GOP Debate Sponsored by Oath Keepers Militia and John Birch Society

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Tonight’s first GOP presidential primary debate in Greenville, South Carolina, (at 9pm ET, live on Fox News) will be brought to you in part by the Oath Keepers militia and the John Birch Society.

It’s all the way out in the open now, folks. The extreme paleo-right wing John Birch Society has been fully mainstreamed by the conservative movement.

Their booth at the debate site:

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388 comments
1 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:20:00pm

I was just looking at Dave Wiegel's pics....
[Link: lockerz.com...]
Lovely folks.

2 Targetpractice  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:20:31pm

Any clues as to who all will actually be in attendance?

3 Obdicut  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:21:40pm

That dude doesn't do much standing for anything, I don't think. Looks like he enjoys being off his feet, maybe having a few hamwitches.

4 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:21:54pm
The extreme paleo-right wing John Birch Society has been fully mainstreamed by the conservative movement.

Which has also lead to the "mainstream conservative movement" being seen increasingly as a bunch of crackpot nut jobs

5 darthstar  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:22:03pm

re: #2 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Any clues as to who all will actually be in attendance?

I'm sure the whole gang will be there.

6 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:22:27pm

re: #2 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Any clues as to who all will actually be in attendance?

Ron Paul and a couple other people who aren't Rom Paul.

7 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:22:29pm

Ah John Birch Society, seeing Commies under every bed since the 1950's.

8 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:23:01pm

re: #2 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Any clues as to who all will actually be in attendance?

Anybody who is anybody... seems to have better things to do tonight.

9 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:23:21pm

The GOP needs to hit rock bottom and admit they have a problem before they can get over their extremist addiction.

10 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:23:42pm

re: #8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Anybody who is anybody... seems to have better things to do tonight.

including me...

11 Targetpractice  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:24:26pm

re: #6 Killgore Trout

Ron Paul and a couple other people who aren't Rom Paul.

Ah, right. Look for the reviews tomorrow to say "Paul 'wins' debate!"

12 darthstar  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:25:35pm

heh...Jane Corwin for congress.
[Link: www.janecorwin.org...]

The image slide show is funny...
"Talking to old people"
"In a lab coat. Wearing goggles."

Jane Corwin, successful daughter of rich people and candidate for New York’s 26th Congressional District, today outlined a comprehensive pandering strategy to say she’ll decrease gas prices because that’s what our polling research said people want to hear.

13 EastSider  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:26:37pm

Okay [generic Republican candidate], as your political advisor, I'd like to remind you that anything you say to win this debate and the Republican nomination will likely disqualify you from winning a national election. So umm....good luck, and, again, I get paid in advance.

14 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:26:55pm

re: #11 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Ah, right. Look for the reviews tomorrow to say "Paul 'wins' debate!"

If Paul debates one other person, Paulians spin it as "Paul comes in 2nd, Opponent next to last"

15 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:29:19pm

I was going to say that I didn't think the Oath Keepers were a militia--but then I realized I was thinking of the Promise Keepers. Who are not a militia, but also aren't sponsoring this event.

16 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:29:39pm

They're most known for their paranoid anti-communism, but the Birch Society also promotes a host of crazy anti-government stuff and conspiracy theories. They're about one degree removed from Alex Jones on the Kook Scale. Just have a look through their website some time. They're also pretty blatantly theocratic, creationist, climate change deniers, etc.

Their revival has been amazing to see. And not in a good way.

17 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:31:27pm

re: #16 Charles

Charles, please take a look at what Napolitano said Monday. Its beyond belief.

18 Targetpractice  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:31:32pm

re: #16 Charles

They're most known for their paranoid anti-communism, but the Birch Society also promotes a host of crazy anti-government stuff and conspiracy theories. They're about one degree removed from Alex Jones on the Kook Scale. Just have a look through their website some time. They're also pretty blatantly theocratic, creationist, climate change deniers, etc.

Their revival has been amazing to see. And not in a good way.

The GOP's so desperate to get back into power, they've not only allowed the crazy uncle out of the attic, they've put him in the driver's seat.

19 Lidane  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:31:43pm

re: #9 windsagio

The GOP needs to hit rock bottom and admit they have a problem before they can get over their extremist addiction.

The only way that might happen is if a full-blown teabagger/wingnut far right loon gets nominated for the 2012 election, only to get curbstomped by Obama.

The Republicans need to have a Mondale-style national humiliation. That's what it finally took before the Dems had their own come-to-Jesus moment and started marginalizing the hippies and moonbats on a party institutional level. That's what it will take before the GOP will finally marginalize the wingnuts and far right loons.

20 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:33:10pm

re: #18 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

They've been letting the crazy uncle out for years on the sly, if just to vote.

The only difference is a few years back he stole the car keys.

21 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:34:06pm

trying to find the JBS membership numbers...can't be more than eleven of them

22 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:35:09pm

re: #21 albusteve

trying to find the JBS membership numbers...can't be more than eleven of them

"Don't look, you might not like what you find!"

23 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:36:19pm

Closest thing the GOP has to create jobs is JBS.

24 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:37:45pm

re: #21 albusteve

trying to find the JBS membership numbers...can't be more than eleven of them

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's a very small group. Until Beck started promoting them most people thought they disappeared long ago. Over the past few years they've been active at the Tea Parties and CPAC so I think it's a sage bet their numbers are growing again.

25 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:38:07pm

Dylan nailed it...
John Birch Society Blues

26 AntonSirius  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:38:30pm

re: #9 windsagio

The GOP needs to hit rock bottom and admit they have a problem before they can get over their extremist addiction.

I can't wait for the GOP's Step 8. I imagine it would go something like this.

27 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:38:36pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's a very small group. Until Beck started promoting them most people thought they disappeared long ago. Over the past few years they've been active at the Tea Parties and CPAC so I think it's a sage bet their numbers are growing again.

My father was very surprised to discover they still existed.

28 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:39:32pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's a very small group. Until Beck started promoting them most people thought they disappeared long ago. Over the past few years they've been active at the Tea Parties and CPAC so I think it's a sage bet their numbers are growing again.

lemme go check under the bed

29 engineer cat  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:39:57pm

history has turned a couple of corners on the gop philosophy and it just won't fly anymore

30 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:40:44pm

at least Hitler was no Commie!

31 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:41:27pm

re: #30 albusteve

at least Hitler was no Commie!

Yeah, but can we be 100% sure he's dead?

32 Lidane  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:41:52pm

re: #27 SanFranciscoZionist

My father was very surprised to discover they still existed.

So was my mom. She couldn't believe they were still around.

33 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:42:26pm

re: #31 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah, but can we be 100% sure he's dead?

later, I'm still counting dead Jews...

34 McSpiff  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:42:56pm

re: #30 albusteve

at least Hitler was no Commie!

National SOCIALIST!

God damn i hate that wingnut talking point. Totally overlooks things like the Night of the Long Knives.

35 Stanghazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:44:00pm

re: #26 AntonSirius

I can't wait for the GOP's Step 8. I imagine it would go something like this.

Omg, reading.

36 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:44:34pm

re: #34 McSpiff

National SOCIALIST!

God damn i hate that wingnut talking point. Totally overlooks things like the Night of the Long Knives.

Debates are so much easier when you ignore contradictory evidence.

37 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:45:02pm

re: #27 SanFranciscoZionist

My father was very surprised to discover they still existed.


I figure they must have some sort of trust to keep them financed while in hibernation. If they had to rely on membership donations they would have folded up 20-30 years ago

38 Four More Beers  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:45:36pm

The John Birch Society: Demanding Standing for family as long as it doesn't include gays and freedom from black folks.

39 makeitstop  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:46:31pm

re: #27 SanFranciscoZionist

My father was very surprised to discover they still existed.

I remember growing up just outside of Philly, there was a jeweler in my home town who was a JBS member. Instead of displaying jewelry in his shop window, he had a big sign that said "U.S. out of the UN!" and pamphlets and books.

40 Lidane  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:46:36pm

re: #34 McSpiff

National SOCIALIST!

God damn i hate that wingnut talking point. Totally overlooks things like the Night of the Long Knives.

I blame the Doughy Pantload. His idiocy about "liberal fascism" is the basis for that garbage.

41 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:46:37pm

[Link: www.jbs.org...]

interesting...I wonder what Birch would say today about the club

42 BongCrodny  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:47:26pm

re: #9 windsagio

The GOP needs to hit rock bottom and admit they have a problem before they can get over their extremist addiction.


The problem is that every time they reach the bottom they find a whole new vein of batshit insanity.

43 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:47:29pm

re: #37 Killgore Trout

I figure they must have some sort of trust to keep them financed while in hibernation. If they had to rely on membership donations they would have folded up 20-30 years ago

neo Nazis?
probably, bigtime

44 engineer cat  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:47:59pm

re: #34 McSpiff

National SOCIALIST!

God damn i hate that wingnut talking point. Totally overlooks things like the Night of the Long Knives.

if anybody should care to know in excruciating detail exactly how not socialist the third reich was, they can read The Third Reich In Power, by Richard Evans

45 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:48:42pm

re: #44 engineer dog

if anybody should care to know in excruciating detail exactly how not socialist the third reich was, they can read The Third Reich In Power, by Richard Evans

I was unaware of any debate

46 AntonSirius  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:48:57pm

re: #35 Stanley Sea

Omg, reading.

I know. It's horrific, yet somehow a bit comforting that on occasion the stupid wins out over the evil.

47 McSpiff  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:49:17pm

re: #44 engineer dog

if anybody should care to know in excruciating detail exactly how not socialist the third reich was, they can read The Third Reich In Power, by Richard Evans

Why read when you can rant?

48 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:49:45pm

re: #46 AntonSirius

I know. It's horrific, yet somehow a bit comforting that on occasion the stupid wins out over the evil.

Except the guy only ended up serving 6 months of a 10 years sentence.

49 ElCapitanAmerica  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:50:25pm

This is hilarious, poor Ahmadinejad is getting in trouble with the clerics and apparently hanging out with Jaffar and a blue Robin Williams!


Guardian : Ahmadinejad allies charged with sorcery

Several people said to be close to the president and his chief of staff, Esfandiar Rahim Mashaei, have been arrested in recent days and charged with being "magicians" and invoking djinns (spirits).

Ayandeh, an Iranian news website, described one of the arrested men, Abbas Ghaffari, as "a man with special skills in metaphysics and connections with the unknown worlds".


....

Ahmadinejad's unprecedented disobedience prompted harsh criticism from conservatives who warned that he might face the fate of Abdulhassan Banisadr, Iran's first post-revolution president who was impeached and exiled for allegedly attempting to undermine clerical power.

Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi, a hardline cleric close to Khamenei, warned that disobeying the supreme leader – who has the ultimate power in Iran – is equivalent to "apostasy from God".

50 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:50:36pm

re: #47 McSpiff

Why read when you can rant?

Richard Evans is a FRAUD!

51 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:50:58pm

The American Nazi Party had its headquarters not too far from where my Dad grew up. In fact, I've on numerous occasions seen the shopping mall where he was killed.

52 AntonSirius  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:51:39pm

re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Except the guy only ended up serving 6 months of a 10 years sentence.

