
They should be on your list. Their air force is improving rapidly.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:09:35am |
re: #682 Simply Sarah
Sadly, part of having mental illness often involves not understanding that you’re actually sick, lacking the ability to get treatment, and/or not trusting anyone to help.
And making very poor decisions when confronted with something outside of their comfort zone. This generally leads to danger for all involved.
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darthstar Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:09:38am |
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darthstar Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:10:52am |
re: #686 Dark_Falcon
ARMs are smaller than artillery systems and faster, too. They also have a different trajectory, and the system would need to be agile enough to recognize them.
They should be on your list. Their air force is improving rapidly.
There is still no defense against boiling balls of tar lobbed from a catapult.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:11:21am |
re: #684 darthstar
I’m very happy to report that there’s a mom and pop hardware store (and they serve fresh filtered coffee they make by the cup while you wait) down the street from me that I can use, and if they don’t have what I need, a privately owned Ace Hardware store in Half Moon Bay. I don’t have to go to Lowe’s, or Home Despot, for most of my needs. Fuck the big box.
I’ve actually used a family owned Ace for daily hardware needs at my shop but when you’re out of town a lot having a lowes card is a necessity. Otherwise I buy online. I can buy a lot of my steel/hardware needs cheaper online and including shipping still come out ahead of what it would cost me locally.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:11:46am |
re: #688 darthstar
Sadder than bumfights was how popular it got before someone said, “We should be offended by this now that we’re all seeing it.”
The human equivalent of cock fighting … Immoral beyond belief
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:12:06am |
re: #682 Simply Sarah
Sadly, part of having mental illness often involves not understanding that you’re actually sick, lacking the ability to get treatment, and/or not trusting anyone to help.
Indeed, it’s a huge, multi-faceted problem. Living on the street can make you a little cagey in short order. Particularly for women. They also get attacked/raped more often.
I would mention that it would serve communities to have more shelters and help people get on their feet, especially if children are involved. Not that that hasn’t been cut also.
I’ve debated about doing a page about the homeless people I’ve met. I’m one of those who gives them money and food. I just don’t know if there’s an interest.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:12:25am |
re: #685 Killgore Trout
Huffpoo: Israel Hits Hamas Targets In Gaza
The comments aren’t the usual anti-Israel crap. Looks like they’re cleaning up over there.
Don’t bet on it, Killgore. What happened is that Hamas did something particularly indefensible (firing an ATGM at a school bus), and as a result the Israel-hater have been temporarily shamed into silence. But those moonbats are as resistant to logic as wingnuts are, so you may be assured that they’ll be barking again soon enough.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:12:37am |
re: #686 Dark_Falcon
ARMs are smaller than artillery systems and faster, too. They also have a different trajectory, and the system would need to be agile enough to recognize them.
They should be on your list. Their air force is improving rapidly.
True but having good equipment doesn’t make you professional or sophisticated.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:13:35am |
re: #689 darthstar
There is still no defense against boiling balls of tar lobbed from a catapult.
Your new neighbors learning that the hard way?
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darthstar Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:14:42am |
re: #691 _RememberTonyC
The human equivalent of cock fighting … Immoral beyond belief
I never got into cock fighting…I guess I thought my penis wasn’t big enough…
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Winny Spencer Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:14:47am |
re: #693 Dark_Falcon
Don’t bet on it, Killgore. What happened is that Hamas did something particularly indefensible (firing an ATGM at a school bus), and as a result the Israel-hater have been temporarily shamed into silence. But those moonbats are as resistant to logic as wingnuts are, so you may be assured that they’ll be barking again soon enough.
It’s still the same Huffpoo, with emphasis on poo.
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Simply Sarah Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:15:27am |
re: #692 marjoriemoon
Indeed, it’s a huge, multi-faceted problem. Living on the street can make you a little cagey in short order. Particularly for women. They also get attacked/raped more often.
I would mention that it would serve communities to have more shelters and help people get on their feet, especially if children are involved. Not that that hasn’t been cut also.
I’ve debated about doing a page about the homeless people I’ve met. I’m one of those who gives them money and food. I just don’t know if there’s an interest.
It’s the sad legacy of the well-intended, but semi-disastrous overreaction that was radical deinstitutionalization.
And I would be interested (I say this now, but I give at least even odds I’d completely miss such a page >.>).
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:15:38am |
Blab, blab, blab… talk, talk, talk… we won, they won, we all lost, who are we talking about… all that bullshit.
Fine… got it… no.. the “news” is reporting that ORB (Obama, Ried and Boehner) agreed on $38.5 billion in spending cuts.
I’ve been searching the internet for any info on what those cuts are comprised of, or a least a high level list of some sort.
Anyone… I can’t find it.
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darthstar Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:15:46am |
re: #695 RogueOne
Your new neighbors learning that the hard way?
I only keep the kettle of tar and catapult for self defense. But it beats trying to feed 200 archers every day.
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:16:20am |
re: #681 negativ
c.f. Bumfights, one of the most depressing statements about human nature that I’ve ever seen.
Oh! I know! We’ve had a lot of incidents, I’d say 3 or 4? (which I think is a lot) over the last year where these teens beat the homeless for the hell of it - because they can. It’s just horrifying.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:16:37am |
re: #688 darthstar
Sadder than bumfights was how popular it got before someone said, “We should be offended by this now that we’re all seeing it.”
When I worked at Woodfield Mall, had a ‘just looking’ guy who was wearing a Bumfights shirt. I asked him about it, and he said he thought that the site was ‘cool’. My reply was “We who are about to die salute you.”, delivered in a tone as coolly ironic as I could muster. He didn’t get it, but I didn’t expect him to. But Emperor Commodus would have been happy to ‘entertain’ him.
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darthstar Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:16:57am |
re: #699 Walter L. Newton
Blab, blab, blab… talk, talk, talk… we won, they won, we all lost, who are we talking about… all that bullshit.
Fine… got it… no.. the “news” is reporting that ORB (Obama, Ried and Boehner) agreed on $38.5 billion in spending cuts.
I’ve been searching the internet for any info on what those cuts are comprised of, or a least a high level list of some sort.
Anyone… I can’t find it.
Try these keywords in google and your search will be more fruitful: “budget +compromose +hot +lesbian +boob”
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Ericus58 Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:16:59am |
re: #650 rwdflynavy
Good Morning Lizards. I’ve been laying low at Sandals St. Lucia with my bride celebrating our 20th anniversary with a vow renewal.
The Vet in this video is my old squadron CO, CAPT Wayne Tunick.
[Video]
Who the hell is that douchebag of a congress critter?
He needs to sit down - like out-of-office, next election cycle.
Pontificating asshole.
I’ll stand next to that Captain any day.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:17:38am |
re: #694 RogueOne
True but having good equipment doesn’t make you professional or sophisticated.
No, it doesn’t. But they’ve been flying a lot more in the last few years, and more flying time does make you a better pilot.
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darthstar Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:17:39am |
re: #703 darthstar
Try these keywords in google and your search will be more fruitful: “budget +compromose +hot +lesbian +boob”
Compromise….pimf.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:18:27am |
re: #705 Dark_Falcon
No, it doesn’t. But they’ve been flying a lot more in the last few years, and more flying time does make you a better pilot.
worrying about getting shot at makes you a better pilot.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:19:14am |
re: #696 darthstar
I never got into cock fighting…I guess I thought my penis wasn’t big enough…
SMACK!
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:19:16am |
re: #698 Simply Sarah
It’s the sad legacy of the well-intended, but semi-disastrous overreaction that was radical deinstitutionalization.
Ah la Reagan, btw.
And I would be interested (I say this now, but I give at least even odds I’d completely miss such a page >.>).
I probably wouldn’t do it unless I can promote some shelters or give a way for people to get involved. I just think their stories are fascinating and there’s never 2 alike.
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darthstar Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:19:32am |
re: #707 RogueOne
worrying about getting shot at makes you a better pilot.
Unless you’re John McCain
(sorry…couldn’t resist mocking that fucker with this golden opportunity)
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Simply Sarah Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:19:38am |
re: #701 marjoriemoon
Oh! I know! We’ve had a lot of incidents, I’d say 3 or 4? (which I think is a lot) over the last year where these teens beat the homeless for the hell of it - because they can. It’s just horrifying.
I feel ill every time I see a story about that kind of thing. I mean, I was stupid when I was younger (Granted, I’m still pretty young and, much to my dismay, still sometimes stupid), but the idea of harming another living thing, never mind a person, just because I could never even remotely crossed my mind since I did the whole magnifying glass with ants thing when I was about 8. What possesses people to do that? Am I just naive to think other people have mindsets like mine/
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:19:40am |
re: #706 darthstar
Compromise…pimf.
