Mike Huckabee’s Revisionist History Lessons - For the Kids!

Gimme yo money
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In the burgeoning genre of Right Wing Historical Revisionism, potential Republican presidential front-runner Mike Huckabee is proud to announce a new project: Learnourhistory.com!

The Huckster is going to fight back against the “blame America first” attitude forced onto our schoolkids by secular atheist progressive commies, with a series of surrealistically awful animated “history lessons.”

You may recall that Huckabee was recently in the news for saying “All Americans Should Be Forced at Gunpoint to Listen to David Barton” (the religious right pseudo-historian), so that may give you an inkling of where these videos are coming from.

The first one out is titled, “The Reagan Revolution,” and the villain is a knife-wielding black kid wearing a DISCO t-shirt who says, “Gimme yo money.”

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184 comments
1 SpaceJesus  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:04:17pm

oh my fucking god my eyes

2 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:05:30pm

I really, really, really hate "kid" voices done by adults.

3 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:06:20pm

Self contradictory: Time travel would require even more advanced physics than we have now, but theocrats oppose that as unBiblical and communistic.

4 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:06:20pm

re: #2 EmmmieG

I really, really, really hate "kid" voices done by adults.

Except for "South Park"

5 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:06:24pm

Disco is, apparently, going to kill us.

6 jamesfirecat  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:07:23pm

I can't bring myself to watch, what's the money quote/scene?

7 SpaceJesus  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:07:29pm

needs more squirrel recipes

8 engineer cat  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:07:30pm

i remember fondly how america was saved by slogans

9 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:07:41pm

re: #5 EmmmieG

Disco is, apparently, going to kill us.

So you see, there is at least one rational message in this presentation.

10 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:09:03pm

re: #6 jamesfirecat

I can't bring myself to watch, what's the money quote/scene?

Reagan telling Gorby to tear down the Berlin Wall, which apparently saved us from Iranian terrorists and black muggers.
That's my sense of it anyway.

11 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:09:15pm

I posted the WWII history clip on the downstairs thread:

PS The US did not declare war on Germany as claimed in the film, Germany declared war on us.

Mike, you can tweak the ideology all you want, but I will expect you to get the facts straight.

12 elizajane  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:09:51pm

re: #6 jamesfirecat

I can't bring myself to watch, what's the money quote/scene?

"God has a plan for America," said by a Ronald Reagan who appears to have peculiar dental problems.
I can't believe I wasted a minute and a half of my time watching that.

13 scienceisreal  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:10:24pm

Just don't go back in time any further kids. If you do you might catch a glimpse of Reagan railing against the "socialist" programs that kept our economy growing for most of the 20th century (you know, those communist plots like Medicare and social security).

Ronald Reagan - Medicare Will Bring A Socialist Dictatorship

14 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:10:48pm

re: #9 Shiplord Kirel

So you see, there is at least one rational message in this presentation.

It's a bit odd, because if you'd asked me, I would have said polyester and TV dinners.

15 Ben Jephazi  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:11:06pm

re: #10 Shiplord Kirel

Reagan telling Gorby to tear down the Berlin Wall, which apparently saved us from Iranian terrorists and black muggers.
That's my sense of it anyway.

That's generous. It didn't particularly make any sense from where I sit. Elizajane is probably most right. It was kind of a non-plot followed by a bunch of Reagan platitudes.

16 makeitstop  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:11:37pm

It's like one of Robert Smigel's shorts for SNL - minus the humor and superior animation.

17 Tumulus11  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:11:58pm

. That's not Mr. Reagan - that's a zombie.

18 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:12:05pm

re: #15 3eff Jeff

That's generous. It didn't particularly make any sense from where I sit. Elizajane is probably most right. It was kind of a non-plot followed by a bunch of Reagan platitudes.

Please tell me this is not going to substitute for actual history. Please?

19 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:12:43pm

re: #11 ralphieboy

I posted the WWII history clip on the downstairs thread:

[Video]PS The US did not declare war on Germany as claimed in the film, Germany declared war on us.

Mike, you can tweak the ideology all you want, but I will expect you to get the facts straight.

