Kentucky’s ‘Family-Friendly’ Machine Gun Festival, with Neo-Nazis

Family-friendly fascists with serious firepower
Wingnuts • Views: 39,623

In West Point, Kentucky, the Knob Creek Gun Range held its biannual “Machine Gun Shoot” last weekend. Their slogan is, “Nothing brings families together like blowing stuff apart…safely.”

Good old wholesome family fun. With a few neo-Nazis.

I was on site at the Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot fewer than 20 minutes last Saturday before I passed a shaved-head lad with with a Totenkopf death head on his chest. (The Totenkopf was the symbol of the Nazi SS division that ran death camps like Auschwitz during the Holocaust.)

The shirt looked brand new. I took that to mean the kid or whoever gave it to him bought it from one of the dozen or so permitted vendors who openly sold white supremacist merchandise. This included a wide selection of t-shirts and flags bearing symbols popular with racist skinheads and neo-Nazis. (And no, I’m not counting Confederate battle flags.) Also for sale were the race war fantasy novels Hunter and The Turner Diaries by William Pierce, founder of the National Alliance, a notorious hate group. A Friends of the NRA fundraising booth was located within sight of a stall of swastika flags.

Video
Video

Jump to bottom

677 comments
1 Varek Raith  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:21:22pm

I hate 'family-friendly' nazis.

2 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:23:56pm

I had someone who invited me to go down to Knob Creek. I could not because I could not get off from work. Now I am very glad I did not go.

3 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:24:52pm

They might be able to get away with some WWII replica trinkets or flags but the T shirts are over the top. I would guess not many Jews attended.

4 Petero1818  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:25:28pm

Ah...the real America.

5 albusteve  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:26:07pm

not to mention the cost for what amounts to a very short ammogasm

6 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:26:30pm

re: #1 Varek Raith

I hate 'family-friendly' nazis.

As much as you hate Illinois Nazis?

//

7 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:26:50pm

How can you sell Nazi memorabilia at an event that might have WWII veterans attending? What bastards.

That honestly offends me more than the antisemitism. Selling the symbol of the regime that did its damnedest to kill American soldiers.

8 Mocking Jay  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:27:48pm

re: #7 Obdicut

How can you sell Nazi memorabilia at an event that might have WWII veterans attending? What bastards.

That honestly offends me more than the antisemitism. Selling the symbol of the regime that did its damnedest to kill American soldiers.

Well no one accused neo-Nazis of having tact...

9 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:27:48pm
'Family-Friendly'

On the earlier string, I suggested this might refer to the Manson family. The Corleones would also find it a useful and pleasant outing. The Sawney Bean clan might really enjoy it, especially since these shows invariably include cutlery and outdoor cooking as well as guns. It's probably too well-lit for the the Addams family however.

10 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:30:43pm

I challenge the first person to claim it's a First Amendment Right........ try walking into Disneyland with a swastika on your tee-shirt.

11 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:32:59pm

“Nothing brings families together like blowing stuff apart…safely.”

I thought that was the Mythbusters slogan...

12 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:33:48pm

re: #11 jamesfirecat

“Nothing brings families together like blowing stuff apart…safely.”

I thought that was the Mythbusters slogan...

No, I'm pretty sure theirs is "Oh My God, RUN!"

13 Petero1818  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:34:03pm

Just as troubling that the stuff was being sold is the fact that there are not a bunch of people standing around calling the vendor an asshole.

14 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:34:28pm

Rand Paul's Kentucky homies ...

15 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:34:45pm

re: #7 Obdicut
WWII vets who have this shoulder patch would really be pissed.

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

16 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:42:02pm

Here's something from 2009.

Scenes From the Real America
By David Weigel | 04.06.09 | 10:54 am

I spent Saturday at the bi-annual Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot, right outside of Louisville, Ky. Gun enthusiasts of all stripes were there — from the National Rifle Association and sportsmen to militia members to white supremacists and Obama birthers. Here’s a collection of choice photos from the show (after the jump)...

Image: 3417319928_ed71570bb2.jpg

Image: 3417315394_1c408b91cb.jpg

Image: 3416512757_72f1d6117e.jpg

17 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:42:27pm

Immediately, reading this event I think of the 8 year old killed by the kickback of his "oh let's have fun with an Uzi"

MSNBC Video

Idiots. And there's some psychology about the power of the gun in there. (yes, left wingnut)

18 prairiefire  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:42:59pm

re: #9 Shiplord Kirel

On the earlier string, I suggested this might refer to the Manson family. The Corleones would also find it a useful and pleasant outing. The Sawney Bean clan might really enjoy it, especially since these shows invariably include cutlery and outdoor cooking as well as guns. It's probably too well-lit for the the Addams family however.

The Addams family are far too classy for an event like this.

19 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:44:04pm

One of each, on my charge!
///

20 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:45:04pm

re: #19 Floral Giraffe
LOL

21 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:46:41pm

re: #17 Stanley Sea

Immediately, reading this event I think of the 8 year old killed by the kickback of his "oh let's have fun with an Uzi"

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Idiots. And there's some psychology about the power of the gun in there. (yes, left wingnut)

That's horrible.

Even trained professionals can have mishaps.

Youtube Video
22 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:47:50pm

It was very hard to dispose of an AK-47 in California last year. I didn't want to just have it melted down, it was a family members special thing. Toy or whatever. It was a total PITA to dispose of it, legally. But, it got done. No thanks to rednecks, as in these viseos.

23 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:47:58pm

re: #21 Mr Pancakes

Diminishes it yeah. But upding.

24 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:48:37pm

re: #8 JasonA

Well no one accused neo-Nazis of having tact...

Or brains.

25 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:49:35pm

For those who are a bit curious about the shoulder patch, it represented the Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Forces during WWII. For those who want more information here is their website. [Link: www.shaef.org...]

26 researchok  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:52:34pm

It's the Nazi version of a Demolition Derby.

Sickos.

27 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:52:53pm

Hey, i didn't know CPAC was held in Knob Creek this year! Oh, my bad, that's not CPAC.

28 researchok  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:55:35pm

re: #16 Gus 802

Here's something from 2009.

Scenes From the Real America
By David Weigel | 04.06.09 | 10:54 am

Image: 3417319928_ed71570bb2.jpg

Image: 3417315394_1c408b91cb.jpg

Image: 3416512757_72f1d6117e.jpg

I'd say something vicious and violent, but my comment would get deleted.

Please imagine the most vicious and violent remark directed at these Nazi SOB losers.

29 Petero1818  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:55:38pm

re: #7 Obdicut

How can you sell Nazi memorabilia at an event that might have WWII veterans attending? What bastards.

That honestly offends me more than the antisemitism. Selling the symbol of the regime that did its damnedest to kill American soldiers.

I am just guessing, but I think the average neo nazi has little sympathy for the American military, after all, it is made up 40% of visible minorities, and therefore, for most of these pricks, it is as much a target as the local B'nai Brith.

30 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:56:34pm

I just watched the videos. I cannot stomach that shit. Unbelievable.

31 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:56:54pm

Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

32 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:57:56pm

re: #7 Obdicut

How can you sell Nazi memorabilia at an event that might have WWII veterans attending? What bastards.

That honestly offends me more than the antisemitism. Selling the symbol of the regime that did its damnedest to kill American soldiers.

Agreed. Knob Creek is a good event, and lots of families do enjoy it. But it's organizers need to help keep it family friendly by keeping the fascists out.

33 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:58:17pm

In the second video I said soon as they started firing, "Short bursts, you morons! You're wasting ammo and you'll damage the barrel."

On a sort of related note, I used to love playing the game, Squad Leader. As you can see from the picture in the Wikipedia article it has Waffen SS troops on the cover. When transporting the game I kept it well hidden in a backpack. I didn't want to get tarred with the Nazi brush.

34 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 6:59:27pm

re: #28 researchok

I'd say something vicious and violent, but my comment would get deleted.

Please imagine the most vicious and violent remark directed at these Nazi SOB losers.

I think no one will care what you say about these scum sucking vermin here on LGF.

I'm a bigot when it comes to Nazis.

35 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:01:49pm

re: #32 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. Knob Creek is a good event, and lots of families do enjoy it. But it's organizers need to help keep it family friendly by keeping the fascists out.

Exactly

36 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:02:11pm

I think the "neo-nazi' thing is actually sort of an artificial distinction when you'rre talking about racism in the south, I know there's REAL NEO NAZIS too,m don't get me wrong

but "neo-nazi" has this sort of70's 80's almost jokey connotation, like they're all the marchers in Blues Brothers chasing Jake and Elwood in their pinto, or being made fun of by Weird Al.

it seems to me it's just more of a smooth grade of white supremacism and general tribalist xenophobia, and it's families and moms and dads and kids and not just Illinois Nazis in SS uniforms with flags.

37 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:02:27pm

re: #7 Obdicut

How can you sell Nazi memorabilia at an event that might have WWII veterans attending? What bastards.

That honestly offends me more than the antisemitism. Selling the symbol of the regime that did its damnedest to kill American soldiers.

QFT & Thank you.

38 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:03:02pm

I knew a few people who to go this event who are not Neo-Nazi's. They just really like to shoot big guns and this is one of the few events in which it is legal to do so.

We need more gun-nuts to separate themselves from the Nazi's image.

I see a dangerous image getting mixed-up with our 2nd Amendment rights and I don't like it.

39 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:03:36pm

re: #28 researchok

I'd say something vicious and violent, but my comment would get deleted.

Please imagine the most vicious and violent remark directed at these Nazi SOB losers.

for every guy who has the guts to sell or wear something like that, there's hundreds more who simply silently agree and look for all the world like aw shucks suburbanites

I met a few of em...until my parents told me I couldn't hang out with their kids anymore because they were creepy racist psychos :)

40 God of Binders with Women  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:03:58pm

Second Amendment solutions!!!!
///

41 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:04:56pm

First of all, what did that truck ever do to them? And finally, why weren't more people/families there, pissed off about all this Nazi crap?

42 researchok  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:06:24pm

re: #34 Mr Pancakes

I think no one will care what you say about these scum sucking vermin here on LGF.

I'm a bigot when it comes to Nazis.

My kind of people

43 Petero1818  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:06:38pm

re: #41 Cankles McCellulite

That my friend is the $64000 question.

44 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:06:38pm

re: #41 Cankles McCellulite

First of all, what did that truck ever do to them? And finally, why weren't more people/families there, pissed off about all this Nazi crap?

We don't know the whole story...... maybe there were.

45 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:06:45pm

re: #5 albusteve

not to mention the cost for what amounts to a very short ammogasm

Don't much mind that--people like to have fun shooting stuff.

It's just that I can't help wondering what they're imagining they're shooting.

Wonder how many people showed up thinking it would be 'family friendly' indeed, saw some of the booths and told the kids they'd be going to the waterslides instead.

46 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:06:54pm

re: #38 ggt

I knew a few people who to go this event who are not Neo-Nazi's. They just really like to shoot big guns and this is one of the few events in which it is legal to do so.

We need more gun-nuts to separate themselves from the Nazi's image.

I see a dangerous image getting mixed-up with our 2nd Amendment rights and I don't like it.

I like to shoot big guns! My hippie friends and I like big guns. We're Oregonians, after all. We blow all hell out of all kinds of a thing.

But not with anyone at an event, CERTAINLY not with anyone I don't know. I do it with my friends, in the mountains, legally, far away from NRA GUN CULTURE PEOPLE, christ I fucking hate that stuff. And when i hate peoples' behavior, i sure don't want to be near them when they're discharging firearms.

Walking into (most) gun stores, my skin would craw off my body, all the oily testosterone and posturing and shit, yech

47 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:06:57pm

re: #38 ggt

I knew a few people who to go this event who are not Neo-Nazi's. They just really like to shoot big guns and this is one of the few events in which it is legal to do so.

We need more gun-nuts to separate themselves from the Nazi's image.

I see a dangerous image getting mixed-up with our 2nd Amendment rights and I don't like it.

I think that the organizers don't want to decrease their attendees (boot the men selling Nazi shirts and other racists will take that as a sign they aren't welcome and flounce). I understand that impulse but its like things were at LGF in 2009: If you don't get rid of the people spewing Bad Craziness, they'll turn your blog or event to shit.

48 researchok  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:07:19pm

re: #41 Cankles McCellulite

First of all, what did that truck ever do to them? And finally, why weren't more people/families there, pissed off about all this Nazi crap?

Birds of a feather and all that.

As well as those who might be offended who turn a blind eye.

49 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:09:15pm

re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist

Don't much mind that--people like to have fun shooting stuff.

It's just that I can't help wondering what they're imagining they're shooting.

Wonder how many people showed up thinking it would be 'family friendly' indeed, saw some of the booths and told the kids they'd be going to the waterslides instead.

yeha, it ain't the guns, it's this: it's the gun event as a dogwhistle, as sort of the honey to the militia creepy separatist bees, nazi NRA fanatic Alex jones, just all that vibe, all those uneducated gun-nut people who have these ideas and suspicions all in their head?

This is the kind of event I would deisgn to attract such people

50 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:11:36pm

re: #16 Gus 802

Here's something from 2009.

Scenes From the Real America
By David Weigel | 04.06.09 | 10:54 am

Image: 3417319928_ed71570bb2.jpg

Image: 3417315394_1c408b91cb.jpg

Image: 3416512757_72f1d6117e.jpg

Oh. Yeah. The 'Real America'.

Fuck.

I must say, though, that I am intrigued by the combination of items praising Hitler and items denouncing Obama as Hitler.

Is this just cognitive dissonance on a huge level, or is there a pro-Hitler and anti-Hitler division going on here, and the two groups just ignore each other and carry on shooting?

51 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:13:06pm

re: #48 researchok

Birds of a feather and all that.

As well as those who might be offended who turn a blind eye.

or they're in between, not really offended, probably either agree, or have their own racisms so they just can't be bothered.

Most racism in America is the look the other way as the black guy gets beat up or fired or rumors spread about him or doesn't get the mortgage kind, the gladhanding between guys at the office who are "the right sort of people" against the minority. If all we had were Nazi Hitler live-in-a-trailer-and-sell-SS-geegaws sorts of racists, America would be great, because those guys are always obvious morons and have no real critical thinking skills

52 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:13:31pm

re: #50 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh. Yeah. The 'Real America'.

Fuck.

I must say, though, that I am intrigued by the combination of items praising Hitler and items denouncing Obama as Hitler.

Is this just cognitive dissonance on a huge level, or is there a pro-Hitler and anti-Hitler division going on here, and the two groups just ignore each other and carry on shooting?

They're stupid people who want attention, I think that's as far as it goes :D

53 Petero1818  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:14:04pm

re: #50 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh. Yeah. The 'Real America'.

Fuck.

I must say, though, that I am intrigued by the combination of items praising Hitler and items denouncing Obama as Hitler.

Is this just cognitive dissonance on a huge level, or is there a pro-Hitler and anti-Hitler division going on here, and the two groups just ignore each other and carry on shooting?

No, you just don't get it. They love Hitler. They are pissed that a black man is the new Hitler. Its just another thing they feel they have lost to integration.//

54 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:14:15pm

re: #50 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh. Yeah. The 'Real America'.

Fuck.

I must say, though, that I am intrigued by the combination of items praising Hitler and items denouncing Obama as Hitler.

Is this just cognitive dissonance on a huge level, or is there a pro-Hitler and anti-Hitler division going on here, and the two groups just ignore each other and carry on shooting?

Right. And what's a book called "Hitler's propaganda book" doing at this gun event? 1st Amendment right? And they have it packaged with a label calling Hitler "our dear leader?"

There's no excuse. This has been going on since at least 2006. The organizers already know this shit is going on. And those recent Nazi t-shirts aren't "memorabilia" by any means.

55 jaunte  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:15:02pm

re: #52 WindUpBird

They're stupid people who want attention, I think that's as far as it goes :D

I'm sure part of the thinking is "Oh, swastikas and skulls. Bad ass."

56 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:15:13pm

re: #53 Petero1818

No, you just don't get it. They love Hitler. They are pissed that a black man is the new Hitler. Its just another thing they feel they have lost to integration.//

//Don't call him Hilter, nobody gave you the right to do that, that's our word!

57 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:15:14pm

COSMA put up a video featuring David Duke this week. We expected them to take it down within days not weeks. Not years. This goes on at Knob Creek since 2006 and we're supposed to say what?

58 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:15:21pm

re: #38 ggt

I knew a few people who to go this event who are not Neo-Nazi's. They just really like to shoot big guns and this is one of the few events in which it is legal to do so.

We need more gun-nuts to separate themselves from the Nazi's image.

I see a dangerous image getting mixed-up with our 2nd Amendment rights and I don't like it.

T-shirts. They need T-shirts.

I'M A SANE GUN ENTHUSIAST FOR THE SECOND AMENDMENT

NAZIS SUCK, AND I LIKE BIG GUNS

NOT RACIST, JUST BALLISTIC

MY MOM SUPPORTS THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY T-SHIRT BECAUSE SHE WON'T BUY ME THE BABY SS ONESIE

59 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:16:26pm

re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist

T-shirts. They need T-shirts.

I'M A SANE GUN ENTHUSIAST FOR THE SECOND AMENDMENT

NAZIS SUCK, AND I LIKE BIG GUNS

NOT RACIST, JUST BALLISTIC

MY MOM SUPPORTS THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY T-SHIRT BECAUSE SHE WON'T BUY ME THE BABY SS ONESIE

They wear onesies with gun logos.
Don't be afraid, they're wearing onesies!

60 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:16:29pm

re: #50 SanFranciscoZionist

I wonder about that as well. Some can't seem to decide if Hitler is a monster or a misunderstood genius hero.

61 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:17:39pm

re: #60 Cankles McCellulite

I wonder about that as well. Some can't seem to decide if Hitler is a monster or a misunderstood genius hero.

I go with Option C: An absolute moron with the gift of gab.

62 celticdragon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:18:03pm

re: #33 Romantic Heretic

In the second video I said soon as they started firing, "Short bursts, you morons! You're wasting ammo and you'll damage the barrel."

On a sort of related note, I used to love playing the game, Squad Leader. As you can see from the picture in the Wikipedia article it has Waffen SS troops on the cover. When transporting the game I kept it well hidden in a backpack. I didn't want to get tarred with the Nazi brush.

I used to play Squad Leader as well. Panzer leader and Panzer Blitz were my favorites though.

63 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:18:16pm

re: #41 Cankles McCellulite

First of all, what did that truck ever do to them? And finally, why weren't more people/families there, pissed off about all this Nazi crap?

I'd imagine that some people left, and others hung around the sno-cone booth and the NRA table with the Eddie the Eagle coloring books and focused on what they were there for.

But it's a crying shame those booths were allowed to operate, and it seems like this was not an unexpected thing--they've had at least a couple of years to establish guidelines for vendors and presenters.

I can't get a good sense of how big a part of the event this is, but it's clearly entrenched, and NOT subtle.

64 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:19:23pm

re: #46 WindUpBird

I like to shoot big guns! My hippie friends and I like big guns. We're Oregonians, after all. We blow all hell out of all kinds of a thing.

But not with anyone at an event, CERTAINLY not with anyone I don't know. I do it with my friends, in the mountains, legally, far away from NRA GUN CULTURE PEOPLE, christ I fucking hate that stuff. And when i hate peoples' behavior, i sure don't want to be near them when they're discharging firearms.

Walking into (most) gun stores, my skin would craw off my body, all the oily testosterone and posturing and shit, yech

I've had pretty good luck with gun stores. Gun shows can get a little freaky.

66 God of Binders with Women  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:20:23pm

You know those people that have every bumper sticker imaginable plastered on their vehicles? Well, the other day I saw a "Real American" with the usual "Impeach Obama," "where's The Birth Certificate?" "Fire Pelosi," etc. Well, along with that, and the 12-gauge shotgun against the rear view window (you can do that here in Texas), he had "Gun control is shooting straight," and "Take my guns, lose your life." I took the next available exit.

68 Linden Arden  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:20:55pm

Wow, and I thought music or a cook-off would bring people together.

I am such a dipshit I guess. A gun rally really is the Jesus thing to do.

69 celticdragon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:21:17pm

re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist

T-shirts. They need T-shirts.

I'M A SANE GUN ENTHUSIAST FOR THE SECOND AMENDMENT

NAZIS SUCK, AND I LIKE BIG GUNS

NOT RACIST, JUST BALLISTIC

MY MOM SUPPORTS THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY T-SHIRT BECAUSE SHE WON'T BUY ME THE BABY SS ONESIE

I loved shooting machine guns, like the M2 .50 cal and the Mk-19 grenade launcher when I was in the army. I love shooting my Brown Bess musket as well as my Tommy Gun and my SKS.

I do not want to go shooting recreationally around neo-fucking Nazis...and I will stop there since I don't want to say something that will get me banned.

70 researchok  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:21:23pm

OT: Worst Best Man.

Youtube Video
71 jaunte  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:21:38pm

At the Knob Creek shoot:

A life-size cutout of Secretary of State Hilary Clinton stands at attention with the words "Great target" hand scrawled across its $25.00 price tag. Conservative gun enthusiasts still harbor feelings of resentment toward the Federal Government for grievances such as the Clinton-era assault weapons ban, Ruby Ridge, and Waco.
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
72 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:21:49pm

re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist

T-shirts. They need T-shirts.

I'M A SANE GUN ENTHUSIAST FOR THE SECOND AMENDMENT

NAZIS SUCK, AND I LIKE BIG GUNS

NOT RACIST, JUST BALLISTIC

MY MOM SUPPORTS THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY T-SHIRT BECAUSE SHE WON'T BUY ME THE BABY SS ONESIE

Loves it. As for the Obama hate (hate, not simple dislike), how about this one:

THE PRESIDENT IS HALF-BLACK AND HE HAS A FOREIGN NAME! WE'RE DOOMED!!!111

73 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:22:04pm

re: #5 albusteve

not to mention the cost for what amounts to a very short ammogasm

ammogasm--I missed that.

good word!

74 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:22:07pm

Test

Check this out.

[Link: www.widedesktopwallpapers.net...]

75 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:22:49pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

Loves it. As for the Obama hate (hate, not simple dislike), how about this one:

Bad idea Dark, people will wear it seriously, or take it seriously, and Poe's law will strike again...

76 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:22:54pm

re: #62 celticdragon

I used to play Squad Leader as well. Panzer leader and Panzer Blitz were my favorites though.

I played Steel Panthers. I also liked Matrix Games WWII strategic games.

77 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:23:26pm

re: #75 jamesfirecat

Bad idea Dark, people will wear it seriously, or take it seriously, and Poe's law will strike again...

Good point.

78 celticdragon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:23:54pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

Loves it. As for the Obama hate (hate, not simple dislike), how about this one:

LOL!

79 celticdragon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:24:26pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

I played Steel Panthers. I also liked Matrix Games WWII strategic games.

I miss Avalon Hill.

80 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:24:34pm

re: #46 WindUpBird

I like to shoot big guns! My hippie friends and I like big guns. We're Oregonians, after all. We blow all hell out of all kinds of a thing.

But not with anyone at an event, CERTAINLY not with anyone I don't know. I do it with my friends, in the mountains, legally, far away from NRA GUN CULTURE PEOPLE, christ I fucking hate that stuff. And when i hate peoples' behavior, i sure don't want to be near them when they're discharging firearms.

Walking into (most) gun stores, my skin would craw off my body, all the oily testosterone and posturing and shit, yech

Out in the midwest, it's the only big-gun event I hear about. I think most of the non-whacko's simply ignore the nazi's. I think they silently hate them, but are very aware of 1st Amendment rights and sometimes wish there was a legal way of denying them to the nazi's.

Remember how many gun-nuts are veterans and have family that fought the nazi's.

I've decided the don't deserve a capital N.

81 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:25:08pm

From The Militia Movement -- Extremism in America

Perhaps recognizing the decline that has taken place in the past several years, a number of militia leaders have taken steps to rejuvenate the movement. They have been aided by the fact that, though the number of militia groups has declined, they have not declined evenly. In many areas of the country, the militia movement remains as strong, or nearly as strong, as it was at its height. In particular, the Midwest remains a source of active and fairly large militia groups. In Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois and Kentucky, active militia regularly meet and train. Perhaps the most active militia group in the country recently is the Kentucky State Militia, led by Charlie Puckett. The KSM has benefited from hosting twice-annual militia gatherings during the Knob Creek, Kentucky, machine-gun shoots. At the April 2001 event, the KSM even managed to attract two Kentucky state legislators to address the attendees, despite the fact that the KSM Web site had urged readers to "track down" a fellow legislator and "bring plenty of ammo." In a letter to followers after the weekend event, Puckett told supporters that the recent meeting "was a fantastic success, and in many ways marked a critical turning point for the efforts of the militia movement in resecuring for ourselves and our descendants the ideals of liberty...bequeathed to us as our birthright."

