Bin Laden’s Hard Drive

The mother lode of intelligence
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We didn’t just kill Osama bin Laden last weekend — we may have dealt a decisive blow to the Al Qaeda command structure: Osama bin Laden raid yields trove of computer data.

The assault force of Navy SEALs snatched a trove of computer drives and disks during their weekend raid on Osama bin Laden’s compound, yielding what a U.S. official called “the mother lode of intelligence.”

The special operations forces grabbed personal computers, thumb drives and electronic equipment during the lightning raid that killed bin Laden, officials told POLITICO.

“They cleaned it out,” one official said. “Can you imagine what’s on Osama bin Laden’s hard drive?”

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837 comments
1 What, me worry?  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:07:04pm

Just keep it away from Assange!

2 brookly red  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:07:11pm

Gasp! the real birth certificate!

3 goddamnedfrank  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:07:11pm

MAME Roms and burka porn?

4 brookly red  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:08:38pm

re: #3 goddamnedfrank

MAME Roms and burka porn?

goats gone wild...

5 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:08:45pm

Sharia compliant lol cats and countless emails for boner pills.
/Hooray!

6 samgak  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:10:22pm

/usr/bin/laden ?

7 okonkolo  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:10:30pm

And this is part of where Obama really deserved some credit for taking the calculated but riskier decision to drop troops on the target. There would have been little risk to American life by bombing either from drone or airplane and/or then trying to drop in after the fact. So much could have gone wrong (and the fact that one chopper was lost brought to mind memories of the catastrophic failure of the chopper crashes of the failed Iran hostage rescue attempt), but as a result of the incredible planning and execution of the planners and troops and the decision of the President we have this extra benefit of valuable intel. Amazing.

8 laZardo  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:10:31pm

The password to his facebook account!

9 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:11:04pm

"You'd think I'd have some ambivalence over the targeted killing of another human being.... nope, I just want to hear more details!"

---Jon Stewart

10 brookly red  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:11:07pm

OK guys, they found the hard drive... move!

11 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:13:34pm

I got it...

ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff ........ ........ 0000-00a0: ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff ........ ........ 0000-00b0: ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff ........ ........ 0000-00c0: ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff ........ ........ 0000-00d0: ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff ........ ........ 0000-00e0: ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff ........ ........ 0000-00f0: ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff ........ ........ 0000-0100: ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff ........ ........ 0000-0110: ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff ........ ........ 0000-0120: ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff ........ ........ 0000-0130: ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff ........ ........ 0000-0140: ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff ........ ........ 0000-0150: ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff ........ ........ 0000-0160: ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff ........ ........ 0000-0170: ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff ........ ........ 0000-0180: ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff ........ ........ 0000-0190: ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff ........ ........ 0000-01a0: ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff ........ ........ 0000-01b0: ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff ........ ........ 0000-01c0: ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff ........ ........ 0000-01d0: ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff ........ ........ 0000-01e0: ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff ........ ........ 0000-01f0: ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff ........ ........ 0000-0200: ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff-ff ff ff ff ........ ........ 0000-0210: ec a5 c1 00-27 60 09 04-00 00 f8 12-bf 00 00 00 ....'`.. ........ 0000-0220: 00 00 00 10-00 00 00 00-00 06 00 00-2e 31 00 00 ........ .....1.. 0000-0230: 0e 00 62 6a-62 6a 7b 50-7b 50 00 00-00 00 00 00 ..bjbj{P {P...... 0000-0240: 00 00 00 00-00 00 00 00-00 00 00 00-09 04 16 00 ........ ........ 0000-0250: 34 3a 00 00-19 3a 01 00-19 3a 01 00-6e 05 00 00 4:...:.. .:..n... 0000-0260: 00 00 00 00-00 00 00 00-00 00 00 00-00 00 00 00 ........ ........ 0000-0270: 00 00 00 00-00 00 00 00-00 00 00 00-ff ff 0f 00 ........ ........ 0000-0280: 00 00 00 00-00 00 00 00-ff ff 0f 00-00 00 00 00 ........ ........ 0000-0290: 00 00 00 00-ff ff 0f 00-00 00 00 00-00 00 00 00 ........ ........ 0000-02a0: 00 00 00 00-00 00 00 00-a4 00 00 00-00 00 a4 03 ........ ........ 0000-02b0: 00 00 00 00-00 00 a4 03-00 00 a4 03-00 00 00 00 ........ ........ 0000-02c0: 00 00 a4 03-00 00 00 00-00 00 a4 03-00 00 00 00 ........ ........ 0000-02d0: 00 00 a4 03-00 00 00 00-00 00 a4 03-00 00 14 00 ........ ........ 0000-02e0: 00 00 00 00-00 00 00 00-00 00 b8 03-00 00 00 00 ........ ........ 0000-02f0: 00 00 5c 0a-00 00 00 00-00 00 5c 0a-00 00 00 00 ....... ....... 0000-0300: 00 00 5c 0a-00 00 00 00-00 00 5c 0a-00 00 6c 00 ....... .....l. 0000-0310: 00 00 c8 0a-00 00 34 00-00 00 b8 03-00 00 00 00 ......4. ........ 0000-0320: 00 00 e2 0f-00 00 f2 00-00 00 08 0b-00 00 00 00 ........ ........ 0000-0330: 00 00 08 0b-00 00 00 00-00 00 08 0b-00 00 00 00 ........ ........ 0000-0340: 00 00 08 0b-00 00 00 00-00 00 08 0b-00 00 00 00 ........ ........ 0000-0350: 00 00 e7 0b-00 00 00 00-00 00 e7 0b-00 00 00 00 ........ ........ 0000-0360: 00 00 e7 0b-00 00 00 00-00 00 3d 0f-00 00 02 00 ........ ..=..... 0000-0370: 00 00 3f 0f-00 00 00 00-00 00 3f 0f-00 00 00 00 ..?..... ..?..... 0000-0380: 00 00 3f 0f-00 00 00 00-00 00 3f 0f-00 00 00 00 ..?..... ..?..... 0000-0390: 00 00 3f 0f-00 00 00 00-00 00 3f 0f-00 00 24 00 ..?..... ..?...$. 0000-03a0: 00 00 d4 10-00 00 68 02-00 00 3c 13-00 00 4c 00 ......h. ..

12 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:15:15pm

Why do I get the feeling that Walter's post means something?

13 prairiefire  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:15:19pm

Hmm, maybe a disappearance or two coming up. *looking around*

14 brookly red  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:15:42pm

a huffpo account? LOL who knew?

15 brookly red  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:16:24pm

re: #12 EmmmieG

Why do I get the feeling that Walter's post means something?

why start now?

16 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:16:47pm

re: #15 brookly red

why start now?

They always mean something.

17 brookly red  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:17:51pm

re: #16 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They always mean something.

you know Walter is CIA don't you?

18 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:17:55pm

Wouldn't that be something if some of the computers we grabbed belonged to the ISI?

Compound in Pakistan was once a safe house


Dubai: The compound in Abbottabad where Osama Bin Laden was killed was once used as a safe house by Pakistan's premier intelligence agency ISI, Gulf News has learnt.

"This area had been used as ISI's safe house, but it was not under their use any more because they keep on changing their locations," a senior intelligence official confided to Gulf News. However, he did not reveal when and for how long it was used by the ISI operatives. Another official cautiously said "it may not be the same house but the same compound or area used by the ISI".

19 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:18:02pm

re: #16 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They always mean something.

Yessss, but he does program, so that might actually be code. Or it could be gibberish. I can't tell the difference.

20 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:19:06pm

re: #19 EmmmieG

Yesss, but he does program, so that might actually be code. Or it could be gibberish. I can't tell the difference.

It's data from Bin laden's drive.

21 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:19:10pm

Redtube? Osama come on, what would your wives say?

22 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:19:12pm

re: #10 brookly red

OK guys, they found the hard drive... move!

Hard day to rent a moving van in Islamabad.

23 brookly red  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:19:24pm

re: #18 NJDhockeyfan

Wouldn't that be something if some of the computers we grabbed belonged to the ISI?

Compound in Pakistan was once a safe house

I would not be surprised...

24 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:20:45pm

Redeet?
meh, meh.
Rrideet?
Meh, me, meh
Rideet!
Mah, mah!
/Sunset and I think the frogs are talking about doing some fucking

25 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:23:51pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Redeet?
meh, meh.
Rrideet?
Meh, me, meh
Rideet!
Mah, mah!
/Sunset and I think the frogs are talking about doing some fucking

My daughters found a toad a couple weekends ago. They named him Todd. Todd played in the sandbox, slid down the slide, back to the sandbox, then they build Todd a home in my mower trailer.

26 The Optimist  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:24:24pm

I understand that Bin Laden kept details on all Al Qaeda members kinky sexual preferences including spy photos. Threatening to release that information would stop Al Qaeda outright.

27 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:24:53pm

To be completely serious this find may be just as important as the Bin Laden kill itself. Seems like they found a lot of intel there.

28 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:24:54pm

re: #25 NJDhockeyfan

My daughters found a toad a couple weekends ago. They named him Todd. Todd played in the sandbox, slid down the slide, back to the sandbox, then they build Todd a home in my mower trailer.

Todd didn't like it when you put the mower back into the trailer... Todd flew out or the trailer very quickly... poor Todd.

29 Michael McBacon  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:25:08pm

re: #11 Walter L. Newton

You speak Hexadecimal?

30 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:25:13pm

re: #19 EmmmieG

Never met the guy. One of my smartest friends, though.

31 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:25:27pm

re: #26 Venezuela lover

I understand that Bin Laden kept details on all Al Qaeda members kinky sexual preferences including spy photos. Threatening to release that information would stop Al Qaeda outright.

Ayman Al Zawahiri is a furry, breaking :).

32 brookly red  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:26:02pm

re: #28 Walter L. Newton

Todd didn't like it when you put the mower back into the trailer... Todd flew out or the trailer very quickly... poor Todd.

todd croaked.

33 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:26:02pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

To be completely serious this find may be just as important as the Bin Laden kill itself. Seems like they found a lot of intel there.

Note : Have Adullah order two pastrami's from 2nd Ave Deli.

34 The Optimist  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:26:50pm

Whats the difference between Todd's death and Bin Laden's death?

People feel sorry for Todd.

35 McSpiff  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:27:25pm

I'm one disappointed Canadian Liberal tonight.

36 The Optimist  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:27:46pm

re: #34 Venezuela lover

Kosher Pastrami , please

37 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:27:48pm

re: #28 Walter L. Newton

Todd didn't like it when you put the mower back into the trailer... Todd flew out or the trailer very quickly... poor Todd.

The trailer is pulled by my mower. Later that day my daughter walked by. I asked her how Todd was doing and she said "Todd is taking a nap." I was then a little concerned.

38 Bob Dillon  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:28:10pm

The President knew it was Osama up front.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

There were two clinchers for the Americans, who by now had the Abbottabad compound under full-scale satellite and spy-plane surveillance, not to mention by CIA agents of Pakistani descent who had installed themselves in farm buildings in close proximity. They had even managed to smuggle a camera into the compound itself.

The CIA learned too that there was another family living with the couriers, and that the composition of this family matched Bin Laden’s.

The first solid evidence that the Al Qaeda leader was actually there came in the form of a recording of him speaking, picked up on a CIA microphone. The snippet was analysed and it matched previous recordings of his voice.

Then came a photograph taken of him inside the compound, an image so significant it was rushed straight to Barack Obama. On March 14, the President held the first of five top-secret meetings with his security advisers to discuss a raid.

39 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:28:12pm

re: #34 Venezuela lover

Whats the difference between Todd's death and Bin Laden's death?

People feel sorry for Todd.

Todd was a valuable part of our ecosystem.

40 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:28:19pm

re: #37 NJDhockeyfan

The trailer is pulled by my mower. Later that day my daughter walked by. I asked her how Todd was doing and she said "Todd is taking a nap." I was then a little concerned.

Like I said... dirt nap.

41 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:29:19pm

Video of the attack on OBL has been released...

Youtube Video
42 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:29:44pm

When my little brother was three, he found Sleeping Mousy.

Sleeping Mousy was his friend. He carried Sleeping Mousy around and tried to feed it. He put Sleeping Mousy on the swing and gave it a swing. Sleeping Mousy was awfully sleepy.

Finally my mother got it away from him and buried it.
Too shallow. The cat dug it back up and we had to frantically re-bury it before he saw.

43 mikefromarlington  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:29:58pm

“Can you imagine what’s on Osama bin Laden’s hard drive?”

PUMA memberships and subscriptions to birther groups @ Atlassshrugs2000 and WND?

44 Idle Drifter  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:30:15pm

If this intelligence opens up the entire network of terrorist cells, weapons caches, and possibly even a sponsor list it would be beyond outstanding. We would not only have destroyed the figurehead of Al Qaeda but we get to burn their house down around them.

Youtube Video
45 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:30:49pm

re: #44 Idle Drifter

If this intelligence opens up the entire network of terrorist cells, weapons caches, and possibly even a sponsor list it would be beyond outstanding. We would not only have destroyed the figurehead of Al Qaeda but we get to burn their house down around them.

[Video]

Information to crack the money laundering routes.

46 Stanghazi  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:31:05pm

Catch ya on the flip side.

(nice oldie saying eh?)

47 brookly red  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:31:38pm

re: #42 EmmmieG

When my little brother was three, he found Sleeping Mousy.

Sleeping Mousy was his friend. He carried Sleeping Mousy around and tried to feed it. He put Sleeping Mousy on the swing and gave it a swing. Sleeping Mousy was awfully sleepy.

Finally my mother got it away from him and buried it.
Too shallow. The cat dug it back up and we had to frantically re-bury it before he saw.

when I was a kid I had a friend, sleeping Vinnie...

48 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:32:15pm

re: #44 Idle Drifter

If this intelligence opens up the entire network of terrorist cells, weapons caches, and possibly even a sponsor list it would be beyond outstanding. We would not only have destroyed the figurehead of Al Qaeda but we get to burn their house down around them.

[Video]

Could you imagine the sponsor list...

Pakistan Cotton Gloves
Pakistan Electroplating Power Supply
Pakistan Excavator
Pakistan Eyelets
Pakistan Golf
Pakistan Hair Dressing Scissor
Pakistan Inverter Drive
Pakistan Iron Ore
Pakistan Jackets
Pakistan Lcd Display Ups
Pakistan Leisure Wear
Pakistan Marbles
Pakistan Output Switch
Pakistan Switchgear
Pakistan Ups Monitoring Software
Pakistan Ups Offline

49 jamesfirecat  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:32:19pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

Ayman Al Zawahiri is a furry, breaking :).

Not that there's anything wrong with that!

50 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:32:45pm

re: #40 Walter L. Newton

Like I said... dirt nap.

Believe it or not Todd was fine when I checked on him. A little later I saw my daughter rubbing Todd with a towel. I asked her why she was doing that and she said she gave Todd a shower and was drying him off. "Todd was a dirty frog."

51 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:33:14pm

re: #49 jamesfirecat

Not that there's anything wrong with that!

Or the fact that Mullah Omar sees a dominatrix named Raven once a week in the heart of Islamabad's Red Light District.

52 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:33:23pm

re: #50 NJDhockeyfan

Believe it or not Todd was fine when I checked on him. A little later I saw my daughter rubbing Todd with a towel. I asked her why she was doing that and she said she gave Todd a shower and was drying him off. "Todd was a dirty frog."

Ok... check if your daughter is licking the frogs back?

53 ElCapitanAmerica  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:33:31pm

This whole operation, including the hard drive intel reminds me of the Colombian operation in Ecuador that was condemned by a lot of the international community. It required a daring Colombian operation without the approval of the govt of Ecuador and it resulted in the death of FARC leader Raul Reyes and a bunch of laptops. Anybody remember that?

54 laZardo  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:33:57pm

re: #41 NJDhockeyfan

Australian TV schedule, May 2.

COINCIDENCE!?!?!11ONE

55 brookly red  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:35:02pm

re: #45 EmmmieG

Information to crack the money laundering routes.

I live about 2.5 miles from Wall street... but I can hear the shredders from here.

56 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:35:08pm

Islamic fascism: ice cream oppression of infidels in Istanbul

Youtube Video
57 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:36:30pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

Islamic fascism: ice cream oppression of infidels in Istanbul

[Video]

Chaplin would be proud

58 laZardo  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:37:46pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

Islamic fascism: ice cream oppression of infidels in Istanbul

[Video]

NO ICE CREAM FOR YOU

59 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:38:04pm

re: #32 brookly red

Can we tag team on the humor here tonight... I'm getting a little winded trying to carry the ball for the whole thread?

60 Romantic Heretic  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:38:29pm

The seizure of all this data is far more important than Bin Laden's death. They can blow a huge hole in the organization with this.

Again I say, "Well done, Seal Team Six, and President Obama."

61 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:39:53pm

re: #59 Walter L. Newton

Can we tag team on the humor here tonight... I'm getting a little winded trying to carry the ball for the whole thread?

Why don't we ask the guy in the ice cream video?

62 EdDantes  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:39:57pm

re: #46 Stanley Sea

Catch ya on the flip side.

(nice oldie saying eh?)

Keep the shiny side up and the dirty side down.

63 brookly red  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:40:03pm

re: #59 Walter L. Newton

Can we tag team on the humor here tonight... I'm getting a little winded trying to carry the ball for the whole thread?

I gave up after 72 sturgeons

64 brookly red  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:41:18pm

re: #61 EmmmieG

Why don't we ask the guy in the ice cream video?

he is CIA too...

65 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:41:40pm

re: #63 brookly red

I gave up after 72 sturgeons

I said BL was our chum, but that was earlier.

66 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:43:12pm

re: #64 brookly red

he is CIA too...

Well, that's one thing that can be said: The CIA is finally able to claim some credit for an unalloyed victory. This is probably the Agency's best day since the 1960's/

67 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:43:15pm

WikiLeaks: Osama bin Laden 'protected' by Pakistani security

American diplomats were told that one of the key reasons why they had failed to find bin Laden was that Pakistan’s security services tipped him off whenever US troops approached.

Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISID) also allegedly smuggled al-Qaeda terrorists through airport security to help them avoid capture and sent a unit into Afghanistan to fight alongside the Taliban.

The claims, made in leaked US government files obtained by Wikileaks, will add to questions over Pakistan’s capacity to fight al-Qaeda.

Shocka!

68 BongCrodny  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:45:03pm

Who knows what might have happened if we hadn't waterboarded that computer?

69 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:45:15pm

It's nice to hear good news once in a while. I hope this find provides a great deal of intel.

70 Mr Pancakes  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:45:31pm

re: #59 Walter L. Newton

Can we tag team on the humor here tonight... I'm getting a little winded trying to carry the ball for the whole thread?

You said something funny?

71 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:46:19pm

re: #70 Mr Pancakes

You said something funny?

I wasn't sure... I am now.

72 McSpiff  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:46:52pm

The federal separatist party has been crushed in this election... one good thing.

73 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:46:59pm

re: #70 Mr Pancakes

You said something funny?

SMACK!

74 brookly red  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:47:24pm

good night folks

75 Mr Pancakes  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:48:34pm

re: #74 brookly red

good night folks

Nighty night...... dream of pineapple bin Laden.

76 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:50:44pm

Speaking of epically stupid lefties...
Robert Fisk on Bin Laden death

Youtube Video
77 zora  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:51:31pm

re: #18 NJDhockeyfan

Wouldn't that be something if some of the computers we grabbed belonged to the ISI?

Compound in Pakistan was once a safe house

that's some bullshit.

78 Simply Sarah  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:52:34pm

re: #35 McSpiff

I'm one disappointed Canadian Liberal tonight.

If the results are any indication, there aren't many of you left to be disappointed.

79 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:52:39pm

re: #5 Killgore Trout

Sharia compliant lol cats and countless emails for boner pills.
/Hooray!

I may regret asking this, but what would a non-sharia-compliant LOLCat look like?

80 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:53:11pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Speaking of epically stupid lefties...
Robert Fisk on Bin Laden death

[Video]

He's trying to blow the dust off the Annual Robert Fisk Award for Idiotarian of the Year.

81 McSpiff  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:54:32pm

re: #78 Simply Sarah

If the results are any indication, there aren't many of you left to be disappointed.

I was disappointed in the party before tonight. I've let my membership lapse, might be time to fix that. We need better leaders.

82 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:54:44pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Interesting. The way he describes AQ is almost identical to the way I've heard some describe Anon.

83 Mr Pancakes  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:55:19pm

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

I may regret asking this, but what would a non-sharia-compliant LOLCat look like?

A cat without a burka. Although all tabbies have an "M" on their forehead which means "Mohammad"...... don't believe me? Go look.

84 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:56:04pm

re: #39 EmmmieG

Todd was a valuable part of our ecosystem.

Bin Laden is now a valuable part of our ecosystem. The sea will see to it that his component chemicals don't go to waste.

85 laZardo  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:56:07pm

re: #75 Mr Pancakes

Nighty night... dream of pineapple bin Laden.

Simpsons 4chan did it.

86 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:56:10pm

re: #78 Simply Sarah

If the results are any indication, there aren't many of you left to be disappointed.

I'm guessing that Harper won big.

87 Simply Sarah  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:57:19pm

re: #81 McSpiff

I was disappointed in the party before tonight. I've let my membership lapse, might be time to fix that. We need better leaders.

That's an understatement. You went from Dion to Ignatieff. That...wasn't really much of an improvement.

88 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:57:19pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Speaking of epically stupid lefties...
Robert Fisk on Bin Laden death

[Video]

Ideologically blind moonbat is blind. Bark, moonbat, bark.

89 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:57:22pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Speaking of epically stupid lefties...
Robert Fisk on Bin Laden death

[Video]

What now?

90 Mr Pancakes  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:58:39pm

re: #85 laZardo

Simpsons 4chan did it.

Nice find

91 Kragar  Mon, May 2, 2011 8:59:32pm

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

I may regret asking this, but what would a non-sharia-compliant LOLCat look like?

Image: funny-pictures-pole-dancer-cat.jpg

92 McSpiff  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:00:02pm

re: #87 Simply Sarah

That's an understatement. You went from Dion to Ignatieff. That...wasn't really much of an improvement.

Apparently it wasn't an improvement at all.

93 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:00:04pm

'Nite, all.

94 Mr Pancakes  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:00:04pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

Ideologically blind moonbat is blind. Bark, moonbat, bark.

I think bats are blind DF..... I could be wrong.

95 Simply Sarah  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:00:08pm

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

I'm guessing that Harper won big.

Big enough to win a majority, yep. The NDP is ascendant as the official opposition, the Liberals were reduced to a handful of seats, the Bloc almost totally disintegrated, and the Greens actually have an MP now.

96 mich-again  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:00:48pm
“Can you imagine what’s on Osama bin Laden’s hard drive?”

I'm guessing its full of porn like all the other confiscated jihadi hard drives.

97 BongCrodny  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:00:49pm

re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist

Bin Laden is now a valuable part of our ecosystem. The sea will see to it that his component chemicals don't go to waste.


Finally useful.

98 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:00:54pm

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

I may regret asking this, but what would a non-sharia-compliant LOLCat look like?

OMG!

99 McSpiff  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:02:24pm

Only government ever found in contempt of Parliament in the commonwealth... and we re-elect to them to a majority. You know your opposition is shit when..

100 mich-again  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:02:41pm

So how long till someone starts selling Osama bin Laden brand fish food?

101 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:02:59pm

re: #96 mich-again

I'm guessing its full of porn like all the other confiscated jihadi hard drives.

Well that tears it. I'm trashing my hard drive before anyone gets it in their head that I'm some jihadi.

102 Kragar  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:03:30pm

re: #98 Slumbering Behemoth

OMG!

Image: funny-pictures-the-stripper-jumped-out.jpg

103 Simply Sarah  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:03:31pm

re: #92 McSpiff

Apparently it wasn't an improvement at all.

Well, no, it really wasn't. The only opposition leader that seems to have any idea how to do anything right now is Layton. And maybe May. I have to give her credit for potentially winning as many ridings as the Bloc will. /

104 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:04:10pm

I'm so tired. I think I'll turn in. Nighty night.

A few words from Harry Truman on V-E Day:

We are facing a situation that we can either go the whole way and make the world the happiest place it has ever been in which to live, or we can go the wrong way and spoil the whole thing. So we are thinking all the time of the problems which we have to face.

The whole world must be cleansed of the evil from which half the world has been freed. United, the peace-loving nations have demonstrated in the West that their arms are stronger by far than the might of dictators or the tyranny of military cliques that once called us soft and weak. I would like to know what the Germans think about that now. [Laughter]

The power of our peoples to defend themselves against all enemies will be proved in the Pacific war as it has been proved in Europe. For the triumph of spirit and of arms which we have won, and for its promise to peoples everywhere who join us in the love of freedom, it is fitting that we, as a nation, give thanks to Almighty God, who has strengthened us and given us the victory.

God Bless America!

105 Mr Pancakes  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:04:29pm

re: #98 Slumbering Behemoth

OMG!

I wish my cat would do some weird shit like that when I had the camera ready.

"Oh he's got the camera out.... lets be boring."

106 Lidane  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:04:57pm

re: #100 mich-again

So how long till someone starts selling Osama bin Laden brand fish food?

I'd give it a week. I'm sure someone will have it on the market by then.

107 Romantic Heretic  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:05:05pm

re: #35 McSpiff

I'm one disappointed Canadian Liberal tonight.

I voted NDP. We did well. I'd that up though for a Conservative minority.

108 McSpiff  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:05:39pm

re: #103 Simply Sarah

Well, no, it really wasn't. The only opposition leader that seems to have any idea how to do anything right now is Layton. And maybe May. I have to give her credit for potentially winning as many ridings as the Bloc will. /

If the Bloc is lucky she'll let them carpool with her in the prius.

109 Mr Pancakes  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:05:45pm

re: #101 Slumbering Behemoth

Well that tears it. I'm trashing my hard drive before anyone gets it in their head that I'm some jihadi.

CARBONITE IT'S ENCRYPTED

110 zora  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:05:47pm

good night, y'all.

111 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:06:49pm

re: #95 Simply Sarah

Big enough to win a majority, yep. The NDP is ascendant as the official opposition, the Liberals were reduced to a handful of seats, the Bloc almost totally disintegrated, and the Greens actually have an MP now.

That sounds like the kind of election that transforms a nation's electoral politics. Glad to hear Harper finally has a majority. He's a good egg and Canada is lucky to have him.

112 McSpiff  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:06:54pm

re: #107 Romantic Heretic

I voted NDP. We did well. I'd that up though for a Conservative minority.

You guys did excellent. Apparently having actual policies is needed to win elections. I may need to re-evaluate my support of the liberal party... I do have an NDP MP now, I hope he impresses me.

113 mich-again  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:06:54pm

re: #105 Mr Pancakes

"Oh he's got the camera out... lets be boring."


That's not just a catspiracy theory. Cats are always plotting on people.

114 Political Atheist  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:07:09pm

re: #109 Mr Pancakes

Heh. I got Carbonite. The initial backup is going to take about 80 more days.

115 McSpiff  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:07:57pm

re: #111 Dark_Falcon

That sounds like the kind of election that transforms a nation's electoral politics. Glad to hear Harper finally has a majority. He's a good egg and Canada is lucky to have him.

Other than the whole contempt of Parliament and various other skeezy things he's done. I will say economically he's good, but as a Parliamentarian he makes my skin crawl.

116 Simply Sarah  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:08:00pm

re: #108 McSpiff

If the Bloc is lucky she'll let them carpool with her in the prius.

I'm utterly shocked that the BQ looks like it may very well end up in 4th place in Quebec for number of MPs. That's unheard of. Duceppe losing his seat? Shocking.

117 Mr Pancakes  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:08:17pm

re: #104 NJDhockeyfan

I'm so tired. I think I'll turn in. Nighty night.

A few words from Harry Truman on V-E Day:

God Bless America!

My parents went from Democrat to Republican because of Harry Truman...... They are dead now so I guess I'll never know why.

118 Mr Pancakes  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:09:22pm

re: #114 Rightwingconspirator

Heh. I got Carbonite. The initial backup is going to take about 80 more days.

Hahahhaa..... wonderful.

119 Simply Sarah  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:10:14pm

re: #115 McSpiff

Other than the whole contempt of Parliament and various other skeezy things he's done. I will say economically he's good, but as a Parliamentarian he makes my skin crawl.

I'm coming at things from a leftist point of view (And an American), but I don't much like Harper at all. He reminds me too much of many of the more negative aspects of the current GOP and some of the more anti-democratic actions they've been taking.

