Obama Releases ‘Long Form’ Birth Certificate, Right Wing Unrepentant

One of the most disgraceful episodes in American politics
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OK, here it is, you racist Birther morons: President Obama’s Long Form Birth Certificate.

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The right wing whining will now reach a fever pitch, and World Net Daily will soon come out with “proof” that it’s a forgery.

Without even a trace of irony, Donald Trump is very proud of himself.

And hate-filled bigot Pamela Geller, one of the main proponents of this asinine nonsense, has only this to say: WHAT TOOK SO LONG?

Today Obama announced he would finally release the long of his birth certifcate.As Obama continues to toy and taunt the American people, you have to scratch your head and say, what took so long?

Not a single word about the fact that she was totally, 100% WRONG, with her endless “proofs” that the “short form” was a fake. She just moves right along to the next stupid talking point.

Can you tell how completely disgusted I am that it came to this? The right wing has discredited itself utterly. Good work, idiots.

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375 comments
1 Obdicut  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:03:09am

Since it seems like a lot of the birthers have now moved on to the "Natural born" bit, let's nip that in the bud:


And the constitution itself contains a direct recognition of the subsisting common law principle, in the section which defines the qualification of the President. "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President," The only standard which then existed, of a natural born citizen, was the rule of the common law, and no different standard has been adopted since. Suppose a person should be elected President who was native born, but of alien parents, could there be any reasonable doubt that he was eligible under the constitution? I think not. The position would be decisive in his favor that by the rule of the common law, in force when the constitution was adopted, he is a citizen.


That's from Lynch v. Clarke, and it was cited by the Supreme Court.

2 Soap_Man  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:03:19am

I hope the birthers don't hurt their backs today moving the goal posts.

3 makeitstop  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:03:58am

re: #2 Soap_Man

I hope the birthers don't hurt their backs today moving the goal posts.

Not to worry. Their goalposts have wheels.

4 iossarian  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:04:07am

THERE IS NO EASTER PROCLAMATION ON THE LONG-FORM DERP NERTIFICATE!

5 blueraven  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:05:56am

re: #3 makeitstop

Not to worry. Their goalposts have wheels.

At the rate they are moving, I think they have wings.

6 laZardo  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:06:54am

From FB...

Please ignore all claims by the Central Government that Barry's certificate is "real." It's not. I know. You see, I have a political satire jingle to release later in the year, and the lyrics won't make sense if the certificate is now produced. So, it's not real. Not yet. Not till after my jingle, thank you. hehe ;-)

Dunno what to make of it...

7 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:07:02am

I saw the story on Yahoo this morning and the wing-nuts were already in denial calling it a fake and saying it took so long because it was hard to create a good forgery. That along with the usual "what took so long?" nonsense.

8 windsagio  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:07:02am

Man I can't help but think they sat on this so long so that they could use it for maximum impact.

Which I think he did, altho' who knows how it'll play out yet.

9 yoshicastmaster  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:07:09am

suck it birthers/trump

10 jaunte  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:07:27am

Fall back! Fall back!

Long form
Heat map
Forgery

Abstract! That's it! What's an abstract? Why has he taken so long to tell us?

11 latitude51  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:08:57am

So what. He's still a Muslim.
/

12 jaunte  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:09:16am

Common Descent tweets:

Obama proves that out of the two 2008 candidates, he was the only one born in the United States
13 dragonfire1981  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:09:22am

re: #5 blueraven

Warp engines.

I guarantee you by the end of the day this certificate will be denounced over 15 times

14 Mocking Jay  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:09:23am

re: #8 windsagio

Man I can't help but think they sat on this so long so that they could use it for maximum impact.

Which I think he did, altho' who knows how it'll play out yet.

April Surprise?

15 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:09:30am

re: #9 yoshicastmaster

suck it birthers/trump Trebek!!
//

16 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:09:30am

re: #8 windsagio

Man I can't help but think they sat on this so long so that they could use it for maximum impact.

Which I think he did, altho' who knows how it'll play out yet.

I was thinking the same thing. Here we have it up in the news, we have birther laws in various states, we have donald trump out there making an ass of himself (what else is new?). Everyone was getting all worked up and the press was falling for it then boom, he releases the birth certificate and it takes the wind out of everyone's sails (and makes them all look like idiots). Sadly it won't be enough for the real idiots.

17 shutdown  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:09:43am

What's next? Genetic proof he is male? Human? I don't even think BHO has done such a great job as President, but I am voting for him next election because the Republican party has discredited itself with this bullshit.

18 makeitstop  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:10:04am

Re Trump: I can't help but wonder what effect his Nirther stance has had on his ratings.

Poor Nirthers. They will never even noticed that Combover Boy played them for ratings. It's be sad if it weren't so hilarious.

19 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:11:12am

Now comes the conspiracy theory that his Mother somehow wasn't a natural born Citizen or even better yet, that She, sometime in the past, before She gave birth to Obama, relinquished Her U.S. Citizenship for that of Kenya.

I wish I was making this up, but you know some idiot will try to float something like this just to keep the meme that he isn't a real' merican going.

BTW. Morning Lizards.

20 shutdown  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:11:23am

re: #18 makeitstop

Reality TV and politics have finally converged. The revolution will be televised....

21 laZardo  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:11:38am

The difference between crises emphasized by conservatives and crises emphasized by liberals is that liberals don't make shit up.

Good fucking night people.

22 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:12:55am

re: #17 imp_62

What's next? Genetic proof he is male? Human? I don't even think BHO has done such a great job as President, but I am voting for him next election because the Republican party has discredited itself with this bullshit.

Separated from an ebil twin at birth!! Here's the scar!!!
[Link: hillbuzz.org...]

23 shutdown  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:13:00am

re: #19 Bubblehead II

Now comes the conspiracy theory that his Mother somehow wasn't a natural born Citizen or even better yet, that She, sometime in the past, before She gave birth to Obama, relinquished Her U.S. Citizenship for that of Kenya.

I wish I was making this up, but you know some idiot will try to float something like this just to keep the meme that he isn't a real' merican going.

BTW. Morning Lizards.

Wouldn't matter. Once his birth is established, it doesn't matter if his mother and father stepped off a crashed alien spaceship and set up house in a middle class suburb...

HOLY CRAP! Third Rock from the Sun was A DOCUMENTARY!!!!

24 jaunte  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:14:00am

Eric Boehlert at Media Matters:
How Fox Teamed Up with Trump For Birtherpalooza

Last week on The O’Reilly Factor, host Bill O’Reilly, who claims to not buy the birther conspiracy, was yet again hosting yet another discussion about the birther conspiracy. On the show, Fox News analyst Andrea Tantaros encouraged Trump’s ascendancy. Not because she necessarily believed it or even thought it was true, but because it was good fodder for the politics of personal destruction [emphasis added]:

"Let the man speak. He's got a bigger megaphone than Romney, Pawlenty, Gingrich, than all of them combined. And you know what; he can drive up Obama's negatives more than any of the other of those GOP candidates."

25 windsagio  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:14:18am

re: #16 dreggas

Also the way he used it. "We have important work to do, so I'll show I'm willing to compromise with these bastards by giving them what they want. It's stupid, but I'll take a hit for the good of the country"

26 elizajane  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:14:31am

Birtherism is so yesterday. Now we're on to, "prove to us that you weren't an affirmative action admit at Harvard, boy!" After all, as Trump says, lots of his rich white friends can't get their kids in there. So how did a black boy from Hawaii (or wherever...) manage it?

I will not deign to link to this but somebody blogging as Ace of Spades has a long post up, linking to many other posts, proving that Obama didn't deserve to be at Harvard, or to graduate magna cum laude, and that his IQ is actually only 116. Which is plenty for a n**** boy.

It's all grossly humiliating for Obama, and for every African American, and the entire Republican party should be ashamed of itself.

27 makeitstop  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:15:40am

TPM encounters Gingrich. The Crazy Train ain't even slowing down, folks.

Gingrich On Birth Certificate Release: 'Why Did It Take So Long?'

Oy vey.

28 HC4BO  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:16:04am

I'm STILL amazed at how Faux is giving this Limited Coverage ...

Guess they have decided and reported ... Unlike reporting and letting the viewers decide ...

29 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:16:51am

Fill me in, did Obama go to a podium and say carnival barkers????

30 windsagio  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:16:52am

re: #26 elizajane

I kind of think they're kind of gonna find AA a non-starter, at least with the non-racists, or even the racist-lites. He 'reads' as too smart and polished for it to stick.

31 theheat  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:17:35am

No doubt the freepers have proven 1,000 ways the birth certificate is a fake. Already. Again. Some more.

Face it, if they believe the earth is 6,000 years old, there are plenty of other facts to deny just as easily.

32 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:18:31am

re: #29 Stanley Sea

No... he was misquoted. He was actually calling for Bob Barker to make sure we spay and neuter our pets, which is a more important and pressing matter than dealing with the birthers. /

33 makeitstop  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:18:38am

re: #29 Stanley Sea

Fill me in, did Obama go to a podium and say carnival barkers???

Yep. It was a clear call-out to Trump - but only after he landed a left to the nose of the media. Benen's got the video.

34 shutdown  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:18:46am

re: #26 elizajane

I wager that this argument begins to smack of direct racism at an intensity too strong even for Faux News. And those who would subscribe to it are lost to the cause of reality anyway.

35 brennant  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:18:52am

re: #29 Stanley Sea

Fill me in, did Obama go to a podium and say carnival barkers???

...and pointed out that he was speaking to independent voters. Not the right.

36 gdalpert  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:19:01am

Trump is proud of himself because he got the President to release his birth certificate.

Seems like only yesterday that Trump was claiming that the certificate didn't exist.

Oh, wait...it was yesterday. Think anyone will call him on that?

37 elizajane  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:19:15am

re: #27 makeitstop

TPM encounters Gingrich. The Crazy Train ain't even slowing down, folks.

Gingrich On Birth Certificate Release: 'Why Did It Take So Long?'

Oy vey.

Jesus Christ Mr Gingrich. Were you, or any other WHITE candidate for office, required to supply a long form birth certificate? I thought not.

He didn't supply it before because he DIDN'T HAVE TO. Why should he capitulate to your damned racism? It's totally humiliating.

38 windsagio  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:19:39am

re: #36 gdalpert

Where's Brookly saying, "See? He shaped the conversation!"

39 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:20:09am

7 questions the kooks will bring up.
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

40 shutdown  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:20:32am

I think this is the point when I mention how much we all miss WF Buckley

41 The Left  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:20:54am

re: #30 windsagio

I kind of think they're kind of gonna find AA a non-starter, at least with the non-racists, or even the racist-lites. He 'reads' as too smart and polished for it to stick.

That's always been true. It hasn't stopped them before-- see every shrieking post about his reliance on a teleprompter.
And when he's encountered the GOP sans teleprompter they cried because he let the media in to see the fallout, remember? Heh.

42 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:22:22am

re: #41 iceweasel

DAMN IT, ICE!! DO YOU STILL HAVE YOUR KENYAN NIRTH CERTIFIKATE???
(heh)

43 The Left  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:22:30am

Oh and hey windsagio-- good to 'see'you again! xoxo

44 shutdown  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:24:17am

Anybody want to go in on starting a web rumour that BHO is a golem sent from the future by Terry Pratchett's great-grandson to set off a chain of events that will lead to the USA being re-incorporated into the United Kingdom under King Donald Trump's Head? (mixing Discworld and Futurama - sorry).

45 windsagio  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:24:24am

re: #43 iceweasel

:D

46 The Left  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:24:30am

re: #42 Cannadian Club Akbar

DAMN IT, ICE!! DO YOU STILL HAVE YOUR KENYAN NIRTH CERTIFIKATE???
(heh)

I sure do!My birth certificate

47 Randy W. Weeks  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:26:18am

What the hell has this country come to?

Sad fucking day.

48 deadletterboy  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:27:09am

I really wish he hadn't given in to these racist assholes. I understand that it's basically just a way of saying 'JESUS! OK! CAN WE BE ADULTS NOW?' but in some way it's validating their racism and allowing them to frame an argument that should be a non-issue.

49 Canuckistan  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:27:47am

The birthers won't be happy until they find an actual video of baby Obama exiting the womb, with prominent Hawaiian landmarks visible in the background.

50 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:27:49am

WE WANT TO SEE HIS GRADES!!11!1!

51 AntonSirius  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:28:10am

re: #22 Cannadian Club Akbar

Separated from an ebil twin at birth!! Here's the scar!!!
[Link: hillbuzz.org...]

Don't you mean separated from his good twin?

52 windsagio  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:28:45am

re: #48 deadletterboy

I actually kind of disagree, the way this outcome worked and the way he framed it makes them look crazy.

53 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:28:46am

re: #1 Obdicut

Since it seems like a lot of the birthers have now moved on to the "Natural born" bit, let's nip that in the bud:

That's from Lynch v. Clarke, and it was cited by the Supreme Court.

Most people, including birthers who profess to be constitutionalists don't seem to have any idea of legal precedent in constitutional law, so I think we're still going to see quite a lot of "his mother gave up his US citizenship to make him an Indonesian citizen, so he is not eligible" further down the road.