I already tried waste+my+time and all that came up was a picture of you.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:20:05am |
re: #707 RogueOne
worrying about getting shot at makes you a better pilot.
Actually, it’s realistic training and plenty of flying time that do the trick.
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darthstar Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:20:17am |
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:20:21am |
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:21:01am |
re: #711 Simply Sarah
I feel ill every time I see a story about that kind of thing. I mean, I was stupid when I was younger (Granted, I’m still pretty young and, much to my dismay, still sometimes stupid), but the idea of harming another living thing, never mind a person, just because I could never even remotely crossed my mind since I did the whole magnifying glass with ants thing when I was about 8. What possesses people to do that? Am I just naive to think other people have mindsets like mine/
You’re incredibly naive to think that some people have minds at all.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:21:35am |
re: #710 darthstar
Unless you’re John McCain
(sorry…couldn’t resist mocking that fucker with this golden opportunity)
STFU He fought and suffered for his country. You don’t have to like his politics, but if you disrespect his service you will catch Hell from me.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:22:38am |
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darthstar Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:23:07am |
re: #715 RogueOne
re: #710 darthstar
burn down one aircraft carrier and you’re marked for life.
I could respect his career if he showed it the same respect. But he uses it as a shield against criticism while going against everything he claimed he was for. Like Duke Cunningham - yes, they made a movie about him, but he’s no longer a congressman…just an inmate.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:23:36am |
re: #714 darthstar
Wow, D_F…nice smack. How do you find pants that fit?
I go to Martin’s Big&Tall in Villa Park, IL. :P
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darthstar Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:24:02am |
re: #717 Dark_Falcon
STFU He fought and suffered for his country. You don’t have to like his politics, but if you disrespect his service you will catch Hell from me.
I mock the John McCain who exists today. Not the guy who survived 5 years of hell in Viet Nam.
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Simply Sarah Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:24:07am |
re: #709 marjoriemoon
Ah la Reagan, btw.
I probably wouldn’t do it unless I can promote some shelters or give a way for people to get involved. I just think their stories are fascinating and there’s never 2 alike.
I can’t totally blame Reagan or any single person for deinstitutionalization. A lot of it was a cultural reaction to seeing the conditions at some mental hospitals, which could be, admittedly, atrocious.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:24:33am |
re: #718 Dark_Falcon
He didn’t burn anything, it was another plane’s rockets that fired on the Saratoga. He was lucky to escape alive.
It was a joke. He has more than earned the honor of being a real hero but that doesn’t mean we can’t have a little fun at his expense.
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Simply Sarah Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:24:36am |
re: #716 Walter L. Newton
You’re incredibly naive to think that some people have minds at all.
Touché.
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:25:04am |
re: #711 Simply Sarah
I feel ill every time I see a story about that kind of thing. I mean, I was stupid when I was younger (Granted, I’m still pretty young and, much to my dismay, still sometimes stupid), but the idea of harming another living thing, never mind a person, just because I could never even remotely crossed my mind since I did the whole magnifying glass with ants thing when I was about 8. What possesses people to do that? Am I just naive to think other people have mindsets like mine/
I don’t know. It’s just awful. Budding sociopaths.
Actually though, I know some pretty old folks who are awfully dumb so maybe it’s not so much about age as… opening your mind? A dose of empathy probably goes a long way.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:27:58am |
re: #721 darthstar
I mock the John McCain who exists today. Not the guy who survived 5 years of hell in Viet Nam.
They’re the same man. Moreover, understand that getting hit by AA fire is statistical, at least in part. You can do everything right and still get blown away if the other guy gets lucky.
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darthstar Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:28:00am |
okay…time to go buy some fresh bagels and eggs for the family coming over for breakfast. I hope the salmon smokehouse around the corner opens before they get here…but I’ve got a shitload of hand cut bacon, so it should all be good.
Play nice, everyone.
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:28:03am |
re: #722 Simply Sarah
I can’t totally blame Reagan or any single person for deinstitutionalization. A lot of it was a cultural reaction to seeing the conditions at some mental hospitals, which could be, admittedly, atrocious.
Oh no no… there’s plenty of reason to blame Reagan.
Almost ten years after Ronald Reagan left office as president, the legacy of his administration continues to be studied. What is almost indisputable is that the changes in public policy that were implemented during the 1980s were sweeping and marked a turning point in American domestic policy. Faced with increasing competition from overseas, American business found it necessary to alter the social contract. This would require a realignment of the political economy so as to weaken labor unions and the social safety net. In Reagan, the Right found a spokesman capable of aligning conservatives, centrists, and working class whites. With this coalition, Reagan was able to bring about a number of reactionary changes in public policy (Alford, 1988).
This paper provides an illustration of this co-optation by examining the policies regarding involuntary commitment of the mentally ill. The shifts in such policies were not the result of overt attempts at change, but rather part of an overall effort to realign the political economy to be more profitable for business. The overall result was that political discourse shifted from a focus on social policy to a focus on fiscal policy. As such, social programs that necessitated financial outlays on the part of the federal government were overlooked in favour of policies that seemed less costly.
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Simply Sarah Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:29:58am |
re: #725 marjoriemoon
I don’t know. It’s just awful. Budding sociopaths.
Actually though, I know some pretty old folks who are awfully dumb so maybe it’s not so much about age as… opening your mind? A dose of empathy probably goes a long way.
Indeed. The apparently lack of it in many people is something that constantly disappoints me. I admit to having some issues with it at times in my life, but that’s something I’ve worked hard to improve upon.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:30:21am |
re: #703 darthstar
Try these keywords in google and your search will be more fruitful: “budget +compromose +hot +lesbian +boob”
Incomplete. You must also add “+4chan”
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:30:21am |
re: #729 marjoriemoon
When someone calls Reagan’s policies ‘reactionary’ and speaks that writer does, I categorize them as a left-liberal and dismiss their argument accordingly.
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:31:14am |
re: #732 Dark_Falcon
When someone calls Reagan’s policies ‘reactionary’ and speaks that writer does, I categorize them as a left-liberal and dismiss their argument accordingly.
That whole paper is footnoted directly to Reagan’s policies. It’s not partisan. It’s the logical conclusion.
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Simply Sarah Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:31:43am |
re: #729 marjoriemoon
Oh no no… there’s plenty of reason to blame Reagan.
[Link: www.sociology.org…]
Well, OK, it’s true Reagan was one of the major standard-bearers for the shift to some of the current mindsets on social policy.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:31:49am |
re: #726 negativ
*tears*
Why is this blank?
LGF ate my missive.
For the best, I suppose.
Just pretend that it was profound and hilarious and thought-provoking.
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:32:22am |
re: #733 marjoriemoon
That whole paper is footnoted directly to Reagan’s policies. It’s not partisan. It’s the logical conclusion.
IF you’re talking about the increasing homelessness problem and the inability to care for those with mental sickness in a better way.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:33:17am |
re: #727 Dark_Falcon
They’re the same man. Moreover, understand that getting hit by AA fire is statistical, at least in part. You can do everything right and still get blown away if the other guy gets lucky.
OK Walter, what’d I do wrong with that one?
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Uncle Obdicut Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:33:40am |
re: #732 Dark_Falcon
When someone calls Reagan’s policies ‘reactionary’ and speaks that writer does, I categorize them as a left-liberal and dismiss their argument accordingly.
If someone is ‘liberal’, ‘right’, ‘center’ or whatever, dismissing their argument without understanding it is foolish.
If you have reason to believe that the person themselves is a faulty thinker, that’s fine. But ideology is no barrier to accurate thought.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:33:49am |
re: #737 Dark_Falcon
OK Walter, what’d I do wrong with that one?
You got hit by statistical AA fire.
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abolitionist Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:33:53am |
re: #618 RogueOne
Re: Iron Dome. Think about what that technology, on a larger scale, could mean in Korea. It would almost completely negate the threat of all that N. Korean artillery sitting across the border.
A missile that isn’t required to hit another missile will always tend to be a less expensive one (with conventional payloads, anyway).
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:34:39am |
re: #737 Dark_Falcon
OK Walter, what’d I do wrong with that one?
Wasn’t friendly fire, I assure you.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:35:14am |
re: #733 marjoriemoon
That whole paper is footnoted directly to Reagan’s policies. It’s not partisan. It’s the logical conclusion.
That’s his interpretation. I’d argue that Reagan saw policies that were failing, and made the required changes. The result was a tremendous growth of the economy.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:35:59am |
re: #741 Walter L. Newton
Wasn’t friendly fire, I assure you.
I know. You don’t seem to like me that much these days.
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Simply Sarah Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:38:20am |
re: #738 Obdicut
If someone is ‘liberal’, ‘right’, ‘center’ or whatever, dismissing their argument without understanding it is foolish.
If you have reason to believe that the person themselves is a faulty thinker, that’s fine. But ideology is no barrier to accurate thought.