I particularly love how Reagan gets all the credit for ending hte Cold War in the first clip but FDR's wartime leadership is conveniently ignored in the WWII one. I think someone pointed out that the tanks and submachine guns being used were inaccurate too and that these were SS members.

20 elizajane  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:12:54pm

re: #11 ralphieboy

I posted the WWII history clip on the downstairs thread:

[Video]PS The US did not declare war on Germany as claimed in the film, Germany declared war on us.

Mike, you can tweak the ideology all you want, but I will expect you to get the facts straight.

In the WWII clip, the time travellers journey to confront pure evil and the first thing they hear Hitler say is "Germany has been chosen by God to rule the world." Obviously the intertextuality with Reagan's star moment in the other clip is, er, unintentional.

21 McSpiff  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:13:39pm

re: #11 ralphieboy

I posted the WWII history clip on the downstairs thread:

[Video]PS The US did not declare war on Germany as claimed in the film, Germany declared war on us.

Mike, you can tweak the ideology all you want, but I will expect you to get the facts straight.

What.. I don't even... there's no message to these other than "America, Fuck Yah"

22 Ojoe  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:13:53pm

Terrible race baiting, he should be ashamed.

Any politician or leader brings us together.

I don't see anyone doing that in the current field, either side.

23 engineer cat  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:14:29pm

re: #17 Tumulus11

. That's not Mr. Reagan - that's a zombie.

???

i thought for sure it was mr potato head!!!

24 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:14:32pm

re: #6 jamesfirecat

I can't bring myself to watch, what's the money quote/scene?

The money quote is curiously enough: Give me yo money.

25 Kragar  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:14:56pm

COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT!

The screaming guy at 44 seconds is wearing a Space Marine Helmet. WTF?

26 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:15:52pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

The money quote is curiously enough: Give me yo money.

Extraordinarily subtle, that.

27 engineer cat  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:16:27pm

re: #22 Ojoe

Terrible race baiting, he should be ashamed.

history lesson: in 1979, america was threatened by people in ghettos. then an old guy with a brown lumpy head made a speech. yay!!!!

28 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:17:30pm

I shudder to think what they will do with the Civil War.

29 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:17:42pm

Honestly, it's a right wing myth that American historical education is about "blaming America first." Huckabee, Barton, and others are so offended by the notion that as students of history we learn that our country has had some not so pleasant moments. That's not being anti-American. It's acknowledge the frigging facts. IF we don't know what maistakes in the past, we've made as a nation, how on earth will we learn from mistakes? And yes Barton and Huckabee we have made mistakes.

30 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:17:59pm

Gimme some money: the pre-disco version from Spinal Tap

31 Lidane  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:18:02pm

Whatever, Huckabee. I'll stick to Drunk History, thanks:

32 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:18:07pm

Hey Charles!

Minor bug/tech complaint, the videos keep coming unstuck and skipping threads when I go "back" to the home/main page from another thread or the lgf pages. This thread had the John McCain video from the next thread down until I refreshed the page.

This has been happening a lot lately (as in this has occurred 7 or 8 times to me now), but only when I use the back button to get to the home page, just thought you would want to know.

33 thatthatisis  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:18:17pm

I didn't see the whole clip. Did it include Reagan funding Osama Bin Laden?

34 Lidane  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:19:12pm

re: #29 HappyWarrior

Huckabee, Barton, and others are so offended by the notion that as students of history we learn that our country has had some not so pleasant moments. That's not being anti-American. It's acknowledge the frigging facts. IF we don't know what maistakes in the past, we've made as a nation, how on earth will we learn from mistakes? And yes Barton and Huckabee we have made mistakes.

Didn't you know? Facts have a liberal bias. We can't allow that. :-P

35 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:19:14pm

re: #31 Lidane

Whatever, Huckabee. I'll stick to Drunk History, thanks:

[Link: www.funnyordie.com...]

Drunk history is awesome. It's moving too. Hard not to tear up hearing the story of William Henry HArrison.

36 Ojoe  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:19:18pm

re: #28 Shiplord Kirel

Plenty of revisionist Civil War stuff out there already.

