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1 Gus  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:51:12pm

Long live Carl Sagan.

2 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 9:59:09pm

re: #1 Gus 802

Long live Carl Sagan.

You mean long live the works of Carl Sagan, right?

Otherwise, you're a bit late.

3 boxhead  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:00:59pm

Isn't the music from that video also in the movie True Romance?

Also.... nice words from Carl Sagan.

4 Kragar  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:02:48pm

re: #2 EmmmieG

You mean long live the works of Carl Sagan, right?

Otherwise, you're a bit late.

Or so we have been lead to believe.

5 D. Tomeric  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:07:44pm

That particular statement by Sagan is, and always will be, one of the most humbling and awe-inducing arguments for our place in the universe I've ever heard.

Thanks for giving me a reason to listen to it again.

6 austin_blue  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:10:38pm

*Billions* and *billions* of stars.

I miss Carl. He, along with S. J. Gould and that radical Atheist, Dawkins, are (were) some of the best explicators of science in the world.

(Is explicator a word? Been following the Alabama storms for way too long. I'm a ditz at this point. It's a fucking disaster. Don't be surprised if the death toll is over 125 tomorrow.)

7 austin_blue  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:17:36pm

re: #6 austin_blue

*Billions* and *billions* of stars.

I miss Carl. He, along with S. J. Gould and that radical Atheist, Dawkins, are (were) some of the best explicators of science in the world.

(Is explicator a word? Been following the Alabama storms for way too long. I'm a ditz at this point. It's a fucking disaster. Don't be surprised if the death toll is over 125 tomorrow.)

And good night sweet Lizards. I am for the rack.

8 boxhead  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:18:46pm

re: #7 austin_blue

And good night sweet Lizards. I am for the rack.

night...

9 Gus  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:28:47pm

re: #2 EmmmieG

You mean long live the works of Carl Sagan, right?

Otherwise, you're a bit late.

It's a figure of speech after someone passes away. Which I am sure you are aware of.

Long live King Harold!

10 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:34:07pm

re: #9 Gus 802

It's a figure of speech after someone passes away. Which I am sure you are aware of.

Long live King Harold!

Just so you know, the phrase pertains to the king's successor, not the dead king.

11 Gus  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 10:35:42pm

re: #10 goddamnedfrank

Just so you know, the phrase pertains to the king's successor, not the dead king.

Erm. Thanks.

12 Gus  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:00:29pm

Sorry but I think the responses to my comment "Long live Carl Sagan" were pretty lame.

13 Gus  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:06:42pm
14 Gus  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:07:31pm

Damn. The dweebishness is strong tonight.

15 Gus  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:10:31pm

Another boring LNDT. Sad really. Later.

16 Irenicum  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:52:25pm

Birtherism should be in the DSM as a certifiable mental illness. Seriously. This beyond stupid to bring deeply mental.

17 Irenicum  Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:54:54pm

re: #16 Irenicum

Grrr. I should really do a grammar check before I post. Obviously, I meant: This is beyond stupid to being deeply mental.

18 freetoken  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:10:55am

re: #15 Gus 802

Another boring LNDT. Sad really.

The night belongs to the Muses. We do as they inspire us.

19 sagehen  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:26:24am

re: #10 goddamnedfrank

Just so you know, the phrase pertains to the king's successor, not the dead king.

speaking of kingly successors... only 24 hours until guests start arriving at Westminster Abbey. Then there'll be the procession through the streets; the wedding starts at 11am Greenwich time (I was going to call it Zulu-Time, which is what pilots call it, but somebody wouldn't know that and would think I was making a weird racial reference about an event that doesn't involve anybody of African descent....)

The HATS!! I'm unhealthily obsessed with wanting to see the guests' hats. And I suppose the Royal Balcony Kiss, but not as much as the hats. (admit it, that couple looks like they were drawn by Disney animators).

20 sagehen  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:27:21am
21 sagehen  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:31:27am
22 sagehen  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:32:53am
23 sagehen  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:34:19am
24 sagehen  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:41:14am
25 boxhead  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:50:15am

re: #15 Gus 802

Another boring LNDT. Sad really. Later.

I tried engaging you into a silly conversation... :)

26 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:51:56am

re: #1 Gus 802

If only we had someone that could truly follow in his footsteps. We need a new Sagan. :(

27 boxhead  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:56:10am

re: #26 prononymous

If only we had someone that could truly follow in his footsteps. We need a new Sagan. :(

Could it be that those who could follow do not due to the anti science phenomenon that exists today? Just like the people best suited to be leaders of our Country want nothing to do with our political process.

28 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:56:55am

the problem with twitter is it's full of cowards

29 boxhead  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:57:58am

re: #28 WindUpBird

the problem with twitter is it's full of cowards

dang... u still here too... and I felt guilty for checking back in... :)

30 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:00:05am

re: #27 boxhead

It could be the anti-science atmosphere. But that's why we need someone like him more than ever.

It could also be that people who can effectively communicate such complex ideas to the general public are rare.

31 boxhead  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:06:49am

re: #30 prononymous

It could be the anti-science atmosphere. But that's why we need someone like him more than ever.

It could also be that people who can effectively communicate such complex ideas to the general public are rare.

and are immune from the shite spewed from the usual suspects. That people accuse any scientist that does not fit their narrow belief structure of fudging research for monetary gain is harmful to our existence. I truly think these actions are our worst enemy. Many many will suffer and die because of this.

32 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:07:27am

fetishbird on twitter if you dare :)

33 boxhead  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:08:14am

ok... sleep is really calling me..... night

34 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:09:09am

re: #29 boxhead

dang... u still here too... and I felt guilty for checking back in... :)

Well, I got trashed with friends and local barfys, four rusty nails and I still got 6 hours of work :-) Portland is so much better than any stalker can imagine. Pussies from the internet, weeping into their keyboards

35 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:09:12am

re: #33 boxhead

ok... sleep is really calling me... night

Good night.

36 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:09:17am

re: #33 boxhead

cheers dude

37 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:11:10am

WindUpBird, GDF's comment is still bothering me from earlier. Do you think I am zealous?

38 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:17:56am

re: #37 prononymous

WindUpBird, GDF's comment is still bothering me from earlier. Do you think I am zealous?

who?

39 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:18:49am

re: #37 prononymous

I am eating a bowl of cereal and making fun of tools on the internet. Who's GDF? :D

40 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:19:17am

GDF = goddamnedfrank.

41 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:19:19am

re: #37 prononymous

honesty and honest hatred of pathetic fools is the best policy

42 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:19:33am

re: #40 prononymous

GDF = goddamnedfrank.

link me, don't know

43 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:19:59am

re: #40 prononymous

I like gdf, he's good nw folks

44 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:21:05am

re: #40 prononymous

part of the culture of we who grew up in the nw is we hate most of the rest of america, because it's full of psychos and racists

45 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:21:05am

Well it was his comment about atheists being zealots. It's a common comment that really irritates me, but I wanted to hear what you thought.

46 simoom  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:21:13am

Schieffer: "Ugly strain of racism" in Trump's assertions

"That's just code for saying he got into law school because he's black. This is an ugly strain of racism that's running through this whole thing. We can hope that kind of comes to an end too, but we'll have to see."
47 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:21:21am

re: #45 prononymous

Well it was his comment about atheists being zealots. It's a common comment that really irritates me, but I wanted to hear what you thought.

well I see what he means

because I know athiest zealots

48 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:21:43am

re: #45 prononymous

athiest zealots are mean to christians for no reason


that's probably what he means

49 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:22:29am

re: #45 prononymous

Like, one of my best friends on this earth is a zealot athiest. He just blows up at Christians, period. Like to the point of fistfights.

That's probablyt what gdf means


I know some unstable people!

50 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:22:41am

I hear it about atheists though just dragged out like the magical balance fairy. He didn't really clarify.

51 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:24:41am

re: #45 prononymous

because he's an athiest who's been held at knife point in high school for not believing


that'll affect you, that'll change your life, when you think you'll be killed for not bein' conservative enough

the truth is not politics. The truth is survival. I'm not that guy. My mom's a methodist. Windy is a presbyterian. But I see why eventually, you just don't care, and when someone prosletyzes, you just lash out

52 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:25:08am

re: #50 prononymous

I hear it about atheists though just dragged out like the magical balance fairy. He didn't really clarify.

talk to him. I'm drunk as hell dude, I'm barely awake :)

53 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:25:37am

re: #50 prononymous

though if ya wanna talk to the real me, I'll make a yahoo IM for ya

54 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:26:47am

It's ok. I was just curious about how we/I am perceived.

55 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:27:24am

re: #54 prononymous

It's ok. I was just curious about how we/I am perceived.

i think you're AWESOME

I think you're one of the smartest people this blog has, like CuriousLurker

56 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:27:46am

re: #54 prononymous

just being honest

57 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:28:17am

Well thanks. Though even smart people can be zealous.

I like CuriousLurker too. And that should give everyone some idea how I feel about religious people. :)

58 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:32:31am

re: #57 prononymous

Well thanks. Though even smart people can be zealous.

I like CuriousLurker too. And that should give everyone some idea how I feel about religious people. :)

You are in my top ten lizards ^_^

59 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:33:12am

re: #57 prononymous

and so's GDF. And so's CL. And so's Killgore, and so's Iceweasel. Good folks. Good people!

60 freetoken  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:34:22am

re: #26 prononymous

If only we had someone that could truly follow in his footsteps. We need a new Sagan. :(

Over on the BBC, a month or so ago they ran a four part science documentary by Brian Cox that was essentially an homage to Sagan and including the re-reading of his last part of Cosmos.

Titled "Wonders of the Universe":

61 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:34:45am

re: #58 WindUpBird

You are one of my favorites here as well. Stay honest, it suits you well.

62 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:37:30am

re: #60 freetoken

Over on the BBC, a month or so ago they ran a four part science documentary by Brian Cox that was essentially an homage to Sagan and including the re-reading of his last part of Cosmos.

Titled "Wonders of the Universe":
[Link: youtu.be...]

Thanks, that is in my watch list and has been moved to the top on your recommendation.

63 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:41:11am

re: #61 prononymous

You are one of my favorites here as well. Stay honest, it suits you well.

trying ta be more honest every day, hence the twitter

64 freetoken  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:42:48am

re: #46 simoom

Heheheh... I notice in the rating on youtube that the thumbs down lead the thumbs up. The birther/wingnut crowd likes to work the Youtube comments and ratings like they do twitter.

65 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:44:08am

re: #64 freetoken

Let me go balance that out a bit...

66 freetoken  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:45:21am

re: #62 prononymous

Thanks, that is in my watch list and has been moved to the top on your recommendation.

All four episodes are there, in four parts each. I'm surprised the BBC hasn't had it pulled, but I think those vids haven't gotten a lot of attention yet because most people (like me) link to it indirectly via the uploader's .be link.

It's a lovely little series, but like the Attenborough stuff the emphasis is on production, not information/minute. Beautifully done, it is more visual poetry than science.

67 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:45:48am

re: #65 prononymous

Though no comments. Youtube comments are a cesspool.

68 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:46:36am

re: #66 freetoken

I'll watch it in real HD.

69 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:47:12am

re: #67 prononymous

Though no comments. Youtube comments are a cesspool.

depend son the youtube movie

If you're an extreme metal fan, youtube isa wonderul community :-)

70 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:48:14am

re: #69 WindUpBird

Point well taken. The political/religious stuff can get rather ugly though.

71 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:49:45am

re: #69 WindUpBird

I mostly listen to wussy metal. ;)

72 freetoken  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:50:19am

re: #68 prononymous

I'll watch it in real HD.

The Blue-ray DVD is not yet available in the US:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

But the book is soon:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

73 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:51:33am

re: #72 freetoken

The Blue-ray DVD is not yet available in the US:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

But the book is soon:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

I'll buy it when the time comes. But I already have the HD version from torrents.

74 freetoken  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:55:51am

Speaking of zealotry, I see that the growing (?) universalism movement among non-denominational "evangelical" churches (in the US) is really giving the fundamentalists heart burn these days.

The fear of there not being a "hell" is at least as threatening, perhaps more so, than Darwin.

Strangely though, the recent IPSOS poll showed that universalism isn't very popular worldwide, something like only 2% believe in it. Many more people are non-after-life-at-all, or atheists, than the heaven-is-for-everybody types.

I think the problem for fundamentalism (and Catholicism, which seems concerned about this supposed surge of universalism) is that without the zeal to escape Hell the pews (and the coffers) might be more empty.

75 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:09:53am

re: #74 freetoken

I think the problem of declining attendance is more fundamental (heh) then that.

In the past religions could always market themselves effectively. They could always point out why "you need us". The could point out the positive effects they had on stabilizing and advancing society. From monasteries being a primary force of literacy to the stabilizing effect of the "god appointed" king. And of course the threat of eternal pain and torture is always a cherry on top.

But now all they have to market is fear. They can't point to any good reason why we need to believe them. And ultimately people will realize that they don't.

76 freetoken  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:12:03am

re: #75 prononymous

In the past religions could always market themselves effectively. They could always point out why "you need us".

There's never been a sales gimmick more effective than the Get-Out-Of-Hell-Card.

77 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:13:02am

the problem with the weak sauce on twitter is they all go to bed at night


amateurs

78 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:14:19am

re: #74 freetoken

anyone who truly believes in hell, I don't know anyone like that personally, because those people are the peopke we make fun of


I also don't know anyone who believes airplanes are witches, or anyone who thinks they can levitate or see the future

79 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:15:02am

re: #71 prononymous

I mostly listen to wussy metal. ;)

dude, get you some real metal

80 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:15:59am

re: #71 prononymous

please don't tell me you listen to Dragonforce

Pro-tools metal ain't metal :(

81 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:16:28am

re: #76 freetoken

There's never been a sales gimmick more effective than the Get-Out-Of-Hell-Card.

True, but you need to believe that hell exists first. Not many are worried about needing to escape Helheim.

re: #77 WindUpBird

the problem with the weak sauce on twitter is they all go to bed at night

amateurs

Sleep? At night? Sounds like an excuse to wuss out. ;)

82 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:16:37am

re: #71 prononymous

it isn't metal unless you've had to go to the hospital

either for moshing or for making it

83 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:17:12am

re: #80 WindUpBird

Nah, just melodic death and whatnot.

84 freetoken  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:18:58am

re: #81 prononymous

Here's a story about the current center of the storm:
[Link: www.mlive.com...]
but the problem is much, much larger.

Part of the revanchist movement in this country the past two years has a distinctly religious thread to it, and the angst that is driving them is not just racial (a la Obama) or economics (unemployment).

85 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:19:19am

re: #79 WindUpBird

dude, get you some real metal

[Video]

I'm only a minute in, but this is fucking epic so far.

86 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:21:38am

re: #84 freetoken

Upding for the comment and for using the term revanchist. Perfect.

87 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:21:40am

re: #83 prononymous

Nah, just melodic death and whatnot.

I'm okay with melodic death but it's not my preference

I like stoner doom, gothic doom, psychedelic prog and technical death


Voivod, The Sword, Electric Wizard, Cathedral, Mastodon, St Vitus/Hidden Hand, Black Cobra, Death, Carcass, classic Queensryche, neurosis, Moonspell, Entombed, Cynic, Athiest, Gorguts, Nile, Paradise Lost and so on :D

Too many bands, not enough hours in the day

I take it you're an Opeth fan?

88 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:22:45am

re: #85 prononymous

I'm only a minute in, but this is fucking epic so far.

Dude, the word is so mighty


here's my favorite thing of the moment, Winos' Hidden hand

if the Sword is my id, this is the ego, it's the softer stuff, still massive, but sensitive at the same time

89 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:22:54am

re: #87 WindUpBird

I take it you're an Opeth fan?

More like old Dark Tranquillity, In Flames, etc.

90 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:24:25am

re: #89 prononymous

More like old Dark Tranquillity, In Flames, etc.

DT is good! Not really what I LIKE like, but they're GOOD. They're an old Century Media band, I know 'em


of the old Century media bands, I like Samael and The Gathering

91 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:25:36am

Like:

But also their newer stuff to a degree.

92 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:25:54am

re: #89 prononymous

I used to be into TECHNICAL shit, when I was mister prog death metal drummer, double kick everything, playing in 7/8, hyperfast prog

now I just want emotive stoner stuff. I'm done being impressive. i want beauty ^_^;

93 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:26:27am

re: #91 prononymous

yaaaagh lead tone from hell


Not my thing, too screamycrazy

Good band, though, really good

94 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:27:17am

re: #91 prononymous

My drumming style is very mid tempo, so that whole snare on all 4 thing, i can't do it anymore, I want big spacious stuff, basically classic rock with everything turned up to crazy :D

95 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:27:53am

re: #91 prononymous

buy they're a great band and you have good taste ^_^

I like guys that can PLAY

96 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:27:56am

Or from their newer stuff:

97 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:28:59am

re: #94 WindUpBird

Both my parents are musical, and much to my embarrassment I'm not. Oh well. :(

98 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:29:04am

re: #96 prononymous

this sounds Queensryche-y with death grunts, haven't heard this

99 freetoken  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:29:05am

Time magazine has lately been pushing the Rob Bell story quite a bit, including putting him on their "100" list:

Pastor Rob Bell: What if Hell Doesn't Exist?

Rob Bell's Hell: A Threat to the Evangelical Business Plan

Rob Bell

For now anyway, it looks like Rob Bell has temporarily displaced Charles Darwin off the top of the fundamentalists' list of evil people.

100 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:30:01am

re: #97 prononymous

Both my parents are musical, and much to my embarrassment I'm not. Oh well. :(

Mine weren't and I was

I literally grew up with a mother who listened to annette funicello records and had no interest in MUSIC music, so of course she raised two dirtbag kids who play three instruments apiece, ahahaha

101 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:30:40am

re: #98 WindUpBird

this sounds Queensryche-y with death grunts, haven't heard this

It's not exactly typical of their newer stuff. But they have changed a bunch over the years.

102 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:31:45am

re: #91 prononymous

you have probably already heard some Mastodon, but still, here's my favorite thing they ever did

sorry for the ad, it's worth it

103 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:32:18am

re: #101 prononymous

It's not exactly typical of their newer stuff. But they have changed a bunch over the years.

all the good bands do

Mastodon used to be sludge-death, now they're basically a classic rock band with a banjo picker doing lead :D

104 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:33:26am

re: #103 WindUpBird

all the good bands do

Mastodon used to be sludge-death, now they're basically a classic rock band with a banjo picker doing lead :D

Lol.

re: #102 WindUpBird

Indeed. Good stuff.

105 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:33:56am

re: #99 freetoken

About time, because Darwin has been dead a while. :p

106 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:34:08am

re: #104 prononymous

I am half death metal, half Pink Floyd ^_^;;

107 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:36:28am

re: #101 prononymous

here's a thing I guaratee you've never heard

And now I gotta go back and work some more

One of the greatest unknown bands, discovered by Jason Newsted

108 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:36:58am

re: #106 WindUpBird

I am half death metal, half Pink Floyd ^_^;;

I like a lot of various types of music so I rock out here quite often. But when I pick something for myself it usually sounds evil or epic.

109 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:37:39am

re: #107 WindUpBird

Have a good night. I'm out here in a bit.

110 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:38:11am

re: #108 prononymous

I like prog and hallucination and insanity :D So of course I like a lot of weird thrash and Floydey shit :D

111 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:38:20am

re: #109 prononymous

Cheers! ^_^

112 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:40:33am

brokers and athletes/with rich self-denial/I'll choose my winners by who wears the smiles


-Thought Industry, Third Eye

113 freetoken  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:54:21am
114 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:06:21am

Eat the rich

115 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:23:44am

Morning Kids

116 steve  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:26:28am

In other words: You are here

117 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:27:15am

re: #114 WindUpBird

Motorhead #1!

Semi-related:

Sloppy Seconds: Kill The Trendy

118 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:30:29am

Morning, all

119 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:33:22am

re: #114 WindUpBird

Eat the rich

[Video]

Well, that woke me up...

120 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:36:03am

Damn, more tornado warnings for me.

121 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:39:59am

re: #117 RogueOne

Motorhead #1!

Semi-related:

Sloppy Seconds: Kill The Trendy

[Video]

Actually, that sounded better than it looked.

122 freetoken  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:40:19am

re: #120 Varek Raith

Lots of storms in the past day:
[Link: www.spc.noaa.gov...]
with lots of fatalities spread around.

123 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:40:33am

re: #120 Varek Raith

Damn, more tornado warnings for me.

Shut her down and get safe.

124 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:40:57am

re: #121 researchok

Actually, that sounded better than it looked.

Sloppy Seconds always sounds better than it looks

125 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:41:54am

Who was Lawrence O'Donnell going off on last night. Was that oily taitz?

126 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:43:30am

re: #125 RogueOne

Yes it was. She wanted to talk about the social security number and Lawrence wanted to talk about the BC and he tossed her off. Ha!

127 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:43:47am

re: #125 RogueOne

Who was Lawrence O'Donnell going off on last night. Was that oily taitz?

Yup.

Made for great theater.

Why he had her on (other than ti beat her up) is beyond me

128 freetoken  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:44:20am

Yet another amazing video from yesterday, of a tornado moving through hilly country:

That's a fast moving storm!

129 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:45:55am

re: #128 freetoken

Yet another amazing video from yesterday, of a tornado moving through hilly country:

[Video]That's a fast moving storm!

The definition of raw power.

130 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:46:49am

[Link: www2.insidenova.com...]re: #123 researchok

Shut her down and get safe.

I'm good now. Storm moved off the the north.
Damn, what a freaky day. One confirmed tornado in Quantico;
[Link: www2.insidenova.com...]

And another possible one down the road from me.
And reports of 4 deaths at a trailer park in central Va.

131 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:48:53am

Spokane: the dumbest fucking town in the northwest [Link: www.upi.com...]

132 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:48:54am

re: #130 Varek Raith

[Link: www2.insidenova.com...]

I'm good now. Storm moved off the the north.
Damn, what a freaky day. One confirmed tornado in Quantico;
[Link: www2.insidenova.com...]

And another possible one down the road from me.
And reports of 4 deaths at a trailer park in central Va.

Unreal.

We're getting weather today but nothing like that.

One hell of spring.

133 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:49:43am

re: #131 WindUpBird

And I like spokane. But it is just the DUMBEST people, just hicks and rubes and bikers

Good pub there though, steam plant grill, go there

134 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:50:05am

re: #132 researchok

Unreal.

We're getting weather today but nothing like that.

One hell of spring.

gonna get worse in the coming decades :(

135 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:50:07am

re: #131 WindUpBird

I read that the other day. What a waste of time. That prosecutor needs to find another job.

136 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:50:31am

re: #129 researchok

The definition of raw power.

RAW POWER yousay!?!?!?!?!?

137 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:50:45am

re: #135 RogueOne

I read that the other day. What a waste of time. That prosecutor needs to find another job.

SPOKANE is a waste of time

138 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:51:09am

re: #129 researchok

Moar raw powar


139 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:51:41am

re: #131 WindUpBird

Spokane: the dumbest fucking town in the northwest [Link: www.upi.com...]

That city/county DA has to go.

Taxpayers deserve at the every least, consciousness on the part of their civil servants.

140 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:52:26am

Iggy is my Jesus Christ

At least he's mutilated himself enough to be


Gimme Danger, my second favorite Iggy song


You don't get to know the first, because my favorite Iggy song is only for my love :)


Look for romance, let the world burn

141 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:52:39am

re: #131 WindUpBird

Spokane: the dumbest fucking town in the northwest [Link: www.upi.com...]

WHILE JAYWALKING
/

142 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:53:54am

re: #139 researchok

That city/county DA has to go.

Taxpayers deserve at the every least, consciousness on the part of their civil servants.

That city is sorta like the closest the Northwest has to an apocalyptic city


I was waking down the street in spokane with my friend who looks like a Chinese Martial Arts Expert, and I about saw a biker fight in front of me, that town is about ready to rip itself to pieces

143 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:54:35am

re: #142 WindUpBird

That city is sorta like the closest the Northwest has to an apocalyptic city

I was waking down the street in spokane with my friend who looks like a Chinese Martial Arts Expert, and I about saw a biker fight in front of me, that town is about ready to rip itself to pieces

The TP Twilight Zone

144 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:54:37am

re: #141 Varek Raith

WHILE JAYWALKING
/

Jaywalking!

You're lucky if you go five blocks without seeing a rapist's dick in spokane


which is sorta why I love it, it's the closest the NW has to Detroit

145 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:54:44am

re: #143 researchok

The TP Twilight Zone

SO IS!

146 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:55:24am

re: #140 WindUpBird

Iggy is my Jesus Christ

At least he's mutilated himself enough to be

[Video]Gimme Danger, my second favorite Iggy song

You don't get to know the first, because my favorite Iggy song is only for my love :)

Look for romance, let the world burn

I made it halfway through.

I need more coffee.

147 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:56:04am

re: #145 WindUpBird

SO IS!

I visited there once.

That was enough.

Strange women, too.

148 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:57:07am

I gotta go

Later, all.

149 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:57:21am

re: #144 WindUpBird

friend of mine, who is sort of the kind of geek chick that you would imagine would live in Spokane (and she'd agree, she is SO very zen with Spokane, ahaha) she's butch, wears a lot of cargo pants and anime shirts, I've known her since college. She dresses less sexy than I do, and all I wear is metal tees and boots and black pants


She's been stalked a dozen times, just walking around downtown, one of them tried her door as she ran to her car


Spokane is WEIRD TIMES man, don't go out without a gun

150 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:58:13am

re: #146 researchok

I made it halfway through.

I need more coffee.

Iggy is like metal

either you worship iggy, or you think he's a heroin addicted maniac who should be put down ^_^


me, i think he is rock and roll, he IS it

151 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:01:56am

re: #147 researchok

I visited there once.

That was enough.

Strange women, too.

STRANGE EVERYTHING!

152 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:09:50am

Speaking of stupid:

Man arrested for singing 'Kung Fu Fighting'
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]


Police arrested a singer on racism charges after a man reportedly of Chinese descent complained about his performance of the song "Kung Fu Fighting," according to reports.
....
Ledger told The Sun that police called him later that evening — while he was eating at a Chinese restaurant — to arrange a meeting. It was at that meeting that police arrested him, Ledger said.

The BBC report said police released Ledger after his arrest, intending to question him further at a later date.

"An investigation into this allegation is continuing to establish the full circumstances surrounding what happened," a Hampshire Constabulary spokesman told the network.

"I thought it was a joke but they were serious," Ledger told The Sun. "They seemed pretty amazed but said the law is the law and it was their duty. It's political correctness gone potty (a British term for crazy)."

153 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:10:24am

re: #152 RogueOne

man!

if that's an arrestable offense, my karaoke bar would be in prison for life ahahahahahahaha

154 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:12:10am

re: #153 WindUpBird

man!

if that's an arrestable offense, my karaoke bar would be in prison for life ahahahahahahaha

If they had arrested him for signing disco I would have applauded but that story is crazy-stupid.

155 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:12:44am

re: #152 RogueOne

I did a death metal Paula Abdul, 140% speed and detuned, a totally not-PC-at-all drunk as fuck Kung Fu Fighting, a queer-as-hell East bound and Down, nancing about in costume on Halloween

Music is life, if I'm to be arrested, I HOPE it's from on stage. How Bowie is that? :D

156 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:13:58am

re: #150 WindUpBird

Iggy is like metal

either you worship iggy, or you think he's a heroin addicted maniac who should be put down ^_^

me, i think he is rock and roll, he IS it

There was a concert on HDNet last week and Iggy performed. My wife only knew him from the movie Cry Baby. He was performing "I wanna be your dog". She thinks there might be something wrong with him.

157 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:14:16am

re: #154 RogueOne

If they had arrested him for signing disco I would have applauded but that story is crazy-stupid.

hey now, some disco is cool

I like some abba

A friend of mine who is into the black metal, we did ourselves some Evil Abba :D Abba sung like Slayer is GOOD ABBA

The problem with being a musician is you can't hate music of any kind

I used to hate country

then I became enough of a musician that I saw the craft, and now I only hate country that has nasty politics, i fucking LOVE Hank jr

158 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:14:55am

re: #156 RogueOne

There was a concert on HDNet last week and Iggy performed. My wife only knew him from the movie Cry Baby. He was performing "I wanna be your dog". She thinks there might be something wrong with him.

I like that song a little too much *_*


it's a cover that is often performed by Joan Jett these days, she is very Out in the fetish scene ^___^

159 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:15:17am

re: #157 WindUpBird

Country music literally makes me angry. No idea why but if I'm in a bar and they start with the country music I have to leave.

160 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:15:23am

re: #156 RogueOne

really, after the track marks, what ISN'T wrong with Iggy? :D

161 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:17:56am

re: #160 WindUpBird

really, after the track marks, what ISN'T wrong with Iggy? :D

I've seen video but I never had the opportunity to see him live. He's one I would have liked to have seen.

162 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:18:43am

re: #159 RogueOne

Good country (and good bluegrass!!!) I like. Like really good clever country. Really good angry sad country. When i was still in health care, I had the opportunity to take my clients to a Charlie Daniels Band show

I was amazed! Musicianship: incredible

And they switched it up about halfway though and did a four song rock set that sounded all the world like vintage Blue Oyster Cult

this really is not country, its more grim bluegrass folk but it's sorta...related, i dunno, one of my favorite songs of all time

163 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:19:13am

re: #161 RogueOne

I've seen video but I never had the opportunity to see him live. He's one I would have liked to have seen.

oh fuck yes *_*


I'm so glad I got to see Bowie though, that's one I can check off the list

I hope to see Iggy someday *_*

164 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:19:47am

re: #159 RogueOne

I just can't deal with anyone who doesn't care about music, ya know? ^_^

165 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:22:52am

re: #164 WindUpBird

I just can't deal with anyone who doesn't care about music, ya know? ^_^

Luckily I married well. My spouse and I both listen to music more than we watch TV and, thanks to her job, she's always scoring me free concert tickets.

166 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:23:35am

re: #165 RogueOne

awesome :)

167 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:24:06am

re: #162 WindUpBird

the best thing I can say about a religious song is it makes you want to find Jesus

And that's 16hp

168 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:27:05am

McRage
Why is there so much violent crime at fast-food restaurants?
[Link: www.slate.com...]


