Wingnut Blog Fail of the Day: ‘Bush Feels Slighted by Obama’

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A New York Daily News anti-Obama article is spreading rapidly across the right wing blog echo chamber: Bush feels Obama ignoring ex-president’s role in Osama Bin Laden strike for ‘victory lap’: source.

The article by Thomas DeFrank quotes an unnamed “highly placed source” who says President Bush feels Obama is “claiming all the credit” for the Osama bin Laden operation, and that’s the real reason why Bush chose not to appear at the Ground Zero ceremony.

This, of course, is delicious red meat for people like Jim “Dim” Hoft (aka “Gateway Pundit”): Bush Wises Up… Won’t Be Prop For Obama’s Victory Lap | The Gateway Pundit

DERPBush wises up.
President Obama was wrong on waterboarding, renditions, the Iraq War, the Surge, Gitmo, military tribunals, and the Patriot Act. Now he wants to take full credit for getting Osama Bin Laden and wants to use George W. Bush as a prop.
Bush ain’t going for it.

Bush policies kept America safe and led us to Osama Bin Laden. (history.com)

The former president feels Obama is ignoring the Bush Administration’s role in the strike on the Osama Bin Laden compound. He won’t be a prop for Obama at Ground Zero today.

There’s just one teensy problem with this idiots’ narrative.

It’s completely false: Wife: Bush skips 9/11 NY event to keep low profile.

Laura Bush told The Associated Press on Thursday that she and her husband were out to dinner Sunday night when they received word that Obama wanted to speak with him. The former president went home to take the call informing him that U.S. military forces had killed Osama bin Laden in a raid of his compound in Pakistan, Laura Bush said.

The former first lady told the AP that her husband declined an invitation to attend Thursday’s event in New York because “that’s for President Obama to do at this point.”

She said she and her husband both felt great pride for military and intelligence personnel after hearing the news.

“It was risky and it was dangerous for our members of the military,” Laura Bush said at a Dallas elementary school where she announced grants from her foundation for school libraries.

It’s easy to predict the reaction, though; the claim that Bush’s feelings were hurt because he got short shrift from President Obama will become an impervious right wing article of faith, an eternally repeated factoid.

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208 comments

1 Randall Gross  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:30:57pm

Gateway Pundit and others certainly weren't concerned over Bush's feelings when they were decrying his immigration policy, or his opposition to people who wanted to convert the global war on terror into the global war on Islam.

2 lawhawk  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:31:38pm

Unnamed sources versus Laura Bush.... yeah, that's a real hard one to figure, especially when former President Bush is on the record as saying he'd prefer a low profile after leaving the WH and that he doesn't want to address political issues (though on something like this, it might be a good idea IMO) as a way to shut up the wingnuts and moonbats.

3 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:31:39pm

For being so macho and such mens men the wingers sure do get butt hurt real easily.

4 ElCapitanAmerica  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:32:26pm

history.com? Geez ...

5 Targetpractice  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:32:50pm

Wasn't it also an "unnamed White House source" who pushed the BS that Obama was overruled, and even faced a military mutiny, over the decision to go after OBL?

Isn't it amazing how all these "high placed sources" are suddenly coming out of the woodworks to tell the Right exactly the things they want to hear about how this all went down?

6 HappyBenghazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:33:22pm

What does Laura Bush know? She's not Dim Jim Hoft. Seriously, the hatred for Obama gets more childish everyday.

7 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:33:23pm

That and the fact that this came from his wife and not Bush himself will make this easy for the wing nuts to ignore.

8 allegro  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:34:01pm

Seeing as how Bush shut down the "Get OBL" CIA unit in 2006 with several public statements about how he didn't care about the guy and felt OBL was unimportant, seriously, how much of a contribution WAS made during his administration?

9 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:34:37pm

If I may shamelessly repost from the last thread:

Well ya see, 9/11 was their holiday, their special day, not meant for any filthy, liberal democrats. And if anybody was supposed to get Osama, it was to be them, not some got-damned liberal democrat. Obama took that away from them, and now all they can do is cry.
/half

10 researchok  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:36:32pm

I wonder who the nutters hate more today- Obama, well, because he's Obama or Bush because not only will he not won't play along with their delusional fantasies, he has made clear he wants no part of them.

As time goes by it has become apparent that despite all the nutter efforts, both Obama and Bush are pretty classy guys.

They might not always see eye to eye politically, but they really are pretty classy- which is a lot more than can be said for their rabid detractors.

11 SidewaysQuark  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:37:42pm

Getting OBL didn't win the War on Terror™, but it's possible it won the 2012 election....

12 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:39:02pm

Osama bin Laden was living in that house in Abottabad for SIX years.

That means that bin Laden was cooped up in one place, hiding in plain sight, for the last three years of Bush's presidency.

In the third year of Obama's presidency, Osama bin Laden is Osama bin Dead.

I think it's reasonable to question how devoted Bush really was to finding bin Laden.

But on the other hand, he does deserve some credit for the overall effort.

13 calochortus  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:39:16pm

re: #11 SidewaysQuark

Getting OBL didn't win the War on Terror™, but it's possible it won the 2012 election...

A year and a half is a long time...

14 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:40:14pm

re: #8 allegro

damn you, I was gonna come in and post exactly this >>

15 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:40:52pm

re: #14 windsagio

damn you, I was gonna come in and post exactly this >>

Left at the altar again.

16 lawhawk  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:40:54pm
17 Ben Jephazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:41:17pm

Breaking!: Cheezburger Network Identified as the "Highly Placed Source"!

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18 Targetpractice  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:41:20pm

Oddly enough, I remember how during the Bush years, the Right absolutely hated "anonymous sources." Used to be told that if any "anonymous source" was being absolutely honest, then there was no need to hide behind anonymity. That you couldn't trust anything that came from somebody unwilling to bet their career on it.

19 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:41:33pm

re: #8 allegro

We've been after that POS OBL since the Clinton admin. How much of a contribution or how much credit each individual admin. deserves I do not know, nor do I care. OBL is dead, and that's what counts.

20 researchok  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:41:37pm

re: #12 Charles

Osama bin Laden was living in that house in Abottabad for SIX years.

That means that bin Laden was cooped up in one place, hiding in plain sight, for the last three years of Bush's presidency.

In the third year of Obama's presidency, Osama bin Laden is Osama bin Dead.

I think it's reasonable to question how devoted Bush really was to finding bin Laden.

But on the other hand, he does deserve some credit for the overall effort.

I don't believe Bush can be blamed for 'not trying'.

It isnt as if our own intel agencies have a stellar track record of getting things right early on.

21 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:42:46pm

re: #9 Slumbering Behemoth

If I may shamelessly repost from the last thread:

Well ya see, 9/11 was their holiday, their special day, not meant for any filthy, liberal democrats. And if anybody was supposed to get Osama, it was to be them, not some got-damned liberal democrat. Obama took that away from them, and now all they can do is cry.
/half

I do think that's a factor. The conservative position on terrorism and 9-11 has been massively eroded over the past 2 years. Much of the erosion has been adopting Ron Paul/Alex Jones anti-government paranoia, They've been complaining about terror watchlists (because they include right wing extremists) and are now outraged by the TSA and airport security. Now that Bin Laden is dead they find they don't have much credibility.

22 calochortus  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:43:07pm

Personally, I would have liked to see Bush and Obama together for the occasion. But, Obama made the offer, Bush declined politely-and he has been consistent about staying out of even marginally political stuff as far as I know.

