Ron Paul: Libertarian, Except When It Comes to Women’s Rights

Libertarian kook makes his anti-women’s rights position explicit
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Crazy libertarian uncle Ron Paul would seem to be a poor fit with today’s religious right-dominated Republican Party. But they’re willing to overlook his anti-war isolationism and anarcho-capitalist economic lunacy, because Uncle Paul is just as eager to control women’s bodies as the rest of the GOP: Ron Paul antes up on abortion.

Speaking for the Iowa Family Leader’s presidential lecture series in Sioux City, Paul said that he is troubled when he hears libertarians advocate for abortion rights. Describing conversations with supporters, the Texas congressman and presidential hopeful said he often here a “libertarian type of argument” along the lines of “it’s the woman’s body. She can do whatever she wants. She can have an abortion.”

“I don’t like them to use that argument – that believing in liberty means you can kill the unborn,” Paul said.

Paul contended that libertarianism and opposing abortion are not separate philosophies, but rather stem from the same belief structure.

“Life comes from our creator, not our government. Liberty comes from our creator, not from government,” he said. “Therefore, the purpose, if there is to be a purpose, for government is to protect life and liberty.”

The lecture series being put on by The Family Leader is playing host to most of the leading presidential contenders over the next few months as the social conservative group tries to solidify its supporters as a key voting bloc ahead of next year’s caucus.

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401 comments

1 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:06:31pm

Speaking of moobs and manties.

2 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:07:43pm

Well, the two positions can be reconciled; If you define a fetus as a person. But that reconciliation would turn entirely on that question. But I don't take a strong position on abortion anymore, because I'm not sure about how to answer that question.

3 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:08:33pm

re: #1 b_sharp

Speaking of moobs and manties.

Ron Paul is actually in pretty good shape physically. It's the inside of his head that's in sorry shape.

4 albusteve  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:09:38pm

protecting life and liberty!
no thanks

5 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:10:03pm

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

Ron Paul is actually in pretty good shape physically. It's the inside of his head that's in sorry shape.

He is the man boob with his man panties perpetually in a knot.

6 eastsider  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:12:20pm

How do you ensure that Republicans will watch out for your health and well-being?

Remain a fetus.

7 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:13:02pm

OK, It's Dennis Kucinnich & his wife that I find very odd.
Ron Paul, well, it's his policies...
[Link: www.clevescene.com...]

8 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:17:53pm

re: #6 eastsider

How do you ensure that Republicans will watch out for your health and well-being?

Remain a fetus.

- Mam, you look terribly pregnant. Are you having quadruplets?

- Not at all, I been pregnant for two years.

9 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:21:36pm

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

Well, the two positions can be reconciled; If you define a fetus as a person. But that reconciliation would turn entirely on that question. But I don't take a strong position on abortion anymore, because I'm not sure about how to answer that question.

I honestly do not understand what the hell libertarianism is about well enough to know if he is being consistent or not. I would love it if Mr. Paul would begin by explaining to me what he believes the legally enforced responsibility should be of the father of a child, before and after its birth.

10 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:22:17pm

re: #4 albusteve

protecting life and liberty!
no thanks

I guess the pursuit of happiness is too frivolous, if we're talking about women.

11 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:22:55pm

re: #9 SanFranciscoZionist

I honestly do not understand what the hell libertarianism is about well enough to know if he is being consistent or not. I would love it if Mr. Paul would begin by explaining to me what he believes the legally enforced responsibility should be of the father of a child, before and after its birth.

Quite Concur.

12 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:24:06pm

Yep, you're a person for the purposes of outlawing abortion. But don't expect Uncle Sam to help you out with prenatal care, housing, food, or any other than other stuff. You ain't got the money to bring a kid into the world, then you shoulda kept your damned legs closed. And don't give me none of that jazz about rape, that kid didn't do nothin' wrong and you should abort him because that's against God's plan.

/(Excuse me while I waste the taste of bile out of my mouth)

13 albusteve  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:24:39pm

re: #10 SanFranciscoZionist

I guess the pursuit of happiness is too frivolous, if we're talking about women.

I don't dig Paul's message for any of it...maybe that Cadillac will run out of gas

14 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:25:12pm

re: #10 SanFranciscoZionist

I guess the pursuit of happiness is too frivolous, if we're talking about women.

Quoted, for truth!

15 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:25:35pm

re: #12 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yep, you're a person for the purposes of outlawing abortion. But don't expect Uncle Sam to help you out with prenatal care, housing, food, or any other than other stuff. You ain't got the money to bring a kid into the world, then you shoulda kept your damned legs closed. And don't give me none of that jazz about rape, that kid didn't do nothin' wrong and you should abort him because that's against God's plan.

/(Excuse me while I waste the taste of bile out of my mouth)

(Excuse me while I wash the taste of bile out of my mouth)

Fixed.

16 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:27:03pm

re: #15 b_sharp

(Excuse me while I wash the taste of bile out of my mouth)

Fixed.

PIMF

17 engineer cat  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:28:02pm

“Life comes from our creator, not our government. Liberty comes from our creator, not from government,”

and decisions about morality come from ron paul?

18 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:28:03pm

re: #16 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

PIMF

You sounded really pissed so I thought I'd do it for you.

19 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:31:52pm

re: #12 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yep, you're a person for the purposes of outlawing abortion. But don't expect Uncle Sam to help you out with prenatal care, housing, food, or any other than other stuff. You ain't got the money to bring a kid into the world, then you shoulda kept your damned legs closed. And don't give me none of that jazz about rape, that kid didn't do nothin' wrong and you should abort him because that's against God's plan.

/(Excuse me while I waste the taste of bile out of my mouth)

Pretty much. Mr. Paul, that kid that didn't ask to be conceived, and is just along for the ride? You want to protect him? Me too. I want to make sure he gets proper medical care from before the time his mama knows she's pregnant. I want him to get good nutrition growing up, and a good education. I want him to be treated with justice, and get a good job, without having some asshole tell him they don't hire black, white, Latino, Asian, Native American or martian types.

This is why, as a liberal, I believe that we should have a society and a government that uses our resources to give all our kids a fair shake. Now, what was your plan for protecting that unborn baby again?

20 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:32:34pm

re: #17 engineer dog

“Life comes from our creator, not our government. Liberty comes from our creator, not from government,”

and decisions about morality come from ron paul?

I'll give Luap Nor some credit, since he's an OB/GYN. So he does know a great deal about pregnancy and that does give him so additional authority.

That's not to say he's right, but he does have some legit claim to expertise on this one.

21 jamesfirecat  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:32:55pm

Dark I've got something I want you to see since I've mentioned it in two other threads, and its pretty on topic.


I say this not to attack but to try and pierce the veil of partisanship.

1: Do you support defunding planned parenthood?

2: If you do not, a category that I suspect most I expect most right leaning lizards fall into... are you okay with the fact that your party took a large swipe at an important American Institution to get a few more billion trimmed from the budget?

Yes you can say that they did it as a bargaining chip without the intent of ever actually defunding planned parenthood, that they were being canny politicians... but ultimately, if you say any of those things... at the end of the day, how are you not saying that the ends justify the means?

I desperately want/need to hear an answer so I don't end up losing much of my respect for you Dark.

22 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:34:12pm

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

I'll give Luap Nor some credit, since he's an OB/GYN. So he does know a great deal about pregnancy and that does give him so additional authority.

That's not to say he's right, but he does have some legit claim to expertise on this one.

His authority extends to OB/GYN, not moral issues.

23 albusteve  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:35:17pm

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

I'll give Luap Nor some credit, since he's an OB/GYN. So he does know a great deal about pregnancy and that does give him so additional authority.

That's not to say he's right, but he does have some legit claim to expertise on this one.

so?...I'm the Duke of Earl

24 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:35:44pm

re: #23 albusteve

Or, maybe not?

25 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:35:54pm

re: #23 albusteve

so?...I'm the Duke of Earl

Isn't there a song about you?

26 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:36:53pm

So what's going to happen with this nation? It seems everywhere I turn there's a politician rambling on about something. It seems as though every year is an election year with the time consuming and big money spending campaign season -- let alone the obnoxious political ads. Every I look there's talk of government and even people like so called libertarians represent a form of big government in one fashion or another. We have become in effect a nation that speaks much but does little.

27 albusteve  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:37:40pm

re: #25 b_sharp

Isn't there a song about you?

oh yes, I'm renowned...but my word on morality has the same value as Paul's....zero

28 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:37:48pm

LOL!
RW talking points...

Today elitist Rockefeller Republican Mitt Romney announced he will run for President. In his ad, he talked about creating good jobs and the usual GOP talking points of the last 21 years.
29 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:38:11pm

re: #18 b_sharp

You sounded really pissed so I thought I'd do it for you.

Not so much pissed as tired, namely of watching the perversion of all that our Founding Fathers worked for, agonized over, and shed bled for into an excuse to impose an archaic system of morality upon this nation. Once upon a time, I flirted with the idea of libertarianism, but it's becoming obvious to me that the only difference between it and conservatism is that one thinks the federal government has the power to do what it wants, while the other thinks the states should hold that power.

30 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:39:34pm

re: #26 Gus 802

So what's going to happen with this nation? It seems everywhere I turn there's a politician rambling on about something. It seems as though every year is an election year with the time consuming and big money spending campaign season -- let alone the obnoxious political ads. Every I look there's talk of government and even people like so called libertarians represent a form of big government in one fashion or another. We have become in effect a nation that speaks much but does little.

We'll piss and moan at each other, but Democracy will prevail.
And, we will remain strong, productive and proud as a nation.

31 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:40:39pm

re: #9 SanFranciscoZionist

I honestly do not understand what the hell libertarianism is about well enough to know if he is being consistent or not. I would love it if Mr. Paul would begin by explaining to me what he believes the legally enforced responsibility should be of the father of a child, before and after its birth.

I would like to know just exactly how Ron Paul would enforce a ban on abortion and what the punishment would be for women who have them. Jail? Fines? A scarlet letter sewn to their clothes?

32 albusteve  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:41:48pm

re: #29 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Not so much pissed as tired, namely of watching the perversion of all that our Founding Fathers worked for, agonized over, and shed bled for into an excuse to impose an archaic system of morality upon this nation. Once upon a time, I flirted with the idea of libertarianism, but it's becoming obvious to me that the only difference between it and conservatism is that one thinks the federal government has the power to do what it wants, while the other thinks the states should hold that power.

building model planes is fun and relaxing...a drug free buzz and you won't want to fret about politics...or get a goat

33 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:41:52pm

re: #31 moderatelyradicalliberal

They'd get a red "W" for whore, tattooed on their foreheads.

34 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:42:11pm

re: #19 SanFranciscoZionist

Pretty much. Mr. Paul, that kid that didn't ask to be conceived, and is just along for the ride? You want to protect him? Me too. I want to make sure he gets proper medical care from before the time his mama knows she's pregnant. I want him to get good nutrition growing up, and a good education. I want him to be treated with justice, and get a good job, without having some asshole tell him they don't hire black, white, Latino, Asian, Native American or martian types.

This is why, as a liberal, I believe that we should have a society and a government that uses our resources to give all our kids a fair shake. Now, what was your plan for protecting that unborn baby again?

I'm believer in the idea that if you want to write laws so that life begins at conception and grant government protections to that life for the purposes of preventing abortion, then you have created an obligation by the government to protect that life in whatever manner is necessary to ensure it at least comes to term, if not after. That means providing poor mothers with the means to receive prenatal care, to afford nutrious food, to have a safe place to rest, and some manner of self-reliance so that they can assure that that child will have the best chance upon birth.

If the government can't do any of that, then it is not ensuring liberty, it is stripping it from the mother in the name of religious morality.

35 blueraven  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:42:28pm

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

I'll give Luap Nor some credit, since he's an OB/GYN. So he does know a great deal about pregnancy and that does give him so additional authority.

That's not to say he's right, but he does have some legit claim to expertise on this one.

His being an OB/GYN does not give him anymore credence on the origins of life and liberty, only on pregnancy and childbirth. Please.

36 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:44:09pm

re: #30 Floral Giraffe

We'll piss and moan at each other, but Democracy will prevail.
And, we will remain strong, productive and proud as a nation.

I hope? I don't know. As you know I'm still struggling here. It's been almost 3 years since the financial meltdown of 2008 and there's barely any hope in site. Politicians and financial institutions have reorganized themselves to maintain their status quo of wealth and influence but the rest of us have been left here down on the ground -- as usual of course. I'm still waiting to see a doctor and it's already almost May -- I signed up in January. I'm rambling but we need to cut down on election cycle in this country by condensing them to once every 4 years.

37 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:44:36pm

re: #21 jamesfirecat

Dark I've got something I want you to see since I've mentioned it in two other threads, and its pretty on topic.

I say this not to attack but to try and pierce the veil of partisanship.

1: Do you support defunding planned parenthood?

2: If you do not, a category that I suspect most I expect most right leaning lizards fall into... are you okay with the fact that your party took a large swipe at an important American Institution to get a few more billion trimmed from the budget?

Yes you can say that they did it as a bargaining chip without the intent of ever actually defunding planned parenthood, that they were being canny politicians... but ultimately, if you say any of those things... at the end of the day, how are you not saying that the ends justify the means?

I desperately want/need to hear an answer so I don't end up losing much of my respect for you Dark.

1. It wasn't a priority for me, no. I don't really support it or oppose it. Abortion isn't an issue I vote on, either way.

2. I do not see Planned Parenthood as an "important American institution". To be honest, I've only ever thought of them as abortion providers, and my thoughts ended at that. That sounds myopic, I know, but they have no impact on my life, so I pay them very little attention.

38 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:45:31pm

re: #31 moderatelyradicalliberal

I would like to know just exactly how Ron Paul would enforce a ban on abortion and what the punishment would be for women who have them. Jail? Fines? A scarlet letter sewn to their clothes?

THERE WLL BE NO BAN, EVER. :) BECAUSE THERE DOESN'T NEED TO BE ONE!


Seriously, just look at what is happening now, and then just add up the future extrapolations of that in your head. They don't need to BAN abortions. They just need to make access impossible. Then a ban is irrelevant, because the've just inch

by inch
by
inch
by
inch
by
inch
restricted access to abortion until you can't get them anymore. And everyone will be all BUT BUT BUT ROE VERSUS WADE! and it won't mean a lick of shit because if nobody will perform an abortion within any possible access, physical or financial, within your means? then who cares about a ban.

39 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:46:25pm

re: #36 Gus 802

And, you know, I wish you nothing but the best.

40 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:46:25pm

re: #28 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
RW talking points...

CNN ran a story of the latest polls in Florida, which show Romney and Huckabee beating Obama in the sunshine state. Palin however, loses badly to Obama in that same poll.

41 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:46:28pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

1. It wasn't a priority for me, no. I don't really support it or oppose it. Abortion isn't an issue I vote on, either way.

