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1 albusteve  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:34:30pm

at least they pay tribute to their elders....that's important to me

2 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:39:15pm

KILLGORE, are you here?
My Drunk Kitchen has a new episode, "Not Easy, Bake Oven".


3 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:40:52pm
P.S. LGF registration is currently open for a limited time…

*Lays out troll traps*

4 Kragar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:42:26pm

re: #3 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

*Lays out troll traps*

Sets the bait;

GOP pivots on ‘birther’ questions, blames Obama for media attention

“We’re borrowing four and half billion dollars a day and this president is more worried about birth certificates, Oprah Winfrey and fundraisers at the Waldorf Astoria,” Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Preibus said on “CNN Newsroom,” referring to Obama’s decision to release his long-form birth certificate before flying to Chicago for an interview with Winfrey and later to New York for a fundraiser. “It’s maddening and I just wish the president would engage in the real issues that are affecting America.”

5 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:42:27pm

re: #2 reine.de.tout

My Drunk Kitchen? That's new to me. Heh. This great.

6 albusteve  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:42:28pm

re: #3 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

*Lays out troll traps*

I prefer they wander about disguised, develope a myth, then crash when you least expect it....just me tho, what's the harm?

7 albusteve  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:43:45pm

Dallas is gonna draft a monster player at #9....probably a DE

8 albusteve  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:45:56pm

re: #7 albusteve

Dallas is gonna draft a monster player at #9...probably a DE

whoops...Nick Fairey, Auburn
book it

9 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:46:00pm

re: #6 albusteve

I prefer they wander about disguised, develope a myth, then crash when you least expect it...just me tho, what's the harm?

Eh, every now and then, I like to see one crash & burn on the first try. Kind of a little Darwinism in action, with those simply too stupid to live flouncing right off the bat, the smarter ones holding it in awhile.

10 albusteve  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:46:42pm

re: #9 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Eh, every now and then, I like to see one crash & burn on the first try. Kind of a little Darwinism in action, with those simply too stupid to live flouncing right off the bat, the smarter ones holding it in awhile.

you're new...all noobs think that way

11 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:46:50pm

re: #2 reine.de.tout

KILLGORE, are you here?
My Drunk Kitchen has a new episode, "Not Easy, Bake Oven".

[Video]

Hooray! Just in time for my first glass of wine!

12 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:47:47pm

re: #5 Rightwingconspirator

My Drunk Kitchen? That's new to me. Heh. This great.

Watch some of her other episodes when you get a chance. They're usually pretty funny.

13 albusteve  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:47:54pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

Hooray! Just in time for my first glass of wine!

should Dallas take a tight end?

14 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:51:34pm

Portal 2 is a really great game! Having a blast with it.

15 Kragar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:51:37pm

re: #7 albusteve

Dallas is gonna draft a monster player at #9...probably a DE

I have exactly as much interest in the draft as it has for me...a nice unsymbiosis

16 William of Orange  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:51:55pm

Welcome to all new posters here!!!

Welcome to the usual sock puppets!!! (And goodbye again. ;) )

17 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:52:51pm

re: #10 albusteve

you're new...all noobs think that way

I haven't been a n00b here in ages. Hell, I'm one of a dying breed, the last of the dinosaurs. I remember a time when trolls ran wild, when much sport was made of running them out of here on a rail.

Ah, those were the days.

18 albusteve  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:52:58pm

re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I have exactly as much interest in the draft as it has for me...a nice unsymbiosis

well just poop

19 Kragar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:53:21pm

re: #14 Charles

Portal 2 is a really great game! Having a blast with it.

I've decided to give The Old Republic a chance when it comes out later this year.

20 albusteve  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:55:15pm

re: #17 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I haven't been a n00b here in ages. Hell, I'm one of a dying breed, the last of the dinosaurs. I remember a time when trolls ran wild, when much sport was made of running them out of here on a rail.

Ah, those were the days.

by bad, I was confused, or are you two people?

21 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:56:52pm

re: #20 albusteve

by bad, I was confused, or are you two people?

My name is Legion, for we are many.

/

22 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:58:13pm

re: #7 albusteve

Dallas is gonna draft a monster player at #9...probably a DE

A Dark Eldar monster eh? Aberrations have lots of attacks but terrible leadership.

23 Kragar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 5:58:50pm

re: #22 goddamnedfrank

A Dark Eldar monster eh? Aberrations have lots of attacks but terrible leadership.

Maybe a Talos Pain engine?

24 Kragar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:00:31pm

Dark Eldar on the field would almost make football worth watching.

Have them play versus Orks and I'm down.

25 albusteve  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:00:42pm

re: #22 goddamnedfrank

A Dark Eldar monster eh? Aberrations have lots of attacks but terrible leadership.

and here he is...
[Link: www.warseer.com...]

26 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:02:41pm

re: #24 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Orcs go down to easily.

They looked totally bad ass... but hell... I'm harder to kill than an Orc.

But, please don't try.

27 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:02:55pm

re: #13 albusteve

should Dallas take a tight end?

They could prance through Westminster Abbey in the Queen's panties for all I care.

28 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:04:06pm

re: #14 Charles

Portal 2 is a really great game! Having a blast with it.

The voice of Weatley is done by Steven Merchant (Ricky Gervais' sidekick). Very funny guy.

29 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:05:07pm

A very nice posting in the pages: Open Letter to the Jewish Members of LGF

30 Kragar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:05:40pm

re: #26 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Orcs go down to easily.

They looked totally bad ass... but hell... I'm harder to kill than an Orc.

But, please don't try.

I'm thinking Nobz, Meganobz or some Dreads on the field.

31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:06:09pm

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I don't know what that means, but has to be badder than an Orc.

32 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:07:05pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

The voice of Weatley is done by Steven Merchant (Ricky Gervais' sidekick). Very funny guy.

Aperture Science, forever breaking new ground, surpassed other companies by creating the first Artificial Stupidity.

33 Simply Sarah  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:08:22pm

I really need to get my eyes and/or brain checked. I thought the last o in the title was a different vowel for a moment and was wondering what the hell that was about. x_x

34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:08:24pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

They could prance through Westminster Abbey in the Queen's panties for all I care.

You mean like this?...

35 albusteve  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:09:01pm

re: #29 Killgore Trout

A very nice posting in the pages: Open Letter to the Jewish Members of LGF

thanks for that

36 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:10:12pm

re: #29 Killgore Trout

A very nice posting in the pages: Open Letter to the Jewish Members of LGF

Glad you pointed that out.

37 Kragar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:10:23pm

re: #31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't know what that means, but has to be badder than an Orc.

Mega-Nobz
Image: MegaNobz.jpg

Dread
Image: Ork%2BDeff%2BDread%2B-%2BFinished.JPG

38 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:10:31pm

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm thinking Nobz, Meganobz or some Dreads on the field.

A gang of Cybered up gretchin combined Mad Doc Grotsnik's Feel No Pain rule are hilarious. Best tar pit ever, they just don't die. Throw in some Grot tanks from IA8 with their invulnerable save and you've got the cutest little mech infantry division ever.

39 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:10:33pm

re: #29 Killgore Trout

A very nice posting in the pages: Open Letter to the Jewish Members of LGF

Thank you for the alert. I completely missed this earlier.

40 Kragar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:11:22pm

re: #32 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Aperture Science, forever breaking new ground, surpassed other companies by creating the first Artificial Stupidity.

41 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:12:27pm

re: #39 Stanley Sea
Yes it is.

42 Kragar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:13:35pm

re: #38 goddamnedfrank

A gang of Cybered up gretchin combined Mad Doc Grotsnik's Feel No Pain rule are hilarious. Best tar pit ever, they just don't die. Throw in some Grot tanks from IA8 with their invulnerable save and you've got the cutest little mech infantry division ever.

Got 30 'ard Boyz, with a Warp 'ead attached to them, upgraded so I can re-roll the psychic power.

'ERE WE GO! 'ERE WE GO! 'ERE WE GO!

43 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:22:38pm

To the Military Wonks on this blog: I was wondering if the Grad Rockets used by Libya are guided or not.

44 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:24:40pm

re: #29 Killgore Trout

Thanks. I never would have seen that.

Hat-tip to Killgore Trout.

45 Kragar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:25:14pm

re: #43 ProLifeLiberal

To the Military Wonks on this blog: I was wondering if the Grad Rockets used by Libya are guided or not.

No, they're a dumb rocket system

46 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:25:36pm

re: #43 ProLifeLiberal

To the Military Wonks on this blog: I was wondering if the Grad Rockets used by Libya are guided or not.

BM-21 - 122mm diameter unguided & barely stabilized rockets.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

47 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:27:29pm

re: #45 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No, they're a dumb rocket system

Yep, just a newer version of the WWII-era Katyusha rockets. More for saturating a target than precision strikes. Point in general direction of target, set the angle, and then cross your fingers as you hit the fire button.

49 Kragar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:29:18pm

re: #47 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yep, just a newer version of the WWII-era Katyusha rockets. More for saturating a target than precision strikes. Point in general direction of target, set the angle, and then cross your fingers as you hit the fire button.

It can provide a very heavy barrage in a relatively short amount of time.

50 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:29:49pm

Hey RWC, after talking about bottom feeders the other day in our last gun thread, I found myself at my favorite local gunshop yesterday. I missed a LNIB S&W Model 10 heavy barrel buy about 10 minutes. That turned out ok becuase the pusher, er, clerk put a .45 ACP Ruger P97DC in front of me instead. So much for my budget...

Layaway is both a blessing and a curse... LOL

51 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:33:21pm

re: #48 Charles

Looks Like Trump's Right: How the Hell Did This President Get Into Those Ivy League Schools?

Fuck yeah.

This whole thing disgusts me greatly. De legitimizing an actual legitimate huge success, based on race and hatred.

It's been a hard 2 days.

Charles, you did see that vid that went viral from @baratunde, I'm assuming.

52 Kragar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:36:55pm

Major benefit of the GRAD system for the Libyans.

You can load it, drive it into position, fire off an entire barrage in less than 20 seconds, pack up and be moving again in 2 minutes

53 Simply Sarah  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:43:55pm

re: #51 Stanley Sea

Fuck yeah.

This whole thing disgusts me greatly. De legitimizing an actual legitimate huge success, based on race and hatred.

It's been a hard 2 days.

Charles, you did see that vid that went viral from @baratunde, I'm assuming.

You know, I have to admit that I'm finding myself somewhat startled by all the racism directed towards Obama. I mean, I know and knew that there is still a lot of it left in the U.S., but I had didn't realize just how wide and deep it remained. I'm a bit amazed he was actually able to get elected with all the bigots out there.

54 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:45:14pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Watch some of her other episodes when you get a chance. They're usually pretty funny.

I've "subscribed" to her you tube channel, and get an e-mail whenever something new is uploaded. It looks like she posts something new on THURSDAYS.

55 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:45:20pm

re: #53 Simply Sarah

You know, I have to admit that I'm finding myself somewhat startled by all the racism directed towards Obama. I mean, I know and knew that there is still a lot of it left in the U.S., but I had didn't realize just how wide and deep it remained. I'm a bit amazed he was actually able to get elected with all the bigots out there.

We are the counters to that bigotry. But damn I agree. It really came to the surface, and actually it's growing.

I'm disgusted.

56 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:47:25pm

Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

57 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:47:33pm

So, what information that is relevant to determining if Obama is a natural-born US citizen is on the "long form" that wasn't on the "short form"?

Better question might be what's not there that the birthers were absolutely convinced would be, as a reason for him to "hide" it from them? I remember a couple nattering on about "Father's Religion," out of some perverse hope that it'd read "Muslim."

58 Lidane  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:47:38pm

John Cole is being awesome about this, as usual:

Finding Fault Where There Is None

Good Thing He Released the Long Form, Ehh Sully?

More Evidence That We Are Doomed

His smackdowns of Andrew Sullivan are fantastic. Really, Balloon Juice as a whole has been great on slapping down the birthers.

59 makeitstop  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:50:41pm

re: #1 albusteve

at least they pay tribute to their elders...that's important to me

Pretty amazing, eh? :-)

60 Simply Sarah  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:51:31pm

re: #55 Stanley Sea

We are the counters to that bigotry. But damn I agree. It really came to the surface, and actually it's growing.

I'm disgusted.

I'm wondering if it's growing or if people are just feeling more and more comfortable letting it show on the surface (The latter is obviously the case). And you toss that in with the hatred of Democrats and non-radicals in general and it's all the worse. I mean, even back in early 2009 I heard some people in a social setting I was trying out saying that the only reason they might not want someone to assassinate Obama is because that would make Biden president (Obviously, I rather quickly got out of there). And this was before things had really started to boil.

61 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:52:03pm

re: #45 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Terror Bombings. To my (admittedly different) mind, I see a rockets with a low likelihood to hit me and my positions. Perhaps little groups of rebels could go out and destroy the launchers with RPGs? Gaddafi's troops are strained, meaning there may not be a huge amount of protection, and Gaddafi's men's morale is low.

62 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:52:21pm

re: #57 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So, what information that is relevant to determining if Obama is a natural-born US citizen is on the "long form" that wasn't on the "short form"?

Better question might be what's not there that the birthers were absolutely convinced would be, as a reason for him to "hide" it from them? I remember a couple nattering on about "Father's Religion," out of some perverse hope that it'd read "Muslim."

The only thing different from the short to long form was the name of the hospital, the Doctor who delivered him (The deceased Dr.'s wife - THRILLED HE DELIVERED THE FUTURE PRESIDENT)

Read that link!

63 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:52:34pm

Somebody posted the changes in their healthcare coverage on Reddit.
Image: ARJt0.png
What has Obama ever done for us?

64 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:53:37pm

re: #53 Simply Sarah

You know, I have to admit that I'm finding myself somewhat startled by all the racism directed towards Obama. I mean, I know and knew that there is still a lot of it left in the U.S., but I had didn't realize just how wide and deep it remained. I'm a bit amazed he was actually able to get elected with all the bigots out there.

Hey, hey! It's not hate, it's heritage, dontcha know.

65 Lidane  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:55:17pm

re: #64 austin_blue

Hey, hey! It's not hate, it's heritage, dontcha know.

Heh.

STATES' RIGHTS! FREEDOM!

///

66 Kragar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:55:21pm

re: #61 ProLifeLiberal

Terror Bombings. To my (admittedly different) mind, I see a rockets with a low likelihood to hit me and my positions. Perhaps little groups of rebels could go out and destroy the launchers with RPGs? Gaddafi's troops are strained, meaning there may not be a huge amount of protection, and Gaddafi's men's morale is low.

Not likely. The missiles have a range of about 12 miles. Unless the rebels already have launch sites staked out, they really wont be able to respond with anything they have.

67 Kragar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:55:59pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

Somebody posted the changes in their healthcare coverage on Reddit.
Image: ARJt0.png
What has Obama ever done for us?

The Aqueduct?

Sorry, force of habit.

68 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:57:02pm

re: #62 Stanley Sea

The only thing different from the short to long form was the name of the hospital, the Doctor who delivered him (The deceased Dr.'s wife - THRILLED HE DELIVERED THE FUTURE PRESIDENT)

Read that link!

Exactly, the only items were the hospital and the doctor, whose wife no doubt has had more than a few calls since the news broke from some rather..."irate" birthers by this point.

So we just spent 2 years hearing about a mythical document that apparently doesn't exist. No wonder the birthers don't want to accept this as the genuine article, they still think the "real" one is out there with all the juicy "secrets" that they've been hopin' and prayin' for all this time.

69 Lidane  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:57:07pm

re: #53 Simply Sarah

You know, I have to admit that I'm finding myself somewhat startled by all the racism directed towards Obama. I mean, I know and knew that there is still a lot of it left in the U.S., but I had didn't realize just how wide and deep it remained. I'm a bit amazed he was actually able to get elected with all the bigots out there.

Just wait until November 2012, especially if he wins a second term.

Sadly, we haven't seen anything yet.

70 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:58:53pm

In 2 hours the death toll from the Tornado outbreak yesterday went from 282 to 295. It is the Top Story on Al-Jazeera English too.

The death toll from this will most likely pass that of the Super Outbreak in 1974, which killed 315-330 people. And that's not counting the additional dead from the Arkansas event earlier, which puts the total death toll at 299.

That's not even counting combined damage. St. Louis suffered an EF3-EF4 through the northern edge of the city (around the airport), Tuscaloosa got crushed, and Birmingham took a nasty lick. This may be the costliest tornado event of all time.

71 Simply Sarah  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:59:32pm

re: #69 Lidane

Just wait until November 2012, especially if he wins a second term.

Sadly, we haven't seen anything yet.

Oh, I expect next summer and fall to be brutal and depressing, regardless of the election results.

72 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 6:59:43pm

re: #69 Lidane

Just wait until November 2012, especially if he wins a second term.

Sadly, we haven't seen anything yet.

That's when they'll truly let their hair down. So many of them have been trying to declare '08 a fluke, blaming it on McCain and saying he wasn't "conservative enough." If they get their wish and get a "true believer" on the top of the ticket, only for him to get his ass handed to him on Election Day, then you'll truly see the dark underbelly of the Right. We may find ourselves wishing for the days when the worst we got was a bunch of salty language from internet tough guys.

73 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:00:27pm

re: #69 Lidane

Just wait until November 2012, especially if he wins a second term.

Sadly, we haven't seen anything yet.

Well, that's a terrifying comment. The only thing more the wingnuts can do is go postal.

I surely hope you're wrong, but you may be right.

74 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:01:18pm

re: #66 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I wasn't even thinking of artillery. I was thinking of attacking the sites outright with manpower. Gaddafi's troops are strung out, with 3,000 on the eastern front, and many more being used to just hold down the cities still in his control.

75 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:01:25pm

We have some real winners trying to register tonight.

76 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:02:02pm

re: #75 Charles

We have some real winners trying to register tonight.

Let me guess, they're not even trying to hide it?

77 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:02:34pm

re: #75 Charles

How bad are we talking?

78 Simply Sarah  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:03:02pm

re: #75 Charles

We have some real winners trying to register tonight.

The whole birth certificate thing seems to be doing a good job of making them flood out of the woodwork,

79 jaunte  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:03:51pm

re: #77 ProLifeLiberal

They're just simple farmers... people of the land... the common clay of the new West. You know...

80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:04:50pm

re: #79 jaunte

They're just simple farmers... people of the land... the common clay of the new West. You know...

Morons.

81 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:05:14pm

re: #75 Charles

We have some real winners trying to register tonight.

Don't we always? Why not let a couple through for entertainment value so we can mock them vociferously before Stinky whacks them upside their li'l puddin' heads?

Gamey buttocks. The bacon of the blogosphere.

82 Lidane  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:06:16pm

re: #73 austin_blue

Well, that's a terrifying comment. The only thing more the wingnuts can do is go postal.

I surely hope you're wrong, but you may be right.

More than anything, I want to be wrong about that. I really, really do.

Thing is, given how freaked out these people have gotten over the last three years, I'm not so sure I'm off base. I mean, the guy went to Easter services. Had a prayer breakfast for Easter. They STILL ripped him apart for not "proclaiming" Easter, even though no POTUS ever has. They've threatened a church he attended once for things the pastor said away from the pulpit.

On top of that, after being humiliated by the real "long form" birth certificate, they're now switching to calling him an affirmative action baby and questioning his education, along with calling the real long form a fake too, and blaming him for letting them work themselves into a santorum about the whole thing.

I can't even imagine the depths of fail they will hit should he win a second term. At this rate, they'll be calling him an [n-word] openly on Fox News.

83 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:06:51pm

re: #79 jaunte

I was wondering about names, but your description is awesome.

About the Tornado Death Toll: Someone on Wikipedia can't count. Five people died in Arkansas before the major events yesterday. So the total death toll from this outbreak is a flat 300.

84 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:06:56pm

re: #73 austin_blue

Well, that's a terrifying comment. The only thing more the wingnuts can do is go postal.

I surely hope you're wrong, but you may be right.

They have been hinting at bringing out the guns on Redstate for months. They actually think they can bring about an armed resistance, and that it will be deserved.

85 Kragar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:07:09pm

re: #74 ProLifeLiberal

I wasn't even thinking of artillery. I was thinking of attacking the sites outright with manpower. Gaddafi's troops are strung out, with 3,000 on the eastern front, and many more being used to just hold down the cities still in his control.

When dealing with forces spread out over a front like that, artillery is necessary. Any major push will require a consolidation of forces. Artillery can break up defenders or be used break up rebel forces attempting to exploit a weakness on the line. We're not dealing with trained, disciplined troops on the rebel's side. The threat of artillery can serve as a deterrence even if its not present.

86 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:09:02pm

re: #68 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Exactly, the only items were the hospital and the doctor, whose wife no doubt has had more than a few calls since the news broke from some rather..."irate" birthers by this point.

So we just spent 2 years hearing about a mythical document that apparently doesn't exist. No wonder the birthers don't want to accept this as the genuine article, they still think the "real" one is out there with all the juicy "secrets" that they've been hopin' and prayin' for all this time.

I just listened to her and her son's phone conversation on TMZ. They are Obama supporters and just thrilled to fucking death of this notification.

87 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:09:53pm

re: #85 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Forgot about that. Then I guess we just wait for ammo on Qaddafi's side to run dry.

But the line in Qaddafi's men have between Brega and Adjabiya can be handled. Their dug in there, meaning it's hard to move. I say, bomb them with bunker busters and the like. Just splatter that force.

88 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:10:02pm

re: #84 prairiefire

They have been hinting at bringing out the guns on Redstate for months. They actually think they can bring about an armed resistance, and that it will be deserved.

I will clarify that is seems to be 1 poster out of 5.

89 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:10:24pm

re: #84 prairiefire

An American version of The Troubles?

90 Lidane  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:10:38pm

re: #68 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

No wonder the birthers don't want to accept this as the genuine article, they still think the "real" one is out there with all the juicy "secrets" that they've been hopin' and prayin' for all this time.

This is what they want to see:

Image: ObamaBirthCertificate.gif

91 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:10:44pm

re: #82 Lidane

More than anything, I want to be wrong about that. I really, really do.

Thing is, given how freaked out these people have gotten over the last three years, I'm not so sure I'm off base. I mean, the guy went to Easter services. Had a prayer breakfast for Easter. They STILL ripped him apart for not "proclaiming" Easter, even though no POTUS ever has. They've threatened a church he attended once for things the pastor said away from the pulpit.

On top of that, after being humiliated by the real "long form" birth certificate, they're now switching to calling him an affirmative action baby and questioning his education, along with calling the real long form a fake too, and blaming him for letting them work themselves into a santorum about the whole thing.

I can't even imagine the depths of fail they will hit should he win a second term. At this rate, they'll be calling him an [n-word] openly on Fox News.

[sigh]

I agree with everything you post. It absolutely sucks.

How did we get here?

Never mind, rhetorical question.

92 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:10:50pm

re: #89 ProLifeLiberal

An American version of The Troubles?

I don't think they have the balls.

93 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:10:55pm

re: #70 ProLifeLiberal

In 2 hours the death toll from the Tornado outbreak yesterday went from 282 to 295. It is the Top Story on Al-Jazeera English too.

The death toll from this will most likely pass that of the Super Outbreak in 1974, which killed 315-330 people. And that's not counting the additional dead from the Arkansas event earlier, which puts the total death toll at 299.

That's not even counting combined damage. St. Louis suffered an EF3-EF4 through the northern edge of the city (around the airport), Tuscaloosa got crushed, and Birmingham took a nasty lick. This may be the costliest tornado event of all time.

I heard on the evil NPR today on my way home, in Tuscaloosa the police fleet (all the cars) and the garbage fleet was destroyed. OMG, they are like decimated.

94 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:11:09pm

re: #86 Stanley Sea

I just listened to her and her son's phone conversation on TMZ. They are Obama supporters and just thrilled to fucking death of this notification.

Yeah, I'd read that last night. One of those brushes with history that nobody thinks about until years or even decades after the fact.

95 Simply Sarah  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:12:10pm

re: #88 prairiefire

I will clarify that is seems to be 1 poster out of 5.

Well, I tend to try and avoid reading too much into a website, if only because they tend to distill and focus extreme views which are probably less widespread than might be made to appear. Which isn't to say I don't have worries. I just know that if it actually came to that, it would be a disaster.

96 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:12:24pm

re: #93 Stanley Sea

I heard on the evil NPR today on my way home, in Tuscaloosa the police fleet (all the cars) and the garbage fleet was destroyed. OMG, they are like decimated.

