Shocka! AZ Gov. Brewer Vetoes Crazy Birther Law

‘This is a bridge too far’
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Here’s a political twist I didn’t expect, as right wing Governor Jan Brewer vetoes the insane ‘birther’ bill passed by Arizona’s nativist Republicans.

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer on Monday vetoed a bill to require President Barack Obama and other presidential candidates to prove their U.S. citizenship before their names can appear on the state’s ballot. …

“I do not support designating one person as the gatekeeper to the ballot for a candidate, which could lead to arbitrary or politically motivated decisions,” said Brewer, who was secretary of state until she became governor in 2009.

“In addition, I never imagined being presented with a bill that could require candidates for president of the greatest and most powerful nation on Earth to submit their early baptismal circumcision certificates’ among other records to the Arizona secretary of state,” she said. “This is a bridge too far.”

UPDATE at 4/18/11 7:52:22 pm

Brewer also vetoed the bill that would have allowed concealed weapons on campuses.

An outbreak of sanity, where you least expected it.

UPDATE at 4/18/11 8:00:32 pm

Louisiana’s creationist/exorcist Governor Bobby Jindal, meanwhile, says that if the Louisiana version of the Birther bill reaches his desk, he’ll happily sign it.

BATON ROUGE — Gov. Bobby Jindal would sign a bill requiring presidential candidates to provide a copy of their birth certificate to qualify for the Louisiana ballot if it reaches his desk, a spokesman said Monday.

“It’s not part of our package, but if the Legislature passes it we’ll sign it,” press secretary Kyle Plotkin said.

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418 comments
1 tnguitarist  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 7:50:50pm

I can hear the right-wing howling from here.

2 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 7:52:20pm

re: #1 tnguitarist

I can hear the right-wing howling from here.

I can see them from my house.

3 Kronocide  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 7:52:31pm

Wow, didn't expect that.

But why does Obama keep hiding his foreskin?

4 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 7:52:37pm

But, Governor Jindal will sign a birther bill.
Go figure!
Then crazy is wide spread!

5 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 7:53:05pm

I thank Governor Brewer for doing the right thing. The bill was a toxic monstrosity, and it richly merited a veto.

6 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 7:53:52pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

Youtube Video
7 theheat  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 7:54:20pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

I thank Governor Brewer for doing the right thing. The bill was a toxic monstrosity, and it richly merited a veto.

The only thing better (and more appropriate) is if she put the bill in a jar, and filled it with urine. That's as much respect as it deserved.

8 jamesfirecat  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 7:54:33pm

Wow, didn't imagine myself saying this any time soon, but way to go Arizona, you've made me less ashamed that my mom grew up there!

9 jaunte  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 7:55:34pm

Sanity upding. May they steadily increase.

10 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 7:55:40pm

Full moon tonight, IIRC.
Beware!

11 Kronocide  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 7:55:50pm

re: #8 jamesfirecat

"Thanks for not sucking!"

12 What, me worry?  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 7:56:09pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

I thank Governor Brewer for doing the right thing. The bill was a toxic monstrosity, and it richly merited a veto.

She typically isn't immune to toxic monstrosities, but this news does make me happy.

13 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 7:56:51pm

re: #7 theheat

The only thing better (and more appropriate) is if she put the bill in a jar, and filled it with urine. That's as much respect as it deserved.

Quite Concur.

14 BryanS  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 7:57:38pm

re: #4 Floral Giraffe

But, Governor Jindal will sign a birther bill.
Go figure!
Then crazy is wide spread!

In other news, Jindal to announce soon his candidacy for the Republican presidential nomination, Gov Brewer declines to run.

Seems to go that way. Anyone remember some of the crazy running off on McCain?

15 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 7:58:47pm

re: #7 theheat

The only thing better (and more appropriate) is if she put the bill in a jar, and filled it with urine. That's as much respect as it deserved.

You mean the bill deserves no more respect than Christ received in that piece of art. I agree.

16 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 7:59:10pm

To make use of what Stewart said a while ago, it looks like the Meth Lab of Democracy is getting cleaned up.

17 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 7:59:15pm

re: #14 BryanS

In other news, Jindal to announce soon his candidacy for the Republican presidential nomination, Gov Brewer declines to run.

Seems to go that way. Anyone remember some of the crazy running off on McCain?

McCain isn't a crazy. He was just pivoting to the right to fend off a primary challenge. Since he saw off Hayworth, he's been largely back to normal.

18 engineer cat  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 7:59:58pm

the republican pendulum has been swung to the bagger side as far as it will go, i guess

19 AntonSirius  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:00:29pm

re: #11 BigPapa

"Thanks for not sucking!"

"...quite as much as usual!"

20 BryanS  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:02:19pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

McCain isn't a crazy. He was just pivoting to the right to fend off a primary challenge. Since he saw off Hayworth, he's been largely back to normal.

I would say he is crazy when it comes to wanting the US military to bomb every country that is a problem--but that's not quite what I mean. I didn't mean that McCain was crazy right, but rather anyone running for higher office for the Republican presidential nomination has to genuflect to the crazies. Witness Trump.

21 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:02:57pm

I think the old gal may have actually been truly affected by the Gifford's shooting. I think Brewer got spooked and decided things need to be toned down a notch. Good for her.

Hey GOP, more of this please.

22 jbryan  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:04:25pm

Bets on whether they override her veto? They've got the votes for it.

23 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:05:56pm

re: #22 jbryan

My previous comment may have been to soon. Sorry for jinxing it.

24 Iwouldprefernotto  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:06:42pm

I know I've said this before on other threads, but it works: "You can't explain that."

OK. I'm done.

25 theheat  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:07:24pm

re: #15 Walter L. Newton

You mean the bill deserves no more respect than Christ received in that piece of art. I agree.

I don't believe Christ was disrespected by art. To believe that, I'd have to believe simply because others do, and I don't. And if I did believe, I'd like to think my chosen diety had more wherewithal than could be dissolved in a jar of pee. And I could also comprehend not everyone felt the same about my diety as I. The fact Piss Christ exists is proof of that.

26 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:07:44pm

Bobby Jindal is a dick, also too.

27 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:08:04pm

re: #25 theheat

I don't believe Christ was disrespected by art. To believe that, I'd have to believe simply because others do, and I don't. And if I did believe, I'd like to think my chosen diety had more wherewithal than could be dissolved in a jar of pee. And I could also comprehend not everyone felt the same about my diety as I. The fact Piss Christ exists is proof of that.

LOL. Great dance.

28 APox  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:08:20pm

re: #15 Walter L. Newton

You mean the bill deserves no more respect than Christ received in that piece of art. I agree.

Yeah, fuck that guy. Maybe I'll make a piece of 'art' where I cut Jesus up into different pieces to represent the awful way churches are segregated. Yeah. Sounds edgy and non-offensive.

29 theheat  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:08:45pm

re: #27 Walter L. Newton

LOL. Great dance.

You're being especially countefeit passive/aggressive today Walter. Heavy flow?

30 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:10:47pm

re: #29 theheat

Have a downding for the ugly insult.

31 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:11:25pm

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

Have a downding for the ugly insult.

Don't waste your time... you agreed up thread.

32 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:13:37pm

re: #31 Walter L. Newton

Don't waste your time... you agreed up thread.

Yeah, I agreed that the 'birther bill' deserves no respect. That doesn't mean that I think you don't deserve respect.

33 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:17:13pm

Jon Stewart has gone full-out Beck tonight.

34 jamesfirecat  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:20:38pm

re: #33 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Jon Stewart has gone full-out Beck tonight.

Its a repeat actually, so Jon Stewart has gone full on vacation tonight....

35 Lidane  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:23:43pm

Sorry to go OT so early in this thread, but I don't think I can Page this, since it's about a survey I'm doing for my Marketing Research class. We're trying to gauge the way people read and use online reviews, and my research partner and I have added a second section related to video games.

If any Lizards are willing to give me 10-15 minutes of your time to answer a few completely anonymous questions, it would be greatly appreciated:

[Link: stedwards.qualtrics.com...]

36 Lidane  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:24:15pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

I can see them from my house.

You live in Alaska?

///

37 the yankee  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:24:32pm

re: #34 jamesfirecat

Its a repeat actually, so Jon Stewart has gone full on vacation tonight...

I don't think Jon Stewart makes 5 episodes a week?

38 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:33:39pm

re: #31 Walter L. Newton

Walter, can you go back to your Passover table & really think about the meaning of Passover. Or, are you not capable of that? I can;t distinguish between your wanton trollishness, and your genuine trollishness.

39 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:35:42pm

re: #38 Floral Giraffe

Walter, can you go back to your Passover table & really think about the meaning of Passover. Or, are you not capable of that? I can;t distinguish between your wanton trollishness, and your genuine trollishness.

Boring.

40 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:36:36pm

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

LOL!
And you have nothing more?

41 samgak  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:36:37pm

Can individual states really decide to accept or reject Presidential candidates? That sounds rather wacky. What happens if a candidate that they don't approve of wins in the other 50 states? Do they just secede?

42 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:37:11pm

re: #40 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
And you have nothing more?

Email me.

43 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:39:21pm

re: #42 Walter L. Newton

Email me.

No, Thanks for the offer, though.

44 the yankee  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:39:29pm

re: #41 samgak

Can individual states really decide to accept or reject Presidential candidates? That sounds rather wacky. What happens if a candidate that they don't approve of wins in the other 50 states? Do they just secede?

I am sure that the answer is yes to that, question is can people write him in.
But get this a candidate can win the popular vote in a state and the electoral voters don't have to vote for him.

45 McSpiff  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:39:45pm

re: #42 Walter L. Newton

Email me.

Image: free_candy_van.jpg

46 What, me worry?  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:40:41pm

re: #41 samgak

Can individual states really decide to accept or reject Presidential candidates? That sounds rather wacky. What happens if a candidate that they don't approve of wins in the other 50 states? Do they just secede?

It's called an electoral college.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]


The election for President and Vice President is not a direct election by United States citizens. Citizens vote for electors, representing a state, who are the authorized constitutional participants in a presidential election. In early U.S. history, some state laws delegated the choice of electors to the state legislature. Electors are free to vote for anyone eligible to be President, but in practice pledge to vote for specific candidates and voters cast ballots for favored presidential and vice presidential candidates by voting for correspondingly pledged electors.[2][3]

Presidential electors are selected on a state-by-state basis, as determined by the laws of each state. Generally (with Maine and Nebraska being the exceptions), each state appoints its electors on a winner-take-all basis, based on the statewide popular vote on Election Day. Although ballots list the names of the presidential candidates, voters within the 50 states and Washington, D.C. actually choose electors for their state when they vote for President and Vice President. These presidential electors in turn cast electoral votes for those two offices. Even though the aggregate national popular vote is calculated by state officials and media organizations, the national popular vote is not the basis for electing a President or Vice President.

A candidate must receive an absolute majority of electoral votes (currently 270) to win the Presidency. If no candidate receives a majority in the election for President, or Vice President, that election is determined via a contingency procedure in the Twelfth Amendment, which is explained in detail below.

47 Gus  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:41:29pm

There's more!

Arizona Guns On Campus Bill Vetoed By Jan Brewer

48 Gus  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:41:58pm

Oops. That was in the update.

49 The Yankee  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:43:23pm

Was she for these Bills at any time or did she always say she was against them.

50 What, me worry?  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:43:39pm

Democracy ain't easy!

51 jaunte  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:44:53pm

re: #47 Gus 802

She says she vetoed because the bill wasn't written clearly, not because she thought it was a bad idea. I guess there's room for a replay.

52 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:45:19pm

re: #47 Gus 802

There's more!

Arizona Guns On Campus Bill Vetoed By Jan Brewer

A better written bill to that effect would still be welcomed by me. But her reasons for vetoing that bill were valid ( mostly that it was vague and badly written).

53 Gus  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:45:36pm

Guess that squabble thing killed the thread.re: #51 jaunte

She says she vetoed because the bill wasn't written clearly, not because she thought it was a bad idea. I guess there's room for a replay.

Roger.

54 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:46:06pm

re: #49 The Yankee

Was she for these Bills at any time or did she always say she was against them.

She never took a position on either before she vetoed them. So no flip-flop here.

55 Gus  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:46:22pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

A better written bill to that effect would still be welcomed by me. But her reasons for vetoing that bill were valid ( mostly that it was vague and badly written).

I oppose guns on campus 100 percent unless the applicant has a valid reason as stipulated by a court order (such as stalking, etc.).

56 The Yankee  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:47:48pm

re: #55 Gus 802

I oppose guns on campus 100 percent unless the applicant has a valid reason as stipulated by a court order (such as stalking, etc.).

Come on everything is better with guns\

57 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:48:04pm

re: #55 Gus 802

I think differently.

58 jbryan  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:48:49pm

re: #41 samgak

Can individual states really decide to accept or reject Presidential candidates? That sounds rather wacky. What happens if a candidate that they don't approve of wins in the other 50 states? Do they just secede?

The problem is that a state really can't declare that it refuses to recognize a valid legal document issued by another state. Hawaii has issued a birth certificate. Arizona can't declare that legally issued Hawaii birth certificates don't qualify as legal documents for the purposes of establishing citizenship.

59 Gus  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:49:39pm

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

I think differently.

OK I might be willing to compromise. Guns on campus are OK but only women would be allowed to CC. Men would still be prohibited from bringing guns to campus.

//

60 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:49:50pm

re: #38 Floral Giraffe

Have a nice Passover, with your friends & family.
Best wishes to EVERYONE for a blessed & happy New Year.

61 theheat  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:50:27pm

re: #55 Gus 802

I oppose guns on campus 100 percent unless the applicant has a valid reason as stipulated by a court order (such as stalking, etc.).

This is kind of like bringing guns to bars. A lot of potential to turn out badly, with some history to back that up.

And I don't know that someone being stalked (stressed much?) might be rational enough for me to feel good about sitting next to them.

I was stalked before. I know during that time I had a hair trigger reaction to a lot of things unrelated to the stalking, just because of stress. I wouldn't want to sit next to myself at a school or college if I was packing heat.

62 Gus  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:50:43pm

re: #60 Floral Giraffe

Have a nice Passover, with your friends & family.
Best wishes to EVERYONE for a blessed & happy New Year.