The right wing whining will now reach a fever pitch, and World Net Daily will soon come out with “proof” that it’s a forgery.

I am betting $100 now that one of them will include missing baby foot stamps. :-)

54 Soap_Man  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:29:00am

re: #49 Canuckistan

The birthers won't be happy until they find an actual video of baby Obama exiting the womb, with prominent Hawaiian landmarks visible in the background.

They still wouldn't be. "How do we know that's Obama?"

55 theheat  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:29:06am

re: #49 Canuckistan

And then they'll say how risque and inappropriate it is, since they only care about life in the womb, yet can't bring themselves to say va-gi-na..

56 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:29:24am

re: #51 AntonSirius

Don't you mean separated from his good twin?

No, if he is separated from an ebil twin, it makes him MORE EBIL!! BWHAHAHA!!!

57 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:30:11am

I'm gonna need to see a placenta.
//no need for that comment...

58 Soap_Man  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:30:47am

re: #53 000G

Most people, including birthers who profess to be constitutionalists don't seem to have any idea of legal precedent in constitutional law, so I think we're still going to see quite a lot of "his mother gave up his US citizenship to make him an Indonesian citizen, so he is not eligible" further down the road.

I am betting $100 now that one of them will include missing baby foot stamps. :-)

The appropriate response would be to ask them if we should then wipe everything done by Andrew Jackson from the books. Then wait to see if they even know what you are referring to.

59 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:30:57am

*sighs*

Speaking of the President, I came home last night to find this in my inbox. The poster is convinced this means that the President is, in her own words, 'no friend of the Jews.' Now granted, this is also the same person who refers to the Park 51 Islamic Community Center as a 'Super-Mosque, like a Super-Walmart' (again, her own words).

But this is the trend that is infesting Zionist groups here in the Bay Area. Otherwise liberal and left-leaning Zionists are adopting right-wing talking points as gospel truth.

An unfortunate trend for sure.

60 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:31:22am

Obama pwnds the birthers. Double down delicious dog dare to explode in an orgasm of galactic stupidity. He baited the children and they are eating it up. Word to my brother.

61 theheat  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:31:26am

re: #57 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm gonna need to see a placenta.
//no need for that comment...

Got some for ya right here, and you can buy it from Amazon.

62 The Left  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:31:51am

re: #56 Cannadian Club Akbar

No, if he is separated from an ebil twin, it makes him MORE EBIL!! BWHAHAHA!!!

Youtube Video

TBMG, My evil twin

63 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:31:58am

Hi ice!!! *cyber hug!*

64 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:32:47am

What do you mean why did it take so long?

He gave them a legal document a long time ago. He has now shown two legal documents.

Sheesh.

65 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:32:50am

"We do not have time for this kind of silliness. We've got better stuff to do. I've got better stuff to do. We got big problems to solve, and I'm confident we can solve them, but we're going to have to focus on them, not on this."

Note to GOP. Pay attention to the Adults in the room, not the Children out in the Playground.

66 The Left  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:32:55am

re: #63 eclectic infidel

Hi ice!!! *cyber hug!*

Hey eclectic! Haven't seen you in a while. How goes it?

67 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:34:04am

re: #33 makeitstop

Yep. It was a clear call-out to Trump - but only after he landed a left to the nose of the media. Benen's got the video.

Oh I don't think so. The barker is the one that draws attention to the clowns, in this case the 'news' media.

68 shutdown  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:34:45am

re: #59 eclectic infidel

Despairing of the insane debate about BHO's citizenship is not the same (to me) as agreeing with all his policies. I don't think he has done the ME peace process any good, so far. There does seem to be some behind-the-scenes work going on, based on recent statements by the PA backing away from asking the UN to recognize a Palestinian state in the fall of this year.

69 SmithCommaJohn  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:35:06am

This is a pretty terrible episode of Celebrity Apprentice.

Is anything else on?

70 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:35:48am

Drive by. Enjoy the rain, Midwest, I'm off to Merlefest and that magical place where the Cumberlands, Blueridge and Smokey Mountains all come together.

[Link: www.merlefest.org...]

71 makeitstop  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:36:06am

re: #69 SmithCommaJohn

This is a pretty terrible episode of Celebrity Apprentice.

Is anything else on?

Unfortunately, no. Do not attempt to adjust your television...

72 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:37:18am

The right wingers are settling on their talking points. The hard core loons will continue ranting that the BC is a fake, while the majority will simply declare themselves the victors for "forcing" Obama to show his certificate.

That's right. They're spinning an utterly humiliating, degrading defeat that makes them look like deranged racists ... as a victory.

73 abbyadams  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:37:43am

People on FB (friends of friends) are STILL saying this is not about race. That's just willful ignorance.

74 windsagio  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:38:10am

re: #72 Charles

The right wingers are settling on their talking points. The hard core loons will continue ranting that the BC is a fake, while the majority will simply declare themselves the victors for "forcing" Obama to show his certificate.

That's right. They're spinning an utterly humiliating, degrading defeat that makes them look like deranged racists ... as a victory.

I don't think they can even tell the difference anymore... Been living with their own lies too long.

75 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:38:11am

What is next? Demands to see photographic proof of his circumcision in an attempt to determine if it was done at the hospital in Hawaii or with a piece of broken glass by a Imam in Kenya?

/? (sarc, maybe?)

76 The Left  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:38:50am

re: #72 Charles

The right wingers are settling on their talking points. The hard core loons will continue ranting that the BC is a fake, while the majority will simply declare themselves the victors for "forcing" Obama to show his certificate.

That's right. They're spinning an utterly humiliating, degrading defeat that makes them look like deranged racists ... as a victory.

Advance talking points from 2012:
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.

77 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:39:18am

re: #49 Canuckistan

You'd almost think that the birthers consider this to be Obama's birth story:

Youtube Video
78 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:39:25am

re: #73 abbyadams

People on FB (friends of friends) are STILL saying this is not about race. That's just willful ignorance.

I would bet that for some it isn't. They just don't like Obama's politics, and were hoping for a technicality.

I would bet that for some it is. They also can't believe that blacks can legally vote, buy homes where they please, and sit where they please.

People are like that--individuals.

Still, it's a disgrace that Obama had to do this. The first birth certificate settled the issue decisively.

79 shutdown  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:39:27am

re: #72 Charles

What did you expect - isn't that the nature of conspiracy theorists? At some point, though, all the spin will force all but the most committed lunatics off the carousel and they will have to find some other conspiracy theory. Certainly the uneducated but well-meaning will - perhaps - open their eyes to what is really happening here.

80 theheat  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:39:37am

re: #76 iceweasel

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.

Does that shirt come in ladies sizes, and where do I get one?
//

81 Charleston Chew  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:39:47am

re: #71 makeitstop

Unfortunately, no. Do not attempt to adjust your television...

Changing the channel on America is tough. There's no remote and it's gonna take a lot of people getting of their couches.

82 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:40:25am

re: #72 Charles

That's right. They're spinning an utterly humiliating, degrading defeat that makes them look like deranged racists ... as a victory.


It's so frustrating. We now have an entire news cycle devoted to highlighting Republican buffoonery and they still think they're winning.

83 windsagio  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:40:32am

re: #78 EmmmieG

I still think it's more racial than most people will admit. We're over the big hump in that regard, but it'll be another generation before we're really in the clear.

84 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:41:17am

re: #66 iceweasel

Hey eclectic! Haven't seen you in a while. How goes it?

Ack! Been very busy with culinary school, but very much enjoying it as well. How are you? You're in...Scotland?

85 jvic  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:41:26am

re: #50 wrenchwench

WE WANT TO SEE HIS GRADES!!11!1!

And the Michelle Obama Whitey tape still hasn't been released! Why not? Why not? Huh? Huh? Huh? /

86 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:41:59am

re: #83 windsagio

I still think it's more racial than most people will admit. We're over the big hump in that regard, but it'll be another generation before we're really in the clear.

I would bet the racist ones know. The others are pretending they don't see that aspect, or have specifically not thought about it so they don't have to acknowledge anything like that.

87 The Left  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:42:27am

re: #84 eclectic infidel

Ack! Been very busy with culinary school, but very much enjoying it as well. How are you? You're in...Scotland?

Culinary school? COOL!
Yep. Scotland with Jimmah. Or as they say here, Aye.

88 jvic  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:43:25am

Hey, Ice. Long time.

89 AntonSirius  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:43:34am

re: #72 Charles

The right wingers are settling on their talking points. The hard core loons will continue ranting that the BC is a fake, while the majority will simply declare themselves the victors for "forcing" Obama to show his certificate.

That's right. They're spinning an utterly humiliating, degrading defeat that makes them look like deranged racists ... as a victory.

I really, really wish there was someone in the actual media, as opposed to the comedo-journos at Comedy Central, with the balls to staple this lie to the foreheard of anyone who tries to declare this a "victory".

90 The Left  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:44:25am

re: #88 jvic

Hey, Ice. Long time.

I haven't seen you in like a year! How are you? Good to see you!
I guess everyone's reassembling to mock Trump et al.

91 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:44:44am

Can't keep up, but I'm dying!!

We're not going to be able to do it if we just make stuff up and pretend that facts are not facts. We're not going to be able to solve our problems if we get distracted by sideshows and carnival barkers.

That was of course, a great off the cuff speech by POTUS.

92 blueraven  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:44:51am

re: #82 Killgore Trout

It's so frustrating. We now have an entire news cycle devoted to highlighting Republican buffoonery and they still think they're winning.

Its the Charlie Sheen philosophy.

93 The Left  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:45:01am

re: #85 jvic

And the Michelle Obama Whitey tape still hasn't been released! Why not? Why not? Huh? Huh? Huh? /

October surprise. Wait for it....

94 AntonSirius  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:45:16am

re: #82 Killgore Trout

It's so frustrating. We now have an entire news cycle devoted to highlighting Republican buffoonery and they still think they're winning.

That's because no one in the media is willing to call it buffoonery.

95 windsagio  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:45:32am

re: #90 iceweasel

I think a lot of us got really bored for a while... things are starting to get interesting again with the start of the campaign season.

96 SidewaysQuark  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:45:51am

"Natural born" citizen - does this mean that a cloned human would not be eligible for the Presidency?

Hmmmm....

97 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:46:03am

Instapundit's spin...

The White House may think it’s sprung a trap, but I think they waited too long. By now — as the polls from earlier this week showing how many independents thought Obama wasn’t born here, and which probably prompted the release decision, indicate — the damage is done. Even if people change their minds on the issue, for many the residual suspicion will remain: The thought that regardless of where he was born, there’s something shady about him.

Plus, from the comments: “Media: admit it, Trump forced the issue. Now, don’t let the WH distract you w/the birth crt from what Bernanke says today. Stay focused.” It’s more about the gas prices and the milk. Media spin won’t change those.


Lies work!

98 windsagio  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:46:21am

re: #96 SidewaysQuark

What about robots? "Built" isn't born.


ANDROID RIGHTS!

99 Soap_Man  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:46:32am

The GOP is now saying Obama is playing politics by releasing the birth certificate. From The Chicago Tribune:

In a statement after Obama spoke, Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus called the issue a distraction — and yet blamed Obama for playing campaign politics by addressing it.

"The president ought to spend his time getting serious about repairing our economy," Priebus said. "Unfortunately his campaign politics and talk about birth certificates is distracting him from our number one priority — our economy."

100 blueraven  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:46:58am

re: #94 AntonSirius

That's because no one in the media is willing to call it buffoonery.

There are a few...Anderson Cooper did a pretty good job of exposing the birther talking points.

Chris Matthews called it for what it is.

101 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:47:10am

re: #98 windsagio

What about robots? "Built" isn't born.

ANDROID RIGHTS!

What if it says Built in America?

102 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:47:12am

re: #99 Soap_Man

The GOP is now saying Obama is playing politics by releasing the birth certificate. From The Chicago Tribune:

Let's say that's true for sake of discussion:

Pot, meet Kettle.

103 Lidane  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:47:30am

re: #82 Killgore Trout

It's so frustrating. We now have an entire news cycle devoted to highlighting Republican buffoonery and they still think they're winning.

You're talking about the same imbeciles who think that Sarah Palin is an intellectual. What did you expect?

104 jvic  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:47:47am

re: #72 Charles

...They're spinning an utterly humiliating, degrading defeat that makes them look like deranged racists ... as a victory.

I'm not spinning it. We look like fools.

105 windsagio  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:47:59am

OH, its OT a bit but I didn't see it come up on here, have you guys talked at all about the guy coming up to the supreme court to say that recusal laws are unconstitutional?

106 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:48:25am

It's...not...a...victory.

You were just proven wrong and stupid. You were just shown to have put a lot of energy into a dead end. You were just shown to have wasted hours and hours and hours of your time.

107 windsagio  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:48:30am

re: #101 Cannadian Club Akbar

not born, no go.

108 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:48:57am

re: #107 windsagio

not born, no go.

Bornist!

109 windsagio  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:50:07am

re: #108 EmmmieG

I am deeply racist (is that even the right word?) vs. Robots and Clones.

creepy bastards.