The (black) mayor of Birmingham was on NPR. He said the folks need clothes and water.

97 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:12:47pm

re: #93 Stanley Sea

That's gonna require fixing. I assume U of A has suffered horrifying damage based on that.

Federal Intervention here is a must.

98 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:12:49pm

re: #80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Morons.

Morans!

99 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:14:04pm
100 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:14:29pm

re: #50 wlewisiii

Layaway is both a blessing and a curse... LOL

Heh. Yup.

Enjoy.

101 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:15:09pm

re: #97 ProLifeLiberal

That's gonna require fixing. I assume U of A has suffered horrifying damage based on that.

Federal Intervention here is a must.

Actually the U of A escaped. It was over a mile to the south.

102 Simply Sarah  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:15:37pm

I just hope the storms let up now. There's enough damage already and people need a chance to take stock of it all and recover. I'm still having trouble totally fathoming the scope of the destruction and loss of life in such a short time in this country.

103 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:15:42pm

re: #101 austin_blue

They are one the luckiest places on Earth right now then.

104 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:16:40pm

re: #99 Conservative Moonbat

What kind of thought process leads to doing that exactly? Was there any thought involved to begin with.

105 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:16:52pm

William A. Bell mayor of Birmingham, African American:[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Mayor of Tuscaloosa, Alabama, white. OMG, frickin American diversity!

106 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:16:55pm

re: #97 ProLifeLiberal

That's gonna require fixing. I assume U of A has suffered horrifying damage based on that.

Federal Intervention here is a must.

Obama is checking it out first hand tomorrow.

107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:16:57pm

Who has two thumbs and does not give a shit about the Royal Wedding?

FBV, nice to meet you.

108 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:17:05pm

re: #98 Stanley Sea

Morans!

I'm glad you fixed that.

109 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:17:27pm

re: #94 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, I'd read that last night. One of those brushes with history that nobody thinks about until years or even decades after the fact.

Birth Certificate win.

The only part of the whole fiasco.

I saw photos of POTUS and FLOTUS walking to the helicopter for their fundraising trip. (his arm around her) I could just imagine her sadness that they are still going through what they have always gone through. And he's the President.

It was sad to me.

110 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:17:56pm

re: #107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Who has two thumbs and does not give a shit about the Royal Wedding?

FBV, nice to meet you.

I have two thumbs and I care!!!!! Thank goodness for the DVR and BBC America.

111 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:18:47pm

re: #97 ProLifeLiberal

That's gonna require fixing. I assume U of A has suffered horrifying damage based on that.

Federal Intervention here is a must.

President there tomorrow. Auburn canceled finals (yay the students are saying, between their shock) and graduation postponed till August.

112 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:18:54pm

re: #101 austin_blue

Actually the U of A escaped. It was over a mile to the south.

Clarifying:

The tornado was south of the U of A.

113 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:19:45pm

re: #107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Who has two thumbs and does not give a shit about the Royal Wedding?

FBV, nice to meet you.

As a borderline Anglophile who does give a tiny shit about the Royal Wedding, that cracked me up! Upding for you, my good sir.

:-D

114 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:19:59pm

re: #110 prairiefire

Tsk... chicks...

115 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:22:28pm

Condie Rice is on 30 Rock tonight!

116 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:23:11pm

re: #114 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Tsk... chicks...

Please don your fancy hat at 5:00AM. That is all.

117 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:23:37pm

re: #107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You'll like this, then:

[Link: www.somethingawful.com...]

What is royalty?

When a boss has a baby and makes his baby the boss and that baby has a baby and makes it the boss and they just keep on doing that and marrying each other until they're all turd-ugly and dumb as pigeons.

118 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:26:40pm

re: #107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Who has two thumbs and does not give a shit about the Royal Wedding?

FBV, nice to meet you.

I care enough about it to know it's happening...and I care about that because every frakin' media outlet says I should.

Beyond that, I am ever so thankful that Washington decided not become George the First, nor to treat the presidency as a form of hereditary office.

119 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:26:51pm

re: #110 prairiefire

I have two thumbs and I care!!! Thank goodness for the DVR and BBC America.

My Mom, so proud to tell me she's setting her alarm tomorrow a.m.

120 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:28:20pm

re: #116 prairiefire

Please don your fancy hat at 5:00AM. That is all.

My hat's ready to go . . . .

121 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:28:43pm

re: #119 Stanley Sea

My Mom, so proud to tell me she's setting her alarm tomorrow a.m.

I'm just gonna stay up all night.
(not really; wish I could tho)

122 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:28:44pm

re: #116 prairiefire

Please don your fancy hat at 5:00AM. That is all.

Actually, it's a special kind of ... puppet ... if you will...

123 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:29:43pm

re: #120 reine.de.tout

As I said... tsk... chicks...

124 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:30:35pm

I baked Key Challah!

125 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:31:35pm

re: #124 Alouette

I baked Key Challah!

I can never find my Keys!!

126 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:32:38pm

re: #122 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Actually, it's a special kind of ... puppet ... if you will...

Ha!

127 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:32:42pm

re: #121 reine.de.tout

I'm just gonna stay up all night.
(not really; wish I could tho)

feh,,, I've been busting my tail at work since 8 this morning (and yes, I'm still here,, 10:30 at night) setting things up for the networks for the weding!

128 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:32:49pm

re: #84 prairiefire

They have been hinting at bringing out the guns on Redstate for months. They actually think they can bring about an armed resistance, and that it will be deserved.

of course they are :(

129 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:33:28pm

re: #127 sattv4u2

feh,,, I've been busting my tail at work since 8 this morning (and yes, I'm still here,, 10:30 at night) setting things up for the networks for the weding!

Woot! See, it is a big deal.

130 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:34:24pm

re: #121 reine.de.tout

I'm just gonna stay up all night.
(not really; wish I could tho)

I take it your invitation got lost in the mail as well.

131 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:34:46pm

re: #128 WindUpBird

Did you see CL's page? [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

132 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:35:12pm

re: #130 researchok

I take it your invitation got lost in the mail as well.

It appears so.

133 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:35:18pm

re: #129 prairiefire

Woot! See, it is a big deal.

Not for me

Heading home in an hour or so and right to bed. Don't know why, however
Have to be back here by 7 in the morning

SO,,, by the time I drive home, and the time it takes me to shower and drive back in in the morning,, I'll get all of ,, ummm,, errr,, carry the 4 ,, about 5 hours sleep!

134 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:36:32pm

re: #132 reine.de.tout

It appears so.

Well, I;ll watch on TV of course, but I won't wear the aubergine outfit.

I don;t want to take attention away from the bride.

135 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:36:41pm

re: #127 sattv4u2

feh,,, I've been busting my tail at work since 8 this morning (and yes, I'm still here,, 10:30 at night) setting things up for the networks for the weding!

Hopefully, you're not on salary?

136 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:37:06pm

re: #122 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Actually, it's a special kind of ... puppet ... if you will...

Is that a puppet head in your pocket or are you just happy to see me??

137 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:37:33pm

re: #134 researchok

Well, I;ll watch on TV of course, but I won't wear the aubergine outfit.

I don;t want to take attention away from the bride.

How about your Sufi outfit?

138 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:37:34pm

re: #134 researchok

Nor do I want to clash with Elton John's get up.

139 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:37:57pm

re: #133 sattv4u2

Not for me

Heading home in an hour or so and right to bed. Don't know why, however
Have to be back here by 7 in the morning

SO,,, by the time I drive home, and the time it takes me to shower and drive back in in the morning,, I'll get all of ,, ummm,, errr,, carry the 4 ,, about 5 hours sleep!

Hey, give us the times. East Coast and West Coast por favor?

140 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:38:37pm

re: #139 Stanley Sea

Hey, give us the times. East Coast and West Coast por favor?

Si!

141 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:38:42pm

re: #137 SanFranciscoZionist

How about your Sufi outfit?

The whirling dervish costume? I would have but I lost my Fez isn't formal enough

142 Interesting Times  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:38:53pm

re: #123 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

As I said... tsk... chicks...

Not this one :P

...though I might be tempted to watch if the Royal Couple pulled something like this:

143 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:39:18pm

re: #141 researchok

PIMF

144 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:40:14pm

re: #137 SanFranciscoZionist

How about your Sufi outfit?

You know, I could go with my Larry the Cable Guy get up...

145 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:40:20pm

re: #142 publicityStunted

146 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:40:22pm

I was able to talk to my son this afternoon. He said the twister touched down 2 blocks away, there is massive destruction throughout the neighborhood but his house and car are not damaged. Power is out and so is web access but you can follow him on Twitter @rocketrabbi.

147 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:40:41pm

re: #134 researchok

Well, I;ll watch on TV of course, but I won't wear the aubergine outfit.

I don;t want to take attention away from the bride.

Aubergine? I didn't know you knew about aubergine. I bet you can tell the difference between pink, fuschia and red, as well! I'm impressed.

148 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:40:44pm

re: #142 publicityStunted

Not this one :P

...though I might be tempted to watch if the Royal Couple pulled something like this:

[Video]

I'm praying her dress is SEXY! lol, at least modern.

149 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:40:47pm

re: #139 Stanley Sea

Hey, give us the times. East Coast and West Coast por favor?

East (Atlanta)

Arrived at work at about 8 am
It's a tad after 10:30 pm now ,,, I have about another 1 1/4 hours to go
An hour (+) drive home ,,so that will be about 1 am

Have to be back here at 7 am (up by 5:30 to shower and drive in)

Oh ,,, joy!!

An hour + drive home

150 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:41:13pm

re: #140 prairiefire

Si!

149
{sigh}

151 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:41:39pm

re: #144 researchok

You know, I could go with my Larry the Cable Guy get up...

geterdone!

152 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:41:56pm

re: #147 reine.de.tout

Aubergine? I didn't know you knew about aubergine. I bet you can tell the difference between pink, fuschia and red, as well! I'm impressed.

Naw... I was faking it.

Though I am partial to eggplant

153 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:42:24pm

re: #151 sattv4u2

geterdone!

That's what William said.

154 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:42:30pm

re: #152 researchok

Naw... I was faking it.

Though I am partial to eggplant

I make a great parmagian!

155 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:42:37pm

re: #152 researchok

Naw... I was faking it.

Though I am partial to eggplant

Me too.
Esp. fried with lump crabmeat and mornay sauce on top.
YUMMY!

156 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:43:03pm

re: #154 sattv4u2

I make a great parmagian!

Now your talkin' my language!

157 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:43:24pm

re: #150 sattv4u2

149
{sigh}

For the wedding!!!!!!!!!!!!!

158 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:44:09pm

re: #155 reine.de.tout

Me too.
Esp. fried with lump crabmeat and mornay sauce on top.
YUMMY!

I put on weight just thinking about that

159 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:44:38pm

re: #146 Alouette

I was able to talk to my son this afternoon. He said the twister touched down 2 blocks away, there is massive destruction throughout the neighborhood but his house and car are not damaged. Power is out and so is web access but you can follow him on Twitter @rocketrabbi.

Hm.
He doesn't have many followers. If he wonders about this weirdo tootie - c'est moi.

160 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:44:58pm

re: #157 prairiefire

For the wedding!!!

OH ,,,, I dunno

We start ramping things up at about 2 am

Actaully, We're already doing multiple open camera shots from London to CNN, FOX and the CBC in Canada

161 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:45:37pm

The Daily Beast will be live streaming the wedding.

162 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:46:32pm

re: #161 researchok

Fewer cameras now of course since reine won't be there.

163 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:46:54pm

re: #160 sattv4u2

I dunno?!!!

164 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:47:08pm

re: #142 publicityStunted

Not this one :P

...though I might be tempted to watch if the Royal Couple pulled something like this:

[Video]

Oh my dog. That was the most joyous wedding I've ever seen.

165 Lidane  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:47:31pm
166 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:48:17pm

re: #165 Lidane

Creeping Sharia! ZOMG!

Frank Gaffney Accuses General David Petraeus Of ‘Submission’ To Sharia Law

What a crock of shit. Frank Gaffney needs to get his head examined.

167 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:48:39pm

re: #163 prairiefire

I dunno?!!!

I didn't know there was going to be math!

168 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:48:41pm

re: #166 Gus 802

What a crock of shit. Frank Gaffney needs to get his head examined.

Or exchanged for an updated model

169 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:48:54pm

re: #149 sattv4u2

East (Atlanta)

Arrived at work at about 8 am
It's a tad after 10:30 pm now ,,, I have about another 1 1/4 hours to go
An hour (+) drive home ,,so that will be about 1 am

Have to be back here at 7 am (up by 5:30 to shower and drive in)

Oh ,,, joy!!

An hour + drive home

NO, THE TIMES WE SHOULD TURN ON THE TV.

Holy crap!

170 Lidane  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:49:16pm
171 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:49:32pm

re: #158 researchok

I put on weight just thinking about that

Actually - it's a dill hollandaise sauce, I just looked it up. Can't find a recipe, but it's Eggplant Camellia and a staple at many restaurants here. Fried eggplant medallions, lump crabmeat and the sauce. To die for.

172 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:49:37pm

re: #169 Stanley Sea

NO, THE TIMES WE SHOULD TURN ON THE TV.

Holy crap!

oh ,, ummm,,, NOW!!

(that way, you won't be late!)

Who the heel do I look like,, TV Guide !?!?!

173 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:50:06pm

re: #165 Lidane

Creeping Sharia! ZOMG!

Frank Gaffney Accuses General David Petraeus Of ‘Submission’ To Sharia Law

"Submission"...that would be a great name for a Muslim rock band.

/

174 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:50:13pm

re: #171 reine.de.tout

Actually - it's a dill hollandaise sauce, I just looked it up. Can't find a recipe, but it's Eggplant Camellia and a staple at many restaurants here. Fried eggplant medallions, lump crabmeat and the sauce. To die for.

Three pounds.

I just put on three pounds.

175 reine.de.tout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:50:34pm

re: #162 researchok

Fewer cameras now of course since reine won't be there.

*sob*

176 Kragar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:51:07pm

re: #165 Lidane

Creeping Sharia! ZOMG!

Frank Gaffney Accuses General David Petraeus Of ‘Submission’ To Sharia Law

Thats perfectly understandable once you factor in that Gaffney is full of shit.

177 jaunte  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:51:10pm

re: #166 Gus 802

Some bearded dude named Gaffney makes pathetic bid for attention.

178 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:51:31pm

re: #170 Lidane

Also, more GOP minority outreach:

Trump To Black Journalist: ‘I Know You’re A Big Obama Fan’

Oh I saw this one. Trump is a fucking piece of work that the right wing, due to no one else, loves him.

Fucking asshole tarnish on our democratic process.

179 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:51:47pm

re: #175 reine.de.tout

*sob*

I don't know why they just didn't postpone the event until your invitation came.

180 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:52:25pm

re: #178 Stanley Sea

Oh I saw this one. Trump is a fucking piece of work that the right wing, due to no one else, loves him.

Fucking asshole tarnish on our democratic process.

I'm a big fan of your subtlety and nuance.

181 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:52:34pm

And on that note,, another hour of work then the long quiet drive home beckons!

182 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:53:13pm

The Queen mum is just like my Grandma Beulah, I am not kidding.

183 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:53:20pm

Thought LGF registration was open; where are the hatchlings?

184 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:53:33pm

re: #181 sattv4u2

And on that note,, another hour of work then the long quiet drive home beckons!

Be careful, tomorrow is a big day!!!

185 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:53:41pm

re: #180 researchok

Please add ///

186 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:54:06pm

re: #182 prairiefire

The Queen mum is just like my Grandma Beulah, I am not kidding.

Is or was?

187 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:54:13pm

re: #178 Stanley Sea

Oh I saw this one. Trump is a fucking piece of work that the right wing, due to no one else, loves him.

Fucking asshole tarnish on our democratic process.

Come now, haven't you heard from The Donald? He's got a great relationship with "the blacks."

//

188 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:54:22pm

re: #172 sattv4u2

oh ,, ummm,,, NOW!!

(that way, you won't be late!)

Who the heel do I look like,, TV Guide !?!?!

Uh yeah. What time for California?? Pretty please?

189 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:54:36pm

re: #184 prairiefire

Be careful, tomorrow is a big day!!!

Yup

PAYDAY

AND ,,, I get to pay the mortgage
AND,, I only have to work 11 hours !!!

190 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:54:57pm

re: #175 reine.de.tout

*sob*

It's ok, I don't think the Palace recorded my hostel address from South Westminster, 1982, either.

191 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:54:59pm

re: #177 jaunte

Some bearded dude named Gaffney makes pathetic bid for attention.

"Gus_802 Accuses Frank Gaffney Of ‘Submission’ To The Crazy Voices in his head."

//

192 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:55:07pm

re: #188 Stanley Sea

Uh yeah. What time for California?? Pretty please?

1906!

193 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:55:18pm

re: #180 researchok

I'm a big fan of your subtlety and nuance.

Obviously I'm not a candidate for office, or any type of negotiation.

194 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:55:28pm

re: #190 prairiefire

It's ok, I don't think the Palace recorded my hostel address from South Westminster, 1982, either.

What an oversight!

195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:55:35pm

The Condie scene on 30 Rock. Short and hysterical.

196 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:55:42pm

re: #189 sattv4u2

Yup

PAYDAY

AND ,,, I get to pay the mortgage
AND,, I only have to work 11 hours !!!

Cry me a river.

197 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:55:52pm

You suck

198 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:56:19pm

re: #193 Stanley Sea

Obviously I'm not a candidate for office, or any type of negotiation.

Actually, I LOL'd when I read your comment.

It was refreshing

199 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:56:40pm

re: #196 prairiefire

/

200 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:57:27pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout

You suck

[Video]

I will show that to my son, thanks.

201 freetoken  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:57:27pm

re: #191 Gus 802

BTW, your new avatar is strikingly similar to one I've been thinking of doing for myself. Now I may have to reconsider...

202 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:57:54pm

re: #201 freetoken

BTW, your new avatar is strikingly similar to one I've been thinking of doing for myself. Now I may have to reconsider...

This one?

203 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:58:02pm

re: #200 prairiefire

I will show that to my son, thanks.

He sucks too
/

204 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:59:01pm

re: #201 freetoken

It looks like the last thing that you see just before Luke Skywalker slashes your head in half.

205 freetoken  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:59:20pm

re: #202 Gus 802

Yeah, the yellow on black.

206 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 7:59:30pm

re: #201 freetoken

BTW, your new avatar is strikingly similar to one I've been thinking of doing for myself. Now I may have to reconsider...

Some psychopath lifted the P-51 avatar. What a freak. I actually took that photo of the P-51 which sort of adds to the psychotic smell this guy reeks of. Anyhow, I've got my own life to worry about not some low life internet loser.

:)

207 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:00:02pm

re: #205 freetoken

Yeah, the yellow on black.

Makes it easy to find myself. :)

208 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:00:20pm

re: #206 Gus 802

Some psychopath lifted the P-51 avatar. What a freak. I actually took that photo of the P-51 which sort of adds to the psychotic smell this guy reeks of. Anyhow, I've got my own life to worry about not some low life internet loser.

:)

Nice preamble.

You found another video, didn't you?
/

209 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:00:55pm

re: #208 researchok

Nice preamble.

You found another video, didn't you?
/

Video? Oh. That. Not now. :)

210 researchok  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:01:28pm

re: #209 Gus 802

Video? Oh. That. Not now. :)

Now I'm laughing again...

211 freetoken  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:01:29pm

re: #206 Gus 802

The problem with mine is that it now looks derivative. When I switched, before the 2008 election, it was novel. Now everyone has used the sunbeam stuff the past few years for all sorts of images.

re: #207 Gus 802

Makes it easy to find myself. :)


Yup. It's one reason mine is designed as it is.

212 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:02:07pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout

That video should've talked about the little boy born in Kenya only to become President of the U...

Mebbe not.

213 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:04:36pm

re: #211 freetoken

The problem with mine is that it now looks derivative. When I switched, before the 2008 election, it was novel. Now everyone has used the sunbeam stuff the past few years for all sorts of images.

re: #207 Gus 802


Yup. It's one reason mine is designed as it is.

Steelers!!

Nah, it not for the Steelers. Yellow against black stands out though.

214 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:06:12pm

re: #210 researchok

Now I'm laughing again...

I got a little plastered last night. :)

215 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:07:28pm

re: #201 freetoken

BTW, your new avatar is strikingly similar to one I've been thinking of doing for myself. Now I may have to reconsider...

No!

216 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:08:02pm

re: #215 Stanley Sea

No!

I was so encouraged when I saw your avatar HERE.

217 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:08:03pm
218 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:09:33pm

re: #217 Gus 802

From 2009...

Henry Rollins - Evolution

[Video]

Probably at or before 2008 since he mentions "abstinence only education" from "the president".

219 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:09:57pm

re: #217 Gus 802

HANK!

I saw Henry's spoken word show acouple years back, it was astonishing, that guy started and it was like he didn't take a breath for four hours

wrapped the mic cord around his wrist 3 times, assumed the Black Flag stance and JUST TOOK OFF

220 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:10:56pm

re: #218 Gus 802

Probably at or before 2008 since he mentions "abstinence only education" from "the president".

HR's spoken word is a huge influence

always try new things, always explore, if you want to get stronger, gotta lift a bigger weight

221 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:11:10pm

re: #219 WindUpBird

HANK!

I saw Henry's spoken word show acouple years back, it was astonishing, that guy started and it was like he didn't take a breath for four hours

wrapped the mic cord around his wrist 3 times, assumed the Black Flag stance and JUST TOOK OFF

Yeah. I like what he has to say from time to time.

222 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:11:36pm

re: #221 Gus 802

Yeah. I like what he has to say from time to time.

he's one of the good ones ^_^

223 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:11:49pm

re: #220 WindUpBird

HR's spoken word is a huge influence

always try new things, always explore, if you want to get stronger, gotta lift a bigger weight

Abstinence only education...

Just say NO to sex.

Yaeah, right.

224 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:12:53pm

re: #223 Gus 802

only the Bush administration could be so stupid and clueless, hahah


it's all just sucking up to fundies who are afraid of their own junk, but hey

225 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:14:33pm

re: #2 reine.de.tout

Pretentious ass recipe!

226 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:14:40pm

re: #224 WindUpBird

only the Bush administration could be so stupid and clueless, hahah

it's all just sucking up to fundies who are afraid of their own junk, but hey

Fundies are usually trying to control in others what they can't control themselves. They have no understanding of the meaning of MYOB.

227 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:15:55pm

re: #223 Gus 802

Abstinence only education...

Just say NO to sex.

Yaeah, right.

And it might actually be more of a convincing message...if it wasn't being pushed by the "Free Love" generation.

228 makeitstop  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:16:13pm

re: #219 WindUpBird

HANK!

I saw Henry's spoken word show acouple years back, it was astonishing, that guy started and it was like he didn't take a breath for four hours

wrapped the mic cord around his wrist 3 times, assumed the Black Flag stance and JUST TOOK OFF

Yeah, we saw the show here last year. He's an incredible extemporaneous speaker, and funny as hell to boot.

We hung out with him by his 'Bon Jovi bus' (heh) after the how, where he talked, signed stuff and took pictures with hi fan for another hour.

He definitely looks older and smaller in real life, though. I always thought he was a big dude. He looked like a smaller version of himself.

229 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:17:33pm

re: #227 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And it might actually be more of a convincing message...if it wasn't being pushed by the "Free Love" generation.

Oh yeah. A lot of "born agains" are like ex-smokers.

230 makeitstop  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:18:11pm

re: #229 Gus 802

Oh yeah. A lot of "born agains" are like ex-smokers.

Nothing worse than a reformed sinner, my old man used to say.

231 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:18:27pm
232 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:19:16pm

re: #229 Gus 802

Oh yeah. A lot of "born agains" are like ex-smokers.

"Yeah, you kids should wait til marriage, just like we...well, you should at least use protec...all life is sacred...you know what, just read this pamphlet and get out of my office."

233 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:19:31pm

White house meeting with TG activists: [Link: www.bluecollarphilosophy.com...]

I'm sure the snake handlers and the dried up fossils will protest

234 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:19:58pm

re: #232 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"Yeah, you kids should wait til marriage, just like we...well, you should at least use protec...all life is sacred...you know what, just read this pamphlet and get out of my office."

I'm not going to let you make the same mistakes I made!

/

235 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:20:07pm

re: #231 Gus 802

hahaha how can it be on the rise?! I figured everyone who wanted to be an idiot in texas already was

236 jaunte  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:20:30pm

re: #231 Gus 802

Persistent little ignoramuses, aren't they?