That's why it's only a bit comforting. '6 months and a criminal record as a rapist' is at least a slight improvement over 'got away with it clean'.

53 Gus  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:52:34pm

Too funny. It never ceases to amaze me to see what's happened with the Republican Party. It's finally converged with some of the more extreme elements of the right. All of course having begun with the Tea Party movements of 2009.

Reminds me of Conn Carroll when he debated Charles. What John Birch Society?

54 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:52:59pm

re: #52 AntonSirius

That's why it's only a bit comforting. '6 months and a criminal record as a rapist' is at least a slight improvement over 'got away with it clean'.

Should have involved a pair of scissors and a cellmate who thinks fist is a verb.

I really dislike rapists.

55 Four More Beers  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:53:50pm

re: #53 Gus 802

Too funny. It never ceases to amaze me to see what's happened with the Republican Party. It's finally converged with some of the more extreme elements of the right. All of course having begun with the Tea Party movements of 2009.

Reminds me of Conn Carroll when he debated Charles. What John Birch Society?

I'm shocked, SHOCKED I say that Fox News is carrying this tonight! Have they no shame??!!
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56 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:54:21pm

re: #43 albusteve

neo Nazis?
probably, bigtime

No, The early JBS guys were millionaires like Koch's father and a few people from the Mormon church. I assume when the founded the JBS they set up some sort of trust fund to keep it going. They had plenty of money.

57 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:54:52pm
The John Birch Society: Standing For Family and Freedom*

*only if you are a white, heterosexual male born in the US

58 wrenchwench  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:54:57pm

As a New Mexican, I feel it is my duty to point out that Gary Johnson hangs out with Birchers and OathKeepers.

59 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:55:19pm

re: #57 talon_262

*only if you are a white, heterosexual male born in the US

and a property owner.

60 Gus  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:55:53pm

re: #59 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

and a property owner.

And a Protestant.

61 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:55:59pm

re: #58 wrenchwench

As a New Mexican, I feel it is my duty to point out that Gary Johnson hangs out with Birchers and OathKeepers.

Appreciated the heads up on him.

62 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:56:16pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

No, The early JBS guys were millionaires like Koch's father and a few people from the Mormon church. I assume when the founded the JBS they set up some sort of trust fund to keep it going. They had plenty of money.

I was trying to find their membership numbers to extrapolate how rich they are today, or something close....but if they have big money it could be coming from anywhere and easily hidden

63 McSpiff  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:56:18pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

No, The early JBS guys were millionaires like Koch's father and a few people from the Mormon church. I assume when the founded the JBS they set up some sort of trust fund to keep it going. They had plenty of money.

Makes sense, beyond publishing costs and the occasionally event like this they shouldn't have any serious ongoing expenses. Few million in trust, live off the interest when times are lean, reinvest it when you have the dues to make up any shortfalls.

64 Gus  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:57:39pm

re: #1 Killgore Trout

I was just looking at Dave Wiegel's pics...
[Link: lockerz.com...]
Lovely folks.

The party of Lincoln!

//

65 engineer cat  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:58:54pm

re: #60 Gus 802

And a Protestant.

As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes" When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.

abraham lincoln

66 wrenchwench  Thu, May 5, 2011 2:59:36pm

re: #61 HappyWarrior

Appreciated the heads up on him.

He seems like such a nice guy...

He's trouble. Spread the word.

67 darthstar  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:00:02pm

re: #60 Gus 802


The John Birch Society: Standing For Family and Freedom*
*only if you are a white, heterosexual male born in the US
and a property owner.
And a Protestant.

Fuck.

68 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:00:20pm

The thing that sticks with me about hte Birchers is they thought Eisenhower was part of the Communist conspiracy. Needs repeating but Ike's problem wasn't the left, it was the right who thought he wasn't hard enough.

69 darthstar  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:00:49pm

re: #66 wrenchwench

He seems like such a nice guy...

That's what bin Laden's neighbors said...kept to himself...didn't really get involved in community activities...

70 Gus  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:00:51pm

re: #67 darthstar

Fuck.

Simpler just to say WASP.

71 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:01:24pm

re: #70 Gus 802

Simpler just to say WASP.

I'm allergic.

72 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:01:50pm

Check out the debaters tonight - starts at 9pm ET:

Debate participants include Atlanta businessman Herman Cain, former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson, Texas Rep. Ron Paul, former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santoum.

Whack jobs, one and all.

73 Gus  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:02:55pm

re: #72 Charles

Check out the debaters tonight - starts at 9pm ET:

Whack jobs, one and all.

Is Pawlenty going to use his GWB voice or his real voice tonight?

74 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:03:04pm

How sad is it that Pawlenty is the most reasonable looking candidate of that group?

75 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:03:30pm

Sorry, that's 9pm ET.

76 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:03:33pm

re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Except the guy only ended up serving 6 months of a 10 years sentence.

Yeah. A remarkable story, though.

College responses to campus rapes often suck, even these days. I kind of wish they'd tracked down the guy who told her the cops didn't have jurisdiction and put him on trial.

77 wrenchwench  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:04:07pm

re: #72 Charles

Check out the debaters tonight - starts at 9pm ET:

Debate participants include Atlanta businessman Herman Cain, former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson, Texas Rep. Ron Paul, former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santoum.


Whack jobs, one and all.

Yep. As I was saying....

78 Targetpractice  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:05:12pm

re: #72 Charles

Check out the debaters tonight - starts at 9pm ET:

Whack jobs, one and all.

Damn, now I'm conflicted, do I go see comedians live at the local comedy club or watch them live on TV.

79 McSpiff  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:06:06pm

re: #76 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. A remarkable story, though.

College responses to campus rapes often suck, even these days. I kind of wish they'd tracked down the guy who told her the cops didn't have jurisdiction and put him on trial.

College responses to crime on campus tends to be exceptionally poor in general in my experience, but sex crimes tend to stand out as one of the most hush-hushed.

80 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:06:48pm

Dear GOP,

If you want the JBS vote, then you clearly don't want mine. Easy enough for me to oblige.

Peace out, bitches.

Sincerely
SB

81 darthstar  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:07:11pm

re: #72 Charles

Check out the debaters tonight - starts at 9pm ET:

Whack jobs, one and all.

Go Frothy Mixture! (I'd cry too if I was forced to wear that outfit and carry my doll on stage.)

82 Targetpractice  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:07:45pm

re: #80 Slumbering Behemoth

Dear GOP,

If you want the JBS vote, then you clearly don't want mine. Easy enough for me to oblige.

Peace out, bitches.

Sincerely
SB

The Republican Party: Snatching Defeat From The Jaws of Victory.

83 Gus  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:07:58pm

They're almost starting to make Alan Keyes look normal.

//

84 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:10:20pm

re: #81 darthstar

Go Frothy Mixture! (I'd cry too if I was forced to wear that outfit and carry my doll on stage.)

leave the guy's family out of it....you are really mining the bottom there

85 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:10:29pm

Perhaps it should be a law that all college dorms have posted in them, conspicuously, a sign saying "This dorm falls under the jurisdiction of ____ town/township/county. To report a crime, call ###-####"

It really should.

I'm surprised that Freshmen girls don't have orientations where they are told never to drink something handed to them.

86 Four More Beers  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:10:51pm

Another glaring example of if you want the GOP to care about you, remain a fetus.

[Link: www.chron.com...]

87 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:11:08pm

I now have a Thursday evening buzz on (Prosecco) and am ready to face whatever.
I posted this in the previous thread before I noticed we were already deep into the next one. Maybe it is a bit more than a "buzz"...

88 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:12:40pm

re: #85 EmmmieG

Perhaps it should be a law that all college dorms have posted in them, conspicuously, a sign saying "This dorm falls under the jurisdiction of ___ town/township/county. To report a crime, call ###-###"

It really should.

I'm surprised that Freshmen girls don't have orientations where they are told never to drink something handed to them.

I am pretty sure most colleges give very specific instruction and guidance to students about safety and crime. My daughter's school sends periodic updates, has a text message alert system, and prominently posts security and safety info.

89 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:12:43pm

re: #81 darthstar

Go Frothy Mixture! (I'd cry too if I was forced to wear that outfit and carry my doll on stage.)

The little girl always gets the attention in that photo, but what always catches my eye is the horrorstruck expression of her brother. He looks as though he's spotted something distinctly Lovecraftian coming into the hall.

90 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:12:44pm

re: #86 Kid A

Another glaring example of if you want the GOP to care about you, remain a fetus.

[Link: www.chron.com...]

Honest, I'd have more respect if they just tried to ban abortion outright rather than these passive aggressive moves designed to make women feel like hell.

91 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:12:56pm

re: #85 EmmmieG

I'm surprised that Freshmen girls don't have orientations where they are told never to drink something handed to them.

Hell, I'm not a girl and I don't drink anything handed to me.

92 darthstar  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:13:13pm

re: #84 albusteve

leave the guy's family out of it...you are really mining the bottom there

Oh, that picture's a classic...stop being such a stick up the butt...she's a teenage hotty by now, I'm sure...probably enjoying the studs on the football team like any other good god-fearing American girl should be.

93 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:13:43pm

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

The little girl always gets the attention in that photo, but what always catches my eye is the horrorstruck expression of her brother. He looks as though he's spotted something distinctly Lovecraftian coming into the hall.

"Do you hear the dread piping?"

94 darthstar  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:14:20pm

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

The little girl always gets the attention in that photo, but what always catches my eye is the horrorstruck expression of her brother. He looks as though he's spotted something distinctly Lovecraftian coming into the hall.

He's just a deer in headlights who doesn't understand that his dad's a grifter and they'll be fine financially. "Oh shit! Dad just lost his job! I'm not getting the new Nintendo!"

95 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:14:22pm

re: #92 darthstar

Oh, that picture's a classic...stop being such a stick up the butt...she's a teenage hotty by now, I'm sure...probably enjoying the studs on the football team like any other good god-fearing American girl should be.

a stick up the butt?...I'll remember that amigo

96 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:14:35pm

re: #91 Slumbering Behemoth

Hell, I'm not a girl and I don't drink anything handed to me.

Which explains why you still have 2 kidneys.
/

97 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:14:40pm

re: #91 Slumbering Behemoth

Hell, I'm not a girl and I don't drink anything handed to me.

Does it have to be left in the middle of the room while the barkeep backs slowly away?

98 Four More Beers  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:14:51pm

re: #83 Gus 802

They're almost starting to make Alan Keyes look normal.

//

Individual freedom!
//

99 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:14:56pm

What's sad about Rick Santorum is he has to resort to gay bashing to get press. Really, it's sad that his way of pandering for votes is saying he wants to limit the freedoms of people. Lovely message, assclown.

100 darthstar  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:15:11pm

re: #91 Slumbering Behemoth

Hell, I'm not a girl and I don't drink anything handed to me.

Neither do I, unless I'm at a concert.

101 ElCapitanAmerica  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:15:28pm

re: #92 darthstar

It's not in good taste.

Perhaps more importantly, not original nor funny anymore.

102 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:15:53pm

re: #99 HappyWarrior

What's sad about Rick Santorum is he has to resort to gay bashing to get press. Really, it's sad that his way of pandering for votes is saying he wants to limit the freedoms of people. Lovely message, assclown.

