Long live Carl Sagan.

re: #1 Gus 802

Long live Carl Sagan.

You mean long live the works of Carl Sagan, right?

Otherwise, you're a bit late.

Isn't the music from that video also in the movie True Romance?

Also.... nice words from Carl Sagan.

re: #2 EmmmieG

You mean long live the works of Carl Sagan, right?

Otherwise, you're a bit late.

Or so we have been lead to believe.

That particular statement by Sagan is, and always will be, one of the most humbling and awe-inducing arguments for our place in the universe I've ever heard.

Thanks for giving me a reason to listen to it again.

*Billions* and *billions* of stars.

I miss Carl. He, along with S. J. Gould and that radical Atheist, Dawkins, are (were) some of the best explicators of science in the world.

(Is explicator a word? Been following the Alabama storms for way too long. I'm a ditz at this point. It's a fucking disaster. Don't be surprised if the death toll is over 125 tomorrow.)

re: #6 austin_blue

*Billions* and *billions* of stars.

I miss Carl. He, along with S. J. Gould and that radical Atheist, Dawkins, are (were) some of the best explicators of science in the world.

(Is explicator a word? Been following the Alabama storms for way too long. I'm a ditz at this point. It's a fucking disaster. Don't be surprised if the death toll is over 125 tomorrow.)

And good night sweet Lizards. I am for the rack.

re: #7 austin_blue

And good night sweet Lizards. I am for the rack.

night...

re: #2 EmmmieG

You mean long live the works of Carl Sagan, right?

Otherwise, you're a bit late.

It's a figure of speech after someone passes away. Which I am sure you are aware of.

Long live King Harold!

re: #9 Gus 802

It's a figure of speech after someone passes away. Which I am sure you are aware of.

Long live King Harold!

Just so you know, the phrase pertains to the king's successor, not the dead king.

re: #10 goddamnedfrank

Just so you know, the phrase pertains to the king's successor, not the dead king.

Erm. Thanks.

Sorry but I think the responses to my comment "Long live Carl Sagan" were pretty lame.

Peter Murphy - Indigo Eyes

Damn. The dweebishness is strong tonight.

Another boring LNDT. Sad really. Later.

Birtherism should be in the DSM as a certifiable mental illness. Seriously. This beyond stupid to bring deeply mental.

re: #16 Irenicum

Grrr. I should really do a grammar check before I post. Obviously, I meant: This is beyond stupid to being deeply mental.

re: #15 Gus 802

Another boring LNDT. Sad really.

The night belongs to the Muses. We do as they inspire us.

re: #10 goddamnedfrank

Just so you know, the phrase pertains to the king's successor, not the dead king.

speaking of kingly successors... only 24 hours until guests start arriving at Westminster Abbey. Then there'll be the procession through the streets; the wedding starts at 11am Greenwich time (I was going to call it Zulu-Time, which is what pilots call it, but somebody wouldn't know that and would think I was making a weird racial reference about an event that doesn't involve anybody of African descent....)

The HATS!! I'm unhealthily obsessed with wanting to see the guests' hats. And I suppose the Royal Balcony Kiss, but not as much as the hats. (admit it, that couple looks like they were drawn by Disney animators).

re: #15 Gus 802

Another boring LNDT. Sad really. Later.

I tried engaging you into a silly conversation... :)

re: #1 Gus 802

If only we had someone that could truly follow in his footsteps. We need a new Sagan. :(

re: #26 prononymous

If only we had someone that could truly follow in his footsteps. We need a new Sagan. :(

Could it be that those who could follow do not due to the anti science phenomenon that exists today? Just like the people best suited to be leaders of our Country want nothing to do with our political process.

the problem with twitter is it's full of cowards

re: #28 WindUpBird

the problem with twitter is it's full of cowards

dang... u still here too... and I felt guilty for checking back in... :)

re: #27 boxhead

It could be the anti-science atmosphere. But that's why we need someone like him more than ever.

It could also be that people who can effectively communicate such complex ideas to the general public are rare.

re: #30 prononymous

It could be the anti-science atmosphere. But that's why we need someone like him more than ever.

It could also be that people who can effectively communicate such complex ideas to the general public are rare.

and are immune from the shite spewed from the usual suspects. That people accuse any scientist that does not fit their narrow belief structure of fudging research for monetary gain is harmful to our existence. I truly think these actions are our worst enemy. Many many will suffer and die because of this.

fetishbird on twitter if you dare :)

ok... sleep is really calling me..... night

re: #29 boxhead

dang... u still here too... and I felt guilty for checking back in... :)

Well, I got trashed with friends and local barfys, four rusty nails and I still got 6 hours of work :-) Portland is so much better than any stalker can imagine. Pussies from the internet, weeping into their keyboards

re: #33 boxhead

ok... sleep is really calling me... night

Good night.

re: #33 boxhead

cheers dude

WindUpBird, GDF's comment is still bothering me from earlier. Do you think I am zealous?

re: #37 prononymous

WindUpBird, GDF's comment is still bothering me from earlier. Do you think I am zealous?

who?

re: #37 prononymous

I am eating a bowl of cereal and making fun of tools on the internet. Who's GDF? :D

GDF = goddamnedfrank.

re: #37 prononymous

honesty and honest hatred of pathetic fools is the best policy

re: #40 prononymous

GDF = goddamnedfrank.

link me, don't know

re: #40 prononymous

I like gdf, he's good nw folks

re: #40 prononymous

part of the culture of we who grew up in the nw is we hate most of the rest of america, because it's full of psychos and racists

Well it was his comment about atheists being zealots. It's a common comment that really irritates me, but I wanted to hear what you thought.

Schieffer: "Ugly strain of racism" in Trump's assertions

"That's just code for saying he got into law school because he's black. This is an ugly strain of racism that's running through this whole thing. We can hope that kind of comes to an end too, but we'll have to see."

re: #45 prononymous

Well it was his comment about atheists being zealots. It's a common comment that really irritates me, but I wanted to hear what you thought.

well I see what he means

because I know athiest zealots

re: #45 prononymous

athiest zealots are mean to christians for no reason

that's probably what he means

re: #45 prononymous

Like, one of my best friends on this earth is a zealot athiest. He just blows up at Christians, period. Like to the point of fistfights.

