GOP’s Budget Cuts Target Clean Air and Water, Create Windfalls for Polluters

The Republican Party’s total war on the environment
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The details of the budget deal reached by Republicans and Democrats have been released, and the cuts the Republicans demanded in the Environmental Protection Agency are absolutely grotesque. This is a very clear attack on the scientific institutions that study climate change, and a very clear attempt to remove restrictions on big corporations that dump poison into the air and water: Newly Released Spending Deal Targets Health, Environment, Energy.

One of the hardest hit institutions is the Environmental Protection Agency, whose power Republicans have sought to curtail in recent years through a variety of legislative means. The agency will receive $1.6 billion less in funding than current levels, a 16 percent drop, including a $49 million reduction in climate change programs and $149 million cut to the Land and Water Conservation Fund. In a press release, Senate Appropriation Committee Democrats noted that the EPA cuts, while tough, were nearly $1.6 billion less than Republicans’ original proposal. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration also saw a $142 million reduction in funding and is prohibited from creating a Climate Service.

In addition to programs protecting the environment, programs aimed at boosting energy efficiency for power plants and transportation also were major targets. Energy efficiency and renewable energy were cut by $438 million while fossil energy R&D was reduced by $226 million and nuclear energy funding was cut by $56 million. Funding for high speed rail, all $2.9 billion of it, was zeroed out entirely.

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140 comments
1 Four More Tears  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 10:53:04am

“Starve the Beast” in full effect.

2 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 10:54:33am

This is really getting goddamn dire.

We had a Sputnik moment. But the GOP is unwilling to face the reality of science and economics.

Even if other countries step up to the plate and develop the next-gen energy technology to avert the worst effects of AGW, the US is going to lose economic dominance. We can’t afford to be behind the curve on this.

And if those other countries don’t manage to innovate fast enough: the collapse of the world’s food supply.

Don’t Republicans have children? Grandchildren? What sort of world do they want them to inherit? Is this short-sightedness, or religious mania? I can’t find any rational explanation.

Even Bush’s administration endorsed, finally, the truth of AGW. Why has the GOP moved backwards?

3 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 10:54:59am

It’s horrifying. I posted the doc this morning in my Pages.

littlegreenfootballs.com

We do give $377M to the U.N. and that was cut so that’s good, but no defense cutting which is horrifying.

The other stuff is just too depressing for words.

4 Interesting Times  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 10:56:28am
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration also saw a $142 million reduction in funding and is prohibited from creating a Climate Service.

GOP environmental policy.

5 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 10:56:44am

Coming to a lake near you.
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flickr.com

6 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 10:59:35am

This is how Obama can, and very possibly will, lose the next election. By folding like a lawn chair every single time there is a fight with the right. You guys don’t think Obama can lose his base? You don’t think a third party candidate is likely? I submit you should go and look at the tone and tenor of comments on liberal blogs. The left DESPISES Obama right now.

7 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 10:59:46am

This is the guy the new GOP is trying to please. Good luck with that!

Youtube Video

8 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:00:52am

re: #6 Fozzie Bear

This is how Obama can, and very possibly will, lose the next election. By folding like a lawn chair every single time there is a fight with the right. You guys don’t think Obama can lose his base? You don’t think a third party candidate is likely? I submit you should go and look at the tone and tenor of comments on liberal blogs. The left DESPISES Obama right now.

But - they still remember how they felt on January 20th 2001.

9 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:01:12am

re: #6 Fozzie Bear

This is how Obama can, and very possibly will, lose the next election. By folding like a lawn chair every single time there is a fight with the right. You guys don’t think Obama can lose his base? You don’t think a third party candidate is likely? I submit you should go and look at the tone and tenor of comments on liberal blogs. The left DESPISES Obama right now.

Oh please, Obama isn’t losing anything. Did you see the troglodytes the GOP is marching out?

The left does not despise him! Where do you get that? We’re disappointed as hell, but if you think we’re voting for The Donald, you would be wrong.

10 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:02:50am

re: #6 Fozzie Bear

The left DESPISES Obama right now.

Speaking of short-sighted idiots.

I disagree, by the way, that Obama ‘folded like a lawn chair’.

Obama is like Israel. He has impossible choices, lose-lose choices, to make all the time. There’s only so much damage you can prevent the GOP house from doing. They are there. They do have power. You can’t nullify that.

Elections do, indeed, have consequences.

11 Four More Tears  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:02:55am

re: #7 Jimmah

Couldn’t even make it to the two minute mark.

12 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:03:01am

CNN
NASA picks homes for retiring shuttles: Atlantis to KSC; Endeavour to L.A.; Discovery to Virginia; Enterprise to N.Y.

13 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:03:07am

re: #9 marjoriemoon

Oh please, Obama isn’t losing anything. Did you see the troglodytes the GOP is marching out?

The left does not despise him! Where do you get that? We’re disappointed as hell, but if you think we’re voting for The Donald, you would be wrong.

Low turnout, third party, bad economy, 2 (now 3) wars, skyrocketing oil prices, etc, etc.

I’m astounded that more people don’t see how this could easily play out in the favor of the GOP.

14 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:03:37am

re: #9 marjoriemoon

Oh please, Obama isn’t losing anything. Did you see the troglodytes the GOP is marching out?

The left does not despise him! Where do you get that? We’re disappointed as hell, but if you think we’re voting for The Donald, you would be wrong.

Sad to say there are Democrats waking up to the fact he isn’t what the media packaged him to be - which is a cure-all Liberal messiah.
Outside a few people waking up to find that a politician is the current president - the far far left always thought he was a corporate candidate.

15 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:03:54am

re: #9 marjoriemoon

Oh please, Obama isn’t losing anything. Did you see the troglodytes the GOP is marching out?

The left does not despise him! Where do you get that? We’re disappointed as hell, but if you think we’re voting for The Donald, you would be wrong.

Well, at this rate, Obama may win reelection, but the far-right may win the day if doing so involves him “compromising” into 65% of their positions.

16 recusancy  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:04:37am

re: #1 JasonA

“Starve the Beast” in full effect.

It’s pure ideology over everything. Liberals want government that works, damn the size. Conservatives want government that’s small, damn the outcome.
forbes.com

17 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:04:45am

re: #15 Simply Sarah

Well, at this rate, Obama may win reelection, but the far-right may win the day if doing so involves him “compromising” into 65% of their positions.

P.S. Which isn’t to say he has a choice on the matter, since he can only do so much to control the political climate and the make up of Congress.

18 MarkAM  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:05:01am

Obama has made the mistake of negotiating with himself too many times. I’d really like to see him show more spine. Not that I’d support a primary challenge or vote against him in the general.

19 brennant  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:05:43am

re: #12 Varek Raith

CNN
NASA picks homes for retiring shuttles: Atlantis to KSC; Endeavour to L.A.; Discovery to Virginia; Enterprise to N.Y.

I was hoping the Museum of Flight in Seattle would get one. Damn.