237 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:20:50pm

re: #234 Gus 802

I'm not going to let you make the same mistakes I made!

/

"No, that doesn't mean I don't love you. It just means that I shouldn't have been banging anything that moved...for days at a time...without a condom in sight...and enough drugs to kill a rhinoceros...this isn't sounding all that good, is it?"

238 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:21:04pm

re: #235 WindUpBird

re: #236 jaunte

They're evolving!

Mutating!

/

239 makeitstop  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:21:45pm

re: #238 Gus 802

re: #236 jaunte

They're evolving!

Mutating!

/

Reproducing. (Shudder)

240 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:21:45pm

re: #229 Gus 802

Oh yeah. A lot of "born agains" are like ex-smokers.

BORN AGAINS!

Those people are comedy

and their kids were always great, when i knew them in school, they were the hooligans, they would always be the ones who knew how to steal their mother's car, access to booze, shoplifting, and they were all into evil music

I guess if you're a smart kid who has a parent who's totally insane, you just decide not to care

241 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:22:16pm

re: #238 Gus 802

re: #236 jaunte

They're evolving!

Mutating!

/

hahaha like toxic avenger creationists

all the old too-much-makeup texas biddies with elephant trunks and massive wangs

242 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:22:47pm

What is it doctor?

Well, you won't believe this but I'm afraid we're looking at a creationist mutation. They're evolving into a more resistant strain of creationism.

243 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:23:42pm

re: #239 makeitstop

Reproducing. (Shudder)

there'll never be an end to it, they have their culture, we have ours. ^_^ They wouldn't last a day in Portland, the first topless bicyclist would make them fall to one knee and weep for the madness and chaos all around them

244 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:24:22pm

re: #242 Gus 802

What is it doctor?

Well, you won't believe this but I'm afraid we're looking at a creationist mutation. They're evolving into a more resistant strain of creationism.


what WOULD be the most creationist version of Christanity? Which ones are ONLY about creationism?

245 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:24:42pm

re: #244 WindUpBird

cults don't count

246 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:25:54pm

re: #244 WindUpBird

what WOULD be the most creationist version of Christanity? Which ones are ONLY about creationism?

That might require some study.

247 jaunte  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:26:36pm

re: #242 Gus 802

Looks like a Harkonnen
Image: 090326-texasScience-hmed-510p.photoblog600.jpg

248 RadicalModerate  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:26:52pm

re: #231 Gus 802

Yeesh...

Creationism on the rise in Texas?

Not really on the rise per se, but the creationist proponents are getting more brazen and bold since the worst of them got tossed out of the Texas Board of Education in the last election cycle. Now, its state legislators who are trying to ram thru things like requiring equal time and research funding for creationists at the college/university level. Which the regents with the University of Texas system responded by informing the legislators that if that happened, then the Biology departments run the risk of losing accreditation (UT-Austin currently has one of the top 5% Life Sciences departments in the country).

Of course, the creationists ignored this.

249 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:28:32pm

Creationism isn't so much on the rise as it is coming out in the spotlight after decades in the shadows. It's not as though these people adopted creationism yesterday, it's just that they're now in a position where they believe they have the power and the approval of the people to ram through such insanity.

250 jaunte  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:30:13pm

Ken Mercer, wedging:

I noted, on the public record, that the SBOE was in 99% agreement with the science experts’ new standards document. The only point of contention was whether students should have the right to ask questions and discuss the “strengths & weaknesses” of any theory, including the theory of evolution.

At the March 2009 SBOE public hearing, I asked several science experts if they believe we created “world-class standards for each area of science including Biology, Chemistry, Physics, and Environmental Science.” They agreed.

However, various experts in evolution opposed giving students the freedom to discuss and honestly question all scientific theories, especially evolution.

Fifteen thousand (15,000) constituent emails, and 700 scientists disagreed with those experts.
[Link: www.texasinsider.org...]

251 Kragar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:31:19pm

Syrian Baath Party members resigning, reports of large scale desertions

About 200 people have resigned from the Baath Party in the last two days to protest the government's violent response to the unrest. Most of the resignations came from party members in the cities of Dara and Baniyas, which have been opposition hot spots.

"My resignation was a message and duty," former party member Mohammad Sheghri said in Baniyas. "Security officials clearly abused peaceful and unarmed protesters. This ruthless violation and oppression of citizens has never been something the Baath Party stood for."

There were also continuing reports of dissent within the armed forces. A Dara resident said an entire army unit, either a division or brigade, had broken off and was hiding among the people.

252 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:34:08pm

Poll: Belief in supreme being strong across globe

NEW YORK — Belief in a god, or a supreme being, and some sort of afterlife is strong in many countries around the globe, according to a new Ipsos/Reuters poll.

Fifty-one percent of the 18,829 people across 23 countries who took part in the survey said they were convinced there is an afterlife and a divine entity, while 18 percent said they don't believe in a god and 17 percent weren't sure.

But only 28 percent believe in creationism, the belief that a god created humans, compared to 41 percent who believe in human evolution and 31 percent who simply don't know what to believe.

I'm posting this just for the evolution stuff. ;)

253 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:35:09pm

re: #252 Gus 802

Poll: Belief in supreme being strong across globe

I'm posting this just for the evolution stuff. ;)

Not exactly encouraging, that 59% of the world population either believes that the world was created by some supreme being or are too apathetic to care either way.

254 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:36:28pm

re: #252 Gus 802

Poll: Belief in supreme being strong across globe

I'm posting this just for the evolution stuff. ;)

Not as good as Oolon Colluphid's trilogy of philosophical blockbusters Where God Went Wrong, Some More of God's Greatest Mistakes and Who is this God Person Anyway?

255 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:36:39pm

re: #253 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Not exactly encouraging, that 59% of the world population either believes that the world was created by some supreme being or are too apathetic to care either way.

I don't think it's 59 percent:

But only 28 percent believe in creationism, the belief that a god created humans, compared to 41 percent who believe in human evolution and 31 percent who simply don't know what to believe.

Looks like the majority believes in evolution.

256 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:38:38pm

re: #255 Gus 802

I don't think it's 59 percent:

Looks like the majority believes in evolution.

I was lumping in the 31% who "simply don't know what to believe" with the creationists, because that honestly reads to me like people who either don't give enough of a damn either way or do believe in one, but are afraid to openly voice it for fear of being ostracized.

257 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:39:23pm

More here...

Ipsos Global @dvisory: Supreme Being(s), the Afterlife and Evolution
Belief in Supreme Being(s) and Afterlife Accepted By Half (51%) of Citizens in 23 Country Survey, But Only 28% Are ‘Creationists’

Monday, April 25, 2011

New York — A poll conducted by global research company Ipsos for Reuters News finds that one half (51%) of global citizens definitely believe in a ‘divine entity’ compared to 18% who don’t and 17% who just aren’t sure.

Similarly, half (51%) believe in some kind of afterlife while the remaining half believe they will either just ‘cease to exist’ (23%) or simply ‘don’t know’ (26%) about a hereafter. Lastly, the survey revealed that four in 10 (41%) believe in human evolution compared to 28% who believe in creationism and 31%of the global population who is unsure what to believe.

The findings are from a survey conducted in 23 countries among 18,829 adults (see list and methodology below)...

258 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:40:24pm

Lara Logan speaks out: "They raped me with their hands"[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

259 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:41:04pm

re: #256 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I was lumping in the 31% who "simply don't know what to believe" with the creationists, because that honestly reads to me like people who either don't give enough of a damn either way or do believe in one, but are afraid to openly voice it for fear of being ostracized.

Ah, OK. The 31 percent could go in any direction. My first inclination would be that they just don't care or give it any thought. They could also be conflicted not leaning in one direction or another. I imagine there could be something like a hybrid of thought where a person can be part evolutionist and part creationist.

260 Interesting Times  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:41:30pm

re: #255 Gus 802

I don't think it's 59 percent:

Looks like the majority believes in evolution.

Wasn't China one of the countries with the highest rate of evolution acceptance?

Perhaps that's why they'll soon evolve to be a larger economy than their creationist counterpart...

261 RadicalModerate  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:42:34pm

One other tidbit on Mr. Mercer.

Not only is he a creationist, he likes blowing the dogwhistle of identity politics too.

Texas Board Of Ed Wants To Scrub Textbooks Of Muslim History

The social conservatives on the board, who earlier this year set new standards requiring textbooks to include sections on anti-Equal Rights Amendment crusader Phyllis Schafly, the Contract with America and the Christian beliefs of the Founders, want to pass a resolution warning textbook makers not to include “gross pro-Islamic, anti-Christian distortions” in their books.

According to board member Ken Mercer, many world history books are rife with such “Muslim propaganda.”

“One of the books I reviewed has 120 lines referencing Christian beliefs, but has 248 lines referencing Muslim beliefs,” Mercer told WOAI News Radio.

A draft of the resolution obtained by the Dallas Morning News reads, in part, that “diverse reviewers have repeatedly documented gross pro-Islamic, anti-Christian distortions in social studies texts,” including “sanitized definitions of ‘jihad’ that exclude religious intolerance or military aggression against non-Muslims … which undergirds worldwide Muslim terrorism.”

This is in part due, the resolution argues, to “Middle-Easterners” infiltrating the textbook market.

262 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:43:04pm

re: #260 publicityStunted

Wasn't China one of the countries with the highest rate of evolution acceptance?

Perhaps that's why they'll soon evolve to be a larger economy than their creationist counterpart...

This is from my last link...

Seven Days or Millions of Years…

Much debate has focused on whether humans were the products of either a spiritual force creation or the force of nature by way of a gradual evolution.

* Four in ten (41%) identify as “as 'evolutionist's' and believe that human beings were in fact created over a long period of time of evolution growing into fully formed human beings they are today from lower species such as apes.” Those most likely to believe in this are from Sweden (68%), Germany (65%), China (64%), Belgium (61%) and Japan (60%).

* Three in ten (28%) global citizens refer to themselves as “creationists and believe that human beings were in fact created by a spiritual force such as the God they believe in and do not believe that the origin of man came from evolving from other species such as apes” led by those from Saudi Arabia (75%), Turkey (60%), Indonesia (57%), South Africa (56%) and Brazil (47%).

* Almost one third (31%) of the global population indicate they “simply don't know what to believe and sometimes agree or disagree with theories and ideas put forward by both creationists and evolutionists”. Those from Russia (40%) are most likely to be unsure followed by those from Italy (39%), Argentina (38%), Poland (37%), Spain (37%) and France (36%).

263 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:43:32pm

re: #259 Gus 802

Ah, OK. The 31 percent could go in any direction. My first inclination would be that they just don't care or give it any thought. They could also be conflicted not leaning in one direction or another. I imagine there could be something like a hybrid of thought where a person can be part evolutionist and part creationist.

Considering myself a Deist, I'm willing to believe that there's a higher power, but I don't believe he/she/it had any overt part in the creation of the universe. At best, I think that whoever or whatever that power was "flicked the switch," then turned and left. Hell, I'm more inclined to believe that we as sentient life are the product of genetic manipulation by a forerunner race than I am that some omnipotent and omniscient being created everything in the course of a week 6000 years ago.

264 prairiefire  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:45:23pm

re: #258 prairiefire

Sorry to leave the thread on a down beat. I admire her willingness to speak out. No "nasty little secrets" for Lara!
Night, lizards.

265 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:47:17pm

Cool. Here's the complete poll...

[Link: www.ipsos-na.com...]

PDF

266 Interesting Times  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:48:37pm

re: #265 Gus 802

Cool. Here's the complete poll...

[Link: www.ipsos-na.com...]

PDF

But does it have layers?

267 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:49:12pm

re: #251 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I thought that it would be a cold day in hell before the Syrian Gov't fell a month ago because of the brutality that it puts against its people. Now, I'm thinking I might have to eat my words.

If Syria does fall, this revolutionary wave may continue and surge.

268 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:49:39pm

Excerpt:

41 percent - Some people are referred to as 'evolutionist's' and believe that human beings were in fact created over a long period of time of evolution growing into fully formed human beings they are today from lower species such as apes.

31 percent - Some people simply don't know what to believe and sometimes agree or disagree with theories and ideas put forward by both creationist's and evolutionist's.

28 percent - Some people are referred to as 'creationist's' and believe that
human beings were in fact created by a spiritual force such as the God they believe in and do not believe that the origin of man came from evolving from other species such as apes.

269 jaunte  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:49:50pm

re: #261 RadicalModerate

“One of the books I reviewed has 120 lines referencing Christian beliefs, but has 248 lines referencing Muslim beliefs,” Mercer told WOAI News Radio.


The kindest interpretation of that would be that it didn't occur to him that the students reading the books would have vast familiarity with Christian beliefs, and almost no information about Muslims. However, he's not an advocate for education, he's a religious bigot.

270 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:51:18pm

re: #267 ProLifeLiberal

I thought that it would be a cold day in hell before the Syrian Gov't fell a month ago because of the brutality that it puts against its people. Now, I'm thinking I might have to eat my words.

If Syria does fall, this revolutionary wave may continue and surge.

Syria falls, then be prepared for the rest of the Middle East leaders to shit a collective brick. If a regime like Assad's can be brought down by revolutionaries, then all bets are off.

271 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:52:59pm

Hey SFZ - you around?

272 Gus  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:54:55pm

Ugh. Again...

From: Some people are referred to as 'creationist's' and believe that human beings were in fact created by a spiritual force such as the God they believe in and do not believe that the origin of man came from evolving from other species such as apes - Countries

Nation results in percent:

Saudi Arabia 75
Turkey 60
Indonesia 57
South Africa 56
Brazil 47
United States 40
Russia 34
India 33
Mexico 32
Argentina 26
Poland 25

And it continues. On page 20.

Oddly enough the USA has more creationists than Poland which is typically seen as a highly Catholic country.

273 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:56:24pm

re: #270 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You'd better believe it. At that point, it'd be duck and cover. The only the gov'ts willing to listen to their people will survive if that happens. Right now, aside from the obvious (Hi Israel) we have only Jordan and Morocco as definites. Oman and Kuwait are plausibles. Not sure what would happen in UAE, Iraq, or Qatar.

If Syria falls, I would pull the troops and forces out of the Persian Gulf until the new order settles out. It could turn ugly.

274 Digital Display  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:56:53pm

Belief in God is by faith..And it is hard
If it was easy we'd all believe
I often wonder..If God would just reveal himself to mankind there would be less killing and hate in this world..
But in a Universe that stretches out to infinity..He hides himself to us.. Why? I don't understand...But only by Faith is salvation and I don't pretend to judge him...
I am just a drop of water in the Ocean and try the best I can to live by his example..
/Man that was heavy

275 Kragar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 8:57:38pm

re: #273 ProLifeLiberal

You'd better believe it. At that point, it'd be duck and cover. The only the gov'ts willing to listen to their people will survive if that happens. Right now, aside from the obvious (Hi Israel) we have only Jordan and Morocco as definites. Oman and Kuwait are plausibles. Not sure what would happen in UAE, Iraq, or Qatar.

If Syria falls, I would pull the troops and forces out of the Persian Gulf until the new order settles out. It could turn ugly.

Syria falls, Iran is going to get nasty fast.

276 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:01:55pm

re: #275 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Syria falls, Iran is going to get nasty fast.

Yep, we've seen shades of that since Egypt, when they had to start crackdowns of their own. Syria falls, not only do they lose a proxy, but they will find themselves dealing with much bolder revolutionaries. When that happens, $140/bbl oil is going to seem like a golden memory.

277 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:02:10pm

re: #275 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah. The only way Iran will fall is through a Civil War. And Iran has more weaponry in it, so it would get bad in a hurry.

Yemen's government will be gone within the month. 3rd Government to fall. There are rumors on Twitter and Al-Jazeera Live Blog of fighting in Tripoli (Little pockets of rebels there have been trouble for Qaddafi for a while now. Attacking Checkpoints in the city, then running off, poisoning the food Qaddafi's troops are using, and the like).

278 Kragar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:10:56pm

re: #277 ProLifeLiberal

Yeah. The only way Iran will fall is through a Civil War. And Iran has more weaponry in it, so it would get bad in a hurry.

There are also a lot more competing factions in Iran.

279 jaunte  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:14:43pm

Goodnight all. Off to read...

I always tried to help Leon and you see the thanks I got. I hired him to drive for me right after his rat died. He was with the Murrell Brothers Shows at that time, exhibiting a fifty-pound rat from the sewers of Paris, France. Of course it didn't really weigh fifty pounds and it wasn't your true rat and it wasn't from Paris, France, either. It was some kind of animal from South America. Anyway, the thing died and I hired Leon to drive for me. I was selling birthstone rings and vibrating jowl straps from door to door and he would let me out at one end of the block and wait on me at the other end
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
280 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:20:47pm

re: #277 ProLifeLiberal

Oh forgot to mention, there are now battles between the Qaddafyites and the Rebels are going on in Tunisia now. From Wikipedia:

Muammar Gaddafi brings the 2011 Libyan civil war over the border into Tunisia. The Tunisian foreign ministry warns of a "dangerous military escalation" and makes its "extreme indignation known" in a statement referring to "Shots fired at a populated area on Tunisian territory" as "a violation of Tunisia's territorial integrity and a violation of the security of the residents of this region".

281 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:23:53pm

re: #271 eclectic infidel

Hey SFZ - you around?

Yep.

282 Lidane  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:39:10pm

So my boyfriend just told me Letterman called Trump a racist tonight.

I need to find a clip of this. I'd love to see it.

283 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:42:13pm

re: #61 ProLifeLiberal

Terror Bombings. To my (admittedly different) mind, I see a rockets with a low likelihood to hit me and my positions. Perhaps little groups of rebels could go out and destroy the launchers with RPGs? Gaddafi's troops are strained, meaning there may not be a huge amount of protection, and Gaddafi's men's morale is low.

Not really possible. BM-21s have a maximum range of more than 10 miles. They can be fired from safely within your own lines.

284 freetoken  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:43:08pm

re: #282 Lidane

FYI, guess who is the featured speaker at the Iowa GOP "Lincoln Dinner" in a few weeks.

That's right - The Donald.

$100/plate.

285 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:45:04pm

re: #284 freetoken

FYI, guess who is the featured speaker at the Iowa GOP "Lincoln Dinner" in a few weeks.

That's right - The Donald.

$100/plate.

Lincoln, of course, would have no love for Trump. He'd have worked with him if he needed to (Lincoln was entirely willing to tolerate assholes to save the Union) but he'd never like Trump.

286 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:47:22pm

Death Toll for Yesterday's Tornado event is now 301. The overall event since the 25th has killed 306. Now just 24-29 from passing the number killed by the Super Outbreak in 1974. If it passes that, it will also pass a 1932 outbreak, making this the deadliest Outbreak in the US since the 1925 St. Louis Tornado. It's likely this single tornado is one of the nation's deadliest on record.

287 Lidane  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:47:32pm

re: #284 freetoken

FYI, guess who is the featured speaker at the Iowa GOP "Lincoln Dinner" in a few weeks.

That's right - The Donald.

$100/plate.

I thought the teabaggers and birthers hated Lincoln. Isn't he a genocidal tyrant or something? Worst preznit EVAR, according to the loons? Why would they be hosting a Lincoln dinner?

///

288 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:54:29pm

..........*peeks in*...........

289 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:55:47pm
290 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:57:07pm

re: #287 Lidane

I thought the teabaggers and birthers hated Lincoln. Isn't he a genocidal tyrant or something? Worst preznit EVAR, according to the loons? Why would they be hosting a Lincoln dinner?

///

Those are the Neo-Confederates. The northern wingnuts don't have a beef with Lincoln, they just ignore his legacy. In Wisconsin, Minnesota, Indiana and Illinois, Lincoln Days are kept faithfully. But in Oowa, they've been taken over as an occasion to spew Bad Craziness.

291 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:59:25pm

re: #289 tnguitarist

This must be one of those 'compassionate conservatives'.

What a fucking asshole, that one...

292 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:05:13pm

re: #289 tnguitarist

This must be one of those 'compassionate conservatives'.

I understand why Tilly said that, and why he was wrong to say it. And to be fair, at least he made a genuine apology, rather than a "I'm sorry if people took my words out of context and were offended". I'm going to accept his apology and call it a day on that one. We all have moments when we act like a jerk.

293 Kragar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:05:47pm

After several months, I've finally completed my last of my grenadiers, so I can now field my IG assault brigade of 40 Grenadiers in Chimera APCs and 2 Squads of Stormtroopers in Valkyries.

I'll take the silence as awestruck appreciation.

294 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:11:53pm

re: #292 Dark_Falcon

Some folks just don't have that certain filter built into their brain. You know, the filter that says "maybe I shouldn't suggest flooding an entire town and be smarmy about it".

295 tnguitarist  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:13:15pm

re: #293 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

After several months, I've finally completed my last of my grenadiers, so I can now field my IG assault brigade of 40 Grenadiers in Chimera APCs and 2 Squads of Stormtroopers in Valkyries.

I'll take the silence as awestruck appreciation.

No pics?

296 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:17:17pm

re: #294 tnguitarist

Some folks just don't have that certain filter built into their brain. You know, the filter that says "maybe I shouldn't suggest flooding an entire town and be smarmy about it".

Hell, I'm one of them. It wasn't long ago I said if we left Afghanistan we should nuke it as we did so. That wasn't any better than what Tilly said. Tilly screwed up, but I'm going to accept that a screw-up was all it was. And I hope the rains stop too. Because I understand what he's worried about:

297 Kragar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:17:29pm

re: #295 tnguitarist

No pics?

Small models and the detail work and cammie patterns don't really show up well on my camera, too blurry. I might try and borrow my buddies this weekend.

298 Kragar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:23:02pm

And now I'm stuck looking at my desk thinking which ones to do next

299 windsagio  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:27:05pm

so WUB dragged me kicking and screaming into the twitters. I feel kinda dirty :(

300 Kragar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:30:09pm

re: #299 windsagio

so WUB dragged me kicking and screaming into the twitters. I feel kinda dirty :(

Thats because you are dirty.

Oh so very dirty.

301 windsagio  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:31:38pm

re: #300 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thats because you are dirty.

Oh so very dirty.

Ooh say more! This is gonna be so hot!!

302 Kragar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:34:00pm

re: #301 windsagio

Ooh say more! This is gonna be so hot!!

You know this weekend is the first of May?

303 windsagio  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:35:08pm

re: #302 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

that brings up some memories of the shadier parts of my past, thanks >>

304 Kragar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:39:40pm

re: #303 windsagio

that brings up some memories of the shadier parts of my past, thanks >>

The shady parts are ever so more interesting than the brightly lit parts

305 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:41:58pm

re: #304 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The shady parts are ever so more interesting than the brightly lit parts

And with that, I'm heading off to bed. Goodnight.

306 Kragar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:42:23pm

re: #305 Dark_Falcon

And with that, I'm heading off to bed. Goodnight.

chicken

307 windsagio  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:43:03pm

re: #304 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The shady parts are ever so more interesting than the brightly lit parts

You know how it is, for a while I played WoW on a RP server ;)

308 Kragar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:44:11pm

re: #307 windsagio

You know how it is, for a while I played WoW on a RP server ;)

Sinner.

309 windsagio  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:46:01pm

re: #308 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sinner.

I actually had to leave because people were getting to clingy and weird. You want to spend your time playing the game, not 'entertaining'.

310 Kragar  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:47:13pm

re: #309 windsagio

I actually had to leave because people were getting to clingy and weird. You want to spend your time playing the game, not 'entertaining'.

Heh, you pay 15 gold for 15 minutes, you better get 15 minutes.

311 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:47:22pm

re: #309 windsagio

I actually had to leave because people were getting to clingy and weird. You want to spend your time playing the game, not 'entertaining'.

Man, some people just take gaming way too seriously.
Lol.

312 windsagio  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:51:07pm

anybody feel uncomfortable yet? :D

But no, it was a weird scene. And I have no idea why I felt hte need to tell everyone that, lol.

313 windsagio  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 10:51:32pm
314 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:25:28pm

re: #304 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The shady parts are ever so more interesting than the brightly lit parts

The shady parts are reality :)

the brightly lit parts are Vegas. Fake everything. Fake facades, fake air, fake people, fake tits, fake

315 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:26:27pm

re: #312 windsagio

anybody feel uncomfortable yet? :D

But no, it was a weird scene. And I have no idea why I felt hte need to tell everyone that, lol.

hahah everyone of our generation of a certain online bent has typefucked, it's great!

hell, they now sell those USB dildos that people control remotely. Seems like too much work!