He doesn't "resort" to it. He revels in it. Santorum is a true, dyed-in-the-wool homophobe.

103 zora  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:15:56pm

re: #62 albusteve

I was trying to find their membership numbers to extrapolate how rich they are today, or something close...but if they have big money it could be coming from anywhere and easily hidden

if i'm not mistaken the father of the koch brother was one of the founders.

104 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:16:02pm

I'll drink things that are handed to me in a synagogue...on the assumption that if I black out, some nice Russian lady will roll me into a corner and put coats on me.

105 Gus  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:16:08pm

I better get back to my "projects". Later.

106 darthstar  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:16:09pm

re: #95 albusteve

a stick up the butt?...I'll remember that amigo

Oh, dear. That's fine...keep being my moral compass...you're doing a great job of it...stick retracted from sphincter.

107 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:16:52pm

re: #105 Gus 802

I better get back to my "projects". Later.

You're always working. Boring.

108 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:16:53pm

re: #103 zora

if i'm not mistaken the father of the koch brother was one of the founders.

well that says alot...thanks

109 Four More Beers  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:16:58pm

re: #99 HappyWarrior

What's sad about Rick Santorum is he has to resort to gay bashing to get press. Really, it's sad that his way of pandering for votes is saying he wants to limit the freedoms of people. Lovely message, assclown.

Santorum might want to leave those dastardly gays alone. Look what happens when you google his name...

[Link: www.spreadingsantorum.com...]

110 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:17:18pm

re: #100 darthstar

Neither do I, unless I'm at a concert.

Actually, I stopped a friend of mine from taking a drink from a stranger at a concert. My buddy was pretty stout and muscular. I didn't want to have to carry his big ass out of there if he got ruffied.

111 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:17:39pm

re: #104 SanFranciscoZionist

I'll drink things that are handed to me in a synagogue...on the assumption that if I black out, some nice Russian lady will roll me into a corner and put coats on me.

Stay away from the schnapps. And if you pass out into the herring, I will be pissed.

112 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:17:47pm

re: #109 Kid A

Santorum might want to leave those dastardly gays alone. Look what happens when you google his name...

[Link: www.spreadingsantorum.com...]

Yeah, I heard about that from some friends hahahaha. I don't think he has a shot at being the nominee honestly but I guess nothing would shock me.

113 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:17:58pm

re: #109 Kid A

Santorum might want to leave those dastardly gays alone. Look what happens when you google his name...

[Link: www.spreadingsantorum.com...]

Apparently his campaign people do acknowledge that he has 'a Google problem'.

Don't fuck with Dan Savage. That's all I can say about that.

114 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:17:59pm

Orly Taitz: Long Form forgery is a "psychological Kristallnacht" to intimidate Birthers

Taitz called the document "very inventive computer art" in the hearing on Monday and said that "analysis shows that it is not a true and correct image of an original birth certificate." She added that the image "possibly even, somehow, influenced the courts."

The three-judge panel did not ask a single question during Taitz's argument, which ranged from doubts about Obama's social security number to intimations that the president had created a "psychological Kristallnacht" to intimidate those who would challenge his citizenship.

115 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:18:08pm

re: #106 darthstar

Oh, dear. That's fine...keep being my moral compass...you're doing a great job of it...stick retracted from sphincter.

you don't need a moral compass, just better manners

116 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:18:49pm

re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Orly Taitz: Long Form forgery is a "psychological Kristallnacht" to intimidate Birthers

Or, it is the truth. Or, Psychological Kristallnacht. Whatever works.

Morons.

117 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:18:50pm

re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Orly Taitz: Long Form forgery is a "psychological Kristallnacht" to intimidate Birthers

yay I had been waiting to hear from her. "psychological kristallnacht" does that make any logical sense?

118 Four More Beers  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:18:51pm

Whoa! My karma just passed 1,400! Thanks, lizards!

119 darthstar  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:19:05pm

re: #101 ElCapitanAmerica

It's not in good taste.

Oh, hell...if I had to limit myself to only what I say "in good taste" I'd never say anything...the internet used to be such a fun place before Obama became president and we all had to start watching what we said.

120 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:19:19pm

re: #109 Kid A

No thanks, I'll pass. Santorum is repugnant enough on his own. I just can't get on board with the whole "frothy mixture" meme.

121 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:19:40pm

re: #117 HappyWarrior

yay I had been waiting to hear from her. "psychological kristallnacht" does that make any logical sense?

As much sense as anything else she says.

122 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:19:50pm

Stupid US courts letting official legal documents influence their decisions.

123 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:20:48pm

re: #121 imp_62

As much sense as anything else she says.

Heh true. Her and Pam man, that's a hell lot of crazy.

124 ElCapitanAmerica  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:20:49pm

re: #119 darthstar

Oh, hell...if I had to limit myself to only what I say "in good taste" I'd never say anything...the internet used to be such a fun place before Obama became president and we all had to start watching what we said.

It's ok, santorum jokes are still ok even if they're not in "good taste".

125 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:20:55pm

re: #121 imp_62

As much sense as anything else she says.

How can you now take Oily Taints seriously?

126 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:20:55pm

re: #122 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Stupid US courts letting official legal documents influence their decisions.

Don't worry, Krag. That'll all change once Daniels is Prez.

127 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:21:35pm

re: #125 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How can you now take Oily Taints seriously?

Why do you plant these images in my head? Don't I have enough problems?

128 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:21:51pm

re: #107 imp_62

You're always working. Boring.

Always working = always eating.

129 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:22:01pm
130 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:22:12pm

re: #127 imp_62

Why do you plant these images in my head? Don't I have enough problems?

THE DAY IS MINE!

131 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:22:22pm

re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I wish there were some kind of moratorium on using nazi/holocaust terminology or imagery for anything but the nazis/holocaust. It's terribly unseemly and offensive.

132 McSpiff  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:22:48pm

re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist

WOWWW.

On so many levels.

She just godwined birtherism.

133 darthstar  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:23:36pm

re: #115 albusteve

you don't need a moral compass, just better manners

I have great manners...even set my fork down between bites...open doors for people of both genders...say please and thank you...and mock the fuck out of people like Santorum mercilessly. I wasn't insulting his little girl. And if she isn't laughing about that picture by now, she should be. It's pretty goddamn funny.

134 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:23:58pm

re: #128 EmmmieG

Always working = always eating.

Didn't realize Gus was Takeru Kobayashi IRL

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

135 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:24:11pm

re: #131 Slumbering Behemoth

I wish there were some kind of moratorium on using nazi/holocaust terminology or imagery for anything but the nazis/holocaust. It's terribly unseemly and offensive.

I do too. I hate it when both sides do it.

136 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:25:29pm

re: #131 Slumbering Behemoth

I wish there were some kind of moratorium on using nazi/holocaust terminology or imagery for anything but the nazis/holocaust. It's terribly unseemly and offensive.

Oh, so now you want to be the fre speech Gestapo?
//
Godwin'd godwin

137 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:25:44pm

This is a sad state of affairs: Rom Paul is the GOP's most viable candidate.
CNN Poll: Still no front-runner in the battle for the GOP nomination

According to the poll, taken before the announcement of Osama bin Laden's death, President Barack Obama has an edge over all the top GOP candidates in hypothetical match-ups.

Who does best against Obama? Paul. The congressman from Texas, who also ran as a libertarian candidate for president in 1988 and who is well liked by many in the tea party movement, trails the president by only seven points (52 to 45 percent) in a hypothetical general election showdown. Huckabee trails by eight points, with Romney down 11 points to Obama.

138 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:26:50pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

This is a sad state of affairs: Rom Paul is the GOP's most viable candidate.
CNN Poll: Still no front-runner in the battle for the GOP nomination

It's a sad state of affairs but it is hella amusing if you like to watch debates.

139 darthstar  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:27:14pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

This is a sad state of affairs: Rom Paul is the GOP's most viable candidate.
CNN Poll: Still no front-runner in the battle for the GOP nomination

Yes there is.

140 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:27:28pm

re: #136 imp_62

Oh, so now you want to be the fre speech Gestapo?
//
Godwin'd godwin

I'd expect a statement like that from Goebbels.

/HE WENT FOR THE TRIPLE!

141 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:27:55pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

They're gonna hafta wander in the wilderness for a time, I'm afraid. Serves 'em right.

142 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:28:07pm

re: #140 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'd expect a statement like that from Goebbels.

/HE WENT FOR THE TRIPLE!

Ve haf Vays to Make Yoo Shtopp Speaking
/
Home run

143 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:28:22pm
144 zora  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:28:30pm

ot: if you haven't heard, trumps not driving the indy 500 pace car. says it was his decision. ha!

[Link: www.indystar.com...]

145 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:28:36pm

Da-yumm I am funny when I drink!

146 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:29:04pm

re: #143 Charles

Nice doggie.

How awesome is that! Source?

147 darthstar  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:29:15pm

re: #143 Charles

Nice doggie.

The cat said this would be easy...

148 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:29:35pm

Oath Keepers are creepy like nothing else, ewww

149 darthstar  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:30:01pm

re: #144 zora

ot: if you haven't heard, trumps not driving the indy 500 pace car. says it was his decision. ha!

[Link: www.indystar.com...]

Well, it is a convertible...wind is his enemy.

150 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:30:14pm

Did the doggy get a doggy treat? I certainly hope so.

151 researchok  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:30:18pm

re: #148 WindUpBird

Oath Keepers are creepy like nothing else, ewww

They are pretty put there.

Asa in way out there.

152 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:30:19pm

re: #148 WindUpBird

Oath Keepers are creepy like nothing else, ewww

This will help with the sting:

Image: CryptKeeper.jpg

153 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:31:16pm

re: #146 imp_62

How awesome is that! Source?

Last thread, look for War Dogs. They got a sky diving one too.

154 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:31:45pm

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

The little girl always gets the attention in that photo, but what always catches my eye is the horrorstruck expression of her brother. He looks as though he's spotted something distinctly Lovecraftian coming into the hall.

YESYESYES ahahahahahah

Man that photo is Internet gold


(if you guys saw a white supremacist lose an election, and his family each had looks of horror and misery etched on their forlorn faces at the concession speech, you'd laugh too! hahahah)

155 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:32:15pm

re: #151 researchok

They are pretty put there.

Asa in way out there.

What is with the word "keeper"? They love that word

156 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:32:18pm

re: #153 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Last thread, look for War Dogs. They got a sky diving one too.

I mean, I have heard of letting slip the hounds of war, but this... is ridiculous.

157 Lidane  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:32:47pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

This is a sad state of affairs: Rom Paul is the GOP's most viable candidate.
CNN Poll: Still no front-runner in the battle for the GOP nomination

Hahahahaha...that's just pathetic.

Ron Paul might poll that well in hypothetical online matchups, but he couldn't even get out of single digits when he actually ran in 2008, IIRC. If he's the best they've got right now, the GOP are fucked.

158 simoom  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:33:03pm

US Yemen Drone Strike:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

The U.S. military used a drone to strike Thursday at an al-Qaeda target in Yemen, the first such U.S. attack using unmanned aircraft in that country since 2002, according to U.S. and Yemeni officials.

Two al-Qaeda operatives were killed in the attack in the remote, mountainous Yemeni governorate of Shabwa early Thursday, a Yemeni security official said.