Correct. I am, certainly, left-leaning (At the very least), but I try to at least give any idea a fair evaluation. Now, I’m not going to pretend I always succeed and I most definitely often have to struggle with knee-jerk reactions and suspicions, but I attempt to do my best, since in the end I only want what will be best for people, regardless of if the solutions are left or right or center or up or blue or whatever. Granted, what is best can be fairly subjective.
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Lidane Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:38:35am |
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:40:29am |
re: #740 abolitionist
A missile that isn’t required to hit another missile will always tend to be a less expensive one (with conventional payloads, anyway).
You’re probably right but I think it’s the targeting that’s difficult and expensive. The rounds coming out are relatively “dumb” since there isn’t enough time for course corrections. Once you’ve paid the price of R&D I would think the costs wouldn’t be that bad. In a war setting it’s designed to be a short term protection. Artillery is a high value target, once they start shooting it’s only a matter of time before they have to stop and move or get destroyed.
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Renaissance_Man Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:41:20am |
re: #742 Dark_Falcon
That’s his interpretation. I’d argue that Reagan saw policies that were failing, and made the required changes. The result was a tremendous growth of the economy.
So in other words, you agree entirely with the premise of the paper?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:42:16am |
Here’s one of the HuffPo “Community Moderators” joining the thread about Hamas catching a beatdown:
HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
Caru 11 minutes ago (10:58 AM)
1004 Fans
I don’t support the Israeli government or Hamas. IMO, they are both c0rrupt and imm0ral organisations.The Israeli government has ki||ed many more civilians supposedly unintentionally than Hamas has intentionally. Hamas is a terr0r|st organisation dedicated to de@th and nothing more.
Both disgust me.
Moral equivalence =FAIL
And here’s an even worse one:
mulegino 16 minutes ago (10:53 AM)
609 Fans
Nothing surprising here. Israel will be remembered in history for four things: cowardice, treachery, theft and terrorism.
Cowardice, for its expertise in launching hugely disproportionate military strikes on unarmed civilians and their infrastructure.
Treachery, in the way it hides behind international law to justify its existence, yet regularly flouts that same law when it is convenient to do so.
Theft, in the sense that it does not honor or respect other’s rights to ownership of land or property, but simply seizes that which it considers worth the taking.
Terrorism, because it was founded by terrorists; the sum of the three foregoing characteristics.
Bark, moonbat, bark! (wingnut tag used due to absence of moonbat tag)
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:43:27am |
re: #742 Dark_Falcon
That’s his interpretation. I’d argue that Reagan saw policies that were failing, and made the required changes. The result was a tremendous growth of the economy.
Failing economically? What’s the price we pay for not taking care of homeless people? They blow up buildings maybe?
I’m drawing a direct line to be dramatic, but it doesn’t help society as a whole to have desperate people walking about.
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PT Barnum Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:47:01am |
re: #728 darthstar
but I’ve got a shitload of hand cut bacon, so it should all be good.
Play nice, everyone.
I hate you with every envious, bacon desiring bone in my body.
///
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Killgore Trout Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:47:33am |
re: #745 Lidane
OT, but this made my morning:
[Video]Heh.
It’ll be interesting to see if they can make another good album. Not many early rap stars are still working today. Personally, I’d like to see them do something like Paul’s Boutique again.
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simoom Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:48:11am |
re: #699 Walter L. Newton
I’ve been searching the internet for any info on what those cuts are comprised of, or a least a high level list of some sort.
This has a little bit:
washingtontimes.com
The final total for discretionary spending would be $1.049 trillion, with $513 billion of that going to the Defense Department — slightly smaller than Republicans had wanted.Of the about $38 billion lower deficits, more than $17 billion would come from reductions to automatic spending. That was a victory for Democrats, who successfully fought off most of the deep discretionary cuts House Republicans had passed in February.
So maybe a little from defense? Also it looks like 17 billion from mandatory spending (the Dems had been hoping for at least 40% of the deal from mandatory spending).
It includes money for a school voucher program for the District of Columbia, which Mr. Boehner has championed for years and has said is a key test of his working relationship with Mr. Obama.
Boehner’s earmark seems to be one of the few specifics currently known (though no $ amount is included).
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:48:23am |
re: #749 marjoriemoon
Failing economically? What’s the price we pay for not taking care of homeless people? They blow up buildings maybe?
I’m drawing a direct line to be dramatic, but it doesn’t help society as a whole to have desperate people walking about.
We’ll always have desperate people walking about. The best that can be done is to contain them. And it wasn’t even mostly Reagan’s fault. It was a bipartisan screwup.
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kirkspencer Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:51:10am |
re: #666 RogueOne
Umm, shooting a missile at a weapon designed to shoot down missiles is a good way to lose a lot of missiles. Like I said, it’s not perfect (yet) and don’t rain on my parade!
Secondly, I take issue with China being classified as “sophisticated”. There’s a short list of professional militaries in the world and they aren’t on it.
Disagree. I think they belong on the list as having a professional military. Of course, part of this might be a matter of definition.
What in my eyes makes a military force professional? In a word, self-discipline. A LOT of militaries are fine as long as under the thumb of others, but have to be poked and prodded to do what needs to be done. In that regard the most useful test I know is to look at the service’s NCO corps. What power and authority do the sergeants have? What is done to train and support that corps?
30 years ago the Chinese military’s NCOs were poor copies of the Soviet NCO. In turn, the Soviet NCO was, well, a private with time in service and the right to bully those below, but no power of decision and performance. The officer didn’t just plan, he ensured the plan was executed at all points.
Around 1985 or 1990 they decided to change. They’ve been working on making a professional NCO corps. It’s been difficult and slow, but after a generation they’ve got enough roots set it’s more there than not.
I consider the PRC military to be professional.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:51:56am |
re: #745 Lidane
OT, but this made my morning:
[Video]Heh.
What a cast. I’d watch a 2-hr movie on whatever subject they want to make it about with that crew.
| 756 |
What, me worry? Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:52:40am |
re: #753 Dark_Falcon
We’ll always have desperate people walking about. The best that can be done is to contain them. And it wasn’t even mostly Reagan’s fault. It was a bipartisan screwup.
I don’t suppose we’ll agree on the issue then.
But I’ll mention that whenever I used to talk about the good things Clinton did, I’d get a lot of “he had a Republican Congress” from the conservatives here. And when Clinton messed up, he was “a lousy democrat.”
Just sayin.
| 757 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:55:19am |
The Phone
Youtube Video
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:55:35am |
re: #756 marjoriemoon
I don’t suppose we’ll agree on the issue then.
But I’ll mention that whenever I used to talk about the good things Clinton did, I’d get a lot of “he had a Republican Congress” from the conservatives here. And when Clinton messed up, he was “a lousy democrat.”
Just sayin.
Partisanship, it’s a feature of political life.
| 759 |
What, me worry? Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:59:10am |
re: #758 Dark_Falcon
Partisanship, it’s a feature of political life.
That is a true statement!
Ok, this is stupid and nonsensical, but my boss got a box of gourmet, chocolate covered pretzels and a tastier treat, I cannot remember. I took home two. One plain dark chocolate (I’m on a diet after all) and one milk chocolate, covered with caramel, toffee and nuts. OMG. I’ve been breaking off pieces for 2 days.
| 760 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 9, 2011 8:59:21am |
re: #752 simoom
This has a little bit:
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com…]So maybe a little from defense? Also it looks like 17 billion from mandatory spending (the Dems had been hoping for at least 40% of the deal from mandatory spending).
Boehner’s earmark seems to be one of the few specifics currently known (though no $ amount is included).
Just what I thought… no meaningful spending cuts from either side. The GOP chickened out and gave in to 38 billion in meaningless cuts and we have just auctioned off the financial future of this country.
The GOP wasted the countries time with their worthless social program agenda when they should have been concentrating on cutting the real waste and abuse in this country.
But that would have required BOTH SIDES to set aside all their special interests and lobbying pals and actually accomplish real spending cuts.
I didn’t really expect kleptocrats and plutocrats to sell out to what’s best for the country?
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PT Barnum Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:01:11am |
Reagan began the whole “steal from the poor, give to the rich” meme that is the reason d’etre for the modern conservative movement.
When Dennis Moore did it, we called him a “stupid bitch”. when Reagan did it he became a visionary.
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thecommodore Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:01:15am |
re: #38 rwmofo
Let’s recap:
The media/Democrat Party….
That’s all I needed to read of your post. I’ll check Rush’s latest transcript for the rest.
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What, me worry? Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:01:54am |
re: #761 PT Barnum
Reagan began the whole “steal from the poor, give to the rich” meme that is the reason d’etre for the modern conservative movement.