20 recusancy  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:06:38am

re: #6 Fozzie Bear

This is how Obama can, and very possibly will, lose the next election. By folding like a lawn chair every single time there is a fight with the right. You guys don’t think Obama can lose his base? You don’t think a third party candidate is likely? I submit you should go and look at the tone and tenor of comments on liberal blogs. The left DESPISES Obama right now.

We’re the party of Eeyore.

21 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:06:42am

re: #19 brennant

I was hoping the Museum of Flight in Seattle would get one. Damn.

The details;

NASA’s space shuttles are bound for New York, Los Angeles, the Washington area and Cape Canaveral, Florida, the space agency announced Tuesday.

Space shuttle Discovery will go to the Smithsonian’s National Air and Space Museum Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center in Virginia. Discovery’s last mission ended March 9. The shuttle is undergoing a decommissioning process in which all toxic materials are removed and the orbiter is prepared for display.

Currently on display at the Udvar-Hazy Center is the Enterprise, the prototype shuttle built but never flown in space. Enterprise was used to fly approach and landing tests and also for vibration tests on the ground. It will go to the Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum in New York.

Space shuttle Atlantis will go to the Kennedy Space Center Visitor’s Complex in Florida. Atlantis’ last flight is scheduled for June 28.

Space shuttle Endeavour, NASA’s youngest orbiter, will go to California Science Center in Los Angeles. Endeavour’s last flight, which is scheduled for April 29, will be commanded by Mark Kelly. His wife, Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, was injured in a mass shooting in January in Tucson, Arizona, but she reportedly has said she hopes to attend the launch.

Space shuttles Challenger and Columbia and their crews were lost in service in 1986 and 2003, respectively.

The announcements come on the 50th anniversary of Soviet cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin’s historic flight as the first person in space, and the 30th anniversary of the first shuttle flight.

22 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:06:45am

re: #18 MarkAM

Obama has made the mistake of negotiating with himself too many times. I’d really like to see him show more spine. Not that I’d support a primary challenge or vote against him in the general.

I think that’s a fair point well made - and one i’ve made before.

When Obama was leading from the front on Healthcare the numbers were up, whe it was bogged down in congress the numbers fell like rocks.

23 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:07:36am

re: #13 Fozzie Bear

Low turnout, third party, bad economy, 2 (now 3) wars, skyrocketing oil prices, etc, etc.

I’m astounded that more people don’t see how this could easily play out in the favor of the GOP.

No way. I don’t see it. Especially if The Donald runs as and Indie (gawd would that be awesome) he’ll pull a ton of votes away from the GOP.

Hispanic and Asians are the largest growing ethnic group this decade. I don’t know how Asians typically vote, but Hispanics vote Dem. That’s another huge plus in our favor.

Registered Dems are not switching sides no matter what they feel about Obama.

24 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:07:39am

re: #13 Fozzie Bear

Low turnout, third party, bad economy, 2 (now 3) wars, skyrocketing oil prices, etc, etc.

I’m astounded that more people don’t see how this could easily play out in the favor of the GOP.

You can already see the negative ads running on TV.

25 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:07:41am

re: #17 Simply Sarah

P.S. Which isn’t to say he has a choice on the matter, since he can only do so much to control the political climate and the make up of Congress.

He has the veto, and the bully pulpit. Two extremely powerful tools, and he just isn’t making very much use of either. His dispassionate diplomat role will get us little better than falling only halfway to ruin, as if that were some kind of victory. “Lets just give them half the insane things they want and never discuss the necessity of addressing the revenue side of the equation” isn’t a formula for winning elections, and it isn’t good leadership.

26 SteveMcGazi  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:07:52am

I don’t think the president has lost as many battles to the right as you think.

27 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:09:17am

Laters all.

Taking my headache to bed.

28 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:09:20am

re: #26 SteveMcG

I don’t think the president has lost as many battles to the right as you think.

But he has made promises he didn’t (or couldn’t) keep. Fire power for a political strategist.

29 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:10:42am

re: #28 Cannadian Club Akbar

But he has made promises he didn’t (or couldn’t) keep. Fire power for a political strategist.

That’s pretty much any politician, though. I mean, the GOP went for years getting the religious right to vote for them, only to largely pay them lip service in office (With some bones tossed in), until more recently when things started getting out of control.

30 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:10:44am

re: #28 Cannadian Club Akbar

But he has made promises he didn’t (or couldn’t) keep. Fire power for a political strategist.

Pretty weak fire power, seeing as every politician who has ever existed, and will exist, has done the same.
;)

31 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:10:53am

re: #28 Cannadian Club Akbar

But he has made promises he didn’t (or couldn’t) keep. Fire power for a political strategist.

Also, add in half truth ads by 501C’s. (or is it 503’s?)

32 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:11:15am

re: #23 marjoriemoon

No way. I don’t see it. Especially if The Donald runs as and Indie (gawd would that be awesome) he’ll pull a ton of votes away from the GOP.

Hispanic and Asians are the largest growing ethnic group this decade. I don’t know how Asians typically vote, but Hispanics vote Dem. That’s another huge plus in our favor.

Registered Dems are not switching sides no matter what they feel about Obama.

You underestimate the power of propaganda. There is absolutely nothing about this next election that Obama has “locked down”. He doesn’t have the enthusiasm he has in 2008, and he does have a whole mess of problems he didn’t have then. Go back and look at the 2008 results. Look at the campaign McCain/Palin ran, the most blatantly racist campaign in my lifetime, after 8 disastrous years of failed republican leadership, and he still didn’t win by as large a margin as one might assume he would have given the incredibly obvious difference in competency and gravitas between the candidates.

33 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:11:32am

re: #17 Simply Sarah

P.S. Which isn’t to say he has a choice on the matter, since he can only do so much to control the political climate and the make up of Congress.

He can do a lot. He has veto power and he should have used it on this mess.

I was a Hillary supporter. Maybe I need a bumper sticker.

To wozzablog: The whole “messiah” thing was a REPUBLICAN talking point, not one of ours. No Democrat called him the Messiah.

34 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:11:47am

re: #11 JasonA

Couldn’t even make it to the two minute mark.

Yeah that was pretty gruesome. I think it was spacejesus who first brought it to our attention.

35 recusancy  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:12:00am

re: #25 Fozzie Bear

He has the veto, and the bully pulpit. Two extremely powerful tools, and he just isn’t making very much use of either. His dispassionate diplomat role will get us little better than falling only halfway to ruin, as if that were some kind of victory. “Lets just give them half the insane things they want and never discuss the necessity of addressing the revenue side of the equation” isn’t a formula for winning elections, and it isn’t good leadership.

What’s he supposed to veto if nothing gets through to him? How do you want him to use the bully pulpit? Is he supposed to hold a national talk every week and slam his fists on the podium every week to get every little thing done? Every politician has only so much political capital. Also, he’s black. The minute he looks angry they will play him off as the angry black man with every dog whistle available. And it’ll work.

36 MarkAM  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:12:03am

Also in the budget deal was the delisting of the timber wolf (at the behest of the senators from Montana and Idaho.) This is the first time Congress has been allowed to substitute its judgment for the Fish and Wildlife Service with regard to the Endangered Species Act. A terrible precedent.