316 freetoken  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:29:07pm

We have all placed our bets on what the dress and shoes will look like, no? The unveiling is only hours away!

317 Mocking Jay  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:29:44pm

Sooo... has anyone noticed this little gem?

Supreme Court Allows Contracts That Prohibit Class-Action Arbitration

Brought to you by JayCorp.

318 windsagio  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:30:31pm

re: #317 JasonA

60 years of stacking the court with free-market nutjobs at work >>

319 Mocking Jay  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:32:04pm

re: #318 windsagio

60 years of stacking the court with free-market nutjobs at work >>

Prepare to get nickled and dimed. More than you already are.

320 freetoken  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:53:55pm

Paleo-Pat's new column is up at Townhall, in which Buchanan trumpets Trump's pursuit of and success wrt the birth certificate. Buchanan is objecting to people calling Trump racist for wanting to see Obama's papers, and he goes on to encourage Trump in the pursuit of the college stuff, etc.

And of course the crowd over there is loving it.

You may say "But it's Buchanan, he's supposed to be racist" and yes, of course he approves of Trump's maneuverings (on this issue.)

The point is how Trump has indeed continued to put himself into the good graces of all sorts of creeps in the far right of this nation's polity.

321 freetoken  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:55:55pm

Oh, and to top it off Paleo-Pat starts off his essay discussing the Tucson shooting, as if calling Trump on his racism is somehow violating the spirit of Obama's call to turn down the heated rhetoric.

322 Mocking Jay  Thu, Apr 28, 2011 11:58:02pm

re: #317 JasonA

Sooo... has anyone noticed this little gem?

Supreme Court Allows Contracts That Prohibit Class-Action Arbitration

Brought to you by JayCorp.

Before I go to bed I should mention one thing: I think I'm on the corporation's side on this particular case. AT&T was being sued for trying to collect the taxes that the State of California expects of them for the value for the phone. I think the decision itself was bullshit because of the implications, but I am trying to be fair here.

323 freetoken  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:25:22am
324 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:33:23am

I am a Britisher - and don't care one jot about the wedding today, other than that taxpayers are footing the bill.

IMHO - if the American people want the royals, they can have them.

You need a dysfunctional media whorish family to replace the Palins.

325 freetoken  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:35:03am

For all those who need to watch, the Royal Channel on Youtube is officially streaming the wedding:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

326 windsagio  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:38:49am

re: #324 wozzablog

I am a Britisher - and don't care one jot about the wedding today, other than that taxpayers are footing the bill.

IMHO - if the American people want the royals, they can have them.

You need a dysfunctional media whorish family to replace the Palins.

We don't want them thx.

There was an interview on the NPR/BBC news thing yesterday about a British organization that wants to abolish the monarchy. He put it nicer but his reason was basically 'it makes us look like backwards retards'.

327 freetoken  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:40:16am

And of course the UStream video:

[Link: www.ustream.tv...]

which is already running, showing the D-listers arriving.

328 freetoken  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:40:49am

The hats... my God, the hats.

329 freetoken  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:49:26am

Feathers - appears to be the the fashion in hats.

330 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:54:02am

re: #328 freetoken

The hats... my God, the hats.

Sounds like you're jealous.
/

331 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:58:09am

ahh con stories on twitter

332 freetoken  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:58:16am

re: #330 Varek Raith

Well, it's not every occasion that one can wear what looks like a dead bird from an alien planet on one's head.

333 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 12:58:25am

re: #329 freetoken

Feathers - appears to be the the fashion in hats.

you stay away from my butt! ^_^

334 AK-47%  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 1:01:28am

re: #326 windsagio

We don't want them thx.

There was an interview on the NPR/BBC news thing yesterday about a British organization that wants to abolish the monarchy. He put it nicer but his reason was basically 'it makes us look like backwards retards'.

I never understood why the Monarchy was not privatised (with an "s" as they are British) along with the rest of the country's infrastructure.

British Royal plc: I think it would be a great idea. it would help keep them in line - if they behave like arrogant philandering dicks, then nobody will hire them for gala appearances or supermarket openings.

And every British Royal (TM) wedding would be a source of revenue enough to keep them in the black until the next Royal Baby (TM) is born.

335 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 1:01:34am

re: #320 freetoken

what would you think of trump if he just had no desire to run?

Like he dominates the field with this birther schtick, gets the nod, and then just runs an anti-campaign as a stunt and makes the GOP into a whole new level of laughingstock


I certainly think that's possible, and it would go down in history

nobody cares about a loser GOP nominee

EVERYONE would care if Trump pulled a heist of the GOP's presidential ambitions, just announces close to the election that he's been coordinating with Obama

Imagine what Obama could give a guy, imagine how much power Tump could have if he was just in cahoots with the WH the whole time

probably not likely, but a bird can dream

336 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 1:02:51am

re: #334 ralphieboy

I just have no interest in monarchies

britian's royalty is no more interesting to me than saudi royalty, it's not interesting to me

337 AK-47%  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 1:04:58am

re: #335 WindUpBird


I have an unfounded personal theory, namely that Trump is seriously overleveraged again with nobody to offer to bail him out this time. Some grey eminence has offered to save his bacon only if he agrees to get up and campaign like a total dickhead.

This theory is, of course, totally unfounded by facts, but unless he can offer proof otherwise, I will not bury my doubts, and even if he does offer conclusive proof, I will still doubt it because I have too much personal capital invested in my pet theory.

338 windsagio  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 1:06:36am

Something worth reading.

Not topical or nice, but freakin' hilarious!

When Nazi doctors were let loose during WWII, the incredible rate of their discoveries were matched only by the inadequacy of words to atone for them. They might have been monsters, but without them, we never would have discovered the yield elasticity of the elderly, or learned what part of a prisoner's tongue detects the taste of angel meat.

339 freetoken  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 1:07:13am

re: #335 WindUpBird

The Donald only is out to make The Donald more famous and maybe even get himself out of debt.

340 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 1:07:17am

re: #338 windsagio

oh God, Seanbaby! hahahaha

341 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 1:07:36am

re: #338 windsagio

Our generation's humor is so very warped

342 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 1:08:01am

re: #339 freetoken

The Donald only is out to make The Donald more famous and maybe even get himself out of debt.

I agree, but that doesn't mean he wants to become president!

343 freetoken  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 1:23:16am

BTW, this link
[Link: newsblogged.com...]

has both the CBS streams (via UStream). The second one is the feed without Couric and the extra stuff.

344 windsagio  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 1:24:46am
The neighborhood paper girl appeared by the toilet for only a moment to howl from between worlds and vanish.


Sean is my hero.

345 freetoken  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 1:50:49am

So, it looks like the B-listers are streaming in.

Makes me wonder about the people who are sitting at the very back, by the doors. They're the bottom of the D-list. Would one really want to be identified as such, even if one had an invitation? Wouldn't it be better to decline?

346 freetoken  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 1:54:03am

Nothing says "commoner" more than wearing a cut out silver paper crown.

347 AK-47%  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 1:56:32am

re: #346 freetoken

Nothing says "commoner" more than wearing a cut out silver paper crown.

This is an amazing thing about British Class Culture: many of those at the bottom of the social anthill seem to revel in their status.

A as FT commented above about the D-listers at the wedding, these folks would rather be at the bottom of the heap in Britain than part of the middle class in any other nation of the world.

348 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:12:37am

re: #344 windsagio

Sean is my hero.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

349 freetoken  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:18:20am

The princes are arriving.

People are going wild.

I wonder what Karl Marx would say.

350 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:22:40am

re: #349 freetoken

The princes are arriving.

People are going wild.

I wonder what Karl Marx would say.

"I wish I had a better seat".

351 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:22:51am

I always cry at weddings.

352 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:23:47am

re: #351 Shropshire_Slasher

I always cry at weddings.

Formal wear rental fees hurt.

353 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:24:15am

BOOORRRIIINNNGGG.
:)

354 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:25:11am

re: #353 Varek Raith

BOOORRRIIINNNGGG.
:)

Hoops contest begins in a few.

Hang in there

355 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:26:03am

I'm just waching so I can see the WW2 era airplane flyover. Than I'm riding my motorcycle to work.

356 freetoken  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:27:26am

The King of Tonga just arrived.

Now we can party.

357 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:28:58am

re: #356 freetoken

The King of Tonga just arrived.

Now we can party.

Very impressive toga. I wonder who his tailor is.

358 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:29:36am

re: #356 freetoken


How low can we go!!!!??!???!?!

359 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:29:44am

TOGATOGATOGATOGA

360 windsagio  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:30:29am

ok yeah, 'nite. Enjoy weddingcrap :p

361 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:31:15am

re: #360 windsagio

ok yeah, 'nite. Enjoy weddingcrap :p

Don't be sad. You aren't out of the running.

Kate has a sister.

362 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:32:46am

I got my leather chaps on, 42 degrees f right now in upstate ny.

363 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:34:21am

re: #362 Shropshire_Slasher

I got my leather chaps on, 42 degrees f right now in upstate ny.

57 here in Raleigh

To be clear, I'm not wearing leather chaps

364 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:37:36am

It's good to be the king

365 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:38:58am

re: #364 Shropshire_Slasher

It's good to be the king

That bald guy had more medals than I have knives, forks and spoons.

366 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:39:39am

re: #365 researchok

Chest salad yummy

367 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:40:30am

re: #366 Shropshire_Slasher

Chest salad yummy

Pretty much. The lower two medals looked like salad utensils

368 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:41:12am

THAT'S A HAT

369 freetoken  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:41:42am

re: #368 researchok

I didn't think they could get any more.... hat-tish.

370 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:41:43am

re: #368 researchok

THAT'S A HAT

That's a lady!
That's a house!
That's a bee!
/Quagmire.

371 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:42:18am

iggidy

372 freetoken  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:43:10am

Liz is the only one wearing yellow. I was wondering why all the other women avoided yellow in their hats.

373 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:43:11am

THE QUEEN!!!
i miss freddy m. btw

374 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:44:26am

re: #372 freetoken

Liz is the only one wearing yellow. I was wondering why all the other women avoided yellow in their hats.

Might have something to do with ugly. Elizabeth II is an authority on ugly hats.

She's quite accomplished in that arena, you know.

375 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:45:05am

re: #373 Shropshire_Slasher

THE QUEEN!!!
i miss freddy m. btw

Everybody misses FM.

He was the champion

376 freetoken  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:46:01am

Fashion catastrophe!!!

Camilla's hat, with the two curly things that look like some African antelope's horns, is very much like another one I saw, complete with the curly horns.

377 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:47:02am

re: #376 freetoken

Fashion catastrophe!!!

Camilla's hat, with the two curly things that look like some African antelope's horns, is very much like another one I saw, complete with the curly horns.

In fairness, Camilla is familiar with humiliation

378 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:48:30am

re: #376 freetoken

Fashion catastrophe!!!

Camilla's hat, with the two curly things that look like some African antelope's horns, is very much like another one I saw, complete with the curly horns.

Sit up straight! You'll want to make a good impression on Pippa!

379 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:49:22am

Yellow is not my color, but the Queen looks good, I hope I age that well.

380 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:49:29am

The Queen and vicar have matching outfits.

Nice touch

381 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:51:09am

Lets hurry this thing up, I gotta go to work in ten

382 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:51:29am

Nice rides all around.

No Chevy Volts in sight, thouigh

383 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:52:10am
384 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:52:15am

re: #382 researchok

Its good to see the Land Rovers didn't break down.

385 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:52:51am

Good morning all. I see you've all caught Royal Fever. There's an ointment for that.

386 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:53:01am

I wonder if they'll stop at a drive thru on the way

387 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:53:31am

re: #385 RogueOne

Good morning all. I see you've all caught Royal Fever. There's an ointment for that.

We're making fun of hats.

388 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:54:06am

re: #387 Varek Raith

We're making fun of hats.

And everything else

389 AK-47%  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:54:57am

re: #384 Shropshire_Slasher

Its good to see the Land Rovers didn't break down.


btw, a Rolls Royce does not "break down", it "fails to proceed".

I am haveing a mental procedural failure...

390 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:55:51am

re: #387 Varek Raith

LIES! Admit it, you've already ordered the Official Royal Wedding Commemorative Plates.

391 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:56:24am

That big flower girl is hot!

392 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:56:51am

What are the first words every groom hears immediately after the ceremony?

"There's going to be some changes around here..."

393 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:57:56am

I'm so bored.

394 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:58:26am

I notice I left yesterday just before a massive dust up, that's twice this week. My timing is perfect!

395 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 2:59:09am

re: #394 RogueOne

I notice I left yesterday just before a massive dust up, that's twice this week. My timing is perfect!

Same here. I missed the fireworks

396 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:00:05am

The British do church bells very well.

397 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:01:01am

re: #393 Varek Raith

I'm so bored.

Publish your SS number online.

398 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:01:45am

re: #382 researchok

The royalty favors Audis, right? That's all i care about hahah

399 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:01:48am

With all those buttons down the back of the brides maids dress it's going to take someone an hour to get her out of that thing.

400 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:02:25am

re: #398 WindUpBird

The royalty favors Audis, right? That's all i care about hahah

Jags, man- where have you been all AM?

401 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:03:29am

re: #400 researchok

Jags, man- where have you been all AM?

I'm not watching

But i KNOW they roll around in Audis as well :-) [Link: jalopnik.com...]

402 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:04:09am

re: #401 WindUpBird

I'm not watching

But i KNOW they roll around in Audis as well :-) [Link: jalopnik.com...]

Hard to pass up a bargain

403 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:04:43am

Nice low key music

404 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:05:31am

What an outrageously gorgeous setting for a wedding.

405 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:05:52am

re: #402 researchok

Hard to pass up a bargain

also, they're a little less hoon-tastic than jags :D Jag doesn't make anything like the Allroad

406 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:06:34am

re: #404 RogueOne

What an outrageously gorgeous setting for a wedding.

Being a Prince means you will never have to bet married at a VFW hall.

407 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:07:11am

re: #405 WindUpBird

also, they're a little less hoon-tastic than jags :D Jag doesn't make anything like the Allroad

The allroad morphed into the A6

408 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:08:48am

If the Prince thing doesn't work out for William, he can shine a flashlight on his bald spot and work as a landing light at Heathrow.

409 freetoken  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:12:51am

re: #408 researchok

I wonder if he'll do the comb-over like his dad.re:

410 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:14:24am

His lip syncing is awful. He should have practiced more.

411 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:14:49am

re: #407 researchok

The allroad morphed into the A6

it always was an A6!

412 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:15:38am

re: #410 RogueOne

His lip syncing is awful. He should have practiced more.

Millie Vanilli was his coach

413 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:15:58am

re: #407 researchok

My dream wagon would be an Audi Allroad with the engine from the RS4, holy hell that would be tasty

414 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:16:40am

re: #413 WindUpBird

My dream wagon would be an Audi Allroad with the engine from the RS4, holy hell that would be tasty

Dream on

415 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:17:29am

re: #414 researchok

Dream on

hahah i know rite?

And I can get 400hp for less than i paid for my VW, so really what's the use ^_^

416 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:20:56am

whoa WTF texas [Link: jalopnik.com...]

monster truck drunk driving, jeeeeminney

417 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:21:06am

I might get a little misty eyed.

418 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:21:41am
419 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:22:32am

re: #416 WindUpBird

whoa WTF texas [Link: jalopnik.com...]

monster truck drunk driving, jeeeminney

Must be from Spokane.
/

420 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:23:45am

re: #419 researchok

oh God, there's so many of those in eastern washington

I like normal offroad vehicles, but those lifted douche trucks should be illegal

421 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:24:41am

re: #420 WindUpBird

oh God, there's so many of those in eastern washington

I like normal offroad vehicles, but those lifted douche trucks should be illegal

Anyone with a cage fighting sticker on the back of a truck needs to be dragged out and beaten.

422 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:25:50am

re: #421 RogueOne

I don't even know what that is, is that like the ultimate fighting, K1 stuff?

423 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:25:50am

Shouldn't it be over now? Once you do the vows it's time to move on.

424 freetoken  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:26:10am

The brother seems to know his lines well.

425 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:27:22am

re: #422 WindUpBird

Yeah. I always see fat guys in big trucks with MMA/UFC stickers across their back windows.

426 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:30:12am

re: #425 RogueOne

Yeah. I always see fat guys in big trucks with MMA/UFC stickers across their back windows.

uhhhh-h-h-h-h-h-h :(

we have those guys in oregon, but they're in the suburbs, those trucks are extremely difficult to drive on Portland streets, because people park on the street

427 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:43:41am

ooh-kay!
Who else is up for the wedding, besides me?

428 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:45:42am

re: #427 reine.de.tout

ooh-kay!
Who else is up for the wedding, besides me?

You have a lot of hat jokes to catch up on.
/

429 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:50:41am

Best news this week:

[Link: www.indystar.com...]


The Indianapolis Colts have selected Anthony Castonzo of Boston College in the first round of the NFL draft.

Indy took the 6-foot-7, 311-pound tackle with the 22nd overall pick.

He's huge and it's another rhodes scholar on the roster.

430 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:54:51am

re: #428 Varek Raith

You have a lot of hat jokes to catch up on.
/

A friend of mine is hatblogging! Just focusing on nothing but the crazy hats, the priests hat, everyone with zany hats

431 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:55:44am

re: #427 reine.de.tout

ooh-kay!
Who else is up for the wedding, besides me?

I'm just listening to internet podcasts and working *_*

I desperately want to see the hats (I occasionaly favor flamboyant hats!) but I'll go see them on a blog ^_^

432 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:56:44am

re: #431 WindUpBird

I'm seriously digging the one hat that looks like an antler rack.

433 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:56:49am

re: #431 WindUpBird

I'm just listening to internet podcasts and working *_*

I desperately want to see the hats (I occasionaly favor flamboyant hats!) but I'll go see them on a blog ^_^

The hats are great.
Photos will be available (are already, in fact!)

434 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:59:03am

re: #421 RogueOne

Anyone with a cage fighting sticker on the back of a truck needs to be dragged out and beaten.

and then pinned for a three count :D No! His leg is on the ropes! The Hulkster's still in it!


and then handcuffed to the turnbuckle but OH MAN MEAN GENE DID YOU SEE THAT? HE BROKE THE HANDCUFFS!

That's right, jesse! it's a pier six brawl up there! For the intercontinental belt


I used to be the biggest WWF fan as a kid, loved it

435 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:00:19am

re: #433 reine.de.tout

The hats are great.
Photos will be available (are already, in fact!)

if you have a good link to a bunch, I'm serious, i want to use them for art reference

I have a project going on where I need some ideas for a far future aristoracy, for their fashion. like british royalty but on a space station. they need HATS!

436 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:01:56am

The Olympic rings hat was my favorite.

Worm by one of Fergie's kids, I believe.

437 freetoken  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:04:10am

The society blowhard CBS has advising Couric just lied. He said that Prince William (with the rest of the party), while back in the shrine of Edward the Confessor, was surrounded by his (William's) ancestors.

But.... William is of the House of Windsor, and William's ancestors from the time of Edward the Confessor are in... Germany (though of course the royal families are interbred all through Europe so yes he probably has some ancestry there.) And, the Prince Phillip is himself from mixed lineage that ruled over various nations in Europe. So it is unlikely that William's Y chromosome has anything to do with Edward the Confessor and so on.

It just struck me as a bit of historical revisionism.

438 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:05:32am

re: #437 freetoken

The society blowhard CBS has advising Couric just lied. He said that Prince William (with the rest of the party), while back in the shrine of Edward the Confessor, was surrounded by his (William's) ancestors.

But... William is of the House of Windsor, and William's ancestors from the time of Edward the Confessor are in... Germany (though of course the royal families are interbred all through Europe so yes he probably has some ancestry there.) And, the Prince Phillip is himself from mixed lineage that ruled over various nations in Europe. So it is unlikely that William's Y chromosome has anything to do with Edward the Confessor and so on.

It just struck me as a bit of historical revisionism.

Philip was Greek, if I'm not mistaken

439 freetoken  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:06:27am

re: #438 researchok

Philip was Greek, if I'm not mistaken

Among other things.

440 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:07:42am

re: #439 freetoken

Among other things.

All the Royal Houses in Europe, as you say are intertwined.

The Mountbattens used to be the Battenbergs (German)

441 freetoken  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:08:33am

re: #440 researchok

The Mountbattens used to be the Battenbergs (German)

Changed names because of the War, I think.

442 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:08:43am

re: #437 freetoken

it's all so bizarre and arbitrary :D But hats!

443 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:08:48am

re: #441 freetoken

Changed names because of the War, I think.

Yup

444 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:10:09am

Louis Mountbatten was a real Renaissance man.

445 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:13:12am

The african american horse rider is from NYC!

446 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:13:36am

re: #445 Shropshire_Slasher

The african american horse rider is from NYC!

Really?

447 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:14:19am

re: #446 researchok

It was in the NY Post yesterday.

448 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:14:50am

re: #447 Shropshire_Slasher

It was in the NY Post yesterday.

Very cool

449 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:15:57am

Later gators.

450 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:17:11am

I hope this is the link to NY Post article
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

451 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:19:09am

My dog is giving the tv what-for. She hates horses.

452 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:21:02am

re: #435 WindUpBird

if you have a good link to a bunch, I'm serious, i want to use them for art reference

I have a project going on where I need some ideas for a far future aristoracy, for their fashion. like british royalty but on a space station. they need HATS!

I'll keep an eye out.

453 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:21:15am

So I'm not watching the wedding. There will be time enough for that later. I've been busy laughing at winger fail, like so:

Image: mathislol.png

They'll cling to anything to make Obama illegitimate.

454 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:22:05am

re: #452 reine.de.tout

I'll keep an eye out.

thanks so much! ^_^

455 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:22:11am

re: #453 Lidane

So I'm not watching the wedding. There will be time enough for that later. I've been busy laughing at winger fail, like so:

Image: mathislol.png

They'll cling to anything to make Obama illegitimate.

They are irrelevant morons.

456 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:23:09am

Beautiful horses

457 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:24:34am

That's a driveway.

458 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:25:49am

I wonder if Buckingham Palace has central vac.

459 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:25:56am

re: #455 researchok

They are irrelevant morons.

Morons? Yes. Racists? Absolutely. Irrelevant? Only in the GOP's dreams.

They've been discredited on the long form birth certificate, so now the argument has changed, and they're still going full steam ahead.

460 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:27:30am

re: #459 Lidane

Morons? Yes. Racists? Absolutely. Irrelevant? Only in the GOP's dreams.

They've been discredited on the long form birth certificate, so now the argument has changed, and they're still going full steam ahead.

As far as I am concerned, they are morons- and becoming more marginalized by the day.

A lot like Code Pink.

Noisy, but irrelevant

461 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:35:22am

re: #460 researchok

As far as I am concerned, they are morons- and becoming more marginalized by the day.

A lot like Code Pink.

Noisy, but irrelevant

Except that Code Pink never had anyone leading in the Democratic presidential polls, and none of the leading Democrats angling to run against Dubya ever pandered to them.

As much as some on the right would love to marginalize the birthers forever, they've got a very loud, obnoxious voice and he's the current GOP front-runner. They've got a TV network actively feeding their paranoia, even after the long-form has come out. There are talk radio hosts and bloggers all over the right wing that are still fanning the flames, only they're now expanding their conspiracy to include Obama's education and a debate over "natural born" vs. "native born".

Sorry, but no. They're a big problem, and one that the GOP encouraged for three years.

462 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:36:26am

re: #453 Lidane

I am right now, listening to Phil hendrie destroy a birther using one of his characters, it was the most satisfying radio segment I've herad in monthsre: #460 researchok

As far as I am concerned, they are morons- and becoming more marginalized by the day.

A lot like Code Pink.

Noisy, but irrelevant


I still think they're not irrelevant. I believe they're still quite dangerous. Code pink never had enough people to influence an election for Senate. TP does

463 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:37:03am

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you! At all the Royal Wedding fashion FAILs. Princess Eugenie? Gah.

464 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:37:49am

re: #461 Lidane

Except that Code Pink never had anyone leading in the Democratic presidential polls, and none of the leading Democrats angling to run against Dubya ever pandered to them.