That's probablyt what gdf means

I know some unstable people!

I hear it about atheists though just dragged out like the magical balance fairy. He didn't really clarify.

re: #45 prononymous

because he's an athiest who's been held at knife point in high school for not believing

that'll affect you, that'll change your life, when you think you'll be killed for not bein' conservative enough

the truth is not politics. The truth is survival. I'm not that guy. My mom's a methodist. Windy is a presbyterian. But I see why eventually, you just don't care, and when someone prosletyzes, you just lash out

re: #50 prononymous

I hear it about atheists though just dragged out like the magical balance fairy. He didn't really clarify.

talk to him. I'm drunk as hell dude, I'm barely awake :)

re: #50 prononymous

though if ya wanna talk to the real me, I'll make a yahoo IM for ya

It's ok. I was just curious about how we/I am perceived.

re: #54 prononymous

It's ok. I was just curious about how we/I am perceived.

i think you're AWESOME

I think you're one of the smartest people this blog has, like CuriousLurker

re: #54 prononymous

just being honest

Well thanks. Though even smart people can be zealous.

I like CuriousLurker too. And that should give everyone some idea how I feel about religious people. :)

re: #57 prononymous

Well thanks. Though even smart people can be zealous.

I like CuriousLurker too. And that should give everyone some idea how I feel about religious people. :)

You are in my top ten lizards ^_^

re: #57 prononymous

and so's GDF. And so's CL. And so's Killgore, and so's Iceweasel. Good folks. Good people!

re: #26 prononymous

If only we had someone that could truly follow in his footsteps. We need a new Sagan. :(

Over on the BBC, a month or so ago they ran a four part science documentary by Brian Cox that was essentially an homage to Sagan and including the re-reading of his last part of Cosmos.

Titled "Wonders of the Universe":

re: #58 WindUpBird

You are one of my favorites here as well. Stay honest, it suits you well.

re: #60 freetoken

Over on the BBC, a month or so ago they ran a four part science documentary by Brian Cox that was essentially an homage to Sagan and including the re-reading of his last part of Cosmos.

Titled "Wonders of the Universe":
[Link: youtu.be...]

Thanks, that is in my watch list and has been moved to the top on your recommendation.

re: #61 prononymous

You are one of my favorites here as well. Stay honest, it suits you well.

trying ta be more honest every day, hence the twitter

re: #46 simoom

Heheheh... I notice in the rating on youtube that the thumbs down lead the thumbs up. The birther/wingnut crowd likes to work the Youtube comments and ratings like they do twitter.

re: #64 freetoken

Let me go balance that out a bit...

re: #62 prononymous

Thanks, that is in my watch list and has been moved to the top on your recommendation.

All four episodes are there, in four parts each. I'm surprised the BBC hasn't had it pulled, but I think those vids haven't gotten a lot of attention yet because most people (like me) link to it indirectly via the uploader's .be link.

It's a lovely little series, but like the Attenborough stuff the emphasis is on production, not information/minute. Beautifully done, it is more visual poetry than science.

re: #65 prononymous

Though no comments. Youtube comments are a cesspool.

re: #66 freetoken

I'll watch it in real HD.

re: #67 prononymous

Though no comments. Youtube comments are a cesspool.

depend son the youtube movie

If you're an extreme metal fan, youtube isa wonderul community :-)

re: #69 WindUpBird

Point well taken. The political/religious stuff can get rather ugly though.

re: #69 WindUpBird

I mostly listen to wussy metal. ;)

re: #68 prononymous

I'll watch it in real HD.

The Blue-ray DVD is not yet available in the US:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

But the book is soon:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

re: #72 freetoken

The Blue-ray DVD is not yet available in the US:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

But the book is soon:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

I'll buy it when the time comes. But I already have the HD version from torrents.

Speaking of zealotry, I see that the growing (?) universalism movement among non-denominational "evangelical" churches (in the US) is really giving the fundamentalists heart burn these days.

The fear of there not being a "hell" is at least as threatening, perhaps more so, than Darwin.

Strangely though, the recent IPSOS poll showed that universalism isn't very popular worldwide, something like only 2% believe in it. Many more people are non-after-life-at-all, or atheists, than the heaven-is-for-everybody types.

I think the problem for fundamentalism (and Catholicism, which seems concerned about this supposed surge of universalism) is that without the zeal to escape Hell the pews (and the coffers) might be more empty.

re: #74 freetoken

I think the problem of declining attendance is more fundamental (heh) then that.

In the past religions could always market themselves effectively. They could always point out why "you need us". The could point out the positive effects they had on stabilizing and advancing society. From monasteries being a primary force of literacy to the stabilizing effect of the "god appointed" king. And of course the threat of eternal pain and torture is always a cherry on top.

But now all they have to market is fear. They can't point to any good reason why we need to believe them. And ultimately people will realize that they don't.

re: #75 prononymous

In the past religions could always market themselves effectively. They could always point out why "you need us".

There's never been a sales gimmick more effective than the Get-Out-Of-Hell-Card.

the problem with the weak sauce on twitter is they all go to bed at night

amateurs

re: #74 freetoken

anyone who truly believes in hell, I don't know anyone like that personally, because those people are the peopke we make fun of

I also don't know anyone who believes airplanes are witches, or anyone who thinks they can levitate or see the future

re: #71 prononymous

I mostly listen to wussy metal. ;)

dude, get you some real metal

re: #71 prononymous

please don't tell me you listen to Dragonforce

Pro-tools metal ain't metal :(

re: #76 freetoken

There's never been a sales gimmick more effective than the Get-Out-Of-Hell-Card.