37 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:12:13am

re: #30 Varek Raith

Pretty weak fire power, seeing as every politician who has ever existed, and will exist, has done the same.
;)

And they were beaten over the head with it. Not all people follow politics like we here do.

38 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:12:49am

re: #33 marjoriemoon

He can do a lot. He has veto power and he should have used it on this mess.

I was a Hillary supporter. Maybe I need a bumper sticker.

To wozzablog: The whole “messiah” thing was a REPUBLICAN talking point, not one of ours. No Democrat called him the Messiah.

He does have veto power, but what does he have to veto here? I’m honestly asking since I’m not sure what you mean.

39 brennant  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:12:58am

re: #36 MarkAM

Also in the budget deal was the delisting of the timber wolf (at the behest of the senators from Montana and Idaho.) This is the first time Congress has been allowed to substitute its judgment for the Fish and Wildlife Service with regard to the Endangered Species Act. A terrible precedent.

Ugh.

40 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:13:08am

re: #37 Cannadian Club Akbar

And they were beaten over the head with it. Not all people follow politics like we here do.

I sometimes forget that.

41 kirkspencer  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:13:29am

re: #18 MarkAM

Obama has made the mistake of negotiating with himself too many times. I’d really like to see him show more spine. Not that I’d support a primary challenge or vote against him in the general.

Maybe. Oh, I see that said a lot, but…

I want to see what he says tomorrow night. The “he’s going to say” people are giving two different messages as to what he’s going to set as the anti-Ryan position from which to discuss.

Message one is the bad one: Simpson-Bowles.

Message two, however, is increasing taxes on the wealthy, raising the cutoff on social security taxes, cuts in areas the Republicans set as off-limits (like the pentagon), no medicare/medicaid cuts.

We’ll see which message really comes from his speech.

42 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:13:55am

re: #36 MarkAM

Also in the budget deal was the delisting of the timber wolf (at the behest of the senators from Montana and Idaho.) This is the first time Congress has been allowed to substitute its judgment for the Fish and Wildlife Service with regard to the Endangered Species Act. A terrible precedent.

What the hell.
This “deal” is fucking terrible. I hope this is rectified…

43 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:14:08am

re: #32 Fozzie Bear

You underestimate the power of propaganda. There is absolutely nothing about this next election that Obama has “locked down”. He doesn’t have the enthusiasm he has in 2008, and he does have a whole mess of problems he didn’t have then. Go back and look at the 2008 results. Look at the campaign McCain/Palin ran, the most blatantly racist campaign in my lifetime, after 8 disastrous years of failed republican leadership, and he still didn’t win by as large a margin as one might assume he would have given the incredibly obvious difference in competency and gravitas between the candidates.

The racism has doubled and tripled and only has driven decent conservatives away from their own party.

You can’t convince me. The GOP is riding the backs of the poor, the elderly, women, minorities and you think the Democrats are going to join them? That makes no sense.

44 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:16:05am

re: #35 recusancy

What’s he supposed to veto if nothing gets through to him? How do you want him to use the bully pulpit? Is he supposed to hold a national talk every week and slam his fists on the podium every week to get every little thing done? Every politician has only so much political capital. Also, he’s black. The minute he looks angry they will play him off as the angry black man with every dog whistle available. And it’ll work.

Yes. Absolutely. He should be out there, selling his point of view forcefully. He should be submitting his own bills to congress if need be. Past presidents have done it.

Governing takes judicious use of propaganda. Especially in a democratic republic. The country is essentially leaderless right now, and it shows. He isn’t leading. He need to lead.

45 Summer Seale  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:16:32am

I’m blown away that Republicans zeroed out high speed rail. Aren’t they always complaining about the Saudis and oil from Arab countries?

This is what you get when you have a party full of uneducated morons who just like to blow stuff up and recite stuff the preacher says on Sundays without any understanding whatsoever.

Honestly: WTF is wrong with high speed rail? I take it all the time here in France and it’s amazing. It’s comfortable, faster and easier than flying because you don’t have hours of security lines, there’s no turbulence, and you get far more leg room and comfort than any plane at all.

I guess Republicans just like guzzling all the damn oil they say they don’t like to guzzle after all.

46 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:16:39am

re: #35 recusancy

What’s he supposed to veto if nothing gets through to him? How do you want him to use the bully pulpit? Is he supposed to hold a national talk every week and slam his fists on the podium every week to get every little thing done? Every politician has only so much political capital. Also, he’s black. The minute he looks angry they will play him off as the angry black man with every dog whistle available. And it’ll work.

Yelling and screaming isn’t his style, of course, but it never was, even when he was in school.

I’m a card carrying liberal and I think a lot of these cuts are awful, but you’d have to crack me over the head and chain me in a dungeon to get me to vote Republican.

Btw, I DO agree with increasing $600 million to Vet affairs. How will the Right spin that little tidbit?

47 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:17:11am

re: #33 marjoriemoon

He can do a lot. He has veto power and he should have used it on this mess.

I was a Hillary supporter. Maybe I need a bumper sticker.

To wozzablog: The whole “messiah” thing was a REPUBLICAN talking point, not one of ours. No Democrat called him the Messiah.

i did say media myth. Some people brought the propaganda in the media about a “transformative figure, greatest candidate ever” - i’m not saying it was a huge amount of people.
And no, Democrats didn’t out and out call him the messiah - but the expectations were raised too high and some people voted D on those inflated expectations.

48 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:17:33am

re: #43 marjoriemoon

The racism has doubled and tripled and only has driven decent conservatives away from their own party.

You can’t convince me. The GOP is riding the backs of the poor, the elderly, women, minorities and you think the Democrats are going to join them? That makes no sense.

No, i’m not saying they are going to join the right. I’m saying they will not indefinitely support a weak leader who is doing little to oppose it.

49 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:17:58am

re: #45 Summer

They wanted high speed rail between Tampa and Orlando here. Wouldn’t have worked.

50 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:18:37am

re: #45 Summer

I’m blown away that Republicans zeroed out high speed rail. Aren’t they always complaining about the Saudis and oil from Arab countries?

This is what you get when you have a party full of uneducated morons who just like to blow stuff up and recite stuff the preacher says on Sundays without any understanding whatsoever.

Honestly: WTF is wrong with high speed rail? I take it all the time here in France and it’s amazing. It’s comfortable, faster and easier than flying because you don’t have hours of security lines, there’s no turbulence, and you get far more leg room and comfort than any plane at all.

I guess Republicans just like guzzling all the damn oil they say they don’t like to guzzle after all.

I too am baffled by the oppositon to high speed rail. I just don’t get it at all. George Will’s hatchet piece was the weirdest thing. Forget what he said but it was really stupid even for him.

51 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:18:38am

re: #45 Summer

I’m blown away that Republicans zeroed out high speed rail. Aren’t they always complaining about the Saudis and oil from Arab countries?