110 Charleston Chew  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:50:18am

re: #76 iceweasel

Advance talking points from 2012:
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.

So it'll just be a rehash of previous years:

WAR IS PEACE: Invading Iraq to keep the US safe.
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY: Anti-abortion people are just like civil rights protesters.
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH: Knowledge is elitist.

Today's voter has such a short attention span that even 9 words may be too many. Better just go with:

WAR! FREEDOM! STRENGTH! TRUMP/NORRIS 2012!

111 Interesting Times  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:50:50am

OT: Schadenfreude ist die schönste Freude :D

"Critics, you won," said John Aglialoro, the businessman who spent 18 years and more than $20 million of his own money to make, distribute and market "Atlas Shrugged: Part 1," which covers the first third of Rand's dystopian novel. "I’m having deep second thoughts on why I should do Part 2."

Image: simpsons_nelson_haha3.jpg

112 Charleston Chew  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:51:22am

re: #109 windsagio

I am deeply racist (is that even the right word?) vs. Robots and Clones.

creepy bastards.

Racist against robots? Does that make you a machinist?

113 Lidane  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:51:46am

re: #111 publicityStunted

OT: Schadenfreude ist die schönste Freude :D

The free market has spoken! Huzzah!

114 brennant  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:52:02am

re: #99 Soap_Man

The GOP is now saying Obama is playing politics by releasing the birth certificate. From The Chicago Tribune:

"The president ought to spend his time getting serious about repairing our economy," Priebus said. "Unfortunately his campaign politics and talk about birth certificates is distracting him from our number one priority — our economy."

Obama said we had bigger fish to fry than wasting time with the birther issue in his comments... ugh.

115 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:52:08am

re: #112 Charleston Chew

Racist against robots? Does that make you a machinist?

Rage Against the Machine?

116 makeitstop  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:52:15am

re: #112 Charleston Chew

Racist against robots? Does that make you a machinist?

Brilliant!

117 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:52:20am

Frum called out the racism pretty well

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

118 windsagio  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:52:32am

re: #110 Charleston Chew

The better freedom is slavery is "The Confederacy was formed to protect our rights from the evil feds!" That's LITERALLY Slavery as Freedom.

119 windsagio  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:53:56am

I like that, 'machinist' :D

re: #115 Cannadian Club Akbar

Rage Against the Machine?

Youtube Video
120 shutdown  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:54:56am

re: #111 publicityStunted

OT: Schadenfreude ist die schönste Freude :D

Image: simpsons_nelson_haha3.jpg

"sits there flapping on screen like a bludgeoned seal"... great stuff

121 leftynyc  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:55:14am

re: #31 theheat

No doubt the freepers have proven 1,000 ways the birth certificate is a fake. Already. Again. Some more.

Face it, if they believe the earth is 6,000 years old, there are plenty of other facts to deny just as easily.

I simply can't take anyone who thinks the earth is 6000 years old and climate change is a hoax seriously on any issue. It's like making fun of the mentally challenged.

122 Charleston Chew  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:55:19am

re: #97 Killgore Trout

Instapundit's spin...

The White House may think it’s sprung a trap, but I think they waited too long. By now — as the polls from earlier this week showing how many independents thought Obama wasn’t born here, and which probably prompted the release decision, indicate — the damage is done. Even if people change their minds on the issue, for many the residual suspicion will remain: The thought that regardless of where he was born, there’s something shady about him.

That quote makes me sick inside. It's like a verbal high-five to evil.

123 mr.fusion  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:55:49am

This is all well and good but he's still black

//

124 Canuckistan  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:57:34am

re: #111 publicityStunted

Funny how the Galtian tough-guy buckled under to the parasitic sheeple (i.e., the movie critics). I thought it was supposed to be the other way around!

125 windsagio  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:57:54am

re: #122 Charleston Chew

Any 'independent' that thought that is just one of those "I hate all parties! But I just happen to always vote as far right Republican as I can!" fakers.

126 leftynyc  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:58:40am

re: #53 000G

Most people, including birthers who profess to be constitutionalists don't seem to have any idea of legal precedent in constitutional law, so I think we're still going to see quite a lot of "his mother gave up his US citizenship to make him an Indonesian citizen, so he is not eligible" further down the road.


I am betting $100 now that one of them will include missing baby foot stamps. :-)


Wouldn't the FACT that a parent can't give up a childs citizenship stop that one cold? Oh, wait, never mind - these are freepers (brain dead morons) we're talking about.

127 Lidane  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:59:03am

re: #96 SidewaysQuark

"Natural born" citizen - does this mean that a cloned human would not be eligible for the Presidency?

Hmmm...

If they're a white male and are a Real Murikan (read: a Republican), sure. Why not?

128 tnguitarist  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 8:59:38am

This post will surely bring out the socks and trolls....

129 shiplord kirel  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:00:26am

Wow, this is funny.
Why DID O wait so long? I think he and Dem strategists were waiting for birtherism to peak, to build to a fever pitch so the release would have the maximum impact on GOP credibility. It worked perfectly.
I think the peak was this week when Michael Steele said he didn't have a problem with birthers being in the party. Two years ago Obama could have slapped down WND and Pam Gellar with this release. Big deal. By waiting, he induced Trump, a large element of Fox News and, most importantly, a big part of the party base to join the pending train wreck with them. They swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.

130 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:01:54am

daveweigel daveweigel

Heh RT @iamnotchase: Trump was right. There WAS something President Obama was hiding on his birth certificate: [Link: twitpic.com...]

Click this pic!!! lol

131 Charleston Chew  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:02:26am

re: #118 windsagio

The better freedom is slavery is "The Confederacy was formed to protect our rights from the evil feds!" That's LITERALLY Slavery as Freedom.

Ah, yes. I was trying to be all modern but you're right. That's the best one of all time. "We must defend our freedom to own slaves!!!!"

132 AntonSirius  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:03:53am

re: #100 blueraven

There are a few...Anderson Cooper did a pretty good job of exposing the birther talking points.

Chris Matthews called it for what it is.

Until the L-word (lie) starts getting used regularly, it's not enough.

133 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:03:58am

re: #129 shiplord kirel

Wow, this is funny.
Why DID O wait so long? I think he and Dem strategists were waiting for birtherism to peak, to build to a fever pitch so the release would have the maximum impact on GOP credibility. It worked perfectly.
I think the peak was this week when Michael Steele said he didn't have a problem with birthers being in the party. Two years ago Obama could have slapped down WND and Pam Gellar with this release. Big deal. By waiting, he induced Trump, a large element of Fox News and, most importantly, a big part of the party base to join the pending train wreck with them. They swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.

Agreed. Republican legislatures wasted a lot of time passing Birther laws and the leading Republican candidate's entire platform has been sunk. Trump now has to switch gears onto the next bogus conspiracy.

134 Lidane  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:05:27am

re: #123 mr.fusion

This is all well and good but he's still black

//

And a Seekrit Mooslim. The long form still doesn't answer anything! Eleventy!

135 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:05:39am

From Drudge: David A. Sinclair, attending doctor, died in 2003...

Outrageous!

136 The Left  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:07:10am

re: #130 Stanley Sea

daveweigel daveweigel

Heh RT @iamnotchase: Trump was right. There WAS something President Obama was hiding on his birth certificate: [Link: twitpic.com...]

Click this pic!!! lol

Hilarious!

138 Mocking Jay  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:07:59am

re: #135 Killgore Trout

From Drudge: David A. Sinclair, attending doctor, died in 2003...

Outrageous!

WERE'S THE DETH CERTIFICATE? HE'S STILL ALIVE AND IN HIDING BECAUSE HE NOES SOMETHING!!1!!1

139 windsagio  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:08:32am

re: #135 Killgore Trout

From Drudge: David A. Sinclair, attending doctor, died in 2003...

Outrageous!

I hear he died of "Natural Causes". Many many people tied with Obama's childhood and youth died of "Natural Causes" as well.

IT's frightening the lengths they'll go to to cover up his past!

140 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:08:41am

Orly Taitz Document a fake, should say "negro" not "african".

141 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:08:50am

Fox: Obama Birth Certificate Issue Shows No Politician Can Run From the Truth


In this hyper-media driven world, the public expects to know everything about their elected officials, and they often do. And when they do not, they become curious and then they become suspicious. And once those suspicions set-in, critics and others feel free to fill-in the gaps. This is what happened to Obama.

After Watergate, the lesson that America learned was that it is the cover-up that gets you.

142 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:09:33am

re: #141 Killgore Trout

Fox: Obama Birth Certificate Issue Shows No Politician Can Run From the Truth

What freakin cover-up? Jesus H Christ these people are fucking morons!

143 makeitstop  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:09:41am

re: #135 Killgore Trout

From Drudge: David A. Sinclair, attending doctor, died in 2003...

Outrageous!

Obama Body Count!
//

144 Lidane  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:09:59am

re: #140 dreggas

ROFL.

145 The Left  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:10:46am

re: #110 Charleston Chew

So it'll just be a rehash of previous years:

WAR IS PEACE: Invading Iraq to keep the US safe.
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY: Anti-abortion people are just like civil rights protesters.
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH: Knowledge is elitist.

Today's voter has such a short attention span that even 9 words may be too many. Better just go with:

WAR! FREEDOM! STRENGTH! TRUMP/NORRIS 2012!

Mitt just yesterday forgot we're at war and accused Obama of going on a 'peacetime spending binge'.

Wrong decade, Mittens. Wrong party. Wrong president. Heh.

146 iossarian  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:11:06am

re: #142 dreggas

What freakin cover-up? Jesus H Christ these people are fucking morons!

It's just so irritating to have to deal with these people, but then that's democracy for you.

147 Lidane  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:11:20am

re: #141 Killgore Trout

Dear Faux News--

There's nothing on this "long-form" certificate that wasn't on the one he released three fucking years ago.

You lost. Get over it.

No love,
Me

148 shutdown  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:13:54am

OK, this whole thing has now started to make me feel more than just vaguely ill. I don't want to see an election between a Democrat and a Racist Fuck. What good does that do democracy in this country? In a time where our cup of real, serious issues runneth over, why are we having crypto-racist discussions about origin and birth? Ron Paul is going to determine the substantive debate by promising to abolish the Fed and return to the gold standard. What the hell is going on!

149 makeitstop  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:15:03am

re: #145 iceweasel

Mitt just yesterday forgot we're at war and accused Obama of going on a 'peacetime spending binge'.

Wrong decade, Mittens. Wrong party. Wrong president. Heh.

His 'clarification' was that he meant 'after World War II.'

Maybe because Iran and Afghanistan are off-budget they don't count? /

150 Charleston Chew  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:15:28am

re: #140 dreggas

Orly Taitz Document a fake, should say "negro" not "african".

Why can't this woman just go back to dentistry or whatever? She makes Lady Gaga seem camera shy. Come to think of it, I've never seen both of them in the same room... hmm...

151 jaunte  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:15:44am

re: #141 Killgore Trout

I demand proof of Lloyd Green's sanity.

152 windsagio  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:15:46am

re: #149 makeitstop

His 'clarification' was that he meant 'after World War II.'

Maybe because Iran and Afghanistan are off-budget they don't count? /

Ba-zing!

153 Lidane  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:15:51am

WND nutjob Joseph Farah--

Even If Long-Form Birth Certificate Is Genuine, It Doesn’t Prove Anything

LMAO. What a loser.

154 makeitstop  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:16:26am

re: #152 windsagio

Ba-zing!

Oops. PIMF.

155 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:16:35am

re: #150 Charleston Chew

Why can't this woman just go back to dentistry or whatever? She makes Lady Gaga seem camera shy. Come to think of it, I've never seen both of them in the same room... hmm...

with how distracted she's been over the birther bs I wouldn't trust her to use a drill in my mouth.

156 jaunte  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:16:51am

re: #153 Lidane

Farah is also not willing to concede that the long-form birth certificate is genuine. He writes: “The news media and the political establishment were quick to rush to judgment regarding Obama’s eligibility in 2008, without any basis. It would be a big mistake for everyone to jump to a conclusion now based on the release of this document, which raises as many questions than it answers.”


Lunacy.

157 windsagio  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:17:16am

re: #155 dreggas

She knows where the real money is anyways.

158 windsagio  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:18:45am

another aside: The LGF pages must be one of the most bizarre social experiments on the 'net.

They're this weird time/space warp of LGF culture.

159 Mocking Jay  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:19:05am

re: #153 Lidane

WND nutjob Joseph Farah--

Even If Long-Form Birth Certificate Is Genuine, It Doesn’t Prove Anything

LMAO. What a loser.

Racist.

That's my one word response to this from now on. There's nothing else to be said on the issue. If you think Obama is an illegitimate president? It's because of his race. Full stop.

160 jaunte  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:19:52am

teapartynation Judson Phillips tweets, twistedly:

You have to question the judgment of a man who spent millions to hide his birth certificate that shows nothing!

161 elizajane  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:20:29am

The official Republican line seems to be solidifying as:
It's Obama's fault! He created this distraction! He allowed this to drag on and on! Now he's making a media circus out of it!