...

U.S. officials said the strike was not related to intelligence gathered since Sunday’s raid on Osama bin Laden’s compound in Pakistan.

Though, on the subject of that intel:
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

The trove of evidence U.S. Navy SEALs recovered during their raid of Bin Laden's compound, which cost the al Qaeda leader his life, shows that al Qaeda remained fixated on so-called soft targets like transportation.

...

A new bulletin issued tonight by the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security and obtained by ABC News describes the terror organization's chilling desire to derail a train.

"As of February 2010, al-Qa'ida was allegedly contemplating conducting an operation against trains at an unspecified location in the United States on the 10th anniversary of September 11, 2001," the document reads, using an alternate spelling for bin Laden's terror group. "As one option, al-Qa'ida was looking into trying to tip a train by tampering with the rails so that the train would fall off the track at either a valley or a bridge."

In a statement, DHS press secretary Matt Chandler stressed that the message it sent out to its rail partners about a potential al Qaeda plot was "based on initial reporting, which is often misleading and inaccurate and subject to change. We remain at a heightened state of vigilance, but do not intend to issue [a National Terrorism Advisory System] alert at this time." Chandler said the Transportation Security Administration would also send a bulletin to its rail sector stakeholders.

"We have no information of any imminent terrorist threat to the U.S. rail sector, but wanted to make our partners aware of the alleged plotting," said Chandler.

159 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:33:48pm

re: #156 imp_62

I mean, I have heard of letting slip the hounds of war, but this... is ridiculous.

At least 1 Military Dog was used on the Bin Laden raid.

160 researchok  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:33:49pm

re: #155 WindUpBird

What is with the word "keeper"? They love that word

Keeper, sleeper, freeper, Teaper. peeper....all the same.

161 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:35:33pm

re: #143 Charles

I found a nice one for the next evolution thread.

162 Lidane  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:35:37pm
163 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:36:05pm

re: #158 simoom

Thanks, nice post. I also think it is worthwhile to consider that the entire operation to get OBL was much more significant a an intelligence gathering event. As a single individual, OBL was a high value target with; but terrorism probably won't stop because he is dead. The hard drives and disks, on the other hand, might save lives.

164 Targetpractice  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:36:06pm

re: #157 Lidane

Hahahahaha...that's just pathetic.

Ron Paul might poll that well in hypothetical online matchups, but he couldn't even get out of single digits when he actually ran in 2008, IIRC. If he's the best they've got right now, the GOP are fucked.

The GOP seems to be following the "Anybody But Obama" method of running, namely finding a candidate whose greatest appeal is he's "Not Obama," and then hoping that things nationally stay the same or get worse before Election Day.

165 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:36:31pm

re: #146 imp_62

How awesome is that! Source?

It's a DoD picture - found it here:

[Link: www.foreignpolicy.com...]

166 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:36:53pm

re: #165 Charles

Thanks

167 blueraven  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:37:09pm

re: #92 darthstar

Oh, that picture's a classic...stop being such a stick up the butt...she's a teenage hotty by now, I'm sure...probably enjoying the studs on the football team like any other good god-fearing American girl should be.

Really? This is not the first time you have made some pretty offensive statements about females. The Condi nickname, the other day...I know you apologized, but maybe you should think before you post.

168 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:38:53pm
169 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:39:05pm

Image: 110504_110504_wardogs2BB.jpg

A U.S. Navy SEAL, Mike Forsythe, and his dog, Cara -- pictured above -- recently broke the world record for "highest man/dog parachute deployment" by jumping from 30,100 feet.

170 zora  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:39:32pm

re: #157 Lidane

fox didn't even let him participate in the last debates, iirc.

171 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:40:42pm

re: #169 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Seems like a natural fit, what with the way they love to stick their heads out of moving cars and all.

172 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:40:45pm

re: #169 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Image: 110504_110504_wardogs2BB.jpg

A U.S. Navy SEAL, Mike Forsythe, and his dog, Cara -- pictured above -- recently broke the world record for "highest man/dog parachute deployment" by jumping from 30,100 feet.

Hmm. All I could think of is that Forsythe probably needed a new jumpsuit by the time the dog was done evacuating on the way down. (Note to self: strap dog to back next time).

173 Targetpractice  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:40:56pm

re: #168 Dreggas

ROFL

Image: demotivational-posters-campers.jpg

Ain't that the truth.

174 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:41:19pm

re: #157 Lidane

Hahahahaha...that's just pathetic.

Ron Paul might poll that well in hypothetical online matchups, but he couldn't even get out of single digits when he actually ran in 2008, IIRC. If he's the best they've got right now, the GOP are fucked.

I'm pretty sure that's a real world poll and not something online for the paulians to spam.

175 Kronocide  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:41:26pm

Obama Playing Videogames in the Situation Room

Obama, the ineffective girly man, constant campaigner, or the sinister socialist agenda driven dictator?

Or... just screwing off?

176 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:42:35pm

re: #158 simoom

US Yemen Drone Strike:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Though, on the subject of that intel:
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Nice!

177 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:42:39pm
178 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:42:53pm

re: #175 BigPapa

Come to think of it, he does sort of have the look of an intense gamer in that pic.

179 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:43:12pm

Now I'm wishing that the dog had gotten the confirmed kill for Bin Laden.

180 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:44:11pm

re: #92 darthstar

Rick Santorum is certainly worthy of derision and snark, but please leave the family out of it. Saying nasty/tacky/snarky stuff about family is just dirty pool, whether it's the Santorums, the Obamas, the Bushes, the Clintons, or any family of a politician; if they're not directly and actively involved in politics, I figure it should be "hands off".

181 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:45:28pm

re: #169 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Image: 110504_110504_wardogs2BB.jpg

A U.S. Navy SEAL, Mike Forsythe, and his dog, Cara -- pictured above -- recently broke the world record for "highest man/dog parachute deployment" by jumping from 30,100 feet.

Now, I notice that the dog in the first picture seems to be jumping independently, not strapped to her handler. How do you teach a dog to deploy a parachute?

182 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:46:04pm

re: #172 imp_62

Hmm. All I could think of is that Forsythe probably needed a new jumpsuit by the time the dog was done evacuating on the way down. (Note to self: strap dog to back next time).

Dogs will adapt to the damnest things.

183 Lidane  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:46:14pm

re: #179 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Now I'm wishing that the dog had gotten the confirmed kill for Bin Laden.

As cool as that would be, you know that immediately after that there'd be a run of people trying to adopt the same breed of dog, only to have those dogs wind up in shelters because they're too much for a family to handle. =/

184 McSpiff  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:46:34pm

re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist

Now, I notice that the dog in the first picture seems to be jumping independently, not strapped to her handler. How do you teach a dog to deploy a parachute?

Id assume a static line, same way you can drop any cargo

185 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:46:43pm

re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist

Now, I notice that the dog in the first picture seems to be jumping independently, not strapped to her handler. How do you teach a dog to deploy a parachute?

Look more closely, they're jumping into the water.

186 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:46:54pm

re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist

How do you teach a dog to deploy a parachute?

Show him the number of cats that couldn't?

187 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:47:11pm

re: #180 talon_262

Rick Santorum is certainly worthy of derision and snark, but please leave the family out of it. Saying nasty/tacky/snarky stuff about family is just dirty pool, whether it's the Santorums, the Obamas, the Bushes, the Clintons, or any family of a politician; if they're not directly and actively involved in politics, I figure it should be "hands off".

I have nothing against Santorum's kids. I do think that is a completely hilarious picture. There's a Series of Unfortunate Events quality about it.

188 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:47:35pm

re: #186 Slumbering Behemoth

Show him the number of cats that couldn't?

Yeah, but the cat's get 8 more tries a piece to get it right.

189 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:47:55pm

re: #185 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Look more closely, they're jumping into the water.

Oh, well, dogs can do that. Dogs will do that independently.

190 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:48:22pm

re: #188 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah, but the cat's get 8 more tries a piece to get it right.

Which makes their failure all the more sad.

191 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:50:02pm

I am a big fan of the dog competition event called "Big Air Dog". Basically, the dog charges down a short pier and makes a flying leap into the water.

This strikes me as far more fun to get your dog ready for than Crufts.

192 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:50:16pm

re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist

WOWWW.

On so many levels.

It's long-form nirth certificates all the way down!!!!11ty

///

193 BishopX  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:50:24pm

re: #189 SanFranciscoZionist

And this is how a Corgi does it:

194 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:50:41pm

re: #169 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Image: 110504_110504_wardogs2BB.jpg

A U.S. Navy SEAL, Mike Forsythe, and his dog, Cara -- pictured above -- recently broke the world record for "highest man/dog parachute deployment" by jumping from 30,100 feet.

Phony picture... you can see the cable holding them up... geeessshhh at least use Photoshop or something.

195 engineer cat  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:51:02pm

re: #179 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Now I'm wishing that the dog had gotten the confirmed kill for Bin Laden.

i've said all along that the problem with the country is that it is run by humans

196 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:52:59pm

re: #193 BishopX

And this is how a Corgi does it:

[Video]

Yeah. That's pretty much me, right there.

197 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:53:54pm

A U.S. Navy Seals' Secret Weapon: Elite Dog Team

the U.S. Navy last year awarded an $86,000 contract to Canadian firm K9 Storm Incorporated for the supply of protective gear for dogs.

On its website, K9 Storm mentions that the assault vest "defeats a combination of ballistic and ice pick threats." The "aerial insertion vest" is also said to be able to withstand damage from single and double-edged knives. Protection against shrapnel and gunfire may also be provided.

Page additionally wrote that U.S. Navy SEAL special forces dogs have been equipped with "infrared nightsight cameras and an intruder communication system able to penetrate concrete walls." Such a system would have been useful during Monday's raid in Pakistan, based on the description of bin Laden's compound.

Like their human colleagues, the Navy SEAL dogs may also be equipped with a self-inflating lifejacket in their assault and aerial vests, in the event that the dogs wind up in water. The weight of their gear could otherwise pull them downward but, like canine 007's, these dogs appear ready to handle almost any threat that comes their way.

198 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:54:29pm

re: #189 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, well, dogs can do that. Dogs will do that independently.

a friend of mine had black labs...he would toss a rock off the dock in 6ft of water and they would all charge off into the water, dive and retrieve it, then climb the ladder a few steps back up...til they were exhausted

199 darthstar  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:55:29pm

Jesus...I see that implying a girl has grown up to be a healthy sexually active teenager is a bridge too far. Given her father's sexual hang-ups and obsession--we are talking about Rick Santorum here--I suppose one could interpret that as an attack on the little girl (though I didn't intend it as that). Still, the scars of Sarah Palin's publicly celebrated victimhood run deep, and people are still especially offended by anything perceived as bordering on insensitive toward the children of politicians, so I will defer to your collective admonishment and shut the fuck up about this...for now.

k?

200 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:56:09pm

re: #197 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

CANADIA! FUCK YEAH!

201 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:56:40pm

re: #198 albusteve

a friend of mine had black labs...he would toss a rock off the dock in 6ft of water and they would all charge off into the water, dive and retrieve it, then climb the ladder a few steps back up...til they were exhausted

Labs are bred for that sort of thing. They adore it. Life, in a lab's mind, is all about getting into water and retrieving something.