See ya' FG! ;)

63 Mocking Jay  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:50:51pm

re: #59 Gus 802

OK I might be willing to compromise. Guns on campus are OK but only women would be allowed to CC. Men would still be prohibited from bringing guns to campus.

//

I giggled.

64 okonkolo  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:51:19pm

Leave it to a Governor named Piyush Amrit Jindal to get behind a birther bill.

65 jbryan  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:51:27pm

re: #58 jbryan

The problem is that a state really can't declare that it refuses to recognize a valid legal document issued by another state. Hawaii has issued a birth certificate. Arizona can't declare that legally issued Hawaii birth certificates don't qualify as legal documents for the purposes of establishing citizenship.

Just to elaborate on that... while the Roberts Court may disagree, if Arizona passes a law that says "You can't be on our ballot unless you prove US citizenship, but we're going to calibrate our acceptance of citizenship in such a way so as to reject the legal certification of citizenship issued by another state," that seems a pretty effing clear violation of:

"Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof."

66 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:51:38pm

re: #62 Gus 802

May your New Year be particularly blessed.
DUDE!

67 jaunte  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:51:59pm

re: #59 Gus 802

How about during Texas/OU Weekend?

68 The Yankee  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:52:39pm

re: #58 jbryan

The problem is that a state really can't declare that it refuses to recognize a valid legal document issued by another state. Hawaii has issued a birth certificate. Arizona can't declare that legally issued Hawaii birth certificates don't qualify as legal documents for the purposes of establishing citizenship.

That is part of the reason why we are the USA and not the Confederacy of States. Also part of the reason why the White House stopped defending part of DOMA because the Fed has to recognize what a state considers marriage.

Not sure why some states don't recognize all marriages in other states though. Kind of in the same realm of the law.

69 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:52:53pm

re: #64 okonkolo

Oh Dear, I thought you were Mandy for a minute.
Need to take a break!

70 Gus  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:55:15pm

re: #61 theheat

This is kind of like bringing guns to bars. A lot of potential to turn out badly, with some history to back that up.

And I don't know that someone being stalked (stressed much?) might be rational enough for me to feel good about sitting next to them.

I was stalked before. I know during that time I had a hair trigger reaction to a lot of things unrelated to the stalking, just because of stress. I wouldn't want to sit next to myself at a school or college if I was packing heat.

What about a former state or prosecution witness?

71 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:55:56pm

re: #64 okonkolo

What the Hell does his name have to do with it?!

72 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:56:57pm

re: #70 Gus 802

What about a former state or prosecution witness?

Well, someone like that clearly should be allowed to carry a gun into most places, if it was a case that could risk reprisals.

73 Querent  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:57:52pm

Aha... they found a way to vent the Stoopid before it blew the AZ State Capitol apart!

74 theheat  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:01:18pm

re: #70 Gus 802

What about a former state or prosecution witness?

I don't know that being a witness automatically grants someone better reasoning skills not to overreact. Witnesses by and large are just regular people. In this case, they're bringing their anxiety and drama to the party wherever they go, with civilian reasoning skills.

Have there been student witnesses targeted on campus before?

75 Gus  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:01:44pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

Well, someone like that clearly should be allowed to carry a gun into most places, if it was a case that could risk reprisals.

Exactly. That's what I alluded to earlier. There are in fact reasons for people to be armed sometimes.

In all honesty though I wouldn't be surprised that even if they did pass the bill I doubt many students would bite. Strapping on a gun everyday is a serious proposition and not one that I can see 20 something college students doing so easily.

76 Gus  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:02:30pm

re: #74 theheat

I don't know that being a witness automatically grants someone better reasoning skills not to overreact. Witnesses by and large are just regular people. In this case, they're bringing their anxiety and drama to the party wherever they go, with civilian reasoning skills.

Have there been student witnesses targeted on campus before?

I don't know. Maybe on "The Sopranos"? //

77 Gus  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:04:26pm

But seriously I was kind of worried when the new CC laws came to Colorado. A lot of us thought "oh brother here comes the wild west!" Never happened.

78 theheat  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:04:33pm

re: #76 Gus 802

FWIW - I was a college student while being stalked. But the only time I was armed was in my home, and that was where I was eventually confronted the stalker. And yes, I was armed.

79 Gus  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:11:45pm

Image: gall.gun.show.jpg

80 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:11:58pm

re: #77 Gus 802

But seriously I was kind of worried when the new CC laws came to Colorado. A lot of us thought "oh brother here comes the wild west!" Never happened.

I've always found it interesting that neither sides claims ever come true with the new CC laws. Crime doesn't magically end and we don't magically have blood baths in the streets. Funny that, isn't it?

81 Gus  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:16:39pm

re: #80 wlewisiii

I've always found it interesting that neither sides claims ever come true with the new CC laws. Crime doesn't magically end and we don't magically have blood baths in the streets. Funny that, isn't it?

Yep. In the case of a college campus a gun ban won't stop a crazed gunman from bringing a gun(s) on campus. And to be quite honest there probably wouldn't be an armed student that would be able to save the day. Once again we are largely guided by chance and other forces such as mental health access, family, society at large, substance abuse treatment, etc.

82 jaunte  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:16:54pm

Texas Legisature news, April 15:

Senate Bill 354, the guns on campus bill, appears to have been stopped in the Senate with Senator Wentworth a vote short of the 21 needed to bring it up for floor debate.

From the Texas Observer:

Mental heath and suicide prevention advocates urged lawmakers to consider the mental instability of some college students, emphasizing that suicide is the second biggest killer of college students.

“We know that access to lethal weapons increases risk of suicide, and college students also are not likely to spend the time needed practicing their shooting,” said Merily Keller with the Texas Suicide Prevention Council, urging committee members to allow universities to make their rules and regulations about concealed weapons or limit the scope to just allowing professors and staff to carry on campus. “I can support Second Amendment rights and be against these bills.”
[Link: www.texasobserver.org...]

83 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:23:49pm

this is a tiny little one page comic of genius: [Link: s3.amazonaws.com...]

back to work

84 Gus  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:24:28pm

re: #82 jaunte

Texas Legisature news, April 15:

From the Texas Observer:

This is a good idea:

Merily Keller with the Texas Suicide Prevention Council, urging committee members to allow universities to make their rules and regulations about concealed weapons or limit the scope to just allowing professors and staff to carry on campus.

Then you provide, choice for students and parents.

85 Gus  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:25:56pm

I had a feeling that okonkolo wouldn't respond.

86 Mocking Jay  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:27:35pm

re: #83 WindUpBird

Love it.

87 okonkolo  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:31:16pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

absolutely nothing.

88 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:32:19pm

re: #87 okonkolo

absolutely nothing.

Then why even mention it? It comes across as bigoted.

89 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:32:57pm

re: #85 Gus 802

I had a feeling that okonkolo wouldn't respond.

Well, you've been wrong before, Gus.

90 okonkolo  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:33:39pm

re: #85 Gus 802

been away. no agenda, I just bring up his name in the manner that "Barack Hussein Obama" is cited by Obama's enemies as if there is some "proof" to any of the wild conspiracies about him because, you know, it sounds foreign.

91 Gus  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:33:59pm

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

Well, you've been wrong before, Gus.

Yeah, after I said what I said no?

92 okonkolo  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:34:31pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

see #90

93 Gus  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:35:14pm

re: #90 okonkolo

been away. no agenda, I just bring up his name in the manner that "Barack Hussein Obama" is cited by Obama's enemies as if there is some "proof" to any of the wild conspiracies about him because, you know, it sounds foreign.

I knew what you meant. I figured what you meant to say was "I think it's ironic that a first generation American, Bobby Jindal, would vow to sign a birther bill."

94 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:36:22pm

re: #93 Gus 802

I knew what you meant. I figured what you meant to say was "I think it's ironic that a first generation American, Bobby Jindal, would vow to sign a birther bill."

OK. Sorry, I drew an incorrect conclusion.

95 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:36:30pm

re: #90 okonkolo

been away. no agenda, I just bring up his name in the manner that "Barack Hussein Obama" is cited by Obama's enemies as if there is some "proof" to any of the wild conspiracies about him because, you know, it sounds foreign.

SO . . .if someone else behaves poorly and in a bigoted way, then it's OK for you to do so, as well?

Not gonna fly.

96 Gus  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:37:13pm

re: #94 Dark_Falcon

OK. Sorry, I drew an incorrect conclusion.

That was a guess. I think I was close.

97 okonkolo  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:39:19pm

re: #93 Gus 802

pretty much. Somehow Obama's full name is okay to mention by his detractors but I've had some Jindal supporters really fly off the handle when I give them a taste of their own medicine.

98 Gus  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:40:49pm

re: #97 okonkolo

pretty much. Somehow Obama's full name is okay to mention by his detractors but I've had some Jindal supporters really fly off the handle when I give them a taste of their own medicine.

Cool beans.

99 okonkolo  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:40:55pm

re: #95 reine.de.tout

not intended to be bigoted and behaving poorly.

100 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:41:26pm

re: #99 okonkolo

not intended to be bigoted and behaving poorly.

Understood.

101 okonkolo  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:45:19pm

a bit O/T, but in teh vein of "taste of their own medicine" I think the same type of turnaround might be coming the GOP's way with "Death Panels" vis-a-vis Ryan's Medicare plan. I think they are going to regret the "government death panel that decides if you love or die" stuff and its related rhetoric (pulling the plug on Grandma, getting the government between you and your doctor, rationing, etc.

102 Decider  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:45:25pm

Brewer must be a RINO. No true Republican can think the President of the US is a US Citizen. Doesn't she know he is Black? This is outrageous.

103 Mocking Jay  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:47:33pm

re: #102 Decider

I just can't wait to hear what Donald Trump has to say about this...

104 Gus  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:50:42pm

A 11

Youtube Video
105 reine.de.tout  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:55:37pm

I'm thinking this "taste of their own medicine" bit isn't something I like very much. Somebody has to take the high road, and it hasn't been the R's of late. If everybody keeps thinking it's a great thing to do . . . well, the country will never get to a place where folks can be civil and rational in their disagreements.

Just my .02.

See you guys tomorrow.

106 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 9:56:25pm

re: #103 JasonA

I just can't wait to hear what Donald Trump has to say about this...

He'll scream and spew, but Brewer will ignore him. And the only effect he'll have is to continue his climb to the top of the Laughingstock Tree.

107 boxhead  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:00:16pm

re: #103 JasonA

I just can't wait to hear what Donald Trump has to say about this...

He just might let the marmot on his head do the talking.....

108 samgak  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:04:49pm

re: #3 BigPapa

Wow, didn't expect that.

But why does Obama keep hiding his foreskin?

Birthers probably think it's a "tip off" that proves he's a secrit Muslim.

109 Lidane  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:07:19pm

re: #102 Decider

Brewer must be a RINO. No true Republican can think the President of the US is a US Citizen. Doesn't she know he is Black? This is outrageous.

Heh. Sounds just like the Freeper comments. Here's a sample:

How was she paid off?

It is no longer just a coincidence that these states can’t and haven’t passed ONE bill on this issue.

---

ARIZONA IMPEACHMENT Governor Evan Mecham was impeached (convicted of some charges) in 1988.......Arizona has no Lieutenant Governor, Secretary of State is next in line. WOULD NOT BE DIFFICULT TO GET HER, AT LEAST, SUSPENDED!

From Wikipedia: These resulted in the passing of House Resolution 2002 on February 8 by a vote of 46 to 14. Upon Mecham’s impeachment by the House, his powers as governor were suspended and Secretary of State Mofford became acting governor. Arizona has no lieutenant governor, so the secretary of state stands first in the order of succession.

---

No one was demanding circumcision information. It was an option for those who don’t have actual birth certificates (like Obama). The State Deparment also accepts a variety of secondary documentation for those who don’t have legal birth certificates. None of the secondary evidence guarantees you’ll be recognized as a U.S. citizen, but it may help if you have enough secondary documents to show.

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She sure has some more ‘splaining to do...this is bad, bad juju! Paid off, or threatened? Which is it? IRS audit? Something really smells bad here. She KNOWS that keeping him off the ballots may be the only recourse we have as every other avenue has been blocked by crooked judges and the DOJ!

LOL forever.

110 Gus  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:08:07pm

re: #109 Lidane

Heh. Sounds just like the Freeper comments. Here's a sample:

LOL forever.

Wut? Already? LOL

111 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:11:48pm

re: #109 Lidane

Heh. Sounds just like the Freeper comments. Here's a sample:

LOL forever.

They're already jonesin' for their victim salads and martyr cookies. Pathetic.

112 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:13:36pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

He'll scream and spew, but Brewer will ignore him. And the only effect he'll have is to continue his climb to the top of the Laughingstock Tree.

Also known as the Republican Polls. Brewer may have only vetoed because the AZ legislature has enough votes to override and she's covering her butt for when the law get's smacked down by the Supremes.

113 Lidane  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:15:28pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

Also known as the Republican Polls.

Heh.

Brewer may have only vetoed because the AZ legislature has enough votes to override and she's covering her butt for when the law get's smacked down by the Supremes.

That too. If she vetoes this birther idiocy now and calls it a step too far, then it gets overridden, she doesn't look like the fanatic. The legislature does. And they're the ones who look crazy when SCOTUS inevitably kills the bill.

114 Gus  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:16:32pm

Long after I'm gone the world will still be crazy.

115 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:17:15pm

Well done, Gov Brewer.

Off-topic: the kitchen station that had me semi-frozen with anticipation of a hellish experience turned out to be one that I very much enjoyed and actually did very well at: sandwich station. In practice, this means that I made double cheeseburgers, plus a "special" sandwich of my choosing - grilled flank steak with sauteed peppers/onion with melted pepper jack cheese. In addition, I had to prepare quesadillas while the other student was on break.

Grace under pressure. As soon as 5 pm struck, I was hit with four cheeseburgers and three special sandwich orders, and the orders kept up till my shift ended 45 minutes later. Good times. I enjoyed the rush of adrenaline - and yes, it helped that i was organized.

A quote I use when I get fearful or intimidated:

“You gain strength, courage, and confidence by every experience by which you really stop to look fear in the face. You are able to say to yourself, 'I lived through this horror. I can take the next thing that comes along. You must do the thing you think you cannot do."