2. I do not see Planned Parenthood as an "important American institution". To be honest, I've only ever thought of them as abortion providers, and my thoughts ended at that. That sounds myopic, I know, but they have no impact on my life, so I pay them very little attention.

I have noticed you seem to only take people exactly like yourself into account when you form your political opinions

42 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:46:51pm

re: #32 albusteve

building model planes is fun and relaxing...a drug free buzz and you won't want to fret about politics...or get a goat

I've tried building models before, my hands for some reason simply aren't steady enough for the fine painting. And if I had enough room for a goat 'round here, I'd be working on a good sized vegetable garden right now...speaking of which, perhaps that's what I should work on this weekend.

43 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:47:26pm

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

It's totally early to be doing polls for 2012.

44 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:47:28pm

re: #38 WindUpBird

THERE WLL BE NO BAN, EVER. :) BECAUSE THERE DOESN'T NEED TO BE ONE!

Seriously, just look at what is happening now, and then just add up the future extrapolations of that in your head. They don't need to BAN abortions. They just need to make access impossible. Then a ban is irrelevant, because the've just inch

by inch
by
inch
by
inch
by
inch
restricted access to abortion until you can't get them anymore. And everyone will be all BUT BUT BUT ROE VERSUS WADE! and it won't mean a lick of shit because if nobody will perform an abortion within any possible access, physical or financial, within your means? then who cares about a ban.

Sadly, you are correct.

45 jamesfirecat  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:47:29pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

1. It wasn't a priority for me, no. I don't really support it or oppose it. Abortion isn't an issue I vote on, either way.

2. I do not see Planned Parenthood as an "important American institution". To be honest, I've only ever thought of them as abortion providers, and my thoughts ended at that. That sounds myopic, I know, but they have no impact on my life, so I pay them very little attention.

Um... you realize that thinking about Planned Parenthood as an abortion provider is a lot like thinking about Marvel comics primarily in terms of The Punisher?

Abortion is only 3% of what they do....

46 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:47:46pm

re: #41 WindUpBird

I have noticed you seem to only take people exactly like yourself into account when you form your political opinions

which, you know, is 90% of the country, so I don't even mind, it's "par"


But when you see me getting frustrated with your opinions, know that that lies at the core of it, because my life has always involved working with people who are radicially different from myself

47 albusteve  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:48:05pm

re: #36 Gus 802

I hope? I don't know. As you know I'm still struggling here. It's been almost 3 years since the financial meltdown of 2008 and there's barely any hope in site. Politicians and financial institutions have reorganized themselves to maintain their status quo of wealth and influence but the rest of us have been left here down on the ground -- as usual of course. I'm still waiting to see a doctor and it's already almost May -- I signed up in January. I'm rambling but we need to cut down on election cycle in this country by condensing them to once every 4 years.

what?...no recovery?
I feel for you

48 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:48:05pm

re: #43 Floral Giraffe

It's totally early to be doing polls for 2012.

unless you're a bookie! Hey, what's the over?

49 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:48:23pm

re: #45 jamesfirecat

Um... you realize that thinking about Planned Parenthood as an abortion provider is a lot like thinking about Marvel comics primarily in terms of The Punisher?

Abortion is only 3% of what they do...

hahahahahahahaha


"What's a vagina?"

50 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:49:34pm

re: #45 jamesfirecat

Um... you realize that thinking about Planned Parenthood as an abortion provider is a lot like thinking about Marvel comics primarily in terms of The Punisher?

Abortion is only 3% of what they do...

How silly. Marvel Comics is all about Wolverine, didn't ya? know?

//

51 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:50:00pm

re: #48 WindUpBird

unless you're a bookie! Hey, what's the over?

Or the under!

52 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:50:05pm

re: #49 WindUpBird

hahahahahahahaha

"What's a vagina?"

Something most people touch at least once.

53 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:50:30pm

re: #51 Floral Giraffe

Or the under!

Typical woman.

54 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:50:45pm

re: #52 b_sharp

Something many folks aspire to get into.
Yes, I posted that!

55 albusteve  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:50:48pm

re: #42 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I've tried building models before, my hands for some reason simply aren't steady enough for the fine painting. And if I had enough room for a goat 'round here, I'd be working on a good sized vegetable garden right now...speaking of which, perhaps that's what I should work on this weekend.

there you go, right there

56 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:50:49pm

re: #41 WindUpBird

I have noticed you seem to only take people exactly like yourself into account when you form your political opinions

Um, isn't that what being a conservative means nowadays?

57 Lidane  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:50:51pm

I still want someone to explain to me how controlling a woman's body squares with the concept of individual liberty.

Also, Ron Paul being an OB/GYN doesn't give him any special insight or powers in this debate. Of course he's anti-choice. That means more people coming to his office for medical services. If they can afford it, anyway. =P

58 engineer cat  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:50:53pm

re: #32 albusteve

building model planes is fun and relaxing...a drug free buzz and you won't want to fret about politics...or get a goat

can i keep the goat then?

59 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:51:54pm

re: #38 WindUpBird

THERE WLL BE NO BAN, EVER. :) BECAUSE THERE DOESN'T NEED TO BE ONE!

Seriously, just look at what is happening now, and then just add up the future extrapolations of that in your head. They don't need to BAN abortions. They just need to make access impossible. Then a ban is irrelevant, because the've just inch

by inch
by
inch
by
inch
by
inch
restricted access to abortion until you can't get them anymore. And everyone will be all BUT BUT BUT ROE VERSUS WADE! and it won't mean a lick of shit because if nobody will perform an abortion within any possible access, physical or financial, within your means? then who cares about a ban.

Oh, abortion will never be truly banned. Just restricted to the rich and the political elite, who can afford to hire private doctors who will not only make sure their little darling isn't saddled with a "mistake," but will be quiet about it so as to avoid any scandals.

60 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:52:07pm

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

I'll give Luap Nor some credit, since he's an OB/GYN. So he does know a great deal about pregnancy and that does give him so additional authority.

That's not to say he's right, but he does have some legit claim to expertise on this one.

If only he made any arguments that actually had anything to do with medicine, or science, or facts, or reality, or the human race, or anything true. No, he has no expertise. Because no matter how good I am at fixing cars, if I then claim that cars can fly and cast spells and talk like Francis the Talking Mule, I have lost any authority I might have claimed.


if only he wasn't a racist pile of woman-hating shit, consumed by a completely anti-human and vicious philosophy. But he is! Fuck Ron Paul. He's dogshit, I hope he runs and I hope Obama just embarrasses him to the point of his nervous breakdown

61 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:52:20pm

re: #47 albusteve

what?...no recovery?
I feel for you

It's going to get worse again. Trust me. The price of gasoline is going to go up and wreak havoc on this feeble recovery.

62 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:52:23pm

re: #51 Floral Giraffe

Or the under!

He was over under...and I was under done...

63 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:52:39pm

re: #59 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh, abortion will never be truly banned. Just restricted to the rich and the political elite, who can afford to hire private doctors who will not only make sure their little darling isn't saddled with a "mistake," but will be quiet about it so as to avoid any scandals.

right

64 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:53:15pm

re: #59 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh, abortion will never be truly banned. Just restricted to the rich and the political elite, who can afford to hire private doctors who will not only make sure their little darling isn't saddled with a "mistake," but will be quiet about it so as to avoid any scandals.

I should just have an asterisk next to my name that reads "I assume laws never apply to the powerful, because they're powerful" but yes, exactly right :D

65 jamesfirecat  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:53:18pm

re: #59 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh, abortion will never be truly banned. Just restricted to the rich and the political elite, who can afford to hire private doctors who will not only make sure their little darling isn't saddled with a "mistake," but will be quiet about it so as to avoid any scandals.

While poor and middle class women die in alleys with coat hangers in their hands.....

66 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:53:36pm

re: #61 Gus 802

$4.17 on average in LA today. GAH!

67 Lidane  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:53:37pm

re: #59 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh, abortion will never be truly banned. Just restricted to the rich and the political elite, who can afford to hire private doctors who will not only make sure their little darling isn't saddled with a "mistake," but will be quiet about it so as to avoid any scandals.

In other words, things will go back to how they used to be.

68 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:53:39pm

re: #50 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

How silly. Marvel Comics is all about Wolverine, didn't ya? know?

//

New Mutants, please

69 albusteve  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:53:55pm

re: #58 engineer dog

can i keep the goat then?

yup, they make great pets and taste good too...a perfect critter

70 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:54:10pm

re: #67 Lidane

In other words, things will go back to how they used to be.

right, no matter how advanced we are technologically, our country can still make life miserable for its citizens

71 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:54:20pm

re: #64 WindUpBird

I should just have an asterisk next to my name that reads "I assume laws never apply to the powerful, because they're powerful" but yes, exactly right :D

But, what will you do differently WHEN you are one of the powerfull?

72 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:55:34pm

re: #66 Floral Giraffe

$4.17 on average in LA today. GAH!

Can we drop a DAISY on Gaddafi's compound already and get it over with?

;)

73 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:55:59pm

re: #61 Gus 802

It's going to get worse again. Trust me. The price of gasoline is going to go up and wreak havoc on this feeble recovery.

When I went to work about 11:30 pm Sunday night, Bradley had the price set at 3.48 a gallon (Bradley is about the cheapest in the state). After my overnight shift, on my way home, the price was 3.56 a gallon, up 6 cents overnight.

I have an extra overnight shift tonight, I'll see if it goes up again?

74 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:56:00pm
75 Lidane  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:56:06pm

re: #70 WindUpBird

right, no matter how advanced we are technologically, our country can still make life miserable for its citizens

Only the ones that make under $250k a year, or who aren't straight white Christian men.

76 albusteve  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:56:20pm

re: #61 Gus 802

It's going to get worse again. Trust me. The price of gasoline is going to go up and wreak havoc on this feeble recovery.

I don't have to trust you...I've been saying that for two years, but to the enlightened many, there is a full blown recovery in motion....heh, people I otherwise admire

77 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:56:54pm

re: #76 albusteve

So, who do you trust, if anyone?

78 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:57:08pm

re: #71 Floral Giraffe

But, what will you do differently WHEN you are one of the powerfull?

I'm already powerful :D

79 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:57:24pm

re: #75 Lidane

Only the ones that make under $250k a year, or who aren't straight white Christian men.

measured with the finest teutonic calibers

80 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:57:26pm

re: #76 albusteve

I don't have to trust you...I've been saying that for two years, but to the enlightened many, there is a full blown recovery in motion...heh, people I otherwise admire

Yeah. Even the luxury housing market is down the tubes.

81 blueraven  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:57:33pm

re: #61 Gus 802

It's going to get worse again. Trust me. The price of gasoline is going to go up and wreak havoc on this feeble recovery.

I hope not Gus. But you need to go to whatever, Dr office/clinic and sit there until they see you. I did that once years ago. I told them in a firm but calm voice that I would not leave until I saw the Dr., and I meant it. It took about an hour or so, but I saw the dr.

82 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:57:58pm

re: #78 WindUpBird

Well, yes, you are.
In some ways...

83 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:58:00pm

re: #62 WindUpBird

He was over under...and I was under done...

Git yer mind out of the ... wherever it is.

84 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:58:27pm

re: #76 albusteve

I don't have to trust you...I've been saying that for two years, but to the enlightened many, there is a full blown recovery in motion...heh, people I otherwise admire

I don't believe there is any such recovery, I think it's a facade, it's more like the ship of America is finding it's (lower) level. There's no recovery, there's just sort of a smoothing out of the shit

85 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:58:34pm

re: #65 jamesfirecat

While poor and middle class women die in alleys with coat hangers in their hands...

Don't worry, next item on the docket: Outlawing wire hangers and all other implements "known" to be used to perform "illegal" abortions. Alongside that will be laws to investigate all miscarriages as possible abortion attempts, with any "suspects" being charged with murder.

Afterward, just to ensure low miscarriage rates and healthy births, women will only be allowed to mate with "genetically superior" men, particularly those of the ruling elite.

Oh sorry, been reading The Handmaid's Tale again, haven't I?

86 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:58:41pm

re: #83 b_sharp

Git yer mind out of the ... wherever it is.

airplane? :D

87 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:58:50pm

re: #81 blueraven

I hope not Gus. But you need to go to whatever, Dr office/clinic and sit there until they see you. I did that once years ago. I told them in a firm but calm voice that I would not leave until I saw the Dr., and I meant it. It took about an hour or so, but I saw the dr.

YES. Gus!
Read this & act upon it.
Pretty please!

88 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:59:00pm

Please excuse my absence. Firefox froze up for a bit.

89 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:59:07pm

re: #85 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

man, the GOp might just actually give us our dystopian future

90 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:59:16pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

Please excuse my absence. Firefox froze up for a bit.

chrome is better

91 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:59:34pm

re: #81 blueraven

I hope not Gus. But you need to go to whatever, Dr office/clinic and sit there until they see you. I did that once years ago. I told them in a firm but calm voice that I would not leave until I saw the Dr., and I meant it. It took about an hour or so, but I saw the dr.

I'm sure I recounted a similar incident on LGF before... in 1988, I had my girlfriend drop me off on the curb of the local emergency room and I sat on the sidewalk until a nurse came along and took care of me. I had a hernia that was about ready to bust out of me, and I needed an operation, had no medical coverage, I got the operation. The handcuffs helped.

92 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:59:40pm

re: #87 Floral Giraffe

YES. Gus!
Read this & act upon it.
Pretty please!

I said I would already. OK, I'll try again soon.

93 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:59:56pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

Please excuse my absence. Firefox froze up for a bit.

4.0?

94 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 8:59:59pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

(particulary for LGF, firefox choked for me constantly on LGF on really long threads when I was multitasking, chrome never does)

95 jamesfirecat  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:00:16pm

re: #89 WindUpBird

man, the GOp might just actually give us our dystopian future

You know what, I'd honestly prefer one nation under Hailiburton to that... at least if we lived in a society run by gigantic corporations we could start splicing machines into our bodies and be all cyber punk....

96 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:00:37pm

re: #45 jamesfirecat

Um... you realize that thinking about Planned Parenthood as an abortion provider is a lot like thinking about Marvel comics primarily in terms of The Punisher?

Abortion is only 3% of what they do...

Which is why Kyl's lie is so disgusting, he's playing into a deep and entrenched ignorance. We have proof right here, exposing that lie hasn't even registered as a new data point to be entered into the deliberation of the conservative mindset. They don't mind being lied to and will repeat those lies long after the truth comes out.

It's like personal integrity is a completely foreign concept.

97 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:00:45pm

re: #94 WindUpBird

(particulary for LGF, firefox choked for me constantly on LGF on really long threads when I was multitasking, chrome never does)

Neither does Safari.

98 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:01:13pm

re: #95 jamesfirecat

You know what, I'd honestly prefer one nation under Hailiburton to that... at least if we lived in a society run by gigantic corporations we could start splicing machines into our bodies and be all cyber punk...