120 McSpiff  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:11:09pm

re: #119 Simply Sarah

I'm coming at things from a leftist point of view (And an American), but I don't much like Harper at all. He reminds me too much of many of the more negative aspects of the current GOP and some of the more anti-democratic actions they've been taking.

I like the conservative party more than I like Harper and his inner circle, mainly for the reasons you say.

121 Lidane  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:11:48pm

re: #113 mich-again

That's not just a catspiracy theory. Cats are always plotting on people.

Heh. My boyfriend is paranoid about the girl cat we have. He's convinced she's plotting against him. I tell him she's had us both suckered since she convinced us she couldn't walk up the stairs on her own as a kitten. LOL!

122 goddamnedfrank  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:11:52pm

re: #119 Simply Sarah

I'm coming at things from a leftist point of view (And an American), but I don't much like Harper at all. He reminds me too much of many of the more negative aspects of the current GOP and some of the more anti-democratic actions they've been taking.

Credit due, the man knows how to rock a sweater vest.

123 Mr Pancakes  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:13:28pm

re: #118 Mr Pancakes

Hahahhaa... wonderful.

Is it really like $50 a year? I'm sure it's dependent on how much data you want to store and the price goes up?

124 Simply Sarah  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:13:39pm

Help! Quebec just went gray on my CBC election map! I think they may have finally seceded!

125 Mr Pancakes  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:14:51pm

re: #124 Simply Sarah

Help! Quebec just went gray on my CBC election map! I think they may have finally seceded!

They should ....... they speak funny.

126 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:15:06pm

re: #115 McSpiff

Other than the whole contempt of Parliament and various other skeezy things he's done. I will say economically he's good, but as a Parliamentarian he makes my skin crawl.

You mean how he outmaneuvered that left coalition a few years back to stay in power? I actually praised him for that. But I'm not one who sees matters of honor having a place in the legislature, I'm more of an 'anything to win' type on such matters. Much of that comes from being raised in Chicago, where nasty alderman are powerful and nice guys finish last.

127 Romantic Heretic  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:15:41pm

re: #111 Dark_Falcon

That sounds like the kind of election that transforms a nation's electoral politics. Glad to hear Harper finally has a majority. He's a good egg and Canada is lucky to have him.

Are we talking about the same man? I call him 'Dear Leader' because he expects the same level of sycophancy that Kim Jong Il gets. He's shut down Parliament twice to avoid dealing with problems. We've gone from good surpluses to huge deficits under his watch.

We're going to go the way of Ireland. A country his party once held up as something Canada should aspire to.

We Canadians are sooooo screwed.

128 Simply Sarah  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:15:48pm

But really, if you had said the only three party leaders that would win their ridings would be Harper, Layton, and May...I might have guessed the first two.

129 Simply Sarah  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:17:28pm

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

You mean how he outmaneuvered that left coalition a few years back to stay in power? I actually praised him for that. But I'm not one who sees matters of honor having a place in the legislature, I'm more of an 'anything to win' type on such matters. Much of that comes from being raised in Chicago, where nasty alderman are powerful and nice guys finish last.

Well, he didn't really outmaneuver so much as he held all the cards there.

130 laZardo  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:17:48pm

re: #127 Romantic Heretic

That's what you guys get for wanting to be "not America." It worked fine with America had right-wing leaders, but now that it's got a leader that tries to move it leftward, Canada has to move in the opposite direction.

///

131 goddamnedfrank  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:18:01pm

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

You mean how he outmaneuvered that left coalition a few years back to stay in power? I actually praised him for that. But I'm not one who sees matters of honor having a place in the legislature, I'm more of an 'anything to win' type on such matters. Much of that comes from being raised in Chicago, where nasty alderman are powerful and nice guys finish last.

Aren't these the same "machine politics" you so often lament, or is that label reserved for when things don't go your way?

132 Political Atheist  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:18:03pm

re: #123 Mr Pancakes

It seems not to be so. The deal is it is a limited speed kind of thing. If I need a few shots back no big deal. But if I need my 300 gig back after a drive fatality will it be 90 days? Anyway I got it in addition to my external drives. Minimum 3 copies of all of it. So my back up overhead is about a terabyte.

133 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:18:21pm

Bin Laden is dead, we have his hard drive, and we have years of intel and the sweat of gov't employees to thank for that. Excellent job.

I think I will institute an annual bbq to commemorate this event.

134 laZardo  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:18:26pm

re: #130 laZardo

It worked fine with when America

pimf

135 ProMayaLiberal  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:18:31pm

re: #112 McSpiff

To give an idea where I am politically, I would support the NDP on alot of things. The only difference would by foreign policy, and that would be a Nation-to-Nation basis.

I know I'm on the left here in the US.

136 Interesting Times  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:19:00pm

re: #115 McSpiff

Other than the whole contempt of Parliament and various other skeezy things he's done. I will say economically he's good, but as a Parliamentarian he makes my skin crawl.

Economically he was only "good" because the opposition parties prevented him from doing something truly stupid. Now that he has a majority, he can be as much of a Kochsucker as he wants (yes, the Kochtopus has their tentacles in our business as well).

I'm nauseous.

137 goddamnedfrank  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:19:52pm

re: #129 Simply Sarah

Well, he didn't really outmaneuver so much as he held all the cards there.

Didn't the Queen's representative prorogue Parliament in that stunt? Yeah, that sounds like democracy.

138 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:20:01pm

'Want You Gone"
(portal 2 spoilers)

Youtube Video

namaste, y'all
139 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:20:50pm

re: #138 Killgore Trout

Thanks for the warning. Will. Not. Watch.

140 Kragar  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:20:52pm

re: #133 Slumbering Behemoth

Bin Laden is dead, we have his hard drive, and we have years of intel and the sweat of gov't employees to thank for that. Excellent job.

I think I will institute an annual bbq to commemorate this event.

We can call it Uno de Mayo!

141 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:21:03pm

re: #133 Slumbering Behemoth

Bin Laden is dead, we have his hard drive, and we have years of intel and the sweat of gov't employees to thank for that. Excellent job.

I think I will institute an annual bbq to commemorate this event.

With more surf than turf.

//

142 Mr Pancakes  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:21:34pm

re: #132 Rightwingconspirator

It seems not to be so. The deal is it is a limited speed kind of thing. If I need a few shots back no big deal. But if I need my 300 gig back after a drive fatality will it be 90 days? Anyway I got it in addition to my external drives. Minimum 3 copies of all of it. So my back up overhead is about a terabyte.

I've been thinking about it......... I've bought so many replacement hard drives over the years that it might be worth it....... but it sounds like it takes forever to upload....... I've got 1.5 TB to back up.

143 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:22:44pm

re: #141 Gus 802

With more surf than turf.

//

FREEDOM FISH!

144 laZardo  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:23:03pm

re: #133 Slumbering Behemoth

Bin Laden is dead, we have his hard drive, and we have years of intel and the sweat of gov't employees to thank for that. Excellent job.

I think I will institute an annual bbq to commemorate this event.

Come to think of it, May 1 is Labor Day in a lot of places...

145 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:23:10pm

Yo dude like I don't know man. Like he's probably still alive man. You know like this is all part of the master plan like the way they inject people with GPS implants when you go to get a vaccine man.

//

146 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:23:36pm

re: #131 goddamnedfrank

Aren't these the same "machine politics" you so often lament, or is that label reserved for when things don't go your way?

Mostly reserved for Democrats and when things don't go my way. But a crucial difference is that I am unwilling to countenance corruption, unlike most political machines.

147 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:23:38pm

Andrew Breitbart's Cult of Stupid is spewing an impressive amount of hatred at me tonight on Twitter. Music to my ears.

148 ProMayaLiberal  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:23:45pm

re: #136 publicityStunted

I know the Republican Party and Canadian Conservative Party are affliated with one another.

I think it's time for the Democrats to do the same with the Liberals and NDP. Do what it takes to win. I don't come from Chicago, I'm just real bitter over things the Republicans have done at a whole lot of levels.

149 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:24:06pm

re: #143 Slumbering Behemoth

FREEDOM FISH!

The Incredible Mr. Limpet bin Laden "and his undersea adventure."

//

150 laZardo  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:24:47pm

bbl lunch

151 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:25:09pm

re: #144 laZardo

It's also Holocaust Remembrance Day according to my calendar. That makes it all the more sweet.

152 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:26:17pm

re: #149 Gus 802

Sponge Bob 'Splodey Pants?

153 nevertires  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:27:14pm

re: #35 McSpiff

I'm one disappointed Canadian Liberal tonight.

I am in one of the few ridings that remained Liberal. My riding is one that also experienced some real shady stuff. We rec'd autodialed calls purporting to be from Elections Canada telling us our polling station was being changed due to anticipated high demand. Changed to one that is 6km from the one down the block. Even referred to points in town by their common name and was in both official languages.

Needless to say this was totally fraudulent and reported to the authorities.

My first taste of voter suppression and made me disappointed in my country's politics, angry and yet - not too shocked.

154 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:27:20pm

re: #147 Charles

Andrew Breitbart's Cult of Stupid is spewing an impressive amount of hatred at me tonight on Twitter. Music to my ears.

I hear that. One of the Stalkers created a Twitterstalk account aimed at me last night. Blocked, of course, but it seems the crazies have really latched onto Twitter as a spewing place.

155 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:27:49pm

re: #152 Slumbering Behemoth

Sponge Bob 'Splodey Pants?

"The Abbottabad Hillbillies" He did kind of have that hillbilly edge to him.

156 ProMayaLiberal  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:28:19pm

re: #153 nevertires

For the record, NDP belongs to Socialist International.

Liberal Party belongs to Liberal International.

157 Mr Pancakes  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:29:27pm

re: #152 Slumbering Behemoth

Sponge Bob 'Splodey Pants?

That made me think of the Little Mermaid song "Under the Sea"

Youtube Video
158 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:30:14pm

What's with all the doubt about bin Laden's death that I ran into today? Three people and they all almost crossed into conspiracy land. Sheesh. It's like an epidemic of stupid.

159 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:30:44pm

"Like if he's really dead man."

Derp.

160 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:30:49pm

re: #156 ProLifeLiberal

For the record, NDP belongs to Socialist International.

Liberal Party belongs to Liberal International.

I take it in the UK, Labour belongs to Socialist Int'l and the Lib Democrats to Liberal Int'l. I really don't what party I'd be in either country. I have to be honest I probably liked Brown or Nick Clegg the most in the UK elections though I don't mind Dave Cameron. He's a Tory but he doesn't seem to be an in your face socon which is what rubs me the wrong way about our own conservatives here in the US.

161 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:31:17pm

re: #156 ProLifeLiberal

For the record, NDP belongs to Socialist International.

Liberal Party belongs to Liberal International.

Liberal International I'm just fine with. Say something's associated with the "Socialist International" and I've got to tell you that thing is likely to find me very hostile. I'm hostile to socialist anything.

162 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:32:32pm

re: #157 Mr Pancakes

Of course you know that I have a semi-NSFW response for that.

163 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:32:34pm

re: #158 Gus 802

What's with all the doubt about bin Laden's death that I ran into today? Three people and they all almost crossed into conspiracy land. Sheesh. It's like an epidemic of stupid.

I ran into that on my train ride to my parent's house for dinner. I tried my best, but could not put the conspiracy theory down.

164 Kragar  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:32:42pm

re: #157 Mr Pancakes

That made me think of the Little Mermaid song "Under the Sea"

[Video]

"Petrov, Yelyena And Me".

Youtube Video
165 Interesting Times  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:33:59pm

re: #153 nevertires

I am in one of the few ridings that remained Liberal. My riding is one that also experienced some real shady stuff. We rec'd autodialed calls purporting to be from Elections Canada telling us our polling station was being changed due to anticipated high demand. Changed to one that is 6km from the one down the block. Even referred to points in town by their common name and was in both official languages.

Needless to say this was totally fraudulent and reported to the authorities.

My first taste of voter suppression and made me disappointed in my country's politics, angry and yet - not too shocked.

That happened in the riding right next to mine!

166 McSpiff  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:34:17pm

re: #137 goddamnedfrank

Didn't the Queen's representative prorogue Parliament in that stunt? Yeah, that sounds like democracy.

It is. The Governor-General acts as the Queen's representative. Constitutionally, the Queen or the GG can only act on the advice of the Privy Council. The Privy Council appoints a committee to advice the Queen. That council is the Canadian Cabinet. Essentially its the Prime Ministers way of wearing his executive hat as opposed to a legislative one.

167 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:34:26pm

re: #163 Dark_Falcon

I ran into that on my train ride to my parent's house for dinner. I tried my best, but could not put the conspiracy theory down.

Yeah. Forget it. Did they have that deer in the headlights look to them? I did find it ironic considering the three I'm talking about are Obama supporters. If you know what I mean wink wink nudge nudge.

168 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:35:09pm

re: #159 Gus 802

"Like if he's really dead man."

Derp.

People often think they're being clever when they assume that the news is all lies.

Such people, mysteriously, often believe any random conspiracy theory spouted by someone with similar taste in facial hair to their own.

169 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:36:00pm

re: #168 SanFranciscoZionist

People often think they're being clever when they assume that the news is all lies.

Such people, mysteriously, often believe any random conspiracy theory spouted by someone with similar taste in facial hair to their own.

It's like homeopathy.

170 ProMayaLiberal  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:36:03pm

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

I'm hardened Social Democrat, Nordic Style. Being an Average Liberal in Colorado Springs was impossible. I found out about the Social Democratic ideology, and attached to it.

171 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:36:12pm

Natural cures!

172 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:38:38pm

re: #167 Gus 802

Yeah. Forget it. Did they have that deer in the headlights look to them? I did find it ironic considering the three I'm talking about are Obama supporters. If you know what I mean wink wink nudge nudge.

No. It was mostly one guy who is very distrustful of the government, and he pulled others along in his wake. Good fellow, too, helpful and with a strong understanding of the CTA 'L' trains. Even despite the conspiracy theory, I still like him. though I see him but rarely.

173 nevertires  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:39:23pm

re: #153 nevertires

My post was poorly written. Sorry - chalk it up to a down day in Canadian politics I guess. Though I do wish my new government's official opposition all the best.

Oh well - Happy Tuesday and BTW thank you US lizards for making me want to get up on my couch and yell "FUCK YEAH!" last night re: OBL. In regards to OBL - Jon Stewart was on point tonight.

Go SEALs!

174 Mr Pancakes  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:39:35pm

re: #162 Slumbering Behemoth

Of course you know that I have a semi-NSFW response for that.

Hahhaaaa I had to wait awhile...... my daughter was in the room.

175 MinisterO  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:40:14pm

re: #12 EmmmieG

Why do I get the feeling that Walter's post means something?

Wishful thinking. It's the first few hundred bytes of a MS Word document in hexadecimal. Nothing interesting.

176 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:40:30pm

re: #168 SanFranciscoZionist

You have those that only believe in every stupid conspiracy theory if it's a dem that is the evil perpetrator, or those that only buy it when a rep is the evil perp.

Then you have folks like us, regardless of affiliation, that don't buy any of that garbage. I think you can figure out which of the three have a more consistent history of intellectual honesty.

177 Mr Pancakes  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:41:36pm

re: #164 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Petrov, Yelyena And Me".

[Video]

Flight Of The Conchords.... love it!

178 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:41:44pm

re: #175 MinisterO

Wishful thinking. It's the first few hundred bytes of a MS Word document in hexadecimal. Nothing interesting.

Or so you would have us believe.
/Bwahahaha!

179 nevertires  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:42:06pm

re: #165 publicityStunted

That happened in the riding right next to mine!

Maybe we're neighbours - though I hear that it has happened in several ridings coast-to-coast.

There is a few of us here. Hmm - Lizards North!

180 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:43:28pm

re: #176 Slumbering Behemoth

You have those that only believe in every stupid conspiracy theory if it's a dem that is the evil perpetrator, or those that only buy it when a rep is the evil perp.

Then you have folks like us, regardless of affiliation, that don't buy any of that garbage. I think you can figure out which of the three have a more consistent history of intellectual honesty.

It's bipartisan. Just like Alex Jones's audience. One night I listened to Art Bell and couldn't figure out whether the callers were left wingers or right wingers at times.

181 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:43:57pm

re: #175 MinisterO

Wishful thinking. It's the first few hundred bytes of a MS Word document in hexadecimal. Nothing interesting.

That depends. An MS Word Document is only what is written on it, nothing more or less. It could be a recipe or the start of the Great American Novel.

182 Mr Pancakes  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:44:27pm

re: #170 ProLifeLiberal

I'm hardened Social Democrat, Nordic Style. Being an Average Liberal in Colorado Springs was impossible. I found out about the Social Democratic ideology, and attached to it.

Nice to meet you..... I'm an antisocial Independent.

183 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:47:59pm

I wish they hadn't code-named Osama 'Geronimo'. Geronimo deserves better.

184 Kragar  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:48:15pm

re: #177 Mr Pancakes

Flight Of The Conchords... love it!

Youtube Video
185 SpaceJesus  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:50:23pm

i would have codenamed osama "dickface"

186 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:50:28pm

re: #182 Mr Pancakes

Nice to meet you... I'm an antisocial Independent.

Those are the worst! I sentence you to be covered in blackberry jam, cut into pieces and eaten!

/Pancake humor

187 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:51:09pm

Oh yeah. I'm pretty sure that as soon as they release the photo of bin Laden's corpse that should convince the conspiracy theorists.

//

188 Mr Pancakes  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:51:15pm

re: #184 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

[Video]

Good one........ I only knew this one.

Youtube Video
189 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:51:19pm

re: #183 SanFranciscoZionist

I wish they hadn't code-named Osama 'Geronimo'. Geronimo deserves better.

Still, it fits. Geronimo was very hard to catch.

190 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:51:31pm

re: #185 SpaceJesus

i would have codenamed osama "dickface"

chodebreath for the win.

191 Mr Pancakes  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:52:14pm

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

Those are the worst! I sentence you to be covered in blackberry jam, cut into pieces and eaten!

/Pancake humor

Hmmm..... just another Saturday night.

192 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:53:10pm

re: #180 Gus 802

It's bipartisan. Just like Alex Jones's audience. One night I listened to Art Bell and couldn't figure out whether the callers were left wingers or right wingers at times.

They're "Outwingers", as in "Out of their fucking minds".

At least AJ is consistent. I don't respect a damn thing about the loon, but if I had to pick one thing, that would be it.

It's the "OMG! How could you be so stupid/blind/sheeple? Of course the gov't is evil" when the party they oppose has a dude in the oval office, then quickly switch to "OMG! How could you be so stupid/blind/sheeple? Of course our gov't wouldn't do anything like that" when the party they love has a dude in the oval office.

Those people I can't stand. Not a single introspective, reflective, intellectually honest bone in their entire body.

193 Kragar  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:53:31pm

re: #188 Mr Pancakes

Good one... I only knew this one.

[Video]

My favorite

Youtube Video
194 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:56:47pm

re: #192 Slumbering Behemoth

They're "Outwingers", as in "Out of their fucking minds".

At least AJ is consistent. I don't respect a damn thing about the loon, but if I had to pick one thing, that would be it.

It's the "OMG! How could you be so stupid/blind/sheeple? Of course the gov't is evil" when the party they oppose has a dude in the oval office, then quickly switch to "OMG! How could you be so stupid/blind/sheeple? Of course our gov't wouldn't do anything like that" when the party they love has a dude in the oval office.

Those people I can't stand. Not a single introspective, reflective, intellectually honest bone in their entire body.

True, and they're also very hateful, too.

195 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:58:07pm

re: #192 Slumbering Behemoth

They're "Outwingers", as in "Out of their fucking minds".

At least AJ is consistent. I don't respect a damn thing about the loon, but if I had to pick one thing, that would be it.

It's the "OMG! How could you be so stupid/blind/sheeple? Of course the gov't is evil" when the party they oppose has a dude in the oval office, then quickly switch to "OMG! How could you be so stupid/blind/sheeple? Of course our gov't wouldn't do anything like that" when the party they love has a dude in the oval office.

Those people I can't stand. Not a single introspective, reflective, intellectually honest bone in their entire body.

Interesting that a lot of these people see Wikileaks as the Holy Grail of "truth!" But Wikileaks really hasn't produced anything extraordinary. Most if it routine government information. There's been no smoking gun about any sinister government plot revealed by Wikileaks.

196 Mr Pancakes  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:58:09pm

re: #193 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My favorite

[Video]

Good one....... that song sounded almost like Piano Man by Billy Joel.

197 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 2, 2011 9:59:55pm

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

I've run into more than a few from both sides of the aisle in my worldly meanderings. They are the types I've dubbed "Animal Farm Ideologues". Four legs good and all that.

Hatred is huge in that crowd.

198 Kragar  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:00:26pm

re: #196 Mr Pancakes

Good one... that song sounded almost like Piano Man by Billy Joel.

Another good one, from their pre-HBO work

Youtube Video
199 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:01:57pm

re: #195 Gus 802

I think the whole operation is about one man's ego, and his quest to bed as many different women from as many different countries as possible.

200 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:03:12pm

They're asking "why did they bury him at sea! To hide the body?" Sure, but even if they did retain the body it would not be open for public viewing and photographs would also not be released. Then if they showed the body even on video they'd say "that's not really bin Laden that's just CGI!"

Spinning wheels.

201 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:04:00pm

re: #197 Slumbering Behemoth

I've run into more than a few from both sides of the aisle in my worldly meanderings. They are the types I've dubbed "Animal Farm Ideologues". Four legs good and all that.

Hatred is huge in that crowd.

Very true. I know I'm partisan, but I've learned to leave the lunacy out and that the Dems aren't actually evil.

202 efuseakay  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:04:55pm

He probably has all of the PSN users' data...

203 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:05:03pm

And you show them the body but they think it's fake. Yet they think the stupid martian photos and videos are real.

Drop some more acid man.

204 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:05:57pm

The moon landings were fake but this stupid alien video is real!

//

205 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:06:07pm

re: #203 Gus 802

Goddamnit Gus! I've dropped plenty in my lifetime, don't blame the 'cid.

206 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:07:00pm

CTers are funny. They can't trust the government but they trust people like David Icke who insist that the British royals, Bush family, and house of Rothchild are actually reptiles.

207 SpaceJesus  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:07:07pm
Youtube Video
208 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:08:10pm

re: #206 HappyWarrior

CTers are funny. They can't trust the government but they trust people like David Icke who insist that the British royals, Bush family, and house of Rothchild are actually reptiles.

Really? They're lizards?

*looks around*

Where are they?

209 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:08:43pm

re: #206 HappyWarrior

CTers are funny. They can't trust the government but they trust people like David Icke who insist that the British royals, Bush family, and house of Rothchild are actually reptiles.

God isn't real man but the Bush family are really reptiles man.

//

210 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:10:06pm

re: #206 HappyWarrior

Icke, Jones, Robertson, Falwell. They all run the same play, but switch around the antagonists and protagonists to suit their desired narrative.

211 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:10:24pm

Well. I guess the History Channel is all set for a lot of future programming.

//

212 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:11:13pm

re: #211 Gus 802

Well. I guess the History Channel is all set for a lot of future programming.

//

I dunno, really.
I mean, we watch, hear and read history happening in real time.

213 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:13:12pm

re: #212 reine.de.tout

I dunno, really.
I mean, we watch, hear and read history happening in real time.

I mean along the line of their "alien" and conspiracy programming.

Secrets of the GWOT!

214 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:13:25pm

re: #209 Gus 802

The ones that always set my teeth on edge are the "Your religion is totally made up bullshit. BTW, did you know how awesomely real and true astrology/tarot/other woo-woo bullshit is" types.

215 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:14:07pm

I still think South Park had one of the funniest takes on conspiracy theories that the government uses them to make people think they're more powerful than they are.

216 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:14:30pm

re: #185 SpaceJesus

i would have codenamed osama "dickface"

"We have confirmation. Dickface is in our sights."

217 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:14:46pm

re: #214 Slumbering Behemoth

The ones that always set my teeth on edge are the "Your religion is totally made up bullshit. BTW, did you know how awesomely real and true astrology/tarot/other woo-woo bullshit is" types.

Exactly. "Yeah those people praying to be cure. Are they for real? You should really try this latest homeopathic cure." Huh?

218 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:15:31pm

"The Pope lies! Now, I have to go to the store and pick up some medicinal gravel."

//

219 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:15:35pm

Time for me to get to bed. Goodnight, all.

220 ProMayaLiberal  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:15:37pm

re: #214 Slumbering Behemoth

Is it even able to be called History Channel anymore? They have not much of it, and a whole lot of Reality Shows and Conspiracy Theories.

221 austin_blue  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:15:44pm

Bin Laden's Hard Drive:

Late to the party. Are these files on there?

Bubbi's Hummus Surprise (my favorite!)

The Burqa Warehouse (I guarantee it!)

Potassium Permanganate Party Tricks (love the alliteration!)

How to decrease your height by 7 inches ( No, that's *height*. Still working on this.)

Dialysis for Morons (Still working on this, too. Damn Allah for his hubris.)

Decorating tips for low light houses (Very helpful!)

Taking bullets by Halal (Still trying to figure this out. Where's the meat?)

222 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:15:52pm

re: #199 Slumbering Behemoth

I think the whole operation is about one man's ego, and his quest to bed as many different women from as many different countries as possible.

And to be perfectly honest, one could say the same of me. The difference?

I'm straightforward about it, and don't pretend to hide my lechery behind the shield of truth and freedom.

223 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:17:15pm

"What are you kidding me? A heaven after death is bullshit. I'm pretty sure we're reincarnated."

//

224 Mr Pancakes  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:17:36pm

I'm Happy

Ivor Cutler........ poetry in lotion........ why did I post this? Must be the beer.

RIP Ivor

Youtube Video
225 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:17:48pm

re: #214 Slumbering Behemoth

The ones that always set my teeth on edge are the "Your religion is totally made up bullshit. BTW, did you know how awesomely real and true astrology/tarot/other woo-woo bullshit is" types.

Someone shared this with me here a while back.

I am returning the favor.

226 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:18:36pm

Sharp moon landing movies aren't real but fuzzy and crappy films and photos of a UFO taken by some drunk guy in Arizona are real.

//

227 Querent  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:19:05pm

al Qaeda was supposed to mean 'the base'

Well then all your qaeda are belong to us!

228 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:19:29pm

re: #222 Slumbering Behemoth

And to be perfectly honest, one could say the same of me. The difference?

I'm straightforward about it, and don't pretend to hide my lechery behind the shield of truth and freedom.

An honest lecher?
Now there's a concept . . .

229 SpaceJesus  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:19:33pm

re: #216 SanFranciscoZionist

the people on facebook complaining about geronimo have become kind of intolerable. im gonna come hang out over here for a while.

also i think "ballsniffer" would be a good one

230 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:21:28pm

re: #229 SpaceJesus

the people on facebook complaining about geronimo have become kind of intolerable. im gonna come hang out over here for a while.

also i think "ballsniffer" would be a good one

Maybe next time they should use a code name like "Pat Boone".

//

231 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:21:37pm

re: #218 Gus 802

"Medicinal Gravel"? I love it! Sounds like something prescribed, on-the-fly, to someone in immediate need of an attitude adjustment procedure.

232 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:23:17pm

re: #225 SanFranciscoZionist

Someone shared this with me here a while back.

I am returning the favor.

I linked that in the pages a week or so ago. I thought nobody cared. :(
///

233 TedStriker  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:23:18pm

re: #183 SanFranciscoZionist

I wish they hadn't code-named Osama 'Geronimo'. Geronimo deserves better.

American Indians, shit on by the US government...again.

*sigh*

234 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:24:03pm

re: #231 Slumbering Behemoth

"Medicinal Gravel"? I love it! Sounds like something prescribed, on-the-fly, to someone in immediate need of an attitude adjustment procedure.

You place the gravel on the floor and stand on it for 15 minutes a day while listening to my soothing voice on the included DVD. It also cures most cancers.

//

235 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:25:11pm

I'm not going to worry about some dumb code name.

236 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:25:11pm

re: #228 reine.de.tout

An honest lecher?
Now there's a concept . . .

I'm may be a perv, but I gotta make sure people know where I'm coming from if they're gonna take that ride. I hate bullshitters.

237 austin_blue  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:26:09pm

re: #221 austin_blue

Bin Laden's Hard Drive:

Late to the party. Are these files (annotated by Osama)on there?

Bubbi's Hummus Surprise recipe (my favorite!)

The Burqa Warehouse (I guarantee it!)

Potassium Permanganate Party Tricks (love the alliteration!)