When Dennis Moore did it, we called him a “stupid bitch”. when Reagan did it he became a visionary.
THANK YOU! hehe
(Hi, how are you btw!)
| 764 |
What, me worry? Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:05:31am |
My sinuses are wreaking havoc in my noggin. I’ll catch up with ya’ll later.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:18:26am |
re: #754 kirkspencer
Disagree. I think they belong on the list as having a professional military. Of course, part of this might be a matter of definition.
What in my eyes makes a military force professional? In a word, self-discipline. A LOT of militaries are fine as long as under the thumb of others, but have to be poked and prodded to do what needs to be done. In that regard the most useful test I know is to look at the service’s NCO corps. What power and authority do the sergeants have? What is done to train and support that corps?
30 years ago the Chinese military’s NCOs were poor copies of the Soviet NCO. In turn, the Soviet NCO was, well, a private with time in service and the right to bully those below, but no power of decision and performance. The officer didn’t just plan, he ensured the plan was executed at all points.
Around 1985 or 1990 they decided to change. They’ve been working on making a professional NCO corps. It’s been difficult and slow, but after a generation they’ve got enough roots set it’s more there than not.
I consider the PRC military to be professional.
I have a short list of what I consider “professional” militaries. The only ones I see are the U.S., Australia, the U.K., Israel, and France.
I completely agree with your view of the importance of discipline and you’re right about them working on their level of quality but they have a long way to go. I also think their over-all level of training is sorely lacking. If there’s one thing a war does do is it sharpens your focus. As an example look at how much better trained our troops are compared to just a decade ago. I’ve been very impressed (and somewhat surprised) at how quickly our military is taking lessons learned on the battlefield and applying them to their training. They’ve tried to learn from our mistakes/successes but that isn’t as good as living through it. Just like with their product lines, they’re good at copying but you can tell it’s cheap.
I’m honestly not one of those that’s concerned with Chinas military spending. I don’t think they have it in their heads to take over the world and they aren’t the soviets of the 50’s and 60’s. My belief is their main goal is to be taken seriously as a world power, both economically and militarily, and they’ll spend what it takes to get there.
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Lidane Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:18:30am |
re: #751 Killgore Trout
It’ll be interesting to see if they can make another good album. Not many early rap stars are still working today. Personally, I’d like to see them do something like Paul’s Boutique again.
Paul’s Boutique is an interesting record since they made it before the sampling rules changed. It would be insanely expensive to make that record now. Still one of my favorites of theirs, though, along with Ill Communication.
I don’t know how this new album will be, but if this video is any indication, it has promise. :D
| 767 |
First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:19:41am |
| 768 |
Lidane Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:21:20am |
re: #767 negativ
Needs more Christopher Walken.
What, Steve Buscemi as a waiter isn’t enough for you? Heh.
| 769 |
kirkspencer Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:28:33am |
re: #765 RogueOne
I have a short list of what I consider “professional” militaries. The only ones I see are the U.S., Australia, the U.K., Israel, and France.
I completely agree with your view of the importance of discipline and you’re right about them working on their level of quality but they have a long way to go. I also think their over-all level of training is sorely lacking. If there’s one thing a war does do is it sharpens your focus. As an example look at how much better trained our troops are compared to just a decade ago. I’ve been very impressed (and somewhat surprised) at how quickly our military is taking lessons learned on the battlefield and applying them to their training. They’ve tried to learn from our mistakes/successes but that isn’t as good as living through it. Just like with their product lines, they’re good at copying but you can tell it’s cheap.
I’m honestly not one of those that’s concerned with Chinas military spending. I don’t think they have it in their heads to take over the world and they aren’t the soviets of the 50’s and 60’s. My belief is their main goal is to be taken seriously as a world power, both economically and militarily, and they’ll spend what it takes to get there.
OK, so why aren’t you including Germany or Canada (to name two)?
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PT Barnum Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:31:48am |
re: #763 marjoriemoon
THANK YOU! hehe
(Hi, how are you btw!)
I’m just ducky (quack quack)
Oh, and for those of you not familiar with the reference:
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b_sharp Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:35:16am |
re: #545 RogueOne
3 wars. Africa and the ME in flames. Massive cuts needed in their budget on top of the rest of the world spending less than we do already. Their use as good will ambassadors instead of their primary mission. Dumbing down standards in order to keep the number of troops we need. Being used as pawns in legislative battles…
I think one of the operative terms was ‘long term’, which has a specific meaning you seem to be ignoring.
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Ryan King Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:36:07am |
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PT Barnum Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:36:16am |
re: #771 b_sharp
I think one of the operative terms was ‘long term’, which has a specific meaning you seem to be ignoring.
long term thinking is only for liberals.
| 774 |
Ericus58 Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:40:06am |
Israel Air Force Identifies Terrorist Squad Firing from Cemetery in Sajaiya.
“This drone footage captures a terrorist squad spotted immediately after the firing of rockets at the Israeli home front, from within a cemetery.
After the firing of four mortar shells at Nahal Oz from within the cemetery in Sajaiya, Israel Air Force drones equipped with cameras are diverted to the scene.
The IDF regrets that the Hamas terrorist organization chooses to operate from within its civilian population, using it as a “human shield”. The IDF will continue to operate with strength and determination against any terrorist organization using terror against the State of Israel. The Hamas terrorist organization is solely responsible for any terrorist activity emanating from the Gaza Strip.”
| 775 |
RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:41:12am |
re: #769 kirkspencer
I should probably do a better job of defining my terms. By professional I mean level of training, experience, and command & control. I’m not trying to rank who would win against whom.
I love our Canadian neighbors. I’m not hating on them and I appreciate every ally we have (that enough qualifiers?//) but their military spending is so small I’m not sure they’re really big enough to consider.
| 776 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:42:20am |
re: #775 RogueOne
I should probably do a better job of defining my terms. By professional I mean level of training, experience, and command & control. I’m not trying to rank who would win against whom.
I love our Canadian neighbors. I’m not hating on them and I appreciate every ally we have (that enough qualifiers?//) but their military spending is so small I’m not sure they’re really big enough to consider.
The Tailban would not agree with you. The Canucks have hammered the Talibs hard for a decade.
| 777 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:43:27am |
re: #774 Ericus58
Israel Air Force Identifies Terrorist Squad Firing from Cemetery in Sajaiya.
[Video]”This drone footage captures a terrorist squad spotted immediately after the firing of rockets at the Israeli home front, from within a cemetery.
After the firing of four mortar shells at Nahal Oz from within the cemetery in Sajaiya, Israel Air Force drones equipped with cameras are diverted to the scene.
The IDF regrets that the Hamas terrorist organization chooses to operate from within its civilian population, using it as a “human shield”. The IDF will continue to operate with strength and determination against any terrorist organization using terror against the State of Israel. The Hamas terrorist organization is solely responsible for any terrorist activity emanating from the Gaza Strip.”
The Huffers will find some way to fling moonbat guano at that video.
/spits on the HuffPo
| 778 |
RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:43:30am |
| 779 |
RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:44:26am |
re: #776 Dark_Falcon
The Tailban would not agree with you. The Canucks have hammered the Talibs hard for a decade.
I didn’t say the guys they have aren’t good just that there’s not enough of them.
| 780 |
First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:45:03am |
re: #768 Lidane
What, Steve Buscemi as a waiter isn’t enough for you? Heh.
If you haven’t seen Ghost World, you haven’t seen Steve Buscemi’s greatest performance ever.
| 782 |
RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:46:05am |
re: #780 negativ
If you haven’t seen Ghost World, you haven’t seen Steve Buscemi’s greatest performance ever.
I just watched that the other night for the first time. It was on IFC.
| 783 |
b_sharp Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:49:24am |
re: #600 shropshire_slasher
What happens to the interest rates when inflation goes up. What happens to your debt repayment when interest rates go up? Inflation isn’t coming, its already here.
Inflation is 2.11%.
The US dollar is going down, which is an advantage for exports.
The interest rate is .25%
What’s the immediate problem?
| 784 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:51:19am |
I finally found something… fucking worthless…
This is what was “acomplished:”
The short-term measure cuts nearly $2 billion in spending from transportation and housing programs, including $1.5 billion from a high-speed rail program and $280 million from capital investment grants.The longer-term agreement will cut spending in the current 2011 fiscal year by about $38 billion, including $17.8 billion from benefit programs, or “entitlements,” lawmakers said.
The rest would come from so-called discretionary spending, including a cut of $3 billion from defense programs, according to House Appropriations Committee Chairman Mike Rogers.
Changes in mandatory spending, or “CHIMPs” in Washington-speak, minimize the impact of the spending cuts in future budget cycles because they do not lower the baseline levels for discretionary programs such as space exploration or housing, whose funding levels are set by Congress each year.
Doesn’t look like more than a few peas from the steak and potatoes feast they gorge on.