What do you mean "could" kemosabe, we're there now ;-) it's only going to get more interesting

99 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:01:43pm

Lynyrd...
Turn it up!

Goodnight all.

100 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:02:05pm

re: #93 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

4.0?

Yes.

101 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:02:18pm

re: #95 jamesfirecat

You know what, I'd honestly prefer one nation under Hailiburton to that... at least if we lived in a society run by gigantic corporations we could start splicing machines into our bodies and be all cyber punk...


And I think yes, the predictions are true, we will eventually start seeing far more naked corporate ownership and control of everything we used to consider a public utility

102 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:02:36pm

re: #84 WindUpBird

I don't believe there is any such recovery, I think it's a facade, it's more like the ship of America is finding it's (lower) level. There's no recovery, there's just sort of a smoothing out of the shit

They're regrouping trying to find a way to keep screwing the rest of us. People are about to get hit with even more charges from banks especially affecting debit card use. One thing after the other.

103 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:02:48pm

re: #95 jamesfirecat

You know what, I'd honestly prefer one nation under Hailiburton to that... at least if we lived in a society run by gigantic corporations we could start splicing machines into our bodies and be all cyber punk...

"He say you brade runna."

/

104 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:03:01pm

re: #66 Floral Giraffe

$4.17 on average in LA today. GAH!

I'm fixin' my bikes up.

105 Lidane  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:03:17pm

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

It's like personal integrity is a completely foreign concept.

Pfft. That only applies to people that aren't Republicans. Same goes for bootstrapping your way through life and personal and/or fiscal responsibility.

106 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:03:35pm

I'm having trouble reading this article and keeping up with LGF at the same time...

"Why it's harder to multitask as you get older"

[Link: thechart.blogs.cnn.com...]

107 jamesfirecat  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:03:52pm

re: #98 WindUpBird

What do you mean "could" kemosabe, we're there now ;-) it's only going to get more interesting

Fair enough, though at the moment we can't all be mermaids

108 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:04:19pm

re: #98 WindUpBird

What do you mean "could" kemosabe, we're there now ;-) it's only going to get more interesting

One nation, under Weyland-Yutani.

109 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:05:31pm

re: #66 Floral Giraffe

$4.17 on average in LA today. GAH!

One of these days we are going to have a real conversation about the fact that we will never have cheap gas again. When I got my first car 14 years ago, gas was about $1 per gallon for regular unleaded. It's about 4x more expensive today. The trajectory seems quite clear to me.

110 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:06:53pm

re: #46 WindUpBird

which, you know, is 90% of the country, so I don't even mind, it's "par"

But when you see me getting frustrated with your opinions, know that that lies at the core of it, because my life has always involved working with people who are radicially different from myself

That's very difficult for me, WUB. I normally cannot understand what such people are feeling or thinking unless its obvious. Thus I tend to keep the interactions between me and anyone who is radically different formal and correct. I stand on ceremony and rules, using those to prevent missteps. Compared to your life, its fairly dreary, but I've come to accept it and be content with it.

111 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:06:57pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

Please excuse my absence. Firefox froze up for a bit.

I've been doing OK with Opera.

112 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:07:26pm

A public utility is no more a public entity anymore than Coca Cola is is public corporation because they sell Coke to the public.

113 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:07:29pm

re: #109 moderatelyradicalliberal

One of these days we are going to have a real conversation about the fact that we will never have cheap gas again. When I got my first car 14 years ago, gas was about $1 per gallon for regular unleaded. It's about 4x more expensive today. The trajectory seems quite clear to me.

Up here in the hinterland it's $4.92 Can / gal.

114 b_sharp  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:08:31pm

Night.

115 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:08:58pm

re: #95 jamesfirecat

You know what, I'd honestly prefer one nation under Hailiburton to that... at least if we lived in a society run by gigantic corporations we could start splicing machines into our bodies and be all cyber punk...

Yeah. Better cyberpunk dystopia than Gilead dystopia.

Best of all, no dystopia.

What's really interesting is watching middle-school kids debate the merits of the society from The Giver. Now that is a bizarre mess of issues for kids to tackle.

116 albusteve  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:09:02pm

re: #109 moderatelyradicalliberal

One of these days we are going to have a real conversation about the fact that we will never have cheap gas again. When I got my first car 14 years ago, gas was about $1 per gallon for regular unleaded. It's about 4x more expensive today. The trajectory seems quite clear to me.

speculation drives prices up...make believe stuff

117 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:09:42pm

re: #106 Walter L. Newton

I'm having trouble reading this article and keeping up with LGF at the same time...

"Why it's harder to multitask as you get older"

[Link: thechart.blogs.cnn.com...]

No way! You mean to tell me that some 25 year old can outperform a 69 year old in performing multiple tasks? Science!

//

118 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:10:40pm

re: #109 moderatelyradicalliberal

One of these days we are going to have a real conversation about the fact that we will never have cheap gas again. When I got my first car 14 years ago, gas was about $1 per gallon for regular unleaded. It's about 4x more expensive today. The trajectory seems quite clear to me.

Nah, we're going to continue chasing that dream of "cheap oil" by increasing off-shore drilling, opening up ANWR, starting up oil shale, and any other methods we can think up to further rape the planet in the hopes that we can get oil back below $80/bbl.

Some empires are destroyed from without. Others wind up committing suicide.

119 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:10:47pm

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

Which is why Kyl's lie is so disgusting, he's playing into a deep and entrenched ignorance. We have proof right here, exposing that lie hasn't even registered as a new data point to be entered into the deliberation of the conservative mindset. They don't mind being lied to and will repeat those lies long after the truth comes out.

It's like personal integrity is a completely foreign concept.

Yes, integrity has turned into a foreign concept.

120 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:11:22pm

re: #117 Gus 802

No way! You mean to tell me that some 25 year old can outperform a 69 year old in performing multiple tasks? Science!

//

Well... I can have sex and watch the weather channel at the same time!

121 jamesfirecat  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:11:27pm

re: #115 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. Better cyberpunk dystopia than Gilead dystopia.

Best of all, no dystopia.

What's really interesting is watching middle-school kids debate the merits of the society from The Giver. Now that is a bizarre mess of issues for kids to tackle.

No. Just no.

No color, no real sense of what it means to alive... just completely sterilized society.

Not only that, but it doesn't even make sense how they manage to have fifty kids in each year when they only have three women who give birth every year. At least not unless they've got them pumped full of some major fertility drugs....

122 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:11:28pm

Of course, I had one parent throw a hissy because I was having the kids read The Giver, and the characters are taking PILLS.

(The entire society is on medication to suppress their sex drives. What she focused on was that it was about PILLS. Apparently she didn't get as far as the infanticide, or the social imposition of lifetime jobs.)

123 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:12:03pm

re: #104 goddamnedfrank

I'm fixin' my bikes up.

I could use a bike...

124 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:13:04pm

re: #112 Gus 802

A public utility is no more a public entity anymore than Coca Cola is is public corporation because they sell Coke to the public.

Depends on the public utility, some were privatized and some weren't. The only reason Enron got pulled down is because the Snohomish County Public Utility District determined actual fraud had occurred and unilaterally broke their contract. Privatized districts up and down the coast were willing to pass their increased rates on to their customers, but Snohomish felt that they had an obligation to their ratepayers and took a stand.

125 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:14:14pm

re: #111 SanFranciscoZionist

I've been doing OK with Opera.

You would sing well!

126 jamesfirecat  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:14:46pm

re: #122 SanFranciscoZionist

Of course, I had one parent throw a hissy because I was having the kids read The Giver, and the characters are taking PILLS.

(The entire society is on medication to suppress their sex drives. What she focused on was that it was about PILLS. Apparently she didn't get as far as the infanticide, or the social imposition of lifetime jobs.)

The social imposition of lifetime jobs didn't seem that bad to me.

At least not in that context.

For all the things that were f***ed up about that society, they did seem to gear things toward making sure that everyone except the giver got a job that they were suited for and could be happy in.

There are worse things than being "forced" to do your dream job day in and day out.

127 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:14:59pm

re: #120 Walter L. Newton

TMI, Walter.

128 laZardo  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:15:28pm

re: #122 SanFranciscoZionist

Of course, I had one parent throw a hissy because I was having the kids read The Giver, and the characters are taking PILLS.

(The entire society is on medication to suppress their sex drives. What she focused on was that it was about PILLS. Apparently she didn't get as far as the infanticide, or the social imposition of lifetime jobs.)

Spoiler: "Release" means "Euthanasia."

Also good moarning. :D

129 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:16:01pm

re: #123 Floral Giraffe

I could use a bike...

Ah! Then you'll need the bike for $3000. Bike shoes, $300. Bike clothing, $500. Spin stand, $400. Bike carrier, $200. Bike ap for iPad, $300...

Modern Americans.

130 albusteve  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:16:22pm

re: #124 goddamnedfrank

Depends on the public utility, some were privatized and some weren't. The only reason Enron got pulled down is because the Snohomish County Public Utility District determined actual fraud had occurred and unilaterally broke their contract. Privatized districts up and down the coast were willing to pass their increased rates on to their customers, but Snohomish felt that they had an obligation to their ratepayers and took a stand.


I did not know that, thanks

131 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:17:07pm

What's the name of the movie, where the Paris Opera singer gets stalked by the kid on the moto bike? I'm blanking out on it..TIA.

132 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:17:08pm

re: #121 jamesfirecat

No. Just no.

No color, no real sense of what it means to alive... just completely sterilized society.

Not only that, but it doesn't even make sense how they manage to have fifty kids in each year when they only have three women who give birth every year. At least not unless they've got them pumped full of some major fertility drugs...

I think there are more Birthmothers than that active at any given time. There would need to be.

I find the society utterly repellent, but I've had kids defend it for various reasons, and most of them find something to admire about it, even if they say they would never want to be part of it.

I admire the book quite a bit, mainly because I couldn't figure out right up until the point where it's actually explained what is going on with the kid's vision. Also, it's a fabulous match for "Pleasantville", and lends itself nicely to a discussion of Biblical allusions.

133 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:17:10pm

re: #127 Floral Giraffe

TMI, Walter.

Nostalgic huh?

134 jamesfirecat  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:17:13pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

That's very difficult for me, WUB. I normally cannot understand what such people are feeling or thinking unless its obvious. Thus I tend to keep the interactions between me and anyone who is radically different formal and correct. I stand on ceremony and rules, using those to prevent missteps. Compared to your life, its fairly dreary, but I've come to accept it and be content with it.

Dark I'm sort of fucked up socially also and I make a lot of mistakes myself, and being the white WASPy (raised Presbyterian currently chiefly agnostic) middle class with two parents who still love each other and has gotten to live in the same home his entire life I have a pretty damn cushy life.

But social problems are no excuse for missing out on facts, and if you ask ANY non biased source they will tell you just how little of what planned parenthood does is about abortion....

135 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:17:37pm

re: #123 Floral Giraffe

I could use a bike...

You rustle up some parts and I'll build you one. Might want to have wrenchwench double check my work though, it's been a while since I did this for a living.

136 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:17:53pm

re: #129 Gus 802

I was thinking $300 Beach Cruiser. Budget kinda thing...

137 albusteve  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:18:06pm

re: #129 Gus 802

Ah! Then you'll need the bike for $3000. Bike shoes, $300. Bike clothing, $500. Spin stand, $400. Bike carrier, $200. Bike ap for iPad, $300...

Modern Americans.

$3000 for a bike?...I don't think so

138 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:18:39pm

re: #136 Floral Giraffe

I was thinking $300 Beach Cruiser. Budget kinda thing...

That'll work. Or maybe something in a 3 speed.

139 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:18:52pm

re: #137 albusteve

$3000 for a bike?...I don't think so

Too low?

/

140 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:19:39pm

re: #135 goddamnedfrank

I love the big junkyard in LA. Rustle up some parts, well, not on my own, at the junkyard. WW, might get a sale out of it, though.

141 albusteve  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:19:46pm

re: #139 Gus 802

Too low?

/

I was thinking hog or chopper...not some sissy pedal thing
my bad

142 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:20:00pm

Good night.

143 jaunte  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:20:44pm

re: #139 Gus 802

Maybe $3500: [Link: www.hemmings.com...]

144 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:22:15pm

It's Springtime, AKA Skunktime.
Rushes to close the windows.

145 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:22:22pm

re: #124 goddamnedfrank

Depends on the public utility, some were privatized and some weren't. The only reason Enron got pulled down is because the Snohomish County Public Utility District determined actual fraud had occurred and unilaterally broke their contract. Privatized districts up and down the coast were willing to pass their increased rates on to their customers, but Snohomish felt that they had an obligation to their ratepayers and took a stand.

To be fair, public districts looked the other way, too. Most people don't want to dig into a company with the kind of money Enron was thought to have. Lots of money buys people to dig up dirt on whistle-blowers or to put pressure on in the right places. So most people who might otherwise be inclined to dig refrain, deferring to the power.

146 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:23:56pm

re: #139 Gus 802

Too low?

/

Not really. Twelve years ago when I built my road bike that would have been the retail price (Ibis Spanky + Campy Record.) I paid about half that with the employee discount.

147 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:25:50pm

re: #146 goddamnedfrank

Not really. Twelve years ago when I built my road bike that would have been the retail price (Ibis Spanky + Campy Record.) I paid about half that with the employee discount.

I was kidding of course. 3 grand would be enough to get a super bike.

148 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:25:55pm

Japan finally admits the obvious:

AP: Japan ups nuke crisis severity to match Chernobyl

TOKYO – Japan's nuclear regulators raised the severity level of the crisis at a stricken nuclear plant Tuesday to rank it on par with the 1986 Chernobyl disaster, citing the amount of radiation released in the accident.

The regulators said the rating was being raised from 5 to 7 — the highest level on an international scale overseen by the International Atomic Energy Agency. However, there was no sign of any significant change at the tsunami-stricken Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant.

The new ranking signifies a "major accident" with "wider consequences" than the previous level, according to the Vienna-based IAEA.

"We have upgraded the severity level to 7 as the impact of radiation leaks has been widespread from the air, vegetables, tap water and the ocean," said Minoru Oogoda of Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency.

149 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:26:02pm

Meanwhile, Walgreens explains that they do not offer pap smears at this time.

Comments a FB friend--"So why did the clerk make me take off my pants, again?"

Comments her sister--"Because your booty is too awesome for words, and he needed to see it in all its glory."

150 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:27:34pm

re: #149 SanFranciscoZionist

Meanwhile, Walgreens explains that they do not offer pap smears at this time.

Comments a FB friend--"So why did the clerk make me take off my pants, again?"

Comments her sister--"Because your booty is too awesome for words, and he needed to see it in all its glory."

Can you imagine this country without Planned Parenthood? What a joke. I can't believe I'm reading this shit in 2011.

151 laZardo  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:27:58pm

re: #120 Walter L. Newton

Well... I can have sex and watch the weather channel at the same time!