202 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:56:49pm

re: #199 darthstar

Jesus...I see that implying a girl has grown up to be a healthy sexually active teenager is a bridge too far. Given her father's sexual hang-ups and obsession--we are talking about Rick Santorum here--I suppose one could interpret that as an attack on the little girl (though I didn't intend it as that). Still, the scars of Sarah Palin's publicly celebrated victimhood run deep, and people are still especially offended by anything perceived as bordering on insensitive toward the children of politicians, so I will defer to your collective admonishment and shut the fuck up about this...for now.

k?

you don't know what she is now....you just assume to suit yourself

203 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:57:22pm

re: #199 darthstar

Adults speculating about the sexual activity of a teenage girl is, yes, kind of creepy. Especially since we know nothing about her.

204 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:57:45pm

re: #199 darthstar

Meh, big whoop. Just leave the kids out of it, and stick to the actual politicians. It's not that hard, really.

205 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:57:51pm

re: #199 darthstar

Jesus...I see that implying a girl has grown up to be a healthy sexually active teenager is a bridge too far. Given her father's sexual hang-ups and obsession--we are talking about Rick Santorum here--I suppose one could interpret that as an attack on the little girl (though I didn't intend it as that). Still, the scars of Sarah Palin's publicly celebrated victimhood run deep, and people are still especially offended by anything perceived as bordering on insensitive toward the children of politicians, so I will defer to your collective admonishment and shut the fuck up about this...for now.

k?

That wasn't an apology... that was a "cover my ass"

206 sattv4u2  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:58:19pm

re: #199 darthstar

When you're in a hole

stop digging!

207 McSpiff  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:58:24pm

re: #199 darthstar

All good God-fearing teenage girls should be banging football players? You sure its just her father with the sexual hang ups?

208 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:58:28pm

re: #201 SanFranciscoZionist

Labs are bred for that sort of thing. They adore it. Life, in a lab's mind, is all about getting into water and retrieving something.

my big male shepherd was as powerful a swimmer as they were....he used to jump off the back of my boat at 30mph, but ONLY if I did first....loyal as hell

209 darthstar  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:58:57pm

re: #205 Walter L. Newton

That wasn't an apology... that was a "cover my ass"

You're right. It wasn't an apology. Your reading comprehension is improving.

210 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:59:00pm

re: #204 Slumbering Behemoth

Meh, big whoop. Just leave the kids out of it, and stick to the actual politicians. It's not that hard, really.

that's what she said

211 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:59:49pm

I vote we drop that particular subject and move on.

212 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 5, 2011 3:59:58pm

re: #209 darthstar

You're right. It wasn't an apology. Your reading comprehension is improving.

It was too simple.

213 Iwouldprefernotto  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:00:46pm

Heaven goes by favor; if it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in.

Mark Twain

214 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:02:15pm

King of Canines
[Link: www.petdogsworld.com...]

215 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:03:06pm

re: #175 BigPapa

Obama Playing Videogames in the Situation Room

Obama, the ineffective girly man, constant campaigner, or the sinister socialist agenda driven dictator?

Or... just screwing off?

He was probably playing Call of Duty: Black Ops, the slacker.

///

216 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:03:54pm

Fox News trying to create a new Cindy Sheehan....
Obama Turns His Back on 9/11 Family Member

Debra Burlingame, the sister of Chip Burlingame (pilot of the plane that crashed into the Pentagon) met with President Obama today, along with other families who were victims of 9/11. Burlingame said she confronted Obama about Attorney General Eric Holder prosecuting the men who interrogated KSM, which may have produced intelligence leading us to bin Laden.

Holder is not pursuing charges against CIA interrogators. It's nonsense.

217 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:04:01pm

re: #214 albusteve

Real King of Dogs:

Image: 4333555971_78c6cb81f2.jpg

218 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:06:00pm

Sarah explains who the real bad guys are


The real villain, Palin says, is the media that make Americans who raise questions about the president “sound kinda crazy.”

DAMN YOU MEDIA!

219 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:06:11pm

re: #216 Killgore Trout

Fox News trying to create a new Cindy Sheehan...
Obama Turns His Back on 9/11 Family Member

Holder is not pursuing charges against CIA interrogators. It's nonsense.

That article is from and attributed to Real Clear Politics... verbatim... that's the source.

220 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:08:04pm

re: #218 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So... in this scenario, Sarah Palin is just a puppet, and it's the media that's making her say all those crazy things?

221 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:08:53pm

Prediction: By the time FOX News et al have finished spinning the OBL raid story it will read something like this:

On Sunday, OBL stepped off a commercial flight to Houston's Hobby airport, took a taxi to GWB's home, knocked on the door, and when the former President answered, OBL blew hos own brains out on the threshold. GWB then called Dick Cheney, who killed OBL some more before calling BHO to let him know that the job was done.

222 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:09:01pm

re: #220 Slumbering Behemoth

So... in this scenario, Sarah Palin is just a puppet, and it's the media that's making her say all those crazy things?

"Act like a nut, lady, or the caribou gets it!!"

223 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:09:04pm

re: #219 Walter L. Newton

That article is from and attributed to Real Clear Politics... verbatim... that's the source.

It's fox news video, dipshit. See the Fox Logo?

224 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:09:15pm

re: #220 Slumbering Behemoth

So... in this scenario, Sarah Palin is just a puppet, and it's the media that's making her say all those crazy things?

No, she's just asking questions, but the media makes them sound crazy. They're evil you see.

225 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:10:23pm

re: #222 SanFranciscoZionist

"Act like a nut, lady, or the caribou gets it!!"

Well, I'm glad someone can get the caribou. We'd be here all day waiting for Sarah to get it.

226 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:10:33pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

It's fox news video, dipshit. See the Fox Logo?

No I didn't... thanks for the clarification... slug.

227 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:10:45pm

BTW, OT question for old LGF hands: Is there a desk , or window or something where I can redeem my Karma for coupons or tickets or prizes or something?

228 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:10:48pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

It's fox news video, dipshit. See the Fox Logo?

Deep breaths, everyone. Deep breaths.

Or the caribou gets it.

229 sattv4u2  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:11:03pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

It's fox news video, dipshit. See the Fox Logo?

Cept when you click on the

Read the full story at Real Clear Politic

just below the story

230 Targetpractice  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:11:30pm

re: #216 Killgore Trout

Fox News trying to create a new Cindy Sheehan...
Obama Turns His Back on 9/11 Family Member

Holder is not pursuing charges against CIA interrogators. It's nonsense.

It's nonsense that the Right hasn't hesitated to recite as gospel since the word came out about the courier's name being supposedly attained via waterboarding. The whine goes something like "This info got us OBL, but all Obama and Holder wanted to do was prosecute the guys responsible for getting us that info!"

231 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:11:38pm

re: #227 imp_62

BTW, OT question for old LGF hands: Is there a desk , or window or something where I can redeem my Karma for coupons or tickets or prizes or something?

We've been hoping for that for a while.

Personally, I want a washer-dryer set.

232 sattv4u2  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:12:04pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

re: #229 sattv4u2

Cept when you click on the

just below the story

Or didn't you bother to go read down that far

LOOK ,,, IT"S FOX ,, I CAN BE REPULSED!!!

233 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:12:16pm

re: #231 SanFranciscoZionist

We've been hoping for that for a while.

Personally, I want a washer-dryer set.

I'd be happy with a toaster.

234 wrenchwench  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:12:27pm

re: #231 SanFranciscoZionist

We've been hoping for that for a while.

Personally, I want a washer-dryer set.

I'd like a cook to go with the cookbook.

235 Obdicut  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:12:28pm

re: #232 sattv4u2

re: #229 sattv4u2

Or didn't you bother to go read down that far

LOOK ,,, IT"S FOX ,, I CAN BE REPULSED!!!

Uh, RCP is as bad as, or worse, than FOX.

236 Walter L. Newton  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:12:51pm

re: #227 imp_62

BTW, OT question for old LGF hands: Is there a desk , or window or something where I can redeem my Karma for coupons or tickets or prizes or something?

Why... are you intending to flounce?

237 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:13:00pm

re: #231 SanFranciscoZionist

We've been hoping for that for a while.

Personally, I want a washer-dryer set.

I might have enough for those cool chopsticks I've been wanting...but I've never looked

238 sattv4u2  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:13:14pm

re: #235 Obdicut

Uh, RCP is as bad as, or worse, than FOX.

And that has anything to do with Walter stating (correctly) that the story is from RCP how?

239 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:13:43pm

re: #236 Walter L. Newton

Why... are you intending to flounce?

Not yet. At 4,000 Karma I qualify for the steak knives.

240 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:14:10pm

re: #237 albusteve

I might have enough for those cool chopsticks I've been wanting...but I've never looked

and please, don't post that stuff....thanks

241 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:14:20pm

re: #230 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It's nonsense that the Right hasn't hesitated to recite as gospel since the word came out about the courier's name being supposedly attained via waterboarding. The whine goes something like "This info got us OBL, but all Obama and Holder wanted to do was prosecute the guys responsible for getting us that info!"

The Justice Dept did launch an investigation into deaths that occurred while in CIA custody but there's no mention of waterboarding. Obama has already cautioned against them....
Prosecutor to Probe CIA Interrogations

In appointing a prosecutor to investigate alleged CIA interrogation abuses, including episodes that resulted in prisoner deaths, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. on Monday shook off warnings from President Obama to avoid becoming mired in past controversies.

The woman's a lunatic.

242 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:14:36pm

re: #227 imp_62

BTW, OT question for old LGF hands: Is there a desk , or window or something where I can redeem my Karma for coupons or tickets or prizes or something?

Well, there is a Kissing Booth you can redeem them at.

243 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:14:41pm

Military interrogators: Waterboarding didn't yield tips that led to bin Laden


The key, Herrington says, is to “channel those long talking sessions where they begin to – inadvertently at first – reveal things that are useful. All the while he’s talking, he’s telling us things that he doesn’t think are important, but they are.”

That requires building relationships – a process that is hampered, not helped, by practices such as “slapping someone in the face and stripping them naked,” he adds.

A handful of former intelligence officials concurs, releasing a statement Wednesday countering recent Bush administration officials claiming credit for the intelligence gains that led to bin Laden’s death.

“We are concerned about the suggestion by some that the use of waterboarding and other enhanced interrogation techniques led US forces to Osama bin Laden’s compound,” reads the statement, signed by four former military and FBI interrogators, including Herrington.

244 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:14:56pm

re: #240 albusteve

and please, don't post that stuff...thanks

Huh?

245 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:15:17pm

re: #233 reine.de.tout

I'd be happy with a toaster.

Well, I thought about a toaster, but we have a nice toaster someone gave us for our wedding, and that was just four years ago...so it's a perfectly good toaster.

Before the end of this month, though, we are getting a small air-conditioning unit in here. It's already heating up. This apartment is unbearable in summer.

People's kids are already starting to spill out in the evenings, which is nice, except the management of the building HATES kids, so you have this mob of small children playing, and the adults chatting in as much of a common language as they have, and then the manager sort of slinking around, giving everyone filthy looks.