This is what you get when you have a party full of uneducated morons who just like to blow stuff up and recite stuff the preacher says on Sundays without any understanding whatsoever.

Honestly: WTF is wrong with high speed rail? I take it all the time here in France and it’s amazing. It’s comfortable, faster and easier than flying because you don’t have hours of security lines, there’s no turbulence, and you get far more leg room and comfort than any plane at all.

I guess Republicans just like guzzling all the damn oil they say they don’t like to guzzle after all.

I’m not surprised at all. Several newly elected Republican governors rejected high speed rail funding that their states had already been awarded, so this follows logically from that.

52 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:18:40am

re: #38 Simply Sarah

He does have veto power, but what does he have to veto here? I’m honestly asking since I’m not sure what you mean.

He can veto anything that was on that budget - prevent it from passing and being implemented.

53 kirkspencer  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:18:49am

re: #49 Cannadian Club Akbar

They wanted high speed rail between Tampa and Orlando here. Wouldn’t have worked.

why not?

54 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:19:17am

Laters all.

55 recusancy  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:19:31am

re: #44 Fozzie Bear

Yes. Absolutely. He should be out there, selling his point of view forcefully. He should be submitting his own bills to congress if need be. Past presidents have done it.

Governing takes judicious use of propaganda. Especially in a democratic republic. The country is essentially leaderless right now, and it shows. He isn’t leading. He need to lead.

I agree with you to an extent. He doesn’t seem to lead on issues for whatever reason. But I really hope you understand that, him, out selling everything, forcefully, all the time is not going to fix things. He tried that on health care. That took a year and was severely compromised. He’s the President but that bully pulpit ain’t what it used to be.

56 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:19:52am

re: #53 kirkspencer

why not?

Both cities are very sprawled. I would think it would be more for commuters for work.

57 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:20:10am

re: #45 Summer

I’m blown away that Republicans zeroed out high speed rail. Aren’t they always complaining about the Saudis and oil from Arab countries?

This is what you get when you have a party full of uneducated morons who just like to blow stuff up and recite stuff the preacher says on Sundays without any understanding whatsoever.

Honestly: WTF is wrong with high speed rail? I take it all the time here in France and it’s amazing. It’s comfortable, faster and easier than flying because you don’t have hours of security lines, there’s no turbulence, and you get far more leg room and comfort than any plane at all.

I guess Republicans just like guzzling all the damn oil they say they don’t like to guzzle after all.

The problem I have heard regarding high speed rail along the east coast (would not really make sense anywhere else) is that it would require laying new track alongside the existing track. I don’t know enough about the project to know if this is really an issue.

The reason it works in Europe is that they essentially rebuilt all their railroads after WW2. I don’t think we have rebuilt ours since the Civil War.

58 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:20:22am

re: #52 marjoriemoon

He can veto anything that was on that budget - prevent it from passing and being implemented.

He could, but it’s a budget that he had a large hand in negotiating. These cuts aren’t there because he wanted them to be there, they’re there because it was the only way to avoid a government shutdown. If he were to now turn around and veto it, I don’t think it would play well with most of the public, since it wouldn’t look like he negotiated in good faith.

59 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:20:46am

re: #55 recusancy

I agree with you to an extent. He doesn’t seem to lead on issues for whatever reason. But I really hope you understand that, him, out selling everything, forcefully, all the time is not going to fix things. He tried that on health care. That took a year and was severely compromised. He’s the President but that bully pulpit ain’t what it used to be.

The bully pulpit is as powerful as the voice that stands behind it. Obama is sadly just a particularly weak leader, imo. He has the right ideas, but he isn’t a leader. He is an administrator, and it shows.

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:22:35am

re: #6 Fozzie Bear

This is how Obama can, and very possibly will, lose the next election. By folding like a lawn chair every single time there is a fight with the right. You guys don’t think Obama can lose his base? You don’t think a third party candidate is likely? I submit you should go and look at the tone and tenor of comments on liberal blogs. The left DESPISES Obama right now.

The left was bound to despise Obama, but he’s not going to go down like that. My prediction. He’s going to pick up more independents than he loses progressive wing.

61 recusancy  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:23:36am

re: #52 marjoriemoon

He can veto anything that was on that budget - prevent it from passing and being implemented.

If he vetoed this the government would have shut down and he would have been blamed. Then, after taking a political beating, a worse bill would probably come forward.

It’s amazing to me that Obama is getting the blame for what conservatives are doing.

62 zora  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:23:41am

re: #9 marjoriemoon

the rabid left ( firebaggers) stay mad with obama. he won’t satisfy them any more than he can satisfy the teabaggers.

63 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:23:55am

re: #59 Fozzie Bear

The bully pulpit is as powerful as the voice that stands behind it. Obama is sadly just a particularly weak leader, imo. He has the right ideas, but he isn’t a leader. He is an administrator, and it shows.

I think we agree. Drink!!:)

64 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:24:31am

re: #45 Summer

I’m blown away that Republicans zeroed out high speed rail. Aren’t they always complaining about the Saudis and oil from Arab countries?

This is what you get when you have a party full of uneducated morons who just like to blow stuff up and recite stuff the preacher says on Sundays without any understanding whatsoever.

Honestly: WTF is wrong with high speed rail? I take it all the time here in France and it’s amazing. It’s comfortable, faster and easier than flying because you don’t have hours of security lines, there’s no turbulence, and you get far more leg room and comfort than any plane at all.

I guess Republicans just like guzzling all the damn oil they say they don’t like to guzzle after all.

Was talking about that to my libertarian boss. He’s pretty much straight up libertarian. Hates all social programs including public roads, schools, hospitals, etc. Thinks we don’t have ENOUGH abortions in this country.

Anyhoo, he hates the high speed rails. When I brought up Europe as an example, he said to me, “Where would you take a high speed rail that you wouldn’t fly?” I said, “California”. I’m in Florida. He said, “You know how long it will take you to get there?” In essence, the U.S. is too big which would make it useless. European countries are all next to each other, or closer anyway.

He also made some kind of point that we’ve been trying to speed up Amtrak and we can’t get our shit together over that because “of the unions.” Then he got mad and started pounding his fists on his desk and I knew it was time to leave :)

I like the idea of high speed rails personally.

65 researchok  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:25:03am

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

The left was bound to despise Obama, but he’s not going to go down like that. My prediction. He’s going to pick up more independents than he loses progressive wing.

I agree wholeheartedly.

As long as Obama remains steadfast and tough on national security and reasonable about dealing with deficits, he will resonate with independents.

66 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:26:13am

re: #61 recusancy

If he vetoed this the government would have shut down and he would have been blamed. Then, after taking a political beating, a worse bill would probably come forward.

It’s amazing to me that Obama is getting the blame for what conservatives are doing.

Excellent point.

67 Summer Seale  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:26:44am

re: #57 Alouette

The problem I have heard regarding high speed rail along the east coast (would not really make sense anywhere else) is that it would require laying new track alongside the existing track. I don’t know enough about the project to know if this is really an issue.

The reason it works in Europe is that they essentially rebuilt all their railroads after WW2. I don’t think we have rebuilt ours since the Civil War.

