'Big Government' Goes Full On Birther

‘Big Government’ Goes Full On Birther

Racist meme finds another home in Breitbart’s website

WingnutsApril 2011 • Views: 25,023

Yesterday, Andrew Breitbart signed on to the world’s dumbest conspiracy theory, that Barack Obama’s autobiography was secretly written by Bill Ayers.

Today, Breitbart’s site “Big Government” is running this pile of Birther garbage: What if the Birthers Are Right? - Big Journalism.

The meltdown of the right wing blogosphere into a stinky puddle of freakish racist goo is proceeding apace.

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62 comments

Uncle Obdicut Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:44:32am

Good thing that birtherism is contained and not spreading.

EastSider Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:46:42am

I look forward to the next three installments of the series:

What if the “moon will crash into earthers” are right?
What if the “eating oranges causes your arms to fall off-ers” are right?
What if the “honda civics are the direct cause of the JFK assassinationers” are right?

HappyWarrior Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:47:47am

No, they’re not crazy or paranoid at all. No, sir.

Shiplord Kirel Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:49:27am

What if the “piss into the wind” advocates are right?

Logic has certain laws and all the political cunning from Hammurabi to Karl Rove will not get them repealed.

EastSider Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:50:29am

Can I ask a serious question:

I’d like to read a serious, adult, grown-up right wing blog. That’s actually why I came here a few years back. While LGF has stayed in the same place, ideologically, the right has moved way more “right” (though that’s not the correct term, they’ve actually mainly gone crazy).

But now, I’d like to read serious people discussing things from a conservative (in the non-bastardized sense of the word) point of view.

Recommendations?

Lidane Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:56:47am

Dear GOP —

Please nominate a full-on birther in 2012. It will make our jobs that much easier. We’ll even send you a few fruit baskets and some champagne when it’s done, since we’ll have plenty to go around.

Thanks! See you at the polls.

Sincerely,

Obama/Biden 2012 Campaign

Uncle Obdicut Thu, Apr 21, 2011 10:57:29am

re: #5 EastSider

I don’t know of any sane conservative blog other than the conservative posters who post here.

There’s not a lot of meat to most modern conservatism. There’s the glibertarians, the followers of the Austrian school, the socons. There’s very few conservatives of a practical stripe at all.

Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:00:01am

It will be glorious to see Breitbart go down for his many slanders and malicious lies.

Serrod is going to destroy him and each bit of nonsense he posts only makes the case against him more firm. It shows a pattern of pathological malicious lying to any sane person. He’s is both too stupid and too arrogant to see it.

blueraven Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:02:38am

Breitbart is just asking questions y’all!

Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:02:42am

Like I mentioned in the previous thread they’ve signed onto Jerome Corsi by way of his latest book release. The key here is that it was splashed as a top headline at the Drudge Report.

Once Drudge gives any meme or conspiracy a green light the majority of right wingers fall in line. Much like how Drudge gave a green light to Alex Jones which was followed bt Napolitano’s coverage of Alex Jones and Glenn Beck’s emulation of Alex Jones’s lunacy.

We haven’t seen the end of birtherism. Not by any means. It is in fact becoming more popular to the right and won’t reach a climax until after the presidential election in 2012. The right wing and the GOP are very desperate and will latch onto anything that they see as a mean towards attaining victory.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:04:21am

re: #1 Obdicut

Good thing that birtherism is contained and not spreading.

/

Poor Frum.

Mattand Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:05:29am

re: #5 EastSider

Can I ask a serious question:

I’d like to read a serious, adult, grown-up right wing blog. That’s actually why I came here a few years back. While LGF has stayed in the same place, ideologically, the right has moved way more “right” (though that’s not the correct term, they’ve actually mainly gone crazy).

But now, I’d like to read serious people discussing things from a conservative (in the non-bastardized sense of the word) point of view.

Recommendations?

I’m actually wondering that myself. About a year ago, I thought I should start reading more conservative/rightwing blogs and I had heard about LGF. The funny thing is that most of the articles were critical of the current conservative establishment.

I guess this question is for Charles mostly, but is LGF still considered conservative? I hope I’m not coming off as trying to “entrap” anyone, but given how the conservative landscape has shifted so far right, I’m actually not sure.

blueraven Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:05:50am

re: #5 EastSider

Can I ask a serious question:

I’d like to read a serious, adult, grown-up right wing blog. That’s actually why I came here a few years back. While LGF has stayed in the same place, ideologically, the right has moved way more “right” (though that’s not the correct term, they’ve actually mainly gone crazy).