Palin tweets: Media: admit it, Trump forced the issue. Now, don't let the WH distract you w/the birth crt from what Bernanke says today. Stay focused, eh?

[Link: twitter.com...]

If that doesn't make you gag enough, try Rinced Prius:

“As I’ve repeatedly stated, this issue is a distraction. ... The President ought to spend his time getting serious about repairing our economy, working with Republicans and focusing on the long term sustainability of Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. Unfortunately his campaign politics and talk about birth certificates is distracting him from our number one priority – our economy.”

HIS campaign politics? My God, these people have some nerve. Also Eric Cantor:

"The White House shouldn’t engage political sideshows, particularly at a time when the challenges facing our country are so immense."

Excuse me while I puke.

162 tnguitarist  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:20:32am

Now they'll try to discredit Hawaii as a state.

No sarcasm....

163 makeitstop  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:21:08am

re: #160 jaunte

teapartynation Judson Phillips tweets, twistedly:

They're making even less sense than usual today.

I think Obama just flipped the switch and they're all losing what minds they had.

164 shiplord kirel  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:22:28am

re: #163 makeitstop

They're making even less sense than usual today.

I think Obama just flipped the switch and they're all losing what minds they had.

It's like blowing a dog whistle in a room full of meth-pumped chihuahuas.

165 shutdown  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:22:50am

re: #164 shiplord kirel

It's like blowing a dog whistle in a room full of meth-pumped chihuahuas.

Meth pumped chihuahas. I like it.

166 Charleston Chew  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:22:51am

re: #148 imp_62

I don't want to see an election between a Democrat and a Racist Fuck. What good does that do democracy in this country?

People who see politics as some kind of 'sport' just don't get that. They see everything as 'my side vs the other side'. I don't want to 'beat the other side'. I just want someone non-crazy, non-stupid, non-evil running things. That's all. I'm an Obama supporter from '08 but I'd be happy with an Eisenhower-type Republican in the White House. (Of course, some would argue we have that now.)

167 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:23:49am

re: #153 Lidane

WND nutjob Joseph Farah--

Even If Long-Form Birth Certificate Is Genuine, It Doesn’t Prove Anything

LMAO. What a loser.

It's like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (in reverse): Even if you prove that they are forged beyond the shadow of the doubt, antisemites will still believe that they are essentially true because to them it will always be true that jews are out there to enslave the world.

Evidence does not matter.

168 shutdown  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:24:04am

From now on, any attempt to attack BHO on the question of citizenship or birth status should glean no more than the response: "Racist". The debate needs to be moved to higher ground, even if that mean heading there without any company.

169 Lidane  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:24:08am

re: #163 makeitstop

I think Obama just flipped the switch and they're all losing what minds they had.

He just exposed them all as idiots. The "long form" doesn't have anything on it that is radically different from the birth certificate they've been howling about for three goddamn years.

They got played. Obama waited until all this stuff reached a fever pitch, with birther bills in a bunch of states and a major potential GOP candidate going full loon, and he just bitch slapped them all. It's glorious.

170 shutdown  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:26:09am

re: #166 Charleston Chew

People who see politics as some kind of 'sport' just don't get that. They see everything as 'my side vs the other side'. I don't want to 'beat the other side'. I just want someone non-crazy, non-stupid, non-evil running things. That's all. I'm an Obama supporter from '08 but I'd be happy with an Eisenhower-type Republican in the White House. (Of course, some would argue we have that now.)

Then there are those who see party loyalty as their meal ticket. Patronage has pushed a whole generation of people into marching lock-step with ideological positions they don't agre with for fear of losing their jobs.

171 Charleston Chew  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:26:24am

re: #155 dreggas

with how distracted she's been over the birther bs I wouldn't trust her to use a drill in my mouth.

I can't imagine what kind of people would trust her with a drill in their mouth. I'd go to that guy from Marathon Man before I went to her.

Youtube Video
172 Uncle Meat  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:27:23am

If they didn't believe him before (as if it's a matter of belief in the first place), why would he expect them to believe him now? The only way he can settle this in their minds is to reveal that he is, in fact, actually a white Republican.

173 APox  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:28:27am

I wish he wouldn't have done it. Why succumb to a bunch of racist trash.

174 windsagio  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:29:50am

re: #169 Lidane

You always have to wonder about Obama. He played this so amazing well, and yet at the same time he's at least seemed to have so much ineffectiveness over the last year.

I can't figure out if he's brilliant at this or not >>

175 blueraven  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:29:50am

A comment from Fox

Tea_For_Free 0 minutes ago

President Donald John Trump, Sr.... vs... President Barack Hussain Obama...
Which one sounds more like an America?

I think that about sums it up.

Read more: [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

176 Lidane  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:30:14am

Obligatory:

Image: ObamaBirthCertificate.gif

178 Lidane  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:33:17am

re: #177 Killgore Trout

Birtherism is an inside job!
Beck: "How Many Of These Birthers Are Actually Working ... On The Same Side" As The President?

Hahahahaha...that's awesome. I guess that'll be the new meme.

179 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:34:02am

re: #173 APox

I wish he wouldn't have done it. Why succumb to a bunch of racist trash.

If it was up to me I'd ignore the birthers but Obama's team thinks there's a political advantage to embarrassing them now. We'll see how this pans out but it does force the Republicans to switch gears.

180 windsagio  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:34:11am

re: #177 Killgore Trout

Birtherism is an inside job!
Beck: "How Many Of These Birthers Are Actually Working ... On The Same Side" As The President?

Oh... my God.

That is so freaki'n great I can barely express it.

Same people that held up the racist TP signs, no doubt.

181 darthstar  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:35:31am

re: #1 Obdicut

Since it seems like a lot of the birthers have now moved on to the "Natural born" bit, let's nip that in the bud:

He was naturally born...there are pictures.

182 Mocking Jay  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:35:45am

re: #180 windsagio

Oh... my God.

That is so freaki'n great I can barely express it.

Same people that held up the racist TP signs, no doubt.

Alinsky Playbook Chapter 4: In the Event of a Democratic President of African Descent...

183 KingKenrod  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:37:04am

re: #173 APox

I wish he wouldn't have done it. Why succumb to a bunch of racist trash.

It's possible he realized there was a real chance some states could keep him off the ballot, like Arizona tried to do. He could have challenged those laws in court, but that would require resources and money.

184 Charleston Chew  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:37:37am

re: #175 blueraven

A comment from Fox


President Donald John Trump, Sr... vs... President Barack Hussain Obama...
Which one sounds more like an America?

Read more: [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Trump's grandfather Friedrich Drumpf must have agreed with that commenter when he changed his name. Oh the irony. By these people's racist name-logic we should suspect Trump of being a secret Nazi.

185 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:38:47am

Looking at Drudge, Fox and other wingnut sites I think I can see Obama's political strategy. Releasing the Birth Cert now solidifies the Trump vs Obama meme. Wingnuts are convinced that Trump forced Obama into action so now they want more Trump.

186 windsagio  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:40:22am

re: #185 Killgore Trout

yeah, Obama would LOVE to run against trump.

He's both demoralized/put off the rational ones and encouraged the crazies. Looks like a good play, just divides the GOP that much more.

187 Lidane  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:40:27am

re: #185 Killgore Trout

Looking at Drudge, Fox and other wingnut sites I think I can see Obama's political strategy. Releasing the Birth Cert now solidifies the Trump vs Obama meme. Wingnuts are convinced that Trump forced Obama into action so now they want more Trump.

I will laugh if Trump gets the nod. I wonder how many non-wingnut types will have cranial explosions if that happens.

188 Kronocide  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:41:42am

re: #161 elizajane

If that doesn't make you gag enough, try Rinced Prius:

“As I’ve repeatedly stated, this issue is a distraction. ... The President ought to spend his time getting serious about repairing our economy, working with Republicans and focusing on the long term sustainability of Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. Unfortunately his campaign politics and talk about birth certificates is distracting him from our number one priority – our economy.”

HIS campaign politics? My God, these people have some nerve. Also Eric Cantor:

"The White House shouldn’t engage political sideshows, particularly at a time when the challenges facing our country are so immense."

Excuse me while I puke.

That is the most maddening thing about it. The supposed adults, GOP, are just playing partisan BS with this. They themselves should be called to take for not decisively calling out birtherism for what it is, a 'distraction.' But when Obama releases the long form (which looks like and says the same thing as the certified copy), he's spending too much time and energy on unimportant things.

(well, actually his lawyers did, since he's already spent $2m defending it, Obama didn't lift a finger).

Insanity, the rabbit hole goes ever deeper.

189 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:42:01am

re: #176 Lidane

Obligatory:

Image: ObamaBirthCertificate.gif

I see your fake nirth certificate and raise you one...

"Alien" Obama
Image: obamanirth.jpg

"Kenyan" Obama
Image: ObongoBaby.jpg

Of course those of us with true inside knowledge actually know that Obama was born in Winnipeg as part of a Canadian plot to destroy America and therefore win back the Stanley Cup forever!

190 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:42:06am

I am a very angry black person today. Very angry. And it's not just because of how racist this country still is, I'm actually more pissed off at the ability of the most bigoted and stupid people in this country to control the conversation. I may be less negative tomorrow, but for today I'm letting myself feel what I feel and not try to talk myself out of it like I usually do. Today I feel like President Obama is too smart and too black to govern a country this dumb and this racist. I don't know why he's bothering.

191 tnguitarist  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:42:10am

Fox headline: "White House Releases What It Says Is The President’s Birth Certificate."

192 BongCrodny  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:42:26am

re: #185 Killgore Trout

Looking at Drudge, Fox and other wingnut sites I think I can see Obama's political strategy. Releasing the Birth Cert now solidifies the Trump vs Obama meme. Wingnuts are convinced that Trump forced Obama into action so now they want more Trump.


"Would you like some more Trump with your crow?"
"Yes, please."

193 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:42:55am

re: #186 windsagio

yeah, Obama would LOVE to run against trump.

He's both demoralized/put off the rational ones and encouraged the crazies. Looks like a good play, just divides the GOP that much more.

It'll be interesting to see if this result in a bump in the republican primary polls. I think it's entirely possible that the wingnut spin of a Trump victory could work.

194 Lidane  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:43:00am

re: #191 tnguitarist

Seriously? LOL.

195 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:43:42am

Saw this awesome comment at another blog:

the birthers and tea party members know something you don't. That Obama was not born in the us as a matter of fact. they all traveled back in time to that exact date and saw his birth in Kenya. They did that with a time machine that Spock MaCoy and Captain Kirk encountered on Stardate 3134.0:. I know this machine is real since I saw it on Star Trek The City on the Edge of Forever.

If two yiddin during the 1960's (spock and Kirk) could travel back in time why not the birthers of today?

However, the birthers are afraid that people would think they are crazy. And would not believe them that they time traveled and saw the actual birth.

Therefore, they need to come up with some other reason to convince the public of the truth.

Finally I a birthers has told the real truth of how we know thruth of Obama kenya birth.
PS I also went back in time and know know Rabbi Yossi the Galilean was correct there where 50 plagues on the sea.

matter settled

we birthers know it all

196 Robert O.  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:43:51am

Now that the birther issue has settled, who wants to bet with me the right will focus on his "Muslimness".

197 tnguitarist  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:44:08am

re: #190 moderatelyradicalliberal

I'm actually more pissed off at the ability of the most bigoted and stupid people in this country to control the conversation.

That is the problem.

198 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:44:46am

re: #173 APox

I wish he wouldn't have done it. Why succumb to a bunch of racist trash.

+1. And I'm tired of him saying that it's just "silly". It's not silly. It's from a very dark and dangerous place. It's racist and xenophobic. Normally, I'm pretty glad not to have children, but I'm really glad today. Having to explain to any black child why the President really felt the need to do this is not something I envy anyone who is raising a black child today.

199 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:45:27am

re: #148 imp_62

OK, this whole thing has now started to make me feel more than just vaguely ill. I don't want to see an election between a Democrat and a Racist Fuck. What good does that do democracy in this country? In a time where our cup of real, serious issues runneth over, why are we having crypto-racist discussions about origin and birth? Ron Paul is going to determine the substantive debate by promising to abolish the Fed and return to the gold standard. What the hell is going on!

As a person in another country, it seems to me that a good portion of the US citizenry is not handling the country's change in status well. They long for the days when the US was 'the indispensable nation'. Those days are long gone and won't becoming back.

Other nations are catching up in both wealth and technical know how. The US itself has made the classic mistake of changing its source of wealth creation from manufacturing to finance, a change that has always resulted in a loss of power.

But rather than facing these facts and dealing with them, they are looking for scapegoats, and Obama is the biggest at the moment.

Until the US deals with its problems rather than long for days not returning, it's going to have problems with its political process.

200 windsagio  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:46:55am

re: #190 moderatelyradicalliberal

I've always kind of thought that the real advantage of the Obama presidency is forcing all this crap out onto the surface.

Even with him winning, everyone is being forced to see what the real state of race relations in this country is, and it's not pretty.

201 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:47:20am

Sarah Palin

Media: admit it, Trump forced the issue. Now, don't let the WH distract you w/the birth crt from what Bernanke says today. Stay focused, eh?