Fast-food restaurants haven't entirely replaced banks as crime targets, and criminal activity in such places is no longer on the rise. (Crimes like this, however, are.) The Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates that the number of homicides at "limited service restaurants," which include fast-food chains like McDonald's and KFC, has declined from 35 in 2007 to 15 in 2009. But fast-food establishments like Wendy's and Burger King do see more crime than their "full-service" counterparts, like Ruby Tuesday's or the Olive Garden. BLS estimates that the rate of assaults at limited-service restaurants is more than twice as high as at full-service restaurants. Whereas sit-down restaurants had 0.8 assaults per 10,000 employees in 2009, fast-food joints had 1.8.

169 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:27:32am

I have to run folks. If I'm not back later, enjoy the rest of the day.

170 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:32:53am

re: #168 RogueOne

poor employees

poor customers

shitty area of town

PROFIT

171 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:34:05am

re: #168 RogueOne

there's this KFC on 82nd? 82nd is Portland for Hell. It's like a garbage dump in the shape of a fast food joint

I've never seen a beatdown there, but I've seen a yelling match or two

172 BongCrodny  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:38:14am

re: #167 WindUpBird

the best thing I can say about a religious song is it makes you want to find Jesus

And that's 16hp


People laugh when I tell them my favorite religious song is "Are You Drinking With Me Jesus?"

It's sacrilegeous as all get-out, but I think if Jesus were around today, that's what He's be doing: hanging out with the bums, drunks and sinners.

173 BongCrodny  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:41:27am

re: #137 WindUpBird

SPOKANE is a waste of time


"I'm Mr. Bad Example..."

174 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:43:22am

re: #172 BongCrodny

it is true :)

And also, the bums and drunks IMHo are more moral than anyone


Anyone in middle management: satan

Anyone who calls the monetary shots in a non profit: worse than satan

I figured out a while ago that people are animals, i watch how they treat each other when one is powerful and the other is disabled, seen it first hand

175 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:43:40am

re: #173 BongCrodny

"I'm Mr. Bad Example..."

intruder in the dirt

like to have a good time

don't care who gets hurt

176 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:44:21am

re: #173 BongCrodny

my favorite song off that record is woke ugly one morning

I want it played at my funeral

unless it comes true :D

177 BongCrodny  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:45:20am

re: #175 WindUpBird

intruder in the dirt

like to have a good time

don't care who gets hurt


I always liked the fact that he pronounced Spokane correctly. :-)

178 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:45:44am

re: #177 BongCrodny

I always liked the fact that he pronounced Spokane correctly. :-)

auctioned off every last
naughahyde divan

179 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:46:12am

re: #177 BongCrodny

Spokane isn't the canary in the coal mine for tourist pronunciation

Puyallup is :D

180 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:46:43am

re: #179 WindUpBird

PY-Ah LUP

wrong

POO-ALUP

wong

181 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:51:42am

Holy crap birthers are dumb:


I got the pdf from the White House website, opened it with Acrobat reader, copied the image, pasted it into Word, and an image appeared with most of the text gone and white lines where it should be. I think it’s a fake guys.

Copying and pasting a PDF into word? How is that a test for genuineness?

What spoobs.

182 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:53:36am

re: #181 Obdicut

Holy crap birthers are dumb:

Copying and pasting a PDF into word? How is that a test for genuineness?

What spoobs.

LAYERS!

183 BongCrodny  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:54:04am

re: #174 WindUpBird

it is true :)

And also, the bums and drunks IMHo are more moral than anyone

Anyone in middle management: satan

Anyone who calls the monetary shots in a non profit: worse than satan

I figured out a while ago that people are animals, i watch how they treat each other when one is powerful and the other is disabled, seen it first hand


Wish I could agree with you there.

My dad was a drunk, and during the worst of it, there wasn't much that was moral about him.

I'll always honor and cherish the fact that he turned it around toward the end of his life, but with me it's definitely been a case of being able to forgive but not forget.

184 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:02:36am

re: #183 BongCrodny

Wish I could agree with you there.

My dad was a drunk, and during the worst of it, there wasn't much that was moral about him.

I'll always honor and cherish the fact that he turned it around toward the end of his life, but with me it's definitely been a case of being able to forgive but not forget.

My dad drank a lot too! His drink was the rusty nail, and it's now one of mine. Like dad, like kid. But he's a happy silly drunk, we made stuff together, we built RC cars together, we read encyclopedias together, he's a great guy who likes booze. Like me!

it's what I learned in health care that showed me the face of evil :(

heracrhies, organizations of insulated power structures, nobody is responsible, and mean people in bad jobs taking out their frustrations of helpless and powerless people

185 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:03:46am

re: #183 BongCrodny

but condolences about your dad

I had good parents, Bad bad bad experiences with people who weren't my parents, but at least my parents gave me some tools to deal.

186 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:03:54am

Who else watched "South Park" last night?

187 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:11:05am

re: #186 Alouette

I haven't watched that show in ages. I don't know why, the appeal just fell off the roof for me.

188 laZardo  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:13:11am
189 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:14:01am

re: #188 laZardo

I'm already into Skin Deep. [Link: www.skindeepcomic.com...] best webcomic on the web :)

190 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:14:28am

re: #186 Alouette

I was busy gettin' drunk

I do love Trey and Matt, they're good folks ^__^

191 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:15:08am

re: #188 laZardo

and I am immediately confused.

192 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:15:35am

re: #187 Obdicut

I haven't watched that show in ages. I don't know why, the appeal just fell off the roof for me.

I never watched it regularly, I watch an episode now and again, one every month

And I have Windy to guide me to the best ones :D

193 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:16:36am

re: #190 WindUpBird

I was busy gettin' drunk

I do love Trey and Matt, they're good folks ^__^

Apple Corp. kidnapped Kyle and made him the middle section of the HumanCentiPadTM

194 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:17:56am

re: #192 WindUpBird

I'm more of a [Link: www.homestarrunner.com...] and, on the opposite side of the spectrum,

195 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:18:17am

re: #191 Obdicut

oh dude, MS Paint Adventures is a big deal


it's sort of a new watershed moment for webcomics, (much like Penny Arcade was, a long time ago) he's making a living off it, it's multimedia, he has people composing music for him, he does storytelling Flash anims


Andrew Hussie and MSpaint, that's a big deal to me. I don't even read the comic. But it's my business to know what the State Of The Art Is in independent media, and he is that

196 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:18:35am

re: #193 Alouette

Apple Corp. kidnapped Kyle and made him the middle section of the HumanCentiPadTM

I have to watch this *_*

197 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:19:21am

re: #194 Obdicut

I am the biggest archer fan on earth, I was a Sealab fan :D


Pam and Krieger! my favorites!

198 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:19:45am

re: #194 Obdicut

Pam with the rasta dreads

I about choked from laughing

199 laZardo  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:23:21am

re: #191 Obdicut

and I am immediately confused.

Be sure to start from the front page for Homestuck. It's been going on for 2 years and more than 3700 "screens" rather than pages, including interactive flashes, so it'll take some time to really get into.

If you'd like something shorter though, just do Problem Sleuth.

200 hellosnackbar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:23:33am

#60 free token,
Brian Cox's Wonders of the Universe was exactly that a homage to Carl Sagan.
He was a primary influence on young Brian to take up theoretical physics.
Now Brian is effectively following
Carl with a plethora of excellent science programs.
Another tele physicist is Prof Jim Al Khalili; who's seminal series Atom brings to
the fore the genius of Paul Dirac;(Feynmann's hero)who for some strange reason is almost unheard of outside the esoteric circle of theoretical physicists.
Dirac was the person who theorised the reality of antimatter from his equation.
Now we have PET(positron emission tomography)
He was a colleague of Enrico Fermi who when shown Dirac's equation and asked for his opinion replied;If it's alright with Dirac it's alright with me.
Brian Cox was the keyboard player for the band D ream;but had the sense not to give up his day job.
Recently Brian Cox met Brian May(guitarist of talent) on
Patrick Moore's Sky at Night along with the astronomer royal Sir Martin Rees.
Rees looked at May(now a Ph.D; having completed his astrophysics thesis
30 or more years after he started it)and said" you look like Isaac Newton's double.!"

201 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:24:13am

re: #193 Alouette

did you ever see my favorite ep of South Park? The Heavy Metal:the Movie episode?

202 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:24:49am

re: #199 laZardo

that guy is a visionary genius


and all it takes to be a visionary is to be a weirdo with persistence and some talent for storytelling ^_^

203 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:26:44am

re: #201 WindUpBird

did you ever see my favorite ep of South Park? The Heavy Metal:the Movie episode?

[Video]

My favorite SP is "Tolerance Death Camp." Zedushka's is "The Runaway Penis"

204 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:30:39am

re: #203 Alouette

TOLERANCE DEATH CAMP! well done ^__^
Anything with garrison, I love

205 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:34:53am

I hear chirping voices and the patter of tiny feet. Yes, it is BRING YOUR CHILD TO WORK DAY.

206 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:57:21am

re: #205 Alouette

I work at home and my kids are off on spring break. So it is "send your kids outside to play so you can work day" for me.

207 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:58:17am
208 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:58:25am

RE: the nirthtifikit

209 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:59:08am

re: #205 Alouette

I hear chirping voices and the patter of tiny feet. Yes, it is BRING YOUR CHILD TO WORK DAY.

I'm so sorry x

210 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:01:39am

re: #207 reine.de.tout

Any word on the news or the web on what God is punishing us for? I suspect that multiple explanations have been offered...

211 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:04:33am

I have a more minor bad news here too. The Wahabi from earlier? He won the the MSA president position with no opposing candidates.

212 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:04:58am

re: #207 reine.de.tout

Went up on the roof of a friends apartment building to watch the storm pass by Richmond (wasn't in danger, storms were north).

Bubkes. We saw Bubkes.

Now after seeing pictures of the storm's path? Bubkes is my friend.

213 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:05:22am

re: #208 wozzablog

Romulan Wingnut.


(comment fail)

214 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:06:39am

I wasn't around yesterday for the birther thang.

I think Obama was crazy for putting it out. Personally, the whole idea had me mocking the right.

215 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:06:42am

re: #209 wozzablog

I'm so sorry x

I didn't bring any of my kids to work. Mainly because they all have jobs of their own to go to. :)

The last time I participated in this blow-off day and total waste of productive time and company resources, my kids were teenagers. My daughters got bored very quickly and went off and spent the rest of the day at the mall. In fact the only reason they came in the first place was (1) a day off from school (2) I worked right next door to the mall.

My son took the day very seriously. He gathered up his portfolio and spend the day with the graphics design team.

216 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:07:51am

re: #211 ProLifeLiberal


We fund the spread of Wahabism every time we purchase oil from Saudi Arabia. What do we expect? Sort of like we fund terrorists every time we purchase drugs.

217 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:09:27am

re: #215 Alouette

I didn't bring any of my kids to work. Mainly because they all have jobs of their own to go to. :)

The last time I participated in this blow-off day and total waste of productive time and company resources, my kids were teenagers. My daughters got bored very quickly and went off and spent the rest of the day at the mall. In fact the only reason they came in the first place was (1) a day off from school (2) I worked right next door to the mall.

My son took the day very seriously. He gathered up his portfolio and spend the day with the graphics design team.

As long as it's not all rowdy and kids screaming x

218 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:11:12am

re: #216 ralphieboy

Yeah, I know. Doesn't make it feel any better or right though. Those guys have screwed up Islam, and it makes me angry.

219 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:16:07am

re: #214 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I wasn't around yesterday for the birther thang.

I think Obama was crazy for putting it out. Personally, the whole idea had me mocking the right.

Obama used his presser as an opportunity to bash the media, destroy the "carnival barkers" and try to refocus on the agenda of the economy.

I wouldn't have done it - but it turns the media away from asking for it to why Trump whet after it so veheremently when it is "now" so obviously a lie.

220 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:19:49am

Morning Honcos.
Woke up this morning to the most God awful voice of a woman being interviewed on my radio. T'was Pammy. I need a longer Q tip.

221 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:21:56am

I'm at my shop waiting for another meeting....bored. How goes the day?

222 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:22:23am

re: #218 ProLifeLiberal

Yeah, I know. Doesn't make it feel any better or right though. Those guys have screwed up Islam, and it makes me angry.

Instead of being in a position to apply economic or social pressure on Muslim nations to reform we are effecting just the opposite. Muslim nations are in a position to put economic pressure on us to accept their bakward approach.

And when democratic movements get started, people like Pat Robertson complain because it strengthens the Muslim Brotherhood.

223 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:22:49am

re: #220 Cannadian Club Akbar

Morning Honcos.
Woke up this morning to the most God awful voice of a woman being interviewed on my radio. T'was Pammy. I need a longer Q tip.

Image: P2920e24e_dynamit.jpg
Works wonders for stuff stuck in your head.
/:)

224 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:24:39am

re: #219 wozzablog


I really liked the Hardball interview: he treated those guys like what they are - bullies. They use the same approach, picking on someone and then claiming they "didn't really mean it".

In fact Chris matthews even applied the same methods a schoolteacher might use on the playground: asking "How would you feel if someone did that to you?".

And they went away smirking just like unrepentant bullies.

225 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:25:34am

re: #218 ProLifeLiberal

Yeah, I know. Doesn't make it feel any better or right though. Those guys have screwed up Islam, and it makes me angry.

Screwed up Islam?

226 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:28:03am

re: #225 RogueOne

Screwed up Islam?

They have brought out its worst aspects. Eveery religion has its good and bad sides, and under Wahabism, Islam has become even more fundamentalist.

227 laZardo  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:28:33am

re: #222 ralphieboy

And when democratic movements get started, people like Pat Robertson complain because it strengthens the Muslim Brotherhood.

That's what they use the money for. The "dictators" they don't like just happen to be relatively secular.

228 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:30:16am

portland!

The City of Portland and FBI have decided not to enter into a Memorandum of Understanding for the JTTF, but the City will be cooperating with the JTTF according to the terms of a Resolution.
Mayor Sam Adams released a final draft JTTF resolution in advance of the Thursday, April 28 Portland City Council hearing—scheduled for 2 pm in Council Chambers.

In the week since Mayor Adams released a draft resolution for public comment, Commissioner Randy Leonard has taken the lead on working with stakeholders to refine language in the resolution that specifies how Portland Police officers can work with the JTTF.

The revised proposal seeks to balance the three goals set out at the beginning of the JTTF process: Effectively prevent and investigate criminal acts of terrorism, protect individuals’ rights under United States and Oregon law, and keep Portland an open and inclusive community.

“The city will be well served by this agreement,” Mayor Sam Adams said. “I want to thank Commissioner Leonard for taking on the challenge of refining the language in the draft resolution.”

The final draft resolution specifies that “PPB officers shall work with the JTTF only on investigations of suspected terrorism that have a criminal nexus; in situations where the statutory or common law of Oregon is more restrictive of law enforcement than comparable federal law, the investigative methods employed by PPB officers working on JTTF investigations shall conform to the requirements of such Oregon statutes or common law.”

The final draft resolution also includes a new clause that states: “the City of Portland and FBI have decided not to enter into a Memorandum of Understanding for the JTTF, but the City will be cooperating with the JTTF according to the terms of this Resolution.”

The draft SOP Exhibit A is removed from the final draft resolution. The final draft resolution calls on the Portland Police Bureau to adopt “publicly available administrative polices and procedures consistent with this Resolution.”

good for us, fuck 'em they do nothing for us

229 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:31:14am

re: #228 WindUpBird

we have REAL civilian oversight. We don't time for this shit :-)

230 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:32:12am

re: #215 Alouette

My son took the day very seriously. He gathered up his portfolio and spend the day with the graphics design team.

Your son sounds oddly familiar ^__^

231 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:33:39am

re: #227 laZardo

That's what they use the money for. The "dictators" they don't like just happen to be relatively secular.

We are going to see the same thing with Turkey: a choice beween a secular military dictatorship or an Islamist democracy. That is what we had in Iran under the Shah, in Iraq under Saddam, Egypt under Mubarak and in Libya under Qadaffi.

The Saudis are playing a tricky balancing act: remaining relatively secular in many ways but tolerating and even promoting fundamentalist Islamic teaching. It is about to backfire on them.

232 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:36:11am

re: #226 ralphieboy

They have brought out its worst aspects. Eveery religion has its good and bad sides, and under Wahabism, Islam has become even more fundamentalist.

I'm fairly confident that the keepers of Mecca have a pretty good grasp of sunni Islam. Nothing personal but one of my minor pet peeves is listening to american/euro converts try to explain that somehow the saudi's are "doing it wrong". That's like telling the vatican they don't really understand Catholicism.

233 laZardo  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:36:16am

re: #231 ralphieboy

The Saudis are playing a tricky balancing act: remaining relatively secular in many ways but tolerating and even promoting fundamentalist Islamic teaching. It is about to backfire on them.

I doubt it. They know the secular bits are just for show, as long as Mecca is in their boundaries. Once the region starts to "fall in line," then they'll be a little less two-faced about it.

234 laZardo  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:36:49am

re: #232 RogueOne

I'm fairly confident that the keepers of Mecca have a pretty good grasp of sunni Islam. Nothing personal but one of my minor pet peeves is listening to american/euro converts try to explain that somehow the saudi's are "doing it wrong". That's like telling the vatican they don't really understand Catholicism.

P(artial)GMTA

235 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:39:50am

re: #230 WindUpBird

Your son sounds oddly familiar ^__^

Bob?

237 Lidane  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:43:20am

re: #15 Gus 802

Another boring LNDT. Sad really. Later.

LNDT? What's that? Google is no help.

238 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:43:47am

re: #233 laZardo

As long as those who practice and regulate the practice of Islam are convinced that it is the literal and unchanging word of Allah, they will not be able to change or adapt to fit the modern age.

It took Christianity until the Englightenment to understand that the Holy Scriptures are the work of humans - they might well be diviniely inspired, but they are the product of their times and of their social and political situation.

Most of the Islamic world has failed to make this leap, and there are few signs that it going to change any time soon.

239 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:43:50am

re: #237 Lidane

LNDT? What's that? Google is no help.

Late night drinking thread.

240 laZardo  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:44:03am

re: #237 Lidane

LNDT? What's that? Google is no help.

Late Night Dead Thread.

/or in my case, MAD (Mid Afternoon Dead) Thread

241 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:44:40am

re: #240 laZardo

Late Night Dead Thread.

/or in my case, MAD (Mid Afternoon Dead) Thread

Have any Birfers showed up on previous threads?

242 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:44:47am

re: #232 RogueOne

Thing here is the fact that the Ottoman Empire saw Wahhabism as an aberration. Also, Wahhabism has led to the death of untold thousands, starting with the sack of Karbala in 1801. In any case, Saudi Arabia is the core of the problem. Also the Hashemites ruled the Hijaz (area with Mecca and Medina) for hundreds of years before the Sauds sacked it. So, I would trust the Hashemites more on this matter.

243 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:45:17am

re: #240 laZardo

Late Night Dead Thread.

/or in my case, MAD (Mid Afternoon Dead) Thread


Better than a GWFW (global warming flame war) thread

244 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:45:54am

I think I've told the story here about an impromptu debate between my father (a preacher) and a couple of imams while visiting relatives in Jeddah? They were all very polite, even asking for permission to come visit and debate before showing up, but I was honestly a bit freaked that I was about to get tossed in a saudi jail.

245 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:47:29am

re: #238 ralphieboy

The Muslim World did have the Muslim Golden Age. Unfortunately, the Mongols kinda killed it, along with many of its advances.

246 darthstar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:48:12am

re: #244 RogueOne

I think a Saudi jail would look good on you Rogue...good morning.

247 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:48:26am

re: #244 RogueOne

I would have asked for an application to become a head chopper.

248 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:48:55am

re: #242 ProLifeLiberal

Thing here is the fact that the Ottoman Empire saw Wahhabism as an aberration. Also, Wahhabism has led to the death of untold thousands, starting with the sack of Karbala in 1801. In any case, Saudi Arabia is the core of the problem. Also the Hashemites ruled the Hijaz (area with Mecca and Medina) for hundreds of years before the Sauds sacked it. So, I would trust the Hashemites more on this matter.

How can the Saudi's be the "core" of the problem if Wahhabism was in extent in 1801? Saudi Arabia was founded in 1932. Saudi Arabia may be perpetrating and extending the problem... but they are not the "core." The radical aspects of Wahhabist Islam was in place long before Saudi Arabia.

249 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:49:19am

re: #242 ProLifeLiberal

Thing here is the fact that the Ottoman Empire saw Wahhabism as an aberration. Also, Wahhabism has led to the death of untold thousands, starting with the sack of Karbala in 1801. In any case, Saudi Arabia is the core of the problem. Also the Hashemites ruled the Hijaz (area with Mecca and Medina) for hundreds of years before the Sauds sacked it. So, I would trust the Hashemites more on this matter.

The Hashemites were given the eastern part of the Palestine Mandate as a "consolation prize" for their patrimony being given away to the Saud gang of caravan robbers.

Give Arabia back to the Hashemites. Give Jordan to the Palestinians.

The flag of Hejaz. Look familiar?

250 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:49:22am

re: #237 Lidane

LNDT? What's that? Google is no help.

Yeah. What they said, "late night drinking thread." I probably shouldn't have said that but what the hay.

251 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:50:33am

re: #236 Varek Raith

Eric Bolling And The Case Of The Time Traveling Doctor
Lol

Disgusting. Such sick people. This is never going to end -- especially with Fox News fanning the flames.

252 Lidane  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:51:41am

re: #186 Alouette

Who else watched "South Park" last night?

I did. I laughed my ass off and I cringed. OMG.

Trey Parker and Matt Stone are demented, funny bastards.

253 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:51:59am

re: #246 darthstar

I think a Saudi jail would look good on you Rogue...good morning.

My brother tried to sneak in off a US naval ship to visit and got caught. They took him and my brother-in-law to the local police station, it's one of his funniest stories. Everyone screaming in a language he didn't understand and him continually repeating "U.S. Embassy!".

254 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:52:28am

re: #251 Gus 802

Disgusting. Such sick people. This is never going to end -- especially with Fox News fanning the flames.

Speaking of sick, disgusting people...

Yoo: President Can Slaughter Village, But Not Force Disclosure Of Political Donations

255 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:52:46am

re: #248 Walter L. Newton

What we are seeing is the 3rd incarnation of the Saudi State. It has existed twice before. The first time, the Ottomans and Egyptians destroyed it. The second one fell because of internal collapse. It has existed off-and-on for about 270 years.

256 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:53:34am

re: #254 Varek Raith

Speaking of sick, disgusting people...

Yoo: President Can Slaughter Village, But Not Force Disclosure Of Political Donations

Good God. Yoo of all people. What a repulsive slime ball.

257 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:54:14am

re: #249 Alouette

Palestinians have lived in the area that is Israel since the Crusader States disappeared. What about them?

258 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:55:16am

re: #257 ProLifeLiberal

Palestinians have lived in the area that is Israel since the Crusader States disappeared. What about them?

Jews have lived in the area that is Israel since before the Roman conquest. What about them?

259 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:55:36am

re: #254 Varek Raith

Someone doesn't understand the difference between the presidents authority as commander-in-chief and a US citizens 1st amendment rights.

260 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:55:47am

re: #235 Alouette

Bob?

I had a big portfolio, made design pieces, illustration pieces, schlepped them around to design firms in seattle. Rocked the Photoshop, the Freehand, the Illustrator, the 3dsMax. Rejected every one. rejected a thousand times. :-) I used to change adult diapers for pocket change. yet here i am with a living off art, 20 years later.

Art is life, if your son is an artist, tell him this: persistence is all. That's the only advice I have that matters.

261 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:55:50am

Death toll stands at 202 in six states from this tornado outbreak.
Damn

262 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:56:00am

re: #244 RogueOne

*Cough* Your father is a preacher? I've heard about those preacher kids.

263 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:56:53am

re: #258 Alouette

Jews have lived in the area that is Israel since before the Roman conquest. What about them?

They don't count... you know that :)
//

264 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:57:22am

re: #261 Varek Raith

tornadoes scares me almost as much as water

and water scares me more than anything

265 Interesting Times  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:57:32am

re: #256 Gus 802

Good God. Yoo of all people. What a repulsive slime ball.

Fuck Yoo.

266 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:57:34am

re: #258 Alouette

Jews have lived in the area that is Israel since before the Roman conquest. What about them?


Rome dispersed them. They settled in Europe. Hitler ran them out of Europe. The UN resettled them. The rest is an ongoing political/religious clusterf*ck that will not abate in our lifetime.

267 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:57:52am

re: #257 ProLifeLiberal

Palestinians have lived in the area that is Israel since the Crusader States disappeared. What about them?

They get the eastern portion of Palestine, which has been the artificial construct called "Jordan." Why is that a bad deal?

268 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:58:07am

re: #256 Gus 802

Good God. Yoo of all people. What a repulsive slime ball.

I've hated Yoo for years!

269 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:58:31am

re: #258 Alouette

To be blunt here. It is morally reprehensible to think that forcing out an entire group on basis of ethnicity or otherwise is wrong. Again, about the Temple Mount:

A public opinion poll in Israel showed the 50% of Israelis believe that the Temple should be rebuilt. The poll was conducted by channel 99, the government owned Knesset channel, in advance of the 9th day of the Hebrew month of Av on which Jews mark the destruction of both the first and second Temples that both stood at this site.

270 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:58:34am

re: #262 prairiefire

*Cough* Your father is a preacher? I've heard about those preacher kids.

It's true. My first year of college was spent at a private christian university (free ride!). Near the end of the year the dean of students called me into his office and told me everyone felt like it would be best if I didn't come back. No exaggeration, I was told on almost a daily basis "You're going to hell but we're praying for you anyway".

271 McSpiff  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:58:46am

re: #268 WindUpBird

Just followed you on the twitter.

272 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:58:54am

re: #255 ProLifeLiberal

What we are seeing is the 3rd incarnation of the Saudi State. It has existed twice before. The first time, the Ottomans and Egyptians destroyed it. The second one fell because of internal collapse. It has existed off-and-on for about 270 years.

I was under the impression you were referring to "The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia" when you used the term "Saud." My mistake. Evidently you meant to say "The House of Saud."

273 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:58:57am

re: #265 publicityStunted

Fuck Yoo.

I see you driving 'round town
With the girl i love and i'm like,
Fuck Yoo!
Oo, oo, ooo
I guess the change in my pocket
Wasn't enough i'm like,
Fuck Yoo!
...

/

274 laZardo  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:58:59am

re: #257 ProLifeLiberal

Palestinians have lived in the area that is Israel since the Crusader States disappeared. What about them?

They could've walked away with 50-50 (and most of the Jewish part being the barren Negev) on their side of the Mandate, but nooo~

275 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:59:15am

re: #266 ralphieboy

Rome dispersed them. They settled in Europe. Hitler ran them out of Europe. The UN resettled them. The rest is an ongoing political/religious clusterf*ck that will not abate in our lifetime.

It's all the Juice fault for not just laying down to die.
//

276 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:59:25am

re: #264 WindUpBird

tornadoes scares me almost as much as water

and water scares me more than anything

I've been in a strong F-0 tornado. Which was scary as hell.
Of course, F-0 is weaksauce in the ranks of tornadoes.

277 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:59:30am

re: #267 Alouette

Because hundreds of thousands will be forced out of homes they have been in for generations without compensation.

278 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:59:41am

re: #270 RogueOne

My first three years of college were at a private Christian university ^_^

279 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:59:53am

re: #268 WindUpBird

I've hated Yoo for years!

I tried to be impartial back in the day. But with this I think it's fitting to say "fuck Yoo." He's gone wingnut like the rest of them.

280 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:00:06am

re: #270 RogueOne


Could not resist

281 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:00:27am

re: #266 ralphieboy

Rome dispersed them. They settled in Europe. Hitler ran them out of Europe. The UN resettled them. The rest is an ongoing political/religious clusterf*ck that will not abate in our lifetime.

There has always been a Jewish presence in the area.

282 laZardo  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:00:30am

Brb shower.

Gotta love Manila summer. :3

283 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:00:30am

re: #269 ProLifeLiberal

To be blunt here. It is morally reprehensible to think that forcing out an entire group on basis of ethnicity or otherwise is wrong. Again, about the Temple Mount:

I did not say anything about forcing out an entire group on the basis of ethnicity or otherwise.

284 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:00:34am

re: #272 Walter L. Newton

Still ruled by the same family. Just different incarnations of the same virus.

285 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:00:34am

re: #271 McSpiff

Just followed you on the twitter.

hahah I'm sorry


It ain't the me you see here, it's a lot nastier, and more the real me ._.

286 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:00:48am

re: #278 WindUpBird

My first three years of college were at a private Christian university ^_^

brothers in arms!

287 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:00:54am

re: #277 ProLifeLiberal

Because hundreds of thousands will be forced out of homes they have been in for generations without compensation.

Show me where I have said anything about forcing anyone out of homes.

288 McSpiff  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:01:10am

re: #270 RogueOne

It's true. My first year of college was spent at a private christian university (free ride!). Near the end of the year the dean of students called me into his office and told me everyone felt like it would be best if I didn't come back. No exaggeration, I was told on almost a daily basis "You're going to hell but we're praying for you anyway".

Met a preacher's daughter and her friends out for her Bachorlette one night. Felt bad for her fiance...

289 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:01:35am

re: #279 Gus 802

I tried to be impartial back in the day. But with this I think it's fitting to say "fuck Yoo." He's gone wingnut like the rest of them.

People are animals


myself included

We're all just beasts getting our needs met, ya know? The more I understand that, the better I do. The more money I make, and the more at peace with myself I am

290 McSpiff  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:01:46am

re: #285 WindUpBird

hahah I'm sorry

It ain't the me you see here, it's a lot nastier, and more the real me ._.

Charles keeps us all in line...

291 Interesting Times  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:02:04am

re: #285 WindUpBird

hahah I'm sorry

It ain't the me you see here, it's a lot nastier, and more the real me ._.

Why else do you think I just starting following you as well? ;)

It was the Ayn Rand/thighs comment. Oh, how I wish I could repeat it here...

292 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:02:28am

re: #291 publicityStunted

Why else do you think I just starting following you as well? ;)

It was the Ayn Rand/thighs comment. Oh, how I wish I could repeat it here...

That one made me laugh.
:)

293 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:03:14am

re: #288 McSpiff

Met a preacher's daughter and her friends out for her Bachorlette one night. Felt bad for her fiance...