But now, I’d like to read serious people discussing things from a conservative (in the non-bastardized sense of the word) point of view.

Recommendations?

For financial matters: tax policy, budget etc… I recommend

capitalgainsandgames.com

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:05:51am

re: #5 EastSider

Can I ask a serious question:

I’d like to read a serious, adult, grown-up right wing blog. That’s actually why I came here a few years back. While LGF has stayed in the same place, ideologically, the right has moved way more “right” (though that’s not the correct term, they’ve actually mainly gone crazy).

But now, I’d like to read serious people discussing things from a conservative (in the non-bastardized sense of the word) point of view.

Recommendations?

Are you more interested in the postings, or the discussions, or both?

EastSider Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:07:19am

re: #14 SanFranciscoZionist

Are you more interested in the postings, or the discussions, or both?

Both. For reference: I enjoy the economist’s point of view and discourse, and I enjoy the discussions here.

Tigger2005 Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:07:53am

The meltdown of the right wing blogosphere into a stinky puddle of freakish racist goo is proceeding apace.

Today’s right wing blogosphere in visual form.

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Uncle Obdicut Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:08:14am

re: #13 blueraven

I’d forgotten about that place. It is good.

Jack Burton Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:09:55am

This bullshit was amusing at first but it became tiresome like 2 years ago. Now it’s just like nails on a chalkboard.

To any birthers/nirthers/closet racists who might read this:

1. Barack Obama has already shown adequate eligibility paperwork. He is a natural born US citizen. Born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961. There is no “long form” given out by Hawaii to anyone.

2. If you believe his BC is fake, then the burden of proof lays on you to prove it. So far no one has come remotely close to any actual ‘evidence’ of this. Not even Jerome Corsi… in fact when he gets involved in something it should be a big red flag that it’s bullshit.

3. Even if Obama was born in Kenya, despite the mountain of hard evidence to the contrary, he would still be a natural born US Citizen because his mother was a US citizen when he was born. He could have been born on the Moon and it wouldn’t matter.

4. Despite all of the above, if you still think there is something to this BC issue, take a good look at yourself. All everyone else sees is a crazy hyper-partisan, or a racist who just cant handle a black man in the white house.

Shiplord Kirel Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:10:34am

re: #5 EastSider

Can I ask a serious question:

I’d like to read a serious, adult, grown-up right wing blog. That’s actually why I came here a few years back. While LGF has stayed in the same place, ideologically, the right has moved way more “right” (though that’s not the correct term, they’ve actually mainly gone crazy).

But now, I’d like to read serious people discussing things from a conservative (in the non-bastardized sense of the word) point of view.

Recommendations?

You’ll see a lot of that right here, as it has always been: opposition to and suspicion of government growth, support for national security, historical realism, Enlightenment-era values, support for free enterprise. It is the crazies and cranks who have left us behind. Unfortunately, they have hijacked both the language and the institutional machinery of conservatism in the process.
I discussed my own experience with this in greater depth last August.

Mattand Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:13:13am

re: #19 Shiplord Kirel

You’ll see a lot of that right here, as it has always been: opposition to and suspicion of government growth, support for national security, historical realism, Enlightenment-era values, support for free enterprise. It is the crazies and cranks who have left us behind. Unfortunately, they have hijacked both the language and the institutional machinery of conservatism in the process.
I discussed my own experience with this in greater depth last August.

That was an interesting post. Thanks for sharing it.

Targetpractice Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:13:16am

re: #12 mattand

I’m actually wondering that myself. About a year ago, I thought I should start reading more conservative/rightwing blogs and I had heard about LGF. The funny thing is that most of the articles were critical of the current conservative establishment.

I guess this question is for Charles mostly, but is LGF still considered conservative? I hope I’m not coming off as trying to “entrap” anyone, but given how the conservative landscape has shifted so far right, I’m actually not sure.

LGF is no more “liberal” now, when the Right has gone off the edge, than it was “conservative” back in the day when the Left was doing the same. This site is anti-idiotarian, period. We do not suffer fools gladly, nor do we have much patience for those whose only reason for being here is to stir up shit to see what reaction they can get. Those old-timers who’ve left, either by their own choice or with a boot up their ass, simply couldn’t handle that being against Islamic terrorism was different than being pro-Republican to a fault.

ausador Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:14:35am

Sigh…R.I.P. G.O.P. /

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:15:18am

re: #15 EastSider

Both. For reference: I enjoy the economist’s point of view and discourse, and I enjoy the discussions here.