As much as some on the right would love to marginalize the birthers forever, they've got a very loud, obnoxious voice and he's the current GOP front-runner. They've got a TV network actively feeding their paranoia, even after the long-form has come out. There are talk radio hosts and bloggers all over the right wing that are still fanning the flames, only they're now expanding their conspiracy to include Obama's education and a debate over "natural born" vs. "native born".

Sorry, but no. They're a big problem, and one that the GOP encouraged for three years.

I just don't see it that way at all.

Just my opinion.

465 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:38:11am

re: #463 Alouette

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you! At all the Royal Wedding fashion FAILs. Princess Eugenie? Gah.

yeah, but royalty gets to do whatever they want :D zany hats? DOING IT

466 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:38:56am

re: #462 WindUpBird

I am right now, listening to Phil hendrie destroy a birther using one of his characters, it was the most satisfying radio segment I've herad in monthsre: #460 researchok


I still think they're not irrelevant. I believe they're still quite dangerous. Code pink never had enough people to influence an election for Senate. TP does

Not all TP are birthers.

Birthers are a group unto themselves.

467 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:39:30am

re: #464 researchok

I just don't see it that way at all.

Just my opinion.

And that's fine. But until Trump stops being the GOP front runner, it's a denial of reality.

468 freetoken  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:40:47am

re: #463 Alouette

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you! At all the Royal Wedding fashion FAILs. Princess Eugenie? Gah.

Was she the one wearing the hat that looked like a character from an opera about high priestess of pagan religions?

469 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:41:02am

I'm disappointed in Kate's dress.

470 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:41:35am

re: #464 researchok

I just don't see it that way at all.

Just my opinion.

sharron Angle!

Seriously, Code Pink is TINY and unknown mainstream

You're a poli junkie like me, and very pro-israel, so you'll know abotu Code Pink.

i could go down the list of my local friends, few of whom are jewish, only the political junkies will even know what Code Pink IS.

I remember a friend of mine thought I was referring to a gay group! Code Pink is only important to a very small group

The Tea Party is on the lips of everyone, i don't understand how you can say that Code Pink has equal influence to the tea Party, because Code Pink is not anything that is being covered by the MSM.

When's the last time you heard "Code Pink" in the news? if it ain't in the news every day, it's nothing compared to the Tea Party

471 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:41:37am

re: #467 Lidane

And that's fine. But until Trump stops being the GOP front runner, it's a denial of reality.

The longer Trump stays in the race, the more marginalized he becomes.

I'm glad he's running- he'll help marginalize all the whack jobs even further.

472 mdey  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:41:57am

re: #461 Lidane

There is about 5 members of Code Pink, and the only shows I ever see them appearing on are The O'Reilly Factor and Hannity. It seems that all the liberals want nothing to do with them.

473 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:42:51am

re: #468 freetoken

Was she the one wearing the hat that looked like a character from an opera about high priestess of pagan religions?

Princess Eugenie.

474 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:42:56am

re: #469 Alouette

I'm disappointed in Kate's dress.

I just saw photos of it. It's hard for me to decide if I like it or not since the photos are awkwardly placed.

475 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:43:42am

re: #466 researchok

Not all TP are birthers.

Birthers are a group unto themselves.

I agree

Not all are, but a birther who is politically GOP and extreme, will likely be a TPer. the TP is a know-nothing group, and birthers are those kinda people They overlap a lot. The Venn Diagrams of them have a lot in the middle!


I dunno, we can chew on whether the TP is big or tiny, influential or not, it's ground tread so often here that it's worn a groove through the floor

476 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:43:52am

re: #471 researchok

The longer Trump stays in the race, the more marginalized he becomes.

Who knew that being the front-runner in the polls meant that you were marginalized?

I learned something new today.

477 freetoken  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:44:00am

re: #473 Alouette

I thought she was the other one. Easy to mix up sisters.

478 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:44:34am

re: #472 mdey

There is about 5 members of Code Pink, and the only shows I ever see them appearing on are The O'Reilly Factor and Hannity. It seems that all the liberals want nothing to do with them.

Code Pink are like the New Black Panthers, they're useful idiots

it's like having Pam Geller on, it's farce

479 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:45:00am

re: #476 Lidane

Who knew that being the front-runner in the polls meant that you were marginalized?

I learned something new today.

yeah :D


he's by no means marginalized, he's trolling the field

And people want what he has to say!

480 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:45:12am

re: #465 WindUpBird

yeah, but royalty gets to do whatever they want :D zany hats? DOING IT

There are a lot of unfortunate hats. Oh dear.

481 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:45:27am

re: #473 Alouette

ergh, don't like that outfit, ick

482 sagehen  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:45:28am

re: #469 Alouette

I'm disappointed in Kate's dress.

oh thank god, I didn't want to be the first one to say it.

483 Sionainn  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:45:35am

re: #477 freetoken

I thought she was the other one. Easy to mix up sisters.

Ugh! Do they specifically ask for the ugliest hats?

484 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:45:46am

re: #470 WindUpBird

sharron Angle!

Seriously, Code Pink is TINY and unknown mainstream

You're a poli junkie like me, and very pro-israel, so you'll know abotu Code Pink.

i could go down the list of my local friends, few of whom are jewish, only the political junkies will even know what Code Pink IS.

I remember a friend of mine thought I was referring to a gay group! Code Pink is only important to a very small group

The Tea Party is on the lips of everyone, i don't understand how you can say that Code Pink has equal influence to the tea Party, because Code Pink is not anything that is being covered by the MSM.

When's the last time you heard "Code Pink" in the news? if it ain't in the news every day, it's nothing compared to the Tea Party

I'll tell you, WUB, I really believe the TP has peaked.

As for CP, I thought they were small but noisy. Turns out they had 250 plus chapters!

From where I sit, the birther fools are doing more to kill the TP than all the bad publicity combines.

The more Pam Geller blogs, the happier I am.

I'm pretty mainstream, center right. No one in my circle will have anything to do with the TP or birthers,

And my circle here is pretty wide.

485 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:45:48am

re: #480 Lidane

There are a lot of unfortunate hats. Oh dear.

some look cool! I love crazy hats :D

I can be catty about fashion hahaha

486 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:46:10am

re: #484 researchok

I think they've peaked, but I think they're sticking around

487 Sionainn  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:46:16am

re: #469 Alouette

I'm disappointed in Kate's dress.

From the little I saw, I feeling a bit the same way.

488 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:46:40am

re: #477 freetoken

I thought she was the other one. Easy to mix up sisters.

That's Beatrice wearing the beige lawn ornament on her head.

489 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:46:59am

re: #458 researchok

I wonder if Buckingham Palace has central vac.

Or lots and lots and lots of people to clean.

490 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:47:12am

re: #475 WindUpBird

I agree

Not all are, but a birther who is politically GOP and extreme, will likely be a TPer. the TP is a know-nothing group, and birthers are those kinda people They overlap a lot. The Venn Diagrams of them have a lot in the middle!

I dunno, we can chew on whether the TP is big or tiny, influential or not, it's ground tread so often here that it's worn a groove through the floor

Absolutely true, what you say.

I'm more interested to see how long it will take for the TP to implode. That's the real show.

491 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:47:31am

re: #463 Alouette

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you! At all the Royal Wedding fashion FAILs. Princess Eugenie? Gah.

Not one bit of style or class in that one.

492 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:47:50am

re: #488 Alouette

That's Beatrice wearing the beige lawn ornament on her head.

And a little too much eye makeup.

493 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:47:50am

re: #484 researchok

I'll tell you, WUB, I really believe the TP has peaked.

Not as long as the GOP keeps pandering to them, no. Still, I have to admire your optimism.

As for CP, I thought they were small but noisy. Turns out they had 250 plus chapters!

Yeah, with about 5-10 people in each chapter. Real influential group there.

494 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:49:06am

re: #484 researchok

250 chapters of how many people each, though? if it's just people in a kitchen that constitute a chapter, how powerful could they be? if their chapters are just costumes and and sillines,s if they don't do much, then they could have a million chapters

A car on blocks goes nowhere, regardless of what engine is under the hood.

I want hard facts on CP. How many people, which senators and house members pander to them, and could they influence a senator's vote

I will say this: mainstream creepy evangelicals are way more scary to me than the TP. the Tp are not that organized. it's impotent anger. But it's a brand, and it gets on the news. But Evangelicals of the crazy theocrat sort are plugged in and have unreal amounts of influence

495 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:49:36am

re: #488 Alouette

okay, the lawn ornament is ludicrous

that's not even a hat, it's like a magic mirror

496 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:49:53am

re: #493 Lidane

Not as long as the GOP keeps pandering to them, no. Still, I have to admire your optimism.

Yeah, with about 5-10 people in each chapter. Real influential group there.

They made thej nightly news, didn't they? And Cindy Sheehan was front page for months, with all kinds of support.

In any event, I do believe Trump did the GOP a favor. In one fell swoop he helped emasculate the birthers and by extension a certain hard core portion of the TP

497 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:49:54am

Do not like the see-through lace sleeves at all. Just looks horribly Texas prom. Opaque sleeves would have had so much more class.

498 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:49:56am

re: #493 Lidane

Not as long as the GOP keeps pandering to them, no. Still, I have to admire your optimism.

Yeah, with about 5-10 people in each chapter. Real influential group there.

that's what i thought!

499 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:50:35am

re: #469 Alouette

I'm disappointed in Kate's dress.

I liked it. Understated is generally good in my book. That's hard to do when talking about a "royal" wedding.

500 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:50:39am

re: #496 researchok

They made thej nightly news, didn't they? And Cindy Sheehan was front page for months, with all kinds of support.

In any event, I do believe Trump did the GOP a favor. In one fell swoop he helped emasculate the birthers and by extension a certain hard core portion of the TP

WAS!

There WAS a time when Sheehan was front page. Sheehan is clownshoes now, she's as dated as the terri Schiavo case

501 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:50:41am

re: #495 WindUpBird

okay, the lawn ornament is ludicrous

that's not even a hat, it's like a magic mirror

I see Bobby, Timmy, Ronnie, Percy.., and Agnes

502 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:51:41am

re: #496 researchok

if you wnat to make the argument that Sheehan is as potent as the TP in their primes, then sure I guess!

But now, Sheehan has very little pull int he news, her stunts dont make the front page, that was Bush admin stuff

the fervor is gone, nobody cares

503 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:51:47am

re: #500 WindUpBird

WAS!

There WAS a time when Sheehan was front page. Sheehan is clownshoes now, she's as dated as the terri Schiavo case

Exactly my point.

The TP morons and the birther morons will go the way of Ross Perot supporters.

Downdatoilet

504 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:51:56am

re: #502 WindUpBird

ugh typos

tired *_*

505 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:52:09am

re: #477 freetoken

I thought she was the other one. Easy to mix up sisters.

I LOVE that hat.

506 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:52:43am

re: #502 WindUpBird

if you wnat to make the argument that Sheehan is as potent as the TP in their primes, then sure I guess!

But now, Sheehan has very little pull int he news, her stunts dont make the front page, that was Bush admin stuff

the fervor is gone, nobody cares

Yup, she's toast- and in many ways, did it to herself!

Like the TP and birther fools she kept getting more extreme.

507 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:52:52am

re: #503 researchok

The TP morons and the birther morons will go the way of Ross Perot supporters.

The TP/birther crowd ARE Ross Perot's supporters. Same incoherent populism, same know-nothing, knee jerk bullshit. It's the same people with a different name.

508 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:52:58am

re: #504 WindUpBird

ugh typos

tired *_*

Welcome to my world.

509 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:53:34am

re: #503 researchok

Exactly my point.

The TP morons and the birther morons will go the way of Ross Perot supporters.

Downdatoilet

Eventually, yes!

But right now, they still got some pull. Who cares about Code Pink today, right now? Not many. But the Tp stuff gets a lot of airplay every day. Every spin of the dial when i'm in my car, someone on an AM stick in PDX is talking aboutt he tea Party, or advancing their talking points and attitude

they're like a specific chunk of the GOp base, who has their own brand now. They're not LGf republicans, they're a specific angry paranoid thing.

510 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:53:36am

re: #503 researchok

Exactly my point.

The TP morons and the birther morons will go the way of Ross Perot supporters.

Downdatoilet

Until the spending issue is dealt with the Tea Party isn't going anywhere.

511 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:53:38am
512 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:54:35am

WUB, here's a hat gallery.

More up later, I'll bet.

513 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:54:41am

re: #497 Alouette

Do not like the see-through lace sleeves at all. Just looks horribly Texas prom. Opaque sleeves would have had so much more class.

I'm wondering if the see-through lace sleeves were a concession to some sort of royal requirement that a bride have sleeves or be covered up somehow. It looks like something that wasn't part of the original design, but was added for modesty's sake.

514 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:54:45am

re: #507 Lidane

The TP/birther crowd ARE Ross Perot's supporters. Same incoherent populism, same know-nothing, knee jerk bullshit. It's the same people with a different name.

And where did the Perot populism end up? In the dust.

I have real issues with the GOP- I'm furious at them for pandering to the religious right, etc.

As noted, I do believe the TP will wash out- and good riddance.

515 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:54:45am

re: #506 researchok

Yup, she's toast- and in many ways, did it to herself!

Like the TP and birther fools she kept getting more extreme.

agreed 100%

it's funny, i would have been a Sheehan supporter for the anti war message, but she's just so irritating and ugh, even in 2003 wwhen I was all mister rage about Iraq, I didn't like her

it was the speaking voice, it's like agonizing to listen to *SHUDDER*

516 laZardo  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:54:51am

I continue to follow the Chris Rock line of thought when it comes to the Tea Party.

SR: Like many nice Caucasians, I cried the night Barack Obama was elected. It was one of the high points in American history. And all that's happened since the election is just a shitstorm of hatred. You want to weigh in on that?

CR: I actually like it, in the sense that — you got kids? Kids always act up the most before they go to sleep. And when I see the Tea Party and all this stuff, it actually feels like racism's almost over. Because this is the last — this is the act up before the sleep. They're going crazy. They're insane. You want to get rid of them — and the next thing you know, they're fucking knocked out. And that's what's going on in the country right now.

Read more: [Link: www.esquire.com...]

517 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:54:52am

re: #512 reine.de.tout

THANK YA!

518 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:55:22am

the grey/black lopsided hat is so Fifth Element

EXACTLy what I'm looking for

519 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:55:59am

re: #516 laZardo

I cried when he was elected, it was on Jon Stewart, and both him and Colbert were crying too, it was just a snowball, I was all weepy ^_^;;

520 laZardo  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:56:55am

re: #519 WindUpBird

I cried when he was elected, it was on Jon Stewart, and both him and Colbert were crying too, it was just a snowball, I was all weepy ^_^;;

I voted McCain.

YES, I AM STILL REGRETTING IT TO THIS DAY. ;_;

521 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:57:08am

re: #509 WindUpBird

Eventually, yes!

But right now, they still got some pull. Who cares about Code Pink today, right now? Not many. But the Tp stuff gets a lot of airplay every day. Every spin of the dial when i'm in my car, someone on an AM stick in PDX is talking aboutt he tea Party, or advancing their talking points and attitude

they're like a specific chunk of the GOp base, who has their own brand now. They're not LGf republicans, they're a specific angry paranoid thing.

WUB, I believe they have peaked and peaked early.

Even the candidates they backed are beginning to understand that substance in governance trumps slogans

Like CP, I believe the TP is becoming more hot air than substance.

If I'm wrong, I'll stay home before I vote for a candidate who panders to the TP

522 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:57:38am

re: #513 Lidane

I'm wondering if the see-through lace sleeves were a concession to some sort of royal requirement that a bride have sleeves or be covered up somehow. It looks like something that wasn't part of the original design, but was added for modesty's sake.

This is what a wedding gown with class looks like.

523 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:58:04am

re: #516 laZardo

I don't share Rock's optimism

Racism ain't going away, it's just going to be pushed more undergroundre: #510 RogueOne

Until the spending issue is dealt with the Tea Party isn't going anywhere.

or the perception of it

They're angry small guv populists. There's a lot of America that feels that way. it may go away as a brand, but those people are that! They're not going to suddenly make more sense

524 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:58:39am

re: #515 WindUpBird

agreed 100%

it's funny, i would have been a Sheehan supporter for the anti war message, but she's just so irritating and ugh, even in 2003 wwhen I was all mister rage about Iraq, I didn't like her

it was the speaking voice, it's like agonizing to listen to *SHUDDER*

The TP are going down her path, thank goodness.

525 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:59:40am

re: #522 Alouette

that's good

I like gothic and wild though, not texas prom, but more medieval/edwardian, witchy, poofy sleeves, overbust corset lines


I'm totally the stereotype, heh

526 mdey  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:59:53am

re: #507 Lidane

I'm going to disagree with you on that one. I had some Perot supporters in my family tree, for a while anyway. They weren't teabaggers.

527 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:00:03am

Alright, I'm outta here for now.

When WUB and I agree more than once, it's time t go
//

Later, all

528 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:00:16am

re: #524 researchok

The TP are going down her path, thank goodness.

We'll see in 2012, that'll be when you see them try and push the brand, for th Big Election

529 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:00:45am

re: #514 researchok

And where did the Perot populism end up? In the dust.

Sure. But the TP movement has made real strides in the last few years. Just look at how they worked the primary system during the last election cycle, and the influence they still have now.

Perot's campaign was personal, since he absolutely hated Bush Sr. Once Bush Sr. was out of office, Perot lost interest and moved on with his life. The TP movement, on the other hand, has had Fox News and the right wing howler monkeys on the radio and internet perpetuating their cause for three years now. They're not going anywhere anytime soon.

I have real issues with the GOP- I'm furious at them for pandering to the religious right, etc.

They've been doing that for the last 40 years. If you've voted GOP at any time since then you've given your approval to that pandering. It's as simple as that.

As noted, I do believe the TP will wash out- and good riddance.

Not anytime soon, though. Keep dreaming. They're going to have a part to play in 2012, whether you like it or not.

530 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:01:30am

re: #526 mdey

I'm going to disagree with you on that one. I had some Perot supporters in my family tree, for a while anyway. They weren't teabaggers.

I knew a couple older people who were perot supporters, friends of my dad, they were lawyers, not TP at all

They simply didn't want to vote for HW or Clinton

531 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:01:53am

re: #527 researchok

hey, we agreed on your TG article! ^^

532 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:02:12am

re: #513 Lidane

I'm wondering if the see-through lace sleeves were a concession to some sort of royal requirement that a bride have sleeves or be covered up somehow. It looks like something that wasn't part of the original design, but was added for modesty's sake.

Yeah, I think there is some requirement for sleeves in that church.

533 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:03:05am

re: #532 reine.de.tout

like it's a uniform? i didn't know churches did that

clearly they have a dress code, didn't know there were fashion codes that were "built in" with a church

534 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:03:41am

re: #510 RogueOne

Until the spending issue is dealt with the Tea Party isn't going anywhere.

Until they get a basic grasp of economics the Tea Party isn't going anywhere.

535 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:04:56am

re: #534 Obdicut

I can respect a principled stand against spending

the Tp isn't principled, it's reactionary, it's just anger and no education, because what they want makes no sense


the debt ceiling being the best example

536 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:05:22am

re: #528 WindUpBird

We'll see in 2012, that'll be when you see them try and push the brand, for th Big Election

The TP footsoldiers have always been here, and always will be in some proportion. Their new technology and new organizational effort has just given them passing popularity. There are different uniforms, but it is the same everlasting battle.

537 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:05:42am

Can't watch weddings. Gives me flashback nightmares.

538 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:06:01am

This looks like she put her dress on inside-out. Weird.


And I love this hat.

539 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:06:07am

re: #525 WindUpBird

that's good

I like gothic and wild though, not texas prom, but more medieval/edwardian, witchy, poofy sleeves, overbust corset lines

I'm totally the stereotype, heh

My oldest daughter's wedding gown was like that. She had a Hungarian wedding planner.

My other daughters, and my daughters-in-law, are no-frills, sleek lines girls.

540 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:06:19am

re: #535 WindUpBird

I can respect a principled stand against spending

I can't, really, because most of the time it ignores the actual consequences of cutting that spending. There's no honest examination of whether cutting the spending will actually save money in the long run.

541 mdey  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:06:30am

re: #530 WindUpBird

Exactly, A lot of people thought that GHWB was just too privvyish, and Clinton was just to hippyish.

542 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:07:01am

re: #538 reine.de.tout

I love a woman in a hat, btw.

543 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:07:10am

re: #533 WindUpBird

like it's a uniform? i didn't know churches did that

clearly they have a dress code, didn't know there were fashion codes that were "built in" with a church

There are some churches that require sleeves, even in wedding dresses.

544 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:08:34am

On a darker note:


Hungary’s Rising Right: Roma Defenseless against Extremist Vigilantes

Europe's treatment of the Roma has reached absolutely despicable levels. Every member of the EU ought to be ashamed. This is exactly what was done the Jews in Europe for so many centuries; just because the Roma have been more effectively marginalized and have less of a political voice, European nations use them as a punching bag, a bogeyman, and a convienent scapegoat.

Assholes.

545 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:08:47am

re: #543 reine.de.tout

There are some churches that require sleeves, even in wedding dresses.

'No skirt, no kleenex, no service."

546 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:09:06am

re: #541 mdey

Exactly, A lot of people thought that GHWB was just too privvyish, and Clinton was just to hippyish.

Sure. But there were plenty of people who watched Perot's half-hour commercials on TV with all his pie charts and graphs and thought he was an economic guru. Those people are now teabaggers.

Same ignorant, knee jerk populism and political know-nothingism.

547 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:09:19am

re: #540 Obdicut

I can't, really, because most of the time it ignores the actual consequences of cutting that spending. There's no honest examination of whether cutting the spending will actually save money in the long run.

let me put it this way: i don't think it's insane :D Whereas the Tp just makes no sense

548 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:09:58am

re: #542 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I love a woman in a hat, btw.

I like hats. My daughter looks fabulous in any hat she puts on.
I, on the other had, look completely stupid in any hat I've ever put on.

549 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:12:10am

re: #548 reine.de.tout

I think that's a projection. I think you'd look lovely.

When my wife puts on a hat... hubba...

550 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:15:18am

Trending on Twitter-- QILF.

Heh.

551 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:15:27am

re: #548 reine.de.tout

I like hats. My daughter looks fabulous in any hat she puts on.
I, on the other had, look completely stupid in any hat I've ever put on.

I used to have a fabulous hat collection. I especially loved the big floppy brim straw hats.

One day I was walking home from services, it was a rainy day, and a big gust of wind blew off my hat and my wig which was attached to it, and then it rolled down the street like a frisbee.

I managed to retrieve it, but the hat was soaked and muddy and my wig looked like roadkill.

552 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:16:25am

I only wear cloche style hats now.

553 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:16:34am

re: #551 Alouette

I don't own any hats. Never been able to find one I like.

554 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:16:38am

re: #548 reine.de.tout

I can sorta rock the top hat and do a Jack the Ripper skinny-weirdo in a top hat thing

but it's not really my thing ^^

555 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:17:24am

re: #543 reine.de.tout

There are some churches that require sleeves, even in wedding dresses.

Let's talk about something important. How do you feel about Mark Ingram replacing Reggie Bush on the Saints?

556 mdey  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:18:00am

re: #546 Lidane

I was a simple college kid back then, and I didn't fall for that shit. The charts didn't work with Perot back then, and the even crazier Ryan charts scare the hell out of everyone I know now.

557 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:18:59am

re: #554 WindUpBird

Dick Van Dyke as Jack The Ripper, "In Mary Poppins II, The Cleansing".

558 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:19:21am

re: #549 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Don't make me get the hose out...

559 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:19:46am

re: #556 mdey

I was a simple college kid back then, and I didn't fall for that shit. The charts didn't work with Perot back then, and the even crazier Ryan charts scare the hell out of everyone I know now.

Unfortunately, the Ryan charts have convinced people to compare him to FDR. Just look at NRO. They love his numbers. WTF?

And yeah. I was 19 when Perot was out there selling his charts and graphs and I knew he was full of shit. Unfortunately, a lot of people believed him then, and still would believe him now.

560 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:20:22am

re: #546 Lidane

Sure. But there were plenty of people who watched Perot's half-hour commercials on TV with all his pie charts and graphs and thought he was an economic guru. Those people are now teabaggers.

Same ignorant, knee jerk populism and political know-nothingism.

I worked at GM at the time that EDS took over their entire IT department and then screwed over all the GM IT workers by taking away their seniority. At one point they considered joining the UAW.

561 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:22:40am

re: #534 Obdicut

Until they get a basic grasp of economics the Tea Party isn't going anywhere.