23 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:44:54pm

re: #20 researchok

I don't believe Bush can be blamed for 'not trying'.

It isnt as if our own intel agencies have a stellar track record of getting things right early on.

I agree. We've been talking a lot about the evidence trail that lead up to the Bin Laden raid. It took time for the whole thing to play out but I don't see any evidence that Bush dropped the ball.

24 HappyBenghazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:45:03pm

If Obama hadn't made the offer to Bush, I guarantee you Dim Jim and the others would have attacked him for that too. As I've said, there's nothing this president can do right in their eyes. It's amusing to see wingnuts like Dim Jim, Limbaugh, and others on the same page as Michael Moore and Cindy Sheehan simply because they hate President Obama so much.

25 AK-47%  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:45:25pm

I can even respect Bush for not letting himself become the object of the sort of idiotic Internet and media punditry that would have occured had he appeared.

26 makeitstopghazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:45:27pm

re: #22 calochortus

Personally, I would have liked to see Bush and Obama together for the occasion. But, Obama made the offer, Bush declined politely-and he has been consistent about staying out of even marginally political stuff as far as I know.

I think Bush probably likes not having to deal with the public at this point. Two terms of presidentin' probably gave him his fill.

And I like that he's showing a lot more class than a lot of people regarding this. Good on him.

27 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:45:57pm

re: #22 calochortus

He has to be staying out of the way more than any other ex-president ever has.

28 engineer cat  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:46:16pm

Bush wises up

has this statement been cleared with the World Derpological Association?

29 aagcobb  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:46:41pm

re: #12 Charles

I have read that the Bush Administration put a lot of money into building the capacity of elite special units like the Seals. If that's true, they deserve credit for that. It took years of patient intelligence work to finally identify the courier who led them to OBL; the President deserves the credit for making the call to go in and get him once they identified his location.

30 researchok  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:47:00pm

re: #22 calochortus

Personally, I would have liked to see Bush and Obama together for the occasion. But, Obama made the offer, Bush declined politely-and he has been consistent about staying out of even marginally political stuff as far as I know.

They will be together on 9/11 of this year to commemorate the event.

That is appropriate.

Today is Obama's day.

31 Summer Seale  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:47:08pm

I may be wrong because I don't hang on every single political word that comes out in the news at all times (most of it never making it past the blogsphere at any rate, which is too huge for me to follow with 100% fervor at all times), but I actually don't recall the Bushes ever saying anything but gracious things about the Obamas ever since he won the election.

I don't know all the facts about if a certain policy or secret operation started by Bush a few years ago helped to seed the act that got Osama in the end or not, but I sure wish that the right-wing would take a frigging clue from the Bushes on how to treat Obama. As far as I know, he has never badmouthed or put down Obama at all and, given this putrid political atmosphere, that counts for a lot these days.

32 Charleston Chew  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:47:16pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

I agree. We've been talking a lot about the evidence trail that lead up to the Bin Laden raid. It took time for the whole thing to play out but I don't see any evidence that Bush dropped the ball.

Bush dropped the ball when he invaded Iraq. Or, at least, took his eye off it.

33 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:47:26pm

re: #22 calochortus

Personally, I would have liked to see Bush and Obama together for the occasion. But, Obama made the offer, Bush declined politely-and he has been consistent about staying out of even marginally political stuff as far as I know.

I would have liked to see that as well, but I can't fault President Bush for declining. If I were in his shoes, looking at what the right wing has become today, I'd try to lay-low and stay outta that shit too.

34 calochortus  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:47:54pm

re: #27 windsagio

Especially when compared to Clinton. Maybe that's what he's trying to stay away from.

35 mr.fusion  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:48:15pm

re: #12 Charles

Osama bin Laden was living in that house in Abottabad for SIX years.

That means that bin Laden was cooped up in one place, hiding in plain sight, for the last three years of Bush's presidency.

In the third year of Obama's presidency, Osama bin Laden is Osama bin Dead.

I think it's reasonable to question how devoted Bush really was to finding bin Laden.

But on the other hand, he does deserve some credit for the overall effort.

And don't forget, if John McCain was President Osama would still be kicking it in that compound. Even if McCain knew Osama was there he flat out stated he would not have approved the exact type of mission that was used to put a bullet through the mans head.

Link

It began with comments Obama made in August, 2007 that if elected, he would make U.S. aid to Pakistan conditional: "Pakistan must make substantial progress in closing down the training camps, evicting foreign fighters, and preventing the Taliban from using Pakistan as a staging area for attacks in Afghanistan."

He continued:

I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me make this clear: There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf will not act, we will.

For Obama's campaign opponents, the comments became an illustration of the idea that Obama was too inexperienced to be president -- both for having the idea of acting without Pakistan's permission, and for being green enough to tell people about it.

On February 19, 2008, McCain spoke at a victory party for his win in the Wisconsin primary, and wondered: "Will we risk the confused leadership of an inexperienced candidate who once suggested bombing our ally, Pakistan?"

The following day, he called Obama "naive" and doubled down: "The first thing you do is, you don't tell people what you're gonna to do. You make plans and you work with the other country that is your ally and friend, which Pakistan is."

"You don't broadcast and say that you're going to bomb a country without their permission or without consulting them. It's just fundamentals of the conduct of national security policy," McCain added.

36 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:48:52pm

re: #31 Summer

well plenty of people are taking up that slack for him >>

Seriously tho', I think that guy has had enough of politics to last him a thousand years.

37 calochortus  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:49:51pm

Oops, gotta run.

BBL

38 HappyBenghazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:49:52pm

Bush has been a lovely ex president I have to say. I was critical of him as president but I can't find much to complain about what he's done since leaving office. He hasn't second guessed Obama and his team and come across as petty and bitter. The work he did with Clinton in Haiti following the earthquake was commendable. Even saw a speech by him at Texas A&M University where he decried know nothingism which has been unfortunately dominating his party since he left office. You know he's probably as pleased as Obama as anyone is. I say all this as someone who worked hard against his re-election. I am not big on President Bush the president but President Bush the man has grown in my eyes since leaving office. Those who claim to speak for could learn some lessons from him.

39 dell*nix  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:49:57pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

Sometimes taking the public heat off makes the target careless.

40 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:50:54pm

re: #31 Summer

I actually don't recall the Bushes ever saying anything but gracious things about the Obamas ever since he won the election.

That's exactly what I'd expect of a frikken' RINO!
/

41 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:52:54pm

re: #20 researchok

I don't believe Bush can be blamed for 'not trying'.

It isnt as if our own intel agencies have a stellar track record of getting things right early on.

Bush also had his administration overcome by developing events. I'm not a big fan of some of the decisions he made around developing events, but there was a lot going on. Perfect timing for Obama to come in, put out a few fires, and say, "OK, we were gonna do X. Let's do it."

Which he deserves credit for having done, on his watch, with his name on it.

42 Targetpractice  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:53:03pm

re: #35 mr.fusion

And don't forget, if John McCain was President Osama would still be kicking it in that compound. Even if McCain knew Osama was there he flat out stated he would not have approved the exact type of mission that was used to put a bullet through the mans head.

Link

Nah, based upon his own words, McCain would have called up the Pakistani gov't and told them "We're looking to knock off OBL in his compound in this city. Would you like to help?" 24 hours later, OBL's gone again, because his buddies in the gov't informed him that the Americans know where he's hiding and are coming to get him. The joint team gets to the compound, finds it empty, and declares that "We just missed him, yet again." McCain tells the press about how close we came to catching OBL, but he slipped away yet again, but this does not mean we will give up the effort to catch him.

