PDF Documents, OCR, and Conspiracy Theories

You don’t need OCR to get those dreaded ‘layers’
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Let’s get all tech-nerdish for a minute, because I’ve seen an inaccurate statement reported several times now, about the latest inane birth certificate conspiracy theory, most recently at TPMDC: With Drudge Report’s Help, Birthers Latch Onto Phony Forgery Theory.

In fact, the effect was not a sign of foul play at all, but a common attribute of PDF files containing text as an image. On many PDFs, a feature called OCR (optical character recognition) recognizes the letters in the image and separates them into their own layer. This explains why you’re able to highlight and copy raw text from some PDF files even though it’s actually not a word processing document.

As I pointed out yesterday, the OCR setting in Adobe Acrobat is actually irrelevant to this issue; OCR (Optical Character Recognition) has nothing to do with the “layers” you see if you open a PDF file with Adobe Illustrator. Even if you scan a document with OCR turned off (which is the case with the birth certificate PDF released by the White House), these “layers” are still created.

In Portable Document Format, they’re not actually “layers” at all. They’re a result of the method Adobe Acrobat uses to compress and optimize scanned images.

When a PDF document is created from a scanner (even with OCR turned off), areas that contain text are recognized, isolated, and compressed differently than background patterns, lines, and other elements, because different compression algorithms work best for these different types of graphics. When the resulting PDF file is opened with Adobe Illustrator, these elements are interpreted as “layers,” but in terms of the PDF file they’re really not like Illustrator layers at all. The reason for breaking down the image in this fashion is to yield the smallest, most efficient PDF file.

And that’s why, in the White House’s PDF file, the “text” elements are separated (imperfectly) from the background pattern, but remain un-searchable images, not text.

The key point: the layers will still exist, even in documents that don’t use the OCR feature or don’t contain a black President’s birth certificate.

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216 comments
1 freetoken  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:22:34pm
“Komputerz iz hard”

- P. Geller

2 McSpiff  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:24:32pm

Nice clear explanation Charles. Its amazing how much different “stuff” like this is in the PDF format. Its probably one of the most complex file formats out there, right up there with Microsoft’s .docx.

3 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:25:06pm

re: #1 freetoken

Pretty much sums it up.

4 3CPO  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:27:00pm

The people who latch onto this conspiracy theory will understand that explanation about as well as they understand that AGW is real even though it snowed last winter.

5 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:28:08pm

re: #2 McSpiff

Nice clear explanation Charles. Its amazing how much different “stuff” like this is in the PDF format. Its probably one of the most complex file formats out there, right up there with Microsoft’s .docx.

If you guys say so. I trust you,

Me, I know squat about all that stuff, other than to know whatever ‘proof’ a birther has is pretty much an admission of fraud and/or stupid.

6 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:31:54pm

Tricksy n….., I hates him.

7 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:36:11pm

What an embarrassing moment in American political history. I am ashamed of these birther idiots.

8 calochortus  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:36:26pm

re: #5 researchok

What he said.

9 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:36:48pm

Off topic, but the death toll from the outbreak 2 days ago is at 324. At this rate, it will pass the Super Outbreak of 1974 to be come the deadliest outbreak since 1936.

That’s not counting the five killed in the same outbreak 2 days earlier in Arkansas.

10 jaunte  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:37:05pm

This is a sign Bryan (“I am not a Birther”) Nixon probably hasn’t passed the Adobe Expert test in Acrobat. [Link: bryankeithnixon.com…]

11 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:39:08pm

i just realized this may turn out the operate under its own power!

this may be the great conspiracy theory of our lifetime, much like for our parents, it was the kennedy assasination

and 5 more years of obama to go

12 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:39:37pm

hurrumph, layers are for lasagna…

13 windsagio  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:39:58pm

re: #11 WindUpBird

What’s the ‘where were you when the President was shot?’ moment then?

14 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:39:58pm

Honestly? This is hilarious. It just shows how desperate the nirthers are to hang on to their conspiracy.

It also exposes their blatant racism. They’re using their total ignorance of Adobe to back up their total ignorance in life.

15 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:40:00pm

re: #11 WindUpBird

i just realized this may turn out the operate under its own power!

this may be the great conspiracy theory of our lifetime, much like for our parents, it was the kennedy assasination

and 5 more years of obama to go

You don’t think Trump is a viable prospect, then?

16 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:40:16pm

re: #12 brookly red

hurrumph, layers are for lasagna…

and photoshop psds


my favorite was always difference

everything becomes backwards, my favorite digital effect

17 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:40:48pm

re: #16 WindUpBird

not surprising, since I like to argue, hat i’d be heavy heavy into difference mode

18 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:40:55pm

re: #7 Slumbering Behemoth

What an embarrassing moment in American political history. I am ashamed of these birther idiots.

I’m not. Let them keep exposing their bigotry and idiocy to the rest of the country. If that’s what it takes for people to finally get over the fact that there’s a black man in the White House, so be it.

19 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:41:02pm

re: #13 windsagio

What’s the ‘where were you when the President was shot?’ moment then?

9/11, dumbass :D

20 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:41:22pm

re: #13 windsagio

you SET THAT UP FOR ME ON A GOLF TEE

21 windsagio  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:41:35pm

re: #19 WindUpBird

Quiet you.

22 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:42:18pm

re: #21 windsagio

Quiet you.

I’m talking to an old old friend rightnow (sorta) I am in an incrediblty odd mood

23 HAL2010  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:42:37pm

I like layers. For clothes it really does helps with the colouring.

For Presidents Proof of birth?

Mmmh, not so much.

Geller, what a complete tool.

24 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:42:52pm

And on Libya, things in Tripoli are becoming wobbly. From Al Jazeera:

10:52pm
In the capital Tripoli, residents reported rising tensions over fuel shortages, a result of international sanctions imposed on Gadhafi. Witnesses said there have been clashes between residents and troops, some with stones and tear gas, at gas stations in recent days, after security forces tried to cut into huge lines.

This is Tripoli Time Zone, by the way.

25 McSpiff  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:43:13pm

re: #12 brookly red

hurrumph, layers are for lasagna…

Most important question about layers… does the pepperoni go over or under the mozzarella on a pizza?

26 McSpiff  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:43:42pm

re: #22 WindUpBird

I’m talking to an old old friend rightnow (sorta) I am in an incrediblty odd mood

You? Odd? Never!

27 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:43:48pm

Of course if you make a pdf from a postcrpt doc generated from LaTeX with embedded eps images you can get a completely different kind fo creature. If you want forge something in a pdf and not have layers, I think that’s the way to do it.