I cannot believe such a feat is humanly possible.

152 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:28:48pm

re: #149 SanFranciscoZionist

LOL!
Flu shots, yes.
PAP smears, no!
Good luck, Wallgreens. COSTCO, too.

153 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:28:53pm

re: #144 Floral Giraffe

It's Springtime, AKA Skunktime.
Rushes to close the windows.

Maybe time for a sonic barrier to keep the skunks away. Just an idea.

154 jaunte  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:28:59pm

re: #149 SanFranciscoZionist

It's too bad one of the women in Brian Kilmeade's family can't take him down to Walgreen's for an education.

155 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:29:27pm

re: #153 Dark_Falcon

They're blowing in the wind...

156 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:30:17pm

re: #151 laZardo

I cannot believe such a feat is humanly possible.

There's a medieval manuscript illumination, a bit of marginalia I think, in which a woman is simultanously having sex and spinning wool with a drop spindle.

Early multi-tasking. Only works for some positions, though.

157 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:31:05pm

re: #147 Gus 802

I was kidding of course. 3 grand would be enough to get a super bike.

It's gotten worse. I've seen whole packs of Lance wannabe's riding $10K bikes around Saint Babs / Montecito.

158 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:31:16pm

re: #154 jaunte

It's too bad one of the women in Brian Kilmeade's family can't take him down to Walgreen's for an education.

OMG. Kilmeade is such an airhead.

159 laZardo  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:31:34pm

re: #150 Gus 802

Can you imagine this country without Planned Parenthood? What a joke. I can't believe I'm reading this shit in 2011.

At least they're not threatening to have the President excommunicated for supporting reproductive rights at all.

Yet.

160 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:31:48pm

re: #157 goddamnedfrank

It's gotten worse. I've seen whole packs of Lance wannabe's riding $10K bikes around Saint Babs / Montecito.

Eek! Do they all have an attitude?

161 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:32:38pm

re: #159 laZardo

At least they're not threatening to have the President excommunicated for supporting reproductive rights at all.

Yet.

Didn't they threaten Nancy Pelosi with that?

Shades of Notre Damegate...

162 deadletterboy  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:35:09pm

SOMEONE CALL GLENN BECK! THE COMMUNISTS HAVE TAKEN OVER THE GOOGLE LOGO! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!

So yeah, how is everyone tonight? The google logo is actually really neat.

163 laZardo  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:37:44pm

re: #162 deadletterboy

SOMEONE CALL GLENN BECK! THE COMMUNISTS HAVE TAKEN OVER THE GOOGLE LOGO! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!

So yeah, how is everyone tonight? The google logo is actually really neat.

Speaking of Communists, it's Yuri Gagarin Day.

164 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:38:20pm

re: #162 deadletterboy

SOMEONE CALL GLENN BECK! THE COMMUNISTS HAVE TAKEN OVER THE GOOGLE LOGO! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!

So yeah, how is everyone tonight? The google logo is actually really neat.

Funny to think that space exploration that would be primarily peaceful began atop what amounted to modified ICBMs.

165 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:38:21pm

re: #160 Gus 802

Eek! Do they all have an attitude?

Like you wouldn't believe. It take a hell of a lot for me to get pissed off at a cyclist, but some of these guys are the most pretentious little bastards I've ever met.

166 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:39:28pm

re: #161 Gus 802

Didn't they threaten Nancy Pelosi with that?

Shades of Notre Damegate...

Oddly, I have yet to see such posturing at Catholic officials over the death penalty.

167 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:39:39pm

re: #165 goddamnedfrank

Like you wouldn't believe. It take a hell of a lot for me to get pissed off at a cyclist, but some of these guys are the most pretentious little bastards I've ever met.

I used to see the type all the time back in the 80s. They don't ride for the joy of riding. They ride to show off.

168 deadletterboy  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:40:01pm

re: #163 laZardo

Yep. Pretty neat. I'd like to think we'll go somewhere else soon, but it's certainly not looking like it.

169 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:40:25pm

re: #162 deadletterboy

SOMEONE CALL GLENN BECK! THE COMMUNISTS HAVE TAKEN OVER THE GOOGLE LOGO! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!

So yeah, how is everyone tonight? The google logo is actually really neat.

Oh, yeah. Niiiiice.

Maybe they'll just assume the CCC visible on his helmet stands for Council of Concerned Citizens...

//

170 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:42:18pm

re: #166 SanFranciscoZionist

Oddly, I have yet to see such posturing at Catholic officials over the death penalty.

No doubt it has something to do with their definition of murder/killing. I think they're more lenient on the death penalty then they are with abortion. Well, they're not lenient with abortion of course. But the death penalty is still seen as an endeavor of the male species.

171 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:44:01pm

re: #162 deadletterboy

SOMEONE CALL GLENN BECK! THE COMMUNISTS HAVE TAKEN OVER THE GOOGLE LOGO! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!

So yeah, how is everyone tonight? The google logo is actually really neat.

I don't like it, not at all. Having the planet depicted as red? Google's idea of commemoration bothers me a lot.

172 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:44:19pm

re: #169 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, yeah. Niiice.

Maybe they'll just assume the CCC visible on his helmet stands for Council of Concerned Citizens...

//

Red is the color of the Communist Republican Party.

/

173 laZardo  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:44:26pm

re: #168 deadletterboy

Yep. Pretty neat. I'd like to think we'll go somewhere else soon, but it's certainly not looking like it.

One of my grievances of this administration - the cancellation of the moon program. ;_;

I understand the argument that we have to help out more on Earth before we expand into outer space, but the dreamers don't have to suffer for it.

Also, I don't see the new Google logo being in the Philippines (google.ph), but YouTube has its own version for the 50th Anniversary of Manned Spaceflight.

174 deadletterboy  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:44:30pm

re: #164 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I was going to make a comment about Laika, death and not getting her due, but then I realized it would make no sense and that she actually has a pretty cool statue.

175 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:44:48pm

re: #170 Gus 802

No doubt it has something to do with their definition of murder/killing. I think they're more lenient on the death penalty then they are with abortion. Well, they're not lenient with abortion of course. But the death penalty is still seen as an endeavor of the male species.

The Church opposes both, although I have heard explanations from right-wing Catholics about why abortion is REALLY bad, but there's some margin for disagreement on the death penalty. Frankly, I consider that BS. If you're gonna follow the teachings of the Church, don't take easy outs just because it will make the evangelical Protestant kids like you more.

Of course, this is really only tangentially any of my damn business...

176 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:46:04pm

re: #171 Dark_Falcon

I don't like it, not at all. Having the planet depicted as red? Google's idea of commemoration bothers me a lot.

Oh come on DF. It's red because it was the Soviets. It's representative of an accomplishments by "the reds". There's no meaning behind it. Google is a bunch of super capitalists.

177 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:46:06pm

re: #167 Gus 802

I used to see the type all the time back in the 80s. They don't ride for the joy of riding. They ride to show off.

I don't mind a show off that can actually control his ride and obey the law. A lot of my friends in Seattle were messengers who could ride circles around these punks in cheap fixies. What gets me is the jackasses who mistake money for skill and then won't take responsibility for their own fuck ups, that's Montecito.

178 jaunte  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:46:11pm

re: #171 Dark_Falcon

I think Gagarin is worth honoring for his courage; after all, he was in a position to see Soviet technology up close, but he completed the mission.

179 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:47:01pm

re: #171 Dark_Falcon

I don't like it, not at all. Having the planet depicted as red? Google's idea of commemoration bothers me a lot.

Well... Google is not just use by AMERICANS. One again, your narrow-gauge thinking totally dismisses, without question, the larger truth of the situation. Google is accessed by almost every nation on this planet, and this is simply Googles idea of multicultural marketing. You are for private business and free enterprise?

180 deadletterboy  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:47:32pm

re: #171 Dark_Falcon

I guarantee Google has run waaaaaayyyyy more US oriented doodles than those commemorating the achievements of a dead country.

181 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:47:41pm

re: #178 jaunte

I think Gagarin is worth honoring for his courage; after all, he was in a position to see Soviet technology up close, but he completed the mission.

Apparently the Sovs had some space missions that didn't go as well.

Aiyah.

182 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:48:01pm

re: #177 goddamnedfrank

I don't mind a show off that can actually control his ride and obey the law. A lot of my friends in Seattle were messengers who could ride circles around these punks in cheap fixies. What gets me is the jackasses who mistake money for skill and then won't take responsibility for their own fuck ups, that's Montecito.

Yuppies. Yeah, they've do this with everything: bicycling, Harleys, mountain climbing, even model airplanes.

183 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:49:18pm

re: #178 jaunte

I think Gagarin is worth honoring for his courage; after all, he was in a position to see Soviet technology up close, but he completed the mission.

Sadly, it was still Soviet technology, in the form of a MiG-15, that ultimately did him in.

184 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:49:52pm

re: #179 Walter L. Newton

Well... Google is not just use by AMERICANS. One again, your narrow-gauge thinking totally dismisses, without question, the larger truth of the situation. Google is accessed by almost every nation on this planet, and this is simply Googles idea of multicultural marketing. You are for private business and free enterprise?

They've got a perfect right to do it. I have a right to be bothered by it. Don't assume that because I say "I don't like it" I also think "It should be banned". That's not me Walter, I'm not that narrow.

185 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:50:51pm

re: #171 Dark_Falcon

I don't like it, not at all. Having the planet depicted as red? Google's idea of commemoration bothers me a lot.

The Cold War is over. We won.

186 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:51:00pm

re: #184 Dark_Falcon

They've got a perfect right to do it. I have a right to be bothered by it. Don't assume that because I say "I don't like it" I also think "It should be banned". That's not me Walter, I'm not that narrow.

Just the fact that you even noticed that show the narrow thinking.

187 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:51:03pm

You know what a GREAT word is?
WINK!
*wink*
Later, taters.

188 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:51:09pm

re: #183 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Sadly, it was still Soviet technology, in the form of a MiG-15, that ultimately did him in.

The MiG-15 had its good points (especially rate of climb), but in Korea our F-86 Sabres shot them down in droves.

189 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:51:30pm

re: #185 goddamnedfrank

The Cold War is over. We won.

My father mentioned that to Lenin's corpse a while back.

190 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:51:51pm

re: #189 SanFranciscoZionist

My father mentioned that to Lenin's corpse a while back.

What did he reply?

191 deadletterboy  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:52:50pm

re: #185 goddamnedfrank

The Cold War is over. We won.

Point.

192 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:54:31pm

re: #190 EmmmieG

What did he reply?

"Rub it in, why don't ya?"

193 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:54:45pm

re: #186 Walter L. Newton

Just the fact that you even noticed that show the narrow thinking.

I never would have seen it had those posts not clued me into what was in it. But because of deadletterboy and laZardo, I was scrutinizing the image and I found things I don't like. It's one man's opinion, that's all. I understand Google didn't intend any political message by it.

194 laZardo  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:54:47pm

re: #190 EmmmieG

What did he reply?

He rose up and went on a zombie rampage. "MUST. CRUSH. CAPITALISM."

/early simpsons reference

195 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:55:39pm

re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist

Apparently the Sovs had some space missions that didn't go as well.

Aiyah.

There's an old urban legend that there was a cosmonaut who flew into space before Gagarin, but was not loyal enough to hold his breath when his life support gave out, hence he never existed.

196 laZardo  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:57:12pm
197 deadletterboy  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 9:59:31pm

re: #195 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

There's an old urban legend that there was a cosmonaut who flew into space before Gagarin, but was not loyal enough to hold his breath when his life support gave out, hence he never existed.

I promise this will be the last time I bring up Laika, but it's a great song, written as part of a song challenge by Jonathan Coulton.

198 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:00:08pm
199 laZardo  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:00:54pm

re: #197 deadletterboy

I promise this will be the last time I bring up Laika, but it's a great song, written as part of a song challenge by Jonathan Coulton.

Oh, I thought you meant...

200 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:01:09pm

re: #190 EmmmieG

What did he reply?

He didn't have anything to say.

Luckily, because zombie Lenin would really have ruined my father's trip to Moscow.

201 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:01:34pm

re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist

Apparently the Sovs had some space missions that didn't go as well.

Aiyah.

Here's one (Spoiler alert: link contains open casket photograph, not everyone's cup of tea):

The space vehicle is shoddily constructed, running dangerously low on fuel; its parachutes — though no one knows this — won't work and the cosmonaut, Vladimir Komarov, is about to, literally, crash full speed into Earth, his body turning molten on impact. As he heads to his doom, U.S. listening posts in Turkey hear him crying in rage, "cursing the people who had put him inside a botched spaceship."

202 deadletterboy  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:01:42pm

re: #199 laZardo

Also a great song. In fact, the man has very few misses. And I am a huge frigging nerd.

203 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:03:12pm

re: #201 goddamnedfrank

Here's one (Spoiler alert: link contains open casket photograph, not everyone's cup of tea):

Damn. That's more than an open casket. That's a damn crispy critter. Weird.

204 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:06:20pm

re: #203 Gus 802

Damn. That's more than an open casket. That's a damn crispy critter. Weird.

Why would you open the casket? Weird, weird, weird.

Considering that they killed him with their stupid politics.

205 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:06:22pm

re: #203 Gus 802

Damn. That's more than an open casket. That's a damn crispy critter. Weird.

They couldn't close that lid, it would have crush that mess of carbon.

206 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:07:29pm

re: #201 goddamnedfrank

Here's one (Spoiler alert: link contains open casket photograph, not everyone's cup of tea):

Nasty stuff. I'm not going to click the link, because I'm going to bed soon. Not something I want to see right now. Thank you for the warning.

207 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:09:46pm

re: #204 EmmmieG

Why would you open the casket? Weird, weird, weird.

Considering that they killed him with their stupid politics.

The open casket and picture don't bother me so much as the fact that they kept it secret for so long. I mean if you're going to visit that kind of indignity on a person you'd hope that there would be some educational purpose or value to the whole fucked up operation.

208 jaunte  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:11:06pm

Goodnight all.

209 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:11:31pm

On a lighter note, Fred Small did a fantastic song to the tune of "Charlie on the MTA" called "Sergei in the Milky Way", about Sergei Krikalyov, the cosmonaut who ended up stranded in space when the Soviet Union dissolved.

He was shot into orbit by the Soviet Union,
A nation he was proud to call home,
When he got up there nothing was left but squabbling republics,
Sergei's trapped in the Twilight Zone.

And did he ever return?No he never returned,
And his fate is still unlearned, (Poor old Sergei)
He may orbit forever round this crazy mixed-up planet,
He's the cosmonaut who never returned.

210 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:12:58pm

re: #207 goddamnedfrank

The open casket and picture don't bother me so much as the fact that they kept it secret for so long. I mean if you're going to visit that kind of indignity on a person you'd hope that there would be some educational purpose or value to the whole fucked up operation.