True, but you need to believe that hell exists first. Not many are worried about needing to escape Helheim.

re: #77 WindUpBird

the problem with the weak sauce on twitter is they all go to bed at night

amateurs

Sleep? At night? Sounds like an excuse to wuss out. ;)

re: #71 prononymous

it isn't metal unless you've had to go to the hospital

either for moshing or for making it

re: #80 WindUpBird

Nah, just melodic death and whatnot.

re: #81 prononymous

Here's a story about the current center of the storm:
[Link: www.mlive.com...]
but the problem is much, much larger.

Part of the revanchist movement in this country the past two years has a distinctly religious thread to it, and the angst that is driving them is not just racial (a la Obama) or economics (unemployment).

re: #79 WindUpBird

dude, get you some real metal

[Video]

I'm only a minute in, but this is fucking epic so far.

re: #84 freetoken

Upding for the comment and for using the term revanchist. Perfect.

re: #83 prononymous

Nah, just melodic death and whatnot.

I'm okay with melodic death but it's not my preference

I like stoner doom, gothic doom, psychedelic prog and technical death

Voivod, The Sword, Electric Wizard, Cathedral, Mastodon, St Vitus/Hidden Hand, Black Cobra, Death, Carcass, classic Queensryche, neurosis, Moonspell, Entombed, Cynic, Athiest, Gorguts, Nile, Paradise Lost and so on :D

Too many bands, not enough hours in the day

I take it you're an Opeth fan?

re: #85 prononymous

I'm only a minute in, but this is fucking epic so far.

Dude, the word is so mighty

here's my favorite thing of the moment, Winos' Hidden hand

if the Sword is my id, this is the ego, it's the softer stuff, still massive, but sensitive at the same time

re: #87 WindUpBird

I take it you're an Opeth fan?

More like old Dark Tranquillity, In Flames, etc.

re: #89 prononymous

More like old Dark Tranquillity, In Flames, etc.

DT is good! Not really what I LIKE like, but they're GOOD. They're an old Century Media band, I know 'em

of the old Century media bands, I like Samael and The Gathering

Like:

But also their newer stuff to a degree.

re: #89 prononymous

I used to be into TECHNICAL shit, when I was mister prog death metal drummer, double kick everything, playing in 7/8, hyperfast prog

now I just want emotive stoner stuff. I'm done being impressive. i want beauty ^_^;

re: #91 prononymous

yaaaagh lead tone from hell

Not my thing, too screamycrazy

Good band, though, really good

re: #91 prononymous

My drumming style is very mid tempo, so that whole snare on all 4 thing, i can't do it anymore, I want big spacious stuff, basically classic rock with everything turned up to crazy :D

re: #91 prononymous

buy they're a great band and you have good taste ^_^

I like guys that can PLAY

Or from their newer stuff:

re: #94 WindUpBird

Both my parents are musical, and much to my embarrassment I'm not. Oh well. :(

re: #96 prononymous

this sounds Queensryche-y with death grunts, haven't heard this

Time magazine has lately been pushing the Rob Bell story quite a bit, including putting him on their "100" list:

Pastor Rob Bell: What if Hell Doesn't Exist?

Rob Bell's Hell: A Threat to the Evangelical Business Plan

Rob Bell

For now anyway, it looks like Rob Bell has temporarily displaced Charles Darwin off the top of the fundamentalists' list of evil people.

re: #97 prononymous

Both my parents are musical, and much to my embarrassment I'm not. Oh well. :(

Mine weren't and I was

I literally grew up with a mother who listened to annette funicello records and had no interest in MUSIC music, so of course she raised two dirtbag kids who play three instruments apiece, ahahaha

re: #98 WindUpBird

this sounds Queensryche-y with death grunts, haven't heard this

It's not exactly typical of their newer stuff. But they have changed a bunch over the years.

re: #91 prononymous

you have probably already heard some Mastodon, but still, here's my favorite thing they ever did

sorry for the ad, it's worth it

re: #101 prononymous

It's not exactly typical of their newer stuff. But they have changed a bunch over the years.

all the good bands do

Mastodon used to be sludge-death, now they're basically a classic rock band with a banjo picker doing lead :D

re: #103 WindUpBird

all the good bands do

Mastodon used to be sludge-death, now they're basically a classic rock band with a banjo picker doing lead :D

Lol.

re: #102 WindUpBird

Indeed. Good stuff.

re: #99 freetoken

About time, because Darwin has been dead a while. :p

re: #104 prononymous

I am half death metal, half Pink Floyd ^_^;;

re: #101 prononymous

here's a thing I guaratee you've never heard

And now I gotta go back and work some more

One of the greatest unknown bands, discovered by Jason Newsted

re: #106 WindUpBird

I am half death metal, half Pink Floyd ^_^;;

I like a lot of various types of music so I rock out here quite often. But when I pick something for myself it usually sounds evil or epic.

re: #107 WindUpBird

Have a good night. I'm out here in a bit.

re: #108 prononymous

I like prog and hallucination and insanity :D So of course I like a lot of weird thrash and Floydey shit :D

re: #109 prononymous

Cheers! ^_^

brokers and athletes/with rich self-denial/I'll choose my winners by who wears the smiles

-Thought Industry, Third Eye

Eat the rich

Morning Kids

In other words: You are here

re: #114 WindUpBird

Motorhead #1!

Semi-related:

Sloppy Seconds: Kill The Trendy

Morning, all

re: #114 WindUpBird

Eat the rich

[Video]

Well, that woke me up...

Damn, more tornado warnings for me.

re: #117 RogueOne

Motorhead #1!

Semi-related:

Sloppy Seconds: Kill The Trendy

[Video]

Actually, that sounded better than it looked.

re: #120 Varek Raith

Lots of storms in the past day:
[Link: www.spc.noaa.gov...]
with lots of fatalities spread around.

re: #120 Varek Raith

Damn, more tornado warnings for me.

Shut her down and get safe.

re: #121 researchok

Actually, that sounded better than it looked.