In terms of women it was one of the most successful years of my life. "I want to be a preacher and I think I love you" and off came the pants! Shockingly easy.

294 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:03:31am

re: #286 RogueOne

brothers in arms!

I hope you like that dire Straits song

because that song makes me cry sometimes :)


but yeah, if we have a conversation privately (which I am happy to do!) I got some stories about my interesting world of going from private Christian U to weirdo Art School, what a ride!

295 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:03:43am

re: #290 McSpiff

Charles keeps us all in line...

on a grid :)

296 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:03:48am

GO AWAY!
[Link: www.weather.com...]

297 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:04:05am

I understand albusteve more and more every day


He's the Warren Zevon of this place

298 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:04:18am

re: #293 RogueOne

All Catholic girls dream of seducing a priest at some point or another...

299 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:04:29am

re: #283 Alouette

Sorry, I misintrepreted. I'm very used to dealing with extremes (lived in Colorado Springs), so I automatically jumped to the worst possible conclusion.

In any case, I'd prefer if Jordan and the Hijaz were fused. That as much of my idea on the Arab States as I'm giving right now.

300 McSpiff  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:04:30am

re: #293 RogueOne

In terms of women it was one of the most successful years of my life. "I want to be a preacher and I think I love you" and off came the pants! Shockingly easy.

Scribbles into little black book...

301 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:04:42am

re: #294 WindUpBird

I hope you like that dire Straits song

because that song makes me cry sometimes :)

but yeah, if we have a conversation privately (which I am happy to do!) I got some stories about my interesting world of going from private Christian U to weirdo Art School, what a ride!

I bet. I started taking night courses at UT just to hang out with normal people for awhile.

302 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:04:49am

re: #291 publicityStunted

thanks ^_^;

(I am very mean and sorta broken, and I just do what I do)

304 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:05:51am

re: #289 WindUpBird

People are animals

myself included

We're all just beasts getting our needs met, ya know? The more I understand that, the better I do. The more money I make, and the more at peace with myself I am

"Nobody's perfect." /

305 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:06:07am

re: #303 Lidane


We all know that George W. Bush got into Priceton entirely on his own academic merits...

306 Lidane  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:06:13am
307 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:06:33am

re: #299 ProLifeLiberal

Sorry, I misintrepreted. I'm very used to dealing with extremes (lived in Colorado Springs), so I automatically jumped to the worst possible conclusion.

In any case, I'd prefer if Jordan and the Hijaz were fused. That as much of my idea on the Arab States as I'm giving right now.

Jordan is a totally articifial political entity created to appease the Hashemites after the British gave away the Hejaz to their rivals, the Sauds.

308 McSpiff  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:06:51am

re: #294 WindUpBird

I hope you like that dire Straits song

because that song makes me cry sometimes :)

but yeah, if we have a conversation privately (which I am happy to do!) I got some stories about my interesting world of going from private Christian U to weirdo Art School, what a ride!

I was going to make lunch, but maybe a little Dire Straits first...

309 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:07:00am

re: #294 WindUpBird

I hope you like that dire Straits song

because that song makes me cry sometimes :)

Dire Straits - if there was ever proof that feelings lurk even in seemingly conventional, safe, middle-everything people (like me!), they are it.

Espresso Love has the single greatest count-in in the history of music.

310 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:07:43am

re: #301 RogueOne

I bet. I started taking night courses at UT just to hang out with normal people for awhile.

hahahahah

I had friends who dealt drugs when i was in school, so that was my normal

then I got to art school, and I was NO LONGER COOL! I was so nerdy conmpared to the tattooed Seattle piercing guys, the mighty 6'8" black dudes, the clever lesbians, and the gay guys who were hotter than the sun

I just sat in the back with my heavy metal t-shirts, drawing a lot and trying not to get hit ^_^

311 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:08:18am

I've got an odd 9am-2pm shift today... they are actually going to let me in the store when there are normal people shopping... horrors all around.

312 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:08:34am

re: #308 McSpiff

Brothers in Arms, then just play On Every Street on a loop for hours


and you have a couple of bus trips I took. :-)

313 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:08:42am

What. The. Fuck.

Oklahoma lawmakers approve life sentence for cooking hashish

A bill that mandates a sentence of up to life in prison for converting marijuana or marijuana oil into hashish is heading to Oklahoma Governor Mary Fallin's (R) desk after being passed by the state Legislature on Monday.

House Bill 1798 makes the conviction of a first time offense of manufacturing hashish a felony with a prison mandatory minimum sentence of two years and a maximum sentence of life in prison.

Hashish is made by compressing and heating glandular hairs from marijuana plants known as "kief." Chemical solvents can also be used to extract the psychoactive components of the marijuana plant, resulting in hash oil...

314 Interesting Times  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:09:12am

re: #302 WindUpBird

By the way, I only use this username on LGF. But if you look at your recent followers, it should be fairly easy to tell which one is me (I don't want to outright repeat my twitter username here because of the #$%*ing stalkers)

315 McSpiff  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:09:31am

re: #307 Alouette

Jordan is a totally articifial political entity created to appease the Hashemites after the British gave away the Hejaz to their rivals, the Sauds.

Is there any ME state that isn't to some degree or another an artificial entity?

316 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:09:33am

I don't want people to get the wrong idea. I'm pure atheist but I've met tons of really good religious people, both muslim and christian. My best friend from HS is a preacher and my best friend now is a deacon. Religion just isn't my cup of tea, no harm no foul.

317 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:10:03am

re: #311 Walter L. Newton

I've got an odd 9am-2pm shift today... they are actually going to let me in the store when there are normal people shopping... horrors all around.

ever met a nurse who does three graves, then two days? On call? Without enough sleep?

Keep your guard up and expect a right hook

318 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:10:15am

re: #314 publicityStunted

By the way, I only use this username on LGF. But if you look at your recent followers, it should be fairly easy to tell which one is me (I don't want to outright repeat my twitter username here because of the #$%*ing stalkers)

I'll find you :D

319 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:10:36am

re: #313 Gus 802


Hash oil is a class A controlled substance in the UK, on the same level as heroin or cocaine.

320 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:11:07am

re: #313 Gus 802

never leave the west coast


That is SURVIVAL, my friend :(

321 Lidane  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:11:08am

re: #313 Gus 802

What. The. Fuck.

Oklahoma lawmakers approve life sentence for cooking hashish

That can't possibly pass constitutional muster.

Also, I'll bet the same idiots passing this law also complain about prison overcrowding without any sense of irony.

322 McSpiff  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:11:17am

re: #319 ralphieboy

Hash oil is a class A controlled substance in the UK, on the same level as heroin or cocaine.

And this folks is why we need better drug education in schools.

323 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:11:23am

re: #319 ralphieboy

Hash oil is a class A controlled substance in the UK, on the same level as heroin or cocaine.

Insanity.

324 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:11:31am

re: #319 ralphieboy

Hash oil is a class A controlled substance in the UK, on the same level as heroin or cocaine.

I see why people commit suicide

325 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:11:52am

re: #323 Gus 802

Insanity.

America

326 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:11:54am

re: #317 WindUpBird

ever met a nurse who does three graves, then two days? On call? Without enough sleep?

Keep your guard up and expect a right hook

I worked in IT at a hospital in Dallas... third shift... weird vibes on third shift at a hospital. Sort of like a slow moving horror movie.

327 laZardo  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:12:33am

re: #306 Lidane

Also, hahahaha:

Does Portal 2 Promote a Secret Gay Agenda? ChristWire Thinks So.

You'd think maybe they'd gotten the hints about 'gay robots' in Transformers.

I mean c'mon, how do you think they give themselves oil changes?

328 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:12:38am

re: #321 Lidane

That can't possibly pass constitutional muster.

Also, I'll bet the same idiots passing this law also complain about prison overcrowding without any sense of irony.

prison costs was the underlying reason behind the recent push in IN to lower the drug sentences. Prosecutors freaked and it went nowhere.

329 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:12:41am

re: #321 Lidane

That can't possibly pass constitutional muster.

Also, I'll bet the same idiots passing this law also complain about prison overcrowding without any sense of irony.


And cut funds for building or maintaining prisons.

330 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:12:41am

re: #325 WindUpBird

America

The Republican Party must be stopped. They can take their authoritarianism and shove it up their...

331 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:12:58am

re: #307 Alouette

Part of Syria and Beirut Vilayets to be precise. If you can see my thought processes, you maybe be able to figure out what I want to have happen in this region of the Arab World.

332 McSpiff  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:13:01am

re: #329 ralphieboy

And cut funds for building or maintaining prisons.

Privatize!

333 laZardo  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:13:14am

re: #330 Gus 802

The Republican Party must be stopped. They can take their authoritarianism and shove it up their...

...shiny metal

oh wait that's for kissing

334 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:13:26am

re: #329 ralphieboy

And cut funds for building or maintaining prisons.

But they're all funding McPrisons. America, home of the largest prison population.

335 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:13:57am

re: #328 RogueOne

prison costs was the underlying reason behind the recent push in IN to lower the drug sentences. Prosecutors freaked and it went nowhere.


In Arizona, they wanted law and Order and Low Taxes. They got Sherrif Joe Arpaio and his tent cities in the desert outside Phoenix.

336 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:13:59am

re: #315 McSpiff

Egypt?

337 Lidane  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:15:11am

re: #328 RogueOne

prison costs was the underlying reason behind the recent push in IN to lower the drug sentences. Prosecutors freaked and it went nowhere.

If we just reserved prison for violent offenders, it would ease the burden so much.

Put non-violent drug offenders in rehab or halfway houses where they get their GED and/or learn a trade. There's no reason someone should be in prison for being an addict. If they're violent? Sure. Lock them up. But not just for having or using drugs.

Too bad that will never happen.

338 McSpiff  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:15:33am

re: #336 ProLifeLiberal

Egypt?

Maybe not the idea of an Egyptian state, but I'm not sure id classify the modern egyptian state as entirely organic either. But now it gets muddy for me...

339 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:15:51am

re: #331 ProLifeLiberal

Part of Syria and Beirut Vilayets to be precise. If you can see my thought processes, you maybe be able to figure out what I want to have happen in this region of the Arab World.

Let me guess. Force out all the Jews who can't produce official documentation of their immediate family's residence going back 500 years. Am I close?

340 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:16:19am

re: #330 Gus 802

The Republican Party must be stopped. They can take their authoritarianism and shove it up their...

The war on drugs is bipartisan bs. It was bi-partisan in OK:

The Oklahoma Senate approved the legislation in a 44 to 2 vote and the state House approved the legislation 75 to 18.

and it was a republican gov in IN that tried to lower the sentencing rates that a bi-partisan group destroyed. No one wants to be considered "soft on crime" so they're willing to stick it to their fellow man to bolster their re-election chances.

341 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:16:22am

re: #337 Lidane

If we just reserved prison for violent offenders, it would ease the burden so much.

Put non-violent drug offenders in rehab or halfway houses where they get their GED and/or learn a trade. There's no reason someone should be in prison for being an addict. If they're violent? Sure. Lock them up. But not just for having or using drugs.

Too bad that will never happen.

But think of the 1000s that have died because of hashish!

/

342 McSpiff  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:16:58am

re: #339 Alouette

Let me guess. Force out all the Jews who can't produce official documentation of their immediate family's residence going back 500 years. Am I close?

For someone who didn't want to be accused of suggesting that arabs be forced out of their homes, you jumped to that conclusion awfully fast with PLL.

343 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:17:06am

re: #335 ralphieboy

In Arizona, they wanted law and Order and Low Taxes. They got Sherrif Joe Arpaio and his tent cities in the desert outside Phoenix.

stomp on peoples rights while picking up users earns you a "hero" tag in most of the country.

344 Lidane  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:17:41am

Blargh. Time for class. After the exam last night, I don't wanna.

Oh well. I'm off. See you later, Lizards!

345 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:17:53am

re: #339 Alouette

Israel stays. The Levant and Hijaz form one large federalized, constitutional monarchy under the Hashemites.

Kind of off.

346 McSpiff  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:18:02am

re: #343 RogueOne

stomp on peoples rights while picking up users earns you a "hero" tag in most of the country.

Which is why the idea of elected law enforcement scares the bejesus out of me.

347 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:18:02am

re: #340 RogueOne

The war on drugs is bipartisan bs. It was bi-partisan in OK:

and it was a republican gov in IN that tried to lower the sentencing rates that a bi-partisan group destroyed. No one wants to be considered "soft on crime" so they're willing to stick it to their fellow man to bolster their re-election chances.

Well, that looks barely bi-partisan to me. But I would agree with you that the "War on Drugs" is largely bi-partisan. But Democrats are better as far as sentencing guidelines.

348 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:18:13am

re: #334 Gus 802

But they're all funding McPrisons. America, home of the largest prison population.

349 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:18:56am

re: #342 McSpiff

However, I accept my idea could be bonkers in another direction.

350 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:19:05am

re: #348 Varek Raith

My favorite SOAD song. Heh.

351 laZardo  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:20:30am

re: #337 Lidane

If we just reserved prison for violent offenders, it would ease the burden so much.

Put non-violent drug offenders in rehab or halfway houses where they get their GED and/or learn a trade. There's no reason someone should be in prison for being an addict. If they're violent? Sure. Lock them up. But not just for having or using drugs.

Too bad that will never happen.

The United States is so focused on building more prisons that it has neglected to build a health infrastructure that would "catch" any sort of rise in addiction from legalization (beyond marijuana).

352 McSpiff  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:20:36am

re: #349 ProLifeLiberal

However, I accept my idea could be bonkers in another direction.

I'd rather hear your ideas than play the LGF version of charades with them ;-)

"2 states, first state...oh! oh! kick the jews out!"

;-)

353 RogueOne  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:21:26am

Meeting time! BBL. Someone keep the pipe warm//

354 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:22:33am

re: #341 Gus 802

But think of the 1000s that have died because of hashish!

/

I have to admit that has oil is a frigging powerful and dangerous drug. It should never be legalized, although I support legalization of marijuana.

355 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:22:54am

re: #351 laZardo

The United States is so focused on building more prisons that it has neglected to build a health infrastructure that would "catch" any sort of rise in addiction from legalization (beyond marijuana).

And America's biggest "substance" abuse problem that destroys more lives and kills more people daily is legal. And this same system is trying to lecture the population about the "ills" of marijuana? There's something seriously wrong with this picture. Has been for a while.

356 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:23:10am

re: #236 Varek Raith

You mean that Obama's doctor was a Time Lord? That explains EVERYTHING!!!!

Tell me, does anyone have audio recordings of Obama's delivering doc? Does he have a British accent, wear flamboyant or odd clothes - particularly long colorful scarves or bowties, and a hot ginger companion? That would cinch the deal. /

357 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:23:14am

re: #354 ralphieboy

I have to admit that has oil is a frigging powerful and dangerous drug. It should never be legalized, although I support legalization of marijuana.

You ever try it?

358 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:23:51am

re: #352 McSpiff

Israel remains a Jewish-Majority State with a 25-35% cobbled minorities (now). The big change is around it. Saudi Arabia would be partitioned. Hijaz goes to Jordan, and some sort of deal is made so the rest of the Levant joins with it. I believe in regionalization, so it isn't just here.

359 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:24:09am

re: #353 RogueOne

Meeting time! BBL. Someone keep the pipe warm//

'Ere!

360 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:24:36am

re: #355 Gus 802

And America's biggest "substance" abuse problem that destroys more lives and kills more people daily is legal. And this same system is trying to lecture the population about the "ills" of marijuana? There's something seriously wrong with this picture. Has been for a while.

Aye.

361 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:24:45am

re: #357 Gus 802

You ever try it?


Remember being offered it in college, it melted my braims. I was the only one who did not cough it all out immediately, the coughing jag set in after I had exhaled...

362 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:25:35am

re: #342 McSpiff

For someone who didn't want to be accused of suggesting that arabs be forced out of their homes, you jumped to that conclusion awfully fast with PLL.

Whereas "forcing Arabs out of their refugee camps" is seen as the ultimate no-no, forcing out Jews from their "settlements" is seen as a "solution." It's much more socially accepted, especially amongst the nobility and elite classes.

363 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:25:56am

re: #361 ralphieboy

Remember being offered it in college, it melted my braims. I was the only one who did not cough it all out immediately, the coughing jag set in after I had exhaled...

I did once. It's just intense. Not good for your health obviously but it's nothing that I would consider dangerous to society. Vodka and Everclear is a lot worse.

364 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:27:29am

re: #315 McSpiff

Pretty much the entire Middle East is a construct of the Post WWI breakup of the Ottoman Empire . The French and British carved up the region, exerting control over different portions, and giving their favored groups the ability to run the region in their name - the Hashemites in Jordan, Saudis in the Arabian peninsula, etc., the French in the Levant, etc.

365 McSpiff  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:27:39am

re: #362 Alouette

Whereas "forcing Arabs out of their refugee camps" is seen as the ultimate no-no, forcing out Jews from their "settlements" is seen as a "solution." It's much more socially accepted, especially amongst the nobility and elite classes.

Tilting against windmills.

366 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:27:48am

Economic growth slows to 1.8% in first months of 2011

Economic growth slowed at the start of the year, weighed down by higher oil prices and lower government spending, according to new data that lays bare the challenging climb the United States faces in trying to emerge from its long period of weakness.

Gross domestic product, the broadest measure of economic activity, rose at a 1.8 percent annual rate in the January through March period, down sharply from the 3.1 percent pace of growth in the final quarter of last year. Economists had forecast 2 percent growth.

Argh. This recovery needs crampons.

367 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:29:45am

re: #362 Alouette

Given the conditions of the refugee camps, it's a moral imperative for the Arab states to accept the Palestinians as citizens. Instead, they're kept in limbo as political pawns.

368 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:30:11am

re: #364 lawhawk


And Kuwait was separated from Iraq and made a separate country to give the British a foothold in the region.

369 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:30:13am

re: #363 Gus 802

I did once. It's just intense. Not good for your health obviously but it's nothing that I would consider dangerous to society. Vodka and Everclear is a lot worse.

And Everclear just sounds so natural...

370 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:30:27am

re: #358 ProLifeLiberal

Also, with the West Bank Territory exchanges, wouldn't Israel want to make themselves as defensible as possible? Because if I were them, there is one territory exchange, with a mile of so of the West Bank nearest Tel Aviv going to Israel, and the little divot Israel has between the West Bank and Jordan to the north going to West Bank.

371 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:30:28am

re: #366 researchok

Economic growth slows to 1.8% in first months of 2011

Argh. This recovery needs crampons.

I need a parachute. But yeah this global economy went south because of the events in the Middle East and North Africa. Oh joy. People need to realize how much things are outside the control of the POTUS when they're so intent on blaming him for our economic problems. Looks at what happened when Greece almost collapsed.

372 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:30:48am

re: #369 researchok

And Everclear just sounds so natural...

Everclear natural spring water!

/

373 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:30:58am

re: #367 Obdicut


I remember someone explaining that "the Arabs are willing to fight Israel down to the last Palestinian".

374 McSpiff  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:31:18am

Alright, lurking while I make some eggs

375 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:31:42am

And vice versa. Look at what happened around the world when our economy collapsed in 2008.

376 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:32:28am

re: #367 Obdicut

Not possible in 2 cases. Jordan has 6 million citizens and 2 million refugees, meaning a demographic and economic integration issue. Same in Lebanon, where the wobbly 3 legged stool would be massively thrown off by 400,000 new Sunnis.

377 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:33:12am

re: #372 Gus 802


Professor Pavlov (more famous for his work with slobbering dogs) demonstrated that the human body is not capable of processing any beverage that is more than 40% alcohol, the rest is wasted. that is why most spirits are 80 proof.

378 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:34:20am

re: #371 Gus 802

I need a parachute. But yeah this global economy went south because of the events in the Middle East and North Africa. Oh joy. People need to realize how much things are outside the control of the POTUS when they're so intent on blaming him for our economic problems. Looks at what happened when Greece almost collapsed.

All true.

We're all in the life raft when crap happens.

OT, I sent out the video.

Response went from PC horror to absolute hysteria.

About half of them got it.

I'm still laughing- the dry cleaning episodes. His angelic earnestness

You SOB. I won't get that image out of my head for two weeks..

379 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:34:43am

re: #376 ProLifeLiberal

Sure. It's an issue. There's still a moral imperative. Of course, it's also a moral imperative for the Arab states to quit being assholes to their own citizens, drop the theocracy, and embrace the enlightenment.

380 McSpiff  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:34:56am

re: #377 ralphieboy

Professor Pavlov (more famous for his work with slobbering dogs) demonstrated that the human body is not capable of processing any beverage that is more than 40% alcohol, the rest is wasted. that is why most spirits are 80 proof.

My experience with regular rum versus overproof begs to differ but I guess that could have been placebo...

381 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:35:48am

re: #370 ProLifeLiberal

Also, with the West Bank Territory exchanges, wouldn't Israel want to make themselves as defensible as possible? Because if I were them, there is one territory exchange, with a mile of so of the West Bank nearest Tel Aviv going to Israel, and the little divot Israel has between the West Bank and Jordan to the north going to West Bank.

The Jordan Valley is essential for Israel to keep in order to maintain minimal security, otherwise it is putting Tel Aviv and Ben Gurion airport within rocket range.

382 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:36:39am

Hot Air lifts another TSA story from Alex Jones: Former Miss USA: TSA Agent “Touched My Vagina”

Good luck with that.

383 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:36:41am

re: #375 Gus 802

And vice versa. Look at what happened around the world when our economy collapsed in 2008.

The word 'Flounder' comes to mind- and I'm not tl;king fish.

By the way, the gold tush started in earnest back then. Truth be told owning gold and silver is an admission we're along for the ride when it hits the fan.

Not the prez, not the EU or China can shepherd us out of this mess.

384 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:36:58am
385 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:38:08am

re: #382 Killgore Trout

Hot Air lifts another TSA story from Alex Jones: Former Miss USA: TSA Agent “Touched My Vagina”

Good luck with that.

Yep. Straight from Prisonplanet.

Congratulation Hot Air. My Tweet to Allahpundit will soon become reality. Hot Air will soon feature Alex Jones directly. If it's good enough for Drudge it's good enough for Hot Air.

386 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:39:52am

re: #381 Alouette

This is the Jordanian Border we're talking here. And would more space around Tel Aviv be desirable?

387 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:39:54am

After yesterday's massive tornado outbreak, today looks like it's going to be not as bad - although the tornado warnings, watches, and severe storm alerts are starting to pile up. The East Coast is going to be hammered throughout the day and hopefully not like what we saw in the Tuscaloosa-Birmingham-Huntsville areas.

388 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:41:05am
389 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:41:54am

re: #388 Gus 802

Latest from Viletweets.

O_o

390 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:42:46am

re: #389 Varek Raith

And the mask is now completely off. Unvarnished Racism.

391 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:43:32am

Instapundit:

MICKEY KAUS: Why not debate affirmative action? “Were Obama a magnificent president in all respects, Trump’s charge would have little resonance. Who cares how Obama got into Harvard Law? In 2008, it was obvious enough to voters that he might have benefitted from preferences. He won a national majority anyway. But it turns out there are some ropes Obama doesn’t seem to have learned in his turbo-boosted ascent up the political hierarchy.” Plus, as Kaus notes, Obama himself says he benefited from affirmative action. So why is it suddenly racist to talk about it?

Wingnuts are eager to follow Trump over the cliff. This affirmative action investigation is going to get very very ugly.

392 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:43:45am

re: #386 ProLifeLiberal

This is the Jordanian Border we're talking here. And would more space around Tel Aviv be desirable?

The Jordanian border on the west is the Jordan river.

393 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:44:48am

re: #384 Gus 802

That's a day after claiming that she wasn't a birther and was more interested in focusing on the failures of the President on policy. Ugh... Ugly - but as Alouette posted in the pages/spinoffs - some people are not going to be swayed by any amount of evidence.

The people pushing this birther crap are bullshitters, and their claims are ludicrous on their face. They ignore longstanding law, principles, and the Constitution itself when it comes to who is a natural born citizen, eligible to be President. Obama more than meets those qualifications - whether with the COLB or the short form.

This is about attempting to delegitimize a president that they don't consider to be a true president because of any number of reasons, but race certainly plays a role (he doesn't look like any other president in history, doesn't have the backstory of those other presidents, and has a different policy perspective).

394 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:45:04am

re: #391 Killgore Trout

Instapundit:

Wingnuts are eager to follow Trump over the cliff. This affirmative action investigation is going to get very very ugly.

It's like they're missing the entire goddamn point of affirmative action, too.

Obama graduated. With honors. If he was given admittance due to affirmative action, it shows an affirmative action success story.

395 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:45:07am

re: #388 Gus 802

Latest from Viletweets.

You would not believe the level of stupid comments over at American Thinker's Carol Taber article. And their readers aren't freepers.

Or that is what they would have you believe.

396 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:45:21am

re: #391 Killgore Trout

Instapundit:

Wingnuts are eager to follow Trump over the cliff. This affirmative action investigation is going to get very very ugly.

Yeah. Coming from the same person that thought the Obama/shoe shine image wasn't racist. The affirmative action meme is one of the most notorious dog whistles in America.

397 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:45:44am

re: #384 Gus 802

They also have Pam's investigation on Fox News too....
From "Photoshopped" Borders To Doctor's Wife, Bolling Conspiracy-Mongers Over Obama Birth Certificate

398 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:46:10am

re: #391 Killgore Trout

Instapundit:

Wingnuts are eager to follow Trump over the cliff. This affirmative action investigation is going to get very very ugly.

If they wanna argue that, then I wanna know what makes Trump or Dubya different, both being men from families of wealth and influence, who got to coast through life on their names and their daddy's name rather than any merits of their own?

399 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:46:55am

re: #397 Killgore Trout

They also have Pam's investigation on Fox News too...
From "Photoshopped" Borders To Doctor's Wife, Bolling Conspiracy-Mongers Over Obama Birth Certificate

Yeah. Watched the clip earlier. My head is still spinning. They're still drinking the Kool Aid.

400 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:47:17am

re: #394 Obdicut

It's like they're missing the entire goddamn point of affirmative action, too.

Obama graduated. With honors. If he was given admittance due to affirmative action, it shows an affirmative action success story.

I also wouldn't be surprised if he received some financial assistance as well. I'm not sure if his family had that kind of money.

401 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:47:41am

re: #398 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

If they wanna argue that, then I wanna know what makes Trump or Dubya different, both being men from families of wealth and influence, who got to coast through life on their names and their daddy's name successrather than any merits of their own?

402 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:47:43am

re: #392 Alouette

Okay, I think I see your thought process, not trusting if Hamas or another group of nuts takes over West Bank. Of course, I would be fine with West Bank becoming Part of Jordan too, which might moderate things.

403 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:48:43am

If, by the grace of God, Syria collapses, what happens to Hamas?

404 allegro  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:49:23am

re: #388 Gus 802

Oh dear. Those are disturbing , ugly, violent... and phenomenally ignorant.

I have noticed that since yesterday's release of the long form birth certificate that pundits are, for the first time that I've heard, calling the birther shit what it is: racism. Now that the birthers have got what they were demanding and they still aren't satisfied, it's ever so much clearer. I love that it's finally be called out in the MSM.

405 BishopX  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:49:28am

re: #403 ProLifeLiberal

If, by the grace of God, Syria collapses, what happens to Hamas?

They become more reliant on Iran, who just lost a proxy?

406 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:49:38am

re: #398 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

If they wanna argue that, then I wanna know what makes Trump or Dubya different, both being men from families of wealth and influence, who got to coast through life on their names and their daddy's name rather than any merits of their own?

Bush, Clinton, Gore, Kenedys etc, all went to Ivy league schools ant partied their way through. All of them were unremarkable students. Iwouldn't be surprised to see Obama had the best gpa of the bunch.

407 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:49:40am

re: #402 ProLifeLiberal

Okay, I think I see your thought process, not trusting if Hamas or another group of nuts takes over West Bank. Of course, I would be fine with West Bank becoming Part of Jordan too, which might moderate things.

Why should Jordan have more claim to the West Bank than Israel?

408 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:50:38am

re: #398 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

If they wanna argue that, then I wanna know what makes Trump or Dubya different, both being men from families of wealth and influence, who got to coast through life on their names and their daddy's name rather than any merits of their own?

Legacy status students. If your parents graduated from the same university you get special treatment.

409 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:52:19am

Oh brother it just never stops...

Oklahoma GOP Lawmaker Sally Kern: ‘Blacks’ Don’t Work As Hard As White People

Rep. Sally Kern, R-Oklahoma City, said minorities earn less than white people because they don’t work as hard and have less initiative.

“We have a high percentage of blacks in prison, and that’s tragic, but are they in prison just because they are black or because they don’t want to study as hard in school? I’ve taught school, and I saw a lot of people of color who didn’t study hard because they said the government would take care of them.”

Kern said women earn less than men because “they tend to spend more time at home with their families.”

410 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:52:53am

What racism? Sheesh.

411 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:52:59am

re: #406 Killgore Trout

Well, Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar. That does count for something.

412 laZardo  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:53:20am

Gonna retire to bed before stupiditym-fueled punching obsession overwhelms me.

Nighty.

413 laZardo  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:53:48am

re: #412 laZardo

Gonna retire to bed before stupiditym-fueled punching obsession overwhelms me.

Nighty.

lol, too late. nighty tho

414 shutdown  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:54:22am

re: #411 Obdicut

Obdi I never had a chance to apologize for the way I argued with you a while back. I was in a bad place that day and should never have logged on. Sorry.

415 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:54:25am

I give up.
I tried to argue with some of the local GOP that they were freefalling into oblivion. They didn't care.
Now, I don't care.
Fuck the GOP. If they want to fade into obscurity, I ain't going to lift a finger to help.

416 allegro  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:54:40am

re: #408 Gus 802

Legacy status students. If your parents graduated from the same university you get special treatment.

Yeah, it's just like, yanno, Super Duper Affirmative Action... but they're rich white guys so it's like TOTALLY different.///

417 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:55:01am

re: #406 Killgore Trout

Bush, Clinton, Gore, Kenedys etc, all went to Ivy league schools ant partied their way through. All of them were unremarkable students. Iwouldn't be surprised to see Obama had the best gpa of the bunch.

