Oklahoma GOP Rep. Sally Kern: 'Blacks' Don't Work As Hard As White People

Oklahoma GOP Rep. Sally Kern: ‘Blacks’ Don’t Work As Hard As White People

Gimme dat old school racism

WingnutsApril 2011 • Views: 30,351

In Oklahoma, Republicans in the House of Representatives have passed a proposed constitutional amendment that eliminates affirmative action in state government, a move that’s completely typical for today’s GOP, where the bad old racists are coming out of the shadows everywhere.

Republican Sally Kern explained the reasoning behind this amendment: ‘Blacks’ Don’t Work As Hard As White People.

Rep. Sally Kern, R-Oklahoma City, said minorities earn less than white people because they don’t work as hard and have less initiative.

“We have a high percentage of blacks in prison, and that’s tragic, but are they in prison just because they are black or because they don’t want to study as hard in school? I’ve taught school, and I saw a lot of people of color who didn’t study hard because they said the government would take care of them.”

Kern said women earn less than men because “they tend to spend more time at home with their families.”

In addition to being a blatant racist, Sally Kern is also a creationist.

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255 comments

Vicious Babushka Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:04:16am

Title needs fixing

brennant Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:04:59am

Painful. Sad. Moronic. Vile. FUBAR.

Four More Tears Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:05:21am

O.O

Big Steve Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:07:31am

One can always count on Oklahoma law makers to keep Texas legislators from being at the bottom of the IQ ladder.

Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:07:42am

That's a might big dog whistle you got there Sally Kern.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:09:00am

Bonks head on desk.

recusancy Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:09:08am

re: #5 Gus 802

That's a might big dog whistle you got there Sally Kern.

That's not a dog whistle. That's saying it loud and proud. No nuance there.

Bubblehead II Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:09:41am

re: #5 Gus 802

That's a might big dog whistle you got there Sally Kern.

This is no dog whistle. It's flat out open racism. Unfortunately, it will be accepted by many in the GOP as gospel truth.

Big Steve Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:10:57am

I consider my laziness my best trait. Its why I check in with LGF during the work day but not during my off hours.

Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:11:16am

re: #7 recusancy

re: #8 Bubblehead II

I know. That's probably why I said "that's a might[y] BIG dog whistle..."

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:13:01am

Florence King, who some of you may have read, and who is openly anti-people in general, once described her grandmother's shock at traveling north and seeing blacks eat in restaurants. "Look at them sitting there, large as life."

(Note: Florence King has nothing against blacks more than the rest of the human race, as far as I could tell.)

Anyway, that's my reaction to seeing these kinds of racists as elected officials: Look at them sitting there, large as life.

Lidane Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:13:21am

Gotta love that GOP minority outreach.

Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:14:10am

re: #12 Lidane

Gotta love that GOP minority outreach.

An oldie...

Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, "[n-word], [n-word], [n-word]." By 1968 you can't say "[n-word]" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "[n-word], [n-word]."

Big Steve Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:17:16am

Oh fuck.....just looked her up and she has a degree from the University of Texas....figures.

Varek Raith Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:19:02am

The mask has fallen to the ground and shattered.

Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:19:06am

2010 election results for Kern:

Sally Kern, Rep. 5,717 65.90% Won
Brittany M. Novotny, Dem. 2,958 34.10% Lost

She sure gets a lot of support.

mr.fusion Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:19:24am

I really have very little personal interest in describing myself as a "Democrat," but how in God's name could anyone every vote for a Republican in 2012? Forget about voting for the best person or whatever.....the Republican agenda is just too out of control

eastsider Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:19:38am

lets pretend her anecdote is true. (We will disregard the fact for the moment that one anecdote should not be interpreted as a a policy-affecting statistical truth, but hey, that's just the way the GOP operates right now).

So yeah, you had "a lot of people of people of color who didn’t study hard because they said the government would take care of them." Great.

Maybe, as a teacher, you could, I don't know, attempt to inspire these students towards activity and purpose beyond government-supported subsistence?

Lidane Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:19:47am

re: #14 Big Steve

UT's not so bad. There are plenty of artists and hippies in and around the campus to counter a lot of that kind of rubbish.

Varek Raith Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:20:34am

Seems a flamewar is starting in the overnight thread.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:21:44am

re: #8 Bubblehead II

This is no dog whistle. It's flat out open racism. Unfortunately, it will be accepted by many in the GOP as gospel truth.

I like the 'I was a teacher' angle.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:21:46am

I've never known anyone sitting around doing nothing because they were planning on going on welfare.

I have known people who sit around and do nothing because Mommy and Daddy were footing the bill.

Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:22:31am

Sally Kern:

Education: (times and places of schools, colleges, major, degrees, activities, sports)
Teacher Certification, Social Studies, East Texas State University, 1986
BA, Sociology, University of Texas, Arlington, 1971
Attended, Wayland Baptist University, 1965-1968.

Profession: (profession and work experience outside politics)
Teacher, Oklahoma City Public Schools, 1996-present
Real Estate Agent, Barbara Brandon Independent Agent, 1993-1994
Teacher, Daingerfield Public School District, 1985-1988
Head Invoice Clerk, Procter and Gamble, 1969-1970.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:22:38am

re: #12 Lidane

Gotta love that GOP minority outreach.

I'm sure this charming woman cannot, for the life of her, figure out why black Oklahomans won't vote for her.

Big Steve Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:23:34am

re: #19 Lidane

UT's not so bad. There are plenty of artists and hippies in and around the campus to counter a lot of that kind of rubbish.

agreed about UT (her degree is from UT Arlington btw) but I just wish, just for once, that when some gigantic right wing ass exposes themself somewhere, anywhere, that they didn't have some connection to Texas.

Obdicut Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:24:20am

re: #24 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm sure this charming woman cannot, for the life of her, figure out why black Oklahomans won't vote for her.

Given that it's only 8.31% black, she probably doesn't even care.

The national GOP should care. They should be castigating and reprimanding assholes who say shit like this.

eastsider Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:24:49am

re: #24 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm sure this charming woman cannot, for the life of her, figure out why black Oklahomans won't vote for her.

She probably is well aware of the reasons, but unfortunately this is effective politicking in a state like Oklahoma.

Look at the splits:

[Link: quickfacts.census.gov...]

mr.fusion Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:25:11am

re: #24 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm sure this charming woman cannot, for the life of her, figure out why black ~~Oklahomans~~ Oklahoman won't vote for her.

FIFY

which is why she'll probably get reelected

Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:25:53am

In addition to being a blatant racist, Sally Kern is also a creationist.

Bubblehead II Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:26:11am

She is also appears to be a creationist supporter as well.

Teach the controversy!

Iwouldprefernotto Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:27:23am

Did all the smart OKies leave during the dust bowl? Seems like it.

Winny Spencer Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:27:48am

I have to admit that it feels pretty good to live in a post long-form world.

Bubblehead II Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:28:18am

re: #29 Charles

In addition to being a blatant racist, Sally Kern is also a creationist.

Missed it by just this much. (18 seconds)

Obdicut Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:28:21am

How come the GOP demands that Muslims repudiate and denounce any other Muslim who does wrong, but they can't even bring themselves to discipline members of their own damn party who are corrupt, racist, or batshit insane?

Varek Raith Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:29:08am

re: #34 Obdicut

How come the GOP demands that Muslims repudiate and denounce any other Muslim who does wrong, but they can't even bring themselves to discipline members of their own damn party who are corrupt, racist, or batshit insane?

Ye olde double standard.

Bubblehead II Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:29:09am

re: #34 Obdicut

How come the GOP demands that Muslims repudiate and denounce any other Muslim who does wrong, but they can't even bring themselves to discipline members of their own damn party who are corrupt, racist, or batshit insane?

Ummmmm.... Because they agree with them?

mr.fusion Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:29:23am

re: #29 Charles

In addition to being a blatant racist, Sally Kern is also a creationist.