Sloppy Seconds always sounds better than it looks

Who was Lawrence O'Donnell going off on last night. Was that oily taitz?

re: #125 RogueOne

Yes it was. She wanted to talk about the social security number and Lawrence wanted to talk about the BC and he tossed her off. Ha!

re: #125 RogueOne

Who was Lawrence O'Donnell going off on last night. Was that oily taitz?

Yup.

Made for great theater.

Why he had her on (other than ti beat her up) is beyond me

Yet another amazing video from yesterday, of a tornado moving through hilly country:

That's a fast moving storm!

re: #128 freetoken

Yet another amazing video from yesterday, of a tornado moving through hilly country:

[Video]That's a fast moving storm!

The definition of raw power.

[Link: www2.insidenova.com...]re: #123 researchok

Shut her down and get safe.

I'm good now. Storm moved off the the north.
Damn, what a freaky day. One confirmed tornado in Quantico;
[Link: www2.insidenova.com...]

And another possible one down the road from me.
And reports of 4 deaths at a trailer park in central Va.

Spokane: the dumbest fucking town in the northwest [Link: www.upi.com...]

re: #130 Varek Raith

[Link: www2.insidenova.com...]

I'm good now. Storm moved off the the north.
Damn, what a freaky day. One confirmed tornado in Quantico;
[Link: www2.insidenova.com...]

And another possible one down the road from me.
And reports of 4 deaths at a trailer park in central Va.

Unreal.

We're getting weather today but nothing like that.

One hell of spring.

re: #131 WindUpBird

And I like spokane. But it is just the DUMBEST people, just hicks and rubes and bikers

Good pub there though, steam plant grill, go there

re: #132 researchok

Unreal.

We're getting weather today but nothing like that.

One hell of spring.

gonna get worse in the coming decades :(

re: #131 WindUpBird

I read that the other day. What a waste of time. That prosecutor needs to find another job.

re: #129 researchok

The definition of raw power.

RAW POWER yousay!?!?!?!?!?

re: #135 RogueOne

I read that the other day. What a waste of time. That prosecutor needs to find another job.

SPOKANE is a waste of time

re: #129 researchok

Moar raw powar

re: #131 WindUpBird

Spokane: the dumbest fucking town in the northwest [Link: www.upi.com...]

That city/county DA has to go.

Taxpayers deserve at the every least, consciousness on the part of their civil servants.

Iggy is my Jesus Christ

At least he's mutilated himself enough to be

Gimme Danger, my second favorite Iggy song

You don't get to know the first, because my favorite Iggy song is only for my love :)

Look for romance, let the world burn

re: #131 WindUpBird

Spokane: the dumbest fucking town in the northwest [Link: www.upi.com...]

WHILE JAYWALKING
/

re: #139 researchok

That city/county DA has to go.

Taxpayers deserve at the every least, consciousness on the part of their civil servants.

That city is sorta like the closest the Northwest has to an apocalyptic city

I was waking down the street in spokane with my friend who looks like a Chinese Martial Arts Expert, and I about saw a biker fight in front of me, that town is about ready to rip itself to pieces

re: #142 WindUpBird

That city is sorta like the closest the Northwest has to an apocalyptic city

I was waking down the street in spokane with my friend who looks like a Chinese Martial Arts Expert, and I about saw a biker fight in front of me, that town is about ready to rip itself to pieces

The TP Twilight Zone

re: #141 Varek Raith

WHILE JAYWALKING
/

Jaywalking!

You're lucky if you go five blocks without seeing a rapist's dick in spokane

which is sorta why I love it, it's the closest the NW has to Detroit

re: #143 researchok

The TP Twilight Zone

SO IS!

re: #140 WindUpBird

Iggy is my Jesus Christ

At least he's mutilated himself enough to be

[Video]Gimme Danger, my second favorite Iggy song

You don't get to know the first, because my favorite Iggy song is only for my love :)

Look for romance, let the world burn

I made it halfway through.

I need more coffee.

re: #145 WindUpBird

SO IS!

I visited there once.

That was enough.

Strange women, too.

I gotta go

Later, all.

re: #144 WindUpBird

friend of mine, who is sort of the kind of geek chick that you would imagine would live in Spokane (and she'd agree, she is SO very zen with Spokane, ahaha) she's butch, wears a lot of cargo pants and anime shirts, I've known her since college. She dresses less sexy than I do, and all I wear is metal tees and boots and black pants

She's been stalked a dozen times, just walking around downtown, one of them tried her door as she ran to her car

Spokane is WEIRD TIMES man, don't go out without a gun

re: #146 researchok

I made it halfway through.

I need more coffee.

Iggy is like metal

either you worship iggy, or you think he's a heroin addicted maniac who should be put down ^_^

me, i think he is rock and roll, he IS it

re: #147 researchok

I visited there once.

That was enough.

Strange women, too.

STRANGE EVERYTHING!

Speaking of stupid:

Man arrested for singing 'Kung Fu Fighting'
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Police arrested a singer on racism charges after a man reportedly of Chinese descent complained about his performance of the song "Kung Fu Fighting," according to reports.
....
Ledger told The Sun that police called him later that evening — while he was eating at a Chinese restaurant — to arrange a meeting. It was at that meeting that police arrested him, Ledger said.

The BBC report said police released Ledger after his arrest, intending to question him further at a later date.

"An investigation into this allegation is continuing to establish the full circumstances surrounding what happened," a Hampshire Constabulary spokesman told the network.