Pull out a permanent $1 trillion and have a spine and some morals of courage and decency and I’ll consider them worthy of the biocritters they feed.
| 785 |
RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:51:40am |
re: #783 b_sharp
Inflation is 2.11%.
The US dollar is going down, which is an advantage for exports.
The interest rate is .25%
What’s the immediate problem?
The European Central Bank has raised its main interest rate for the first time in nearly three years in a bid to counter inflation in the eurozone.
It’s headed this way.
| 787 |
RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:54:16am |
I completely missed this:
Egypt military beats protesters, fires shots
news.yahoo.com
Military police dispersed hundreds of protesters remaining in Cairo’s Tahrir Square from of the biggest demonstrations since Hosni Mubarak was ousted using tasers and batons late on Friday night, a witness said.Hundreds of thousands of people rallied during the day to pile pressure on the interim military rulers to meet demands including the prosecution of Mubarak.
But after the curfew, set from 2 a.m. to 5 a.m., military police and state security officers surrounded the square, fired shots in the air, used tasers and batons and arrested protesters to break up the crowd, a witness told Reuters by telephone.
| 788 |
Gus Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:54:44am |
re: #786 iceweasel
I’m here. What’d I miss?
I just got here too. Something about Canada? I’m still trying to piece this all together. ;)
| 789 |
kirkspencer Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:55:07am |
re: #775 RogueOne
I should probably do a better job of defining my terms. By professional I mean level of training, experience, and command & control. I’m not trying to rank who would win against whom.
I love our Canadian neighbors. I’m not hating on them and I appreciate every ally we have (that enough qualifiers?//) but their military spending is so small I’m not sure they’re really big enough to consider.
But wait. You said training, experience, and C&C, all of which the Canadians have. Your criteria for Canada was their military spending.
In 2009, Canada spent ~US$20.5B. Israel spent ~US$14.3B. (SIPRI numbers, 2008 dollars. Gotta pay to see the root, but this part’s repeated in wikipedia.
In other words, your argument doesn’t make sense.
| 790 |
garhighway Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:55:49am |
re: #783 b_sharp
Inflation is 2.11%.
The US dollar is going down, which is an advantage for exports.
The interest rate is .25%
What’s the immediate problem?
Again with the facts.
I listened to my company’s corporate economist the other day. He said that:
1> There’s no meaningful inflation risk for several years to come. Why? Because there isn’t enough demand to spur inflation.
2> The US deficit could be entirely self-financed for the next few years due to the increase in the US savings rate.
3> We are going to see a series of months with roughly 250,000 - 300,000 jobs added each month, with the unemployment rate slowly working its way back down to normal levels.
We are in a manufacturing/export led recovery. We are at that point of the recovery where the government stimulus money is starting to wane and the private economy needs to pick up, and that is happening. The stimulus knocked 5 points or so off of the peak unemployment rate and did its job.
| 791 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:56:29am |
re: #787 RogueOne
I completely missed this:
Egypt military beats protesters, fires shots
[Link: news.yahoo.com…]
The protesters have served their purpose, and now its back to business as usual.
| 792 |
William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:57:25am |
re: #779 RogueOne
I didn’t say the guys they have aren’t good just that there’s not enough of them.
Dude, you’re digging yourself deeper.
Go find a year or two back issues of Jane’s Defense (or equivalent others for self study) and then come back. We’ll wait for you to get up to speed.
| 793 |
Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:58:17am |
re: #783 b_sharp
Inflation is 2.11%.
The US dollar is going down, which is an advantage for exports.
The interest rate is .25%
What’s the immediate problem?
YES BUT IT”S UP FROM -.65% IN TWO YEARS!!! BUY GOLD!
| 794 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 9, 2011 9:59:26am |
re: #791 Dark_Falcon
The protesters have served their purpose, and now its back to business as usual.
And did you expect anything less? I didn’t, and predicted this outcome when the shit was hitting the fan. Woo… “freedom fighters, hope it spreads though out the middle east… go Libya, go Yemen, go Syria, go, go go…”
They’re going alright… right into the hands of new autocrats, dictators and theocratic masters. It’s a brave new world.
| 795 |
First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:00:13am |
re: #786 iceweasel
I’m here. What’d I miss?
Everything has changed.
*hugging knees in the corner, rocking back and forth*
| 796 |
RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:00:54am |
re: #789 kirkspencer
But wait. You said training, experience, and C&C, all of which the Canadians have. Your criteria for Canada was their military spending.
In 2009, Canada spent ~US$20.5B. Israel spent ~US$14.3B. (SIPRI numbers, 2008 dollars. Gotta pay to see the root, but this part’s repeated in wikipedia.
In other words, your argument doesn’t make sense.
You’re right, I’ll expand to 6 and add canada but not one more!/
I was discriminating a little. I put Israel up top with everyone else because they’ve demonstrated their level of professionalism in a virtual war zone for 50 years. They’re hard to beat in experience and traininging. Up till 10 years ago I would have argued they had the best air force in the world.
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iceweasel Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:02:10am |
re: #795 negativ
Everything has changed.
*hugging knees in the corner, rocking back and forth*
Sounds like a new paradigm!
| 798 |
RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:02:30am |
re: #796 RogueOne
You’re right, I’ll expand to 6 and add canada but not one more!/
…. traininging…
That’s not a bad typo. That’s extra-extra-training.
| 799 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:03:38am |
re: #786 iceweasel
I’m here. What’d I miss?
You missed Marco Rubio dragging Donald Trump behind the Capitol Building and beating the shit of him.
/In reality, Rubio only said that Trump should knock it off with the birther nonsense, and said that “Barack Obama was born in the USA”. But it was a full refutation of the birthers, and few in the GOP have done that.
| 800 |
RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:04:22am |
re: #799 Dark_Falcon
You missed Marco Rubio dragging Donald Trump behind the Capitol Building and beating the shit of him.
/In reality, Rubio only said that Trump should knock it off with the birther nonsense, and said that “Barack Obama was born in the USA”. But it was a full refutation of the birthers, and few in the GOP have done that.
Did he give Bill Cosby a chance to get in a few shots?
| 801 |
b_sharp Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:04:56am |
re: #788 Gus 802
I just got here too. Something about Canada? I’m still trying to piece this all together. ;)
Canada’s military is unprofessional. It’s too small. It’s poorly trained. Or something to that effect.
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Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:05:30am |
re: #801 b_sharp
Canada’s military is unprofessional. It’s too small. It’s poorly trained. Or something to that effect.
That’s because they’re English.
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Gus Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:05:30am |
re: #801 b_sharp
Canada’s military is unprofessional. It’s too small. It’s poorly trained. Or something to that effect.
Don’t they use Canadian Geese in their air force? ;)
| 804 |
Renaissance_Man Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:05:46am |
re: #789 kirkspencer
But wait. You said training, experience, and C&C, all of which the Canadians have. Your criteria for Canada was their military spending.
In 2009, Canada spent ~US$20.5B. Israel spent ~US$14.3B. (SIPRI numbers, 2008 dollars. Gotta pay to see the root, but this part’s repeated in wikipedia.
In other words, your argument doesn’t make sense.
Dude, it makes perfect sense. Canada is a happy, chilly place where they say ‘aboot’ a lot, have a lot of moose, have good health care, and drink Molson’s. They have chesterfields, for cryin’ out loud. They like curling. Okay, so curling is awesome, but still.
They speak French, which automatically disqualifies them from having a good army by Old English tradition. Their flag has a leaf on it, for god’s sake. Come on now. A leaf?
How the fuck can you have a professional military when you say ‘zed’, huh? Huh? Answer me that!!!
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:06:03am |
re: #801 b_sharp
Canada’s military is unprofessional. It’s too small. It’s poorly trained. Or something to that effect.
Don’t put words in my mouth. The worst I can be accused of is saying canada has a small military. Hardly a shot across the bow.
| 806 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:06:29am |
re: #800 RogueOne
Did he give Bill Cosby a chance to get in a few shots?
Yeah, but Cosby tried to smack Trump upside the head, only to waste his energy against Trump’s armored hairpiece.
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Gus Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:06:36am |
re: #805 RogueOne
Don’t put words in my mouth. The worst I can be accused of is saying canada has a small military. Hardly a shot across the bow.
He’s just kidding. I think.
| 808 |
iceweasel Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:07:08am |
re: #799 Dark_Falcon
You missed Marco Rubio dragging Donald Trump behind the Capitol Building and beating the shit of him.
/In reality, Rubio only said that Trump should knock it off with the birther nonsense, and said that “Barack Obama was born in the USA”. But it was a full refutation of the birthers, and few in the GOP have done that.