28 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:45:03pm

re: #25 McSpiff

Most important question about layers… does the pepperoni go over or under the mozzarella on a pizza?

many people have died fighting over that question…

29 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:45:03pm

Super Mario 2 Theme, Fingerstyle and Awesome:

30 HoosierHoops  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:45:09pm

Very interesting about PDF file construction Charles..
Reminds me of those heady days when I played around with VB..Text boxes, Graphic boxes and the like…
Thanks for the background on PDF files…
effen you birthers

31 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:45:28pm

re: #26 McSpiff

You? Odd? Never!

odd for me

it’s like i’m talking to ghosts

32 HAL2010  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:45:30pm

re: #25 McSpiff

Most important question about layers… does the pepperoni go over or under the mozzarella on a pizza?

Implying that you only have one layer of pepperoni and/or mozzarella.

The more the merrier!

33 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:45:53pm

re: #12 brookly red

hurrumph, layers are for lasagna…

I used to love lasagna. Now? Not so much. I’ve just decided that ricotta cheese is the grossest thing ever. It’s got a nasty texture, IMO.

If anyone has a recipe for lasagna that doesn’t use ricotta, that would be awesome.

34 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:45:55pm

What gets me is all the voices, particularly Sully, who were bleating yesterday that “He should have done this sooner.” Why? Because you look and see that, within hours of the release of the fabled “long form,” there were already numerous “experts” on the internet claiming it’s a fake. From “layers” to “phantom numbers” to all other BS. What makes those folks saying he “should” he released it sooner think the same thing wouldn’t have happened then?

35 windsagio  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:46:11pm

re: #31 WindUpBird

odd for me

it’s like i’m talking to ghosts

36 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:46:48pm

re: #26 McSpiff

ever have someone important in your life show up in your life after many years of being 100% off the grid, gone to the zoo, crazy, whatever, just GONE


and then they’re back and they leave a cryptic message and pretend nothing happened?


it’s got me a bit sideways

37 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:46:56pm

re: #34 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What gets me is all the voices, particularly Sully, who were bleating yesterday that “He should have done this sooner.” Why?

Because Sully needs something to complain about. John Cole smacked him down over it, too. It was glorious.

38 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:46:57pm

re: #35 windsagio

good :)

39 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:47:21pm

re: #35 windsagio

it’s like the internet is real life and the afterlife, all mixed together

40 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:47:46pm

not that I want to give anyone any ideas, BUT if I was a prick (OK I am) & I was the prez I would auction off the original paper doc…

41 HAL2010  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:47:51pm

re: #35 windsagio

Ding for NiN!

42 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:48:05pm

re: #39 WindUpBird

it’s like the internet is real life and the afterlife, all mixed together

You should use that in a sig somewheree.

43 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:48:40pm

This is why I only trust original Daguerrotypes.

44 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:48:47pm

re: #34 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What gets me is all the voices, particularly Sully, who were bleating yesterday that “He should have done this sooner.” Why? Because you look and see that, within hours of the release of the fabled “long form,” there were already numerous “experts” on the internet claiming it’s a fake. From “layers” to “phantom numbers” to all other BS. What makes those folks saying he “should” he released it sooner think the same thing wouldn’t have happened then?

It should have stopped after he released the first document. It’s a disgrace, really.

45 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:49:00pm

re: #32 HAL2010

Implying that you only have one layer of pepperoni and/or mozzarella.

The more the merrier!

well actually it is a local custom to stack pizza slices 2 or 3 high & then eat them…

46 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:49:04pm

re: #41 HAL2010

seen NIN live three times, so good live, SO GOOD

He was the master of angst theatrics, all his stunts with tossing mics and braining his musicians, no idea if it was all staged but he nailed it

47 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:49:05pm

re: #37 Lidane

Because Sully needs something to complain about. John Cole smacked him down over it, too. It was glorious.

Yeah, I saw when you posted that, and could do nothing but shake my head. This line of thinking that Obama could have somehow silenced the ODS crowd back in ‘08 or ‘09 by publishing the “long form” is the height of self-delusion.

48 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:49:12pm

re: #43 goddamnedfrank

dittos!

49 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:49:29pm

re: #44 Charles

It should have stopped after he released the first document. It’s a disgrace, really.

It’s a disgrace he had to release the first document.

50 windsagio  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:49:45pm

re: #46 WindUpBird

seen NIN live three times, so good live, SO GOOD

He was the master of angst theatrics, all his stunts with tossing mics and braining his musicians, no idea if it was all staged but he nailed it

And then he turned into some kind of bizarre spectral poet.

Musicians are weird >>

51 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:50:04pm

re: #44 Charles

It should have stopped after he released the first document. It’s a disgrace, really.

Seriously. This nonsense was settled three years ago. The only people who’ve kept it alive are racists.

The rest of the country are finally catching on to that.

52 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:50:04pm

re: #34 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What gets me is all the voices, particularly Sully, who were bleating yesterday that “He should have done this sooner.” Why? Because you look and see that, within hours of the release of the fabled “long form,” there were already numerous “experts” on the internet claiming it’s a fake. From “layers” to “phantom numbers” to all other BS. What makes those folks saying he “should” he released it sooner think the same thing wouldn’t have happened then?

They can’t seem to make up their mind about Obama. Either he’s a criminal mastermind behind a massive plot to hide that he was really born in Kenya or it took him three years to create a terrible forgery that any person with half a brain can tell is fake.

53 HAL2010  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:50:08pm

re: #45 brookly red

well actually it is a local custom to stack pizza slices 2 or 3 high & then eat them…

I applaud your local custom and may have to steal it as my own.

54 3CPO  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:50:12pm

re: #33 Lidane

My brother lived next door to a couple from Italy. They taught us how to make a traditional lasagna using a bechamel sauce instead of cheese. It’s actually quite tasty!

55 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:50:36pm

re: #48 WindUpBird

dittos!

who are you? and what have you done with bird?

56 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:50:40pm

re: #44 Charles

It should have stopped after he released the first document. It’s a disgrace, really.

it’s America


A) we’re uneducated

B) we love mysteries

C) we’re racist


b is critical, this country loves a conspiracy theory, it’s made entire cable channels, conventions, movies, industries

it wants mysteries and intrigue, it wants to be lied to because then the lie can be picked apart and pored over

57 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:51:13pm

re: #50 windsagio

And then he turned into some kind of bizarre spectral poet.