HOW THE HELL DO THESE PEOPLE GET ELECTED?!?!?!?!

BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:29:36am

OK also has some of the strictest abortion laws in the nation.

iossarian Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:29:38am

re: #19 Lidane

UT's not so bad. There are plenty of artists and hippies in and around the campus to counter a lot of that kind of rubbish.

UT could also be one of several very different campuses - do we know it was Austin?

dragonfire1981 Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:29:59am

If what she says is true why are there so many lazy white people? I mean really, watch teen mom, stupidity and laziness don't follow race lines.

Locker Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:30:15am

re: #34 Obdicut

How come the GOP demands that Muslims repudiate and denounce any other Muslim who does wrong, but they can't even bring themselves to discipline members of their own damn party who are corrupt, racist, or batshit insane?

Because their rose colored glass present a reality where THEY are always right and THEY are on the side of god and ANYTHING they do is justified while all the other unsaved heathens can suck it.

zora Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:30:20am

re: #24 SanFranciscoZionist

she's figured it out. it's because they're racists. oh, and lazy. /

Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:30:22am

She represent OK District 84. Here's a PDF map.

This would be Woodlawn Park.

Demographics

As of the census of 2000, there were 161 people, 75 households, and 48 families residing in the town. The population density was 1,256.4 people per square mile (478.2/km2). There were 77 housing units at an average density of 600.9 per square mile (228.7/km2). The racial makeup of the town was 93.79% White, 1.24% Native American, 0.62% Asian, and 4.35% from two or more races.

94 percent white area.

Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:31:12am

She represent. OK, now I sound like Ali-G.

BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:31:51am

re: #44 Gus 802

She represent. OK, now I sound like Ali-G.

Respect!

Varek Raith Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:33:35am

re: #43 Gus 802

Yeah, I'm going to hell...

Yo She represent otay District 84. Here's uh PDF map. dis here would be Woodlawn Park Ya' dig?

Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:35:49am

I see in addition to the squabble down below we also have the magical balance fairy at play.

Varek Raith Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:37:26am

re: #47 Gus 802

I see in addition to the squabble down below we also have the magical balance fairy at play.

Good ol Buck.

Randall Gross Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:37:28am

re: #29 Charles

In addition to being a blatant racist, Sally Kern is also a creationist.

There was a study not too long ago that showed a correlation between church attendance and affinity for bigotry.

Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:37:43am

re: #34 Obdicut

How come the GOP demands that Muslims repudiate and denounce any other Muslim who does wrong, but they can't even bring themselves to discipline members of their own damn party who are corrupt, racist, or batshit insane?

When will the moderate Republicans speak out?

eastsider Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:38:14am

re: #50 Gus 802

When will the moderate Republicans speak out?

/

The who?

Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:39:18am

re: #51 eastsider

No, the Republicans. /

iossarian Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:39:51am

re: #51 eastsider

The who?

He means the married bachelors.

(Any and all designations of the null set are equivalent.)

Randall Gross Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:39:53am

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

andres Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:40:48am

re: #8 Bubblehead II

This is no dog whistle. It's flat out open racism. Unfortunately, it ~~will be~~ is being accepted by many in the GOP as gospel truth.

FTFY. Refer to: Obama's Grade Qualifications.

reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:42:01am

re: #50 Gus 802

When will the moderate Republicans speak out?

/

At election time. Moderate R's will become conservative Dems, or become politically agnostic. Watch and see. There is not one Republican who is currently a potential candidate to run as the R candidate for Pres that I would vote for. Not one.

Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:42:04am

re: #54 Thanos

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

Looks like prejudice declines at no church attendance and at higher church attendance.

eastsider Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:43:55am

re: #52 Cankles McCellulite

No, the Republicans. /

second base?

iossarian Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:44:22am

Former Secretary of State Colin Powell announced Sunday that he will be voting for Sen. Barack Obama, citing the Democrat's "ability to inspire" and the "inclusive nature of his campaign."

Powell endorses Obama

The "inclusive nature of his campaign", eh? I wonder what that stands in contrast to...

iossarian Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:45:34am

re: #59 iossarian

Oops, wrong thread!

Bubblehead II Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:46:00am

re: #55 andres

Works for me

Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:46:22am

Modified from a Yahoo! Answers question:

Why don't all these so called moderate ~~Muslims~~ Republicans speak out against or go on marches opposing the extremists?

aagcobb Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:46:28am

I'm sure she really tried to inspire her african-american students to study hard./

Big Steve Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:49:06am

But the really BIG news is that Superman is no longer an American.....

Varek Raith Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:50:00am

re: #64 Big Steve

But the really BIG news is that Superman is no longer an American...

I heard he ain't even human!
What nerve!
/

Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:51:29am

re: #65 Varek Raith

I heard he ain't even human!
What nerve!
/

What are you some kind of humanist?

Big Steve Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:51:59am

re: #65 Varek Raith

I heard he ain't even human!
What nerve!
/

probably can't produce his birth certificate either....

Varek Raith Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:52:51am

re: #67 Big Steve

probably can't produce his birth certificate either...

His planet apparently 'exploded'.
How... convenient.

RadicalModerate Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:55:42am

Kern's also rabidly anti-gay, going as far as saying that homosexuality is our nation's greatest threat, and comparing it to cancer.

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

Highlighted quotes from audio included in above link:

— “Studies show that no society that has totally embraced homosexuality has lasted more than, you know, a few decades. So it’s the death knell of this country.”

– “I honestly think it’s the biggest threat our nation has, even more so than terrorism or Islam, which I think is a big threat.”

– “Gays are infiltrating city councils.”

Varek Raith Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:56:57am

re: #69 RadicalModerate

Kern's also rabidly anti-gay, going as far as saying that homosexuality is our nation's greatest threat, and comparing it to cancer.

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

Highlighted quotes from audio included in above link:

She's just a full on wingnutter.
How spayshul.

Sinistershade Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:57:13am

So how come I, as an amazingly lazy white guy, have a degree from a major university and a lucrative career at Fortune 100 companies, while the people outside my window tending the landscaping (who, here in Austin, are invariably Hispanic) are working ten times as hard as I in blistering heat for what I assume is not much more than minimum wage?

What, me worry? Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:57:58am

Anyone who would question the racism behind the GOP is either willfully blind or just plain stupid.

Putting it all in context, OrionXP got it here with Maddow's look at "Black Men Being Forced to Show Papers". They did it to Jews, too, and all discriminated minorities.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

It won't stop at Obama's B.C. Now Trump is going after his school transcripts. What next? Proof he was editor of HLR? His marriage certificate, his children's birth certificates? Every personal paper the man's ever owned? Is no one going to stand up to Trump?

And with grace and dignity the Obamas are getting through all this. One amazing family.

brennant Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:59:42am

re: #72 marjoriemoon

Imagine the President having to explain this to his kids.

leftynyc Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:01:27am

re: #72 marjoriemoon

Anyone who would question the racism behind the GOP is either willfully blind or just plain stupid.

Putting it all in context, OrionXP got it here with Maddow's look at "Black Men Being Forced to Show Papers". They did it to Jews, too, and all discriminated minorities.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

It won't stop at Obama's B.C. Now Trump is going after his school transcripts. What next? Proof he was editor of HLR? His marriage certificate, his children's birth certificates? Every personal paper the man's ever owned? Is no one going to stand up to Trump?

And with grace and dignity the Obamas are getting through all this. One amazing family.

I just read that donnie will be the guest of the Washington Post at teh White House Correspondent's Dinner on Saturday night. This could be entertaining.