37 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:19:22pm

re: #33 thatthatisis

I didn't see the whole clip. Did it include Reagan funding Osama Bin Laden?

No, but it showed the spirit of Ronald Reagan guiding the hand of the seal who shot Bin Laden...

38 Ojoe  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:20:33pm

I would like to see a Huckabee - Chomsky cage fight.

39 Stanghazi  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:20:58pm

OT

pwire Taegan Goddard

Ethics report says Santorum tipped off Ensign that his former aide was talking to the media about the affair... [Link: pwire.at...]

40 windsagio  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:21:31pm

A few things:

1) Reagan looks like Obama in heavy make-up and a wig.
2) The Nazi Troops you see in the second video look like members of Devo.

41 Kragar  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:21:43pm

And the animation is crap.

42 windsagio  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:22:06pm

re: #39 Stanley Sea

what a huge surprise that they're all in it together ><

Corrupt bastards.

43 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:22:43pm

re: #40 windsagio

A few things:

1) Reagan looks like Obama in heavy make-up and a wig.
2) The Nazi Troops you see in the second video look like members of Devo.


Are we not Übermenschen?

44 darthstar  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:22:48pm

Hip hop, da hippity hop...I can rap like Sarah Palin!

Holy fuck, she's an asshole...citing a 32 year old rap song as evidence she's not anti-rap...

45 Lidane  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:23:34pm

re: #28 Shiplord Kirel

I shudder to think what they will do with the Civil War.

You mean the War of Northern Aggression led by that genocidal tyrant asshole Abe Lincoln? It's only the politically correct who want to say that it was about slavery. We all know Jefferson Davis was an enlightened man who saw the God-given states' rights to own black people and individual liberty except for slaves that we are entitled to in this country unless you're black, or Hispanic, or a woman, or gay, etc.

Why do you hate America?

/wingnut

46 thatthatisis  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:24:02pm

re: #39 Stanley Sea

OT

pwire Taegan Goddard

Ethics report says Santorum tipped off Ensign that his former aide was talking to the media about the affair... [Link: pwire.at...]

Continuing the OT: former Senator Ensign is in big trub trub.

47 windsagio  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:24:11pm

I'm not actually advocating doing this (lol stupid laws), but somebody should totally pirate all these and get them on the internet. We'd get years of video edited hilarirty at least through the election!

48 Kragar  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:24:48pm

re: #44 darthstar

Hip hop, da hippity hop...I can rap like Sarah Palin!

[Video]Holy fuck, she's an asshole...citing a 32 year old rap song as evidence she's not anti-rap...

They asked her which modern rap artist she listened too and she said "All of them."
/

49 windsagio  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:26:04pm

re: #44 darthstar

It's non threatening!

I think she should have gone for this: Watch out, John! She's still pissed!

50 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:26:25pm

That promo video was sickening, I assume they are aiming this at the Uber Christian branch of the home school market, who else would show their kids this crap?

51 Romantic Heretic  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:26:31pm

As I said in the other page, I watched about ninety seconds of the one on WWII. The number of historical inaccuracies in a single frame made my head explode.

I got better.

Seriously, this stuff is going to do enormous damage to far too many American kids understanding of history, and one is too many.

52 Batman  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:26:51pm

Chris Rodda has made a career, sort of, of tearing down and exposing Barton.

[Link: www.liarsforjesus.com...]

Great videos on there, too. People should be forced at gunpoint to watch her videos.

53 Kragar  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:27:22pm

And they totally ripped off a warhammer helmet design for their shitty animation.

[Link: www.google.com...]

54 BongCrodny  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:28:33pm

Ronald Reagan was elected President, and everybody lived happily ever after.

That's about what it boils down to, right?

55 Ojoe  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:29:12pm

re: #45 Lidane

"Lincoln started the Civil War & he was the worst president."

I've really heard that ...

56 windsagio  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:29:29pm

re: #53 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

animation isn't really that bad, the problem is the design :p

This is bad animation!

57 calochortus  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:29:36pm

The girl at about 0:32 nails it-"Oh no, it's bad. It's really bad".

58 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:30:25pm

Part of the problem they are going to run into is that America's children are now used to really good animation and voice acting.