Derp!

202 Charleston Chew  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:48:26am

re: #196 Robert O.

Now that the birther issue has settled, who wants to bet with me the right will focus on his "Muslimness".

They'll continue on with such subtly racist adjectives as "shady" and "murky".

203 shiplord kirel  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:50:04am

More comedy: Texas Tech football coach Tommy Tuberville went on the Sean Hannity show yesterday and among other things demanded that Obama release his long-form birth certificate. Today at least one local tea-partyist has credited Tuberville with causing the release.

204 Kragar  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:50:07am

When your enemy keeps making mistakes, you let them.

By releasing this just as various Birthers start trying to sideline the issue, he just threw more gas on the fire for the die-hards.

205 mikefromArlington  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:50:10am

This will go down a big ugly stain on the Republican party forever.

The history books will show how utterly ignorant a majority of Republicans were during this time period.

Congratulations you dimwits on making history.

206 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:51:16am

In other news,

Tonight's "South Park" will spoof Apple products and "The Human Centipede"

207 Charleston Chew  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:53:49am

re: #200 windsagio

I've always kind of thought that the real advantage of the Obama presidency is forcing all this crap out onto the surface.

Even with him winning, everyone is being forced to see what the real state of race relations in this country is, and it's not pretty.

I remember back in the 80s when Public Enemy sang:

These days you can't see who's in cahoots,
'Cause now the KKK wears three-piece suits.


The Obama election has gone a long way towards solving that problem. The civil veneer is being shed.

208 shiplord kirel  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:54:09am

re: #203 shiplord kirel

More comedy: Texas Tech football coach Tommy Tuberville went on the Sean Hannity show yesterday and among other things demanded that Obama release his long-form birth certificate. Today at least one local tea-partyist has credited Tuberville with causing the release.

Tuberville link

Texas Tech coach Tommy Tuberville appeared on conservative commentator Sean Hannity’s television show Tuesday, taking part in a panel discussion about President Obama’s Easter Sunday pastor, the controversy over his birth location and who might run against him in 2012.

Tuberville suggested that the president has a good chance to be unseated by whoever opposes him.

Asked by Hannity if there is anyone he likes for president, Tuberville said, “It really doesn’t make any difference. If the economy doesn’t get better, if the price of gas is six or seven dollars a gallon, if we’re still in wars, anybody’s going to run and win. Bottom line, we can’t keep going the direction we’re going.”

Tuberville was the day’s celebrity guest on “The Great American Panel” segment, joining in with former Maryland Gov. Robert Ehrlich and FOX News legal analyst Tamara Holder in a discussion moderated by Hannity.

209 MinisterO  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:55:08am

re: #185 Killgore Trout

Looking at Drudge, Fox and other wingnut sites I think I can see Obama's political strategy. Releasing the Birth Cert now solidifies the Trump vs Obama meme. Wingnuts are convinced that Trump forced Obama into action so now they want more Trump.

It may also drive a wedge between the birthers and the relatively sane conservatives. Each group comprises roughly half of the Republican voters.

The birthers won't accept a candidate who isn't one of them. If sane conservatives reject the birther candidate then the GOP is SOL for 2012.

210 Radical Rafe  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:55:19am

So Charles has been deceiving us all this time, with the walrus claiming to have "eated" the Nirth Certifikit.

/

211 blueraven  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:55:24am

re: #198 moderatelyradicalliberal

+1. And I'm tired of him saying that it's just "silly". It's not silly. It's from a very dark and dangerous place. It's racist and xenophobic. Normally, I'm pretty glad not to have children, but I'm really glad today. Having to explain to any black child why the President really felt the need to do this is not something I envy anyone who is raising a black child today.

I get your anger and frustration, but I think there is a tiny bit more than racism alone working here. If Alan West, or Herman Cain were president we wouldn't see all this. Maybe some, but nothing like what Obama has encountered.
It is a combination of being black, a liberal, a democrat, and having a funny name and a diverse background.

I know, even if this is all true, this doesn't ease the sting of racism.

212 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:55:55am

So, the birthers apologies began when? Oh, that's right. They're too self righteous to ever admit when they act like jackasses.

213 shutdown  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:57:14am

re: #199 Romantic Heretic

I see your point. Agreed, there is a great deal of "transference" in the political debate here. Many are unwilling to face the real issues, so are happy to be distracted by being spoon-fed Birther nonsense. But sound and productive political debate pre-date the emergence of the US as a superpower. It is my conviction that the political system itself needs overhauling in order to be accessible by ordinary citizens. When the electoral system was established, only land owning white males could vote, and the country was a barely contiguous, intermittently settled frontier nation. If certain folks did not believe that the Constitution was a holy document and the Founding Fathers inspired by the Divine Spirit, reform could be possible. As it is, the old system is perpetuated by those who benefit the most at the expense of those who cannot hope to change it. Goes hand-in-hand with denying women reproductive rights and claiming the President is an alien black African sekrit mooslim.

Bile rising.

214 Kragar  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:57:41am

re: #212 HappyWarrior

So, the birthers apologies began when? Oh, that's right. They're too self righteous to ever admit when they act like jackasses.

They're too busy slapping themselves on the back over their Phyrric victory.

215 shutdown  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:58:44am

re: #214 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They're too busy slapping themselves on the back over their Phyrric victory.

They're slapping something. O_o

216 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:59:46am

re: #200 windsagio

I've always kind of thought that the real advantage of the Obama presidency is forcing all this crap out onto the surface.

Even with him winning, everyone is being forced to see what the real state of race relations in this country is, and it's not pretty.

But everyone isn't being forced to see it. It seems to me as if people are being given every excuse to not see it. There are hardly any people in the MSM calling this for what it is.

217 makeitstop  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:00:22am

Wow. I just received a threat over Facebook's messaging system from a birther.

Obama really did set them off this morning.

218 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:01:07am

re: #206 Alouette

In other news,

Tonight's "South Park" will spoof Apple products and "The Human Centipede"

OMG, I thought I had forgotten that. I have not.

219 iossarian  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:01:45am

re: #208 shiplord kirel

I wish Texas Tech the best of luck recruiting their next star running back.

220 shutdown  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:02:17am

re: #219 iossarian

I wish Texas Tech the best of luck recruiting their next star running back.

Hmmm. Are you implying that all star running backs are of a certain race?
//

221 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:03:43am

re: #209 MinisterO

It may also drive a wedge between the birthers and the relatively sane conservatives. Each group comprises roughly half of the Republican voters.

The birthers won't accept a candidate who isn't one of them. If sane conservatives reject the birther candidate then the GOP is SOL for 2012.

It certainly alienates moderates and swing voters.

222 Gus  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:03:53am

Been watching on Twitter and here in between some local chores.

Of course this release won't quell the birthers insanity, the Birther-Industrial Complex™, Faux-News, nor the Tea Klux Klan.

223 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:04:50am

re: #210 Radical Rafe

So Charles has been deceiving us all this time, with the walrus claiming to have "eated" the Nirth Certifikit.

/

Lol! Walrus is a lie!

224 Gus  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:05:03am

Birthers enraged!

White sheets are sold out at local Target store.

Film @ 11.

[banjo music]

225 The Left  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:06:23am

re: #222 Gus 802

Been watching on Twitter and here in between some local chores.

Of course this release won't quell the birthers insanity, the Birther-Industrial Complex™, Faux-News, nor the Tea Klux Klan.

Tea Klux Klan-- HA!
Good to see you, Gus.

226 Gus  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:06:43am

After analyzing the recently released long form birth certificate Orly Taitz has released a statement:

"Not white enough. Needs to say 'Negro' not 'African'".

//

227 tigger2005  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:06:45am

On Monday Trump told Anderson Cooper that an "unnamed source" had told him Obama's long form certificate was "missing." Of course, we were supposed to trust this unnamed source over actual Hawaii officials who gave their names and swore up and down they'd seen the certificate.

Well, it seems we COULD trust that "unnamed source," because this is may be why the certificate was not in the file.

Now for the real question; how did this unnamed source know the certificate wasn't in the file? Did he break in?

228 iossarian  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:06:52am

re: #220 imp_62

Hmmm. Are you implying that all star running backs are of a certain race?
//

Toby Gerhardt begs to differ of course.

But yes, I imagine that this could get used against TT in the recruiting game.

229 The Left  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:07:01am

re: #224 Gus 802

Birthers enraged!

White sheets are sold out at local Target store.

Film @ 11.

[banjo music]

Will they be filming Birth Derp of a Nation?

230 Gus  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:07:18am

re: #225 iceweasel

Tea Klux Klan-- HA!
Good to see you, Gus.

Hey Ice! Yeah, that term is becoming more popular day by day.

231 Gus  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:07:35am

re: #229 iceweasel

Will they be filming Birth Derp of a Nation?

Andrew Derpbart!

232 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:08:03am

re: #211 blueraven

I get your anger and frustration, but I think there is a tiny bit more than racism alone working here. If Alan West, or Herman Cain were president we wouldn't see all this. Maybe some, but nothing like what Obama has encountered.
It is a combination of being black, a liberal, a democrat, and having a funny name and a diverse background.

I know, even if this is all true, this doesn't ease the sting of racism.

Much of the hatred that the far right has for liberals is racially based. Liberals are perceived to be people who favor policies that take money away from hard working white Americans and gives it to less deserving black and brown not real Americans. Even the disdain for liberals has a racial history. Black conservatives are OK only because they are perceived as not wanting to take away anything from white people to give to black people who they often do not show any real affinity or connection to.

233 Gus  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:08:12am

Da Derp Dee Derp Da Teetley Derpee Derpee Dumb

234 Simply Sarah  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:08:33am

I, personally, feel that this action by Obama was a mistake. It's not going to change the minds of anyone who has already convinced themselves (Or at least claims as such) that he's not qualified to serve, it doesn't change anything for the people that already were keeping their head out of their ass, and anyone that had been vulnerable to a seed of doubt being planted will probably still retain it.

If anything, I'm afraid this might make things worse. It sort of undermines the whole previous reason for it not being released because he couldn't, since now he has. It will be taken as a sign of weakness, that he gave in and released it. Clearly, the birthers will say, this only proves there's something even bigger he's trying to keep from getting out. And then you have those on the right who have been quoted above making absolutely ridiculous remarks on how Obama shouldn't be 'playing politics right now' and should 'focus on his job'.

I just see very little upside to this action and a lot of potential downsides. At the very least, it gives a symbolic victory to the rabid racists and far right wackos that will only encourage this sort of stupidity in the future. And no, I don't trust the American people to see how crazy things are and turn against them. It hasn't happened yet, so I see no reason that would change due to this.

235 Winny Spencer  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:08:35am

I wonder what happens to Jerome Corsi's birther book now....

Ahaahhahahah.

236 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:09:04am

The wingnutters are ranting about "natural born" being somehow different and more better than "native born" and requires BOTH parents to be U.S. citizens of a child born on U.S. soil. I think this is pure bullshit, whose ass did they pull this meme from?

Googling the the two terms just brought up a bunch of wingnut sites echoing each other.

237 The Left  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:09:04am

re: #233 Gus 802

Da Derp Dee Derp Da Teetley Derpee Derpee Dumb

Flight of the Bumble(ing) Bee?

238 Gus  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:09:50am

re: #237 iceweasel

Flight of the Bumble(ing) Bee?

Long form birth certificates. How do they fucking work? -- Birthernut

239 BongCrodny  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:10:43am

re: #235 Winny Spencer

I wonder what happens to Jerome Corsi's birther book now...

Ahaahhahahah.


My guess is they slap on a new cover and title page: "Where's the REAL Birth Certificate?"

240 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:11:15am

Sister Sarah was on Greta last night, brought up that Ayers wrote Obama's book and during the interview she lifts her hand up - there's shit written on there again.

241 The Left  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:11:32am

re: #236 Alouette

The wingnutters are ranting about "natural born" being somehow different and more better than "native born" and requires BOTH parents to be U.S. citizens of a child born on U.S. soil. I think this is pure bullshit, whose ass did they pull this meme from?

Googling the the two terms just brought up a bunch of wingnut sites echoing each other.

natural born, as in born of woman. Obama is the 21st century MacDuff!

242 shutdown  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:11:37am

re: #238 Gus 802

Long form birth certificates. How do they fucking work? -- Birthernut

Sperm goes in, President comes out. You can't explain that.

243 Gus  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:11:53am

Meanwhile, back at the Bat Geller Cave!

"Geller is taking Polaroids of the long form birth certificate under a heat lamp and black light for analysis by her intrepid Wingnut Blogger Derp Squad™."

244 The Left  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:12:06am

re: #240 Stanley Sea

Sister Sarah was on Greta last night, brought up that Ayers wrote Obama's book and during the interview she lifts her hand up - there's shit written on there again.

NO! Ahahahahahaha.
AYERS BAD
AMERICA GOOD

245 Gus  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:12:14am

re: #242 imp_62

Sperm goes in, President comes out. You can't explain that.

Sperm. How did it get here?

246 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:12:39am

Freepers are now declaring that they have the Big O by the neck, since faking the long-form nirth certifikat is an impeachable offense.