I’m not sure what to recommend. I do actually like Frum’s blog, and I think he has smart people there a lot of the time. Can any of the actual conservatives here help out?

zora Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:15:56am

re: #5 EastSider

Can I ask a serious question:

I’d like to read a serious, adult, grown-up right wing blog. That’s actually why I came here a few years back. While LGF has stayed in the same place, ideologically, the right has moved way more “right” (though that’s not the correct term, they’ve actually mainly gone crazy).

But now, I’d like to read serious people discussing things from a conservative (in the non-bastardized sense of the word) point of view.

Recommendations?

frum forum may be your best bet. that’s where i go to see what the rational conservative conversation is.

Interesting Times Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:16:11am

re: #8 LudwigVanQuixote

He’s is both too stupid and too arrogant to see it.

Speaking of stupidity and arrogance, here’s a “baffle with BS” denialist point I hadn’t come across before:

CO2 forcing is only significant at ice-age temps, not at interglacial temps like now. Satellite IR absorption data point that direction too. Environmental nihilism loves to wrap itself in the cloak of morality, but the science is not convincing, not to a skeptic. CO2 levels rose when the oceans warmed and contributed to further warming, but then temps leveled out even as CO2 continued to rise. It’s an Inconvenient Fossil Record. CO2 forcing is a ruse, a grain of truth blown into a mountain of dung. If you want to attack the Industrial Revolution, do it with the release of mercury or something legitimate. I love it when they say anti-science, lol. They don’t want to talk science - they want to rely on the “experts” from their side, who cannot possibly be groupthinkers, no no no - consensus! consensus is our banner.

WTF? Have you heard people trying to pull this before, i.e. instead of denying outright that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, claiming it can’t function as one under current conditions?

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:17:13am

Oddly, Roy Zimmerman seems to have nailed the whole thing a while back.

Warning: this is quite catchy. Mozart was good like that.

mr.fusion Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:18:28am

Look at how this issue is sucking the air out of the room for the entire right wing. I am now convinced that Barack Obama is a Jedi

Varek Raith Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:18:35am

re: #25 publicityStunted

Speaking of stupidity and arrogance, here’s a “baffle with BS” denialist point I hadn’t come across before:

WTF? Have you heard people trying to pull this before, i.e. instead of denying outright that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, claiming it can’t function as one under current conditions?

Lolwhut.
Haven’t seen that one before.
Heh.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:18:36am

re: #18 ArchangelMichael

Being born on the moon would make a heckuva bullet point for a presidential candidate.

Just saying.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:19:36am

A friend just posted to Facebook:

Last night I realized I’m a rare breed.. I’m a raging liberal green-y treehugger Christian. FEAR ME!

Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:19:46am

re: #22 ausador

Sigh…R.I.P. G.O.P. /

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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:20:42am

re: #29 EmmmieG

Being born on the moon would make a heckuva bullet point for a presidential candidate.

Just saying.

Worked for Al Gore.
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Former Vice President of the United States of America. Member of the “Vice Presidential Action Rangers”, and First Emperor of the Moon.

zora Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:21:08am

re: #5 EastSider

also check andrew sullivan’s daily dish at the daily beast. beware: he goes a little off the rails with sarah palin baby conspiracies and israel.

Mattand Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:21:23am

re: #32 Varek Raith

Worked for Al Gore.
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I HAVE RIDDEN THE MIGHTY MOON WORM!!!

simoom Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:21:33am

re: #5 EastSider

Can I ask a serious question:

I’d like to read a serious, adult, grown-up right wing blog. That’s actually why I came here a few years back.

I don’t know if these would really be consider right wing blogs in today’s climate, and I don’t frequent them so I can really vouch for their sanity/quality over any long period, but:
The Volokh Conspiracy (Mostly a conservative legal blog)
Outside the Beltway (This blog is more moderate-right than conservative I think)

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:21:54am

re: #33 zora

also check andrew sullivan’s daily dish at the daily beast. beware: he goes a little off the rails with sarah palin baby conspiracies and israel.

Yeah. The Trig ridiculousness was my first intro to Sullivan, and I haven’t gotten over that since. Never even got to the Israel stuff.

mr.fusion Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:22:06am

re: #34 mattand

I HAVE RIDDEN THE MIGHTY MOON WORM!!!