Obdicut Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:03:22am

re: #73 brennant

What's funny is all the people who wonder why blacks are 'still' angry. I mean, we ended slavery and passed the civil rights bill. Sure, there are still black men and women living who have memories of being beaten to the ground for the temerity of sitting at a lunch counter, but why are they still angry? Sure, the first black president has been mortified by a creepy, racist smear campaign, but why are black so angry? Sure, blacks get arrested for drug crimes at a far higher rate than whites, even though the percentage of use in the populations is the same, but why are black so angry? Sure, people with 'black-sounding' names are less likely to be called back for an interview than a white person with a goddamn felony, but why are blacks still angry? Sure, Rush Limbaugh, Ron Paul, and a thousand other conservative assholes race-bait, but why are blacks still angry?

What, me worry? Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:04:15am

re: #74 leftynyc

I just read that donnie will be the guest of the Washington Post at teh White House Correspondent's Dinner on Saturday night. This could be entertaining.

Very entertaining. I hope Seinfeld was invited.

Ojoe Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:04:28am

"And yeah, I’ll take on the GOP establishment."

Who said that?

brennant Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:04:58am

re: #75 Obdicut

What's funny is all the people who wonder why blacks are 'still' angry. I mean, we ended slavery and passed the civil rights bill. Sure, there are still black men and women living who have memories of being beaten to the ground for the temerity of sitting at a lunch counter, but why are they still angry? Sure, the first black president has been mortified by a creepy, racist smear campaign, but why are black so angry? Sure, blacks get arrested for drug crimes at a far higher rate than whites, even though the percentage of use in the populations is the same, but why are black so angry? Sure, people with 'black-sounding' names are less likely to be called back for an interview than a white person with a goddamn felony, but why are blacks still angry? Sure, Rush Limbaugh, Ron Paul, and a thousand other conservative assholes race-bait, but why are blacks still angry?

I suggest asking Mr. Trump, as he has a great relationship "with the blacks". /

RadicalModerate Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:07:43am

Well, it's good to know that at least ONE Texan isn't completely insane.

Bill calls for US return to the moon

recusancy Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:07:53am

re: #77 Ojoe

"And yeah, I’ll take on the GOP establishment."

Who said that?

Palin. What's your point?

Winny Spencer Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:08:37am

It has become plainly obvious (as if it wasn't already) what the insinuations underlying the latest nutwing conspiracies are:
- Black man is not smart enough to write Dreams From My Father.
- Black man is not smart enough to get into Columbia or Harvard on merit. In the parlance of Pat 'Buchenwald' Buchanan, he has to be "affirmative action all the way".

researchok Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:09:32am

Kern is monument to stupid.

Romantic Heretic Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:11:39am

The derp just keeps on coming. *rolls eyes*

What, me worry? Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:12:06am

re: #73 brennant

Imagine the President having to explain this to his kids.

I imagine it's part of being Black. All minorities go through it at some point. One would think, though, getting to be president would mean a certain immunity, but I guess not.

I remember when he took the kids to the slave tradepost. I remember seeing their faces and the fear and sadness that went over them. I remember my mother telling me about my family when I was a little girl and it was the same fear and sadness I saw in them.

Look how close the girls snuggle to their parents

The positive thing about it is that it makes you strong and gives others (like us) an opportunity to rally around the "good" guys, the moral guys. So maybe it ain't all bad.

Romantic Heretic Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:15:19am

re: #9 Big Steve

I consider my laziness my best trait. Its why I check in with LGF during the work day but not during my off hours.

As Heinlein pointed out in The Man Who Was Too Lazy To Fail it's the lazy people that accomplish the most. They don't do silly work, and do what is absolutely necessary for success.

Not as big a fan of Heinlein as I used to be, but that story has stayed with me.

b_Snark Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:17:14am

I'm going to make a controversial statement.

Of course blacks, and other minorities, don't work as hard as whites, they're not hired as often as whites because of their non-whiteness.

Hold on, I think she means the minorities who do get hired don't work as hard as whites in the same job. That may also be true because the minorities who do get hired have to increase their productivity to compensate for their non-whiteness and that increased productivity may look like less effort is being expended in completing the job.

Crap, I think I'm wrong again. She means blacks who get hired don't work as hard because they're lazy. Well isn't that just the most blindly privileged lie she could make?

The woman is wearing shit coloured glasses.

BongCrodny Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:21:31am

re: #68 Varek Raith

His planet apparently 'exploded'.
How... convenient.

Kryptonian socialist!

Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:25:16am

Now we know that blacks have biger "dog whistles" (if you get my drift) and are a lot more potent than their white counterparts. In addition, their women are not at all selective about who they do it with or when.

So they are too busy bumpin' uglies to pursue a career or an education.

Simple as that.

Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:32:25am

re: #88 ralphieboy

Now we know that blacks have biger "dog whistles" (if you get my drift) and are a lot more potent than their white counterparts. In addition, their women are not at all selective about who they do it with or when.

So they are too busy bumpin' uglies to pursue a career or an education.

Simple as that.

/

The dog whistle broke and now all the people can hear it. ;)

recusancy Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:32:57am

re: #89 Gus 802

The dog whistle broke and now all the people can hear it. ;)

That's a much better metaphor.

Randall Gross Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:34:56am

re: #57 Gus 802

Looks like prejudice declines at no church attendance and at higher church attendance.

There are newer studies as well that show the same correlation

recusancy Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:35:44am

re: #91 Thanos

There are newer studies as well that show the same correlation

Any links?

theheat Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:35:47am

"I saw a lot of people of color who didn’t study hard because they said the government would take care of them.”

By the same token, lately I've seen a lot of pudgy GOP "Christians" use racism as casually as silverware.

Christian? Check.
Creationist? Check.
20%+ body fat? Check.
Racist? Check.
Republican? Check.
Faux feminist? Check.

Wow, this stereotyping thing really does work. Sally Kern must be on to something.

From the 2011 Value Voters Summit planned breakout sessions:
Divorcing God: Secularism, Sexual Anarchy and the Future of the Republic
How the Welfare State Erodes the Family
The Meaning of Life
Winning Back the White House: Swing State Christians and Tea Party Voters Could Be the Difference
Building Coalitions and Mobilizing Minority Voters
The Solution to the Coming Economic Earthquke
Messaging and Mobilizing a New Generation of World Changers

Looks like they're on their way to "coalition building" with minorities, all right.

Randall Gross Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:39:31am

re: #92 recusancy

Any links?

I'll see if I can find the one from last yr, I remember posting it here

Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:39:50am

re: #93 theheat

Building Coalitions and Mobilizing Minority Voters

They knew that one wouldn't be too popular, so they scheduled it at the same time as "Why Abe Lincoln Was a War Criminal" and "The Bell Curve: Time for Another Look?"

HappyWarrior Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:40:02am

And the GOP wonders why minorities don't vote for them. Yep, they're just too stupid to see why the Republican Party is godo for them. It's not the fact at all that the modern GOP has people like Sally Kern who pander to the lowest common denominator.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:40:07am

re: #84 marjoriemoon

I imagine it's part of being Black. All minorities go through it at some point. One would think, though, getting to be president would mean a certain immunity, but I guess not.

I remember when he took the kids to the slave tradepost. I remember seeing their faces and the fear and sadness that went over them. I remember my mother telling me about my family when I was a little girl and it was the same fear and sadness I saw in them.

Look how close the girls snuggle to their parents

The positive thing about it is that it makes you strong and gives others (like us) an opportunity to rally around the "good" guys, the moral guys. So maybe it ain't all bad.

Those are beautiful pictures. Sad, but lovely.

God, what it must have been like...

Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:40:08am

Obama should be a matter of some satisfaction to conservatives with half a brain: proof that success in America is not a matter of race, and a challenge to all of the black inner-city kids to apply themselves.

But that is obviously not what they have ever wanted to see.

sagehen Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:41:02am

re: #81 Winny Spencer

It has become plainly obvious (as if it wasn't already) what the insinuations underlying the latest nutwing conspiracies are:
- Black man is not smart enough to write Dreams From My Father.
- Black man is not smart enough to get into Columbia or Harvard on merit. In the parlance of Pat 'Buchenwald' Buchanan, he has to be "affirmative action all the way".