Clinton at least got in by being, as Obi pointed out, a Rhodes scholar. And even he had to rely upon scholarships to get the money to attend college, unlike Dubya, Gore, or the Kennedys, who just had daddy's money/influence do all the talking for them.

418 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:55:27am

re: #416 allegro

Yeah, it's just like, yanno, Super Duper Affirmative Action... but they're rich white guys so it's like TOTALLY different.///

Yeah. Nothing says "hard working student" like some binge drinking white frat boy.

//

419 shutdown  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:55:35am

re: #416 allegro

Legacy works. Apparently, a legacy early decision applicant is 7:1 more likely to get accepted than a non-legacy.

420 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:56:29am

re: #414 imp_62

Obdi I never had a chance to apologize for the way I argued with you a while back. I was in a bad place that day and should never have logged on. Sorry.

I don't even remember what you're talking about, so no worries.

421 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:56:37am

re: #409 Gus 802

Oh brother it just never stops...

Oklahoma GOP Lawmaker Sally Kern: ‘Blacks’ Don’t Work As Hard As White People

You'd think that a party that's trying to win by the presidency would not be going out of its way to make enemies, but then again this is the GOP we're talking about, who seem to have written off minority votes in toto.

422 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:57:03am

re: #413 laZardo

If you're going to bed, where are you in the world?

423 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:57:23am

re: #422 ProLifeLiberal

If you're going to bed, where are you in the world?

Philippines, IIRC.

424 shutdown  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:57:38am

re: #420 Obdicut

I don't know if that hurts more or less - Charles docked me 30 Karma for bad behaviour O_o

425 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:58:01am

re: #422 ProLifeLiberal

If you're going to bed, where are you in the world?

UTC

/

426 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:58:16am

re: #425 Gus 802

UTC

/

Fucking time zones.

427 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:58:32am

re: #426 Varek Raith

Fucking time zones.

How do they work?

428 shutdown  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:59:00am

re: #426 Varek Raith

Fucking time zones.

Communist conspiracy just like fluorididated water.

429 shutdown  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:59:46am

re: #427 Gus 802

How do they work?

Moon eats the Sun. Moon spits out the Sun. Dark/Light. You can't explain that.

430 darthstar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:00:18am

re: #382 Killgore Trout

Hot Air lifts another TSA story from Alex Jones: Former Miss USA: TSA Agent “Touched My Vagina”

Good luck with that.

I'm pretty sure she said, "The TSA inflamed my ANGINA" I hate it when people don't listen carefully and then report in error.

431 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:00:49am

re: #429 imp_62

Moon eats the Sun. Moon spits out the Sun. Dark/Light. You can't explain that.

*Semen goes in. Baby comes out! You can't explain that.

//*Or "seaman" in certain parts of the world.

//

432 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:00:56am

re: #426 Varek Raith

I know the time zone part, it was more trying to figure where in which one. :P

433 shutdown  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:01:58am

re: #430 darthstar

I'm pretty sure she said, "The TSA inflamed my ANGINA" I hate it when people don't listen carefully and then report in error.

They should take away her crown for knowing where her vagina is.

434 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:02:07am

re: #432 ProLifeLiberal

I know the time zone part, it was more trying to figure where in which one. :P

:)
[Link: www.timeanddate.com...]

435 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:02:45am

re: #411 Obdicut

Well, Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar. That does count for something.

I'm not sure how those are awarded. Clinton was probably a fairly smart guy but he was (and still is) a party animal. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

436 McSpiff  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:05:03am

It seems like how responsible a women is with her money is becoming a large part of wether or not I view her as an attractive partner...

When the hell did I become old?

437 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:05:07am

re: #417 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Clinton at least got in by being, as Obi pointed out, a Rhodes scholar. And even he had to rely upon scholarships to get the money to attend college, unlike Dubya, Gore, or the Kennedys, who just had daddy's money/influence do all the talking for them.

I don't want to diminish the accomplishments of any of those guys. Even Dubbya, who had a reputation for being kinda dumb. I think he is probably smarter than people give him credit for.

438 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:06:30am

re: #406 Killgore Trout

Bush, Clinton, Gore, Kenedys etc, all went to Ivy league schools ant partied their way through. All of them were unremarkable students. Iwouldn't be surprised to see Obama had the best gpa of the bunch.

Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar. That award is not solely based on GPA but you don't get out of the resume stack if you're not somewhat bright.

439 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:07:20am

re: #435 Killgore Trout

I'm not sure how those are awarded. Clinton was probably a fairly smart guy but he was (and still is) a party animal. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

NB: I know people who do the Rhodes Scholarship selection process, so I have (second hand) knowledge of what goes into it.

440 shutdown  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:07:41am

re: #436 McSpiff

It seems like how responsible a women is with her money is becoming a large part of wether or not I view her as an attractive partner...

When the hell did I become old?

You're not old until you are concerned with how responsible she is with your money!

441 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:07:55am

re: #435 Killgore Trout

It's always kind of funny to me that Obama's long, stable marriage is just discounted by the family-values wingnuts. It wins him zero points with them, they just focus on hating Michelle. Or coming up with ludicrous gay sex stories about Obama.

442 shutdown  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:09:23am

re: #439 iossarian

Most anybody who becomes President is an overachiever in some aspect. You can point to certain exceptions regarding intellect, but I think the rule holds in most cases (sorry GWB).

443 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:12:22am

re: #442 imp_62

Most anybody who becomes President is an overachiever in some aspect. You can point to certain exceptions regarding intellect, but I think the rule holds in most cases (sorry GWB).

I'm trying to think of who might be the dumbest president in living history and I can't really think of one I would consider dim. Even though I really dislike Carter I don't think he was stupid.

444 McSpiff  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:12:24am

re: #441 Obdicut

It's always kind of funny to me that Obama's long, stable marriage is just discounted by the family-values wingnuts. It wins him zero points with them, they just focus on hating Michelle. Or coming up with ludicrous gay sex stories about Obama.

"I BET HE HAS GAY SEX WITH RIGHT WING PUNDITS! ....oh god I hope so"

Such obvious projection.

445 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:13:32am

re: #437 Killgore Trout

I don't want to diminish the accomplishments of any of those guys. Even Dubbya, who had a reputation for being kinda dumb. I think he is probably smarter than people give him credit for.

I agree he's not a mouth breather exactly, but everything I've heard/read about him suggests that he is very incurious, which is in my opinion the worst attribute a politician can have (vis-a-vis their intellectual profile, at least).

I want my politicians to want to understand how things work.

446 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:13:43am

I should have a doctorate in procrastination.

BRB

447 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:14:55am

re: #446 Gus 802

I should have a doctorate in procrastination.

BRB

I haz a PhD.

448 shutdown  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:15:00am

re: #446 Gus 802

I should have a doctorate in procrastination.

BRB

You'll get one some day...

449 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:15:55am

re: #447 Varek Raith

I haz a PhD.

A Procrastination Hiatus Degree.

As in, you get one when you manage to achieve a hiatus in your procrastination.

450 shutdown  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:16:22am

re: #443 Killgore Trout

I'm trying to think of who might be the dumbest president in living history and I can't really think of one I would consider dim. Even though I really dislike Carter I don't think he was stupid.

Carter is extremely intelligent, much as I dislike him as a person and found him ineffectual as a President.

451 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:17:51am

re: #407 Alouette

The last thing Jordan wants is another 1-2 million Palestinians in its population. The Palestinian contingent, led by the PLO nearly overthrew King Hussein (giving rise to a major crackdown in 1970 - named Black September after which the PLO splinter group took its name) and the regime is rightfully leery of the Palestinians, particularly the groups like Fatah and Hamas.

They'd rather see the problem foisted on Israel than reincorporate the territories lost to Israel in 1967 - and it's why Jordan didn't demand lands captured in 1967 as part of its treaty with Israel (as well as the fact that the Jordanians captured the land originally dedicated to a Palestinian state under the Mandate plans in 1947 but did nothing more than annex it - creating Transjordan in the process). The Jordanian regime understands the issue quite well.

452 BishopX  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:19:37am

re: #443 Killgore Trout

The closest to dumb I would get was Reagan or Truman. Reagen only insofar as Alzheimer's degraded his mental capabilities while in office.

453 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:27:05am

re: #452 BishopX

The closest to dumb I would get was Reagan or Truman. Reagen only insofar as Alzheimer's degraded his mental capabilities while in office.

I just googled Regan to see what his education was like and found this interesting fact....

. As student president, Reagan notably led a student revolt against the college president after he tried to cut back the faculty.[17]


Heh.

454 shutdown  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:32:22am

From my Facebook sidebar:

These 5 friends found their friends using the friend finder. Have you found all of your friends? Give it a try.

What's Zuckerberg's point? I don't have enough friends? Four times in two sentences. Friend the friend who friended your friend, my friend.

455 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:33:25am

Presidents by their nature are overachievers, even the accidental ones like Truman or LBJ (by death/assassination of predecessor). They achieve the pinnacle of politics in the US through a combination of intellect, saavy, charisma, luck, and connections. While it is probably helpful to have an above average intellect to be President, intellect is no guarantor of success either.

456 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:38:19am

re: #453 Killgore Trout

I just googled Regan to see what his education was like and found this interesting fact...


Heh.

Protect spending on [X that benefits me directly] at all costs! Cut everything else!

The Republican Way.

457 shutdown  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:42:59am

Why is it that every time I say that people who demonstrably need help in the form of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid etc. should receive such help as they need, but those who do not need the help should not receive it, I get excoriated for proposing "means testing"? Like that would in some way be anti-American.

459 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:51:34am

re: #457 imp_62

Why is it that every time I say that people who demonstrably need help in the form of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid etc. should receive such help as they need, but those who do not need the help should not receive it, I get excoriated for proposing "means testing"? Like that would in some way be anti-American.

Well, from a political perspective, I would say that one problem with too much means testing is that when you reduce the proportion of the population that receives benefits, it becomes (ironically) easier to demonize those on benefits as "welfare queens" or other such delightful terms.

For this reason, I think that for programs like social security, it helps to have some kind of basic non-tested benefit which can then be supplemented with specific top-ups for targeted populations.

460 shutdown  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:51:34am

re: #458 Varek Raith

Limbaugh Pretends He Never Questioned Obama's Citizenship
Lol

He is very flexible for a middle-aged fat man.

461 Aye Pod  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:52:24am

Morning folks! Just ordered a new camera. This is the latest Amazon customer review for it:

Being relatively new to photography it was no surprise that this camera exceeded my expectations. It seemed a little expensive at first but I have already made my money back by selling pictures of Sebastian's mum to the man who cuts my Nan's grass every other Sunday. This camera is a nice size yet not to small for my massive hands (FYI I can crush four walnuts in one hand) this camera is so easy to operate and proof of this was the other day when I saw a man drowning in a lake without hesitation I rose to the occasion and jumped into action. There wasn't a moment to loose so rather than waste time running over to the lake I utilised the amazing optical zoom capability of the camera which caused no problems at all with the auto focus as I could see his pain and suffering from over 300 meters away. But on a lighter note about the man downing I am please to say that this review can defiantly finish on a high because I ended up taking the picture with the sun behind my subject and to my amazement the camera compensated for this and the photos of the unfortunate mans death were amazing.


[Link: www.amazon.co.uk...]

462 shutdown  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:53:55am

re: #459 iossarian

Well, from a political perspective, I would say that one problem with too much means testing is that when you reduce the proportion of the population that receives benefits, it becomes (ironically) easier to demonize those on benefits as "welfare queens" or other such delightful terms.

For this reason, I think that for programs like social security, it helps to have some kind of basic non-tested benefit which can then be supplemented with specific top-ups for targeted populations.

I agree in theory. It simply rubs me the wrong way to see people like my wealthy in-laws defray medical costs with Medicare and collect Social Security, while owning large investment portfolios and being unapologetically socially conservative.

463 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:54:28am

re: #461 Jimmah

It's all about the priorities. And the snark.

464 Aye Pod  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:56:14am

re: #458 Varek Raith

Limbaugh Pretends He Never Questioned Obama's Citizenship
Lol

The real question us wingnuts want answered is : Why did the president let us make such idiots of ourselves for so long? Why would he do such a thing?"

465 shutdown  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:58:44am

re: #461 Jimmah

Morning folks! Just ordered a new camera. This is the latest Amazon customer review for it:


[Link: www.amazon.co.uk...]

Reminds me of the joke:
Two Englishmen are on a ramble through the countryside. Passing a pond, they hear anguished cries. As they approach, they hear a man, flailing about in the deep water, crying "Hilfe, Hilfe!". Moving along staidly, one gentleman turns to the other and says: "Silly bugger. Should have learned how to swim instead of how to speak German".

466 Interesting Times  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:00:23am

Hey clueless bloodsuckers, maybe if you and other megacorps paid a living wage (that kept up with food/fuel inflation, among other things) you wouldn't have this problem:

Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

Wal-Mart shoppers, many of whom live paycheck to paycheck, typically shop in bulk at the beginning of the month when their paychecks come in. Lately, they're "running out of money" at a faster clip, he said.
...
Wal-Mart has struggled with seven straight quarters of sales declines in its stores.

467 Aye Pod  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:03:47am

Heh. Go WUB!

468 darthstar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:05:42am

re: #454 imp_62

From my Facebook sidebar:

What's Zuckerberg's point? I don't have enough friends? Four times in two sentences. Friend the friend who friended your friend, my friend.

He's saying the friends you do have suck and you should find more.
/

469 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:07:45am

Varek is in desperate need of coffee.
BBIAB.

470 shutdown  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:07:58am

re: #468 darthstar

He's saying the friends you do have suck and you should find more.
/

Well, he' got that right.

471 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:09:14am

Words are words, word...word.

Checking Twitter....

472 shutdown  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:11:33am

re: #466 publicityStunted

Hey clueless bloodsuckers, maybe if you and other megacorps paid a living wage (that kept up with food/fuel inflation, among other things) you wouldn't have this problem:

Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

Their response will be to provide end-of-month sales on core grocery items to lure buyers to the stores who should be holding back on using gas. Or they will get into the paycheck advance business and lend people money to shop at Wal-Mart. "I will gladly pay you tomorrow for a hamburger today".
Leeches.

473 Shropshire_Slasher  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:12:06am

I couldn't free up time to go when I turned down their invite, but I think I might get up a little early and watch the Royal wedding tomorrow. Not every day you can see the adoring masses. Anyone else?!

474 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:12:28am

re: #458 Varek Raith

Limbaugh Pretends He Never Questioned Obama's Citizenship
Lol

Well you know... he is *never wrong*

The one phenomena that gets me the most in all of this that I have never been able to understand, is the fact that people who are die hard GOP heads have the memory of goldfish.

We need to get into Libya one week the president is weak for not going... followed by... The president is wasting resources by going into Libya...

Cap and trade is a Reagan initiative and a proven "free market" solution (actually true to the extent it does help, but doesn't solve the problem completely) The GOP held this as a plan for over 20 years!)... Cap and tax is an evil socialist plot...

Obama is not an American!... I always thought he was an American... why did it take so long for him to prove it to the ever shifting standards we kept putting out there...

I could list dozens of examples.

So could everyone here.

So my question is, how is it possible that so much of America is that dumb. These "everyday" people have to remember what the GOP were screaming last week. They were parroting it themselves. How can they not notice?

475 shutdown  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:13:35am

re: #473 Shropshire_Slasher

I couldn't free up time to go when I turned down their invite, but I think I might get up a little early and watch the Royal wedding tomorrow. Not every day you can see the adoring masses. Anyone else?!

Might switch on the telly early to laugh at the prols standing in the rain.

476 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:13:40am

Hmm. Looks like they're pretty happy over at Stormfront over Ron Paul's announcement about running for president again.

No word on Trump. Yet.

477 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:14:10am

re: #476 Gus 802

Hmm. Looks like they're pretty happy over at Stormfront over Ron Paul's announcement about running for president again.

No word on Trump. Yet.

Of course those monsters like Ron Paul.

478 Mocking Jay  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:15:11am

re: #466 publicityStunted

Hey clueless bloodsuckers, maybe if you and other megacorps paid a living wage (that kept up with food/fuel inflation, among other things) you wouldn't have this problem:

Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

Yeah, they have every right to complain considering how much they pay their workers...

479 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:15:27am

re: #474 LudwigVanQuixote

The one phenomena that gets me the most in all of this that I have never been able to understand, is the fact that people who are die hard GOP heads have the memory of goldfish.

The GOP is Dory from Finding Nemo.

480 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:15:33am

re: #466 publicityStunted

Hey clueless bloodsuckers, maybe if you and other megacorps paid a living wage (that kept up with food/fuel inflation, among other things) you wouldn't have this problem:

Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

I always regarded that as the fundamental flaw of Walmart. Their whole model is dependant on cheap energy. As energy, especially fuel prices, rise, they are less able to deliver cheap goods, and there will be fewer customers in their stores.

481 shutdown  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:16:18am

re: #474 LudwigVanQuixote

Well you know... he is *never wrong*

The one phenomena that gets me the most in all of this that I have never been able to understand, is the fact that people who are die hard GOP heads have the memory of goldfish.

We need to get into Libya one week the president is weak for not going... followed by... The president is wasting resources by going into Libya...

Cap and trade is a Reagan initiative and a proven "free market" solution (actually true to the extent it does help, but doesn't solve the problem completely) The GOP held this as a plan for over 20 years!)... Cap and tax is an evil socialist plot...

Obama is not an American!... I always thought he was an American... why did it take so long for him to prove it to the ever shifting standards we kept putting out there...

I could list dozens of examples.

So could everyone here.

So my question is, how is it possible that so much of America is that dumb. These "everyday" people have to remember what the GOP were screaming last week. They were parroting it themselves. How can they not notice?

Of course they notice. Hate blinds them to the facts, though. I personally do not believe BHO has been an extraordinary President, but hell will freeze over before I vote for any of the likely GOP candidates. BHO would have to physically come over to my house, beat my wife, run over my dogs, and set fire to my hair before I would consider voting GOP in the next election.

482 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:19:05am

Hey Lizards ...

Here is an interesting piece on the push back against immigration in Finland. The overly liberal immigration policies have generated opposition from all political sides in Finland.

[Link: www.hudson-ny.org...]

This could be one of those "canary in the coal mine" situations.

483 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:20:26am

Oh noz!

Obama Mocks Birthers at Fundraiser

“My name is Barack Obama. “I was born in Hawaii, the 50th State of the U.S.A.” he began at his final stop Wednesday evening, drawing roars of approval from a crowd of some 1,300 donors at The Town Hall in New York. “Nobody checked my ID at the door.”

Yeah. Birthers as te endangered species claiming "victim status". Classic. Now they're going to whine about being ridiculed by Obama. Same like the Teabaggers who spent most of the summer paining Hitler mustaches on Obama.

484 Aye Pod  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:20:40am

Martin Amis hails the peerless intelligence and rhetorical ingenuity of his exceptional friend, Christopher Hitchens

Whereas mere Earthlings get by with a mess of expletives, subordinate clauses, and finely turned tautologies, Christopher talks not only in complete sentences but also in complete paragraphs. Similarly, he is an utter stranger to what Diderot called l'esprit de l'escalier: the spirit of the staircase. This phrase is sometimes translated as "staircase wit" – far too limitingly, in my view, because l'esprit de l'escalier describes an entire stratum of one's intellectual and emotional being. The door to the debating hall, or to the contentious drinks party, or indeed to the little flat containing the focus of amatory desire, has just been firmly closed; and now the belated eureka shapes itself on your lips. These lost chances, these unexercised potencies of persuasion, can haunt you for a lifetime – particularly, of course, when the staircase was the one that might have led to the bedroom.

485 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:22:10am

Weather updates - tornado warnings issued for NYC metro area - including Bergen and Passaic counties - have expired, but severe t-storm warnings remain in effect for pretty much the rest of the day.

New tornado warnings issued for Wilmington NC.

[Link: kamala.cod.edu...]

486 Aye Pod  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:23:02am

Dinner time - later :)

487 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:24:49am

re: #481 imp_62

Of course they notice. Hate blinds them to the facts, though. I personally do not believe BHO has been an extraordinary President, but hell will freeze over before I vote for any of the likely GOP candidates. BHO would have to physically come over to my house, beat my wife, run over my dogs, and set fire to my hair before I would consider voting GOP in the next election.

I could not agree more with what you wrote.

I think it is a little unfair though to lay everything at the feet of BHO however. He would have gotten much further if he had any real support from behind from his own party. The Dems had everything... both houses, clear majorities etc... They could have passed a budget last year.

Healthcare. How hard is it to communicate to people that medical insurance companies are not your friends? Only the Dems could manage to bungle that message. Rather than presenting anything that even remotely looked like a unified front with basic guiding principles behind it, they all sounded like little chickens scrabbling about without their heads.

Climate For crying out loud! The science is as slam dunk as it gets! How hard is it to look at a GOP moron and ask what he thinks is making all that ice melt if it isn't getting hotter and the sun is putting out slightly less energy for the last 12 years? (Ohh.. and this year it bounced back to normal). Everyone could have said that. But of course not.

The Dems are basically useless. They couldn't just speak a simple truth if their careers depended on it. I give Obama credit for trying to at least speak those truths. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the strength of personality or, the pull to reign in self serving and cowardly Dems.

The only redeeming feature they have is that unlike the GOP, they aren't utterly evil.

488 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:25:39am

re: #483 Gus 802

Oh noz!

Obama Mocks Birthers at Fundraiser

Yeah. Birthers as te endangered species claiming "victim status". Classic. Now they're going to whine about being ridiculed by Obama. Same like the Teabaggers who spent most of the summer paining Hitler mustaches on Obama.

Of course they are going to whine. It is an entire sector of Americaa reduced to 7th grade. They can dish and dish, but should they get some back they run to teacher.

489 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:25:45am

re: #409 Gus 802

Oh brother it just never stops...

Oklahoma GOP Lawmaker Sally Kern: ‘Blacks’ Don’t Work As Hard As White People

coz they spend so much time copulating...

490 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:26:35am
491 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:26:58am
492 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:27:20am
493 shutdown  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:27:45am

re: #484 Jimmah

Martin Amis has progressed to the same level of tangled, dense literary self-adoration in his writing that doomed much greater authors than himself. Reading Amis the Younger is now akin to diving into a pool, expecting refreshing cool waters, only to find yourself immersed in sweet, cloying toffee.

494 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:28:20am

Why does G-D hate Alabama?

495 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:28:36am

re: #492 Gus 802

Image: OBAMAS-BIRTH-CERTIFICATE.jpg

Pretty much.

496 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:29:35am

re: #494 Alouette

Why does G-d hate Alabama

Hashem really doesn't like cruel slave owners, or those who agree with them. We had a big holiday about that recently.

497 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:29:54am

re: #482 _RememberTonyC

Hey Lizards ...

Here is an interesting piece on the push back against immigration in Finland. The overly liberal immigration policies have generated opposition from all political sides in Finland.

[Link: www.hudson-ny.org...]

This could be one of those "canary in the coal mine" situations.

This question surfaces every so often (whether liberal immigration policies in Europe are undermining the very liberalism they represent by allowing "intolerant Muslims" to move there).

As ever, there are two sides to the story. In the article you link, for example, the author identifies a pastor called Juha Molari, and indicates he was defrocked because for "describing [...] the man behind the Moscow metro and airport bombings, as a 'terrorist'."

However, minimal research indicates that Juha Molari had done far more than that:

[Link: www.kavkaz.org.uk...]

I want Kavkaz Center to be destroyed, so that they cannot continue their activities in Finland. I want the journalists and other personnel of the Kavkaz Center be identified and executed...

I know nothing about the Kavkaz Center, but I can see why this kind of comment would lead to problems in quite a few church organizations.

I'm not taking sides in this specific instance because I don't know much about the situation. But it's pretty clear from both the tone of your article and, again, some minimal research, that the picture of "Muslim intolerance" is only one side of the story. Since Muslims remain a pretty small minority in places like Finland, I would be wary of any article that stokes fears of them "taking over", and do a little bit of background checking.

Anyway, I don't mean this to be a slam on the original comment, more a caution against this kind of article in general.

498 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:30:18am

re: #495 Varek Raith

Pretty much.

Birthers

499 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:30:49am

Obama continues to string the wingnuts along....
White House Says It Won't Release Obama School Records

500 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:31:17am

re: #496 LudwigVanQuixote

Hashem really doesn't like cruel slave owners, or those who agree with them. We had a big holiday about that recently.

My son lives in Alabama.

501 Kragar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:31:57am

And this morning, the dipshit subbing for Rush is pushing the meme that Obama chickened out and finally released his records.

502 shutdown  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:32:07am

re: #487 LudwigVanQuixote

I, in turn, agree with you, Ludwig. However, I do attribute to a lack of leadership the failure to properly phrase policy positions and proselytize them to party faithful and later to the American people. BHO had a wonderful chance to accomplish with great elegance that which he attempted, ultimately, to achieve with a great deal more force than necessary. Now we are distracted by Birther gadflies and wild-eyed Ron Paulian nativists. I hope BHO can recover and thrive under adversity the way he did not when waters were far calmer.

503 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:33:44am
505 shutdown  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:36:50am

re: #503 Gus 802

Checkmate!

Trump’s Birtherism Hurting His Apprentice Ratings

You lie! Trump's hair was on John King yesterday saying his show has the highest ratings on NBC! Things have never been better! To the helicopter! Michael, find that CNN poll I just invented or you're fired!

506 The Left  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:37:14am

re: #503 Gus 802

Checkmate!

Trump’s Birtherism Hurting His Apprentice Ratings

ha! YOU'RE FIRED....AND YOUR HAIR TOO!

Just saying hi. ;) Can't stay long, hope you're well.

507 shutdown  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:37:43am
508 The Left  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:38:28am

re: #507 imp_62

GOP Candidates. How does that happen?

YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN THAT!

509 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:38:34am

re: #506 iceweasel

ha! YOU'RE FIRED...AND YOUR HAIR TOO!

Just saying hi. ;) Can't stay long, hope you're well.

Hey Ice. I'm doing OK considering. Went for a walk to the store. Sun felt nice. The birds were chirping away and the dogs were barking. ;)

510 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:38:58am

re: #508 iceweasel

YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN THAT!

Uranus doesn't have GOP candidates.

//

511 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:39:39am

re: #500 Alouette

My son lives in Alabama.

I'm sorry for him.

Your son doesn't think black people are lesser human beings because of their skin color or feel his life and livelihood is threatened because a black person can be president.

And no, not all people in Alabama think that, but clearly many do, or the GOP message wouldn't work so well there.

512 The Left  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:40:01am

re: #509 Gus 802

Hey Ice. I'm doing OK considering. Went for a walk to the store. Sun felt nice. The birds were chirping away and the dogs were barking. ;)

Sounds nice. We were outside for a while and just about to head back out-- this is apparently almost high summer in Scotland and this is still coat-wearing'weather if you ask me!

Take care all, back soon.

513 shutdown  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:40:10am

re: #510 Gus 802

Uranus doesn't have GOP candidates.

//

Mianus does not. Uranus might.

514 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:40:29am

re: #512 iceweasel

been a long day of being funny :D

515 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:40:48am

re: #512 iceweasel

tell your man I been to Forres and Elgin :D

516 The Left  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:41:27am

re: #514 WindUpBird

been a long day of being funny :D

So I see! i owe you an email too, will get to it later. Right now there's some drinking to be done-- it's a day off and it's after 5! Later!

517 zora  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:41:45am

re: #491 Gus 802

from comment section:

Please - They must be referred to as AfterBirth­ers now

ha!

518 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:41:48am

Which is a play on O'Reilly's pablum, "Why doesn't Mars have any moons?"

So I guess it should be...

Why doesn't Mars have any GOP candidates?

519 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:42:18am

re: #504 Gus 802

nothing would make me happier than a collapse in the GOP primary

oh shit higgledypiggledy

520 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:43:02am

re: #519 WindUpBird

nothing would make me happier than a collapse in the GOP primary

oh shit higgledypiggledy

Da Derp Dee Derp Da Teetley Derpee Derpee Dumb -- Quote from the first GOP debate.

//

521 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:43:06am

re: #516 iceweasel

So I see! i owe you an email too, will get to it later. Right now there's some drinking to be done-- it's a day off and it's after 5! Later!

girl I done TOO MUCH DRINKIN HO BABEH


I'll be heading to bed soon, no rush ^_^

522 zora  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:43:12am

re: #503 Gus 802

i want trump to fail. again.

523 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:43:26am

re: #511 LudwigVanQuixote

I'm sorry for him.

Your son doesn't think black people are lesser human beings because of their skin color or feel his life and livelihood is threatened because a black person can be president.

And no, not all people in Alabama think that, but clearly many do, or the GOP message wouldn't work so well there.

My Alabama son campaigned for Obama when almost everyone else in the family was GOP.

524 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:43:36am

Staring Sarah Palin...

as a stapler.

//

525 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:43:54am

re: #520 Gus 802

I CANNOT WAIT


The internet will be tumescent, it will have its randy way with the GOP primary

526 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:44:13am

re: #522 zora

i want trump to fail. again.

if he wins

then Obama wins ^____^

527 shutdown  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:44:23am

re: #522 zora

i want trump to fail. again.

Donald Trump is Glenn Beck's hand puppet. And yes, feel free to imagine all that entails.

528 BongCrodny  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:44:32am

re: #494 Alouette


Alabama, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas...

529 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:44:56am

re: #527 imp_62

Donald Trump is Glenn Beck's hand puppet. And yes, feel free to imagine all that entails.

Does it involve the rectum?

//

530 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:45:06am

re: #528 BongCrodny

Alabama, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas...

Virginia.

531 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:45:17am

re: #528 BongCrodny

Alabama, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas...

that's what Rush Limbaugh says when he plays hopscotch

532 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:45:42am

re: #530 Varek Raith

Virginia.

Real Virginia or northern Virginia?

//

533 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:45:43am

re: #529 Gus 802

Does it involve the rectum?

//

Rectum?! damn near killed 'im

534 BongCrodny  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:46:49am

re: #527 imp_62

Donald Trump is Glenn Beck's hand puppet. And yes, feel free to imagine all that those entrails.

FTFY.

535 BongCrodny  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:47:43am

re: #531 WindUpBird

that's what Rush Limbaugh says when he plays hopscotch


Yeah, like Limbaugh can even get off the ground.

536 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:48:11am

Death toll in Alabama storms increases to 162, officials say, raising storm total to 247 people dead in six states.