That went against Soviet state policy, which stated "Any screw-up didn't happen, any person responsible/involved in said screw-up never existed, and Soviet supremacy is always assured." Remember, this is the state that gave us the floating nuclear accident.

211 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:14:59pm

re: #207 goddamnedfrank

The open casket and picture don't bother me so much as the fact that they kept it secret for so long. I mean if you're going to visit that kind of indignity on a person you'd hope that there would be some educational purpose or value to the whole fucked up operation.

Not the Soviet way. They were pathological about covering stuff up.

212 Winny Spencer  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:16:08pm

So Mitt has formed an exploratory committee.

Good news.

213 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:16:13pm

re: #210 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That went against Soviet state policy, which stated "Any screw-up didn't happen, any person responsible/involved in said screw-up never existed, and Soviet supremacy is always assured." Remember, this is the state that gave us the floating nuclear accident.

Any other fans here of "Goodbye, Lenin"?

214 laZardo  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:17:17pm

re: #209 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, actually, he did.

215 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:19:02pm

Shit happens. And if you're in space flight or test flight shit happens even more from time to time. The actual record of the USA, Russia, and the former Soviet Union is actually pretty good considering the tasks at hand. Probably quantifiably safer than other human endeavors like mountain climbing. Test flight is safer than it ever has been. The Soviets always covered things up so that was a given. There was no rampant safety problem with the Soviet space program and their safety record was overall pretty good.

216 Amory Blaine  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:21:10pm

Nothing comes from the creator. Certainly not liberty. The Constitution was created by men. Maybe a shout out to a creator, but only a shout out none the less.

217 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:21:31pm

On his way back in, Leonov's spacesuit inflated due to the vacuum of space, which, apparently, the guys who designed the suit had never heard of.

218 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:23:06pm

re: #212 Winny Spencer

So Mitt has formed an exploratory committee.

Good news.

One wonders what he's going to learn with his exploratory committee?

(I suspect the first question is: Can I get other people to give me money this time?)

219 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:23:37pm

Pavel Belyayev, the guy who had to land the thing manually, asked Leonov to check their altitude. That little move cost them time, which cost them landing accuracy, which meant they were forced to land 800 miles off course in a part of the Ural Mountains so forested that no helicopters could land to rescue them. They literally had to chop wood for a fire and fend off wolves for two days while they waited for their rescuers, who eventually arrived on skis. The only way Voskhod 2 could have gone any worse would have been if Dan Aykroyd and Chevy Chase were the ones sent for the rescue.

220 deadletterboy  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:24:25pm

re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist

Wait, wasn't that the plot of Stripes?

221 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:25:19pm

re: #218 EmmmieG

One wonders what he's going to learn with his exploratory committee?

(I suspect the first question is: Can I get other people to give me money this time?)

Second question: Can anyone lend me their charisma until next November?

222 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:26:00pm

re: #210 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That went against Soviet state policy, which stated "Any screw-up didn't happen, any person responsible/involved in said screw-up never existed, and Soviet supremacy is always assured." Remember, this is the state that gave us the floating nuclear accident.

Indeed. The other part of that was that they pushed out flawed ships long after those ships had been surpassed. It was only late in the game that they started turning out subs that were of real quality.

223 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:26:06pm

re: #215 Gus 802

Shit happens. And if you're in space flight or test flight shit happens even more from time to time. The actual record of the USA, Russia, and the former Soviet Union is actually pretty good considering the tasks at hand. Probably quantifiably safer than other human endeavors like mountain climbing. Test flight is safer than it ever has been. The Soviets always covered things up so that was a given. There was no rampant safety problem with the Soviet space program and their safety record was overall pretty good.

I'm not so sure I would lump those together.

Especially when you consider that Komarov KNEW he was going to die when he went up, and only did it to save Gagarin.

224 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:28:35pm

NEED TO KNOW | An actor's life: Israeli-Palestinian theater advocate murdered | PBS

Juliano Mer-Khamis (Hebrew: ג'וליאנו מֵר חמיס‎‎, Arabic: جوليانو مير خميس‎; ‎29 May 1958 – 4 April 2011) was an Israeli actor, director, filmmaker and political activist of Jewish and Christian Arab parentage. On April 4 2011, he was assassinated by a masked gunman in the Palestinian city of Jenin, where he established the Freedom Theatre...

Based on the testimony of an eyewitness, Palestinian police have charged Mujahed Qaniri, from Jenin's refugee camp, with having carried out the murder. There are varying accounts of Qamiri's affiliation, some describe him as a former member of the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades who defected to Hamas, but a Hamas spokesman has denied any involvement, describing this as a purely criminal incident.

225 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:29:54pm

re: #222 Dark_Falcon

Indeed. The other part of that was that they pushed out flawed ships long after those ships had been surpassed. It was only late in the game that they started turning out subs that were of real quality.

That was because, early in the game, they believed in "quantity having a quality all of its own." Didn't matter if your attack subs, guided missile subs, and ballistic missile subs were noisy as hell, so long as you had enough of them to overwhelm their NATO counterparts. Then they started putting their spy network to good use and got tech to help them with the next wave of subs, but they were also so unreliable that they were more dangerous to their crews than they were to us.

226 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:31:15pm

re: #223 EmmmieG

I'm not so sure I would lump those together.

Especially when you consider that Komarov KNEW he was going to die when he went up, and only did it to save Gagarin.

And Gus Grissom knew that the Apollo 1 CM was a piece of shit.

227 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:35:02pm

re: #226 Gus 802

And Gus Grissom knew that the Apollo 1 CM was a piece of shit.

Link? Up above they link to Gagarin and Komarov trying desperately to get the mission canceled and outlining what was wrong with it.

228 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:37:43pm

re: #227 EmmmieG

Link? Up above they link to Gagarin and Komarov trying desperately to get the mission canceled and outlining what was wrong with it.

It's common knowledge regarding Grissom's feelings about the CM. I can look it up but won't right now. I really don't understand why Americans are bringing up Komarov on the date of the 50th anniversary of Gagarin's flight.

229 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:37:53pm

Goodnight, all.

230 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:39:27pm

Well, I've found a website that lists his feeling that he didn't think that the Apollo program would succeed, but it's also positing that he was murdered on purpose by NASA, which lowers the believability a bit.

231 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:39:37pm

re: #226 Gus 802

And Gus Grissom knew that the Apollo 1 CM was a piece of shit.

And that was after he nearly got killed after the hatch blew on Liberty Bell 7, which NASA still maintains to this day was his fault, despite plenty of evidence to the contrary.

232 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:42:53pm

re: #211 SanFranciscoZionist

Not the Soviet way. They were pathological about covering stuff up.

More than a few parallels to the Tillman story, the coverup, the attempt to lean on his wife to violate his express written will against a military funeral. We're a lot more open than the Soviets were, but definitely not above trying to force the narrative.

233 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:44:18pm

re: #231 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And that was after he nearly got killed after the hatch blew on Liberty Bell 7, which NASA still maintains to this day was his fault, despite plenty of evidence to the contrary.

Looking at the NASA site. They are very carefully not saying what caused the hatch to blow, just that it went off early.

(Apparently he would have had a bruise if he had set it off, and he didn't have one.)

234 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:46:54pm

re: #228 Gus 802

It's common knowledge regarding Grissom's feelings about the CM. I can look it up but won't right now. I really don't understand why Americans are bringing up Komarov on the date of the 50th anniversary of Gagarin's flight.

General cosmonaut knowledge?

I'm sure Gagarin would have agreed that Komarov deserved some of the glory. Raise a glass!

235 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:47:17pm

re: #230 EmmmieG

Well, I've found a website that lists his feeling that he didn't think that the Apollo program would succeed, but it's also positing that he was murdered on purpose by NASA, which lowers the believability a bit.

Well, you'll find a lot of conspiracies surrounding this. And it wasn't that he thought it wouldn't succeed. It's just that the first command module was poorly built. He also hung a lemon on the simulator because they didn't keep up with the design changes on the actual command module. Or another account...

Gus was packing his things and getting ready to leave for Cape Kennedy. Betty Grissom wrote in her book Starfall that her husband “went out in the courtyard and pulled a lemon off our tree. It was a Texas lemon, really as big as a grapefruit. ‘What are you going to do with the lemon?’ Betty asked. ‘I’m going to hang it on that spacecraft,’ Gus said grimly and kissed her good-bye.” Unknown to both of them, this would be the last time they saw each other.

236 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:49:06pm

re: #235 Gus 802

Well, you'll find a lot of conspiracies surrounding this. And it wasn't that he thought it wouldn't succeed. It's just that the first command module was poorly built. He also hung a lemon on the simulator because they didn't keep up with the design changes on the actual command module. Or another account...

And yes it continues...

For historical sake, it should be known that American Indians would hang lemons on trees because they supposedly warded off evil sprits. The American Indians considered lemons to be an unappealing and very sour fruit. Why Gus Grissom wanted to hang a lemon over the side of his spacecraft was beyond anyone’s knowledge. Even if you know nothing about lemons warding off evil spirits, it just doesn’t seem right to hang one off the side of a spacecraft, much less anything else. It’s almost like a bad omen or a preface of horrible things to come at a later time.

237 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:49:31pm

re: #232 goddamnedfrank

More than a few parallels to the Tillman story, the coverup, the attempt to lean on his wife to violate his express written will against a military funeral. We're a lot more open than the Soviets were, but definitely not above trying to force the narrative.

All governments will lie about some stuff. The Soviets took it to a fairly intense extreme.

238 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:50:06pm

re: #232 goddamnedfrank

More than a few parallels to the Tillman story, the coverup, the attempt to lean on his wife to violate his express written will against a military funeral. We're a lot more open than the Soviets were, but definitely not above trying to force the narrative.

Tillman thing is infuriating on several different levels.

239 laZardo  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:52:13pm

re: #234 SanFranciscoZionist

General cosmonaut knowledge?

I'm sure Gagarin would have agreed that Komarov deserved some of the glory. Raise a glass!

To the most epic bromance in Soviet aeronautic history.

240 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:52:20pm

re: #236 Gus 802

And yes it continues...

Lemons aren't indigenous to the Americas. They were introduced by the Spanish.

Why in God's name would Native Americans develop a habit of hanging lemons off of non-lemon trees...

241 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:52:56pm

re: #240 SanFranciscoZionist

Lemons aren't indigenous to the Americas. They were introduced by the Spanish.

Why in God's name would Native Americans develop a habit of hanging lemons off of non-lemon trees...

The plot thickens!

Got me.

242 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:53:34pm

re: #233 EmmmieG

Looking at the NASA site. They are very carefully not saying what caused the hatch to blow, just that it went off early.

(Apparently he would have had a bruise if he had set it off, and he didn't have one.)

NASA never directly accused Grissom of blowing the hatch, just ruled that design failure was "unlikely," hence why they put a hatch on the Apollo Block 1 CM that took 20 minutes to open.

243 Usually refered to as anyways  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:55:46pm

OT RIP.

Drone kills US troops: officials

A drone missile strike killed a US Marine and a Navy corpsman by mistake in Afghanistan last week, US defence officials said.

The military has launched a probe into what appeared to be a "friendly fire" incident in the southern province of Helmand, US officials said.

Officials said it was possible the missile strike marked the first time US troops had been killed by an unmanned aircraft in a case of friendly fire.

Fighter jets and combat helicopters are usually called in to provide close air support for coalition troops pinned down by insurgent fire, while drones tend to be used for manhunts targeting Taliban figures.

The strike claimed the lives of Navy Seaman Benjamin Rast, 23, of Niles, Michigan, and Staff Sergeant Jeremy Smith, 26, of Arlington, Texas, officials said.

More...

244 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 10:59:38pm

re: #240 SanFranciscoZionist

Lemons aren't indigenous to the Americas. They were introduced by the Spanish.

Why in God's name would Native Americans develop a habit of hanging lemons off of non-lemon trees...

They were really hanging potatoes that they painted yellow?

245 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 11:00:59pm

G'nite. And for pity's sake, don't get into a vehicle you don't trust.

246 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 11:01:04pm

re: #238 SanFranciscoZionist

Tillman thing is infuriating on several different levels.

In The Tillman Story his brother has a good line about how crazy it was that their father's letter had the effect that it did. He talks about how their mother did so much research and work and been ignored for so long, and if she'd known that all she had to do was tell someone to go fuck themselves she surely would have.

247 laZardo  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 11:01:06pm

re: #240 SanFranciscoZionist

Lemons aren't indigenous to the Americas. They were introduced by the Spanish.

Why in God's name would Native Americans develop a habit of hanging lemons off of non-lemon trees...

To make lemonade?

/as the proverb goes

248 Gus  Mon, Apr 11, 2011 11:28:19pm

Later.

249 boxhead  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 12:04:36am

Ron Paul and all these paternalistic freaks can bite my shiny metal ass. The debate about when a unborn human has rights is something that requires honest and sensitive debate. We all know this. Trying to deny a women's right to privacy or forcing a women to follow some unacceptable (IMHO) belief structure is beyond reason. These Righties strive to act like the uncompromising desert folks we all know and.... *comment left out for civility sake*

The quote I heard that I love is that if men were the ones becoming pregnant, then abortions would be as available as ice cream from a roving truck...

250 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 1:51:57am

re: #107 jamesfirecat

Fair enough, though at the moment we can't all be mermaids

I know all about the weta mermaid and it's honestly one of the most touching and awesome stories I've ever heard

251 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 2:01:01am

re: #245 EmmmieG

G'nite. And for pity's sake, don't get into a vehicle you don't trust.

respect to this

252 laZardo  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 3:54:02am

re: #249 boxhead

The quote I heard that I love is that if men were the ones becoming pregnant, then abortions would be as available as ice cream from a roving truck...

Either that or the anime fangirls would be the new pro-life crowd.

Don't ask. It's their fetish.

253 freetoken  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 4:05:38am

Photos from the tsunami hit areas around Fukushima, abandoned because of radiation:

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Warning: dead bodies, human and otherwise.

254 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 4:45:27am

re: #201 goddamnedfrank

Here's one (Spoiler alert: link contains open casket photograph, not everyone's cup of tea):

Holy shit.
That's a person in that casket?!
Holy shit.

255 freetoken  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 4:45:59am

This film maker has found a gold mine:


Filmmaker says he has Crucifixion nails

Simcha Jacobovici, a Canadian-Jewish filmmaker said he has two ancient nails found at an archaeological dig in Jerusalem he says were used to crucify Jesus.

Details of the discovery have been recorded in a documentary film by Jacobovici called "The Nails of the Cross" to be broadcast in the United States April 20 [...]

Jacobovici is convinced the nails were used to crucify Jesus Christ and in his film sets about attempting to prove his theory.

In a small forest near the Jerusalem neighborhood of Abu Tor, a pipe marks the site of a burial cave discovered by chance when a new road was dug in 1990, Haaretz said.