43 avanti  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:53:17pm

re: #16 lawhawk

Broken clock moment - Boehner supports Obama's decision not to release the photos.

IMHO, Boehner is a rare, non-member of the wingnut wing of the GOP. I'd be surprised if he's not labeled a RINO if he does not start toeing the line. Not saying I agree with his politics, but he seems sane at least.

44 mr.fusion  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:53:17pm

President Bush during the '08 campaign on Obama's promise to get Bin Laden with or without Pakistan's help :


In an interview with Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday, President Bush was asked what he thought of Sen. Barack Obama. The president used the question to take a jab at some of Obama's foreign policy positions that are at odds with those of the Bush administration.

Here's the full exchange:

Wallace: "Do you think there's a rush to judgment about Barack Obama? Do you think voters know enough about him?"

Bush: "I certainly don't know what he believes in. The only foreign policy thing I remember he said was he's going to attack Pakistan and embrace Ahmadinejad, which — I think I commented that in a press conference when I was asked about it."

45 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:54:18pm

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

I really really really hate to be this guy, but I'm not sure arbitrarily deciding to invade Iraq counts as 'overcome by events'.

46 BongGhazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:56:09pm

If we could but find a way to productively harness the power of derp.

47 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:56:19pm

To these people, the idea of Bin Laden being killed on a Democrat's watch is liking sneaking down to catch Santa on Christmas Eve and Christopher Hitchens being there instead.

48 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:56:53pm

re: #46 BongCrodny

If we could but find a way to productively harness the power of derp.

What do you think the Tea Party is?

49 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:57:39pm

re: #48 Charles

What do you think the Tea Party is?

He said productively.

50 researchok  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:57:54pm

re: #44 mr.fusion

President Bush during the '08 campaign on Obama's promise to get Bin Laden with or without Pakistan's help :

Mr Obama has been true to his word.

He went into Pakistan and got Osama, among others.

He tried dealing with Ahmadenijad.

He is batting .500.

Pretty good, all in all.

51 lawhawk  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:57:57pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

You can argue (and that's pretty much all we can do based on supposition) that the Bush Administration could have put more effort on tracking down OBL. What that could have entailed is an open question. The US began using Predators/Reapers in Pakistan since 2004 in the frontier provinces for the most part. Tracking down the courier is considered the key to finding OBL.

How exactly could that have been expedited? Consider too that it was apparently a single phone call made that led to the breakthrough on locating the Abbottabad compound.

One question that might be answered in the treasure trove of intel - whether he was actually at Tora Bora as is considered by the conventional wisdom and I suspect, or whether he was already back in Pakistan by the time the US launched its assault on that area.

52 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:58:18pm

re: #22 calochortus

Personally, I would have liked to see Bush and Obama together for the occasion. But, Obama made the offer, Bush declined politely-and he has been consistent about staying out of even marginally political stuff as far as I know.

The only thing I recall seeing him turn out for was his trip to Haiti with Clinton--and that only had to do with U.S. politics in a very abstract, show-the-flag kind of way, it was mostly a fundraising effort.

53 HappyBenghazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:58:37pm

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

To these people, the idea of Bin Laden being killed on a Democrat's watch is liking sneaking down to catch Santa on Christmas Eve and Christopher Hitchens being there instead.

You're supposed to leave Santa Hitch scotch and cookies right? Just joking around, I like Hitch. Don't always agree with him but he's the kind of guy who makes you think and I like that. A rare quality in the punditry.

54 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:58:51pm

re: #48 Charles

What do you think the Tea Party is?

The Tea Part is productive? :-)

55 BongGhazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 12:59:29pm

re: #49 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He said productively.


Honest to God, that was gonna be my next post word for word.

56 mr.fusion  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:00:20pm

re: #50 researchok

Mr Obama has been true to his word.

He went into Pakistan and got Osama, among others.

He tried dealing with Ahmadenijad.

He is batting .500.

Pretty good, all in all.

I agree with what a lot of posters here have said about Bush --- he's been an amazingly gracious ex-President and respectful of his successor.

But he criticized the exact type of mission used to kill the world's most wanted terrorist. He gets zero credit from me for a mission that he criticized.

57 wrenchwench  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:00:33pm

re: #55 BongCrodny

Honest to God, that was gonna be my next post word for word.

LGF: Where amateur pundits go to improve their typing speed.

58 Ming  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:00:44pm

In his announcement of the death of bin Laden, President Obama DID thank President Bush. It's really a shame that this fact is now twisted into a lie, and repeated over and over.

59 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:01:07pm

re: #55 BongCrodny

Honest to God, that was gonna be my next post word for word.

I'M INSIDE YOUR HEAD!

60 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:01:22pm

re: #45 windsagio

I really really really hate to be this guy, but I'm not sure arbitrarily deciding to invade Iraq counts as 'overcome by events'.

I'll grant you that, so long as "arbitrary" means "deliberated on and voted for by a majority of our elected representatives".

61 thatthatisis  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:01:33pm

You know, when you think about what kind of person Obama is, if he were a Republican, the Democrats would be ssssoooooooo screwed.

62 BongGhazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:02:31pm

re: #59 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'M INSIDE YOUR HEAD!

Well, you wouldn't be the only one.

It's Malkovichian in here sometimes.

63 Obdicut  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:02:51pm

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

To these people, the idea of Bin Laden being killed on a Democrat's watch is liking sneaking down to catch Santa on Christmas Eve and Christopher Hitchens being there instead.

Best Christmas ever!

64 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:03:09pm

re: #60 Slumbering Behemoth

the extra snark was for langiappe :D

(I'm still foggy from getting up, but I meant that in the sense of 'for no real reason' not 'illegally', nobody can say congress didn't go along)

65 Charleston Chew  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:03:14pm

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

To these people, the idea of Bin Laden being killed on a Democrat's watch is liking sneaking down to catch Santa on Christmas Eve and Christopher Hitchens being there instead.

Or traveling back in time and discovering that Jesus was a dark-skinned Jew.

66 lawhawk  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:03:48pm

re: #63 Obdicut

You see, that's why I keep a bottle of scotch by the Hannukah bush. /

67 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:04:16pm

re: #63 Obdicut

Best Christmas ever!

Well, maybe not if you were a Neo-con Dominionist.

68 Targetpractice  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:04:24pm

It's funny, but you'd think the Right would be thrilled with Obama. He went into Pakistan, without asking for a permission slip from Pakistan or the UN, got OBL, and is not responding to the Pakistani gov't's bitching with "bowing" and apologizing.

Oh wait, forgot, he's a Democrat. How foolish of me./

69 AntonSirius  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:04:25pm

re: #58 Ming

In his announcement of the death of bin Laden, President Obama DID thank President Bush. It's really a shame that this fact is now twisted into a lie, and repeated over and over.

I also like that, according to the 'logic' of the reality-challenged right, Obama further showed his disreprect to Bush by inviting him to join him at Ground Zero. Clearly the Kenyan-in-Chief wants everyone to forget Bush even existed.

70 AK-47%  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:04:52pm

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

To these people, the idea of Bin Laden being killed on a Democrat's watch is liking sneaking down to catch Santa on Christmas Eve and Christopher Hitchens being there instead.

like sneaking down to find mommy kissing Santa Claus and Santa turning out to be uncle Dave...

71 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:05:11pm

re: #67 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, maybe not if you were a Neo-con Dominionist.