Musicians are weird >>

he moved on

Playing rock and roll is easy as pie, honestly. Eventually you get bored I think

58 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:52:08pm

re: #55 brookly red

who are you? and what have you done with bird?

no I mean DITTOS, as in the plural of a ditto sheet, those blue ink things

Smell is the most tied to memory, a smell will bring you back to a place faster than any other sense

so whenever I smell a ditto sheet, it’s like being in 5th grade again, plinking away at an Apple 2

59 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:52:11pm

re: #50 windsagio

And then he turned into some kind of bizarre spectral poet.

Musicians are weird >>

But are there ponytails involved?

///

60 HAL2010  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:52:37pm

I don’t wish to brag or anything, but I just got myself some milk chocolate.

61 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:52:47pm

re: #53 HAL2010

I applaud your local custom and may have to steal it as my own.

or you can the top one face down and make a sandwich,( trivia: the opening scene of Saturday Night Fever)

62 windsagio  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:53:17pm

re: #58 WindUpBird

Mimeographs.

re: #59 Lidane

More scruffy goth lunatic less hippie >

63 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:53:18pm

re: #59 Lidane

But are there ponytails involved?

///

Jazzy creepy ponytails.

64 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:53:56pm

re: #57 WindUpBird

he moved on

Playing rock and roll is easy as pie, honestly. Eventually you get bored I think

Oh, OK… I though the Rush Babies had you. nevermind.

65 HAL2010  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:54:01pm

re: #61 brookly red

or you can the top one face down and make a sandwich,( trivia: the opening scene of Saturday Night Fever)

Ain’t seen it, but as long as there is pizza, I’m game.

66 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:55:38pm

re: #62 windsagio

Mimeographs.

re: #59 Lidane

More scruffy goth lunatic less hippie >

yeah

I need to shave the sides again. For Bm I think I’m doing some sort of EL wire dread braid thing, not sure how to do it, or if it’ll be too unconfortable having EL wire jacks in my hair for a week, hahahah

67 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:56:05pm

re: #64 brookly red

Oh, OK… I though the Rush Babies had you. nevermind.

Rush is a band!

don’t know anything bout no fat man

68 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:56:49pm

re: #44 Charles

It should have stopped after he released the first document. It’s a disgrace, really.

It should have, it didn’t, and anybody at this point who thinks it would have ended had he released this one 2 years ago is deluding themselves. As we see now, those who aren’t outright declaring it a “fake” have instead decided that his releasing the “long form” means he’s now “obligated” to release other documents, such as his college records.

I agree, it’s a disgrace, one that the rest of the world is no doubt getting a hearty laugh about.

69 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:57:19pm

re: #65 HAL2010

Ain’t seen it, but as long as there is pizza, I’m game.

this place makes me hungry…

70 McSpiff  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:57:46pm

re: #36 WindUpBird

ever have someone important in your life show up in your life after many years of being 100% off the grid, gone to the zoo, crazy, whatever, just GONE

and then they’re back and they leave a cryptic message and pretend nothing happened?

it’s got me a bit sideways

Yes. Happened to me at New Years. I was at my lowest, a whole bunch of friendships had just ended because it turns out I’m an asshole. Out of the blue one my best friends from Junior High who I hadn’t spoken to in maybe a decade messages me basically to say “Hey McSpiff, I love you (platonically). We should be friends again and you should drunk text me”.

I’m not religious, but that girl might be an angel. Got me through an absolutely rough time in my life.

71 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:58:08pm

re: #70 McSpiff

wow :)

72 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:58:34pm

re: #68 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It should have, it didn’t, and anybody at this point who thinks it would have ended had he released this one 2 years ago is deluding themselves. As we see now, those who aren’t outright declaring it a “fake” have instead decided that his releasing the “long form” means he’s now “obligated” to release other documents, such as his college records.

I agree, it’s a disgrace, one that the rest of the world is no doubt getting a hearty laugh about.

we have been keeping them laughing on the regular for a while now :(

73 Lidane  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 3:58:47pm

re: #68 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I agree, it’s a disgrace, one that the rest of the world is no doubt getting a hearty laugh about.

They’re alternatively laughing at us, or confirming their belief that Republicans are crazy.

74 McSpiff  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:00:20pm

re: #71 WindUpBird

wow :)

Hope your reconnection is as fruitful!

75 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:00:57pm

re: #70 McSpiff

I split up with a few people that way about 6-7 years ago because my blogging life was making me into their enemy, espeically their “leader”, their “leader” and I were the worst of enemies because of flamewars, used to be friends

and then I stopped blogging, everything cooled down, then the “leader”had their friend, who was a [redacted] (don’t ask, furries are nuts) but she messaged me on the multi-user game thing we were all in, and said, hey, he wants to know if we can just be friends again.”

and I said hell yeah!

and then we met up (online) and talked for 6 hours

76 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:03:10pm

re: #63 Charles

Jazzy creepy ponytails.

I resemble that remark.

77 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:03:18pm

re: #74 McSpiff

Hope your reconnection is as fruitful!

I have a feeling it won’t be, it’s a friend who is already sort of her own person and really DOES still want to stay off the grid


but it’s cool knowing she thinks of me

78 windsagio  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:03:19pm

re: #75 WindUpBird

people grow up, its funny. The surprise is how long it takes sometimes :D

(and I mean all of us of course :p)

79 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:03:37pm

re: #75 WindUpBird

I split up with a few people that way about 6-7 years ago because my blogging life was making me into their enemy, espeically their “leader”, their “leader” and I were the worst of enemies because of flamewars, used to be friends

and then I stopped blogging, everything cooled down, then the “leader”had their friend, who was a [redacted] (don’t ask, furries are nuts) but she messaged me on the multi-user game thing we were all in, and said, hey, he wants to know if we can just be friends again.”

and I said hell yeah!

and then we met up (online) and talked for 6 hours

I can’t imagine you say any thing to piss someone off…

80 jaunte  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:04:45pm

re: #73 Lidane

They’re alternatively laughing at us, or confirming their belief that Republicans are crazy.

Good link; you should make a page of it!

Hari: Trump probably won’t become the Republican nominee, but not because most Republicans reject his premises. No: it will be because he states these arguments too crudely for mass public consumption. He takes the whispered dogmas of the Reagan, Bush and Tea Party years and shrieks them through a megaphone. The nominee will share similar ideas, but express them more subtly. In case you think these ideas are marginal to the party, remember - it has united behind the budget plan of Wisconsin Representative Paul Ryan. It’s simple: it halves taxes on the richest 1 percent and ends all taxes on corporate income, dividends, and inheritance. It pays for it by slashing spending on food stamps, healthcare for the poor and the elderly, and basic services.

