Fuck the GOP.
Their actions are pissing me off something fierce.

Bastards.

Wait, why does the post title say "Utah" when the article references Oklahoma?

Unbelievably, something like that occurred last week in the Oklahoma House. Rep. Jason Murphey, R-Guthrie, moved to amend a senior nutrition bill so that it prohibits independent contractors from distributing federal funds for a program that feeds mothers, babies and small children.

re: #3 publicityStunted

Brain fart.

But there's not much difference between Oklahoma and Utah, as far as stuff like this.

The modern GOP is about ideology, and ideology is about abstract concepts: motherhood, marriage, fertility, family. Real people do not play a role in their thinking.

I think they've got Pres. Johnson's war on poverty hopelessly confused with that other one.

Is it better that some guilty should escape lest any innocent be harmed, or better that some innocents be harmed lest any guilty escape?

More and more I come to believe that is the core question. How you answer it determines where you stand in the modern American political arena.

I'm confused. The article linked to mentions Oklahoma, not Utah.

Not that I wouldn't put it past some of the right-wing nuts here in Utah to do it. As a Utahn, I am rarely surprised by some of the nutty things our legislature does in the name of "conservatism"

Heartless scum.

Obviously, if the women couldn't feed the babies on their own, they shouldn't have been following God's Plan to begin with.

Wait a sec...

So the idea is to deny aid to infants as a way of protecting the unborn. Right.

Their logic. It just kills me.

re: #11 elizajane

So the idea is to deny aid to infants as a way of protecting the unborn. Right.

Their logic. It just kills me.

They've been born already, God's plan is done, now they're the parents responsibility.
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IN Gov. Mitch Daniels is put on the spot after GOP legislature moves to defund Planned Parenthood.

Indiana's GOP-led legislature this week passed a bill to make Indiana's abortion restrictions among the strictest in the nation while also eliminating most government funding for Planned Parenthood. Republican Gov. Mitch Daniels, a potential 2012 contender, said this morning that he hasn't decided yet whether or not to sign it into law, the Indianapolis Star reports.

Daniels, who has positioned himself as a fiscal conservative focused on the deficit, created some controversy in 2010 when he called for a "truce" within the Republican party over social issues such as abortion. Whether the governor decides to embrace this conservative bill could signal if he's attempting to get back in the good graces of social conservatives and make a serious bid for the White House.

Daniels has said he would announce whether he was running for president after the Indiana legislative session. The session ends tomorrow, but the governor told the Star he has yet to make up his mind, so he "absolutely" won't be making any announcement this weekend.

The bill that's now heading to Daniels' desk would eliminate $2 million in federal funding that Planned Parenthood receives, funneled through the state (the legislature has no control over an additional $1 million Planned Parenthood in Indiana receives from the federal government). About $1.3 million of that money comes from Medicaid funds allocated for family planning.

No other state bans the use of Medicaid at Planned Parenthood clinics -- in fact, federal law say states cannot pick and choose which health providers receive those Medicaid funds. The Indiana Family and Social Services Administration has expressed concern that if the bill passes, it could lose all of its $4 million in Medicaid family-planning funds, the Indianapolis Star reports, since the bill violates that rule.

Christ! The unutterable cruelty of these people.

re: #13 lawhawk

Daniels, who has positioned himself as a fiscal conservative focused on the deficit....

Daniels is full of crap. How is encouraging people to create more unwanted children (via closing PP) qualify as being "financially conservative"? Won't the resulting increase in primarily low-income children increase the welfare roles and eventually the crime rate? How is that work to save money for the taxpayers?

Did I mention that I think Daniels is full of crap?

re: #15 Surabaya Stew

They have a low-cost solution for dealing with the criminal element:

Soylent Green.

if you submitted A Modest Proposal to a republican legislative committee, they would pass it in short order

re: #7 kirkspencer

Is it better that some guilty should escape lest any innocent be harmed, or better that some innocents be harmed lest any guilty escape?

More and more I come to believe that is the core question. How you answer it determines where you stand in the modern American political arena.

"better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer". Not the GOP philosophy, unfortunately. They are more along the lines of "kill them all, let the Devil sort it out".

To the GOP and Christian™ America, it's a lot more fun to plead for donations and food for other countries, where missionaries distribute food, services, and convert the unwashed.