Not exactly. I hear they like coal.
/

72 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:05:25pm

re: #31 Summer

I may be wrong because I don't hang on every single political word that comes out in the news at all times (most of it never making it past the blogsphere at any rate, which is too huge for me to follow with 100% fervor at all times), but I actually don't recall the Bushes ever saying anything but gracious things about the Obamas ever since he won the election.

I don't know all the facts about if a certain policy or secret operation started by Bush a few years ago helped to seed the act that got Osama in the end or not, but I sure wish that the right-wing would take a frigging clue from the Bushes on how to treat Obama. As far as I know, he has never badmouthed or put down Obama at all and, given this putrid political atmosphere, that counts for a lot these days.

The Bushes do not act like wingnuts, 'cause they're not wingnuts.

Even when they make their annoyance with someone clear, they do it according to Miss Manners (Barbara taking a swipe at Sarah Palin, for example.)

My favorite GHWB story is actually told by Bill Clinton, who remembers showing up at the Bushes' place at Kennebunkport for a party with a very small Chelsea who was crying because she needed a bathroom. Bush met them at the door, immediately took in the situation, yelled "Barbara, the Clintons are here," and zoomed the little girl directly to the bathroom.

73 Targetpractice  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:06:02pm

re: #69 AntonSirius

I also like that, according to the 'logic' of the reality-challenged right, Obama further showed his disreprect to Bush by inviting him to join him at Ground Zero. Clearly the Kenyan-in-Chief wants everyone to forget Bush even existed.

No, it's supposed to be an even graver insult that he did, because Obama was gonna just use Bush as a "prop" for his "victory lap." That he wouldn't have shared any of the credit, but taken it all for himself.

74 AntonSirius  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:06:09pm

re: #70 ralphieboy

like sneaking down to find mommy daddy kissing Santa Claus and Santa turning out to be uncle Dave...

FTFY

75 Obdicut  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:06:29pm

re: #68 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Obama is too arrogant, you can tell by the way he bows all the time. He needs to be more humble and stop taking orders from foreign governments. He should get out there and kick some ass because by being so cowboy he's alienating our allies.

Etc.

76 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:06:48pm

re: #45 windsagio

I really really really hate to be this guy, but I'm not sure arbitrarily deciding to invade Iraq counts as 'overcome by events'.

True. Not sure I phrased that right...just that Bush's presidency had a lot of moving parts.

77 Petero1818  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:07:34pm

Trying to understand what more the wingnuts believe Obama could have done to recognize President Bush in this whole affair. A personal call, an invitation to attend ground zero, and some recognition of him during speech. I guess they feel that Bush should have been invited on the Seal Team mission.

78 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:08:32pm

re: #76 SanFranciscoZionist

No worries, its early still (for me anyways :D)

79 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:08:33pm

re: #20 researchok

I don't believe Bush can be blamed for 'not trying'.

It isnt as if our own intel agencies have a stellar track record of getting things right early on.

Without question Bush should be given credit for enabling, expanding and maintaining the counter terrorism effort that played key roles in the ultimate elimination of Osama bin Laden.

As should Clinton, who started such efforts.

No question who made OBL a priority and got him, though - that was Obama.

80 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:08:41pm

re: #63 Obdicut

Best Christmas ever!

Frankly, I would have some questions to ask about why Christopher Hitchens was in my living room on Christmas Eve.

81 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:09:34pm

re: #64 windsagio

the extra snark was for langiappe :D

(I'm still foggy from getting up, but I meant that in the sense of 'for no real reason' not 'illegally', nobody can say congress didn't go along)

Well, they did publish a list of reasons, but I guess that largely gets overlooked.

82 Targetpractice  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:09:39pm

re: #77 Petero1818

Trying to understand what more the wingnuts believe Obama could have done to recognize President Bush in this whole affair. A personal call, an invitation to attend ground zero, and some recognition of him during speech. I guess they feel that Bush should have been invited on the Seal Team mission.

Apparently, in their worldview, Obama should have given all the credit to Bush, prostrated himself before him, and whined like a bitch about how he was not worthy to lick the man's shoes. Anything else is his being "arrogant" and "self-serving," with the appearance at Ground Zero being a "victory lap" for something he had no part in.

83 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:09:47pm

re: #80 SanFranciscoZionist

Frankly, I would have some questions to ask about why Christopher Hitchens was in my living room on Christmas Eve.

To be fair, Chris probably wouldn't know for sure either.

84 AK-47%  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:10:01pm

re: #80 SanFranciscoZionist

Frankly, I would have some questions to ask about why Christopher Hitchens was in my living room on Christmas Eve.

Because the Grinch was busy stealing Channukah.

85 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:10:02pm

re: #79 Jeff In Ohio

I'm not in a mood to look it up now, but it was my impression that he substantially disassembled the anti-terrorism and anti-OBL efforts pre 9/11.

lol, damn. whenever bush comes up its the same thing.

86 AntonSirius  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:10:17pm

re: #73 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

No, it's supposed to be an even graver insult that he did, because Obama was gonna just use Bush as a "prop" for his "victory lap." That he wouldn't have shared any of the credit, but taken it all for himself.

Ideally by busting out a couple of verses of Tupac's All Eyez On Me.

87 Obdicut  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:10:39pm

re: #80 SanFranciscoZionist

Frankly, I would have some questions to ask about why Christopher Hitchens was in my living room on Christmas Eve.

Playing pinochle with Robert Downey Jr.

88 lawhawk  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:10:44pm

re: #75 Obdicut

Well, await the right-wing nut pivot when something bad - no matter how far removed from the OBL death - happens and involves Pakistan or Afghanistan and the story will be how going cowboy and invading Pakistan to get OBL was a real bad thing.

89 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:11:34pm

re: #83 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

To be fair, Chris probably wouldn't know for sure either.

Well, whatever. Since I assume he won't want to go to Mass, he can be in charge of minding the turkey and making the mashed potatoes.

90 AntonSirius  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:11:45pm

re: #82 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Apparently, in their worldview, Obama should have given all the credit to Bush, prostrated himself before him, and whined like a bitch about how he was not worthy to lick the man's shoes. Anything else is his being "arrogant" and "self-serving," with the appearance at Ground Zero being a "victory lap" for something he had no part in.

You misspelled "uppity".

91 BongGhazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:13:17pm

re: #80 SanFranciscoZionist

Frankly, I would have some questions to ask about why Christopher Hitchens was in my living room on Christmas Eve.


"This egg nog needs more cooking sherry."

92 I Am Kreniigh!  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:16:03pm

re: #31 Summer

I sure wish that the right-wing would take a frigging clue from the Bushes on how to treat Obama. As far as I know, he has never badmouthed or put down Obama at all and, given this putrid political atmosphere, that counts for a lot these days.

I wonder if he has ever given Obama one of his patented belittling nicknames?

In any case, maybe after having had that job for 8 years, Bush knows what special kind of hell it must be at times, and has some empathy for the guy.

93 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:17:31pm

I just thought if a great new conspiracy theory. The so-called "stealth helicopter" is nothing more than a plant by the CIA. That tail piece has no visible burn or scorch marks, which you might expect from pieces of a wrecked chopper that was blown up. The CIA hopes to track the planted tech to see who the Pakistanis sell it to, and to create the perception that the US has an arsenal of high-tech weaponry that can go anywhere, anytime, unseen.