Actually, no. The TVG uses different tracks than the regular trains. TGV trains can travel on regular lines but at reduced speed, like any other rail car. But to go fast, they go on special tracks which are wider.

But honestly, you gotta start somewhere. Yes, Europe started investing decades ago, but so what? We have to catch up now. We should rebuild our tracks and train system the way they did, or better even. I know it’s expensive, but was always going to be expensive. It would have been expensive had we started it forty years ago as well. The fact that it’s expensive now is just the excuse of a procrastinator who doesn’t really want to do it.

If we really want to get off of oil as much as we can, we have to start somewhere. But anytime somebody suggests investing in anything, everyone starts mentioning how expensive it is. Well, we know it’s going to be expensive. Creating any infrastructure is going to be expensive. There never will be a non-expensive solution in our lifetimes. But it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t start somewhere and do it.

68 zora  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:27:20am

re: #18 MarkAM

my teenage son was just saying the other day that he wants obama to go teddy roosevelt on the republicans.

69 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:28:07am

re: #65 researchok

I agree wholeheartedly.

As long as Obama remains steadfast and tough on national security and reasonable about dealing with deficits, he will resonate with independents.

He isn’t being even remotely reasonable about dealing with the deficit. Tax hikes were taken off the table. So now, it’s a battle over what necessary services to gut. That’s not a strategy, that’s capitulation.

70 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:28:26am

re: #59 Fozzie Bear

I don’t think analyzing leadership in terms of ‘weak’ or ‘strong’ is very useful at all.

There’s no way to tell how things would go differently with someone else in place. But more to the point: there isn’t someone else in place. I wish people who think Obama isn’t doing a good enough job would have that inspire them to throw more energy into change themselves, instead of throwing up their hands. If you lack a leader, then the energy and the power and the movement has to come from below. It’s not an excuse to just give up.

Far too many on the left seem to say that because Obama isn’t leading in the areas they’d like him to, that they can’t do anything. It’s not true. Wisconsin is showing that. People need to organize, organize, organize.

71 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:28:26am

re: #49 Cannadian Club Akbar

Apparently zeroing out the HSR money means that the money can’t be used for other HSR projects, like replacing the Portal Bridge on the NEC (which is the nation’s only current HSR).

72 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:29:16am

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

The left was bound to despise Obama, but he’s not going to go down like that. My prediction. He’s going to pick up more independents than he loses progressive wing.

The left will run a third-party candidate. That’s my prediction. That’s the risk of moving from center-left to center-right: the left will not just sit there and enjoy their lack of representation.

73 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:29:21am

re: #69 Fozzie Bear

Obama pleaded, pleaded with congress to pass tax hikes on the richest percentile. Congress didn’t. When he did provide that leadership, congress just punted.

74 garhighway  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:29:48am

Afternoon, all. here’s another commentary on the budget proposal of Boy Genius Paul Ryan, by a former fan of his:

washingtonpost.com

Sample:

For one thing, Ryan’s savings all come from cuts, and at least two-thirds of them come from programs serving the poor. The wealthy, meanwhile, would see their taxes lowered, and the Defense Department would escape unscathed. It is not courageous to attack the weak while supporting your party’s most inane and damaging fiscal orthodoxies. But the problem isn’t just that Ryan’s budget is morally questionable. It also wouldn’t work.

Don’t take it from me. Take it from Robert Reischauer, who directed the Congressional Budget Office from 1989 to 1995 and now leads the Urban Institute. “If this is a competition between Ryan and the Affordable Care Act on realistic approaches to curbing the growth of spending,” Reischauer says, “the Affordable Care Act gets five points and Ryan gets zero.” But Ryan would repeal the Affordable Care Act and replace it with his own wishful plan. In doing so, he makes it harder, not easier, for us to balance the budget.

75 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:29:56am

re: #59 Fozzie Bear

The bully pulpit is as powerful as the voice that stands behind it. Obama is sadly just a particularly weak leader, imo. He has the right ideas, but he isn’t a leader. He is an administrator, and it shows.

I agree that he has often come off to me as somewhat weak (And making me regret narrowly deciding to support him instead of Hillary), but he also has had to deal with a Democratic Party that’s far from united. In recent years, it seems like *both* parties have compromised internally to the right, so that’s a flow against things from the start.

I think what really hurt him was the fact that he actually seemed to believe his whole bipartisan/post-partisan rhetoric coming in to office and, as a result, started off trying to deal with Republicans from a moderate starting point. That starting point got painted as “socialist” and cut off a lot of his wiggle room that wasn’t right of center. I feel that was a huge strategic mistake.

76 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:30:25am

re: #69 Fozzie Bear

He isn’t being even remotely reasonable about dealing with the deficit. Tax hikes were taken off the table. So now, it’s a battle over what necessary services to gut. That’s not a strategy, that’s capitulation.

So you voting Republican now in 2012?

77 recusancy  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:31:03am

re: #69 Fozzie Bear

He isn’t being even remotely reasonable about dealing with the deficit. Tax hikes were taken off the table. So now, it’s a battle over what necessary services to gut. That’s not a strategy, that’s capitulation.

here ya go: act.boldprogressives.org

78 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:31:39am

re: #71 lawhawk

Apparently zeroing out the HSR money means that the money can’t be used for other HSR projects, like replacing the Portal Bridge on the NEC (which is the nation’s only current HSR).

I know Gubner Scott first said no but then got another week to think about it. Didn’t see what happened afterward.

79 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:31:46am

re: #74 garhighway

Afternoon, all. here’s another commentary on the budget proposal of Boy Genius Paul Ryan, by a former fan of his:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]

Sample:

For one thing, Ryan’s savings all come from cuts, and at least two-thirds of them come from programs serving the poor. The wealthy, meanwhile, would see their taxes lowered, and the Defense Department would escape unscathed. It is not courageous to attack the weak while supporting your party’s most inane and damaging fiscal orthodoxies. But the problem isn’t just that Ryan’s budget is morally questionable. It also wouldn’t work.

Don’t take it from me. Take it from Robert Reischauer, who directed the Congressional Budget Office from 1989 to 1995 and now leads the Urban Institute. “If this is a competition between Ryan and the Affordable Care Act on realistic approaches to curbing the growth of spending,” Reischauer says, “the Affordable Care Act gets five points and Ryan gets zero.” But Ryan would repeal the Affordable Care Act and replace it with his own wishful plan. In doing so, he makes it harder, not easier, for us to balance the budget.

I just call him Eddie Munster.

80 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:32:49am

Alright I gotta get. Be back later to taunt you all a second time.

81 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:33:09am

re: #76 marjoriemoon

So you voting Republican now in 2012?

No, but I know of plenty of liberals who have vowed to vote third-party rather than for Obama in 2012. I will hold my nose and vote for Obama, but that doesn’t mean I am excited about it.

82 researchok  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:33:27am

re: #69 Fozzie Bear

He isn’t being even remotely reasonable about dealing with the deficit. Tax hikes were taken off the table. So now, it’s a battle over what necessary services to gut. That’s not a strategy, that’s capitulation.