246 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:15:27pm

re: #242 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, there is a Kissing Booth you can redeem them at.

The eyes ... they burn...

247 Obdicut  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:15:41pm

re: #238 sattv4u2

And that has anything to do with Walter stating (correctly) that the story is from RCP how?

It's being pushed by both RCP and Fox.

Why nitpick?

248 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:16:04pm

re: #237 albusteve

I might have enough for those cool chopsticks I've been wanting...but I've never looked

I don't know how to tell you this, bro, but your karma rating is much higher than mine. :P

249 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:16:07pm

re: #244 imp_62

Huh?

my posting data...I asked somebody once not to did that and they did it anyway

250 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:16:24pm

re: #236 Walter L. Newton

Why... are you intending to flounce?

Why does imp have to be flouncing to want to cash in some karma for a cool toy or stuffed animal?

/does G-d play skeeball?

251 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:16:46pm

re: #245 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, I thought about a toaster, but we have a nice toaster someone gave us for our wedding, and that was just four years ago...so it's a perfectly good toaster.

Before the end of this month, though, we are getting a small air-conditioning unit in here. It's already heating up. This apartment is unbearable in summer.

People's kids are already starting to spill out in the evenings, which is nice, except the management of the building HATES kids, so you have this mob of small children playing, and the adults chatting in as much of a common language as they have, and then the manager sort of slinking around, giving everyone filthy looks.

OMG, you live in 1952 Queens.

252 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:16:48pm

re: #248 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't know how to tell you this, bro, but your karma rating is much higher than mine. :P

I'll trade...just set it up

253 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:17:42pm

re: #245 SanFranciscoZionist

you got one at your wedding? I had to earn mine the hard way .

254 sattv4u2  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:18:01pm

re: #247 Obdicut

It's being pushed by both RCP and Fox.

Why nitpick?

Didn't know stating facts was "nitpick"ing.

I'll have to remember that

255 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:18:34pm

re: #253 Dreggas

you got one at your wedding? I had to earn mine the hard way .

Hey - now I know why my sister and her partner try to serve toast at every meal. Thanks!

256 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:18:55pm

re: #255 imp_62

LOL!

257 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:19:30pm

re: #252 albusteve

I'll trade...just set it up

I'll only trade if you give me booze for my karma points. Oh, and that offer is open to every Lizard.

258 sattv4u2  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:20:41pm

re: #257 Slumbering Behemoth

I'll only trade if you give me booze for my karma points. Oh, and that offer is open to every Lizard.

{hic}

huh!??!

259 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:21:01pm

re: #243 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

This again...

The interrogators assert that Mr. Mohammed and others “did not divulge the nom de guerre of a courier during torture, but rather several months later, when they were questioned by interrogators who did not use abusive techniques.”


They still seem to ignore that he refused to talk until after he was waterboarded. The point of waterboarding is to break them so they talk. Once they start talking you don't need to waterboard them. I'm open to debate on this issue but we've been through this before. It's becoming more of a war of talking points than a serious discussion of what really happened.

260 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:21:39pm

re: #257 Slumbering Behemoth

I'll only trade if you give me booze for my karma points. Oh, and that offer is open to every Lizard.

You will get my booze when you pry it from my cold dead fingers. Or, my clammy, drunk fingers. Either way, you're gonna have to pry.

261 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:22:05pm

re: #258 sattv4u2

{hic}

huh!??!

I'll give you 1,000 karma for that bottle of Patron.

262 ElCapitanAmerica  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:22:08pm

Ron Paul supporters at the GOP debate selling up dehydrated food ... ready for the apocalypse!

[Link: www.slate.com...]

At one table, a Paul supporter named Brian Frank was selling dehydrated food, and offering free samples of the water-added broccoli cheese or cream of potato soups.

"When the dollar collapses, you're going to want to have this," he explained. "It's survival food. It lasts for 25 years."

263 sattv4u2  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:22:45pm

re: #261 Slumbering Behemoth

I'll give you 1,000 karma for that bottle of Patron.

Sure ,,,(now that it's empty!!)

264 Four More Tears  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:23:06pm

re: #259 Killgore Trout

This again...


They still seem to ignore that he refused to talk until after he was waterboarded. The point of waterboarding is to break them so they talk. Once they start talking you don't need to waterboard them. I'm open to debate on this issue but we've been through this before. It's becoming more of a war of talking points than a serious discussion of what really happened.

Huh? If they only talked several months later how much credit do you think can be given to waterboarding?

265 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:23:12pm

re: #253 Dreggas

you got one at your wedding? I had to earn mine the hard way .

heh.
You met your quota?

266 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:24:09pm

re: #262 ElCapitanAmerica

Ron Paul supporters at the GOP debate selling up dehydrated food ... ready for the apocalypse!

[Link: www.slate.com...]

Actually, if we ever went back to the gold standard, deflation would be so massive that scarcity would do away with even "survival rations".

267 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:24:33pm

re: #262 ElCapitanAmerica

So when the dollar collapses, and all society goes to hell, just where am I supposed to get drinkable water for that stuff?

I mean, I assume in any decent apocalypse, the socialist Water Dept. will end up defunct.

268 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:25:01pm

Holy crap, were they having a convention in Abbotabad last weekend?

Bali bomber captured down the road of compound


One of the 2002 Bali bombers was captured by Pakistani commandos just a few miles from where Osama bin Laden was killed in Abbottabad by US forces earlier this week.
269 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:25:25pm

re: #267 Slumbering Behemoth

So when the dollar collapses, and all society goes to hell, just where am I supposed to get drinkable water for that stuff?

I mean, I assume in any decent apocalypse, the socialist Water Dept. will end up defunct.

Say, why is your cream of mushroom soup yellowish?

270 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:25:34pm

re: #263 sattv4u2

Sure ,,,(now that it's empty!!)

I DON'T TRADE FOR EMPTIES! GET OUTTA MY STORE!!!

271 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:25:40pm

re: #267 Slumbering Behemoth

So when the dollar collapses, and all society goes to hell, just where am I supposed to get drinkable water for that stuff?

I mean, I assume in any decent apocalypse, the socialist Water Dept. will end up defunct.

You're supposed to buy a filtration system.

(Actually, you should have some kind of water purification for garden-variety natural disasters, like storms, floods, earthquakes, volcanoes, hurricanes, etc.)

272 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:25:52pm

re: #268 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Holy crap, were they having a convention in Abbotabad last weekend?

Bali bomber captured down the road of compound

shaping up as some sort of haven?

273 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:25:53pm

Meanwhile, Rick Perry's legislative emergency is on his desk awaiting signature.

Not jobs, nothing to do with with the multi-billion dollar state budget deficit, nothing to do with the border and its looming drug cartel problems, no - the big emergency is forcing doctors to perform unnecessary medical procedures on patients who don't want them, strictly for the purpose of coercive psychological and emotional manipulation.

274 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:26:36pm

re: #268 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Holy crap, were they having a convention in Abbotabad last weekend?

Bali bomber captured down the road of compound

Umar Patek, the last of the plotters at large, was seized in a raid on the home of a family which had found him and his wife starving and begging for food in the street.


Obviously, OBL turned him away "No soup for you!"

275 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:27:06pm

re: #272 albusteve

shaping up as some sort of haven?

I wonder how many residents are calling their HOA and complaining they bought their homes understanding they were retiring to a raid free suburb?

276 darthstar  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:27:12pm

Happy Cinco de Mayo. Ask your doctor if Tequila is right for you...god knows I could use some right now.

277 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:27:53pm

re: #271 EmmmieG

I've got a Britta, does that count?

278 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:27:58pm

re: #275 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I wonder how many residents are calling their HOA and complaining they bought their homes understanding they were retiring to a raid free suburb?

well, there goes the neighborhood!

279 Lidane  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:28:04pm

re: #273 negativ

Meanwhile, Rick Perry's legislative emergency is on his desk awaiting signature.

Not jobs, nothing to do with with the multi-billion dollar state budget deficit, nothing to do with the border and its looming drug cartel problems, no - the big emergency is forcing doctors to perform unnecessary medical procedures on patients who don't want them, strictly for the purpose of coercive psychological and emotional manipulation.

*sigh*

He should spend more time dealing with the $27 billion budget shortfall he won't admit to creating and less time inserting the government into a woman's vagina.

280 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:28:32pm

re: #277 Slumbering Behemoth

I've got a Britta, does that count?

If the GOP has its way, Britta will be deported back to Sweden. Make other plans.

281 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:28:38pm

re: #277 Slumbering Behemoth

I've got a Britta, does that count?

I can't remember; does Britta help with bacteria, or only odor and taste?

282 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:29:39pm

re: #274 imp_62

Obviously, OBL turned him away "No soup for you!"

"Dave's not here!"

283 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:29:56pm

re: #262 ElCapitanAmerica

Ron Paul supporters at the GOP debate selling up dehydrated food ... ready for the apocalypse!

[Link: www.slate.com...]

heh.

284 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:30:05pm

re: #281 EmmmieG

I can't remember; does Britta help with bacteria, or only odor and taste?

Please stop. I am holding back the pornographic comments only with difficulty.

285 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:31:13pm

re: #281 EmmmieG

I can't remember; does Britta help with bacteria, or only odor and taste?

Apparently, only odor and taste. Crap! I'm doo-oomed

286 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:31:42pm

re: #265 reine.de.tout

heh.
You met your quota?

Dreggas re: #282 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Dave's not here!"

"No, I'm Dave!"

287 wrenchwench  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:31:45pm

re: #273 negativ

Meanwhile, Rick Perry's legislative emergency is on his desk awaiting signature.

Not jobs, nothing to do with with the multi-billion dollar state budget deficit, nothing to do with the border and its looming drug cartel problems, no - the big emergency is forcing doctors to perform unnecessary medical procedures on patients who don't want them, strictly for the purpose of coercive psychological and emotional manipulation.

Well put.

288 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:32:37pm

re: #286 talon_262

Dreggas re: #282 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"No, I'm Dave!"

here ya go.

289 ElCapitanAmerica  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:34:10pm

I'm starting to think the whole Ron Paul think is just a way to get the teabaggers to buy his books and other trinkets. What a business!

290 EdDantes  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:34:19pm

re: #276 darthstar

It's funny 'cause it's true.

291 Lidane  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:35:00pm

re: #289 ElCapitanAmerica

I'm starting to think the whole Ron Paul think is just a way to get the teabaggers to buy his books and other trinkets. What a business!

FREE MARKETS SOLVE EVERYTHING!

///

292 wrenchwench  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:35:17pm

re: #289 ElCapitanAmerica

I'm starting to think the whole Ron Paul think is just a way to get the teabaggers to buy his books and other trinkets. What a business!

Same for Palin, Huckabee, and a whole lot of others...

293 ElCapitanAmerica  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:36:07pm

Maybe the Pizza guy is there for some new frozen pizza business, you know for the apocalypse too. Whats his name again, Herman Cain?

294 Obdicut  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:36:47pm

re: #259 Killgore Trout

This again...


They still seem to ignore that he refused to talk until after he was waterboarded. The point of waterboarding is to break them so they talk.

There is no agreed-upon thing that is 'breaking' someone, though. That's not something that has any intrinsic meaning to it. It's not a dual state. And again, if the goal is getting them to talk, there can only be an assumption in any individual case that torture made them talk faster than other methods would.