59 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:30:29pm

re: #54 BongCrodny

Ronald Reagan was elected President, and everybody lived happily ever after.

That's about what it boils down to, right?

A later episode will give us the sad news that this only lasted until the libs came swarming up out of their communes and ghettos to revive communism and institute Shariah law.

60 windsagio  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:30:38pm

re: #55 Ojoe

Ther'es a whole book industry around that.. "The REAL Lincoln revealed!" The Amazon reviews are hilarious.

61 windsagio  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:30:56pm

re: #54 BongCrodny

Well forgetting the whole treason thing, but then everydbody does :D

62 Lidane  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:32:05pm

re: #55 Ojoe

"Lincoln started the Civil War & he was the worst president."

I've really heard that ...

Anyone who grew up in the South has heard that. It's been the neo-Confederate rallying cry for the last 150 years. Ron Paul and the rest of the glibertarians out there love to beat the drum about how Lincoln was a tyrant and the worst president ever.

63 Stanghazi  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:32:20pm

Extra Bonus Quote of the Day

"I know exactly where you are. I know exactly what you are doing. Put your pants on and go home."

-- Tim Coe, "spiritual adviser" to former Sen. John Ensign (R-NV), quoted in the Senate Ethics Committee report released today.

64 iossarian  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:33:01pm

re: #58 EmmmieG

Part of the problem they are going to run into is that America's children are now used to really good animation and voice acting.

This isn't aimed at kids. I mean, obviously they want kids to believe this crap too. But I think this particular effort is more to confirm the home-schooling parents' beliefs.

Are we really certain it isn't a spoof? I mean the WWII one is blatant: "pay no attention to the years between 1939 and 1942!".

At one point the girl even says "what we learn and what we believe aren't necessarily the same things and that's OK", if I heard correctly (which I may not have done as my brain was melting at the time).

65 windsagio  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:33:22pm

re: #62 Lidane

Also about how the war wasn't really about slavery.

re: #63 Stanley Sea


lol damn, where are you getting this stuff? The twitters?

66 Ojoe  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:34:00pm

re: #60 windsagio

Lincoln's actual contemporaries said of him that "his compassion was infinite."

There is quite a description of Lincoln toward the end of the book "Harper's Illustrated History of the Civil War," which is a contemporary account. Fairfax press reprinted it a number of years ago.

BBL

67 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:34:14pm

re: #39 Stanley Sea

OT

pwire Taegan Goddard

Ethics report says Santorum tipped off Ensign that his former aide was talking to the media about the affair... [Link: pwire.at...]

Maybe not OT after all. Will the Huck series have an episode on Hiking the Appalachian Trail? Or is that too recent?

68 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:34:18pm

re: #58 EmmmieG

Part of the problem they are going to run into is that America's children are now used to really good animation and voice acting.

Yep, this looks like something I would have watched in the early 90's. They're not going to get many kids to believe this. I am all for history education, after all this is my major but this is completely dishonest. I highly doubt they'll talk about glasnost and perestroika in the Reagan bit or Solidarity (since after all Mr. Barton thinks unions are un-biblical) or Pope John Paul II. It will just be REagan rode in on a white horse and saved the day.

69 Bulworth  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:34:34pm

I wonder if the learnourhistory history of the great and glorious war on terra will claim that W caught and killed OBL?

70 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:35:03pm

re: #69 Bulworth

I wonder if the learnourhistory history of the great and glorious war on terra will claim that W caught and killed OBL?

No, it was Zombie Reagan!

71 Lidane  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:35:13pm

re: #65 windsagio

Also about how the war wasn't really about slavery.

I love that bit of historical denial. It's especially hilarious when you look at the secession declarations from the Confederate states and they mention slavery as a reason for leaving the Union.

I guess Lincoln forged those documents too, on top of being a genocidal asshole and tyrant. :-P

72 windsagio  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:36:27pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

somebody already said this, but its not aimed at those kids really (and young kids will watch ANYTHING).

Its aimed at homeschool parents, many (I know we have some homeschoolers here don't wanna be too broad brush) try to keep TV out of the house entirely.