81 McSpiff  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:05:27pm

re: #77 WindUpBird

I have a feeling it won’t be, it’s a friend who is already sort of her own person and really DOES still want to stay off the grid

but it’s cool knowing she thinks of me

Just losing that weight off your shoulders (if there was any, was for me) is a great feeling.

82 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:05:33pm

re: #79 brookly red

I can’t imagine you say any thing to piss someone off…

Imagine two of me :) Two of me that hated each others guts

he is a lot like me, a much better writer, and but less of a “doer”, more of a philosopher/poet/shutin/weirdo (and he’d agree, hahaha we know our faults)

83 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:05:42pm

re: #81 McSpiff

Just losing that weight off your shoulders (if there was any, was for me) is a great feeling.

it so is *_*

84 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:07:03pm

re: #82 WindUpBird

Imagine two of me :) Two of me that hated each others guts

he is a lot like me, a much better writer, and but less of a “doer”, more of a philosopher/poet/shutin/weirdo (and he’d agree, hahaha we know our faults)

Seroquel 100mg, twice daily with a meal… you should be fine.

85 McSpiff  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:08:30pm

re: #83 WindUpBird

it so is *_*

<sappy mode>

She was actually the friend that gave me the nickname spiffy YEARS ago, which mutated into McSpiff over the years. I kept using it because it felt like the last bit of connection we had.

</sappy mode>

And thats the story of my nickname.

86 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:08:35pm

re: #11 WindUpBird

i just realized this may turn out the operate under its own power!

this may be the great conspiracy theory of our lifetime, much like for our parents, it was the kennedy assasination

and 5 more years of obama to go

Yes, but Kennedy actually was assassinated. That’s an unusual event.

A baby being born in a hospital is not an unusual event.

87 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:09:32pm

re: #14 Lidane

Honestly? This is hilarious. It just shows how desperate the nirthers are to hang on to their conspiracy.

It also exposes their blatant racism. They’re using their total ignorance of Adobe to back up their total ignorance in life.

Well, you do remember the “Applause” commands at the Arizona memorial service.

88 windsagio  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:09:55pm

re: #85 McSpiff

We knew a spiffy >> You’re not from seattle, right?

89 McSpiff  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:11:53pm

re: #88 windsagio

We knew a spiffy >> You’re not from seattle, right?

Nope, from Halifax

90 windsagio  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:12:16pm

re: #89 McSpiff

ok whew that woujld be weird.

91 McSpiff  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:12:46pm

re: #90 windsagio

ok whew that woujld be weird.

Shoulda messed with ya

92 albusteve  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:15:12pm

what was the question again?

93 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:15:54pm

Two things:

One of the dudes screaming about the fact that the stamped dates appear as “layers” should have noticed that one of those layers included other text. (On the one I saw, at least.) If it were put in separately, how come it contained half of a word above it?

Secondly, if the stamped numbers were extremely even, that would be weird. It’s hard to get stamps to appear evenly, and common for one part to have more ink than the others.

At least, this is my experience.

94 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:16:32pm

Also, just so you know, the internet is now saying that Princess Beatrice has revealed herself to be the High Priestess of Cthulu with that hat.

95 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:17:16pm

re: #93 EmmmieG

Two things:

One of the dudes screaming about the fact that the stamped dates appear as “layers” should have noticed that one of those layers included other text. (On the one I saw, at least.) If it were put in separately, how come it contained half of a word above it?

Secondly, if the stamped numbers were extremely even, that would be weird. It’s hard to get stamps to appear evenly, and common for one part to have more ink than the others.

At least, this is my experience.

I have an extra layer too.

I assure you it has nothing to do with birthers.

96 HoosierHoops  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:17:51pm

re: #92 albusteve

what was the question again?

97 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:18:35pm

re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, but Kennedy actually was assassinated. That’s an unusual event.

A baby being born in a hospital is not an unusual event.

It doesn’t matter

All that matters is that the culture grows around the conspiracy

98 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:18:56pm

re: #92 albusteve

what was the question again?

do you want fries with that?

99 windsagio  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:19:55pm

re: #97 WindUpBird

but wait, I just realized… what about truthers?

Maybe they’ll eventually merge together. Seems like 9/11 is the conspiracy preferred by the young, and birtherism is the conspiracy favored by the old.

100 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:20:37pm

How can people be so fucking ignorant?

Ah rhetorical.

Not even going to try, it is officially my weekend.

101 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:20:42pm

re: #97 WindUpBird

It doesn’t matter

All that matters is that the culture grows around the conspiracy

Conspiracy theories exist for two reasons:

People want to believe they would be in control of their lives if it weren’t for some conspiracy

Or

People do not want to believe they and they alone are responsible for the choices and quality of their lives. They fear randomness.

102 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:21:05pm

re: #100 Stanley Sea

How can people be so fucking ignorant?

Ah rhetorical.

Not even going to try, it is officially my weekend.

“Let me count the ways…”

103 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:21:24pm

re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist

if the culture grows enough around the conspiracy, you have a JFK thing

and if this birther thing continues to grow (and I DO NOT BELIEVE IT WILL GO AWAY) you have another thing like that

don’t even think about whether its rational, that is totally immaterial to what I’m talking about :-) UFO freaks, think about them. I bet ya the same people who are birhters, many are UFO freaks, or have other conspiratorial solitary interests

104 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:22:04pm

re: #99 windsagio

but wait, I just realized… what about truthers?

Maybe they’ll eventually merge together. Seems like 9/11 is the conspiracy preferred by the young, and birtherism is the conspiracy favored by the old.

/time will show that truthers grow into birthers…

105 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:22:40pm

re: #101 researchok

Conspiracy theories exist for two reasons:

People want to believe they would be in control of their lives if it weren’t for some conspiracy

Or

People do not want to believe they and they alone are responsible for the choices and quality of their lives. They fear randomness.

I think the thrid reason is it simply tickles the imagination

I’m fascinated by them, and I am neither

106 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:26:33pm

re: #103 WindUpBird

if the culture grows enough around the conspiracy, you have a JFK thing

and if this birther thing continues to grow (and I DO NOT BELIEVE IT WILL GO AWAY) you have another thing like that

don’t even think about whether its rational, that is totally immaterial to what I’m talking about :-) UFO freaks, think about them. I bet ya the same people who are birhters, many are UFO freaks, or have other conspiratorial solitary interests

Can I blame Hollywood? everything from China Syndrome to The Matrix is one big conspiracy…

107 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:26:59pm

Listening to American and Canadian rabid right wing nonsense is adding to an already deep depression.