-Eleanor Roosevelt.

116 Gus  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:17:26pm

Moon River - Frank Sinatra

Youtube Video
117 jaunte  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:17:31pm

re: #114 Gus 802

Time for sleep; here's some music to keep round your hats.

Youtube Video
118 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:18:34pm

hello all!

How has the day been?

119 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:20:11pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

Also known as the Republican Polls. Brewer may have only vetoed because the AZ legislature has enough votes to override and she's covering her butt for when the law get's smacked down by the Supremes.

You can't give any Republican any credit, can you? Brewer vetoed the damn thing and the reasons she gave were good ones. Cut he some slack, geeze.

And with that, I've got to get to bed. Goodnight.

120 engineer cat  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:20:23pm

re: #115 eclectic infidel

i learned many of the skills that have helped me survive as a software engineer for 25 years during the 5 years i spent cooking in restaurants

121 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:21:39pm

re: #118 ggt

hello all!

How has the day been?

Hi. Too long for me. Sorry to check out just as you arrive, but we'll be short-handed at work tomorrow, so I need to be at my best.

122 boxhead  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:22:24pm

re: #118 ggt

hello all!

How has the day been?

long for me as well... :) at least the Dodgers won!

123 Gus  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:25:15pm

FRONTLINE |"The Silence" Excerpt | PBS

Youtube Video
124 boxhead  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:30:26pm

re: #123 Gus 802

horrible shit..... systematic treatment of others as not equal or worthy. When someone can look at others as not the same as them it paves the path to atrocities.

125 Gus  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:32:53pm

re: #124 boxhead

horrible shit... systematic treatment of others as not equal or worthy. When someone can look at others as not the same as them it paves the path to atrocities.

The rampant abuse of the Catholic Church is staggering. It's well beyond anything that could be dismissed as a conspiracy or localized history.

126 Gus  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:34:11pm

FRONTLINE: The Silence | PBS

FRONTLINE examines a little-known chapter of the Catholic Church sex abuse story -- decades of abuse of Native Americans by priests and other church workers in Alaska. Through candid interviews with survivors, this FRONTLINE report focuses on the abuse by a number of men who worked for the Church along Alaska's far west coast in the late 1960s and early 1970s. All told, they would leave behind a trail of hundreds of claims of abuse, making this one of the hardest hit regions in the country. As part of FRONTLINE's new magazine program, The Silence airs as the lead segment on Tuesday, April 19, 2011, at 9 P.M. ET on PBS.

The Silence is a co-presentation with Native American Public Telecommunications (NAPT).

127 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:34:45pm

I have a hard time with "gun-free zones" on a logical level. Seems that is where the Crazies go when they want to "make a statement". It doesn't stop the crazies and they are the ones we seem to have the most problems with. (or at least, they are the ones that make the MSM stories)

Kind of like being the only employer in a community that doesn't test for drugs --guess who is going to apply for job with you?

I agree that only the hard-core hunters and sport shooting students would apply for a CC. They are hardly the type you need to worry about (In my experience anyway).

A few women who have are being stalked --although I'm not sure they are the candidates to begin with. There is some theory about women in violent situations are more likely to have the gun taken from them by their abuser and used against them. They'd have to have hours and hours of target time (perhaps some therapy) before they were confident enough to use it.

I don't know the psychology behind stalking victims. I've never really gotten used to the "i feel scared, I'll go buy a gun" meme. In my mind, firearm ownership means thousands of rounds of ammo fired and more than a few hours classroom time. Just "going and buying a gun" seems like a bad idea to me.

I know CC classes are pretty comprehensive, so maybe just taking the class would educate people and do a world of good to dispel gun phobia and myths.

128 boxhead  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:37:55pm

re: #125 Gus 802

The rampant abuse of the Catholic Church is staggering. It's well beyond anything that could be dismissed as a conspiracy or localized history.

Absolute power corrupts..... Lack of transparency is a problem. Secrecy.... etc.. Look at the Spanish Inquisition... Heck, the Church was a world power at one time. But I blame it on the nature of man rather than people having a spiritual belief.

All the wrongs marginalize all the positive the Catholic Church has done.

129 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:38:49pm

re: #125 Gus 802

The rampant abuse of the Catholic Church is staggering. It's well beyond anything that could be dismissed as a conspiracy or localized history.

rampant abuse by individuals is staggering --in and out of the Church.

I'm not trying to defend the Church's actions in anyway in covering-up and otherwise ignoring the issue.

I just don't want it to take attention away from non-Church abusers.

THEY ALL DESERVE TO BURN . . . .

130 Gus  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:40:00pm

re: #129 ggt

rampant abuse by individuals is staggering --in and out of the Church.

I'm not trying to defend the Church's actions in anyway in covering-up and otherwise ignoring the issue.

I just don't want it to take attention away from non-Church abusers.

THEY ALL DESERVE TO BURN . . .

I know. But I was focused on the topic of Frontline. You know can't spread it out too far because then you'll lose focus on the particular program.

131 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:42:12pm

I think what pisses me off the most about this is that the Church had and still has the opportunity to take the lead on child abuse.

Imagine if an organization as large and influential as the Catholic Church cleaned house and decided to lead the world on education and prevention of child molestation.

Instead, the go on and on and on.

Kind of like the old priest we used to have when I was a kid. Never understood a word he said, he just kept talking in a monotone mumble, on and on and on . . .

132 Gus  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:43:03pm

And since one has to stay focused you hone in. The fact is that the Catholic Church has a very serious and grave problem that continues to this day. We can blow it off by saying "it happens everywhere". Sure it does to some extent. There's been sexual abuse at the Air Force Academy but it pales in comparison to the Catholic Church. At least the did something about it.

133 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:44:38pm

re: #132 Gus 802

And since one has to stay focused you hone in. The fact is that the Catholic Church has a very serious and grave problem that continues to this day. We can blow it off by saying "it happens everywhere". Sure it does to some extent. There's been sexual abuse at the Air Force Academy but it pales in comparison to the Catholic Church. At least the did something about it.

The Church is so inbred. I had to take their Protecting God's Children class to be involved with kids in our parish. It was a good class, but not nearly as good as it could have been.

The only focus was on what happened on Church property. Nothing about looking for signs of abuse in general.

134 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:46:12pm

I'm falling asleep.

Night all!

135 Gus  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:46:21pm

re: #133 ggt

The Church is so inbred. I had to take their Protecting God's Children class to be involved with kids in our parish. It was a good class, but not nearly as good as it could have been.

The only focus was on what happened on Church property. Nothing about looking for signs of abuse in general.

Inbred or better yet insular. That's part of the problem. They're also so intent on being the moral authority that they refuse to acknowledge their own failings. This of course leads to disfunctionality.

136 boxhead  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:46:41pm

re: #132 Gus 802

And since one has to stay focused you hone in. The fact is that the Catholic Church has a very serious and grave problem that continues to this day. We can blow it off by saying "it happens everywhere". Sure it does to some extent. There's been sexual abuse at the Air Force Academy but it pales in comparison to the Catholic Church. At least the did something about it.

It is still a problem because the "old dogs" are running the show. Belief in exceptionalism is a problem.

137 boxhead  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:47:21pm

re: #134 ggt

I'm falling asleep.

Night all!

nite... I think it is time for me too... :)

138 Lidane  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 10:58:21pm

Best. Endorsement. Ever.

[Link: www.tvsquad.com...]

139 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 11:01:10pm

re: #109 Lidane

Heh. Sounds just like the Freeper comments. Here's a sample:

LOL forever.

LOL some more. Jan is in on the conspiracy!

To: RBW in PA

Remember Jan Brewer WAS the Arizona Secretary of State for the 2008 Presidential election. SHE validated the usurper on Arizona’s ballot. She is implicated in the cover up. Also, the “birther” bill passed both the Arizona House(40 votes) and Senate(20 votes). These numbers constitute a super-majority. JAN CAN BE OVERRIDDEN!!

43 posted on Monday, April 18, 2011 8:40:46 PM by persistence48

140 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 11:09:12pm

It's that damn Soros again!

To: FreeReign

Are you not aware of the Soros Secretary of State program that got elected several key SOS’s in multiple States such as Minnesota where the Soros chosen SOS pulled off the fraud that got the Al Franken win!?

It’s happening all over the country. Soros is backing the Secretary of State project, and that is the probable reason as to why Brewer is afraid of giving all that unchecked authority to the SOS.

63 posted on Monday, April 18, 2011 9:05:04 PM by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)

On no wait. She's just protecting Mitt Romney!

To: butterdezillion

Like to add that there’s a technicality in all this “birther” business that may trip up Romney as a candidate. She may be a Mitbot so she would not let a law get enacted that would hurt Mit.

72 posted on Monday, April 18, 2011 9:11:45 PM by muawiyah


These fools are all over the place!

141 Gus  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 11:14:41pm

re: #140 moderatelyradicalliberal

It's that damn Soros again!

On no wait. She's just protecting Mitt Romney!

These fools are all over the place!

Functional psychopaths.

142 engineer cat  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 11:18:45pm

poking around, it's beginning to look like the regular republican party's birther infestation is reaching the critical level

Want to turn up the pressure to learn the facts? Get your signs and postcards asking for the president's birth certificate documentation from the Birth Certificate Store!

Read more: Unveiled! Hawaii's 1961 long-form birth certificates [Link: www.wnd.com...]

Calling all Hawaiians [Birth certificate]
Now we have a new story from the former health director in the state of Hawaii.

Even if the president of the United States wanted his long-form birth certificate, he couldn't get it.

No Hawaiians can, Dr. Chiyome Fukino insists.

But, of course, that presents us with another problem.

What about all the other Hawaiians who have managed to secure these elusive documents without incident?

How did they do it?

How did Eleanor Nordyke manage to get copies of her twins' birth certificates – twins born one day later at the Kapi'olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital. (You can see those here.)

I'm calling on all Hawaiians to let me know if you have been able to secure a long-form birth certificate from the Hawaii health department in recent years. Send me the image files and tell me your story of how you secured it and what hassles you had or didn't have.

outta control!

143 Gus  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 11:19:58pm

Over and out!

144 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 11:38:53pm

I'm starting a band called Governor Exorcist


fucking A that has a hell of a ring to it

145 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 11:43:12pm

re: #142 engineer dog

what a cancer!

I gotta say, I never saw THIS coming. I saw the racism coming. I did not see the GOP-in-the-21st century-mainstreaming of naked Klan sheetwearing crossburner racism coming. I had no idea. Glad I know now.

Well done, GOP. You exceeded my expectations for evil. And I thought you were pretty evil, GOP!

146 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 11:43:39pm

re: #141 Gus 802

Functional psychopaths.

we meet functional psychopaths every day.

We call them "car salesmen" :D

147 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Apr 18, 2011 11:46:53pm

re: #132 Gus 802

And since one has to stay focused you hone in. The fact is that the Catholic Church has a very serious and grave problem that continues to this day. We can blow it off by saying "it happens everywhere". Sure it does to some extent. There's been sexual abuse at the Air Force Academy but it pales in comparison to the Catholic Church. At least the did something about it.

The catholic church hierarchy is one of the more powerful entities on the earth

and they'll allow a million kids to be raped to death before relinquishing power

148 Lidane  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 12:04:38am

re: #142 engineer dog

poking around, it's beginning to look like the regular republican party's birther infestation is reaching the critical level

QUARANTINE!

/Frum

149 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 12:09:35am

re: #148 Lidane

QUARANTINE!

/Frum

I wonder if a gigantic landslide win for Obama will curb the birther thing, or if it will just escalate to violence and madness

150 The Yankee  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 12:27:48am

re: #149 WindUpBird

I wonder if a gigantic landslide win for Obama will curb the birther thing, or if it will just escalate to violence and madness

Landslide wouldn't be needed, he would just need to win Utah or Texas that would be shocking enough.

151 Lidane  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 12:42:47am

re: #149 WindUpBird

I wonder if a gigantic landslide win for Obama will curb the birther thing, or if it will just escalate to violence and madness

He just needs to win re-election to piss off the birthers and send them even further off the deep end.

The GOP would have to have a Mondale-style national beating before the party would come anywhere close to getting rid of the birthers and far right nutbars.

152 researchok  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 2:56:56am

Morning, all

153 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 3:42:29am

What is wrong with me? I enjoy doing the bookkeeping for my business. I find using Quickbooks fun.

154 researchok  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:05:47am

re: #153 Obdicut

What is wrong with me? I enjoy doing the bookkeeping for my business. I find using Quickbooks fun.

I'm a fan as well.

Quick Books Pro is my vice.

155 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:06:24am

re: #153 Obdicut

What is wrong with me? I enjoy doing the bookkeeping for my business. I find using Quickbooks fun.

We really don't have time or blog space!
//

156 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:07:52am

re: #154 researchok

I've even gotten a ton of compliments on my business cards and invoice backgrounds, which are just some of the ones that came with Quickbooks. It's a retro 70's style.

157 researchok  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:12:04am

re: #156 Obdicut

I've even gotten a ton of compliments on my business cards and invoice backgrounds, which are just some of the ones that came with Quickbooks. It's a retro 70's style.

Wait till you get into the actual usefulness of the program.

The control and management is incredible. No more flying by the seat of your pants kind of management, no more buesswork, etc.

For me, I can control my costs- and I know when to turn down business. That is the best part of the deal, IMO. I let others take the none money makers.

158 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:12:41am

Eventually you hit a wall with quickbooks. When you're dealing with a thousand projects and a dozen employees it gets real bad. I dumped it when we re-organized last year.

159 researchok  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:13:53am

re: #158 RogueOne

Eventually you hit a wall with quickbooks. When you're dealing with a thousand projects and a dozen employees it gets real bad. I dumped it when we re-organized last year.

I'm a one man show, with a few subcontractors, etc.

Never more than a dozen/dozen and half projects.

160 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:15:25am

re: #157 researchok

I'm using the control stuff now. I do my payroll (for myself) through it, and have it hooked up to my bank account so I can reconcile through those transactions. That part is what I like best.

And the whole estimate > invoice flow. That's nice.

161 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:16:37am

re: #159 researchok

Being able to focus on jobs like that is nice. Splitting the company last year was the best thing to happen to me in a decade. I can easily handle my favorite 6 customers and their 60 projects a year. I can do most of the quoting and billing in my head.