82 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:25:18pm

re: #47 Dark_Falcon

I think that the organizers don't want to decrease their attendees (boot the men selling Nazi shirts and other racists will take that as a sign they aren't welcome and flounce). I understand that impulse but its like things were at LGF in 2009: If you don't get rid of the people spewing Bad Craziness, they'll turn your blog or event to shit.

I don't know the answer.

83 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:26:07pm

re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist

To me, this is just so unacceptable and shocking, i guess i expected to hear somewhere, in the background of that first video, an indignant southern mother in the background yell "WHAT THE HELL? OH HELL NO! SCOOTER, GET THE VAN, WERE TAKIN' THE KIDS TO DOLLYWOOD!

84 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:26:14pm

re: #80 ggt

Out in the midwest, it's the only big-gun event I hear about. I think most of the non-whacko's simply ignore the nazi's. I think they silently hate them, but are very aware of 1st Amendment rights and sometimes wish there was a legal way of denying them to the nazi's.

Remember how many gun-nuts are veterans and have family that fought the nazi's.

I've decided the don't deserve a capital N.

It's a private event, no? Easy enough to shut down problem vendors.

85 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:27:10pm

re: #77 Dark_Falcon

Good point.

You want something more like

I HAVE NOTICEABLY DISAGREEMENTS WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA OVER THE POSSIBLE 3% DEFACTO TAX HIKES FOR INCOME OVER 250K HE SUPPORTS HOWEVER I AM CERTAIN HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII AND IS OUR DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT WHO AS SUCH As A RIGHT TO PROMOTE SUCH POLICIES EVEN THOUGH I FEAR THEY MAY ENDANGER OUR SHAKY RECOVERY DESPITE HOW MUCH THEY WOULD HELP REDUCE THE DEFICIT!

86 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:27:10pm

re: #83 Cankles McCellulite

To me, this is just so unacceptable and shocking, i guess i expected to hear somewhere, in the background of that first video, an indignant southern mother in the background yell "WHAT THE HELL? OH HELL NO! SCOOTER, GET THE VAN, WERE TAKIN' THE KIDS TO DOLLYWOOD!

I'm sure someone uttered those words at some point during the day--or a close facsimile.

87 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:27:12pm

Before Trial Can Begin, Militia Leader Disappears

Charlie Puckett, one of the leading figures in the anti-government militia movement, vanished from his Garrard County, Kentucky, home on March 14, 2002, where he had been awaiting trial on a nine-count federal indictment. Prior to his disappearance, Puckett e-mailed supporters a "Last Testament" in which he alleged persecution by the government and announced his intention to become a fugitive...

Puckett has been one of the militia movement's most active leaders in recent years, conducting paramilitary training in Kentucky and neighboring states, as well as hosting national gatherings for militia members near Knob Creek, Kentucky. He has also urged militia supporters to be more active. In a July 2001 shortwave broadcast, for example, Puckett urged followers to talk to friends, neighbors, and even strangers about the dangers of the "New World Order." However, he also urged people to know "where every socialist lives, works, etc.," and said that "sooner or later, they will need a big hug and kiss as in Waco."

88 celticdragon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:27:52pm

re: #73 ggt

ammogasm--I missed that.

good word!

Sounds like the "Civil Wargasm" from "Confederates in the Attic."

Awesome book, and every lizard should read it.

Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Tony Horwitz returned from years of traipsing through war zones as a foreign correspondent only to find that his childhood obsession with the Civil War had caught up with him. Near his house in Virginia, he happened to encounter people who reenact the Civil War--men who dress up in period costumes and live as Johnny Rebs and Billy Yanks. Intrigued, he wound up having some odd adventures with the "hardcores," the fellows who try to immerse themselves in the war, hoping to get what they lovingly term a "period rush." Horwitz spent two years reporting on why Americans are still so obsessed with the war, and the ways in which it resonates today. In the course of his work, he made a sobering side trip to cover a murder that was provoked by the display of the Confederate flag, and he spoke to a number of people seeking to honor their ancestors who fought for the Confederacy. Horwitz has a flair for odd details that spark insights, and Confederates in the Attic is a thoughtful and entertaining book that does much to explain America's continuing obsession with the Civil War.

89 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:28:03pm

re: #80 ggt

I think they silently hate them, but are very aware of 1st Amendment rights and sometimes wish there was a legal way of denying them to the nazi's.

Unless this is a government event ........ they can deny anyone..... the fault lies with the organizers.

90 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:28:17pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

I played Steel Panthers. I also liked Matrix Games WWII strategic games.

Youtube Video
91 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:28:24pm

re: #83 Cankles McCellulite

To me, this is just so unacceptable and shocking, i guess i expected to hear somewhere, in the background of that first video, an indignant southern mother in the background yell "WHAT THE HELL? OH HELL NO! SCOOTER, GET THE VAN, WERE TAKIN' THE KIDS TO DOLLYWOOD!

Unlikely. She and her family have come a long way to this event and already paid for admission. Her husband has been wanting to do this for years. So she's going to keep the kid's eyes away from the Nazis and gt on with it.

92 Petero1818  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:28:36pm

re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist

It's a private event, no? Easy enough to shut down problem vendors.

Exactly right. which is why you cant wear a shirt with a Swastika into Disney World, even if Walt was an anti semite. The organizers could easily stop this. No harm to anyone's rights.

93 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:28:40pm

re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist

T-shirts. They need T-shirts.

I'M A SANE GUN ENTHUSIAST FOR THE SECOND AMENDMENT

NAZIS SUCK, AND I LIKE BIG GUNS

NOT RACIST, JUST BALLISTIC

MY MOM SUPPORTS THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY T-SHIRT BECAUSE SHE WON'T BUY ME THE BABY SS ONESIE

Honestly, I think the best way is to include your non-white friends in gun education and shooting events.

Bring a larger more diverse base to the NRA.

The NRA seems to try to do so, but I can't decide if they are paying lip-service or truly don't know how to connect.

The one NRA convention I attended was an eye-opener. There were a lot more minorities than I expected--normal middle class people--WHOA! No gangster-wannabes. More hispanic than AA. But, still not enough.

94 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:29:59pm

re: #85 jamesfirecat

No, I don't. I've got a serious problem with Obama's economic plans. That said, he's put a plan on the table and so has Paul Ryan. Now, let the wrangling begin.

95 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:30:10pm

Hate Crime and Hate Incidents in the Commonwealth of Kentucky
Compiled by the Justice & Safety Center at Eastern Kentucky University on behalf of the Kentucky Justice & Public Safety Cabinet

Table 5.4: Extremist Events in Kentucky, 2003

Date: 4/11/2003-4/13/2003
Location: West Point
Event: Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot
Description: Machine gun festival that is accompanied by a militia encampment

Interesting.

96 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:31:38pm

And reposting:

The shoot has been a magnet for extremists since at least the mid-1990s, when militia leaders organized recruitment drives in the festival campground and leadership summits in nearby motels. (The event began in 1979.) Militia literature for sale at the shoot this spring included copies of the U.S. Militiaman's Handbook, a step-by-step guide for "R-2," the second American Revolution.

"When municipal, township, county, or local area law enforcement agents attack or seek to confine or control the U.S. Militia or its individual members, those agencies should be totally eliminated in the initial attack," it advises. "Do not allow any law enforcement agents to escape. Kill them all."

They are selling a book that advises the murder of law enforcement.

How is that legal? It's not legal to advocate murder, is it?

97 b_sharp  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:31:40pm

re: #85 jamesfirecat

You want something more like

I HAVE NOTICEABLY DISAGREEMENTS WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA OVER THE POSSIBLE 3% DEFACTO TAX HIKES FOR INCOME OVER 250K HE SUPPORTS HOWEVER I AM CERTAIN HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII AND IS OUR DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT WHO AS SUCH As A RIGHT TO PROMOTE SUCH POLICIES EVEN THOUGH I FEAR THEY MAY ENDANGER OUR SHAKY RECOVERY DESPITE HOW MUCH THEY WOULD HELP REDUCE THE DEFICIT!

Stop yelling.

98 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:32:11pm

re: #94 Dark_Falcon

Ryan has yet to come up with a plan. He has a piece of fiction. It depend on unreal numbers. It is incongruent with reality.

99 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:32:25pm

I'm just asking questions and reporting what I find online. ;)

100 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:33:00pm

re: #95 Gus 802

I disagree with the characterization of Knob Creek as "Extremist".

101 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:33:51pm

re: #100 Dark_Falcon

I disagree with the characterization of Knob Creek as "Extremist".

Take it up with the Justice & Safety Center at Eastern Kentucky University.

102 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:33:55pm

re: #98 Obdicut

Ryan has yet to come up with a plan. He has a piece of fiction. It depend on unreal numbers. It is incongruent with reality.

Hey be nice to Dark, Hitler had a plan for how he could invade Russia starting in late June and be done before Winder set in.

He worked very hard on it to!

Where does it say that a "series of actionable items" has to be congruent with reality for it to be a plan?

103 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:34:05pm

re: #89 Mr Pancakes

Unless this is a government event ... they can deny anyone... the fault lies with the organizers.

I know, but groups like the Neo-nazi's are good at using the propaganda. I can see the headlines. "Gun-Nuts deny civil rights." No one will see anything but that. They won't read further than to realize the gun-nuts hate nazi's.

I think the gun-nuts are cautious of any negative publicity.

104 b_sharp  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:34:12pm

re: #100 Dark_Falcon

I disagree with the characterization of Knob Creek as "Extremist".

Why?

105 jaunte  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:34:28pm

re: #99 Gus 802

'Memorabilia'
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
'Heritage'
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

106 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:34:54pm

I'm not exactly a gun nut, but I do appreciate firearms, and I think that anyone who isn't a criminal or a lunatic should be able to own as many of whatever kind they want -- to an extent. You're not going to find me arguing in favor of your right to attach an M61 Vulcan to your dual-cab Dodge Compensator, for instance. But all this fuss over "semi-automatic" this and "high-capacity" that is just amazingly infuriating bullshit.

People that are in favor of "gun control" almost always zero in on utterly nonsensical cosmetic or mechanical traits of certain firearms. Bayonet lugs, muzzle breaks, flash suppressors, pistol grip stocks, large-capacity magazines, and other irrelevant crap. As far as I can tell, this is because the people making and supporting these laws generally learned everything they know about firearms from TV and movies -- and that also includes lots of anti-gun law enforcement officials I've heard over the years. Along that line, it bears reiterating that Michael Moore is an asshole.

I've been to a few (not many) gun shows and to all kinds of firing ranges, and while I've never encountered any neo-Nazis or militia types, I have met an uncomfortably large number of stereotype-reinforcing rednecks who, in my estimation, have no business driving a car, much less owning a firearm.

This article at Daily Kos is spot-on, and I wish more left-of-crazy types would come around to this way of thinking.

107 celticdragon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:35:08pm

re: #95 Gus 802

Description: Machine gun festival that is accompanied by a militia encampment

WTF??

I have been to plenty of militia encampments. They involve 18th century military tents, Rev War period weapons and dutch oven cooking. I think my militia is lot more fun.

108 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:36:09pm

re: #105 jaunte

'Memorabilia'
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
'Heritage'
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

There's that Confederate flag again! I gave that other guy a pass because I'm a little more flexible with reenactors -- if that's all he is.

109 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:37:05pm

re: #103 ggt

I know, but groups like the Neo-nazi's are good at using the propaganda. I can see the headlines. "Gun-Nuts deny civil rights." No one will see anything but that. They won't read further than to realize the gun-nuts hate nazi's.

I think the gun-nuts are cautious of any negative publicity.

They are a fringe group......... to those that want to defend them.... let them be exposed also. Can't think of too many that would want to jump on that bandwagon.

110 Linden Arden  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:37:16pm

How could anyone 45-55 like Ryan's plan?

You continue to pay full Medicare tax freight up until you turn 65 and then Medicare is pulled away for a discount voucher for private insurance.

Its DOA of course, but if the Dems don't campaign against it they are fools (again).

111 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:37:53pm

Neo-nazi's are like a gang.

Aren't there special laws for that type of thing.

I guess, they'd have to be caught commiting an organized crime.

I have to read more on the SPL Center. So much to learn, so little time.

112 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:38:36pm

I attended a WWII re-enactment. The Germans explained, carefully, that they were not doing this for love of all things Nazi, but because somebody had to be the Germans, or there would be no re-enactment.

Also, the group that converted over (they had been Americans previously) got invited to all the re-enactments they could handle because there are so few German troops. Most American groups have fewer opportunities.

Their German pin-up posters were a hoot.

113 Linden Arden  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:39:06pm

re: #106 negativ

The anti-handgun lobby is small. President Obama wisely ignores it.

114 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:39:48pm

re: #112 EmmmieG

Also, "we" were eating C-rations in tents, and the Germans cooked an actual sausage-and-potato-and-fresh bread dinner and got to live in the bunkers. (It was at an old US army base.)

115 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:39:58pm

Kentucky: Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot
Posted on April 12, 2010 by Hunter Wallace

As several of you know, I spent the weekend on the road in Kentucky at the Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot, which bills itself as “The World’s Largest Machine Gun Shoot and Military Gun Show”. We had a blast. I snapped lots of photos and shot about thirty seconds of video.

Knob Creek has a reputation as a bastion of implicit whiteness. I traveled to Kentucky expecting to find a predominantly White, largely Tea Party conservative crowd; the sort of people who are the most vocal supporters of the NRA and Second Amendment. To my surprise, I found a more eclectic mix of gun enthusiasts and Far Right types, including White Nationalists.

First impression: the Gadsden Flag was everywhere in sight; on backpacks, on hats and t-shirts, flying from trucks and SUVs, hanging from booths, being carried around by children. The Confederate flag was equally ubiquitous. In fact, I saw more Gadsden and Confederate flags at Knob Creek than American flags. Always an encouraging sign!

Continues.

116 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:39:59pm

re: #112 EmmmieG

I attended a WWII re-enactment. The Germans explained, carefully, that they were not doing this for love of all things Nazi, but because somebody had to be the Germans, or there would be no re-enactment.

Also, the group that converted over (they had been Americans previously) got invited to all the re-enactments they could handle because there are so few German troops. Most American groups have fewer opportunities.

Their German pin-up posters were a hoot.

I always thought the re-enactments were a way to keep history alive.

I have friends who used to do the Civil War ones. They also did presentations at schools and such on Civil War history in our area. Very cool really, there was a lot more in Northern Illinois that I ever knew.

117 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:40:33pm

Whistling with my hands in my pockets while kicking up some dirt.

//

118 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:40:57pm

re: #117 Gus 802

Whistling with my hands in my pockets while kicking up some dirt.

//


So vacuum already.

119 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:41:10pm

re: #110 Linden Arden

Plus it drops the top marginal rate from 35% to 25%. How ANYONE can consider that a sane idea when the primary issue is ostensibly the deficit is beyond me.

The Ryan plan is infantile. It is insane. It will do exactly the opposite of reduce the deficit.

120 Petero1818  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:41:36pm

The group that organizes the event is the Knob Creek Gun Range. On its home page is a banner that reads:

"celebrate Diversity, Buy as many guns as you can - Over 1600 in stock."

I think it's pretty clear where their sympathies lie, and what clientele they are hoping to attract.

121 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:41:42pm

re: #92 Petero1818

Exactly right. which is why you cant wear a shirt with a Swastika into Disney World, even if Walt was an anti semite. The organizers could easily stop this. No harm to anyone's rights.

I'll tell you what..... you upding my #10 and I'll upding your #92

/

122 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:41:52pm

Bluegrass Country
Posted on December 11, 2010 by John Pelham

As I suspected, there were plenty of explicit Whites on the ground at Knob Creek mingling with militia types and Tea Party supporters. We met up with a local White Advocate in Louisville and enjoyed drinking a few beers before heading back to Virginia.

123 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:42:01pm

re: #102 jamesfirecat

Downding for the Godwin's Law violation, James.

124 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:42:26pm

I hate Nazis. That is all.

125 jaunte  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:43:12pm

re: #115 Gus 802

Normalized White Nationalism? Interesting.

What struck me the most is how normalized White Nationalism has become at these gun shows. I didn’t see a single leftist there expressing his shock and outrage at these politically incorrect displays of White identity. You could literally walk a few feet away from the Louisville Tea Party booth and purchase a Wehrmacht helmet or a Rhodesian military uniform! If our immediate goal is to penetrate this demographic, it appears we have already done so. I saw lots of causes for optimism.[Link: www.occidentaldissent.com...]
126 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:43:33pm

I figured I'd start posting some excerpts from the horses mouth.

127 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:43:55pm

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

Downding for the Godwin's Law violation, James.

No no no...... no possible Godwin Law allowed when a thread is about Nazis.

128 Petero1818  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:44:09pm

re: #121 Mr Pancakes

Done!

129 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:44:47pm

re: #128 Petero1818

Done!

And done!

130 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:45:28pm

re: #125 jaunte

Normalized White Nationalism? Interesting.

Oh I'm sure this is all just a coincidence.

//

131 jaunte  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:45:41pm

I wonder what Rand Paul would look like in a Rhodesian military uniform.

132 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:46:01pm

re: #106 negativ
I also think conservatives don't realize how many Democrats are NOT anti gun and actually own them. My husband loves his guns. He keeps his large cache stored in a special little room. One night, i woke up, and i could have sworn i heard him singing Edelweiss to them.

133 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:46:05pm

re: #131 jaunte

I wonder what Rand Paul would look like in a Rhodesian military uniform.

Like a douche bag in Rhodesian military uniform?

//

134 celticdragon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:47:00pm

re: #119 Fozzie Bear

Plus it drops the top marginal rate from 35% to 25%. How ANYONE can consider that a sane idea when the primary issue is ostensibly the deficit is beyond me.

The Ryan plan is infantile. It is insane. It will do exactly the opposite of reduce the deficit.

The Ryan Plan is not about the deficit in the first place. It is about rewarding the top one percent and kicking the shit out of non-boot strapping white trash and brown people who suck off the teat of big gubmint and steal from the John Galts and Dagneys of America.

Ryan is doing his job as a toady by fellating rewarding the people who butter his bread and returning on their investment in him.

135 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:47:03pm

re: #114 EmmmieG

Also, "we" were eating C-rations in tents, and the Germans cooked an actual sausage-and-potato-and-fresh bread dinner and got to live in the bunkers. (It was at an old US army base.)

Reminds me of reading Up Front by Bill Mauldin, namely the section on food in the European Front and the treatment of prisoners. That by the latter part of the war there, the American troops had in some ways come to envy their German counterparts, as while they were "enjoying" C-Rations in foxholes, the Germans were eating fresh fruit, cooked sausage, and all other amenities.

Especially hilarious is the bit about how German POWs were aghast when they were captured and had to partake, as was international law, in the "cuisine" of their captors. They couldn't believe that the Army would inflict such horrors as C-Rations on their own men.

136 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:47:49pm

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

137 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:48:50pm

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

138 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:49:02pm

re: #134 celticdragon

The Ryan Plan is not about the deficit in the first place. It is about rewarding the top one percent and kicking the shit out of non-boot strapping white trash and brown people who suck off the teat of big gubmint and steal from the John Galts and Dagneys of America.

Ryan is doing his job as a toady by fellating rewarding the people who butter his bread and returning on their investment in him.

The RYan Plan isn't anything new, he's been "proposing it" annually. The first time, it didn't even make it out of committee. The last time, his own party joined the Democrats in voting against it. That it's now being taken as a "viable solution" is a joke, speaking more to the GOP's desperation to put anything on the table so as to appear as though they're "ahead of the game."

139 celticdragon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:49:08pm

re: #131 jaunte

I wonder what Rand Paul would look like in a Rhodesian military uniform.

Like this...

I still have a set of Rhodesian camo, actually.

140 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:49:35pm

re: #132 Cankles McCellulite

I also think conservatives don't realize how many Democrats are NOT anti gun and actually own them. My husband loves his guns. He keeps his large cache stored in a special little room. One night, i woke up, and i could have sworn i heard him singing Edelweiss to them.

LOL! I can actually see that!

Men and their guns. And they think we are crazy to want diamonds.

Husband:
"I really need another over/under shotgun. Besides, it's an investment!"

Wife:
"What exactly do you think GOLD is dear?"

141 prairiefire  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:49:40pm

re: #107 celticdragon

WTF??

I have been to plenty of militia encampments. They involve 18th century military tents, Rev War period weapons and dutch oven cooking. I think my militia is lot more fun.

We went to a Civil War re-enactment outside of Aiken, SC.
I'll never forget the lady dressed in period garb chasing after her toddler who was wearing a knotted, wet, authentic cloth diaper. A bit too much authenticity for me.

142 celticdragon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:51:39pm

re: #141 prairiefire

We went to a Civil War re-enactment outside of Aiken, SC.
I'll never forget the lady dressed in period garb chasing after her toddler who was wearing a knotted, wet, authentic cloth diaper. A bit too much authenticity for me.

Still more fun then the over-weight angry white guy militia encampment.

Kids in period clothing are cute. My son loves it.

143 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:51:46pm

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

Downding for the Godwin's Law violation, James.

If that's how you see fair then that is how you see fair.

Poorly chosen historic analogies aside, do you have a comment on how 2/3rds of the cuts in Ryan's budget come from lower/middle class serving government programs while he reduces the riches income tax from 35% down to 25%?

144 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:51:52pm

re: #125 jaunte

Normalized White Nationalism? Interesting.

More?

What interested us (the whole reason for making the trip) was to see how far along the Knob Creek attendees were on the path to White Nationalism. I would say the majority of the Whites there are in the “Don’t Tread on Me” anti-government, anti-establishment, patriotic self defense phase. They are implicitly White, but far more so than your average Tea Party protester. Most of them are only a notch or two away from explicit White racial consciousness.

There was a huge explicit racialist presence at Knob Creek. This is what shocked me the most. There were multiple booths selling Nazi paraphernalia: swastika flags, Third Reich patches, pins, medallions, t-shirts, videos like The Eternal Jew, pins, knives, bayonets, you name it, everything a Third Reich enthusiast could ever want was there. I snapped photos of all this. I even bought a Afrika Korps t-shirt that I fancied.

White Nationalists were milling about the crowd with all sorts of WPWW t-shirts. A few White girls had t-shirts on that explicitly acknowledged their whiteness. Someone had been distributing William Pierce literature about gun control. We found several of these NA brochures around the site. Presumably, there were a lot more WNs there, but we couldn’t identify them because most were dressed inconspicuously.

145 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:52:54pm

re: #144 Gus 802

The Eternal Jew? Wouldn't that be Christ?
(Yes, yes, I know, I'm just pointing out...)

146 prairiefire  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:53:09pm

re: #142 celticdragon

Still more fun then the over-weight angry white guy militia encampment.

Kids in period clothing are cute. My son loves it.

They are. Put any child in a sailor suit to test.
The toddler was starting to cry and the mom said "Aw, sweetie, are the cannons making you cry again?"

147 Linden Arden  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:53:16pm

re: #119 Fozzie Bear

Ryan's plan is so bad its laughable.

It does not control Medicare costs at all until 2021 when it just beheads it - lops it off like a guillotine. Like you say its just a tax cut to 25% disguised as future Medicare reform.

And this duplicitous jackass voted for Medicare Part D without any funding for it.

He is shameless.

148 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:53:27pm

OT but this is an old good news and bad news. The good news is my worries that I ahd the wrong edition of Kafka's The Trial were unfounded. The bad news is I have to read it of course and write a paper on it and The Metamorphosis. Why again did I decide to be an English minor instead of a government minor, ah that's right, I'm a romantic and sentimental person.

149 jaunte  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:53:30pm

re: #142 celticdragon

I got to be a reenactor for a couple of days once, one of the hundreds of extras charging up San Juan Hill in this [Link: www.imdb.com...]
Firing the Krag was fun, also yelling up the hill at the 'Spaniards.'

150 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:54:08pm

re: #143 jamesfirecat

If that's how you see fair then that is how you see fair.

Poorly chosen historic analogies aside, do you have a comment on how 2/3rds of the cuts in Ryan's budget come from lower/middle class serving government programs while he reduces the riches income tax from 35% down to 25%?

Not only does he drop their income tax rate, he also wipes out all forms of corporates taxes, claiming that this will spur corporations into creating millions of jobs annually. All I know is, I want whatever he's smoking.