[Link: www.salon.com...]

Let us take, as an example, the story of a student so obviously unqualified, so transparently unworthy, that a book was written about what his admittance into Harvard said about the sorry behavior of supposedly elite colleges.

That student -- that dull, below-average student who somehow made his way into Harvard -- was Donald Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner.

Kushner's father, real estate developer Charles Kushner, bought Jared his Harvard acceptance. It cost him $2.5 million. (Kushner later went to jail for tax evasion and witness tampering, so it was also, technically, dirty money that bought Trump's daughter's husband's entry into the Ivy League.)

Wall Street Journal education writer Daniel Golden's book "The Price of Admission" explores the Kushner donation at length. An official at Kushner's (expensive, private) high school told the author: "There was no way anybody in . . . the school thought he would on the merits get into Harvard. His GPA did not warrant it, his SAT scores did not warrant it. We thought, for sure, there was no way this was going to happen."

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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:41:09am

re: #96 HappyWarrior

And the GOP wonders why minorities don't vote for them. Yep, they're just too stupid to see why the Republican Party is godo for them. It's not the fact at all that the modern GOP has people like Sally Kern who pander to the lowest common denominator.

Funny, the GOP is fond of criminals, that should make them all the more attractive to all those incarcereated negroes.

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recusancy Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:42:03am

re: #93 theheat

By the same token, lately I've seen a lot of pudgy GOP "Christians" use racism as casually as silverware.

Christian? Check.
Creationist? Check.
20%+ body fat? Check.
Racist? Check.
Republican? Check.
Faux feminist? Check.

Wow, this stereotyping thing really does work. Sally Kern must be on to something.

From the 2011 Value Voters Summit planned breakout sessions:
Divorcing God: Secularism, Sexual Anarchy and the Future of the Republic
How the Welfare State Erodes the Family
The Meaning of Life
Winning Back the White House: Swing State Christians and Tea Party Voters Could Be the Difference
Building Coalitions and Mobilizing Minority Voters
The Solution to the Coming Economic Earthquke
Messaging and Mobilizing a New Generation of World Changers

Looks like they're on their way to "coalition building" with minorities, all right.

FYI: healthy body fat for women is 20%+. Sally's well over 30%.

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:42:06am

re: #98 ralphieboy

Obama should be a matter of some satisfaction to conservatives with half a brain: proof that success in America is not a matter of race, and a challenge to all of the black inner-city kids to apply themselves.

But that is obviously not what they have ever wanted to see.

Good point. You think the rest of them would get it into their thick skulls that Obama got to where he is through a lot of hard work and personal responsibility.

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:42:58am

re: #102 Gus 802

Good point. You think the rest of them would get it into their thick skulls that Obama got to where he is through a lot of hard work and personal responsibility.

No, the election was bought for him by shadowy puppet-masters.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:43:07am

re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist

Those are beautiful pictures. Sad, but lovely.

God, what it must have been like...

Could be that they were sad, or in a foreign place, or...honestly, cold.

Once at soccer one of my sons came over and gave me a hug. And he hugged me. And he hugged me. This wasn't normal behavior for him. Finally, the light went on.

"Son, it's your job to bring a coat."

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SmithCommaJohn Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:43:35am

There's plenty of room for reasonable disagreement on the merits of affirmative action, and the extent of the role (if any) race should play in hiring and admissions decisions, with the goal of remedying systemic inequality. I'm personally lukewarm to the idea of affirmative action.

But I've never seen a politician come right out and say that they're against it because black people just don't work as hard as white people.

If this is the "new" GOP, I certainly don't want any part of it.

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iossarian Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:43:58am

re: #99 sagehen

His GPA did not warrant it, his SAT scores did not warrant it. We thought, for sure, there was no way this was going to happen.

God I hope Trump wins the GOP nomination.

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HappyWarrior Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:44:56am

re: #100 ralphieboy

Funny, the GOP is fond of criminals, that should make them all the more attractive to all those incarcereated negroes.

/

Well criminals like Oliver North are patriots. But the black teenager who gets caught with bud is a violent criminal. Go figure.

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:45:24am

re: #103 SanFranciscoZionist

No, the election was bought for him by shadowy puppet-masters.

//

Soros!

Seriously. The subtext with these bigots has always been that black don't work hard and are only advanced in their careers because of EOE. So I'd ask these bigots how in the world do they think that Condi Rice and Colin Powell also got into such a high station in American society? What about Justice Thomas?

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Charleston Chew Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:45:30am

re: #93 theheat

Too be fair, the GOP has been hard at work building coalitions and mobilizing minority voters. (They're called Democrats.)

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:46:08am

re: #104 EmmmieG

Could be that they were sad, or in a foreign place, or...honestly, cold.

Once at soccer one of my sons came over and gave me a hug. And he hugged me. And he hugged me. This wasn't normal behavior for him. Finally, the light went on.

"Son, it's your job to bring a coat."

Yeah, I wouldn't read too much in...but I remember touring Holocaust exhibits at that age, and it's a lot.

I know they'll value those pictures later on.

I know some people say those forts have been turned into a bit of a tourist trap, but if that's the way we can preserve them so people remember, so be it.

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mikefromArlington Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:46:11am

The racists are sure getting emboldened.

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:47:15am

re: #108 Gus 802

Soros!

Seriously. The subtext with these bigots has always been that black don't work hard and are only advanced in their careers because of EOE. So I'd ask these bigots how in the world do they think that Condi Rice and Colin Powell also got into such a high station in American society? What about Justice Thomas?

Just looking at Condi Rice makes me tired. That woman has been working her ass off every hour God sends since she was in the womb, and excelling at it all.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:48:57am

re: #99 sagehen

[Link: www.salon.com...]

How many gifted white/black/hispanic/Asian/Native American kids are working their tails off for the 1% edge that would get them into Harvard, knowing that for a kid with no connections, like them, it would make a huge difference in their lives?

Makes me sick.

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b_Snark Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:49:10am

re: #98 ralphieboy

Obama should be a matter of some satisfaction to conservatives with half a brain: proof that success in America is not a matter of race, and a challenge to all of the black inner-city kids to apply themselves.

But that is obviously not what they have ever wanted to see.

What they will do is use Obama's success as validation of their point that it isn't lack of opportunity that explains black's high incarceration, low employment and poor academic achievement numbers but an innate inability to think, work or be honest.

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:49:46am

re: #112 SanFranciscoZionist

Just looking at Condi Rice makes me tired. That woman has been working her ass off every hour God sends since she was in the womb, and excelling at it all.

Renaissance woman. She could have been a fine presidential candidate. She also has a lot of class and has manged not to beclown herself since the end her career with the Bush White House.

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Ericus58 Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:49:57am

re: #56 reine.de.tout

At election time. Moderate R's will become conservative Dems, or become politically agnostic. Watch and see. There is not one Republican who is currently a potential candidate to run as the R candidate for Pres that I would vote for. Not one.

^THIS^
Count me also.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:51:55am

Looking at the storm pictures now, and asking myself: Where would you start? The people in the photos are looking for stuff to salvage for right now, but what about tomorrow? Where do you start?

Okay, over here we'll build a pile of the random bits of wood that once were my walls and floor, and over there we'll have scrap metal that I once drove and washed my dishes in...

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engineer cat Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:51:57am

Kern said women earn less than men because “they tend to spend more time at home with their families."

i'm sure the little lady speaks with the greater moral sense of the tender sex, but she should withdraw from the rough and tumble of masculine forums so that she won't be exposed to the cruel darts of satire that are aimed at her here, and confine herself to the domestic sphere where she can exert the civilizing influence that nature has imbued her with in the manner ordained by god

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:54:08am

re: #117 EmmmieG

I suppose that should have been drove or washed my dishes in. Cars are not that advanced--yet.