162 researchok  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:17:31am

re: #160 Obdicut

I'm using the control stuff now. I do my payroll (for myself) through it, and have it hooked up to my bank account so I can reconcile through those transactions. That part is what I like best.

And the whole estimate > invoice flow. That's nice.

As you grow and deal with multiple contracts/projects you'll really appreciate the program.

One thing though-BACK EVERYTHING UP

163 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:18:57am

re: #160 Obdicut

Aren't you a sole-proprietor?

164 researchok  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:19:01am

re: #161 RogueOne

Being able to focus on jobs like that is nice. Splitting the company last year was the best thing to happen to me in a decade. I can easily handle my favorite 6 customers and their 60 projects a year. I can do most of the quoting and billing in my head.

what kind of biz?

165 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:20:09am

re: #164 researchok

Structural steel and fabrication. 75% of my work is new construction, restaurants mostly.

166 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:20:43am

re: #165 RogueOne

Which is nice because I get to take it easy from mid-december to April.

167 researchok  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:22:05am

re: #165 RogueOne

Structural steel and fabrication. 75% of my work is new construction, restaurants mostly.

Cool.

I do behavioral analysis on a contract basis. I do farm stuff out.

168 researchok  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:23:26am

re: #167 researchok

Mostly predictive

169 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:25:46am

re: #167 researchok

Cool.

I do behavioral analysis on a contract basis. I do farm stuff out.

sounds cool. For what kind of customers? The state?

170 researchok  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:27:22am

re: #169 RogueOne

sounds cool. For what kind of customers? The state?

Yes (different agencies) with private clients as well.

171 researchok  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:29:32am

re: #170 researchok

Business clients are most single minded. If they can derive an advantage they'll take it. They don't necessarily want to know why, they just want to know what.

172 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:30:28am

Anger rises after Camden officer kills dog
[Link: www.courierpostonline.com...]


Sherronda Aycox describes her family's 8-month-old blue pit bull as an indoor house dog who was friendly with neighborhood children. The dog, Capone, was headed toward the crowd of children he saw on his daily walks.

"He was just trotting down the street and one officer pulled out his gun," Aycox said. She said another officer told the cop not to shoot the dog, but he shot the animal once in the paw and continued firing.

Neighbors said they counted 33 rounds of bullets based on the police investigation on Saturday.

Delia Rodriguez said she pulled her six grandchildren to the floor and tried to cover them with her body after at least two bullets pierced the side of her home, ricocheting off the ceiling and shattering her front window.

173 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:32:52am

re: #172 RogueOne

that's a big issue with one of my friends who is quite libertarian conservative, he's a dog lover, and he just hits the roof whenever he hears about cops shooting citizens' animals, it's actually one of his hot button issues AS a conservative, police brutality of animals

174 researchok  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:36:06am

re: #173 WindUpBird

that's a big issue with one of my friends who is quite libertarian conservative, he's a dog lover, and he just hits the roof whenever he hears about cops shooting citizens' animals, it's actually one of his hot button issues AS a conservative, police brutality of animals


Is that a big problem out there?

175 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:36:34am

re: #174 researchok

Is that a big problem out there?

This isn't here, he's an internet friend I see at cons, he lives on the east coast, philly or pittsburg I think

176 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:37:19am

re: #174 researchok

I don't know much about the issue, but it isn't the first time I've heard folks from the east coast talking about this sort of thing happening :(

177 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:37:56am

re: #150 The Yankee

Landslide wouldn't be needed, he would just need to win Utah or Texas that would be shocking enough.

that would be hilarious

178 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:37:59am

re: #163 RogueOne

Aren't you a sole-proprietor?

Yes, but as an S corp.

179 researchok  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:38:44am

re: #176 WindUpBird

I don't know much about the issue, but it isn't the first time I've heard folks from the east coast talking about this sort of thing happening :(

I don't really follow the issue but I can't say it seems to be a a real problem.

180 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:39:48am

re: #173 WindUpBird

Same here, SOP seems to be shoot the dog first, puppy-cide. My best friend is a cop and I've been in some pretty brutal arguments with his compatriots about it.

According to the cops in town, my old neighbor (rental home right next door) was a drug dealer, . All I know is he was the quietest, easiest to get along with neighbor I've had. The only concern I had with him living there was if they decided to raid his place and made a mistake and burst through my front door my dogs (dobes) would react aggressively (like they should) and that would be the end of them.

181 researchok  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:39:50am

re: #178 Obdicut

Yes, but as an S corp.

Do you use subs?

182 researchok  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:40:49am

re: #180 RogueOne

Same here, SOP seems to be shoot the dog first, puppy-cide. My best friend is a cop and I've been in some pretty brutal arguments with his compatriots about it.

According to the cops in town, my old neighbor (rental home right next door) was a drug dealer, . All I know is he was the quietest, easiest to get along with neighbor I've had. The only concern I had with him living there was if they decided to raid his place and made a mistake and burst through my front door my dogs (dobes) would react aggressively (like they should) and that would be the end of them.

Clearly, I lead a sheltered life.

183 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:41:51am

re: #182 researchok

Clearly, I lead a sheltered life.

I'm pretty sure I live above some kids who are drug dealers

but this is portland, everyone and their grandma seems to have a grow operation

184 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:42:16am

re: #179 researchok

I don't really follow the issue but I can't say it seems to be a a real problem.

You can find an account of a cop shooting a dog at least once a week. Remember Mayor Calvo and his 2 dogs?

Plus:
[Link: www.google.com...]

185 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:43:14am

re: #183 WindUpBird

it's probably strange of me that I sneak out on my porch with a beer at night every once in a while in the summer and eavesdrop on them directly below me, heh

but they're just so LOUD that I consider it my right :D

186 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:43:23am

re: #181 researchok

Sorry, subs?

187 researchok  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:43:40am

re: #184 RogueOne

You can find an account of a cop shooting a dog at least once a week. Remember Mayor Calvo and his 2 dogs?

Plus:
[Link: www.google.com...]

Damn!

There are a lot more Michael Vicks out there than I thought.

188 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:43:41am

re: #184 RogueOne

times like this I'm glad I'm a cat owner

and my cats go hide when the neighbors slam the door

189 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:43:58am

re: #186 Obdicut

Sorry, subs?

subcontractors

190 researchok  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:44:49am

re: #186 Obdicut

Sorry, subs?

Subcontractors.

Sometimes a sub who specializes in one arena ca do the work cheaper than you can do it yourself (time, learning curve, etc)

191 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:45:06am

re: #189 WindUpBird

Oh. Well, right now, I'm doing all of the work myself. I may either hire an employee soon or have her work as a contractor. I have to figure out what the best situation is for both of us. I've got a couple months to figure it out.

192 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:45:22am

re: #180 RogueOne

you'd think there'd be a non-lethal way of subduing a dog. :(

193 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:46:44am

re: #191 Obdicut

Oh. Well, right now, I'm doing all of the work myself. I may either hire an employee soon or have her work as a contractor. I have to figure out what the best situation is for both of us. I've got a couple months to figure it out.

I am a long way from hiring people :D But I do have a nebulous Big Project that I could hire someone for, if it goes where I want it to...eventually...


art is so weird to make money at, I feel like a drug pusher minus the drugs

194 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:46:56am

re: #190 researchok

The area I'm in is pretty weird, and the main reason I do it as a consultant is that I'm much faster than anyone else I've met at it. The girl I might hire will be probably almost as good, but not quite, as me.

In a year or so I'm looking to expand to either build a QA house or an small-app house. More of a lateral move than an actual expansion of what I do.

195 researchok  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:47:22am

re: #191 Obdicut

Oh. Well, right now, I'm doing all of the work myself. I may either hire an employee soon or have her work as a contractor. I have to figure out what the best situation is for both of us. I've got a couple months to figure it out.

Take a cost accounting course.

You'll know pretty quickly when it's better to farm stuff out.

196 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:48:18am

re: #194 Obdicut

The area I'm in is pretty weird, and the main reason I do it as a consultant is that I'm much faster than anyone else I've met at it. The girl I might hire will be probably almost as good, but not quite, as me.

In a year or so I'm looking to expand to either build a QA house or an small-app house. More of a lateral move than an actual expansion of what I do.

THAT'S right, I remember your QA stories :D

A friend of mine who goes by mr. Wasteland in the game industry, he started in QA

197 researchok  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:48:58am

re: #194 Obdicut

The area I'm in is pretty weird, and the main reason I do it as a consultant is that I'm much faster than anyone else I've met at it. The girl I might hire will be probably almost as good, but not quite, as me.

In a year or so I'm looking to expand to either build a QA house or an small-app house. More of a lateral move than an actual expansion of what I do.

Gotcha.

How much run of the mill stuff do you do? If a fair amount, down the road that might pay t farm out (cheaper) and allow you to concentrate on the profitable stuff

198 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:49:07am

re: #182 researchok

A couple years ago I let my dog out early in the morning and he immediately takes off growling behind my garage. I followed him to see what his issue was and found a big rott-mix bleeding in the corner of my yard. He didn't growl or act aggressive in any way but I called animal control because he was hurt and scared so I didn't want to mess with him too much.

Animal control shows up and tells me they had been looking for him. There was a domestic dispute a couple blocks away and when the cop showed up the dog was outside with the wife. The cop tried to arrest the drunk woman, the dog growls, he tells the lady to get the dog in the house and she tells him to go ahead and shoot it, it's her husbands dog anyway.

199 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:49:28am

re: #194 Obdicut

here is his terrifyingly smart game blog [Link: www.magicalwasteland.com...]

200 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:49:50am

re: #195 researchok

No, it's not just about cost. The girl I'd hire is an old colleague who is really really good at her stuff. My main goal is to hire her (assuming the contracts I think will be coming in do come in), so it's mainly about what status she wants to have. She's worth it.

Luckily, it seems there are advantages either way for me-- job creation tax benefits if she wants to be an actual employee, and simplicity and lack of accountancy headaches (not to mention lower overall cost) if she wants to 1099 it.

201 researchok  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:50:27am

re: #198 RogueOne

A couple years ago I let my dog out early in the morning and he immediately takes off growling behind my garage. I followed him to see what his issue was and found a big rott-mix bleeding in the corner of my yard. He didn't growl or act aggressive in any way but I called animal control because he was hurt and scared so I didn't want to mess with him too much.

Animal control shows up and tells me they had been looking for him. There was a domestic dispute a couple blocks away and when the cop showed up the dog was outside with the wife. The cop tried to arrest the drunk woman, the dog growls, he tells the lady to get the dog in the house and she tells him to go ahead and shoot it, it's her husbands dog anyway.

Damn.

Sounds like the cops are looking for a cause/case.

202 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:51:02am

re: #195 researchok

Take a cost accounting course.

You'll know pretty quickly when it's better to farm stuff out.

computer people, we don't have high costs :D I have a computer, a tablet, and that's my costs. Electricity, internet. Cheese. beer. Cat food. Maybe some art books.

203 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:51:34am

re: #199 WindUpBird

Mortal Kombat came out at midnight. I bought a copy months ago but I didn't want to pick it up that late. I'm headed out in a couple hours to grab it. I've planned my day around playing.

204 researchok  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:52:55am

re: #200 Obdicut

No, it's not just about cost. The girl I'd hire is an old colleague who is really really good at her stuff. My main goal is to hire her (assuming the contracts I think will be coming in do come in), so it's mainly about what status she wants to have. She's worth it.

Luckily, it seems there are advantages either way for me-- job creation tax benefits if she wants to be an actual employee, and simplicity and lack of accountancy headaches (not to mention lower overall cost) if she wants to 1099 it.

Well, I hope you get the contracts.

Right now I'm in a position to turn down business.

If it isn't profitable enough (or the client is a pain in the ass) I just say no.

Tons of work out there nowadays.

205 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:54:18am

re: #203 RogueOne

Mortal Kombat came out at midnight. I bought a copy months ago but I didn't want to pick it up that late. I'm headed out in a couple hours to grab it. I've planned my day around playing.

I know! A good friend of mine won a $8000 arcade machine of it at a San Francisco MK tournament tonight. he called me a few hours ago to tell me :D

I am TOTALLY NOT MAKING THAT UP

I'm so bad at fighting games. I'd rather watch :D BABALITY ANIMALITY oh, and that one MK game that was computer only? That had some truly disgusting fatalities, heh

206 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:54:35am

re: #203 RogueOne

also Portal 2 *_*

207 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:55:11am

re: #204 researchok

I'm in a rather specialized area that means there aren't a ton of clients out there; I have two big clients and it's mainly a matter of getting more and more work from them. That's one reason I want to expand to a QA house; a parallel, related, but not dependent business.

208 researchok  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:55:48am

re: #202 WindUpBird

computer people, we don't have high costs :D I have a computer, a tablet, and that's my costs. Electricity, internet. Cheese. beer. Cat food. Maybe some art books.

Not so fast, grasshopper!

Those are fixed costs, easy to determine.

Do you know what it costs you to service a client, by project or by hour?

Do you know what it costs you to churn out the easy stuff versus the more specialized stuff? Do you charge differently for each?

Do you know what maintenance/legacy costs are?

209 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:57:04am

re: #201 researchok

OTOH, My folks have a couple acres fenced in with privacy fence. 3 or 4 years ago there was a stabbing in a neighborhood close to them and the police, with their dog, dismantled a section of the fence to get through their yard. My folks didn't know what was going on so they let their dog, who's a big incredibly playful boy, out. He immediately took off after the police dog, seeing a new potential friend, but there was no way for them to know he was friendly. My mom called me as my dad goes out to see what was going on and my first thought was "there goes their dog". The police were very patient. They didn't want rowdy jumping on their expensive dog but they gave dad a chance to get him and get him in the house. They also sent someone back to repair the fence.

210 researchok  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:57:16am

re: #207 Obdicut

I'm in a rather specialized area that means there aren't a ton of clients out there; I have two big clients and it's mainly a matter of getting more and more work from them. That's one reason I want to expand to a QA house; a parallel, related, but not dependent business.

That's a good idea.

My biz has two distinct areas as well. Each can provide business independent of the other.