"I thought it was a joke but they were serious," Ledger told The Sun. "They seemed pretty amazed but said the law is the law and it was their duty. It's political correctness gone potty (a British term for crazy)."

re: #152 RogueOne

man!

if that's an arrestable offense, my karaoke bar would be in prison for life ahahahahahahaha

re: #153 WindUpBird

man!

if that's an arrestable offense, my karaoke bar would be in prison for life ahahahahahahaha

If they had arrested him for signing disco I would have applauded but that story is crazy-stupid.

re: #152 RogueOne

I did a death metal Paula Abdul, 140% speed and detuned, a totally not-PC-at-all drunk as fuck Kung Fu Fighting, a queer-as-hell East bound and Down, nancing about in costume on Halloween

Music is life, if I'm to be arrested, I HOPE it's from on stage. How Bowie is that? :D

re: #150 WindUpBird

Iggy is like metal

either you worship iggy, or you think he's a heroin addicted maniac who should be put down ^_^

me, i think he is rock and roll, he IS it

There was a concert on HDNet last week and Iggy performed. My wife only knew him from the movie Cry Baby. He was performing "I wanna be your dog". She thinks there might be something wrong with him.

re: #154 RogueOne

If they had arrested him for signing disco I would have applauded but that story is crazy-stupid.

hey now, some disco is cool

I like some abba

A friend of mine who is into the black metal, we did ourselves some Evil Abba :D Abba sung like Slayer is GOOD ABBA

The problem with being a musician is you can't hate music of any kind

I used to hate country

then I became enough of a musician that I saw the craft, and now I only hate country that has nasty politics, i fucking LOVE Hank jr

re: #156 RogueOne

There was a concert on HDNet last week and Iggy performed. My wife only knew him from the movie Cry Baby. He was performing "I wanna be your dog". She thinks there might be something wrong with him.

I like that song a little too much *_*

it's a cover that is often performed by Joan Jett these days, she is very Out in the fetish scene ^___^

re: #157 WindUpBird

Country music literally makes me angry. No idea why but if I'm in a bar and they start with the country music I have to leave.

re: #156 RogueOne

really, after the track marks, what ISN'T wrong with Iggy? :D

re: #160 WindUpBird

really, after the track marks, what ISN'T wrong with Iggy? :D

I've seen video but I never had the opportunity to see him live. He's one I would have liked to have seen.

re: #159 RogueOne

Good country (and good bluegrass!!!) I like. Like really good clever country. Really good angry sad country. When i was still in health care, I had the opportunity to take my clients to a Charlie Daniels Band show

I was amazed! Musicianship: incredible

And they switched it up about halfway though and did a four song rock set that sounded all the world like vintage Blue Oyster Cult

this really is not country, its more grim bluegrass folk but it's sorta...related, i dunno, one of my favorite songs of all time

re: #161 RogueOne

I've seen video but I never had the opportunity to see him live. He's one I would have liked to have seen.

oh fuck yes *_*

I'm so glad I got to see Bowie though, that's one I can check off the list

I hope to see Iggy someday *_*

re: #159 RogueOne

I just can't deal with anyone who doesn't care about music, ya know? ^_^

re: #164 WindUpBird

I just can't deal with anyone who doesn't care about music, ya know? ^_^

Luckily I married well. My spouse and I both listen to music more than we watch TV and, thanks to her job, she's always scoring me free concert tickets.

re: #165 RogueOne

awesome :)

re: #162 WindUpBird

the best thing I can say about a religious song is it makes you want to find Jesus

And that's 16hp

McRage
Why is there so much violent crime at fast-food restaurants?
[Link: www.slate.com...]

Fast-food restaurants haven't entirely replaced banks as crime targets, and criminal activity in such places is no longer on the rise. (Crimes like this, however, are.) The Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates that the number of homicides at "limited service restaurants," which include fast-food chains like McDonald's and KFC, has declined from 35 in 2007 to 15 in 2009. But fast-food establishments like Wendy's and Burger King do see more crime than their "full-service" counterparts, like Ruby Tuesday's or the Olive Garden. BLS estimates that the rate of assaults at limited-service restaurants is more than twice as high as at full-service restaurants. Whereas sit-down restaurants had 0.8 assaults per 10,000 employees in 2009, fast-food joints had 1.8.

I have to run folks. If I'm not back later, enjoy the rest of the day.

re: #168 RogueOne

poor employees

poor customers

shitty area of town

PROFIT

re: #168 RogueOne

there's this KFC on 82nd? 82nd is Portland for Hell. It's like a garbage dump in the shape of a fast food joint

I've never seen a beatdown there, but I've seen a yelling match or two

re: #167 WindUpBird

the best thing I can say about a religious song is it makes you want to find Jesus

And that's 16hp

People laugh when I tell them my favorite religious song is "Are You Drinking With Me Jesus?"

It's sacrilegeous as all get-out, but I think if Jesus were around today, that's what He's be doing: hanging out with the bums, drunks and sinners.

re: #137 WindUpBird

SPOKANE is a waste of time

"I'm Mr. Bad Example..."

re: #172 BongCrodny

it is true :)

And also, the bums and drunks IMHo are more moral than anyone

Anyone in middle management: satan

Anyone who calls the monetary shots in a non profit: worse than satan

I figured out a while ago that people are animals, i watch how they treat each other when one is powerful and the other is disabled, seen it first hand

re: #173 BongCrodny

"I'm Mr. Bad Example..."

intruder in the dirt

like to have a good time

don't care who gets hurt

re: #173 BongCrodny

my favorite song off that record is woke ugly one morning

I want it played at my funeral

unless it comes true :D

re: #175 WindUpBird

intruder in the dirt

like to have a good time

don't care who gets hurt

I always liked the fact that he pronounced Spokane correctly. :-)

re: #177 BongCrodny

I always liked the fact that he pronounced Spokane correctly. :-)

auctioned off every last
naughahyde divan

re: #177 BongCrodny

Spokane isn't the canary in the coal mine for tourist pronunciation

Puyallup is :D

re: #179 WindUpBird

PY-Ah LUP

wrong

POO-ALUP

wong

Holy crap birthers are dumb:

I got the pdf from the White House website, opened it with Acrobat reader, copied the image, pasted it into Word, and an image appeared with most of the text gone and white lines where it should be. I think it’s a fake guys.

Copying and pasting a PDF into word? How is that a test for genuineness?

What spoobs.

re: #181 Obdicut

Holy crap birthers are dumb:

Copying and pasting a PDF into word? How is that a test for genuineness?

What spoobs.