151 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:54:25pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

OT but this is an old good news and bad news. The good news is my worries that I ahd the wrong edition of Kafka's The Trial were unfounded. The bad news is I have to read it of course and write a paper on it and The Metamorphosis. Why again did I decide to be an English minor instead of a government minor, ah that's right, I'm a romantic and sentimental person.

My daughter read somewhere a spoof on The Metamorphosis in which he is turned into a cute fluffy dog instead of a cockroach.

152 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:54:26pm

re: #143 jamesfirecat

My comment is to note that while Ryan cuts the tax rate, he eliminates almost all deductions, thus making the change relatively revenue neutral.

153 celticdragon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:54:57pm

re: #149 jaunte

I got to be a reenactor for a couple of days once, one of the hundreds of extras charging up San Juan Hill in this [Link: www.imdb.com...]
Firing the Krag was fun, also yelling up the hill at the 'Spaniards.'

Awesome! I hope to do a Rev War movie at some point when one comes up again :)

154 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:55:16pm

Speaking of reenacting, an old elementary school friend of mine was featured in a Time video piece on reenacting. He's been reenacting for as far back as I can remember. He was going to be an extra in Cold Mountain but didn't want to have to go to Romania for filming and miss a whole year of high school. Can't blame him for that even though that was a movie I enjoyed.

155 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:55:59pm

Can someone link to a good, neutral analysis of the Ryan plan? Thanks.

156 jaunte  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:56:06pm

re: #153 celticdragon

Most of it was just lying around on the ground waiting for the cameras, but marching quickstep over the hill in column to lunch was a blast.

157 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:56:21pm

re: #151 EmmmieG

My daughter read somewhere a spoof on The Metamorphosis in which he is turned into a cute fluffy dog instead of a cockroach.

heh never heard that before. I had to read The Metamorphosis my senior year of high school. It was early on so it was unlike nothing I had ever read before and my 11th grade English reading was American literature and by and large very straightforward narratives.

158 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:56:32pm

Anywho. I otherwise have nothing against machine gun meets.

159 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:56:35pm

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

My comment is to note that while Ryan cuts the tax rate, he eliminates almost all deductions, thus making the change relatively revenue neutral.

Except for poor or middle class people.

Who also get their government programs cut away from them.

Any comment on that?

160 prairiefire  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:57:45pm

Quotes from the Civil War re-enactment:

"Jason said that when they get shot dead, they have to go over to the Union side to fill out the ranks."

"Fire at will!"

How do they know which one's Will?"

161 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:58:04pm

re: #159 jamesfirecat

Except for poor or middle class people.

Who also get their government programs cut away from them.

Any comment on that?

"If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

/

162 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:58:08pm

re: #157 HappyWarrior

heh never heard that before. I had to read The Metamorphosis my senior year of high school. It was early on so it was unlike nothing I had ever read before and my 11th grade English reading was American literature and by and large very straightforward narratives.

My teacher destroyed it for me by making us discuss it for something like six weeks. (Maybe less, but it felt like forever. No, actually, Mrs. Teacher, we don't want to discuss incestuous overtones in this story again today. Can we diagram sentences?)

163 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:58:52pm

So far, I've been successfully avoiding Metamorphosis.

Should I stop?

164 celticdragon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:59:07pm

re: #150 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Not only does he drop their income tax rate, he also wipes out all forms of corporates taxes, claiming that this will spur corporations into creating millions of jobs annually. All I know is, I want whatever he's smoking.

They might create some jobs again, when they aren't too upset or the moon isn't next to Jupiter in the astrology chart or whatever bullshit excuses they keep coming up with.

My bet is on wild debauched parties like we saw in those fucked up videos from the Enron people.

165 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:59:27pm

re: #159 jamesfirecat

No.

166 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 7:59:56pm

re: #162 EmmmieG

My teacher destroyed it for me by making us discuss it for something like six weeks. (Maybe less, but it felt like forever. No, actually, Mrs. Teacher, we don't want to discuss incestuous overtones in this story again today. Can we diagram sentences?)

I think we discussed it for uh maybe a few. THen we had to read Camus' The STranger which I hated and felt I did not get. Funny thing is on my essay, I got an A on it. Never would have dreamed of being an English minor at that time in my life too. It's funny because I was a huge political nerd back then and all my good friends now are political nerds and I look like one only in relative terms after being the biggest political nerd in my high school.

167 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:00:09pm

What is a business consumption tax? I'm not being cute, I really don't know what that means.

168 celticdragon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:00:30pm

Off to bed. Good night, my scaly friends :)

169 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:01:07pm

re: #164 celticdragon

They might create some jobs again, when they aren't too upset or the moon isn't next to Jupiter in the astrology chart or whatever bullshit excuses they keep coming up with.

My bet is on wild debauched parties like we saw in those fucked up videos from the Enron people.

Ah Enron, it's amazing how quick folks forget just how badly the corporations will fuck their own people over for a few dollars more. But I need not worry, as I get assured all the time by the free market types that such things are "rare," as big companies can't afford to screw over their employees, and the ones that do can always be taken to court.

/

170 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:01:17pm

Woops...... Survivor is on guys... cya.

171 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:01:28pm

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

No.

What would you say if I argued it was undisguised class warfare? Could I get a comment from you then? Or at least a rebuttal?

172 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:02:09pm

re: #167 EmmmieG

What is a business consumption tax? I'm not being cute, I really don't know what that means.

Basically a VAT tax for manufacturers, placed on whatever materials or resources they use. And anybody who thinks you won't see that reflected in the final good's price, I got some beachfront property in Arizona for sale.

173 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:02:11pm

re: #166 HappyWarrior

I think we discussed it for uh maybe a few. THen we had to read Camus' The STranger which I hated and felt I did not get. Funny thing is on my essay, I got an A on it. Never would have dreamed of being an English minor at that time in my life too. It's funny because I was a huge political nerd back then and all my good friends now are political nerds and I look like one only in relative terms after being the biggest political nerd in my high school.

Mock UN in my Contemporary World Problems class. We all had to pick countries to be. I had no idea until then how little most of the peers knew about the world.

On the other hand, we had a ball being Iran, and got 100's for actually having an idea what the issues were. (My favorite moment was when we displayed a map of the old Persian empire and declared we expected it to be returned.)

174 Mocking Jay  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:02:22pm

Stewart's doing the whole nailpolish on the kid's toenails thing tonight.

175 calochortus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:02:33pm

re: #163 ggt

So far, I've been successfully avoiding Metamorphosis.

Should I stop?

No, continue to avoid it at all costs. I hate Kafka. The Penal Colony was disgusting and Metamorphosis raised the question, how could a giant cockroach have done anything other than lie there, given how far its legs would have been out of proportion to it's size? (as in elephants have thicker legs proportionally than do cats.)

176 Kragar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:02:34pm

re: #160 prairiefire

Quotes from the Civil War re-enactment:

"Jason said that when they get shot dead, they have to go over to the Union side to fill out the ranks."

"Fire at will!"

How do they know which one's Will?"

old gaming cartoon. A line of archers is standing across the field from a horde of barbarians and one of the barbarians has been hit with several dozen arrows.

The caption is one of the archers "Wow, what are the odds that we all shot at the same guy?"

177 prairiefire  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:02:47pm

re: #163 ggt

So far, I've been successfully avoiding Metamorphosis.

Should I stop?

Give it a whirl.

178 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:03:17pm

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

My comment is to note that while Ryan cuts the tax rate, he eliminates almost all deductions, thus making the change relatively revenue neutral.

Dark... it doesn't improve the deficit at all, it guts a bevy of social programs, and cuts taxes only on the those making the most money. Most of the savings don't actually kick in until a decade from now, while the revenue cuts take place immediately. It's not a plan. It's fantasy.

179 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:03:52pm

re: #175 calochortus

No, continue to avoid it at all costs. I hate Kafka. The Penal Colony was disgusting and Metamorphosis raised the question, how could a giant cockroach have done anything other than lie there, given how far its legs would have been out of proportion to it's size? (as in elephants have thicker legs proportionally than do cats.)

Well then. It seems some questions about cochroaches need not be raised.

180 engineer cat  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:04:48pm

re: #150 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Not only does he drop their income tax rate, he also wipes out all forms of corporates taxes, claiming that this will spur corporations into creating millions of jobs annually. All I know is, I want whatever he's smoking.

they don't use the laffer curve argument any more, thank god, and we also seem to have seen the last of the claim that taxes "take money out of the economy", but we still haven't eliminated the claim that lowering personal taxes on wealthy people will cause them to hire thousands at companies

and even if we lowered the corporate tax rates, there's no reason for that to cause them to create jobs. corporations hire people when they need people to do things, not when they have a windfall of extra cash blow in

181 calochortus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:05:32pm

re: #179 ggt

I have always had a distressingly literal mind.

182 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:05:36pm

It's the Ryan Plan that says something like 2% unemployment rate, yeah? That alone should tell you that Mr. Ryan lives in fantasy land. And we libs get accused of that heh.

183 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:06:27pm

re: #180 engineer dog

they don't use the laffer curve argument any more, thank god, and we also seem to have seen the last of the claim that taxes "take money out of the economy", but we still haven't eliminated the claim that lowering personal taxes on wealthy people will cause them to hire thousands at companies

and even if we lowered the corporate tax rates, there's no reason for that to cause them to create jobs. corporations hire people when they need people to do things, not when they have a windfall of extra cash blow in

yes, corporation use windfalls for capital expenditures (equipment), or investments or dividends.

I'd like to think some of them use it for R&D that will lead to new products and jobs.

184 calochortus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:06:49pm

Who knew the male identity was so fragile? You poor things!

185 calochortus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:08:51pm

re: #184 calochortus

That should have referenced #174

186 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:10:22pm

re: #100 Dark_Falcon

I disagree with the characterization of Knob Creek as "Extremist".

Why would you disagree? I don't know very much about this event, but a whole lot of people who've been there seem to get nasty vibes, and it's clearly been a gathering for the militia movements for some time.

187 calochortus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:10:32pm

re: #183 ggt

yes, corporation use windfalls for capital expenditures (equipment), or investments or dividends.

I'd like to think some of them use it for R&D that will lead to new products and jobs.

Yes, that would be nice. Apparently right now they're just piling money up in large safes, though.

188 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:10:33pm

Ah, the business consumption tax is a VAT.

Against it. Once in place, the VAT will only go up, and it's a hidden sales tax. I like Oregon's no sales tax policy.

189 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:11:21pm

re: #100 Dark_Falcon

I disagree with the characterization of Knob Creek as "Extremist".

WTF? Dude, did you watch the video? Really??? Nazi's aren't extremist?

190 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:12:05pm

Gotta love the Ryan Plan, it's like everything that the GOP has tried to use to scare voters in the past 2 years all rolled into one. It's "Business Consumption Tax" is a badly disguised VAT, it's Medicare voucher program will ensure that the elderly will be without care unless they're independently wealthy, it's Medicaid block grants will lead to more rationing and even "death panels," and it's tax structure will raise taxes on the poor and middle class.

The only way I can make sense of their throwing it on the table is simply to say that they have something there.

191 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:12:12pm

re: #186 SanFranciscoZionist

Why would you disagree? I don't know very much about this event, but a whole lot of people who've been there seem to get nasty vibes, and it's clearly been a gathering for the militia movements for some time.

The part where Charles mentioned The Turner Diaries being sold perked my eyebrow. By the way, if anyone here doesn't know, that was William Pierce's race novel that inspired Tim McVeigh.

192 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:12:13pm

re: #103 ggt

I know, but groups like the Neo-nazi's are good at using the propaganda. I can see the headlines. "Gun-Nuts deny civil rights." No one will see anything but that. They won't read further than to realize the gun-nuts hate nazi's.

I think the gun-nuts are cautious of any negative publicity.

I personally feel that the gun nuts should be more worried about being associated with Nazis than with being associated with denying civil rights to Nazis.

But I am not myself a gun nut, so perhaps I don't fully get the nuance.

:)

193 Kruk  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:12:36pm

re: #140 ggt

LOL! I can actually see that!

Men and their guns. And they think we are crazy to want diamonds.

Husband:
"I really need another over/under shotgun. Besides, it's an investment!"

Wife:
"What exactly do you think GOLD is dear?"

Heh. We had a ton of debt right after we married, what with the wedding, student loans and setting up house. (The only thing left now is the student loans, thankfully).

The only thing that kept our net worth in the black during those years was the ton of heavy gold jwellery my wife had spent her early twenties accumulating. At that age, I had been been blowing my money on fast(ish) cars and travelling. My wife is understandably smug about the whole thing.

194 tnguitarist  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:12:43pm

Oh, fuck it.

195 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:12:46pm

re: #188 EmmmieG

Ah, the business consumption tax is a VAT.

Against it. Once in place, the VAT will only go up, and it's a hidden sales tax. I like Oregon's no sales tax policy.

The best part is buying something that's $5. I pay $5. No annoying little bits of change.

The worst part is the unstable funding situation. The schools go into crisis every ten years or so.

196 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:13:30pm

re: #108 Gus 802

There's that Confederate flag again! I gave that other guy a pass because I'm a little more flexible with reenactors -- if that's all he is.



This is just adorable.

197 engineer cat  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:13:44pm

re: #183 ggt

yes, corporation use windfalls for capital expenditures (equipment), or investments or dividends.

I'd like to think some of them use it for R&D that will lead to new products and jobs.

or they add it to the bottom line as more profit. remember, ceos and senior vice presidents keep their jobs when the board of directors sees more profit every year

if a corporation is hard pressed to finance the capital expenditures it needs, it isn't in good shape to begin with

generally speaking, a corporation will only spend money on things that it absolutely needs - the goal is always, always to improve that bottom line

198 BongCrodny  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:13:49pm

re: #68 Linden Arden

Wow, and I thought music or a cook-off would bring people together.

I am such a dipshit I guess. A gun rally really is the Jesus thing to do.

"I know what thou art thinking. Didst he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell thou the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow thy head clean off, thou must ask thyself one question: 'Dost thou feel lucky?' Well, dost thou, punk?"

199 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:14:11pm

re: #194 tnguitarist

Oh, fuck it.

Wisdom.

200 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:15:02pm

re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist


This is just adorable.

Not the adjective I would pick.

201 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:15:12pm

re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist


This is just adorable.

Right. And it was taken on October of 2009.

202 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:15:23pm

re: #112 EmmmieG

I attended a WWII re-enactment. The Germans explained, carefully, that they were not doing this for love of all things Nazi, but because somebody had to be the Germans, or there would be no re-enactment.

Also, the group that converted over (they had been Americans previously) got invited to all the re-enactments they could handle because there are so few German troops. Most American groups have fewer opportunities.

Their German pin-up posters were a hoot.

I've thought about doing WWII reenactment. Well, actually, my dad has thought about doing WWII reenactment, but I thought I might tag along.

He wants to be a Russian, of course. (Well, if you know my dad, it's of course.) There is apparently a Russian group down in Southern California that has a functioning tank. They can't use it in combat, of course, but you can qualify on it and drive it around at events.

203 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:15:58pm

re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist


This is just adorable.

Classy, suggesting the secretary of state would make a great target. I have to say. I was never too fond of Colin Powell or Condi Rice when they were Bush's Secretaries of State but never wished them harm. It was policy disagreement not I want to shoot at them.

204 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:16:06pm

re: #192 SanFranciscoZionist

I personally feel that the gun nuts should be more worried about being associated with Nazis than with being associated with denying civil rights to Nazis.

But I am not myself a gun nut, so perhaps I don't fully get the nuance.

:)

Exactly correct. Where the wife and I go to compete and enjoy the high speed sporting uses of pistols, no Nazi attire is allowed. No camouflage. No weekend combat troops gear. Just the guns and the gear to go safe and fast.

205 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:16:33pm

re: #202 SanFranciscoZionist

I've thought about doing WWII reenactment. Well, actually, my dad has thought about doing WWII reenactment, but I thought I might tag along.

He wants to be a Russian, of course. (Well, if you know my dad, it's of course.) There is apparently a Russian group down in Southern California that has a functioning tank. They can't use it in combat, of course, but you can qualify on it and drive it around at events.


That would make you popular with the kids.

The German taught kids to throw grenades. That was big with a certain demographic--namely 5-13 year old boys.

206 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:16:55pm

re: #125 jaunte

Normalized White Nationalism? Interesting.

"Occidental Dissent"?

I'm gonna throw up now.

207 tnguitarist  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:17:05pm

re: #199 Killgore Trout

Wisdom.

Succinct.

208 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:17:28pm

re: #207 tnguitarist

Succinct.

Booger

//

209 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:17:35pm

re: #197 engineer dog

or they add it to the bottom line as more profit. remember, ceos and senior vice presidents keep their jobs when the board of directors sees more profit every year

if a corporation is hard pressed to finance the capital expenditures it needs, it isn't in good shape to begin with

generally speaking, a corporation will only spend money on things that it absolutely needs - the goal is always, always to improve that bottom line

Ayep, which is why companies have continued to shed jobs, even while their bottom line improves. They've found out that fear is a great motivator in a down economy, getting 1 employee to do the work of two, if only to keep his job. Not to mention automation has allowed him to do away with entire fields of employment that are never coming back, such as mail rooms.

210 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:17:50pm

re: #192 SanFranciscoZionist

I personally feel that the gun nuts should be more worried about being associated with Nazis than with being associated with denying civil rights to Nazis.

But I am not myself a gun nut, so perhaps I don't fully get the nuance.

:)

Like I said earlier. It is about perception.

I think it would be easier if white gun-nuts reached out to their non-white friends more.

It's a wierd culture in many ways. One doesn't try to sell shooting sports the same way one might want to include a friend in a game of cards. You have to really know and trust the person if you are going to introduce them to a lethal weapon.

My husband & I usually start by inviting them to the courses available at his gun club. Minorities are very, very leery.

But if we don't try, nothing will change.

211 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:18:12pm

re: #206 SanFranciscoZionist

"Occidental Dissent"?

I'm gonna throw up now.

Yeah. I figured it has to be shown though. Which is why I said something about getting it from the horses mouth.

212 Kragar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:18:23pm

re: #208 Gus 802

Booger

//

Not this again.

213 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:18:49pm

re: #212 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Not this again.

What? I didn't say anything about toast.

//

214 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:19:24pm

re: #213 Gus 802

What? I didn't say anything about toast.

//

You got something against toasters?!

//

215 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:19:34pm

re: #132 Cankles McCellulite

I also think conservatives don't realize how many Democrats are NOT anti gun and actually own them. My husband loves his guns. He keeps his large cache stored in a special little room. One night, i woke up, and i could have sworn i heard him singing Edelweiss to them.

LOL!

Yeah, the notion that Democrat=scared to death of guns is common, and quite mistaken.

As Exhibits A through ZZ, I present most of my father's relatives.

216 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:19:42pm

Oof. Just went to check out Occidental Dissent.

In fact, I saw more Gadsden and Confederate flags at Knob Creek than American flags. Always an encouraging sign!
Also, what is "implicit whiteness?"

217 Kruk  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:19:44pm

re: #143 jamesfirecat

If that's how you see fair then that is how you see fair.

Poorly chosen historic analogies aside, do you have a comment on how 2/3rds of the cuts in Ryan's budget come from lower/middle class serving government programs while he reduces the riches income tax from 35% down to 25%?

He's just being a good Christian, don't you know?

"For whoever has, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whoever has not, from him shall be taken away even that he has."
-Matthew 13:12

(Yes, I know that's not what the verse means, but I think there are some who do take it literally).

218 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:20:20pm

I always thought a WWII re-enactment would be interesting especially for things like Overlord and Market Garden when you had paratroopers and in the case of Overlord guys landing on beaches. I've heard about Korea and Vietnam re-enactments too. THose sound interesting especially given the unique geography of those countries. My grandfather, Korean War veteran and all told me that the coldest he ever was in his life was when he was

219 webevintage  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:20:38pm

I made a Banoffee Pie today.
Soooo good.
I like pie.

220 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:20:42pm

re: #197 engineer dog

or they add it to the bottom line as more profit. remember, ceos and senior vice presidents keep their jobs when the board of directors sees more profit every year

if a corporation is hard pressed to finance the capital expenditures it needs, it isn't in good shape to begin with

generally speaking, a corporation will only spend money on things that it absolutely needs - the goal is always, always to improve that bottom line

Yep, they are in business to please the stockholders, not to create a "fair" situation for employees. (unless they are employee owned)

People seem to forget that the stockholders actually have put-up their own money. I like the concept of pre-tax employee stock-purchases. It can give a whole new perspective to the employee--especially young ones.

221 freetoken  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:20:43pm

re: #217 Kruk


(Yes, I know that's not what the verse means, ...

Oh? Are you sure?

222 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:20:48pm

re: #218 HappyWarrior

I always thought a WWII re-enactment would be interesting especially for things like Overlord and Market Garden when you had paratroopers and in the case of Overlord guys landing on beaches. I've heard about Korea and Vietnam re-enactments too. THose sound interesting especially given the unique geography of those countries. My grandfather, Korean War veteran and all told me that the coldest he ever was in his life was when he was in Korea

Sorry, didn't finish that stement.

223 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:21:40pm

re: #222 HappyWarrior

Sorry, didn't finish that stement.

Are you going to?

224 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:22:27pm

re: #203 HappyWarrior

Classy, suggesting the secretary of state would make a great target. I have to say. I was never too fond of Colin Powell or Condi Rice when they were Bush's Secretaries of State but never wished them harm. It was policy disagreement not I want to shoot at them.

Quite Concur.

225 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:22:28pm

re: #223 EmmmieG

Are you going to?

yeah I did, meant to type in Korea. Got distracted with some ITunes stuff.

226 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:22:49pm

re: #174 JasonA

Stewart's doing the whole nailpolish on the kid's toenails thing tonight.

You know, there are people out there who beat their children, and tell them they're worthless, and molest them.

In the balance, how worried am I actually supposed to be about a small boy having pink toenails for a couple of weeks?

227 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:23:14pm

re: #225 HappyWarrior

yeah I did, meant to type in Korea. Got distracted with some ITunes stuff.

How many times have I told you not to type and fiddle with the radio? Next you'll be trying to eat and do your makeup while typing.

228 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:23:31pm

re: #224 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur.

My husband liked the Barney targets they used to have at a shooting range he went to.

fictional characters--yes

real people --no

229 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:23:40pm

re: #227 EmmmieG

How many times have I told you not to type and fiddle with the radio? Next you'll be trying to eat and do your makeup while typing.

makeup? huh.

230 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:23:42pm

re: #220 ggt

Yep, they are in business to please the stockholders, not to create a "fair" situation for employees. (unless they are employee owned)

People seem to forget that the stockholders actually have put-up their own money. I like the concept of pre-tax employee stock-purchases. It can give a whole new perspective to the employee--especially young ones.

Somehow, remembering the Enron employees whose 401ks were stuffed to the gills with company stock makes me feel none too confident about that.

231 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:24:03pm

re: #226 SanFranciscoZionist

You know, there are people out there who beat their children, and tell them they're worthless, and molest them.

In the balance, how worried am I actually supposed to be about a small boy having pink toenails for a couple of weeks?

Because they are often little boys being treated as little girls for daddy's pleasure.

232 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:24:25pm

re: #227 EmmmieG

How many times have I told you not to type and fiddle with the radio? Next you'll be trying to eat and do your makeup while typing.

or texting and driving . . .

233 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:24:58pm

re: #231 ggt

Because they are often little boys being treated as little girls for daddy's pleasure.

Actually, in our family, any girly-fication is usually done by older sisters who never got to have a little sister, but was stuck with a bunch of smelly, hyperactive boys.

234 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:25:08pm

re: #230 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Somehow, remembering the Enron employees whose 401ks were stuffed to the gills with company stock makes me feel none too confident about that.

Most companies are not Enron.

235 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:25:30pm

re: #228 ggt

My husband liked the Barney targets they used to have at a shooting range he went to.

fictional characters--yes

real people --no


Er....full confession. I drew an outline of an ex-boyfriend once.

I'm over that by a few decades now.

236 darthstar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:25:43pm

re: #208 Gus 802

Booger

//


Really, hanging sarc tags on a booger? Have you no respect for the green?

237 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:25:56pm

re: #228 ggt

My husband liked the Barney targets they used to have at a shooting range he went to.

fictional characters--yes

real people --no

Well, I'll make an exception for some of the worst of the worst. If someone wants to use Aiyman el-Zawahiri's picture as a target, they'll get no complaint from me. But to use Hillary's image is clearly and majorly wrong.