94 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:17:47pm

re: #2 lawhawk

Unnamed sources versus Laura Bush... yeah, that's a real hard one to figure, especially when former President Bush is on the record as saying he'd prefer a low profile after leaving the WH and that he doesn't want to address political issues (though on something like this, it might be a good idea IMO) as a way to shut up the wingnuts and moonbats.

Doesn't the Tea party right have ill feelings towards Laura Bush?

95 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:18:16pm
96 JEA62  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:18:18pm

As much as I dislike Bush, I will give him credit; he absolutely did the class thing by turning it down.

He doesn't need the vindication of the right-wing.

97 researchok  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:18:30pm

re: #94 000G

Doesn't the Tea party right have ill feelings towards Laura Bush?

If they don't now, they will soon.

98 I Am Kreniigh!  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:19:01pm
99 blueraven  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:21:15pm

These idiots are really trying to make President Bush look petty. It is stupid.

Oh and I posted this on a dead thread but oil way down...over $10, and closed at under $100 bbl today. Its been awhile since we have seen that. Lets hope gas prices follow soon.

100 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:21:36pm

re: #95 Slumbering Behemoth

Damn Evengelicals :D

101 avanti  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:22:28pm

Fox is at it yet again, just now. A draft proposal from a low level staffer was leaked about a per mile driving tax which was shot done almost immediately by the WH. As a matter of fact, no one at the executive level was aware of the draft until it was leaked. Of course, none of that does not keep Fox from spending 10 minutes on the issue just now, without a peep about it not being a serious proposal. Here's some help to Fox to correct their story: (yea right)

The proposal was included in a draft of the administration’s Transportation Opportunities Act, but a White House spokesman said it “was not an administration proposal.”

“This is not a bill supported by the administration,” White House spokeswoman Jennifer Psaki said. “This was an early working draft proposal that was never formally circulated within the administration, does not take into account the advice of the president’s senior advisers, economic team or Cabinet officials, and does not represent the views of the president.”

BTW, the "driving tax" is already on the right wing blogs.

102 Targetpractice  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:22:55pm

re: #98 Kreniigh

Situation Room LULZ

My favorite is still the close-up with Obama holding the PS controller.

103 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:23:22pm

re: #99 blueraven

These idiots are really trying to make President Bush look petty. It is stupid.

Oh and I posted this on a dead thread but oil way down...over $10, and closed at under $100 bbl today. Its been awhile since we have seen that. Lets hope gas prices follow soon.

well.... The drop in commodities prices is a result of loss of confidence by market participants due to unemployment numbers and global economic recovery, in general. So, while gasoline may get cheaper, you might find you have nowhere to go.

104 lawhawk  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:25:55pm

re: #98 Kreniigh

Awesome. BTW, that every meme member collage is missing one - Waldo!

105 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:26:57pm

'Deathers' take over where 'birthers' left off

Some media outlets and bloggers are calling them "deathers."

Their claims follow a wide range: Some believe that the world's most-wanted terrorist was not the man killed Sunday, others think bin Laden is dead but was killed many years ago, and still others believe that the September 11 mastermind is alive -- and secretly being interrogated.

One Fox Business News host is not going quite that far. Judge Andrew Napolitano at one point declared that "Osama bin Laden is dead," but he later seemed unconvinced. Napolitano also questioned the president's authority to kill him.

Napolitano began his Monday show by saying bin Laden was "killed on the illegal whim of the president." Moments later, he added, "Osama bin Laden is dead. And the president seems to think he has the right to kill whomever he wants so long as the person is perceived as a monster and the public supports it."

Napolitano, go eat a bag of dicks.

106 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:28:30pm

re: #104 lawhawk

You just can't find him. Look again!

re: #105 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I hope somebody somewhere is keeping a running list, I know its utterly stupid, but the deathers (deaders maybe?) are really hilarious to me for some reason.

107 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:29:04pm

re: #105 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Osama bin Laden is dead. And the president seems to think he has the right to kill whomever he wants so long as the person is perceived as a monster and the public supports it."

Oh for fuck's sake! A bag of dicks is too good for this asshole.

108 HappyBenghazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:29:35pm

re: #105 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

'Deathers' take over where 'birthers' left off

Napolitano, go eat a bag of dicks.

It amazes me that a mental gymanst like Andrew Napolitano not only is a judge but a lawyer too. What an idiot.

109 Obdicut  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:29:45pm

re: #105 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A whim?

A whim?

What I don't even.

110 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:30:18pm

re: #108 HappyWarrior

political appointments are a funny thing sometimes.

Yer right tho', that doesn't explain how he passed the Bar.

111 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:30:53pm

re: #109 Obdicut

A whim?

A whim?

What I don't even.

I mean, if the President thinks he can just order troops to hunt down the most wanted terrorist in history, who is really safe?

112 Winny Spencer  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:30:56pm

The original deathers were the ones who believed in Obama's death panels.

113 allegro  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:31:23pm

re: #105 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And the president seems to think he has the right to kill whomever he wants so long as the person is perceived as a monster and the public supports it."

I was about fixin' to give him this one but then thought about all the monsters still out there committing murder and mayhem with millions of their victims suffering or dead that he/we are pretty much ignoring and thought "nah."

114 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:31:33pm

re: #112 Winny Spencer

The original deathers were the ones who believed in Obama's death panels.

Deather 2: Electric Boogaloo

115 Targetpractice  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:31:39pm

re: #105 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

'Deathers' take over where 'birthers' left off

Napolitano, go eat a bag of dicks.

Funny how the Judge had no problem with holding foreign nationals in a US military base, cut off from all outside contact or legal counsel, all of which goes totally against the ideals our justice system is built upon...

116 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:31:51pm

re: #101 avanti

Fox is at it yet again, just now. A draft proposal from a low level staffer was leaked about a per mile driving tax which was shot done almost immediately by the WH. As a matter of fact, no one at the executive level was aware of the draft until it was leaked. Of course, none of that does not keep Fox from spending 10 minutes on the issue just now, without a peep about it not being a serious proposal. Here's some help to Fox to correct their story: (yea right)

The proposal was included in a draft of the administration’s Transportation Opportunities Act, but a White House spokesman said it “was not an administration proposal.”

“This is not a bill supported by the administration,” White House spokeswoman Jennifer Psaki said. “This was an early working draft proposal that was never formally circulated within the administration, does not take into account the advice of the president’s senior advisers, economic team or Cabinet officials, and does not represent the views of the president.”

BTW, the "driving tax" is already on the right wing blogs.

I heared this Kenyan squatter, Obama, is plannin' to send his ACORN goons to collect a special "admissions tax" at the doorways to churches and them Jewish places, cain't remember what they's called: 2 dollars a head for grownups and 3 for kids, since they is the ones he really wants to keep from knowin' Gawd. Them Moslim communists in the cap'tal say it'll cut down on supermastition, whatever the He-ale that is, and prolly raise some cash for teachin' evolution and gay union recruitment.

117 lawhawk  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:32:06pm

re: #105 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Napolitano began his Monday show by saying bin Laden was "killed on the illegal whim of the president."

WTF.

Seriously. What. The. Fuck?

What kind of insane pretzel logic allows him to come up with that nonsense? Has he been reading Geller's site again?

118 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:32:15pm

re: #108 HappyWarrior

It's the whole "Adam Gadahn" thing all over again.

"OMG! Obama is a tyrant and an assassin"!

119 HappyBenghazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:32:39pm

re: #115 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Funny how the Judge had no problem with holding foreign nationals in a US military base, cut off from all outside contact or legal counsel, all of which goes totally against the ideals our justice system is built upon...