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:56:47am

re: #115 Gus 802

Renaissance woman. She could have been a fine presidential candidate. She also has a lot of class and has manged not to beclown herself since the end her career with the Bush White House.

I don't think she's interested in running for office. She's an administrator and a teacher at heart.

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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:57:15am

I found a 2005 study that indicates that institutionalized religion tends to have more prejudice, it's a series of studies for this book:

[Link: books.google.com...]

There's a '72 study, but I'm still digging for the most recent.

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:58:21am

re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't think she's interested in running for office. She's an administrator and a teacher at heart.

Yep. There was that draft Rice movement around 2007 where she stated her disinterest. Can't blame her at all.

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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:58:50am

The 1972 study
[Link: www.jstor.org...]

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engineer cat Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:00:11pm

re: #81 Winny Spencer

It has become plainly obvious (as if it wasn't already) what the insinuations underlying the latest nutwing conspiracies are:
- Black man is not smart enough to write Dreams From My Father.
- Black man is not smart enough to get into Columbia or Harvard on merit. In the parlance of Pat 'Buchenwald' Buchanan, he has to be "affirmative action all the way".

indeed

between the time obama graduated columbia and the time he was accepted at harvard law, obama worked at Business International Corporation, the New York Public Interest Research Group, and then became director of the Developing Communities Project and also worked as a consultant and instructor for the Gamaliel Foundation

i would be really embarrassed to tell you all, by contrast, what i was doing during the years after my first degree and before i went back to school to get my next degree, except that the most respectable part of it involved many thousands of eggs benedicts cranked out bright and early saturday and sunday mornings

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:01:50pm

re: #124 engineer dog

indeed

between the time obama graduated columbia and the time he was accepted at harvard law, obama worked at Business International Corporation, the New York Public Interest Research Group, and then became director of the Developing Communities Project and also worked as a consultant and instructor for the Gamaliel Foundation

i would be really embarrassed to tell you all, by contrast, what i was doing during the years after my first degree and before i went back to school to get my next degree, except that the most respectable part of it involved many thousands of eggs benedicts cranked out bright and early saturday and sunday mornings

I worked for Jewish National Fund for a while...which sounds respectable, if you aren't Jewish Voice for Peace...but it mostly involved typing up certificates for bar mitzvah kids so their synagogue could give them a tree for their bar mitzvah.

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:01:58pm

Which is too bad though. Considering what the GOP gets as far as women candidates are concerned: Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin. Good God there's no comparison there. Of course she's also miles above the men within the GOP presidential pool.

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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:02:24pm

re: #23 Gus 802

Sally Kern:

I'll bet a lot of her black students had a feeling she was a racist and are saying "I knew it!".

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recusancy Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:06:29pm

re: #124 engineer dog

indeed

between the time obama graduated columbia and the time he was accepted at harvard law, obama worked at Business International Corporation, the New York Public Interest Research Group, and then became director of the Developing Communities Project and also worked as a consultant and instructor for the Gamaliel Foundation

i would be really embarrassed to tell you all, by contrast, what i was doing during the years after my first degree and before i went back to school to get my next degree, except that the most respectable part of it involved many thousands of eggs benedicts cranked out bright and early saturday and sunday mornings

Those are just fancy titles for community organizing and helping poor people! That's commie stuff! He should have stayed at BIC and become a galtian feudal lord! ///

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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:09:17pm

A strong back is a terrible thing to waste

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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:10:09pm

re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist

Those are beautiful pictures. Sad, but lovely.

God, what it must have been like...

That place is on my list of places to see. I hear everyone who goes there cries, not just AAs. Some places are just brutally sad and if you are a normal human being you feel it.

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windsagio Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:10:20pm

I'm trying to think of something cogent to say having just seen this this late in the coversation, but... Christ, what the hell?

Normally I kind of enjoy the chance to catch them out being racist but this... this is just sordid.

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:12:24pm

Right on schedule...

Kern apologizes for comments on minorities and women; NAACP says it's not enough

"I want to humbly apologize for my statements last night about African-Americans and women,” Kern, R-Oklahoma City, said in the statement. “I believe that our government should not provide preference based on race or gender. I misspoke while trying to convey this point last night during debate."

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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:12:38pm

re: #103 SanFranciscoZionist

No, the election was bought for him by shadowy puppet-masters.

//

Yeah it was that Jew, George Soros. Should have known they were behind it what with their money grubbing and social justice loving.

///

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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:13:55pm

re: #132 Gus 802

The same thing that Chris Matthews called the birthers out on: bullying. they get in your face and then back down when confronted and claim that is not what they meant.

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albusteve Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:14:48pm

re: #132 Gus 802

Right on schedule...

Kern apologizes for comments on minorities and women; NAACP says it's not enough

my Humble Meter just farted and shut down

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:15:18pm

re: #135 albusteve

my Humble Meter just farted and shut down

Funny. Your humble meter has a rectum?

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windsagio Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:15:21pm

re: #134 ralphieboy

The same thing that Chris Matthews called the birthers out on: bullying. they get in your face and then back down when confronted and claim that is not what they meant.

maybe she had a long deep look into her soul last night, and didn't like what she found.

(yeah, one can dream)

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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:15:45pm

re: #108 Gus 802

Soros!

Seriously. The subtext with these bigots has always been that black don't work hard and are only advanced in their careers because of EOE. So I'd ask these bigots how in the world do they think that Condi Rice and Colin Powell also got into such a high station in American society? What about Justice Thomas?

Colin Powell has said as much. Given the overtly racist time period they came up in, it actually seems highly unlikely they would have been given opportunities without some purposeful recruitment.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:17:45pm

re: #132 Gus 802

Right on schedule...

Kern apologizes for comments on minorities and women; NAACP says it's not enough

I'm really tired of "misspoke," as used by politicians.

Fact you don't know about me: When I'm talking, I use the wrong word a lot. I'll point at the oven and say dishwasher. Not kidding, and I do it more as I get older. This is misspeaking. (My children aren't used to being called by the right name the first time.)

She didn't misspeak. She said something flat-out dumb. She was wrong. She exposed herself for being a racist. This was no mistake.

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:18:36pm

re: #139 EmmmieG

I'm really tired of "misspoke," as used by politicians.

Fact you don't know about me: When I'm talking, I use the wrong word a lot. I'll point at the oven and say dishwasher. Not kidding, and I do it more as I get older. This is misspeaking. (My children aren't used to being called by the right name the first time.)

She didn't misspeak. She said something flat-out dumb. She was wrong. She exposed herself for being a racist. This was no mistake.

Yeah. That was a rather long collection of words for her to have "misspoken". Of course it's total bologna.

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justaminute Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:19:05pm

Sally Kern's district is filled with white retired people. She never makes the press in Oklahoma City unless she says something outrageous. We have a weekly paper that loves to take her on. But over half of the paper is filled with entertainment so I don't know how many actually read the articles. Obviously not enough.

Now you know my pain.

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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:19:26pm

GOP translator:

"I misspoke" = "I blew on the dog whistle too hard"

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:19:29pm

Sally Kern's greatest hits!

Oklahoma State Rep. says Gays biggest threat to US

Youtube Video

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:20:42pm

Ellen DeGeneres Calls Sally Kern

Youtube Video

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windsagio Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:21:43pm

re: #143 Gus 802

What'd she do if she met a gay black?

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:21:59pm

And she's a teacher.

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:22:04pm

Whew.