How to decrease your height by 7 inches ( No, that's *height*, not length. Still working on this.)

Dialysis for Morons (Still working on this, too. Damn Allah for his hubris.)

Decorating tips for low light houses (Very helpful!)

Taking bullets by Halal guidelines (Still trying to figure this out. Where's the beef?)

Damn, I blew the punch line.

PIMF. And good night, all.

238 Mr Pancakes  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:27:11pm

Death Cab for Cutie

Sure looks like George Harrison and John Lennon make an appearance at 1:28.

Youtube Video
239 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:29:41pm

re: #234 Gus 802

"Son, you seem to have a medical problem I've encountered before. Oral diarrhea, or as some call it, 'Talking Too Much Shit'. Come with me out to the parking lot, I have a healthy dose of medicinal gravel for you that should clear that problem up".

240 Mr Pancakes  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:33:45pm

re: #239 Slumbering Behemoth

"Son, you seem to have a medical problem I've encountered before. Oral diarrhea, or as some call it, 'Talking Too Much Shit'. Come with me out to the parking lot, I have a healthy dose of medicinal gravel for you that should clear that problem up".

Orange flavored gravel is called Metamucil.

241 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:34:21pm

re: #240 Mr Pancakes

Orange flavored gravel is called Metamucil.

Or as I like to call it, Metamucus.

/

242 TedStriker  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:34:24pm

re: #235 Gus 802

I'm not going to worry about some dumb code name.

I'm not fretting all that much, but whoever did pick "Geronimo" for OBL should have put a little more thought into it, given the US government's sordid behavior towards American Indians in the past (and to some extent, in the present).

Geronimo may have been an outlaw, but, IMO, he was nothing like OBL.

243 TedStriker  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:36:24pm

re: #240 Mr Pancakes

Orange flavored gravel is called Metamucil.

re: #241 Gus 802

Or as I like to call it, Metamucus.

/

Metamucil (at least the Walmart version) is OK, if you mix it with enough water and drink it quickly...to me, it's kind of like Tang. However, the fiber capsules are easy peasy, lemon squeezy.

244 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:36:56pm

re: #242 talon_262

I'm not fretting all that much, but whoever did pick "Geronimo" for OBL should have put a little more thought into it, given the US government's sordid behavior towards American Indians in the past (and to some extent, in the present).

Geronimo may have been an outlaw, but, IMO, he was nothing like OBL.

I doubt there was an implied comparison. Just a name someone came up with. Geronimo is also used as a verb when people take big leaps. Especially when jumping out of an airplane.

"I'm going in! Geronimo!"

245 Mr Pancakes  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:37:43pm

re: #241 Gus 802

Or as I like to call it, Metamucus.

/

Or as I like to call it...... "the container that has been sitting on the top shelf in the back for years that can't be reached without a ladder".

246 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:38:12pm

re: #245 Mr Pancakes

Or as I like to call it... "the container that has been sitting on the top shelf in the back for years that can't be reached without a ladder".

You do that too?

247 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:39:17pm

"Hmm. I could use some more fiber. Think I'll buy me some Metamucus."

Use it for about 3 days and that's it. It's almost like buying fruit.

//

248 Mr Pancakes  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:39:36pm

re: #243 talon_262

re: #241 Gus 802

Metamucil (at least the Walmart version) is OK, if you mix it with enough water and drink it quickly...to me, it's kind of like Tang. However, the fiber capsules are easy peasy, lemon squeezy.

Yea.... ok...... slimy chunky tang. The key is to drink it quickly like you said.

249 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:39:50pm

So... more beer, a video game, then sleep. Laters.

And BTW, if Osama ends up floating down to R'lyeh, I'm gonna be super pissed. I'm being seriously, you guys.

250 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:42:12pm

re: #248 Mr Pancakes

Yea... ok... slimy chunky tang. The key is to drink it quickly like you said.

I don't mind the taste. It's just that I never was good at creating new habits like that. Or a routine. But a routine is based on creating a habit. Hmmm. Just eyeballed these vitamins I bought about a month ago. Think I've had about 4 of those.

251 Mr Pancakes  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:42:14pm

re: #249 Slumbering Behemoth

So... more beer, a video game, then sleep. Laters.

And BTW, if Osama ends up floating down to R'lyeh, I'm gonna be super pissed. I'm being seriously, you guys.

Yea... well I'm going to pause when I eat sushi for awhile.

252 TedStriker  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:43:23pm

re: #244 Gus 802

I doubt there was an implied comparison. Just a name someone came up with. Geronimo is also used as a verb when people take big leaps. Especially when jumping out of an airplane.

"I'm going in! Geronimo!"

I don't think the person/committee who gives out code names like this did it with malice, it just seems, given the history of Geronimo and the American Indians, just a hair insensitive.

It is what it is, however, and, more importantly, OBL sleeps with the fishes...I'm satisfied with that.

253 Kragar  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:45:11pm

re: #249 Slumbering Behemoth

So... more beer, a video game, then sleep. Laters.

And BTW, if Osama ends up floating down to R'lyeh, I'm gonna be super pissed. I'm being seriously, you guys.

BY CTHULHU'S UNDEAD SUPPOSITORY!

254 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:46:07pm

re: #252 talon_262

I don't think the person/committee who gives out code names like this did it with malice, it just seems, given the history of Geronimo and the American Indians, just a hair insensitive.

It is what it is, however, and, more importantly, OBL sleeps with the fishes...I'm satisfied with that.

OK I can accept that. Here's the etymology.

Geronimo
cry made in jumping, from the story of the Apache leader Geronimo making a daring leap to escape U.S. cavalry pursuers at Medicine Bluffs, Oklahoma (and supposedly shouting his name in defiance as he did). Adopted as battle cry by 82nd Airborne U.S. paratroopers in World War II, who perhaps had seen it in the 1939 Paramount Studios movie "Geronimo." The name is the Italian and Spanish form of Jerome, from Gk. Hieronomos, lit. "sacred name."

255 Mr Pancakes  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:54:46pm

Since it's kind of a dead thread I guess I can declare my love for Beck.

Youtube Video
256 Irenicum  Mon, May 2, 2011 10:56:48pm

Can I just say how happy I am to scroll through your last several posts Charles. Very, very satisfying. Truly a busy two days, but well worth revisiting...for a long time.

257 Gus  Mon, May 2, 2011 11:01:04pm

Good night.

258 bosforus  Mon, May 2, 2011 11:07:15pm

The article says "Geronimo" was the code for having killed OBL, like, "job's done", not the code name for OBL.

259 TedStriker  Mon, May 2, 2011 11:19:20pm

re: #258 bosforus

The article says "Geronimo" was the code for having killed OBL, like, "job's done", not the code name for OBL.

If that's the case, I can deal with that...kind of like the codenames in Cheech and Chong's Up in Smoke.

Youtube Video

:-P
260 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 2, 2011 11:33:51pm

re: #252 talon_262

btw, Geronimo's given name in Apache was "Goyahkla," it was corrupted over time to "Geronimo".

I think it was short for "Geronimotherf***ah!"

261 BruxellesBlog  Mon, May 2, 2011 11:34:30pm
“Can you imagine what’s on Osama bin Laden’s hard drive?”

A whole bunch of names, addresses, bank transfer data and emails from Pakistani politicians, Saudi Politicians, Class acts from Yemen, Iraqi's on the take, CAIR officials, contacts from the extremest networks in Germany, Netherlands, France, and Belgium; London based extreme leftists and morons (is George Galloway packing a bag tonight?), and a few details from some of the nicer folks from Dubai.

In short, the motherload.

262 sagehen  Mon, May 2, 2011 11:37:46pm

re: #140 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We can call it Uno de Mayo!

You do realize May Day is a communist holiday?

263 Kragar  Mon, May 2, 2011 11:38:59pm

re: #262 sagehen

You do realize May Day is a communist holiday?

Not anymore!

264 TedStriker  Mon, May 2, 2011 11:44:51pm

re: #261 BruxellesBlog

A whole bunch of names, addresses, bank transfer data and emails from Pakistani politicians, Saudi Politicians, Class acts from Yemen, Iraqi's on the take, CAIR officials, contacts from the extremest networks in Germany, Netherlands, France, and Belgium; London based extreme leftists and morons (is George Galloway packing a bag tonight?), and a few details from some of the nicer folks from Dubai.

In short, the motherload.

Why I don't like Ibrahim Hooper and CAIR much at all, I seriously doubt they're traitors...just fucked up and misguided most of the time.

265 TedStriker  Mon, May 2, 2011 11:45:25pm

re: #264 talon_262

*While, not why

266 Summer Seale  Mon, May 2, 2011 11:47:53pm

re: #11 Walter L. Newton

Stop posting porn!

267 Kragar  Mon, May 2, 2011 11:50:01pm

re: #266 Summer

Stop posting porn!

Could be worse. He could have posted Rush.

1001001 SOS

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268 Amory Blaine  Tue, May 3, 2011 12:27:07am

Wasn't the building housing 3 families? Osama probably was crashing on someones couch.

269 TedStriker  Tue, May 3, 2011 12:32:44am

re: #268 Amory Blaine

Wasn't the building housing 3 families? Osama probably was crashing on someones couch.

To my understanding, there was another family living there. Also, IIRC, the "mansion" was supposedly a "former" ISI safe house, so you know elements of the ISI and Pakistani military knew he was there.

270 Caoimhe  Tue, May 3, 2011 12:45:30am

Can you imagine how terrified everyone in the room with Obama must have been when the helicopter went down? I'm sure EVERYONE was remembering Carter's hostage rescue failure right then.

271 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 12:51:54am

Julian Assange, you fucking asshole

Courier who led U.S. to Osama bin Laden's hideout identified

A diplomatic source told CNN that the courier who was in close contact with Osama bin Laden and who eventually led the United States to him was a Kuwaiti named Abu Ahmad.

U.S. officials have said that when the identity of the courier -- who they have not named -- was established in 2007 the U.S. began a path to the house in Abbottabad, Pakistan, where the al Qaeda leader was living.

Analysis of assessments of detainees held at the U.S. Navy's detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, include several mentions of a man by the name of Abu Ahmad al Kuwaiti, who was reportedly close to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed -- also a Kuwaiti.

The information on the detainee assessments came from U.S. Defense Department documents published by WikiLeaks.

"Oh, don't worry, we scrub everything so everyone is safe."

If Assange's publishing had cost us this operation then [deleted]

Fucking bastard, him and anonymous, fucking with shit they don't have a clue about.

272 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 1:50:18am

Hilarity from Hotair:

Wow, AP, you couldn’t be more wrong on this point.

Thursday is the National Day of Prayer, which BHO has refused to celebrate since becoming dictator. This Thursday, however, he’s going to celebrate by going to Ground Zero to ‘mark’ UBL’s death. What an a$$hole. Last night I pointed out that he finally said “under God” in his speech. BHO is the worst kind of charlatan, but for whatever reason, people like him. I hope he burns with UBL. I really do.

madmonkphotog on May 2, 2011 at 10:15 PM


Oh, they are really quite upset over at HotAir, heeheeheehee

273 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 1:51:27am

re: #261 BruxellesBlog

bug off, amateur

274 samgak  Tue, May 3, 2011 2:04:29am

re: #271 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Julian Assange, you fucking asshole

Courier who led U.S. to Osama bin Laden's hideout identified

"Oh, don't worry, we scrub everything so everyone is safe."

If Assange's publishing had cost us this operation then [deleted]

Fucking bastard, him and anonymous, fucking with shit they don't have a clue about.


What moral obligation does Julian Assange have to ensure nothing gets in the way of killing Osama bin Laden? Why should he give that a higher priority than exposing the lies behind the Iraq War?

275 2senseplain  Tue, May 3, 2011 2:37:40am

re: #158 Gus 802

The only doubt I had was the difficulty of getting intelligence from a corpse. However, if they got the hard drives, its all good. More. Faster (Carefully, of course).

276 boxhead  Tue, May 3, 2011 2:50:30am

re: #261 BruxellesBlog

A whole bunch of names, addresses, bank transfer data and emails from Pakistani politicians, Saudi Politicians, Class acts from Yemen, Iraqi's on the take, CAIR officials, contacts from the extremest networks in Germany, Netherlands, France, and Belgium; London based extreme leftists and morons (is George Galloway packing a bag tonight?), and a few details from some of the nicer folks from Dubai.

In short, the motherload.

I thought it was the missing Sony PS3 network information... :p

//

277 abolitionist  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:34:25am

re: #262 sagehen

You do realize May Day is a communist holiday?

Considering their own losses to OBL in the 80s, I suppose many Russians would celebrate the takedown, altho perhaps with mixed feelings.

278 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:34:50am

re: #261 BruxellesBlog

A whole bunch of names, addresses, bank transfer data and emails from Pakistani politicians, Saudi Politicians, Class acts from Yemen, Iraqi's on the take, CAIR officials, contacts from the extremest networks in Germany, Netherlands, France, and Belgium; London based extreme leftists and morons (is George Galloway packing a bag tonight?), and a few details from some of the nicer folks from Dubai.

In short, the motherload.

Wishful thinking. It would be fun to catch Galloway taking a big fat stipend from Osama's Saudi paymasters though.

279 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:45:08am

Morning, all

280 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:48:18am

On the local news the said Osama was hit just above the left eye and that part of if skull was blown apart.

281 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:48:57am

re: #280 Varek Raith

On the local news they said Osama was hit just above the left eye and that part of his skull was blown apart.


JEEBUS SAVE ME FROM MY TYPOS!

282 iceweasel  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:49:12am

re: #279 researchok

Morning, all

Morning! there's a spider in my bathtub.

/I know, that's the news everyone is dying to hear.

283 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:50:26am

re: #282 iceweasel

Morning! there's a spider in my bathtub.

/I know, that's the news everyone is dying to hear.

Don't like spiders???
I like spiders.

284 iceweasel  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:52:03am

re: #283 Varek Raith

Don't like spiders???
I like spiders.

They're pretty cool actually. This one is kinda large though!

285 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:53:22am

re: #282 iceweasel

Morning! there's a spider in my bathtub.

/I know, that's the news everyone is dying to hear.

Beat it with the sporran.

286 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:54:00am

re: #281 Varek Raith

JEEBUS SAVE ME FROM MY TYPOS!

Welcome to my world.

287 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:57:10am

re: #286 researchok

Welcome to my world.

I type too fast and don't bother to read what I just typed.
Heh.

288 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 3:59:49am

re: #285 researchok

Beat it with the sporran.

He is not amused.
Image: Theraphosa_blondi_1.jpg

289 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:02:50am

Anyone here get invaded by these little dudes?
Image: Stinkbug.jpg

They're very curious and somewhat silly. The ones in my house like to go around the plant post over and over and over.

Cute.

290 iceweasel  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:04:06am

re: #289 Varek Raith

Anyone here get invaded by these little dudes?
Image: Stinkbug.jpg

They're very curious and somewhat silly. The ones in my house like to go around the plant post over and over and over.

Cute.

That's a cool looking bug. Its back looks like a warrior's shield of some sort.

291 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:07:22am

re: #289 Varek Raith

Anyone here get invaded by these little dudes?
Image: Stinkbug.jpg

They're very curious and somewhat silly. The ones in my house like to go around the plant post over and over and over.

Cute.

If you happen to suck one up into the vacuum cleaner, you will find out why it has that name.

292 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:08:08am

re: #291 Alouette

If you happen to suck one up into the vacuum cleaner, you will find out why it has that name.

I just leave them alone. Same with spiders.
I'm weird like that.

293 abolitionist  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:10:20am

Senate: Put OBL Reward at $50 Million - July 13, 2007 "The threat against our country today is a threat by Osama bin Laden, the leadership of al Qaeda operating from a secure and safe place in Pakistan, we are told, planning attacks against our country and others," Sen. Dorgan said.

Don't know if it became law, but I hope we do the right thing with respect to the reward offer(s).

294 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:14:00am

re: #289 Varek Raith

re: #290 iceweasel

Cute? Cool?

You are a strange lot.

295 iceweasel  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:14:07am

This may now be my favourite Obama photoshop ever.Obama

296 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:14:58am

re: #294 researchok

re: #290 iceweasel

Cute? Cool?

You are a strange lot.

When I see one I sometimes say, "Hey, buddy."
:P

297 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:17:48am

re: #296 Varek Raith

When I see one I sometimes say, "Hey, buddy."
:P

Get help.

Immediately.
//

298 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:19:18am

re: #297 researchok

Get help.

Immediately.
//

I am.
The Morlocks are coming up to the surface to overthrow humanity.
Yep.
/

299 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:19:57am

I'm still on the 'Ding dong, Obama's gone' plan.

It's a nice feeling.

On the tech front, yesterday I switched to ATT Uverse for internet and cable.

Beaucoup nice

300 iceweasel  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:21:11am

re: #299 researchok

I'm still on the 'Ding dong, Obama's gone' plan.

It's a nice feeling.

On the tech front, yesterday I switched to ATT Uverse for internet and cable.

Beaucoup nice

Freudian slip? It's not 2012 yet!

301 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:21:23am

'Ding dong, Osama's gone' plan.

Just shoot me

302 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:21:33am

re: #299 researchok

I'm still on the 'Ding dong, Osama's gone' plan.

It's a nice feeling.

On the tech front, yesterday I switched to ATT Uverse for internet and cable.

Beaucoup nice

FTFY.
Lol, everyone I know has now done this...
XD

303 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:22:41am

re: #301 researchok

'Ding dong, Osama's gone' plan.

Just shoot me

Ok.
Image: 92590d1215431746-golf-cart-cops-pewpewpew.jpg

304 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:23:50am

re: #300 iceweasel

Freudian slip? It's not 2012 yet!

Smartass.

Actually, I like Obama.

Even more since L'Affaire Osama.

He's been steadfast on national security and has done a bang up job, notwithstanding the grief many of his political base have given him.

He gets my respect for that with absolutely no reservations.

305 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:28:25am

My biggest beefs with Obama is centered on two issues:

Healthcare, which I approve of. That said, how hew proposes to pay for it is non workable. Also, he ought to phase it in, if fo rno other reason than to work out the kinks.

Second, the economy will not recover with a singular focus. Taxing the rich makes for nice soundbites but it won't fix anything.

He has to spend on infrastructure without political considerations.

Bridges, not flower pots for bicycle paths.

That's the game changer.

307 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:30:43am

re: #306 Varek Raith

Lol.
Doocy: Bin Laden Death Deniers Won't "Believe DNA" Evidence, "That's Just Numbers On A Piece Of Paper"

He's right.

Like the birthers, these lunatics will only believe what they want to believe.

No evidence will ever be good enough.

308 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:32:52am

re: #307 researchok

He's right.

Like the birthers, these lunatics will only believe what they want to believe.

No evidence will ever be good enough.

9-11 Truthers, Birthers and Deathers UNITE!

309 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:33:50am

re: #295 iceweasel

This may now be my favourite Obama photoshop ever.Obama

That's awesome!

310 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:33:50am

re: #308 Varek Raith

9-11 Truthers, Birthers and Deathers UNITE!

EXACTLY

311 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:34:54am

re: #308 Varek Raith

9-11 Truthers, Birthers and Deathers UNITE!

Grassy Knollers Welcome.
Mooners NOT welcome.
Er...
Lol

312 iceweasel  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:35:04am

re: #309 Alouette

That's awesome!

I can't take credit-- it's from CJ's post earlier about the best ones at Boing Boing.

313 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:35:32am

re: #311 Varek Raith

Grassy Knollers Welcome.
Mooners NOT welcome.
Er...
Lol

You can make room for the flat earthers.

314 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:36:39am

re: #313 researchok

You can make room for the flat earthers.

Sadly, most of them refuse to get on a plane or boat. Something about falling into the void or something.

315 jamesfirecat  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:38:20am

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

You mean how he outmaneuvered that left coalition a few years back to stay in power? I actually praised him for that. But I'm not one who sees matters of honor having a place in the legislature, I'm more of an 'anything to win' type on such matters. Much of that comes from being raised in Chicago, where nasty alderman are powerful and nice guys finish last.

Dark I"m not being sarcastic here....

I realize that we are all products of our environment and in many ways we can't help but at the very least subconsciously emulate the situations we were raised into.

That said... I think you might find it productive to take a couple very deep breaths and ponder if by being a "anything to win type" you aren't helping insure that the future Chicago politicians are also "anything to win types" where nice guys finish last, regardless of what party they belong to?

316 RogueOne  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:40:25am

Morning all!

re: #282 iceweasel

Morning! there's a spider in my bathtub.

/I know, that's the news everyone is dying to hear.

Spiders, in the morning, are good luck
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
If you see a spider in the morning, it means good luck so you shouldn't kill it, but if you see one at night, it means bad luck so you can kill it.

317 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:40:51am

re: #314 Varek Raith

Sadly, most of them refuse to get on a plane or boat. Something about falling into the void or something.

On a serious not, there is a real pathos in people buying into these absurd- and hurtful- conspiracy theories.

Falt earthers and moon landing nut jobs are very different from the truthers, birthers and deathers, all of whom have an underlying political agenda.

318 jamesfirecat  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:42:46am

re: #170 ProLifeLiberal

I'm hardened Social Democrat, Nordic Style. Being an Average Liberal in Colorado Springs was impossible. I found out about the Social Democratic ideology, and attached to it.

Does being a Nordic Style democrat mean that you like to get in a long boat, row over to people's houses, bash down their doors with a battle axe... and then tell them about the importance of government safety nets?

319 RogueOne  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:44:40am

re: #306 Varek Raith

Lol.
Doocy: Bin Laden Death Deniers Won't "Believe DNA" Evidence, "That's Just Numbers On A Piece Of Paper"

12 members of a jury didn't believe the OJ DNA evidence. Even if (when) they release the pics/video it's not going to stop people from believing it's a sham but they still need to release it.

I want to see the video damnit!

320 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:45:52am

re: #319 RogueOne

12 members of a jury didn't believe the OJ DNA evidence. Even if (when) they release the pics/video it's not going to stop people from believing it's a sham but they still need to release it.

I want to see the video damnit!

The video will do zero to change the mind of the conspiracy nuts.

321 RogueOne  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:47:19am

re: #320 researchok

Doesn't matter, We're entitled to have it. The fact that it happened is no longer a secret so there isn't any reason to keep it classified. Blur out the faces of the troops and put it on the white house web page.

322 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:48:56am

Later gators.

323 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:49:32am

re: #282 iceweasel

Morning! there's a spider in my bathtub.

Early in our marriage, my wife found a spider in the tub. She called in her knight in shining armor and I doth snuff it (in Thy mercy).

I flushed it down the toilet (today, I would have just taken the poor critter outside) walked into the bedroom and in my most Mafia accent said, "The Spider. He sleeps with the feces."

She didn't get it.

I almost filed for divorce right then and there.

324 RogueOne  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:50:51am

re: #323 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't kill spiders but I'll use WMD tactics against ants. Spiders are supposedly good luck and I need all the good karma I can get.

325 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:51:15am

re: #316 RogueOne

Morning all!

If you see a spider in the morning, it means good luck so you shouldn't kill it, but if you see one at night, it means bad luck so you can kill it.

I once read that over the course of our lives, we all eat many spiders while we are sleeping. They crawl across our faces... and well? It's their own damn faults!

326 RogueOne  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:54:46am

re: #320 researchok

The video will do zero to change the mind of the conspiracy nuts.

The ME is the bermuda triangle of conspiracy loons. No matter what we say or release they're going to come up with dozens of theories. This should be about transparency. We're the ones that vote, that pay the bills, and we're the ones that filled the ranks of those units involved. We're entitled to see what we've done. I think they're going to start releasing stuff slowly but I'm the impatient type.

327 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:58:23am

re: #326 RogueOne

The ME planet Earth is the bermuda triangle of conspiracy loons.

I understand a Mullah telling his followers whatever he wants them to think, though. Over here? I just don't fucking get it.

They have TVs and computers and newspapers and radios and shit. Right?

328 RogueOne  Tue, May 3, 2011 4:58:32am

A reporter on MSNBC just said the average age of the seals that went into that compound is 38 yrs old. That's pretty incredible. I expected they would be roughly 30.

329 RogueOne  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:00:31am

re: #327 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The ME planet Earth is the bermuda triangle of conspiracy loons.

I understand a Mullah telling his followers whatever he wants them to think, though. Over here? I just don't fucking get it.

They have TVs and computers and newspapers and radios and shit. Right?

it's part of the culture in the ME. It's been that way for thousands of years. Someone with a background in history/psychology should do a study...hint hint researchok. Get on it man, did you miss the part where I said I was the impatient type?

330 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:00:46am

re: #327 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The ME planet Earth is the bermuda triangle of conspiracy loons.

I understand a Mullah telling his followers whatever he wants them to think, though. Over here? I just don't fucking get it.

They have TVs and computers and newspapers and radios and shit. Right?

They don't wan to get it. They want to believe someone else is really controlling their lives.

They aren't responsible, you see.

Easier that way.

331 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:01:16am

re: #328 RogueOne

A reporter on MSNBC just said the average age of the seals that went into that compound is 38 yrs old. That's pretty incredible. I expected they would be roughly 30.

Brains (maturity) over brawn.

332 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:01:44am

re: #329 RogueOne

it's part of the culture in the ME. It's been that way for thousands of years. Someone with a background in history/psychology should do a study...hint hint researchok. Get on it man, did you miss the part where I said I was the impatient type?

It's been done, RO.

333 RogueOne  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:03:46am

re: #330 researchok

They don't wan to get it. They want to believe someone else is really controlling their lives.

They aren't responsible, you see.

Easier that way.

There is one conspiracy where I want to see some answers. How is it possible that Bin Laden could have been located where he was and not one person in the pakistani government not know?

334 Sionainn  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:08:54am

re: #323 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Early in our marriage, my wife found a spider in the tub. She called in her knight in shining armor and I doth snuff it (in Thy mercy).

I flushed it down the toilet (today, I would have just taken the poor critter outside) walked into the bedroom and in my most Mafia accent said, "The Spider. He sleeps with the feces."

She didn't get it.

I almost filed for divorce right then and there.

You'd get along perfectly with my husband.

335 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:09:53am

People believe in conspiracies for one principal reason

As I noted in 330, if you believe there are outside influences controlling events, nothing you do will allow you to succeed in life. Thus, why try?

The Arab world and the Jews are prime examples of that, with real dysfunction that follows.

On the one hand the Arab claim to be the most righteous and innocent victims of conspiracies against them. In the same breath, they tell how they will take over the control events for Islam.

For many Muslims, that is reality.

In fact, in accepting and promoting these ideas, it becomes clear how they must project their own inferiorities for the argument to hold water.

336 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:10:17am

re: #334 Sionainn

HOW COULD SHE NOT GET IT?!?!?

337 Sionainn  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:11:21am

re: #336 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

HOW COULD SHE NOT GET IT?!?!?

LOL! Maybe she got it, but didn't think it was funny. *ducks*

338 RogueOne  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:11:48am

Geronimo!

Osama bin Laden dead: code name Geronimo
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]


Shortly afterwards, a Navy Seal halfway across the world sent the message "Geronimo EKIA" – meaning enemy killed in action – which was relayed to a jubilant White House Situation Room.

According to NBC the exact quote from the site:
"For God and Country, Geronimo, Geronimo, Geronimo!"

339 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:13:52am

Wingnut childhood friend on facebook:

Was the leader of Al Qaeda named Osama or Usama? Is the distinguished man who ordered his death named Obama or Ubama?
7 hours ago ·
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One of six idiot responses: Just chock it up to things that get lost in translation... Sorta like birth certificates... Ya know... Lost in translation...
7 hours ago ·

Wingnutlady 2 Its ASSAOsama...and ASSA Obama..
7 hours ago · LikeUnlike
o Darthstar : The last few days have been tough for you, I know...don't worry...in a week people will believe bush killed him in 2005 and everyone can go back to calling the President a seekrit mooslim.

He'll be pissed because I once again mocked him in front of his otherwise hypocritical jesus-freak friends (these same people love praising the lord on facebook like it's going out of style - which I think it has). I'll just say, "Look, either embrace your racism or don't...I'm sure Jesus understands why you're such an asshole."

340 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:15:42am

re: #333 RogueOne

There is one conspiracy where I want to see some answers. How is it possible that Bin Laden could have been located where he was and not one person in the pakistani government not know?

The Pakistanis knew.

A lot of them.

341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:15:59am

re: #338 RogueOne

You know what would have been funny? If they said "Geronimo" as the dumped his sorry ass off the ship.

342 RogueOne  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:16:51am

re: #340 researchok

The Pakistanis knew.