Excavations at the site revealed two ossuaries containing bones. One of the vessels was inscribed with the name Caiaphas and the second Joseph son of Caiaphas, the newspaper said. Other artifacts found inside the burial cave included coins, a perfume bottle and two rusty nails which Jacobovici said he believes were used to crucify Jesus Christ.

Jacobovici said it was Caiaphas who gave Jesus Christ up to the Romans, noting he was the High Priest during the time Jesus was crucified. It is possible the nails were buried with him as a talisman to accompany him in the next world, the newspaper said.

Gee, maybe I should go to Israel and find some 2000 year old wood to dig up. I could make millions off the WND crowd.

256 researchok  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 4:58:17am

Morning, all

257 researchok  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 5:01:07am

re: #255 freetoken

This film maker has found a gold mine:

Filmmaker says he has Crucifixion nails

Gee, maybe I should go to Israel and find some 2000 year old wood to dig up. I could make millions off the WND crowd.

You gotta give the guy credit. He knows the PR business.

In any event, there are some really stale, old loves of bread I can get my hands on...

258 researchok  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 5:07:29am

re: #253 freetoken

Photos from the tsunami hit areas around Fukushima, abandoned because of radiation:

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Warning: dead bodies, human and otherwise.

Haunting

260 Lidane  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 6:13:57am

re: #255 freetoken

This film maker has found a gold mine:

Filmmaker says he has Crucifixion nails

LOL forever. As if he's the first person to claim that. Apparently, the Romans really went out of their way to make sure Jesus wasn't coming down from the cross, since there are several religious relics dating back centuries that were supposedly the crucifixion nails.

261 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 6:27:39am

re: #259 Alouette

The Winklevi should take their $65 million and shut up.

If they don't want it they can give it to me.

262 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 6:33:28am
263 zora  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 6:39:12am

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

On MSNBC’s Hardball with Chris Matthews today, former Senator Alan Simpson (R-WY), co-chair of President Obama’s debt commission, railed against the social conservatives in the Republican party.

SIMPSON: Who the hell is for abortion? I don’t know anybody running around with a sign that says, “Have an abortion! They’re wonderful!” They’re hideous, but they’re a deeply intimate and personal decision, and I don’t think men legislators should even vote on the issue.

Then you’ve got homosexuality, you’ve got Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. We have homophobes on our party. That’s disgusting to me. We’re all human beings. We’re all God’s children. Now if they’re going to get off on that stuff—Santorum has said some cruel things—cruel, cruel things—about homosexuals. Ask him about it; see if he attributes the cruelness of his remarks years ago. Foul.

Now if that’s the kind of guys that are going to be on my ticket, you know, it makes you sort out hard what Reagan said, you know, “Stick with your folks.” But, I’m not sticking with people who are homophobic, anti-women, moral values—while you’re diddling your secretary while you’re giving a speech on moral values? Come on, get off of it.

264 darthstar  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 7:00:32am

re: #262 Varek Raith

Fox Nation Promotes Theory That Obama May Have Had "Brain Surgery"

Lol, this is so stupid.

So THAT'S where he hides his birth certificate...
///

265 allegro  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 7:01:30am

re: #263 zora

Here's the latest from Santorum: (h/t PZ Myers who has some pointed comments)

Little Ricky Santorum on how healthcare reform will "addict" Americans to using healthcare services, which will make the Baby Jesus cry. Or something:

Former Pennsylvania Senator and likely presidential candidate Rick Santroum continues court Republican activists around the country, and yesterday addressed a GOP fundraiser in Colorado. Santorum, who previously claimed that the recently passed health care reform law intends to “addict Americans on government healthcare,” not only likened guaranteed health insurance to drug dealing but also said that it would have grave spiritual implications. He went on to say that there is “statistical proof” of American exceptionalism and that Republicans must be “ready to battle for America’s soul”

According to Ricky, this is the danger of adequate health care for all Americans:

“Think about how they view you,” he told the crowd of Republicans. “They view you no different than the drug dealer views the little kid in the school yard. They want to get you hooked, they want to get you dependent. They want to get you relying upon them for your wellbeing. And once they’ve satisfied you, giving them that drug, that narcotic, then you’ll be reliant on them and, by the way, you’ll also be less than what God created you to be.”

If there is a bigger slime bucket than this addled douchewad, I don't wanna meet it.

266 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 7:04:24am

re: #255 freetoken

This film maker has found a gold mine:

Filmmaker says he has Crucifixion nails

Gee, maybe I should go to Israel and find some 2000 year old wood to dig up. I could make millions off the WND crowd.

Scams like that come crawling out of the woodwork every year at Easter. The other one this year is the fake "lead codices" that were supposedly the earliest christian books.

267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 7:16:20am

re: #266 wlewisiii

They were fake? I saw them in the news but didn't think about them further. (or is that farther?)

268 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 7:17:14am
269 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 7:20:44am

re: #267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They were fake? I saw them in the news but didn't think about them further. (or is that farther?)

[Link: gracerector.wordpress.com...]

270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 7:22:40am

re: #268 Killgore Trout
Just when you think it can't get any worse. You find out it is.

271 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 7:23:17am

re: #269 wlewisiii

[Link: gracerector.wordpress.com...]

The other one I saw recently was a pic of jesus they found in the middle of the desert and didn't James Cameron claim to have found Jesus' coffin awhile back?

272 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 7:26:14am

re: #271 RogueOne

The other one I saw recently was a pic of jesus they found in the middle of the desert and didn't James Cameron claim to have found Jesus' coffin awhile back?

Image: bread_jesus.jpg

273 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 7:27:36am

re: #268 Killgore Trout

The seven point INES rates nuclear emergencies based on how far the radiation has spread beyond containment. With Fukushima, while each of the 4 damaged reactors are individually rated as level 5 emergencies, the combined situation rates a 7 - due to the complexities of dealing with containment, the spread of radiation outside containment facilities, and the immediate region.

274 Petero1818  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 7:28:52am

I just don't believe this quasi libertarian argument. He knows he can't get the GOP nod unless he takes a strong anti choice position. His argument needs to be tested. Should the government charge pregnant women who smoke with a crime? what about pregnant women who drink? or those that eat too much fast food? Let's see how far this "protection of life" libertarian idea goes. And why, as others here have posted, does this protection of life seem to end at birth.

275 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 7:29:02am

re: #271 RogueOne

I don't care if it rains or freezes...

276 kirkspencer  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 7:30:10am

re: #275 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't care if it rains or freezes...

One word:...

277 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 7:35:35am

Court: State must prove Oregon drug dog reliability
[Link: www.kmtr.com...]


PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — In a pair of cases involving routine traffic stops, the Oregon Supreme Court has ruled that prosecutors must prove the reliability of a drug detection dog when a police officer relies on the dog to conduct a search without a warrant.

The court ruled Thursday that several factors must be weighed to determine reliability, including training and certification.

In one case, the court upheld the Yamhill County conviction of a man arrested after a dog led officers to a pipe with methamphetamine residue inside a car. In the companion case, the court ruled the dog was not proven to be reliable and overturned an Umatilla County trial court.

If they ever get around to reading this study they'll have to toss them all out:
[Link: www.independentcollegian.com...]


A study published in the January issue of the journal Animal Cognition concludes that the use of dogs to detect the scent of drugs and/or explosives may be as unreliable as the mathematical powers of the famed horse. With a carefully controlled experiment, it showed that not only are false alarms common — more than 200 occurred in this test alone, yet no drugs or explosives were present — but that they are much more likely when the law enforcement officer believes there are illegal substances present.
278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 7:39:19am

re: #262 Varek Raith

Ah geeze. I might vote for the guy just to spite them.

279 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 7:41:34am

re: #263 zora

I guess it is easier to be brave and honest when you have the word "Former" attached to your political position.

If only Mitt would come out and say something like that.

It's what I would say.

I am un-fucking-electable.

280 The Yankee  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 7:42:57am

re: #255 freetoken


Where is the follow up to the whole, "we found Noah's Ark but we are not going to tell you where thing" that Fox news was pushing about a year ago? They should be more mad about this kind of stuff then they are about Obama and where he was born.

I mean if someone said they found 5000 year old meatball or some invisible pink unicorn fur and then never came through with it I would be more insanely mad about that then any silly politics that has to do with my tiny insignificant time I have in this realm of reality.

281 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 7:44:38am

re: #263 zora

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

On MSNBC’s Hardball with Chris Matthews today, former Senator Alan Simpson (R-WY), co-chair of President Obama’s debt commission, railed against the social conservatives in the Republican party.

I agree with his overall sentiment but he might want to be careful about saying "men shouldn't vote" on certain issues. Not only does it to all sorts of very bad arguments but according to Gallup more women than men believe abortion should be illegal in all cases.

282 The Yankee  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 7:44:53am

re: #279 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I guess it is easier to be brave and honest when you have the word "Former" attached to your political position.

If only Mitt would come out and say something like that.

It's what I would say.

I am un-fucking-electable.

America likes their elected official 1 dimensional.
Why I also wish there was a federal law outlawing states from electing Judges and maybe Sheriffs. DAs are another thing I think though.

283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 7:47:40am

re: #282 The Yankee

I've been trying to remember a fiction book I read recently about a political machine getting their guy into the Judge's chair for a specific case.

Don't remember the Author or the name of the book.

Makes it hard to find.

284 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 7:50:19am

re: #279 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I guess it is easier to be brave and honest when you have the word "Former" attached to your political position.

If only Mitt would come out and say something like that.

It's what I would say.

I am un-fucking-electable.

Daniels has said repeatedly that we have bigger issues to discuss than picking social fights. He's said it nationally and he's been saying it locally for years:

Daniels must run before it becomes the Goofy Old Party
[Link: www.indystar.com...]


Recently, I wrote two columns about the many reasons that Daniels both should and should not run for president. The idea that Bachmann is even being mentioned as a serious candidate for the GOP nomination outweighs every other point on those lists.

In 2004, during his first campaign for governor, I spent many nights watching Daniels speak at county Republican dinners. After 16 years of Democratic control of the governor's office, the GOP faithful was energized. But night after night I saw Daniels step to the podium and decline requests that he offer a speech filled with partisan red meat. Rather, he talked about serious issues and the need to run a higher-caliber campaign.

Donald Trump recently went on TV to rant about Obama's birth certificate. And he finds himself running a close second among the lineup of Republican presidential candidates.

It's indisputable: Mitch Daniels needs to run for president.

285 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 7:53:09am

re: #284 RogueOne

Daniels has said repeatedly that we have bigger issues to discuss than picking social fights. He's said it nationally and he's been saying it locally for years:

Daniels must run before it becomes the Goofy Old Party
[Link: www.indystar.com...]

It's too late. The inmates are in control of the asylum.

286 laZardo  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 7:54:42am

re: #284 RogueOne

Before? A bit too late for that, unfortunately.

287 kirkspencer  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 7:58:58am

re: #282 The Yankee

America likes their elected official 1 dimensional.
Why I also wish there was a federal law outlawing states from electing Judges and maybe Sheriffs. DAs are another thing I think though.

It's a trade-off. The downside of the appointed position can be seen by looking at the US Supreme Court, or for that matter the judges still pending approval but blocked by threat of filibuster and other idiocies. ALL systems are subject to abuse.

288 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 7:59:06am

re: #285 Alouette

It's too late. The inmates are in control of the asylum.

I don't think it's too late yet. They're always in control of the primaries but I don't think they're all as highly partisan when it comes to voting. They nominated McCain "The Maverick", Bush in '00 with his "compassionate conservative" meme and thus far Romney is the front-runner. They'll vote for a candidate they think he can win and beating Obama is their first priority.

289 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 7:59:56am

re: #284 RogueOne

Unfortunately, Daniels doesn't believe in AGW. So even though he's very much one of the most sensible people in the GOP right now, that pretty much just shows how extremist and anti-science they've become. Even one of the most rational can't manage to face that challenge.

290 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:06:55am

re: #289 Obdicut

He wasn't in favor of cap and trade, is that what you're referencing?

291 darthstar  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:07:28am
292 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:08:47am

re: #291 darthstar

A grill spatula? You can't grill babies, they're too tender. You have to smoke them.

293 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:08:52am

re: #291 darthstar

Jeff Dahmer's dishwasher?

294 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:08:59am

re: #290 RogueOne

Nope. I'm referencing the fact that he's said that climate change science is 'dubious', and that we can't afford to fix the climate. He said he's 'agnostic' about AGW.

And he said this piece of nonsense:

"I don’t know if the CO2 zealots are right,” he said. “But I don’t care, because we can’t afford to do what they want to do. Unless you want to go broke, in which case the world isn’t going to be any greener. Poor nations are never green.”

Which is one of the most bafflingly stupid things I've ever heard a supposedly intelligent person say about AGW. If the CO2 'zealots' are right-- which they are-- we can't afford to not do what they want to do. Otherwise, our economy will die.

295 Four More Tears  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:09:12am

re: #291 darthstar

Discuss

Taken from the dishwasher of the Planned Parenthood cafeteria?

296 The Yankee  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:09:35am

re: #288 RogueOne

I don't think it's too late yet. They're always in control of the primaries but I don't think they're all as highly partisan when it comes to voting. They nominated McCain "The Maverick", Bush in '00 with his "compassionate conservative" meme and thus far Romney is the front-runner. They'll vote for a candidate they think he can win and beating Obama is their first priority.

I don't know how many votes it takes to control the debate during primaries (with this number of candidates). But I am sure The Tea Baggers have it. And even if they don't Fox tell everyone that The Tea Baggers do, because they are the only people I have yet to see Fox criticize even slightly.

297 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:09:54am

re: #292 RogueOne

A grill spatula? You can't grill babies, they're too tender. You have to smoke them.

Tastes like veal.

298 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:10:01am

Video: Gaza rockets fired from civilian centers

Videos uploaded to the World Wide Web by members of Izz al-Din al-Qassam, Hamas' military wing, show the firing of rockets from civilian centers in the Gaza Strip thereby confirming IDF claims.

The videos clearly show Qassam rockets being fired from civilian centers such as mosques and near civilian vehicles.

Gaza terror cells choose to fire from urban areas knowing that the Israel Defense Forces refrain from intercepting them for fear of hurting civilians. The killing of civilians in Gaza also serves the terrorists' purposes who claim Israel is committing war crimes in Gaza.

So busted.

299 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:10:30am
300 darthstar  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:10:56am

re: #295 JasonA

Taken from the dishwasher of the Planned Parenthood cafeteria?

WIN

301 SpaceJesus  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:11:30am

lol @ drudge right now

302 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:11:41am

re: #295 JasonA

I'm laughing, but admit, I am afraid to ding.

303 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:11:44am

re: #298 NJDhockeyfan

I love how they can't stop from bragging, showing off these videos even though it shows them to be the murderous, hateful scum that they are.

304 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:12:53am

re: #298 NJDhockeyfan

Video: Gaza rockets fired from civilian centers

So busted.

Damn, I can't get the video to work.