LAYERS!

re: #174 WindUpBird

it is true :)

And also, the bums and drunks IMHo are more moral than anyone

Anyone in middle management: satan

Anyone who calls the monetary shots in a non profit: worse than satan

I figured out a while ago that people are animals, i watch how they treat each other when one is powerful and the other is disabled, seen it first hand

Wish I could agree with you there.

My dad was a drunk, and during the worst of it, there wasn't much that was moral about him.

I'll always honor and cherish the fact that he turned it around toward the end of his life, but with me it's definitely been a case of being able to forgive but not forget.

re: #183 BongCrodny

Wish I could agree with you there.

My dad was a drunk, and during the worst of it, there wasn't much that was moral about him.

I'll always honor and cherish the fact that he turned it around toward the end of his life, but with me it's definitely been a case of being able to forgive but not forget.

My dad drank a lot too! His drink was the rusty nail, and it's now one of mine. Like dad, like kid. But he's a happy silly drunk, we made stuff together, we built RC cars together, we read encyclopedias together, he's a great guy who likes booze. Like me!

it's what I learned in health care that showed me the face of evil :(

heracrhies, organizations of insulated power structures, nobody is responsible, and mean people in bad jobs taking out their frustrations of helpless and powerless people

re: #183 BongCrodny

but condolences about your dad

I had good parents, Bad bad bad experiences with people who weren't my parents, but at least my parents gave me some tools to deal.

Who else watched "South Park" last night?

re: #186 Alouette

I haven't watched that show in ages. I don't know why, the appeal just fell off the roof for me.

Evening folks.

Anyone want a webcomic to get into?

re: #188 laZardo

I'm already into Skin Deep. [Link: www.skindeepcomic.com...] best webcomic on the web :)

re: #186 Alouette

I was busy gettin' drunk

I do love Trey and Matt, they're good folks ^__^

re: #188 laZardo

and I am immediately confused.

re: #187 Obdicut

I haven't watched that show in ages. I don't know why, the appeal just fell off the roof for me.

I never watched it regularly, I watch an episode now and again, one every month

And I have Windy to guide me to the best ones :D

re: #190 WindUpBird

I was busy gettin' drunk

I do love Trey and Matt, they're good folks ^__^

Apple Corp. kidnapped Kyle and made him the middle section of the HumanCentiPad^TM

re: #192 WindUpBird

I'm more of a [Link: www.homestarrunner.com...] and, on the opposite side of the spectrum,

re: #191 Obdicut

oh dude, MS Paint Adventures is a big deal

it's sort of a new watershed moment for webcomics, (much like Penny Arcade was, a long time ago) he's making a living off it, it's multimedia, he has people composing music for him, he does storytelling Flash anims

Andrew Hussie and MSpaint, that's a big deal to me. I don't even read the comic. But it's my business to know what the State Of The Art Is in independent media, and he is that

re: #193 Alouette

Apple Corp. kidnapped Kyle and made him the middle section of the HumanCentiPad^TM

I have to watch this *_*

re: #194 Obdicut

I am the biggest archer fan on earth, I was a Sealab fan :D

Pam and Krieger! my favorites!

re: #194 Obdicut

Pam with the rasta dreads

I about choked from laughing

re: #191 Obdicut

and I am immediately confused.

Be sure to start from the front page for Homestuck. It's been going on for 2 years and more than 3700 "screens" rather than pages, including interactive flashes, so it'll take some time to really get into.

If you'd like something shorter though, just do Problem Sleuth.

#60 free token,
Brian Cox's Wonders of the Universe was exactly that a homage to Carl Sagan.
He was a primary influence on young Brian to take up theoretical physics.
Now Brian is effectively following
Carl with a plethora of excellent science programs.
Another tele physicist is Prof Jim Al Khalili; who's seminal series Atom brings to
the fore the genius of Paul Dirac;(Feynmann's hero)who for some strange reason is almost unheard of outside the esoteric circle of theoretical physicists.
Dirac was the person who theorised the reality of antimatter from his equation.
Now we have PET(positron emission tomography)
He was a colleague of Enrico Fermi who when shown Dirac's equation and asked for his opinion replied;If it's alright with Dirac it's alright with me.
Brian Cox was the keyboard player for the band D ream;but had the sense not to give up his day job.
Recently Brian Cox met Brian May(guitarist of talent) on
Patrick Moore's Sky at Night along with the astronomer royal Sir Martin Rees.
Rees looked at May(now a Ph.D; having completed his astrophysics thesis
30 or more years after he started it)and said" you look like Isaac Newton's double.!"

re: #193 Alouette

did you ever see my favorite ep of South Park? The Heavy Metal:the Movie episode?

re: #199 laZardo

that guy is a visionary genius

and all it takes to be a visionary is to be a weirdo with persistence and some talent for storytelling ^_^

re: #201 WindUpBird

did you ever see my favorite ep of South Park? The Heavy Metal:the Movie episode?

[Video]

My favorite SP is "Tolerance Death Camp." Zedushka's is "The Runaway Penis"

re: #203 Alouette

TOLERANCE DEATH CAMP! well done ^__^
Anything with garrison, I love

I hear chirping voices and the patter of tiny feet. Yes, it is BRING YOUR CHILD TO WORK DAY.

re: #205 Alouette

I work at home and my kids are off on spring break. So it is "send your kids outside to play so you can work day" for me.

holy cow.

At least 194 dead in 5 states from the storms.

Damn.

RE: the nirthtifikit

re: #205 Alouette

I hear chirping voices and the patter of tiny feet. Yes, it is BRING YOUR CHILD TO WORK DAY.

I'm so sorry x

re: #207 reine.de.tout

Any word on the news or the web on what God is punishing us for? I suspect that multiple explanations have been offered...

I have a more minor bad news here too. The Wahabi from earlier? He won the the MSA president position with no opposing candidates.

re: #207 reine.de.tout

Went up on the roof of a friends apartment building to watch the storm pass by Richmond (wasn't in danger, storms were north).

Bubkes. We saw Bubkes.