537 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:48:27am

OK... here it is number 507...

If America isn't full of racists, how is it that a fundamental message of black person as other has so much political traction?

Where are there the biggest concentrations of those who hear that message?

Go figure, the blue red lines look very eerily like the lines of the Civil war.

I am asking all defenders of the south that question seriously. Don't reply to me with how broad brush I am, or how that argument makes you feel, or what it does to your digestion or astrology charts. Tell me in a data based reality manner what does not obtain in that argument. Let's talk facts and cut the bullshit.

I hate magical thinking..

Also for the 10,000 time, of course, there are great Southerners who are not like that. However, the data would indicate that they are outvoted.

If people are going to fix the world, a good first step is to stop deluding oneself and shying away from saying true things that might ruffle the feathers of the overly sensitive.

538 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:50:22am

re: #532 Gus 802

Hypervirginia!
re: #535 BongCrodny

Yeah, like Limbaugh can even get off the ground.

well, if you fill his gas sacs with helium...

539 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:51:11am

re: #538 WindUpBird

Hypervirginia!
re: #535 BongCrodny

well, if you fill his gas sacs with helium...

Helium's scarce enough!!!
:P

540 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:51:20am

re: #538 WindUpBird

Hypervirginia!
re: #535 BongCrodny

well, if you fill his gas sacs with helium...

Limbaugh would have a lot of buoyancy.

/

541 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:51:51am

re: #535 BongCrodny

Succor for the bloated one, as he eclipses the sun


tribesmen raise hands to the sky, behold his drooling form, worship his sweaty mass, lay hands upon his moist torso

542 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:52:05am

When Rush Limbaugh comes back in the afterlife he will come back as a red sea buoy. So it is written.

//

543 BongCrodny  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:52:54am

re: #538 WindUpBird

Hypervirginia!
re: #535 BongCrodny

well, if you fill his gas sacs with helium...


Eww.

I'm guessing Limbaugh could play a pretty decent game of waddlescotch, but I digress.

544 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:52:57am

re: #518 Gus 802

Mars doesn't have moons? Huh? Phobos and Deimos don't count?

545 Buck  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:53:36am

re: #474 LudwigVanQuixote

So my question is, how is it possible that so much of America is that dumb. These "everyday" people have to remember what the GOP were screaming last week. They were parroting it themselves. How can they not notice?

Is there something wrong with changing your position on major issues over time? I mean do you think there is something wrong with someone who (for example) starts off questioning a policy, and then years later supporting it? Or supporting a policy, and then years later questioning it?

546 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:53:45am

re: #544 lawhawk

Mars doesn't have moons? Huh? Phobos and Deimos don't count?

According to Bill O'Rly, no, they don't count.

547 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:53:50am

re: #544 lawhawk

Mars doesn't have moons? Huh? Phobos and Deimos don't count?

Yeah. We're talking about the same guy that was surprised to see that they had silverware at a Harlem restaurant.

548 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:54:27am

re: #545 Buck

I love you buck


please love my pleasure mound

549 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:54:35am

re: #545 Buck

Is there something wrong with changing your position on major issues over time? I mean do you think there is something wrong with someone who (for example) starts off questioning a policy, and then years later supporting it? Or supporting a policy, and then years later questioning it?

1 week =/= several years, but other than that, yes.

550 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:55:02am

re: #545 Buck

is that your face on your avatar?

551 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:55:17am

re: #545 Buck

I just


I had to ask

552 Buck  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:55:52am

re: #548 WindUpBird

I love you buck


I am sure, given an appropriate amount of time, I would love you too.

553 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:56:25am

re: #552 Buck

What's your favorite color?

554 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:56:26am

Ohh and the 507 reference is that I think I have had to write that 507 times.

I hate magical thinking.

Newsflash... the average person is not nice or shiny or particularly bright. He does not care about others as much as himself or care about others much at all except in a very superficial sense where he might give a little easy charity or do a small thing to feel good about himself.

The average person is full of prejudices and ignorance and fear. The average person if fat and happy thinks of little other than his fat and happy pleasures. The average person sees the tragedies of others as a form of entertainment to talk about with o=other average people, not something to do something about.

The average person is not actively evil, but frankly is very far from good.

Protecting the ever so sensitive feelings of the average person, as if they are good, and awarding them as if they have been good is a lie.

The largest failing of the left is that they are so weepy that they can never call evil, evil. There is always an excuse. Everyone is a "special snowflake" everyone's opinion matters.

No they don't to both.

555 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:56:41am

re: #552 Buck

mine is blue

556 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:57:01am

re: #553 WindUpBird

What's your favorite color?

What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

557 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:58:18am

re: #552 Buck

What do you think about hedge mazes?


I think they're hot

558 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:58:36am

I have no problem with people who look at data, try to understand issues, and over time change their views on what is the best way to act (and what goals are worthy to pursue).

I have a massive problem with people who first make fools of themselves by trying to prove that the (black) leader of their country is illegitimate, and then go on to compound their foolishness by claiming that he has "strung them along" when he shows them proof of his legitimacy.

But I guess in the world of straw-clutching, the two are equivalent.

559 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:58:40am

re: #556 Gus 802

What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

At a movie theater which arm rest is yours?

560 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:59:04am

re: #559 Varek Raith

At a movie theater which arm rest is yours?

Left arm.

561 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:59:35am

re: #559 Varek Raith

At a movie theater which arm rest is yours?

Is it ever OK to double dip?

562 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:59:42am

re: #559 Varek Raith

At a movie theater which arm rest is yours?

On an airplane which arm rest is yours?

563 BongCrodny  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:00:00am

re: #559 Varek Raith

At a movie theater which arm rest is yours?


The other one.

564 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:00:28am

re: #562 Alouette

On an airplane which arm rest is yours?

If you fly in a class where you have to ask, I want nothing to do with you!

/GOP politician

565 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:00:34am

re: #545 Buck

Buck there is nothing wrong with taking in new facts and evolving to a new stance. I am sure you thought that was clever. OF course, this is not what happened. The difference is that the little GOP parrots were only ever parroting. They think so little they do not even notice when their masters change message through 180 degrees for no reason other than to attack the president.

It is insulting that you would even try so obvious and stupid an attack. Just not very bright there buddy. Of course, you never were.

And WUB who isn't smart enough to see through the really silly. Kiddo, let's be clear. I get that you are angry with me for standing up fopr my people and their rights in our homeland. I get that. But allying with Buck because you are cranky at me is a sign of the worst hissy fit and not thinking on your part.

566 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:00:37am

re: #563 BongCrodny

The other one.

Both!

/

567 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:01:19am

Lol.

568 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:01:25am

Ummm....

569 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:01:38am

Uhhh....

570 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:01:49am

re: #565 LudwigVanQuixote

Hay fundie!

571 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:01:52am

Huh?

572 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:02:06am

What?

573 The Left  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:02:12am

re: #515 WindUpBird

tell your man I been to Forres and Elgin :D

Hey, Jimmah's best friend grew up around Forres! He does animation for the Harry Potter movies. (one of hundreds of people who do)

574 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:02:27am

re: #565 LudwigVanQuixote

What's happening, fundie? Gonna burn me at the stake, fundie? Gonna NAPALM me? ^___^

575 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:02:35am

re: #573 iceweasel

Hey, Jimmah's best friend grew up around Forres! He does animation for the Harry Potter movies. (one of hundreds of people who do)

YEAH!

576 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:03:11am

re: #573 iceweasel

Hey, Jimmah's best friend grew up around Forres! He does animation for the Harry Potter movies. (one of hundreds of people who do)

I was at the Findhorn Foundation for three months. Changed my life, that place did. :)

577 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:03:12am

re: #574 WindUpBird

What's happening, fundie? Gonna burn me at the stake, fundie? Gonna NAPALM me? ^___^

the comfy chair for you, with extra soft cushions.

578 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:03:21am

Just in time!

579 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:03:36am

re: #576 WindUpBird

that's the most honest thing I've ever said on a blog. ^_^

580 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:04:23am

re: #577 Alouette

anyone who tries to convert me, or impose their spirituality on me? is a fundie :)

581 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:05:33am

re: #580 WindUpBird

anyone who tries to convert me, or impose their spirituality on me? is a fundie :)

Are you a PC or a Mac user?

582 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:06:02am

re: #577 Alouette

No offense, I like you. But LVQ sucks. He's kinda psycho. I understand if you want to be all jewish tribalist. I won't hold it against you. but he went psycho, and unless he apologizes to me for his crazy behavior? he's dogshit. he's worse that dogshit. :)

583 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:06:34am

re: #581 Alouette

Are you a PC or a Mac user?

PC forever! PC dev, PC musician, PC builder.

584 albusteve  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:07:30am

re: #582 WindUpBird

No offense, I like you. But LVQ sucks. He's kinda psycho. I understand if you want to be all jewish tribalist. I won't hold it against you. but he went psycho, and unless he apologizes to me for his crazy behavior? he's dogshit. he's worse that dogshit. :)

he's too stupid to know how he sounds....it's all about himself and his abrasive blather he impresses you with...disgusting

585 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:08:30am

re: #570 WindUpBird

Hay fundie!

Look, WUB believe it or not, I am not interested in starting a flame war with you no matter how much you have been itching for one. Let's just get some things straight.

The Temple is Jewish. So is Joseph's tomb and Hebron. It does not belong to anyone else.

We were willing for the sake of peace to let the mosques stand on the Temple mount - even though that spot is the center of our culture and something we pray to restore three times a day - and have for 2,000 years.

This is not a matter of me being a fundie (something you also clearly know nothing about). That is the real life actual reality.

It is absolutely insulting to me, and every Jew that you do not even acknowledge that. In fact, it makes you an unbelievable asshole.

Now I don't think you are as anti-semitic as those who normally say such shit are. I think you are just that ignorant.

So if you want to stack up chairs and scream and scream and scream... so be it. But you are beginning to try my patience.

586 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:10:11am

re: #574 WindUpBird

What's happening, fundie? Gonna burn me at the stake, fundie? Gonna NAPALM me? ^___^

NO WUB that would certainly be an over the top reaction to the harmless assaults of a hystrionic, self centered, ignorant fool, grown man dressed in a parrot suit.

587 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:11:36am

re: #580 WindUpBird

anyone who tries to convert me, or impose their spirituality on me? is a fundie :)

Umm I have never tried to impose any spirituality on you WUB. I am perfectly happy to let you stay very much out of the Tribe.

588 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:11:49am

re: #582 WindUpBird

No offense, I like you. But LVQ sucks. He's kinda psycho. I understand if you want to be all jewish tribalist. I won't hold it against you. but he went psycho, and unless he apologizes to me for his crazy behavior? he's dogshit. he's worse that dogshit. :)

I understand that CuriousLurker was offended by something he said last week, but what does that have to do with you?

589 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:13:15am

re: #588 Alouette

I understand that CuriousLurker was offended by something he said last week, but what does that have to do with you?

Nothing.

But he has made a number of things very clear since them.

590 Buck  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:13:20am

re: #565 LudwigVanQuixote

OF course, this is not what happened, in your opinion. I see the same things happen on the left and the right. Not EXACTLY the same, so don't do that thing where it has to be exactly the same thing.... but similar enough to note that it is part of politics and yes even part of evolving.

I also think that (to answer your question) you really miss the concept of opposition. It is a very important part of democracy. In the British system they call it the "Loyal Opposition", and by that they mean that it is ok to oppose, just for opposition sake, and that by doing that you get better, more thought out policy.

If you ever did debate, you would see the concept in force. You never know what side you will will have to take. You have to be able to defend or oppose ANY resolution.

The Free Press should oppose the government, not side with it. The opposition political party should oppose the government, not side with it. That gets you a better democracy.

591 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:13:39am

re: #584 albusteve

he's too stupid to know how he sounds...it's all about himself and his abrasive blather he impresses you with...disgusting

I am more curious than impressed

I've been doing this a long time :-)

592 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:13:40am

re: #584 albusteve

Can't resist can you.

593 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:13:58am

re: #588 Alouette

I understand that CuriousLurker was offended by something he said last week, but what does that have to do with you?

Go look at the thread, he said things to me :)

594 zora  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:14:12am

re: #585 LudwigVanQuixote

your rant about the south deserving tornadoes sounds like it could be from pat robertson talking about gays causing hurricanes in new orleans or haitian heathens causing earthquakes. scientists know what causes tornadoes. or is this divine meteorology?

595 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:14:49am

re: #586 LudwigVanQuixote

NO WUB that would certainly be an over the top reaction to the harmless assaults of a hystrionic, self centered, ignorant fool, grown man dressed in a parrot suit.

awesome ^_^

596 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:15:16am

Sigh.

597 albusteve  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:15:34am

re: #592 LudwigVanQuixote

Can't resist can you.

can you pissant?....can you show restraint?....no, because you're third rate

598 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:15:59am

re: #594 zora

your rant about the south deserving tornadoes sounds like it could be from pat robertson talking about gays causing hurricanes in new orleans or haitian heathens causing earthquakes. scientists know what causes tornadoes. or is this divine meteorology?

You misunderstood the rant then. And I don't recall ever saying that the South deserved tornadoes.

My point is that the science is the science. If we heat the Earth and shift the climate we will get those storms it is simple physics. The only thing that could stop that would be Divine intervention.

And here is the closer to the argument... we do not merit Divine intervention.

599 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:16:25am

re: #597 albusteve

Actually Steve I've been ignoring you for months...

600 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:17:27am

re: #585 LudwigVanQuixote

anyone who talks about burning people alive with a smile is psycho


and you did that, and you are now psycho


Any dirtbag meth dealer from my hometown would call you psycho, I don't care how many degrees you hold, i don't care what religion, what creed, what race you think you are, psycho is a universal language I know very, very well

601 albusteve  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:17:31am

re: #599 LudwigVanQuixote

Actually Steve I've been ignoring you for months...

so what?...why would I care?
your ego overwhelms any sense you might have had, troll

602 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:17:58am

re: #599 LudwigVanQuixote

Actually Steve I've been ignoring you for months...

you of course would, because steve is your intellectual superior

603 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:18:02am

re: #511 LudwigVanQuixote

I'm sorry for him.

Your son doesn't think black people are lesser human beings because of their skin color or feel his life and livelihood is threatened because a black person can be president.

And no, not all people in Alabama think that, but clearly many do, or the GOP message wouldn't work so well there.

Are you suggesting they deserved the tornado destruction they just suffered, killing close to 200 people?

604 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:18:44am

re: #593 WindUpBird

Go look at the thread, he said things to me :)

Mommy! He called me a heckabellahenna!*

*This is a made-up word that one of my sons used to insult his brother, because he knew I would wash out his mouth if he said "dickhead"

Me: Both of you shut up!

Mommy! He's making faces at me!

Me: Both of you don't look at each other!

Mommy! He's farting at me!

Me: Don't make me come up there.

605 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:19:07am

re: #600 WindUpBird

I was talking about the necessities of a war if it came to it.

Way to ignore the entire argument.

Anyone who would excuse attack after attack and murder after murder like you do is not only a psycho but someone who doesn't care about murdered Jews.

That makes you an utter asshole.

606 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:20:43am

re: #603 reine.de.tout

Are you suggesting they deserved the tornado destruction they just suffered, killing close to 200 people?

I made a comment using the "wingnut" formatting, "Why does G-D hate Alabama?"

BTW I have loved ones in Alabama.

607 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:21:20am

re: #590 Buck

Part of what you say makes sense, but there is a point at which "loyal opposition" becomes obstructionism for its own sake.

For example, the science on global warming is now very clear. There is really no need to oppose the science. There is value in debating which policies would be best to try to reverse the current trend, but there is no point in taking the King Canute position.

It's also interesting that you mention debating as a pursuit. The main reason I got out of competitive debating was precisely the smugness of the guys (almost always guys) who could indeed "take any position". If you don't believe what you're arguing for, it debases the whole point of having a debate in the first place.

608 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:21:57am

re: #599 LudwigVanQuixote

Steve loves music. I used to get into shit with albusteve. Then I figured out that music is life, and we had that incommon, and then I figured out that he was a really cool dude, with shit to say. and you, LVQ, are just another tribalist psycho fuck. You're human garbage. You make this blog worse. You masturbate all over us. Fuck off.

609 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:22:29am

re: #554 LudwigVanQuixote

You miss the point. By making sweeping statements, you are insulting everyone in the South that is not a racist. Do you think your approach is going to change any minds? Only education and time will do that. Do you think that if you bitch and moan enough we will wake up tomorrow in a racist-free world?

What is your end game? What do you hope (or think) you will accomplish with your method of lumping everyone together?

I do everything I can. I'm raising three children to love everyone equally. I don't tolerate racism around me. That's all I can do.

610 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:22:36am

i have got another beer in my car. I'm gonna go get it. You all fucking talk amongst youselves.

611 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:22:54am

re: #603 reine.de.tout

Are you suggesting they deserved the tornado destruction they just suffered, killing close to 200 people?

I wasn't aware Alouette was referring to the tornadoes, and no, I do not wish that people were hurt by the disaster. In the large scope of things though, AGW really will cause more storms of this type. We have been calling this for years as scientists.

The physics is really clear. There will be more and more storms of increasing magnitude in new areas. This is another such case. We absolutely brought this on ourselves. Only a miracle would stop the physics. Do we desrve such a miracle?

Look at America very clearly. It is the warm up, and the voters there do everything they can to stop any actions from saving them. Ask yourself if we deserve a miracle to save us from the damage we put on ourselves?

612 Buck  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:23:19am

re: #511 LudwigVanQuixote

I would like to say that I think that your "black people are lesser human beings" is the GOP message is a grotesque prejudicial idea that really does label you more than it labels the GOP.

613 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:23:33am

re: #606 Alouette

I made a comment using the "wingnut" formatting, "Why does G-D hate Alabama?"

BTW I have loved ones in Alabama.

Yes, I know.
And sorry Alouette - but everything I saw LVQ say after that suggests he doesn't give a rat's ass about what happened in Alabama yesterday. Not one of his responses indicated any human charity or caring about the utter devastation Alabama suffered yesterday.

614 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:23:53am

re: #604 Alouette

Mommy! He called me a heckabellahenna!*

Me: Both of you shut up!

Mommy! He's making faces at me!

Me: Both of you don't look at each other!

Mommy! He's farting at me!

Me: Don't make me come up there.

Have you ever actually washed out a kids' mouth with soap?

I did, but then I went to making them eat "dirt" (straight backing cocoa.)

615 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:25:06am

re: #612 Buck

I would like to say that I think that your "black people are lesser human beings" is the GOP message is a grotesque prejudicial idea that really does label you more than it labels the GOP.

You would like to say that, but that would be another bout of denial on your part. What exactly does a non-American Muslim communist mean to you? Are those inclusive or exclusive remarks... what about "his hating white culture"? Inclusive or exclusive?

You say lots of stupid things Buck. I know you wish they were true, but they aren't.

616 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:25:06am

re: #612 Buck

I would like to say that I think that your "black people are lesser human beings" is the GOP message is a grotesque prejudicial idea that really does label you more than it labels the GOP.

Let's have some examples of GOP politicians promoting the idea that we are all equal before dismissing that interpretation of the GOP message, please.

I see a lot of "black people are inferior" and not a whole lot of "we are all equal".

617 Locker  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:25:08am

re: #612 Buck

I would like to say that I think that your "black people are lesser human beings" is the GOP message is a grotesque prejudicial idea that really does label you more than it labels the GOP.

Really? Try looking at the LGF headline article and then stand there and tell me that with a straight face.

618 albusteve  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:25:22am

re: #611 LudwigVanQuixote

I wasn't aware Alouette was referring to the tornadoes, and no, I do not wish that people were hurt by the disaster. In the large scope of things though, AGW really will cause more storms of this type. We have been calling this for years as scientists.

The physics is really clear. There will be more and more storms of increasing magnitude in new areas. This is another such case. We absolutely brought this on ourselves. Only a miracle would stop the physics. Do we desrve such a miracle?

Look at America very clearly. It is the warm up, and the voters there do everything they can to stop any actions from saving them. Ask yourself if we deserve a miracle to save us from the damage we put on ourselves?

nobody gives a fuck about the physics you pinhead....you completely miss the point....are you intentionally stupid?

619 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:26:10am

re: #611 LudwigVanQuixote

I wasn't aware Alouette was referring to the tornadoes, and no, I do not wish that people were hurt by the disaster. In the large scope of things though, AGW really will cause more storms of this type. We have been calling this for years as scientists.

The physics is really clear. There will be more and more storms of increasing magnitude in new areas. This is another such case. We absolutely brought this on ourselves. Only a miracle would stop the physics. Do we desrve such a miracle?

Look at America very clearly. It is the warm up, and the voters there do everything they can to stop any actions from saving them. Ask yourself if we deserve a miracle to save us from the damage we put on ourselves?

I don't know if we "deserve" or don't "deserve" a miracle to save us from ourselves; I don't think God "makes" natural events happen as "punishment" for things, nor does he "reward" us by keeping these things at bay.

The effects of AGW are man-made and man will have to develop the solution.

What bothered me is that I've only seen you pound your point home about the ignorant asses of Alabama - and not one word of charity or human feeling about it. Weird.

620 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:26:13am

re: #614 EmmmieG

Have you ever actually washed out a kids' mouth with soap?

I did, but then I went to making them eat "dirt" (straight backing cocoa.)

Yes, I once put a drop of Palmolive on my son's tongue.

But another of my sons said to me "Mom, I don't like it when you say 'fuck' on Little Green Footballs"

621 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:26:55am

re: #620 Alouette

Is this one of the rabbis?

622 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:26:58am

*sniff sniff* I'm smelling a banning in the air. Tarring entire groups for the folly of some does a grave injustice. Personal attacks are ridiculous as well and let me remind those here of the following:

Comments that advocate violence will be cause for immediate banning with no appeal.
Disagreement and debate are welcome, but insults and abuse are not, and may cause your account to be blocked.

If you think you might have crossed that line - here's a hint - you blew by it by a wide margin.

623 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:27:22am

re: #606 Alouette

I made a comment using the "wingnut" formatting, "Why does G-D hate Alabama?"

BTW I have loved ones in Alabama.

Please see my 611.

I did not know that was what you were referring to. I obviously don't want anyone killed in tornadoes. However, we really did, not as a matter of faith, but as a matter of science bring such disaster on ourselves and it will only get worse.

Your son would be well served by moving. The American South will be a hellhole ecologically in 40-50 years.

624 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:27:46am

re: #621 EmmmieG

Is this one of the rabbis?

The one who tasted the Palmolive or the one who tsks at my language on LGF?

625 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:28:10am

re: #624 Alouette

The one who tasted the Palmolive or the one who tsks at my language on LGF?

The tsker.

626 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:28:31am

re: #625 EmmmieG

The tsker.

That's the IDF vet.

627 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:28:34am

re: #604 Alouette

Don't equate me with him. That is low Alouette.

628 albusteve  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:29:09am

re: #622 lawhawk

*sniff sniff* I'm smelling a banning in the air. Tarring entire groups for the folly of some does a grave injustice. Personal attacks are ridiculous as well and let me remind those here of the following:

If you think you might have crossed that line - here's a hint - you blew by it by a wide margin.

I retract my personal attacks....I get pissed tho and will not back down from a bully

629 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:29:45am

re: #626 Alouette

That's the IDF vet.

Who washes out their mouths with soap in the IDF?

(Also--if I used bad language on here and my kids saw it, I would never hear an end of the grief.)

630 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:31:20am

re: #629 EmmmieG

Who washes out their mouths with soap in the IDF?

Nobody. They get to cuss as much as they want.

631 Buck  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:32:12am

re: #607 iossarian

Part of what you say makes sense, but there is a point at which "loyal opposition" becomes obstructionism for its own sake.

The system is in place to allow the obstructionism to go only so far. Once the bill is voted on, the people who lost the vote has to accept the results and move on.

If the idea/policy is accepted by the requisite number of elected officials then it can become the official government policy / law.

Now sometimes the vote is to reverse what a previous vote made as policy law (DADT for example), and that is a fantastic case of democracy and evolving standards.

632 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:32:26am

re: #630 Alouette

Nobody. They get to cuss as much as they want.

I was kind of figuring it is the army.

633 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:33:47am

re: #608 WindUpBird

Oh for G-d's sake...

What is your problem?

You've insulted pretty much everything of an entire people to the core and you have the gall to whine like that?

This is what this is about as far as I am concerned:

The Temple is Jewish. So is Joseph's tomb and Hebron. It does not belong to anyone else.

We were willing for the sake of peace to let the mosques stand on the Temple mount - even though that spot is the center of our culture and something we pray to restore three times a day - and have for 2,000 years.

This is not a matter of me being a fundie (something you also clearly know nothing about). That is the real life actual reality.

It is absolutely insulting to me, and every Jew that you do not even acknowledge that. In fact, it makes you an unbelievable asshole.

Now I don't think you are as anti-semitic as those who normally say such shit are. I think you are just that ignorant.

So if you want to stack up chairs and scream and scream and scream... so be it. But you are beginning to try my patience.

Alouette, if you don't back that up I loose respect for you.

634 Buck  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:34:12am

re: #617 Locker

Really? Try looking at the LGF headline article and then stand there and tell me that with a straight face.

That is not the GOP, it is a member of the GOP. The generalization is no more valid than if I find a Democrat who is anti Israel, and want to paint all democrats as anti semites.

635 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:34:52am

re: #634 Buck

That is not the GOP, it is a member of the GOP. The generalization is no more valid than if I find a Democrat who is anti Israel, and want to paint all democrats as anti semites.

Why isn't she being castigated, denounced, reprimanded, or disciplined by anyone in the national GOP for her statements? Or even disagreed with?

636 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:35:16am

re: #609 tnguitarist

You miss the point. By making sweeping statements, you are insulting everyone in the South that is not a racist. Do you think your approach is going to change any minds? Only education and time will do that. Do you think that if you bitch and moan enough we will wake up tomorrow in a racist-free world?

What is your end game? What do you hope (or think) you will accomplish with your method of lumping everyone together?

I do everything I can. I'm raising three children to love everyone equally. I don't tolerate racism around me. That's all I can do.

How is the clear statement by me that" I know there are great Southerners who don't think like that" lumping everyone together?

637 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:35:38am

re: #634 Buck

That is not the GOP, it is a member of the GOP. The generalization is no more valid than if I find a Democrat who is anti Israel, and want to paint all democrats as anti semites.

The problem, Buck, is that there are plenty of GOP politicians who hold those and similar views, and none who openly oppose them.

There is in no way an equivalence when it comes to anti-Israel sentiment among Democratic politicians.

638 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:37:19am

re: #613 reine.de.tout

Yes, I know.
And sorry Alouette - but everything I saw LVQ say after that suggests he doesn't give a rat's ass about what happened in Alabama yesterday. Not one of his responses indicated any human charity or caring about the utter devastation Alabama suffered yesterday.

respect :)

639 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:37:29am

re: #633 LudwigVanQuixote

Oh for G-d's sake...

What is your problem?

You've insulted pretty much everything of an entire people to the core and you have the gall to whine like that?

This is what this is about as far as I am concerned:

The Temple is Jewish. So is Joseph's tomb and Hebron. It does not belong to anyone else.

We were willing for the sake of peace to let the mosques stand on the Temple mount - even though that spot is the center of our culture and something we pray to restore three times a day - and have for 2,000 years.

This is not a matter of me being a fundie (something you also clearly know nothing about). That is the real life actual reality.

It is absolutely insulting to me, and every Jew that you do not even acknowledge that. In fact, it makes you an unbelievable asshole.

Now I don't think you are as anti-semitic as those who normally say such shit are. I think you are just that ignorant.

So if you want to stack up chairs and scream and scream and scream... so be it. But you are beginning to try my patience.

Alouette, if you don't back that up I loose respect for you.

I don't disagree with that, but when you allow yourself to get dragged into personal name-calling squabbles, well, you know what they say about wrestling in the mud with barnyard animals.

640 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:37:58am

re: #613 reine.de.tout

Yes, I know.
And sorry Alouette - but everything I saw LVQ say after that suggests he doesn't give a rat's ass about what happened in Alabama yesterday. Not one of his responses indicated any human charity or caring about the utter devastation Alabama suffered yesterday.

Then you are being deeply unfair. I am not certain what I did to get up your bottom, but that hurts.

641 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:39:01am

re: #584 albusteve

the longer I'm here, the more I understand you

642 Buck  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:39:10am

re: #616 iossarian

Let's have some examples of GOP politicians promoting the idea that we are all equal before dismissing that interpretation of the GOP message, please.

I see a lot of "black people are inferior" and not a whole lot of "we are all equal".

You see what you want to see. No one can change that but you. For example, no amount of showing you African American cabinet members in Republican administrations would mean anything to you.

643 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:39:15am
644 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:39:21am

re: #639 Alouette

I don't disagree with that, but when you allow yourself to get dragged into personal name-calling squabbles, well, you know what they say about wrestling in the mud with barnyard animals.

I thought I was rather staying out of that despite their best efforts to bring it to that level.

I am about the facts. WUB is denying the whole people.

Steve is simply trying to start stuff and failing.

645 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:40:36am

re: #636 LudwigVanQuixote

How is the clear statement by me that" I know there are great Southerners who don't think like that" lumping everyone together?

You're correct. You didn't make any generalized statements at all. Please tell me what to think next.

646 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:41:36am

re: #642 Buck

Two words.

Southern.
Strategy.

647 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:41:36am

re: #642 Buck

You see what you want to see. No one can change that but you. For example, no amount of showing you African American cabinet members in Republican administrations would mean anything to you.

Are you referring to African American cabinet members in Republican administrations who endorse Democratic candidates for President?

Talk about changing one's views over time!

648 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:42:41am

re: #645 tnguitarist

You're correct. You didn't make any generalized statements at all. Please tell me what to think next.

OK so objectively, why is it called the Southern Strategy and why does it work? Why is it working now. I get that you are not like those folks. But you are also in some serious denial.

649 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:43:12am

re: #643 Alouette

My son is coordinating Alabama relief.

I have great respect for you as a mother. He must have learned it somewhere.

(I really love his page on respecting parents. Yeah, nobody sits in Dad's chair. Uh, when he's here, that is. For some reason one of the boys just loves sitting in Dad's chair when he's gone. I think there's a bit of psychological identification going on there.)