305 darthstar  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:13:02am

re: #302 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm laughing, but admit, I am afraid to ding.

It's from a rather eclectic childhood friend of mine's dishwasher. I had to steal it. Jason's response is priceless.

306 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:13:05am

re: #294 Obdicut

Nope. I'm referencing the fact that he's said that climate change science is 'dubious', and that we can't afford to fix the climate. He said he's 'agnostic' about AGW.

And he said this piece of nonsense:

Which is one of the most bafflingly stupid things I've ever heard a supposedly intelligent person say about AGW. If the CO2 'zealots' are right-- which they are-- we can't afford to not do what they want to do. Otherwise, our economy will die.

We can't afford to destroy that asteroid before it hits the Earth.
We'll go broke!

307 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:14:10am

re: #306 Varek Raith

We can't afford to destroy that asteroid before it hits the Earth.
We'll go broke!

Seen it!

308 darthstar  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:14:42am

re: #304 Killgore Trout

Damn, I can't get the video to work.

Try this one

309 Four More Tears  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:15:50am

re: #305 darthstar

It's from a rather eclectic childhood friend of mine's dishwasher. I had to steal it. Jason's response is priceless.

You have any better ideas to hide the evidence for the rest of that 87%?

310 Petero1818  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:16:01am

re: #298 NJDhockeyfan

Video: Gaza rockets fired from civilian centers

So busted.

There are tons of videos showing the same over the last many years. It doesn't seem to matter to those that only eek to criticize Israel.

311 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:16:37am

re: #304 Killgore Trout

Damn, I can't get the video to work.

It first shows two rockets fired from a vacant lot right next to a building, with a car parked nearby.

Then it shows a series of rockets fired from a park or a garden that's a block away from a mosque, with buildings all around. A very urban area where if the IDF was off by a hundred feet they could easily kill civilians.

It's Hamas putting the lives of Palestinians on the line in order to continue their pointless attempt to kill Jews.

312 darthstar  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:17:20am

re: #293 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Jeff Dahmer's dishwasher?

re: #302 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm laughing, but admit, I am afraid to ding.

Hang on just one freakin' minute, FBV...you make a Dahmer joke and are afraid to upding a Planned Parenthood one? Two minutes in the penalty box!

313 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:17:24am

Iceland's Penis Museum Gets Old Man's Pickled Peen

The Icelandic Phallological Museum is getting its first real human penis soon, after the death of 95-year-old Pall Arason, a friend of the museum's curator who agreed to donate his well-traveled dick some years ago. From the AP:

Sigurdur Hjartarson, who runs the Phallological Museum in the tiny Icelandic fishing town of Husavik, says Arason's organ will help complete his extensive collection of whale, seal, bear, and other mammalian members.

A 95-year-old penis. Yuck. Arason's penis is set to become the museum's main attraction.

Gawker.
And yes, I am immature enough to find this funny.

314 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:18:04am

re: #294 Obdicut

That doesn't show he doesn't believe in AGW, His point was it doesn't really matter. He was talking about cap and trade which is bi-partisanly unpopular.

Here's his piece:
[Link: online.wsj.com...]


No one in Indiana is arguing for the status quo: Hoosiers have been eager to pursue a new energy future. We rocketed from nowhere to national leadership in biofuels production in the last four years. We were the No. 1 state in the growth of wind power in 2008. And we have embarked on an aggressive energy-conservation program, indubitably the most cost-effective means of limiting CO2.

That's hardly strident anti-AGW. Couple it with rising energy prices and $5/gal for gas and it's a winning argument.

315 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:18:33am

re: #313 iceweasel

Iceland's Penis Museum Gets Old Man's Pickled Peen

Gawker.
And yes, I am immature enough to find this funny.

So am I LOL.

316 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:19:19am

re: #295 JasonA

Taken from the dishwasher of the Planned Parenthood cafeteria?

Win!

317 Gus  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:20:18am

re: #295 JasonA

Taken from the dishwasher of the Planned Parenthood cafeteria?

Is that you Jon Kyl?

318 iossarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:21:14am

re: #317 Gus 802

Is that you Jon Kyl?

97% of Planned Parenthood lunch menus feature human flesh.

319 iossarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:21:43am

re: #318 iossarian

97% of Planned Parenthood lunch menus feature human flesh.

Note, I did not intend this to be a "factual statement of fact".

320 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:21:55am

re: #314 RogueOne

That doesn't show he doesn't believe in AGW.

He's flat-out stated that he's 'agnostic' about it. And calls reasonable scientists warning about the danger of AGW 'CO2 zealots'.

Please.

That's hardly strident anti-AGW.

Yep. He's one of the best out of the lot, but he still absolutely sucks on the subject of AGW. Only Huntsman actually has either the intelligence or the balls to unequivocally state that AGW is happening and we need to address it.

Too bad. The GOP is hard to take seriously as a party when their main science plank is "Let's ignore the scientists."

321 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:21:58am
322 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:22:02am

re: #318 iossarian

97% of Planned Parenthood lunch menus feature human flesh.

More real meat than taco bell

323 darthstar  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:22:29am

Okay, time to get to work...play nice, everyone.

324 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:23:36am

re: #301 SpaceJesus

lol @ drudge right now

That video has been going around for the last week. I didn't watch it until today when someone pointed out they said they were going to drug test her at the end.

325 iossarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:23:47am
"I don’t know if the CO2 zealots are right,” he said. “But I don’t care, because we can’t afford to do what they want to do. Unless you want to go broke, in which case the world isn’t going to be any greener. Poor nations are never green.”

I believe that our per-capita CO2 emissions are far higher than those of most (all?) poor countries.

326 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:25:07am

re: #321 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

As ordered by federal law...

Hadn't seen that clip in years. Thanks. :)

327 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:25:24am

AOL, Arianna Huffington Hit with Class Action Suit
[Link: blogs.forbes.com...]

This story reminds me I got an email yesterday about a class-action suit over Madden games. Anyone else play and get one?

328 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:26:06am

re: #325 iossarian


Yep.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

329 Gus  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:26:40am

re: #301 SpaceJesus

lol @ drudge right now

I see. He links to some video hosted by some crazy NWO/Alex Jones conspiracy nut. Drudge is such a dweeb.

330 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:27:19am

re: #327 RogueOne

[Link: view.exacttarget.com...]


What Is This Class Action About?
The class action lawsuit alleges violations of California's antitrust and consumer protection laws in connection with the sale of certain football video games. Plaintiffs, purchasers of Electronic Arts' football video games, claim that Defendant Electronic Arts entered into a series of exclusive licenses with the National Football League (NFL), National Football League Players' Association (NFLPA), National Collegiate Athletics Association (NCAA), and Arena Football League (AFL), which Plaintiffs claim foreclosed competition in an alleged football video game market. Plaintiffs allege that this series of exclusive licenses caused customers who purchased certain football video games to be overcharged.

Defendant Electronic Arts has denied any liability and all allegations of misconduct. The Court has not decided whether the Defendants did anything wrong, and this Notice is not an expression of any opinion by the Court about the merits of any of the claims or defenses asserted by any party to this litigation.

331 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:28:49am

Mitt Romney Takes Slogan From Loser John Kerry, Logo From Toothpaste

Mitt Romney found himself an empty news cycle this afternoon, so he finally announced his candidacy for president in a video carefully crafted to be more boring than President Obama’s first campaign video. In a way, Romney was taking an idea from his last campaign, which featured an inexplicable ad of him running. Now Mitt is standing above a running track, rather than on a course. See, things are different this time! Romney’s slogan, “Believe in America” was actually last used in August 2004 by loser John Kerry, when he was on a two-week, 21-state tour flailing like a bland loser while the Swiftboaters swiftboated him. Romney has also taken his logo from Aquafresh, of all things, which isn’t even one of the top two toothpastes in America. When Mittens steals something boring, he steals it from fellow losers.

Heh.

332 iossarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:31:43am

re: #330 RogueOne

As someone involved in higher education, I must take this opportunity to point out that the NCAA is a fucking racket.

A classic example of Americans hating the "redistribution of wealth", unless that wealth is being redistributed away from young black men and towards old white guys in ugly blazers.

333 iossarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:33:06am

re: #332 iossarian

...unless that wealth is being redistributed away from young black men and towards old white guys in ugly blazers*.

* and their well-heeled, lacrosse-playing offspring.

334 funky chicken  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:34:02am

re: #31 moderatelyradicalliberal

I would like to know just exactly how Ron Paul would enforce a ban on abortion and what the punishment would be for women who have them. Jail? Fines? A scarlet letter sewn to their clothes?

With a small government, of course!

//

335 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:35:53am

re: #332 iossarian

Amen!

336 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:36:49am

re: #331 iceweasel

Mitt Romney: Same old candidate, new fresh taste.

337 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:38:49am

Back to being unemployed.
Wheee!

338 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:39:03am

re: #337 Varek Raith

Oh man. What's your field again?

339 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:39:20am

re: #291 darthstar

Discuss

It's Dick Cheney's dishwasher!

340 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:40:54am

re: #338 Obdicut

Oh man. What's your field again?

It was IT before that went away in 2010. Since then it's been retail. Stocking shelves. That kind of thing.

341 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:41:53am

re: #332 iossarian

The NCAA has been out of control for quite awhile. When it gets to the point where student-athletes are suspended and fined for selling their own property something has to be done.

342 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:43:23am

re: #340 Varek Raith

Not sure about your area but Comcast is trying to fill almost 100 IT spots around here. Everyone thinks they're evil but they do have a great benefits package.

343 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:44:17am

re: #340 Varek Raith

You don't happen to be IT to the level of being a sysadmin, are you? for *nix and Windows?

344 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:44:37am

re: #341 RogueOne

The NCAA has been out of control for quite awhile. When it gets to the point where student-athletes are suspended and fined for selling their own property something has to be done.

Student athletes, particularly those in the money-making sports for a school, should be paid some sort of salary or stipend.
In my most humble opinion.

Many - not all but many - of these athletes come from families who can't even afford to buy them a decent suit to wear when they travel for games that are going to net the school and the NCAA millions. Geez. It's wrong.

345 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:45:21am

re: #343 Obdicut

You don't happen to be IT to the level of being a sysadmin, are you? for *nix and Windows?

Nope, not that far...yet
I think it may be best to up my certifications. So far, I've been doing low to mid level stuff.

346 iossarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:46:09am

re: #341 RogueOne

The NCAA has been out of control for quite awhile. When it gets to the point where student-athletes are suspended and fined for selling their own property something has to be done.

Well, the sanctity of amateurism must be preserved at all costs (those costs happily include lavish trips to bowl games for NCAA top brass and their extended entourages).

347 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:46:47am

re: #344 reine.de.tout

I agree. High school students who get patents, or write books while at school, get to keep money maid from that. So should athletes.

I still think we pay far too much attention to sports, and athletes, as opposed to actual education, though.

348 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:47:08am

re: #345 Varek Raith

And where are you located?

349 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:48:00am

re: #348 Obdicut

And where are you located?

Northern Virginia.
Manassas, specifically.

350 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:48:41am

re: #349 Varek Raith

Okay. If I hear of anything in the area, I'll let you know. Could you commute to DC if need be?

351 The Yankee  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:49:05am

re: #349 Varek Raith

Northern Virginia.
Manassas, specifically.

Northern Virginia is an expensive place to live from my understanding, at least the western part of it.

352 iossarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:49:07am

re: #344 reine.de.tout

I agree - or there is the alternative of spinning off the big teams to become pro outfits with some kind of branding agreement, and college sport becoming a truly amateur pursuit again.

353 kirkspencer  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:50:24am

re: #343 Obdicut

You don't happen to be IT to the level of being a sysadmin, are you? for *nix and Windows?

I spent seven years as the sysad/netad for a multi-county library system: *nix/NT/2K mix. Actually, I spent the time being the all-round computer guy. Can't get a job because I don't have a computer degree (MLS doesn't count, 'that's just books') and the only cert I bothered to get was NT admin.

If you've got something feel free to send it here (via my blue nick)

354 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:51:29am

re: #350 Obdicut

Okay. If I hear of anything in the area, I'll let you know. Could you commute to DC if need be?

No. That's been my biggest problem. It's expensive here, but I don't want to move too far from my parents. So, I had to forgo a car to stay afloat.
Though, I could use VRE and Metro.
I do appreciate it.

Good thing I'm blasé about all this at my young age. I'll bounce back.
:)

355 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:52:24am

Detroit is a dirt cheap place to live.

And, jobs are starting to come back!

356 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:52:27am

re: #353 kirkspencer

I might have someone who'd like to talk to you. But when I click on the blue I just get to your wordpress. My email is just my nic here at gmail. Go ahead and shoot me a line.

357 Ericus58  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:52:32am

UN unmonitored Bradley Manning visits 'blocked'

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

"A UN investigator on torture says US officials have blocked his requests for unmonitored visits to alleged Wikileaks whistleblower Bradley Manning.

Juan Mendez said he was "disappointed and frustrated by the prevarication" he met from US officials."

Pound sand, Juan.

I'm sorry you were subjected to abuse in Argentina. But you, nor the U.N. have any jurisdiction over the Manning issue.
Get back to us after you've flown to Tehran, Damascus, China, Russia, NORKland in search of Torture and prisoner abuse.

358 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:52:46am

re: #347 Obdicut

I agree. High school students who get patents, or write books while at school, get to keep money maid from that. So should athletes.

I still think we pay far too much attention to sports, and athletes, as opposed to actual education, though.

Obdi - at least some student athletes are not there for the education. And you know what? That's OK with me. A college education is NOT for everyone. It's a nice dream, but some folk don't need/want it. Some of those athletes are playing college sports for the purpose of trying out for the pros, and nothing more. If they get an offer from the pros, they're leaving college. They need the money to support themselves and in some cases, their families - parents, siblings, etc. The school benefits when it has top-notch players. And the players should be paid for their efforts. It won't keep them in college longer, necessarily. But it's a farce to say that all the players are there for the education, and it's time to put it to rest.

359 laZardo  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:52:56am

re: #347 Obdicut

I agree. High school students who get patents, or write books while at school, get to keep money maid from that. So should athletes.

I still think we pay far too much attention to sports, and athletes, as opposed to actual education, though.

Jocks. :B

360 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:54:27am

re: #355 Alouette

Detroit is a dirt cheap place to live.

And, jobs are starting to come back!

Pretty soon it's going to be like the Dakotas in the '80's. They'll be paying people to move there.

361 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:54:36am

re: #358 reine.de.tout

But it's a farce to say that all the players are there for the education, and it's time to put it to rest.

That part is fine with me. I just think that culturally we don't value education-- and students who excel in education-- as much as we should.

362 iossarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:54:48am

re: #347 Obdicut

I agree. High school students who get patents, or write books while at school, get to keep money maid from that. So should athletes.

And of course, many institutions have revenue-sharing deals in place with their scientists. The point is that they negotiate these deals independently - there is no monopoly dictating how much a nuclear physicist can be paid (maybe there should be, but that's a question for another day).