You cannot leap to the conclusion that waterboarding was more effective than not waterboarding. The only way to actually come to a conclusion would be through scientific testing, which is not available due to the enormous ethical problems.

As it stands, every intelligence officer who's ever written on the subject has said torture is inferior to other techniques, both in veracity of information and a host of other ways.

295 EdDantes  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:37:03pm

Happy 50th anniversary of Alan Shepard's flight!

296 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:41:27pm

Lull in the convo...
Upding to whomever (without Google!) can attribute my tagline.

297 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:42:16pm

re: #294 Obdicut


You cannot leap to the conclusion that waterboarding was more effective than not waterboarding.


Because by most accounts that I've seen he wasn't cooperating before water boarding. After Waterboarding he started cooperating. His interrogators requested to use the technique specifically because he wasn't cooperating. I haven't seen anything to refute this.

298 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:45:05pm

First time I've seen this.

MSNBC video report about the raid, including some graphics that depict the events and how they occurred.

You'll probably have to sit thru a 15-second ad.

299 Lidane  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:45:12pm

re: #297 Killgore Trout

But if he didn't start cooperating until several months after being waterboarded, then how does it follow that the waterboarding itself was responsible for anything?

300 ElCapitanAmerica  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:45:32pm

The thing about the waterboarding debate is that it doesn't matter if it worked or not (although most experts seem to say it doesn't), it's that it's illegal and we shouldn't be torturing people.

And it is torture, we wouldn't want any of our citizens to be subjected to it during questioning.

301 Obdicut  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:46:27pm

re: #297 Killgore Trout

Because by most accounts that I've seen he wasn't cooperating before water boarding. After Waterboarding he started cooperating.

Other things happened as well during that time period. To assume it was waterboarding is simply an assumption.

His interrogators requested to use the technique specifically because he wasn't cooperating. I haven't seen anything to refute this.

So what? It doesn't mean that waterboarding made him cooperate faster than other techniques would have. You're kind of positing that they waterboarded him and he immediately talked, which was hardly the case. Not only did he not offer up the information during waterboarding-- and didn't offer up the real name of the courier, which he may very well have known-- but he didn't offer it up until well afterwards, when other techniques were used.

Any single, anecdotal case is pointless in proving anything about the efficacy of torture. The body of knowledge that exists about torture is that it is not effective in garnering good intel.

302 Obdicut  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:46:49pm

re: #298 reine.de.tout

Just a big lizard with a stop sign, I'm afraid.

303 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:48:35pm

re: #302 Obdicut

Just a big lizard with a stop sign, I'm afraid.

crap. Try this? works for me in preview.


304 darthstar  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:48:58pm

re: #300 ElCapitanAmerica

And it is torture, we wouldn't want any of our citizens to be subjected to it during questioning.


Those who authorized it are doing their best to justify their decisions - and getting 43% of Americans to agree with them, and maybe 17% undecided on top of that would go a long way toward making them feel better - but I think it's just a guilty conscience eating away at them - personally I prefer they let that knot eat a hole in their stomachs.

305 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:49:01pm

re: #297 Killgore Trout

Because by most accounts that I've seen he wasn't cooperating before water boarding. After Waterboarding he started cooperating. His interrogators requested to use the technique specifically because he wasn't cooperating. I haven't seen anything to refute this.

[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]

Also:

Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic.

306 Stanghazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:49:17pm

re: #300 ElCapitanAmerica

The thing about the waterboarding debate is that it doesn't matter if it worked or not (although most experts seem to say it doesn't), it's that it's illegal and we shouldn't be torturing people.

And it is torture, we wouldn't want any of our citizens to be subjected to it during questioning.

Here's a point that Andrew Sullivan brought up that I thought was great.

Originally the torture apologists used the "ticking bomb scenario" as justification. Well now, the slippery slope has commenced, because it's being justified to find the location of the bad guy.

307 darthstar  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:50:20pm

re: #306 Stanley Sea

Here's a point that Andrew Sullivan brought up that I thought was great.

Originally the torture apologists used the "ticking bomb scenario" as justification. Well now, the slippery slope has commenced, because it's being justified to find the location of the bad guy.

The bad guy was found despite torture.

308 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:50:28pm

re: #294 Obdicut

As it stands, every intelligence officer who's ever written on the subject has said torture is inferior to other techniques, both in veracity of information and a host of other ways.


I don't think that's true. The CIA requested the technique. I'm sure there's a variety of opinion.

309 Stanghazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:51:55pm

re: #307 darthstar

The bad guy was found despite torture.

Yeah, but the apologists aren't believing that.

310 darthstar  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:51:58pm

Food, water, and reassurance that a person isn't going to suffer personally if they cooperate > torture.

311 darthstar  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:53:24pm

re: #309 Stanley Sea

Yeah, but the apologists aren't believing that.

They believe it...they just think they can get everyone else to not believe it...and with the media's help, they will. You only have to repeat a lie a few times before it catches on (see birth certificate, swiftboat, etc.)

312 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:54:57pm

re: #311 darthstar

I kinda think they're deeply in denial about it. Its one of those things you do so you can live with yourself. Kind of like the 'only following orders' thing.

313 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:56:00pm

re: #305 negativ

[Link: www.theatlantic.com...] 5/the-unwelcome-return-of-the-torture-debate/23822 2/

Also:

Yes, that's the standard talking point but it's a misrepresentation of how the technique works. We've been through this a number of times and we're talking in circles.

314 prairiefire  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:57:09pm

re: #296 imp_62

Lull in the convo...
Upding to whomever (without Google!) can attribute my tagline.

Something to do with the military?

315 darthstar  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:57:34pm

re: #312 windsagio

I kinda think they're deeply in denial about it. Its one of those things you do so you can live with yourself. Kind of like the 'only following orders' thing.

Guilt is a great weapon, when turned upon oneself.

316 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:58:22pm

re: #313 Killgore Trout

Yes, that's the standard talking point but it's a misrepresentation of how the technique works. We've been through this a number of times and we're talking in circles.

the worst part of this or any subject....the mind deadening repitition

317 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:58:37pm

re: #314 prairiefire

Something to do with the military?

tag, not nic..:

"A loathsome man...nothing more than the inventory of his defects"

318 Stanghazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:59:06pm

re: #316 albusteve

True, we keep going back to it.

Ya want some Palin Steve?

319 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 4:59:44pm

re: #318 Stanley Sea

True, we keep going back to it.

Ya want some Palin Steve?

post whatever you want

320 prairiefire  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:00:59pm

re: #317 imp_62

tag, not nic..:

"A loathsome man...nothing more than the inventory of his defects"

Dickens.

321 Obdicut  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:01:19pm

re: #308 Killgore Trout

I don't think that's true. The CIA requested the technique. I'm sure there's a variety of opinion.

Sure, from unknown and unnamed people. But from the actual people who have used it, and from reports from the Soviet Union and the Nazis, torture was less effective than co-optment. The Nazis loved to torture people, but it wasn't because it was effective, it's because they were bastards. Their best interrogator didn't use torture at all. Likewise, in the Soviet Union, torture was used in order to elicit false confessions, not to actually gather intelligence.

322 Stanghazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:01:21pm

For those interested, and who missed it, read this essay by Ta-Nehisi Coates about the birth cert release. Very good.


[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]

323 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:01:34pm

re: #320 prairiefire

Dickens.

nope. Hint: contemporary American novelist.

324 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:02:44pm

re: #322 Stanley Sea

For those interested, and who missed it, read this essay by Ta-Nehisi Coates about the birth cert release. Very good.

[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]

Doesn't sound murrikan.

325 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:03:28pm

re: #313 Killgore Trout

You know how it is, people keep defending torture, people keep needing to get reminded of things. It's the circle of life!

326 goddamnedfrank  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:04:24pm

re: #313 Killgore Trout

Yes, that's the standard talking point but it's a misrepresentation of how the technique works. We've been through this a number of times and we're talking in circles.

If you're constipated and somebody slaps you, and three months later you have a successful bowel movement, does that mean they slapped the shit out of you? Because that's what you're arguing with regards to the effectiveness of torture here.

327 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:04:27pm

re: #321 Obdicut

Ex-CIA Counterterror Chief: ‘Enhanced Interrogation’ Led U.S. to bin Laden
But you know this already because I've linked to it several times.

328 prairiefire  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:04:38pm

re: #323 imp_62

nope. Hint: contemporary American novelist.

Gore Vidal.

329 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:05:01pm

re: #328 prairiefire

Gore Vidal.

Jewish

330 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:05:26pm

My only comment: When Philip the Fair* turned on the templars, he was able to get confessions to all sorts of funky things. He was in France. Likewise some other European nations were able to get similar confessions.

Not the English templars. Why? Torture was illegal in England.

Make of that what you will.

(On the other hand, maybe the templars did have bizarre initiation rituals in which they swore loyalty to, uh, I think it was a skull or something and then they did funky sexual things. I forget.)

*He wasn't a nice guy interested in the rule of law. He was blond.

331 prairiefire  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:05:36pm

re: #329 imp_62

Jewish

Norman Mailer.

332 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:06:13pm

re: #330 EmmmieG

Skull of Baphomet.

333 shutdown  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:06:53pm

re: #331 prairiefire

Norman Mailer.

Gotta run --- Philip Roth!

334 prairiefire  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:06:55pm

re: #331 prairiefire

Philip Roth.
That fellow that passed away about 10 years ago, not googling and I can't remember. Wrote a lot of short stories.

335 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:06:57pm

re: #332 windsagio

Skull of Baphomet.

Thanks.

336 goddamnedfrank  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:07:12pm

Post hoc ergo propter hoc, it's what's for dinner.

337 prairiefire  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:07:18pm

re: #334 prairiefire

Philip Roth.
That fellow that passed away about 10 years ago, not googling and I can't remember. Wrote a lot of short stories.

3rd time's a charm.

338 Four More Tears  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:09:09pm

re: #327 Killgore Trout

Ex-CIA Counterterror Chief: ‘Enhanced Interrogation’ Led U.S. to bin Laden
But you know this already because I've linked to it several times.

Yes. I've read it several times.

Rodriguez agrees that other events played a role in developing the intelligence on bin Laden’s whereabouts. And he says that despite widespread focus on KSM, al-Libbi’s information was the most important. “Both KSM and al-Libbi were held at CIA black sites and subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques,” Rodriguez says. “Abu Faraj was not waterboarded, but his information on the courier was key.”

I'm still not sure how exactly this article is a evidence that waterboarding works :-/

339 Varek Raith  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:09:28pm

Fox terminates Gingrich and Santorum

(CNN) - Fox News Channel has terminated the contracts of paid contributors and potential 2012 candidates Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum, a spokesman for the network confirmed to CNN.

Contracts for the former House Speaker and former Pennsylvania senator were suspended until May 1st while they considered runs for the White House in 2012.

Santorum, who will appear in Thursday's GOP presidential debate in South Carolina, has since formed a presidential exploratory committee.

A Gingrich spokesman has said Gingrich would be a candidate before next Friday's Georgia's state Republican convention.

Other possible GOP contenders, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, are still employees of Fox News.