238 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:26:31pm

My aunt's (Dad's two older sisters who are 10/13 years oplder than him) claim they used to dress him as a girl. That always amused me obviously. Of course, seeing photos of my uncle holding my Dad as a baby also amuse me since I see the guy who has yelled at me as a baby.

239 jerk  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:26:59pm

It's funny to think that this is what the great Nazi empire evolved into: a bunch of rednecks firing guns in some backwoods region of Appalachia. Meanwhile, the Jews have an entire country...

On a sidenote, "Blood in the Face" is a good documentary on how sad/desperate/ignorant these people (white supremacists mostly) are, if you couldn't already have surmised it. It was filmed in the midwest, and even Michael Moore makes an appearance. You can choose to pair it with an older documentary called "California Reich". I haven't seen this one in at least five years, but I remember it was about how a group of Neo Nazis want to buy guns and force their kids to wear swastikas.

240 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:27:18pm

re: #237 Dark_Falcon

Well, I'll make an exception for some of the worst of the worst. If someone wants to use Aiyman el-Zawahiri's picture as a target, they'll get no complaint from me. But to use Hillary's image is clearly and majorly wrong.

I understand your feeling, but objectifying any human being is not good.

Having an image of a real person to shoot at, is objectifying them.

241 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:27:26pm

re: #234 ggt

Most companies are not Enron.

Most company executives aren't crooks. They may be assholes, but they don't break the law.

242 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:27:40pm

I look at this "shock" over pink nail polish and just shrug. I still remember folks being uncomfortable with the idea of men wearing earrings, even if they just stainless steel rings. Now, I've seen guys walk in to the local sub shop with more metal in their heads than my car's dashboard.

243 Kragar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:27:47pm

re: #236 darthstar

Really, hanging sarc tags on a booger? Have you no respect for the green?

Snotzis!

244 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:28:06pm

re: #216 EmmmieG

Oof. Just went to check out Occidental Dissent.

In fact, I saw more Gadsden and Confederate flags at Knob Creek than American flags. Always an encouraging sign!
Also, what is "implicit whiteness?"

I think it means that it's understood to be a white event--non-white gun folks don't even show up.

245 freetoken  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:28:22pm

re: #239 jerk

The Third Reich has become the third string on the team roster of Americana.

246 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:28:29pm

Implicit whiteness.

Explicit whiteness.

Overt whiteness.

Obvious whiteness.

Egregious whiteness.

Whatever you call it, it boils down to the same thing: My husband would go broke as an interior decorator. Honestly, can't I paint a few walls? Sheesh.

247 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:29:11pm

The funniest thing about these folks is they probably think they are the real guardians of liberty and their opponents are the fascists. I tell you this, nothing amuses me more than being called a fascist but someone who actually you know is a fascist.

248 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:29:25pm

re: #225 HappyWarrior

yeah I did, meant to type in Korea. Got distracted with some ITunes stuff.

Everyone I have ever known who is, or is related to, a Korea vet, says the same thing. It's just ungodly cold.

249 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:29:30pm

re: #246 EmmmieG

Implicit whiteness.

Explicit whiteness.

Overt whiteness.

Obvious whiteness.

Egregious whiteness.

Whatever you call it, it boils down to the same thing: My husband would go broke as an interior decorator. Honestly, can't I paint a few walls? Sheesh.

Dover White?

The most horrible white paint color ever created.

250 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:29:49pm

re: #247 HappyWarrior

The funniest thing about these folks is they probably think they are the real guardians of liberty and their opponents are the fascists. I tell you this, nothing amuses me more than being called a fascist but someone who actually you know is a fascist.

define fascist.

251 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:30:26pm

re: #237 Dark_Falcon

Well, I'll make an exception for some of the worst of the worst. If someone wants to use Aiyman el-Zawahiri's picture as a target, they'll get no complaint from me. But to use Hillary's image is clearly and majorly wrong.

I think if I owned a shooting range that kind of behavior would be discouraged. Regardless of the target. It would set a poor precedent and create the wrong environment. People are there to shoot not to make an emotional display. Bad for safety and all that.

252 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:30:27pm

re: #231 ggt

Because they are often little boys being treated as little girls for daddy's pleasure.

In this case it appears to have been a whim of the kid's mother, and the kid seems fine.

253 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:30:43pm

re: #249 ggt

Dover White?

The most horrible white paint color ever created.

Actually, we've gotten as far as an off-white. Problem is that he was raised in the military, so they never bothered to paint walls. They just moved.

254 darthstar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:31:07pm

President Obama rips Paul Ryan a new asshole, and David Frum says, "Here, let me make that wider." I love it when tigers eat their young.

255 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:31:43pm

re: #250 ggt

define fascist.

Well, it depends. There's Italian fascism which is all about having a powerful state, German or Nazi style fascism which is more racially bent and like these people.

256 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:31:53pm

re: #245 freetoken

The Third Reich has become the third string on the team roster of Americana.

A lot of people are waiting to burst out like Mel Gibson. IMO.

257 Kragar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:32:25pm

re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist

In this case it appears to have been a whim of the kid's mother, and the kid seems fine.

Joe Friday: How do you tell that to these kids here who have never seen a lion before and now probably won't have the desire to ever see one again.
Pep Streebeck: Kids, it'll grow back.
[kids cheer]

258 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:32:47pm

re: #238 HappyWarrior

My aunt's (Dad's two older sisters who are 10/13 years oplder than him) claim they used to dress him as a girl. That always amused me obviously. Of course, seeing photos of my uncle holding my Dad as a baby also amuse me since I see the guy who has yelled at me as a baby.

At one school I was at, we had a day during Spirit Week that was called 'Backwards Day'. The kids interpreted it as meaning they should cross-dress.

The boys with long hair were extremely popular with the girls that day, since they were easier to do up.

I, being me, walked into my classroom, spotted one of the boys in full-face makeup and French braids, and said, "My God, Bobby, I never realized how much like your mom you look."

259 BongCrodny  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:32:49pm

re: #249 ggt

Dover White?

The most horrible white paint color ever created.


The late Pat Paulsen's winery once offered a brand called "Refrigerator White."

260 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:33:03pm

A few White girls had t-shirts on that explicitly acknowledged their whiteness.

A good sunburn would do the same, and you could put flowers on your shirt. Or owls. My daughter has an adorable owl-with-a-fedora t-shirt.

261 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:33:09pm

re: #248 SanFranciscoZionist

Everyone I have ever known who is, or is related to, a Korea vet, says the same thing. It's just ungodly cold.

Yeah, I can't imagine what he went through. He was my age when he got discharged I want to say. A great uncle of mine was a chaplain during hte Battle of the Bulge. Poor guy later became an alcoholic. I can't imagine what he saw and felt since he was probably the last person many people saw before they died. That would affect me, I have no doubt.

262 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:33:15pm

re: #194 tnguitarist

No, fuck them. They are the problem, not you.
Hi stalkerz. Fuck you too.

263 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:33:37pm

re: #258 SanFranciscoZionist

At one school I was at, we had a day during Spirit Week that was called 'Backwards Day'. The kids interpreted it as meaning they should cross-dress.

The boys with long hair were extremely popular with the girls that day, since they were easier to do up.

I, being me, walked into my classroom, spotted one of the boys in full-face makeup and French braids, and said, "My God, Bobby, I never realized how much like your mom you look."

Did he run screaming from the room?

264 engineer cat  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:34:04pm

i define a fascism as a form of government where the state has all the rights and the citizens have none

nazis were fascists + arrogant racist fucks

265 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:34:06pm

re: #249 ggt

Dover White?

The most horrible white paint color ever created.

My mother favors Navajo White. Which would probably upset the Occidental Dissent people, even though it doesn't get much more Western than the Navajo.

266 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:34:08pm

I'm off to mill thru some paperwork.

(shredding duty)

have a great evening all!

267 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:34:43pm

re: #266 ggt

I'm off to mill thru some paperwork.

(shredding duty)

have a great evening all!

I pay my kids to do that. I could probably get them to do it for free.

268 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:36:04pm

re: #260 EmmmieG

A few White girls had t-shirts on that explicitly acknowledged their whiteness.

A good sunburn would do the same, and you could put flowers on your shirt. Or owls. My daughter has an adorable owl-with-a-fedora t-shirt.

I'm trying to figure out what the point of having a t-shirt that acknowledges your whiteness is.

Of course, Michelle Serros used to sell t-shirts that said "Medium Brown Girl", but that was funny because of the Nordstrom bags.

269 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:36:13pm

re: #258 SanFranciscoZionist

At one school I was at, we had a day during Spirit Week that was called 'Backwards Day'. The kids interpreted it as meaning they should cross-dress.

The boys with long hair were extremely popular with the girls that day, since they were easier to do up.

I, being me, walked into my classroom, spotted one of the boys in full-face makeup and French braids, and said, "My God, Bobby, I never realized how much like your mom you look."

Ha, lot of truth to that. I've really been able to see how much my brother who is closest to me in age looks like our mother since he's grown his hair long. Thing I noticed was his eyes looking like hers so I brought that up to her and she's like well I always did have the best eyes. Love it when my mom has a sense of humor since she's usually fairly stoic at least in comparision to my dad.

270 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:36:17pm

re: #267 EmmmieG

I pay my kids to do that. I could probably get them to do it for free.

Congrats, you're ready to run a Fortune 500.

/

271 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:36:31pm

re: #262 Floral Giraffe

I mean that, in the nicest possible way.'
While still stayin FY to the stalkers.
And a big smooch, to the LGF'ers.

272 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:36:35pm

re: #263 EmmmieG

Did he run screaming from the room?

Just glared. Then laughed.

273 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:37:37pm

re: #272 SanFranciscoZionist

Just glared. Then laughed.

And, hid udner the bed?
LOL!

274 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:38:37pm

re: #271 Floral Giraffe

I mean that, in the nicest possible way.'
While still stayin FY to the stalkers.
And a big smooch, to the LGF'ers.

14 hour workday..I'm exhausted.. I could say anything right now! LOL

275 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:38:45pm

re: #268 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm trying to figure out what the point of having a t-shirt that acknowledges your whiteness is.

Of course, Michelle Serros used to sell t-shirts that said "Medium Brown Girl", but that was funny because of the Nordstrom bags.

When we did SCA things, my husband was constantly having to fend off sunburn. He used to describe a heraldic device--"A white man in his pallor, very very argent, DANCING!" and strike a disco pose.

After the sunburn got him this was modified to "A white man, gules, very very uncomfortable".

276 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:39:27pm

re: #274 HoosierHoops

14 hour workday..I'm exhausted.. I could say anything right now! LOL

Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious?

277 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:39:33pm

re: #274 HoosierHoops

*smooch*
That's all I have to say!

278 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:40:39pm

And, a smoooch is not a BAD thing.
You.
Be well.

279 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:40:40pm

re: #276 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious?

Did Disney help you spell that?

280 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:40:54pm

re: #275 SanFranciscoZionist

When we did SCA things, my husband was constantly having to fend off sunburn. He used to describe a heraldic device--"A white man in his pallor, very very argent, DANCING!" and strike a disco pose.

After the sunburn got him this was modified to "A white man, gules, very very uncomfortable".

There is a family in my Homeschool group that has only Scandinavian ancestors. I swear, those kids actually are white. Their mother has a miserable time trying to keep them from burning.


(Many of the early LDS pioneers to Utah came directly from Sweden or Denmark. Half of my husband's ancestors fit into this category.)

281 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:41:14pm

re: #279 HoosierHoops

Did Disney help you spell that?

I cannot tell a lie...it was Yahoo.

282 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:41:57pm

I've mentioned in the best but hte thing that truly interests me about Communism, Fascism, etc is not how they differ from each other but the differences within the movements. Like a big part of my Chinese history class this semester has been on the contrast between policies & rhetoric under Mao in the 60's through the mid 70's in contrast with Deng xiaopeng's in the mid 70's through the 90's. It's very tempting to brush them off as just Commies when you don't want to focus on the fact that there are complexities. That's not to say, I like or admire both guys but the fact that I realize they were different.

283 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:42:23pm

re: #279 HoosierHoops

re: #279 HoosierHoops

I want toHIRE Mary Poppins, to take CARE OF mOM.

284 webevintage  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:45:26pm

When my son was little and I painted my toenails he always asked me to paint his no matter what color I was using.
Seriously, I had no idea the toenail polish was an "issue".

285 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:45:51pm

re: #283 Floral Giraffe

re: #279 HoosierHoops

I want toHIRE Mary Poppins, to take CARE OF mOM.

I want Mary Poppins to fix me dinner..Guess I'd better check the fridge for something..like a big Salad..I think Winston is pissed at me..
' Where have you been dude?'
Got a nice email from Ice today

286 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:46:33pm

There I was in a KC-135 flying over Japan and the pilot was Ted Kennedy wearing a Wehrmacht cap and the co-pilot was Ronald Reagan and they were talking about machine guns and taxes while speaking in Esperanto.

287 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:47:14pm

re: #282 HappyWarrior

I've mentioned in the best but hte thing that truly interests me about Communism, Fascism, etc is not how they differ from each other but the differences within the movements. Like a big part of my Chinese history class this semester has been on the contrast between policies & rhetoric under Mao in the 60's through the mid 70's in contrast with Deng xiaopeng's in the mid 70's through the 90's. It's very tempting to brush them off as just Commies when you don't want to focus on the fact that there are complexities. That's not to say, I like or admire both guys but the fact that I realize they were different.

I always found the Soviet bent to it interesting. Namely the moment the new General Secretary achieved office, his first duty was to denounce his predecessor, send the old regime either out to pasture or out to Siberia, and adopt a new bent to dealing with the US. If there was one thing you prayed didn't happen in your lifetime, it was to achieve high party status just as the leadership was changing.

288 freetoken  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:47:25pm

re: #285 HoosierHoops

I want Mary Poppins to fix me dinner...

... and clean my room, wearing only a French maid's apron...

289 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:47:49pm

re: #284 webevintage

When my son was little and I painted my toenails he always asked me to paint his no matter what color I was using.
Seriously, I had no idea the toenail polish was an "issue".

I think most boys experiment with that stuff regardless of what people will claim. Some outgrow it while others don't. And if they don't outgrow it that's fine too in this modern world.

290 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:48:00pm

re: #286 Gus 802

There I was in a KC-135 flying over Japan and the pilot was Ted Kennedy wearing a Wehrmacht cap and the co-pilot was Ronald Reagan and they were talking about machine guns and taxes while speaking in Esperanto.

Okay Gus, I think you've had enough. I'm cutting you off for the rest of the night. You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.

//

291 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:48:19pm

Oh, checking the blogroll at Occidental Dissent now. What lovely titles for blogs.

Jew Among You (That would be Christ, right, who is ever with us?)

Stuff Black People Don't Like. (Hmm. I could make that list, too.)

Caste Football. (Oh, goodness gracious. Castes have caused so much misery in India. Can we just leave a really bad idea alone?)

292 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:48:59pm

re: #279 HoosierHoops

293 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:49:06pm

re: #286 Gus 802

There I was in a KC-135 flying over Japan and the pilot was Ted Kennedy wearing a Wehrmacht cap and the co-pilot was Ronald Reagan and they were talking about machine guns and taxes while speaking in Esperanto.

And what did you eat before you went to bed?

294 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:49:12pm

re: #291 EmmmieG

Oh, checking the blogroll at Occidental Dissent now. What lovely titles for blogs.

Jew Among You (That would be Christ, right, who is ever with us?)

Stuff Black People Don't Like. (Hmm. I could make that list, too.)

Caste Football. (Oh, goodness gracious. Castes have caused so much misery in India. Can we just leave a really bad idea alone?)

He's a freak.

295 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:49:34pm

re: #288 freetoken

OOh, you look good in that!

296 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:49:34pm

re: #294 Gus 802

He's a freak.

But so, so easy to mock.

297 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:50:05pm

re: #287 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I always found the Soviet bent to it interesting. Namely the moment the new General Secretary achieved office, his first duty was to denounce his predecessor, send the old regime either out to pasture or out to Siberia, and adopt a new bent to dealing with the US. If there was one thing you prayed didn't happen in your lifetime, it was to achieve high party status just as the leadership was changing.

Yeah, that's interesting too. I believe the Stalin era especially had a lot of suspicion in careerists who were seen as merely using the party to move up in their careers rather than loyalty to the party. It seems ot me that one of the interesting ironies is that often the torturers often became the tortured and furthermore many had been tortured themselves in the revolutionary days.

298 Achilles Tang  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:51:19pm

re: #286 Gus 802

There I was in a KC-135 flying over Japan and the pilot was Ted Kennedy wearing a Wehrmacht cap and the co-pilot was Ronald Reagan and they were talking about machine guns and taxes while speaking in Esperanto.

Tomorrow I'll tell you of my dream(s); in your dreams.

299 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:51:48pm

Not to beat on a dead horse but could you imagine if any other group had an event where they were selling this crap?

300 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:51:57pm

I had a dream I was cleaning silverware out of the disposal.

I seriously need better dreams.

301 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:54:36pm

re: #299 Gus 802

Not to beat on a dead horse but could you imagine if any other group had an event where they were selling this crap?

I'm not sure it's the "who" as much as it's the "where". In a cosmopolitan city, it wouldn't go over so well. In Kentucky? Not so much.

302 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:55:12pm

re: #299 Gus 802

Not to beat on a dead horse but could you imagine if any other group had an event where they were selling this crap?

You know how a state recently passed a law that says you need a three day waiting period to get an abortion?

///It sure would be a shame if women could just go to abortions hows, and get abortions then and there without any sort of background check to find out how far along they were or how they got pregnant....

303 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:55:39pm

re: #301 marjoriemoon

I'm not sure it's the "who" as much as it's the "where". In a cosmopolitan city, it wouldn't go over so well. In Kentucky? Not so much.

OK But I was thinking "equal but opposite". That is more specifically imagine if you will a Muslim gathering...

304 Kragar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:55:46pm

re: #300 EmmmieG

I had a dream I was cleaning silverware out of the disposal.

I seriously need better dreams.

Every few weeks, I get the dream where I'm running Field Day at the barracks

305 Kruk  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:56:28pm

re: #286 Gus 802

There I was in a KC-135 flying over Japan and the pilot was Ted Kennedy wearing a Wehrmacht cap and the co-pilot was Ronald Reagan and they were talking about machine guns and taxes while speaking in Esperanto.

LOL! Great minds think (or dream) alike. I had a dream last night that involved time travel, Dungeons & Dragons, and Dick Cheney as a *totally* bad ass vampire slayer.

(I really need to stop Forever Knight episodes online before going to bed).

306 Achilles Tang  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:57:45pm

re: #282 HappyWarrior

I've mentioned in the best but hte thing that truly interests me about Communism, Fascism, etc is not how they differ from each other but the differences within the movements. Like a big part of my Chinese history class this semester has been on the contrast between policies & rhetoric under Mao in the 60's through the mid 70's in contrast with Deng xiaopeng's in the mid 70's through the 90's. It's very tempting to brush them off as just Commies when you don't want to focus on the fact that there are complexities. That's not to say, I like or admire both guys but the fact that I realize they were different.

I'm not a student of politics, but it does seem to me that much of political analysis is similar to what we used to do after watching "2001" (the movie) when stoned, and then spending hours with munchies trying to find even deeper meanings in the flashing lights and talking computers.

The truth is that shit happens and everyone tries to justify it after the fact.

307 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:58:05pm

re: #303 Gus 802

OK But I was thinking "equal but opposite". That is more specifically imagine if you will a Muslim gathering...

I didn't say that quite right, but glad you understood it. hehe

I was thinking of Muslim gathering when you said it. But if those Muslims were in some backwoods city, they may even become friends. Like that Canadian Muslim group showing David Duke videos that CL posted.

308 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:58:10pm

re: #297 HappyWarrior

Yeah, that's interesting too. I believe the Stalin era especially had a lot of suspicion in careerists who were seen as merely using the party to move up in their careers rather than loyalty to the party. It seems ot me that one of the interesting ironies is that often the torturers often became the tortured and furthermore many had been tortured themselves in the revolutionary days.

Yeah, Stalin's inner circle was composed not so much of loyal advisers as men who every bit as blood-thirsty and immoral as himself, but joined in their mutual fear of what would happen to them if they were the target of the man's displeasure. Beria probably has entire level of Hell devoted to himself.

309 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:58:24pm

Do not visit the sites I just listed. I was collecting amusing stuff from them, and one of them did something nasty to my computer. Launched a website that then kept replicating itself.

I will say that the one before that is listing a scholarshiop that you must prove your whiteness with a DNA test to collect.

310 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:58:27pm

re: #262 Floral Giraffe

No, fuck them. They are the problem, not you.
Hi stalkerz. Fuck you too.

What are those dipshits up to now?

311 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 8:59:30pm

re: #307 marjoriemoon

I didn't say that quite right, but glad you understood it. hehe

I was thinking of Muslim gathering when you said it. But if those Muslims were in some backwoods city, they may even become friends. Like that Canadian Muslim group showing David Duke videos that CL posted.

Oh! Right. There's that too. Deep down inside they both have shared values. Islamists, meet White Supremacists. David Duke goes to Iran!

312 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:00:19pm

re: #308 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, Stalin's inner circle was composed not so much of loyal advisers as men who every bit as blood-thirsty and immoral as himself, but joined in their mutual fear of what would happen to them if they were the target of the man's displeasure. Beria probably has entire level of Hell devoted to himself.

I htink I've heard that Beria personally did much of the torturing himself that hte NKVD did. I heard this proverb in reference to Ivan the Terrible but I think it could apply to any leader like Stalin or Ivan that was bloodthirsty. It was the closer to the czar, the closer to death.

313 Achilles Tang  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:00:52pm

re: #309 EmmmieG

Do not visit the sites I just listed. I was collecting amusing stuff from them, and one of them did something nasty to my computer. Launched a website that then kept replicating itself.

I will say that the one before that is listing a scholarshiop that you must prove your whiteness with a DNA test to collect.

I've had no end of problems with places like that; usually after my wife goes online to look for interesting knitting patterns.

I kid you not.

314 freetoken  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:01:51pm

Speaking of fascism, I spent most of last night reading news articles from 1920 on what was going on at the conference(s) in San Remo and, now with 91 years of hindsight with which to work, I'm coming to the conclusion that the rise of fascism and the resultant WWII wasn't so much about any single evil (though Hitler certainly fits that bill) but the outworking of a political and social order that couldn't adapt to the changes in society that industrialization and international commerce had wrought.

Not a novel thought, I presume, but it might get me thinking down a different line in regards to how to view our present situation.

315 Kragar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:01:52pm

re: #311 Gus 802

Oh! Right. There's that too. Deep down inside they both have shared values. Islamists, meet White Supremacists. David Duke goes to Iran!

Odd Couple 2011: One is a White Supremacist, the other is a Muslim Extremist, what kind of zany mischief will they get into next?

316 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:02:01pm

re: #286 Gus 802

There I was in a KC-135 flying over Japan and the pilot was Ted Kennedy wearing a Wehrmacht cap and the co-pilot was Ronald Reagan and they were talking about machine guns and taxes while speaking in Esperanto.

Gus, dreams like that are God's way of telling you to lay off the brown acid.

317 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:02:09pm

Running Norton now, just in case.

Sheesh. I thougth you'd have to actually touch these guys to get a disease.

318 What, me worry?  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:02:09pm

re: #311 Gus 802

Oh! Right. There's that too. Deep down inside they both have shared values. Islamists, meet White Supremacists. David Duke goes to Iran!

Ack! Just what we need!

I have to totter off to bed. Catch ya'll later.

319 jamesfirecat  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:02:48pm

re: #315 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Odd Couple 2011: One is a White Supremacist, the other is a Muslim Extremist, what kind of zany mischief will they get into next?

Give me a snappy title and I can have you in Syndication by Friday....

320 Kruk  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:03:07pm

re: #291 EmmmieG

Caste Football. (Oh, goodness gracious. Castes have caused so much misery in India. Can we just leave a really bad idea alone?)

Ha! Just about everyone in my family in the last two generations has been scientists, health workers and engineers. By and large, we fix people and things.

According to the old caste system though, we belong to the warrior class. We should really be spending more time f**king s**t up.

(I tell my wife that all the time I spend playing Dungeons and Dragons is a tribute to my warrior heritage. She doesn't buy it).

321 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:03:53pm

re: #320 Kruk

Caste Football. (Oh, goodness gracious. Castes have caused so much misery in India. Can we just leave a really bad idea alone?)

Ha! Just about everyone in my family in the last two generations has been scientists, health workers and engineers. By and large, we fix people and things.

According to the old caste system though, we belong to the warrior class. We should really be spending more time f**king s**t up.