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engineer cat Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:22:50pm

rumor mill:

We’ve been told that former Ark. Gov. Mike Huckabee, a rumored candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, is giving his former S.C. supporters the nod to seek work on other presidential campaigns. The word is that he’s told South Carolina staffers that they have his blessing for them to peddle their wares elsewhere

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Ericus58 Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:23:19pm

re: #144 Gus 802

Ellen DeGeneres Calls Sally Kern

[Video]

I Love Ellen. Flat Out.
I love her courage and compassion.

I hate Sally Kern.

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:24:10pm

Rep. Sally Kern Explains Divorce Bill

Youtube Video

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windsagio Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:24:15pm

re: #148 engineer dog

aww... It would have been more fun with him in! I guess we have to count on Palin/Paul/Trump for our jollies now.

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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:24:15pm

re: #148 engineer dog

rumor mill:

We’ve been told that former Ark. Gov. Mike Huckabee, a rumored candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, is giving his former S.C. supporters the nod to seek work on other presidential campaigns. The word is that he’s told South Carolina staffers that they have his blessing for them to peddle their wares elsewhere

Sounds like he isn't running. Not surprised, Michele Bachmann has already hired some of his people in Iowa.

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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:26:55pm

re: #150 Gus 802

Contents disabled. Could you provide brief summary? I assume she is against divorce unless it is between married gay couples...

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:28:03pm

re: #153 ralphieboy

Contents disabled. Could you provide brief summary? I assume she is against divorce unless it is between married gay couples...

Oh. Right. She's against divorce and thinks couples with children under 18 shouldn't be allowed to get a divorce...

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:29:12pm

re: #153 ralphieboy

Contents disabled. Could you provide brief summary? I assume she is against divorce unless it is between married gay couples...

Here's a PDF of her bill.

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windsagio Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:29:16pm

re: #150 Gus 802

No fault divorces are clearly the problem in our country!

Man, she's like a parody... its hard to accept that people like that get into our government.

re: #153 ralphieboy

"It's easier to get out of a car loan than a marriage, and which is more important?"

so no divorce if there are kids, no divorce if you've been married more than 10 years, no divorce if either partner says no. The kids one is almost the least of it.

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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:29:32pm

Fom my experience, if a couple can succeed in raising their kids to the age of 18 and still stay together, the odds are you will stay that way until you die...

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Bubblehead II Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:29:44pm

re: #154 Gus 802

Oh. Right. She's against divorce and thinks couples with children under 18 shouldn't be allowed to get a divorce...

Or have been married for longer than 10 years as well.

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:30:19pm

re: #158 Bubblehead II

Or have been married for longer than 10 years as well.

The bill would not allow for divorce on the basis of incompatibility if:

* There are living minor children of the marriage
* The parties have been married 10 years or longer
* Either party files a written objection to the granting of a divorce

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webevintage Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:30:27pm

re: #141 justaminute

Now you know my pain.

Living in the boonies outside of Little Rock Arkansas I also feel your pain....

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:30:45pm

re: #130 moderatelyradicalliberal

That place is on my list of places to see. I hear everyone who goes there cries, not just AAs. Some places are just brutally sad and if you are a normal human being you feel it.

I want to go someday. I think every American should who can. So much ended and began there, and so much of what our country became...intense.

Plus, I'm told if you go to market in the cities nearby you can hear African American music playing, having finished a really long round trip...

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Stanghazi Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:30:56pm

re: #158 Bubblehead II

Or have been married for longer than 10 years as well.

Unbelievable.

You must stick it out, who cares if you're miserable. Stick it out mofos.

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Kragar Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:31:15pm

re: #157 ralphieboy

Fom my experience, if a couple can succeed in raising their kids to the age of 18 and still stay together, the odds are you will stay that way until you die...

There are always exceptions, like my Uncle's first wives grandmother who shot her husband in the head with a shotgun while he slept after 50 years of marriage because she was tired of putting up with his shit.

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Summer Seale Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:31:15pm

I swear, you'd think that these people want to enter the era of "The Handmaid's Tale" for real and think it's just a peachy swell idea.

I'm just going to start comparing them to that from now on. I know it pisses them off to no end because they contest that book anytime they can, but that's just what they are: religious racist fascists.

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:31:53pm

re: #145 windsagio

What'd she do if she met a gay black?

I don't know, but if you guys will chip in for a plane ticket, I know the perfect guy to send to talk to her...

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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:32:16pm

re: #164 Summer

I swear, you'd think that these people want to enter the era of "The Handmaid's Tale" for real and think it's just a peachy swell idea.

I'm just going to start comparing them to that from now on. I know it pisses them off to no end because they contest that book anytime they can, but that's just what they are: religious racist fascists.

Maybe that's what Republican is now short for-- the Republic of Gilead.

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windsagio Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:32:22pm

re: #162 Stanley Sea

also if you're miserable and your spouse knows you want out but doesn't give a fuck, think of all the power/leverage they have over you.

"Sorry no, no divorce for you!"

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webevintage Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:33:35pm

re: #162 Stanley Sea

Unbelievable.

You must stick it out, who cares if you're miserable. Stick it out mofos.

So the folks who are willing to stick it out and really try to make their marriage work get punished?

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windsagio Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:34:01pm

re: #168 webevintage

wait, what?

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b_Snark Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:36:21pm

Affirmative action is considered racist by some self proclaimed meritocracy advocates because it gives non-CWM (Christian White Males) an unwarranted and artificial advantage. They reject the idea that there exists a systemic inequality of opportunity remaining in western social structures and they further reject the idea that we are to some degree a blank slate when we are born and become a composite of our experiences, sometimes prone to destructive and/or uncontrolled impulses.

There are a lot of buzz words used as comfort food by this group to help them ignore reality and misunderstand human psychology; responsibility, fault, lazy, welfare, bum, deterrent, scum, etc.

What I have seen in real life are people who are told they have no future, no chance to live the dream, no way of improving their situation so they might as well just abuse themselves and their families.

I have two brothers-in-law who are alcoholics, and a sister-in-law who died of a drug overdose while hooking in Vancouver. They weren't always like that.

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justaminute Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:36:33pm

Oklahoma Cities skyline is changing. A new monolithic building is going up. Of course it belongs to an oil company. It will be the tallest structure. North OKC has the oil companies. West OKC has the FAA. East OKC has Tinker AFB and South OKC leads to Norman and that leads to Football and takes you out of town to Dallas. So basically Oklahoma is supported by the Federal Government and oil. The rest of it is farmland. That's OKC and surrounding areas in a nutshell. Tulsa is the same.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:37:00pm

And remember folks the GOP is not racist...

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windsagio Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:37:39pm

re: #170 b_sharp

It's actually beyond that, they claim that there's a systemic inequality of opportunity against them.

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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:37:46pm

re: #172 LudwigVanQuixote

And remember folks the GOP is not racist...

I have been told that they have a very good relationship with "the blacks".

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Kragar Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:37:52pm

re: #172 LudwigVanQuixote

And remember folks the GOP is not racist...

Its membership on the other hand...

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Bubblehead II Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:38:08pm

Still trying to find out what she was doing here in Idaho in 1989 and what other connections she has with the FRC other than the champion of Faith, Family and freedom award (whatever the hell that is) they gave her in 2008.

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Kragar Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:38:23pm

re: #174 ralphieboy

I have been told that they have a very good relationship with "the blacks".

/

They would buy them by the boatload if they were allowed to.

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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:38:33pm

re: #173 windsagio

It's actually beyond that, they claim that there's a systemic inequality of opportunity against them.

Reverse racism! /

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Summer Seale Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:39:23pm

re: #174 ralphieboy

I have been told that they have a very good relationship with "the blacks".

/

They do such wonderful things in the kitchen with chicken....

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:39:43pm

Youtube Video

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windsagio Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:40:16pm

re: #178 iceweasel

Also apparently reverse sexism!

Man seriously, I'm not in a position to really understand, what does it feel like to see, well, one of your own (a woman in this case) championing the subjugation of her own class?