I look at this way- he has to appeal to a broad constituency, not just his political base.

He can’t make an impact if he isn’t in the game.

Remember too, the GOP initially wanted $100 billion plus in cuts. They ended up with just under 30 billion.

From CBS News:

Among the cuts:

$700 million from clean and safe drinking water programs;
$390 million from heating subsidies;
$276 million from pandemic flu prevention programs; and
$1.5 billion from the president’s new $8 billion initiative to spur high-speed rail development.
Many of the cuts appear to have been cuts in name only, because they came from programs that had unspent funds.

For example, $1.7 billion left over from the 2010 census; $3.5 billion in unused children’s health insurance funds; $2.2 billion in subsidies for health insurance co-ops (that’s something the president’s new health care law is going to fund anyway); and $2.5 billion from highway programs that can’t be spent because of restrictions set by other legislation.

About $10 billion of the cuts comes from targeting appropriations accounts previously used by lawmakers for so-called earmarks - pet projects like highways, water projects, community development grants and new equipment for police and fire departments. Republicans had already engineered a ban on earmarks when taking back the House this year.

Republicans also claimed $5 billion in savings by capping payments from a fund awarding compensation to crime victims. Under an arcane bookkeeping rule — used for years by appropriators — placing a cap on spending from the Justice Department crime victims fund allows lawmakers to claim the entire contents of the fund as “budget savings.” The savings are awarded year after year.

Democrats were able to protect some programs that had been targeted by House Republicans earlier this year, like the Head Start early learning program, while maintaining the maximum Pell grant of $5,550 and funding for President Obama’s “Race to the Top” initiative that provides grants to better-performing schools.

Republicans also gave up politically treacherous cuts to the Agriculture Department’s food inspection program.

The president and Democrats also repelled Republican moves to cut $1 billion in grants for community health centers and $500 million from biomedical research at the National Institutes of Health, while blocking them from “zeroing out” the AmeriCorps national service program and subsidies for public broadcasting and National Public Radio.

Conservatives are upset that most conservative policy “riders” added by Republicans were dropped from the legislation in the course of the talks

.

Lots more to read.

83 brennant  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:33:37am

re: #80 marjoriemoon

Alright I gotta get. Be back later to taunt you all a second time.

Run away!

84 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:34:35am

In any case, at least some of the blame needs to fall at the feet of the voting public, since we were the ones that put these people into office (Maybe not personally, but you know what I mean), either by not voting or not seeing what they were going to do (Or not caring).

85 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:36:45am

re: #84 Simply Sarah

In any case, at least some of the blame needs to fall at the feet of the voting public, since we were the ones that put these people into office (Maybe not personally, but you know what I mean), either by not voting or not seeing what they were going to do (Or not caring).

But, but, I am only one vote!! It won’t matter!!
//I HATE when people say that. Also, and this is my personal belief, don’t vote, don’t bitch.

86 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:37:00am

re: #73 Obdicut

Obama pleaded, pleaded with congress to pass tax hikes on the richest percentile. Congress didn’t. When he did provide that leadership, congress just punted.

He should have vetoed and refused to pass a budget that didn’t deal with the deficit. Now the deficit is a blunt instument used to bludgeon him over and over, and it needn’t be. it should have been the other way around.

Obama’s constant striving toward compromise and bipartisanship is ridiculous. He showed up at a knife fight, and he didn’t bring a gun. He didn’t even bring a knife. He isn’t fighting. When the opposition proposes something insane, you don’t give them half the insanity and call it compromise. You dig your heels in and be the adult in the room. You refuse to be a party to bankrupting the country.

87 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:37:06am

Just tell everyone that the high-speed rail line will be privately owned and made of Rearden metal. That will win over the conservatives…

88 zora  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:38:16am

re: #87 ralphieboy

Just tell everyone that the high-speed rail line will be privately owned by the galt family and made of Rearden metal. That will win over the conservatives…

89 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:38:47am

re: #87 ralphieboy

Just tell everyone that the high-speed rail line will be privately owned and made of Rearden metal. That will win over the conservatives…

A Chinese company offered to do HSR here in Florida. All the financial hits if there were to be any.

90 avanti  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:39:10am

One major GOP win, not so big. They cut czar’s that were already gone.

Czar..

91 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:40:05am

The Chinese know how to build a high-speed rail line. They let the Germans come over and build them a test track, then cancelled the contract and built their own version of it…

92 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:41:48am

re: #91 ralphieboy

The Chinese know how to build a high-speed rail line. They let the Germans come over and build them a test track, then cancelled the contract and built their own version of it…

The Chinese do that. Watch as someone fails and learn from it. That is what they are doing with cars. They watched Kia and waited.

93 Kragar  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:41:55am

Syrian soldiers shot for refusing to fire on civilians


Syrian soldiers have been shot by security forces after refusing to fire on protesters, witnesses said, as a crackdown on anti-government demonstrations intensified.

Witnesses told al-Jazeera and the BBC that some soldiers had refused to shoot after the army moved into Banias in the wake of intense protests on Friday.

Human rights monitors named Mourad Hejjo, a conscript from Madaya village, as one of those shot by security snipers. “His family and town are saying he refused to shoot at his people,” said Wassim Tarif, a local human rights monitor.

94 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:43:01am

re: #92 Cannadian Club Akbar

The Chinese do that. Watch as someone fails and learn from it. That is what they are doing with cars. They watched Kia and waited.

Oops. Not the same as Ralphieboy stated. But point made.

95 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:43:24am

re: #92 Cannadian Club Akbar

And one other social aspect of rail lines: you can put the poor folks on the other side of the tracks…

96 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:44:29am

re: #86 Fozzie Bear

He should have vetoed and refused to pass a budget that didn’t deal with the deficit. Now the deficit is a blunt instument used to bludgeon him over and over, and it needn’t be. it should have been the other way around.

Obama’s constant striving toward compromise and bipartisanship is ridiculous. He showed up at a knife fight, and he didn’t bring a gun. He didn’t even bring a knife. He isn’t fighting. When the opposition proposes something insane, you don’t give them half the insanity and call it compromise. You dig your heels in and be the adult in the room. You refuse to be a party to bankrupting the country.

My point is that the smartest political strategy isn’t to just attack your opponent where he is weak. You attack your opponent’s strengths, because that has the greatest impact. The GOP’s “strength” (in terms of public perception) is that they are the party of fiscal restraint. Sure, it’s not the truth, the GOP has for 30 years been the less fiscally responsible party, and the numbers bear this out. Obama’s desire to compromise ceded powerful political ammunition to the opposition, and now he owns the deficit every bit as much as the GOP. It’s bad politics, and its bad policy. That’s my point.

Compromise with crazy people isn’t a virtue. It’s weakness.