I’m going to bugger off for a while.

Enjoy life my friends, it’s probably the only one you have.

108 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:27:19pm

re: #103 WindUpBird

if the culture grows enough around the conspiracy, you have a JFK thing

and if this birther thing continues to grow (and I DO NOT BELIEVE IT WILL GO AWAY) you have another thing like that

don’t even think about whether its rational, that is totally immaterial to what I’m talking about :-) UFO freaks, think about them. I bet ya the same people who are birhters, many are UFO freaks, or have other conspiratorial solitary interests

It’s entered the meta.

De-facto there are now and have been for a while “questions”. The media does not help by reporting these “questions” - “questions” is such an insidious and nebulous phrase.

109 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:28:30pm

re: #104 brookly red

/time will show that truthers grow into birthers…

it’s all the same energy

Trutherism is EXACTLY that, because 9/11 is a rich mine for ginning oneself about conspiracy


Are they scumbags? Some are. Some are just like JFK guys, they dove into it

*I* dove into it for a while, not because I believed it, but because a radio host I liked talked about it a lot, and he just made it interesting to dig further

but eventually it’s all just crazy linking to crazy about building 9 and did Cheney order our own plane shot down and you’ve reached the bottom of the digital well, and it’s nothing but increasingly aggrvating and implausible nonsense peddled by frustrated people with menial jobs

110 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:29:30pm

Has anyone posted the clip from the Oprah show of POTUS & FLOTUS talking about the birth cert?

[Link: thenewcivilrightsmovement.com…]

111 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:30:16pm

re: #108 wozzablog

It’s entered the meta.

De-facto there are now and have been for a while “questions”. The media does not help by reporting these “questions” - “questions” is such an insidious and nebulous phrase.

quetsions are an expression of mystery

because if there are questions, maybe there’s an “answer” it’s all just tickling the mind, because everything cant be known

the journey is the destination, and so on

112 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:30:31pm

re: #107 b_sharp

every day!

113 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:31:37pm

re: #106 brookly red

Can I blame Hollywood? everything from China Syndrome to The Matrix is one big conspiracy…

it’s been around since befor ehollywood, but hollywood certainly aids it

novels aid it far far more

if you’re going to blame anyone, blame authors


but it’s not kosher to blame authors, because we respect books more than film, film is trash, but reading is fundamental

114 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:32:10pm

re: #106 brookly red

also, the Matrix is an awful movie for the plot

good for the video game violence, but it’s just nothing but bad writing

115 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:33:07pm

re: #105 WindUpBird

I think the thrid reason is it simply tickles the imagination

I’m fascinated by them, and I am neither

Right- but you are not obsessed by them.

116 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:33:43pm

There’s a story coming out of Misrata about some badass French Bloggers:

12:47am
A group of French bloggers have travelled to the shell-shocked city of Misurata in western Libya to support the anti-government movement. They said in an email statement:

We came here to support this revolution … supporting the people alse means taking on their risks.

The group said they were also in Misurata for their friend, Baptiste Dubonnet, who nearly lost his life in the fighting when he took a bullet to the neck. Doctors in Benghazi said Dubonnet’s injuries were severe enough to cause paralysis.

117 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:33:54pm

re: #113 WindUpBird

it’s been around since befor ehollywood, but hollywood certainly aids it

novels aid it far far more

if you’re going to blame anyone, blame authors

but it’s not kosher to blame authors, because we respect books more than film, film is trash, but reading is fundamental

OK… I ‘ll blame the authors, books burn better than movies anyhow :P

118 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:34:16pm

re: #111 WindUpBird

quetsions are an expression of mystery

because if there are questions, maybe there’s an “answer” it’s all just tickling the mind, because everything cant be known

the journey is the destination, and so on

and it does not help when the conspiracy types disbelieve not just Obama - but the entire US bureaucracy upto and including state governors of BOTH parties.

There never have been “questions” - but the media reporting “questions” as opposed to just a news ticker scrolling “he is american, born in hawaii” for the last 3 years hasn’t done a damn thing for the country.

119 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:35:30pm

re: #115 researchok

And your life does not revolve around them.

You can separate fact from fiction.

The nut jobs are dominated by their obsessions

120 albusteve  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:35:37pm

potato juice and Gatorade….you can stumble with much more energy

121 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:36:02pm

Las Vegas Sun: Donald Trump’s birther shtick had to be a leftist plot

I can’t tell if this is serious or not.

122 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:36:09pm

re: #118 wozzablog

and it does not help when the conspiracy types disbelieve not just Obama - but the entire US bureaucracy upto and including state governors of BOTH parties.

There never have been “questions” - but the media reporting “questions” as opposed to just a news ticker scrolling “he is american, born in hawaii” for the last 3 years hasn’t done a damn thing for the country.

their all crooks… the original conspiracy.

123 windsagio  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:37:26pm

re: #113 WindUpBird

Everyone should be forced to read Foucalt’s Pendulum.

124 albusteve  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:37:52pm

re: #123 windsagio

Everyone should be forced to read Foucalt’s Pendulum.

okay Adolf

125 windsagio  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:37:55pm

re: #121 Conservative Moonbat

“it’s a plot! They’re actually plants!” Always makes me snicker so hard :D

126 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:38:19pm

re: #123 windsagio

Everyone should be forced to read Foucalt’s Pendulum.

nobody should be forced to read anything.

127 windsagio  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:38:28pm

re: #124 albusteve

That’s Mr. Hitler to you.

128 windsagio  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:38:49pm

re: #127 windsagio

also are you guys mindlinked or something? It’s kinda creepy :p

129 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:39:06pm

re: #126 brookly red

nobody should be forced to read anything.

Tell that to my 10th grade teacher.

130 albusteve  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:40:02pm

re: #126 brookly red

nobody should be forced to read anything.

especially speed limit signs…I just came back from a cool short road trip in my exwife’s Mini S….speed limits are for old ladies and kids

131 albusteve  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:41:35pm

warp factor 6 Mr Albu

132 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:44:07pm

re: #131 albusteve

warp factor 6 Mr Albu

I cannae do it, captain!

133 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:44:36pm

re: #129 EmmmieG

Tell that to my 10th grade teacher.

and todays reading assignment is layers 3,4,and 5… there will be a quiz.

134 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:45:42pm

re: #131 albusteve

warp factor 6 Mr Albu

Ack! treckies! loose the dogs!