To be fair isn't the Judge more in the Paulian part of the right? Not excusing his idiocy here because there's no way he'd be getting away with saying this on Fox if there was a Republican president.

120 Obdicut  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:33:33pm

re: #111 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Why, he might go after Ayman Al-Zawahiri next! Next thing we know, Ali Atwa would be dead, and then were would be?

121 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:34:11pm

re: #118 Slumbering Behemoth

It's the whole "Adam Gadahn" thing all over again.

"OMG! Obama is a tyrant and an assassin"!

Oh, I had almost forgotten about Adam Gadahn. I'll bet he's sweating bullets right now.

122 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:34:30pm

re: #120 Obdicut

Nobody wants to live in a world where a terrorist isn't the most wanted man in the country >>

123 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:34:40pm

The Wingnuts aren't even fun to play with anymore. It's like having a dog who fetches the ball, then you throw the ball, then he fetches the ball, throw - fetch - throw ad infinitum. It stops being fun, but the dog can't call it quits - it's how he is wired. And you can't stop throwing the ball, either, cause the dog follows you around with it and keeps dropping it at your feet.

124 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:34:56pm

re: #48 Charles

What do you think the Tea Party is?

For good, I think bong meant...

125 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:34:56pm

re: #121 Shiplord Kirel

I think I missed that story, who?

126 Targetpractice  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:34:59pm

re: #119 HappyWarrior

To be fair isn't the Judge more in the Paulian part of the right? Not excusing his idiocy here because there's no way he'd be getting away with saying this on Fox if there was a Republican president.

Yeah, he's even been floated as Paul's hypothetical VP, you know, if the man ever had a real shot at being more than the GOP's laughing stock.

127 lawhawk  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:35:18pm

re: #120 Obdicut

Here's the handy dandy list (there is one domestic terrorist, plus Adam Gadahn, on that list though).

128 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:35:40pm

re: #126 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, he's even been floated as Paul's hypothetical VP, you know, if the man ever had a real shot at being more than the GOP's laughing stock.

Man that's crowded territory this year.

129 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:35:48pm

Just a quick post here, but an article about some of the details of the operation by ABC:
Navy SEALs Return to United States After Killing Osama Bin Laden

A funny little tidbit:

Of all the equipment that the SEALS took into and out of Bin Laden's sprawling compound in Abbottabad, the one thing they didn't have was a tape measure to help in identifying the terrorist. One SEAL was forced to lie down next to the corpse of Bin Laden to approximate his height, sources told ABC News.
130 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:35:58pm

re: #121 Shiplord Kirel

I hope he's shitting pink elephants. Fuck that guy.

131 HappyBenghazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:36:08pm

re: #126 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, he's even been floated as Paul's hypothetical VP, you know, if the man ever had a real shot at being more than the GOP's laughing stock.

Right, believe he's a truther too.

132 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:36:39pm

re: #125 windsagio

I think I missed that story, who?

I just made it up, actually stole it from Harry Turtledove's World War series. I'm auditioning for Fox.

133 Targetpractice  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:36:53pm

re: #131 HappyWarrior

Right, believe he's a truther too.

Indeed he is, which Olbermann suggested was reason that Fox should fire him.

134 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:37:30pm

re: #132 Shiplord Kirel

Dag, fine I'll google it. I see he's on the list anyways >>

135 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:38:03pm

Thing to get done. later Lizards.

136 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:38:12pm

Made a page for the Napolitano story.

137 Charleston Chew  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:38:19pm

Andrew Napolitano's an idiot but I love the term "illegal whim". It so elegantly sums up the reason any suspect ever ended up on "Cops".

138 Four More Tears  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:38:36pm

re: #120 Obdicut

Why, he might go after Ayman Al-Zawahiri next! Next thing we know, Ali Atwa would be dead, and then were would be?

Americans will stop taking the threat of terrorism seriously if Obama keeps killing all the terrorists!

/

139 Obdicut  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:38:41pm

re: #129 commadore183

Was his name Smoot?

/semi-obscure.

140 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:40:44pm

re: #139 Obdicut

Was his name Smoot?

/semi-obscure.

BUILD A BRIDGE OUT OF HIM!

141 Four More Tears  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:40:48pm

re: #136 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Made a page for the Napolitano story.

I thought "go eat a bag of dicks" was all the commentary that story deserved.

142 McSpiff  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:40:53pm

Totally OT, But I just went to the gym for the first time since....uhhh, ever.

Journey of a thousand miles...

143 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:40:58pm

re: #138 JasonA

We need an enemy to keep people properly scared! Look what happened in the '90s after the USSR fell!

144 Four More Tears  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:41:37pm

re: #143 windsagio

We need an enemy to keep people properly scared! Look what happened in the '90s after the USSR fell!

Higher taxes on the rich! THE HORROR!

145 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:41:39pm

re: #136 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Made a page for the Napolitano story.

And I commented a snark. Or snarked a comment. Whatever.

146 Targetpractice  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:41:45pm

re: #142 McSpiff

Totally OT, But I just went to the gym for the first time since...uhhh, ever.

Journey of a thousand miles...

...is best made by 747.

/

147 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:42:41pm

re: #141 JasonA

I thought "go eat a bag of dicks" was all the commentary that story deserved.

I like to share the joy.

148 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:42:52pm

re: #143 windsagio

We need an enemy to keep people properly scared! Look what happened in the '90s after the USSR fell!

I was too busy partying and getting laid then. What happened?

149 Charleston Chew  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:43:12pm

re: #127 lawhawk

Here's the handy dandy list (there is one domestic terrorist, plus Adam Gadahn, on that list though).

Interesting list. Right now someone in the FBI is wondering, "Where in the world is Daniel Andreas San Diego?"

150 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:43:44pm

re: #148 Slumbering Behemoth

I was too busy partying and getting laid then. What happened?

And now? LGF is nice, but hardly a great replacement for "partying and getting laid".

151 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:43:46pm

re: #148 Slumbering Behemoth

I was too busy partying and getting laid then. What happened?

Everyone was too busy partying and getting laid, and strangely everyone made a whole lot of money, including the government.

Too much success is bad y'know >

152 avanti  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:44:12pm

re: #129 commadore183

Just a quick post here, but an article about some of the details of the operation by ABC:
Navy SEALs Return to United States After Killing Osama Bin Laden

A funny little tidbit:

Based only on the nature of the Seal's performance that night, he probably could have just marked it off on by reeling out his dick along side the body.

153 Iwouldprefernotto  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:44:16pm

Bush feels slighted and I care because?

154 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:45:20pm

I have two huge points of criticism regarding GB and Iraq....
he didn't pull the trigger on al-Sadre when we could have liquidated him, and he seemed to bow before the antiwar people right at the worst time....the surge was months late...both, I feel added to our casualties....but it's not easy to prosecute a war and miscalculations are typical

155 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:45:20pm

re: #105 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

'Deathers' take over where 'birthers' left off

Napolitano, go eat a bag of dicks.

re: #106 windsagio

You just can't find him. Look again!

re: #105 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I hope somebody somewhere is keeping a running list, I know its utterly stupid, but the deathers (deaders maybe?) are really hilarious to me for some reason.

I prefer to describe them as Deadites...where's Bruce Campbell with his boomstick and chainsaw hand when you need him?

;-P

156 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:45:55pm

re: #150 imp_62

And now? LGF is nice, but hardly a great replacement for "partying and getting laid".