97 researchok  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:48:15am

White House finally condemns Syria

Today, after a reported 200 deaths over a couple of weeks during which the Syrian regime has been using live ammo against its own citizens and by its own admission, the White House condemned the regime:

“We are deeply concerned by reports that Syrians who have been wounded by their government are being denied access to medical care. The escalating repression by the Syrian government is outrageous, and the United States strongly condemns the continued efforts to suppress peaceful protesters. President Assad and the Syrian government must respect the universal rights of the Syrian people, who are rightly demanding the basic freedoms that they have been denied.”

98 zora  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:51:26am

politicalwire.com

Voters Sour on House Republicans

Stunningly, independent voters now say they’d vote Democratic for the House by a 42% to 33% margin, representing a 28 point reversal in a span of just five months.

more data here:
publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com

99 avanti  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:51:47am

Fox News goes nuts over a J. Crew add with mom having fun painting her 10 year old sons toe nails:

“Yeah, well, it may be fun and games now, Jenna, but at least put some money aside for psychotherapy for the kid—and maybe a little for others who’ll be affected by your “innocent” pleasure.


Gender Identity .

100 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:52:12am

On a somewhat tangentially related note, I’m starting to feel that my support in a single-payer system may be misplaced. Not because I don’t think it would be an effective system, but because I’m realize just how much further it would politicize medicine. I really don’t want what medical treatments I can get to be even further controlled by politicians.

101 aagcobb  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:54:14am

re: #96 Fozzie Bear

I disagree. Last year, like it or not, the voters gave the GOP control of the House. A big part of their platform was reigning in government spending. I think that to moderate voters he has come across as a responsible adult who worked out a deal for responsible budget cuts the voters said they wanted.

102 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:54:34am

re: #99 avanti

Fox News goes nuts over a J. Crew add with mom having fun painting her 10 year old sons toe nails:

“Yeah, well, it may be fun and games now, Jenna, but at least put some money aside for psychotherapy for the kid—and maybe a little for others who’ll be affected by your “innocent” pleasure.

Gender Identity .

Oh God. Are they *still* going on about that?

103 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:56:31am

re: #99 avanti

You have the right to raise your child in any way we approve of…

104 aagcobb  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:57:42am

re: #102 Simply Sarah

Homophobes are a big part of their target audience.

105 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:57:46am

re: #6 Fozzie Bear

This is how Obama can, and very possibly will, lose the next election. By folding like a lawn chair every single time there is a fight with the right. You guys don’t think Obama can lose his base? You don’t think a third party candidate is likely? I submit you should go and look at the tone and tenor of comments on liberal blogs. The left DESPISES Obama right now.

The Tone And Tenor-of-the-Left
Image: AJb7i.jpg

106 zora  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:57:53am

re: #99 avanti

Fox News goes nuts over a J. Crew add with mom having fun painting her 10 year old sons toe nails:

“Yeah, well, it may be fun and games now, Jenna, but at least put some money aside for psychotherapy for the kid—and maybe a little for others who’ll be affected by your “innocent” pleasure.

Gender Identity .

the j crew pic is part of the gay agenda. they are so sneaky. /

107 Simply Sarah  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:57:57am

re: #103 ralphieboy

You have the right to raise your child in any way we approve of…

It’s about having a view of gender roles and identities that quickly narrows to a point.

108 researchok  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 11:59:38am

Va. teacher holds mock slave auction

Trying to bring a Civil War history lesson to life, teacher Jessica Boyle turned her fourth grade Norfolk classroom into a slave auction: She ordered black and mixed race students to one side of the classroom. Then, the white students took turns buying them.

Parent complaints began rolling in shortly after the April 1 lesson, and the principal at Sewells Point Elementary School, Mary B. Wrushen, wrote to parents last week that Boyle had gone too far.

109 Lord of the Pies  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 12:00:52pm

re: #108 researchok

Va. teacher holds mock slave auction

EPIC FAIL

110 Jack Burton  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 12:00:58pm

re: #64 marjoriemoon

…Anyhoo, he hates the high speed rails. When I brought up Europe as an example, he said to me, “Where would you take a high speed rail that you wouldn’t fly?” I said, “California”. I’m in Florida. He said, “You know how long it will take you to get there?” In essence, the U.S. is too big which would make it useless. European countries are all next to each other, or closer anyway.

This is why any HSR projects should be regional rather than national. The US is like all of Europe and there’s no Pan-EU rail system all operated and funded by the same source that I know of. I’d like to take a high speed train from here to LA, SF, Portland, or Las Vegas. If I want to go to Chicago or NY… then I’ll fly.

111 avanti  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 12:00:59pm

re: #103 ralphieboy

Look at the ad, mom and the kid seem to be getting a laugh out of it. I guess if the kid tried mom’s heels on Fox would take the kid to a shrink, even if if he was giggling at his stunt.

112 darthstar  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 12:01:16pm

OT: Space Station time line.

i.usatoday.net

Pretty fucking cool.

113 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 12:01:23pm

re: #108 researchok

Va. teacher holds mock slave auction

And a bad day to be the last one picked.
//That is just wrong.

114 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 12:02:43pm

re: #47 wozzablog

i did say media myth. Some people brought the propaganda in the media about a “transformative figure, greatest candidate ever” - i’m not saying it was a huge amount of people.
And no, Democrats didn’t out and out call him the messiah - but the expectations were raised too high and some people voted D on those inflated expectations.

Seriously, I don’t know about that. Sure, Obama had some rockstar bounce, but I do tend to agree that the “OMG, he is the transformative figure of our age!” business was mostly a Republican talking point. Also, a lot of Europeans seem to have bought it, for reasons I don’t fully understand.

115 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 12:03:41pm

re: #61 recusancy

If he vetoed this the government would have shut down and he would have been blamed. Then, after taking a political beating, a worse bill would probably come forward.

It’s amazing to me that Obama is getting the blame for what conservatives are doing.

The problem with being president is that the buck stops there, whether it’s fair or not.

116 researchok  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 12:04:52pm

re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, a lot of Europeans seem to have bought it, for reasons I don’t fully understand.

You are talking about people who drink warm beer. You’ll never understand them.

117 darthstar  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 12:05:14pm

re: #113 Cannadian Club Akbar

And a bad day to be the last one picked.
//That is just wrong.

I saw a study once several years ago that suggested African American students began lagging behind other students after the 4th grade, and attributed that trend to the introduction of slavery in the students’ history classes. I don’t know what happened to that, but it does kind of make sense that kids would react adversely to being treated like property.

118 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 12:05:37pm

re: #62 zora

the rabid left ( firebaggers) stay mad with obama. he won’t satisfy them any more than he can satisfy the teabaggers.

Yeah, but the firebaggers were invariably a write-off. David Aaronovitch wrote a very good piece about the European left, of which he is a proud member, and Obama, back in 08 or early 09. He basically said that we can be as excited about this guy as we want, but being president of the United States means he will do things that will alienate us, sooner, rather than later. Let’s not get into a lather about him as the anti-George Bush, and then spend years wondering how it all went wrong.

119 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 12:07:10pm

re: #116 researchok

You are talking about people who drink warm beer. You’ll never understand them.

Europe is still a rather stratified society, they dream of the day they will bring forth a national politician with a background like Obama’s.