My aunt is a S.Baptist evangelical homeshooler, her kids basically saw nothing on TV but Veggietales for most of their childhoods.

73 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:36:56pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

Yep, this looks like something I would have watched in the early 90's. They're not going to get many kids to believe this. I am all for history education, after all this is my major but this is completely dishonest. I highly doubt they'll talk about glasnost and perestroika in the Reagan bit or Solidarity (since after all Mr. Barton thinks unions are un-biblical) or Pope John Paul II. It will just be REagan rode in on a white horse and saved the day.

We own the early 90's GI Joe.

Enough said.

(Except that, with enough explosions, your kids will forgive bad animation.)

74 Kragar  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:37:20pm

re: #72 windsagio

somebody already said this, but its not aimed at those kids really (and young kids will watch ANYTHING).

Its aimed at homeschool parents, many (I know we have some homeschoolers here don't wanna be too broad brush) try to keep TV out of the house entirely.

My aunt is a S.Baptist evangelical homeshooler, her kids basically saw nothing on TV but Veggietales for most of their childhoods.

Those poor kids.

75 BongCrodny  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:37:47pm

"He worked against communism and Hollywood."

Awesome.

76 windsagio  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:38:15pm

re: #71 Lidane

yup. Man, I can go on for hours on this subject lol. Part of the problem the south still has is that their cultural institutions still idolize the Antebellum south. They need to shed that if the ywant ot join the 20th century.

77 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:38:17pm

The thing neo-confederates are counting on when they debate you is that you don't know the history. My level of expertise as a history major isn't the civil war (20th centruy European history) but I know a bit about it since i've been reading about it for years since it fascinates me. What they don't tell you is that Jefferson Davis was seen as a tyrant by the governor of Georgia for making the central CSA government too powerful. And then there's Fort Pillow. Or the fact that 2/3's of the CSA states seceded before Lincoln even became president.

78 Kragar  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:38:22pm

re: #73 EmmmieG

We own the early 90's GI Joe.

Enough said.

(Except that, with enough explosions, your kids will forgive bad animation.)

All those explosions and they officially only killed one guy in the entire show.

79 calochortus  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:39:11pm

re: #77 HappyWarrior

Do not confuse them with facts.

80 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:39:55pm

re: #72 windsagio

somebody already said this, but its not aimed at those kids really (and young kids will watch ANYTHING).

Its aimed at homeschool parents, many (I know we have some homeschoolers here don't wanna be too broad brush) try to keep TV out of the house entirely.

My aunt is a S.Baptist evangelical homeshooler, her kids basically saw nothing on TV but Veggietales for most of their childhoods.

I did not own a TV while my kids were growing up. The only time they got to watch TV was when they visited Grandma and Grandpa.

I am proud to carry on that tradition with my own grandkids. Just as long as they remember to put the remote back where they found it.

81 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:39:57pm

re: #77 HappyWarrior

The main problem the South has with the Civil War is that they lost.

82 calochortus  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:40:05pm

re: #79 calochortus

"them" being the neo-Confederates.

83 windsagio  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:40:23pm

re: #77 HappyWarrior

The tool you need to destroy any and all neoconfederates.

They should seriously make that into a textbook.

84 engineer cat  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:41:12pm

re: #69 Bulworth

I wonder if the learnourhistory history of the great and glorious war on terra will claim that W caught and killed OBL?

i've already heard about how nixon's role in the vietnam war was that he ended it

um, well, yes, but have you heard about how nixon EXPANDED the war in vietnam first? no??? really???

85 windsagio  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:41:29pm

re: #80 Alouette

haha :D We were raised basically the same way, except we snuck some :D

but seriously that's what grandparents are for. That, and treats.

86 abbyadams  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:41:39pm

Well, if Huckabee is trying to finish off the GOP's chances of ever getting the youth vote, every again, then this is a win. Seriously, I don't know a self-respecting kid that wouldn't laugh their butt off at this.

87 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:41:42pm

re: #78 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

All those explosions and they officially only killed one guy in the entire show.

I was a fan of The A Team back in the 80s. My nominally intellectual friends were aghast. They just didn't get that it was a campy parody of action hero flicks, especially the Hollywood proclivity for scenes where the bad guys fire a million rounds and don't hit anyone.