It's pretty easy to understand....if you continue spending money you don't have you go broke. No algebra needed.

562 mdey  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:22:59am

re: #559 Lidane

I just hope the "sane" media keep pushing the craziness of Ryan's ideas.

563 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:24:06am

re: #555 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Let's talk about something important. How do you feel about Mark Ingram replacing Reggie Bush on the Saints?

The colts got lucky with their pick last night. 6'-7", 311 lbs and still growing.

564 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:24:48am

re: #561 RogueOne

It's pretty easy to understand...if you continue spending money you don't have you go broke. No algebra needed.

Even simpler algebra -- bring more money in while cutting your expenses in order to bolster your financial position. Not that hard to understand, either.

565 AK-47%  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:25:05am

re: #534 Obdicut

Until they get a basic grasp of economics the Tea Party isn't going anywhere.


Until they get a basic grasp of reality the Tea Party isn't going anywhere.

They believe the represent a groundswell of public support and opinion, they believe in the purity of their ideology and they believe in an America that never existed and never will.

566 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:25:20am

re: #561 RogueOne

It's pretty easy to understand...if you continue spending money you don't have you go broke. No algebra needed.

well sure, but the TP makes that into a thing about the debt ceiling

which is just bizarre and insane

567 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:27:28am

re: #561 RogueOne

It's pretty easy to understand...if you continue spending money you don't have you go broke. No algebra needed.

Sure. And if you stupidly cut back spending in areas where spending that money is actually costing less than not spending it, then you go broke faster.

That's the part so many people struggle with. I don't know why. It's pretty goddamn simple.

568 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:27:31am

re: #566 WindUpBird

well sure, but the TP makes that into a thing about the debt ceiling

which is just bizarre and insane

I didn't like it when it happened under bush (continually raising the ceiling without cutting costs) and I'm not going to like it when/if they do it this summer.

569 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:27:33am

re: #561 RogueOne

It's pretty easy to understand...if you continue spending money you don't have you go broke. No algebra needed.

Also, firts place we need to cut: pentagon! war bloat is the easiest thing to cut, but it;s all pork, and that's our state system, so it'll never happen

570 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:28:07am

The royal couple is out on the balcony, look at the sea of people!

571 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:28:31am

re: #568 RogueOne

I didn't like it when it happened under bush (continually raising the ceiling without cutting costs) and I'm not going to like it when/if they do it this summer.

if we don't raise it though, it'll cost us money, it won't save us money

it does exactly the opposite

That's why it's insane

572 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:28:38am

re: #560 Alouette

I worked at GM at the time that EDS took over their entire IT department and then screwed over all the GM IT workers by taking away their seniority. At one point they considered joining the UAW.

Gah, I hate EDS. They run Medicare payments in Wisconsin. They refuse to allow direct deposit of my wife's payroll - all Medicare providers are paid by check - so that they get two to four days of interest float. That privatization rip off of State and Federal taxpayers was given to them by then governor Tommy Thompson. Why, yes, he was a Republican. How did you guess?

573 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:29:58am

re: #567 Obdicut

Sure. And if you stupidly cut back spending in areas where spending that money is actually costing less than not spending it, then you go broke faster.

That's the part so many people struggle with. I don't know why. It's pretty goddamn simple.

it's sabotage


i don't believe the TP is about "cutting spending" at all, it's about government sabotage. it's about starve the beast, it's Norquist.

'cutting spending' in areas we can, like war bloat. great1 But again, we'll never do that

they're not responsible, they don't make sense, they don't have a handle ont he complexities of it, they're just angrily lashing out

574 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:30:17am

re: #564 Lidane

Even simpler algebra -- bring more money in while cutting your expenses in order to bolster your financial position. Not that hard to understand, either.

One of the minor pols told it honestly a few months ago (to paraphrase): "If a deficit cure doesn't include cuts to Defense and Medicare, and a tax increase, it's just BS."

575 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:30:45am

Lancaster bomber, howker hurricane, and spitfire?

576 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:31:35am

re: #572 wlewisiii

Gah, I hate EDS. They run Medicare payments in Wisconsin. They refuse to allow direct deposit of my wife's payroll - all Medicare providers are paid by check - so that they get two to four days of interest float. That privatization rip off of State and Federal taxpayers was given to them by then governor Tommy Thompson. Why, yes, he was a Republican. How did you guess?

EDS utterly sucks. They treat their workers like shit. I think the reason the GM IT staff didn't join the UAW was because if they did, EDS would have fired everybody and replaced them with kids straight out of college.

577 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:33:13am

re: #571 WindUpBird

The whole point of the debt ceiling was to keep congressional spending under control. If they just raise the limit every time they hit it then it's useless. It's a bit like "outlawing" water boarding by proclamation "We'll never, ever do it... unless we really need to"

578 mdey  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:33:28am

re: #564 Lidane

That's the thing I don't understand. Boehner, Cantor, and McConnell say we don't have a revenue problem? We have a 1.6 trillion dollar deficit. Obviously we have a revenue problem.

579 AK-47%  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:34:01am

re: #575 Shropshire_Slasher

Lancaster bomber, howker hurricane, and spitfire?


Just to remind the Germans in case they get any ideas again...

580 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:34:13am

re: #574 Decatur Deb

One of the minor pols told it honestly a few months ago (to paraphrase): "If a deficit cure doesn't include cuts to Defense and Medicare, and a tax increase, it's just BS."

medicare could be made more efficient if Republicans were honest brokers about what's happened to health care, and the giant horrible mess it is in the USA

But instead of going with Obama on a plan Republicans used to support, like Romney?

they just went crazy and lied through their teeth and threw fits and staged fake astroturf town halls and stunts and went all freedomworks and socialism and so on and so forth


the reason i can never vote Republican now is health care, I feel like every vote empowers that behavior, and it's madness,


Until republicans become honest on health care, I will never ever ever vote for any GOP candidate, besides maybe a very local one, like mayor of Portland (Sam Adams ain't doing so well, sad to say, he was Vera katz right hand man, but he's a bad politician. A wonk who just doesn't have skills)

581 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:35:25am

re: #577 RogueOne

The whole point of the debt ceiling was to keep congressional spending under control. If they just raise the limit every time they hit it then it's useless. It's a bit like "outlawing" water boarding by proclamation "We'll never, ever do it... unless we really need to"

Like i said

if you don't raise it, then you cost yourself more money


the point is, it's not the solution, because it does the opposite

'Well cut spending by costing ourselves more money because we defaulted!"

That's all I'm saying, trying to be all peaceful about it, but it literally makes zero sense to me, it just looks like sabotage

582 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:36:24am

re: #577 RogueOne

The whole point of the debt ceiling was to keep congressional spending under control. If they just raise the limit every time they hit it then it's useless. It's a bit like "outlawing" water boarding by proclamation "We'll never, ever do it... unless we really need to"

We're fighting two wars and just started a third. Health care costs are out of control. I'd say we really need to do it, unless of course we decide to stop fighting those wars and actually do something about spiraling health care costs.

583 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:37:05am

re: #577 RogueOne

I would be happy to cut spending, i'd be happy to cut some pentagon bloat


show me the GOP members who are talking about pentagon and war pork

Spending to social service sproduces tangible results, even if you don't like those programs, the money isn't going into the garbage

starting and stopping the JSF project produced rich Boweing executives and wastes money like water

584 laZardo  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:37:12am

re: #579 ralphieboy

Just to remind the Germans in case they get any ideas again...

You mean like this?

585 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:37:29am

re: #578 mdey

That's the thing I don't understand. Boehner, Cantor, and McConnell say we don't have a revenue problem? We have a 1.6 trillion dollar deficit. Obviously we have a revenue problem.

They mean that they and their buddies don't have a revenue problem, since they're not paying much in taxes.

586 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:38:00am

NBC said someone was dressed up as an otter in the crowd. I missed it.

587 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:38:54am

re: #582 Lidane

We're fighting two wars and just started a third. Health care costs are out of control. I'd say we really need to do it, unless of course we decide to stop fighting those wars and actually do something about spiraling health care costs.

Military costs are going to have to be cut BUT our spending on both the Iraq/Afghanistan wars for the last 10 years still doesn't equal the budget deficit from just this year.

588 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:39:10am

re: #586 RogueOne

NBC said someone was dressed up as an otter in the crowd. I missed it.

Representative of The Royal College of Furries.

589 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:39:12am

re: #582 Lidane

We're fighting two wars and just started a third. Health care costs are out of control. I'd say we really need to do it, unless of course we decide to stop fighting those wars and actually do something about spiraling health care costs.


Health insurers are useles smiddlemen

it's just flushing money down the toilet

But the GOp wants to push for them, and some democrats ar ein the pocket of insurers, like Libermann.

they're literally just saying "Let's keep the system inefficient! Let's have all these middlemen for no reason!"

590 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:40:49am

re: #544 Obdicut

I've heard stories in the US too. You would think from they way that this particular guy was talking that they were driving around in painted wagons stealing babies in the middle of the night.

When my son was a baby, he was very colicky. I used to tell people that I'd sit him on the front stoop about 2am hoping that gypsies would steal him. They'd look aghast, and I'd explain, "That way we'll get a few nights sleep before the gypsies would leave him on our stoop so they could get a few nights sleep."

While funny, it wasn't until later that I realized that it was a pretty racist thing to say.

591 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:40:57am

re: #588 Decatur Deb

Representative of The Royal College of Furries.

I wanna see *_*


I actually know furries in high places, one contracts afor the NSA as a tech code-breaker type, one is a millionaire IT wizard, literally just spend shis money setting up studios and machine shops and stuff for his friend sin the fandom to build things, he's sorta like a patron, he's amazing

One is a veternarian on the edge of having his own practice, about to buy it out, he's a genius

592 mdey  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:41:02am

re: #585 Lidane

You are right about that. They are all kissing Grover Norquist's Ass.

593 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:41:56am

re: #587 RogueOne

Military costs are going to have to be cut BUT our spending on both the Iraq/Afghanistan wars for the last 10 years still doesn't equal the budget deficit from just this year.

Which would imply we have a revenue problem, no? So why not make people and businesses who earn more pay more? Seems fair.

At the same time, we can talk about cutting military costs while the GOP flatly refuse to do so since they fetishize the military so much, and we can keep dancing around the health care issue altogether.

594 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:41:56am

re: #551 Alouette

I used to have a fabulous hat collection. I especially loved the big floppy brim straw hats.

One day I was walking home from services, it was a rainy day, and a big gust of wind blew off my hat and my wig which was attached to it, and then it rolled down the street like a frisbee.

I managed to retrieve it, but the hat was soaked and muddy and my wig looked like roadkill.

Oh, my.
And oh, I'm very sorry, but I am ROFL at the image of that wig coming off with the hat!

595 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:42:02am

re: #592 mdey

You are right about that. They are all kissing Grover Norquist's Ass.

grover Norquist is pure evil


One of the people I hate most in politics

596 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:42:29am

re: #589 WindUpBird

They are there to insure that fraud doesn't happen.

/

597 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:43:11am

re: #587 RogueOne

Military costs are going to have to be cut BUT our spending on both the Iraq/Afghanistan wars for the last 10 years still doesn't equal the budget deficit from just this year.

PENTAGON bloat

What about actual weapons spending, that is just throwing money away

We're already no longer the big baddest ass anymore, we can't keep spending militarily like it's the cold war

598 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:43:33am

re: #596 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They are there to insure that fraud doesn't happen.

/

that's what they are! It's like a legal form of organized crime

599 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:43:51am

re: #572 wlewisiii

Gah, I hate EDS. They run Medicare payments in Wisconsin. They refuse to allow direct deposit of my wife's payroll - all Medicare providers are paid by check - so that they get two to four days of interest float. That privatization rip off of State and Federal taxpayers was given to them by then governor Tommy Thompson. Why, yes, he was a Republican. How did you guess?

I worked for EDS in the 70's while I was in college.

Very strange company to work for.

600 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:44:13am

re: #599 reine.de.tout

I worked for EDS in the 70's while I was in college.

Very strange company to work for.

what IS EDS?

601 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:44:27am

re: #597 WindUpBird

PENTAGON bloat

What about actual weapons spending, that is just throwing money away

We're already no longer the big baddest ass anymore, we can't keep spending militarily like it's the cold war

Actually, Number Two has to spend harder. It's how we broke the Soviets.

602 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:45:04am

re: #586 RogueOne

Once a chick flashed her boobies on the Today Show during their outside pan. Katie was the only one to see it. When the camera came back to them she had the funniest stunned smile on her face. Was great.

Hope a lady in the Royal wedding party did that. Then I'd watch.

603 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:45:37am

re: #601 Decatur Deb

Actually, Number Two has to spend harder. It's how we broke the Soviets.

and now we're done, because we cannot beat china

it's not possible

but yet the spending is all in place

604 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:45:39am

re: #587 RogueOne

Military costs are going to have to be cut BUT our spending on both the Iraq/Afghanistan wars for the last 10 years still doesn't equal the budget deficit from just this year.

I don't understand why that's become a talking point. Nobody is saying that if we didn't have those wars the budget would be in balance.

605 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:45:47am

re: #579 ralphieboy

Just to remind the Germans in case they get any ideas again...

Say nothing about the war...

;)

606 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:46:13am

re: #600 WindUpBird

The computer company that Perot owns(ed).

607 laZardo  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:46:26am

re: #600 WindUpBird

what IS EDS?

Electronic Data Systems. Now a subsidiary of HP.

608 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:46:54am

okay going to bed, it's daytime nighttime for me _-_(zzzzzzzzzzz)

609 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:47:13am

re: #606 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The computer company that Perot owns(ed).

AHH that is what i was missing the context

610 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:47:50am

OK. I'm off. I'm going to try and relax today, as much as I can anyhow.

BBL

611 laZardo  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:47:51am

re: #608 WindUpBird

okay going to bed, it's daytime nighttime for me _-_(zzz)

nite bird

612 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:48:06am

re: #590 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, and honestly? Unfortunately, it is so ingrained in my psyche (even from as a child) I automatically wouldn't trust a Roma if I met one.

Hate to say it, but it is true.

613 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:48:10am

re: #593 Lidane

Which would imply we have a revenue problem, no? So why not make people and businesses who earn more pay more? Seems fair.

At the same time, we can talk about cutting military costs while the GOP flatly refuse to do so since they fetishize the military so much, and we can keep dancing around the health care issue altogether.

Both but the bigger hit is spending and it's going to get worse as more baby-boomers retire. The entitlement programs are going to have to be revised:

Image: US_Federal_Outlay_and_GDP_linear_graph.png

614 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:48:40am

re: #600 WindUpBird

what IS EDS?

Electronic Data Systems.

IT support company founded by Ross Perot, took over the GM IT Dept. in the late '80's, within 15 years managed to send overseas almost all the IT jobs at GM.

Last time I worked there, which was in 2001, they were shutting down entire centers in Detroit and moving them to Delhi and Mumbai.

Globalization!

615 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:49:00am

re: #597 WindUpBird

I've said military spending is going to have to be cut. If we're all going to have to suffer to get our spending under control we can't exclude the military.

616 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:49:57am

re: #604 Obdicut

I don't understand why that's become a talking point. Nobody is saying that if we didn't have those wars the budget would be in balance.

It's called perspective. Yes the wars have cost us a fortune but no they aren't even close to being the main driver behind our debt.

617 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:50:01am

re: #590 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've heard stories in the US too. You would think from they way that this particular guy was talking that they were driving around in painted wagons stealing babies in the middle of the night.

When my son was a baby, he was very colicky. I used to tell people that I'd sit him on the front stoop about 2am hoping that gypsies would steal him. They'd look aghast, and I'd explain, "That way we'll get a few nights sleep before the gypsies would leave him on our stoop so they could get a few nights sleep."

While funny, it wasn't until later that I realized that it was a pretty racist thing to say.

In our Irish Pittsburgh neighborhood, late 40s, we kids were allowed forced to run free through our neighborhood all day. Except there were two weeks of the year when the Gypsies camped in a wasteland on the edge of our turf, some in horse-drawn wagons. Then we were kept in.

618 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:50:01am

re: #613 RogueOne

The baby boomers are a bolus, not a permanent expense.

Also, that graph you just cited?

It shows government expenditure shrinking as a percentage of the GDP. Did you realize that?

619 laZardo  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:50:54am

re: #612 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Upding and a virtual pat on the back for admitting it.

620 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:52:49am

re: #618 Obdicut

The baby boomers are a bolus, not a permanent expense.

Also, that graph you just cited?

It shows government expenditure shrinking as a percentage of the GDP. Did you realize that?

Yep. Did you notice that the expected (the graph) vs. reality isn't lining up? Currently almost 70% of our budget is going to entitlement programs and I've read it's going to hit 85% within the decade.

621 laZardo  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:53:20am

re: #615 RogueOne

I've said military spending is going to have to be cut. If we're all going to have to suffer to get our spending under control we can't exclude the military.

I think a lot of that spending cuts can come from trimming the bureaucracy. When Eisenhower warned of the military-industrial complex, the key word was complex. Back then when the government wanted a batch of planes, they got their batch of planes on time and within the original budget.

622 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:54:04am

Meanwhile, in Syria:

Security forces have shut off Daraa's water supply and electricity, and began confiscating food, in an effort to starve the people of the city.

and in Libya:

It is understood the Tunisian security forces have disarmed the Libyan soldiers and driven them back across the border.

623 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:54:13am

re: #617 Decatur Deb

By Grathbar's Hammer, I swear I will never again speak to anyone who posts that fucking Cher song...

Oh, wait! That might be an incentive...

624 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:54:29am

re: #616 RogueOne

It's called perspective. Yes the wars have cost us a fortune but no they aren't even close to being the main driver behind our debt.

The main driver is health care costs. We need to get those under control. The best way of doing that, in my opinion, is changing from a fee-for-procedure method of physician compensation to something that doesn't reward overtreatment. Single payer insurance would be a good way of going about this, but it requires a cultural shift.

This is a couple of good articles on the subject:

[Link: www.newyorker.com...]

[Link: www.newyorker.com...]

625 laZardo  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:55:13am

re: #622 ProLifeLiberal


It is understood the Tunisian security forces have disarmed the Libyan soldiers and driven them back across the border.

"We don't wanna be dragged into a second revolution!"

well, it's possible. :P

626 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:55:18am

re: #620 RogueOne

Yep. Did you notice that the expected (the graph) vs. reality isn't lining up?

Then why did you cite it? Wwhy would you reference a graph and then say that it's inaccurate?

627 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:56:03am

re: #622 ProLifeLiberal

Meanwhile, in Syria:

and in Libya:

Syria keeps getting worse. It's only a matter of time before it either goes completely to shit or 10,000 civilians are dead.

628 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:56:41am

re: #620 RogueOne

That graph doesn't even speak to what percentage of the budget goes where, so I'm not sure what you mean about the graph not lining up with reality. Could you clarify?

629 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:57:37am

re: #625 laZardo

A Tunisian Woman died because Qaddafi's forces jumped the border. Tunisia's mighty pissed right now. Wikipedia has them as the 3rd party in the war now. Also, they only disarmed one side. Perhaps the rebels could request that weaponry?

630 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:59:33am

Work time. BBL

631 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:01:59am

re: #602 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Once a chick flashed her boobies on the Today Show during their outside pan. Katie was the only one to see it. When the camera came back to them she had the funniest stunned smile on her face. Was great.

Hope a lady in the Royal wedding party did that. Then I'd watch.

Here it is! TNSFW!
(totally)

632 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:03:50am

re: #631 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The look on Katie's face there is totally worth it.

633 laZardo  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:06:57am

re: #629 ProLifeLiberal

A Tunisian Woman died because Qaddafi's forces jumped the border. Tunisia's mighty pissed right now. Wikipedia has them as the 3rd party in the war now. Also, they only disarmed one side. Perhaps the rebels could request that weaponry?

Isn't Algeria allied with Gaddafi? This could spiral into something...interesting, to say the least.

634 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:15:33am

re: #631 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Here it is! TNSFW!
(totally)

That was hilarious!
The woman doing the flashing was so cool about it - just opened up that jacket when the camera came by, then closed it back up.

635 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:17:10am

re: #634 reine.de.tout

Katie was just fantastic there.

I really liked Morning Katie. Didn't get Evening Katie.

Apparently, neither did anyone else.

636 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:17:35am

I sent out a resume and got a reply back with them saying they liked it and didn't want to offend me by offering an entry level position. Not sure if they are full of shit or not. I tend to think no because why bother to write back. Hmmm...
And good morning Honcos.

637 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:17:45am

re: #628 Obdicut

That graph doesn't even speak to what percentage of the budget goes where, so I'm not sure what you mean about the graph not lining up with reality. Could you clarify?

That graph showed their projections for this year based on their beliefs from just a few years ago and it's off, badly. The belief that if we ignore the debt problem eventually it will go away is flawed. Even if we raise the debt limit and enact the ryan plan in it's totality we'll still be up against the debt ceiling within a couple years at max.

Image: cfrfbchart.jpg

Are we going to wait until our debt hits 87% of GDP before we do something about it?

638 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:17:51am

re: #634 reine.de.tout

That was hilarious!
The woman doing the flashing was so cool about it - just opened up that jacket when the camera came by, then closed it back up.

By the way. Did you notice that none of the guys have posted in the last few minutes?

639 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:18:13am

re: #633 laZardo

And Morocco is friendly with the New Tunisian Gov't, and the Rebels to a point.

640 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:19:25am

Crayons? Check!
Prozac? Check!
Helmet? Check!
Now I am ready for work!

Later taters.

641 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:19:52am

I have work to accomplish. If I'm not back later, enjoy the wedding day folks.

642 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:20:48am

re: #640 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Crayons? Check!
Prozac? Check!
Helmet? Check!
Now I am ready for work!

Later taters.

re: #641 RogueOne

I have work to accomplish. If I'm not back later, enjoy the wedding day folks.

I show up and people start bailing. Do I smell or something?

643 laZardo  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:21:40am

re: #642 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #641 RogueOne

I show up and people start bailing. Do I smell or something?

It's definitely not from what me and WUB did in the HAARP control room last night. Nope.

644 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:23:14am

re: #643 laZardo

It's definitely not from what me and WUB did in the HAARP control room last night. Nope.

We have HAARP to keep the aliens from invading. I heard that on Coast to Coast AM.

645 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:24:05am

re: #642 Cannadian Club Akbar

I only see you when I am checking out, anymore. But, me gotsta git!

646 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:24:22am

An odd sweep of the bottom 10. But then again, I wasn't here.

647 laZardo  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:25:29am

re: #646 Cannadian Club Akbar

An odd sweep of the bottom 10. But then again, I wasn't here.

LVQ of all people, too.

Also me neither.

648 iossarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:28:19am

re: #646 Cannadian Club Akbar

An odd sweep of the bottom 10. But then again, I wasn't here.

Cue Deathmatch music.

649 The Left  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:33:55am

Pickup Truck Warns of Impending ‘Muslim Attack’

WHY WON’T AMERICA LISTEN TO THE PICKUP TRUCKS? Our nation’s pickup trucks are always alerting citizens to new threats, but nobody seems to listen, even though we do our part to bring them to the people. Things are getting so bad that it’s no longer enough to post messages on your truck; you now have to attach giant signs to let people know about the apocalypse that will be precipitated by Muslims overthrowing their dictators. It may be confusing that the same pickup trucks that were once proclaiming terrorists hate freedom are now afraid that “terrorists” want freedom, but, uh… hey, look at that Simba stuffed animal sitting up there. That’s pretty cool.

This is from new Islamophobe world headquarters Orange County, of course:

Pic at link.

650 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:35:08am

WTF? Why can't I link youtube videos like I used to?

651 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:35:22am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I guess people really need a fairy tale wedding to take their mind off events that are truly more important or relevant or immediate in their impact on their lives. Personally, I take the Monty Python view on the monarchy. They're just the ones who are dressed who don't have crap on them... and some wet tart gave 'em a sword to bestow upon 'em rights that no one else has.

652 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:35:33am

re: #637 RogueOne

That graph showed their projections for this year based on their beliefs from just a few years ago and it's off, badly.

So why did you cite it?

The belief that if we ignore the debt problem eventually it will go away is flawed.

Nobody has that belief. Why are you throwing up such a stupid strawman?

Even if we raise the debt limit and enact the ryan plan in it's totality we'll still be up against the debt ceiling within a couple years at max.

The Ryan Plan is a fiction. It has no basis in reality.