A lot of them.

I don't think there's any way possible they didn't.

343 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:17:07am

re: #340 researchok

The Pakistanis knew.

A lot of them.

What asshats. They could have won the $25 million lottery.

Maybe one of them did.

344 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:17:33am

re: #323 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I always say something pseudo-Nordic (like naming Ikea furniture) and tell my wife the bug gave a good fight but has gone on to Valhalla after a respectful burial at sea.

345 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:18:11am

re: #343 Alouette

What asshats. They could have won the $25 million lottery.

Maybe one of them did.

My bet there was that 25 million and a green cards involved.

346 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:18:53am

re: #342 RogueOne

I don't think there's any way possible they didn't.

He was such a quiet neighbor...kept to himself. Only saw him on Wednesday mornings when he took out the trash. Who knew he was the world's most wanted terrorist? It goes to show you just never know...

347 RogueOne  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:19:01am

re: #341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You know what would have been funny? If they said "Geronimo" as the dumped his sorry ass off the ship.

I don't care that they dumped his body (that's better than burying him somwhere), my only concern was it was done so soon and with great care as to how that asshole would have wanted his corpse to be handled.

My brother made me feel better yesterday by reminding me those navy ships are constantly followed by a lot of sharks who are used to eating the garbage dumped off the ship.

348 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:20:13am

re: #345 researchok

Thought they'd pegged his courier from intelligence and followed his ass around.

Why this joke is getting so much play.

349 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:20:21am

re: #341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You know what would have been funny? If they said "Geronimo" as the dumped his sorry ass off the ship.

I suspect every seaman on that ship, after the ceremony officially ended, said something to that effect...

350 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:20:31am

re: #342 RogueOne

I don't think there's any way possible they didn't.

Information is power, or perceived power.

The more information is shared, the less power one has (perceptually).

They kept it to themselves.

351 RogueOne  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:20:46am

re: #346 darthstar

He was such a quiet neighbor...kept to himself. Only saw him on Wednesday mornings when he took out the trash. Who knew he was the world's most wanted terrorist? It goes to show you just never know...

Sounds like how the neighbors described Jeffrey Dahmer. Other than the occasional naked beaten runaway that came screaming out of his apartment, he was such a quiet neighbor.

352 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:21:10am

re: #345 researchok

My bet there was that 25 million and a green cards involved.

And witness protection.

353 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:21:34am

re: #349 darthstar

I suspect every seaman on that ship, after the ceremony officially ended, said something to that effect...

As they pissed into the water?

354 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:22:02am

re: #346 darthstar

He was such a quiet neighbor...kept to himself. Only saw him on Wednesday mornings when he took out the trash. Who knew he was the world's most wanted terrorist? It goes to show you just never know...

They never took out the trash, they burned it.

If they did that in my neighborhood, they would get a citation from the city inspector.

355 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:22:37am

re: #352 Alouette

And witness protection.

That too.

And a nice estate in Sonoma.

356 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:23:44am

re: #355 researchok

That too.

And a nice estate in Sonoma.

Sonoma? Let them move to Kansas. Just because someone turns in bin Laden doesn't mean they get a winery.

357 RogueOne  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:24:39am

re: #356 darthstar

Sonoma? Let them move to Kansas. Just because someone turns in bin Laden doesn't mean they get a winery.

Not Kansas, why punish them? They're used to living in BFE so my guess is they're going to want a change, Vegas baby!

358 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:25:27am

re: #356 darthstar

Sonoma? Let them move to Kansas. Just because someone turns in bin Laden doesn't mean they get a winery.

I'd give them GM

359 laZardo  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:26:21am

re: #347 RogueOne

I don't care that they dumped his body (that's better than burying him somwhere), my only concern was it was done so soon and with great care as to how that asshole would have wanted his corpse to be handled.

My brother made me feel better yesterday by reminding me those navy ships are constantly followed by a lot of sharks who are used to eating the garbage dumped off the ship.

For the record, burial at sea is allowed in accordance with Islamic custom, most often if the body is already decaying while on a ship but particularly if the body is at risk of being dug up by an "enemy."

It is technically not "in accordance with custom" if it is done in a way that it deliberately invites sea predators.

But hey, we don't know if the corpse sank straight to Davy Jones' Locker.

360 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:26:25am

re: #357 RogueOne

Not Kansas, why punish them? They're used to living in BFE so my guess is they're going to want a change, Vegas baby!

Guam

361 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:26:54am

re: #347 RogueOne

I am trying to think of "The Far Side" caption for the sharks.

362 laZardo  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:27:52am

re: #361 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am trying to think of "The Far Side" caption for the sharks.

"There's a message from the sea lions: don't fuck with us."

363 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:28:40am

re: #358 researchok

I'd give them GM

The idea is to REWARD them.

364 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:28:51am

re: #347 RogueOne

I don't care that they dumped his body (that's better than burying him somwhere), my only concern was it was done so soon and with great care as to how that asshole would have wanted his corpse to be handled.

My brother made me feel better yesterday by reminding me those navy ships are constantly followed by a lot of sharks who are used to eating the garbage dumped off the ship.

I am greatly annoyed by the asshats who are complaining that OBL's remains were not brought to Ground Zero to be pissed and shat upon.

365 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:29:16am

re: #358 researchok

I'd give them GM

Didn't GM turn a profit?

366 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:29:58am

re: #363 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The idea is to REWARD them.

They could have reported him years ago.

GM

367 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:30:21am

re: #365 darthstar

Didn't GM turn a profit?

With our money.

368 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:30:38am

re: #364 Alouette

I am greatly annoyed by the asshats who are complaining that OBL's remains were not brought to Ground Zero to be pissed and shat upon.

Sounds like one of Geller's dates.

369 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:31:32am

re: #367 researchok

With our money.

And they paid it back...with interest. We bail them out 39,000 more times and we could erase the deficit.

370 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:32:47am

re: #369 darthstar

And they paid it back...with interest. We bail them out 39,000 more times and we could erase the deficit.

Might I suggest that worthy idea not be a part of the Dem election campaign?

371 laZardo  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:32:50am

re: #369 darthstar

And they paid it back...with interest. We bail them out 39,000 more times and we could erase the deficit.

They killed off Pontiac just as they were about to get good again with the G8. I'd rather they went Chapter 7. ;_;

372 RogueOne  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:34:12am

re: #369 darthstar

And they paid it back...with interest. We bail them out 39,000 more times and we could erase the deficit.


We've already lost $10 Billion on their stock and we're on the hook for another $70-80 billion unless their stock price stops dropping and doubles in value.

373 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:35:58am

Later all.

Time to slay the beasts.

374 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:37:22am

re: #369 darthstar

That's just on paper though, isn't it? I thought I read something recently about more trouble.

Of course the Japanese problems, could help GM. (Gosh, I feel evil for even typing such a thing).

375 RogueOne  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:37:23am

re: #364 Alouette

I am greatly annoyed by the asshats who are complaining that OBL's remains were not brought to Ground Zero to be pissed and shat upon.

I understand blood lust but we couldn't drag his body through the streets and we couldn't bury it on land somewhere. OTOH, we shouldn't feel it necessary to go out of our way to perform a religious ceremony for a terrorist.

If you want your remains to be handled with care then die peacefully in your own bed and not when a seal team kicks down your door because you're the head of a world wide terrorist organization.

376 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:37:41am

re: #371 laZardo

They killed off Pontiac just as they were about to get good again with the G8. I'd rather they went Chapter 7. ;_;

At least they got rid of that fucking PT Cruiser (aka Dodge Neon with retro shell). The people who own those drive worse than Camry owners. I always tell people, "Watch out for that guy in the next lane." When they ask why, I say, "He bought a PT Cruiser, so we know he doesn't have good judgment."

377 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:39:14am

re: #376 darthstar

At least they got rid of that fucking PT Cruiser (aka Dodge Neon with retro shell). The people who own those drive worse than Camry owners. I always tell people, "Watch out for that guy in the next lane." When they ask why, I say, "He bought a PT Cruiser, so we know he doesn't have good judgment."

PT Cruiser was a Chrysler product, not GM.

378 RogueOne  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:41:05am

re: #376 darthstar

I have a friend who took a PT Cruiser, took out the side windows, back doors, painted it flat black and turned it into a retro-woody style vehicle. Looks cool.

379 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:41:26am

re: #377 Alouette

PT Cruiser was a Chrysler product, not GM.

Still a shit car. Got one as a rental once. 9,000 miles on it and it had more rattles than a hospital nursery.

380 laZardo  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:42:42am

re: #379 darthstar

Still a shit car. Got one as a rental once. 9,000 miles on it and it had more rattles than a hospital nursery.

Least you didn't rent a Sebring.

381 MagnaniomousCoward  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:43:03am

OT:


As reported by Danielle Berrin, in her blog for the Jewish Journal, Tom Cruise is about to be given a humanitarian award at the Simon Wiesenthal Center's annual dinner. It is to be held at the Beverly Wilshire Four Seasons Hotel in Los Angeles on Thursday.

Cruise's own personal deeds, as well as his intimate relationship with Scientology's leadership, have led to reactions to this decision. Human rights activists and ex-Scientologists have said they will protest the event, and some supporters of the SWC has in their disgust re-directed their support to other organizations.

I will sum up the cases for and against giving this award to Tom Cruise. Each point will first be listed in short, and then be elaborated on. My position is not neutral, but even so I will try to refrain from creating obvious straw man arguments here. If you have better arguments on either side, feel free to post them as comments below.

FOR:
- F1 He gave them money, and we don't care what he believes or supports beyond that.
- F2 Who cares about this award anyway, can't we let him and his friends have a little award show in peace and quiet?
- F3 Perhaps by giving Tom Cruise this award, he might do the right thing in the future.
- F4 Holocaust studies is more important than any abuses committed by Scientology.
- F5 Tom Cruise deserves the award because Scientology owns a lot of nice real estate. (This should have been a straw man, but it's actually a real and repeated argument.)

AGAINST:
- A1 Tom Cruise personally promotes Holocaust revisionism.
- A2 Tom Cruise personally promotes "PTS/SP" and the "Tone Scale" - instruments for justifying despotism and even genocide.
- A3 Tom Cruise personally had his motorcycles, truck and airplane hangar worked on by trafficked and captive labor. Tom Cruise has also lived as a pampered guest at a labor camp in Riverside, CA.
- A4 Tom Cruise is a close personal friend of Scientology's leader David Miscavige, who was even the best man at his wedding. Tom Cruise is far from powerless to stop the abuses and fraud that Scientology commits. He's not any old member. He could speak out. Of particular concern to the SWC should be:
-- A4A Church of Scientology's long-standing Holocaust revisionism and trivialization.
-- A4B It being a totalitarian organization with dystopian designs on the world.
-- A4C It forms alliances with extremist groups like Louis Farrakhan's racist Nation of Islam
-- A4D Its intolerance of independent Scientologists


Read more: The absurd Wiesenthal award for Tom Cruise

382 Wozza Matter?  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:43:20am

from the wiki -

The PT Cruiser is a front-wheel drive 5-passenger vehicle, classified as a truck in the U. S. by the NHTSA for CAFE fuel economy calculations but as a car by most other metrics. Chrysler specifically designed the PT Cruiser to fit the NHTSA criteria for a light truck in order to bring the average fuel efficiency of the company's light truck fleet into compliance with CAFE standards.[6] A turbocharged GT model was introduced for the 2003 model year. A convertible was introduced for the 2005 model year.


I'm sorry, but that's just fucked up right there. A car is a truck is a light truck is a car.

383 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:45:39am

re: #380 laZardo

Least you didn't rent a Sebring.

Made that mistake once too. I think that's why I have two German cars and one Japanese. I will buy an American pickup though. Looking for a mid-70s Ford 1/2 or 3/4 ton for taking the dogs out and just expanding my carbon footprint a little when going to the hardware store.

384 Wozza Matter?  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:56:01am

Have to go get some paper work done.

Catcha.

385 RogueOne  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:59:06am

Today is primary day in IN and Canada had an election last night. Who knew?

Harper finally wins majority as NDP surges into Opposition
[Link: www.theglobeandmail.com...]


Welcome to Canada’s two-party system
[Link: www.theglobeandmail.com...]

386 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:01:57am

Good morning lizards.

I saw John Brennan on TV this morning saying OBL has been living in that compound for 6 years. I'm steamed. Pakistan has to fess up right now. WTF is wrong with them?

387 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:02:15am

Palin thanks the president for killing Bin Laden.....
Palin Thanks Bush for Bin Laden's Death

388 RogueOne  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:02:26am

Jimmy Fallon:

Re: Osama burial at sea
"What a tough year for the ocean. First BP dumps a ton of oil in there and then radiation from the Japanese and now this."

389 RogueOne  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:04:28am

My DVR didn't record Conan last night. Crap! Thank god for the internets:

[Link: teamcoco.com...]

390 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:08:10am

re: #387 Killgore Trout

Palin thanks the president for killing Bin Laden...
Palin Thanks Bush for Bin Laden's Death


Oh, fuck you, Sarah.

391 Petero1818  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:08:48am

The good news is that the Conservative majority means we will not have to endure another federal election in Canada for 4 years. The bad news (IMHO) is that the left has found a voice. The NDP is is far gone, they make the Democratic Party look like fascists. I believe this polarization of Canadian politics will be short lived. Canadians always find their way back to centre.

392 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:10:29am

re: #391 Petero1818

Canadians always find their way back to centre.


That's only because it's a natural instinct when someone shouts "Blue line!"

393 Petero1818  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:11:28am

re: #387 Killgore Trout

Palin thanks the president for killing Bin Laden...
Palin Thanks Bush for Bin Laden's Death

I despise her as much as anyone, but the quote has her thank the President and President Bush. I don't have a problem with that. The intelligence that led to this operation was discovered under Bush's watch. He gets some thanks too. I am surprised though that she didn't also credit Reagan on this. It had to be hard for her to leave him out.

394 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:11:37am

Morning Honcos.

395 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:13:01am

re: #386 NJDhockeyfan

Pakistan has to fess up right now. WTF is wrong with them?

Radical Islam, an overly-politically-powerful military, and a lack of enlightenment values.

396 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:14:35am

re: #393 Petero1818

The comments are partisan. Fact is this was 7 plus years in the making. But it is easy to smack down people when they just spout stoopid shit.

397 RogueOne  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:14:35am

Will Ferrell might be the funniest person on the planet. Just tossing that out there.

398 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:15:36am

re: #395 Obdicut

Radical Islam, an overly-politically-powerful military, and a lack of enlightenment values.

Maybe lack of money should be in order right now.

Fuckers.

399 RogueOne  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:16:08am

re: #395 Obdicut

Radical Islam, an overly-politically-powerful military, and a lack of enlightenment values.

with Nukes! I'd hate to live in India with that knowledge in the back of my head every day.

400 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:16:32am

re: #387 Killgore Trout

Palin thanks the president for killing Bin Laden...
Palin Thanks Bush for Bin Laden's Death

"Yesterday was a testament to the military's dedication in relentlessly hunting down an enemy through many years of war, and we thank our President and we thank President Bush for having made the right calls to set up this victory,"

I see no problem with that quote.

401 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:16:53am

re: #387 Killgore Trout

Palin thanks the president for killing Bin Laden...
Palin Thanks Bush for Bin Laden's Death

Real Housewife of Wasilla - she makes the New Jersey and Atlanta reality TV housewives look classy by comparison.

402 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:17:13am

re: #399 RogueOne

with Nukes! I'd hate to live in India with that knowledge in the back of my head every day.

IIRC, India it 7-0 vs. Pakistan. If Pakistan launched that would end their country.

403 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:17:52am

re: #393 Petero1818

I despise her as much as anyone, but the quote has her thank the President and President Bush. I don't have a problem with that. The intelligence that led to this operation was discovered under Bush's watch. He gets some thanks too. I am surprised though that she didn't also credit Reagan on this. It had to be hard for her to leave him out.

Ah, nice catch. I was mislead by the Fox Headline and didn't catch that in the audio.

404 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:18:00am

re: #402 Cannadian Club Akbar

IIRC, India it 7-0 vs. Pakistan. If Pakistan launched that would end their country.

And the end of India.
And devastating climatic changes for the rest of us.

405 RogueOne  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:18:17am

re: #402 Cannadian Club Akbar

IIRC, India it 7-0 vs. Pakistan. If Pakistan launched that would end their country.

Not to be rude but pakistan is a mountainous shithole. How would you know if a nuke went off?

406 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:19:00am

re: #405 RogueOne

Not to be rude but pakistan is a mountainous shithole. How would you know if a nuke went off?

Glowing goats?
/just wrong....

407 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:19:16am

re: #403 Killgore Trout

Ah, nice catch. I was mislead by the Fox Headline and didn't catch that in the audio.

Probably because Fox didn't catch her mentioning Obama as she left his name out...otherwise, they would have ignored the "story" altogether.

408 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:20:02am

re: #404 Varek Raith

And the end of India.
And devastating climatic changes for the rest of us.

I think Pakistan would have to launch more than one but then I am no nuke scientist. (Like I need to tell anyone here that)

409 Petero1818  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:20:14am

re: #407 darthstar

Yes, I think leaving his name out was deliberate. They can't have a soundbite out there with her praising Obama. Bad for wingnuttery business.

410 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:20:29am

re: #405 RogueOne

Not to be rude but pakistan is a mountainous shithole. How would you know if a nuke went off?

They've got some great unskied slopes there. Would give the Alps competition for winter tourism dollars if they Westernized themselves a bit.

411 iceweasel  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:20:39am

re: #375 RogueOne

I understand blood lust but we couldn't drag his body through the streets and we couldn't bury it on land somewhere. OTOH, we shouldn't feel it necessary to go out of our way to perform a religious ceremony for a terrorist.

If you want your remains to be handled with care then die peacefully in your own bed and not when a seal team kicks down your door because you're the head of a world wide terrorist organization.

Respectful treatment of the remains goes to show yet another way in which we are better, and stronger, than our enemies.

412 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:21:10am

re: #405 RogueOne

I gave everyone at church a glimpse into my dark side a few weeks ago. A town near us had a tornado that did some damage. This town's been economically depressed for years and there is major wear on its infrastructure.

Someone said, "The tornado's wake" and I said, "How could they tell what it damaged?"

I didn't exactly get glares... but, no one smiled either.

413 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:22:12am

re: #405 RogueOne

Not to be rude but pakistan is a mountainous shithole. How would you know if a nuke went off?

Most of the time there is not a gigantic mushroom cloud over a mountainous shithole.

414 RogueOne  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:22:13am

re: #410 darthstar

They've got some great unskied slopes there. Would give the Alps competition for winter tourism dollars if they Westernized themselves a bit.

They could put on a serious biathlon. Ski the beautiful terrain while dodging bullets and occasionally taking a shot yourself. The ads write themselves.

415 laZardo  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:22:18am

re: #404 Varek Raith

And the end of India.
And devastating climatic changes for the rest of us.

And deathclaws.

416 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:22:38am

re: #412 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You should have finished the comment by spinning your head around 360 degrees.
/

417 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:23:02am

Bin Laden at Pakistan compound last 5-6 years

The most wanted man in the world, who had been portrayed as hiding out in a remote cave, was actually residing in a comfortable (albeit heavily fortified) suburban home - and, said one official, he had been there for the last five or six years.

White House counterterrorism adviser John Brennan said that, according to their information, Osama bin Laden had been hiding out not in the remote Afghan-Pakistan border region but in Abbottabad, a rural-suburb of the capital, Islamabad. Bin Laden was literally under the noses of the Pakistani military, with many active-duty or retired service members living in the area.

...Brennan told CBS' "The Early Show" the latest information was that bin Laden had been inside the compound for the last five or six years.

"He had virtually no interaction with others outside of that compound. But yet he seemed to be very active inside the compound," he said. "We know he had released videos and audios. We know he was in contact with some senior al Qaeda officials. So what we're trying to do now is understand what he has been involved in over the last several years, exploit whatever information we were able to get in the compound, and take that information and continue our efforts to destroy al Qaeda."

Those hard drives will have some great info on who had knowledge he was there. I can't wait to find out who knew.

418 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:26:08am

How One Nuclear Skirmish Could Wreck the Planet

WASHINGTON — Even a small nuclear exchange could ignite mega-firestorms and wreck the planet’s atmosphere.

New climatological simulations show 100 Hiroshima-sized nuclear bombs — relatively small warheads, compared to the arsenals military superpowers stow today — detonated by neighboring countries would destroy more than a quarter of the Earth’s ozone layer in about two years.

Regions closer to the poles would see even more precipitous drops in the protective gas, which absorbs harmful ultraviolet radiation from the sun. New York and Sydney, for example, would see declines rivaling the perpetual hole in the ozone layer above Antarctica. And it may take more than six years for the ozone layer to reach half of its former levels.

419 RogueOne  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:27:22am

re: #411 iceweasel

Respectful treatment of the remains goes to show yet another way in which we are better, and stronger, than our enemies.

We could have respectfully dumped his body overboard without giving it a ritual washing and religious ceremony. He used his religion as a weapon. If we really believe that this war had nothing to do with Islam then we shouldn't have played along and given him a religious burial.

420 Gus  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:28:08am

Grunt. Ice, can you check your email please.

421 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:29:45am

re: #389 RogueOne

My DVR didn't record Conan last night. Crap! Thank god for the internets:

[Link: teamcoco.com...]

70s Playboys...."you're not going to find anything shaved in there..." HA!

422 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:29:52am

re: #419 RogueOne

We could have respectfully dumped his body overboard without giving it a ritual washing and religious ceremony. He used his religion as a weapon. If we really believe that this war had nothing to do with Islam then we shouldn't have played along and given him a religious burial.

Was his body pointed toward Mecca as it was fed to the sharks?

423 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:31:32am

re: #422 NJDhockeyfan

Was his body pointed toward Mecca as it was fed to the sharks?

Yes, then no, then yes, then no. There were 5 foot seas.
/

424 iceweasel  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:31:38am

re: #419 RogueOne

We could have respectfully dumped his body overboard without giving it a ritual washing and religious ceremony. He used his religion as a weapon. If we really believe that this war had nothing to do with Islam then we shouldn't have played along and given him a religious burial.

But that's precisely the reason why it was so important to give it a proper burial. He'd been using religion to incite hatred and violence and terror. By burying his body in accordance with Islamic rituals, we completely undercut his own rhetoric that we're fighting a religious war.
We're fighting a war on terror and extremism. Not Islam or Muslims.

I can't be upset over this. I think it was absolutely the right thing to do, and the right way to do it. No shrine or martyrfication for this guy. He died like a rat in a trap, clutching onto a woman -- one of his own wives -- as a human shield.
That's the message that's out there for everyone to see.

425 RogueOne  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:32:11am

re: #422 NJDhockeyfan

Was his body pointed toward Mecca as it was fed to the sharks?

If he were a catholic terrorist and we gave him last rites before dumping his body I'd still say it was a mistake. I'm not angry about how they treated his body, I just think it was treated with more respect than it was due. Like I said before if you want your remains to be treated in a specific manner don't go out of this world as the head of a terrorist organization.

426 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:33:26am

re: #425 RogueOne

It's not about him.

427 RogueOne  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:35:59am

re: #426 Obdicut

It's not about him.

I'm going to disagree. If it wasn't about him we wouldn't have put mens lives in danger to kill him and recover his body.

429 RogueOne  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:36:10am

I'm really late. I'll BBIAB.

430 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:38:12am

re: #428 Varek Raith

WSJ's Taranto: Obama Assembled A "Death Panel" To Kill Bin Laden
Image: 14xl63c.jpg

President Obama made the right call. DNA, computers, etc. If 6 or 8 SeALS would have died he would be called Jimmy Carter right now.

431 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:39:27am

re: #430 Cannadian Club Akbar

President Obama made the right call. DNA, computers, etc. If 6 or 8 SeALS would have died he would be called Jimmy Carter right now.

He's doing a health care 'death panel joke'
DERP!

432 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:39:40am

re: #425 RogueOne

If we were trying to make peace with Catholics, we would take the precautions.

Therefore, as I see it? Okie dokie.

433 Gus  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:40:18am

re: #424 iceweasel

But that's precisely the reason why it was so important to give it a proper burial. He'd been using religion to incite hatred and violence and terror. By burying his body in accordance with Islamic rituals, we completely undercut his own rhetoric that we're fighting a religious war.
We're fighting a war on terror and extremism. Not Islam or Muslims.

I can't be upset over this. I think it was absolutely the right thing to do, and the right way to do it. No shrine or martyrfication for this guy. He died like a rat in a trap, clutching onto a woman -- one of his own wives -- as a human shield.
That's the message that's out there for everyone to see.

Doesn't bother me any. Kind of sounds like something a military chaplain would recommend. Now I'm no church goer but if I remember correctly from my old yet young days as a Catholic this sounds like something they'd be behind. Anywho. If they want to fabricate some outrageous outrage about Obama being behind this -- I'm not referring to anyone here -- I could always pull a tu quoque and bring up a certain cemetery that Reagan visited in 1985.

434 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:40:27am

Asif Ali Zardari writes an op-ed in WaPo and denies his government knew where bin Laden was. Anyone believe him? I think he's full of shit.

435 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:40:49am

re: #431 Varek Raith

He's doing a health care 'death panel joke'
DERP!

I know.

436 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:41:10am

re: #434 NJDhockeyfan

Asif Ali Zardari writes an op-ed in WaPo and denies his government knew where bin Laden was. Anyone believe him? I think he's full of shit.

I'd bet the universe that they knew he was there.

437 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:41:18am

re: #434 NJDhockeyfan

Asif Ali Zardari writes an op-ed in WaPo and denies his government knew where bin Laden was. Anyone believe him? I think he's full of shit.

If they totally didn't know then they are the most clueless dumbfucks who ever lived.

438 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:42:21am

re: #437 Alouette

If they totally didn't know then they are the most clueless dumbfucks who ever lived.

Maybe they had Hans Blix looking for clues!!
/old skool!!!

439 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:42:24am

re: #430 Cannadian Club Akbar

President Obama made the right call. DNA, computers, etc. If 6 or 8 SeALS would have died the helicopters crashed before they reached their destination and we were watching their bodies hanging upside down in the village square on TV today he would be called Jimmy Carter right now.

FIFY

440 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:42:30am

re: #405 RogueOne

Not to be rude but pakistan is a mountainous shithole. How would you know if a nuke went off?

Because a nuke doesn't look like anything else on a seismograph? Because of specific isotopes in the fallout? The same ways we knew when the Russians conducted a test? Or even when we knew that the the Norks popped their squib instead of a full detonation?

441 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:42:30am

Not only did they know he was there, we knew the Pakistanis were unreliable as to being our allies.

They question is what do we do now that it can't be ignored or denied?

443 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:43:59am

re: #442 Varek Raith

During Budget Crisis, Texas House Committee Passes Tax Break For Yacht Owners
More DERP!

Perhaps they're thinking the yacht owners can move on to their yachts if they lose their houses?

444 iceweasel  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:44:17am

re: #433 Gus 802

Doesn't bother me any. Kind of sounds like something a military chaplain would recommend. Now I'm no church goer but if I remember correctly from my old yet young days as a Catholic this sounds like something they'd be behind. Anywho. If they want to fabricate some outrageous outrage about Obama being behind this -- I'm not referring to anyone here -- I could always pull a tu quoque and bring up a certain cemetery that Reagan visited in 1985.

I think human remains ought to be treated with some kind of dignity. In this case, it was very important to treat his in accordance with Islamic custom-- after blowing his head off. It isn't about him, but about those who would have used desecration of the remains or improper burial as a recruiting tool for jihad.

445 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:44:24am

re: #440 wlewisiii

Because a nuke doesn't look like anything else on a seismograph? Because of specific isotopes in the fallout? The same ways we knew when the Russians conducted a test? Or even when we knew that the the Norks popped their squib instead of a full detonation?

The second a nuke goes off, every industrialized country on the planet knows it.

446 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:45:06am

re: #430 Cannadian Club Akbar

President Obama made the right call. DNA, computers, etc. If 6 or 8 SeALS would have died the helicopters crashed before they reached their destination and we were watching their bodies hanging upside down in the village square on TV today he would be called Jimmy Carter right now.

FIFY...again.

(PIMF!)

447 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:45:18am

re: #442 Varek Raith

During Budget Crisis, Texas House Committee Passes Tax Break For Yacht Owners
More DERP!

According to AP, Davis authored the bill out of fear that yacht owners would start buying their boats in Florida, which has a similar law.

Heh.

448 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:46:34am

Who? Me?