I'm getting too old for that kind of trouble. Not the actual "partying and getting laid" part, mind you, but the usual aftermath of such things. It gets tiresome.

157 Targetpractice  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:46:16pm

re: #155 talon_262

re: #106 windsagio

I prefer to describe them as Deadites...where's Bruce Campbell with his boomstick and chainsaw hand when you need him?

;-P

Klatu...Barada...Ni *coughs*

/

158 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:46:22pm

re: #151 windsagio

Everyone was too busy partying and getting laid, and strangely everyone made a whole lot of money, including the government.

Too much success is bad y'know >

I thought that was the '80s.
/

159 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:46:25pm

re: #156 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm getting too old for that kind of trouble. Not the actual "partying and getting laid" part, mind you, but the usual aftermath of such things. It gets tiresome.

*sigh* don't I know it.

160 Amory Blaine  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:46:47pm

re: #154 albusteve

I have two huge points of criticism regarding GB and Iraq...
he didn't pull the trigger on al-Sadre when we could have liquidated him, and he seemed to bow before the antiwar people right at the worst time...the surge was months late...both, I feel added to our casualties...but it's not easy to prosecute a war and miscalculations are typical

He never "bowed" to antiwar people.

161 kirkspencer  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:48:14pm

re: #155 talon_262

re: #106 windsagio

I prefer to describe them as Deadites...where's Bruce Campbell with his boomstick and chainsaw hand when you need him?

;-P

Nah, cool names and names evocative of greatness cannot be given to the lame.

162 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:48:27pm

re: #153 Iwouldprefernotto

Bush feels slighted and I care because?

Bush wasn't slighted, nor does he feel so. It's just more wingnut meme making.

163 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:48:44pm

re: #160 Amory Blaine

He never "bowed" to antiwar people.

hesitated would be a better word....bow is not good

164 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:48:46pm

re: #158 Slumbering Behemoth

Massive deficits even counting the social security revenue. The government at least wasn't getting rich >>

~~~

All kidding aside a good enemy gets people all nice and jingoistic, which is handy for passing whatever particular policy you favor. People are harder to sell if they're not pissing their pants.

165 Targetpractice  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:49:42pm

re: #164 windsagio

Massive deficits even counting the social security revenue. The government at least wasn't getting rich >>

~~~

All kidding aside a good enemy gets people all nice and jingoistic, which is handy for passing whatever particular policy you favor. People are harder to sell if they're not pissing their pants.

"Patriot Act," anyone?

166 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:50:01pm

re: #162 Slumbering Behemoth

Bush wasn't slighted, nor does he feel so. It's just more wingnut meme making.

just making shit up about what other people are thinking....jr high stuff

167 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:50:39pm

I'm still waiting for the "Children of the Obamacorn," those teenage ACORN/SEIU militia volunteers, to start going door to door to confiscate guns.

168 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:51:56pm

re: #167 Shiplord Kirel

I'm still waiting for the "Children of the Obamacorn," those teenage ACORN/SEIU militia volunteers, to start going door to door to confiscate guns.

Any day now...

169 makeitstopghazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:51:57pm

I just got back from running some errands and caught the half-hour news report.

For the record: Cops, firefighters and 9/11 families are on the record as saying Obama's trip to NYC today was pitch-perfect according to 1010WINS.

170 allegro  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:51:58pm

re: #158 Slumbering Behemoth

I thought that was the '80s.

For me it was the 60s and early 70s. I had lots o' that fun stuff... what I can remember anyway.

I'z old but I can haz memreez.

171 Targetpractice  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:52:30pm

re: #167 Shiplord Kirel

I'm still waiting for the "Children of the Obamacorn," those teenage ACORN/SEIU militia volunteers, to start going door to door to confiscate guns.

I had a couple show up the other day. Dressed in black suits, talking to me about being saved...oh wait, those were Jehovah's Witnesses. Nevermind.

/

172 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:52:34pm

re: #164 windsagio

Massive deficits even counting the social security revenue. The government at least wasn't getting rich

But, there was all this cocaine and loose women everywhere. Too bad I was mostly too young to enjoy it.

All kidding aside a good enemy gets people all nice and jingoistic, which is handy for passing whatever particular policy you favor. People are harder to sell if they're not pissing their pants.

I suppose that's one way of looking at it. Sounds a bit "conspiracy theory-ish" to me, though.

shut up. 'theory-ish' is too a word.

173 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:53:12pm

re: #168 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Any day now...

Good thing that 2 million rounds of 5.56 I've hoarded doesn't have an expiration date.

174 Targetpractice  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:53:38pm

re: #173 Shiplord Kirel

Good thing that 2 million rounds of 5.56 I've hoarded doesn't have an expiration date.

Dear God, what are you preparing for, the zombie hordes?

175 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:54:15pm

re: #173 Shiplord Kirel

Why so little?
/

176 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:54:57pm

re: #174 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Dear God, what are you preparing for, the zombie hordes?

May 21 is just around the corner.

177 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:54:59pm
178 Amory Blaine  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:55:17pm

re: #168 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Any day now...

05/21/2011 is the END!!!11!!1!!!!

179 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:55:22pm

re: #94 000G

Doesn't the Tea party right have ill feelings towards Laura Bush?

Debbie Schlussel absolutely trashed her in her first response to the OBL raid. Class-ay.

180 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:55:29pm

re: #174 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Dear God, what are you preparing for, the zombie hordes?

Nah, I have 250,000 shotgun slugs for that, and lots of .22 shotshells for the next big rat infestation.

181 Targetpractice  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:56:12pm

re: #176 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

May 21 is just around the corner.

Oh right, forgot about that. Well, at least I don't have to worry about paying back that loan after all.

182 engineer cat  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:56:16pm

my memory of the history of the surge was that the bush administration resisted for years the idea that the rumsfeldt doctrine was wrong, and argued that to put more "boots on the ground" would just create more targets for the insurgents. finally, you had both mccain and petraeus arguing that the bush administration was in denial about how much the iraq effort was going down the drain. so, after the 2006 election, bush fired rumsfeldt and told petraeus, "ok, if you think you know what to do, go ahead"

in other words, the resistance to the surge came totally from the bush administration - to admit that more troops were needed was to admit both that the rumsfeldt doctrine was wrong and that things were no a-ok in iraq

"state of denial"

183 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:56:36pm

re: #99 blueraven

These idiots are really trying to make President Bush look petty. It is stupid.

Oh and I posted this on a dead thread but oil way down...over $10, and closed at under $100 bbl today. Its been awhile since we have seen that. Lets hope gas prices follow soon.

They themselves are petty, and unable to imagine that the way they want to portray Bush isn't a great idea.

They will turn on Bush if he pushes them away too hard.

That's OK. He doesn't need these people. He has brush to clear, Laura, and the girls.

184 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:56:48pm

re: #172 Slumbering Behemoth

Who doesn't love a good conspiracy theory?

You should get me drunk and/or high sometime :D

185 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:57:35pm

re: #110 windsagio

political appointments are a funny thing sometimes.

Yer right tho', that doesn't explain how he passed the Bar.

No insult intended to the attorneys among us...but I've MET some people who've passed a bar exam.