Now after seeing pictures of the storm's path? Bubkes is my friend.

re: #208 wozzablog

Romulan Wingnut.

(comment fail)

I wasn't around yesterday for the birther thang.

I think Obama was crazy for putting it out. Personally, the whole idea had me mocking the right.

re: #209 wozzablog

I'm so sorry x

I didn't bring any of my kids to work. Mainly because they all have jobs of their own to go to. :)

The last time I participated in this blow-off day and total waste of productive time and company resources, my kids were teenagers. My daughters got bored very quickly and went off and spent the rest of the day at the mall. In fact the only reason they came in the first place was (1) a day off from school (2) I worked right next door to the mall.

My son took the day very seriously. He gathered up his portfolio and spend the day with the graphics design team.

re: #211 ProLifeLiberal

We fund the spread of Wahabism every time we purchase oil from Saudi Arabia. What do we expect? Sort of like we fund terrorists every time we purchase drugs.

re: #215 Alouette

I didn't bring any of my kids to work. Mainly because they all have jobs of their own to go to. :)

The last time I participated in this blow-off day and total waste of productive time and company resources, my kids were teenagers. My daughters got bored very quickly and went off and spent the rest of the day at the mall. In fact the only reason they came in the first place was (1) a day off from school (2) I worked right next door to the mall.

My son took the day very seriously. He gathered up his portfolio and spend the day with the graphics design team.

As long as it's not all rowdy and kids screaming x

re: #216 ralphieboy

Yeah, I know. Doesn't make it feel any better or right though. Those guys have screwed up Islam, and it makes me angry.

re: #214 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I wasn't around yesterday for the birther thang.

I think Obama was crazy for putting it out. Personally, the whole idea had me mocking the right.

Obama used his presser as an opportunity to bash the media, destroy the "carnival barkers" and try to refocus on the agenda of the economy.

I wouldn't have done it - but it turns the media away from asking for it to why Trump whet after it so veheremently when it is "now" so obviously a lie.

Morning Honcos.
Woke up this morning to the most God awful voice of a woman being interviewed on my radio. T'was Pammy. I need a longer Q tip.

I'm at my shop waiting for another meeting....bored. How goes the day?

re: #218 ProLifeLiberal

Yeah, I know. Doesn't make it feel any better or right though. Those guys have screwed up Islam, and it makes me angry.

Instead of being in a position to apply economic or social pressure on Muslim nations to reform we are effecting just the opposite. Muslim nations are in a position to put economic pressure on us to accept their bakward approach.

And when democratic movements get started, people like Pat Robertson complain because it strengthens the Muslim Brotherhood.

re: #220 Cannadian Club Akbar

Morning Honcos.
Woke up this morning to the most God awful voice of a woman being interviewed on my radio. T'was Pammy. I need a longer Q tip.

Image: P2920e24e_dynamit.jpg
Works wonders for stuff stuck in your head.
/:)

re: #219 wozzablog

I really liked the Hardball interview: he treated those guys like what they are - bullies. They use the same approach, picking on someone and then claiming they "didn't really mean it".

In fact Chris matthews even applied the same methods a schoolteacher might use on the playground: asking "How would you feel if someone did that to you?".

And they went away smirking just like unrepentant bullies.

re: #218 ProLifeLiberal

Yeah, I know. Doesn't make it feel any better or right though. Those guys have screwed up Islam, and it makes me angry.

Screwed up Islam?

re: #225 RogueOne

Screwed up Islam?

They have brought out its worst aspects. Eveery religion has its good and bad sides, and under Wahabism, Islam has become even more fundamentalist.

re: #222 ralphieboy

And when democratic movements get started, people like Pat Robertson complain because it strengthens the Muslim Brotherhood.

That's what they use the money for. The "dictators" they don't like just happen to be relatively secular.

portland!

The City of Portland and FBI have decided not to enter into a Memorandum of Understanding for the JTTF, but the City will be cooperating with the JTTF according to the terms of a Resolution.
Mayor Sam Adams released a final draft JTTF resolution in advance of the Thursday, April 28 Portland City Council hearing—scheduled for 2 pm in Council Chambers.

In the week since Mayor Adams released a draft resolution for public comment, Commissioner Randy Leonard has taken the lead on working with stakeholders to refine language in the resolution that specifies how Portland Police officers can work with the JTTF.

The revised proposal seeks to balance the three goals set out at the beginning of the JTTF process: Effectively prevent and investigate criminal acts of terrorism, protect individuals’ rights under United States and Oregon law, and keep Portland an open and inclusive community.

“The city will be well served by this agreement,” Mayor Sam Adams said. “I want to thank Commissioner Leonard for taking on the challenge of refining the language in the draft resolution.”

The final draft resolution specifies that “PPB officers shall work with the JTTF only on investigations of suspected terrorism that have a criminal nexus; in situations where the statutory or common law of Oregon is more restrictive of law enforcement than comparable federal law, the investigative methods employed by PPB officers working on JTTF investigations shall conform to the requirements of such Oregon statutes or common law.”

The final draft resolution also includes a new clause that states: “the City of Portland and FBI have decided not to enter into a Memorandum of Understanding for the JTTF, but the City will be cooperating with the JTTF according to the terms of this Resolution.”

The draft SOP Exhibit A is removed from the final draft resolution. The final draft resolution calls on the Portland Police Bureau to adopt “publicly available administrative polices and procedures consistent with this Resolution.”

good for us, fuck 'em they do nothing for us

re: #228 WindUpBird

we have REAL civilian oversight. We don't time for this shit :-)

re: #215 Alouette

My son took the day very seriously. He gathered up his portfolio and spend the day with the graphics design team.

Your son sounds oddly familiar ^__^

re: #227 laZardo

That's what they use the money for. The "dictators" they don't like just happen to be relatively secular.

We are going to see the same thing with Turkey: a choice beween a secular military dictatorship or an Islamist democracy. That is what we had in Iran under the Shah, in Iraq under Saddam, Egypt under Mubarak and in Libya under Qadaffi.