650 Locker  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:43:39am

re: #642 Buck

You see what you want to see. No one can change that but you. For example, no amount of showing you African American cabinet members in Republican administrations would mean anything to you.

You are the absolute epitome of seeing what you want to see and NEVER changing your position no matter how much evidence exists to the contrary. Your tactics are also the epitome of the Republican tactic of taking their worst traits and projecting them on to their opponents.

651 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:45:43am

re: #648 LudwigVanQuixote

I'm not in denial. Read my post. I live here in the South. I know what it means to live here. It's easy to lob rocks from afar. 58 million people voted for McCain. I'm pretty sure they weren't all from here.

652 allegro  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:45:58am

re: #648 LudwigVanQuixote

OK so objectively, why is it called the Southern Strategy and why does it work? Why is it working now. I get that you are not like those folks. But you are also in some serious denial.

Look, those of who live in the south KNOW that there are bigots and assholes here. We know they are everywhere, in fact. There is no denial. What we can do, and most of us are, is to call out that bigotry when we see it and name it. Those who have kids can teach them as tnguitarist is doing, to make things better. They are improving a lot. If you don't see that then you are the one in denial.

653 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:46:20am
Former Secretary of State Colin Powell announced Sunday that he will be voting for Sen. Barack Obama, citing the Democrat's "ability to inspire" and the "inclusive nature of his campaign."

The "inclusive nature of his campaign"...

[Link: articles.cnn.com...]

654 Locker  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:47:43am

re: #652 allegro

Look, those of who live in the south KNOW that there are bigots and assholes here. We know they are everywhere, in fact. There is no denial. What we can do, and most of us are, is to call out that bigotry when we see it and name it. Those who have kids can teach them as tnguitarist is doing, to make things better. They are improving a lot. If you don't see that then you are the one in denial.

It's good that you try to fight against the tide but that doesn't mean the tide doesn't exist. My father, brother and 4 nieces and nephews live in Alabama. I've spent several years living there myself and I can attest from first hand experience that racism is deeply rooted in the culture and as common as red clay.

Fighting against it is good, pretending it doesn't exist is invalid imo.

655 Buck  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:47:59am

re: #647 iossarian

Are you referring to African American cabinet members in Republican administrations who endorse Democratic candidates for President?

Talk about changing one's views over time!

The discussion is about saying that "the GOP position is that all blacks are inferior", nothing about Democratic candidates.

656 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:48:01am

re: #649 EmmmieG

I have great respect for you as a mother. He must have learned it somewhere.

(I really love his page on respecting parents. Yeah, nobody sits in Dad's chair. Uh, when he's here, that is. For some reason one of the boys just loves sitting in Dad's chair when he's gone. I think there's a bit of psychological identification going on there.)

Right now the power and the cell phone towers are down so he can't update the website with tornado relief information. I will post a page when the links are back up.

657 allegro  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:48:20am

re: #654 Locker

Fighting against it is good, pretending it doesn't exist is invalid imo.

Except that no one is doing that.

658 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:48:44am

re: #652 allegro

Picture me double-dinging this post with a huge mallet like we're at the county fair.

659 Locker  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:49:28am

re: #657 allegro

Except that no one is doing that.

Seems like that's what LVQ is being attacked for... a generalization that, imo, is completely valid. Just a personal opinion.

660 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:49:39am

re: #651 tnguitarist

I'm not in denial. Read my post. I live here in the South. I know what it means to live here. It's easy to lob rocks from afar. 58 million people voted for McCain. I'm pretty sure they weren't all from here.

You are right of course.

There are a ton of racist assholes in the North - and the West is its own thing.

I honestly thought Alouette was talking about something other than the tornadoes.

Please lets be clear about that. It seems I've ruffled enough feathers that some would like to believe I have it in for innocent people who suffer in a disaster. I don't of course.

However, onto the bigger issue, the red/blue lines really are eerily reminiscent of the civil war. It is not that there are no utter asses in the North. We have tons of them.

It is howerver that the racism of America that has for generations been part of the south is nowhere near as purged as we would hope.

661 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:50:19am

re: #654 Locker

No one is pretending it doesn't exist. Are you saying it doesn't exist elsewhere? I lived in Buffalo for 2 years. Plenty of racism there.

662 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:51:24am

re: #654 Locker

It's good that you try to fight against the tide but that doesn't mean the tide doesn't exist. My father, brother and 4 nieces and nephews live in Alabama. I've spent several years living there myself and I can attest from first hand experience that racism is deeply rooted in the culture and as common as red clay.

Fighting against it is good, pretending it doesn't exist is invalid imo.

Thank you.

663 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:51:40am

re: #660 LudwigVanQuixote

That stuff is deep rooted and will only be changed with time. If you could see the younger generation here, you would be surprised. Too bad they don't vote more.

664 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:52:54am

re: #654 Locker

It's good that you try to fight against the tide but that doesn't mean the tide doesn't exist. My father, brother and 4 nieces and nephews live in Alabama. I've spent several years living there myself and I can attest from first hand experience that racism is deeply rooted in the culture and as common as red clay.

Fighting against it is good, pretending it doesn't exist is invalid imo.

Pretending it ONLY exists there, and amongst all, is just as invalid. In my most humble opinion.

665 zora  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:53:13am

re: #659 Locker

give me a break. saying tornadoes killed people in the south because of a slave holding past is stupid and hateful, no matter how you walk it back. that's where this started. if you want to cosign that foolishness, be my guest. going to do something productive. later, lizards.

666 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:53:28am

re: #632 EmmmieG

I was kind of figuring it is the army.

However, in the IDF they address officers by their given name. It's a sort of quirky army in many ways.

667 Buck  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:53:49am

re: #646 Varek Raith

Michael Steele served as the party's first African-American chairman from January 2009-January 2011.

Things change.

668 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:54:23am

re: #665 zora

give me a break. saying tornadoes killed people in the south because of a slave holding past is stupid and hateful, no matter how you walk it back. that's where this started. if you want to cosign that foolishness, be my guest. going to do something productive. later, lizards.

Thank you, very nicely summed up.

669 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:54:58am

re: #633 LudwigVanQuixote


Alouette, if you don't back that up I loose respect for you.

Alouette can speak for herself.

670 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:55:16am

re: #667 Buck

Michael Steele served as the party's first African-American chairman from January 2009-January 2011.

Things change.

I fondly remember the many times that Steele spoke out against GOP fearmongering over "inner city voter fraud".

///

671 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:55:31am

re: #661 tnguitarist

No one is pretending it doesn't exist. Are you saying it doesn't exist elsewhere? I lived in Buffalo for 2 years. Plenty of racism there.

Yes of course racism is everywhere. The question though is one of density., The density is seen in voting patterns.

The argument is really simple. If you have a bunch of racists get elected in landslides in certain states (and the GOP is certainly pushing that racist line hard) and periodic bills to glorify Klansmen it seems pretty clear that this is not a small movement. Further, when those messages don't work as well in other places, that seems pretty conclusive as to what type of message is appreciated where.

672 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:55:37am

re: #664 reine.de.tout

Pretending it ONLY exists there, and amongst all, is just as invalid. In my most humble opinion.

This is my complaint.

673 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:55:46am

re: #634 Buck

That is not the GOP, it is a member of the GOP. The generalization is no more valid than if I find a Democrat who is anti Israel, and want to paint all democrats as anti semites.

Which is a fairly common tactic, you'll forgive my saying so.

The question is, will the GOP marginalize the offending member, or pretend she's not a problem?

674 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:56:20am

re: #669 SanFranciscoZionist

Alouette can speak for herself.

And she did. And so did I. If you don't back those things up, I loose respect for you too.

675 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:57:01am

re: #664 reine.de.tout

Nowhere did I write that racism only exists in the south. You are making stuff up.

676 M. Dubious  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:58:07am

Scientists should not blame tornadoes on God. My 2 cents. Back to lurking.

677 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:58:17am

re: #671 LudwigVanQuixote

Is there a racist per square mile ratio we're working off of? It's ok if you're a racist in a more liberal state because you'll be absorbed by the math?

678 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:58:18am

Seriously? Bringing up the south's slave owning past within the context of the recent tragic events? That's a highly irrational notion. It's no different than when people claim that San Francisco gets hit with earthquakes because of the gay population. And don't forget that it's not only the south that had slaves -- it was also in the north. And don't forget it was also the Union states and president that went off to slaughter the American Indians. There's no such thing as karma like this. Anywhere.

679 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:58:34am

re: #673 SanFranciscoZionist

The backdrop of birtherism really makes this conversation funny. The GOP has coddled,embraced, and been perfectly cozy with a highly racist attack on the president. A vicious, unfair smear.

Right now, the GOP is passing voter ID laws, knowing full well that it disenfranchises blacks and other minorities to do so. There is no actual voter fraud problem to address; they are doing it in order to reduce votes for Democrats.

Rand Paul and others are attacking the 14th amendment and defending a shopkeeper's ability to racially discriminate.

The GOP has moved substantially backwards since George W. Bush, and it wasn't exactly the model of inclusiveness then.

680 albusteve  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:58:38am

respect as a weapon....bwahahaha
some serious disconnect there

681 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:58:46am

re: #673 SanFranciscoZionist

Which is a fairly common tactic, you'll forgive my saying so.

The question is, will the GOP marginalize the offending member, or pretend she's not a problem?

And the fact they don't is further evidence... or is that too broad brush... gessh.

Everyone is such a sissy.

682 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:59:31am

re: #677 tnguitarist

Is there a racist per square mile ratio we're working off of? It's ok if you're a racist in a more liberal state because you'll be absorbed by the math?

Wyoming wins! (I am certain it has the lowest racist per square mile ratio, unless cows can be shown to be racist.)

683 BongCrodny  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:00:52am

"Ya know, racism is a worldwide problem and it's been since the beginning of recorded history. And it ain't just white and black. But thanks to George Wallace, it's always a little more convenient to play it with a Southern accent."

-- Drive-By Truckers, "The Three Great Alabama Icons"

684 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:01:05am

re: #677 tnguitarist

Is there a racist per square mile ratio we're working off of? It's ok if you're a racist in a more liberal state because you'll be absorbed by the math?

Of for crying out loud? Did I piss in your cheerios this morning man?

How do you possibly get from any of that, or anything I have ever written that I think racism is ok anywhere?

This is insane.

Am I not speaking English?

IF there is a huge amount of voters who respond to a racist message in a state, there are a huge amount of racists and obviously then it is more prevalent a problem and more ingrained then in states that don't respond to that message. This is not rocket science.

685 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:01:18am

re: #643 Alouette

My son is coordinating Alabama relief.

No hot button on the site for donations/volunteers.

686 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:02:03am

re: #678 Gus 802

Seriously? Bringing up the south's slave owning past within the context of the recent tragic events? That's a highly irrational notion. It's no different than when people claim that San Francisco gets hit with earthquakes because of the gay population. And don't forget that it's not only the south that had slaves -- it was also in the north. And don't forget it was also the Union states and president that went off to slaughter the American Indians. There's no such thing as karma like this. Anywhere.

OHHH for G-d's sake. For the 1000th time I did not know she was talking about the tornadoes! How many times do I have to write that?

687 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:02:47am

re: #686 LudwigVanQuixote

OHHH for G-d's sake. For the 1000th time I did not know she was talking about the tornadoes! How many times do I have to write that?

Ah. OK. Roger. Copy. Over.

688 allegro  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:03:50am

re: #684 LudwigVanQuixote

IF there is a huge amount of voters who respond to a racist message in a state, there are a huge amount of racists and obviously then it is more prevalent a problem and more ingrained then in states that don't respond to that message. This is not rocket science.

You are working from the assumption that all votes for the GOP are racist. This too is a fallacy. Many are, no question, and the GOP is definitely fanning those flames and going after those votes. But like saying all southerners are racist isn't true, so it saying all GOP voters are racist isn't true. There are other factors in play.

689 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:04:00am

re: #687 Gus 802

Ah. OK. Roger. Copy. Over.

Thank you.

690 albusteve  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:05:02am

re: #686 LudwigVanQuixote

OHHH for G-d's sake. For the 1000th time I did not know she was talking about the tornadoes! How many times do I have to write that?

then you should have figured it out before shooting off your big mouth

691 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:05:05am

re: #688 allegro

You are working from the assumption that all votes for the GOP are racist. This too is a fallacy. Many are, no question, and the GOP is definitely fanning those flames and going after those votes. But like saying all southerners are racist isn't true, so it saying all GOP voters are racist isn't true. There are other factors in play.

Head-desk...

How is clearly writing "I know there are lots of great Southerners who don't think that way..." saying all of them?

What is wrong with you?

692 Mocking Jay  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:06:09am

I like pie.

693 allegro  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:06:18am

re: #691 LudwigVanQuixote

Head-desk...

How is clearly writing "I know there are lots of great Southerners who don't think that way..." saying all of them?

What is wrong with you?

I am exactly addressing the arguments that you, yourself, have been making over and over again.

What is the matter with you?

694 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:06:57am

re: #692 JasonA

I like pie.

GET HIM!!!

695 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:07:20am

re: #674 LudwigVanQuixote

And she did. And so did I. If you don't back those things up, I loose respect for you too.

It's lose, and damn LVQ.

696 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:07:20am

re: #665 zora

For the 1001st time, I did not know she was talking about the tornadoes!

697 The Left  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:07:38am

re: #692 JasonA

I like pie.

I like Jason A.

698 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:08:41am

re: #685 Decatur Deb

No hot button on the site for donations/volunteers.

Power and cell phones are down so he can't log on to update the site. I will post a page when relief info is posted.

699 Mocking Jay  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:08:55am

re: #694 Varek Raith

GET HIM!!!

The cake is a lie!

700 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:09:31am

re: #693 allegro

I am exactly addressing the arguments that you, yourself, have been making over and over again.

What is the matter with you?

No clearly you are not. You said that I was attacking all southerners when I clearly excluded many. This is insane. It is insane you are even still going at it. It is insane you are ignoring the numbers and the voting patterns. That is evidence. Yes there are confounding factors, yes there are plenty in the South who do not go in for the racism, no, it is insane to imagine that the Southern Strategy isn't working in the South for very clear reasons.

701 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:10:37am

re: #695 Stanley Sea

It's lose, and damn LVQ.

Well she does have zionist in her nic. It's a great time to see what she might mean by that.

702 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:10:54am

re: #664 reine.de.tout

some of the creepiest racism I ever seen was in eastern WA, and I grew up in WA


inside the bluest of states are the weirdest and scariest of people

703 Mocking Jay  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:11:33am

re: #701 LudwigVanQuixote

Well she does have zionist in her nic. It's a great time to see what she might mean by that.

Now you're just being a dick.

704 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:12:30am

re: #703 JasonA

Now you're just being a dick.

Actually no. Please look at the exact post she was referencing. Anyone who claims to be a Zionist stands for the principles that are there. If they don't they are simply a hypocrite.

705 Buck  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:12:31am

re: #683 BongCrodny

"Ya know, racism is a worldwide problem and it's been since the beginning of recorded history. And it ain't just white and black. But thanks to George Wallace, it's always a little more convenient to play it with a Southern accent."

-- Drive-By Truckers, "The Three Great Alabama Icons"

Great quote.... Of course to keep it on topic for LVQ, George Wallace the Democrat.

706 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:12:50am

I feel sorry for the Mormons in the South. You see, every time there is a natural disaster, Mormons are expected to organize, get to work, and help out.

There aren't that many natural disasters in Utah, Idaho, or Arizona. (Droughts don't require mobilization.) Up here in Oregon, we've had one little flood in one town and they let us know right away that they had enough volunteers, thank you, unless you owned a pickup truck, in which case talk to Brother Jones, thank you.

And no, I'm not putting the responsibility on God, unless in the sense that God created geography, which creates these things.

707 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:12:53am

Forgive me for not having a tighter rein on my fellow Southerners. I've called a meeting for tomorrow. I'll try to have this racism thing resolved by week's end. I'm sure they'll listen. It's probably just a miscommunication along the line somewhere.

708 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:13:23am

Magical thinking all around.

Words have meanings.

709 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:13:31am

re: #674 LudwigVanQuixote

And she did. And so did I. If you don't back those things up, I loose respect for you too.

Tough. I'm not planning to do a loyalty oath on LGF, for you or anyone else. Especially not in the middle of an argument about the relative racism of the South and the GOP. And I wasn't part of the original argument, and if you and WUB can't be bothered to lower your voices and communicate, I won't try to do it for you.

710 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:14:16am

re: #709 SanFranciscoZionist

You teachers scare me.
/

711 Buck  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:14:45am

re: #704 LudwigVanQuixote

Actually no. Please look at the exact post she was referencing. Anyone who claims to be a Zionist stands for the principles that are there. If they don't they are simply a hypocrite.

We don't agree on many things, but I do agree with some of your thoughts on Jerusalem, and the Temple mount.

I do not agree with your litmus test on Zionist.

712 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:15:02am

re: #687 Gus 802

Ah. OK. Roger. Copy. Over.

I got it too.
But even though it's been clarified that Alouette was talking about the tornado outbreak, LVQ has yet to express anything close to human compassion, an offer of a prayer, whatever, for what happened in Alabama yesterday, choosing instead to continue to focus on his insistence that southerners are the root of all evil in this country!

Why is that? Why is it so damned hard for LVQ to express any compassion for the plight of those in those (SOUTHERN) states so seriously affected by that tornado outbreak yesterday? Why?

713 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:15:41am

re: #707 tnguitarist

Forgive me for not having a tighter rein on my fellow Southerners. I've called a meeting for tomorrow. I'll try to have this racism thing resolved by week's end. I'm sure they'll listen. It's probably just a miscommunication along the line somewhere.

yes, indeed. I'm doing the same thing!
/

714 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:15:48am

re: #705 Buck

Great quote... Of course to keep it on topic for LVQ, George Wallace the Democrat.

Are you seriously indicating that you don't understand the Republican/Democratic divisions in the post-Civil War South?

715 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:15:55am

re: #707 tnguitarist

Forgive me for not having a tighter rein on my fellow Southerners. I've called a meeting for tomorrow. I'll try to have this racism thing resolved by week's end. I'm sure they'll listen. It's probably just a miscommunication along the line somewhere.

OK... I am not blaming you for that either. No one is.

I am not saying its your fault. No one is.

However, easily demonstrated statements of fact ought best not be ignored simply because we don't like them. That is magical thinking.

We will all die someday too. Argue with it as much as you want.

We can't undo past mistakes either.

716 Mocking Jay  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:16:53am

re: #704 LudwigVanQuixote

Actually no. Please look at the exact post she was referencing. Anyone who claims to be a Zionist stands for the principles that are there. If they don't they are simply a hypocrite.

Gotcha. So it's all or nothing. Black and white.

These labels that we choose for ourselves don't always work that way. I figured someone posting on a thoughtful political blog might get that.

717 BongCrodny  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:16:57am

re: #705 Buck

Great quote... Of course to keep it on topic for LVQ, George Wallace the Democrat.


That's just dumb.

718 Buck  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:17:07am

re: #714 iossarian

Are you seriously indicating that you don't understand the Republican/Democratic divisions in the post-Civil War South?

Nope, but if you want to move that many steps forward you certainly can. You can also just fill in my part of the discussion to suit your needs.

719 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:17:44am

re: #710 Varek Raith

You teachers scare me.
/

They had to go all high-falutin' after they took the knuckle-busters away from them.

720 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:18:22am

re: #709 SanFranciscoZionist

Tough. I'm not planning to do a loyalty oath on LGF, for you or anyone else. Especially not in the middle of an argument about the relative racism of the South and the GOP. And I wasn't part of the original argument, and if you and WUB can't be bothered to lower your voices and communicate, I won't try to do it for you.

Not a matter of a loyalty oath. The man has made clear that he does not believe the Temple is Jewish or that we left the mosques on it in a vain hope it would bring peace.

ON my end that is what this is about.

Why is that not important to you?

What kind of Zionist doesn't immediately stand up for the truth in such a case?

You've just answered it for me eloquently. A hypocrite.

721 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:18:35am

re: #715 LudwigVanQuixote

OK... I am not blaming you for that either. No one is.

I am not saying its your fault. No one is.

However, easily demonstrated statements of fact ought best not be ignored simply because we don't like them. That is magical thinking.

We will all die someday too. Argue with it as much as you want.

We can't undo past mistakes either.

I've never once said that racism doesn't exist here. Please show me where I have. I'm fully damn aware of it. I'm around it every day. What do I do? Bitch? Moan? Cry about it? Some. But I also educate and affect those around me. I do something.

722 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:18:36am

re: #718 Buck

Nope, but if you want to move that many steps forward you certainly can. You can also just fill in my part of the discussion to suit your needs.

ARE YOU PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH?

It's too easy sometimes.

723 allegro  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:18:38am

re: #713 reine.de.tout

yes, indeed. I'm doing the same thing!

I'll organize the Houston meetings. But wait! Houston is pretty blue - we even have an openly gay mayor. I'm gonna have to go on a hunt for those racists and bigots here.

724 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:19:45am

When you're in a hole, stop digging.

725 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:20:06am

re: #716 JasonA

Gotcha. So it's all or nothing. Black and white.

These labels that we choose for ourselves don't always work that way. I figured someone posting on a thoughtful political blog might get that.

No... it's more like certain things go along with the definition.

For example, if you don't believe that Jesus was the son of G-d, and your savior, you are not Christian. You just aren't.

IF you are going to let some person deny the entire history and culture of your people and their rights to their own homeland, then you aren't a Zionist.

726 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:20:38am

re: #723 allegro

I'll organize the Houston meetings. But wait! Houston is pretty blue - we even have an openly gay mayor. I'm gonna have to go on a hunt for those racists and bigots here.

(shhh. .. Baton Rouge is pretty blue as well. And we have a black mayor, who I voted for as being best for the job at the time! Gah. Let's not let actual FACTS get in the way . . . )

727 recusancy  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:20:42am

re: #714 iossarian

Are you seriously indicating that you don't understand the Republican/Democratic divisions in the post-Civil War South?

Remember, he's Canadian.

728 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:20:46am

re: #720 LudwigVanQuixote

Not a matter of a loyalty oath. The man has made clear that he does not believe the Temple is Jewish or that we left the mosques on it in a vain hope it would bring peace.

ON my end that is what this is about.

Why is that not important to you?

What kind of Zionist doesn't immediately stand up for the truth in such a case?

You've just answered it for me eloquently. A hypocrite.

There are a whole bunch of people in the world who don't give a shit about the Jews.

I just ignore them and focus my outrage at the whole bunch of people who actively hate the Jews and try to kill them.

729 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:21:48am

re: #712 reine.de.tout

I got it too.
But even though it's been clarified that Alouette was talking about the tornado outbreak, LVQ has yet to express anything close to human compassion, an offer of a prayer, whatever, for what happened in Alabama yesterday, choosing instead to continue to focus on his insistence that southerners are the root of all evil in this country!

Why is that? Why is it so damned hard for LVQ to express any compassion for the plight of those in those (SOUTHERN) states so seriously affected by that tornado outbreak yesterday? Why?

I can't answer that question. But I have to admit that I don't feel comfortable at all with some of the people making jokes about the South and federal government help at this time. Given the so called anti-fed feelings of the region. I don't think it's in good taste.

730 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:22:07am

re: #721 tnguitarist

I've never once said that racism doesn't exist here. Please show me where I have. I'm fully damn aware of it. I'm around it every day. What do I do? Bitch? Moan? Cry about it? Some. But I also educate and affect those around me. I do something.

So then you are doing the right things. We don't have a beef.

Sometimes it is hard to separate the facts of an argument from the popularity contest aspect of things.

731 b_sharp  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:22:38am

re: #727 recusancy

Remember, he's Canadian.

Then he should make damn sure he's done his homework about another country's history before shooting his mouth off.

732 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:22:42am

re: #701 LudwigVanQuixote

Well she does have zionist in her nic. It's a great time to see what she might mean by that.

Ludwig, I've faced off jacked-up hysterics with khaffiyehs over their faces screaming 'Itbach al-Yahud'. I am not planning to make my bones getting into this morass of an argument you seem to be having.

If we can have a real conversation on the issues that sparked this, well and good, and I will participate, but right now, there is no conversation taking place, just wild claymore swinging.

733 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:22:52am

re: #728 Alouette

There are a whole bunch of people in the world who don't give a shit about the Jews.

I just ignore them and focus my outrage at the whole bunch of people who actively hate the Jews and try to kill them.

Fair enough, but I am sure as 2+2 = 4 not going to let them deny our own history in our own land.

734 Interesting Times  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:24:28am

re: #733 LudwigVanQuixote

Could you go on gmail chat, please? I need to explain something, quickly, and I'd much rather not do it here.

735 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:26:44am

re: #732 SanFranciscoZionist

Ludwig, I've faced off jacked-up hysterics with khaffiyehs over their faces screaming 'Itbach al-Yahud'. I am not planning to make my bones getting into this morass of an argument you seem to be having.

If we can have a real conversation on the issues that sparked this, well and good, and I will participate, but right now, there is no conversation taking place, just wild claymore swinging.

But you can't simply say yes that is the truth here, where there are no people screaming at you in person? The only thing at risk is your popularity with certain blog posters who apparently don't care for those truths either. Courage in the face of real life and cowardice here.

Sorry SFZ. I am deeply unimpressed.

736 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:26:56am

re: #734 publicityStunted

Could you go on gmail chat, please? I need to explain something, quickly, and I'd much rather not do it here.

np

737 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:29:01am

re: #709 SanFranciscoZionist

haha I am trying tore: #735 LudwigVanQuixote

what :/

738 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:30:52am

re: #735 LudwigVanQuixote

you acted like a psycho to CL


now you're about to act the psycho to SFZ! Who is your superior!


whatever dude, let CJ sort it out

739 recusancy  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:32:08am

re: #735 LudwigVanQuixote

But you can't simply say yes that is the truth here, where there are no people screaming at you in person? The only thing at risk is your popularity with certain blog posters who apparently don't care for those truths either. Courage in the face of real life and cowardice here.

Sorry SFZ. I am deeply unimpressed.

You're doing "your people" no services here.

740 albusteve  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:33:58am

re: #735 LudwigVanQuixote

But you can't simply say yes that is the truth here, where there are no people screaming at you in person? The only thing at risk is your popularity with certain blog posters who apparently don't care for those truths either. Courage in the face of real life and cowardice here.

Sorry SFZ. I am deeply unimpressed.

well, that's one for the books...you really outdid yourself tiger
you are projecting, exposing your weakness

741 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:35:36am

re: #735 LudwigVanQuixote

But you can't simply say yes that is the truth here, where there are no people screaming at you in person? The only thing at risk is your popularity with certain blog posters who apparently don't care for those truths either. Courage in the face of real life and cowardice here.

Sorry SFZ. I am deeply unimpressed.

Dude. That's weird. Now your also dragging other people in here into the mud. You might want consider stopping and going for a walk or something.

742 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:35:40am

re: #735 LudwigVanQuixote

But you can't simply say yes that is the truth here, where there are no people screaming at you in person? The only thing at risk is your popularity with certain blog posters who apparently don't care for those truths either. Courage in the face of real life and cowardice here.

Sorry SFZ. I am deeply unimpressed.

So am I.

Now, you want 'yes, that is the truth' to something calling someone an asshole, summarizing a discussion I read through after the fact? Because if I don't sign on, you will have a tantrum about it?

OK, briefly: yes, those are Jewish sites, deeply sacred and enormously significant. Two of them are also Muslim sites.

We could have blown al-Aqsa sky-high in 1967, and because we have middos and common sense, and respect for the faith of others even when they have none for ours, we have protected the mosque. As we should, and as is correct.

My heart bleeds when I see the way Joseph's tomb is being treated.

I can also see, which you apparently cannot, that for WUB, this is not primarily about the Land, which he does not have a personal connection to, but about his own history of being told God's will by others. He's lacking some information. You are lacking some insight. The two of you seem to have made a fine screaming mishegoss out that.

Now, do you have enough information to decide whether I get to keep the Zionist title, or do you have any other forms for me to fill out?

743 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:36:15am

re: #738 WindUpBird

you acted like a psycho to CL

now you're about to act the psycho to SFZ! Who is your superior!

whatever dude, let CJ sort it out

What I wrote was meant to be provocative. It was in the context of a Jewish man shot in a Jewish holy site that was then burnt by Muslims

My entire point is they really don't make much fuss over that, but the idea of touching a Muslim holy site - even if it isn't theirs at all, is in contention. It is contention from so called supporters of Israel. It is in contention by ohh so liberal people I thought I knew like Ice and Jimmah.

The hypocrisy of this crowd is repulsive.

But you who really don't understand a damn thing about this situation had to get yourself involved. If Cl is pissed at me, she can fight for herself.
She certainly does not need to be taken under you wing. And let's face it, that is not your motivation in any case.

You are really not bright enough to understand all this. Ice and Jimmah are.

I am repulsed.

744 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:37:31am

I'm going upthread.

I think that here I am not helping.

745 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:38:42am

re: #743 LudwigVanQuixote

I would like to ask one simple question about the ownership of holy sites:

How many years must elapse with the site under the control of a particular religious group before they "own" it?

746 albusteve  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:42:09am

re: #743 LudwigVanQuixote

What I wrote was meant to be provocative. It was in the context of a Jewish man shot in a Jewish holy site that was then burnt by Muslims

My entire point is they really don't make much fuss over that, but the idea of touching a Muslim holy site - even if it isn't theirs at all, is in contention. It is contention from so called supporters of Israel. It is in contention by ohh so liberal people I thought I knew like Ice and Jimmah.

The hypocrisy of this crowd is repulsive.

But you who really don't understand a damn thing about this situation had to get yourself involved. If Cl is pissed at me, she can fight for herself.
She certainly does not need to be taken under you wing. And let's face it, that is not your motivation in any case.

You are really not bright enough to understand all this. Ice and Jimmah are.

I am repulsed.

go change your undies....you've shit all over yourself

747 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:42:24am

re: #745 iossarian

I would like to ask one simple question about the ownership of holy sites:

How many years must elapse with the site under the control of a particular religious group before they "own" it?

Well that particular question gets answered badly since Israel owns the site now... presumably then the Muslims have no claim by your logic.

I therefore prefer a view that actually respects all sides which is to look at the historical facts. The Temple is the cultural center of one entire people and always has been. - for thousands of years. Sometime later conquerers put up a mosque on that site. However, that is not their holy site at all. They pray towards Mecca.