120 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 12:07:29pm

re: #72 Fozzie Bear

The left will run a third-party candidate. That’s my prediction. That’s the risk of moving from center-left to center-right: the left will not just sit there and enjoy their lack of representation.

Yes, they probably will run a third-party candidate. The Greens will, at least. I just don’t envision such a person eating Obama’s lunch, given that Obama still has some rockstar left, and the Republican candidate will probably be woefully awful.

121 researchok  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 12:10:23pm

re: #119 ralphieboy

Europe is still a rather stratified society, they dream of the day they will bring forth a national politician with a background like Obama’s.

They’ll be dreaming forever.

There are no Clinton’s or Obama’s in Euro politics. It has always been an insiders game.

122 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 12:13:33pm

re: #99 avanti

Fox News goes nuts over a J. Crew add with mom having fun painting her 10 year old sons toe nails:

“Yeah, well, it may be fun and games now, Jenna, but at least put some money aside for psychotherapy for the kid—and maybe a little for others who’ll be affected by your “innocent” pleasure.

Gender Identity .

Friend of mine has a small son who worships his big sister and her friends. At a sleep-over, they were doing makeovers, and he demanded to be included. My friend discovered this when his son came running out of sister’s room, with nail polish, lip gloss, glittery eyeshadow and spiky hair, yelling, “I’m fabulous!”

His father laughed so hard that lemonade came out of his nose.

123 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 12:14:17pm

re: #106 zora

the j crew pic is part of the gay agenda. they are so sneaky. /

We will begin with getting women to paint their son’s toenails pink!

124 aagcobb  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 12:14:34pm

re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist

I agree. After 8 years of Clinton centrism, Nader got nearly 3% of the popular vote and gave us Dubya. In the last two elections, he got about half a percent and wasn’t a factor. We have an african-american President who finally gave us near universal health care and who will be running against a foaming-at-the-mouth Republican; I can’t see anyone on the left who could possibly pull enough votes as an independent to give the election to the GOP.

125 iossarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 12:15:29pm

re: #119 ralphieboy

Europe is still a rather stratified society, they dream of the day they will bring forth a national politician with a background like Obama’s.

WTF?

en.wikipedia.org

Who are the working-class heroes in US Politics?

126 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 12:18:31pm

re: #108 researchok

Va. teacher holds mock slave auction

Words fail me.

127 iossarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 12:19:14pm

re: #121 researchok

They’ll be dreaming forever.

There are no Clinton’s or Obama’s in Euro politics. It has always been an insiders game.

Really?

And the statistics you have to back up this sweeping statement are to be found where…?

Of the five last Prime Ministers in the UK, one was the daughter of a grocer and one was the son of a music hall performer.

A female head of state! Imagine that.

128 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 12:20:50pm

re: #86 Fozzie Bear

He should have vetoed and refused to pass a budget that didn’t deal with the deficit. Now the deficit is a blunt instument used to bludgeon him over and over, and it needn’t be. it should have been the other way around.

Is that realistic? There was no proposal from the Democrats in congress to raise taxes. He’d have been asking for something that nobody in his party proposed even back when he was begging them.

You are aware that Obama called on the Democrats in congress to pass the tax hike way back when, right?

129 aagcobb  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 12:29:12pm

re: #128 Obdicut

Exactly. If the President demands something he has no way of getting, that just makes him look weak. The left may be disappointed with the President, but in our divided system of government there simply wasn’t anyway he could match their expectations. You would think that saving the economy from a Depression and passing near universal health care would be enough.

130 kirkspencer  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 12:31:16pm

re: #56 Cannadian Club Akbar

Both cities are very sprawled. I would think it would be more for commuters for work.

Not the argument I’d have made.

See, my reason for not thinking it’s good is because HSR (passenger) competition isn’t the auto (yet), it’s the airline.

While I’ve semi-joked of doing the Disney line (DL to DW), I’ve actually got a serious comparison choice.

New York City to Miami, stops in DC, Atlanta, and Orlando.

NY to Miami is the highest air traffic route (by passenger) in the US. NY-Atlanta and Atlanta-Miami are in the top five, ATL-Orlando is in the top ten, and NY-Orlando is in the top 20. In simple you’re directly competing with a major air route, apples to apples. You’re getting ~1500 miles, which with an average speed (including stops) of 200 mph means 7.5 hours from one end to the other. The non-stop flight time for NYC to Miami is 3 hours, just for a basic comparison.

131 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 12:31:29pm

re: #129 aagcobb

I don’t even care if people think he’s a weak-ass and want more change than he’s bringing.

I just want them to organize and do something. Protest, get local legislation passed, support local progressive candidates, most of all lobby the Democrats in congress to match the GOP’s party lock-step with their own.

Voting for a third party in the election, though, is a wildly dangerous strategy, as those voting for Nader showed.

132 aagcobb  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 12:39:51pm

re: #131 Obdicut

From Teddy Roosevelt to Ross Perot to Ralph Nader, history has shown that 3rd party candidates cannot get elected president.

133 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 12:46:07pm

re: #132 aagcobb

From Teddy Roosevelt to Ross Perot to Ralph Nader, history has shown that 3rd party candidates cannot get elected president.

No, but Ross and Ralph proved that a third party candidate can spell disaster is they’re viewed as an “alternative” to the mainstream party.

134 researchok  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 12:53:49pm

re: #127 iossarian

Really?

And the statistics you have to back up this sweeping statement are to be found where…?

Of the five last Prime Ministers in the UK, one was the daughter of a grocer and one was the son of a music hall performer.

A female head of state! Imagine that.

True, of the UK.

And Greece has been run by two families for how long?

135 iossarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 12:58:43pm

re: #134 researchok

True, of the UK.

And Greece has been run by two families for how long?

Greece =/= Europe.

The idea that American politics is less of a legacy-based system than elsewhere is attractive but, in the absence of hard data to back it up, I would say a bit fanciful. Especially when we’ve just come off a legacy president (and people talk about getting Jeb to run too).

I am ready to be persuaded by data though.

136 iossarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 1:00:03pm

PS, Iceland -> gay head of state. I don’t see that happening in the US any time soon.

137 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 1:03:10pm

re: #136 iossarian

PS, Iceland -> gay head of state. I don’t see that happening in the US any time soon.

Wouldn’t mind an openly gay president. The White House would be absolutely fabulous!

138 aagcobb  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 1:13:19pm

re: #133 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

True, but I don’t see anybody on the left emerging as an attractive alternative to the President.

139 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 1:34:11pm
In addition to programs protecting the environment, programs aimed at boosting energy efficiency for power plants and transportation also were major targets. Energy efficiency and renewable energy were cut by $438 million while fossil energy R&D was reduced by $226 million and nuclear energy funding was cut by $56 million. Funding for high speed rail, all $2.9 billion of it, was zeroed out entirely.

So what then? We throw all pretense out the window and stop acting like we don’t work for the Saudis?

140 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Apr 12, 2011 4:00:59pm

On the original post. Quelle surprise.


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