Actually feeding needy mothers and children here, without the fanfare, opportunity to convert, or earning a merit badge... well that just sucks major dick in comparison.

This is how fucking counterfeit they are. No, they absolutely do not care.

re: #13 lawhawk

IN Gov. Mitch Daniels is put on the spot after GOP legislature moves to defund Planned Parenthood.

This bill also defines life as beginning at conception, and narrows the timeframe in which a woman can have an abortion to 20 weeks. For this as well as the Planned Parenthood issue, the bill is going to have wide ramifications and could include lawsuits, which Daniels would have to back. He's in a really nasty position.

The vote passed in the legislature by a very wide margin. It was Mike Pence who pushed for it. He, I gather, intends to run for governor as a more true Republican than Daniels.

What the hell is wrong with these assholes?

re: #21 HappyWarrior

It started by herding the crazies out to vote for you. It's pretty easy really if you tell them the right things.

Now of course, they've started to take over the asylum.

re: #21 HappyWarrior

What the hell is wrong with these assholes?

Full of crap, as usual. Like Mitch Daniels. Did I mention that already?
:-D

re: #21 HappyWarrior

What the hell is wrong with these assholes?

Not enough sex. Too much Bible. Not enough 2008 Chianti. Too much broccoli. You name it.

re: #24 imp_62

what you don't like broccoli?

Trump went nuts in Vegas today. The Tea Baggers will love it, but it kills him politically. Nothing says presidential like using Fuck in a speech, insulting your allies and using racial stereotypes.

re: #24 imp_62

Not enough sex. Too much Bible. Not enough 2008 Chianti. Too much broccoli. You name it.

As a group, they don't favor broccolli. Or vegetables. Or exercise.

re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Trump went nuts in Vegas today. The Tea Baggers will love it, but it kills him politically. Nothing says presidential like using Fuck in a speech, insulting your allies and using racial stereotypes.

If he were a serious candidate, it would not have happened. He is a self-promoting spotlight whore.

Just more evidence that once you leave the uterus, the gop has no more use for you.

re: #25 windsagio

OT: You should see this if you haven't already. Might make you feel better about certain discussions that have given you issues here in the past :)

re: #25 windsagio

what you don't like broccoli?

I love broccoli, and all vegetables. My love of vegetables is how I came to vote for McCain.

re: #28 imp_62

If he were a serious candidate, it would not have happened. He is a self-promoting spotlight whore.

I kind of don't think the thinks of himself as a serious candidate, this is all promotion for his next project/reality show/whatever.

It never occurs to them how many babies and mothers were saved because of the mother getting help and medical attention from PP. They don't think like that.

re: #30 publicityStunted

I saw it, I think I've been being good!

(Except for the claiming beautiful women thing, that's still soo many kinds of messed up)

re: #33 Cankles McCellulite

It never occurs to them how many babies and mothers were saved because of the mother getting help and medical attention from PP. They don't think like that.

Fixed.

re: #25 windsagio

what you don't like broccoli?

One of the few things I agreed with GHW Bush about.

Is there any chance of getting rid of the Hyde amendment? It's not actually a law, right? I'm still scratching my head as to why some people get to decide where their federal tax dollars are going, while mine seem to get put into a big pile with all the rest.

re: #34 windsagio

I saw it

Ding it up then! I want the Page upding popup to be an alphabetical who's who of every active member here :)

(Except for the claiming beautiful women thing, that's still soo many kinds of messed up)

Sorry, don't know what this is in reference to.

re: #28 imp_62

If he were a serious candidate, it would not have happened. He is a self-promoting spotlight whore.

Oh yeah, this was a "get out of making a serious run" speech, just in time for NBC to announce his show has been picked up for another season.

I just don't understand the Republican party. They make no sense to me.

Can someone explain the logic at work here, if any exists at all?

re: #11 elizajane

So the idea is to deny aid to infants as a way of protecting the unborn. Right.

Their logic. It just kills me.

Babies get much less sacred once they exit the womb.

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re: #40 Lidane

I just don't understand the Republican party. They make no sense to me.

Can someone explain the logic at work here, if any exists at all?

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re: #36 makeitstop

I actually have a lot of love for GHWB. I mean yeah he's a criminal, but he did fairly well with a good mess and made some very sharp decisions at some tough times.

I do like broccoli tho'

re: #39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh yeah, this was a "get out of making a serious run" speech, just in time for NBC to announce his show has been picked up for another season.