211 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:58:14am

re: #206 WindUpBird

Portal 2 is going to be fun. Have they released that yet?

212 researchok  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 4:58:51am

re: #209 RogueOne

OTOH, My folks have a couple acres fenced in with privacy fence. 3 or 4 years ago there was a stabbing in a neighborhood close to them and the police, with their dog, dismantled a section of the fence to get through their yard. My folks didn't know what was going on so they let their dog, who's a big incredibly playful boy, out. He immediately took off after the police dog, seeing a new potential friend, but there was no way for them to know he was friendly. My mom called me as my dad goes out to see what was going on and my first thought was "there goes their dog". The police were very patient. They didn't want rowdy jumping on their expensive dog but they gave dad a chance to get him and get him in the house. They also sent someone back to repair the fence.

Good outcome, for sure. That had the potential for disaster.

So when are you getting a farm/wildlife refuge?

213 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 5:01:05am

re: #208 researchok

Not so fast, grasshopper!

Those are fixed costs, easy to determine.

Do you know what it costs you to service a client, by project or by hour?

Do you know what it costs you to churn out the easy stuff versus the more specialized stuff? Do you charge differently for each?

Do you know what maintenance/legacy costs are?

I'm an artist with an egg timer. i know exactly how long it takes me to do a thing if all I want to do is fire it out :D

But I'm also doing creative work mostly for myself, that people then pay me for. My fees vary. A troublesome gig I will charge a lot for. A way fun thing that is right up my alley or that I can then do something else with, I charge much less. I'm sorta flighty, I'm probably not the most hawkish business person on earth, but I am essentially playing with my subconscious for a living. :) Sometimes the art takes a direction, and I just follow the trail.


Maintenace costs for my computer? I have a lifetime labor warranty with Puget Systems, so there's only costs if something fails or I break it. My software is cheap (SAI) or old (photoshop 5.5) or open source (Scribus, Gimp, various smaller tools)

214 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 5:01:24am

re: #211 RogueOne

Portal 2 is going to be fun. Have they released that yet?

just came out tonight, everyone bitching about Steam hanging, as per usual

215 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 5:02:25am

re: #210 researchok

That's a good idea.

My biz has two distinct areas as well. Each can provide business independent of the other.

my two distinct areas are self-initiated work I sell, and work I do on commission. And I just sorta hover between them randomly

216 researchok  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 5:02:51am

re: #213 WindUpBird

I'm an artist with an egg timer. i know exactly how long it takes me to do a thing if all I want to do is fire it out :D

But I'm also doing creative work mostly for myself, that people then pay me for. My fees vary. A troublesome gig I will charge a lot for. A way fun thing that is right up my alley or that I can then do something else with, I charge much less. I'm sorta flighty, I'm probably not the most hawkish business person on earth, but I am essentially playing with my subconscious for a living. :) Sometimes the art takes a direction, and I just follow the trail.

Maintenace costs for my computer? I have a lifetime labor warranty with Puget Systems, so there's only costs if something fails or I break it. My software is cheap (SAI) or old (photoshop 5.5) or open source (Scribus, Gimp, various smaller tools)

You're on top of stuff.

I am essentially playing with my subconscious for a living. :)

OK, now that made me laugh.

217 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 5:03:03am

re: #212 researchok

Good outcome, for sure. That had the potential for disaster.

So when are you getting a farm/wildlife refuge?

I volunteer a couple times a year at a dobe rescue in Cincy. It's a massive farm and they keep almost 30 dobes running free. My goal is to buy a much bigger place and have 8-10 dobes. I have a friend in AZ that has 12. He sent me a pic years ago of him sitting on his big-ass deck surrounded by the dogs. I'm jealous.

218 researchok  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 5:04:50am

re: #217 RogueOne

I volunteer a couple times a year at a dobe rescue in Cincy. It's a massive farm and they keep almost 30 dobes running free. My goal is to buy a much bigger place and have 8-10 dobes. I have a friend in AZ that has 12. He sent me a pic years ago of him sitting on his big-ass deck surrounded by the dogs. I'm jealous.

Funny you should say that.

I've always wanted some acreage- gentleman farmer kind of thing.

When I grow up I want greenhouses.

219 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 5:05:28am

re: #216 researchok

You're on top of stuff.

OK, now that made me laugh.

it's really true, there's stuff I've done for people, sleep deprived, stoned out of my mind, down three beers, I stay up 30 hours at a stretch to finish it because it's just going so well, collapse, wake up and look at the thing, and it actually usually works, because there's something about the way stuff comes out of me when I'm clouding my conscious mind a bit and in a zone

doens't always work (not for anything technical) but for certain things it sure can *_*

220 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 5:06:32am

re: #218 researchok

Funny you should say that.

I've always wanted some acreage- gentleman farmer kind of thing.

When I grow up I want greenhouses.

I worked in a greenhouse as a teenager ayieee

221 researchok  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 5:06:51am

re: #219 WindUpBird

it's really true, there's stuff I've done for people, sleep deprived, stoned out of my mind, down three beers, I stay up 30 hours at a stretch to finish it because it's just going so well, collapse, wake up and look at the thing, and it actually usually works, because there's something about the way stuff comes out of me when I'm clouding my conscious mind a bit and in a zone

doens't always work (not for anything technical) but for certain things it sure can *_*

I envy that kind of artistic/creative talent.

222 researchok  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 5:07:40am

re: #220 WindUpBird

I worked in a greenhouse as a teenager ayieee

That bad?

I want to grow hydroponic tomatoes and make millions.

223 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 5:08:27am

re: #219 WindUpBird

I'm going to be entering the zone in a little while. I have a new tool, that crashes all the time, and I need to build a new type of project I've never built before, using specifications that are still being altered as I work, for a deadline of tomorrow morning.

It'll be fun.

224 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 5:08:38am

re: #222 researchok

you can make a lot of money with hydro, not sure about tomatoes though//

225 researchok  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 5:09:17am

re: #224 RogueOne

you can make a lot of money with hydro, not sure about tomatoes though//

2.69 lb plus here.

I'll make a fortune.

226 researchok  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 5:10:35am

Alright, I'm outta here for a while.

Later, all.

227 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 5:11:33am

re: #221 researchok

I envy that kind of artistic/creative talent.

Talent is another word (IMHO) for the inclination to just do it and not stop. it's more persistence than anything. I started at age 2 and never stopped. Same with drums. started at age 12, never stopped. Now I'm picking up the guitar again, and I just try and play 2 or 3 hours a night. The object for me is to just not stop, you lose momentum with the discoveries of the medium

And yet, I can show you stuff I did in art college (and I won't) that honestly is wretched and useless. it was like I lost skill for a while. Maybe I was just intimidated by my classmates, who knows :P

Then i actually sat down and sorta "relearned" to draw a few years back, because I was becoming angry at myself for all my bullshit cheap shortcuts, faking things with paint and atmosphere and swirly designy bits

228 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 5:13:07am

re: #222 researchok

That bad?

I want to grow hydroponic tomatoes and make millions.

I got a urinary tract infection from that greenhouse >:-( it was so humid and gross and crap floating around in the air and god knows what was going on, I was dying from the heat and the sweating, 100 degrees outside, who knows how hot inside

229 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 5:13:47am

re: #223 Obdicut

I'm going to be entering the zone in a little while. I have a new tool, that crashes all the time, and I need to build a new type of project I've never built before, using specifications that are still being altered as I work, for a deadline of tomorrow morning.

It'll be fun.

oh shit O_O

That's pressure I couldn't bear

230 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 5:14:53am

re: #229 WindUpBird

It's easier when you know what the final end-state will look like. It's not like art; there's no quality improvements that aren't related to direct functionality. If I put all the pieces together, I'm done. I don't have to also have them look pretty. Any elegance is solely to serve functionality.

231 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 5:15:06am

re: #221 researchok

I envy that kind of artistic/creative talent.

I switched from white collar to blue roughly 15 years ago. I find it incredibly satisfying to draft and fabricate a building full of steel and bolt it all together in the field like a big erector set. 500 bolts, everything has to line up perfectly, and you have to be level within 1/8" over 30'.

232 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 5:17:44am

re: #230 Obdicut

It's easier when you know what the final end-state will look like. It's not like art; there's no quality improvements that aren't related to direct functionality. If I put all the pieces together, I'm done. I don't have to also have them look pretty. Any elegance is solely to serve functionality.

true, it's a spec, it's not a "uhhh I'l know when it's done maybe" thing

When i worked on video games, it was like that, they were sprites I built in a modeling program, super mechanical and to spec, no fussing

233 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 5:28:06am

I'm not sure this endorsement is going to help:

Gary Busey: I'm voting for Trump
[Link: www.politico.com...]

234 kirkspencer  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 5:28:09am

re: #190 researchok

Subcontractors.

Sometimes a sub who specializes in one arena ca do the work cheaper than you can do it yourself (time, learning curve, etc)

Comparative Advantage works at the small level as well as it does for nations. In other words, in some cases it may be better to subcontract even if it is cheaper for you to do it yourself -- if, for example, while doing the sub-job you're NOT doing things that earn you more.

235 aagcobb  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 5:41:57am

re: #14 BryanS

Yes, Jindal has to maintain his street cred with the birfers if he wants to remain viable as a presidential candidate.

236 darthstar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 5:44:05am

I can see why Brewer would veto this...certificates of circumcision aren't common for women candidates. Hell, I lost my circumcision certificate and I'm a guy. Fortunately, I still have my foreskin with me everywhere I go for identification (I carry it slung over my shoulder like a burlap sack, yo.).

Circumcision certificates...they really wrote that? Ha!

237 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 5:55:43am

re: #236 darthstar

.....Fortunately, I still have my foreskin with me everywhere I go for identification (I carry it slung over my shoulder like a burlap sack, yo.).
.....

I turned mine into a friendship bracelet.

238 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 5:56:29am

They've upped her charges:

Duke lacrosse accuser charged with murder in boyfriend's stabbing
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

239 darthstar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 6:04:58am

re: #238 RogueOne

They've upped her charges:

Duke lacrosse accuser charged with murder in boyfriend's stabbing
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

That's sad. Some people's lives just spiral around the drain.

240 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 6:05:28am

re: #236 darthstar

Did you see the "Bullshit" episode about circumcision? Theres a bit in there with a very old man hanging weights from his junk in order to grow his foreskin back. I was LMAO watching when my wife walked in to see what I was laughing about. "OMG! What the hell are you watching!"

241 Lidane  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 6:07:52am

re: #206 WindUpBird

also Portal 2 *_*

I had a friend of mine text me about Portal 2 at 3am. Since it's his birthday I'll let him live. For now. ;)

242 darthstar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 6:08:27am

re: #240 RogueOne

Don't know that show, but I can see where watching an old man hang weights from his penis might be entertaining. Here...hold my beer, I gotta try this. Ha!

243 Lidane  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 6:12:22am

re: #242 darthstar

Don't know that show

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

244 darthstar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 6:15:23am

re: #243 Lidane

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Hanging weights from Penn & Teller seems equally stimulating...entertainment wise.

245 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 6:16:04am

re: #242 darthstar

Penn & Teller "Bullshit" on showtime. The only political/topical oriented show with gratuitous nudity and profanity. Teller turned one of the episodes into an off-broadway show called "Play Dead":

[Link: www.npr.org...]

246 kirkspencer  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 6:20:01am

re: #222 researchok

That bad?

I want to grow hydroponic tomatoes and make millions.

Herbs. Fresh herbs, not dried or seeds.

I was in Wal-mart the other day (don't laugh, my income says that's what I can afford), and happened to notice fresh herbs in the produce. Two bucks for THAT? Based on the retail price and size I've got a couple of rosemary bushes that can bring me a quick thousand, or by controlling the trimmings a few hundred a month for a few months each year. Never mind the thyme and basil and oregano plants (to name a few).

247 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 6:20:14am

On the NPR sidebar:

Portal 2: A Student Video Game Project, All Grown Up
[Link: www.npr.org...]

248 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 6:23:04am

Morning Honcos.

249 darthstar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 6:23:43am

re: #248 Cannadian Club Akbar

Morning Honcos.

There goes the neighborhood.//

Good morning, CCA. How's it hanging?

250 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 6:28:30am

re: #249 darthstar

There goes the neighborhood.//

Good morning, CCA. How's it hanging?

My brother's friend who stays in the back room was either drunk or on shrooms last night when I got home from dinner. He shoved some liquid soaps (in glass containers) out of a window sill after I asked him if he wanted some fries. The containers broke on the floor, and beating him would have only landed me in jail. Plus tomorrow he goes to court for spitting on 2 cops. (battery on a LEO) His 3rd and 4th such charges. He thinks he will do no jail time and no probation. Did I mention he is stoopid?

251 darthstar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 6:30:51am

re: #250 Cannadian Club Akbar

good shrooms?

252 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 6:32:29am

re: #251 darthstar

good shrooms?

This is Florida. If they don't kill you (user error) you will trip. And actually we are about a month away from shroom season. (rain, humidity, heat)

253 darthstar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 6:33:46am

re: #250 Cannadian Club Akbar

I suspect the judge won't be so understanding on the spitting on cops charges. But if the jails are overcrowded... Maybe he'd be happier sleeping someplace else, like on the street.

254 McSpiff  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 6:35:00am

From the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation's website

Come on, before a person gets their name on any ballot for presidency, he should require a Birth-certificate. A valid one. If Barry were truly an american citizen, with a valid BC, he would obviously just show the darn thing. He has a very checkered past i am sure.
I have to show one to get an ID or a license , so should the man who controls a nations well being. Get some scruples people.
This Arixona lady obviously an Obama pawn, and I am sure that she and he have some back-room dealings regarding the immigration issues.

Wake Up!

The stoopid has jumped the border!

255 darthstar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 6:35:43am

re: #252 Cannadian Club Akbar

This is Florida. If they don't kill you (user error) you will trip. And actually we are about a month away from shroom season. (rain, humidity, heat)

We got back from a four day weekend yesterday afternoon and I looked out on the lawn to see lots of little mushrooms and my wife said, "Don't you eat those!" My trippin' days are over, but it was fun thinking about it for a minute.

256 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 6:36:18am

re: #253 darthstar

I suspect the judge won't be so understanding on the spitting on cops charges. But if the jails are overcrowded... Maybe he'd be happier sleeping someplace else, like on the street.