(I tell my wife that all the time I spend playing Dungeons and Dragons is a tribute to my warrior heritage. She doesn't buy it).

How about family obligation?

I cannot let my ancestors down!

322 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:04:22pm

re: #315 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Odd Couple 2011: One is a White Supremacist, the other is a Muslim Extremist, what kind of zany mischief will they get into next?

Man those meetings are gonna be weird. By the way, did anyone hear back in 2002ish when I believe a member of the National Alliance openly wanted to form an alliance with Al Queda? August Krehl or something like that was his name. I used to read the SPLC's magazine. Real fascinating stuff about the nuts of the nation.

323 darthstar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:04:27pm

Not intended to be a factual image:

John Kyl getting a mammogram at Planned Parenthood

More here: [Link: mikk2.wordpress.com...]

324 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:05:32pm

My family and my husband's family's castes (if Europeans had them) would be "People who dig ore out of the ground or shovel manure around."

325 Kragar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:06:44pm

re: #319 jamesfirecat

Give me a snappy title and I can have you in Syndication by Friday...

I got it!

Mad about Jews!

326 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:07:31pm

re: #324 EmmmieG

My family and my husband's family's castes (if Europeans had them) would be "People who dig ore out of the ground or shovel manure around."

Our American caste would be the Sliderule Caste.

327 Kruk  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:08:55pm

re: #321 EmmmieG

How about family obligation?

I cannot let my ancestors down!

That might work if any of us had fought a battle in living memory that wasn't the battle of the bulge. (And I don't mean the one in the Ardennnes Forest).

328 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:09:34pm

re: #327 Kruk

That might work if any of us had fought a battle in living memory that wasn't the battle of the bulge. (And I don't mean the one in the Ardennnes Forest).

Oh, we lost that battle.

329 jaunte  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:10:07pm

re: #321 EmmmieG


I cannot let my ancestors down!


Must.... farm... or... open a grocery...

330 Kruk  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:11:04pm

re: #328 EmmmieG

Oh, we lost that battle.

I won *my* battle with the bathroom scales.

In fact, I crushed the life out of them.

331 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:12:42pm

Night people.

332 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:13:20pm

Or would that be the pocket protector caste?

333 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:15:24pm

re: #330 Kruk

I won *my* battle with the bathroom scales.

In fact, I crushed the life out of them.

Snicker.

334 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:16:25pm

The Rockford Files Theme

Youtube Video

[-)

335 Kragar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:19:13pm

re: #334 Gus 802

The Rockford Files Theme

[Video][-)

Youtube Video

Fun fact: They filmed the entire last season without access to a helicopter.

336 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:19:14pm

Simon & Simon Theme

Youtube Video
337 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:20:56pm

re: #335 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

[Video]Fun fact: They filmed the entire last season without access to a helicopter.

Youtube Video

I pity the fool!

338 Kragar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:21:27pm

re: #337 Gus 802

[Video]I pity the fool!

Youtube Video
339 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:28:19pm

re: #336 Gus 802

Simon & Simon Theme

[Video]

Fun show in it's heyday. I loved it back then.

340 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:28:55pm

re: #339 Dark_Falcon

Fun show in it's heyday. I loved it back then.

Still a great watch.

341 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:32:59pm

re: #303 Gus 802

OK But I was thinking "equal but opposite". That is more specifically imagine if you will a Muslim gathering...

Well, let's just say that I think that some people and blogs who will dismiss this would react quite differently in that case.

Shall I name names?

342 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:33:00pm

MOVIN' ON - TV Series

Youtube Video
343 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:33:30pm

re: #341 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, let's just say that I think that some people and blogs who will dismiss this would react quite differently in that case.

Shall I name names?

Nah. I can read minds. ;)

344 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:34:02pm

re: #309 EmmmieG

Do not visit the sites I just listed. I was collecting amusing stuff from them, and one of them did something nasty to my computer. Launched a website that then kept replicating itself.

I will say that the one before that is listing a scholarshiop that you must prove your whiteness with a DNA test to collect.

Have they awarded this scholarship? To anyone who isn't from Oslo?

345 Kragar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:35:23pm

re: #342 Gus 802

MOVIN' ON - TV Series

[Video]

Youtube Video
346 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:36:02pm

re: #344 SanFranciscoZionist

Have they awarded this scholarship? To anyone who isn't from Oslo?

Don't know, and I think I'll wait for the verdict from Norton before I go back.

347 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:38:31pm

re: #345 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

[Video]

I went through a "I want to be a truck driver stage" in my teens.

348 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:38:53pm

re: #342 Gus 802

Hobo with a shotgun

Youtube Video
349 Kragar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:39:10pm

re: #347 Gus 802

I went through a "I want to be a truck driver stage" in my teens.

Youtube Video
350 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:39:31pm

re: #344 SanFranciscoZionist

Have they awarded this scholarship? To anyone who isn't from Oslo?

One of them is busy translating "The Ashkenazi Revolution."

Not sure what, exactly, this is. Is it more like the Industrial Revolution or the Sexual Revolution?

351 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:39:36pm

re: #347 Gus 802

I went through a "I want to be a truck driver stage" in my teens.

I considered it once. But I've got an uncle who's one that pretty much put the kibosh on that idea.

352 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:41:04pm

re: #348 Killgore Trout

Hobo with a shotgun

[Video]

Ouch! NSFW ;)

353 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:42:54pm

re: #352 Gus 802

Ouch! NSFW ;)

Those still at work at 9:42 Pacific have more problems than my links.

354 Kragar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:43:25pm

re: #348 Killgore Trout

Hobo with a shotgun

[Video]

It looks at least as good as Surf Nazis must die.

Youtube Video
355 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:43:33pm

re: #351 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I considered it once. But I've got an uncle who's one that pretty much put the kibosh on that idea.

Diesel fuel is too expensive. Too much paperwork. Etc., etc. Speed, Doans pills and Preparation-H.

356 jaunte  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:43:35pm

re: #348 Killgore Trout

That hobo's from Bruekelen.

357 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:44:50pm

re: #343 Gus 802

Nah. I can read minds. ;)

But those who would hate on the Muslims but not the Nazis tend not to have thoughts to read.

[waves to the Stalkers]

358 freetoken  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:46:28pm

re: #348 Killgore Trout

Nothing like a little bit of gratuitous violence here or there to spice up a movie.

359 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:47:47pm

re: #353 Killgore Trout

Those still at work at 9:42 Pacific have more problems than my links.

Oh yea man...... you can't go wrong with Rutger Hauer on a shotgun rampage. I put it in my Netflix que.

360 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:48:23pm

I'm heading to bed. Goodnight, all.

361 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:49:08pm

Googled it. It turns out that Ashkenazi Jews have actual control of time itself (Alouette, SFZ, Obdicut--I need two more hours between two and four so I can get more sleep. Thanks.) and therefore are and will remain superior to Sephardic Jews.

I think I'm in Aliens ruled Egypt territory again.

362 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:49:52pm

re: #355 Gus 802

Diesel fuel is too expensive. Too much paperwork. Etc., etc. Speed, Doans pills and Preparation-H.

He kinda sprung it on me while I was watching Ice Road Truckers one day. He told me that they glamorize the lifestyle, that it's lonely and soul-sucking work, and nobody should want to be one.

It took me by surprise, as my uncle's a rather soft-spoken man, though I understand that he was a major hell-raiser in his youth and used to have a hair-trigger temper. Apparently took up truck driving because it was the only way he could be by himself for any length of time.

363 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:53:31pm

re: #354 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It looks at least as good as Surf Nazis must die.

[Video]

Leroy's momma rules!

364 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:58:55pm

BTW, Mad Max has been released with the original audio without the annoying American accent overdubs.

Youtube Video
365 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 9:59:04pm

The Thin Red Line - Trailer - (1998)

Youtube Video
366 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:00:02pm

re: #364 Killgore Trout

BTW, Mad Max has been released with the original audio without the annoying American accent overdubs.

[Video]

Weren't they supposed to be making the fourth film in the series?

367 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:00:41pm

This is one of the most amazing things I have ever seen. Absolutely surreal.

World's biggest pickup truck

Youtube Video

Eat your hearts out, Lubbockites

368 Kragar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:02:22pm

re: #366 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Weren't they supposed to be making the fourth film in the series?

They're working on it, but the director is working on the sequel to Happy Feet 2 first.

369 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:03:19pm

re: #365 Gus 802

The Thin Red Line - Trailer - (1998)

[Video]

White Line Fever 1975....... I've seen this phenomena on the freeway before.

Youtube Video
370 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:04:05pm

re: #367 Shiplord Kirel

This is one of the most amazing things I have ever seen. Absolutely surreal.

World's biggest pickup truck

[Video]Eat your hearts out, Lubbockites

That's hilarious. It makes everything look like a miniature.

371 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:04:19pm

re: #368 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They're working on it, but the director is working on the sequel to Happy Feet 2 first.

Curses!

372 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:04:23pm

I think it stime to finish spelunking on teh Internet fo rnow, and go to bed. So you all later.

373 Kragar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:08:51pm

re: #371 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Curses!

A brief overview of George Miller's work

Mad Max: Fury Road (pre-production)

Happy Feet 2 in 3D (post-production)

Happy Feet

Babe: Pig in the City

The Witches of Eastwick

Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome

Twilight Zone: The Movie (segment 4)

Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior

Mad Max

374 Kragar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:09:38pm

re: #373 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oops, left off the original Babe, which he wrote as well.

375 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:11:49pm

re: #374 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oops, left off the original Babe, which he wrote as well.

I wasn't impressed until you mentioned Babe.

376 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:11:51pm

Seems like every movie I really, really want to see is either on the backburner or trekking through the Cursed Earth (aka: Development Hell).

377 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:13:20pm

Ugh. I can see why I never thought much of "Flight of the Intruder."

378 Kragar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:13:36pm

re: #376 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Seems like every movie I really, really want to see is either on the backburner or trekking through the Cursed Earth (aka: Development Hell).

Meanwhile, all the movies which don't need to be made are pushing on thru. The Thing prequel, live action Akira, The Crow remake.

379 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:14:24pm

re: #377 Gus 802

Ugh. I can see why I never thought much of "Flight of the Intruder."

The book or the movie? The book was very good.......

380 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:15:17pm

re: #379 Mr Pancakes

The book or the movie? The book was very good...

The movie. Never read the book which I imagine is miles better. The movie is like. I don't know. Stupid like "Top Gun".

381 Kruk  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:15:47pm

re: #361 EmmmieG

I think I'm in Aliens ruled Egypt territory again.

Oy! What have you got against Stargate SG-1?

/

(Though being serious for a second, I find the fact that both Stargate and Battlestar went for the idea that human civilisation was started by (white) people from space just a little irritating.)

382 Kragar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:16:17pm

re: #380 Gus 802

The movie. Never read the book which I imagine is miles better. The movie is like. I don't know. Stupid like "Top Gun".

The love story?

Youtube Video
383 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:16:27pm

re: #380 Gus 802

The movie. Never read the book which I imagine is miles better. The movie is like. I don't know. Stupid like "Top Gun".

Yep

384 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:16:46pm

re: #380 Gus 802

The movie. Never read the book which I imagine is miles better. The movie is like. I don't know. Stupid like "Top Gun".

That reminds me, the local AMC is having a limited screening of Top Gun in HD on the big screens. Thinking about going, if only to partake in the cheese and catch a few glimpses of the F-14 on the big screen.

385 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:17:10pm

Once Upon a Time in the West

Youtube Video

Namaste, y'all
386 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:17:36pm

re: #378 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Meanwhile, all the movies which don't need to be made are pushing on thru. The Thing prequel, live action Akira, The Crow remake.

A prequel, a remake, and a live action "adaptation." Yeah, Hollywood's not just reached the bottom of the barrel, they've kicked the bitch over and started digging where it was sitting.

387 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:17:37pm

re: #384 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That reminds me, the local AMC is having a limited screening of Top Gun in HD on the big screens. Thinking about going, if only to partake in the cheese and catch a few glimpses of the F-14 on the big screen.

Top Gun has so much cheese you won't take a shit for weeks!

//

388 Kruk  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:18:14pm

re: #380 Gus 802

The movie. Never read the book which I imagine is miles better. The movie is like. I don't know. Stupid like "Top Gun".

Three words, Maverick.

Radar. Guided. Missiles.

389 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:18:23pm

"Battle of Britain" Now there's a good air war movie.

390 Kragar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:20:47pm

re: #386 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

A prequel, a remake, and a live action "adaptation." Yeah, Hollywood's not just reached the bottom of the barrel, they've kicked the bitch over and started digging where it was sitting.

Meanwhile, Del Toro's "At the Mountains of Madness" project is dead because the studios don't want to waste their money since Del Toro wouldn't budge on giving it a happy ending or a love interest.

391 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:21:00pm

re: #387 Gus 802

Top Gun has so much cheese you won't take a shit for weeks!

//

Yeah, I've heard enough of that from my old man over the years. He'll watch the opening credits, but that's about it. The rest of the film, he's either laughing his ass off or pointing out all the flaws.

392 Querent  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:22:42pm

re: #260 EmmmieG

A few White girls had t-shirts on that explicitly acknowledged their whiteness.

A good sunburn would do the same, and you could put flowers on your shirt. Or owls. My daughter has an adorable owl-with-a-fedora t-shirt.

Yep.

"So white it's painful..."

393 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:24:02pm

re: #391 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, I've heard enough of that from my old man over the years. He'll watch the opening credits, but that's about it. The rest of the film, he's either laughing his ass off or pointing out all the flaws.

Yea the opening song with Kenny Loggins when the crew is on deck, cranked at full volume makes the hairs stand up. If you don't believe me....... try it.

394 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:24:46pm

re: #393 Mr Pancakes

Yea the opening song with Kenny Loggins when the crew is on deck, cranked at full volume makes the hairs stand up. If you don't believe me... try it.

Danger zone song? Eek. ;)

395 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:25:34pm

re: #387 Gus 802

Top Gun has so much cheese you won't take a shit for weeks!

//

They lost me as soon as they introduced a renegade pilot named Maverick. I thought, this has got to be friggin' joke. And it was, I just don't think it was meant to be.

396 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:27:23pm

re: #395 Shiplord Kirel

They lost me as soon as they introduced a renegade pilot named Maverick. I thought, this has got to be friggin' joke. And it was, I just don't think it was meant to be.

And everyone is basically acting like they're 16 years old. It's just a very strange, goofy, movie.

397 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:28:52pm

Dakka, dakka, dakka, dakka!

398 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:29:06pm
Youtube Video
399 freetoken  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:31:12pm

re: #390 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

American movie goers don't like movies that challenge their beliefs.

That's one problem that the American movie made from THGTTG ran into - the moviemakers turned a British comedy story with ironic insights into the human condition into a love story, because American's don't want to hear that human life has no meaning in the big picture of the universe.

400 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:32:18pm

Flyboys was pretty good.

401 Kragar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:32:51pm

re: #397 Gus 802

Dakka, dakka, dakka, dakka!

ORKS!!!

Youtube Video
402 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:33:50pm

Yeah, not the best quality, but it's the best version I could find of the intro:

Youtube Video
403 Kragar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:34:05pm

re: #399 freetoken

American movie goers don't like movies that challenge their beliefs.

That's one problem that the American movie made from THGTTG ran into - the moviemakers turned a British comedy story with ironic insights into the human condition into a love story, because American's don't want to hear that human life has no meaning in the big picture of the universe.

US vs British movies

Youtube Video
404 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:34:15pm

re: #399 freetoken

American movie goers don't like movies that challenge their beliefs.

That's one problem that the American movie made from THGTTG ran into - the moviemakers turned a British comedy story with ironic insights into the human condition into a love story, because American's don't want to hear that human life has no meaning in the big picture of the universe.

I could never get into that.
/

405 SpaceJesus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:34:47pm

wow, just came across this... weird american history techno thing...

Youtube Video
406 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:35:05pm

re: #399 freetoken

American movie goers don't like movies that challenge their beliefs.

That's one problem that the American movie made from THGTTG ran into - the moviemakers turned a British comedy story with ironic insights into the human condition into a love story, because American's don't want to hear that human life has no meaning in the big picture of the universe.

But...but...Marvin!

407 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:36:13pm

re: #403 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

US vs British movies

[Video]

You talkin' to me?

/

408 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:38:57pm

re: #407 Gus 802

You talkin' to me?

/

Well I'm the only one here.
/

409 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:46:27pm

British movies are pretty dry......... I watch them and I've liked some. I thought The King's Speech was very good. Happy Go Lucky was fun..

410 freetoken  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:47:44pm

re: #409 Mr Pancakes

Funny thing is, many movies by "American" companies use studios in the UK, and of course British actors.

411 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:49:16pm

I'll be honest, I'm having a hard time trying to think of many British films I've seen, outside of British comedies...or the occasional British horror film...or Doctor Who...

412 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:50:37pm

re: #410 freetoken

Funny thing is, many movies by "American" companies use studios in the UK, and of course British actors.

Yep....... I call it a British movie if I can't understand them and turn on the subtitles.

413 Kragar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:52:35pm

re: #412 Mr Pancakes

Yep... I call it a British movie if I can't understand them and turn on the subtitles.

Yi liik dags?

414 Gus  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:52:39pm

re: #411 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'll be honest, I'm having a hard time trying to think of many British films I've seen, outside of British comedies...or the occasional British horror film...or Doctor Who...

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

415 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:52:57pm

re: #413 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yi liik dags?

Eh?

416 Kragar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:54:18pm

re: #415 Mr Pancakes

Eh?

Dags.

Youtube Video
417 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:55:25pm

re: #416 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dags.

[Video]

Hahaha..... Brad Pitt........ what movie is that?

418 Kragar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:56:20pm

re: #417 Mr Pancakes

Hahaha... Brad Pitt... what movie is that?

Snatch

Youtube Video
419 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:56:34pm

re: #417 Mr Pancakes

Hahaha... Brad Pitt... what movie is that?

Snatch, one of Guy Ritchie's films. I've been meaning to watch it, since I liked Lock, Stock, And Two Smoking Barrels.

420 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:58:08pm

re: #418 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Snatch

[Video]

Cool, in my que........ I love snatch.

421 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 10:59:23pm

re: #419 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Snatch, one of Guy Ritchie's films. I've been meaning to watch it, since I liked Lock, Stock, And Two Smoking Barrels.

I saw RocknRolla and was not impressed.

422 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 11:01:35pm

Iirc, the aptly named Maverick flamed five MiGs in the climactic dogfight of Top Gun, thereby proving that insolence, mutiny, poor discipline, and unbridled emotion will bring victory in technological warfare.

423 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 11:01:37pm

re: #421 Mr Pancakes

I saw RocknRolla and was not impressed.

He's also the one who directed the recent Sherlock Holmes film, with a sequel coming out this year.

424 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 11:04:38pm

re: #423 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

He's also the one who directed the recent Sherlock Holmes film, with a sequel coming out this year.

Yea... I've been wanting to see that..... Robert Downey Jr right?

Lock, Stock, And Two Smoking Barrels in que.......

425 Kragar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 11:06:06pm

re: #422 Shiplord Kirel

Iirc, the aptly named Maverick flamed five MiGs in the climactic dogfight of Top Gun, thereby proving that insolence, mutiny, poor discipline, and unbridled emotion will bring victory in technological warfare.

Psst...that wasn't real.

426 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 11:06:51pm

RocknRolla to me seemed he wanted to capture the essence of Quentin Tarantino ...... but missed big time.

427 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 11:07:02pm

re: #424 Mr Pancakes

Yea... I've been wanting to see that... Robert Downey Jr right?

Lock, Stock, And Two Smoking Barrels in que...

Ayep. It's kinda funny that Downey has found his niche in Hollywood, playing characters with arrogant, flighty personalities who are have a predilection to get high/drunk.

428 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 11:08:30pm

re: #427 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Ayep. It's kinda funny that Downey has found his niche in Hollywood, playing characters with arrogant, flighty personalities who are have a predilection to get high/drunk.

I gained a whole new respect for him because of Iron Man.

429 freetoken  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 11:09:05pm

The ultimate gold mine, even more so than, er, gold:

New Anti-Aging Pill Under Fire

[...]

Made from a Chinese herb called Astragalus membranaceus, the “nutraceutical” is referred to by the equally futuristic and drab-sounding name of TA-65. And it claims to reverse the clock at a cellular level, all the way down to our DNA. The capsule ranges from $1,200 to $4,000 for a six-month supply, depending on the dose.

[...]

The mainstream scientific community has, for the most part, viewed the supplement extremely skeptically. But a new study, backed up by a few scientific heavyweights, suggests that it may just work. The paper appears today in Aging Cell—though the journal was so eager to get the word out that it posted it online in late March, even before the acknowledgments were complete. My quest to investigate the study, however, led to a tangled web of believers and nonbelievers, and a raging controversy in the field of anti-aging research. Is T.A. Sciences marketing snake oil, or a ticket to prolonged youth?

[...]

430 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 11:10:45pm

re: #428 Mr Pancakes

I gained a whole new respect for him because of Iron Man.

Yeah, I remember a lot of Marvel comic fans getting a laugh out of it when he was cast, saying he was "perfect" for the role.

431 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 11:10:52pm

re: #429 freetoken

The ultimate gold mine, even more so than, er, gold:

New Anti-Aging Pill Under Fire

Viagra is cheaper.

432 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 11:12:39pm

re: #430 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, I remember a lot of Marvel comic fans getting a laugh out of it when he was cast, saying he was "perfect" for the role.

He really was.......

433 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 11:19:08pm

re: #425 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Psst...that wasn't real.

I had suspected that.

434 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 11:20:24pm

Talking about 80s TV and film has got me thinking about how hilarious it is to watch the old "futuristic" films, especially the ones that took place either in the 90s or 00s.

435 Kragar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 11:22:25pm

re: #434 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Talking about 80s TV and film has got me thinking about how hilarious it is to watch the old "futuristic" films, especially the ones that took place either in the 90s or 00s.

What do you mean?

Youtube Video
436 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 11:25:07pm

First film that came to mind was:

Youtube Video
437 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 11:27:41pm

re: #435 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What do you mean?

[Video]

That was cool.... the guy at the end had a Skoal T-shirt.

438 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 11:29:33pm

Maverick's sidekick in Top Gun and Mel Gibson's in Mad Max were both named "Goose" and both were killed. I suppose being called Goose in an action/adventure film is equivalent to a red shirt in Star Trek.

439 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 11:31:47pm

re: #438 Shiplord Kirel

Maverick's sidekick in Top Gun and Mel Gibson's in Mad Max were both named "Goose" and both were killed. I suppose being called Goose in an action/adventure film is equivalent to a red shirt in Star Trek.

Image: insp_expendability.png

440 Kragar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 11:32:09pm

re: #436 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

First film that came to mind was:

[Video]

2010 comes to mind.

Youtube Video
441 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 11:34:58pm

re: #440 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

2010 comes to mind.

[Video]

Yeah, any film or TV show depicting the Soviet Union still existing in the 90s or beyond is hilarious in hindsight.

442 Kragar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 11:37:23pm

re: #441 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, any film or TV show depicting the Soviet Union still existing in the 90s or beyond is hilarious in hindsight.

And of course Red Dawn immediately takes the lead.

443 freetoken  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 11:38:41pm

Billboard's top hit from 1946:

MP3 Audio
444 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 11:39:08pm

re: #442 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And of course Red Dawn immediately takes the lead.

Yeah, they're in the process of remaking it. Heard recently that they decided, in the interest of ensuring global distribution (hint, hint), to change the invading forces from the Chinese to the North Koreans.

The guys over at Kaos Studios apparently beat them to the punch.

445 Kragar  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 11:42:38pm

re: #444 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, they're in the process of remaking it. Heard recently that they decided, in the interest of ensuring global distribution (hint, hint), to change the invading forces from the Chinese to the North Koreans.

The guys over at Kaos Studios apparently beat them to the punch.

Which is about as likely as the US being invaded by Malta.

446 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 11:45:45pm

re: #445 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Which is about as likely as the US being invaded by Malta.

Yeah, but apparently they decided that an unbelievable movie was better than one that would be banned in China.

447 freetoken  Wed, Apr 13, 2011 11:59:24pm

One of the hits of 1952:

MP3 Audio
448 freetoken  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 12:41:34am

Forty two years ago this week, the top hit in the US (and elsewhere):

MP3 Audio
449 EdDantes  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 12:46:18am

re: #448 freetoken

43 years ago? It can't be. I was in 7th grade then.

450 freetoken  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 12:47:22am

re: #449 EdDantes

1969.

It entered the #1 spot this week of the month, and stayed there for 6 weeks total.