449 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:48:27am

re: #442 Varek Raith

Let the business go elsewhere?

450 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:48:55am

re: #437 Alouette

If they totally didn't know then they are the most clueless dumbfucks who ever lived.

The WH should tell him they have a week to turn over Ayman al-Zawahiri or the US dollars will stop flowing into Pakistan immediately.

451 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:48:58am

re: #446 NJDhockeyfan

FIFY...again.

(PIMF!)


I think CCA's point was made well enough without the fantasy "Americans being tortured on TV" embellishment...why do you think that is better?

452 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:51:22am

re: #427 RogueOne

I'm going to disagree. If it wasn't about him we wouldn't have put mens lives in danger to kill him and recover his body.

Huh? How does that make any sense. We killed him. He's dead. Nothing done to his body affects him in the least.

It's not about him.

453 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:51:25am

re: #449 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Let the business go elsewhere?

The GOP in Texas brought this upon themselves.

Texas faces one of the worst budget outlooks in the country, and amazingly, only about a third of it was caused by the economic downturn. The state has had a chronic shortage of revenue after years of slashing property and business taxes and creating numerous tax breaks and exemptions, just like the proposed one for yacht owners. Yet Republicans still insist on not raising taxes, and as a result have had to rely on draconian cuts to balance the budget.
454 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:51:51am

re: #451 darthstar

I think CCA's point was made well enough without the fantasy "Americans being tortured on TV" embellishment...why do you think that is better?

That's what happened in Iran during Jimmy Carter's presidency. It was horrifying to watch on TV. It's not a fantasy, it's history.

455 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:53:13am

re: #437 Alouette

If they totally didn't know then they are the most clueless dumbfucks who ever lived.

If they didn't know where he was, they weren't looking.

456 Gus  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:53:23am

re: #444 iceweasel

I think human remains ought to be treated with some kind of dignity. In this case, it was very important to treat his in accordance with Islamic custom-- after blowing his head off. It isn't about him, but about those who would have used desecration of the remains or improper burial as a recruiting tool for jihad.

True. I don't think anyone called for Oswald's body to be desecrated. This public desecration seems rather savage and pointless. They buried him at sea. He's still dead.

457 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:53:34am

Beck celebrates Bil Laden's death.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Jon Stewart celebrates Bin Laden's death.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Odd, the headlines are different.

458 Petero1818  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:55:45am

re: #430 Cannadian Club Akbar

President Obama made the right call. DNA, computers, etc. If 6 or 8 SeALS would have died he would be called Jimmy Carter right now.

Which is precisely why it was a gutsy call, and a Presidential one. It takes cojones to take a calculated risk like that. Knowing he was already being compared to Carter by some, he might have shrunk away from that sort of action. But he knew that the possible gain on intel was worth the political risk to himself, and of course the real risk to a Seal team. So they trained as much as they could to deal with any eventuality. It paid off in spades. The fact that a chopper failed and they still got everyone out and destroyed the other chopper speaks to a well prepared and thought out mission.

459 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:56:42am

This guy is a day late.....
[Link: www.myfoxdc.com...]

460 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:57:07am

re: #458 Petero1818

The gain in intel is probably more important than killing Bin Laden.

461 Gus  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:57:21am

And for those that still think it's a good idea I recommend that they read With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa. E.B. Sledge refused to take part in the desecration of dead Japanese soldiers as many other did not. It's interesting to note that this kind of behavior was not as common in the ETO.

462 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:58:12am

Allergy ATTACK!
BBL

463 Petero1818  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:58:20am

re: #460 Obdicut

The gain in intel is probably more important than killing Bin Laden.

+1

464 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:59:57am

re: #460 Obdicut

The gain in intel is probably more important than killing Bin Laden.

QFT

465 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, May 3, 2011 6:59:58am

re: #460 Obdicut

The gain in intel is probably more important than killing Bin Laden.

It would have been ideal to capture Bin Laden alive, bring him to NY for a trial, just like Eichmann was brought to Israel. But I don't think that capturing OBL alive was an option, the orders must have been TWEP.

466 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:00:35am

OBL's last words:

"You wouldn't dare shoot me! Don't you know how much I am worth to you alive?"
//

467 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:02:14am

re: #457 Cannadian Club Akbar

"Hairy Plotter and the Deathly Hello".

Oh, gawd! That's funny.

468 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:02:18am

re: #466 Alouette

OBL's last words:

"You wouldn't dare shoot me! Don't you know how much I am worth to you alive?"
//

OR "Why is there a red laser dot on my forehead?"

469 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:03:22am

Panetta was directly in charge of this mission.

That's a pretty good way to transition to Secretary of Defense.

470 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:03:25am

re: #468 Cannadian Club Akbar

OR "Why is there a red laser dot on my forehead?"

How would he see what's on his own forehead?

471 Big Steve  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:03:26am

In my opinion, all this "treasure trove" of information is a head fake. I think it is being put out there to smoke someone out and get them to move so they can be tracked.

472 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:04:09am

re: #471 Big Steve

Why would you think that?

473 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:04:33am

re: #465 Alouette

It would have been ideal to capture Bin Laden alive, bring him to NY for a trial, just like Eichmann was brought to Israel. But I don't think that capturing OBL alive was an option, the orders must have been TWEP.


If we had captured him we would have had to put up with years of lawyers, trials, and jail time along with safety issues of terror threats and the victims & their families having to wait longer for closer.

No, I'm happy he's become part of the ecosystem on the ocean.

474 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:05:24am

re: #470 Alouette

How would he see what's on his own forehead?

Why are you harshing my buzz?
/

475 Petero1818  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:05:41am

re: #465 Alouette

It would have been ideal to capture Bin Laden alive, bring him to NY for a trial, just like Eichmann was brought to Israel. But I don't think that capturing OBL alive was an option, the orders must have been TWEP.

I don't think it would have been better. OBL would have given up nothing, and his trial would have been a total circus and a security nightmare. Why bother. Kill him. Go through his hard drive.
Probably the best thing would have been to keep this quiet for a while and see if we could get a few others to emerge from whatever mansions they are hiding in. My fear is that Zawahiri and his pals have gone deep under cover at this point (likely in the Pakistani's central command and control bunker)

476 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:06:45am

Abottabad, when you think about it, does sound like the name of a town from a Rocky and Bullwinkle story.

477 Gus  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:07:31am

re: #476 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Abottabad, when you think about it, does sound like the name of a town from a Rocky and Bullwinkle story.

Abottabad and Costellobad

//

478 Petero1818  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:07:35am

re: #471 Big Steve

In my opinion, all this "treasure trove" of information is a head fake. I think it is being put out there to smoke someone out and get them to move so they can be tracked.

That is a real possibility that I have considered as well. But at the end of the day, one has to assume that there is some intel there. There has to be a list of phone numbers, ledgers, something. I don't believe everything was in OBL's head.

479 lawhawk  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:08:13am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Pakistan's Zardari is in a real tough position right now. He's got to simultaneously defend his country from claims that he was harboring al Qaeda's top dog, claiming that he was providing assistance (unidentified and uncorroborated by US officials who have studiously stated that they shared no aspects of this mission with any other country, including Pakistan), and has to be worried that the Islamists will try to topple his government because of its existing ties with the US (a belief that the government is complicit with the US even if there was no actual).

480 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:08:36am

re: #475 Petero1818

My fear is that Zawahiri and his pals have gone deep under cover at this point (likely in the Pakistani's central command and control bunker)

Or he could just be about a mile from the ISI's West Point of Pakistan. They seem to have no idea who's living in the neighborhood.

481 MagnaniomousCoward  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:09:11am

By the way congratulations, Bush and Obama, and everyone! :-)

482 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:09:47am

There is a police helicopter circling the neighborhood I am in. Covering about 6 blocks. And flying low. Wonder who they are looking for.

483 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:10:00am

re: #478 Petero1818

That is a real possibility that I have considered as well. But at the end of the day, one has to assume that there is some intel there. There has to be a list of phone numbers, ledgers, something. I don't believe everything was in OBL's head.

Well we do know that last 2 things that went though his head were Navy Seal bullets.

484 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:10:07am

re: #476 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Abottabad, when you think about it, does sound like the name of a town from a Rocky and Bullwinkle story.

Named after British Major James Abbot.

485 Gus  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:10:14am

re: #482 Cannadian Club Akbar

There is a police helicopter circling the neighborhood I am in. Covering about 6 blocks. And flying low. Wonder who they are looking for.

You.

486 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:11:16am

re: #484 reine.de.tout

Named after British Major James Abbot.

Was he bad?

487 lawhawk  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:11:18am

re: #430 Cannadian Club Akbar

The President - no matter which side of the aisle they're on - makes the most difficult decisions anyone can imagine - and this kind of mission had the potential to go disastrously wrong. Success would be spectacular - failure would be just as spectacularly bad. It's the kind of high risk/reward that made the need for sending in the special forces critical.

Airstrikes would not have allowed a definitive identification of OBL and recovery of all that intel (computer records, etc.).

This was precisely the right way to handle it.

488 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:12:15am

re: #486 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Was he bad?

heheh.

489 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:12:47am

re: #485 Gus 802

You.

Nope. But they are after someone. They moved south.

490 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:14:41am

re: #489 Cannadian Club Akbar

Nope. But they are after someone. They moved south.

Now they're back. I feel like Ray Liotta in Goodfellas.

491 Petero1818  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:14:56am

re: #480 NJDhockeyfan

Or he could just be about a mile from the ISI's West Point of Pakistan. They seem to have no idea who's living in the neighborhood.

Yes, and I know when someone in my neighborhood buys up contiguous lots and assembles a parcel 5 times bigger than everyone else in the neighborhood, puts up 15 foot high walls and doesn't have any visible means of communication in or out of the property, nobody is curious. enough to ask "Who do you think might live there?" I don't know where you guys live, but in my neck of the woods, when a house sells and a new family moves in, people generally talk to each other about who is moving in.

492 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:15:12am

That Stewart clip was the first time that I'd seen the President's announcement.

Is it me, or was he desperately trying to fight back a gigantic grin?

493 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:15:37am

Pentagon releses satellite images of Osama's compound


...The images show a large compound with a three story dwelling at its centre.

The south facing balcony of the house was shielded by a 7 feet high privacy wall, while the windows facing north were opaque.

Perimeter walls surrounding the compound ranged from 10 feet to 18 feet in height.

It had no phone or Internet running into the house.

The residents of the compound burned all the rubbish inside its perimeters as part of safety measures.

A US official said that intelligence analysis had concluded that the compound was built in 2005 at a probable cost of one (m) million US dollars to hide 'someone of significance'.

The images showed the site in 2004 before the compound was built and the compound in 2005 with a building at its centre.

494 lawhawk  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:16:08am

re: #490 Cannadian Club Akbar

Just don't burn the marinara sauce... and remember to meet your contacts from Pittsburgh... oh, and make sure your mule remembers her damned hat!

495 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:16:09am

re: #492 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That Stewart clip was the first time that I'd seen the President's announcement.

Is it me, or was he desperately trying to fight back a gigantic grin?

He had pom poms under the podium.

496 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:17:09am

re: #494 lawhawk

Just don't burn the marinara sauce... and remember to meet your contacts from Pittsburgh... oh, and make sure your mule remembers her damned hat!

FWIW, I am jacked up on NERDS, not coke.:)
(undercover cop just drove by)

497 Petero1818  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:17:50am

re: #492 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That Stewart clip was the first time that I'd seen the President's announcement.

Is it me, or was he desperately trying to fight back a gigantic grin?

The last thing he wants is a "mission accomplished" moment for the election.

498 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:18:03am

re: #496 Cannadian Club Akbar

FWIW, I am jacked up on NERDS, not coke.:)
(undercover cop just drove by)

Actually, he parked in front of a neighbors house.

499 lawhawk  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:18:20am

re: #495 Cannadian Club Akbar

Image: 7a600ed6dba66390aa10d612fe6a5a56f4a16d2b.gif

500 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:18:46am

re: #493 NJDhockeyfan

A US official said that intelligence analysis had concluded that the compound was built in 2005 at a probable cost of one (m) million US dollars to hide 'someone of significance'.

In today's real estate market I have a hard time imagining that's worth a million.

501 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:19:41am

re: #500 Killgore Trout

In today's real estate market I have a hard time imagining that's worth a million.

Our tax dollars hard at work in Pakistan.
[spit]

502 Petero1818  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:20:33am

re: #500 Killgore Trout

In today's real estate market I have a hard time imagining that's worth a million.

Well to be clear, he didn't say it was worth one million, he said the cost of construction would have been a million. If it were in Arizona, it would be worth $45,000. No offence intended to anyone from Arizona.

503 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:21:33am

re: #493 NJDhockeyfan

How many building permits have been granted in Pakistan in the last 20 years? That in itself should've tipped somebody off.

504 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:22:34am

re: #503 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How many building permits have been granted in Pakistan in the last 20 years? That in itself should've tipped somebody off.

Made the adobe dealers happy.

505 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:22:52am

re: #503 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How many building permits have been granted in Pakistan in the last 20 years? That in itself should've tipped somebody off.

The dumbfuck was probably bribed, but it's doubtful that he was bribed $25 million. Which just proves he was a dumbfuck.

506 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:23:06am

White House is going to release the corpse pics today.

507 Petero1818  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:23:41am

Whats the over under on how many members of al qaeda the Pakistanis are going to suddenly round up in the next 30 days. I will start off.... with 14.

508 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:24:12am

re: #503 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How many building permits have been granted in Pakistan in the last 20 years? That in itself should've tipped somebody off.

So should the tremendous about of soda bought for the compound.

Bin Laden Aides Bought Big Orders of Pepsi and Coke, Grocer Says

The two polite Pakistanis who helped Osama bin Laden hide in the shadow of their country's army bought big food orders, chose major brands and equally favored Pepsi and Coke, neighbors and a local shopkeeper said.

Rashid and Akbar Khan owned the fortified residence where U.S. commandos killed bin Laden in an early morning raid yesterday, and did the daily shopping in the Pashtu-language accents of Waziristan, a region on the Afghan border, said grocer Anjum Qaisar, 27, who works 150 meters from the compound. Bin Laden's men "never came by foot, they always drove a Pajero or a little Suzuki van, and they bought enough food for 10 people," Qaisar said in an interview

509 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:24:20am

re: #506 Killgore Trout

White House is going to release the corpse pics today.

Won't matter. Wing nuts will say the pic was layered.

510 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:24:33am

THE WHITE HOUSE IS RELEASING THE PHOTO!

511 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:25:10am

The WH has released photos of bin Laden.......story developing......

512 lawhawk  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:25:20am

The streets around Ground Zero were once again packed with media outlets covering the ongoing reaction to the death of OBL. They were stacked up along Church Avenue in front of the post office, and commuters and gawkers were a mass of humanity crawling along Vesey Street, which is the major pedestrian access point along the north side of Ground Zero between PATH and Lower Manhattan.

The spontaneous reemergence of memorials and notes tagged to the fencing along the perimeter of Ground Zero is a mix of thank yous, flowers, flags, and other ephemera relating to OBL's death.

And the number of media outlets is sure to increase by several times with President Obama coming to Ground Zero on Thursday.

As with the scene yesterday, the crowds are mostly reserved and contemplative - occasionally someone will walk through in jubilation, but with the area the site where so many were murdered, it's hard to be jubilant over OBL's death when it cannot bring back all those who were killed. It's a mixed emotion. There's satisfaction in knowing that the US could manage to identify the courier, track his whereabouts since 2007, and then carry out the mission with precision to a just conclusion.

513 Big Steve  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:25:23am

re: #472 Obdicut

Why would you think that?


Because with the CIA everything is a fake within a fake within a fake. That's what they do. I am glad they are on our side.

514 navi  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:25:33am

or: someone else has taken over, and gave him up for dead, and has changed plans and left us with incorrect intelligence in all those hard drives... nah...

515 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:25:54am

re: #511 Girl with a Pearl Earring

The WH has released photos of bin Laden...story developing...

Correction: WH has released the death photo......

516 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:25:56am

re: #510 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

THE WHITE HOUSE IS RELEASING THE PHOTO!

Great. The world can see what a terrorist should look like after facing American heros.

517 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:26:32am

Woohoo!

518 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:26:38am

re: #514 navi

or: someone else has taken over, and gave him up for dead, and has changed plans and left us with incorrect intelligence in all those hard drives... nah...

Doubt it. This didn't happen overnight.

519 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:27:18am

re: #513 Big Steve

Because with the CIA everything is a fake within a fake within a fake. That's what they do. I am glad they are on our side.

Though I hear that this time they actually issued Chevy Chase his own tent...

520 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:27:34am

re: #507 Petero1818

Whats the over under on how many members of al qaeda the Pakistanis are going to suddenly round up in the next 30 days. I will start off... with 14.

I think we're going to see a flurry of drone strikes all over the world in the next month or two. Lots of arrests too. Numbers could go as high as 1-200.

521 Petero1818  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:28:49am

re: #520 Killgore Trout

I think we're going to see a flurry of drone strikes all over the world in the next month or two. Lots of arrests too. Numbers could go as high as 1-200.

But I am talking about the Pakistani's. I think there will be lots of activity to counter the chorus of defunding that will come out of the US in the next few weeks. THey will seek to show how great a partner they are.

522 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:29:01am

re: #520 Killgore Trout

There are some scurrying rats right now, that's for damn sure.

523 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:30:00am

re: #517 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Woohoo!

WHITE HOUSE RELEASES BIN LADEN DEATH PHOTO
Tue May 03 2011 10:22:50 ET

President Obama has decided to release at least one photo showing Osama Bin Laden's death.

The images, being described as 'graphic', are bound to stir emotions in the east and the west, and will likely become the most viewed photographs in modern history.

Developing...


Ya think? The interwebz is gonna crash...

524 Big Steve  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:30:03am

re: #502 Petero1818

Well to be clear, he didn't say it was worth one million, he said the cost of construction would have been a million. If it were in Arizona, it would be worth $45,000. No offence intended to anyone from Arizona.


I don't know what bin laden's hideaway costs but as a woodworker, and I mentioned this yesterday, that bed box he had was some ass crappy job. Sheesh.....butt joined with bolts through the cut end.....his carpenter should have been shot as well.

525 Petero1818  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:31:05am

re: #524 Big Steve

I don't know what bin laden's hideaway costs but as a woodworker, and I mentioned this yesterday, that bed box he had was some ass crappy job. Sheesh...butt joined with bolts through the cut end...his carpenter should have been shot as well.

You can be sure he was, shortly after he saw who the bed was for.

526 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:31:37am

re: #524 Big Steve

I don't know what bin laden's hideaway costs but as a woodworker, and I mentioned this yesterday, that bed box he had was some ass crappy job. Sheesh...butt joined with bolts through the cut end...his carpenter should have been shot as well.

Are you that Yankee Workshop guy that is on my PBS station on Saturdays?
///

527 Gus  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:32:04am

Drudge is just following the Reuters lead which the BBC News followed:

1522: The United States may release photos of Osama Bin Laden's burial at sea later today, but no final decision has been made, an unnamed US official told Reuters news agency. The US said the al-Qaeda leader's body was flown out of Pakistan, brought to an aircraft carrier and buried somewhere in the north Arabian Sea on Monday.

528 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:32:21am

re: #525 Petero1818

"Mohammad has your check. He's right over there. No. There! Right behind that bullet ridden wall."

529 lawhawk  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:32:24am

re: #520 Killgore Trout

I'm expecting a lull for the next week or two - but that the Predators and Reapers and Global Hawks will be plenty busy tracking down where key Taliban and AQ are heading as they attempt to bail from their current locations and begin worrying about just what else the US knows about them - looking over their shoulders for a Hellfire from above, or the courier or associate next to them - and wondering just who may have given them up.

Then, expect to see a greatly expanded series of airstrikes and other JSOG operations against key targets, potentially within the Frontier Provinces or within Pakistan proper - again without necessarily getting cooperation/coordination from the Pakistanis.

The intel on those computers and records is likely to be time sensitive - and culling through all that material takes time, but it will also corroborate other intel sources and surveillance. That will firm up other targets and could lead to additional security alerts worldwide as AQ targets become identified and cells are disrupted before they can carry out attacks.

At the same time, I'm also expecting Zawahiri or Awlaki to make their voices heard on videos - proclaiming that the jihad will go on, that they will get their revenge, etc., and perhaps wonder whether they too will have been tracked down in the same manner as OBL.

530 Big Steve  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:33:22am

re: #526 Cannadian Club Akbar

Are you that Yankee Workshop guy that is on my PBS station on Saturdays?
///


Norm Abrams? Yes you have outted me! No but I have a list of the best jobs in the world and Norm was in the top five (just behind Playboy magazine photographer)

531 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:33:54am

re: #512 lawhawk

There's satisfaction in knowing that the US could manage to identify the courier, track his whereabouts since 2007, and then carry out the mission with precision to a just conclusion.

I think that if the American people really knew all the technical capabilities possessed by our intelligence agencies they would be in awe. Those who develop these technical capabilities could work anywhere they want, believe me. They choose to put their incredible talents toward defending this country. They are truly patriots for whom we should all be very, very thankful.

532 kirkspencer  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:35:42am

re: #491 Petero1818

Yes, and I know when someone in my neighborhood buys up contiguous lots and assembles a parcel 5 times bigger than everyone else in the neighborhood, puts up 15 foot high walls and doesn't have any visible means of communication in or out of the property, nobody is curious. enough to ask "Who do you think might live there?" I don't know where you guys live, but in my neck of the woods, when a house sells and a new family moves in, people generally talk to each other about who is moving in.

But if the parcel is about the same size as a lot of others, and many of the other properties have 15 foot high walls, nobody makes a big noise.

And "visible means of communication?" Really? Underground cables and cellphones aren't possible?

OK, let's get real here. SOMEONE in the Pakistan government certainly knew. But the locals? Mirror time, folks. For the vast majority of you, at work or college, can you say with certainty that none of the residences within a mile of your business/college are not safe houses? Recall my opening paragraph that the compound's size is NOT out of line with other compounds in the area. With that noted, do you know which ones ARE out of line -- oversized, or having abnormal (too many or too few) connections?

I think it's pretty much the same sort of thing that let Dahmer (to name one example) be unnoticed for so long.

533 lawhawk  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:35:52am

re: #531 Girl with a Pearl Earring

Technical means are only one part of the equation - but it took humint to get the ball rolling. They needed to get eyeballs on the courier - identifying him personally, tracking him down, and then preparing and carrying out the mission.

534 Big Steve  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:37:40am

re: #529 lawhawk

I'm expecting a lull for the next week or two - but that the Predators and Reapers and Global Hawks will be plenty busy tracking down where key Taliban and AQ are heading as they attempt to bail from their current locations

Flashing back to the Soprano's episode where Tony and his wife are matter-o-factly pulling stashed guns and stacks of money out of the ceiling tiles and then hide them in Tony's mothers old age home when the Feds are after them.

535 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:37:45am

re: #533 lawhawk

Technical means are only one part of the equation - but it took humint to get the ball rolling. They needed to get eyeballs on the courier - identifying him personally, tracking him down, and then preparing and carrying out the mission.

Yes, you're absolutely right. HUMINT, and good tradecraft, are still the basic foundations of good intelligence work.

536 Gus  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:38:55am

I'm slacking. Back later.

537 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:39:27am

re: #534 Big Steve

Flashing back to the Soprano's episode where Tony and his wife are matter-o-factly pulling stashed guns and stacks of money out of the ceiling tiles and then hide them in Tony's mothers old age home when the Feds are after them.

OT... some dumbfuck has opened up a dance studio for girls, ages five -15.

That's not what make them dumbfucks. It's what they've named the place.

Ba Da Bing.

I shit you not.

538 lawhawk  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:40:59am

re: #532 kirkspencer

Serial killers can kill for years on end despite being actively searched for by law enforcement (consider the LI serial killer who may be responsible for at least 4 if not more killings in the past year). What is not known is just how much the Pakistanis were searching for OBL inside Pakistan proper - or what the ISI or military knew or was doing to further its search for OBL and top AQ.

Zardari admits that this was not a joint operation and that the US carried it out on its own, but that Pakistan provided some information at the outset (likely the name of the courier to go along with the nom d'guerre).

The size of the compound may not have set off bells, but the fact that the people who lived there acted out of the norm should have - burning garbage instead of throwing it out like everyone else in the vicinity. Things like that do get noticed.

It is possible that OBL was able to get into the compound in the dead of night when he didn't believe anyone was watching, and could stay there without prying eyes and then surrounded himself with women and children (ABC News has video showing kids toys in the yard for example).

539 Big Steve  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:41:52am

re: #537 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OT... some dumbfuck has opened up a dance studio for girls, ages five -15.

That's not what make them dumbfucks. It's what they've named the place.

Ba Da Bing.

I shit you not.

Now that is Sick........to quote Chris Rock, "the primary job of a father was to keep his daughter off of the stripper pole."

540 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:42:09am

re: #537 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OT... some dumbfuck has opened up a dance studio for girls, ages five -15.

That's not what make them dumbfucks. It's what they've named the place.

Ba Da Bing.

I shit you not.

Stripper pre skool?
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541 ProMayaLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:42:12am

I've got to go to class here in a bit, but Al-Jazeera STILL doesn't have the May 3 Live Blog up yet. The non-troll commenters on there are pissed.

542 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:42:34am

re: #538 lawhawk

I have never even seen the neighbors who live three doors up from me. I know someone lives there, but, I've never seen them.

543 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:43:12am

re: #539 Big Steve

I'm sure they know now, but probably did not know before.

544 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:43:13am

Work time.

Cheers!

545 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:44:40am

re: #538 lawhawk

Serial killers can kill for years on end despite being actively searched for by law enforcement (consider the LI serial killer who may be responsible for at least 4 if not more killings in the past year). What is not known is just how much the Pakistanis were searching for OBL inside Pakistan proper - or what the ISI or military knew or was doing to further its search for OBL and top AQ.

Zardari admits that this was not a joint operation and that the US carried it out on its own, but that Pakistan provided some information at the outset (likely the name of the courier to go along with the nom d'guerre).

The size of the compound may not have set off bells, but the fact that the people who lived there acted out of the norm should have - burning garbage instead of throwing it out like everyone else in the vicinity. Things like that do get noticed.

It is possible that OBL was able to get into the compound in the dead of night when he didn't believe anyone was watching, and could stay there without prying eyes and then surrounded himself with women and children (ABC News has video showing kids toys in the yard for example).

I remember when one of the last remaining Red Brigades terrorists (a woman) was captured in 1986 in a small town just outside of Rome. She had been living there for quite some time, yet eluded the Italian authorities.

546 theheat  Tue, May 3, 2011 7:53:27am

re: #537 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Makes our kids with tattoos seem like pikers. I suppose we didn't care enough to get those boys on a stripper pole in their formative years.
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547 Randy W. Weeks  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:00:28am

I'm not sure that I'd go so far as to say that he won, but he did a helluva lot of damage to us.

"Got the S.O.B." was my post on FB after I found out, and that's about all the celebrating I can muster. So much death and destruction since then. So much to come.

I'm glad he's dead and that justice has finally be done, but not much has really changed and I'm not sure we're much closer to winning this war that we were last week.

548 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:00:50am

re: #546 theheat

Makes our kids with tattoos seem like pikers. I suppose we didn't care enough to get those boys on a stripper pole in their formative years.
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I was recently thinking that "our" dance studio is "out of date." The owner (who still teaches) is 70, and still using some of the same music, dance routines, etc.

I now feel much better. (One of my criteria in picking a studio actually was to look at the outfits.)

549 blueraven  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:01:29am

re: #472 Obdicut

Why would you think that?

Disinformation. It is a common tactic to try and flush out the bad guys.
Not sure how much that applies here, but certainly possible.

550 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:02:18am

re: #548 Emmmieg

This is a totally innocent little place. I just know they're wondering, "Where are all the potential customers?"

551 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:04:28am

re: #550 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This is a totally innocent little place. I just know they're wondering, "Where are all the potential customers?"

20 years from now, when one of the "graduates" goes to hopen her own studio, what is she going to put on the information page? "Miss Kaitlyn studied at the Bada Bing school of dance."

Yeah, that'll bring in the parents and their checkbooks..

552 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:05:47am

re: #551 Emmmieg

20 years from now, when one of the "graduates" goes to hopen her own studio, what is she going to put on the information page? "Miss Kaitlyn Foxxy studied at the Bada Bing school of dance."

Yeah, that'll bring in the parents and their checkbooks..