You know, having been born into a poor and rather dysfunctional family, I have always reflexively opposed elitism or elitist expressions as a matter of principle. Now, though, I am really forced to accept that a large percentage of the population, half or more in this case, is composed of duplicitous idiots whose opinions, values, and feelings should be of no more consequence to me than what is required by expediency.

247 Gus  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:12:58am

Where's the Obama afterbirth!!11ty

I demand to see the placenta!

248 shutdown  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:13:48am

re: #246 Shiplord Kirel

Freepers are now declaring that they have the Big O by the neck, since faking the long-form nirth certifikat is an impeachable offense.

You know, having been born into a poor and rather dysfunctional family, I have always reflexively opposed elitism or elitist expressions as a matter of principle. Now, though, I am really forced to accept that a large percentage of the population, half or more in this case, is composed of duplicitous idiots whose opinions, values, and feelings should be of no more consequence to me than what is required by expediency.

Doesn't it feel good to accept the truth? Take a deep, cleansing breath and let go of your old idealism. There- isn't that better?

249 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:14:42am

Drudge: Composed of layers?
Forgery!

250 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:14:45am

re: #241 iceweasel

natural born, as in born of woman. Obama is the 21st century MacDuff!

MacDuff was delivered by C-Section.

251 Lidane  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:14:56am

re: #206 Alouette

In other news,

Tonight's "South Park" will spoof Apple products and "The Human Centipede"

Finally! An important story. Heh.

252 calochortus  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:14:57am

Just a drive-by here, but a word to the wise stupid: Obama is the president. Get used to it because unless the Republicans get very serious very fast (and maybe even then) he's going to be president for a second term too.

253 Gus  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:15:22am

Obama was an illegal anchor baby!!11ty -- Michelle Malkin

Later that day Ms. Malkin provides us with vintage sepia photos of Ann Dunham's kitchen countertops and home furnishings.

//

254 The Left  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:15:24am

Joseph Farah is such an idiot:

Here’s Joseph Farah:

We look forward to reviewing it like so many other Americans do at this late date. But it is important to remember there are still dozens of other questions concerning this question of eligibility that need to be resolved to assure what has become a very skeptical public concerning Barack Obama’s parentage, his adoption, his citizenship status throughout his life and why he continues to cultivate a culture of secrecy around his life.

Farah is also not willing to concede that the long-form birth certificate is genuine. He writes: “The news media and the political establishment were quick to rush to judgment regarding Obama’s eligibility in 2008, without any basis. It would be a big mistake for everyone to jump to a conclusion now based on the release of this document, which raises as many questions than it answers.”

Wingnuttery in action. It's a perpetual motion outrage machine.

255 ignoranceisfatal  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:15:34am

re: #234 Simply Sarah

You're right in the sense that a certain fraction of the population will never be convinced -- hey, a lot of these same folks are perfectly happy to ignore mountains of scientific evidence on global warming. But this action might have more to do with eliminating birtherism as a topic of discussion for DC politicians. Of course, that might be a political miscalculation on his part, since I suspect the issue was hurting the GOP among more moderate voters.

256 The Left  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:15:47am

re: #250 Alouette

MacDuff was delivered by C-Section.

Exactly.

257 darthstar  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:15:55am

Any reporter seriously covering this story should be forced to wear a balloon hat while on camera. "This is Chuck Todd, in a balloon hat, asking if the release of the birth certificate will settle this issue."

258 darthstar  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:16:33am

re: #250 Alouette

MacDuff was delivered by C-Section.

Is that why he always left a room by the window?

259 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:16:33am

re: #234 Simply Sarah

I, personally, feel that this action by Obama was a mistake. It's not going to change the minds of anyone who has already convinced themselves (Or at least claims as such) that he's not qualified to serve, it doesn't change anything for the people that already were keeping their head out of their ass, and anyone that had been vulnerable to a seed of doubt being planted will probably still retain it.

If anything, I'm afraid this might make things worse. It sort of undermines the whole previous reason for it not being released because he couldn't, since now he has. It will be taken as a sign of weakness, that he gave in and released it. Clearly, the birthers will say, this only proves there's something even bigger he's trying to keep from getting out. And then you have those on the right who have been quoted above making absolutely ridiculous remarks on how Obama shouldn't be 'playing politics right now' and should 'focus on his job'.

I just see very little upside to this action and a lot of potential downsides. At the very least, it gives a symbolic victory to the rabid racists and far right wackos that will only encourage this sort of stupidity in the future. And no, I don't trust the American people to see how crazy things are and turn against them. It hasn't happened yet, so I see no reason that would change due to this.

Agreed. I have no faith in this country's ability to see through bullshit anymore. We are in decline because we are just too willfully ignorant and divided. I don't know if the birthers won anything, but I know Obama didn't either. Racists are never satisfied and he should know better. If anything the MSM will run with blaming him for the controversy in the first place. The majority of the country has very little ability to see through rightwing lies and the MSM has no interest in calling them on their lies about anything. Like I said, I don't know why Obama at this point wants a second term. He has his place in history and he should go back home to Chicago and enjoy the rest of this life. He is too smart and apparently too black to govern a country that is this stuck on stupid and racism. Or maybe I'm just being selfish because I'm tired of worrying about him and his family and being pissed off about how he's being treated. I know a lot of other people who feel the same way.

260 Winny Spencer  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:17:10am

In my current state of exuberance, I almost overlooked the fact that committed (also in a mental institution sense) birthers will still claim that Obama isn't natural born because his father was a foreign citizen at the time of Obama's birth.

261 Gus  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:17:10am

"Sir. I'm afraid it can't be killed!"

Voyage to Planet Birther

262 AK-47%  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:18:11am

re: #234 Simply Sarah

In a way, you are right: it does make him seem to be responding to them, just like giving in and buying candy for a kid who is having a screaming fit at the check-out counter.

263 Simply Sarah  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:18:15am

re: #246 Shiplord Kirel

Freepers are now declaring that they have the Big O by the neck, since faking the long-form nirth certifikat is an impeachable offense.

You know, having been born into a poor and rather dysfunctional family, I have always reflexively opposed elitism or elitist expressions as a matter of principle. Now, though, I am really forced to accept that a large percentage of the population, half or more in this case, is composed of duplicitous idiots whose opinions, values, and feelings should be of no more consequence to me than what is required by expediency.

It's a disturbing thought, but one I've increasingly been moving towards. It's very dangerous to say ruling should be done by "the elite", but it's also rather dangerous to be ruled by an under-informed (And sometimes outright stupid) and easily manipulated mob...

264 Interesting Times  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:18:34am

re: #261 Gus 802

"Sir. I'm afraid it can't be killed!"

Voyage to Planet Birther

From birther Facebook status:

Here's a PDF file of a birth certificate. It can't possibly be fake

265 Lidane  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:18:41am

re: #246 Shiplord Kirel

Freepers are now declaring that they have the Big O by the neck, since faking the long-form nirth certifikat is an impeachable offense.

LOL forever. So the State of Hawaii faked it for him?

266 Big Steve  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:18:52am

re: #234 Simply Sarah

I have a different view. There is something really interesting about this. For two years the birther thing has been a fringe/internet thing. The release of the long form today was accompanied by a comment that the story was now mainstream press and needed to be cleared up. I take this comment at its word. There is something intriquing here. To me it means that Obama does not think that internet blather truly changes anyone's mind, that isn't made up already, but main stream press coverage does. I think he is right on this. You can be anything you want on the internet and you may be different people at different sites. But when Brian Williams starts talking about it, even if the story is tangential, such as talking about Donald Trump talking about it, it does add patina of truth.

267 AK-47%  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:18:55am

Too many people have too much invested in the birther issue to just let it die at this point.

268 Simply Sarah  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:19:38am

re: #255 ignoranceisfatal

You're right in the sense that a certain fraction of the population will never be convinced -- hey, a lot of these same folks are perfectly happy to ignore mountains of scientific evidence on global warming. But this action might have more to do with eliminating birtherism as a topic of discussion for DC politicians. Of course, that might be a political miscalculation on his part, since I suspect the issue was hurting the GOP among more moderate voters.

See, I don't see why it would. If the unwashed masses of the base continue to believe it (Along with, seemingly, increasing numbers of the wider political spectrum), then the politicians in DC will continue to "believe" it as well.

269 Charleston Chew  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:19:48am

re: #241 iceweasel

natural born, as in born of woman. Obama is the 21st century MacDuff!

No wonder he was able to defeat McCainbeth in 08.

270 Gus  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:21:37am

re: #267 ralphieboy

Too many people have too much invested in the birther issue to just let it die at this point.

Image: 110425_cartoon_600.jpg

It can't be stopped!

271 Winny Spencer  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:21:46am

Maybe Ayers "wrote" Obama's birth certificate too.

272 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:22:06am

re: #265 Lidane

LOL forever. So the State of Hawaii faked it for him?

Sure, the local GOP can now impeach the whole Hawaii state government, while their counterparts in Congress go after the Big O, sort of a twofer.

273 albusteve  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:22:32am

this issue will go into double overtime and end in a draw...it will never end

274 albusteve  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:22:52am

re: #267 ralphieboy

Too many people have too much invested in the birther issue to just let it die at this point.

agreed

275 Big Steve  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:22:53am

re: #270 Gus 802

Image: 110425_cartoon_600.jpg

It can't be stopped!


Ha....great.....and we know that Birtherism has an ROI.....look at Trump's polls.

276 Gus  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:22:56am

It's the liberals who are making this an issue!

//

277 ignoranceisfatal  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:23:10am

re: #268 Simply Sarah

See, I don't see why it would. If the unwashed masses of the base continue to believe it (Along with, seemingly, increasing numbers of the wider political spectrum), then the politicians in DC will continue to "believe" it as well.

Perhaps, but it's a lot harder for a politician to say "I think the birth certificate is fake" than "I take him at his word, but I'd like to see the proof".

278 Charleston Chew  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:23:14am

re: #254 iceweasel

Wingnuttery in action. It's a perpetual motion outrage machine.

A Rube Goldberg machine for rubes.

279 AK-47%  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:23:29am

re: #272 Shiplord Kirel

Sure, the local GOP can now impeach the whole Hawaii state government, while their counterparts in Congress go after the Big O, sort of a twofer.


This calls for more drastic measure: removing the entire US government by force and replacing it with a provisional government and a constitution based on the Holy Scripture

280 shutdown  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:23:41am

re: #272 Shiplord Kirel

Sure, the local GOP can now impeach the whole Hawaii state government, while their counterparts in Congress go after the Big O, sort of a twofer.

The whole issue is certainly giving Malkin et al a Big O. The Tea Klux Party (thanks to whomever spawned the phrase!) new conferences ought to be X rated.

281 Kronocide  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:23:43am

re: #254 iceweasel

Joseph Farah is such an idiot:
Wingnuttery in action. It's a perpetual motion outrage machine.

The only difference between Joseph Farrah and Dylan Avery is a the amount of bong hits and 3 piece suits.

282 Simply Sarah  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:24:09am

re: #266 Big Steve

I have a different view. There is something really interesting about this. For two years the birther thing has been a fringe/internet thing. The release of the long form today was accompanied by a comment that the story was now mainstream press and needed to be cleared up. I take this comment at its word. There is something intriquing here. To me it means that Obama does not think that internet blather truly changes anyone's mind, that isn't made up already, but main stream press coverage does. I think he is right on this. You can be anything you want on the internet and you may be different people at different sites. But when Brian Williams starts talking about it, even if the story is tangential, such as talking about Donald Trump talking about it, it does add patina of truth.

It may be true that the mainstream coverage is the main concern and reason for this, since the legitimate organizations have been busy trying to be "neutral" and haven't been nearly strong enough in condemning this, while Fox & friends have been their normal selves. If it results in flushing it out with the next news cycle, it may indeed be successful. I just fear that it will only add to the focus (Or the goalposts will just effortlessly glide elsewhere).

283 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:24:24am

OK I think I have found the distinction between "natural born" and "native born."

"Native born" = born within the borders of the U.S. This also includes any U.S. military bases abroad.

"Natural born" = born abroad to one parent who is a U.S. citizen, who has spent 7 consecutive years in the U.S.

2 of my children and 13 of my grandchildren are "Natural born." U.S. embassies can be very pissy about the documents that they require in order to register a "Natural born" citizen. Birth certificates of "Natural born" citizens are issued by the U.S. Dept. of State who then take the foreign birth certificate and keep it.

284 Winny Spencer  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:24:30am

The "natural born"-argument is, however, far too complex for the average GOP primary birther to grasp and so politically it is a dead end.

285 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:25:28am

re: #260 Winny Spencer

In my current state of exuberance, I almost overlooked the fact that committed (also in a mental institution sense) birthers will still claim that Obama isn't natural born because his father was a foreign citizen at the time of Obama's birth.

That is total bullshit.

286 Simply Sarah  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:26:36am

re: #277 ignoranceisfatal

Perhaps, but it's a lot harder for a politician to say "I think the birth certificate is fake" than "I take him at his word, but I'd like to see the proof".

Maybe. But he provided clear proof three years ago during the campaign.