Actually, the jail here gets $100 a day from the state to have prisoners. If he gets 11-29 (11 months and 29 days) they will make a fortune. They generally do a jail sweep with people who only have a 30 day ride.

257 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 6:38:24am

re: #254 McSpiff

From the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation's website

The stoopid has jumped the border!

From what I have heard, they have enough votes in the Arizona senate and house to override the veto.

258 darthstar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 6:38:56am

re: #257 Cannadian Club Akbar

From what I have heard, they have enough votes in the Arizona senate and house to override the veto.

But do they have enough crazy?

Time to go run the dogs...bbl.

259 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 6:39:59am

re: #258 darthstar

But do they have enough crazy?

Time to go run the dogs be dragged by the dogs...bbl.

260 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 6:46:35am

I'm glad I don't have kids. I don't envy people with daughters these days:

Kiki Kannibal: The Girl Who Played With Fire
[Link: www.rollingstone.com...]

It started online and quickly grew into the most intimate of betrayals. The rise, fall and stubborn survival of Kiki Kannibal, a teenage Internet celebrity who discovered that the real world can be a very scary place

261 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 6:48:28am

re: #258 darthstar

But do they have enough crazy?

It seems like the crazy is in plentiful supply these days.

Right, so who got the side order of industrial-grade stupid?

262 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 6:58:26am

re: #247 RogueOne

On the NPR sidebar:

Portal 2: A Student Video Game Project, All Grown Up
[Link: www.npr.org...]

I'm looking forward to it.

263 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 6:59:54am

re: #261 thedopefishlives

It seems like the crazy is in plentiful supply these days.

Right, so who got the side order of industrial-grade stupid?

[Link: www.stumbleupon.com...]

264 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:02:31am

Playboy does James O'Keefe:

Who Does James O'Keefe think he is?
[Link: www.playboy.com...]


WHO HIS MARKS THINKS HE IS:
When I mention the name Sonja Merchant-Jones, the Maryland ACORN co-chair O’Keefe basically put out of business, he draws a blank. “That name sounds familiar. Can you remind me?” When I do, his reaction is minimal. I also have to remind him who Carolyn Knight-Cole, the Rutgers administrator, and Autumn Kersey, the Planned Parenthood representative, are. Such forgetfulness takes a special kind of mind. All three women definitely remember him. Knight-Cole sounds like a grandmother whose grandson has stolen from her; she now has total disdain for someone she was trained to love. Kersey refuses to speak about him at all. For her part, ­Merchant-Jones seems to hate ACORN more than O’Keefe. “All is fair in love and war,” she tells me. “If the shoe were on the other foot, we would have done the same thing. I don’t have any hard feelings about James. Well done, James O’Keefe. Well done.”

265 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:02:45am

Drudge is all excited about a reporter being rude to the president.

266 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:04:26am

re: #265 Killgore Trout

Drudge is all excited about a reporter being rude to the president.

He is also pimping Brietbart, Coulter and Charles Manson. Heh.

267 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:05:37am

re: #265 Killgore Trout

He needs to write off texas. It's a waste of money and time.

This is interesting:


Obama also spoke Monday with television interviewers from Denver, Indianapolis, and Raleigh, N.C.

2 of those 3 states he desperately needs to keep. He's not going to win Indiana again.

268 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:07:21am

re: #267 RogueOne

He needs to write off texas. It's a waste of money and time.

This is interesting:

2 of those 3 states he desperately needs to keep. He's not going to win Indiana again.

NC has a Dem gubner so that might help him. Not sure about Colorado.

269 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:08:36am

re: #267 RogueOne

He needs to write off texas. It's a waste of money and time.

This is interesting:

2 of those 3 states he desperately needs to keep. He's not going to win Indiana again.

I just skimmed the article but the reporter seems to be badgering him about losing Texas. When was the last time Texas voted for a Dem? I'm pretty sure it's been a pretty long time.

270 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:10:20am

re: #268 Cannadian Club Akbar

He won NC by less than 1% in '08. He's going to have to fight to keep it. CO went Obama by around 10% (200k votes). That's going to be a tough pick up for a republican candidate especially if the candidate is right winger.

271 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:10:40am

re: #268 Cannadian Club Akbar

Colorado will go blue again. Even in the last election, we kept the Senate seat and Governorship in Democratic hands.

272 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:10:47am

re: #269 Killgore Trout

1976 was the last time.

273 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:12:15am

re: #267 RogueOne


2 of those 3 states he desperately needs to keep. He's not going to win Indiana again.

I don't know. Even my folks realize that as bad as they think Obama is, there's nobody on the other side of the aisle that's any better. He might have a better shot than you think.

274 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:13:34am

re: #271 ProLifeLiberal

Colorado will go blue again. Even in the last election, we kept the Senate seat and Governorship in Democratic hands.

It could be close. Bush won CO in '04.

275 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:14:43am

re: #273 thedopefishlives

I don't know. Even my folks realize that as bad as they think Obama is, there's nobody on the other side of the aisle that's any better. He might have a better shot than you think.

I think he's going to win re-election right now but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion just yet. It's going to be tougher than some are making it out to be.

276 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:16:14am

re: #274 RogueOne

Colorado Springs has lost a lot of power. Denver, Ft. Collins, Boulder, and Pueblo have grown fast enough to hem in the Republicans. And frankly, I'm happy for it. I still remember and feel what happened in COS because I was a Democrat. To put it bluntly, it is unlikely I'll ever be able to vote conservative or Republican.

277 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:16:21am

re: #271 ProLifeLiberal

Colorado will go blue again. Even in the last election, we kept the Senate seat and Governorship in Democratic hands.

Yes, but Bill Owens was gubner for his allotted time.

278 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:21:03am

re: #272 Obdicut

1976 was the last time.

Texas may become a swing state if Republicans continue to alienate Hispanics and the elderly but it's going to take time.

279 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:23:15am

re: #275 RogueOne

I think he's going to win re-election right now but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion just yet. It's going to be tougher than some are making it out to be.

Maybe but the field of Republican candidates aren't looking like they're going to put up much of a fight. That could change but I wouldn't be surprised to see a landslide.

280 Nevertires  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:24:42am

re: #260 RogueOne

Nightmare scenario. I'm moving to an Amish community.

281 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:24:53am

Hot Air wingnuts did a poll and they're still stuck on Palin.

282 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:26:03am

re: #280 Nevertires

Nightmare scenario. I'm moving to an Amish community.

You'll have to get a horse powered computer.
/

283 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:26:31am

re: #281 Killgore Trout

Hah. And Huntsman, a rational, serious, accomplished man-- dead last.

Obviously.

284 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:27:38am

re: #279 Killgore Trout

Maybe but the field of Republican candidates aren't looking like they're going to put up much of a fight. That could change but I wouldn't be surprised to see a landslide.

Everything hinges on who the repubs pick. If they pick someone Independents won't feel bad voting for they can win:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Independents backed Obama and other Democrats in 2008, but those who voted last year went decisively for Republicans. Obama’s political advisers are closely monitoring independents and many of his moves in the past few months have been aimed at shoring up their support.

Among independents, 55 percent disapprove of the job he is doing, near record highs. And for the first time, about as many independents have generally unfavorable (49 percent) as mostly favorable (50 percent) impressions of Obama.

285 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:29:46am

re: #284 RogueOne

Everything hinges on who the repubs pick. If they pick someone Independents won't feel bad voting for they can win:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

A northern/ mid west Prez candidate with a strong southern VP pick could go a long way as well.

286 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:32:24am

re: #284 RogueOne

Everything hinges on who the repubs pick. If they pick someone Independents won't feel bad voting for they can win:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

It's something to keep an eye on but Bush won reelection with approval ratings in the mid to low 40's in 2004.

287 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:33:36am

re: #285 Cannadian Club Akbar

Off the top of my head, trying to find a southern candidate without a whole lot of baggage is difficult. Nikki Haley comes to mind but SC is going Repub anyway so it's not that much of a help.

288 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:34:35am

Bush approval rating tracker
It's interesting to see all those ugly bombshells just before the election. Abu Graib, Iraq intell, etc.

289 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:35:35am

re: #287 RogueOne

Off the top of my head, trying to find a southern candidate without a whole lot of baggage is difficult. Nikki Haley comes to mind but SC is going Repub anyway so it's not that much of a help.

True, but Marco Rubio has been very active in the press as of late. And while he says he isn't thinking about a VP pick, I will call bullshit.

290 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:36:20am

re: #288 Killgore Trout

Bush approval rating tracker
It's interesting to see all those ugly bombshells just before the election. Abu Graib, Iraq intell, etc.

Don't forget DUI and cocaine usage from the 2000 election.

291 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:36:55am

re: #286 Killgore Trout

It's something to keep an eye on but Bush won reelection with approval ratings in the mid to low 40's in 2004.

Bush just barely managed to keep the independent vote. If the president doesn't get the majority of that voting block he's not going to win.

292 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:38:20am

re: #287 RogueOne

Haley was born and raised a Sikh. For a Republican, that's an enormous amount of baggage.

293 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:39:04am

re: #291 RogueOne

Bush just barely managed to keep the independent vote. If the president doesn't get the majority of that voting block he's not going to win.

I also wonder about people who before 2008 never voted before will vote again. Rove did a good job with "get out the vote" campaign in 2004.

294 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:39:28am

re: #292 Obdicut

Haley was born and raised a Sikh. For a Republican, that's an enormous amount of baggage.

She was a tea party favorite and her religious background didn't keep her from winning.

295 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:39:38am

re: #292 Obdicut

Haley was born and raised a Sikh. For a Republican, that's an enormous amount of baggage.

I thought she was a Christian convert?

296 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:41:03am

re: #294 RogueOne

She was a tea party favorite and her religious background didn't keep her from winning.

Yeah, the tea party favorite part is also a bunch of heavy baggage to carry, as is Bachmann loving her so much.

297 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:41:41am

re: #295 Cannadian Club Akbar

I thought she was a Christian convert?

Wiki says yes but she attends both religious services out of respect for her parents.

298 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:44:44am

Good morning lizards.

299 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:46:15am

re: #296 Obdicut

She would help any ticket that puts her on but I don't think she would be that much help. SC is already going to go repub so she doesn't help there plus she hasn't been around very long and she has zero national name recognition.

300 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:47:02am

re: #299 RogueOne

Why do you think she would help at all?

301 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:47:14am

re: #298 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards.

How did the family take the news?

302 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:48:46am

re: #300 Obdicut

Why do you think she would help at all?

She is a southern repub gubner. Would help with the southern vote.

303 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:50:45am

re: #301 Cannadian Club Akbar

How did the family take the news?

One of my daughters cried when she found out the dog passed away but they are taking it like big girls. They want another puppy now.

304 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:51:24am

re: #300 Obdicut

Why do you think she would help at all?

Southern, female, attractive (voters are shallow), and her voice doesn't grate on people when she speaks.

305 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:52:04am

re: #303 NJDhockeyfan

One of my daughters cried when she found out the dog passed away but they are taking it like big girls. They want another puppy now.

{NJD}
Sorry to hear about the loss of your . I know it was difficult for your daughters to see that . . . but glad to hear they're moving on. And a puppy is always fun! pet

306 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:53:13am

re: #305 reine.de.tout

{NJD}
Sorry to hear about the loss of your . I know it was difficult for your daughters to see that . . . but glad to hear they're moving on. And a puppy is always fun! pet

Ran that post through a food processor, huh?
//

307 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:53:43am

re: #303 NJDhockeyfan

One of my daughters cried when she found out the dog passed away but they are taking it like big girls. They want another puppy now.

Shelters

Humane Society

Animal Services

Just three good places :)

Poor girls. A puppy will help.

(And P.S. don't let the dog out without a leash).

308 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:53:57am

re: #305 reine.de.tout

{NJD}
Sorry to hear about the loss of your . I know it was difficult for your daughters to see that . . . but glad to hear they're moving on. And a puppy is always fun! pet

Grandam called them last night too so that helped them talk about it. I think they will move on over this pretty quickly.

309 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:54:18am

re: #80 wlewisiii

I've always found it interesting that neither sides claims ever come true with the new CC laws. Crime doesn't magically end and we don't magically have blood baths in the streets. Funny that, isn't it?

A few days old but related:

The Guns of Academe
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]


As a professor, I’d feel safer if guns were not permitted on campus. I worry more about being the target of a student upset about failing grades than about a mass killer roaming the hallways.

But there is little evidence to support my gut feeling. Utah, for example, has not seen an increase in campus gun violence since it changed its law in 2006. And a disturbed student can simply sneak a gun on campus in his backpack, as the Virginia Tech killer did in 2007. Indeed, lost in the debate is the fact that guns, being easy to conceal, are almost certainly on campus already.

310 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:54:36am

re: #304 RogueOne

Why is 'southern' important? I'm not getting that. The states that the GOP has to win aren't in the South.

311 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:56:46am

re: #310 Obdicut

Why is 'southern' important? I'm not getting that. The states that the GOP has to win aren't in the South.

Florida and Texas are big wins. IIRC, Obama took Florida in '08.

312 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:57:01am

re: #310 Obdicut

Why is 'southern' important? I'm not getting that. The states that the GOP has to win aren't in the South.

I don't think a southern presidential candidate is going to win independents. Barbour and Huckabee are non-starters in my book. Jindal might have an outside shot but other than that I'm not seeing anyone talking about jumping in (from the south) that has a chance.

313 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:59:10am

re: #306 Cannadian Club Akbar

Ran that post through a food processor, huh?
//

oops.
hehehe.

314 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:00:06am

re: #311 Cannadian Club Akbar

Florida and Texas are big wins. IIRC, Obama took Florida in '08.

California, too. We're the big 3.

Image: 800px-Electoral_map_svg.png

Btw, someone downdinged me for mentioning the electoral college. Is that a bad thing? I know it's controversial but without it, only the high population states would decide elections.

315 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:01:38am

re: #314 marjoriemoon

California, too. We're the big 3.

Image: 800px-Electoral_map_svg.png

Btw, someone downdinged me for mentioning the electoral college. Is that a bad thing? I know it's controversial but without it, only the high population states would decide elections.