135 maxwellp  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:46:33pm

Hopefully this will set Karl Denninger, the market ticker, straight. The Market Ticker is calling anyone who disagrees with his analysis of these docs an obabot. I usually like the market ticker when he deals with economics. I don’t know why he jumped into this.

136 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:46:53pm

My social/sports club had an event for the wedding today - the club raised a lot of money for renovations on the 1920’s building and by serving bar at 10am I had a reason not to be in the TV lounge with the women folk cooing over the dress.


Peace, out.

137 Kronocide  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:48:01pm

Facking layers, how do they work?

138 albusteve  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:48:12pm

re: #134 brookly red

Ack! treckies! loose the dogs!

SHIELDS UP!

139 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:48:43pm

re: #138 albusteve

SHIELDS UP!

Set phasers to “heel.”

140 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:49:42pm

re: #136 wozzablog

My social/sports club had an event for the wedding today - the club raised a lot of money for renovations on the 1920’s building and by serving bar at 10am I had a reason not to be in the TV lounge with the women folk cooing over the dress.

Peace, out.

I thought the dress was horrible. Like some Texas fundie girl bought a prom gown off the rack and sewed some lace sleeves on it.

141 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:49:52pm

re: #138 albusteve

re: #139 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

security to the day room please…

142 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:50:21pm

re: #140 Alouette

I thought the dress was horrible. Like some Texas fundie girl bought a prom gown off the rack and sewed some lace sleeves on it.

What would you have chosen?

(I’m so happy it had sleeves that I don’t care, actually.)

143 albusteve  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:50:42pm

re: #139 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Set phasers to “heel.”

aha!…winner
I know almost nothing about Star Trek, a cannot seem to make a cannon out of a hollow log, a rock, and various minerals laying around

144 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:51:54pm

re: #140 Alouette

I thought the dress was horrible. Like some Texas fundie girl bought a prom gown off the rack and sewed some lace sleeves on it.

Never saw it. And I won’t be reading any of the newspapers tomorrow or opening any internet windows that aren’t LGF or sports :p

I won’t be able to avoid discussion or footage of the event for the rest of my natural, but I’m giving it a damn good go,

145 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:52:37pm

re: #144 wozzablog

Never saw it. And I won’t be reading any of the newspapers tomorrow or opening any internet windows that aren’t LGF or sports :p

I won’t be able to avoid discussion or footage of the event for the rest of my natural, but I’m giving it a damn good go,

You’re male, aren’t you? I told my husband it was okay if he didn’t care about the wedding, on account of his being a guy.

146 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:53:11pm

re: #137 BigPapa

Facking layers, how do they work?

OK first you line the (oiled) pan with the noodles…

147 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:53:26pm

re: #140 Alouette

I thought the dress was horrible. Like some Texas fundie girl bought a prom gown off the rack and sewed some lace sleeves on it.

I AGREE. So disappointed. She also looks totally stressed thin.

But Pippa her sister! Beauty!

And the hats, the freaking hats. I wish to hell we wore them here. I loved Victoria Beckhams, I’m sure it’s getting grief, but I loved it.

I’m a chick, I can comment, so there.

148 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:53:38pm

re: #146 brookly red

OK first you line the (oiled) pan with the noodles…

First you go to Costco, then you find the frozen food section…

149 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:54:06pm

re: #145 EmmmieG

You’re male, aren’t you? I told my husband it was okay if he didn’t care about the wedding, on account of his being a guy.

I am most decidedly a member of the considerably less fair gender.

150 albusteve  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:54:12pm

re: #147 Stanley Sea

I AGREE. So disappointed. She also looks totally stressed thin.

But Pippa her sister! Beauty!

And the hats, the freaking hats. I wish to hell we wore them here. I loved Victoria Beckhams, I’m sure it’s getting grief, but I loved it.

I’m a chick, I can comment, so there.

hurl

151 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:54:29pm

re: #148 EmmmieG

First you go to Costco, then you find the frozen food section…

Costco fan here! market solutions work.

152 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:54:54pm

re: #147 Stanley Sea

I AGREE. So disappointed. She also looks totally stressed thin.

But Pippa her sister! Beauty!

And the hats, the freaking hats. I wish to hell we wore them here. I loved Victoria Beckhams, I’m sure it’s getting grief, but I loved it.

I’m a chick, I can comment, so there.


Posh’s hat was awesome. I also like what Princess Eugenie was wearing, but I’m not sure anyone else did.

The Middletons looked perfect for their roles in all of this.

153 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:55:32pm

Really, really, really really gone now :p

far too long a day.

154 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:55:35pm

re: #149 wozzablog

I am most decidedly a member of the considerably less fair gender.

You have our permission to ignore the rest of the discussion. Seriously, if weddings were up to grooms…forget it. I’m not finishing that sentence.

155 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:56:08pm

re: #152 EmmmieG

Posh’s hat was awesome. I also like what Princess Eugenie was wearing, but I’m not sure anyone else did.

The Middletons looked perfect for their roles in all of this.

I don’t know… I have this deep rooted American dis-like for the concept of royalty

156 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:56:50pm

re: #155 brookly red

I don’t know… I have this deep rooted American dis-like for the concept of royalty

I don’t have a problem with royalty.

Somewhere else.

Telling people who are not me what to do.

Otherwise they should look good, and occasionally break into song or something.

157 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:57:18pm

re: #154 EmmmieG

You have our permission to ignore the rest of the discussion. Seriously, if weddings were up to grooms…forget it. I’m not finishing that sentence.

Does not even bear thinking about.

There is a show on one of the minor BBC channels about grooms planning weddings - never watched any more than the occasional shot of the woman in tears and what seemed to be an imminent annulment or divorce proceedings.

158 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:59:15pm

re: #142 EmmmieG

What would you have chosen?

(I’m so happy it had sleeves that I don’t care, actually.)

Elegant, classic lace wedding gown, with sleeves

159 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 4:59:20pm

re: #115 researchok

Right- but you are not obsessed by them.

true

160 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:00:13pm

re: #155 brookly red

I don’t know… I have this deep rooted American dis-like for the concept of royalty

Royalty is only aristocracy done good.

Aristocracy is comprised of people who believe that you win at life by dying with the most stuff and handing it down to your kids.

95% of the wealth in America is in the hands of a tiny minority at the top. You pretty much have to go back to the time of serfdom and tsars to see such a thin spread of capital across an economy.

161 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:00:20pm

re: #156 EmmmieG

I don’t have a problem with royalty.

Somewhere else.

Telling people who are not me what to do.