Are we going to wait until our debt hits 87% of GDP before we do something about it?

Can you explain why you skipped over me talking about addressing health care costs, which are the main driver of the debt? Why do you prefer to attack strawmen?

653 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:38:13am
re:

#648 iossarian

Cue Deathmatch music.

654 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:38:30am

The crackdown continues in Syria - and there may be cracks in the military's support for the regime. Some units are reportedly not following orders to disperse crowds and fire on the protesters. Instead, other units have taken to firing on the rogue units. That first crack in the military order could spell real trouble for Assad's regime, which has relied on its unbridled use of force to remain in power.

The chances for a coup have just increased immeasurably IMO. After all, Assad's father came to power through a succession of coups, and there's no reason to believe that the military leadership might decide it better to send Assad packing than to continue killing protesters who are demanding change from Assad.

655 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:39:13am

re: #654 lawhawk

I heard a report an entire military unit (the size uncertain) had deserted. Have you heard anything on that?

656 AK-47%  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:41:29am

From the latest newsmax.com:

"Former top presidential adviser Karl Rove says President Barack Obama’s lack of action on comprehensive immigration reform is costing him the Latino vote and the voting bloc could start swinging to Republicans."

Why would anyone who is not rich and white (or retarded and white) have any reason to support the GOP ?

657 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:42:39am

re: #656 ralphieboy

"Former top presidential adviser Karl Rove says President Barack Obama’s lack of action on comprehensive immigration reform is costing him the Latino vote and the voting bloc could start swinging to Republicans."

Ah... yeah. The Latino vote is going to go to the anti-immigrant GOP. Thanks, Rove. Brilliant as always.

658 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:43:11am

re: #646 Cannadian Club Akbar

An odd sweep of the bottom 10. But then again, I wasn't here.

I very recently read the book "Exile" by Richard North Patterson.

The emotions on both the Muslim/Jewish debate flare so loudly that no one can hear what the other side is saying. It is awful. There are bad actors on both sides.

It will never end.

Get SFZ and CL in a room, they could find a way to work it out. Then someone would fan the flames anew.

Really. I gotta go.

659 Gus  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:43:43am

re: #651 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I guess people really need a fairy tale wedding to take their mind off events that are truly more important or relevant or immediate in their impact on their lives. Personally, I take the Monty Python view on the monarchy. They're just the ones who are dressed who don't have crap on them... and some wet tart gave 'em a sword to bestow upon 'em rights that no one else has.

Think I saw one or two pictures at the BBC News site. I personally could give a rats tiny little ass about that wedding. More accurately, this wedding could in no way shape or form take my mind off things. Not even the BS farce going on Libya can accomplish that. But, they can have their "royal" wedding.

Funny you know that the world, including the USA, would celebrate a "royal" wedding since a monarchy technically represents a dictatorial kingdom. It is what the USA effectively fought against during the revolutionary war. It also represents colonialism. The saving grave though is that it is now largely a costume show.

Weren't they rioting in the streets of London over budget cuts several months ago? But they find money to hold this bash?

660 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:46:33am

re: #655 Obdicut

An interesting Syria link (Syrian language) via google translate...BTW I can not get that from cache so if it's a bad site -sorryNow demonstrations in Damascus door Srijp by Zaid mosque chanting Aganp we go Martyrs millions ‬:::: demonstration now in the heart of Damascus, near the area of ​​Kafar::::re: #654 lawhawk

661 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:46:53am

re: #655 Obdicut

Lots of confusion about what exactly is going on, but from what I can tell, the 4th division, which is under command of Assad's brother is spearheading the crackdown on Daraa (reminiscent of the Hama assault by Assad's father nearly 30 years ago). There may be other units involved, and it is possible that some of these other units may be refusing to fire on the citizens of the city or small units from the 4th are refusing to fire, but no way to tell.

662 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:47:41am

re: #659 Gus 802

I think they can find the money to hold a wedding bash. The last one was what, 30 years ago? And how much did it help their economy? I know pubs here were packed at 5am. (drinks and bangers!!!)

663 The Left  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:47:44am

re: #659 Gus 802


Weren't they rioting in the streets of London over budget cuts several months ago? But they find money to hold this bash?

Yup. Tory government now really, slashes to the budget, defunding students and raising university fees.

664 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:48:42am

re: #662 Cannadian Club Akbar

Heh... banger...

665 The Left  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:50:12am

Did people read this when the link was posted upthread? Worth reading in full:

Looks Like Trump's Right: How the Hell Did This President Get Into Those Ivy League Schools?

- "The dean looked over Barack's transcript and college boards and then suggested in a kindly way that he apply to some less competitive colleges in addition to Columbia."

- "There were no class rankings at his high school, but Barack never made honor roll even one term, unlike 110 boys in his class."

- "His SAT scores were 566 for the verbal part and 640 for math. Those were far below the median scores for students admitted to his class at Columbia: 668 verbal and 718 math."

- "At Columbia, Barack Obama distinguished himself primarily as a hard partier, and he managed to be detained by police twice during his university years: once for stealing a Christmas wreath as a fraternity prank and once for trying to tear down the goalposts during a football game at Princeton."

- "Obama's transcript at Columbia shows that he was a solid C student. Although a history major, he sampled widely in the social sciences and did poorly in political science and economics while achieving some of his best grades (the equivalent of a B+) in philosophy and anthropology. The transcript indicates that in Obama's freshman year, the only year for which rankings were available, he was in the twenty-first percentile of his class—meaning that four-fifths of the students were above him. Yet at the same time that he was earning Cs at Columbia, Obama displayed a formidable intelligence in another way. At his induction into the Delta Kappa Epsilon (DKE) fraternity, he and others were asked to name all fifty-four pledges in the room. Most were were able to name only five or six. When it was Obama's turn, he named every single one. Later he rose to become president of DKE, and he was also tapped into Skull and Bones, an elite secret society to which his father had also belonged."

And then he somehow got into Harvard for graduate school.

Oh, wait.

My bad.

I made a mistake.

Please replace the reference to "high school" with "Andover."

Please replace "Columbia" with "Yale."

Please replace "Barack Obama" with "George W. Bush."

Thanks.

Heh.

666 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:50:14am

re: #664 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Heh... banger...

Are bangers like a sausage? Ice, I need a ruling!!

667 Achilles Tang  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:50:31am

re: #659 Gus 802


........ since a monarchy technically represents a dictatorial kingdom.

Morning.

Except that this one doesn't. Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

Personally I could care less either, but it cost a lot less than the USA spends on misleading political campaign ads, for example.

Let them have their entertainment and pomp.

668 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:50:35am

re: #663 iceweasel

Yup. Tory government now really, slashes to the budget, defunding students and raising university fees.

Isn't there also controversy over an aircraft carrier?

669 Gus  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:51:06am

re: #662 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think they can find the money to hold a wedding bash. The last one was what, 30 years ago? And how much did it help their economy? I know pubs here were packed at 5am. (drinks and bangers!!!)

Seems like the latest excuse for everything regarding budgets these days is "well, spending money on that really wouldn't make a difference anyway." It's about priorities. It's also about useless social and cultural rituals. A royal wedding counts as either of those. This is especially true when you have a very large portion of the world media focusing its attention on this farce.re: #667 Naso Tang

Morning.

Except that this one doesn't. Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

Personally I could care less either, but it cost a lot less than the USA spends on misleading political campaign ads, for example.

Let them have their entertainment and pomp.

And if I did what the fuck is it to you?

670 The Left  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:51:15am

re: #666 Cannadian Club Akbar

Are bangers like a sausage? Ice, I need a ruling!!

yep. bangers and mash, baby!

671 The Left  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:52:07am

re: #668 Varek Raith

Isn't there also controversy over an aircraft carrier?

Probably. I haven't been paying any attention. It's all I can do to stay with the US news cycle and system. Shameful, but there it is.

672 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:52:12am

re: #670 iceweasel

yep. bangers and mash, baby!

What's mash? Is that just mashed potatoes or is something else mashed?

673 Gus  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:52:25am

Fuck this. Bye.

674 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:52:38am

re: #669 Gus 802

At least we don't waste money here!!
//

675 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:53:10am

re: #672 Alouette

What's mash? Is that just mashed potatoes or is something else mashed?

I was gonna ask that.:)

676 The Left  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:53:21am

re: #673 Gus 802

Fuck this. Bye.

Hey, come back! I'll miss you!

677 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:54:55am

And my last comment in regards to the Royal wedding...that chick is hot!!!!

679 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:55:20am

re: #676 iceweasel

Hey, come back! I'll miss you!

Seconded.

680 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:55:50am

re: #665 iceweasel

My question? Mr. Trump?

So?

Every good professional did not graduate at the top of their respective class.

What are you trying to say?

681 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:55:55am

re: #661 lawhawk

VOA claims that it's units of the 5th Division that are refusing to fire on protesters in Daraa and that the 4th has been firing on those 5th Division units.

682 iossarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:56:13am

re: #653 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Link: youtu.be...]

#648 iossarian

AWESOME!

683 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:56:23am

re: #681 lawhawk

VOA claims that it's units of the 5th Division that are refusing to fire on protesters in Daraa and that the 4th has been firing on those 5th Division units.

The plot thickens...

684 The Left  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:56:27am

re: #675 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #672 Alouette

Mashed potatoes. Traditionally it's a large sausage or two (lincolnshire or cumberland), and mashed potatoes. Served with onion gravy and mustard on the side. I love it. Sometimes you get peas with it, but mushy peas (yes, they're called that) are an abomination.

685 Achilles Tang  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:57:18am

re: #669 Gus 802


And if I did what the fuck is it to you?

I'm just trying to cheer you up. I hate to see anyone in a bad mood.

686 jaunte  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:57:48am

This morning's email from my business partner:

Subject: I am up watching the royal wedding
Because I'm from a little village outside of Belfast in Northern
Ireland and this being a national holiday by order of the Crown....I'm
taking this special day off.
God save the Queen Mother


Four generations in the New World, but if it means Friday off, he's a Royalist!

687 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:58:15am

re: #684 iceweasel

re: #672 Alouette

Mashed potatoes. Traditionally it's a large sausage or two (lincolnshire or cumberland), and mashed potatoes. Served with onion gravy and mustard on the side. I love it. Sometimes you get peas with it, but mushy peas (yes, they're called that) are an abomination.

I would love that. I put mustard on most pork products. And I love onions AND gravy. The peas can go to the dog.

688 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:58:30am

re: #680 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Trump was sent to military school by dad because he was not a good student. That experience turned him around and he managed to get into a good business school at the end of the day. Trump excels in the business of promoting himself. His scoresheet on business dealings is mixed - 3 bankruptcies on casino businesses, and he was able to transform his father's real estate holdings (largely middle class apartment complexes) into a major real estate player in the NYC metro area. He's a self-promoter extraordinaire, but when your signature catchphrase is "you're fired" you ought to know that there isn't much substance there.

689 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:58:44am

re: #686 jaunte

This morning's email from my business partner:


Four generations in the New World, but if it means Friday off, he's a Royalist!

Lol.
I'd be whatever for a day off.

690 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:59:16am

re: #686 jaunte

"If there's a day off in it? I'll believe in anything you say"
Winston Zeddemore, paraphrased.

691 The Left  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:59:47am

re: #687 Cannadian Club Akbar

I would love that. I put mustard on most pork products. And I love onions AND gravy. The peas can go to the dog.

Agree with everything you said.

It's weird, I think of it as this quintessentially British dish, but Jimmah had never had it til I made it for him. Onion gravy rules and I love english mustard.

692 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:00:09am

re: #689 Varek Raith

Lol.
I'd be whatever for a day off.

I'm off every day!!! Woot!! Oh, wait...:(

693 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:00:43am

re: #692 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm off every day!!! Woot!! Oh, wait...:(

Yeah, I'm there myself.
I blame....
You!
/

694 iossarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:01:43am

re: #691 iceweasel

Agree with everything you said.

It's weird, I think of it as this quintessentially British dish, but Jimmah had never had it til I made it for him. Onion gravy rules and I love english mustard.

Too busy with turnips and offal I suppose.

(I kid, I actually like haggis.)

695 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:03:29am

re: #694 iossarian

Too busy with turnips and offal I suppose.

(I kid, I actually like haggis.)

Ok.
No one likes haggis.
Mmmkay?
/

696 Achilles Tang  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:05:20am

re: #665 iceweasel

Did people read this when the link was posted upthread? Worth reading in full:

Looks Like Trump's Right: How the Hell Did This President Get Into Those Ivy League Schools?

Heh.

Talking of Trump. I accidentally caught a few seconds of O'Reilly last night, and what was the deep politically analysis about?

He was wondering about the Democrat's reasoning behind saying that Republicans should denounce Trump's birtherism.

Nothing about how embarrassing this was for American politics, just speculation that this was a plan to make all Republicans look bad. Nasty Democrats!//

697 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:05:42am

re: #693 Varek Raith

Yeah, I'm there myself.
I blame...
You!
/

We need to ride the bus together!!

698 AK-47%  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:06:50am

re: #672 Alouette

What's mash? Is that just mashed potatoes or is something else mashed?

mashed potatoes, but they are also fond of mushy peas.

699 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:07:01am
700 Achilles Tang  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:07:35am

re: #688 lawhawk

Two questions.

Have you researched how much he inherited from his father?

Does anyone know what his liabilities are, as opposed to his self claimed assets of some $2.5 billion?

701 jaunte  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:07:56am

re: #699 Varek Raith

We may begin to see more cases of Spontaneous Redistribution.

702 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:08:09am

Trees, Joyce Kilmer

I THINK that I shall never see
A poem lovely as a tree.

A tree whose hungry mouth is prest
Against the sweet earth's flowing breast;

A tree that looks at God all day,
And lifts her leafy arms to pray;

A tree that may in summer wear
A nest of robins in her hair;

Upon whose bosom snow has lain;
Who intimately lives with rain.

Poems are made by fools like me,
But only God can make a tree.

Happy Arbor Day, y'all!

703 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:10:35am
704 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:11:34am

re: #703 Cannadian Club Akbar

Man gets power cut, takes situation into his own hands.

See, now that's the kind of shit you don't DIY.

705 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:12:57am

re: #704 Varek Raith

See, now that's the kind of shit you don't DIY.

Most of the comments I saw were deleted. One called the guy a pole monkey. Heh.

706 iossarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:16:19am
Police in Stafford County, Va., can't figure out what prompted a man to steal 26 gallons of milk while dressed in a cow costume.

A front-runner for "caption of the week".

707 jaunte  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:17:05am

re: #706 iossarian

Some mysteries must stay beyond our ken.

708 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:17:59am

re: #706 iossarian

A front-runner for "caption of the week".

I'm thinking booze is the answer. No, I know it is the answer.
/

709 iossarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:18:09am

re: #707 jaunte

Some mysteries must stay beyond our ken.

The photo is pure genius as well. Kind of a light-hearted and yet also infinitely more sinister Donnie Darko effect.

Local news reporting at its best.

710 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:24:12am
711 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:27:07am

re: #700 Naso Tang

Fred Trump died with an estate valued in excess of $400 million (though the Times puts that figure at $250-300 million) split among various family members. Fred Trump managed to build or accumulate 27,000 apartments throughout NYC, mostly affordable housing.

Not sure how much of that went to help Donald, but Donald was a major player in running the real estate business once he graduated from school. Those units are probably worth significantly more now than they were in 1999 when he died.

A release of his tax records would go a long way to clearing up how much money he really has.

712 iossarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:28:55am

re: #711 lawhawk


A release of his tax records would go a long way to clearing up how much money he really has.

This is why I am performing my ritual dance in the nudd every morning to persuade the Sky Boss to make Trump the GOP nominee.

Well, that and the fact that his chances of winning are about as impressive as my nudd dance.

713 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:29:48am

Crap. Gotta run. BBL.

714 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:31:08am

re: #711 lawhawk

I get to make the joke again!

Trump'll have to show his "Worth Certificate!"

715 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:34:53am

re: #712 iossarian

Thing is, I could care less how much money Trump has, or anything else Trump is doing. He has a lot of money. He's made a lot - and lost a lot (mostly other people's money).

His political positions are laughable and his demands for Obama's records reeks, especially when Trump declares he'd release his own tax records, then shies away from doing just that and moves on to his next talking point (real easy to do when you're a natural blowhard).

Just finishing up reading a book entitled Bad Science: Quacks, Hacks, and Big Pharma Flacks , and the author, Ben Goodacre, has a great descriptor for people like Trump. They're bullshitters.

716 Achilles Tang  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:36:01am

re: #711 lawhawk

Thanks. I saw that Fred Trump started with some $200 million from his father in the 30's. That doesn't say much for having at most $400 million when he died many years later.

I also saw that $200 million invested at the rate of inflation in the 30's would be worth some $40 billion by now (less living expenses), although I haven't checked the calculation.

It is also interesting that the "free enterprise" guru was riding the wave of government housing programs./

Release his tax records? That would be interesting. I'm not sure if he has to as a Presidential candidate. If so that probably guarantees he won't run.

717 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:36:05am

re: #704 Varek Raith

Oh, it's the kind of thing you DIY. Once - and that's it.

718 The Left  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:36:27am

Poem for FBV

Prayer, by Carol Ann Duffy

Prayer

Some days, although we cannot pray, a prayer
utters itself. So, a woman will lift
her head from the sieve of her hands and stare
at the minims sung by a tree, a sudden gift.

Some nights, although we are faithless, the truth
enters our hearts, that small familiar pain;
then a man will stand stock-still, hearing his youth
in the distant Latin chanting of a train.

Pray for us now. Grade 1 piano scales
console the lodger looking out across
a Midlands town. Then dusk, and someone calls
a child's name as though they named their loss.

Darkness outside. Inside, the radio's prayer -
Rockall. Malin. Dogger. Finisterre.

719 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:39:07am

re: #716 Naso Tang

Fred Trump, along with Lefrak, were big into building affordable housing projects, because that's where the money was to be made in building after WWII in NYC. Because of rent control/stabilization, etc. market rate was very difficult to build in the postwar NYC. That situation is changing slowly, and new housing projects in the City are a mix of market/affordable housing - that you need to have an affordable housing component to get community board and city approval. That percentage is usually negotiated by the developer and the community, and can be up to 1/3 of the total units to be built.

720 Achilles Tang  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:39:36am

re: #717 lawhawk

Oh, it's the kind of thing you DIY. Once - and that's it.

Reminds me of the sayings about wild mushrooms. They are all edible once.

Or, there are bold mushroom hunters, and there are old mushroom hunters, but there are no old bold mushroom hunters.

721 Interesting Times  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:44:06am
722 AK-47%  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:49:30am

re: #721 publicityStunted

Afterbirther here has a point: had Obama obtained a waiver from Hawaii state law and released this document a lot earlier, he might've spared the GOP a lot of embarassment.

But saving the GOP from its own idiocy is not part of his job description.

723 Achilles Tang  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:53:21am

re: #722 ralphieboy

Afterbirther here has a point: had Obama obtained a waiver from Hawaii state law and released this document a lot earlier, he might've spared the GOP a lot of embarassment.

But saving the GOP from its own idiocy is not part of his job description.

So, you advocate that all Hawaiian born citizens (or any state with similar rules) should be required to request a waiver if required to show proof of birth, for any reason?

Kind of makes the whole system seem silly, doesn't it?

724 The Left  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:53:26am

re: #722 ralphieboy

Afterbirther here has a point: had Obama obtained a waiver from Hawaii state law and released this document a lot earlier, he might've spared the GOP a lot of embarassment.

But saving the GOP from its own idiocy is not part of his job description.

Trickse, Trickse Dems! Make republicans go WAH!

725 tnguitarist  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:00:22am

re: #721 publicityStunted

Dead-thread birther concern troll defined 9_9

He's just, ya know, concerned.

726 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:01:23am

re: #722 ralphieboy

The short form was more than sufficient - and no amount of evidence will change the minds of those who don't consider Obama legitimate. The past 3 years have been quite a bit of shrieking from the harpies about how he needs to release the long form, which confirms everything in the original release - and yet these same people are complaining that it is: 1) insufficient; 2) they have doubts about the authenticity of the new long form; 3) Obama should have released this earlier; 4) a combination of complaints that boil down to the fact that people refuse to accept this information and move on.

Obama's the president. Period. End stop. Birtherism is a corrosive conspiracy that harms the GOP and does a grave disservice to the nation when there are truly important issues to be dealt with. Obama doesn't have to save the GOP from itself when the GOP self-selects to go down the rabbit hole. That should have been up to the GOP leaders who know better than to ride this crazy train.

727 The Left  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:05:03am

re: #726 lawhawk

The short form was more than sufficient - and no amount of evidence will change the minds of those who don't consider Obama legitimate.

of course it won't, because it's not driven by reason. They're immune to logic or standards of proof. This is purely about emotion, primarily bigoted hate, and some of it whinyass crying because a black guy is in the White House. They can't handle it. Attempts to challenge his legitimacy are just the Blazing Saddles crowd reacting to" the President is a n***."

728 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:05:23am

One apostrophe in a database record can totally fuck up an entire web report.

729 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:06:10am

re: #726 lawhawk

Obama doesn't have to save the GOP from itself when the GOP self-selects to go down the rabbit hole. That should have been up to the GOP leaders who know better than to ride this crazy train.


It looks like the Dem strategy is giving Republicans what they want. Birth Cert, Donald Trump, a senate vote on the Ryan Budget, etc. Republican leaders don't have the balls to take on their own crazies and the Dems are more than happy to let them run wild.

730 Ericus58  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:06:26am

re: #721 publicityStunted

Dead-thread birther concern troll defined 9_9

He's Dead, Jim

731 Interesting Times  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:11:07am

re: #730 Ericus58

He's Dead, Jim

Comment go bye-bye, but afterbirther still here. Will it slink away, or go out in a blaze of glory fail? :D

732 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:13:24am

re: #728 Alouette

What happened?

733 The Left  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:14:40am

re: #731 publicityStunted

Comment go bye-bye, but afterbirther still here. Will it slink away, or go out in a blaze of glory fail? :D

Might meet a quiet death when Stinky arrives.

734 blueraven  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:22:19am

Breaking news...

Appeals court overturns stem cell research ban

Huge victory for the Obama administration

735 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:23:52am

Trump's statements about how he avoided military service in Vietnam don't stand up to scrutiny.

Donald Trump dodged Vietnam War through medical deferment, not high draft number as he claimed

736 AK-47%  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:24:25am

re: #723 Naso Tang

So, you advocate that all Hawaiian born citizens (or any state with similar rules) should be required to request a waiver if required to show proof of birth, for any reason?

Kind of makes the whole system seem silly, doesn't it?

Only if they are black and Democrats. That's the point behind it all.

/

737 Interesting Times  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:24:25am

re: #734 blueraven

Breaking news...

Appeals court overturns stem cell research ban

Huge victory for the Obama administration science against the religious right and its frothing santorum

Fixed.

738 The Left  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:25:07am

Donald Trump Shouts ‘F Word’ Multiple Times In Las Vegas Speech

The military’s adventures overseas:

“We build a school, we build a road, they blow up the school, we build another school, we build another road they blow them up, we build again, in the meantime we can’t get a fucking school in Brooklyn.”

OPEC:

“We have nobody in Washington that sits back and said, you’re not going to raise that fucking price.”

China:

“Listen, you motherfuckers, we’re going to tax you 25 percent!”

Spoken like a true chief diplomat.

The word “fuck” probably needs to distance itself from Trump now, lest it lose its street cred. That’s the swear of the people, Trump! Why don’t you go buy some ornate rich-person cuss?

739 BongCrodny  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:26:34am

The Tao of Foo.

Morning, all.

740 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:27:23am

just put up my first page. really powerful video.

741 The Left  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:29:21am

re: #740 Dreggas

just put up my first page. really powerful video.

It was a good page! I dinged you. :)

742 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:30:15am

I may be the only one here who actually cares about the royal wedding, but I have to ask--was Princess Beatrice's hat a protest against her mother not being invited?

Fine. Don't invite my mother. Watch what I will put on my head in front of the entire country.

743 zora  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:30:24am

re: #738 iceweasel

Donald Trump Shouts ‘F Word’ Multiple Times In Las Vegas Speech

[Video]

i'd like to see franklin graham say "maybe he's right" now.

744 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:31:41am

re: #740 Dreggas

Yep. That's a very good page.


[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

745 brennant  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:31:46am

re: #738 iceweasel

Donald Trump Shouts ‘F Word’ Multiple Times In Las Vegas Speech

[Video]

Keep it classy Mr. Trump!