Eggzactly. People who piss and moan about the EC need to get a grip.

316 iossarian  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:01:54am

re: #309 RogueOne

A few days old but related:

The Guns of Academe
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

I would be more worried about some have-a-go hero pulling a gun out to prevent some less-dangerous campus crime and then shooting the wrong people.

317 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:02:19am

re: #314 marjoriemoon

Also, Florida now has 29 electoral votes.

318 laZardo  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:02:28am

re: #309 RogueOne

School shootings happen lots of times in "ghetto" schools. The only reason the shooters that get on the news happen to be from middle-class-America are because they actually take the effort to make sure their shots hit someone.

/Paul Rodriguez joke

319 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:03:51am

re: #317 Cannadian Club Akbar

Also, Florida now has 29 electoral votes.

Ah ok. The one thing though I don't get. It's always said that if you don't win Florida, you lose the election. Not sure how that works when TX and CA have more electoral votes.

320 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:04:48am

re: #319 marjoriemoon

Ah ok. The one thing though I don't get. It's always said that if you don't win Florida, you lose the election. Not sure how that works when TX and CA have more electoral votes.

Sometimes. A Florida win in 2000 made the decision. In 2004 it was Ohio.

321 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:05:07am

re: #319 marjoriemoon

Ah ok. The one thing though I don't get. It's always said that if you don't win Florida, you lose the election. Not sure how that works when TX and CA have more electoral votes.

Because TX is going to go repub no matter who runs and the opposite is true of CA. FL has been close to 50/50 for awhile now.

322 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:06:22am

re: #311 Cannadian Club Akbar

Florida and Texas are big wins. IIRC, Obama took Florida in '08.

Yep. Along with a bunch of other states, mostly in the North or West, that the GOP has to win. I don't get how a relatively unknown young Southern female governor who was raised as a Sikh, is highly socially conservative, and buddies with Bachmann helps the GOP win votes pretty much anywhere. She seems to carry as much baggage as promise.

If the GOP's plan is to not lose the South, they can probably achieve that, but that's not a winning strategy.

323 brennant  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:06:49am

re: #260 RogueOne

I'm glad I don't have kids. I don't envy people with daughters these days

Great article. With my first child on the way... I have another reason to be scared shitless.

*_*

324 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:07:44am

re: #322 Obdicut

Yep. Along with a bunch of other states, mostly in the North or West, that the GOP has to win. I don't get how a relatively unknown young Southern female governor who was raised as a Sikh, is highly socially conservative, and buddies with Bachmann helps the GOP win votes pretty much anywhere. She seems to carry as much baggage as promise.

If the GOP's plan is to not lose the South, they can probably achieve that, but that's not a winning strategy.

Which is why I said Marco Rubio. Son of Cuban immigrants. Better choice for winning.

325 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:07:57am

re: #316 iossarian

I would be more worried about some have-a-go hero pulling a gun out to prevent some less-dangerous campus crime and then shooting the wrong people.

That's a fair concern but I'm almost always going to have a problem when we mandate that citizens voluntarily give up their constitutional rights because of the setting. Where to draw the line is a tough call.

326 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:08:06am

re: #320 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sometimes. A Florida win in 2000 made the decision. In 2004 it was Ohio.

Um... 2000 is not an election than anyone can hold up as normal. Even those who know my thoughts on the subject and disagree can surely agree to that statement.

327 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:08:41am

Look. Take this map:

[Link: www.270towin.com...]

Switch Colorado, New Mexico, Florida, Indiana, South Carolina, Iowa, Nebraska, and Virginia over to the GOP.

They still lose.

328 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:08:43am

re: #321 RogueOne

Because TX is going to go repub no matter who runs and the opposite is true of CA. FL has been close to 50/50 for awhile now.

Ok I like that answer better! heh

329 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:08:44am

re: #323 brennant

Great article. With my first child on the way... I have another reason to be scared shitless.

*_*

for gods sakes don't let her post pictures of herself in her underwear online. I feel bad for that girl but what kind of parents think that's going to end well?

330 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:09:07am

re: #326 marjoriemoon

While your statement is true, it was the deciding factor.

331 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:11:58am

re: #330 Cannadian Club Akbar

While your statement is true, it was the deciding factor.

The deciding factor was upheld by the supreme court, not the people of Florida, or the U.S. for that matter.

I love ya man, but can we not go there please?

332 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:13:27am

re: #331 marjoriemoon

Believe me, I don't want to bother with something from 11 years ago. Now let me tell you about my whore GF from 1992!!!
///

333 brennant  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:13:31am

re: #329 RogueOne

for gods sakes don't let her post pictures of herself in her underwear online. I feel bad for that girl but what kind of parents think that's going to end well?

Absolutely. That is the one thing I kept repeating in my head while reading. Why on earth did these parents continue to let her do that?

Letting her do what she wanted online cost them their house, the father's better paying job, untold psychiatric damage to their daughter and who knows what financial contribution grandma now has to deal with.

Amazing.

334 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:14:04am

Porn company is amassing 1-800 numbers

NEW YORK – For years, teenagers across the U.S. could call a toll-free hotline if they had embarrassing questions about AIDS and safe sex. Dial the same number now and you get a recording of giggling women offering to talk dirty to you.

"We both have big appetites for sex," they purr. "Pinch us and poke us. Spank us and tease us. We love it all. ... Enter your credit card number now."

Those naughty misdials, and countless others like them, appear to be no accident.

Records obtained by The Associated Press show that over the past 13 years, a little-known Philadelphia company called PrimeTel Communications has quietly gained control over nearly a quarter of all the 1-800 numbers in the U.S. and Canada, often by grabbing them the moment they are relinquished by previous users. As of March, it administered more 800 numbers than any other company, including Verizon and AT&T.

And many, if not most, of those 1.7 million numbers appear to be used for one thing: redirecting callers to a phone-sex service.

Dial 1-800-Chicago and instead of reaching a tourism hotline for the Windy City, you will hear a woman offering "one-on-one talk with a nasty girl" for $2.99 per minute. A similar thing happens if you punch in the initial digits of 1-800-Metallica, 1-800-Cadillac, 1-800-Minolta, 1-800-Cameras, 1-800-Worship or 1-800-Whirlpool.

All those numbers contain messages redirecting callers to erotic chat lines operated by National A-1 Advertising, a company that shares an office building with PrimeTel, has common ownership and lists many of the same people as executives or business contacts.

335 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:14:45am

re: #332 Cannadian Club Akbar

Believe me, I don't want to bother with something from 11 years ago. Now let me tell you about my whore GF from 1992!!!
///

Different things make us really pissed off, don't they :>

336 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:15:04am

k. Works done, going to pick up my game and waste the rest of the day trying to figure out fatality moves. Enjoy the day folks.

337 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:20:23am

re: #334 NJDhockeyfan

And my parents thought they had problems.

OTOH, phone sex is the safest sex there is!

338 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:30:31am

So you guys saw this is the third strike against Davenport and the OC Racists? Oh, that's her new band btw. She's the headliner at the new Stormfront Summer Ball.

(j/k - or maybe not)

339 laZardo  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:32:05am

re: #338 marjoriemoon

So you guys saw this is the third strike against Davenport and the OC Racists? Oh, that's her new band btw. She's the headliner at the new Stormfront Summer Ball.

(j/k - or maybe not)

And speaking of which, it's almost 4/20 here. Time to dig in for my favorite Downfall subtitles. :D

340 BishopX  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:34:03am

re: #315 Cannadian Club Akbar

Eggzactly. People who piss and moan about the EC need to get a grip.

Some of us really don't like how the EC screws around with the numbers. For example a voter in the 2nd congressional district of Louisiana (pop 493,352) has roughly twice as much power as a voter in the 3rd congressional district in Nevada (pop 1,043,855). The root cause of this is the fact that the number of congressional seats is frozen (to preserve the influence of the smaller states in the senate), if the house of representatives were expanded to 1,000 members a lot of the problems with the EC would disappear.

341 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:34:18am

re: #339 laZardo

And speaking of which, it's almost 4/20 here. Time to dig in for my favorite Downfall subtitles. :D

I have no idea what you're talking about :p

342 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:36:23am

re: #340 BishopX

Some of us really don't like how the EC screws around with the numbers. For example a voter in the 2nd congressional district of Louisiana (pop 493,352) has roughly twice as much power as a voter in the 3rd congressional district in Nevada (pop 1,043,855). The root cause of this is the fact that the number of congressional seats is frozen (to preserve the influence of the smaller states in the senate), if the house of representatives were expanded to 1,000 members a lot of the problems with the EC would disappear.

But then we would have 465 more politicians to fuck things up.

343 BishopX  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:41:11am

re: #342 Cannadian Club Akbar

Frankly I think the way the US is set up electorally has a lot to do with how politicians fuck up....when your trying to convince 500,000 people to vote for you every two years you need to run on showbiz tactics because that's the only thing that's going to get you attention. If you make congressional elections smaller it should become easier for people to have some idea of who the candidates are.

344 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:42:38am

re: #343 BishopX

Those who support states rights because they feel politicians are more responsive on the local level are oddly disinclined to support the expansion of the House, mainly because one of the practical effects of it would be to shift power away from the rural conservative voters, who right now are highly privileged in the current system.

345 laZardo  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:42:44am

re: #341 marjoriemoon

I have no idea what you're talking about :p

Now you do. q:

346 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:43:44am

Iran: Dog Ownership to Be Outlawed Under Lawmakers' Plan

For much of the past decade, the Iranian government has tolerated what it considers a particularly depraved and un-Islamic vice: the keeping of pet dogs.

During periodic crackdowns, police have confiscated dogs from their owners right off the street; and state media has lectured Iranians on the diseases spread by canines. The cleric Gholamreza Hassani, from the city of Urmia, has been satirized for his sermons railing against "short-legged" and "holdable" dogs. But as with the policing of many other practices (like imbibing alcoholic drinks) that are deemed impure by the mullahs but perfectly fine to many Iranians, the state has eventually relaxed and let dog lovers be.

Those days of tacit acceptance may soon be over, however. Lawmakers in Tehran have recently proposed a bill in parliament that would criminalize dog ownership, formally enshrining its punishment within the country's Islamic penal code. The bill warns that that in addition to posing public health hazards, the popularity of dog ownership "also poses a cultural problem, a blind imitation of the vulgar culture of the West." The proposed legislation for the first time outlines specific punishments for "the walking and keeping" of "impure and dangerous animals," a definition that could feasibly include cats but for the time being seems targeted at dogs. The law would see the offending animal confiscated, the leveling of a $100-to-$500 fine on the owner, but leaves the fate of confiscated dogs uncertain. "Considering the several thousand dogs [that are kept] in Tehran alone, the problem arises as to what is going to happen to these animals," Hooman Malekpour, a veterinarian in Tehran, said to the BBC's Persian service. If passed, the law would ultimately energize police and volunteer militias to enforce the ban systematically.

347 iossarian  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:44:00am

re: #325 RogueOne

That's a fair concern but I'm almost always going to have a problem when we mandate that citizens voluntarily give up their constitutional rights because of the setting. Where to draw the line is a tough call.

I agree it's a tough call. I also think, however, that the US could be much more imaginative in thinking about the 2nd amendment and what it actually calls for. At the moment the debate is pretty much guns vs. no guns; it would be interesting to see it taken in other directions (e.g., Switzerland and its standing citizen army).

348 laZardo  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:45:11am

re: #346 NJDhockeyfan

There are no gays clowns dogs in Iran.

349 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:53:15am

Duke Lacrosse Accuser Crystal Mangum Charged With First-Degree Murder

The Duke lacrosse case was an ugly thing. Ugly accusations that were eventually found false, ugly conduct by prosecutor Mike Nifong that led to his being disbarred…the only good thing about it was that it ended. Unfortunately, though, now it’s all coming up again…and this time, the reason is even uglier. Recently, the Duke lacrosse accuser, Crystal Mangum, was recently accused herself, of stabbing her boyfriend. Her boyfriend later died, and now Mangum is charged with murder.

This represents the latest, and saddest, in a long line of troubles involving Mangum. From the AP:

Last year, [Mangum] was convicted on misdemeanor charges after setting a fire that nearly torched her home with her three children inside. In a videotaped police interrogation, she told officers she set got into a confrontation with her boyfriend at the time — not [stabbing victim Reginald] Daye — and burned his clothes, smashed his car windshield and threatened to stab him.

Totally ugly story. Ugh.

350 BishopX  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:55:35am

re: #344 Obdicut

Yes, and no one mentions that the US has the highest population per representative in any democratic country in the world...

351 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 8:55:36am

re: #349 NJDhockeyfan

Hopefully she will get the needle.

352 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 9:09:59am

A 100 MPH fastball plus being left handed = about 10 million a year eventually.
[Link: www.canada.com...]

353 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 9:10:55am

Alrighty. Gonna run. See ya'll tomorrow.

354 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 9:13:42am

Passover has a clever arrangement of duties... the lady of the house spends a good part of the dinner getting items to and from the table, grabbing something for a guest, and taking care of general keeping busy chores.

And the man, as the host, gets to guide the whole evening, like some "king" of his castle.

I tried to get up a number of times and pitch in, to now avail. The my girlfriend and the other ladies were only too happy to putter around as helpful hostess'

They said I could help in the morning if there was anything left.

I just spent two hours with the "anything left."

Clever these lady folk.

355 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 9:34:35am

That was quick. I got the game now I just have to wait for the sis-n-laws movie to end so I can play.

356 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 9:38:21am

re: #352 Cannadian Club Akbar

A 100 MPH fastball plus being left handed = about 10 million a year eventually.
[Link: www.canada.com...]

FTA:


Not only did the Cincinnati Reds' left-hander make history at 105 mph while striking out Gwynn, he broke the century mark on each of his 25 pitches.

That's impressive. I can't imagine trying to hit a 105 mph pitch.

357 Slap  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 9:42:54am

re: #356 RogueOne

FTA:

That's impressive. I can't imagine trying to hit a 105 mph pitch.

Hell, last time I went to a batting cage, the stuff at 60 mph looked fast. I can't even comprehend what a 105 mph fastball looks like from the plate; I suspect I'd be like John Kruk in that long-ago All-Start at-bat against Randy Johnson -- semi-wave the bat and run....