And if his poll numbers rise over that speech, I won't know whether to laugh or drink more.

re: #14 Romantic Heretic

Christ! The unutterable cruelty of these people.

collateral damage...onward Christian Soldiers!

re: #44 Lidane

And if his poll numbers rise over that speech, I won't know whether to laugh or drink more.

re: #44 Lidane

And if his poll numbers rise over that speech, I won't know whether to laugh or drink more.

Both.

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

Babies get much less sacred once they exit the womb.

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Once they exit the womb, they are nothing more than future babymakers. This is about the politics of demography and religious fundamentalism.

re: #46 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #44 Lidane

Both.

But not at the same time. Messy.

re: #44 Lidane

And if his poll numbers rise over that speech, I won't know whether to laugh or drink more.

Try gambling and drug use instead. I hear they ease the pain pretty well.
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re: #44 Lidane

I'd presume his polls would be really really flat. There's a certain demo that wants to vote for him, and well they already like him.

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

Babies get much less sacred once they exit the womb.

/

Well thanks to original sin, they're born sinners.

re: #40 Lidane

I just don't understand the Republican party. They make no sense to me.

Can someone explain the logic at work here, if any exists at all?

Scorched Earth politics (literally, given their disdain for all things environmental as well...)

re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Trump went nuts in Vegas today. The Tea Baggers will love it, but it kills him politically. Nothing says presidential like using Fuck in a speech, insulting your allies and using racial stereotypes.

"Practically threatened the Chinese with a tire iron."

Love it.

re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist

Does the man have any strongly held opinions or positions of his own? Or is he just a vast sail that fills with the wind, no matter the direction from which it blows?

re: #54 imp_62

Does the man have any strongly held opinions or positions of his own? Or is he just a vast sail that fills with the wind, no matter the direction from which it blows?

He's full of something.

re: #43 windsagio

I actually have a lot of love for GHWB. I mean yeah he's a criminal, but he did fairly well with a good mess and made some very sharp decisions at some tough times.

I do like broccoli tho'

I rarely agreed with him, but he truly valued diplomacy. As much as I disagreed with Gulf War I, he did it right by sending James Baker out on a plane to build a real coalition.

'Shuttle diplomacy' is now a lost art, sadly.

re: #56 makeitstop

Also he saw what was coming and decided not to invade. As we've seen, smart decision.

re: #51 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Baby's have sinner written all over them. Naked, loud, shit all over themselves then demand someone else clean up the mess. They're shifty lookin' as well.
I don't trust em'.

re: #44 Lidane

And if his poll numbers rise over that speech, I won't know whether to laugh or drink more.

Definitely drink more. I'll bring the good tequilla.

re: #43 windsagio

I actually have a lot of love for GHWB. I mean yeah he's a criminal, but he did fairly well with a good mess and made some very sharp decisions at some tough times.

I do like broccoli tho'

I love broccoli, but as far as I'm concerned, once you're president, you get to decide what you want to eat. Which I think was his only point.

Frankly, GHWB was a man of so little personal vanity--how could anyone deny him the gleeful irresponsibility of not eating broccoli?

re: #54 imp_62

Does the man have any strongly held opinions or positions of his own? Or is he just a vast sail that fills with the wind, no matter the direction from which it blows?

His only strongly held opinion, as far as I can tell, is that Donald Trump is awesome, and should be in charge.

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

Frankly, GHWB was a man of so little personal vanity--how could anyone deny him the gleeful irresponsibility of not eating broccoli?

MY ANCESTORS WERE 15 GENERATIONS OF BROCCOLI FARMERS!!!

No not really >> Its just hilarious to talk about, it was such a weird moment.

Did you know that Japanese slang for vomiting is now something along hte lines of 'pulling a Bush'?

re: #62 windsagio

Did you know that Japanese slang for vomiting is now something along hte lines of 'pulling a Bush'?

I think it was Dave Barry who referred to it as the "International Ralph of Friendship."

re: #62 windsagio

MY ANCESTORS WERE 15 GENERATIONS OF BROCCOLI FARMERS!!!

No not really >> Its just hilarious to talk about, it was such a weird moment.

Did you know that Japanese slang for vomiting is now something along hte lines of 'pulling a Bush'?

Yes. To 'bushururu'.

God, I felt for the poor man. What a nightmare.

Sad. :-/