287 blueraven  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:26:37am

re: #259 moderatelyradicalliberal

Agreed. I have no faith in this country's ability to see through bullshit anymore. We are in decline because we are just too willfully ignorant and divided. I don't know if the birthers won anything, but I know Obama didn't either. Racists are never satisfied and he should know better. If anything the MSM will run with blaming him for the controversy in the first place. The majority of the country has very little ability to see through rightwing lies and the MSM has no interest in calling them on their lies about anything. Like I said, I don't know why Obama at this point wants a second term. He has his place in history and he should go back home to Chicago and enjoy the rest of this life. He is too smart and apparently too black to govern a country that is this stuck on stupid and racism. Or maybe I'm just being selfish because I'm tired of worrying about him and his family and being pissed off about how he's being treated. I know a lot of other people who feel the same way.

It is amazing to me how he has kept his cool. But in fact he has, at least outwardly. This is exactly the kind of person we need to lead right now. I think he is bigger than all of this and he places country ahead of anything, personal or political.

He makes decisions based on what is best for the country as a whole. No, he will not deter the hard core racist and idiots, but he showed a great amount of personal integrity.

I am of mixed feeling if he should have released this BC. It should put an end to this ridiculous episode by the MSM and expose the truly deranged and bigoted for what they are.

288 The Left  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:26:37am

re: #266 Big Steve

I have a different view. There is something really interesting about this. For two years the birther thing has been a fringe/internet thing. The release of the long form today was accompanied by a comment that the story was now mainstream press and needed to be cleared up. I take this comment at its word. There is something intriquing here. To me it means that Obama does not think that internet blather truly changes anyone's mind, that isn't made up already, but main stream press coverage does. I think he is right on this. You can be anything you want on the internet and you may be different people at different sites. But when Brian Williams starts talking about it, even if the story is tangential, such as talking about Donald Trump talking about it, it does add patina of truth.

Obama gets the net, at least, his campaign sure does. When this crazy smear was confined to the internet he wasn't too worried, I bet, because Organising for America types are all over the internet. The DNC owned the internet during the 2008 cycle. But the GOP has hamfistedly tried to make up that internet ground (even with the massive Fail of their website). Obama realises that there's a segment of voters out there who are increasingly hearing nothing but crazy from Fox et al and the GOP for all their failings will be using the internet more in 2012. You're right, when Brian Williams is bringing this stuff up, and Faux news, at a certain point it has to be addressed.

289 ignoranceisfatal  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:26:59am

re: #284 Winny Spencer

The "natural born"-argument is, however, far too complex for the average GOP primary birther to grasp and so politically it is a dead end.

Complexity of an issue hasn't exactly stopped intelligent design proponents or AGW critics...

290 Gus  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:29:28am

Hawaii. How did it get there? Is it a state?

291 Winny Spencer  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:29:45am

re: #289 ignoranceisfatal

Complexity of an issue hasn't exactly stopped intelligent design proponents or AGW critics...

But in those cases they don't have to grasp anything, only deny reality.

292 Gus  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:31:20am

re: #289 ignoranceisfatal

Complexity of an issue hasn't exactly stopped intelligent design proponents or AGW critics...

The same people that plant the fossils are the ones that planted the birth certificate!

//

293 iossarian  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:31:27am

re: #277 ignoranceisfatal

Perhaps, but it's a lot harder for a politician to say "I think the birth certificate is fake" than "I take him at his word, but I'd like to see the proof".

Oh, they'll just say "I haven't seen it myself, but..."

294 iossarian  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:31:48am

re: #290 Gus 802

Hawaii. How did it get there? Is it a state?

Those fucking volcanoes.

What we need is some kind of monitoring system.

295 Gus  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:31:50am

Obama's place of birth. Teach the controversy.

296 shutdown  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:31:53am

re: #290 Gus 802

Hawaii. How did it get there? Is it a state?

Beer. Where does it come from? Where does it go?

297 The Left  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:31:58am

re: #290 Gus 802

Hawaii. How did it get there? Is it a state?

Everyone knows Hawaii is an exotic, unamerican place, not like the heartland of Wasilla AK with its plethora of meth labs.

298 Gus  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:32:11am

re: #296 imp_62

Beer. Where does it come from? Where does it go?

Uranus doesn't have beer.

//

299 shutdown  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:33:14am

re: #298 Gus 802

Uranus doesn't have beer.

//

You go to the wrong pubs, mate.

300 apox  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:34:28am

Just heard a tea partier on NPR say this was shameful...

Why was it shameful? Because Obama waited until now to do it, so obviously he did all of this for political gain...

Not that they were flat out WRONG/racist.

301 justaminute  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:38:28am

Most birthers are more than willing to believe in a virgin birth but believing in an Hawaiian birth is a bridge to far.

302 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:42:48am

re: #246 Shiplord Kirel

Freepers are now declaring that they have the Big O by the neck, since faking the long-form nirth certifikat is an impeachable offense.

You know, having been born into a poor and rather dysfunctional family, I have always reflexively opposed elitism or elitist expressions as a matter of principle. Now, though, I am really forced to accept that a large percentage of the population, half or more in this case, is composed of duplicitous idiots whose opinions, values, and feelings should be of no more consequence to me than what is required by expediency.


I understand where you are coming from and the term that I have been trying to use is that these people are willfully ignorant. They are not people who simply don't know something by chance (we are all ignorant about lots of things) they are people who have chosen to not know something. They are ignorant by choice. They respond to new knowledge and facts like most people would respond to a grizzly bear in their backyard: fight or flight. Facts literally threaten them. It would be nice if we could just point and laugh, but their ability to influence people who should know better and dominate our attempts at adult conversation with their childishness is no laughing matter. There is a significant portion of the country that is both bigoted and lacking in critical thinking skills and I quite frankly am in despair over it. I though having an truly smart president whether or not I or anyone else agreed with him all of the time would help a little but, but it seems as if it's actually made if worse. It's not his fault at all, but he hasn't had any help in elevating our discourse. We are either too far gone or not far enough along.

303 leftynyc  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:44:30am

re: #89 AntonSirius

I really, really wish there was someone in the actual media, as opposed to the comedo-journos at Comedy Central, with the balls to staple this lie to the foreheard of anyone who tries to declare this a "victory".

I think you'll get what you're looking for from the most trusted name in news - Jon Stewart.

304 onyx  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:48:55am

I take the President at his word that the image he released is actually a faithful representation of a certified copy of his birth certificate. Of course, none of us have actually seen and held a certified copy of his birth certificate, let alone the birth certificate itself. Perhaps the simplest thing would be for the State of Hawaii to mail the physical certificate to Real American #1, who will check it over and make sure it "checks out beautifully". He will then mail it to Real American #2, and so on. (You can leave me off the list to save time, since as I've said, Obama's word is good enough for me.) Assuming a day for verification and two days for the mail (and assuming no new Real Americans show up in the meantime), Hawaii will get the certificate back in less than three million years. Frankly, this is such a simple plan that the fact that Obama hasn't enacted it already is extremely suspicious.
//

305 Achilles Tang  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:54:19am

re: #304 onyx

Talking of "representation", this reminds me of a discussion with some Egyptian lawyers years ago who were looking at the software contract for some IBM mainframe system software that their client was installing.

We had a lot of problem with the words "software copy". Specifically copy. They didn't want any damned copy of the software, they wanted the original.

306 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:02:28am

I'm glad this fake controversy has been put to rest.

I was curious to examine my own birth certificate and found that and my "certificate of live birth" (i.e., long-form) as well. They aren't actually the same documents, and I have both of them in front of me. My "birth certificate", a two-sided document, was issued by the hospital, and my "certificate of live birth" was issued by the Board of Health in the state where I was born. I believe obtained the second document to get my first passport (a long time ago). The two documents contain different (but not conflicting) information. It's actually interesting to examine your documents if you have both of them.

For example, my birth certificate is signed by the Attending Physician and the hospital Administrator. My certificate of live birth is signed by the Attending Physician and the Registrar of that State's Board of Health. My BC includes the actual day of the week I was born, while the other document does not.

The birth certificate also contains left/right footprints, as well as the left/right thumbprints of my mother. It doesn't bear the signatures of either of my parents. Both documents list my mother's maiden name, even though my parents were married. The "certificate of live birth" contains my mother's signature but not my father's.

I also noticed that, although I was born on May 10, the "certificate of live birth" was received by the State's Board of Health on May 19, but was not filed until June 7.

307 leftynyc  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:03:40am

re: #236 Alouette

The wingnutters are ranting about "natural born" being somehow different and more better than "native born" and requires BOTH parents to be U.S. citizens of a child born on U.S. soil. I think this is pure bullshit, whose ass did they pull this meme from?

Googling the the two terms just brought up a bunch of wingnut sites echoing each other.

As I understand it there are only two ways to become an American citizen. You need to be born here (or on a military or embassy property that is considered US soil) or be naturalilzed. There is no such thing as native born. They are pulling that phrase out of their collective asses.

308 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:05:26am

re: #307 leftynyc

As I understand it there are only two ways to become an American citizen. You need to be born here (or on a military or embassy property that is considered US soil) or be naturalilzed. There is no such thing as native born. They are pulling that phrase out of their collective asses.

You are correct -- I had never heard the term "native born" before this whole fiasco. Only "natural born" and "naturalized" citizen.

309 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:06:43am

re: #235 Winny Spencer

I wonder what happens to Jerome Corsi's birther book now...

Ahaahhahahah.

Ha! That's exactly what my brother said this morning!

310 leftynyc  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:07:34am

re: #260 Winny Spencer

In my current state of exuberance, I almost overlooked the fact that committed (also in a mental institution sense) birthers will still claim that Obama isn't natural born because his father was a foreign citizen at the time of Obama's birth.

Just ask them which part of the constitution or any supreme court cases that make that a true statement.

311 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:12:47am

re: #32 lawhawk

No... he was misquoted. He was actually calling for Bob Barker to make sure we spay and neuter our pets, which is a more important and pressing matter than dealing with the birthers. /

Well, it should be.

312 Spocomptonite  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:15:26am

They (Obama/white house) shouldn't have done this. It's a non-issue 5 ways to Sunday. Nobody else in the history of the U.S. has ever been required to do this, so Obama shouldn't have had to, either.

But instead of ignoring the trolls, they have now fed them, thus ensuring this idiotic controversy will continue to survive.

313 jaunte  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:21:31am

re: #203 shiplord kirel

More comedy: Texas Tech football coach Tommy Tuberville went on the Sean Hannity show yesterday and among other things demanded that Obama release his long-form birth certificate. Today at least one local tea-partyist has credited Tuberville with causing the release.

We'll have to look into why the Potatoburg family changed their name to sound more French.

314 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:23:02am

re: #130 Stanley Sea

daveweigel daveweigel

Heh RT @iamnotchase: Trump was right. There WAS something President Obama was hiding on his birth certificate: [Link: twitpic.com...]

Click this pic!!! lol

I am going to make a call that someone will pick up on the empty box after his mother's name saying 'date last worked'. That's for work leave, I presume, but it will be seized upon to say that the parents were unemployed, on welfare, or getting money from their Commie handlers in Kenya.

Someone let me know if I win a toaster with this prediction...I can't look at any of the wingnut blogs any more.

315 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:23:27am

re: #134 Lidane

And a Seekrit Mooslim. The long form still doesn't answer anything! Eleventy!

Well, so much for Zombie's pet theory.

316 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:23:37am

re: #135 Killgore Trout

From Drudge: David A. Sinclair, attending doctor, died in 2003...

Outrageous!

HOW DARE HE DIE!!!

317 aracona69  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:27:53am

Regardless of where he was born, it's totally obvious that image has been Photoshopped. The green patterned background is not original to the document, all of the text still has a fringe of the original white background.

The real question is why they are presenting a doctored image? Maybe trying to perpetuate the "controversy"?

318 wiffersnapper  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:32:42am

Hear that? That's the sound of all the Birthers' heads asploding.

319 tnguitarist  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:40:44am

re: #317 aracona69

It took a little longer than I thought it would. Please, tell us more.

320 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:43:58am

re: #155 dreggas

with how distracted she's been over the birther bs I wouldn't trust her to use a drill in my mouth.

My father was once sued by a dentist--not Orly Taitz--who had been employed at one point at San Quentin. They had to fire her. It's not easy to get prison dentists, apparently, but they still had to fire her, because these big badass felons would suffer with toothache rather than let this woman come at them with a drill.

321 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:44:27am

re: #162 tnguitarist

Now they'll try to discredit Hawaii as a state.

No sarcasm...

Oh, they've done that all along. It's kind of weird, and foreign, you know.

322 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:45:30am

re: #175 blueraven

A comment from Fox

Tea_For_Free 0 minutes ago

I think that about sums it up.

Read more: [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Yeah, that sums it RIGHT up.

323 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:46:30am

re: #190 moderatelyradicalliberal

I am a very angry black person today. Very angry. And it's not just because of how racist this country still is, I'm actually more pissed off at the ability of the most bigoted and stupid people in this country to control the conversation. I may be less negative tomorrow, but for today I'm letting myself feel what I feel and not try to talk myself out of it like I usually do. Today I feel like President Obama is too smart and too black to govern a country this dumb and this racist. I don't know why he's bothering.