358 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 9:46:19am

And the man, as the host, gets to guide the whole evening, like some "king" of his castle
All Hail King Walter!!!


They said I could help in the morning if there was anything left.

I just spent two hours with the "anything left."

Clever these lady folk.

Ooppsss.. Long Live The Queen!

359 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 9:48:38am

‘WEAR SCARF OR WE KILL YOU’, MUSLIMS TOLD WOMAN

ISLAMIC extremists bent on imposing Sharia law have threatened women and told them to cover up their heads, it has been claimed.

One woman was told she faced death if she failed to don the hijab, or headscarf, in east London’s Tower Hamlets.

Signs warning the area is a “gay-free zone” have also been seen while posters at bus shelters featuring models and a Bollywood film have been defaced with black paint. Incidents involving posters have also happened in Birmingham.

An Asian Whitechapel shopkeeper, who is not a practising Muslim and who dresses in western clothes, said she was told to cover up last month or face a boycott of her pharmacy. When she went to the press a man came to the shop, she said, telling her, “If you keep doing these things we will kill you”. She spoke to police last week.

The news comes after Iraqi Mohamed Al Hakim, 30, was spared jail for threatening to kill his cousin if she didn’t cover her head. He claimed Alya Al Safar, 21, had branded her family as “bitches and whores”. But firebrand Muslim cleric Anjem Choudary insisted the Muslims were only giving “advice”.
He said: “It’s ridiculous. I think the idea of threats being made has been fabricated.”

Paul Rickett, Borough Commander of Tower Hamlets, said the issue was being investigated and anyone making threats would be prosecuted.

"This is some fucked-up repugnant shit."
~ Jules Winnfield

360 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 9:49:47am

Police: 5-Year-Old Takes Gun To School
HPD: Gun Taken To Ross Elementary

[Link: www.click2houston.com...]

361 shropshire_slasher  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 9:51:15am

re: #359 NJDhockeyfan
I'm really sorry to hear about your dog. I got a chocolate and a brindle color plott hound, I feel your pain bro.

362 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 9:52:10am

re: #361 shropshire_slasher

I'm really sorry to hear about your dog. I got a chocolate and a brindle color plott hound, I feel your pain bro.

Thank you. Yesterday was a tough day for all of us. Today is better.

363 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 9:52:39am

re: #359 NJDhockeyfan

re: #361 shropshire_slasher

I'm really sorry to hear about your dog. I got a chocolate and a brindle color plott hound, I feel your pain bro.

Ditto btw

364 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 9:53:30am

re: #360 Stanley Sea

Police: 5-Year-Old Takes Gun To School
HPD: Gun Taken To Ross Elementary

[Link: www.click2houston.com...]

Good lord. Were shots fired? It says they took 3 teachers out on stretchers but not much info in the story.

365 shropshire_slasher  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 9:54:35am

re: #363 sattv4u2

What are u doin with my dogs?!
/

366 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 9:55:00am

re: #364 RogueOne

Good lord. Were shots fired? It says they took 3 teachers out on stretchers but not much info in the story.



and took at least three children out on stretchers.

367 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 9:55:05am

re: #364 RogueOne

Good lord. Were shots fired? It says they took 3 teachers children out on stretchers but not much info in the story.

368 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 9:55:37am

re: #365 shropshire_slasher

What are u doin with my dogs?!
/

Well,, last I saw, they were outside frolicking with mine!

369 Gus  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 9:55:44am

re: #360 Stanley Sea

Police: 5-Year-Old Takes Gun To School
HPD: Gun Taken To Ross Elementary

[Link: www.click2houston.com...]

Yeah. But we still don't have a gun problem in America.

//

370 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 9:56:59am

re: #369 Gus 802

Seems it might be more of a parent problem.

371 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 9:58:18am

re: #370 RogueOne

Seems it might be more of a parent problem.

It looks like that to me.

372 Gus  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 9:58:34am

re: #370 RogueOne

Seems it might be more of a parent problem.

Well, it doesn't have to be the gun itself. Sure parents. Then you have society and the fictional gun culture we've created packaged in the form entertainment. Then you have the war culture and militarism.

373 Gus  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 9:59:33am

re: #370 RogueOne

Seems it might be more of a parent problem.

Here ya' go. Though you might like this...

Police Search Cell Phones During Traffic Stops

Oink, oink.

374 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:00:06am

re: #370 RogueOne
Two months ago we had a twelve year old shoot and kill his buddy with his dad's pistol, which is another reason why I won't own a pistol with chillin in da house.

375 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:00:50am

re: #373 Gus 802

I posted that in yesterdays morning thread. Beat him by hours, I'm expecting royalties.

376 Slap  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:00:55am

re: #357 Slap

Hell, last time I went to a batting cage, the stuff at 60 mph looked fast. I can't even comprehend what a 105 mph fastball looks like from the plate; I suspect I'd be like John Kruk in that long-ago All-Start at-bat against Randy Johnson -- semi-wave the bat and run...

For anyone who did not see it when it happened, it's pretty legendary:

Youtube Video
377 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:01:25am

re: #372 Gus 802

Well, it doesn't have to be the gun itself. Sure parents. Then you have society and the fictional gun culture we've created packaged in the form entertainment. Then you have the war culture and militarism.

You forgot to put video games in there//

378 Gus  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:02:19am

re: #377 RogueOne

You forgot to put video games in there//

And Marilyn Manson.

379 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:02:44am

re: #374 Shropshire_Slasher

Two months ago we had a twelve year old shoot and kill his buddy with his dad's pistol, which is another reason why I won't own a pistol with chillin in da house.

If thats whats stopping you, how 'bout owning a gun safe with shillin in da house

This is (like) the one I have

[Link: www.sportsmansteelsafes.com...]

380 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:03:07am

re: #378 Gus 802

WHO??
Old school

381 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:03:18am

re: #374 Shropshire_Slasher

Two months ago we had a twelve year old shoot and kill his buddy with his dad's pistol, which is another reason why I won't own a pistol with chillin in da house.

You have to be smart and keep your stuff locked up. I have one teen in the house (just turned 18) and she has no idea where it's kept or the combination. Sometimes I'm gone for a month at a time and it makes my wife feel better with 2 dogs and a gun.

382 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:03:32am

re: #378 Gus 802

And Marilyn Manson.

Hell,, John Wayne!

383 Gus  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:03:50am

Hmm. They're saying the gun fell out.

384 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:04:18am

re: #381 RogueOne

You have to be smart and keep your stuff locked up. I have one teen in the house (just turned 18) and she has no idea where it's kept or the combination. Sometimes I'm gone for a month at a time and it makes my wife feel better with 2 dogs and a gun.

Ditto,, cept my one teen is a 16 year old he!

385 Gus  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:04:27am

Well, if that's correct, at least it wasn't a deliberate shooting.

386 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:05:09am

re: #385 Gus 802

Well, if that's correct, at least it wasn't a deliberate shooting.

But deliberate stupidity on the part of the parent(s)

387 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:05:35am

re: #383 Gus 802

Hmm. They're saying the gun fell out.

In Indy it's legal to CC in bars. Years ago (during a final four tourney) some asshats gun fell out of his pocket and went off shooting a woman in the leg. Not only is that not a good way to pick up chicks it should be reason enough for him to lose his license.

388 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:05:39am

BreakingNews Breaking News

Houston school update: Kid took gun to school. It fell out and discharged; 3 kids treated for non-life-threatening injuries-

389 Gus  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:06:12am

re: #386 sattv4u2

But deliberate stupidity on the part of the parent(s)

Hey. Maybe the kid bought it on the black market with his allowance. /

Still, like I said, better that it was an accident.

390 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:06:57am

re: #384 sattv4u2

I remember being 8, my sons age, he is too smart for me, probably have the gunlock figured out before me!too much responsibility for my peace of mind.

392 Gus  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:08:14am

Probably could have happened at the turn of the century too. Some kid bringing in his dad's gun to show it off to his friends.

393 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:09:26am

re: #390 Shropshire_Slasher

I remember being 8, my sons age, he is too smart for me, probably have the gunlock figured out before me!too much responsibility for my peace of mind.

Well,, as stated, I've had a pistol(s) since before my son was orn and always kept them in a safe even back then
Once he was born and toddling around, I always (and still do) make sure it's in a place he doesn't know about, and the combination is nothing he can figure out (not our "usual" password stuff, etc) and I change it every couple of months

394 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:09:54am

re: #376 Slap

Nice seeing Sparky Anderson in the dugout. What a great coach.

395 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:10:22am

re: #391 Varek Raith

World Gov'ts Pledge $785M To Seal Chernobyl Under New 'Arch'

Like McDonald's??
Or the one in Saint Louise!?!?!?

396 Gus  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:12:18am

OK, Democrats, pay attention here:

Poll: Obama's Approval Rating Dives As Economic Pessimism Hits Two Year High

397 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:12:35am

re: #395 sattv4u2

Like McDonald's??
Or the one in Saint Louise!?!?!?

Steel. Lot's of it.

When completed, the arch will weigh 20,000 tons and measure 623 feet wide by more than 300 feet tall.
398 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:13:35am

re: #390 Shropshire_Slasher

I remember being 8, my sons age, he is too smart for me, probably have the gunlock figured out before me!too much responsibility for my peace of mind.

My spouse is very comfortable around guns. She tries to plan her trips home to coincide with pheasant season. Her sister has never fired a gun. If I liked her a little more I'd take her to a range. I don't hunt or fish(that's what grocery stores are for) but I love target shooting with my buddies.

399 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:14:59am

re: #396 Gus 802

OK, Democrats, pay attention here:

Poll: Obama's Approval Rating Dives As Economic Pessimism Hits Two Year High

Republicans should pay attention also

Put aside the birther nonsense, can the socon rhetoric and concentrate on what most people really care about

Their own pocketbooks and financial future

400 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:15:30am

re: #398 RogueOne

My spouse is very comfortable around guns. She tries to plan her trips home to coincide with pheasant season. Her sister has never fired a gun. If I liked her a little more I'd take her to a range. I don't hunt or fish(that's what grocery stores are for) but I love target shooting with my buddies.

I hate guns.
I love swords.
Swords > Guns.
:P

401 Gus  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:15:54am

re: #399 sattv4u2

Republicans should pay attention also

Put aside the birther nonsense, can the socon rhetoric and concentrate on what most people really care about

Their own pocketbooks and financial future

"It's the economy stupid."

402 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:16:17am

re: #392 Gus 802

Probably could have happened at the turn of the century dawn of civilization too. Some kid bringing in his dad's gun rock and club to show it off to his friends.

ftfy

403 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:16:38am

re: #400 Varek Raith

I hate guns.
I love swords.
Swords > Guns.
:P

You probably miss real horses in cavalry units too.

404 blueraven  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:16:59am

re: #401 Gus 802

"It's the economy stupid."

Gas prices aren't helping any. The good news is he still out polls all of the republican candidates.

405 Gus  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:17:12am

re: #400 Varek Raith

I hate guns.
I love swords.
Swords > Guns.
:P

I prefer switch blades myself.

//

406 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:17:37am

re: #403 RogueOne

You probably miss real horses in cavalry units too.

Nah. I can ride a tank while wielding a sword.
Image: drive-me-closer.jpg

407 Gus  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:18:50am

re: #404 blueraven

Gas prices aren't helping any. The good news is he still out polls all of the republican candidates.

Still too early to predict on presidential polling. Right now the independents are going all over the place on GOP candidates. As the field narrows those independents will concentrate on fewer candidates thus lifting their polling numbers.

408 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:19:43am

re: #407 Gus 802

Still too early to predict on presidential polling. Right now the independents are going all over the place on GOP candidates. As the field narrows those independents will concentrate on fewer candidates thus lifting their polling numbers.

Zaccly

409 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:21:37am

re: #406 Varek Raith

Nah. I can ride a tank while wielding a sword.
Image: drive-me-closer.jpg

When I saw the jpg name I thought it was this:
Image: pull-closer-demotivational-poster-1257813875.jpg

410 Slap  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:22:47am

re: #394 RogueOne

100% concur -- part of a breed long gone.

411 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:22:58am

MSNBC is reporting the houston gun story. No more info than we already knew.

412 sattv4u2  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:23:10am

re: #406 Varek Raith

re: #409 RogueOne

When I saw the jpg name I thought it was this:
Image: pull-closer-demotivational-poster-1257813875.jpg

I thought it was this
[Link: underbelly-buce.blogspot.com...]

whataman!!

413 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:23:53am

re: #411 RogueOne

MSNBC is reporting the houston gun story. No more info than we already knew.

Put blades on the wheel and ok.

414 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:24:10am

re: #413 Varek Raith

Put blades on the wheel and ok.

Wrong quote of yours.
Sheesh, Varek.

415 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:27:05am

re: #412 sattv4u2

re: #409 RogueOne

I thought it was this
[Link: underbelly-buce.blogspot.com...]

whataman!!

Image: _43036823_thatcher_ap416.jpg

416 SidewaysQuark  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 2:30:51pm

Ah, Bobby Jindal, the genius who, when given his big moment to rebut the President's State of the Union Address and become the next GOP "Shining Star", rambled on about 'earthquake detection research' being a waste of government spending, failing to see the potential economic and humanitarian benefits of adequate natural disaster preparation, while governing the state still recovering from Hurricane Katrina. Genius, I tell you.

417 SidewaysQuark  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 2:37:39pm

re: #28 APox


Yeah, fuck that guy. Maybe I'll make a piece of 'art' where I cut Jesus up into different pieces to represent the awful way churches are segregated. Yeah. Sounds edgy and non-offensive.

I'm quite thankful that churches are segregated by such fine splits in ideology; it's the main factor that gives secularism a fighting chance.

418 SidewaysQuark  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 2:57:24pm

re: #314 marjoriemoon


Btw, someone downdinged me for mentioning the electoral college. Is that a bad thing? I know it's controversial but without it, only the high population states would decide elections.

Allow me to play devil's advocate for a moment:

You mean, without the electoral college, individuals in low-population states would have to suffer the heavy burden of their votes being given the exact same weight as the votes of individuals in high-population states?

You mean *gasp* a Wyoming voter would have to give up his/her well-deserved right to have his/her vote count more than 4 times the value of a Californian's vote?


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