746 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:32:06am

re: #738 iceweasel

Donald Trump Shouts ‘F Word’ Multiple Times In Las Vegas Speech

[Video]

I'm pretty sure that was a calculated move by Trump. Keeps his name in the news for one more day. Like all shock jocks, his antics are going to get more extreme and bizarre until he implodes or people just get bored and start ignoring him.

747 The Left  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:33:34am

re: #742 EmmmieG

I may be the only one here who actually cares about the royal wedding, but I have to ask--was Princess Beatrice's hat a protest against her mother not being invited?

Fine. Don't invite my mother. Watch what I will put on my head in front of the entire country.

Princess Beatrice's Royal Wedding hat attracts thousands of Facebook fans

Heh. That is one crazy hat.

748 AK-47%  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:33:56am

re: #746 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty sure that was a calculated move by Trump. Keeps his name in the news for one more day. Like all shock jocks, his antics are going to get more extreme and bizarre until he implodes or people just get bored and start ignoring him.

People were never start ignoring him, that's the point. He knows just what stops to pull out

749 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:36:03am

re: #747 iceweasel

Princess Beatrice's Royal Wedding hat attracts thousands of Facebook fans

Heh. That is one crazy hat.

she could have worn a meat hat.

750 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:36:08am

re: #747 iceweasel

The Gorn was none too pleased with that link.

751 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:37:02am

re: #750 lawhawk

The Gorn was none too pleased with that link.

[Link: www.mirror.co.uk...]

752 The Left  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:37:12am

re: #750 lawhawk

The Gorn was none too pleased with that link.

? I think it's just to the Mirror. Who or what is the Gorn?

753 blueraven  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:37:33am

re: #746 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty sure that was a calculated move by Trump. Keeps his name in the news for one more day. Like all shock jocks, his antics are going to get more extreme and bizarre until he implodes or people just get bored and start ignoring him.

Oh yeah. But lets just see if Fox news and talk radio laugh this one off. Or will they shame him like they tried to with Biden's "this is a big fucking deal" hot mike comment.

Oh...nevermind, I know the answer to that.

754 Interesting Times  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:38:07am
755 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:38:22am

re: #752 iceweasel

? I think it's just to the Mirror. Who or what is the Gorn?

Click your link, you'll see.
:)
You left in "[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] in you link, borking it.
:)

756 The Left  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:39:12am

re: #755 Varek Raith

Click your link, you'll see.
:)
You left in "[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] in you link, borking it.
:)

Dammit. Sorry about that. Thanks for fixing it. :)

757 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:40:14am

re: #756 iceweasel

Dammit. Sorry about that. Thanks for fixing it. :)

"That's one bad hat Harry"

758 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:41:15am

Hehehehe

[Link: www.quickmeme.com...]

759 zora  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:41:25am

re: #746 Killgore Trout

i think you called this pretty well.

In U.S., Negative Views of the Tea Party Rise to New High


Gallup began tracking Americans' views of the Tea Party in March 2010, when 37% had a favorable and 40% an unfavorable view. Those views stayed roughly the same through January of this year, but have now turned somewhat more negative. The April 20-23 USA Today/Gallup poll finds favorable opinions of the Tea Party movement dropping to 33%, from 39% in January, and unfavorable opinions rising to 47% from 42%. Twenty percent of Americans say they haven't heard of the Tea Party or have no opinion of it.
760 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:41:57am

Heh.

3rd and 4th result...

761 The Left  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:42:29am

re: #749 Alouette

she could have worn a meat hat.

She could have worn a traffic cone! If it's good enough for the Duke of Wellington it's good enough for her.

762 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:43:01am

re: #761 iceweasel

She could have worn a traffic cone! If it's good enough for the Duke of Wellington it's good enough for her.

DAMN TEENAGERS!

763 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:45:18am

re: #757 Varek Raith

764 The Left  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:45:37am

re: #762 Varek Raith

DAMN TEENAGERS!

The statue stands outside the Gallery of Modern Art, sometimes referred to as GoMA.

The traffic cone is not Photoshoped on (although the photo has been covered to black and white, with the cone kept red to make it stand out more. It is permanently on the Duke’s head and for many years the authorities regularly removed cones, only for them to be replaced (usually the following night) by someone climbing the nearly 20 foot statue. This statue and his traffic cone has come to represent (particularly in tourist guidebooks) the city’s light-hearted attitude to authority, and the city authorities no longer remove Wellington’s cone hat.

lol

765 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:46:28am

re: #764 iceweasel

lol

Hahaha!

766 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:46:34am

re: #759 zora

i think you called this pretty well.

In U.S., Negative Views of the Tea Party Rise to New High

Yeah, I think it was pretty obvious where this was all going to end. Despite all the warnings conservatives decided to invest 2 years in this nonsense. Although a lot of people on the right are starting to notice there's a problem they still aren't ready to admit that they made a huge mistake.

767 The Left  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:48:22am

re: #765 Varek Raith

Hahaha!

Symbolising ' the city’s light-hearted attitude to authority" = total lack of respect for the law, local police helpless, hahaha.

768 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:48:24am

re: #766 Killgore Trout

Once again, people ignore Yoda - fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.

769 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:50:25am

Damn...
New video of tsunami hitting Sendai.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

770 tnguitarist  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:51:04am

re: #760 Varek Raith

Heh.

3rd and 4th result...

5th row, 3rd pic. WTF?

771 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:52:18am

cnn.com has a row of 6 wedding videos. In the middle is a small blue ad from Tiffany's.

How much do you suppose they paid for that?

772 The Left  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:53:58am

re: #771 EmmmieG

cnn.com has a row of 6 wedding videos. In the middle is a small blue ad from Tiffany's.

How much do you suppose they paid for that?

Supposedly orders have been flooding in for replicas of her engagement ring and that dress she was wearing when they announced the engagement, or so I read on Jezebel anyway.

773 iossarian  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:54:42am

re: #728 Alouette

One apostrophe in a database record can totally fuck up an entire web report.

I do battle every other day with other people's mad ideas about how to store data.

Here are my two golden rules: obey them and you will go far, little software package:

1) If the data validation rules dictate that only valid numbers can be entered, then store the entered values as numbers. NOT TEXT. AND ESPECIALLY NOT TEXT WITH LEADING ZEROS.

2) Entered data is not a date UNLESS I TELL YOU IT IS.

774 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:56:11am

re: #772 iceweasel

Supposedly orders have been flooding in for replicas of her engagement ring and that dress she was wearing when they announced the engagement, or so I read on Jezebel anyway.

I would have thought that replicas of that ring would have been out there since 1981.

775 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:56:47am

Supposedly 2 billion people are watching the wedding. That's 1/3 of mankind.

776 The Left  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:57:07am

re: #774 EmmmieG

I would have thought that replicas of that ring would have been out there since 1981.

There was a rush then too to duplicate it, I read.

777 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:57:21am

re: #775 EmmmieG

Supposedly 2 billion people are watching the wedding. That's 1/3 of mankind.

Doomed we are.

778 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:57:54am

re: #774 EmmmieG

I would have thought that replicas of that ring would have been out there since 1981.

Seriously, considering she has Diana's ring. I see commercials for cheap knock offs of that ring all the time.

779 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 8:59:52am

re: #778 Lidane

Seriously, considering she has Diana's ring. I see commercials for cheap knock offs of that ring all the time.

I'm not sure I would want it, actually. It's the ring from one of the most famously unhappy marriages ever. I guess Prince William wanted that ring, though.

780 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:00:56am

re: #779 EmmmieG

I'm not sure I would want it, actually. It's the ring from one of the most famously unhappy marriages ever. I guess Prince William wanted that ring, though.

True, but for William it's sentimental. It was his mother's and now he's given it to his wife.

781 The Left  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:01:53am

re: #775 EmmmieG

Supposedly 2 billion people are watching the wedding. That's 1/3 of mankind.

I'm pretty sure they were breaking the licensing laws at the pub we had breakfast in. Private party upstairs, very loud, lots of booze being drunk bfore 11 am. It was on every TV screen.

782 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:03:54am

re: #772 iceweasel

Supposedly orders have been flooding in for replicas of her engagement ring and that dress she was wearing when they announced the engagement, or so I read on Jezebel anyway.

She's wearing Diana's engagement ring.

783 The Left  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:06:10am

re: #782 Alouette

She's wearing Diana's engagement ring.

I know that. When it was Diana's people rushed to copy it, and apparently jewelers are getting orders again. Sorry if I didn't state that clearly.

784 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:07:10am

re: #773 iossarian

I do battle every other day with other people's mad ideas about how to store data.

Here are my two golden rules: obey them and you will go far, little software package:

1) If the data validation rules dictate that only valid numbers can be entered, then store the entered values as numbers. NOT TEXT. AND ESPECIALLY NOT TEXT WITH LEADING ZEROS.

2) Entered data is not a date UNLESS I TELL YOU IT IS.

I wrote a routine 10 years ago for dealing with exceptions caused by stupid names like O'Bama.

You just have to instruct SQL to search for O''Bama and all is well. But have to trap that code everytime the DB retrieves somebody's last name.

Or, just tell everybody in the world to remove apostrophes from their names!

785 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:09:37am

re: #759 zora

i think you called this pretty well.

In U.S., Negative Views of the Tea Party Rise to New High

Heh. The true believers, OTOH, remain unmoved. They're convinced they have Obama on the ropes. They're convinced the Tea Party is stronger than ever now and that the Democrats should fear them.

It's a complete cognitive dissonance that can't be overcome. These people are convinced they're on the right side of history and that they will be vindicated as long as the GOP listens to them and panders to them, which the GOP has spent the last three years doing.

786 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:11:22am

This is a Disney Wedding in the sense that the bride was chosen by the prince, and they seem to actually like each other.

Historical precedent was that the royal establishment picked a foreign princess for political purposes and that the prince had no intention of remaining faithful to the young woman.

Pop Quiz: Name the English king who actually loved his wife, despite having met her on the wedding day?

787 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:11:38am
788 Slap  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:12:55am

Morning, Lizardim!

OT, was just in the mood for some rockin'.

Golden Earring, pre-Radar Love -- Buddy Joe

Happy Friday!

And congratulations to Atlanta Falcons fans this AM -- I believe you have just about become unbeatable with that draft move last night.

789 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:13:12am

re: #786 EmmmieG

This is a Disney Wedding in the sense that the bride was chosen by the prince, and they seem to actually like each other.

Historical precedent was that the royal establishment picked a foreign princess for political purposes and that the prince had no intention of remaining faithful to the young woman.

Pop Quiz: Name the English king who actually loved his wife, despite having met her on the wedding day?

Albert!

Oh wait, he was a prince, not a King.

790 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:15:04am

re: #738 iceweasel

Donald Trump Shouts ‘F Word’ Multiple Times In Las Vegas Speech

Because that's the kind of erudite statesman we want representing us on the world stage. =P

791 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:16:15am

re: #790 Lidane

Because that's the kind of erudite statesman we want representing us on the world stage. =P

Stay classy, hairball.

792 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:16:34am

re: #790 Lidane

Because that's the kind of erudite statesman we want representing us on the world stage. =P

China, STFU before I send my military to WTFBBQSAUCEPWN your ass.

793 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:17:55am

re: #792 Varek Raith

China, STFU before I send my military to WTFBBQSAUCEPWN your ass.

And also, LEEEROOOY JEENKIINS!!! LOLWTFOMG.

/Trump

794 zora  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:18:53am

re: #792 Varek Raith

China-bashing Trump's clothing line made in China

Trump has urged Americans to buy less "crap" from China, even as his own line of suits is manufactured there.

[Link: www.salon.com...]

795 The Left  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:19:13am

re: #790 Lidane

Because that's the kind of erudite statesman we want representing us on the world stage. =P

If he were POTUS, they'd play America, FUCK YEAH everytime he entered a room, apparently. /

796 AK-47%  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:19:48am

re: #786 EmmmieG

Pop Quiz: Name the English king who actually loved his wife, despite having met her on the wedding day?

Albert of Saxe-Coburg, a German...

797 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:22:31am

re: #796 ralphieboy

Albert of Saxe-Coburg, a German...

Albert technically wasn't a king, he was Prince Consort, like Philip.

798 blueraven  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:22:41am

Gah! Endeavor launch scratched

799 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:23:31am

re: #798 blueraven

Managers and engineers are discussing an issue with two heaters associated with shuttle Endeavour's Auxiliary Power Unit (APU) 1. The three APUs provide hydraulic power to steer the shuttle’s aerosurfaces during ascent and entry.

800 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:24:22am

re: #799 Varek Raith


Shuttle Launch Director Mike Leinbach has scrubbed today's STS-134 launch attempt because of an issue associated with Auxiliary Power Unit 1 heaters. There will be at least a 48-hour scrub turnaround while engineers assess the issue. NASA Television will air a news conference later this afternoon.
801 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:26:28am

King George III (remember him?)

He actually loved Queen Charlotte, and they had fifteen children together.

Ironically, only one of the sons produced a legitimate heir, Princess Charlotte, who then died giving birth, which touched off a royal crisis.

After a rush by the other middle-aged princes* to actually get married, Princess Alexandrina Victoria was born.

*The crown prince's marriage was a screaming disaster.

802 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:29:13am

Before I head out for the day, may I just say

Donald Trump is a piece of shit, an embarrassment, and a clown.

803 AK-47%  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:29:34am

Another reason Diana was so beloved by the British people: she produced not one but two viable male heirs.

805 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:32:26am

re: #801 EmmmieG

and they had fifteen children together
Contestant on Groucho Marx's You Bet Your Life TV show

Groucho,, "So tell us a little about yourself"
Guest "Well Groucho, I'm married and we have 14 children"
Groucho "14,, how do you explain that?"
Guest" Well Groucho,, I olove my wife"

Groucho " I love my cigar, but I take it out of my mouth every so often!"

806 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:32:37am

The Shuttle isn't gonna launch today. News just came on my radio. I am at a friend's house using his Wifi, he is on the other coast to watch the launch. D'oh!!

807 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:32:57am

re: #804 Varek Raith

Oh Brother. NewsBusters Claims Fox Hosts “Played No Part” In Birther Conspiracy

Incoming ROFLCOPTER!

Pfft. That's a whole swarm of black ROFLcopters coming in. I guess all those conspiracy nuts were right.

///

808 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:33:56am

re: #806 Cannadian Club Akbar

The Shuttle isn't gonna launch today. News just came on my radio. I am at a friend's house using his Wifi, he is on the other coast to watch the launch. D'oh!!

So your bicoastal, huh!

I did not know that about you!

809 The Left  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:34:31am

re: #808 sattv4u2

So your bicoastal, huh!

I did not know that about you!

Maybe he's just bi-coastal curious.

810 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:35:03am

re: #809 iceweasel

Maybe he's just bi-coastal curious.

In bed.
/Retro meme!

811 allegro  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:35:24am

This is actually encouraging, I think. Bigotry and racism is being smacked down in a big way. The "we just want to get tough on illegal immigration" line isn't being bought.

Arizona, Bowing to Business, Softens Stand on Immigration

PDF of letter from businesses:

Last year, boycotts were called against our state’s business community, adversely impacting our already-struggling economy and costing us jobs. Arizona-based businesses saw contracts cancelled or were turned away from bidding. Sales outside of the state declined. Even a business which merely had “Arizona” in its name felt the effects of the boycotts, compelling them to launch an educational campaign about their company’s roots in Brooklyn. It is an undeniable fact that each of our companies and our employees were impacted by the boycotts and the coincident negative image.

812 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:35:38am

re: #809 iceweasel

Maybe he's just bi-coastal curious.

He;ll start slow,,,, just dip his toes in the water, perhaps

813 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:37:42am

Shocka! The Freepers aren't terribly offended by Trump dropping f-bombs everywhere:

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

814 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:37:48am

Wow, everyone is teh funny today!!!

815 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:38:11am

re: #813 Lidane

Shocka! The Freepers aren't terribly offended by Trump dropping f-bombs everywhere:

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

Well no fucking shit!!
//

816 allegro  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:39:04am

re: #813 Lidane

Shocka! The Freepers aren't terribly offended by Trump dropping f-bombs everywhere:

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

They're only offended when a DFH Democrat raises a voice. IOKIYAR

817 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:39:40am

Also, American "Thinker" is bringing in new levels of fail:

Harvard and State Department colluded to get rid of Obama's father

818 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:41:34am

re: #816 allegro

They're only offended when a DFH Democrat raises a voice. IOKIYAR

Fuck you.
-Dick Cheney
///

819 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:43:28am
820 allegro  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:43:53am

re: #818 Cannadian Club Akbar

"It's a big fucking deal!"
--V.P. Biden

Oops... they clutched their little pearls over that.

821 allegro  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:44:50am

re: #819 Varek Raith

It's called a duckling chasing a terrier. :)

822 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:45:32am

re: #821 allegro

It's called a duckling chasing a terrier. :)

Almost like the Republicans pushing around the Democrats...

823 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:47:34am

re: #822 JasonA

Almost like the Republicans pushing around the Democrats...

Or the teabaggers/birthers pushing around the GOP. ;)

824 brennant  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:47:59am

re: #821 allegro

It's called a duckling chasing a terrier. :)

Wonder if that duckling thinks that terrier is its mom?

825 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:48:08am

re: #823 Lidane

Or the teabaggers/birthers pushing around the GOP. ;)

That works too.

826 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:49:40am

re: #824 brennant

Wonder if that duckling thinks that terrier is its mom?

Well, if it barks like a duck and runs like a duck...no, wait...

827 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:49:51am

re: #823 Lidane

Or the teabaggers/birthers pushing around the GOP. ;)

More like this.
;)
Image: a1c99375-d440-4879-921c-a72413085db4.gif

828 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:50:51am

re: #827 Varek Raith

More like this.
;)
Image: a1c99375-d440-4879-921c-a72413085db4.gif

lmao!

829 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:50:53am

re: #826 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well, if it barks like a duck and runs like a duck...no, wait...

That reminds me

Tomorrow ,,, Dinner ,,, Peking Duck

830 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:51:19am

Hamas orders PLO to withdraw its "recognition" of Israel.

Haniyeh said that there was no justification for recognizing the "Israeli entity" in wake of Israel's objection to Palestinian rights and unity.

"Their presence on our land is illegal and cannot be recognized," the Hamas leader said.

Plus: a really cheesy "Royal Wedding" Photoshop spoof.

832 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:51:51am

re: #829 sattv4u2

That reminds me

Tomorrow ,,, Dinner ,,, Peking Duck

OK, but don't try touching my knee under the table again!
/

833 Kragar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:53:40am

re: #832 Cannadian Club Akbar

OK, but don't try touching my knee under the table again!
/

Oh, your knee, and I was impressed there for a minute

834 brennant  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:53:43am

re: #831 Killgore Trout

I would be interesting to see how many conservatives are getting these questions at their own town hall meetings.

835 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:54:03am

re: #832 Cannadian Club Akbar

OK, but don't try touching my knee under the table again!
/

I prefer the breast

OF THE DUCK!!!
get yer mind outta the gutter!!

836 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:54:30am

re: #833 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh, your knee, and I was impressed there for a minute

T'was my Wee Knee.
/

837 Kragar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 9:55:24am

re: #835 sattv4u2

I prefer the breast

OF THE DUCK!!!
get yer mind outta the gutter!!

But I just made my way up to gutter.

838 blueraven  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 10:01:21am

re: #836 Cannadian Club Akbar

T'was my Wee Knee.
/

Groin Groan

839 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 10:02:05am

re: #786 EmmmieG

This is a Disney Wedding in the sense that the bride was chosen by the prince, and they seem to actually like each other.

Historical precedent was that the royal establishment picked a foreign princess for political purposes and that the prince had no intention of remaining faithful to the young woman.

Pop Quiz: Name the English king who actually loved his wife, despite having met her on the wedding day?

George III did, IIRC.

841 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 10:02:43am

Footage taken by my son of funnel cloud forming into twister:

842 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 10:05:55am

re: #840 Lidane

If you can't stand the heat...

843 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 10:05:57am

re: #841 Alouette

I'll chase a hurricane but I won't mess with a tornado.

844 zora  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 10:06:46am

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

Allen West To Town Hall: ‘If You Support Medicare…You Can Kiss The United States Of America Goodbye’

As Republicans across the country face a backlash from voters in their home in their districts for supporting the Medicare-ending GOP budget, Florida Rep. Allen West (R) has attempted to squash protesters and avoid tough questions at his town halls. In Ft. Lauderdale Tuesday, West only answered pre-screened questions that were read aloud by a staffer. In Boca Raton last night, protesters were removed from the town hall before it began.

But the preventive measures didn’t stop West from having to defend his vote last night, telling attendees that those who are fighting to save Medicare as we know it are putting the United States on a path toward destruction:

WEST: I gotta tell you something: if you support Medicare the way it is now, you can kiss the United States of America goodbye.

845 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 10:08:49am

re: #834 brennant

I would be interesting to see how many conservatives are getting these questions at their own town hall meetings.

There's quite a bit of it going on. Paul Ryan had to flee an appearance early yesterday and even left his car behind because of angry constituents.

846 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 10:09:23am

re: #841 Alouette

Footage taken by my son of funnel cloud forming into twister:

[Video]

wow

847 allegro  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 10:09:44am

re: #840 Lidane

But doncha know...

As a result, even I haven't really taken any of these various ruckuses very seriously. They're just too obviously contrived to be our equivalent of the tea party protests. And my guess is that the press is yawning for the same reason. You can't make protest plans in public for a couple of weeks and then turn around and try to convince reporters that this is all a grass roots effort.

See, no one is REALLY upset about the Reps trying to destroy Medicare and give more tax cuts to the rich. It's all fake I tells ya.

848 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 10:09:57am

re: #845 Killgore Trout

It's really funny. That they didn't expect this at all shows how little they really think of the voters.

849 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 10:10:34am

re: #843 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'll chase a hurricane but I won't mess with a tornado.

You can't chase a hurricane. A hurricane chases you.

850 Ericus58  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 10:10:36am

re: #841 Alouette

Footage taken by my son of funnel cloud forming into twister:

[Video]

wow......
I'm sure glad he's safe.

851 brennant  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 10:10:52am

re: #845 Killgore Trout

There's quite a bit of it going on. Paul Ryan had to flee an appearance early yesterday and even left his car behind because of angry constituents.

Is it possible the GOP didn't understand that even though their plan doesn't affect seniors right now, that these seniors still want to keep this program for younger generations? Did they bother to find out, or care?

852 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 10:11:08am

re: #845 Killgore Trout

There's quite a bit of it going on. Paul Ryan had to flee an appearance early yesterday and even left his car behind because of angry constituents.

Heh, what chickenshits.

853 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 10:11:52am
854 Interesting Times  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 10:12:40am

re: #841 Alouette

Footage taken by my son of funnel cloud forming into twister:

[Video]

The way it forms around that laughing-face decoration in the foreground just adds an extra level of creepiness o_O

Glad your son is safe.

855 Big Steve  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 10:13:00am

Dang we are boring this morning compared to yesterday morning

856 Interesting Times  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 10:14:53am

re: #855 Big Steve

Dang we are boring this morning compared to yesterday morning

Boring is good! ^_^ Why else would the phrase "May you live in interesting times" be considered a curse?

857 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 10:15:48am

Ken Cuccinelli Drops Law Firm King & Spalding For Its 'Obsequious Act Of Weakness' On DOMA

Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli (R) is terminating his office's relationship with law firm King & Spalding after the firm decided to drop its defense of the controversial Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) last week.

"King & Spalding's willingness to drop a client, the U.S. House of Representatives, in connection with the lawsuit challenging the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) was such an obsequious act of weakness that I feel compelled to end your legal association with Virginia so that there is no chance that one of my legal clients will be put in the embarrassing and difficult situation like the client you walked away from, the House of Representatives," Cuccinelli wrote to firm partner Joseph Lynch in a letter obtained by the Washington Examiner.

858 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 10:15:51am

re: #851 brennant

Is it possible the GOP didn't understand that even though their plan doesn't affect seniors right now, that these seniors still want to keep this program for younger generations? Did they bother to find out, or care?

It's hard to tell. I think the core mistake was cutting taxes for the rich and cutting services for seniors at the same time. It just looks too bad. They should have spread those proposals out over a few years but having those two positions so obviously connected was a bad move.
The other mistake was not arming their representatives with better talking points to defend the proposals. I don't think they counted on informed voters humiliating them in public like this.


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