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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:41:19pm

Some blacks see racism in 'birther' questions

Many African-Americans responded to Wednesday's scene with a large sigh. The rumors and the controversy had a particular, troubling resonance for them: They've seen, heard, lived, the legitimacy of black people being called into question so many times before that, they said, they weren't shocked to see it happen to Obama over something as simple as a birth certificate.

But they were sad about it, too, seeing what they felt was a high-level manifestation of the idea that when a black person accomplishes something great there must be something wrong.

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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:41:22pm

re: #181 windsagio

Also apparently reverse sexism!

Man seriously, I'm not in a position to really understand, what does it feel like to see, well, one of your own (a woman in this case) championing the subjugation of her own class?

There are always members of any oppressed class that collude in their own oppression.

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b_Snark Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:41:31pm

re: #173 windsagio

It's actually beyond that, they claim that there's a systemic inequality of opportunity against them.

They're stuck on the misapprehension it's all about equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity.

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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:42:29pm

re: #184 b_sharp

They're stuck on the misapprehension it's all about equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity.

They're also in denial about the existence of equal opportunity. Born on third believing they hit a triple.

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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:43:12pm

re: #180 Gus 802

Related. ;)

Lawrence O'Donnell Kicks Birther Queen Orly Taitz Off His Show!

[Video]

Seems kind of stupid to invite her on the show and throw her off for doing her usual gimmick.

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Sionainn Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:43:15pm

re: #164 Summer

I swear, you'd think that these people want to enter the era of "The Handmaid's Tale" for real and think it's just a peachy swell idea.

I'm just going to start comparing them to that from now on. I know it pisses them off to no end because they contest that book anytime they can, but that's just what they are: religious racist fascists.

I just started reading that book. Figured I should since lately I'm hearing a lot of references to it.

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Stanghazi Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:43:22pm

re: #168 webevintage

So the folks who are willing to stick it out and really try to make their marriage work get punished?

Misunderstanding? I was being snarky about the if you're married over 10 you cannot divorce. I'm all for marriages working if both want it to!

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windsagio Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:44:23pm

Also seriously, this is why people get all regionalist. It's not really acceptable that someone like that can win an election. It's natural to want to think 'man we'd be better off without those Troglodytes!'

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EdDantes Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:44:33pm

I am a conservative republican denouncing the statement of Sally Kern. I hope my party's leadership follows suit.

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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:45:38pm

re: #190 EdDantes

I am a conservative republican denouncing the statement of Sally Kern. I hope my party's leadership follows suit.

Unfortunately, it seems more likely that your party will denounce you for disloyalty to the cause...

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:46:09pm

re: #191 ralphieboy

Unfortunately, it seems more likely that your party will denounce you for disloyalty to the cause...

Yep. See Reagan's 11th Commandment.

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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:46:55pm

re: #190 EdDantes

I am a conservative republican denouncing the statement of Sally Kern. I hope my party's leadership follows suit.

You can make a nice re-post when you get a couple quotes.

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zora Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:47:30pm

re: #182 Killgore Trout

Some blacks see racism in 'birther' questions

some=vast majority.

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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:47:58pm

re: #187 Sionainn

I just started reading that book. Figured I should since lately I'm hearing a lot of references to it.

You'll love it. I read it when it first came out and reread it again only recently. It holds up and it's even more frightening today.

Although my fave Atwood novel is probably the Robber Bride, or Oryx and crake.

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:49:58pm

Testing...

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EdDantes Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:50:12pm

re: #193 Decatur Deb

You can make a nice re-post when you get a couple quotes.

I sincerely hope I can. But I am not holding my breath.

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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:50:35pm

re: #196 Gus 802

Testing...

i hearted it.

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:50:52pm

re: #198 iceweasel

i hearted it.

Here's another one...

Image: 2.gif

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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:51:14pm

re: #192 Gus 802

Yep. See Reagan's 11th Commandment.

Remember when Micael Steele took on Rush Limbaugh or Karl Rove dared to criticize Christine O'Donnel. There is no hope: once they join the party, they know they have their back covered and grow more daring by the minute.

Expect it to reach a frothing frenzy by October 2012.

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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:51:43pm

re: #199 Gus 802

Here's another one...

Image: 2.gif

Even better. :)

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:52:07pm

re: #201 iceweasel

Even better. :)

Stewie...

Image: 7840_stewieguypuke.gif

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:52:24pm

re: #202 Gus 802

Stewie...

Image: 7840_stewieguypuke.gif

Oops. That didn't work.

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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:52:49pm

Fix it! I love Stewie.

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EdDantes Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:53:01pm

re: #191 ralphieboy

Unfortunately, it seems more likely that your party will denounce you for disloyalty to the cause...

In which case I am more loyal to the conservative cause than they are.

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:53:37pm

re: #204 iceweasel

Fix it! I love Stewie.

Image: th_Puke.gif

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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:53:42pm

re: #205 EdDantes

Conservativism and the GOP parted ways ages ago...

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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:54:38pm

re: #206 Gus 802

Image: th_Puke.gif

I really am hearting all of these and laughing my head off!

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:54:51pm

re: #208 iceweasel

I really am hearting all of these and laughing my head off!

Image: stewiep-.gif

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RadicalModerate Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:55:51pm

re: #207 ralphieboy

Conservativism and the GOP parted ways ages ago...

I disagree. The fundamentalist Christian social conservatives are in firm control of the party right now.

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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:55:52pm

Ok, I think it's beer oçlock now....

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:57:05pm

re: #211 iceweasel

Ok, I think it's beer oçlock now...

What's with the "c" in "o'clock"! I demand to see your passport and tax returns!

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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:57:40pm

re: #210 RadicalModerate

They have parted on the issue of personal responsibility.

They spew racist shit until they are called out on it, and then claim that they misspoke, were misconstrued, quoted out of context, or in extremis that the NAACP is a racist organization, too.

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Kragar Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:59:05pm

re: #211 iceweasel

Ok, I think it's beer oçlock now...

Its always beer o'clock.

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 12:59:43pm

re: #214 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its always beer o'clock.

UTC

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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:00:52pm

re: #212 Gus 802

What's with the "c" in "o'clock"! I demand to see your passport and tax returns!

/

My keyboard is UK or sumpin and I'm not used to it.

oçlock o''clock O'clock dammit.

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Kragar Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:00:54pm

re: #215 Gus 802

UTC

KST

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:01:35pm

re: #217 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

KST

Que es KST?

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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:02:23pm

re: #212 Gus 802

What's with the "c" in "o'clock"! I demand to see your passport and tax returns!

/

Ah memories...I used to be asked to produce my papers several times a day here.

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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:02:34pm

re: #216 iceweasel

My keyboard is UK or sumpin and I'm not used to it.

oçlock o''clock O'clock dammit.

Do you write a lot of letters to the editor of Hurriyet?

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reine.de.tout Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:03:45pm

re: #190 EdDantes

I am a conservative republican denouncing the statement of Sally Kern. I hope my party's leadership follows suit.

RINO!
(me too)

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:03:49pm

re: #219 iceweasel

Ah memories...I used to be asked to produce my papers several times a day here.

Wasn't that Van Helsing that busted Jimmah's balls that morning? That was a strange day. I think I stayed up until 6 AM. He was all over the place until he was finally banned.

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Kragar Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:03:59pm

re: #218 Gus 802

Que es KST?

Kragarian Standard Time

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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:05:05pm

re: #222 Gus 802

Wasn't that Van Helsing that busted Jimmah's balls that morning? That was a strange day. I think I stayed up until 6 AM. He was all over the place until he was finally banned.

I can't even remember. Too many members of the HeMan Ice Hatin'Club.

And of course, any one who fucked with my Jimmah, well, I didn't take kindly to.

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:05:53pm

re: #224 iceweasel

I can't even remember. Too many members of the HeMan Ice Hatin'Club.