553 kirkspencer  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:07:47am

re: #538 lawhawk

Serial killers can kill for years on end despite being actively searched for by law enforcement (consider the LI serial killer who may be responsible for at least 4 if not more killings in the past year). What is not known is just how much the Pakistanis were searching for OBL inside Pakistan proper - or what the ISI or military knew or was doing to further its search for OBL and top AQ.

Zardari admits that this was not a joint operation and that the US carried it out on its own, but that Pakistan provided some information at the outset (likely the name of the courier to go along with the nom d'guerre).

The size of the compound may not have set off bells, but the fact that the people who lived there acted out of the norm should have - burning garbage instead of throwing it out like everyone else in the vicinity. Things like that do get noticed.

It is possible that OBL was able to get into the compound in the dead of night when he didn't believe anyone was watching, and could stay there without prying eyes and then surrounded himself with women and children (ABC News has video showing kids toys in the yard for example).

and? I mean, yep, they got noticed. So how do we jump from that to telling that bin Laden is there instead of a retired senior member of the ISI (just for one possibility)?

fwiw, I'm kind of leery of the "only people burning their garbage" claim too, at this point. I mean, at this point I think the 48 hour rule would probably be a very good idea. We've already seen changes in the official story - the woman who died wasn't being a shield (unwilling or not) and wasn't bin Laden's wife, just as an example. The location of the compound changed once official maps came out for another. I'm going to guess that "normal" for the locality is going to be another thing that gets clarified as well.

It was originally an ISI safe house. Safe Houses aren't usually built or run with flashing lights saying "special interest here". There are some actions that are unavoidable, but they're minimized. I'm betting a lot of the tells you're going to find - of those that actually turn out to be true - are only obvious in retrospect and if you ignore the similar tells that are false indicators in the area.

554 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:07:56am

re: #552 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, that's just it. Miss Kaitlyn, who innocently studied ballet and tap and was in a dance troupe at college where they did modern dance to express their feelings, and is now married to an accountant, with three kids, and who has always dreamed of opening her own studio, is going to have a hard time selling that line.

555 lawhawk  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:08:25am

Panetta breaks his silence over the mission and its operational planning.

Early on, they ruled out airstrikes by B-2, cruise missiles or involving the Pakistanis lest they tip off the targets.

For weeks, Panetta had been pushing the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency to try to get photographic confirmation of the presence of the bin Laden family. “NGA was terrific at doing analysis on imagery of that compound,” he says, but “I kept struggling to say, ‘Can’t you at least try to get one of the people that looks like [Bin Laden]?’” NGA produced photographs of the two couriers and their families that McRaven’s Navy Seal team used to identify players in the compound as they made their way toward bin Laden.

Panetta only learned that the President had been convinced by his arguments on Friday, when Obama told him he was authorizing the helicopter mission and made his orders official in a signed letter. After he received the order from Obama, Panetta told McRaven of the President’s decision and instructed him to launch. He told him the mission was, “to go in there get Bin Laden, and if Bin Laden isn’t there, get the hell out!”

CIA officials turned a windowless 7th floor conference room at Langley into a command center for the mission, and Panetta watched the operation unfold from there. As he and his team waited for McRaven to report whether bin Laden was indeed in the compound, Panetta says the room was tense. “I kept asking Bill McRaven, ‘OK, what the hell’s this mean?’ and when McRaven finally said they had IDed “Geronimo,” the mission codename for bin Laden, “All the air we were holding came out.” When the helicopters left the compound 15 minutes later, the room broke into applause.

The aftermath of the mission has been productive. The U.S. collected an “impressive amount” of material from bin Laden’s compound, including computers and other electronics, Panetta says. Panetta has set up a task force to act on the fresh intelligence. Intelligence reporting suggests one of bin Laden’s wives who survived the attack has said the family had been living in the compound since 2005, a source tells TIME.

556 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:09:40am

re: #555 lawhawk

Whites of eyes. Photo. BANG! Photo. Home.

Good call, IMO.

557 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:09:40am

re: #555 lawhawk

If I were American Indian I would be offended by that codename.

558 The Yankee  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:10:25am

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559 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:10:29am

re: #555 lawhawk

Panetta breaks his silence over the mission and its operational planning.

Early on, they ruled out airstrikes by B-2, cruise missiles or involving the Pakistanis lest they tip off the targets.

Seems like they made the smart decision. I wager they didn't use the Pakistanis because they didn't trust them. They probably felt the Seals for the best option.

560 BishopX  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:11:17am

re: #538 lawhawk

I think they thing you (and most people) are missing is the number of people in the compound. When the SEALs went in they killed four or five people and took another 22 captive, most of whom were women and children. It's not like the people in the compound were incredibly reclusive either, they hired maids from the local area (two of whom were captured), and their children went out to buy candy and stuff from the store. The way OBL hid was by concealing his family within two other families (the two brothers who owned the compound). It's one thing if you don't know anyone who lives in your neighbor's house, that's odd.But if you know the guy who comes out and gets the paper in the morning, the kids who you see at the store and your cousin sometimes helps out in the kitchen, then it's reasonable that you wouldn't wonder too hard if you didn't know everyone who lives there.

There are two other issues that probably contributed to OBL's safety as well. The first is cultural, mos of the neighbors assumed the people in the compound were pashtuns, and attributed some of the weirdness (like the fact that they didn't see much of the women) to the fact that they were 'other'. The second issue is that this is Pakistan, which have an enormous wealth gap and a secretive government. So someone knew comes in to your middle class neighborhood, builds a big house and armored cars come and go, it's either someone rich (who seems a little different) or someone from the government, in which case you'd better not be caught watching too closely.

561 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:11:34am

re: #557 Emmmieg

Uh oh. You said Indian.

562 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:12:50am

re: #560 BishopX

Excellent.

563 BishopX  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:12:54am

re: #559 HappyWarrior

Seems like they made the smart decision. I wager they didn't use the Pakistanis because they didn't trust them. They probably felt the Seals for the best option.

They didn't even tell the SEALs who they were going after until the day of the mission.

564 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:14:12am

Lucky bastard.
/

565 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:14:50am

re: #563 BishopX

They didn't even tell the SEALs who they were going after until the day of the mission.

You're sitting in a room. You get handed a photo and they say "this is the target." Adrenaline, anyone?

566 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:15:06am

re: #563 BishopX

They didn't even tell the SEALs who they were going after until the day of the mission.

They were really smart about the whole operation. Kept it under wraps to avoid leaks. Brilliant work by the administration and intelligence community all in all.

567 blueraven  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:15:21am

re: #563 BishopX

They didn't even tell the SEALs who they were going after until the day of the mission.

Do you have links for that? Seems odd to me that the SEALs didn't know the target.

568 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:16:15am

re: #567 blueraven

Do you have links for that? Seems odd to me that the SEALs didn't know the target.

They knew where they were going. Maybe not who they were going after.

569 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:16:36am

Well... finally... the anti-war folks finally weigh in on the Osama issue...

I am sorry, but if you believe the newest death of OBL, you're stupid. Just think to yourself--they paraded Saddam's dead sons around to prove they were dead--why do you suppose they hastily buried this version of OBL at sea? This lying, murderous Empire can only exist with your brainwashed consent--just put your flags away and THINK!

It's also easier just to swallow the lies of the Empire like Monica Lewinsky swallowed Clinton's sperm. It works for me.

Cindy Sheehan Crazily Denies Osama Bin Laden's Death

(how about a Sheehan/M. Moore World Tour?)

[Link: sfist.com...]

570 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:17:34am

re: #569 Walter L. Newton

Well... finally... the anti-war folks finally weigh in on the Osama issue...

Cindy Sheehan Crazily Denies Osama Bin Laden's Death

(how about a Sheehan/M. Moore World Tour?)

[Link: sfist.com...]

Which world?

571 BishopX  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:17:41am

re: #567 blueraven

Do you have links for that? Seems odd to me that the SEALs didn't know the target.

I think it came from the national review, or the Daily fail. In any case they had been doing dry runs of the compound since early april(?), and knew it was a high value target. They just didn't have a name.

572 theheat  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:18:24am

Well, if OBL was renting, I don't think he's going to get his deposit back. The place was a pig sty. Shit everyplace, filthy, the entire kitchen looks like a workbench from a barn... that's one craptastic "mansion." Not to mention, they're going to have to replace all the carpet.

It looks like they had animals living in there. And by animals, I don't just mean a Jack Russell Terrier that wasn't entirely housebroken, like a True American™. Looks like goats and chickens.

I bet that place smelled like a freakin' cat box, with maybe some sandlewood incense to cut the stench.

573 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:18:41am

re: #571 BishopX

I think it came from the national review, or the Daily fail. In any case they had been doing dry runs of the compound since early april(?), and knew it was a high value target. They just didn't have a name.

I think they built a replica of the compound in Afghanistan.

574 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:19:37am

re: #573 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think they built a replica of the compound in Afghanistan.

It would make sense. Give the guys a facsimile of what they're about to encounter.

575 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:19:50am

re: #573 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think they built a replica of the compound in Afghanistan.

A full scale replica of Osama bin Laden's compound was built at Afghanistan's Bagram airbase as part of meticulous planning for the raid by US special ...

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

576 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:19:53am

re: #569 Walter L. Newton

Aw, I missed Muffintop.
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577 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:20:00am

re: #573 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think they built a replica of the compound in Afghanistan.

Yeah, well, I doubt we could sell it as a vacation rental. It looked like a prison.

578 blueraven  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:20:07am

re: #568 Cannadian Club Akbar

They knew where they were going. Maybe not who they were going after.

Well yes, I realize they knew where they were going. But it just seems strange that they wouldn't have known the high value of the target. Maybe his real name was never spoken, but I doubt they didn't know who they were going after.

579 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:20:29am

re: #576 Cannadian Club Akbar

Aw, I missed Muffintop.
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Image: cindysheehanpic.jpg

580 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:20:32am

re: #572 theheat


Yesterday, someone said, "I was expecting mansion, not meth lab."

I spewed diet coke.

581 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:21:07am

re: #579 Walter L. Newton

Image: cindysheehanpic.jpg

Meth!!!

582 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:21:32am

re: #577 Emmmieg

Yeah, well, I doubt we could sell it as a vacation rental. It looked like a prison.

Some people may be in to that heh. When I was in Prague a few years back, the hotel I stayed at was an old Soviet officers barracks from either when they liberated the city from the Nazis in 1945 or when they invaded in 1968. It was an experience.

583 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:21:47am

re: #578 blueraven

Well yes, I realize they knew where they were going. But it just seems strange that they wouldn't have known the high value of the target. Maybe his real name was never spoken, but I doubt they didn't know who they were going after.

But EVERYONE knows what he looks like.

584 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:21:50am

re: #579 Walter L. Newton

Image: cindysheehanpic.jpg

What a sad, crazy lady.

585 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:24:23am

re: #560 BishopX

Maybe Osama was the neighborhood Boo Radley.

586 McSpiff  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:25:26am

re: #578 blueraven

Well yes, I realize they knew where they were going. But it just seems strange that they wouldn't have known the high value of the target. Maybe his real name was never spoken, but I doubt they didn't know who they were going after.

Might be easier to train if you're just told you're going after "a top leadership element of AQ" than the emotional impact of OBL.

587 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:25:42am

re: #572 theheat

Well, if OBL was renting, I don't think he's going to get his deposit back. The place was a pig sty. Shit everyplace, filthy, the entire kitchen looks like a workbench from a barn... that's one craptastic "mansion." Not to mention, they're going to have to replace all the carpet.

It looks like they had animals living in there. And by animals, I don't just mean a Jack Russell Terrier that wasn't entirely housebroken, like a True American™. Looks like goats and chickens.

I bet that place smelled like a freakin' cat box, with maybe some sandlewood incense to cut the stench.

There was a fight, and a fire. Some of that happened, surely, during those events. But the place sure doesn't look like a million bucks, does it?

588 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:27:21am

re: #587 reine.de.tout

There was a fight, and a fire. Some of that happened, surely, during those events. But the place sure doesn't look like a million bucks, does it?

For a million bucks I want a soaker tub, a knock-me-out kitchen, and hardwood floors throughout.

589 Buck  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:27:52am

re: #560 BishopX

So someone knew comes in to your middle class neighborhood, builds a big house and armored cars come and go, it's either someone rich (who seems a little different) or someone from the government, in which case you'd better not be caught watching too closely.

And yet a 35 million dollar reward would have spurred me to take a chance and find out a bit more....

590 Petero1818  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:28:33am

re: #588 Emmmieg

For a million bucks I want a soaker tub, a knock-me-out kitchen, and hardwood floors throughout.

Hardwood floors are a bitch for prayers 5 times daily. Wall to wall is so much easier on the knees.

591 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:28:40am

re: #589 Buck

And yet a 35 million dollar reward would have spurred me to take a chance and find out a bit more...

35 million and 35 US passports for idnividuals of my choice.

592 Buck  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:28:47am

re: #587 reine.de.tout

There was a fight, and a fire. Some of that happened, surely, during those events. But the place sure doesn't look like a million bucks, does it?

I bet they spent most of that money on the 18 ft fence....

593 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:29:02am

re: #590 Petero1818

Hardwood floors are a bitch for prayers 5 times daily. Wall to wall is so much easier on the knees.

Huh. Look at Zawahiri's face.

594 theheat  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:29:24am

re: #587 reine.de.tout

The filth wasn't put there, it was waiting. The garbage, the clutter, the stark filth of it all - these people chose to live like animals. Or with animals, according to the fence in back.

C'mon, he had people living there that adored his ass. Built-in slave labor.

"Can't anyone pick up dirty clothes or load a dishwasher? Fuck, do I have to do everything."
595 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:30:26am

re: #557 Emmmieg

If I were American Indian I would be offended by that codename.

I just mentioned that to my husband, who is 3/4 Apache. Although it took long time to capture Geronimo, he didn't murder 3000 people on one day.

596 Buck  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:30:37am

re: #588 Emmmieg

For a million bucks I want a soaker tub, a knock-me-out kitchen, and hardwood floors throughout.

Also I bet they wish they had not spent all that money on the front lawn helicopter pads. - Doh!

597 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:30:50am

For a million bucks there had better be a bar AND an ice maker.

598 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:31:27am

re: #590 Petero1818

Hardwood floors are a bitch for prayers 5 times daily. Wall to wall is so much easier on the knees.

"Look at my rug! I'll never get that blood stain out!"

599 Buck  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:31:42am

re: #594 theheat

The filth wasn't put there, it was waiting. The garbage, the clutter, the stark filth of it all - these people chose to live like animals. Or with animals, according to the fence in back.

C'mon, he had people living there that adored his ass. Built-in slave labor.

I am sorry to say that is what you get with those 13 year old wives.....Teenagers!

600 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:32:33am

re: #594 theheat

With three gorwn women living there, you would think someone would have cared about cleanlinees or decorating.

"Just a few nice carpets or maybe a cute shabby chic dresser in the corner.

601 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:33:10am

re: #599 Buck

I am sorry to say that is what you get with those 13 year old wives...Teenagers!

And freakin' Justin Bieber posters everywhere!!!

602 theheat  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:34:09am

re: #600 Emmmieg

"For crying out loud, you're rich. I'll be damned if I'm going to live like this. Your dick ain't that special, and you smell like ass."

It's a wonder they didn't off him for us in his sleep. I would have, if I had to put up with that.

603 Petero1818  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:35:32am

re: #601 Cannadian Club Akbar

And freakin' Justin Bieber posters everywhere!!!

Speaking of Bieber, I am interested to know just what OBl has been listening to. I hope we get the details of his Itunes library.

604 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:35:34am

re: #602 theheat

It's a wonder they didn't off him for us in his sleep. I would have, if I had to put up with that.

HARSH!!!!

605 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:36:13am

From the guy who accidentally live-tweeted the raid:

The street behind the hideout. More smiles than frowns.
[Link: yfrog.com...]

606 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:36:45am

re: #572 theheat

Well, if OBL was renting, I don't think he's going to get his deposit back. The place was a pig sty. Shit everyplace, filthy, the entire kitchen looks like a workbench from a barn... that's one craptastic "mansion." Not to mention, they're going to have to replace all the carpet.

It looks like they had animals living in there. And by animals, I don't just mean a Jack Russell Terrier that wasn't entirely housebroken, like a True American™. Looks like goats and chickens.

I bet that place smelled like a freakin' cat box, with maybe some sandlewood incense to cut the stench.

The season ending episode of Hoaders was filmed there,

607 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:37:39am

re: #587 reine.de.tout

There was a fight, and a fire. Some of that happened, surely, during those events. But the place sure doesn't look like a million bucks, does it?

It looks a lot more like the men's room at the bus station.

608 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:38:27am

re: #603 Petero1818

Speaking of Bieber, I am interested to know just what OBl has been listening to. I hope we get the details of his Itunes library.

I remember hearing somewhere back that he was obsessed with Whitney Houston but I don't know if that was true. I wonder if they had karaoke nights ever.
No, Osama, not Empire State of Mind again, I know you love being ironic but this is getting even more annoying than your Poker Face phase.

609 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:38:29am

Two more from the same guy. It looks like the townspeople are really curious:

[Link: yfrog.com...]

[Link: yfrog.com...]

610 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:38:46am

re: #607 researchok

It looks a lot more like the men's room at the bus station.

ew.

611 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:39:11am

re: #602 theheat

It's a wonder they didn't off him for us in his sleep. I would have, if I had to put up with that.

'HELLO? CIA? SEND MY MY FUCKING 25,000,000.00 AND SEND TY PENNINGTON WITH THE FUCKING CHECK. WE'RE GONNA HOOK THIS PLACE UP!"

612 Buck  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:39:42am

re: #609 reine.de.tout

Two more from the same guy. It looks like the townspeople are really curious:

[Link: yfrog.com...]

[Link: yfrog.com...]

Nice way to secure a crime scene guys....

Sheesh.

613 Petero1818  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:39:43am

re: #598 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Look at my rug! I'll never get that blood stain out!"

oh that...that is just from last year's Fete du Mouton.

614 lawhawk  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:39:45am

re: #605 reine.de.tout

And those frowns could be because they realized they had a chance at that $50 million bounty, and lost out.

615 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:40:30am

re: #605 reine.de.tout

From the guy who accidentally live-tweeted the raid:

The street behind the hideout. More smiles than frowns.
[Link: yfrog.com...]

The morning radio show here had an interview with a Pakistani journalist that was tweeting during the whole thing. Can't get the audio to load.:(

616 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:41:05am

re: #611 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

'HELLO? CIA? SEND MY MY FUCKING 25,000,000.00 AND SEND TY PENNINGTON WITH THE FUCKING CHECK. WE'RE GONNA HOOK THIS PLACE UP!"

The lucky homeowners will vacation in Rawalpindi the week Ty and the crew do their thing.

617 theheat  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:41:19am

re: #611 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

'HELLO? CIA? SEND MY MY FUCKING 25,000,000.00 AND SEND TY PENNINGTON WITH THE FUCKING CHECK. WE'RE GONNA HOOK THIS PLACE UP!"

You know the next phone call from the women?

"Hello, Chippendales? Yeah, we're having a housewarming party, and wondered..."
618 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:41:29am

re: #611 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

'HELLO? CIA? SEND MY MY FUCKING 25,000,000.00 AND SEND TY PENNINGTON WITH THE FUCKING CHECK. WE'RE GONNA HOOK THIS PLACE UP!"

I'd be happy if they'd just send Ty.

619 Petero1818  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:42:12am

re: #611 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

'HELLO? CIA? SEND MY MY FUCKING 25,000,000.00 AND SEND TY PENNINGTON WITH THE FUCKING CHECK. WE'RE GONNA HOOK THIS PLACE UP!"

Oh I just bet they cry when they move the bus...

620 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:43:07am

re: #619 Petero1818

Oh I just bet they cry when they move the bus...

You mean oxcart.

621 funky chicken  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:43:07am
“Can you imagine what’s on Osama bin Laden’s hard drive?”

porn

622 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:44:05am

re: #619 Petero1818

Oh I just bet they cry when they move the bus...

...and find that Ayman al-Zawahri has moved in.

"Can't we ever catch a freakin' break?!?!"

623 theheat  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:45:29am

re: #622 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They're gonna ask for double the security deposit. And a separate one for the carpet. And a no pets clause.

624 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:46:50am

re: #615 Cannadian Club Akbar

The morning radio show here had an interview with a Pakistani journalist that was tweeting during the whole thing. Can't get the audio to load.:(

Is this the guy you're talking about?
He's not a journalist, but a resident of that town, who was awake when he started hearing the helicopters and he started tweeting about it. If you go to his twitter feed and look at what he was posting during that time period, it's funny as all heck, esp. now that we know what was REALLY happening.

625 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:46:54am

My Neighbor Osama sounds like a really cheesy sitcom.

626 lawhawk  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:47:37am

We know that video was taken of the burial, and photos confirming OBL was indeed killed. Those are likely to be released some time today (perhaps).

It goes without saying that people will criticize the burial procedures, regardless of what was done. People will criticize the publication (or nonpublication) of the photos.

People are just going to find reason to bitch about all this - just as they did with Saddam or Zarqari.

627 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:48:11am

re: #625 HappyWarrior

My Neighbor Osama sounds like a really cheesy sitcom.

I introduced myself to a new neighbor once saying, "If your life was a sitcom? I'd be the screwball neighbor next door."

628 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:48:19am

One of the boys bedroom will be done with an AK-47 theme. The other son is more of a homebody 'hands on' type. His room will be done up with a bomb/IED making motif.

The daughter's room will be covered in cloth with a slit, featuring an eyes peeking out of a niqab motif.

The doorbell chimes out a blood curdling yell.

They will just love it, I know.

629 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:48:37am

re: #624 reine.de.tout

Is this the guy you're talking about?
He's not a journalist, but a resident of that town, who was awake when he started hearing the helicopters and he started tweeting about it. If you go to his twitter feed and look at what he was posting during that time period, it's funny as all heck, esp. now that we know what was REALLY happening.

Different guy. Dude was a writer, not a journalist like I said. Guy in your link was an IT guy. But I bet there are plenty of tweets out there.

630 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:48:39am

re: #627 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I introduced myself to a new neighbor once saying, "If your life was a sitcom? I'd be the screwball neighbor next door."

That's the spirit.

631 funky chicken  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:48:55am

re: #569 Walter L. Newton

Well... finally... the anti-war folks finally weigh in on the Osama issue...

Cindy Sheehan Crazily Denies Osama Bin Laden's Death

(how about a Sheehan/M. Moore World Tour?)

[Link: sfist.com...]

I heard a Human Rights Watch guy whining on NPR this morning because we didn't capture OBL and bring him to trial "like we should have."

Sure Poindexter, you go bring him out of there alive.

Sheesh. Idiots on the right want to parade his mutilated corpse around, and idiots on the left want to give him his 3 hots and a cot ...

632 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:49:43am

re: #631 funky chicken

I'm just glad we gave him "what fo".

633 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:50:16am

re: #626 lawhawk

Both Zarqari and OBL's last memories were of SeALs looking at them. Heh.

634 funky chicken  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:51:06am

re: #572 theheat

Well, if OBL was renting, I don't think he's going to get his deposit back. The place was a pig sty. Shit everyplace, filthy, the entire kitchen looks like a workbench from a barn... that's one craptastic "mansion." Not to mention, they're going to have to replace all the carpet.

It looks like they had animals living in there. And by animals, I don't just mean a Jack Russell Terrier that wasn't entirely housebroken, like a True American™. Looks like goats and chickens.

I bet that place smelled like a freakin' cat box, with maybe some sandlewood incense to cut the stench.

You can take the terrorist out of the cave, but ...

Nasty way for a billionaire to live. I'd have the palace, private jet, and hygiene, personally.

635 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:51:12am

re: #631 funky chicken

I heard a Human Rights Watch guy whining on NPR this morning because we didn't capture OBL and bring him to trial "like we should have."

Sure Poindexter, you go bring him out of there alive.

Sheesh. Idiots on the right want to parade his mutilated corpse around, and idiots on the left want to give him his 3 hots and a cot ...

There is this issue of the lives of American soldiers. While it was worth it to risk lives to be sure we have him, and also for the intel, a trial was not worth an American life. We have him on tape confessing.

636 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:52:40am

re: #635 Emmmieg

There is this issue of the lives of American soldiers. While it was worth it to risk lives to be sure we have him, and also for the intel, a trial was not worth an American life. We have him on tape confessing.

Ad nauseam

637 allegro  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:53:19am

What I've been curious about is that bin Laden had a serious kidney problem, didn't he? Wasn't he supposed to be on dialysis? Did he get a transplant so he didn't need dialysis anymore? This would require some specialized and in person medical treatment... wouldn't it?

638 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:54:00am

re: #631 funky chicken

I heard a Human Rights Watch guy whining on NPR this morning because we didn't capture OBL and bring him to trial "like we should have."

Sure Poindexter, you go bring him out of there alive.

Sheesh. Idiots on the right want to parade his mutilated corpse around, and idiots on the left want to give him his 3 hots and a cot ...

Is he the douche who was spouting the "One country against one man" bullshit?

639 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:54:59am

Oh, good news:
Louisiana Scouts rescued from Ark. wilderness area

The entire troop was missing, there's been a search on for them.


Six Louisiana Boy Scouts stranded by high water in an Arkansas forest feasted on jambalaya, eggs and grits while awaiting their rescue, and said after being reunited with their families Tuesday that they never feared camping in an area where 20 people died in a flash flood last summer.

"I was worried that my parents would freak out," said Ian Fuselier, 13.

A National Guard helicopter plucked the boys and two Scoutmasters from the Albert Pike Recreation Area at daybreak Tuesday after the boys' parents spent 36 hours awaiting their rescue.
. ..
Scoutmaster Jeff Robinson said there were two planned river crossings on their hike. The first wasn't a problem as the Little Missouri River was only knee-high. The second crossing was chest-deep and 70 yards wide: the river deeper and wider than usual.

"I realized the water was too strong to cross the river with the boys," said Robinson, who waded into the stream to test its strength.

The leader said preparing for the unexpected is part of camping and that their only trouble was finding enough dry wood to start a fire. They packed in enough food and water that they could have stayed for another three or four days, he said.

640 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:55:14am

I am sure ideally they would have liked to have gotten him alive but that's one of those things that's easier said and done. He wasn't going to go down without a fight.

641 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:55:24am

re: #637 allegro

What I've been curious about is that bin Laden had a serious kidney problem, didn't he? Wasn't he supposed to be on dialysis? Did he get a transplant so he didn't need dialysis anymore? This would require some specialized and in person medical treatment... wouldn't it?

His compound was near hospitals.

Nuff said.

642 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:56:27am

re: #639 reine.de.tout

Oh, good news:
Louisiana Scouts rescued from Ark. wilderness area

The entire troop was missing, there's been a search on for them.

Six Louisiana Boy Scouts stranded by high water in an Arkansas forest feasted on jambalaya, eggs and grits while awaiting their rescue

They eat better than I do!!!

643 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:57:04am

re: #641 researchok

His compound was near hospitals.

Nuff said.

Or it could've been all bullshit.
:)

644 theheat  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:57:10am

re: #641 researchok

Multiple hospitals and clinics, all within blocks.

645 theheat  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:58:01am

re: #643 Varek Raith

One photo yesterday showed a shelf with a whole bunch of prescription bottles.

646 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:58:09am

re: #644 theheat

Multiple hospitals and clinics, all within blocks.

Exactly.

Whatever care he needed, he got

647 funky chicken  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:58:23am

The CNN video is nasty. Chamberpots? Really? And the grounds are disgusting...serious brown thumbs. It looks like they build irrigation systems but apparently never used them? I wonder if the guy was too paranoid to have running water.

Zero comfortable furniture, zero attractive decoration, zero decent tile work...these were nasty, classless people (and terrorists, of course).

I guess you could say they were consistant...they really wanted to bring back the stone age, and pretty much did live that way themselves. Kinda like Ted Kaczinski, just with a hundred million of daddy's bucks in his pocket.

648 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:58:25am

re: #635 Emmmieg

Agree completely, and furthermore, I seriously doubt the American people would want to pay for a trial, which would include paying for the MASSIVE security surrounding it. We've been waiting for this day for ten years, and I'm glad that we will be able to observe the tenth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks knowing that justice was finally done. We did what we had to do, and I'm grateful for a President that approved this mission. I hope that it brings some measure of closure for those whose lives were directly affected and forever changed by their enormous losses. I cannot begin to imagine their pain and grief.

649 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:58:30am

re: #644 theheat

Multiple hospitals and clinics, all within blocks.

And I'm sure they found a doctor to do a house call or get his head lopped off.