The Saudis are playing a tricky balancing act: remaining relatively secular in many ways but tolerating and even promoting fundamentalist Islamic teaching. It is about to backfire on them.

re: #226 ralphieboy

They have brought out its worst aspects. Eveery religion has its good and bad sides, and under Wahabism, Islam has become even more fundamentalist.

I'm fairly confident that the keepers of Mecca have a pretty good grasp of sunni Islam. Nothing personal but one of my minor pet peeves is listening to american/euro converts try to explain that somehow the saudi's are "doing it wrong". That's like telling the vatican they don't really understand Catholicism.

re: #231 ralphieboy

The Saudis are playing a tricky balancing act: remaining relatively secular in many ways but tolerating and even promoting fundamentalist Islamic teaching. It is about to backfire on them.

I doubt it. They know the secular bits are just for show, as long as Mecca is in their boundaries. Once the region starts to "fall in line," then they'll be a little less two-faced about it.

re: #232 RogueOne

I'm fairly confident that the keepers of Mecca have a pretty good grasp of sunni Islam. Nothing personal but one of my minor pet peeves is listening to american/euro converts try to explain that somehow the saudi's are "doing it wrong". That's like telling the vatican they don't really understand Catholicism.

P(artial)GMTA

re: #230 WindUpBird

Your son sounds oddly familiar ^__^

Bob?

Eric Bolling And The Case Of The Time Traveling Doctor
Lol

re: #15 Gus 802

Another boring LNDT. Sad really. Later.

LNDT? What's that? Google is no help.

re: #233 laZardo

As long as those who practice and regulate the practice of Islam are convinced that it is the literal and unchanging word of Allah, they will not be able to change or adapt to fit the modern age.

It took Christianity until the Englightenment to understand that the Holy Scriptures are the work of humans - they might well be diviniely inspired, but they are the product of their times and of their social and political situation.

Most of the Islamic world has failed to make this leap, and there are few signs that it going to change any time soon.

re: #237 Lidane

LNDT? What's that? Google is no help.

Late night drinking thread.

re: #237 Lidane

LNDT? What's that? Google is no help.

Late Night Dead Thread.

/or in my case, MAD (Mid Afternoon Dead) Thread

re: #240 laZardo

Late Night Dead Thread.

/or in my case, MAD (Mid Afternoon Dead) Thread

Have any Birfers showed up on previous threads?

re: #232 RogueOne

Thing here is the fact that the Ottoman Empire saw Wahhabism as an aberration. Also, Wahhabism has led to the death of untold thousands, starting with the sack of Karbala in 1801. In any case, Saudi Arabia is the core of the problem. Also the Hashemites ruled the Hijaz (area with Mecca and Medina) for hundreds of years before the Sauds sacked it. So, I would trust the Hashemites more on this matter.

re: #240 laZardo

Late Night Dead Thread.

/or in my case, MAD (Mid Afternoon Dead) Thread

Better than a GWFW (global warming flame war) thread

I think I've told the story here about an impromptu debate between my father (a preacher) and a couple of imams while visiting relatives in Jeddah? They were all very polite, even asking for permission to come visit and debate before showing up, but I was honestly a bit freaked that I was about to get tossed in a saudi jail.

re: #238 ralphieboy

The Muslim World did have the Muslim Golden Age. Unfortunately, the Mongols kinda killed it, along with many of its advances.

re: #244 RogueOne

I think a Saudi jail would look good on you Rogue...good morning.

re: #244 RogueOne

I would have asked for an application to become a head chopper.

re: #242 ProLifeLiberal

Thing here is the fact that the Ottoman Empire saw Wahhabism as an aberration. Also, Wahhabism has led to the death of untold thousands, starting with the sack of Karbala in 1801. In any case, Saudi Arabia is the core of the problem. Also the Hashemites ruled the Hijaz (area with Mecca and Medina) for hundreds of years before the Sauds sacked it. So, I would trust the Hashemites more on this matter.

How can the Saudi's be the "core" of the problem if Wahhabism was in extent in 1801? Saudi Arabia was founded in 1932. Saudi Arabia may be perpetrating and extending the problem... but they are not the "core." The radical aspects of Wahhabist Islam was in place long before Saudi Arabia.

re: #242 ProLifeLiberal

Thing here is the fact that the Ottoman Empire saw Wahhabism as an aberration. Also, Wahhabism has led to the death of untold thousands, starting with the sack of Karbala in 1801. In any case, Saudi Arabia is the core of the problem. Also the Hashemites ruled the Hijaz (area with Mecca and Medina) for hundreds of years before the Sauds sacked it. So, I would trust the Hashemites more on this matter.

The Hashemites were given the eastern part of the Palestine Mandate as a "consolation prize" for their patrimony being given away to the Saud gang of caravan robbers.

Give Arabia back to the Hashemites. Give Jordan to the Palestinians.

The flag of Hejaz. Look familiar?

re: #237 Lidane

LNDT? What's that? Google is no help.

Yeah. What they said, "late night drinking thread." I probably shouldn't have said that but what the hay.

re: #236 Varek Raith

Eric Bolling And The Case Of The Time Traveling Doctor
Lol

Disgusting. Such sick people. This is never going to end -- especially with Fox News fanning the flames.

re: #186 Alouette

Who else watched "South Park" last night?

I did. I laughed my ass off and I cringed. OMG.

Trey Parker and Matt Stone are demented, funny bastards.

re: #246 darthstar

I think a Saudi jail would look good on you Rogue...good morning.

My brother tried to sneak in off a US naval ship to visit and got caught. They took him and my brother-in-law to the local police station, it's one of his funniest stories. Everyone screaming in a language he didn't understand and him continually repeating "U.S. Embassy!".

re: #251 Gus 802

Disgusting. Such sick people. This is never going to end -- especially with Fox News fanning the flames.

Speaking of sick, disgusting people...

Yoo: President Can Slaughter Village, But Not Force Disclosure Of Political Donations

re: #248 Walter L. Newton