Harsh man. They went all Arnold on them.
/

340 Stanghazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:09:46pm

re: #334 prairiefire

Philip Roth.
That fellow that passed away about 10 years ago, not googling and I can't remember. Wrote a lot of short stories.

Is he dead? I don't think so?

341 Obdicut  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:10:40pm

re: #327 Killgore Trout

He's not an interrogator. He's an administrator who okayed torture. I'm sure he's eager to say that it works. And all he really said was what you did; they tortured him, he provided information later, therefore the information came because of the torture. He's not actually addressing the comparative efficacy.

I'm talking about the actual interrogators, not the administrators' opinions of efficacy; those of an administrator are a lot less interesting.

I mean, obviously, this is difficult because no torturer wants to admit in public that they're a torturer, so we don't really get their side.

But really, check out the stuff from the Nazis and the Soviets. I mean, it'll turn your stomach, but it's soberly interesting too. When the Soviets wanted intel, they tended to co-opt. When they wanted a confession-- regardless of whether the person had actually done the crime-- they used torture. Likewise, the Nazi's best interrogator did not use torture. Our guys-- and believe me, we had black sites in WWII-- came to the conclusion that torture was ineffective as well. And that was during probably the largest and longest period of time where we were interrogating high-level, fanatically resistant targets.

There is nothing in this case to say anything one way or another about torture, for the reasons I outlined above.

342 prairiefire  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:11:47pm

re: #340 Stanley Sea

Is he dead? I don't think so?

No, he is still alive and is amazingly prolific for his age. I was trying to remember "Isaac Bashevis Singer" who died 20 years ago.

343 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:12:16pm

re: #335 EmmmieG

A pleasure, altho its kind of embarassing that I know that.

344 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:14:32pm

re: #326 goddamnedfrank

If you're constipated and somebody slaps you, and three months later you have a successful bowel movement, does that mean they slapped the shit out of you? Because that's what you're arguing with regards to the effectiveness of torture here.

Uh, no. I get the feeling this is no longer a serious discussion of what happened and is becoming emotional and stupid. I think I'll drop it since it no longer seems productive.

345 What, me worry?  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:14:57pm

re: #303 reine.de.tout

crap. Try this? works for me in preview.

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Wow! Amazing video.

Can I say, "Good."

And they picked up the little girls and took them out of harm's way. I'm so proud of these guys. It just keeps getting better.

346 Stanghazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:15:46pm

re: #345 marjoriemoon

Wow! Amazing video.

Can I say, "Good."

And they picked up the little girls and took them out of harm's way. I'm so proud of these guys. It just keeps getting better.

Yes, and tomorrow the POTUS is meeting the Seals. Wow.

347 Interesting Times  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:17:21pm

re: #346 Stanley Sea

Just followed you on twitter (I use a different username there). Have a direct message I'd like to send you if you follow me back :)

348 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:19:55pm

re: #346 Stanley Sea

Yes, and tomorrow the POTUS is meeting the Seals. Wow.

I don't get it...their identities are usually kept secret

349 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:20:00pm

re: #345 marjoriemoon

Wow! Amazing video.

Can I say, "Good."

And they picked up the little girls and took them out of harm's way. I'm so proud of these guys. It just keeps getting better.

It does. It also depicts, I think, just how quickly things were moving and the sort of split-second time those guys had to make their decisions. Looks to me like they were as organized as it was possible to be in that situation.

350 Romantic Heretic  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:20:12pm

Oh yes. The Oath Keepers. Or the 'double patriots' as I call them.

Back before and during the Second World War the Japanese military, the Army mostly, interfered a lot with Japanese politics. They assassinated people who disagreed with them, started a war in China and generally acted in a completely traitorous manner. This was excused by stating they were acting 'in the Emperor's true interest.' That's right, they acted against the government of the Emperor by saying he didn't know what he wanted. This cognitive dissonance was called 'double patriotism.'

The Oath Keepers are 'double patriots'.

351 Stanghazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:20:50pm

re: #347 publicityStunted

done

352 wrenchwench  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:20:54pm

re: #348 albusteve

I don't get it...their identities are usually kept secret

Not from their commander in chief. I doubt there will be a press conference.

353 Stanghazi  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:21:33pm

re: #348 albusteve

I don't get it...their identities are usually kept secret

Maybe not to the CIC, but it definitely will not be televised, or reported, or anything. He's meeting them at a base in Kansas I think.

354 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:21:46pm

(OT and extremely gross, you've been warned)

OH MK guys, you disgusting bastards!

355 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:22:23pm

re: #353 Stanley Sea

Maybe not to the CIC, but it definitely will not be televised, or reported, or anything. He's meeting them at a base in Kansas I think.

Quote for emphasis. Not many things are allowed to be secret from the President >>

356 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:22:26pm

re: #353 Stanley Sea

Maybe not to the CIC, but it definitely will not be televised, or reported, or anything. He's meeting them at a base in Kansas I think.

perfect....they hide their IDs for life, not from the pres of course

357 What, me worry?  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:22:39pm

re: #349 reine.de.tout

It does. It also depicts, I think, just how quickly things were moving and the sort of split-second time those guys had to make their decisions. Looks to me like they were as organized as it was possible to be in that situation.

These guys are pros. No doubt about it. They've been training for this kind of mission their whole military lives, I'm sure.

358 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:23:34pm

re: #356 albusteve

perfect...they hide their IDs for life, not from the pres of course

I'd suspect that, or at least for a long time. Safety and all that.

It's kind of funny the wave of books coming on this, none of them allowed to be done by the people in the operation.

359 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:24:10pm

re: #348 albusteve

I don't get it...their identities are usually kept secret

He might be meeting them, but it doesn't mean they're going to show their pictures or ID them.

360 What, me worry?  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:24:11pm

re: #356 albusteve

perfect...they hide their IDs for life, not from the pres of course

It would be an honor for both parties, I would think.

361 Interesting Times  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:27:06pm

re: #351 Stanley Sea

done

Thanks! Msg sent.

362 albusteve  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:29:03pm

re: #359 kragar (proud to be kafir)

He might be meeting them, but it doesn't mean they're going to show their pictures or ID them.

I thinks protocol requires they all wear Nixon masks when in the presence of the CinC

363 Kragar  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:30:59pm

re: #362 albusteve

I thinks protocol requires they all wear Nixon masks when in the presence of the CinC

Thats the old protocol. Its Reagan masks now.

364 Lidane  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:31:17pm

*dances around the room*

YES! FINALLY! I am finished with this bear of a Marketing Research project. After adding in our interview notes and data, what started as a 22 page paper has ballooned to over 40 pages, and that doesn't include the SPSS and Excel files to send in seprarately, or the PowerPoint presentation that went with it all.

All that's left now is heading up to campus, printing it all out, and dropping it off at my prof's office. As of now, my first year of graduate school is officially OVER. I'm now halfway to an MBA. Woohoo! :D

365 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:31:30pm

re: #354 windsagio

I'm totally not watching that hahahaha

366 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:31:50pm

re: #364 Lidane

kickass! Congratulations!

367 Four More Tears  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:33:02pm

I hope Obama gets to give the dog that went with the SEALs a Scooby snack.

368 Interesting Times  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:33:19pm

re: #354 windsagio

(OT and extremely gross, you've been warned)

OH MK guys, you disgusting bastards!

Disgusting as in blood/gore, frightening sex acts, or inappropriate ingestion of substances not intended for said purpose?

369 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:33:52pm

re: #276 darthstar

I don't drink at bars on drinking holidays like St. pattys or Cinco De Mayo

I made that mistake one too many times, bars get crazy and not in the good way

370 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:34:05pm

re: #367 JasonA

Armored night sight dog!

371 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:34:27pm

re: #368 publicityStunted

blood/gore

372 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:35:07pm

re: #365 WindUpBird

I brand thee 'not a man'!


re: #368 publicityStunted


really idiotic levels of blood and gore.

373 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:35:17pm

re: #363 kragar (proud to be kafir)

Thats the old protocol. Its Reagan masks now.

No, they changed back to Nixon. Obama was too intimidated by the image of Ronald Reagan, whose gallant legacy he can never exceed.

374 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:35:52pm

re: #369 WindUpBird

I don't drink at bars on drinking holidays like St. pattys or Cinco De Mayo

I made that mistake one too many times, bars get crazy and not in the good way

WUB, did you favorite me on Twitter today?

375 windsagio  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:36:08pm

re: #373 Dark_Falcon

No, they changed back to Nixon. Obama was too intimidated by the image of Ronald Reagan, whose gallant legacy he can never exceed.

You mean that gallant legacy of criminal acts of treason? You're totally right!

376 What, me worry?  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:36:41pm

Ooo Charles put your vid up, Reine!

377 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:41:24pm

re: #373 Dark_Falcon

No, they changed back to Nixon. Obama was too intimidated by the image of Ronald Reagan, whose gallant legacy he can never exceed.

lol

378 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:41:48pm

re: #374 Dark_Falcon

yeah, i decided to start following LGFers again, it's me @fetishbird

379 prairiefire  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:42:17pm

re: #373 Dark_Falcon

No, they changed back to Nixon. Obama was too intimidated by the image of Ronald Reagan, whose gallant legacy he can never exceed.

Oh, I disagree.

380 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:42:37pm

re: #374 Dark_Falcon

Twitter is sort of a new thing for me, I've only really been using it with any degree of regularity the last few months, mostly for keeping in touch with friends, I'm still trying to figure out what the bets way of using it is, I have a couple different twitter accounts

381 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:44:14pm

re: #379 prairiefire

fetishizing presidents is weird to me, it's like the British and royalty. fetishizing presidents = desire for a monarchy, to me


he's a GUY! he's not Jesus Christ. We don't feishize Clinton, and I don't fetishize Obama. i voted for him, I like him, he's a guy who is an executive, he can't cast spells, he's not a symbol of all that is good, blah blah

382 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:46:41pm

re: #378 WindUpBird

yeah, i decided to start following LGFers again, it's me @fetishbird

Cool. I just needed to ensure it was really you.

383 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 5, 2011 5:49:12pm

re: #382 Dark_Falcon

Cool. I just needed to ensure it was really you.

I am a lot more "me" on twitter, there will be some NWS content now and again

384 mr.fusion  Thu, May 5, 2011 6:03:05pm

My goodness look at this crew

I think a train wreck just slowed down to watch this thing

385 mr.fusion  Thu, May 5, 2011 6:10:18pm

And a note to FOX:

Don't ever use a buzzer again that sounds like a doorbell.....you're driving my dog freaking bananas

386 [deleted]  Thu, May 5, 2011 6:45:19pm
387 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 5, 2011 7:29:45pm

re: #386 bettyking

Yeah, but can we be 100% sure he's dead?

Yes, I am certain that we can. 100%.

388 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 6, 2011 11:08:10am

re: #387 Slumbering Behemoth

Yes, I am certain that we can. 100%.

This was a Chinese spammer, leaving this comment as cover while posting spam comments in other threads. Now blocked.


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A Closer Look at the Eastman State Bar DecisionTaking a few minutes away from work things to read through the Eastman decision. As I'm sure many of you know, Eastman was my law school con law professor. I knew him pretty well because I was also running in ...
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