451 engineer cat  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 12:50:40am

donald trump may really be a republican

and donald trump might be old news in two months

or maybe donald trump hates the republicans and is fucking with them

or maybe he will end up being ross perot with a mammal on his head

all i know is whatever happens, donald trump is no good for the gop

452 EdDantes  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 1:01:42am

re: #451 engineer dog

Trump as a Presidential candidate shows the desperation of my party, the gop.Their best bet is to draft either Paul Ryan or Chris Christie, IMNSHO.

453 engineer cat  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 1:09:56am

re: #452 EdDantes

Trump as a Presidential candidate shows the desperation of my party, the gop.Their best bet is to draft either Paul Ryan or Chris Christie, IMNSHO.

i think paul ryan just wrote, signed, and submitted the death warrant for the republican party

454 EdDantes  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 1:16:04am

re: #453 engineer dog

I just got home from vacation today so I don't know what Ryan said in response to Obama. I will look catch up tomorrow.

455 EdDantes  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 1:22:50am

Good night, everyone.

456 simoom  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 1:30:27am

KKK flyer's distributed in Ohio:
[Link: www.cantonrep.com...]

When Jennifer Podis-Wells picked up the plastic bag that held her Saturday morning newspaper, her 6-year-old daughter spotted another clear plastic bag that held a half dozen marbles and several folded papers.

“She said, ‘I think that’s for me,’ ” Podis-Wells recalled. “We thought this was one of those little chain letters from her friends giving her marbles. She likes marbles.”

Opening the note, the child saw a drawing of a Ku Klux Klansman bearing a large cross and a Bible.

The items in the Ziplock freezer bag obviously weren’t intended for the child, an African-American whose mother is Jewish.
...
Dozens of residents found identical bags tossed into their driveways early Saturday morning ...

The fliers named the United Northern & Southern Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and listed an address and a website.

The words on one announce that “Only you can help save our white culture!” On another: “We are looking for white, Christian men and women that have the same beliefs in God-race-nation...” and it asks that anyone interested contact its national office in Fraser, Mich

457 freetoken  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 1:38:14am
MP3 Audio
458 engineer cat  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 1:56:38am

RYAN PLAN - SERIOUS SUICIDE ATTEMPT OR MERELY A DESPERATE PLEA FOR HELP

specialists are in disagreement as to whether the gop was in serious despair of any future happiness or merely attempting to draw attention do its serious and life-threatening teabag infestation last week when it committed an apparent act of suicide

the republican party attempted to, and may have succeeded in, alienating the most conservative and reliable block of conservative voters in the united states, senior citizens and those approaching that age, by announcing plans to destroy medicare and distribute the dismembered remains to its wealthy donors. the plan envisions handing out coupons that the elderly could use to attempt to purchase medical insurance on the open market

older people are, of course, the worst possible risk for health insurers. not only are they by far the most likely to need expensive care, but are also the least likely to be able to pay back the insurance companies

"it's not unusual that a teenager's desperate plea for attention goes wrong and results in serious lasting damage or death, and this might be what happened in this case" said dr ernest toungue. a therapist at the walgreen's medical center - a widely utilized source of health care including pap smears and other cancer testing - disagreed - "nobody in their right mind could imagine for a second that the american people would be stupid enough to fall for this - this was a deliberate attempt on the part of the republican party to destroy itself permamently"

459 simoom  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 1:59:49am

Heh, glancing at some of the current Politico headlines:

Obama leaves GOP in no mood to deal

Obama to soak rich, please Dems

Did Biden nod off during speech?

Obama's deficit speech: 'Vapid'?

Obama: Cut $400B from security

:rolleyes:

460 freetoken  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 2:17:37am

re: #459 simoom

Heh, if you think those are bad you ought to check out the Townhall headlines!

461 freetoken  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 2:44:57am
MP3 Audio
462 hugh59  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 3:07:49am

I guess the implication is that because there are a few loose nuts there, that everyone at the event is a loose nut. I have never been to the event, but I have friends who have gone. Some of them are WW II reinactors and, oy vey, some of them dress at Germans (though not SS).

I am Jewish. I had an older brother who collected German WWII memorabilia. He had "issues." He later committed suicide. In 2008 I auctioned off the possessions in my mother's house. My late brother's collection was still there. I felt uncomfortable selling off the German WWII stuff, but it ended up bringing quite a bit of money in...money that will pay mom's living expenses. I had a chance to talk with some of the collectors; they were not neo-nazis.

Another thing, a lot of WWII veterans collected nazi memorabilia on the battlefield and brought it home. Some of the stuff we see may have been brought over by veterans. I don't think that most of them as as easily as some of the comments here may suggest.

463 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 3:09:43am

re: #462 hugh59

I don't think that most of them as as easily as some of the comments here may suggest.

But what if you accidentally the whole thing?

/

Did you have a point?

And is Hugh your first name?

464 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 3:24:26am

re: #7 Obdicut

How can you sell Nazi memorabilia at an event that might have WWII veterans attending? What bastards.

That honestly offends me more than the antisemitism. Selling the symbol of the regime that did its damnedest to kill American soldiers.

these people are animals, they don't think ahead, it's just dumb anger, dumb resentment, dumb damaged people expressing themselves in nasty ways.

465 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 3:29:27am

re: #462 hugh59

if you see this: Image: 3417319928_ed71570bb2.jpg

at your gun shows, just know that you're in danger. you are unwise to be attending such events. You can't possibly be this naive.

There is a real racist xenophobic culture in this country. These people are attracted to gun shows. You must know this, if you're telling the truth.

These people are dumb, nasty, violent, garbage, and they are empowered by guns.

And anyone who is selling guns at a gun show next to one of these wacko types is allowing themselves to be colored darkly by participating in an event with pretend nazis.

They feel protected by guns. And they want a reason to become more violent. They're looking for violence, they just need cover.

466 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 3:31:00am

re: #441 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, any film or TV show depicting the Soviet Union still existing in the 90s or beyond is hilarious in hindsight.

or just fun because you can go hee hee alternate reality harry turtledove whoop whoop

467 researchok  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 3:41:21am

Morning, all

468 researchok  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 3:47:00am

re: #461 freetoken

[Video]

Where is that from? It's very good.

I like the guitar/orchestral thing.

469 freetoken  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 3:48:53am

re: #468 researchok

I forget - I was going through a bunch of music links this morning and posting some of the songs while I was listening to them. I do remember that it was not a well known composer.

470 researchok  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 3:49:56am

re: #469 freetoken

I forget - I was going through a bunch of music links this morning and posting some of the songs while I was listening to them. I do remember that it was not a well known composer.

It is a great piece.

471 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 3:59:01am

Printemps in the Rockies...

Image: outside.jpg

Local mountain cam.

472 freetoken  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 4:04:42am

re: #470 researchok

Here it is: Grusin's "Canto Invierno".

Don't know which Grusin it is, but I think this one:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

473 researchok  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 4:08:47am

re: #471 Walter L. Newton

Printemps in the Rockies...

Image: outside.jpg

Local mountain cam.

Today???

474 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 4:09:24am

re: #471 Walter L. Newton

By mid-april the snow should be gone. Has congress looked into this? They were expecting flurries in Indy saturday but they've changed it to almost 3" of rain.

475 freetoken  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 4:10:54am

re: #470 researchok

For 99 pennies you can buy a better quality:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

476 researchok  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 4:11:40am

re: #474 RogueOne

By mid-april the snow should be gone. Has congress looked into this? They were expecting flurries in Indy saturday but they've changed it to almost 3" of rain.

High today forecast in Raleigh today a comfortable 75-77

477 researchok  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 4:12:20am

re: #475 freetoken

For 99 pennies you can buy a better quality:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Do you have more of his stuff?

478 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 4:13:43am

re: #473 researchok

Today???

Right now.

479 laZardo  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 4:23:14am

re: #11 jamesfirecat

“Nothing brings families together like blowing stuff apart…safely.”

I thought that was the Mythbusters slogan...

Actually, it's Top Gear's.

Youtube Video
480 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 4:43:34am

2 days ago I got a call from an old customer that tears down cell/radio towers. He has a ton of requests for doing repair work and wanted to know if I would be interested. Basically, I'd have to climb 300' up a cell tower and weld a bunch of stiffeners and kickers. Sounded like fun until yesterday:

2 workers die in Ind. radio tower accident
[Link: content.usatoday.net...]


COLBURN, Ind. (AP) — Two contract workers from Texas fell 340 feet to their deaths Wednesday while working on a radio tower under construction in north-central Indiana, sheriff's officials said.

Ernesto Garcia, 29, and Paul Aliss, 32, were assembling the tower at the construction site in Colburn, about 70 miles northwest of Indianapolis, when the accident occurred around 9 a.m., said Tippecanoe County sheriff's Lt. Dan McGruw.

Pieces of the tower fell as the men were installing another segment of the planned 500-foot tower, Tippecanoe Sheriff Tracy Brown told the Lafayette Journal & Courier. The men were wearing safety harnesses when they fell, but there was a malfunction with a parallel support device attached to the tower but not planted in the ground, authorities said.

340' is a long way down, you have time to think about it before you slam into the pavement.

481 laZardo  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 4:46:45am

re: #480 RogueOne

At least it's only 300 feet...

Youtube Video
482 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 4:50:08am

re: #481 laZardo

Wow. Screw that. I'd want a 'chute.

483 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 5:20:16am

Texas GOP Rep. Introduces Sharia Ban Because He Heard Sharia Is A Threat On The Radio, Asks ‘Isn’t That True?’

“I heard it on a radio station here on my way in to the Capitol one day,” Berman said Monday in an interview. “I don’t know Dearborn, Michigan but I heard it (Sharia is accepted law here) on the radio. Isn’t that true?“

484 garhighway  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 5:22:49am

re: #106 negativ

I'm not exactly a gun nut, but I do appreciate firearms, and I think that anyone who isn't a criminal or a lunatic should be able to own as many of whatever kind they want -- to an extent. You're not going to find me arguing in favor of your right to attach an M61 Vulcan to your dual-cab Dodge Compensator, for instance. But all this fuss over "semi-automatic" this and "high-capacity" that is just amazingly infuriating bullshit.

People that are in favor of "gun control" almost always zero in on utterly nonsensical cosmetic or mechanical traits of certain firearms. Bayonet lugs, muzzle breaks, flash suppressors, pistol grip stocks, large-capacity magazines, and other irrelevant crap. As far as I can tell, this is because the people making and supporting these laws generally learned everything they know about firearms from TV and movies -- and that also includes lots of anti-gun law enforcement officials I've heard over the years. Along that line, it bears reiterating that Michael Moore is an asshole.

I've been to a few (not many) gun shows and to all kinds of firing ranges, and while I've never encountered any neo-Nazis or militia types, I have met an uncomfortably large number of stereotype-reinforcing rednecks who, in my estimation, have no business driving a car, much less owning a firearm.

This article at Daily Kos is spot-on, and I wish more left-of-crazy types would come around to this way of thinking.

The article deliberately ignores the phrase "well-regulated", as in "a well-regulated militia being necessary..."

Knowing that we are to interpret the Constitution so that every word and phrase matter, we need to give that phrase meaning. Second Amendment absolutists read that phrase right out of the document.

The Heller court glossed over this. The Kos article did, too.

If you are going to regulate a militia, wouldn't one of things you want to regulate be the type of weapon its members bring to the battle? Would you want 50 kinds of weapons requiring 50 kinds of ammo? Doesn't that imply that regulating the kind of weapons people can possess is within the government's purview?

485 laZardo  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 5:31:35am

From the Kos article:

A drive-by shooting, back in 1776, would have been a guy on a horse with a musket.

Back in the day, one could not go about the acquisition of gardening utensils and female canines without much difficulty. However, it was important then - as is now - to not despise the racketeer, but the sports he partook in.

486 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 5:34:30am

re: #484 garhighway

The article deliberately ignores the phrase "well-regulated", as in "a well-regulated militia being necessary..."

Knowing that we are to interpret the Constitution so that every word and phrase matter, we need to give that phrase meaning. Second Amendment absolutists read that phrase right out of the document.

The Heller court glossed over this. The Kos article did, too.

If you are going to regulate a militia, wouldn't one of things you want to regulate be the type of weapon its members bring to the battle? Would you want 50 kinds of weapons requiring 50 kinds of ammo? Doesn't that imply that regulating the kind of weapons people can possess is within the government's purview?

In 18th century parlance, "well-regulated" meant 'disciplined" or "well-trained". As it, "made regular".

Alexander Hamilton in Federalist Papers #29:

The project of disciplining all the militia of the United States is as futile as it would be injurious if it were capable of being carried into execution. A tolerable expertness in military movements is a business that requires time and practice. It is not a day, nor a week nor even a month, that will suffice for the attainment of it. To oblige the great body of the yeomanry and of the other classes of the citizens to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well regulated militia, would be a real grievance to the people and a serious public inconvenience and loss.

Journals of the Continental Congress, 1774-1789:

Resolved , That this appointment be conferred on experienced and vigilant general officers, who are acquainted with whatever relates to the general economy, manoeuvres and discipline of a well regulated army.

In the passage that follows, do you think the U.S. government was concerned because the Creek Indians' tribal regulations were superior to those of the Wabash or was it because they represented a better trained and disciplined fighting force?

That the strength of the Wabash Indians who were principally the object of the resolve of the 21st of July 1787, and the strength of the Creek Indians is very different. That the said Creeks are not only greatly superior in numbers but are more united, better regulated, and headed by a man whose talents appear to have fixed him in their confidence. That from the view of the object your Secretary has been able to take he conceives that the only effectual mode of acting against the said Creeks in case they should persist in their hostilities would be by making an invasion of their country with a powerful body of well regulated troops always ready to combat and able to defeat any combination of force the said Creeks could oppose and to destroy their towns and provisions.

487 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 5:37:34am

Ugh, still cold and rainy. Feels like it will never end.

488 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 5:38:31am

re: #486 negativ

Are gun owners today required to go through gun and gun safety training.
Not that I know...

489 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 5:39:43am

re: #488 Varek Raith

Are gun owners today required to go through gun and gun safety training.
Not that I know...

If they wish to carry weapons in public, yes. At least in most states.

Now leave me alone, internets. I have to go to work!

490 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 5:41:14am

re: #488 Varek Raith

Are gun owners today required to go through gun and gun safety training.
Not that I know...

I think concealed carry permits might require some sort of safety test or something.

491 laZardo  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 5:42:24am

Drive-by militia life in 1776:

"They observe me employing my horse-drawn carriage for the purposes of transport. They despise it, and prowling the cobblestones they seek to apprehend me in a criminal act.

492 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 5:42:41am

re: #489 negativ

If they wish to carry weapons in public, yes. At least in most states.

Now leave me alone, internets. I have to go to work!

re: #490 Killgore Trout

I think concealed carry permits might require some sort of safety test or something.

Thank you.
Still, it should be required to anyone owning a gun.
My 2 cents.

493 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 5:43:41am

Wingnut censorship....
Federal aid story prompted Falwell to block Lynchburg paper

Jerry Falwell Jr.‘s Liberty University blocked access to N&A’s website for at least one day last week, and that “Falwell did not elaborate on the reason.” I asked the reporter via e-mail if she had any idea what prompted Falwell’s move. Barry never responded, but I’ve since learned that it was her earlier story that got the paper blocked.
...
Salon.com linked to Barry’s story and pointed out the conservative college got more government cash than NPR last year.

494 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 5:45:05am

GOP: Obama's Speech So Partisan We'll Never Reach Budget Agreement
What a bunch of sanctimonious babies.

495 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 5:57:09am

Uhhh,,,,,,Is this real?
GWU Suicide Tragically Coincides with Obama Speech‬

George Washington University students in Washington, D.C. learned of a tragic coincidence of timing on their campus Wednesday. As President Obama delivered a speech on deficit reduction in the Jack Morton Auditorium, university officials were learning one of their students had committed suicide in his dorm room across campus.
.....
GWU officials tell Fox that police were notified about the incident around 2pm, which happens to be at the same time that President Obama was speaking. A source tells Fox that the incident may have occurred earlier, noting that police went knocking on the student's door at 1:30pm. As of this writing, Fox has not been able to obtain reaction from the White House.

496 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 6:03:05am

re: #495 Killgore Trout

Uhhh,,,Is this real?
GWU Suicide Tragically Coincides with Obama Speech‬

The hell???

497 The Left  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 6:03:37am

Today's Scots word of the day: Boufin.

To describe a particularly bad smell or odour.Generally pertaining to the body, especially that of one unwashed.

Example: "Good grief Farquar! yer feet are boufin..it's aboot time ye threw away they gutties and washed yer plates of meat."

So many scots words seem to be about nasty smells or bad weather.

498 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 6:06:10am

re: #496 Varek Raith

The hell???

I thought maybe it was a parody site spoofing a fox url but it seems genuine.

499 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 6:07:37am

re: #498 Killgore Trout

I thought maybe it was a parody site spoofing a fox url but it seems genuine.

Thought the comments seem to be sane.

500 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 6:07:54am

re: #499 Varek Raith

Though the comments seem to be sane.


Preview hates me.

501 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 6:10:06am

re: #500 Varek Raith


I think that's because reddit linked to it.

502 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 6:10:46am

re: #501 Killgore Trout

I think that's because reddit linked to it.

Heh.

503 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 6:11:10am

Police: Boyfriend of Duke lacrosse accuser reported dead
[Link: www.newsobserver.com...]


The boyfriend of Crystal Mangum -- stabbed April 3 during a domestic altercation -- has died, Durham police confirmed this morning.

Durham police watch commander Lt. B. Reitz confirmed the death but did not have any information on additional charges against Mangum, who is currently in the Durham County jail on a charge of assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill inflicting serious injury. Her bail is set at $300,000.

Durham police spokeswoman Kammie Michael said Reginald Daye died Wednesday evening at Duke Hospital.

She's finally screwed.

504 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 6:11:43am

re: #503 RogueOne

Police: Boyfriend of Duke lacrosse accuser reported dead
[Link: www.newsobserver.com...]

She's finally screwed.

Good grief. She's nuts.

505 Lidane  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 6:13:26am

re: #494 Varek Raith

GOP: Obama's Speech So Partisan We'll Never Reach Budget Agreement
What a bunch of sanctimonious babies.

And a bunch of hypocrites, given their highly partisan agenda so far.

506 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 6:14:00am

Lolwhut.
China bans time travel for television

Hong Kong, China (CNN) – China has been cracking down on dissent of late, as the recent detainment of artist Ai Weiwei suggests.

But the latest guidance on television programming from the State Administration of Radio Film and Television in China borders on the surreal – or, rather, an attack against the surreal.

New guidelines issued on March 31 discourages plot lines that contain elements of "fantasy, time-travel, random compilations of mythical stories, bizarre plots, absurd techniques, even propagating feudal superstitions, fatalism and reincarnation, ambiguous moral lessons, and a lack of positive thinking."

“The government says … TV dramas shouldn’t have characters that travel back in time and rewrite history. They say this goes against Chinese heritage,” reports CNN’s Eunice Yoon. “They also say that myth, superstitions and reincarnation are all questionable.”

507 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 6:17:37am

re: #506 Varek Raith

There goes just about every fun movie there was...
Killjoys.
"Absurd techniques"? The hell is that?

508 Lidane  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 6:23:58am

re: #507 Varek Raith

There goes just about every fun movie there was...
Killjoys.
"Absurd techniques"? The hell is that?

Apparently, anything that isn't a wuxia film with actors on wires doing kung fu.

509 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 6:25:04am

re: #508 Lidane

Apparently, anything that isn't a wuxia film with actors on wires doing kung fu.

I saw a Chinese movie with actors doing kung fu with ice skates.
Absurd?
You be the judge!
:)

510 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 6:27:22am

Look who came crawling back...

Sheen says he may return to 'Two and a Half Men'

LOS ANGELES – Charlie Sheen says he may be reunited with "Two and a Half Men."

In an interview with a Boston radio station Tuesday, Sheen said there have been discussions about bringing him back to the hit CBS sitcom he was fired from last month.

Sheen put the chances of him returning at "85 percent." He didn't offer details in the Sports Hub 98.5 WBZ-FM interview, saying he'd been asked not to divulge anything.

CBS declined to comment, and series producer Warner Bros. Television didn't immediately return a call for comment.

The actor also said his profits from the show's rich syndication deals are being withheld and that's part of his $100 million lawsuit against Warner and the show's executive producer.

Sheen was in Boston for his nationwide road show that has drawn mixed audience reaction.

511 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 6:32:06am

re: #508 Lidane

Wuxia film? What's that?

512 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 6:41:47am

Good Morning from SoCal
Obdicut, I've put up a page related to a recent one of yours.

Obdicut put up a page about drone strikes and target identification. Tough where the enemy wears no uniform and mingles freely with the local civilian population. In any case the Air Force is looking for help on this. From Wired.
Paged

513 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 6:44:26am

re: #510 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

If they bring him back after everything he's said then he's "winning, duh". It's only an 85% chance he'll be back but his "success rate is 100%". "It's about commerce dude, it's all about commerce". Tiger blood, Adonis DNA.

[Link: www.stuff.co.nz...]

514 kirkspencer  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 6:48:11am

re: #511 ProLifeLiberal

Wuxia film? What's that?

Wuxia

Slightly (to tremendously) martial arts, often with wire assists (such as Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon). Story is almost always a reluctant hero's journey begun in tragedy, always has the martial arts, often has militaristic elements.

Kung Fu Panda is considered exemplary of the genre,

515 Stauff  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 6:50:07am

I wanted to bring attention to this despicable story by Fox. They linked a student suicide to Obama's speech:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

516 Lidane  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 6:50:41am

re: #511 ProLifeLiberal

Wuxia film? What's that?

Ever see Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon? That's wuxia. So is House of Flying Daggers:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

517 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 6:50:45am

re: #513 RogueOne

Rumors abound in Studio City & environs that in fact the deal is done. CBS was going to lose so much money! The rumor is Executive Producer Chuck Lorre who Charlie insulted will be shunted to another assignment despite deep involvement in the successes of the show, and Les Moonves made the deal with Charlie. Dunno how much of this is accurate though.

518 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 6:52:15am

re: #517 Rightwingconspirator

Rumors abound in Studio City & environs that in fact the deal is done. CBS was going to lose so much money! The rumor is Executive Producer Chuck Lorre who Charlie insulted will be shunted to another assignment despite deep involvement in the successes of the show, and Les Moonves made the deal with Charlie. Dunno how much of this is accurate though.

So, movies that have people running sideways along walls?

519 Lidane  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 6:53:20am

re: #514 kirkspencer

Kung Fu Panda is considered exemplary of the genre.

I was surprised how well China responded to Kung Fu Panda. It's actually the first animated film to make over 100 million yuan in theaters there. They loved it.

520 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 6:54:04am

re: #518 Alouette

So, movies that have people running sideways along walls?

Gah. I meant to quote Lidane, not RWC.

521 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 6:54:41am

re: #517 Rightwingconspirator

There's still time for him to screw it up. Remember, he's on a drug:

"It's called Charlie Sheen. It's not available because if you try it, you will die. Your face will melt off, and your children will weep over your exploded body."

522 Lidane  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 6:55:35am

re: #518 Alouette

So, movies that have people running sideways along walls?

Sideways along walls, flying through the air because they're obviously suspended on wires, elaborate costumes and big martial arts battles, the reluctant hero born out of tragedy, etc.

They're a big guilty pleasure of mine because they're so serious and dramatic about everything.

523 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 6:56:19am

re: #520 Alouette

No problem. I was trying to figure the punchline...

524 kirkspencer  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 6:56:51am

re: #519 Lidane

I was surprised how well China responded to Kung Fu Panda. It's actually the first animated film to make over 100 million yuan in theaters there. They loved it.

Yes, but it _is_ wuxia done by some people who actually seem to have understood the genre, and that genre in China is what Westerns used to be in the US; even mediocre does ok.

525 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:00:00am

re: #515 Stauff

I wanted to bring attention to this despicable story by Fox. They linked a student suicide to Obama's speech:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

It's pretty reprehensible but I guess that's what we've come to expect from the idiots at Fox.

526 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:09:50am

Trump continues to exploit the hapless wingnuts to boost the ratings of his reality show....
Trump to make announcement about announcement

Proving once again that Donald Trump knows a bit about publicity, the business man and real estate mogul will make an announcement on the season finale of "Celebrity Apprentice" about his intentions on running for the White House.

On the final episode of the popular TV reality show, Trump "plans to give an announcement date" for his decision on whether he'll make a formal bid for the Republican presidential nomination, senior Trump adviser Michael Cohen confirms to CNN.