“Good for him”

Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:24:04am

re: #5 EastSider

Can I ask a serious question:

I’d like to read a serious, adult, grown-up right wing blog. That’s actually why I came here a few years back. While LGF has stayed in the same place, ideologically, the right has moved way more “right” (though that’s not the correct term, they’ve actually mainly gone crazy).

But now, I’d like to read serious people discussing things from a conservative (in the non-bastardized sense of the word) point of view.

Recommendations?

Good luck, there’s not much of that left.

Uncle Obdicut Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:24:20am

re: #35 simoom

Volokh has gone rather downhill.

simoom Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:24:22am

re: #35 simoom

and I don’t frequent them so I can really vouch

err, that should be “can’t”

Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:24:46am

re: #25 publicityStunted

Speaking of stupidity and arrogance, here’s a “baffle with BS” denialist point I hadn’t come across before:

WTF? Have you heard people trying to pull this before, i.e. instead of denying outright that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, claiming it can’t function as one under current conditions?

I have not heard that one. I would be very interested to hear the convoluted use of large words that are clearly not understood though. Are they butchering thermodynamics or quantum mechanics to come to this amusing “conclusion?”

Seriously… this one sounds too good to pass up on. If you can give me a source, I will write a very happy smack down. It takes a very special sort of stupid to think that basic QM is somehow suspended for any reason.

Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:26:24am

re: #35 simoom

The Volokh Conspiracy is crap. Glenn Reynolds links to it all the time.

Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:27:06am

re: #42 Killgore Trout

The Volokh Conspiracy is crap. Glenn Reynolds links to it all the time.

Especially after that asteroid/spending stupidity.

Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:27:15am

re: #25 publicityStunted

I mean that quote is a gem… don’t get me wrong… but it is the normal diarrhea of false talking points and mishmashes of idiocy coupled with a healthy does of contempt for actual experts. Can you find me a blog or a politician who is claiming this CO2 only works at ice age temps thing?

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:27:28am

re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. The Trig ridiculousness was my first intro to Sullivan, and I haven’t gotten over that since. Never even got to the Israel stuff.

I can handle malicious gossip-mongering about a candidate’s family, and I can handle pathetic ignorance of biological probability, I just can’t really handle both together.

Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:27:58am

re: #39 Obdicut

Volokh has gone rather downhill.

Yeah, stupid “originalist” fantasies about the Constitution, bogus numbers from Cato and general Obama derangement syndrome.

Uncle Obdicut Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:29:08am

re: #46 Killgore Trout

In addition, a studied ‘no position’ on climate change, which is ridiculous.

Gus Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:29:19am

re: #46 Killgore Trout

Yeah, stupid “originalist” fantasies about the Constitution, bogus numbers from Cato and general Obama derangement syndrome.

Ah. So they must have been nuts for some time now. I really never read their blog much.

mr.fusion Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:29:56am

re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist

I can handle malicious gossip-mongering about a candidate’s family, and I can handle pathetic ignorance of biological probability, I just can’t really handle both together.

In fairness to Sully he says he believes Trig is Sarah’s son….he just wants her medical records released (which she said she would do on numerous occasions) and he wants her to explain why she would fly from Texas to Alaska while in labor with a special needs kid.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:32:50am

re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist

I can handle malicious gossip-mongering about a candidate’s family, and I can handle pathetic ignorance of biological probability, I just can’t really handle both together.

Down’s Syndrome Kids are off limits.

There’s a special needs winterguard in Beaverton, Oregon. They sometimes come to competitions (no, they don’t get judged). We’re all glad they aren’t actually competiting, because they would flatten us.

When they walk on the floor, they are rock stars. The audience screams and cheers for them and brings the house down. Nobody would ever want to follow them.

I took a video, but it just doesn’t show how it is.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:32:55am

re: #49 mr.fusion

In fairness to Sully he says he believes Trig is Sarah’s son…he just wants her medical records released (which she said she would do on numerous occasions) and he wants her to explain why she would fly from Texas to Alaska while in labor with a special needs kid.

I’m glad to hear that—I had an idea that he was playing with the whole “Trig is Bristol’s son” business—but I don’t think either of those things are any of our business.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:33:41am

re: #50 EmmmieG

Down’s Syndrome Kids are off limits.

There’s a special needs winterguard in Beaverton, Oregon. They sometimes come to competitions (no, they don’t get judged). We’re all glad they aren’t actually competiting, because they would flatten us.

When they walk on the floor, they are rock stars. The audience screams and cheers for them and brings the house down. Nobody would ever want to follow them.