650 researchok  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:59:17am

re: #643 Varek Raith

Or it could've been all bullshit.
:)

That too.

We'll never know the whole story and that's ok with me.

There are 2998 reasons I can live with that.

651 Petero1818  Tue, May 3, 2011 8:59:26am

re: #637 allegro

I would assume that he had a dialysis machine in the house and you can be certain there is at least one doctor in one of those hospitals that has been paying a visit off and on. I would hope our "allies" the Pakistani's are looking at that angle.

652 Slap  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:00:12am

re: #603 Petero1818

Speaking of Bieber, I am interested to know just what OBl has been listening to. I hope we get the details of his Itunes library.

Michael Buble
The Best of Herman's Hermits
The Complete Steve and Edie Collection
Napoleon XIV
Kool and the Gang
Bell, Biv, Devoe
ABBA
Jerry Vale's Greatest Hits
Sheb Wooley
Best of the Carpenters
Boxcar Willie

653 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:05:12am

re: #652 Slap

No Zamfir? No Slim Whitman?

654 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:05:43am

re: #652 Slap

No Manilow? (I'm a Fanilow, myself).

655 Slap  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:06:14am

re: #653 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No Zamfir? No Slim Whitman?

lol....had forgotten COMPLETELY about Zamfir!

656 Petero1818  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:07:07am

re: #652 Slap

Boxcar is way to cool for him.

657 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:07:12am

re: #653 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No Zamfir? No Slim Whitman?

Mannheim Steamroller
Klaus Nomi

658 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:07:26am

re: #651 Petero1818

He wore one of these. Doctors didn't suspect a thing.

659 Slap  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:07:53am

re: #654 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No Manilow? (I'm a Fanilow, myself).

We could go on....I just ran off a quick list of what I thought would be just utterly ridiculous to find there....Almost included Flipper, just for grins....

660 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:08:53am

Needs moar noise!

Youtube Video
661 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:09:44am

re: #659 Slap

John Williams... "Jaws Theme"?

662 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:10:00am

re: #642 Cannadian Club Akbar

Six Louisiana Boy Scouts stranded by high water in an Arkansas forest feasted on jambalaya, eggs and grits while awaiting their rescue

They eat better than I do!!!

I was thinking to myself, in typical Louisiana fashion, they made sure they ate well, even while they were lost and stranded!

663 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:10:10am

what I hope for is that the intel will expedite getting the hell out of Astan...to me that is even more important than whacking Bin Laden

664 Petero1818  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:10:16am

re: #652 Slap

There is no way he doesn't have at least some Rush. I hear they are huge over there.

665 lawhawk  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:10:40am

re: #652 Slap

Enya and Vangelis?

666 The Optimist  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:11:51am

True or False?
Right after Bin Laden's burial at sea, over 500 sailors stood on the edge of the deck and peed in the ocean.

667 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:12:40am

re: #666 Venezuela lover

False. Our armed forces have discipline.

668 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:13:23am

re: #666 Venezuela lover

True or False?
Right after Bin Laden's burial at sea, over 500 sailors stood on the edge of the deck and peed in the ocean.

If it is true, the government won't say, but the sailors will talk.

In other words, intant urban legend.

669 The Optimist  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:15:15am

re: #667 Obdicut

False. Our armed forces have discipline.

You mean they followed orders precisely?

670 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:15:38am

re: #668 Emmmieg

If it is true, the government won't say, but the sailors will talk.

In other words, intant urban legend.

I wonder how many of them, in 10 years, will say they saw the body. (not that it would bother me)

671 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:16:07am

re: #669 Venezuela lover

You mean they followed orders precisely?

No officer would give such a stupid-ass order.

672 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:16:33am

re: #669 Venezuela lover

You mean they followed orders precisely?

Yes. Or get restriction/loss of rank.

673 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:16:39am

re: #670 Cannadian Club Akbar

I wonder how many of them, in 10 years, will say they saw the body. (not that it would bother me)

We will be unable to stop the urban legends.

674 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:17:15am

People and their weird ass revenge fantasies on a body.

675 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:17:15am

Drudge Fail....

RASMUSSEN: No 'Immediate Bounce' for Obama...

EXPERT: UBL Death Will Not Boost...

Reality: Osama bin Laden killing gives Obama quick but limited ratings boost

Overall, 56 percent of those polled say they approve of the way Obama is handling his job as president, an increase of nine percentage points over April polls by Post-ABC News and Pew. That is the highest approval rating for the president in either poll since 2009.

676 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:18:15am

re: #674 Varek Raith

People and their weird ass revenge fantasies on a body.

Dude, she was hot, OK? And still warm!!
/no need for that

677 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:18:18am

re: #669 Venezuela lover

Ah, I knew your name was familiar.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

1. When will Louis Farrakhan get his first invite to the White House?
2. How soon until Jeremiah Wright gets on the public payroll?
3. How soon until Bill Ayers is consulted on the best way to destroy the country?
4. How soon does Obama make enemies out of our country's best friends?
5. How quick will Castro brothers get all our military secrets?
6. When will Obama double-cross Israel?
etc

So, since none of that has happened-- how do you feel about Obama's presidency?

678 The Optimist  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:19:45am

Revised question-
True or False?
Right after Bin Laden's burial at sea, over 500 of the sailors were thinking about how nice it would be to get on deck and pee in the ocean.

GO NAVY

679 kirkspencer  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:19:51am

I've been thinking what's on the hard drives; what might be the most damaging information to al Qaeda. I mean there are names of key members, there are probably at least indicators of moles in various governments and businesses... so much potential.

In the end, though, I think the biggest blow will be funding. You can use code phrases for people and routes. Dollars tend to shed such things.

I think we'll get some account numbers. I think we'll also get the sources of money, both criminal and otherwise. We'll get some of the movers of money.

Yes, getting key people is good, but how often have we hit the #2 Al Qaeda man here and there for, well, not much good at all? The decentralized and cell structure has made for a resilient organization in that regard. But it takes money to do more than talk.

Just my two cents, of course.

680 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:20:35am

re: #677 Obdicut

Ah, I knew your name was familiar.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

So, since none of that has happened-- how do you feel about Obama's presidency?

Whoops!

681 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:20:38am

re: #678 Venezuela lover

Why can't you just say that you want to piss on the body? Why do you have to involve the sailors?

682 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:20:40am

re: #677 Obdicut

That. That right there, all of that, is exactly what so many of the old crowd were afraid was going to happen, and continued thinking would happen even a year or two after the election. Crazy stuff.

683 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:20:49am

I kind of like the idea of uber-professional US forces coming in, dispatching OBL, getting out, getting the evidence they need, having a quick, clean ceremony, and then getting on with it.

684 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:21:30am

re: #678 Venezuela lover

Adding "GO NAVY" doesn't make you less of a troll.

685 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:21:35am

re: #683 Emmmieg

Professionals.

686 Flounder  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:21:41am

re: #678 Venezuela lover
Our sailors are too effin busy to take a piss overboard in unison

687 albusteve  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:21:53am

re: #678 Venezuela lover

Revised question-
True or False?
Right after Bin Laden's burial at sea, over 500 of the sailors were thinking about how nice it would be to get on deck and pee in the ocean.

GO NAVY

you humor is pitiful
fuck off

688 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:21:57am

re: #678 Venezuela lover

The hell?
So you want to pee on a dead body. Just say it already.
9_9

689 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:23:30am

re: #679 kirkspencer

Yeah, I think this is going to be pretty huge.

690 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:23:53am

re: #686 Shropshire_Slasher

Our sailors are too effin busy to take a piss overboard in unison

I suspect they were just glad that they got to be part of Osama's disposal. That would be enough for me if I was on the boat...to be able to tell my family, "Yes, I was there."

691 Flounder  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:24:29am

re: #679 kirkspencer

FOLLOW THE MONEY!!

692 Flounder  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:25:22am

I love cold fried chicken, but my keyboard getting a little greasy.

693 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:25:48am

re: #679 kirkspencer

I suspect any names that pop up on those hard drives will instantly be added to the "catch that fucker" list. A comprehensive round up of key figures in Al Qaeda could have the effect of pretty much breaking up that organization for years.

694 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:26:12am

re: #690 darthstar

I suspect they were just glad that they got to be part of Osama's disposal. That would be enough for me if I was on the boat...to be able to tell my family, "Yes, I was there."

My step father got a plaque for every ship he was on. Not sure if they still do that but I would have the plaque on the wall with a framed newspaper (day and date) beneath it.

695 avanti  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:27:47am

Crazy Pam goes way, way off the rails.
"White House Coup Forced Obama to act."

Part of the "proof" was a photo of a "angry" Obama in golf attire watching the Seals. (Nope, not kidding)

Crazy Pam.

696 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:28:34am

re: #694 Cannadian Club Akbar

My step father got a plaque for every ship he was on. Not sure if they still do that but I would have the plaque on the wall with a framed newspaper (day and date) beneath it.

I would to. That's really cool though about your stepfather. Didn't know the Navy did that since nearly all my family who has been in the military have been Army.

697 iossarian  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:28:52am

re: #695 avanti

Crazy Pam goes way, way off the rails.
"White House Coup Forced Obama to act."

Part of the "proof" was a photo of a "angry" Obama in golf attire watching the Seals. (Nope, not kidding)

Crazy Pam.

Bat. Shit. In. Sane.

698 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:29:26am

re: #695 avanti

Crazy Pam goes way, way off the rails.
"White House Coup Forced Obama to act."

Part of the "proof" was a photo of a "angry" Obama in golf attire watching the Seals. (Nope, not kidding)

Crazy Pam.

so be easy and free when you're drinking with me, I'm a man h crazy harp ya don't meet everyday.

699 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:30:13am

re: #695 avanti

Crazy Pam goes way, way off the rails.
"White House Coup Forced Obama to act."

Part of the "proof" was a photo of a "angry" Obama in golf attire watching the Seals. (Nope, not kidding)

Crazy Pam.

Your first line:
According to Pam, Obama was kicked dragging and screaming into allowing the military to take out Obama.

Heh.:)

700 lawhawk  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:31:31am

re: #693 darthstar

I've got to believe that the NSA and CIA and JTTF are all running the computer data against their own databases to find links, aliases, names, addresses, and other information to corroborate their own information and to add to the targeting data for future ops.

Money transfers are sure to be involved in some fashion - whether to sustain OBL's lifestyle such as it was, or funding other terror ops.

It will likely include videos and other audio recordings, including possible drafts for those videos and audio recordings. That can prove useful in any number of ways, including determining locations, timing of the recordings, and other key details that might reveal OBL's whereabouts since 2001 - and lead to other locations that may be sheltering AQ.

701 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:32:19am

re: #700 lawhawk

It's Christmas morning in the intelligence community.

702 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:33:09am

re: #701 darthstar

It's Christmas morning in the intelligence community.

Buy stock in Starbucks. It's gonna be a long week.

703 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:33:43am

re: #700 lawhawk

I've got to believe that the NSA and CIA and JTTF are all running the computer data against their own databases to find links, aliases, names, addresses, and other information to corroborate their own information and to add to the targeting data for future ops.

Money transfers are sure to be involved in some fashion - whether to sustain OBL's lifestyle such as it was, or funding other terror ops.

It will likely include videos and other audio recordings, including possible drafts for those videos and audio recordings. That can prove useful in any number of ways, including determining locations, timing of the recordings, and other key details that might reveal OBL's whereabouts since 2001 - and lead to other locations that may be sheltering AQ.

Where's Rick Santorum to say that this isn't a big deal? Seriously, this may be as big as Bin Laden's death itself. Maybe we'll get Al-Zawahiri soon too.

704 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:34:00am

re: #695 avanti

Crazy Pam goes way, way off the rails.
"White House Coup Forced Obama to act."

Part of the "proof" was a photo of a "angry" Obama in golf attire watching the Seals. (Nope, not kidding)

Crazy Pam.

Lol.
Pam?
That's called a "serious" look.
Lol.

705 lawhawk  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:34:21am

re: #701 darthstar

Or Hannukah - because it's the gift that keeps on giving. (Eight crazy days) :)

706 darthstar  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:35:07am

Wow...it's been over 24 hours since my father forwarded some wing-nut email mocking President Obama. Talk about a honeymoon!

707 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:35:11am

re: #705 lawhawk

Or Hannukah - because it's the gift that keeps on giving. (Eight crazy days) :)

I believe eight crazy nights is what every week is called at Ms. Geller's residence.

708 lawhawk  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:35:20am

re: #701 darthstar

It's also a measure of redemption for these same agencies that failed on 9/11. It shows that they can get it right sometimes - tracking down leads for years until it culminates in eliminating a scourge and capturing intel that may lead to other such successes.

709 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:36:08am

re: #706 darthstar

Wow...it's been over 24 hours since my father forwarded some wing-nut email mocking President Obama. Talk about a honeymoon!

I don't think they know what to do...

710 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:36:32am

re: #706 darthstar

Wow...it's been over 24 hours since my father forwarded some wing-nut email mocking President Obama. Talk about a honeymoon!

When the dead Bin Laden pic comes out send it to him with the word "SCORE" in the subject line.

712 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:37:11am

re: #709 Varek Raith

It is kind of astonishing that the right-wing media has poisoned the minds of so many against the president-- along with, of course, an undercurrent of racism-- that Obama's popularity isn't sky-high right now.

713 Slap  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:38:07am

re: #700 lawhawk

I've got to believe that the NSA and CIA and JTTF are all running the computer data against their own databases to find links, aliases, names, addresses, and other information to corroborate their own information and to add to the targeting data for future ops.

Money transfers are sure to be involved in some fashion - whether to sustain OBL's lifestyle such as it was, or funding other terror ops.

It will likely include videos and other audio recordings, including possible drafts for those videos and audio recordings. That can prove useful in any number of ways, including determining locations, timing of the recordings, and other key details that might reveal OBL's whereabouts since 2001 - and lead to other locations that may be sheltering AQ.

What do you think are the odds that the names Julian Assange and Barrett Brown turn up there in some fashion? Just thinkin'.....

714 funky chicken  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:38:18am

re: #695 avanti

Crazy Pam goes way, way off the rails.
"White House Coup Forced Obama to act."

Part of the "proof" was a photo of a "angry" Obama in golf attire watching the Seals. (Nope, not kidding)

Crazy Pam.

I had my money on "May Day Surprise," actually. You know how silly lefties like to talk about GHW Bush's supposed "October Surprise" re: Iranian hostages/Reagan's election? I am just waiting for some wingnut to say that Obama has known where Osama was for many years. Their "evidence" will include:

1. Pakistani roommate/friend (?) in college.
2. Something about his mother.
3. Debate question and answer....they will "know" that Obama's people gave the question to the moderator so Obama could say he'd go into Pakistan to get OBL.
4. Something about the Mossad, somehow.

715 _RememberTonyC  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:38:39am

"The Big Dog"

Now that the Prez has gotten obl and we can start delving into his cyber stuff, he has a huge advantage he needs to exploit. People will follow the "Big Dog" when he acts like a big dog. There are people around the world shitting their pants that their names will turn up in obl's computers. Obama needs to use this advantage for all it's worth and start putting some private and public heat on the bad guys to change their ways. And he needs to make sure he doesn't lead from the back anymore. He can step up and be the Big Dog if he is so inclined. Do it, Mr President.

716 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:38:43am

And Rush has decided to go with the Obama is a hypocrite for killing Osama route.

717 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:39:02am

re: #711 Varek Raith

Beck: "Something's Not Right" With How Bin Laden Shooting Occurred

Lol

Heh tell ya, there's something about having a Democrat in the White House that makes parts of the right go full blown conspiracy nut. Beck wouldn't be saying this at all if there were a Republican in the White House nad he knows it. Note I am not knocking everyone right of center: the responses of people like Bus, Romney, Rice, and even Cheney have been complimentary to the administration.

718 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:39:29am

re: #711 Varek Raith

Beck: "Something's Not Right" With How Bin Laden Shooting Occurred

Lol

Of course.

719 funky chicken  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:39:34am

re: #702 Cannadian Club Akbar

Buy stock in Starbucks. It's gonna be a long week.

Look at the pictures--Diet Coke appears to be the administration drink of choice. I wonder if they paid for that product placement? :-)

720 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:39:54am

IT'S A TRAP!
Image: ingraham-20110503-twitter.jpg.jpg

721 kirkspencer  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:40:21am

re: #679 kirkspencer

Another major but less noticed gain is source validation. That is, they've gotten intel from thousands of sources that may or may not be valid. Every source gets a "score", part of which is based on how accurate the intel has been. Publicly known info is easy to validate, but the real useful stuff is also hard to validate. It leaves us also having to ask how they could possibly know this - what's their role, who are they near, that sort of thing.

There are undoubtedly some sources who claim to have high-level intel for whom validation has been inferential at best. This is going to allow a major sorting: good, bad, and possible disinformation sources. Firming the validity in turn allows better allocation of limited other resources -- do you chase the trail by informant A or informant B? All else being equal you chase the one more likely to be true.

722 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:41:40am

re: #720 Varek Raith

IT'S A TRAP!
Image: ingraham-20110503-twitter.jpg.jpg

President Obama said to not play in traffic. Lets go play chicken with an 18 wheeler!

Fucking morons.

723 _RememberTonyC  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:41:42am

re: #719 funky chicken

Look at the pictures--Diet Coke appears to be the administration drink of choice. I wonder if they paid for that product placement? :-)

rush will claim that photo as proof that Obama has a coke habit ...

724 aagcobb  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:42:09am

re: #712 Obdicut

We'll see what kind of bounce the President gets once post-OBL polls come out.

725 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:42:11am

This just in: CIA finds Osama's WOW avatar records on his harddrive, turns out he enjoyed playing as a female Blood Elf who enjoyed bondage...who'd have thought it?

Osama's Avatar

///

726 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:42:42am

re: #720 Varek Raith

IT'S A TRAP!
Image: ingraham-20110503-twitter.jpg.jpg

In otherwords let's do the opposite of what the President suggests to do. I really hope he doesn't suggest breathing air is good for you because Laura may take that as an attack on her.

727 lawhawk  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:43:30am

re: #713 Slap

Doubt it. But I wouldn't be surprised to learn eventually that people from within ISI or the Pakistani army were.

re: #721 kirkspencer
Absolutely - you're getting source intel that will help score the intel gleaned from other sources, whether HUMINT or SIGINT. It will be tremendously useful in boosting the reliability of intel and acquiring further intel sources.

728 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:44:03am

The Big Lie: Torture Got Bin Laden

729 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:44:07am

re: #695 avanti

Crazy Pam goes way, way off the rails.
"White House Coup Forced Obama to act."

Part of the "proof" was a photo of a "angry" Obama in golf attire watching the Seals. (Nope, not kidding)

Crazy Pam.

Check your article. It says Obama was dragged kicking and screaming to take out Obama. I think that last one was meant to be "Osama".

730 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:44:25am

Alrighty kiddies, gotta run. See ya'll tomorrow.

731 funky chicken  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:45:01am

re: #711 Varek Raith

Beck: "Something's Not Right" With How Bin Laden Shooting Occurred

Lol

Jeezus. "Support the troops" by demanding every operational detail, just so it will seem "right" to your addled brain.

My husband was shocked last night about all the detail they are releasing about the operation. There is zero reason for anybody to know that the team trained in Bagram, among other things.

732 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:45:11am

re: #274 samgak

What moral obligation does Julian Assange have to ensure nothing gets in the way of killing Osama bin Laden? Why should he give that a higher priority than exposing the lies behind the Iraq War?

I'm not going to argue about Julian Assange's moral obligations, just so long as we're clear that I have no moral obligations to Julian Assange.

733 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:46:22am

re: #301 researchok

'Ding dong, Osama's gone' plan.

Just shoot me

There is a reason I keep referring to him as 'Bin Laden'. Fear the typos.

734 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:46:57am

Moron of the month:

Steelers Running Back Rashard Mendenhall Defends Osama Bin Laden, Saying 'We've Only Heard One Side'

The mixture of professional athletes and Twitter is rarely a positive one for sports organizations. For examples, you could look at Max Pacioretty's insult toward Brad Marchand last week, WNBA player Cappie Pondexter's assertion that the earthquake and tsunami in Japan may have been punishment for Pearl Harbor or Bills receiver Stevie Johnson blaming God for a dropped pass in the end zone. The list goes on and on and on.

Now, you can add Steelers running back Rashard Mendenhall to that list, and he may have instantly vaulted directly to the top.

The 23-year-old native of Illinois didn't like the way Americans were celebrating the death of Osama bin Laden on Monday, and he let out his frustrations on Twitter.

"What kind of person celebrates death?" Mendenhall, who last made national headlines for fumbling in the Super Bowl and "celebrating" a little too hard with Ben Roethlisberger in the playoffs, wrote. "It's amazing how people can HATE a man they have never even heard speak. We've only heard one side ..."

Aside from the obviously questionable position of defending the most well-known terrorist in the world, Mendenhall is factually incorrect. Osama bin Laden was the founder of al-Qaeda, claimed to be the mastermind behind the horrific attacks on America on Sept. 11, 2001, has shown no remorese in targeting women and children in his attacks and has been the No. 1 most wanted targets of the FBI. Maybe -- maybe -- you can make a case against the celebration of a man's death, but to say we've only heard one side of the story, to suggest that we, as Americans, are brainwashed into hating this evil man, that's more than a little over the line.

That wasn't all, though, as Mendenhall expressed doubt that airplanes could have demolished the World Trade Center.

"We'll never know what really happened," Mendenhall wrote. "I just have a hard time believing a plane could take a skyscraper down demolition style."

Obviously, Mendenhall has spent at least 15 minutes watching some of the awesome 9/11 conspiracy videos on YouTube, and he's passing that off as "enlightenment."

"There is not an ignorant bone in my body," he said. "I just encourage you to [think]."

Safe to say that the rest of America encourages the same for you.

735 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:47:09am

re: #713 Slap

Iinteresting you mention Assange:

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
FTA:

"WikiLeaks may have triggered the killing of Osama Bin Laden, it was suggested last night.

"For although the CIA has thought since September that he was in hiding in Abbottabad, special forces stormed his fortress only days after the website published new secret documents.

"These made reference to named ‘couriers' carrying Bin Laden's message to his followers, and also to Abbottabad as a possible Al Qaeda bolthole.

"Although the document does not suggest Bin Laden has hidden in Abbottabad, it clearly identifies the city as known to the Americans as a possible Al Qaeda leadership bolthole, and identifies by name several couriers.

"It is not yet clear whether the named couriers are those who did indeed lead the CIA to Bin Laden - but even so the document could have provided evidence for Al Qaeda that the net was closing in."

I wonder if this sped things up a bit??

736 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:48:21am

I heard Ron Paul on NPR this morning. He was highly critical of "the lack of evidence" presented that this body was UBL.

When asked directly if he thought it was, he did a Donald and said he would like to personally see the evidence.

Disgusting little politician.

737 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:48:34am

re: #328 RogueOne

A reporter on MSNBC just said the average age of the seals that went into that compound is 38 yrs old. That's pretty incredible. I expected they would be roughly 30.

Jesus. I'm turning 38 in a couple of months, and some mornings I don't feel up for getting out of bed, let alone killing Osama Bin Laden.

I mean, if you brought me a gun, and arranged for him to be right outside my bedroom, I'd give it a shot. Especially if I hadn't had my coffee, yet.

738 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:48:58am

re: #733 SanFranciscoZionist

There is a reason I keep referring to him as 'Bin Laden'. Fear the typos.

Yeah, I just picked up on that myself, FOR myself.

739 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:48:58am

Sarah Palin can't seem to remember the President's name


Palin spoke to a crowd at Colorado Christian University in Lakewood, Colo. “Yesterday was a testament to the military’s dedication in relentlessly hunting down an enemy through many years of war,” the former Alaska governor said. “And we thank our president. ... We thank President Bush for having made the right calls to set up this victory.”

She must have washed her hands before the speech and lost her notes.

740 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:49:14am

re: #329 RogueOne

it's part of the culture in the ME. It's been that way for thousands of years. Someone with a background in history/psychology should do a study...hint hint researchok. Get on it man, did you miss the part where I said I was the impatient type?

So what's the excuse of the average American wingnut/moonbat?

741 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:50:14am

re: #346 darthstar

He was such a quiet neighbor...kept to himself. Only saw him on Wednesday mornings when he took out the trash. Who knew he was the world's most wanted terrorist? It goes to show you just never know...

They were burning the trash. Didn't want anyone, even the trash guy, near the compound.

742 funky chicken  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:50:51am

re: #735 Girl with a Pearl Earring

No. Julian needs to go back under his rock, hopefully far, far away from women.

743 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:51:23am

re: #739 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sarah Palin can't seem to remember the President's name

She must have washed her hands before the speech and lost her notes.

She knew what she was doing. Sigh, Sarah, jsut give the man credit. I know you have an irrational hatred of him but sheesh. Top ranking members of the Bush administration, you know the ones that Obama nad Biden criticized are praising the administration for their actions including old George W himself. BY the way regarding Bush, it seems to me that he was a little uneasy with Obama on the campaign trail but in a way it wouldn't shock me if these guys became an unlikely pair of friends ex=president like Carter and Ford.

744 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:53:13am

re: #364 Alouette

I am greatly annoyed by the asshats who are complaining that OBL's remains were not brought to Ground Zero to be pissed and shat upon.

According to Buck, they're just fantasizing, and I don't know what's in their hearts.

Unfortunately, I am getting familiar with what's in their MINDS.

745 kirkspencer  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:53:34am

re: #743 HappyWarrior

She knew what she was doing. Sigh, Sarah, jsut give the man credit. I know you have an irrational hatred of him but sheesh. Top ranking members of the Bush administration, you know the ones that Obama nad Biden criticized are praising the administration for their actions including old George W himself. BY the way regarding Bush, it seems to me that he was a little uneasy with Obama on the campaign trail but in a way it wouldn't shock me if these guys became an unlikely pair of friends ex=president like Carter and Ford.

How many people simultaneously really understand and have the necessary clearances to understand when you reminisce about a job like that?

746 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:54:09am

re: #738 reine.de.tout

Yeah, I just picked up on that myself, FOR myself.

OBL. It's not like anyone here thinks that means Oyvind Bill Leifson.

747 funky chicken  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:55:36am

re: #713 Slap

What do you think are the odds that the names Julian Assange and Barrett Brown turn up there in some fashion? Just thinkin'...

Zero. Assange and Brown are morons. Bottom-feeders. Radical-chic wanna-be wimps.

Narcissistic little boys, but maybe someone in Osama's circle was attracted to silly little boys.

748 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:55:39am

re: #744 SanFranciscoZionist

According to Buck, they're just fantasizing, and I don't know what's in their hearts.

Unfortunately, I am getting familiar with what's in their MINDS.

A lot of folks are disappointed that OBL did not get a fair trial and a slow, public drawing & quartering.

749 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:55:43am

re: #425 RogueOne

If he were a catholic terrorist and we gave him last rites before dumping his body I'd still say it was a mistake. I'm not angry about how they treated his body, I just think it was treated with more respect than it was due. Like I said before if you want your remains to be treated in a specific manner don't go out of this world as the head of a terrorist organization.

McVeigh got last rites, IIRC.

750 Flounder  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:55:46am

I wonder if when the SEAL team raided Osama's house, when they knocked on the door, did they yell out "Land Shark"

751 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:55:52am

re: #745 kirkspencer

How many people simultaneously really understand and have the necessary clearances to understand when you reminisce about a job like that?

4

752 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:56:12am

Rooney can’t “explain or even comprehend” Mendenhall’s comments

In the hours after Osama bin Laden was killed, Steelers running back Rashard Mendenhall posted some messages on Twitter suggesting that he doesn’t think bin Laden was behind 9/11. Steelers President Art Rooney II said he’s baffled that Mendenhall would say such a thing.

“I have not spoken with Rashard so it is hard to explain or even comprehend what he meant with his recent Twitter comments,” Rooney said in a statement posted at the team’s web site. “The entire Steelers’ organization is very proud of the job our military personnel have done and we can only hope this leads to our troops coming home soon.”

Mendenhall’s Twitter comments included criticism of people who celebrated bin Laden’s death and doubts about what really took down the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001.

“We’ll never know what really happened,” Mendenhall said. “I just have a hard time believing a plane could take a skyscraper down demolition style.”

Clearly, Rooney has a hard time believing one of his players could make such crazy remarks.

753 Semper Fi  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:56:15am

re: #679 kirkspencer

I've been thinking what's on the hard drives; what might be the most damaging information to al Qaeda. I mean there are names of key members, there are probably at least indicators of moles in various governments and businesses... so much potential.