I still think we pay far too much attention to sports, and athletes, as opposed to actual education, though.

Agreed - it always makes me laugh when people complain about the decline of amateurism and then it turns out they have subscriptions to ESPN. If people weren't throwing money into the maw of college athletics, we wouldn't have these problems.

363 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:56:33am

Politics Beck Reveals Presidential ‘Dream Team:’ West, Bachmann, Paul and…Beck

Is Glenn Beck getting ready to run for president? That was at least the joke on radio today.

While on the road this morning, Beck took some time to reveal who would be on his presidential “dream team” ticket come 2012. Sure, he’s revealed his love for Michele Bachmann before — who made his list — but today he revealed who he thought would best serve the country as president: Rep. Allen West.

Alert: Glenn Beck considers running for president

Ok, not so much. But that may be the headline you could see after people heard what else Beck had to say on radio today. Basically, he speculated about his own presidential plans. He pointed out that considering the events of late (i.e. him transitioning from his daily Fox show) and Sarah Palin’s refusal to not name him as a running mate (said very facetiously), could it be that he is looking to throw his hat in the ring?

364 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:57:13am

re: #358 reine.de.tout

But it's a farce to say that all the players are there for the education, and it's time to put it to rest.

It's also a farce to say or believe that the schools necessarily care about providing those kids with an education. Hoop Dreams is a great documentary,btw.

365 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:57:55am

I could always try geek squad again. I definitely prefer the hardware aspect to computers as opposed to software.

366 Gus  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:59:27am

re: #363 Killgore Trout

Politics Beck Reveals Presidential ‘Dream Team:’ West, Bachmann, Paul and…Beck

Politics has become an industry in this country and we've reached a point where capitalism has melded with it. You don't even have to win to make money.

367 The Yankee  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 8:59:38am

re: #363 Killgore Trout

I really can not wait for the GOP Primaries, not sure if it is going to be a comedy or a drama and how many rallies are going to want people to bring loaded guns. This should be great TV.

368 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:00:15am
369 The Yankee  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:00:21am

re: #366 Gus 802

Politics has become an industry in this country and we've reached a point where capitalism has melded with it. You don't even have to win to make money.

Are you Donald Trump?

370 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:04:23am

Pakistan is asking a bunch of CIA officers and Special Forces dudeds to leave Pakistan, with the claim that it's because of the killing of two Pakistani men by a CIA officer.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I think that this is more that Pakistan has become more and more radicalized.

372 laZardo  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:05:02am

re: #355 Alouette

Detroit is a dirt cheap place to live.

And, jobs are starting to come back!

And they have a statue of a giant fist.

I MEAN COME ON, THAT'S A NATIONAL MONUMENT RIGHT THERE.

373 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:06:08am

Hey Beck?
Alex Jones wants his shtick back.

374 Four More Tears  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:07:46am
375 Gus  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:09:12am

re: #370 Obdicut

Pakistan is asking a bunch of CIA officers and Special Forces dudeds to leave Pakistan, with the claim that it's because of the killing of two Pakistani men by a CIA officer.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I think that this is more that Pakistan has become more and more radicalized.

Thus begins the final chapter in the lost cause of the Afghanistan War. We were foolish enough to think all along that Pakistan would be our allies when in fact that nation is the birthplace and breeding ground for the Taliban. Pakistan isn't becoming more radicalized. It always was radicalized.

376 Gus  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:11:58am

re: #375 Gus 802

Thus begins the final chapter in the lost cause of the Afghanistan War. We were foolish enough to think all along that Pakistan would be our allies when in fact that nation is the birthplace and breeding ground for the Taliban. Pakistan isn't becoming more radicalized. It always was radicalized.

The clock is ticking.

377 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:12:28am

re: #366 Gus 802

Politics has become an industry in this country and we've reached a point where capitalism has melded with it. You don't even have to win to make money.

Especially with the rudderless Republicans. The lack of real leaders with ideas has turned the Republican primaries into reality show promotions.

378 Gus  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:15:57am

re: #376 Gus 802

The clock is ticking.

You would have to spend 1.6 million dollars per day since the time of Jesus in order to equal the amount of money we spent on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

And we're supposed to be out of money? And we're chasing our tails going after NPR, Planned Parenthood, and teachers' unions?

379 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:16:15am

The rise of Donald Trump continues....
Trump tied for first in GOP horserace

Donald Trump is now tied with Mike Huckabee for first place when Republicans are asked who they support for the GOP presidential nomination in 2012, according to a new national poll.

But while a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Tuesday indicates that the real estate mogul and reality TV star has nearly doubled his support since mid-March, it doesn't mean he has smooth sailing ahead.

380 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:17:47am

re: #361 Obdicut

That part is fine with me. I just think that culturally we don't value education-- and students who excel in education-- as much as we should.

Now, that might be correct.
But neither should we undervalue those who do not excel in educational endeavors but instead, excel in other areas, whether it's sports or something else.

381 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:18:10am

re: #355 Alouette

Detroit is a dirt cheap place to live.

And, jobs are starting to come back!

I rather like Detroit. It is gritty and tough but not as gritty as it is made out to be and there are some real cultural attractions. Detroit is one of several cities that are proverbially regarded as hell-zones in this part of the world, normally by people who have either never been there or haven't been there much.
San Francisco is probably the favorite target in this respect. The real place just bears no resemblance to the image it has here in the Bible belt.

382 Gus  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:19:21am

$1,178,923,013,805 and counting...

383 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:19:37am

re: #364 iceweasel

It's also a farce to say or believe that the schools necessarily care about providing those kids with an education. Hoop Dreams is a great documentary,btw.

Yes, indeed it is.
The school wants the athlete - the school benefits from a winning program.
And the athlete should be paid.

384 The Mountain That Blogs  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:21:17am

Happy 25th Anniversary, EMTALA

Signed into law by noted RINO Ronald Reagan. I wonder what the modern GOP's opinion on being able to turn poor people away at emergency rooms is.

385 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:21:45am

re: #381 Shiplord Kirel

Well, it has been the butt of jokes for decades - not just because of the cars built (SUX 6000 in Robocop), but because of the crime and general decline since the heyday 1950s.

386 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:23:02am

re: #385 lawhawk

Well, it has been the butt of jokes for decades - not just because of the cars built (SUX 6000 in Robocop), but because of the crime and general decline since the heyday 1950s.

[Video]

387 laZardo  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:23:11am

re: #385 lawhawk

Omni Consumer Products IRL.

388 brennant  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:23:27am

re: #379 Killgore Trout

The rise of Donald Trump continues...
Trump tied for first in GOP horserace

It's like the rank-and-file GOPers want Obama to win.

389 laZardo  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:23:30am

re: #386 Varek Raith

I'd Buy That For A Dollar™!

390 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:26:13am

re: #389 laZardo

Big Money! Big Prizes! I love it!

391 Gus  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:30:08am

So what gets cut?

Newly Released Spending Deal Targets Health, Environment, Energy

House Republicans and Senate Democrats have posted details of the bipartisan spending agreement that staved off a shutdown, providing a first look at where the $39.9 billion of cuts come from on a program by program basis.

Republican priorities can be seen throughout the agreement, with reduced funding for enforcing environmental regulation, scientific research, health care, and education all leaping out.

One of the hardest hit institutions is the Environmental Protection Agency, whose power Republicans have sought to curtail in recent years through a variety of legislative means. The agency will receive $1.6 billion less in funding than current levels, a 16 percent drop, including a $49 million reduction in climate change programs and $149 million cut to the Land and Water Conservation Fund. In a press release, Senate Appropriation Committee Democrats noted that the EPA cuts, while tough, were nearly $1.6 billion less than Republicans' original proposal. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration also saw a $142 million reduction in funding and is prohibited from creating a Climate Service...

Of course the war machine goes untouched. The reality though is that these cuts only represent 2 percent or so of the budget. But it is interesting to note what actually does get cut. It certainly won't impact the military-industrial complex and the Fortune 500s.

392 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:33:01am

re: #391 Gus 802

So what gets cut?

Newly Released Spending Deal Targets Health, Environment, Energy

Of course the war machine goes untouched. The reality though is that these cuts only represent 2 percent or so of the budget. But it is interesting to note what actually does get cut. It certainly won't impact the military-industrial complex and the Fortune 500s.

393 Gus  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:34:04am

re: #392 Varek Raith

[Video]

Opium for the masses. Have another carrot America.

394 The Yankee  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:35:14am

But guess what this is going to happen again in September and probably again 6 months after that. I am pretty sure the public is going to get sick and tired of these attics. Usually the budget is not a big deal and easily passes.

395 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:36:26am

re: #391 Gus 802

Shit. I though they'd dropped most of the anti-EPA shit. What short-sighted morons.

396 Gus  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:39:10am

re: #395 Obdicut

Shit. I though they'd dropped most of the anti-EPA shit. What short-sighted morons.

Yep. Apparently the GOP line of thinking is that the EPA has been holding back American industry. You know, the ones that moved to China. That includes Apple. It reminds me of the Bush tax cuts. Once you curtail the EPA's authority American industry will create 1 million jobs in the first 40 minutes. Another carrot for Americans.

397 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:41:30am

re: #396 Gus 802

The irony, of course, is that the level of automation in US industry means that you're just giving polluters the right to pollute without really creating anything in return.

There are gigantic chemical plants with a workforce of about fifty guys, producing billions worth of chemicals. But now that we're reducing the EPAs ability to go after them for pollution, they'll be able to make even more money and not worry about pesky things like local water quality.

398 Nevertires  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:44:53am

re: #381 Shiplord Kirel

There was a great episode of No Reservations about Detroit. Was very complimentary and showed off - what appeared to me to be - the City's authenticity and cultural background.

399 Gus  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 9:44:56am

re: #397 Obdicut

The irony, of course, is that the level of automation in US industry means that you're just giving polluters the right to pollute without really creating anything in return.

There are gigantic chemical plants with a workforce of about fifty guys, producing billions worth of chemicals. But now that we're reducing the EPAs ability to go after them for pollution, they'll be able to make even more money and not worry about pesky things like local water quality.

And those 50 guys are sometimes sub-contractors working at other plants. A lot of times they also utilize the plant's vendor's employees. Most of whom are already employed. All it can do is create slightly more profits for an already enclosed sub-culture of CEOs and their families who barely trickle down their wealth. Many of whom employ non-documented workers for work at their mansions and villas.

400 Randy W. Weeks  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 10:16:46am

re: #391 Gus 802

So what gets cut?

Newly Released Spending Deal Targets Health, Environment, Energy

Of course the war machine goes untouched. The reality though is that these cuts only represent 2 percent or so of the budget. But it is interesting to note what actually does get cut. It certainly won't impact the military-industrial complex and the Fortune 500s.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration also saw a $142 million reduction in funding and is prohibited from creating a Climate Service...

Idiots, idiots, idiots! What the hell is wrong with these people...including Obama? Very disappointing.

401 Spocomptonite  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 10:25:13am

re: #129 Gus 802

Ah! Then you'll need the bike for $3000. Bike shoes, $300. Bike clothing, $500. Spin stand, $400. Bike carrier, $200. Bike ap for iPad, $300...

Modern Americans.

My bikes (Trek road bike, Titus mountain bike) cost more than my Volvo.

But then, I use them a lot more than my car. Further, I don't think I could do 150 mile days on a bike that costs $100 at Wal-mart. I mean, crappy bikes are HEAVY.

Really, the "$30,000 for a new car to take ~1 mile trips around town!!!" is the truly ridiculous expense that defines modern americans.


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Norah Jones - to Live "To Live" is taken from Norah's newest album 'Pick Me Up Off The Floor,' out now and available to stream/download here: norahjones.lnk.to Connect with Norah:norahjones.cominstagram.comfacebook.com@NorahJones See Norah live: norahjones.com Music video by Norah Jones performing To Live. © 2020 ...
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Future Islands - for Sure (Official Video) 'For Sure' by Future Islands, out now on all platforms: futureislands.ffm.to A Film by Samuel Jerome MasonFinishing by John HarrisonRendered with GarageFarmSpecial Thanks to Anna, Jemima, Mike, Willy, Saad, Eric, Arsen Perish the painI was impoverishedThose ties that windAnd ...
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Andrew McMahon in the Wilderness - Get on My Wave I wrote and produced “Get On My Wave” with Kyle “King Tuff” Thomas the day we met last summer. I’ve struggled with releasing the song during the pandemic because it felt too happy; detached from the tumult of our ...
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J. Balvin, Dua Lipa, Bad Bunny, Tainy - UN DIA (ONE DAY) Stream "UN DIA (ONE DAY)" on your favorite streaming platform: jbalvin.lnk.to Subscribe to my YouTube channel here: youtube.com Connect with J Balvin on socials: instagram.com@jbalvinfacebook.comtiktok.com LYRICS Dua Lipa:You know sometimes I think about us Now and thenBut I never ...
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Travis - a Ghost (Acoustic Isolation Video) The official Acoustic Isolation Video for A Ghost by Travis. The new album 10 Songs is out 9 October, pre-order now: travis.lnk.to Listen to A Ghost: travis.lnk.to Production Company: Gezellig Studio  Video Director: Fran Healy Cinematographers: Clay Kryst, Sam ...
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Amy Macdonald - a Piece of My Heart (Brand New Song) I’ve written a little song about this mad situation... 💥🎸 Lyrics by Amy Macdonald: Nobody ever could see just what was coming, nobody thought that it was true, And nobody knew that we would miss each other, quite as ...
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Modern English - I Melt With You (From Quarantine) Modern English - I Melt With YouSubscribe to Modern English on YouTube: youtube.com Shop Modern English merchandise: shop.bandwear.com Listen to the single "I Melt With You"Apple Music: music.apple.comSpotify: open.spotify.comAmazon: amazon.com LYRICSMoving forward using all my breathMaking love to you ...
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The Killers - My Own Soul’s WarningMusic video by The Killers performing My Own Soul’s Warning. © 2020 Island Records, a division of UMG Recordings, Inc. vevo.ly
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Gregory Porter - Concorde Gregory Porter - ConcordeConcorde Available Now: gregoryporter.lnk.to PRE-ORDER GREGORY’S NEW ALBUM gregoryporter.lnk.to Subscribe to Gregory Porter’s channel here: youtube.com Follow Gregory Porter on :Facebook : gregoryporter.lnk.toTwitter : gregoryporter.lnk.to Instagram : gregoryporter.lnk.to--All Gregory Porter’s official music videos: gregoryporter.lnk.toAll Gregory Porter’s ...
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U2 - Sunday Bloody Sunday The official music video for Sunday Bloody Sunday by U2. Iconic performance of the live anthem Sunday Bloody Sunday filmed at Red Rocks in Denver, Colorado during the War tour. Subscribe to the U2 channel: u2.lnk.to Watch more U2 ...
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