I took a video, but it just doesn’t show how it is.

I had to look up what a ‘winterguard’ is, but that sounds great.

What, me worry? Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:34:55am

re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #49 mr.fusion

Of all the real problems with Palin, in that she appears to have an IQ of a flea, who the hell cares who Trig’s mother is. What if they adopted him?

The only thing about Palin’s children that gets me miffed is the Wholesome Family Values candidate’s daughter went and got herself knocked up, apparently knowing Levi was boffing her in her bedroom (according to him).

Lots of teen girls get pregnant. Too many, in fact, but then don’t simultaneously portray yourself as pure as the driven snow.

Amory Blaine Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:35:04am

re: #10 Gus 802

We haven’t seen the end of birtherism. Not by any means. It is in fact becoming more popular to the right and won’t reach a climax until after the presidential election in 2012. The right wing and the GOP are very desperate and will latch onto anything that they see as a mean towards attaining victory.

The climax after the election, if Obama gets elected, will erupt in violence I fear.

zora Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:35:51am

re: #49 mr.fusion

who cares if sarah palin birthed that baby? not me. he’s hers now and it appears that he is being taken care of. it’s a non-issue. there are plenty of other ways to show that palin is a liar if that’s sullivan’s point.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:41:30am

re: #53 marjoriemoon

re: #49 mr.fusion

Of all the real problems with Palin, in that she appears to have an IQ of a flea, who the hell cares who Trig’s mother is. What if they adopted him?

The only thing about Palin’s children that gets me miffed is the Wholesome Family Values candidate’s daughter went and got herself knocked up, apparently knowing Levi was boffing her in her bedroom (according to him).

Lots of teen girls get pregnant. Too many, in fact, but then don’t simultaneously portray yourself as pure as the driven snow.

I have a lot of issues around how Bristol’s unfortunately very public pregnancy got handled by various people I believe to be hypocritical dorks. (Bill O’Reilly, I am still looking at you).

But unless Trig was stolen out of a stroller in front of the Wasilla A&P, I have no interest in probing his origins story.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:42:21am

re: #54 Amory Blaine

The climax after the election, if Obama gets elected, will erupt in violence I fear.

I think we will be OK. Most of these folks are really far too comfortable to riot.

mr.fusion Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:43:50am

re: #55 zora

who cares if sarah palin birthed that baby? not me. he’s hers now and it appears that he is being taken care of. it’s a non-issue. there are plenty of other ways to show that palin is a liar if that’s sullivan’s point.

Completely agree….I just don’t like seeing Sullivan compared to the birthers. For some reason he’s grabbed this issue and won’t let go, but there are an awful lot of inconsistencies in her story — a story that she uses to present herself as a hard chargin Amazon Woman.

You also said

he’s hers now and it appears that he is being taken care of.

I don’t know how beneficial it is for a special needs child to be taken around the country and paraded in front of crowds VS a more stable environment, but I’m no expert on the subject and when it comes to something that personal it probably is better to just leave it alone

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 21, 2011 11:50:35am

re: #58 mr.fusion

Completely agree…I just don’t like seeing Sullivan compared to the birthers. For some reason he’s grabbed this issue and won’t let go, but there are an awful lot of inconsistencies in her story — a story that she uses to present herself as a hard chargin Amazon Woman.

You also said

I don’t know how beneficial it is for a special needs child to be taken around the country and paraded in front of crowds VS a more stable environment, but I’m no expert on the subject and when it comes to something that personal it probably is better to just leave it alone

Decidedly. Not my business.

BongCrodny Thu, Apr 21, 2011 12:06:17pm

Wow. Just…wow.

From Doug J at Balloon Juice:

Don’t look now, but the number one best-seller at Amazon is Jerome Corsi’s birther manifesto, which promises to reveal Barack Obama’s true identity.

Inmates. Asylum.

allegro Thu, Apr 21, 2011 12:13:46pm

re: #60 BongCrodny

oh jeez. That is so wrong on so many levels. We’re doomed.

3CPO Thu, Apr 21, 2011 12:31:55pm

I’m not overly concerned with Trig’s origins either, but for anyone interested in the issue here’s a link (thanks, Jesus’ General!) to a paper written by a prof at Northern Kentucky U:
Scribd Document

As far as I’m concerned, she has already shown she’s a lying fame-whore, so I don’t need to know anything more about her. But it’s actually a fairly well-written paper.

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