186 Ericus58  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:57:39pm

re: #182 engineer dog

my memory of the history of the surge was that the bush administration resisted for years the idea that the rumsfeldt doctrine was wrong, and argued that to put more "boots on the ground" would just create more targets for the insurgents. finally, you had both mccain and petraeus arguing that the bush administration was in denial about how much the iraq effort was going down the drain. so, after the 2006 election, bush fired rumsfeldt and told petraeus, "ok, if you think you know what to do, go ahead"

in other words, the resistance to the surge came totally from the bush administration - to admit that more troops were needed was to admit both that the rumsfeldt doctrine was wrong and that things were no a-ok in iraq

"state of denial"

187 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:57:41pm

re: #184 windsagio

Thanks, but you're not really my type. No offense. :)

188 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:58:13pm

re: #184 windsagio

For the record, no I'm not saying that any world conflicts were intentionally generated for political purposes.

What does happen all the time is people pumping up anxiety levels for political purposes (threat levels, anyone?)

189 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:58:57pm

re: #187 Slumbering Behemoth

No, probably not. you could probably party my pants off, and none of us want that.

190 Amory Blaine  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:59:15pm

re: #188 windsagio

For the record, no I'm not saying that any world conflicts were intentionally generated for political purposes.

What does happen all the time is people pumping up anxiety levels for political purposes (threat levels, anyone?)

ZZZooommmgggg!!! The level izz redsss againn!!!!!

191 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:59:32pm

re: #117 lawhawk

WTF.

Seriously. What. The. Fuck?

What kind of insane pretzel logic allows him to come up with that nonsense? Has he been reading Geller's site again?

Obama just didn't like Bin Laden's face, so he had him killed.

(I hope this is not true, because one of my uncles looks, rather disturbingly, quite a bit like Bin Laden. Shorter, and clean-shaved, with a distinct California accent, though.)

192 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 1:59:54pm

re: #121 Shiplord Kirel

Oh, I had almost forgotten about Adam Gadahn. I'll bet he's sweating bullets right now.

God. His poor mother.

193 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:01:17pm

re: #123 imp_62

The Wingnuts aren't even fun to play with anymore. It's like having a dog who fetches the ball, then you throw the ball, then he fetches the ball, throw - fetch - throw ad infinitum. It stops being fun, but the dog can't call it quits - it's how he is wired. And you can't stop throwing the ball, either, cause the dog follows you around with it and keeps dropping it at your feet.

Actually, our late family German shepherd/wolf/other stuff mix didn't care for fetch. If you threw a ball, he would bring it back. Once.

If you threw it again, he would go get it, but this time not bring it back to you, because he could see where this was going...you were just going to throw it again, and this could go on forever.

Wolf mixes are funny dogs.

194 Ericus58  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:01:25pm

re: #186 Ericus58

too quick on the post button....

in other words, the resistance to the surge came totally from the bush administration - to admit that more troops were needed was to admit both that the rumsfeldt doctrine was wrong and that things were no a-ok in iraq

That was true while Rummy was in charge.
But after agreeing to the Surge with Petraeus in charge, then the primary push-back was from the Dem's..... including Obama.

Just sayin'

195 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:02:31pm

re: #188 windsagio

Threat levels can be useful, I think. At least there is some credibility to them.

Now, let's talk about death panels, 'abortion for profit' mills, anxiety levels and political purposes.

196 Ericus58  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:03:05pm

You don't have to keep the upding on me, "E" Dog. All good.
I might have thrown you a curveball by mistake.

197 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:03:16pm

re: #189 windsagio

No, probably not. you could probably party my pants off, and none of us want that.

See what I mean? Totally not my type.

198 sagehen  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:03:57pm

re: #169 makeitstop

I just got back from running some errands and caught the half-hour news report.

For the record: Cops, firefighters and 9/11 families are on the record as saying Obama's trip to NYC today was pitch-perfect according to 1010WINS.

Those are New Yorkers talking, everybody knows they're not Real Americans (tm).

//

199 wrenchwench  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:04:30pm

re: #191 SanFranciscoZionist

with a distinct California accent

No such thing!

/I probably have one then...

200 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:05:20pm

re: #127 lawhawk

Here's the handy dandy list (there is one domestic terrorist, plus Adam Gadahn, on that list though).

I initally read "Fahd Mohammed Ahmed al-Quso" as 'al-Queso'. I was thinking, "Now that Bin Laden is dead, he will be a BIGGER cheese".

201 Daniel Ballard  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:06:11pm

re: #12 Charles

If all it took was more emphasis on the effort to find him, why did it take so long after Obama's swearing in? After all (as Obama himself said) it was only last August that they got zeroed in on his likely hideout. Quite some time after Obama took office. So we see this was a tough thing to accomplish at all. No matter how hard anyone tried.

But all along there were a bunch of guys looking to hit Al Qaeda at every opportunity and strike it's leadership. That still amounts to a huge effort to get him and his terror army all in the same effort.

202 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:06:33pm

re: #148 Slumbering Behemoth

I was too busy partying and getting laid then. What happened?

Peace and prosperity. We've never figured out if it was the peace or the prosperity that upset the wingnuts so much.

203 sagehen  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:06:41pm

re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist

Actually, our late family German shepherd/wolf/other stuff mix didn't care for fetch. If you threw a ball, he would bring it back. Once.

If you threw it again, he would go get it, but this time not bring it back to you, because he could see where this was going...you were just going to throw it again, and this could go on forever.

Wolf mixes are funny dogs.

My college roommate's dog used to play fetch by himself. He'd drop the ball from the top of the stairs, run down to get it, carry it back up....

204 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:06:45pm

re: #199 wrenchwench

No such thing!

/I probably have one then...

Like Dude!

205 AntonSirius  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:17:07pm

re: #123 imp_62

The Wingnuts aren't even fun to play with anymore. It's like having a dog who fetches the ball, then you throw the ball, then he fetches the ball, throw - fetch - throw ad infinitum. It stops being fun, but the dog can't call it quits - it's how he is wired. And you can't stop throwing the ball, either, cause the dog follows you around with it and keeps dropping it at your feet.

That's when you throw the ball off the balcony.*

* This post intended for humorous effect only. Neither the author of this post, nor Charles Johnson, nor the corporate entity Little Green Footballs Inc., either expressly or implicitly, should be considered to condone cruelty to animals or wingnuts. No dogs were harmed in the typing of this joke.

206 AntonSirius  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:24:25pm

re: #180 Shiplord Kirel

Nah, I have 250,000 shotgun slugs for that, and lots of .22 shotshells for the next big rat infestation.

A shotgun? For zombies? You want accurate head shots dude, not spread.

207 allegro  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:30:02pm

re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist

Actually, our late family German shepherd/wolf/other stuff mix didn't care for fetch. If you threw a ball, he would bring it back. Once.

If you threw it again, he would go get it, but this time not bring it back to you, because he could see where this was going...you were just going to throw it again, and this could go on forever.

My new "son" -- some kinda terrier, I think, that looks like a little 13 pound Rottweiler but cuter -- doesn't bring a ball back to me either. He THROWS it at me. Just a little while ago I got a tennis ball upside the head... again. Yesterday it was a sock.

Meet Buddy

208 barry123  Fri, May 6, 2011 3:01:20am

The two critical aspects of US military power -- stealth and cruise missles -- were a product of the Carter Administration. It was Jimmy Carter who canceled the B1 bomber and used some of the funds to modify the B52 to carry cruise missiles.

He also used much of the money to speed up the implementation of stealth including the B2 bomber (which was still top secret when the B1 program was canceled).

How much credit did Ronald Reagan (or any GOOPER whore bag) ever give Jimmy Carter for stealth or cruise missiles. Reagan reactivated WWII destroyers and wanted death rays!


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