88 windsagio  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:42:11pm

re: #84 engineer dog

I wanna see the nixon one cover bombings in cambodia and watergate >>

89 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:42:18pm

re: #83 windsagio

The tool you need to destroy any and all neoconfederates.

They should seriously make that into a textbook.

I need to read that. It would be a great companion for my Shelby Foote trilogy that I have on my bookshelf. MacPherson is great though. I remember reading his accounts of the battle when I used to get a book that described the batles of the war from the library as a kid.

90 windsagio  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:42:41pm

re: #86 abbyadams

trapped audiences with no access to real stuff... its a powerful way to get people.

91 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:43:14pm

re: #83 windsagio

The tool you need to destroy any and all neoconfederates.

They should seriously make that into a textbook.

That is the most awesome Civil War history ever! I also like the Shelby Foote 3-volume Narrative, but the problem with that is he doesn't use footnotes because he wanted to give it the flow of reading a novel.

The Ken Burns series is also great for those who don't have the patience to sit down and read a book.

92 windsagio  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:44:00pm

re: #89 HappyWarrior

its' great because it spends more time on the causes of the war than on the war itself. Amazing read. (Also the neoconfederates hate him so bad... the UDC still has a boycott of all his works :p)

93 albusteve  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:45:08pm

well tortilla dough is very similar to cocaine...isn't it?
[Link: latino.foxnews.com...]

94 Romantic Heretic  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:45:23pm

re: #77 HappyWarrior

The thing neo-confederates are counting on when they debate you is that you don't know the history. My level of expertise as a history major isn't the civil war (20th centruy European history) but I know a bit about it since i've been reading about it for years since it fascinates me. What they don't tell you is that Jefferson Davis was seen as a tyrant by the governor of Georgia for making the central CSA government too powerful. And then there's Fort Pillow. Or the fact that 2/3's of the CSA states seceded before Lincoln even became president.

This calls into my mind my thought that even had they won, the Confederacy was doomed.

It was founded on the principle, "If I don't wanna, I don't havta!" The first time that Georgia, say, and Alabama got into a difference of opinion about something and the Confederate government tried to solve it, one or both states would have flipped the Confederacy the bird and struck off on their own.

In a short time the South would have been as fragmented and politically weak as Germany in the Fifteenth and Sixteenth Centuries. That wasn't fun for Germany and it wouldn't for the South either.

95 BongCrodny  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:45:57pm

There's another one of those "Learn Our History" things on You Tube that offers up and ends with the following Reagan quote:

"A recession is when your neighbor loses his job. A depression is when you lose yours. A recovery is when Jimmy Carter loses his."


So, Huckabee's running against Jimmy Carter?

96 iossarian  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:47:27pm

re: #87 Shiplord Kirel

I was a fan of The A Team back in the 80s. My nominally intellectual friends were aghast. They just didn't get that it was a campy parody of action hero flicks, especially the Hollywood proclivity for scenes where the bad guys fire a million rounds and don't hit anyone.

My favorite A-Team cliche is the final explosion followed by bad guys exiting the building holding their heads.

MacGyver also goes in for this quite a bit.

97 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:48:03pm

re: #72 windsagio

somebody already said this, but its not aimed at those kids really (and young kids will watch ANYTHING).

Its aimed at homeschool parents, many (I know we have some homeschoolers here don't wanna be too broad brush) try to keep TV out of the house entirely.

My aunt is a S.Baptist evangelical homeshooler, her kids basically saw nothing on TV but Veggietales for most of their childhoods.

I hate to say it, but odds are they learned a better bit of Christianity from Veggietales than from too many other places. Their take on Jonah was actually pretty good.

98 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:49:06pm

re: #94 Romantic Heretic

This calls into my mind my thought that even had they won, the Confederacy was doomed.

It was founded on the principle, "If I don't wanna, I don't havta!" The first time that Georgia, say, and Alabama got into a difference of opinion about something and the Confederate government tried to solve it, one or both states would have flipped the Confederacy the bird and struck off on their own.