And of course, any one who fucked with my Jimmah, well, I didn't take kindly to.

Yep. Good thing though that they were blocked and moved on.

// // // //

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lawhawk Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:06:50pm

re: #218 Gus 802

Kegger standing time?

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:08:56pm

‘Nothing proves that you were born in Hawaii more than a signature from ‘U. K. L. Lee”

Latest birther conspiracy.

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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:10:30pm

re: #225 Gus 802

Yep. Good thing though that they were blocked and moved on.

// // // //

HA!

Youtube Video

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EdDantes Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:10:47pm

re: #227 Gus 802

Thank you. I just hurled again. Prithee, no more!

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:11:58pm

re: #227 Gus 802

‘Nothing proves that you were born in Hawaii more than a signature from ‘U. K. L. Lee”

Latest birther conspiracy.

And what do you know. That was debunked by a Freeper...

Image: Birth_cert_coats_7c.jpg

Some crazy suspicion about the registrars name on Obama's BC. This guy provided his from around the same time he was born.

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Ericus58 Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:13:03pm

A senior at Louisiana was overheard saying ... "When the end of the world comes, I hope to be in Louisiana ."

When asked why, he replied, "I'd rather be in Louisiana because everything happens in Louisiana 20 years later than in the rest of the civilized world."

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:13:33pm

re: #230 Gus 802

And what do you know. That was debunked by a Freeper...

Image: Birth_cert_coats_7c.jpg

Some crazy suspicion about the registrars name on Obama's BC. This ~~guy~~ gal provided ~~his~~ her's from around the same time he she was born.

Oops.

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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:13:46pm

re: #231 Ericus58

A senior at Louisiana was overheard saying ... "When the end of the world comes, I hope to be in Louisiana ."

When asked why, he replied, "I'd rather be in Louisiana because everything happens in Louisiana 20 years later than in the rest of the civilized world."

OK, that's funny. (No insult to Louisiana intended!)

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Ericus58 Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:14:18pm

The owner of a golf course in Georgia was confused about paying an invoice, so he decided to ask his secretary for some mathematical help.

He called her into his office and said, "You graduated from theUniversity of Georgia and I need some help. If I were to give you $20,000, minus 14%, how much would you take off?"

The secretary thought a moment, and then replied, "Everything but my earrings."

bada-boom!

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:14:43pm

Dear Birthers,

Stop smoking so much pot.

Thanks,

Gus

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:15:47pm

Hey man. Like dude wow look at that signature man. That looks like it says "ukulele" man. That's got to be fake man.

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Ericus58 Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:15:57pm

And just to have some balance....

You can say what you want about the South,

But you never hear of anyone retiring and moving North.

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windsagio Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:15:58pm

re: #234 Ericus58

old Ozark story:

One time there was two farmers that lived out on the road to Carico. They was always good friends, and Bill's oldest boy had been a-sparking one of Sam's daughters. Everything was going fine till the morning they met down by the creek, and Sam was pretty goddam mad. "Bill," says he, "from now on I don't want that boy of yours to set foot on my place."
"Why, what's he done?" asked the boy's daddy.

"He pissed in the snow, that's what he done, right in front of my house!"

But surely, there ain't no great harm in that," Bill says.

"No harm!" hollered Sam. "Hell's fire, he pissed so it spelled Lucy's name, right there in the snow!"

"The boy shouldn't have done that," says Bill. "But I don't see nothing so terrible bad about it."

"Well, by God, I do!" yelled Sam. "There was two sets of tracks! And besides, don't you think I know my own daughter's handwriting?"

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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:16:06pm

re: #235 Gus 802

Dear Birthers,

Stop smoking so much pot.

Thanks,

Gus

//

They need to lay off the rageahol.

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:16:50pm

re: #239 iceweasel

They need to lay off the rageahol.

Step away from the can of 3-2.

But I've only had 32 beers.

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Gus Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:17:55pm

Speaking of rage. It's been what? 2 hours now below deck?

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S'latch Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:18:47pm

Making a racist argument for ending affirmative action (which would not be needed but for racism), is sadly ironic.

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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:20:59pm

re: #237 Ericus58

And just to have some balance...

You can say what you want about the South,

But you never hear of anyone retiring and moving North.

In a freakn' New York minute, but my southern-born wife is dug-in here with the kids.

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windsagio Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:21:00pm

OK, one more than gotta go help my friend move:

One time there was a town girl and a country girl got to talking about the boys they had went with. The town girl told what kind of car her boyfriends used to drive, and how much money their folks has got. But the country girl didn't take no interest in things like that, and she says the fellows are always trying to get into her pants.
So finally the town girl says, "Have you ever been diddled?" The country girl giggled, and she says yes, a little bit. "How much?" says the town girl. "Oh, about like that," says the country girl, and she held up her finger to show an inch, or maybe an inch and a half.

The town girl just laughed, and pretty soon the country girl says, "Have you ever been diddled?" The town girl says of course she has, lots of times. "How much?" says the country girl. "Oh, about like that," says the town girl, and she marked off about eight inches, or maybe nine.

The country girl just sat there goggle-eyed, and she drawed a deep breath. "My God," says the country girl, "that aint't diddling! Why, you've been fucked!"

(all from the great book, Pissing in the Snow and Other Ozark Folketales by Vance Randolph. Amazing, hilarious freakin' book)

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S'latch Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:22:40pm

To state that another way, if not for people like Sally Kern, we wouldn't even need affirmative action.

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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:23:19pm

re: #241 Gus 802

Speaking of rage. It's been what? 2 hours now below deck?

Hours. Indiscriminate lashing out and acting out. I'm done for the night.

See you later, Gus. Take care.

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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:29:37pm

re: #237 Ericus58

And just to have some balance...

You can say what you want about the South,

But you never hear of anyone retiring and moving North.

Their loss.

No snark. Go to Ashland, WI in autumn or winter. Yeah, it can be cold but it's one of the most beautiful bits of North America.

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researchok Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:42:13pm

re: #224 iceweasel

I can't even remember. Too many members of the HeMan Ice Hatin'Club.

And of course, any one who fucked with my Jimmah, well, I didn't take kindly to.

Where? Who? Lemme at em.

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researchok Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:42:55pm

I missed the action.

Again.

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celticdragon Thu, Apr 28, 2011 1:58:08pm

re: #16 Gus 802

2010 election results for Kern:

Sally Kern, Rep. 5,717 65.90% Won
Brittany M. Novotny, Dem. 2,958 34.10% Lost

She sure gets a lot of support.

Britney Novotny is a fantastic person and would have done a great job in the legislature...and she is also a post op trans woman. She didn't have a chance in Oklahoma.

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Ericus58 Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:04:11pm

re: #250 celticdragon

Britney Novotny is a fantastic person and would have done a great job in the legislature...and she is also a post op trans woman. She didn't have a chance in Oklahoma.

[Link: brittanynovotny.wordpress.com...]

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Simply Sarah Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:08:53pm

re: #250 celticdragon

Britney Novotny is a fantastic person and would have done a great job in the legislature...and she is also a post op trans woman. She didn't have a chance in Oklahoma.

Sadly, I think that would be fatal to a campaign in most places in the country (Unless most people didn't know because you were "dishonest" by not wearing a giant neon "I'm trans" button).

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Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:29:47pm

re: #235 Gus 802
Is it wrong to think maybe they should smoke more pot?

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Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:32:21pm

re: #247 wlewisiii

I was surprised how beautiful WI was in general. La cross, so charming. I would love to visit again.

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martinsmithy Thu, Apr 28, 2011 2:37:07pm

While most of Sally Kern's crap made me want to puke, I had to laugh at one aspect of it.

She mixes old-fashioned racism with the use of the term "people of color," which is definitely progressive-speak. LOL!

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