Now the original owners are in power again.

So let me ask, if I invade your living room and put up a shrine and claim your living room is holy to me, while you are on vacation, do I get to keep your living room?

748 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:48:31am

re: #747 LudwigVanQuixote

Well that particular question gets answered badly since Israel owns the site now... presumably then the Muslims have no claim by your logic.

I therefore prefer a view that actually respects all sides which is to look at the historical facts. The Temple is the cultural center of one entire people and always has been. - for thousands of years. Sometime later conquerers put up a mosque on that site. However, that is not their holy site at all. They pray towards Mecca.

Now the original owners are in power again.

So let me ask, if I invade your living room and put up a shrine and claim your living room is holy to me, while you are on vacation, do I get to keep your living room?

I asked how many years. Not who owns what or when or anything else. Just how many years?

People take over other people's stuff all the time. It stinks, but it happens. And eventually it is forgotten and we pretend that the stuff belonged to the invaders all along.

My question is really - what is the time threshold at which the pretending starts?

BTW, in this specific case, as I've said before, Israel is far more sinned against than sinning.

749 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:50:57am

re: #748 iossarian

I asked how many years. Not who owns what or when or anything else. Just how many years?

People take over other people's stuff all the time. It stinks, but it happens. And eventually it is forgotten and we pretend that the stuff belonged to the invaders all along.

My question is really - what is the time threshold at which the pretending starts?

BTW, in this specific case, as I've said before, Israel is far more sinned against than sinning.

Well how about at least 1000 which is how long it was the center of the people. Add on another 2000 for all the years we never forgot it and prayed towards it - and still do.

750 The Left  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:51:28am

re: #743 LudwigVanQuixote

I don't appreciate you dragging me and Jimmah into this when you're already alienating everyone else who is your friend. You're not going to win anything.

Now I'm back to making dinner.

751 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:53:13am

re: #750 iceweasel

I don't appreciate you dragging me and Jimmah into this when you're already alienating everyone else who is your friend. You're not going to win anything.

Now I'm back to making dinner.

You've been in it all along and encouraging WUB. Please don't deny that.

752 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:54:37am

re: #749 LudwigVanQuixote

Well how about at least 1000 which is how long it was the center of the people. Add on another 2000 for all the years we never forgot it and prayed towards it - and still do.

This sounds like an arbitrary standard that a particular group happens to satisfy.

There were people in the place now called Israel before Judaism, and they had their own gods. What happened to those religions?

753 Aye Pod  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:56:23am

re: #743 LudwigVanQuixote

What I wrote was meant to be provocative. It was in the context of a Jewish man shot in a Jewish holy site that was then burnt by Muslims

My entire point is they really don't make much fuss over that, but the idea of touching a Muslim holy site - even if it isn't theirs at all, is in contention. It is contention from so called supporters of Israel. It is in contention by ohh so liberal people I thought I knew like Ice and Jimmah.

The hypocrisy of this crowd is repulsive.

But you who really don't understand a damn thing about this situation had to get yourself involved. If Cl is pissed at me, she can fight for herself.
She certainly does not need to be taken under you wing. And let's face it, that is not your motivation in any case.

You are really not bright enough to understand all this. Ice and Jimmah are.

I am repulsed.

Bollocks. We take issue with your increasingly insane rhetoric and histrionics. For example your insistence the other night that an "all-out war" was the only solution for Israel - exactly the sort of crap that is pumped out of the puke funnels at Atlas Shrugs, Jihadwatch and other such cesspits on a daily basis. You then denied that you had used that phrase, blaming it first on WUB and then myself.

I don't know what's up with you recently, but it seems to me that you have simply lost it - even to the extent that you don't even know what you are saying half the time. I won't be addressing you again, unless you were to regain your sanity, and also apologise for all of the shitty remarks and slurs you've directed at myself, ice, CL and WUB recently to name a few.

I just can't be bothered being weirded out on a regular basis by your increasingly trollish and attention seeking crap anymore.

754 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:56:50am

re: #752 iossarian

This sounds like an arbitrary standard that a particular group happens to satisfy.

There were people in the place now called Israel before Judaism, and they had their own gods. What happened to those religions?

Umm no


It was the best answer I could give to a question you meant to be unanswerable in a specific case. What do you want me to say?

IS 1000 years as our cultural center not long enough for you? Is the intervening 2000 years where we still considered it our cultural center not long enough? What is?

755 The Left  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:57:56am

That's dinner ready. Good night for now, lizards. Don't break anything.

756 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:59:00am

re: #754 LudwigVanQuixote

Umm no

It was the best answer I could give to a question you meant to be unanswerable in a specific case. What do you want me to say?

IS 1000 years as our cultural center not long enough for you? Is the intervening 2000 years where we still considered it our cultural center not long enough? What is?

Well, my point of course was that there is no standard. You can't say "it's ours because we've been there for X years." Statements like that are not logical arguments, they are just cheerleading.

This is why, in my opinion, it's problematic to start out from a position of "this is ours and always shall be, God says so".

757 zora  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:00:48pm

re: #743 LudwigVanQuixote

What I wrote was meant to be provocative. It was in the context of a Jewish man shot in a Jewish holy site that was then burnt by Muslims

My entire point is they really don't make much fuss over that, but the idea of touching a Muslim holy site - even if it isn't theirs at all, is in contention. It is contention from so called supporters of Israel. It is in contention by ohh so liberal people I thought I knew like Ice and Jimmah.

The hypocrisy of this crowd is repulsive.

But you who really don't understand a damn thing about this situation had to get yourself involved. If Cl is pissed at me, she can fight for herself.
She certainly does not need to be taken under you wing. And let's face it, that is not your motivation in any case.

You are really not bright enough to understand all this. Ice and Jimmah are.

I am repulsed.

mission accomplished. you provoked. so stop whining about the responses. it seems just what you intended.

758 Buck  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:01:40pm

re: #748 iossarian

Your question is in the form of "when did you stop beating your wife?"
there have been Jews in Jerusalem from long before Mohammed. The Jews never gave up Jerusalem. Never abandoned Jerusalem.

They are there now, and have been for many thousands of years.

759 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:04:44pm

re: #758 Buck

Your question is in the form of "when did you stop beating your wife?"
there have been Jews in Jerusalem from long before Mohammed. The Jews never gave up Jerusalem. Never abandoned Jerusalem.

They are there now, and have been for many thousands of years.

Again, my point is that this doesn't lead to some kind of special claim, over and above the reasonable claim of "we've been here a long time".

Hence my "how many years" question.

We can apply exactly the same arguments to many different people who have at some time or other been kicked out of their homes. Including, most obviously, the pre-colonial American peoples.

760 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:05:17pm

re: #753 Jimmah

Bollocks. We take issue with your increasingly insane rhetoric and histrionics. For example your insistence the other night that an "all-out war" was the only solution for Israel - exactly the sort of crap that is pumped out of the puke funnels at Atlas Shrugs, Jihadwatch and other such cesspits on a daily basis. You then denied that you had used that phrase, blaming it first on WUB and then myself.

No, on the contrary, as usually you like to lie when threatened and misquote. I said to CJ no less that I personally believe that peace will only come in the aftermath of a decisive victory, that I still pray it doesn't come to that (I do BTW three times a day) and that when it does come to that I want my people to win. I also wrote that all out war is not pretty and that I have no illusions about what that means.

I don't know what's up with you recently, but it seems to me that you have simply lost it - even to the extent that you don't even know what you are saying half the time. I won't be addressing you again, unless you were to regain your sanity, and also apologise for all of the shitty remarks and slurs you've directed at myself, ice, CL and WUB recently to name a few.

Excuse me.. I had the gall to disagree with you and your groupthink. And BTW you did downding statements that the Temple was Jewish. So did Ice. OK, you know the history. You do not get forgiven for insulting my entire people or its history.

Don't even think about whining to me Jimmah. I am very on to your crap.

You have been dragging WUB into this for no reason and I am not certain why he is in it. The only person I am interested in hearing from on this matter is CL.

I just can't be bothered being weirded out on a regular basis by your increasingly trollish and attention seeking crap anymore.

Excuse me... statements of fact are now trolling - only to those who deny facts. Please Jimmah you are trying to make this into some sort of perverse popularity contest and egging WUB on to do so. This is about your and Ice's web egos and nothing more for you. Given that for me it is about the suffering of my people in the context of a Jewish man shot at a Jewish holy site that was then burnt, I am even more sickened by you.

So how about you actually do ignore me. really. DO it.

I don't like you very much at the moment.

761 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:07:30pm

re: #758 Buck


[...] there have been Jews in Jerusalem from long before Mohammed.

Again, what happened to the pre-Judaic religions and their followers?

762 Buck  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:13:31pm

re: #759 iossarian

Again, my point is that this doesn't lead to some kind of special claim, over and above the reasonable claim of "we've been here a long time".

Hence my "how many years" question.

We can apply exactly the same arguments to many different people who have at some time or other been kicked out of their homes. Including, most obviously, the pre-colonial American peoples.

I am not sure who you think in Israel were "kicked out of their homes"? Please clarify.

763 Buck  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:14:05pm

re: #761 iossarian

Again, what happened to the pre-Judaic religions and their followers?

You mean before the time of Moses? Seriously?

764 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:14:16pm

re: #756 iossarian

Well, my point of course was that there is no standard. You can't say "it's ours because we've been there for X years." Statements like that are not logical arguments, they are just cheerleading.

This is why, in my opinion, it's problematic to start out from a position of "this is ours and always shall be, God says so".

Popping back in.

This isn't the angle of discussion I would take. I'd take this angle:

Israel has been protecting the al-Aqsa mosque since 1967. When Ariel Sharon set foot on the Temple Mount, a whole intifada was sparked--and much of the political and chattering classes of the world accepted without debate that that was, indeed, sufficient cause to spark months of violence.

Joseph's Tomb has been repeatedly damaged and vandalized while under the care of the Palestinian Authority. While pilgrims of all faiths are routinely allowed to worship in Jerusalem, those who wish to worship at the Tomb have had to sneak in and evade detection, risking, and in this latest case, losing, their lives. The political and chattering classes of the world could care less.

If we assume that mutual care of one another's shrines is a prerequisite for peace and mutual security, as, I would argue, in such a region it must be, what would an improvement in this area look like?

765 recusancy  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:15:06pm

re: #761 iossarian

Again, what happened to the pre-Judaic religions and their followers?

Exactly. Should ancestral Aztecs take over Mexico city? Or any other the other countless tribes that have lost their ancestral homelands?

766 Buck  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:16:55pm

re: #765 recusancy

Exactly. Should ancestral Aztecs take over Mexico city? Or any other the other countless tribes that have lost their ancestral homelands?

Can you name a pre-Judaic religion?

767 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:17:38pm

re: #756 iossarian

Well, my point of course was that there is no standard. You can't say "it's ours because we've been there for X years." Statements like that are not logical arguments, they are just cheerleading.

This is why, in my opinion, it's problematic to start out from a position of "this is ours and always shall be, God says so".

I reject that argument completely. You are essentially saying that nothing is anyone's - but not in a profound spiritual way, but rather in a society crumbles way.

OK so then nothing is anyone's, why does it follow that the Muslim claim which is certainly weaker, gets any validity at all?

768 M. Dubious  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:18:51pm

re: #765 recusancy

Exactly. Should ancestral Aztecs take over Mexico city? Or any other the other countless tribes that have lost their ancestral homelands?

Yes, and give it all back to the Huns.

769 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:21:06pm

re: #763 Buck

You mean before the time of Moses? Seriously?

What I mean is that it's pointless to talk about "2,000 years of history" unless you also allow discussion of the 10,000 years that went on before that. Again, my point is that these absolute claims to ownership don't really carry much intellectual clout, especially when ownership has more or less violently changed hands at various points in history.

re: #767 LudwigVanQuixote


OK so then nothing is anyone's, why does it follow that the Muslim claim which is certainly weaker, gets any validity at all?

See, you're happy to say that it's weaker, but not to allow that the Jewish claim might also be weak for the same reasons.

Again, arguing from "God says so" is pointless. Arguing from "we've been here a long time" is slightly less pointless, but then you have to accept that there are other people with similar claims.

re: #764 SanFranciscoZionist

I think this is an extremely well-written and well-thought out comment. I am not trying to propose a solution here (unfortunately). I am trying to point out some of the flaws in people's reasoning that might render solutions harder to come by.

770 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:22:12pm

re: #762 Buck

I am not sure who you think in Israel were "kicked out of their homes"? Please clarify.

I think the Jews have been exiled from Israel several times in their history.

771 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:23:28pm

re: #765 recusancy

Exactly. Should ancestral Aztecs take over Mexico city? Or any other the other countless tribes that have lost their ancestral homelands?

Oooooh, God have mercy, I said I wasn't going to get sucked into this discussion again:

There have been numerous conflicts in Central America in which native peoples have fought for their land and their rights. These have largely found supportive listeners outside of their region.

However, that's not a reasonable analogy to the formation of the State of Israel. Let's leave ancient history to one side for a moment, and focus on the year my mother was born. At the time of Israel's creation, there was a substantial minority Jewish population in the region, which wished to establish an independent state. They were given land to do so by the colonial power which controlled the region, and most of the rest of the land in the area--Jordan, and all the area outside the 1948 borders of Israel--was assigned to the ethnic majority.

Then the fight started.

772 recusancy  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:24:36pm

re: #766 Buck

Can you name a pre-Judaic religion?

Not off the top of my head. But that's beside the point. Nobody has divine right to a geographic location. How many different tribes inhabited what is now considered Israel through the ages?

773 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:25:20pm

re: #769 iossarian

See, you're happy to say that it's weaker, but not to allow that the Jewish claim might also be weak for the same reasons.

NO I pointed out that was the conclusion of your logic directly...

Again, arguing from "God says so" is pointless.

No I argued the whole center of the culture thing for thousands of years...

Arguing from "we've been here a long time" is slightly less pointless, but then you have to accept that there are other people with similar claims.

Right, they have been there for a much shorter time and that is why the Muslim claim was certainly weaker... but you objected to that.... Please man, why are you trying to play silly logic games with me. It's insulting.

774 EdDantes  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:25:51pm

re: #761 iossarian

Again, what happened to the pre-Judaic religions and their followers?

Traditionally, "Vae Victus."

775 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:26:13pm

re: #772 recusancy

Not off the top of my head. But that's beside the point. Nobody has divine right to a geographic location. How many different tribes inhabited what is now considered Israel through the ages?

Well, if you listen to some of the people I have to deal with, it's been nothing but Palestinians back to the Philistines.

They are, of course, lying through their teeth, but if Jews seem a little hung up on asserting our indigenous rights in Israel, it's because there's a well-funded propaganda machine dedicated to portraying us as invaders from the West.

776 recusancy  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:29:24pm

re: #771 SanFranciscoZionist

My point is nobody has a divine right to anything. I'm not arguing against Israel. They are there now and govern it. They have sovereign rights to their territory that they govern. They don't have divine rights. They have to bow to the same ebb and flow of societal changes and problems of politics and governance that everybody else has to.

We have no right to America except that we are here now and successfully govern it.

777 albusteve  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:29:44pm

re: #772 recusancy

Not off the top of my head. But that's beside the point. Nobody has divine right to a geographic location. How many different tribes inhabited what is now considered Israel through the ages?

just to add a bit of color....
Blue Lake was returned to the Taos Pueblo, the hallowed waters from which the people arose

778 albusteve  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:30:52pm

re: #777 albusteve

just to add a bit of color...
Blue Lake was returned to the Taos Pueblo, the hallowed waters from which the people arose

[Link: www.taospueblo.com...]

779 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:30:54pm

re: #773 LudwigVanQuixote


Right, they have been there for a much shorter time and that is why the Muslim claim was certainly weaker... but you objected to that... Please man, why are you trying to play silly logic games with me. It's insulting.

I'm not trying to play logic games with you, nor am I trying to insult you.

I'm trying to understand your argument over the Temple Mount. It seems to me there are two possibilities:

1) Claims to ownership are based on religious belief (I don't think you're making this argument)

2) Claims to ownership are based on a combination of length of ownership and "cultural importance" (which we will assume can be measured).

I think you are arguing from position 2 that the Jewish people have a unique claim to the Temple Mount, and that Muslim claims to it are not legitimate. My argument is that position 2 also leads to a legitimate Muslim claim to the site, since they satisfy its prerequisites. Maybe not as "strong" a claim (whatever that means) but a claim nonetheless.

780 Buck  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:31:03pm

re: #770 iossarian

I think the Jews have been exiled from Israel several times in their history.

Never completely. Conquered many times, but there has been a continuous jewish presence in that land for more than 3000 years. There is no other religion (in that region) that goes back that far.

There has been no other group that has had any kind of continuous presence in that region. In fact Muslim is a relative newcomer. It was only since the 7th century that muslim arabs took an interest in that region. Christians would have a stronger claim over islam if it were only time to be considered.

This isn't a bible thumper telling you this. It is real documented history. Backed up by archeology, and even written history from other countries.

I am not saying that god tells me this (I am an atheist). It is the history of the region. Documented, and true.

781 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:31:53pm

re: #779 iossarian

I'm not trying to play logic games with you, nor am I trying to insult you.

I'm trying to understand your argument over the Temple Mount. It seems to me there are two possibilities:

1) Claims to ownership are based on religious belief (I don't think you're making this argument)

2) Claims to ownership are based on a combination of length of ownership and "cultural importance" (which we will assume can be measured).

I think you are arguing from position 2 that the Jewish people have a unique claim to the Temple Mount, and that Muslim claims to it are not legitimate. My argument is that position 2 also leads to a legitimate Muslim claim to the site, since they satisfy its prerequisites. Maybe not as "strong" a claim (whatever that means) but a claim nonetheless.

Yes I am arguing two.

782 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:33:35pm

re: #781 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes I am arguing two.

So do you agree that Muslims have a legitimate claim to some kind of shared ownership of the site? Or do you think that the stronger claim trumps the weaker one altogether?

783 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:34:28pm

re: #776 recusancy

My point is nobody has a divine right to anything. I'm not arguing against Israel. They are there now and govern it. They have sovereign rights to their territory that they govern. They don't have divine rights. They have to bow to the same ebb and flow of societal changes and problems of politics and governance that everybody else has to.

We have no right to America except that we are here now and successfully govern it.

Fair enough--I personally understand the connection to the land as a religious thing, but no one else needs to.

However, Israel's legitimacy IS challenged on a routine basis, and that basis includes a lot of falsified blather about indigenous rights and the history of the region. Getting it clear is important for that reason.

784 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:35:11pm

re: #782 iossarian

So do you agree that Muslims have a legitimate claim to some kind of shared ownership of the site? Or do you think that the stronger claim trumps the weaker one altogether?

Given the disparity of importance to the two cultures, I think the Muslims have no claim at all. Zero! NONE.

785 Buck  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:35:36pm

re: #772 recusancy

Not off the top of my head. But that's beside the point. Nobody has divine right to a geographic location. How many different tribes inhabited what is now considered Israel through the ages?

You really should look into this. If you are under the impression that there is a people today that were in that region before the Israelites or Jews.

It isn't about divine rights.

This is really important. This is critical to your understanding of the politics in the region.

786 recusancy  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:35:51pm

re: #777 albusteve

just to add a bit of color...
Blue Lake was returned to the Taos Pueblo, the hallowed waters from which the people arose

That's true but they wouldn't be returned if they're hallowed waters were lake Michigan. It's mutually beneficial to give up what you can if it doesn't really harm the entity that gives something up.

787 EdDantes  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:36:04pm

General Petraes , CIA Director. Pineta, SecDef.,

788 [deleted]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:42:14pm
789 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:44:59pm

re: #783 SanFranciscoZionist

I think understanding the nature of different people's claims to the land is of critical importance, absolutely. In my attempts to do so I definitely come to the conclusion that the state of Israel is *mostly* in the right when it comes to current policies.

re: #784 LudwigVanQuixote

Given the disparity of importance to the two cultures, I think the Muslims have no claim at all. Zero! NONE.

I can understand where you're coming from, but this is where I have to disagree.

790 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:47:29pm

re: #789 iossarian

I think understanding the nature of different people's claims to the land is of critical importance, absolutely. In my attempts to do so I definitely come to the conclusion that the state of Israel is *mostly* in the right when it comes to current policies.

re: #784 LudwigVanQuixote

I can understand where you're coming from, but this is where I have to disagree.

Fair enough... So then you should know that the comfy chair in your living room is now holy to me. If you sit on it or even think it is yours, I will threaten to kill you and everyone you love...

By your logic, how do you refute that?

791 Buck  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:49:42pm

re: #790 LudwigVanQuixote

Fair enough... So then you should know that the comfy chair in your living room is now holy to me. If you sit on it or even think it is yours, I will threaten to kill you and everyone you love...

By your logic, how do you refute that?

You have to add that although you have actually never been in his living room, you had a dream where something rewally important happened to you there, and THAT is why it is holy to you.

You leave out the dream part you will sound crazy.

792 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:50:19pm

re: #790 LudwigVanQuixote

Fair enough... So then you should know that the comfy chair in your living room is now holy to me. If you sit on it or even think it is yours, I will threaten to kill you and everyone you love...

By your logic, how do you refute that?

My whole point is that these claims are essentially meaningless. If you want to come over and stake your claim to my comfy chair, fine.

Let me try to state it this way: To the extent that the Jewish people have a claim to the Temple Mount that is based on time of occupation and cultural significance, Muslims have a similar claim to the area which can be justified in a similar way.

793 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:55:57pm

BTW, I have to get out of here in about 15 minutes. Normally I wouldn't bother saying that but I hate it when you're in these heated discussions and then someone pulls out the "TTFN" card.

794 Buck  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:56:06pm

re: #792 iossarian

My whole point is that these claims are essentially meaningless. If you want to come over and stake your claim to my comfy chair, fine.

Let me try to state it this way: To the extent that the Jewish people have a claim to the Temple Mount that is based on time of occupation and cultural significance, Muslims have a similar claim to the area which can be justified in a similar way.

Except that when it was first built there was no time of occupation, or cultural significance. AND it was leveled to the ground three times (if I remember my history correctly) and rebuilt bigger each time. And each time the story of its cultural significance got bigger and bigger.

795 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:57:13pm

re: #792 iossarian

My whole point is that these claims are essentially meaningless. If you want to come over and stake your claim to my comfy chair, fine.

Let me try to state it this way: To the extent that the Jewish people have a claim to the Temple Mount that is based on time of occupation and cultural significance, Muslims have a similar claim to the area which can be justified in a similar way.

NO they do not on either front.

The temple is the center of Jewish culture.

Mecca is the center if Muslim culture, so you are completely wrong on that point.

Te Temple has been important to Jews for 3,000 years.

The mosques are at most 500 years old and were never that important to Islam as a whole and still aren't other than as a political issue in regards to Israel.

So no there is no comparison and it is really kinda shitty you would say something that makes them sound equal... To the extent that Jews have a claim the Muslims have a similar claim... ridiculous and deeply offensive.

796 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:58:19pm

re: #792 iossarian

So no property means anything?

Are you really arguing that?

797 Buck  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:59:44pm

Little known fact... there was a church on that spot before there was a mosque.

I actually lived in Jerusalem for two years. Learned a lot...

798 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:01:00pm

re: #794 Buck

Except that when it was first built there was no time of occupation, or cultural significance. AND it was leveled to the ground three times (if I remember my history correctly) and rebuilt bigger each time. And each time the story of its cultural significance got bigger and bigger.

Precisely. That is the way with cultural significance. You start off with a toehold, then you gain power and you start rewriting history to make it look as if your victory was divinely ordained. People have been doing it of at least 3,000 years, and presumably they were doing it before writing began as well.

re: #796 LudwigVanQuixote

So no property means anything?

Are you really arguing that?

Property is a social construct. When left-wing governments get elected and forcibly nationalise industries, who "owns" the factories?

We get together and write laws that say who owns what and why. That's the way the world works.

799 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:02:46pm

re: #798 iossarian


We get together and write laws that say who owns what and why. That's the way the world works.

As a corollary to this, and to re-use the previous example, if you can persuade enough people that you own my comfy chair, then you do, in fact, own it.

(I'm not worried though.)

800 Buck  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:04:57pm

re: #798 iossarian

Precisely. That is the way with cultural significance. You start off with a toehold, then you gain power and you start rewriting history to make it look as if your victory was divinely ordained. People have been doing it of at least 3,000 years, and presumably they were doing it before writing began as well.

I seriously think your knowledge of the history in the region needs to be updated, and you should know that it is not as simple as the generalization you present.

Maybe you think a people can rewrite history, but the history of that region is well documented. You can't rewrite it.

801 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:05:29pm

re: #798 iossarian

Precisely. That is the way with cultural significance. You start off with a toehold, then you gain power and you start rewriting history to make it look as if your victory was divinely ordained. People have been doing it of at least 3,000 years, and presumably they were doing it before writing began as well.

I am going to take a couple of deep breaths and not scream at you for the rudeness of that. No. the actual spot had an actual Temple on it that was actually there. The actual mount was obviously built by people also, since mountains don't come in big rectangles.

The Temple is Jewish. It is not anyone else's and this has nothing to do with divine right any ore than an argument that Versailles is French would have.


re: #796 LudwigVanQuixote

Property is a social construct. When left-wing governments get elected and forcibly nationalise industries, who "owns" the factories?

We get together and write laws that say who owns what and why. That's the way the world works.

Fine fair ebnough.. Property is a social construct. By the construct that would apply to everyone else, the Temple is ours. We want what is ours.

It is ours by right of building it. It is ours by right of cultural importance, it is ours by right or original ownership. It is ours by right of conquest.

802 b_sharp  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:10:44pm

Just for my own education;

Why did most of the Jewish people leave the middle east?

803 CuriousLurker  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:11:20pm

re: #784 LudwigVanQuixote

Given the disparity of importance to the two cultures, I think the Muslims have no claim at all. Zero! NONE.

re: #788 Buck

To the site... I agree. The golden pimple that is the mosque is there, and out of respect it is not torn down, but there is no legitimate claim to that site by Islam. Mohammed never set foot there, and it was never anything to Islam more than a "let's piss off the jews there and build this".

The scorn & hatred for ALL Muslims in these remarks is precisely what I found so offensive the other morning. If Islam/Muslims have no value, then their religious structures have no value, and Palestinians are Muslims. From that vantage point, it's not a big jump to talk about napalming Palestinians into submission, much as one would destroy a cockroach nest and spray insecticide on the ones that swarmed out.

This talk, this attitude makes me SICK, which is why I bowed out of the previous conversation. It's all too easy to imagine that every Jew secretly feels that way about every Muslim, and I'm not going to let that kind of poison into my mind or soul.

And, Buck, your ignorance is astounding.

These are my final words on this subject, and no amount of railing, straw presentation, or baiting is going to drag me back into it.

804 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:11:44pm

re: #802 b_sharp

Just for my own education;

Why did most of the Jewish people leave the middle east?

Rome. And it isn't that most left but that most in Israel at the time of the second revolt were killed. The outlying communities survived.

805 Buck  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:14:05pm

re: #802 b_sharp

Just for my own education;

Why did most of the Jewish people leave the middle east?

There is no one answer for that.

I think the first documented time was when Josephs brothers and their families went to Egypt to escape a famine.

However another case was when the Asyrian King deported many in order to reduce their strength. That was 700 years before Christ.

806 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:14:29pm

re: #803 CuriousLurker

Really, I said there is a disparity to the importance of the site to both cultures in that quote you responded to.

Are you telling me that there are a significant number of Muslims who see the Temple mount as more important than Mecca?

Are you arguing that?

Please?

Because I am really angry that you have yet to acknowledge that the Temple is to us everything that Mecca is to you.

807 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:16:43pm

re: #803 CuriousLurker

And no. Come out and state your claim directly. Whee do you stand?

You do not get to throw histrionics around and duck the issue.

Temple Mount, Jewish or not? Did we build it or not? Is it the center of our culture or not? DO we have any rights to it or not?

Come out and say it.

808 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:17:15pm

And ice stay out of this. This does not concern you.

809 Aye Pod  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:17:20pm

re: #760 LudwigVanQuixote

No, on the contrary, as usually you like to lie when threatened and misquote. I said to CJ no less that I personally believe that peace will only come in the aftermath of a decisive victory, that I still pray it doesn't come to that (I do BTW three times a day) and that when it does come to that I want my people to win. I also wrote that all out war is not pretty and that I have no illusions about what that means.

For the benefit of anyone who didn't read the last overnight thread in which this took place, here is Ludwig talking about all out war:


That said, when it does, I want my people to win and I don't want any questions about who was right.

And winning means fighting and winning an all out war.

And again :

Yes. I am talking about all out war as the only long term solution to the problem. I have become convinced that is the case, and you are right, that really is not what I think G-d would want. I do however think it is the bes t that we mortal humans can do.

When wrenchwench asked him about it, this was his reply:

re: #439 wrenchwench

How is that different from saying that "all out war" is the only answer?

That is not my quote. That is WUB bloviating.

Then he changed his mind and decided to to attribute it to me:

re: #445 LudwigVanQuixote

That is not my quote. That is WUB bloviating.

PIMF... oops Jimmah write that. Anyway it was not mine.

Like I said LVQ, you've lost it. I said I'd be ignoring you from now on if you kept acting like an asshole. That condition has been met pretty resoundingly, so goodbye.

Now, do us the courtesy of ignoring us in return.

810 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:18:45pm

re: #801 LudwigVanQuixote

Look, when Judaism took hold in what is now Israel, it presumably contended with a number of different religions, as reported in various holy books. I will accept that I am no expert, hence "presumably".

Around the time that Judaism was established as the primary religion, and the Temple was built, there arose a narrative about the divine ordination of these events. This is how people rationalize history.

In more recent times, other people invaded and began their own narratives.

My only point in this whole debate is that these different narratives are of the same type. Some of them may be more or less convincing than others, but they are all trying to do the same thing, which is establish the legitimacy of certain claims to ownership. And I don't see how you can defend one narrative while claiming that another is baseless, since they are, again, of the same type.

811 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:19:11pm

re: #807 LudwigVanQuixote

You do not get to throw histrionics around and duck the issue.

She logged out.

She gets to do that.

812 The Left  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:20:34pm

re: #808 LudwigVanQuixote

And ice stay out of this. This does not concern you.