In the end, though, I think the biggest blow will be funding. You can use code phrases for people and routes. Dollars tend to shed such things.

I think we'll get some account numbers. I think we'll also get the sources of money, both criminal and otherwise. We'll get some of the movers of money.

Yes, getting key people is good, but how often have we hit the #2 Al Qaeda man here and there for, well, not much good at all? The decentralized and cell structure has made for a resilient organization in that regard. But it takes money to do more than talk.

Just my two cents, of course.

I too am curious what info the hard drives will provide and including exposure of any terrorist acts in-the-works or even contemplated. OBL, I understand, was a major provider of funds and I'm curious how he directed distribution of his estate in event of his death.

754 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:56:50am

re: #728 Varek Raith

The Big Lie: Torture Got Bin Laden

I read about half way through. Despite my disdain for Sullivan he, and many others, are spinning this to fit their agenda. We've been discussing this here.
So far nobody has refuted the fact that KSM gave up the courier after being broken by waterboarding in Poland.
By the way, I'm pretty sure the technique is used to break people not extract information at that very moment. He only started cooperating after being waterboarded so there was no need to continue the technique.

755 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:56:53am

re: #745 kirkspencer

How many people simultaneously really understand and have the necessary clearances to understand when you reminisce about a job like that?

You mean the presidency? Not many since at most you have five-six living former presidents at any given time. I heard that despite the fact that Truman used Hoover as a boogeyman on the campaign trail that the two became friends and Truman sought out Truman's advice which Hoover apparently appreciated since FDR never did.

756 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:57:39am

re: #750 Shropshire_Slasher

I wonder if when the SEAL team raided Osama's house, when they knocked on the door, did they yell out "Land Shark"

Candygram for Osama! Candygram for Osama!

Osama like candy!

Sign here sir.

757 lawhawk  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:57:40am

re: #750 Shropshire_Slasher

Candy gram!

Telegram for Mongo.... telegram for Mongo...

758 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:58:50am

re: #752 NJDhockeyfan

“We’ll never know what really happened,” Mendenhall said. “I just have a hard time believing a plane could take a skyscraper down demolition style.”

This guy plays for the Pittsburgh STEELERS? Maybe they should take him on a tour of a production plant and show him how steel is made.

Or maybe he thought the Pittsburgh football team had a name along the same theme as their baseball team.

759 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:58:56am

re: #756 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Candygram for Osama! Candygram for Osama!

Osama like candy!

Sign here sir.

This is all the more funny considering the president's admission on the campaign trail that he snuck in to Blazing Saddles. I don't care who you are but it's awesome having a president that is a fan of Mel Brooks' films.

760 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 9:59:16am

re: #757 lawhawk

Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Tue, May 3, 2011 9:57:39am
lawhawk Tue, May 3, 2011 9:57:40am

THE DAY IS MINE!

761 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:00:24am

So is the right wing internet just tearing their dicks off in rage, or what? :D I seriously can't get enough of it, it's like Christmas in May

762 blueraven  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:00:42am

re: #735 Girl with a Pearl Earring

No

763 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:01:19am

re: #760 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Varek Raith Mon, Jan 1, 0000 12:00:00am
Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Tue, May 3, 2011 9:57:39am
lawhawk Tue, May 3, 2011 9:57:40am

THE DAY IS MINE!


:P

764 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:01:20am

re: #752 NJDhockeyfan

hahaha why is it even news that a football player said something stupid


rock stars and hollywood skeletons say stupid shit by the hour :D

765 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:02:05am

re: #759 HappyWarrior

This is all the more funny considering the president's admission on the campaign trail that he snuck in to Blazing Saddles. I don't care who you are but it's awesome having a president that is a fan of Mel Brooks' films has an actual sense of humor.

^_^

766 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:02:50am

re: #754 Killgore Trout


So far nobody has refuted the fact that KSM gave up the courier after being broken by waterboarding in Poland.

I'm not sure that even makes any sense, actually. What does 'broken' even mean, in that context? If he was 'broken', why did this information not come out for months afterwards?

I don't think that sentence says enough to need refutation. He was waterboarded. He later gave up this information. There is no causal link; at most, you can say that waterboarding didn't prevent this information from coming out. There's no reasonable assumption this came about because he'd been broken by waterboarding.

Not until you define what being broken is, and how it leads to the flow of information months later.

767 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:03:19am

re: #765 WindUpBird

^_^

Well yeah that went without saying. :)

768 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:03:27am

re: #764 WindUpBird

hahaha why is it even news that a football player said something stupid

rock stars and hollywood skeletons say stupid shit by the hour :D

Yes, but to be honest, we expect the football players to say stupid right-wing shit, and the rockers and skeletons to say stupid left-wing shit. When they get their lines confused, it upsets everyone.

769 The Optimist  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:03:32am

re: #677 Obdicut

Ah, I knew your name was familiar.
1. When will Louis Farrakhan get his first invite to the White House?
2. How soon until Jeremiah Wright gets on the public payroll?
3. How soon until Bill Ayers is consulted on the best way to destroy the country?
4. How soon does Obama make enemies out of our country's best friends?
5. How quick will Castro brothers get all our military secrets?
6. When will Obama double-cross Israel?
etc

So, since none of that has happened-- how do you feel about Obama's presidency?

I was wrong on all counts-- so far. Obama gets huge kudos from me for getting Bin Laden. Well done. However, Obama has to be careful about where his is going with #6. In September, we will see about it, when the UN votes to give Palestinians a country. Can he make a decision which is contrary to world popular appeal but against U.S. popular appeal?

Obama appears to be gaining some humility and listening to Congress and his advisors.

770 funky chicken  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:05:18am

Looking at the pics of the compound, I begin to wonder of ol' Osama had gone round the bend and had been put out to pasture/dumped there by the ISI. I hope not, because if he was still active/involved in leading AlQ we will get a lot better intel from his computers.

I guess I just can't quite grasp why a guy with his means would choose to live (apparently) without running water or any other modern creature comforts.

I guess there's a pretty stark difference between Tel Aviv and Gaza. Maybe Islamists can't tolerate beauty or comfort of any kind?

771 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:05:22am

re: #764 WindUpBird

hahaha why is it even news that a football player said something stupid

rock stars and hollywood skeletons say stupid shit by the hour :D

Professional Football players should be given all the respect they deserves.

Slightly more than a circus clown, slightly less than a guy working the nightshift at a minimart.

772 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:05:54am

re: #769 Venezuela lover

Obama appears to be gaining some humility and listening to Congress and his advisors.

Perhaps you were just wrong all along, and he had the humility in the first place?

And dear god, I hope he's not listening to congress.

Now, why'd you believe all that insane shit about him in the first place?

773 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:07:02am

re: #766 Obdicut

I'm not sure that even makes any sense, actually. What does 'broken' even mean, in that context? If he was 'broken', why did this information not come out for months afterwards?


Because that's how interrogations work. The subject doesn't blurt everything out in the first hour. These interrogations lasted months (if not years) after they started cooperating. Here's more from MSNBC: Bin Laden death rekindles interrogation debate
Issikoff is not a fan of waterboarding or Gitmo but he's factually accurate and honest about the interrogations and intelligence.

774 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:08:06am

re: #769 Venezuela lover

I was wrong on all counts-- so far. Obama gets huge kudos from me for getting Bin Laden. Well done. However, Obama has to be careful about where his is going with #6. In September, we will see about it, when the UN votes to give Palestinians a country. Can he make a decision which is contrary to world popular appeal but against U.S. popular appeal?

Obama appears to be gaining some humility and listening to Congress and his advisors.

I am glad you're admitting your wrong here but I think the idea that Obama was especially arrogant was stupid. Listen, you have to be arrogant to want that job. You have to think I'm a capable enough sob to be what only forty three other men have been. Not knocking you in particular, I just think the accusations that Obama was this egomaniac and John McCain was this paradime of humility were stupid.

775 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:08:17am

"WikiLeaks: Bin Laden's courier 'trained 9/11 hijack team'":

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

776 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:10:51am

re: #773 Killgore Trout

Because that's how interrogations work.

I'm sorry, but again, from what I've read about interrogation-- and I've read quite a lot-- it's not.

The subject doesn't blurt everything out in the first hour. These interrogations lasted months (if not years) after they started cooperating.

Certainly. But that cooperation being tied to the waterboarding is purely speculative. It could have been the much-more reliable and established methods of creating a rapport with the prisoner.

Issikoff is not a fan of waterboarding or Gitmo but he's factually accurate and honest about the interrogations and intelligence.


Yes. But did you read the article thoroughly? It doesn't in the least imply that he was 'broken'.

But U.S. officials stressed that none of the detainees at that point offered up the real identity of the courier. “All we had was the nom de guerre,” said the U.S. official. To one counterterrorism expert who has sharply criticized the CIA’s interrogations, the failure of any of the high-value detainees to provide the identity of the courier raises fresh questions about the value of the information the agency was receiving from enhanced interrogations.

“They waterboarded KSM (Khaled Sheikh Mohammed) 183 times and he still didn’t give the guy up,” said one former U.S. counterterrorism official who asked not to be identified. “Come on. And you want to tell me that enhanced interrogation techniques worked?"

It is possible that neither Qahtani nor Mohammed knew the true identify of bin Laden’s trusted courier, although that would appear to contradict the U.S. official’s description of him as Mohammed’s “protégé.”

In the end, U.S. officials say, it took years of patient intelligence
work -- including information gleaned from multiple detainees and other sources of intelligence -- to enable the CIA to figure out who the courier was.

777 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:11:18am

I really could care less about what Mendy said. Love the guy as a football player (I'm a Steelers fan) but for every dope like Mendy, there's a guy like Troy Polamalu who dedicates his time nad money to the armed forces. That guy is one of those rare people where you say he's a great athlete but he may damned well be a better man.

778 Slap  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:11:32am

re: #747 funky chicken

Zero. Assange and Brown are morons. Bottom-feeders. Radical-chic wanna-be wimps.

Narcissistic little boys, but maybe someone in Osama's circle was attracted to silly little boys.

That's kind of the lines along which I was thinking. Nothing so blatant as any direct, intentional linkage, but I'm definitely curious about whether any AQ computer info references any of the information released during the dumps.

779 avanti  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:11:58am

Update on Pam's coup story. Her linked source was "Newsflavor"
a site with a interesting concept:

" It's an internet based 'news' site.... in that it is not 'news' at all. They have no professional journalists, adhere to no journalistic standards... anyone can write for them. They pay on articles being picked up by other 'media'...

For example: I could write a 'story', saying that Barack Obama is actually Satan and fake an interview with some 'anonymous' source. Then I can file it with 'newsflavor' and if some sucker buys it to run it, I get a cut of what they pay. "

I hope Pam had to pay dearly, and perhaps later find the story was a joke plant.

780 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:12:51am

re: #779 avanti

Update on Pam's coup story. Her linked source was "Newsflavor"
a site with a interesting concept:

" It's an internet based 'news' site... in that it is not 'news' at all. They have no professional journalists, adhere to no journalistic standards... anyone can write for them. They pay on articles being picked up by other 'media'...

For example: I could write a 'story', saying that Barack Obama is actually Satan and fake an interview with some 'anonymous' source. Then I can file it with 'newsflavor' and if some sucker buys it to run it, I get a cut of what they pay. "

I hope Pam had to pay dearly, and perhaps later find the story was a joke plant.

That's funny right there.

781 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:14:09am

re: #780 Varek Raith

That's funny right there.

I smell a wonderfully grinchy idea...

782 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:14:41am

re: #779 avanti

Update on Pam's coup story. Her linked source was "Newsflavor"
a site with a interesting concept:

" It's an internet based 'news' site... in that it is not 'news' at all. They have no professional journalists, adhere to no journalistic standards... anyone can write for them. They pay on articles being picked up by other 'media'...

For example: I could write a 'story', saying that Barack Obama is actually Satan and fake an interview with some 'anonymous' source. Then I can file it with 'newsflavor' and if some sucker buys it to run it, I get a cut of what they pay. "

I hope Pam had to pay dearly, and perhaps later find the story was a joke plant.

So, Pam gets made to look like a sucker and has to pony up? Where do I sign up?

783 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:16:14am

re: #782 HappyWarrior

So, Pam gets made to look like a sucker and has to pony up? Where do I sign up?

The internet.

784 avanti  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:17:01am

re: #782 HappyWarrior

So, Pam gets made to look like a sucker and has to pony up? Where do I sign up?

Here's the link to submit a story for Pam to pick up. From the submit a story link on their site. BTW, make it real crazy, or Pam won't pick it up.

[Link: www.triond.com...]

785 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:17:03am

re: #783 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The internet.

Ha, I know. She really is crazy though. I can't wait to see how she reacts if Obama wins re-election.

786 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:18:10am

re: #768 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, but to be honest, we expect the football players to say stupid right-wing shit, and the rockers and skeletons to say stupid left-wing shit. When they get their lines confused, it upsets everyone.

ahahahaha true

And then there was that genius pitching coach who was all with the gay slurs from the field, that was an enjoyable romp

I never understood why anyone considered sports stars "role models" it seems pointless for a "role model" to be someone with an incredibly specialized physical skill, as opposed to someone who is smart, has many skills, their wits about them, and is in a field that is attainable without being in the top 0.0001% of physical specimens. I get minority barriers in sports, and how someone who breaks one is a role model, but that's across the spectrum of professions

787 Slap  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:18:25am

re: #779 avanti

Update on Pam's coup story. Her linked source was "Newsflavor"
. "

Newsflavor????????

Gosh, THAT sure sounds like sum SEAR-Y-US jernalizm raht thar.

Her next source?

Storyaroma.

788 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:19:06am

re: #782 HappyWarrior

man they just keep building new business models, crazier and crazier


William Gibson's world comes more true every day. Welcome to the digital sprawl

789 avanti  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:19:33am

re: #784 avanti

Here's the link to submit a story for Pam to pick up. From the submit a story link on their site. BTW, make it real crazy, or Pam won't pick it up.

[Link: www.triond.com...]

BTW, that is the actual link from the Newsflavor web site that Pam used as her source.

790 tomg51spence  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:19:35am

Wish the SEALs could have been given the reward.

Wonder what they would have done with it.

791 Varek Raith  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:20:20am

Later gators.
Image: i-has-a-hat.jpg

792 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:20:53am

re: #788 WindUpBird

man they just keep building new business models, crazier and crazier

William Gibson's world comes more true every day. Welcome to the digital sprawl

Oh all crazy takes is this
1 angry wing nut
1 750 ml of your favorite liquor here
1 Black Democratic president doing something that will make him popular
=======
1 even more angry wing nut.

793 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:21:00am

Muslim event in Oregon canceled due to threats


Rally to celebrate death of bin Laden called off after Islamic Society of Greater Portland receives threatening emails
794 Ericus58  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:21:59am

"#1815: Speaking about the lack of communication between the US and Pakistan during the mission, Wendy Chamberlin, the former US ambassador to Pakistan, tells CNN there comes a point where the US may need to "renegotiate a relationship with the country"."

795 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:22:09am

re: #793 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

ugh

Well, Battleground, WA is a local call to Portland, I would put real money down that's where the calls are coming from, lotta creepy KKK-type rubes living in the sticks in Vancouver, also Hillsboro

796 Slap  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:22:15am

re: #790 tomg51spence

Wish the SEALs could have been given the reward.

Wonder what they would have done with it.

Based on the Special Forces guys I've known, they'd give it back, or give it to the families of fallen warriors. Those are guys for whom money is a distant motivator, at best. The most astoundingly professional of all our soldiers, they are.

They'd just say, "We did our job."

797 funky chicken  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:22:39am

avanti--serious question, kinda, and then I gotta run. Crazy Pam is saying that Hillary, Gates, and Daley are the "good guys" and Obama's the bad guy, right?

When did Bill Daley become a "good guy" instead of "another Chicago thug?"

I can't keep up.

798 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:23:30am

re: #793 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

but yeha, probably best not to encourage crazies by having a big event over Bin Laden's death, big target sign for nutbags

799 Ericus58  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:24:17am

re: #793 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Muslim event in Oregon canceled due to threats

"Ahmad didn't go into detail about the threats but it could be coming from both people who have an axe to grind with Muslims and Muslims who sympathize with Osama Bin Laden and his principles."

I would look at the second group being far more upset with the event.

800 Petero1818  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:24:30am

re: #796 Slap

Based on the Special Forces guys I've known, they'd give it back, or give it to the families of fallen warriors. Those are guys for whom money is a distant motivator, at best. The most astoundingly professional of all our soldiers, they are.

They'd just say, "We did our job."

For sure. Though I believe they do get to cash out once they leave the Seal teams by working for private contractors. They deserve to get paid,so I don't mean that in any negative way at all.

801 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:25:11am

re: #294 researchok

re: #290 iceweasel

Cute? Cool?

You are a strange lot.

Some of my female friends in the fandom pick up dead wildlife to clean it for the bones, as art reference, as art objects

I'm sooo used to this stuff *_*

802 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:25:57am

re: #801 WindUpBird

Some of my female friends in the fandom pick up dead wildlife to clean it for the bones, as art reference, as art objects

I'm sooo used to this stuff *_*

Like the dead mouse guy in "Dinner For Shmucks"?

803 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:26:05am

re: #799 Ericus58

"Ahmad didn't go into detail about the threats but it could be coming from both people who have an axe to grind with Muslims and Muslims who sympathize with Osama Bin Laden and his principles."

I would look at the second group being far more upset with the event.

I'm pretty sure a Portland thing is not going have a bunch of YAY Bin Laden shit, hahahaha

804 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:27:12am

re: #743 HappyWarrior

She knew what she was doing. Sigh, Sarah, jsut give the man credit. I know you have an irrational hatred of him but sheesh. Top ranking members of the Bush administration, you know the ones that Obama nad Biden criticized are praising the administration for their actions including old George W himself. BY the way regarding Bush, it seems to me that he was a little uneasy with Obama on the campaign trail but in a way it wouldn't shock me if these guys became an unlikely pair of friends ex=president like Carter and Ford.

To a degree a friendship like that is not too unlikely since they would both share the common experience of the trials and tribulations of attempting to steer the country amidst all the political bickering, in-fighting, etc. Simply look at how the office has aged these men.

805 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:27:29am

re: #802 Alouette

Like the dead mouse guy in "Dinner For Shmucks"?

Don't know the film, but I'm sure it's similar

On gal has an intact coyote skeleton that she's making some art project out of

Not my bag, I don't pick up dead things in the woods :D

806 lawhawk  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:28:21am

More photos of the journalists camped out in front of Ground Zero - at Church and Vesey, and that the crowds are pretty much trying to see which reporters are on scene.

807 Ericus58  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:28:41am

re: #803 WindUpBird

I'm pretty sure a Portland thing is not going have a bunch of YAY Bin Laden shit, hahahaha

Which group of people would be more upset with a celebration of OBL's death?

I didn't see in the article details as to the origin of the threats either.

808 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:28:54am

re: #442 Varek Raith

During Budget Crisis, Texas House Committee Passes Tax Break For Yacht Owners
More DERP!

lol Texas

809 The Optimist  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:29:15am

Osama death jokes

Not funny. Really just ordinary stuff. But you may read and repeat some of them.

810 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:29:20am

CIA director blasts Pakistan's intelligence service

"It was decided that any effort to work with the Pakistanis could jeopardise the mission. They might alert the targets." There have been few blunter, nor more high-profile, condemnations of Pakistan's intelligence operation than that made by Leon Panetta, the CIA chief, in interview with Time magazine today. And there are plenty of other noteworthy nuggets in the article as well: among them, Panetta's claim that the US has seized an "impressive amount" of raw intel from Bin Laden's compound. And how about this: "Intelligence reporting suggests that one of bin Laden’s wives who survived the attack has said the family had been living at the compound since 2005, a source tells TIME."

811 wrenchwench  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:30:21am

re: #805 WindUpBird

Don't know the film, but I'm sure it's similar

On gal has an intact coyote skeleton that she's making some art project out of

Not my bag, I don't pick up dead things in the woods :D

I have a spine and pelvis, I think from a javalina. I found it intact without any soft tissue. It was just washing out of a muddy arroyo. I was mountain biking, and I always carry a plastic bag for just such an occasion. I have it hanging with a red ribbon strung through all the vertebrae and the pelvis.

812 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:30:26am

re: #807 Ericus58

Which group of people would be more upset with a celebration of OBL's death?

I didn't see in the article details as to the origin of the threats either.

I am guessing angry rubes saw ISLAMIC SOCIETY on their googlenews and fired off the usual hotmail bombs

813 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:30:50am

Attack of the 50 Foot Woman Star Yvette Vickers Found Mummified in Home


Former Playboy pinup and B-movie actress Yvette Vickers died at the age of 82. But it wasn't until a year later—last Wednesday—that her mummified body was found in her Beverly Hills home.
814 Slap  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:31:18am

re: #743 HappyWarrior

Someone with more available time than I could probably come up with a disgustingly long list of politicians and pundits who have gone into contortions to specifically and NOT AT ALL SUBTLY praise everyone EXCEPT Obama, going so far as to naming Bush instead.

I'm half-expecting some yutzoputzo to thank Reagan.

815 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:31:26am

re: #812 WindUpBird

I am guessing angry rubes saw ISLAMIC SOCIETY on their googlenews and fired off the usual hotmail bombs

My guess as well.

816 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:31:46am

re: #810 NJDhockeyfan


wasn't Pakistan hiding him in a military safehouse?

Seems like complaining about their intelligence is beside the point, they were sheltering him

817 windsagio  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:31:47am

re: #811 wrenchwench

we have a number of random animal skulls at our cabin. For some reason people go 'hey cool a skull!' pick it up, take it back... but then leave it there and don't take it home >>

818 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:32:58am

re: #811 wrenchwench

I have a spine and pelvis, I think from a javalina. I found it intact without any soft tissue. It was just washing out of a muddy arroyo. I was mountain biking, and I always carry a plastic bag for just such an occasion. I have it hanging with a red ribbon strung through all the vertebrae and the pelvis.

YOU are probably very close in inclination to a lot of my friends, the outdoorsy types who hike a lot, bike a lot, like their animal bones, always have their awesome digital SLRs with them and...

...


...some of them fix bikes.

Hmmm :-)

819 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:33:32am

re: #817 windsagio

we have a number of random animal skulls at our cabin. For some reason people go 'hey cool a skull!' pick it up, take it back... but then leave it there and don't take it home >>

I want some of our government employee friend's government skulls

GOVERNMENT SKULLS!

820 windsagio  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:34:16am

re: #819 WindUpBird

last night at the shindig he said he'd help us break into his office if we'd steal their stuffed cougar >

821 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:35:50am

re: #819 WindUpBird

I want some of our government employee friend's government skulls

GOVERNMENT SKULLS!

SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

822 iceweasel  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:36:09am

re: #813 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Attack of the 50 Foot Woman Star Yvette Vickers Found Mummified in Home

That's so sad!

823 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:37:32am

re: #816 WindUpBird

wasn't Pakistan hiding him in a military safehouse?

Seems like complaining about their intelligence is beside the point, they were sheltering him

Congress is reviewing their money. That might get their attention.

Bin Laden’s Death Sparks Calls for Review of Pakistan Aid

824 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:37:35am

re: #814 Slap

Someone with more available time than I could probably come up with a disgustingly long list of politicians and pundits who have gone into contortions to specifically and NOT AT ALL SUBTLY praise everyone EXCEPT Obama, going so far as to naming Bush instead.

I'm half-expecting some yutzoputzo to thank Reagan.

IT's like they forget that we didn't get Bin Laden for Bush's entire presidency and here we are halfway in to Obama's first term and we got him. I think it hurts some to admit Obama's done good especially in foreign policy because their agenda to sell their readers or followers or wahtever is that Obama is weak on foreign policy and all he does is go around apologizing for the country. A total lie but it's what they want people to believe.

825 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:38:11am

re: #776 Obdicut

I'm sorry, but again, from what I've read about interrogation-- and I've read quite a lot-- it's not.

Certainly. But that cooperation being tied to the waterboarding is purely speculative. It could have been the much-more reliable and established methods of creating a rapport with the prisoner.


Yes. But did you read the article thoroughly? It doesn't in the least imply that he was 'broken'.

Yes, neither of them gave up the real name of the courier because they didn't know it. They gave up his nic name which was then used to locate his real name. Once again , that's how intell gathering works.

826 Kragar  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:38:29am

re: #822 iceweasel

That's so sad!

Sitting alone in an abandoned hose for a year before anyone thinks to check.

827 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:38:35am

re: #825 Killgore Trout

Yes, neither of them gave up the real name of the courier because they didn't know it.

I'm sorry, how do you know that? Why do you think that?

828 avanti  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:38:37am

re: #797 funky chicken

avanti--serious question, kinda, and then I gotta run. Crazy Pam is saying that Hillary, Gates, and Daley are the "good guys" and Obama's the bad guy, right?

When did Bill Daley become a "good guy" instead of "another Chicago thug?"

I can't keep up.

She's also accusing the military of treason by suggesting they over ruled the POTUS with a coup. I really should submit that story to newsflavor to get picked up.

829 ProMayaLiberal  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:39:32am

Back for a second. There isn't an Al Jazeera Live Blog for today yet. Now I'm pissed.

830 Semper Fi  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:42:05am

re: #816 WindUpBird

wasn't Pakistan hiding him in a military safehouse?

Seems like complaining about their intelligence is beside the point, they were sheltering him

I hope the truth, whatever it is, is clearly stated for all to know.

831 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:42:27am

re: #827 Obdicut

I'm sorry, how do you know that? Why do you think that?

Because that's the only information either of them gave up. I suppose they both could have known his real name and somehow independently decided to only give his alias but I think that's unlikely. It's a pretty safe assumption that they only knew the courier's alias. That's part of how these networks stay secure, not everybody knows everything. Even high level people don't know everybody's real name, location, operational details, etc.

832 Obdicut  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:45:47am

re: #831 Killgore Trout

Because that's the only information either of them gave up. I suppose they both could have known his real name and somehow independently decided to only give his alias but I think that's unlikely.

Why on earth do you find that unlikely? To me, saying that you know they didn't know it because they gave it up is just post facto reasoning based on the assumption that they would have revealed it if they knew it.

It's a pretty safe assumption that they only knew the courier's alias. That's part of how these networks stay secure, not everybody knows everything. Even high level people don't know everybody's real name, location, operational details, etc.

At least KLM was one of the highest possible members of Al-Queda. As the article you cited noted, it's very unlikely that neither of them knew his name.

833 Slap  Tue, May 3, 2011 10:49:38am

re: #824 HappyWarrior

IT's like they forget that we didn't get Bin Laden for Bush's entire presidency and here we are halfway in to Obama's first term and we got him. I think it hurts some to admit Obama's done good especially in foreign policy because their agenda to sell their readers or followers or wahtever is that Obama is weak on foreign policy and all he does is go around apologizing for the country. A total lie but it's what they want people to believe.

I'm kind of archaic in the sense that I value these quaint old concepts of Class (as in grace, honor, etc.) and Professionalism. My lack of surprise at this deliberate avoidance of praise, which I consider to be a specific insult to our Prez, should not obscure the fact that I find it disgusting, depressing and detestable that people in official positions would behave in such a disrespectful and unprofessional manner publicly.

(I know that ship sailed many years ago for much of our populace, but I'm going to continue to expect more professionalism from the people we elect, regardless of how disappointed I've become.....)

834 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:10:32am

re: #795 WindUpBird

ugh

Well, Battleground, WA is a local call to Portland, I would put real money down that's where the calls are coming from, lotta creepy KKK-type rubes living in the sticks in Vancouver, also Hillsboro

He's teasing me personally, folks.

I wasn't here. I was at Costco, buying a book for my kids.

835 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 11:59:00am

re: #820 windsagio

last night at the shindig he said he'd help us break into his office if we'd steal their stuffed cougar >

hahaha yes because how could that go wrong? :D

836 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, May 3, 2011 12:00:09pm

re: #834 Emmmieg

He's teasing me personally, folks.

I wasn't here. I was at Costco, buying a book for my kids.

hahaha I didn't know you were in Battlegroud! I'm just sayin'! I KNOW people from Battleground, they complain about the weirdness that lurks, I have friends in the 'Couv, bought my car in the 'Couv ^^

837 The Optimist  Tue, May 3, 2011 5:15:30pm

Hugo Chavez is chitting his pants. Apparently he gave Osama Bin Laden a million dollar donation a few years back. The hard drives taken from Bin Laden residence may implicate him. Just a rumor but it is likely true given Chavez presents to Iran, Hezzbolah, etc.


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