Too bad RNC Chair Priebus thought Trump was serious enough to give him a call then. Birthers still rule, I guess.
how you doing DF? Good to see you. Jimmah says hi (he’s playing Oblivion)
| 809 |
First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:07:32am |
re: #787 RogueOne
I completely missed this:
1. Get on Twitter (yeah I know, but trust me)
2. Follow @acarvin
3. realize the mainstream media sucks just as much as (if not more than) you always suspected, but possibly for far different reasons
4. that is all.
For bonus upsetting points, follow @angryarabiya and read everything s/he’s posted over the past 72 hours.
| 810 |
Gus Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:07:36am |
Blech. Denver looks like Omaha this morning. Sometimes I wonder why I’m here.
811 |
The War TARDIS Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:07:52am |
re: #803 Gus 802
The geese bring down planes. Remember that US Airways flight?
| 812 |
RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:08:16am |
re: #807 Gus 802
He’s just kidding. I think.
Well my feelings were hurt. I love Canadians, every last one of them.//
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:09:06am |
re: #808 iceweasel
Too bad RNC Chair Priebus thought Trump was serious enough to give him a call then. Birthers still rule, I guess.
how you doing DF? Good to see you. Jimmah says hi (he’s playing Oblivion)
It depends. Rubio has enough star-power of his won that he can call Trump out without putting himself in undo risk. For that matter, Trump would likely do Rubio the favor of using some sort of ethnic insult, whereupon Trump would look even more like an asshole (as if that were possible).
| 814 |
Gus Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:09:21am |
re: #811 ProLifeLiberal
The geese bring down planes. Remember that US Airways flight?
Oh yeah. Didn’t think about that. We can use eye beams or ESP to control their navigation. /
| 815 |
iceweasel Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:09:23am |
re: #812 RogueOne
Well my feelings were hurt. I love Canadians, every last one of them.//
That’s why they have that restraining order out on you. /
| 816 |
HoosierHoops Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:09:34am |
re: #808 iceweasel
Too bad RNC Chair Priebus thought Trump was serious enough to give him a call then. Birthers still rule, I guess.
how you doing DF? Good to see you. Jimmah says hi (he’s playing Oblivion)
Hi Ice..Hope you and Jimmah are doing well
| 817 |
b_sharp Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:09:50am |
re: #793 Jeff In Ohio
YES BUT IT”S UP FROM -.65% IN TWO YEARS!!! BUY GOLD!
Right now inflation has been forced up by oil. Its a spurious increase that doesn’t reflect trends.
| 818 |
Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:10:02am |
re: #812 RogueOne
Well my feelings were hurt. I love Canadians, every last one of them.//
They’re alright, but they got nothing on a bagel.
| 819 |
iceweasel Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:10:50am |
re: #816 HoosierHoops
Hi Ice..Hope you and Jimmah are doing well
Hoops! We’re great! I was just thinking I should email you. How are you and Winston and OK?
| 820 |
b_sharp Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:10:56am |
re: #803 Gus 802
Don’t they use Canadian Geese in their air force? ;)
Only the ones with ‘Fly Me’ leg tags.
| 821 |
RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:11:03am |
re: #815 iceweasel
That’s why they have that restraining order out on you. /
They might be on the list. I stopped keeping the orders a long time ago.
| 822 |
Gus Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:11:03am |
re: #808 iceweasel
Too bad RNC Chair Priebus thought Trump was serious enough to give him a call then. Birthers still rule, I guess.
how you doing DF? Good to see you. Jimmah says hi (he’s playing Oblivion)
They’re scraping the barrel.
| 823 |
Ryan King Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:11:25am |
re: #799 Dark_Falcon
But it was a full refutation of the birthers, and few in the GOP have done that.
A full refutation of birthers is not ‘Obama was born in the US.’ That’s a statement of fact.
A full refutation of birthers is ‘Obama was born in the US and this birther idiocy is nothing more than a petty distraction. I refudiate this birther nonsense and will give no heed to it on the campaign.’
| 824 |
iceweasel Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:11:33am |
re: #810 Gus 802
Blech. Denver looks like Omaha this morning. Sometimes I wonder why I’m here.
What does Omaha look like?
| 825 |
First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:11:35am |
re: #801 b_sharp
Canada’s military is unprofessional. It’s too small. It’s poorly trained. Or something to that effect.
| 826 |
Gus Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:11:47am |
re: #821 RogueOne
They might be on the list. I stopped keeping the orders a long time ago.
Seriously though. Don’t they have two F-18s? //
| 828 |
RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:12:32am |
re: #824 iceweasel
What does Omaha look like?
dirty and it smells bad. apologies to anyone from omaha.
| 829 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:12:52am |
there was no gov shutdown?….well that bodes well for the voters and the GOP…why am I not surprised? all that valuable blame, down the drain
| 830 |
b_sharp Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:13:03am |
re: #812 RogueOne
Well my feelings were hurt. I love Canadians, every last one of them.//
My one neighbour sucks. You don’t want to love him.
| 831 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:13:15am |
re: #803 Gus 802
Don’t they use Canadian Geese in their air force? ;)
Well, Canadian Geese do invade Chicago’s lake and rivers every spring. Some corporations have replied by buying Trumpeter Swans to nest in their ponds. The swans will return to the same pond every spring and they keep the geese away. Though swans, like geese, will chase any human who ventures close to their eggs or offspring.
| 832 |
Gus Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:13:34am |
re: #828 RogueOne
dirty and it smells bad. apologies to anyone from omaha.
Smells like meat and tallow?
| 833 |
RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:13:47am |
re: #830 b_sharp
My one neighbour sucks. You don’t want to love him.
Didn’t remember you were from Canada. I love you man.
| 834 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:14:19am |
re: #828 RogueOne
dirty and it smells bad. apologies to anyone from omaha.
First you trash the Canadian military and now you’ve moved on to Omaha. You’re on a roll. Is there any people or any place that are you favorites?
| 835 |
Gus Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:14:46am |
re: #833 RogueOne
Didn’t remember you were from Canada. I love you man.
We have someone else here from that Canadian colony, Nova Scotia.
//
| 836 |
HoosierHoops Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:14:57am |
re: #819 iceweasel
Hoops! We’re great! I was just thinking I should email you. How are you and Winston and OK?
That’s good news! Winston has a couple of buddy dogs now he plays with..The weather is hot down south..Work is stressful but we are planning on going to Indy for the last week in May for the Indy 500 and party with the Hoosiers..
I miss my crazy friends
| 837 |
RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:15:12am |
re: #832 Gus 802
Smells like meat and tallow?
I have a friend who chose to relocate to an office in Omaha as a stepping stone to the job he really wants down south. I warned him but he didn’t listen.//
| 838 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:15:25am |
re: #823 BigPapa
A full refutation of birthers is not ‘Obama was born in the US.’ That’s a statement of fact.
A full refutation of birthers is ‘Obama was born in the US and this birther idiocy is nothing more than a petty distraction. I refudiate this birther nonsense and will give no heed to it on the campaign.’
Rubio’s never put stock in it. He gave it the backhand it deserves and then left things at that. He didn’t want to go after Trump, he was saying that Trump should knock it off with the unproductive lunacy.
| 841 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:16:24am |
re: #834 Walter L. Newton
First you trash the Canadian military and now you’ve moved on to Omaha. You’re on a roll. Is there any people or any place that are you favorites?
Well, I heard him say he likes Colorado once. :)
| 842 |
RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:17:06am |
re: #834 Walter L. Newton
First you trash the Canadian military and now you’ve moved on to Omaha. You’re on a roll. Is there any people or any place that are you favorites?
I love canada! but Omaha was one of the places I lived. I was told how rough it was before I went but I figured I had lived in Detroit how bad could it be? I underestimated.
| 843 |
Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:18:04am |
re: #837 RogueOne
I have a friend who chose to relocate to an office in Omaha as a stepping stone to the job he really wants down south. I warned him but he didn’t listen.//
I was offered a job in Omaha. They flew me out, fed me corn fed stake, showed me some big boned women. I liked the airport, it reminded me of a bus depot.
| 844 |
b_sharp Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:18:17am |
re: #840 Gus 802
Is that an insignia or a corporate logo?
//
A euphemism for scrapping goose guts off the wings.
| 845 |
Gus Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:18:36am |
re: #843 Jeff In Ohio
I was offered a job in Omaha. They flew me out, fed me corn fed stake, showed me some big boned women. I liked the airport, it reminded me of a bus depot.
You sure that wasn’t Newark?
| 846 |
iceweasel Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:18:38am |
re: #836 HoosierHoops
That’s good news! Winston has a couple of buddy dogs now he plays with..The weather is hot down south..Work is stressful but we are planning on going to Indy for the last week in May for the Indy 500 and party with the Hoosiers..