527 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:14:13am

Can an IT pro explain this? The Justice dept. cracked down on a botnet crime ring. And it was able to get into millions of private computers, put a deactivate command into the computers and disable the malware. How is that even possible?

Again from Wired.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

528 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:16:41am

re: #527 Rightwingconspirator

If you know how the computer is compromised, you can use that for your own commands. So, they sent an instruction to somehow disable the malware--either killing the process or stopping the service it hijacks or something.

Would make a little more sense to push down an entire fix. I don't know why they didn't.

529 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:18:34am

re: #527 Rightwingconspirator

Can an IT pro explain this? The Justice dept. cracked down on a botnet crime ring. And it was able to get into millions of private computers, put a deactivate command into the computers and disable the malware. How is that even possible?

Again from Wired.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

They used the same method that the hackers used.

530 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:20:22am

re: #528 Obdicut

re: #529 Alouette

Sorcery.
;)

531 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:20:59am

re: #528 Obdicut

I can see if these folks went to the wrong website, or clicked the wrong email or banner. But presumably many of those those computers still had a firewall up. So the good guys got in anyway? I can only surmise they used the same port as the malware. I think I'll continue to enjoy the internet kill switch we all have. The power plug on my hub.

532 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:22:01am

re: #531 Rightwingconspirator

Or the malware might open up a backdoor for them to use.

533 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:22:03am

re: #531 Rightwingconspirator

I can see if these folks went to the wrong website, or clicked the wrong email or banner. But presumably many of those those computers still had a firewall up. So the good guys got in anyway? I can only surmise they used the same port as the malware. I think I'll continue to enjoy the internet kill switch we all have. The power plug on my hub.

It's what I do. If I'm not surfing the web, I disconnect the wire.

534 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:23:21am

re: #527 Rightwingconspirator

Can an IT pro explain this? The Justice dept. cracked down on a botnet crime ring. And it was able to get into millions of private computers, put a deactivate command into the computers and disable the malware. How is that even possible?

Again from Wired.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

They used the same mechanism that the crackers used which was possible because Windows is inherently insecure and, alas, most users of it don't know what they are doing. I was going to say "are idiots" but that's not really true. Most have never had anyone attempt to teach them appropriate security techniques and so have no real clue.

Sigh. To tie the ends of the thread together lets require safety classes for guns and computers ... // well only a little.

535 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:26:38am

re: #532 Obdicut

That must be it. But the more I learn, the more vulnerable even well managed computers appear to be. New exploits and such keep turning up. Due to some ah, "legacy" software at work we are stuck on XP pro. Those all get shut down at night. So quite often in the mornings we wait for some update to run-. Maybe XP, or flash or firefox. It's worth it.

536 Ericus58  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:28:54am

re: #503 RogueOne

Police: Boyfriend of Duke lacrosse accuser reported dead
[Link: www.newsobserver.com...]

She's finally screwed.

So, have those professor's and what-not's at Duke who all signed a printed statement condemning the lacrosse players BEFORE any trial or proof of crime.... have they ever signed and released a "We fucked Up" document?

Assholes.

537 Ericus58  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:31:36am

re: #516 Lidane

Ever see Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon? That's wuxia. So is House of Flying Daggers:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I own them both.

538 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:33:31am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. If the name Crystal Mangum rings a bell, it should - she was the Duke lacrosse accuser whose bogus claims brought disgrace to the school, ruined three students lives, and brought about the end of a prosecutor's career who ignored all the warning signs about the case and prosecuted despite a lack of corroborating evidence.

Well, she had stabbed her boyfriend after an argument and the guy was in critical condition. Well, she's going to be facing manslaughter or murder charges now that her victim has died of the injuries sustained. That is after being convicted on five misdemeanor counts, including child abuse, this past January when she was accused of setting a fire in her former boyfriend's bathtub, while her children were home.

This woman is nothing but bad jobu for all she comes in contact with - and now she's likely to face murder charges in her latest actions.

539 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:33:34am

Wingnuts have found their talking point.....

Fox spin: Obama: America Wasn't a Great Country Before Medicare

In his major fiscal address today, which called for tax increases, military budget cuts, and entitlement reforms, President Barack Obama said government entitlements make America great.

Beck: Obama's Budget Speech "Shows His Disdain For The Country Prior To FDR"

540 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:35:27am

re: #536 Ericus58

So, have those professor's and what-not's at Duke who all signed a printed statement condemning the lacrosse players BEFORE any trial or proof of crime... have they ever signed and released a "We fucked Up" document?

Assholes.

I saw a comment here a few days ago, dissing lacrosse players in general for being "lilly white and rich". I don't know anything about lacrosse, so I don't know how accurate that would be. But I'd be willing to bet there are at least some folks, not at LGF necessarily, but some folks who believe a "We Fucked Up" document in this case is just, well, not necessary. Nevermind that the lives of these players and their coach were changed forever as a result of this. They probably deserved it, doncha know, because they're oh-so-privileged in other ways. Can't figure how anyone could stretch a brush so broadly about lacrosse players, but there you have it.

541 The Yankee  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:36:38am

re: #539 Killgore Trout

Wingnuts have found their talking point...

Fox spin: Obama: America Wasn't a Great Country Before Medicare

Beck: Obama's Budget Speech "Shows His Disdain For The Country Prior To FDR"


What was good about this country before FDR, how long were people living?
How often the the child or mother die during child birth.
How many women had jobs or an education?
How dangerous was most jobs?
I mean it was hard being a Catholic back then let a lone a Jew or someone who was white or straight.

542 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:36:44am

re: #534 wlewisiii

We do the customary stuff. Changed usernames and passwords in all the right devices. Firewall, antivirus that auto updates. But the game keeps escalating. I had not heard about banner exploits until recently. Now adobe gets a yes to the requested updates.

543 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:37:37am

Off topic, but Pro-Gaddafi guys on FB are acting nuts:

HACKERS, this is a pro-Gaddafi page listing faces saying they should be killed: [Link: goo.gl...] PLEASE HELP! #Libya #Gaddaficrimes

I reported the site to FB for "Credible Threat of Violence."

544 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:37:54am

Wow.

Air traffic chief resigns after series of lapses

545 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:38:43am

re: #538 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. If the name Crystal Mangum rings a bell, it should - she was the Duke lacrosse accuser whose bogus claims brought disgrace to the school, ruined three students lives, and brought about the end of a prosecutor's career who ignored all the warning signs about the case and prosecuted despite a lack of corroborating evidence.

Well, she had stabbed her boyfriend after an argument and the guy was in critical condition. Well, she's going to be facing manslaughter or murder charges now that her victim has died of the injuries sustained. That is after being convicted on five misdemeanor counts, including child abuse, this past January when she was accused of setting a fire in her former boyfriend's bathtub, while her children were home.

This woman is nothing but bad jobu for all she comes in contact with - and now she's likely to face murder charges in her latest actions.

The author Harlan Coben was so distraught about the Duke LaCrosse team being innocent, that he wrote an entire novel "proving" that they were really guilty.

546 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:38:46am

re: #539 Killgore Trout

America has improved incrementally over the decades, and providing a safety net for those who are in their retirement years, are disabled, or who lack the means to provide for themselves is just common sense.

The problem is that the safety net is based on certain assumptions about revenues, funding, etc. and needs to be tweaked to maintain and preserve the safety net for future generations.

547 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:38:49am

re: #540 reine.de.tout

I saw a comment here a few days ago, dissing lacrosse players in general for being "lilly white and rich". I don't know anything about lacrosse, so I don't know how accurate that would be. But I'd be willing to bet there are at least some folks, not at LGF necessarily, but some folks who believe a "We Fucked Up" document in this case is just, well, not necessary. Nevermind that the lives of these players and their coach were changed forever as a result of this. They probably deserved it, doncha know, because they're oh-so-privileged in other ways. Can't figure how anyone could stretch a brush so broadly about lacrosse players, but there you have it.

Oh come on... you know how it is... it's the same as the knuckle dragging, inbred conservatives southerners... they're all on the same side of the rich-white-fat-senior-luddite coin.

It's been explained by many more verbose than me. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

548 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:40:17am

re: #547 Walter L. Newton

Oh come on... you know how it is... it's the same as the knuckle dragging, inbred conservatives southerners... they're all on the same side of the rich-white-fat-senior-luddite coin.

It's been explained by many more verbose than me. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

Being a slack-jawed, inbred southerner myself, I guess I'm just not smart enough.
/

549 garhighway  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:41:47am

re: #486 negativ

It seems to me that the way Hamilton sues the phrase "well regulated" is the same way I do.

But if your answer is that we have to read the words through the understanding of the time, why don't we do that with the word "arms"? I don't think you can have it both ways: either the concept of arms gets updated to include AK 47s and the concept of well regulated gets updated, too, or neither concept does.

Pick your poison.

And for my money, I think the Founders, being smart guys, would shudder at the thought of their words being used to justify people taking semi-automatic weapons into churchs, schools and bars. Their time had no ability for individuals to carry instruments with such lethality into such settings. Were they to see the world we live in now, they wouldn't balk at giving the government the ability to regulate the ownership and use of such weapons. They didn't have a weapons fetish. They had a liberty fetish, and I don't think they would find that the residents of NYC (for example) are less free because of its handgun laws.

550 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:41:54am

re: #548 reine.de.tout

Being a slack-jawed, inbred southerner myself, I guess I'm just not smart enough.
/

Well, ah, ok... I forgives ya... (bangs head against first cousin).
/

551 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:47:04am

I am so distraught right now.

I mailed the glass green football to the LGF PO Box, with tracking information.

For some reason, the tracking info. indicates the package was being returned to sender. I haven't gotten it back yet.

And so it appears to be lost in the mail somewhere. It's not like I can go out and just buy a replacement. There are times I really really really hate the post office.

552 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:47:50am

re: #551 reine.de.tout

My bank has messed up sending me my checks twice. I think it's their fault, though, and not the delivery service.

553 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:48:12am

re: #546 lawhawk

America has improved incrementally over the decades, and providing a safety net for those who are in their retirement years, are disabled, or who lack the means to provide for themselves is just common sense.

The problem is that the safety net is based on certain assumptions about revenues, funding, etc. and needs to be tweaked to maintain and preserve the safety net for future generations.

Agreed. Unfortunately today's wingnuts have been fed conspiracy theories about these entitlement programs and believe them to be part of a secret plot. They don't want to fix them they want to destroy them. I wish they were serious and honest about making these programs work.

554 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:49:11am

re: #551 reine.de.tout

I am so distraught right now.

I mailed the glass green football to the LGF PO Box, with tracking information.

For some reason, the tracking info. indicates the package was being returned to sender. I haven't gotten it back yet.

And so it appears to be lost in the mail somewhere. It's not like I can go out and just buy a replacement. There are times I really really really hate the post office.

Bummer.

555 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:52:46am

re: #551 reine.de.tout

I am so distraught right now.

I mailed the glass green football to the LGF PO Box, with tracking information.

For some reason, the tracking info. indicates the package was being returned to sender. I haven't gotten it back yet.

And so it appears to be lost in the mail somewhere. It's not like I can go out and just buy a replacement. There are times I really really really hate the post office.

Oh. Sucks.

556 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:53:24am

re: #551 reine.de.tout

Oh no! But have some faith. Cross your fingers. We had a wayward tube package delayed between us too, and you finally got it. BTW, early light is shining through the beautiful stained glass piece you sent us. Interesting how the beveled glass affects the tree leaves outside the window. :-)

557 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:54:06am

re: #495 Killgore Trout

Uhhh,,,Is this real?
GWU Suicide Tragically Coincides with Obama Speech‬

OMG! Vince Foster!

558 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:55:16am

Just throwing this out to the LGF community. I have 5 roofs in Clovis New Mexico that need tear off/replacement... looks like a hail storm on 6-12-2010 did enough damage that the insurance company want them replaced. (I love how bureaucracy moves at the pace of a snail, we just found out recently).

Anyway, taking bids... anyone in the North Western New Mexico area that does roofing work, I'm creating or saving some jobs... takers?

559 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 7:58:38am

re: #511 ProLifeLiberal

Wuxia film? What's that?

I'm playing Jade Empire at the moment.

Lots of fun. Like being inside a wuxia movie.

560 garhighway  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:06:55am

If this has already been posted, I apologize for the duplication, but it is the best thing I have seen so far on the Planned parenthood debate and how that organization's detractors studiously (and strategically) ignore the family planning work the group does.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Sample:

This is important because it speaks to a disconnect in the entire debate we’ve been having about women and reproduction. For eons now, people have been wondering why the two sides can’t just join hands and agree to work together to reduce the number of abortions by expanding the availability of family-planning services and contraception.

The answer is that a large part of the anti-abortion community is also anti-contraception.

“The fact is that 95 percent of the contraceptives on the market kill the baby in the womb,” said Jim Sedlak of the American Life League.

“Fertility and babies are not diseases,” said Jeanne Monahan of the Family Research Council’s Center for Human Dignity, which has been fighting against requiring insurance plans to cover contraceptives under the new health care law.

Many anti-abortion activists believe that human life and, therefore, pregnancy begin when the human egg is fertilized and that standard birth control pills cause abortions by keeping the fertilized egg from implanting in the womb. This isn’t the general theory on either count. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists defines pregnancy as beginning with the fertilized egg’s implantation. Dr. Vanessa Cullins of Planned Parenthood says that the pills inhibit the production of eggs or stop the sperm before they reach their destination. “There is absolutely no direct evidence that there is interference with implantation,” she said.

Beyond the science, there’s the fact that many social conservatives are simply opposed to giving women the ability to have sex without the possibility of procreation.

561 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:08:03am

Morning Honcos.

562 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:08:23am

re: #559 Romantic Heretic

I'm playing Jade Empire at the moment.

Lots of fun. Like being inside a wuxia movie.

Fun game.

563 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:08:35am

re: #556 Rightwingconspirator

Oh no! But have some faith. Cross your fingers. We had a wayward tube package delayed between us too, and you finally got it. BTW, early light is shining through the beautiful stained glass piece you sent us. Interesting how the beveled glass affects the tree leaves outside the window. :-)

Glad to hear you're enjoying it RWC!

564 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:12:32am

re: #560 garhighway

As I posted earler: these people are not just against Planned Parenthood as an organization, they are against the very concept of planned parenthood.

565 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:14:37am

Interesting..... the Jerusalem Post is reporting that Lebanese police stopped two men trying to smuggle weapons into Syria.

Lebanese border police detained two people trying to drive cars filled with weapons into Syria, where mass protests have been challenging Syrian President Bashar Assad's rule, security sources said on Thursday.

"The cars had AK-47s, semi-automatic weapons, and some bombs," one security source said. The men, a Lebanese and a Syrian, were detained late on Wednesday in the border area of the eastern Bekaa Valley.

566 garhighway  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:15:20am

re: #564 ralphieboy

As I posted earler: these people are not just against Planned Parenthood as an organization, they are against the very concept of planned parenthood.

Exactly right. But since they realize that opposition to contraception is deeply unpopular, they have to be deceptive about it. If they were to say, out loud and on the record, their real reasons for attacking Planned Parenthood, they would get run out of town on a rail.

567 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:15:48am

re: #564 ralphieboy

Every sperm is sacred.

568 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:16:55am

Boehner Picks Up Pieces After Report Finds Spending Compromise Means Puny Cuts

A CBO analysis of the spending cut compromise Democrats and Republicans reached last week that may have avoided a government shutdown has turned into a public relations nightmare for House Speaker John Boehner.

As advertised, when the House and Senate pass the spending bill this afternoon, domestic discretionary appropriations will fall $38 billion from levels set at the beginning of the year. But because some of the cuts will be realized over years, and because some of the savings are culled from left-over money in existing accounts, the bill will only reduce direct spending by about $350 million.

569 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:17:01am

This kind of makes the Catholic Church in the Phillipines look a little nuts.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

She would have levitated had she not been restrained," Syquia said of the woman in the video, portions of which were shown to AFP during a rare interview at his office in the basement of a seminary in Manila.
Syquia believes he is in the frontline of the battle between good and evil on earth.

"There is a great dramatic increase of possessions right now," said the 44-year-old priest. "More and more the demons are gaining a foothold into this society."

This kind of nonsense distracts from the good work that many Catholic priests do with disturbed individuals they come into contact with.

Embarrassing that the Pope appears to support it, too.


But Pope Benedict XVI had recently issued fresh guidelines encouraging more exorcisms and for the church to be more open about the issue, he said.
570 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:17:02am

re: #497 iceweasel


My wife fetched a book, The Complete Patter" by Michael Munro, on Glaswegian. Half of the entries have to do with violence, drinking or smells, the rest seem to involve life in a tenement communitiy, collecting unemployment or avoiding police.

Showed it to my Glaswegian sister-in-law who remarked most of the entries were words she might use when speaking to a non-Glaswegian to be better understood, her slang terms were not even in the book...

571 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:17:39am

re: #568 Varek Raith

the bill will only reduce direct spending by about $350 million.

Seriously?

Man. Boehner got played.

572 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:18:47am

re: #571 Obdicut

Seriously?

Man. Boehner got played.

My thoughts exactly.

573 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:18:54am

re: #571 Obdicut

Seriously?

Man. Boehner got played.

My radio said the same thing this morning. Much of the cuts are on paper.

574 iossarian  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:21:38am

re: #573 Cannadian Club Akbar

My radio said the same thing this morning. Much of the cuts are on paper.

So... they're paper cuts?

o_O

575 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:22:11am

re: #574 iossarian

So... they're paper cuts?

o_O

Paper cuts suck.

576 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:22:31am

re: #574 iossarian

So... they're paper cuts?

o_O

I was waiting for that. Not a joke if you are a hemophiliac, though. :)

577 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:22:34am

re: #571 Obdicut

Seriously?

Man. Boehner got played.

Yeah. It will be a test of party discipline to get the comprimise passed in the vote today. If there are enough defectors we might be in for a shutdown after all.

578 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:23:08am

re: #574 iossarian

So... they're paper cuts?

o_O

Excuse me while I take some time to dribble a little lemon juice on Mr. Boehner. *evil grin*

579 Lidane  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:23:54am

re: #571 Obdicut

Seriously?

Man. Boehner got played.

No wonder he's so hell bent on pushing Ryan's plan through:

Boehner on Obama's Speech: It's Paul Ryan's Plan Or Bust

580 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:24:29am

re: #571 Obdicut

It's come to the point that whenever anyone talks about the budget (at any level), you have to consider that they're talking vaporware - cuts that aren't, cuts in spending are actually reduced increases in spending, or that actual cuts are really elimination of holdover accounts and not cuts in actual spending over previous FY spending.

As to whether Boehner got played or not, I think he probably knew that the cuts were not what the topline ($38 billion) figures were, but the key was to maximize the topline while keeping other levels close to where they were.

It also suggests that the TP really doesn't enjoy the kind of power that they think they do within the House. They may be loud and making all kinds of demands, but at the end of the day, they're not getting what they want.

581 darthstar  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:24:44am

re: #571 Obdicut

Seriously?

Man. Boehner got played.

Boehner is an incompetent Speaker of the House, a sucky negotiator, and a petty whiner. Of course he only got window dressing for concessions. President Obama is much smarter than the orange one, and everyone knows it. It probably doesn't help that Boehner drinks about five or six high-balls a night.(not criticizing - I have a couple of drinks a night myself - just observing)

582 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:25:13am

re: #579 Lidane

No wonder he's so hell bent on pushing Ryan's plan through:

Boehner on Obama's Speech: It's Paul Ryan's Plan Or Bust

This could happen if the repubs take the Senate, keep the house and win the WH.

583 darthstar  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:25:25am

re: #576 Cannadian Club Akbar

I was waiting for that. Not a joke if you are a hemophiliac, though. :)

Great...now we'll have people protesting hemophiliac marriage.

584 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:26:38am

re: #581 darthstar

Boehner is an incompetent Speaker of the House, a sucky negotiator, and a petty whiner. Of course he only got window dressing for concessions. President Obama is much smarter than the orange one, and everyone knows it. It probably doesn't help that Boehner drinks about five or six high-balls a night.(not criticizing - I have a couple of drinks a night myself - just observing)

Good this you put in that disclaimer!! (shakes fist)

585 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:27:34am

re: #582 Cannadian Club Akbar

This could happen if the repubs take the Senate, keep the house and win the WH.

Which would be terrible since Ryan's plan is a complete fantasy.

586 darthstar  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:27:49am

re: #579 Lidane

No wonder he's so hell bent on pushing Ryan's plan through:

Boehner on Obama's Speech: It's Paul Ryan's Plan Or Bust

Boehner's shooting blanks now. Threatening to take the ball home isn't going to work this time. Boehner's already met with Wall Street experts to discuss how long he can play chicken with the President without sending the markets into the shitter (not very). Now he's just trying to save a little bit of face.

587 darthstar  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:29:04am

re: #584 Cannadian Club Akbar

Good this you put in that disclaimer!! (shakes fist)

That said, why the Republicans would choose a drunk to be their leader is beyond me...then again, they liked Bush (a dry drunk - mostly, except for those 700 or so days at Crawford).

588 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:30:11am

re: #587 darthstar

That said, why the Republicans would choose a drunk to be their leader is beyond me...then again, they liked Bush (a dry drunk - mostly, except for those 700 or so days at Crawford).

IIRC, Nixon really liked his bourbon.

589 Slap  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:31:12am

re: #540 reine.de.tout

I saw a comment here a few days ago, dissing lacrosse players in general for being "lilly white and rich". I don't know anything about lacrosse, so I don't know how accurate that would be. Can't figure how anyone could stretch a brush so broadly about lacrosse players, but there you have it.

Yeah, those darned lily-white lacrosse players....

590 darthstar  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:31:53am

Boehner's souffle is sunk.
Boehner's fishing without a net.
Boehner's blanket is wet with his own pee.

Help me out people...I'm running out of metaphors for Boehner the negotiator.

591 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:32:31am

re: #580 lawhawk

It also suggests that the TP really doesn't enjoy the kind of power that they think they do within the House. They may be loud and making all kinds of demands, but at the end of the day, they're not getting what they want.

That does seem to be the case....
Freshmen shrugging off Tea Party primary threats over spending deal

House Republicans aren’t worried about primary threats from Tea Party activists, who are unhappy with the level of spending cuts in the 2011 budget deal and the possibility of raising the debt limit.


The big problem with the Tea Party from the begging has been that it's based on economic nonsense. The rallied against tax hikes when 98% of the population revived tax cuts. They rallied against basic common sense of TARP and stimulus. Crazy shit like Gold Standard and Fair Tax are still popular with wingnuts. It's Paulian economics and for elected officials to act on these policies would be disastrous and stupid.

592 darthstar  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:33:05am

re: #588 Cannadian Club Akbar

IIRC, Nixon really liked his bourbon.

Yes, he did...but he was president when it was easy to hide a president stumbling around in a drunken rage from the public.

593 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:33:16am

re: #590 darthstar

Boehner's souffle is sunk.
Boehner's fishing without a net.
Boehner's blanket is wet with his own pee.

Help me out people...I'm running out of metaphors for Boehner the negotiator.

Boehner sounds like Darthstar (just trying to help)

594 darthstar  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:34:09am

re: #593 Walter L. Newton

Boehner sounds like Darthstar (just trying to help)

Thanks, Mitty.

595 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:34:44am

re: #592 darthstar

Yes, he did...but he was president when it was easy to hide a president stumbling around in a drunken rage from the public.

In that case, I would be the best President EVAH!! And you all can come to the WH for some bowling. (also put in by Nixon)
//

596 Lidane  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:35:25am

re: #591 Killgore Trout

The big problem with the Tea Party from the begging has been that it's based on economic nonsense.

Yeah, this. It's completely incoherent populist bullshit.

597 kirkspencer  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:39:03am

re: #560 garhighway

If this has already been posted, I apologize for the duplication, but it is the best thing I have seen so far on the Planned parenthood debate and how that organization's detractors studiously (and strategically) ignore the family planning work the group does.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Sample:

This is important because it speaks to a disconnect in the entire debate we’ve been having about women and reproduction. For eons now, people have been wondering why the two sides can’t just join hands and agree to work together to reduce the number of abortions by expanding the availability of family-planning services and contraception.

The answer is that a large part of the anti-abortion community is also anti-contraception.

“The fact is that 95 percent of the contraceptives on the market kill the baby in the womb,” said Jim Sedlak of the American Life League.

“Fertility and babies are not diseases,” said Jeanne Monahan of the Family Research Council’s Center for Human Dignity, which has been fighting against requiring insurance plans to cover contraceptives under the new health care law.