Sorry, I believe we're allowed to use those up and down ding buttons. I won't let you bully me into not doing so.

Now, since you've already told me I'm on your permanent go to hell list, I suggest you quit addressing me and we ignore each other. You have an awful lot of people ready to fight with, it seems.

813 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:20:39pm

re: #809 Jimmah

I thought you were ignoring this. I admit an error in a misquote of a misquote and explained it there.

In the mean time how about some clear statements from you since you are not ignoring me now.

Temple Mount, Jewish or not? Did we build it or not? Is it the center of our culture or not? Do we have any rights to it or not?

For added interest, Do Jews have the right to pray in their holy places and expect to not be murdered. Should those holy places then be burnt?

And as a finale,

Why is that burning Jewish holy places gets barely a notice from you yet the notion of taking down a Muslim site that squats on someone else's site makes you angry?

Answer those Jimmah.

In fact, Ice you answer too.

814 The Left  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:21:30pm

re: #811 wrenchwench

She logged out.

She gets to do that.

Great, another good poster gone for the day.

815 The Left  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:22:18pm

re: #813 LudwigVanQuixote

I've said all I have to say to you. And now I'm done with the thread too.

816 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:22:19pm

re: #812 iceweasel

Sorry, I believe we're allowed to use those up and down ding buttons. I won't let you bully me into not doing so.

Now, since you've already told me I'm on your permanent go to hell list, I suggest you quit addressing me and we ignore each other. You have an awful lot of people ready to fight with, it seems.

Aww but you keep ducking in and mixing in Ice, so, make up your mind. If you really do ignore me, I promise to treat you like I treat Stevo - which is to mostly ignore him no matter how much he picks a fight. But this I want clear from you because I thought I knew you.

Temple Mount, Jewish or not? Did we build it or not? Is it the center of our culture or not? Do we have any rights to it or not?

For added interest, Do Jews have the right to pray in their holy places and expect to not be murdered. Should those holy places then be burnt?

And as a finale,

Why is that burning Jewish holy places gets barely a notice from you yet the notion of taking down a Muslim site that squats on someone else's site makes you angry?

817 Buck  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:22:31pm

re: #810 iossarian

Look, when Judaism took hold in what is now Israel, it presumably contended with a number of different religions, as reported in various holy books.

Nope. Simply wrong.

818 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:23:09pm

re: #815 iceweasel

I've said all I have to say to you. And now I'm done with the thread too.

NO, you ducked in for a snipe, got caught in a lie about not egging on WUB and are running away from a direct question. That's cowardice and dishonesty on your part.

819 freetoken  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:23:13pm

re: #803 CuriousLurker

The scorn & hatred for ALL Muslims in these remarks is precisely what I found so offensive the other morning.

This.

820 garhighway  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:23:18pm

re: #688 allegro

You are working from the assumption that all votes for the GOP are racist. This too is a fallacy. Many are, no question, and the GOP is definitely fanning those flames and going after those votes. But like saying all southerners are racist isn't true, so it saying all GOP voters are racist isn't true. There are other factors in play.

Not all votes for the GOP are racist.

But only one party has methodically institutionalized racist dogwhistle positions. Only one party has made that a foundation of their approach.

Only one.

821 iossarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:24:18pm

re: #817 Buck

Nope. Simply wrong.

OK, you enlighten me on how Judaism came to be the dominant religion in that part of the world then, and what existed before it was there.

And I'm sorry, but I have to go now...

822 freetoken  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:24:34pm

re: #820 garhighway

Only one.

Actually, smaller parties have done that too, but of the two major parties only the GOP has found it to their institutional advantage (they think) to integrate dog-whistle racism sub-groups.

823 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:25:14pm

re: #819 freetoken

This.

And yet not once have I ever said anything that hates all Muslims. Recall me defending their rights to binding arbitration in sharia courts or park 51?

My question to you then is...

Why is that burning Jewish holy places gets barely a notice from you yet the notion of taking down a Muslim site that squats on someone else's site makes you angry?

Why do I get "special treatment?"

824 freetoken  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:26:49pm

re: #821 iossarian

OK, you enlighten me on how Judaism came to be the dominant religion in that part of the world then, and what existed before it was there.

There are many books written on this subject.

A very highest rated popularizer of the archeological view is Israel Finkelstein:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

825 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:30:06pm

OK fine...

If the temple is not Jewish then...

Neither is the Great Wall Chinese...

Versailles French

Big Ben British

OR the Stone of Scone Scottish.

After all, the Brits have declared it is holy to them too...

826 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:34:52pm

Ice Jimmah you are here actively down dinging. So I know you are not ignoring me... So then answer the questions and show your true colors.

I am calling you out as those ohh so genteel, far left historical, revisionist haters of Israel. Either that, or you are just so angry at me that dinging these issues appeals to your egos.

Temple Mount, Jewish or not? Did we build it or not? Is it the center of our culture or not? Do we have any rights to it or not?

For added interest, Do Jews have the right to pray in their holy places and expect to not be murdered. Should those holy places then be burnt?

And as a finale,

Why is that burning Jewish holy places gets barely a notice from you yet the notion of taking down a Muslim site that squats on someone else's site makes you angry?

827 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:36:04pm

re: #825 LudwigVanQuixote

OK fine...

If the temple is not Jewish then...

Neither is the Great Wall Chinese...

Versailles French

Big Ben British

OR the Stone of Scone Scottish.

After all, the Brits have declared it is holy to them too...

Well I guess Jimmah hates Scotland too. Really dude, the stone of scone is yours and you rape your own culture if you downding that. Or is it instead that you just don't think the Temple is Jewish?

828 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:37:35pm

And with that, we really do know where Iceweasel, Jimmah, WUB and some others stand.

It is plain as day.

829 Mocking Jay  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:39:28pm

re: #828 LudwigVanQuixote

And with that, we really do know where Iceweasel, Jimmah, WUB and some others stand.

Yeah. As far away from you as we possibly can.

830 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:40:47pm

re: #829 JasonA

Yeah. As far away from you as we possibly can.

So is it because I am lying about these facts or because you are pissed at me. If it is because I am lying about certain facts, then I know where to categorize you as well. If it is because you are pissed at me, that is another matter.

I really care more about the facts than the popularity issue.

831 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:41:34pm

re: #829 JasonA

Yeah. As far away from you as we possibly can.

Better phrased, is it because you *think* I am lying about certain facts.

832 Mocking Jay  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:45:17pm

re: #831 LudwigVanQuixote

Better phrased, is it because you *think* I am lying about certain facts.

Dot you think any facts you might have on your side justify the venom you've been gushing in this thread?

833 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:46:20pm

It's my impression that LGF does not have a religious litmus test.

834 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:48:44pm

re: #833 Stanley Sea

It's my impression that LGF does not have a religious litmus test.

Not since the Discordians devoured the Pastafarians.

835 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:48:47pm

re: #833 Stanley Sea

It's my impression that LGF does not have a religious litmus test.

Which is why I am arguing history.

836 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:49:21pm

re: #832 JasonA

Dot you think any facts you might have on your side justify the venom you've been gushing in this thread?

Really, I think I have been very very tame cmpared to what has been directed at me. Why do you see it an other way?

837 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:51:37pm

re: #833 Stanley Sea

It's my impression that LGF does not have a religious litmus test.

Is that the issue for you, that this is all a silly religious thing that you just can't get because religion is kinda silly? I'm not trying to be harsh. Many people look at it like that.

My question is that when a Muslim screams that something is holy to them, everyone respects that, yet that does not apply to the Jews - even in a case that is utterly clear cut like the Temple Mount as to how the Jews feel about it.

838 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:54:47pm

re: #837 LudwigVanQuixote

Is that the issue for you, that this is all a silly religious thing that you just can't get because religion is kinda silly? I'm not trying to be harsh. Many people look at it like that.

My question is that when a Muslim screams that something is holy to them, everyone respects that, yet that does not apply to the Jews - even in a case that is utterly clear cut like the Temple Mount as to how the Jews feel about it.

That is where you are so wrong. And it sucks when we are accused of that. THAT'S what pisses me off.

Oh and that you are an ass to CL.

839 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:55:01pm

And now I'm outta here.

840 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:59:27pm

re: #837 LudwigVanQuixote

Is that the issue for you, that this is all a silly religious thing that you just can't get because religion is kinda silly? I'm not trying to be harsh. Many people look at it like that.

My question is that when a Muslim screams that something is holy to them, everyone respects that, yet that does not apply to the Jews - even in a case that is utterly clear cut like the Temple Mount as to how the Jews feel about it.

It is not silly, LVQ, it is tragic. And that's why I have avoided the last couple discussions. We will not improve anything here, and can only damage a valuable voice in the process. I stared at this problem the years I was in Israel, just as i stared at the European displacement of the New World tribes in school. There is only one real, workable answer--the land belongs to those who can hold it.

841 Buck  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:01:44pm

re: #821 iossarian

OK, you enlighten me on how Judaism came to be the dominant religion in that part of the world then, and what existed before it was there.

And I'm sorry, but I have to go now...

When you come back, I hope you will do some research about religion and culture in that region.

There were no Christians, no Islam, no Buddhists, No Roman Gods, No Greek gods.

There is only one people (again in that region) that has continuous to this day, cultural, language, religion and genetic ties to that ancient time. Only one.

842 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:03:15pm

re: #838 Stanley Sea

That is where you are so wrong. And it sucks when we are accused of that. THAT'S what pisses me off.

Oh and that you are an ass to CL.

How have I been an ass to her at all? Huh? I have never once insulted her.

843 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:03:54pm

re: #838 Stanley Sea

That is where you are so wrong. And it sucks when we are accused of that. THAT'S what pisses me off.

And can you see how it looks that way none the less and is very insulting and infuriating?

844 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:04:24pm

re: #827 LudwigVanQuixote

you rape your own culture if you downding that

Behold! The power of the downding!

LVQ, I won't insult you by suggesting that you should take a break. I will insult you by suggesting that you get it all out at once. You have a burning inside you that needs ventilation. Eventually you will have to eat or sleep or something, then you can come back afterward and read whatever hasn't been deleted, and if your perspective hasn't changed at all, you can continue until nobody responds to you any more. Then you can probably find another forum on which to do it again.

845 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:04:40pm

re: #840 Decatur Deb

It is not silly, LVQ, it is tragic. And that's why I have avoided the last couple discussions. We will not improve anything here, and can only damage a valuable voice in the process. I stared at this problem the years I was in Israel, just as i stared at the European displacement of the New World tribes in school. There is only one real, workable answer--the land belongs to those who can hold it.

Well that is us.

846 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:06:02pm

re: #845 LudwigVanQuixote

Well that is us.

Inshallah.

847 McSpiff  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:07:31pm

re: #841 Buck

When you come back, I hope you will do some research about religion and culture in that region.

There were no Christians, no Islam, no Buddhists, No Roman Gods, No Greek gods.

There is only one people (again in that region) that has continuous to this day, cultural, language, religion and genetic ties to that ancient time. Only one.

There was of course religions in that region before Judaism, but none of them survived antiquity. I know that's the point you're trying to make Buck, just stating it a different way. No one to claim the inheritance other than Judaism if you will.

848 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:12:27pm

re: #844 wrenchwench

You know you have been pretty harsh to me for some time. I am pretty sure I have never said a bad thing about you or to you.

If so I apologize for both it and not remembering it.

But, is my English so very much a different language that no one sees what I said?

In the aftermath of a whole Jewish family brutally slaughtered, a Jewish man prayed at a Jewish holy site and was shot dead. The site was then burnt.

This and the endless rocket attacks have convinced me that an all out war is inevitable. Feel free to debate with me, but that is the origin of any napalm comments. I know that because that is part of why I wrote what I did.

The bigger part is that by any measure, right of history, proof of archaeological, centrality too the culture, certain things in Israel really are Jewish period. There is no Muslim claim to Jerusalem other than as a modern Political one. It was a backwater left to decay until the Jews rebuilt it. Their city is Mecca. Jerusalem was never important to them historically. If it was, why would Saladin do a deal with the crusaders?

So given that, imagine my surprise when no... Lots of people here of all places really just can't acknowledge that.

I have never ever cared for magical thinking.

849 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:14:00pm

re: #846 Decatur Deb

Inshallah.

not funny...

850 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:17:28pm

re: #849 LudwigVanQuixote

not funny...

OK. Deus Vult.

851 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:22:35pm

re: #848 LudwigVanQuixote

You know you have been pretty harsh to me for some time. I am pretty sure I have never said a bad thing about you or to you.

If so I apologize for both it and not remembering it.

But, is my English so very much a different language that no one sees what I said?

In the aftermath of a whole Jewish family brutally slaughtered, a Jewish man prayed at a Jewish holy site and was shot dead. The site was then burnt.

This and the endless rocket attacks have convinced me that an all out war is inevitable. Feel free to debate with me, but that is the origin of any napalm comments. I know that because that is part of why I wrote what I did.

The bigger part is that by any measure, right of history, proof of archaeological, centrality too the culture, certain things in Israel really are Jewish period. There is no Muslim claim to Jerusalem other than as a modern Political one. It was a backwater left to decay until the Jews rebuilt it. Their city is Mecca. Jerusalem was never important to them historically. If it was, why would Saladin do a deal with the crusaders?

So given that, imagine my surprise when no... Lots of people here of all places really just can't acknowledge that.

I have never ever cared for magical thinking.

Magical thinking? The only magical thinking I see here is your thinking. What do you think happened? The Jews turned their backs on day and... poof!... suddenly a big fucking mosque appeared on the Temple Mount? No... the Jews lost the place.

And in 1948, when the world gave the land back to the Jewish people, the world did not give the Temple Mount, lock, stock and barrel back to the Jews. Like it or not, there was now over 1200 years of right of history, proof of archaeological, centrality too the Muslim culture... the Temple Mount was not just a Jewish site anymore.

852 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:25:32pm

re: #821 iossarian

OK, you enlighten me on how Judaism came to be the dominant religion in that part of the world then, and what existed before it was there.

And I'm sorry, but I have to go now...

Well Buck is right to dismiss your presumption that Judaism came from outside and was in conflict with other religions. Judaism is rather a monotheistic evolution of the Canaanite religion that had existed there already. Due to various historical events, the Babylonian exile being notable, one sect became dominant to the exclusion of other gods in the pantheon.

853 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:26:42pm

re: #852 prononymous

Well Buck is right to dismiss your presumption that Judaism came from outside and was in conflict with other religions. Judaism is rather a monotheistic evolution of the Canaanite religion that had existed there already. Due to various historical events, the Babylonian exile being notable, one sect became dominant to the exclusion of other gods in the pantheon.

Stop... I'm having to agree with you... can't have that :)

854 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:34:06pm

re: #853 Walter L. Newton

Stop... I'm having to agree with you... can't have that :)

Not to worry, I'm sure we could squabble and stoke the fires over some minor detail if need be.

855 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:34:53pm

re: #854 prononymous

Not to worry, I'm sure we could squabble and stoke the fires over some minor detail if need be.

Thank goodness... had me worried for a moment :)

856 McSpiff  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:35:09pm

Get a room.

857 McSpiff  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:43:00pm

re: #856 McSpiff

Get a room.

That was dripping in sarcasm, I agree with both of you. No offense intended.

858 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:43:20pm

re: #806 LudwigVanQuixote

Really, I said there is a disparity to the importance of the site to both cultures in that quote you responded to.

Are you telling me that there are a significant number of Muslims who see the Temple mount as more important than Mecca?

Are you arguing that?

Please?

Because I am really angry that you have yet to acknowledge that the Temple is to us everything that Mecca is to you.

I didn't see CL say any of that.
What she and others have objected to, and you cannot, will not see it, is your all-inclusive over-the-top venom toward anything or anyone who doesn't toe the line exactly as you see the line should be toed.

Fox News Babes! Sluts, whores!
The South! Slack-jawed, drooling, inbred slave-owning idiots!
Muslims! No claims! And I can't recall exactly what you called them the other night. Your remarks were not limited to those who did the shooting. It was broad brush, all-inclusive.

And I STILL have not seen, as yet, ANY compassion from you for the (southern) victims of yesterday's tornadoes, after your comment in 496, "Hashem really doesn't like cruel slave owners, or those who agree with them. We had a big holiday about that recently.".

Your focus is so narrow, you miss the point time and time and time again. It's your vicious venomous hatred for all things that don't meet your definition of acceptable. And your definition of what is acceptable is also very very narrow. You can type the words, "I have no hatred!". The problem is the things you write regarding certain things are indeed full of hate and venom. And you cannot or refuse to understand that THAT is what has everybody upset with you.

859 bratwurst  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:44:16pm
860 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:44:28pm

re: #857 McSpiff

Sorry, poe struck again. Reversed.

861 McSpiff  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:48:11pm

re: #858 reine.de.tout

I didn't see CL say any of that.
What she and others have objected to, and you cannot, will not see it, is your all-inclusive over-the-top venom toward anything or anyone who doesn't toe the line exactly as you see the line should be toed.

Fox News Babes! Sluts, whores!
The South! Slack-jawed, drooling, inbred slave-owning idiots!
Muslims! No claims! And I can't recall exactly what you called them the other night. Your remarks were not limited to those who did the shooting. It was broad brush, all-inclusive.

And I STILL have not seen, as yet, ANY compassion from you for the (southern) victims of yesterday's tornadoes, after your comment in 496, "Hashem really doesn't like cruel slave owners, or those who agree with them. We had a big holiday about that recently.".

Your focus is so narrow, you miss the point time and time and time again. It's your vicious venomous hatred for all things that don't meet your definition of acceptable. And your definition of what is acceptable is also very very narrow. You can type the words, "I have no hatred!". The problem is the things you write regarding certain things are indeed full of hate and venom. And you cannot or refuse to understand that THAT is what has everybody upset with you.

There are times Reine where it seems like me and you are from two totally different planets our viewpoints are so different. Then you post something like this and I remember exactly why it is that I like you so much.

862 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:55:29pm

re: #861 McSpiff

There are times Reine where it seems like me and you are from two totally different planets our viewpoints are so different. Then you post something like this and I remember exactly why it is that I like you so much.

Get a room :)

863 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:56:04pm

I'll put it this way. I like LVQ and I agree with many of his posts. But the WAY he says it quite often makes me wish I didn't agree. He is a seriously abrasive dude. Quite the opposite of Carl Sagan, for example.

864 McSpiff  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:56:07pm

re: #862 Walter L. Newton

Get a room :)

Group hug! Enough hate for one thread! Stop squirming Walter!

865 McSpiff  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:00:40pm
866 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:00:55pm

re: #861 McSpiff

There are times Reine where it seems like me and you are from two totally different planets our viewpoints are so different. Then you post something like this and I remember exactly why it is that I like you so much.

{{mcspiff}}

Of course you like me!
LOL.
We're not from such different planets that we have no human compassion, you and I. The other stuff - differences of opinion - not so important as the basics.

867 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:25:05pm

re: #797 Buck

Little known fact... there was a church on that spot before there was a mosque.

I actually lived in Jerusalem for two years. Learned a lot...

The Knights Templar used the Temple Mount as a sort of executive office complex.

868 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 4:29:06pm

re: #850 Decatur Deb

OK. Deus Vult.

Even less funny, but in a humorous way.

869 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:52:56pm

re: #858 reine.de.tout

Everything is a broad brush that offends your delicate flower like sense reine.

First off, I was specifically talking about acts of war committed by the Palestinians and their democratically elected government, Hamas. Their other government the PA (the nice terrorists) and Hizballah.

Now of course, not all Palestinians are evil, but don't forget that democratic election, or their habit of passing out sweets when our women and children are murdered.

Can you read that paragraph? Do you know what the phrase now of course not all are evil means? Is the set theory really that difficult for you?

That was pretty clear to those who can read English. It seems many can't.

So every time the South comes up... I point out that of course there are many southerners who don't think like that. Everytime. I repeated that 5 times it seems in this very thread... You know that whole I know there are lots of great Southerners.

That was pretty clear to those who can read English. It seems many can't.

But yet we have to look at the real success of the very aptly named Southern Strategy.

As to the Fox News women...

Well I won't use the S word, but in absolute reality, what do you call a bleach blonde in a mini skirt pushing her pelvis towards a camera? Does the fact she is doing this while pimping one of the most virulently anti-woman messages in recent American history matter or not to you?

That was pretty clear to those who can read English. It seems many can't.

So the fact of the matter is that the whining is getting really really old.

As to those killed in tornadoes are you insane. Of course I hope those people get help and of course I am very sad for their loss. Of course I am terribly sad for the dead.

That was pretty clear to those who can read English. It seems many can't.

870 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:04:29pm

re: #496 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #494 Alouette

Why does G-d hate Alabama

Hashem really doesn't like cruel slave owners, or those who agree with them. We had a big holiday about that recently.

It does not matter that you did not know she was referring to the tornadoes. Your comment still implies strongly that God does hate Alabama, and for good reason. This, IMHO, is where it started.

I'm going home, as I do every day around this time. I'll see you tomorrow.

871 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:10:13pm

re: #870 wrenchwench

Hashem really doesn't like cruel slave owners, or those who agree with them. We had a big holiday about that recently.

It does not matter that you did not know she was referring to the tornadoes. Your comment still implies strongly that God does hate Alabama, and for good reason. This, IMHO, is where it started.

I'm going home, as I do every day around this time. I'll see you tomorrow.

Wrench, I am quite confident that G-d hates injustice, cruelty and ignorance. Given that, tell me clear what states don't have it coming?

872 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:17:19pm

re: #871 LudwigVanQuixote

Wrench, I am quite confident that G-d hates injustice, cruelty and ignorance. Given that, tell me clear what states don't have it coming?

Obviously I'm not Wrenchwench, but I'll give my uninvited opinion anyway. No states have it coming. Punishing such a large number of people, some of whom are innocent, over a thing like that would be an indicator of a cruel and inhumane god. If those tornadoes really are the will of god then he isn't someone I would ever worship.

873 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:06:42pm

re: #872 prononymous

Obviously I'm not Wrenchwench, but I'll give my uninvited opinion anyway. No states have it coming. Punishing such a large number of people, some of whom are innocent, over a thing like that would be an indicator of a cruel and inhumane god. If those tornadoes really are the will of god then he isn't someone I would ever worship.

You misunderstood a lot of what I wrote earlier. The drought the tornadoes all of it is within predictions of the physics. G-d would only come in to make a miracle to save us. Do you think we merit Him suspending the laws of physics?

874 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:16:05pm

I think if anyone is worth suspending the laws of physics for, the innocents killed by the tornadoes are too.

I'd suspend the laws of physics to save a bunch of people from a tornado, if I had that power. But of course my perspective is skewed, being a mere empathic human.

875 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:17:19pm

re: #869 LudwigVanQuixote

Everything is a broad brush that offends your delicate flower like sense reine.

First off, I was specifically talking about acts of war committed by the Palestinians and their democratically elected government, Hamas. Their other government the PA (the nice terrorists) and Hizballah.

Now of course, not all Palestinians are evil, but don't forget that democratic election, or their habit of passing out sweets when our women and children are murdered.

Can you read that paragraph? Do you know what the phrase now of course not all are evil means? Is the set theory really that difficult for you?

That was pretty clear to those who can read English. It seems many can't.

So every time the South comes up... I point out that of course there are many southerners who don't think like that. Everytime. I repeated that 5 times it seems in this very thread... You know that whole I know there are lots of great Southerners.

That was pretty clear to those who can read English. It seems many can't.

But yet we have to look at the real success of the very aptly named Southern Strategy.

As to the Fox News women...

Well I won't use the S word, but in absolute reality, what do you call a bleach blonde in a mini skirt pushing her pelvis towards a camera? Does the fact she is doing this while pimping one of the most virulently anti-woman messages in recent American history matter or not to you?

That was pretty clear to those who can read English. It seems many can't.

So the fact of the matter is that the whining is getting really really old.

As to those killed in tornadoes are you insane. Of course I hope those people get help and of course I am very sad for their loss. Of course I am terribly sad for the dead.

That was pretty clear to those who can read English. It seems many can't.

What's getting old is this: Many, many here are offended by your comments and the language in which they are presented. They've made it clear that it's not the facts of your arguments they necessarily disagree with, it's the all-inclusive broad brush you paint with and the venomous and hate-filled rhetoric you speak.

And yet you continue to insist it's everybody else who "can't read", you continue to miss the point and instead, continue to insist you are correct, rather than taking a good hard look at yourself and your own prejudices and biases. They're there. They exist. You do not wish to confront them or acknowledge them.

What is this, if not an all-inclusive broad-brush condemnation of entire STATES filled with people of all ethnicities and backgrounds?

re: #871 LudwigVanQuixote

. . .
Wrench, I am quite confident that G-d hates injustice, cruelty and ignorance. Given that, tell me clear what states don't have it coming?

But you won't see it.

And no, I'm not insane. You can say it and say it and say it and say it - and you will be WRONG each time. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

876 Buck  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:24:51pm

re: #857 McSpiff

That was dripping in sarcasm, I agree with both of you. No offense intended.

You agree with them but disagree with me?

877 Buck  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:40:37pm

re: #869 LudwigVanQuixote

As to the Fox News women...

Well I won't use the S word, but in absolute reality, what do you call a bleach blonde in a mini skirt pushing her pelvis towards a camera? Does the fact she is doing this while pimping one of the most virulently anti-woman messages in recent American history matter or not to you?

And once again the misogyny comes out strong.

Seems funny how you post the most anti-woman message I can imagine in order to point out what you think is an anti-woman message.

And worse you are still so unrepentant.

It seems strange to me that i am the only one who is offended by it, but hey I don't understand how you get away with half of the shit you pull.

878 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:40:16am

re: #877 Buck

And once again the misogyny comes out strong.

Seems funny how you post the most anti-woman message I can imagine in order to point out what you think is an anti-woman message.

And worse you are still so unrepentant.

It seems strange to me that i am the only one who is offended by it, but hey I don't understand how you get away with half of the shit you pull.

what?

You're still an idiot, we've been offended at his misogyny for months

879 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:20:52am

re: #878 WindUpBird

So I now have my own feathered stalker here now... fabulous! The fan club grows.

880 McSpiff  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:06:37am

re: #876 Buck

You agree with them but disagree with me?

Not to beat a dead thread, just had this tab open, but I think I agreed with almost everything you said this thread? Which I'll admit is rare.

881 Buck  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:15:44am

re: #878 WindUpBird

what?

You're still an idiot, we've been offended at his misogyny for months

OK, I didn't know. I see people updinging his comments. In the now famous Fox News Sluts threads (there were actually two) alot of people continued to upding him right to the end.

Glad to hear there are a few others.

882 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:18:10am

re: #881 Buck

Did you somehow miss the majority of people criticizing him in that thread, for fuck's sake?

You say all kinds of incredibly stupid shit, and lie a lot, but when you have something worthwhile to say (very, very rare) I still upding you.

883 McSpiff  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:22:34am

re: #881 Buck

OK, I didn't know. I see people updinging his comments. In the now famous Fox News Sluts threads (there were actually two) alot of people continued to upding him right to the end.

Glad to hear there are a few others.

I think LVQ got more leeway than he should have with some of his crazy shit because some people viewed him as a friend, or on their side, or some other sort of clique thing. I'd say those days are done for him. Burned a lot of bridges.

Of course there are many who always called out his shit too.

884 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:56:46am

Oh for crying out loud...

A clique pile on continues.

OK news flash. I am angry at the women on Fox for using their bodies to deny rights to other women over their own bodies. And yes, that behavior is repulsive.

You call that misogynist?

I have been writing about the need for more women in academics and the professions here forever. That is misogynist?

No, what this is, is a pile on in this clique by those with past grudges and WUB who I have never had a beef with before yesterday. It is herd behavior no more and no less. And quite frankly I am not intimidated by it.

885 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:57:44am

re: #880 McSpiff

Not to beat a dead thread, just had this tab open, but I think I agreed with almost everything you said this thread? Which I'll admit is rare.

And another apparent stalker for me too. Fantastic.

886 McSpiff  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 10:04:23am

re: #884 LudwigVanQuixote

Oh for crying out loud...

A clique pile on continues.

OK news flash. I am angry at the women on Fox for using their bodies to deny rights to other women over their own bodies. And yes, that behavior is repulsive.

You call that misogynist?

I have been writing about the need for more women in academics and the professions here forever. That is misogynist?

No, what this is, is a pile on in this clique by those with past grudges and WUB who I have never had a beef with before yesterday. It is herd behavior no more and no less. And quite frankly I am not intimidated by it.

Justify it however you want LVQ. You've offended a lot of people here. There are numerous posts outlining exactly what issues people have with you. Many of them are highly updinged. Read them, reflect on them and what you're saying or don't. But if you choose not to, don't be surprised if you find LGF increasingly hostile to you.

887 McSpiff  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 10:05:04am

re: #885 LudwigVanQuixote

And another apparent stalker for me too. Fantastic.

You have no stalkers here. You have people disagreeing with some of your more horrific statements.

888 Buck  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:11:47pm

re: #884 LudwigVanQuixote

Oh for crying out loud...

A clique pile on continues.

OK news flash. I am angry at the women on Fox for using their bodies to deny rights to other women over their own bodies. And yes, that behavior is repulsive.

You call that misogynist?

Yes, for a whole bunch of reasons that people have already told you.

Yes, if you say that a woman (any woman) doesn't have a right to do what she wants with her own career, and by extension her own clothing choices... then you are attacking all women. The idea that you work towards women doing what YOU think they should do... well it is another form of control. Writing about the need for more women in academics is good, but you spend the other part of your time putting up barriers for them in other fields.

889 Buck  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:30:30pm

re: #884 LudwigVanQuixote

It is herd behavior no more and no less. And quite frankly I am not intimidated by it.

Good for you. Personally, as somebody who often finds himself on the minority side of various arguments, I find that idea from you refreshing. Sometimes you are part of the herd, and sometimes you get run over by it. You want to say something? Just say it the truth about how you feel. Nobody will put you in prison.

I think it is time for everyone here to finally meet the person I know you are.

890 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:59:58pm

re: #881 Buck

OK, I didn't know. I see people updinging his comments. In the now famous Fox News Sluts threads (there were actually two) alot of people continued to upding him right to the end.

Glad to hear there are a few others.

I downdinged a lizard for what I felt what was misogyny directed at Palin. If I didn't downding other misogynistic comments it's only because I didn't see them.


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