I miss my crazy friends
I’m glad Winston has some buddy dogs and glad you’ll get to see your buddies soon, even if it’s not as soon as you’d like.
| 847 |
RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:18:47am |
re: #841 Dark_Falcon
Well, I heard him say he likes Colorado once. :)
I don’t need much of an excuse to pick up and move to denver. If I thought I could sell my house for a decent amount I’d move tomorrow. I could put one of those “native” bumper sticker on my car and no one would be the wiser.
| 848 |
b_sharp Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:18:58am |
re: #843 Jeff In Ohio
I was offered a job in Omaha. They flew me out, fed me corn fed stake, showed me some big boned women. I liked the airport, it reminded me of a bus depot.
Corn fed stake? They have a vampire problem?
| 849 |
Gus Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:19:24am |
I love the smell of diesel fuel and urinal cake in the morning…
//
| 850 |
b_sharp Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:20:09am |
re: #849 Gus 802
I love the smell of diesel fuel and urinal cake in the morning…
//
You are a sick man, man.
| 851 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:20:13am |
re: #849 Gus 802
I love the smell of diesel fuel and urinal cake in the morning…
//
but the rent is usually pretty low at a truck stop
| 852 |
Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:20:22am |
re: #845 Gus 802
You sure that wasn’t Newark?
No, I lived outside of Newark of 15 years. Omaha’s like Newark, expect there’s a lot of really pale white people there and it’s far from the ocean.
| 853 |
iceweasel Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:20:38am |
re: #843 Jeff In Ohio
I was offered a job in Omaha. They flew me out, fed me corn fed stake, showed me some big boned women.
| 854 |
Gus Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:20:52am |
re: #848 b_sharp
Corn fed stake? They have a vampire problem?
Dracula of Omaha. Starring Rob Schneider.
//
| 855 |
RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:20:52am |
re: #843 Jeff In Ohio
I was offered a job in Omaha. They flew me out, fed me corn fed stake, showed me some big boned women. I liked the airport, it reminded me of a bus depot.
Ha! I would have to fly out every 6 weeks to my corporate office in Charlotte. They would put me on a little 12 seater airplane and take off to KC where I’d pick up a connection. The plane was so small you’d get off the plane outside the terminal. I hated that flight, especially in the winter.
| 856 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:20:58am |
re: #843 Jeff In Ohio
I was offered a job in Omaha. They flew me out, fed me corn fed stake, showed me some big boned women. I liked the airport, it reminded me of a bus depot.
so what armpit do you currently hail from?
| 859 |
Gus Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:22:24am |
re: #855 RogueOne
Ha! I would have to fly out every 6 weeks to my corporate office in Charlotte. They would put me on a little 12 seater airplane and take off to KC where I’d pick up a connection. The plane was so small you’d get off the plane outside the terminal. I hated that flight, especially in the winter.
OK everyone. Our ailerons are broken so everybody go the the right side of the plane!
//
| 860 |
iceweasel Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:22:34am |
re: #857 Jeff In Ohio
What’s wrong with being sexy?
Nothing! Jimmah and I just watched Spinal Tap (again) and I’m feeling silly today.
| 862 |
Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:24:24am |
re: #855 RogueOne
Ha! I would have to fly out every 6 weeks to my corporate office in Charlotte. They would put me on a little 12 seater airplane and take off to KC where I’d pick up a connection. The plane was so small you’d get off the plane outside the terminal. I hated that flight, especially in the winter.
Shit Charlotte’s pretty much Paris, France after Omaha. Puckett’s Farm Equipment was the joint we played in Charlotte all the time. Owner had this green tint to him. My bandmate, in his best eastern Kentucky, swore “he’s a specter.”
And yes, his first name was Gary.
| 863 |
Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:25:02am |
| 864 |
Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:26:49am |
re: #860 iceweasel
Nothing! Jimmah and I just watched Spinal Tap (again) and I’m feeling silly today.
“isssst, sexisssssst.”
Yeah, can’t watch that one to many times.
| 867 |
prairiefire Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:27:07am |
re: #862 Jeff In Ohio
Shit Charlotte’s pretty much Paris, France after Omaha. Puckett’s Farm Equipment was the joint we played in Charlotte all the time. Owner had this green tint to him. My bandmate, in his best eastern Kentucky, swore “he’s a specter.”
And yes, his first name was Gary.
Charlotte is very nice. I like the two story brick homes with tree lined streets. There are some pretty good restaurants there.
| 869 |
Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:28:41am |
re: #865 Gus 802
Akron? ;)
Shut your mouth, he said armpit, not toilet bowl, Cincinnati. The jewel of the west, the Queen City, Porkopolis. Where south meets north and east meets west.
| 871 |
Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:29:45am |
re: #867 prairiefire
Charlotte is very nice. I like the two story brick homes with tree lined streets. There are some pretty good restaurants there.
I like Charlotte. A bit hot in the summer. They like their Nascar.
| 872 |
b_sharp Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:29:50am |
re: #866 Jeff In Ohio
So who has had sex with a bagel today?
I had sex with Cheerios. Kind of tiny little bagels.
| 873 |
Gus Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:30:36am |
re: #872 b_sharp
I had sex with Cheerios. Kind of tiny little bagels.
Beats the pencil sharpener.
//
| 875 |
Gus Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:31:43am |
So yesterday I’m rinsing some dishes that need to be washed and I have the sink filled with water. I grab the coffee grinder and begin to dip it in the water. Plugged in. I realized my mistake and threw it in reverse. Nothing happened. Whew.
| 876 |
RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:31:49am |
re: #869 Jeff In Ohio
Shut your mouth, he said armpit, not toilet bowl, Cincinnati. The jewel of the west, the Queen City, Porkopolis. Where south meets north and east meets west.
I just opened my last jar of LaRosa’s sauce. I live 30 mins north of Indy and we’ll travel down to Batesville every so often to eat and restock.
| 877 |
Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:32:04am |
re: #872 b_sharp
I had sex with Cheerios. Kind of tiny little bagels.
You have some variety with Cheerios these days.
| 880 |
HoosierHoops Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:33:21am |
re: #876 RogueOne
I just opened my last jar of LaRosa’s sauce. I live 30 mins north of Indy and we’ll travel down to Batesville every so often to eat and restock.
Ah the land of the coffin factory..That’s a long drive
| 881 |
Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:34:11am |
re: #876 RogueOne
I just opened my last jar of LaRosa’s sauce. I live 30 mins north of Indy and we’ll travel down to Batesville every so often to eat and restock.
Just add some water and sugar to ketchup, same thing. Nice casket company is Batesville. And a tree that’s growing out of clock tower. You must have family there.
| 882 |
Ericus58 Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:35:34am |
Crashing planes for fun and profit!
| 883 |
RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:35:52am |
re: #880 HoosierHoops
Ah the land of the coffin factory..That’s a long drive
I grew up in cincy. I can get skyline and grippo’s around here but I have to drive if I want LaRosa’s.
| 884 |
Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:37:17am |
re: #883 RogueOne
I grew up in cincy. I can get skyline and grippo’s around here but I have to drive if I want LaRosa’s.
Camp Washington Chili, it’s the best.
| 885 |
iceweasel Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:37:25am |
Quote of the day from Dr. James Tonkowich of the Cornwall Alliance: “Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant - it’s plant food. And higher carbon dioxide means, yes, plants are bigger, which incidentally makes the earth cooler. And it means that crop yields increase. I mean, in some ways, it’s a good thing.” I would like to point out that Tonkowich holds a Doctor of Ministry and his doctoral work focused on “spiritual and cultural transformation” and not, you know, science.
| 886 |
RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:37:40am |
re: #881 Jeff In Ohio
Just add some water and sugar to ketchup, same thing. Nice casket company is Batesville. And a tree that’s growing out of clock tower. You must have family there.
Don’t you dare besmirch LaRosa’s like that! Don’t make me drive down there!//
| 887 |
Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:37:59am |
re: #886 RogueOne
Don’t you dare besmirch LaRosa’s like that! Don’t make me drive down there!//
We’ll have lunch.
| 888 |
RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:39:08am |
re: #884 Jeff In Ohio
Camp Washington Chili, it’s the best.
I can get gold star but it’s frozen or in the can. There’s a skyline less than 10 mins from my house. People around here don’t really get it.
| 889 |
Gus Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:39:17am |
re: #885 iceweasel
[Link: www.rightwingwatch.org…]
Here. This will make your head spin.
It’s a PDF of Senate testimony by Dr. James Tonkowich.
| 890 |
Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:40:20am |
re: #885 iceweasel
[Link: www.rightwingwatch.org…]
| 891 |
Ericus58 Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:40:52am |
This guy is one of my favorite subscriptions on Youtube;
Bomberguy
youtube.com
This was the video that hooked me in:
| 892 |
Gus Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:40:59am |
re: #889 Gus 802
Here. This will make your head spin.