Many anti-abortion activists believe that human life and, therefore, pregnancy begin when the human egg is fertilized and that standard birth control pills cause abortions by keeping the fertilized egg from implanting in the womb. This isn’t the general theory on either count. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists defines pregnancy as beginning with the fertilized egg’s implantation. Dr. Vanessa Cullins of Planned Parenthood says that the pills inhibit the production of eggs or stop the sperm before they reach their destination. “There is absolutely no direct evidence that there is interference with implantation,” she said.

Beyond the science, there’s the fact that many social conservatives are simply opposed to giving women the ability to have sex without the possibility of procreation.

Yes, as a lot of us have been saying for a long time.

At root, it's the belief that the sole Godly purpose for sex is for procreation, and that enjoyment of the act is Satan's meddling in the affair. ANYTHING that blocks God's purpose while allowing Satan's is wrong and must be denied.

598 darthstar  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:42:29am

Time to bathe and go to work. I'll leave you with some pleasant notes from True Sounds of Liberty (why I thought of these guys just now is beyond me)

Live your life.
Ignore heroes.
Fuck the dead.

Youtube Video
599 Ericus58  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:44:55am

re: #598 darthstar

inspiring...

600 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:47:46am

If anyone follows twitter, I suggest following @andycarvin right now, he's at the US-Islam World forum tweeting a panel with David Brooks and others.

acarvin Andy Carvin

Melham: The most eloquent voice defending Muslims having a community center in NYC was Mayor Bloomberg, a Jewish American. #usislam

acarvin Andy Carvin

Melham: We all engage in demonization and double standards, whether in the US or in the Arab world. #usislam

Very interesting.

601 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:48:42am

re: #598 darthstar

Time to bathe and go to work. I'll leave you with some pleasant notes from True Sounds of Liberty (why I thought of these guys just now is beyond me)

Live your life.
Ignore heroes.
Fuck the dead.

[Video]

Damn, you get a upding simply for knowing of TSOL.

602 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:49:15am

Some Republicans still making noises about committing political and economic suicide....
DeMint: If vote to raise debt ceiling is GOP's Waterloo, 'let it be'

A top conservative senator on Thursday indicated he is willing to go to extreme lengths to prevent a vote on raising the debt ceiling, even if it hurts the Republican Party politically.

Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) said on the conservative Laura Ingraham Show he is considering filibustering an upcoming vote to raise the nation's $14.3 trillion debt limit, if it doesn't contain other fiscal reforms.

I think he's bluffing.

603 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 8:51:19am

re: #602 Killgore Trout

Some Republicans still making noises about committing political and economic suicide...
DeMint: If vote to raise debt ceiling is GOP's Waterloo, 'let it be'

I think he's bluffing.

He'll hold out for fiscal reforms that are nothing but mirages.

604 zora  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 9:06:16am

re: #495 Killgore Trout

my beagle went on the run yesterday, too. i think there is a dog in heat around. now that i think about it, it was when obama was speaking. why does obama hate beagles.

605 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 9:08:30am

You know what?
The GOP can take their budget and shove it.

606 blueraven  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 9:09:08am

re: #602 Killgore Trout

Some Republicans still making noises about committing political and economic suicide...
DeMint: If vote to raise debt ceiling is GOP's Waterloo, 'let it be'

I think he's bluffing.

McConnell has been pushing hard to NOT have a filibuster. He wants the democrats to have to pass it with 51 votes and no republicans. With a filibuster it will take 60 votes for cloture forcing some republicans to vote for it.

Riding the tiger.

607 wee fury  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 9:10:20am

re: #605 Varek Raith
It may be shoved.
Interesting times.

608 Lidane  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 9:10:47am

re: #602 Killgore Trout

Some Republicans still making noises about committing political and economic suicide...
DeMint: If vote to raise debt ceiling is GOP's Waterloo, 'let it be'

I think he's bluffing.

He's full of shit. No way would anyone in either party let this country default. That would destroy us, and they know it.

609 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 9:10:58am

re: #607 wee fury

It may be shoved.
Interesting times.

As it should be. It's complete fantasy.

610 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 9:13:08am

re: #608 Lidane

The consequences of a default would be significantly higher interest rates for everyone, another financial crisis, and likely another recession (or worse). And that's the best case scenario.

The fight over the debt ceiling is one of posturing - claiming that they're doing something to slow the rise in the deficit, without actually doing anything to harm their priority spending programs.

611 blueraven  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 9:17:43am

I find it quite amusing that the republicans are whining that the Ryan plan is being demagogued by the president and democrats.

Death panels? Job killing health care bill?

612 Ericus58  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 9:18:01am

People, this angst being expressed on the debt ceiling is just politics on the national scale... doesn't matter who's in the driver's seat, the opposition party will play the card.

613 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 9:18:47am

re: #612 Ericus58

People, this angst being expressed on the debt ceiling is just politics on the national scale... doesn't matter who's in the driver's seat, the opposition party will play the card.

The Democrats would never pull a stunt like this.

614 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 9:19:02am

re: #611 blueraven

I find it quite amusing that the republicans are whining that the Ryan plan is being demagogued by the president and democrats.

Death panels? Job killing health care bill?

Heh.
Not too mention their own budget. Assumes 2.8% unemployment? Right.

615 Lidane  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 9:20:41am

re: #614 Varek Raith

Heh.
Not too mention their own budget. Assumes 2.8% unemployment? Right.

2.8% unemployment is pure fantasy. Even conservative economists are calling bullshit on that.

616 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 9:21:08am

re: #612 Ericus58

People, this angst being expressed on the debt ceiling is just politics on the national scale... doesn't matter who's in the driver's seat, the opposition party will play the card.

I agree. It's a game that both sides play. It's a little more disconcerting with the Republicans. They've gone pretty crazy over the past few years and there is some concern that they might just be crazy enough to carry out the threat. I don't think they will but it is a legitimate concern.

617 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 9:30:07am

Pelosi Suggests Dems Won't Let Government Shutdown If Republicans Abandon Boehner

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi suggested Thursday that Democratic votes will push the spending compromise over the top -- even if Republicans defect in large numbers over a new report suggesting the bill will cut less than a billion dollars in government spending.

618 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 9:35:36am

Islamic center reports threat, finds charred Qurans

The anonymous letter says that Muslims “stain the earth,” and the author vows “Islam will not survive.” A copy of the letter was provided by the Rev. Mark Struckhoff, executive director for the Council of Churches of the Ozarks.

At the end of the five-line typed letter is a drawing of a ram’s head with the slogan “Death to Islam!” printed below it.

619 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 9:37:28am

So the Tampa Tribune decided to ask its readers to give them a one word reaction to Florida Governor Rick Scott’s first 100 days. The results, as they say, are staggering:

CHECK OUT THE WORD CLOUD

620 Michael McBacon  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 9:51:07am

re: #618 Killgore Trout

Islamic center reports threat, finds charred Qurans

What Islamophobia??
//

621 Gus  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 9:53:50am

re: #605 Varek Raith

You know what?
The GOP can take their budget and shove it.

By Johnny Paycheck.

//

622 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 9:54:16am

re: #619 Stanley Sea

I'd hazard a guess and say that maybe 60-75 people were responsible for that word cloud. If a word like vampire makes the list to achieve the same size as a word like fail or craptastic, scottneedstogo, or not-winning, that should be telling as to how many participated. It's anything but a representative sample size.

623 Gus  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 9:59:30am

More states restrict abortions; group says trend 'unparalleled'

(CNN) -- As two states imposed the latest rounds of laws against abortion or its providers this week, a new study contends "hostility" toward abortion rights is on the rise in legislatures across the country, according to the Guttmacher Institute.

The trend has been buoyed by GOP victories in last year's elections, as well as how federal health care reform encouraged states to adopt their own laws regarding abortion coverage under plans offered by health exchanges, said Elizabeth Nash, public policy associate at the Guttmacher Institute, an advocacy group for abortion rights.

"It's pretty much an all-out, anti-abortion, free-for-all out there," Nash told CNN. "I've been doing this for almost 12 years now, so I feel like I have some historical sense. This year is just unlike any other year we've seen before."

Add the success of states' anti-abortion laws passed in the last couple of years with the Republican sweep of statehouses last fall, "and you end up with a year that is unparalleled in what we have been seeing in regard to abortion restrictions," Nash said...

624 Gus  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:00:39am

re: #605 Varek Raith

You know what?
The GOP can take their budget and shove it.

FTFY

625 albusteve  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:06:48am

fix the budget?
hahaha!
let's work on keeping ATCs awake
first things first

626 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:09:59am

Taxes will be raised. That's the big boulder that will drop after the debt ceiling.
Paul Ryan had to sit in the front seat and take his beating!

627 Gus  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:11:28am

re: #625 albusteve

fix the budget?
hahaha!
let's work on keeping ATCs awake
first things first

True. Because one air traffic controller that allegedly fell asleep must mean that all air traffic controllers are falling asleep.

628 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:12:12am

re: #626 prairiefire

Taxes will be raised. That's the big boulder that will drop after the debt ceiling.
Paul Ryan had to sit in the front seat and take his beating!

If a family is making a combined salary of over 250,000 dollars, their tax rate should be about 80 percent. That would pay off the debt in no time.

629 albusteve  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:12:22am

next up....avert a national crisis and get the NFL back online

630 albusteve  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:13:42am

re: #627 Gus 802

True. Because one air traffic controller that allegedly fell asleep must mean that all air traffic controllers are falling asleep.

re: #627 Gus 802

True. Because one air traffic controller that allegedly fell asleep must mean that all air traffic controllers are falling asleep.

one is one too many, if it's your flight

631 darthstar  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:17:20am

re: #628 Walter L. Newton

If a family is making a combined salary of over 250,000 dollars, their tax rate should be about 80 percent. That would pay off the debt in no time.

Don't be an idiot, Walter. You know damn well that's not what rolling back Bush's tax cuts will do, and to suggest such a ludicrous number as a solution is simply baiting the waters with an empty hook.

632 darthstar  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:17:39am

re: #631 darthstar

Then again...I bit.

633 Gus  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:18:31am

re: #630 albusteve

re: #627 Gus 802

one is one too many, if it's your flight

Just add a second tower controller and you can alleviate the potential. It's just that simple. Maybe even a third. Of course that's going to require more funding for the FAA. If that's OK with the GOP.

634 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:19:25am

re: #622 lawhawk

I'd hazard a guess and say that maybe 60-75 people were responsible for that word cloud. If a word like vampire makes the list to achieve the same size as a word like fail or craptastic, scottneedstogo, or not-winning, that should be telling as to how many participated. It's anything but a representative sample size.

Still funny!

635 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:20:23am

[Link: www.zooborns.com...]

Omnomnom.

636 kirkspencer  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:21:13am

re: #630 albusteve

re: #627 Gus 802

one is one too many, if it's your flight

Want a decent fix? No solo assignments - as used to be the requirement, as negotiated by the union.

But some people decided it was just greedy workers robbing the taxpayer; an inefficient waste.

Eliminating redundancy cuts costs by cutting the safety margin. If you have zero redundancy it will eventually show up in the accident record.

637 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:21:23am

re: #635 Varek Raith

[Link: www.zooborns.com...]

Omnomnom.

Who is eating whom?

638 blueraven  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:21:29am

re: #633 Gus 802

Just add a second tower controller and you can alleviate the potential. It's just that simple. Maybe even a third. Of course that's going to require more funding for the FAA. If that's OK with the GOP.

Well, since they want cuts there, I dont think they give a shit. Anything and everything to keep their precious tax cuts for the wealthy.

639 kirkspencer  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:21:40am

re: #633 Gus 802

Just add a second tower controller and you can alleviate the potential. It's just that simple. Maybe even a third. Of course that's going to require more funding for the FAA. If that's OK with the GOP.

GMTA

640 Gus  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:22:31am

re: #622 lawhawk

I'd hazard a guess and say that maybe 60-75 people were responsible for that word cloud. If a word like vampire makes the list to achieve the same size as a word like fail or craptastic, scottneedstogo, or not-winning, that should be telling as to how many participated. It's anything but a representative sample size.

Poll: Floridians Have Strong Buyers Remorse After Electing GOP Gov. Scott

In the poll, 54% of voters said the state was headed in the wrong direction, compared to 30% who said it was going the right way. Further, just under half (49%) of all voters said they disapproved of Scott's job performance, versus only 28% who said they approved

641 albusteve  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:22:58am

re: #639 kirkspencer

GMTA

THIS!
THAT!

642 darthstar  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:23:35am

Well, this will certainly help his image:

"I have a great relationship with the blacks," Trump told Albany's Talk Radio 1300 Thursday. "I've always had a great relationship with the blacks."
643 blueraven  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:24:39am

re: #642 darthstar

Well, this will certainly help his image:

Gawd...what an idiot.

644 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:24:44am

re: #632 darthstar

Then again...I bit.

Suggestion... what should be the amount. Can we pay off the debt if we raise the riches taxes?

645 brennant  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:24:54am

re: #642 darthstar

"I have a great relationship with the blacks," Trump told Albany's Talk Radio 1300 Thursday. "I've always had a great relationship with the blacks."

0_o

646 Gus  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:25:30am

re: #638 blueraven

Well, since they want cuts there, I dont think they give a shit. Anything and everything to keep their precious tax cuts for the wealthy.

The GOP would either a) propose that all tower controllers that fall asleep face the wrath of The Lord and eternal damnation in Hell; b) privatize tower controllers (which is always the quickest Big-L solution); or c) incarcerate any tower controllers that fall asleep in a penal colony (because Republicans just love prisons).

;)

647 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:25:54am

re: #642 darthstar

Well, this will certainly help his image:

I'm waiting for a statement from Star Jones. The rumor is he is going to announce something on the season ender of Celebrity Apprentice. Which now sounds very fitting.

648 blueraven  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:26:21am

re: #646 Gus 802

The GOP would either a) propose that all tower controllers that fall asleep face the wrath of The Lord and eternal damnation in Hell; b) privatize tower controllers (which is always the quickest Big-L solution); or c) incarcerate any tower controllers that fall asleep in a penal colony (because Republicans just love prisons).

;)

Gitmo

649 albusteve  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:26:54am

somewhere there is paint drying

650 Gus  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:27:48am

re: #648 blueraven

Gitmo

Good idea! Maybe we can add "waterboard the suspected somnambulating tower controllers."

Or maybe a preemptive air strike on the suspected tower location?

//

651 Kragar  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:27:53am

re: #629 albusteve

next up...avert a national crisis and get the NFL back online

Or, we can simply say fuck the NFL

652 entropy  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:28:45am

Knob Creek range has for years said they don't regulate who shows up, vendors, etc. Fair enough.

It might be about time for them to start.

653 blueraven  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:29:38am

re: #650 Gus 802

Good idea! Maybe we can add "waterboard the suspected somnambulating tower controllers."

Or maybe a preemptive air strike on the suspected tower location?

//

Toothpicks to hold their eyes open. That'll teach em!

654 Gus  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:29:53am

Tower controllers falling asleep is clearly the result of NPR, Planned Parenthood, abortions, and the Gay Agenda! -- Republican Party Platform

//

655 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:29:54am

re: #649 albusteve

somewhere there is paint drying

The paint's watching the grass grow.

656 engineer cat  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:30:02am

RYAN PLAN - SERIOUS SUICIDE ATTEMPT OR MERELY A DESPERATE PLEA FOR HELP
specialists are in disagreement as to whether the gop was in serious despair of any future happiness or merely attempting to draw attention do its serious and life-threatening teabag infestation last week when it committed an apparent act of suicide

the republican party attempted to, and may have succeeded in, alienating the most conservative and reliable block of conservative voters in the united states, senior citizens and those approaching that age, by announcing plans to destroy medicare and distribute the dismembered remains to its wealthy donors. the plan envisions handing out coupons that the elderly could use to attempt to purchase medical insurance on the open market

older people are, of course, the worst possible risk for health insurers. not only are they by far the most likely to need expensive care, but are also the least likely to be able to pay back the insurance companies

"it's not unusual that a teenager's desperate plea for attention goes wrong and results in serious lasting damage or death, and this might be what happened in this case" said dr ernest toungue. however, a therapist at the walgreen's medical center - a widely utilized source of health services including pap smears and other cancer testing - disagreed - "nobody in their right mind could imagine for a second that the american people would be stupid enough to fall for this - this was a deliberate attempt on the part of the republican party to destroy itself permanently"

657 darthstar  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:30:04am

re: #651 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Or, we can simply say fuck the NFL

Bring back the USFL! Sacramento Surge! (yes, a team named after the emission of bodily fluids)

658 Gus  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:30:27am

re: #653 blueraven

Toothpicks to hold their eyes open. That'll teach em!

A barbed wire necklace? Or maybe pigeon spikes.

//

659 blueraven  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:32:08am

re: #658 Gus 802

A barbed wire necklace? Or maybe pigeon spikes.

//

We prefer an 'All of the Above' approach. //

660 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:32:18am

re: #656 engineer dog

fun*ny
"Today's severe weather is brought to you by El Nino."
Every Thursday.

661 Gus  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:32:27am

re: #659 blueraven

We prefer an 'All of the Above' approach. //

Rudy Giuliani

//

662 Gus  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:34:09am

Hard at work!

GOP Rep. Broun: FDR Was A Communist (VIDEO)

Youtube Video

[burp]

664 Gus  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:35:40am

Communism. Blahblahblah. Marxism. Blahblahblah. Socialism. Blahblahblah. Stalin. Blahblahblah. Obama. Blahblahblah. -- Republican Party Platform

665 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:36:04am

re: #662 Gus 802

Wilson!
Roosevelt!
OOGABOOGA!!!!

666 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:36:22am

re: #656 engineer dog

RYAN PLAN - SERIOUS SUICIDE ATTEMPT OR MERELY A DESPERATE PLEA FOR HELP
specialists are in disagreement as to whether the gop was in serious despair of any future happiness or merely attempting to draw attention do its serious and life-threatening teabag infestation last week when it committed an apparent act of suicide

the republican party attempted to, and may have succeeded in, alienating the most conservative and reliable block of conservative voters in the united states, senior citizens and those approaching that age, by announcing plans to destroy medicare and distribute the dismembered remains to its wealthy donors. the plan envisions handing out coupons that the elderly could use to attempt to purchase medical insurance on the open market

older people are, of course, the worst possible risk for health insurers. not only are they by far the most likely to need expensive care, but are also the least likely to be able to pay back the insurance companies

"it's not unusual that a teenager's desperate plea for attention goes wrong and results in serious lasting damage or death, and this might be what happened in this case" said dr ernest toungue. however, a therapist at the walgreen's medical center - a widely utilized source of health services including pap smears and other cancer testing - disagreed - "nobody in their right mind could imagine for a second that the american people would be stupid enough to fall for this - this was a deliberate attempt on the part of the republican party to destroy itself permanently"

Gee... the left must be worried, if they are able to churn out this afternoon-reality-talk-show-pop-psychology-pseudo-intellectual-bullshit in under a week. The propaganda machine is on full speed ahead... LOL.

This kind of prattle is like reading UFO conspiracies or Dr. Laura.

667 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:37:58am

re: #631 darthstar

The expiration of the Bush/Obama tax cuts in 2012 are the only thing that can be truly calculated from Obama's speech last night as a way to reduce the deficit over the long term, and that still depends on Congress and whoever is in the White House in 2012 and beyond to not rejigger the tax code further (and it is inevitable that they will).

The expiring tax rates in 2012 will mean raising the top 2 tax rates from 33 and 35% to 36 and 39.6% respectively. You can run the numbers and decide accordingly whether that fight is worth it. Similarly, you can run numbers and decide whether to kill the AMT, annually index it to inflation, or wrap it into the standard tax code in simplification (I urge the latter).

Obama talks of tax simplification, and that's something that has broad bipartisan support - but no one agrees on what it means - whether to keep revenue neutral as the GOP wants, or as a way to increase tax revenues, which is what Obama was hinting at yesterday.

We could likely get simplification and equal or more revenue with a few easy steps - we can keep the same rates as at present (including making the Obama extension permanent), if eliminating pretty much all credits, exemptions, and deductions. You could leave a charitable exemption, student loan and mortgage deductions and the EITC in place. Provide a phase out for those and any other credits/exemptions/deductions based on income - once you hit into the top 3 tax brackets, they phased out by income and years.

Cap gains could be handled as it is now - higher rates for short term, lower rates for long term (and revenue generated based on existing rates for each could be tweaked by making long term rates kick in 18 months or 2 years after purchase, rather than 12 months).

Estate tax isn't a huge generator of revenue, but it does generate revenue - and it will likely come back in some fashion - likely on estates over $5 million (and that means that states that use a pick-up tax will again impose their state level tax).

Simplification would also mean cleaning up the tax code as it relates to corporations - setting a flat rate on all corporations, or a 2 tier rate based on IBIT makes sense, again with limited credits and deductions, and cleaning up the mess for NOLs and other legal methods to shift income around.

That's just off the top of my head.

Simplification would reduce time and money spent on preparing returns, which means more money for actual income generating activities (except if you're in the tax prep business).

668 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:38:46am

re: #666 Walter L. Newton

Gee... the left must be worried, if they are able to churn out this afternoon-reality-talk-show-pop-psychology-pseudo- intellectual-bullshit in under a week. The propaganda machine is on full speed ahead... LOL.

This kind of prattle is like reading UFO conspiracies or Dr. Laura.

Paul Ryan gave you a unicorn, didn't he???
Because that's his budget. Unicorns and magic.

669 Gus  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:40:17am

The last UFO I saw was the Republican budget and its new alien leader, Donald Trump.

670 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:40:50am

re: #668 Varek Raith

Paul Ryan gave you a unicorn, didn't he???
Because that's his budget. Unicorns and magic.

I'm not impressed with Ryans budget, and I've said that here (you must have missed that didn't you Willy)... but the left has got their panties in a wad trying to dismiss his budget outright... it's a dishonest elitist propaganda move and it's not really fooling anyone... except you.

671 blueraven  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:41:40am

re: #666 Walter L. Newton

Gee... the left must be worried, if they are able to churn out this afternoon-reality-talk-show-pop-psychology-pseudo- intellectual-bullshit in under a week. The propaganda machine is on full speed ahead... LOL.

This kind of prattle is like reading UFO conspiracies or Dr. Laura.

You dont recognize a little sarcasm here? Ironic.

672 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:42:11am

re: #669 Gus 802

The last UFO I saw was the Republican budget and its new alien leader, Donald Trump.

Kucinich's mothership cut me off on Hyperspace Route 42 this morning.
He's such a prick.

673 Gus  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:42:47am

re: #670 Walter L. Newton

I'm not impressed with Ryans budget, and I've said that here (you must have missed that didn't you Willy)... but the left has got their panties in a wad trying to dismiss his budget outright... it's a dishonest elitist propaganda move and it's not really fooling anyone... except you.

Elitist! Yep. David Koch, Charles Koch, Newt Gingrich, and Donald Trump are just regular down to Earth folks.

674 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:45:13am

re: #670 Walter L. Newton

I'm not impressed with Ryans budget, and I've said that here (you must have missed that didn't you Willy)... but the left has got their panties in a wad trying to dismiss his budget outright... it's a dishonest elitist propaganda move and it's not really fooling anyone... except you.

I take it seriously because so many in the GOP base and in the House and Senate do.
Not too mention the blatant magical thinking it assumes to be reality.
By the way, don't call me Willy.
Call me Shirley.

675 Lidane  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:47:04am

re: #672 Varek Raith

Kucinich's mothership cut me off on Hyperspace Route 42 this morning.
He's such a prick.

He's got an attractive wife, though. That counts for something. ;)

676 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 10:51:12am

re: #672 Varek Raith

Kucinich's mothership cut me off on Hyperspace Route 42 this morning.
He's such a prick.

Was it something I said, Walter?

677 RIRedinPA  Thu, Apr 14, 2011 12:34:10pm

re: #38 ggtHow about we just have less gun nuts.


This article has been archived.
Comments are closed.

Jump to top

Create a PageThis is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.
Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.
Last updated: 2023-04-04 11:11 am PDT LGF User's Guide RSS Feeds

Help support Little Green Footballs!

Subscribe now for ad-free access!Register and sign in to a free LGF account before subscribing, and your ad-free access will be automatically enabled.

Donate with
PayPal Cash.app
Recent PagesClick to refresh
Once Praised, the Settlement to Help Sickened BP Oil Spill Workers Leaves Most With Nearly Nothing When a deadly explosion destroyed BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico, 134 million gallons of crude erupted into the sea over the next three months — and tens of thousands of ordinary people were hired ...
Cheechako
1 hour ago
Views: 38 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ...
Cheechako
3 days ago
Views: 156 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 1