{{Moderately Radical Liberal}}

We are going to get through this.

324 BongCrodny  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:46:54am

re: #317 aracona69

Regardless of where he was born, it's totally obvious that image has been Photoshopped. The green patterned background is not original to the document, all of the text still has a fringe of the original white background.

The real question is why they are presenting a doctored image? Maybe trying to perpetuate the "controversy"?


Aracona: Spanish for "derp."

325 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:47:18am

re: #202 Charleston Chew

They'll continue on with such subtly racist adjectives as "shady" and "murky".

We KNOW there's something wrong with him. Why, the people we've been telling there's something wrong with him for years just know it too!!

326 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:48:08am

re: #226 Gus 802

After analyzing the recently released long form birth certificate Orly Taitz has released a statement:

"Not white enough. Needs to say 'Negro' not 'African'".

//

If we change it to Negro, will she be satisfied and go away?

327 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:48:53am

re: #227 tigger2005

On Monday Trump told Anderson Cooper that an "unnamed source" had told him Obama's long form certificate was "missing." Of course, we were supposed to trust this unnamed source over actual Hawaii officials who gave their names and swore up and down they'd seen the certificate.

Well, it seems we COULD trust that "unnamed source," because this is may be why the certificate was not in the file.

Now for the real question; how did this unnamed source know the certificate wasn't in the file? Did he break in?

Governor Laura Lingle vs. an unnamed source who talks to Donald Trump

How to choose who to believe?

328 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:49:34am

re: #235 Winny Spencer

I wonder what happens to Jerome Corsi's birther book now...

Ahaahhahahah.

It will sell in giant numbers, and the next printing will have a new chapter explaining what's wrong with the released document.

329 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:50:14am

re: #236 Alouette

The wingnutters are ranting about "natural born" being somehow different and more better than "native born" and requires BOTH parents to be U.S. citizens of a child born on U.S. soil. I think this is pure bullshit, whose ass did they pull this meme from?

Googling the the two terms just brought up a bunch of wingnut sites echoing each other.

As has been pointed out here, Andrew Jackson's parents were both immigrants.

They're making this shit up.

330 thecommodore  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:54:34am

I hope Obama and the Democrats use this in the campaign next year to remind independent voters - who flocked to the GOP in '10 - just how deranged the Republicans have become. The GOP will probably try to pretend they weren't birther curious, and firing up the wayback machine to present a nice montage of Palin, Bachmann, even Huckabee, as well as other congressmen and Senators making comments giving credence to the birther would be a nice reminder of what they used to be/still are.

331 thecommodore  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:56:17am

re: #317 aracona69

Regardless of where he was born, it's totally obvious that image has been Photoshopped. The green patterned background is not original to the document, all of the text still has a fringe of the original white background.

The real question is why they are presenting a doctored image? Maybe trying to perpetuate the "controversy"?

Birthers are the gift that keep on giving.

332 SpaceJesus  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 12:00:38pm

I was kind of hoping the president would bust it out during election season

333 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 12:21:22pm

re: #317 aracona69

Regardless of where he was born, it's totally obvious that image has been Photoshopped.

Uh, no.

334 Amory Blaine  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 12:35:51pm

re: #317 aracona69

Regardless of where he was born, it's totally obvious that image has been Photoshopped. The green patterned background is not original to the document, all of the text still has a fringe of the original white background.

The real question is why they are presenting a doctored image? Maybe trying to perpetuate the "controversy"?

How is it "totally obvious"?

To who?

Clueless morons?

335 trdlgmsr  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 12:38:15pm

[Link: market-ticker.org...]

Interesting. Thoughts?

336 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 12:40:20pm

Here they come!

337 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 12:40:34pm

re: #335 trdlgmsr

Interesting. Thoughts?

Crap.

338 trdlgmsr  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 12:41:32pm

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

Debunked

339 thecommodore  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 12:42:09pm

re: #327 SanFranciscoZionist

Governor Laura Lingle vs. an unnamed source who talks to Donald Trump

How to choose who to believe?

You're talking about birthers. Like truthers, you should never be surprised by who they choose to believe.

340 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 12:52:16pm

re: #335 trdlgmsr

[Link: market-ticker.org...]

Interesting. Thoughts?

Gibberish

341 yoshicastmaster  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 1:24:16pm

Carnival Barker

342 Buck  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 1:48:26pm

I am not a Birther, BUT the Whitehouse scanned this with Adobe software in a strange way. They have left alot for the Nirthers to grab onto.

Image: BC_1.JPG

Meta data? that can be removed...

Image: BC_2.JPG


You just have to hate when that happens...

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Don't misunderstand me, I know this is just a scanning issue. Adobe doing something strange to the TIFF file they scanned...but who needed this...

343 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 2:19:39pm

I was hoping he'd wait until some time into the next election cycle. Oh well.

344 srjh  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 2:39:40pm

So the copy was certified by some guy called Onaka.

Onaka/Obama... conincidence? I think not!

345 srjh  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 2:42:53pm

In fact, I think it's a code.

Two letters were changed from BM to NK. NK? Now we know who his real masters are.

The whole thing's an elaborate forgery, like the North Korean superdollars. That's just his masters signing it to make sure Obama knows where he stands.

346 srjh  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 2:47:56pm

re: #317 aracona69

Regardless of where he was born, it's totally obvious that image has been Photoshopped. The green patterned background is not original to the document, all of the text still has a fringe of the original white background.

No, it's totally obvious the image has been photoCOPIED.

A better way of verifying that would be to look at the bottom, where it says "I certify that this is a true copy or abstract of the Hawaii State Department of Health", dated two days ago.

347 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 3:07:17pm

re: #342 Buck

I am not a Birther, BUT the Whitehouse scanned this with Adobe software in a strange way. They have left alot for the Nirthers to grab onto.

Image: BC_1.JPG

Meta data? that can be removed...

Image: BC_2.JPG

You just have to hate when that happens...

---
Don't misunderstand me, I know this is just a scanning issue. Adobe doing something strange to the TIFF file they scanned...but who needed this...

Buck -- please learn how PDF files are constructed.

Maybe you'll believe the National Review: [Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

348 Buck  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 6:25:16pm

re: #347 Charles

Buck -- please learn how PDF files are constructed.

Maybe you'll believe the National Review: [Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

So despite me asking not to be misunderstood, you had to anyway.

I said I knew it was "just a scanning issue. Adobe doing something strange to the TIFF file they scanned". I also know that it didn't have to happen...it was a screw up on the part of the person who scanned/converted it to a PDF.

Those screen caps are from my screen, so I actually own and use Acrobat 9 Pro. So I do know how they are made... I just wish this didn't leave the Nirthers something to bite on.

349 Buck  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 6:36:22pm

And what sucks for downdinging me just for pointing it out...

Seriously...

350 S'latch  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 6:48:05pm

Previously, speculation about why Barack Obama was not releasing the long form of his birth certificate led to a theory that the Obama administration liked the “birther debate” because it put Republicans in a difficult position. When people like Speaker Boehner were asked if the birther theory is crazy, they would risk losing their base if they said “yes” but risk discrediting themselves if they said “no.” So, the birther debate forced people like Boehner to discredit themselves. I cannot think of another reason why they might have held on to this for so long. Also, it worked well. And, they probably should have kept doing it.

351 S'latch  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 7:09:56pm

On the other hand, we probably should all take a deep breath and wait until Donald Trump has a chance to examine this purported birth certificate to see if it is real and to confirm that it checks out.

352 samgak  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:58:29pm

That NRO link is correct about the "layers" resulting from automatic processing of the image after a scan (and NOT being the result of fakery), but there is no OCR-generated text in the document. It's all bitmaps. Mentioning OCR is just introducing confusion.

353 giantslor  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:57:18am

I used to reference Jews ironically as the cause for anything bad or anything I didn't know the actual cause of, in a nod to wacky conspiracy theorists. I'm now switching from Jews to Barack Obama.

What's causing all these tornadoes lately? I'll tell you who. Barack Obama, that's who. Barack Obama and his secret alien army.

The right wing will continue to believe that Obama is a diabolical, Muslim, Kenyan, Marxist, idiot, of course. I don't really give a shit what the idiots believe, as long as they lose, and keep losing.

354 Mike DeGuzman  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:47:41am

Wait till the Presidential election in 2012, its going to be a hell of a fight between the Democrats and Republicans, full of hate, deceptions, lies, propaganda, etc., democracy and freedom in action!

355 perrie  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:32:14pm

What I find deeply disturbing is that for over 2+ years this whole Birther business has churned on and on, and the Obama administration didn't shut it down until "The Donald" pushed the issue. So what happens, the megalomaniac gets his way and Obama feels that he has t show his long form birth certificate and Donald gets the credit. I am not sure which is worse, legitimizing Donald Trump as a possible candidate, or wondering why the Obama administration didn't just show them the long form birth certificate to begin with, which just makes team Obama look like they are playing political games to make the right look stupid. Sadly, it seems to me that they did more damage to themselves.

356 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:33:04pm

re: #355 perrie

Because Obama tricked everyone else into being racist nutjobs?

357 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:06:26pm

re: #355 perrie

Welcome hatchling.

What I find deeply disturbing is that for over 2+ years this whole Birther business has churned on and on...

I believe you about being deeply disturbed...why not post it on an active thread? The topic is still hot!

358 perrie  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:26:52pm

Did I say that? What I said I believe, is that this makes The Donald look good and makes the Obama administration look like they were using this, until this point, to their advantage. Now it is team Obama that has loss their footing.

359 perrie  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:29:12pm

re: #357 wrenchwench

Thanks for the welcome!

I didn't realize that this wasn't an active thread. I am still getting used to the place

360 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:58:54pm

re: #358 perrie

How could Obama be 'using' something completely out of his control? You don't make any sense.

361 perrie  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:52:56pm

re: #360 Obdicut

How was getting his birth certificate out of his control?

362 Interesting Times  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:57:49pm

re: #361 perrie

How was getting his birth certificate out of his control?

Why were people demanding to see it in the first place?

363 perrie  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:48:40pm

re: #362 publicityStunted

You've got me there. Logically speaking, probably a case of sour grapes. But since they were, why wouldn't you just put the whole thing to bed and show it? I'm no Birther, but I've got to say, that I don't see the logic in holding out.

364 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:17:39am

re: #361 perrie

How was getting his birth certificate out of his control?

Dude, he showed his birth certificate back in 2008. What are you babbling about?

365 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:18:48am

re: #363 perrie

Have you managed to somehow not notice that now, since he's released this on-file birth certificate-- that it's still not 'put to bed'? The birthers have just moved on to stage 3 of the conspiracy: either it's a fake, or he's not really naturally born, or his school records are where the real evil secret lies.

366 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:41:41am
367 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:50:45am

re: #366 perrie

It's not Obama's job to protect the GOP from its' nutty members.

368 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:53:30am

re: #366 perrie

My only and singular point is, that he should have put the issue to bed a long time ago, so that if a somewhat reasonable person had their doubt, it would have cleared it up.

The issue was put to bed a long time ago. He showed his birth certificate in 2008. Why are you ignoring that?

We are the folks who put him into office. Like it or not, delaying showing his birth certificate, didn't look like he was being on the up and up.

Why are you lying and claiming he didn't show his birth certificate before?

369 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:19:27am
370 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:22:39am

re: #369 perrie

After he showed his birth certificate in 2008, there was no reasonable doubt. There was never any reasonable doubt. There was never any reason, whatsoever, in any way, to doubt that he was born in Hawaii. The conspiracy theory never made a damn lick of sense.

Where did I say that he didn't show a birth certificate?

Right here, liar:

Like it or not, delaying showing his birth certificate, didn't look like he was being on the up and up.

You're not fooling anyone.

371 perrie  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:35:17am

re: #370 Obdicut

OMG. OK, let me clarify... I was referring to the long form.

Liar? Kind of a personal attack on a person you don't know of have had any interactions with. And who do you think I'm trying to fool?

372 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:39:47am

re: #371 perrie

Liar is not much of a personal attack. It's more of a description of your actual actions: such as claiming he delayed releasing his birth certificate. His birth certificate has been available since 2008.

Yes, I know birthers like you became fixiated on the long form for some damn reason or another. It was rather deranged.

Give one, simply one, any actual reasonable reason to believe Obama wasn't born in Hawaii. Just one reason to think it. Anything that makes the remotest piece of sense, please. Something that a 'reasonable' person would give.

Why would an American woman travel to Kenya to have a child and then hurriedly create a conspiracy to make it appear as though she hadn't done so?

If the goal was to have him be a US citizen, why wouldn't she just stay in Hawaii?

Please make sure you keep that in mind.

373 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:46:59am

re: #369 perrie

Will this comment get deleted, too?

No, but your account is history. Birthers who link to World Net Daily: get lost.

374 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:47:33am

This one registered a second account too.

375 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 11:08:35am

re: #374 Charles

This one registered a second account too.

Disturbed. I had a hunch (#357). Actually she handed me the hunch on a platter.


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