It’s a PDF of Senate testimony by Dr. James Tonkowich.
“Doctor”. LOL
| 893 |
RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:43:07am |
re: #887 Jeff In Ohio
I was in Devils Lake ND late at night and the only place open was a Dairy Queen. I didn’t have any options so I figured I’d get one of their crappy chili dogs. The first clue that something was wrong was when the lady working drive-thru said “you mean you want us to pour chili on a hot dog?”. I got back to the hotel and they had poured watery texas style chili all over them. Uneatable. I still hold a grudge.
894 |
wrenchwench Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:44:03am |
| 895 |
Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:45:04am |
| 896 |
iceweasel Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:45:12am |
re: #890 Jeff In Ohio
That’s brilliant, bookmarked to watch later with Jimmah.
re: #889 Gus 802
Here. This will make your head spin.
It’s a PDF of Senate testimony by Dr. James Tonkowich.
“consistent with Biblical and historic Christian teachings” — that’s where he had me. Not hello.
| 897 |
wrenchwench Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:45:52am |
| 899 |
iceweasel Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:46:44am |
re: #892 Gus 802
“Doctor”. LOL
Minister:
The Rev. Dr. James Tonkowich was trained at the Gordon-Conwell evangelical seminary and has worked for the past five years for conservative evangelical Charles Colson’s Prison Fellowship. He has zero experience in mainline denominations
LOL
| 900 |
Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:47:01am |
re: #893 RogueOne
You should have ordered Coney, no onions no mustard, or as they say a Skyline a “chili cheese’.
| 901 |
Gus Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:47:27am |
re: #896 iceweasel
That’s brilliant, bookmarked to watch later with Jimmah.
re: #889 Gus 802
“consistent with Biblical and historic Christian teachings” — that’s where he had me. Not hello.
Did you check out their website? Looks like they were also behind that video “Resisting the Green Dragon”.
| 902 |
kirkspencer Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:47:59am |
re: #796 RogueOne
You’re right, I’ll expand to 6 and add canada but not one more!/
I was discriminating a little. I put Israel up top with everyone else because they’ve demonstrated their level of professionalism in a virtual war zone for 50 years. They’re hard to beat in experience and traininging. Up till 10 years ago I would have argued they had the best air force in the world.
Actually, I’ve been disappointed in their army’s performance in their last two serious outings. From what I’ve seen, they’ve deteriorated. Oh, they’re not third tier, but based on performances both in Lebanon and in Gaza I’m not sure I consider them top tier either.
| 903 |
Gus Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:48:19am |
re: #899 iceweasel
Minister:
LOL
Ah yes. Colson. Former attorney for Tricky Dick. C-Street connections no doubt.
| 904 |
iceweasel Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:49:36am |
re: #903 Gus 802
Ah yes. Colson. Former attorney for Tricky Dick. C-Street connections no doubt.
C-Street Connection should just be slang for ‘mens room hookup’ at this point.
| 905 |
RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:50:06am |
re: #900 Jeff In Ohio
You should have ordered Coney, no onions no mustard, or as they say a Skyline a “chili cheese’.
I figured “chili dog” was universal. Who doesn’t know what a chili dog is? I hate North Dakota. //
| 906 |
First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:50:12am |
re: #843 Jeff In Ohio
I was offered a job in Omaha. They flew me out, fed me corn fed stake, showed me some big boned women. I liked the airport, it reminded me of a bus depot.
I’m not a big believer in regionalism, nor do I subscribe to “Texas pride”. However, I have to say that “corn-fed cattle from Nebraska” is exactly the kind of thing at which snobbish Texan carnivores look down our noses. Monocle and all.
Grass-fed cattle weigh less (and are therefore less profitable) than corn-fed commodity cattle, but are healthier overall. Their resultant beef is less fatty, a bit firmer in texture (not to be confused with “toughness”), and much easier to cook to specification. And yes, you would notice the difference if presented with both side-by-side.
Disclaimer: while I am a ravenous carnivore, if required to participate directly in the slaughter and butchery of my food, I would very likely convert to veganism overnight. I’m intrinsically averse to killing animals, but some of them are very tasty. Make of that what you will.
| 907 |
Gus Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:50:25am |
re: #904 iceweasel
C-Street Connection should just be slang for ‘mens room hookup’ at this point.
Just a formalization of the phrase “glory hole”.
//
| 908 |
Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:51:12am |
re: #905 RogueOne
I figured “chili dog” was universal. Who doesn’t know what a chili dog is? I hate North Dakota. //
“Hey Gunther, there’s this guy out here that wants a chili dog…is that terrier still out back?”
| 909 |
First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:51:52am |
re: #860 iceweasel
Nothing! Jimmah and I just watched Spinal Tap (again) and I’m feeling silly today.
If you haven’t already, see “Best In Show” RIGHT NOW. No, not later. Right. The Hell. Now.
| 910 |
RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:52:03am |
re: #906 negativ
One thing I’ll give Nebraska is they do have a large number of good steak houses.
| 911 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:52:38am |
re: #907 Gus 802
Just a formalization of the phrase “glory hole”.
//
oh boy!….another rump ranger story?
| 912 |
Gus Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:53:21am |
re: #911 albusteve
oh boy!…another rump ranger story?
None that I can think of at this present time. /
| 914 |
Ericus58 Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:53:46am |
re: #905 RogueOne
I figured “chili dog” was universal. Who doesn’t know what a chili dog is? I hate North Dakota. //
My Wife is from North Dakota.
Sir, I demand Satisfaction!
| 915 |
iceweasel Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:53:53am |
re: #904 iceweasel
C-Street Connection should just be slang for ‘mens room hookup’ at this point.
In fact, it would also be a great name for a drag act.
Also, are people familiar with the horror that is the Young Cons rap group? I think CJ might have posted a vid at one point.
| 916 |
Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:53:55am |
re: #906 negativ
Being a soldier in the war on corn mono-culutre, I’ve always been disturbed by the thought of ‘cornfed’ anything. Essentially this means “We raised our cows in a warehouse, feedbag chained to its nose, not enough room to turn around.” Very appealing.
Like Omaha.
| 917 |
Jeff In Ohio Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:54:43am |
re: #914 Ericus58
My Wife is from North Dakota.
Sir, I demand Satisfaction!
Maybe she has a cousin from Kentucky.
| 918 |
iceweasel Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:55:00am |
re: #909 negativ
If you haven’t already, see “Best In Show” RIGHT NOW. No, not later. Right. The Hell. Now.
We have it on DVD! I think Jimmah hasn’t seen it yet though. Tonight, maybe! Thanks for reminding me of it, what a great movie.
| 919 |
RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:55:18am |
re: #914 Ericus58
My Wife is from North Dakota.
Sir, I demand Satisfaction!
Damnit. I figured I was safe bad-mouthing ND, nobody really lives there.//
| 920 |
Ericus58 Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:55:44am |
| 921 |
Ericus58 Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:57:31am |
re: #919 RogueOne
Damnit. I figured I was safe bad-mouthing ND, nobody really lives there.//
Heh!
Actually, most of her siblings have all left the state and now live here in Washington state. Four of them here, 2 still in Bismark area on the oldest in Florida.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 10:59:13am |
re: #921 Ericus58
My wifes family lives along the SD-IA border. I’ve been there enough I don’t really need to go back. There’s not a whole lot going on around there.
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kirkspencer Sat, Apr 9, 2011 11:02:02am |
re: #902 kirkspencer
Actually, I’ve been disappointed in their army’s performance in their last two serious outings. From what I’ve seen, they’ve deteriorated. Oh, they’re not third tier, but based on performances both in Lebanon and in Gaza I’m not sure I consider them top tier either.
I should have expanded this. There’s a risk for any military that fights a limited but extremely long war. That risk is that the leadership lets the military forget the rest of its job.
Israel’s army, over the past decade and a half to two decades, has spent a lot of its training and focus on urban guerrilla suppression with an unfortunate assumption and practice of having the advantage in every measure. When confronted in Lebanon with a force they did not outnumber their performance was functionally a meeting of equals. I am quite aware that a lot of people point to how they were restricted by the government, yet I’m speaking of the tactical (battalion and smaller) performance. In Gaza there were too many cases where force balances of 9:1 (including air multipliers) were required to overcome strongpoints.
As you noted, the air force quality has also deteriorated. Putting it simplistically, the force seems to be doing the same thing as the army and assuming the bad guys have essentially no air defense, much less oppositional air. That’s true of Gaza. Lebanon was a minor surprise. Their performance in recent multinational exercises has been surprisingly disappointing.
I still think they’re better than most of their neighbors, but I’m no longer willing to consider them anywhere near the pinnacle of the warfighting profession.
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RogueOne Sat, Apr 9, 2011 11:05:57am |
Didn’t realize how late it’s become. Enjoy the rest of the day people.
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