Otherwise they should look good, and occasionally break into song or something.

1,2,3,4! God save the queen
We mean it man
And there is no future
In England’s dreaming

No future, no future,
No future for you
No future, no future,
No future for me

like that?

162 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:00:59pm

I like this one.

Reminds me of a canoe going over a waterfall

163 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:02:04pm

re: #158 Alouette

omg, is that you? beautiful.

164 albusteve  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:02:51pm

re: #158 Alouette

Elegant, classic lace wedding gown, with sleeves

you married Wyatt Earp?….how cool is that!

165 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:03:03pm

re: #160 wozzablog

Royalty is only aristocracy done good.

Aristocracy is comprised of people who believe that you win at life by dying with the most stuff and handing it down to your kids.

95% of the wealth in America is in the hands of a tiny minority at the top. You pretty much have to go back to the time of serfdom and tsars to see such a thin spread of capital across an economy.

I don’t mind a successful person passing it on to their kids… (ban the inheritance tax!) but the concept of ruling? the is revolting.

166 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:03:17pm

re: #158 Alouette

Elegant, classic lace wedding gown, with sleeves

I like that (and, to be clear, my daughter could never wear what she wore because of the sheer issue. My daughter could and probably will wear something more like what you posted.)

The dress was going to have to be big on bottom because of the size of the abbey. It had to be a cathedral-sized dress with a mongo train.

The problem with wedding dresses is that they don’t photograph well because of the white-on-white issue. I guess that hundreds of hours went into the embroidery on the bottom of the dress, which we can’t really see in the photographs.

167 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:05:15pm

I wanted the dress to be more modern. Instead they went for the boring, follow the rules blah.

Oh well, they’ll be well behaved royals. Boring!!!

Sorry Steve!

168 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:05:32pm

Ack! the royal wedding! God forgive me but can’t we go back to defending Obama!

169 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:05:39pm

re: #163 Stanley Sea

omg, is that you? beautiful.

That’s my son and daughter-in-law.

170 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:05:50pm

re: #167 Stanley Sea

I wanted the dress to be more modern. Instead they went for the boring, follow the rules blah.

Oh well, they’ll be well behaved royals. Boring!!!

Sorry Steve!

Oh, I guess we need for Princess Beatrice to get married.

That will be exciting.

171 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:07:10pm

re: #168 brookly red

Ack! the royal wedding! God forgive me but can’t we go back to defending Obama!

Sure

I like portrait necklines.

172 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:08:06pm

re: #171 EmmmieG

BTW, I’m not sure I’ll believe they’re married until I see the marriage certificate. Long form.

Those photos could be forgeries.

173 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:08:11pm

re: #171 EmmmieG

Sure

I like portrait necklines.

someday I will get you for that ;)

174 webevintage  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:08:51pm

re: #170 EmmmieG

Oh, I guess we need for Princess Beatrice to get married.

That will be exciting.

Her hat was the best kind of batshit because she was right behind the bride and you could see it no matter what.
I’d say her mother suggested it except on Easter she wore a little bowler hat attached to her forehead with a bow that looked like bunny ears.

175 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:12:40pm

re: #171 EmmmieG

Sure

I like portrait necklines.

She’s got the shoulders for that dress!

Am I the only one who thinks 5” heels should go the way of the whalebone corset? (Which are totally gone, I hope, but should not assume…)

176 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:13:46pm

re: #166 EmmmieG

The problem with wedding dresses is that they don’t photograph well because of the white-on-white issue. I guess that hundreds of hours went into the embroidery on the bottom of the dress, which we can’t really see in the photographs.

I don’t know if this will help you but I have some thoughts about this.

Photographing low contrast details or finely textured patterns can be difficult. Flashes (at least coming from the direction of the camera) don’t help because they tend to flatten relief and blow out highlights and bright areas (white areas particularly). Diffuse lighting doesn’t help either because it removes the relief created by shadows. For the most relief and contrast I’d start with something like a wide angle lens up close (unless background and foreground separation is important, then just a normal lens) and use directional lighting.

177 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:14:07pm

re: #170 EmmmieG

Oh, I guess we need for Princess Beatrice to get married.

That will be exciting.

No doubt. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree and all that.

178 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:14:39pm

re: #171 EmmmieG

Sure

I like portrait necklines.

For the win!

179 Buck  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:15:31pm

One of the best demonstrations of this is to scan a page from a paperback book, and then print it onto paper that has some kind of background already printed onto it.

You can also see it if you scan (using an Adobe product, I used Adobe Acrobat Pro 9) a blank cheque.

180 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:15:32pm

Charles! I never ask anything of you, please, please do a royal wedding thread and give us some cover!

181 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:15:55pm

re: #175 wrenchwench

She’s got the shoulders for that dress!

Am I the only one who thinks 5” heels should go the way of the whalebone corset? (Which are totally gone, I hope, but should not assume…)

Those chicks are going to end up with deformed feet.

182 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:16:03pm

Richard Thompson — Nobody’s Wedding

183 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:17:17pm

re: #181 Stanley Sea

Those chicks are going to end up with deformed feet.

Not feet. Tendons. Women who wear heels constantly can end up with foreshortened tendons. Or so I’ve heard. I stay away from heels higher than 3”.

184 Interesting Times  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:21:11pm

re: #183 EmmmieG

Not feet. Tendons. Women who wear heels constantly can end up with foreshortened tendons.

I remember a woman on a forum I used to read who said she had that exact problem - so much so that she can’t wear flats.

185 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:21:41pm

layers! layers! birthers, tea party, something! anything but this… Palin, Global Warming! ANYTHING!

186 researchok  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:25:06pm

re: #183 EmmmieG

Not feet. Tendons. Women who wear heels constantly can end up with foreshortened tendons. Or so I’ve heard. I stay away from heels higher than 3”.

me too
/

187 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:26:15pm

re: #185 brookly red

layers! layers! birthers, tea party, something! anything but this… Palin, Global Warming! ANYTHING!

Back to serious shit, this totally has to do with my new icon Brookly

188 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:27:19pm
189 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:27:24pm
190 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:27:38pm

re: #188 EmmmieG

You are a very bad girl.

Hey, it was one of the first images found!!!!

191 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:28:08pm

re: #187 Stanley Sea

Back to serious shit, this totally has to do with my new icon Brookly

/Ga Ga would be proud of you…

192 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:29:06pm

I’d hang out with someone wearing a uterus hat over someone wearing an asshat any day.

193 brookly red  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:29:53pm

re: #192 prononymous

I’d hang out with someone wearing a uterus hat over someone wearing an asshat any day.

multi tasking = wearing many hats.

194 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:31:34pm

re: #193 brookly red

I wear 3 hats at all times. Black, white and grey.

195 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:35:14pm

re: #80 jaunte

Good link; you should make a page of it!

I’m going to disagree strongly with that article. Trump differs greatly from most of the Republican Party, or at least those parts of the party that retain firm moorings (though in the case of SoCons those moorings can themselves be problematic). Trump hasn’t been a friend of private property (except his own) and has abused powers of eminent domain to outrageous ends (whatever we here think “the public good” means, we’d clearly agree it does not encompass taking the home of an elderly widow to build a limo parking lot, which Donald Trump once tried to do), nor does he ascribe to the ‘moral values’ of social conservatives nor still the ‘intervene and improve’ values of so-called neo-conservatives.

Trump’s base of support is people who have made a fetish of being anti-establishment. They like Trump because they see him opposed to an establishment they find corrupt, a sentiment only heighten by the budget compromise. Many in the Tea Party expected a revolution, only to find out that the structure of American government and the Democrats’ holding the Senate precluded them getting the results they wanted. When John Boener (who understands these political realities) cut a deal rather than forcing a pointless shutdown which would only hurt the Republican Party and the nation, these anti-establishment people felt betrayed. And so they have turned to a man they see as divorced from a political establishment they hold in hostility.

196 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:37:03pm

re: #195 Dark_Falcon

The Carnival Barker has to be marginalized by the GOP. We will just make fun of him, but the GOP has to do something or they are in big big trouble.

And we all are as a result.

197 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:37:45pm

re: #195 Dark_Falcon

Oh! And the Washington Post’s table at the Correspondence dinner? Boehner and Trump.

GAH TO THE GAH

198 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:39:51pm

re: #197 Stanley Sea

Oh! And the Washington Post’s table at the Correspondence dinner? Boehner and Trump.

GAH TO THE GAH

When was that?

199 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:41:04pm

re: #198 Dark_Falcon

When was that?

It’s coming up. Not sure.

200 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:42:13pm

re: #199 Stanley Sea

It’s coming up. Not sure.

Oh. I don’t know what to make of that, so I’m going to decline comment on it for now

201 jaunte  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:43:11pm

re: #195 Dark_Falcon

I think Hari is absolutely correct about the denial of reality being a problem with most of the Republican base and those who (in the form to the Tea party) are still more interested in throwing an emotional tantrum than working to solve the country’s problems. The reactions of the voter base may not represent the thinking of the party itself, but the party leaders are not doing much to bring them back to the real world.

202 jaunte  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:43:39pm

pimf: in the form of

203 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:46:31pm

re: #201 jaunte

I think Hari is absolutely correct about the denial of reality being a problem with most of the Republican base and those who (in the form to the Tea party) are still more interested in throwing an emotional tantrum than working to solve the country’s problems. The reactions of the voter base may not represent the thinking of the party itself, but the party leaders are not doing much to bring them back to the real world.

Politicians don’t think much in terms of bring an angry base to heel. Those in the House, like John Boener cannot do so most of the time because their terms are too short. Senators sometimes can, but only early in their terms when the resultant butthurt has time to fade.

204 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 5:46:37pm

re: #200 Dark_Falcon

Oh. I don’t know what to make of that, so I’m going to decline comment on it for now

It’s the famous Correspondent’s dinner. It’s in the future, but the tables have been set. The ultimate irony.

I hate Donald Trump and his keeping his name in the spotlight via racism. HATE HIM AND IT. Really.

But he is getting legitimate in the GOP, and I’m very disturbed.

205 sod  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:14:07pm

Good zinger at the end.

206 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:42:16pm

Reading this post brought back memories of the Killian memos, which were also scrutinized to an insane level.

207 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:59:10pm

re: #204 Stanley Sea

It’s the famous Correspondent’s dinner. It’s in the future, but the tables have been set. The ultimate irony.

I hate Donald Trump and his keeping his name in the spotlight via racism. HATE HIM AND IT. Really.

But he is getting legitimate in the GOP, and I’m very disturbed.

well, we elected nixon

208 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 6:59:42pm

re: #200 Dark_Falcon

Oh. I don’t know what to make of that, so I’m going to decline comment on it for now

Trump is trolling the party


But maybe the joke will become real

209 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:07:17pm

re: #206 dragonfire1981

Reading this post brought back memories of the Killian memos, which were also scrutinized to an insane level.

What we should and ought to have learned by now is that with today’s technology, we need people who really understand the software and the capability of computers to change software to analyze both images and documents. It became easy to fake documents and pictures, but it is also easy to detect those, if you know what the software can do.

Me? I’m happy I know how to use print preview.

210 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:22:15pm

re: #140 Alouette

I thought the dress was horrible. Like some Texas fundie girl bought a prom gown off the rack and sewed some lace sleeves on it.

I thought it was fine.

Her sister’s dress was very pretty, although I think it could have stood to be some higher in the cleavage.

211 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:22:54pm

re: #145 EmmmieG

You’re male, aren’t you? I told my husband it was okay if he didn’t care about the wedding, on account of his being a guy.

Ha! My husband was the one who actually plopped down in front of the TV and watched it.

212 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:27:09pm

re: #166 EmmmieG

I like that (and, to be clear, my daughter could never wear what she wore because of the sheer issue. My daughter could and probably will wear something more like what you posted.)

The dress was going to have to be big on bottom because of the size of the abbey. It had to be a cathedral-sized dress with a mongo train.

The problem with wedding dresses is that they don’t photograph well because of the white-on-white issue. I guess that hundreds of hours went into the embroidery on the bottom of the dress, which we can’t really see in the photographs.

I expect that the lace sleeves were something of a compromise between current fashion and the formality required by the family.

I’m just hoping it will bring back a vogue for more modest gowns.

213 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 29, 2011 7:28:25pm

re: #171 EmmmieG

Sure

I like portrait necklines.

I don’t really care for them, but Michelle can pull it off. She has excellent shoulders.

214 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 3:39:10am

re: #15 wozzablog

You don’t think Trump is a viable prospect, then?

not really unless something craaaazy happens

if he gets the nod, he’ll be destroyed

215 Mark Winter  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 4:53:54pm

Where’s the ORIGINAL PDF from 1961?

216 Mark Winter  Sat, Apr 30, 2011 4:56:32pm

re: #214 WindUpBird

not really unless something craaazy happens

You mean someone more crazy than Trump could turn up?


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