In a short time the South would have been as fragmented and politically weak as Germany in the Fifteenth and Sixteenth Centuries. That wasn't fun for Germany and it wouldn't for the South either.

THat's a really good point. Anyhow, from my understand, the governor of Georgia, Joseph Brown did not like the draft that Davis imposed on the CSA. From what I've read, he saw Davis as nothing better than a tyrant. Interesting analogy though to 15-16th century Germany. Not really something I know a lot about since most of my education in German history is post unifcation.

99 dragonfire1981  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:49:25pm

The hypocrisy of this is astounding. These are, after all, the same people who bitch and moan about the evils of indoctrination...

Is it really such a strange concept to teach kids unbiased basics and let them make up their own mind about stuff?

This country is seriously starting to scare me. We are destroying our future generations before they are even born.

100 windsagio  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:49:59pm

re: #97 wlewisiii

Its more about the high level of control. Now imagine a household where they replace Veggietales with these Huck things ><

101 abbyadams  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:50:02pm

re: #72 windsagio

I guess you're right, but most of the (age appropriate) homeschoolers in our area have smartphones and the like, and they would know that the animation on this is terrible. Even the animations on PBS are better.

102 windsagio  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:50:57pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

The south always suppressed dissent and controlled the press anyways. Strangely they weren't actually that big on freedom :p

103 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:51:25pm

re: #91 Alouette

The Ken Burns series is also great for those who don't have the patience to sit down and read a book.

I have spent less time reading lots of books than it takes to get through the Ken Burns documentary series...

104 windsagio  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:51:51pm

re: #101 abbyadams

Good looking models cost money, and that cuts into the bottom line!

105 Stanghazi  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:52:27pm

re: #65 windsagio

Also about how the war wasn't really about slavery.

re: #63 Stanley Sea

lol damn, where are you getting this stuff? The twitters?

Yep!

106 thatthatisis  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:52:40pm

re: #77 HappyWarrior

I did not know that 6 states seceeded before Lincoln was president. Thanks for that info.

Speaking of facts I never knew before - I just found out today that Newt Gingrich was born Newton McPherson. I find it totally amazing how many presidents / presidential candidates were born under different names. Clinton, Ford, and now Gingrich. If these ever come up in trivia games at the local bar, I'm set.

107 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:52:44pm

re: #93 albusteve

well tortilla dough is very similar to cocaine...isn't it?
[Link: latino.foxnews.com...]

Chimichangas are the equivalent of free-basing

108 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:52:54pm

re: #102 windsagio

The south always suppressed dissent and controlled the press anyways. Strangely they weren't actually that big on freedom :p

Yep, well that and their economy was based on the principle that it was okay to own another human being. Did any of you lal ever see CSA? The mockmuentary about what would happened if the South had won the Civil War. I found that interesting.

109 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:53:00pm

re: #100 windsagio

Its more about the high level of control. Now imagine a household where they replace Veggietales with these Huck things ><

Oh, I understand your complaint, just noting that, ironically, Veggietales may well subvert what they're being taught elsewhere.

110 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:54:36pm

re: #106 thatthatisis

I did not know that 6 states seceeded before Lincoln was president. Thanks for that info.

Speaking of facts I never knew before - I just found out today that Newt Gingrich was born Newton McPherson. I find it totally amazing how many presidents / presidential candidates were born under different names. Clinton, Ford, and now Gingrich. If these ever come up in trivia games at the local bar, I'm set.

Hopefully we won't have to hear about Newt as a president for trivia :). But yeah, I think Gingrich was the last name of his mother's second husband since I believe she divorced Newt's father.

111 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:55:07pm

We have no TV in our house, just videos. My Baptist mother-in-law gave the kids several Veggie Tales and Storykeepers DVD's. But they get a good dose of critical thinking from their dad to counter it all.

112 Lidane  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:56:27pm

re: #107 ralphieboy

Chimichangas are the equivalent of free-basing

And sopapillas are the equivalent of crack, especially if they're dusted in cinnamon sugar and you have plenty of honey on the side. :D

113 windsagio  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:56:52pm

re: #111 ralphieboy

It's funny 'cuz I totally understand wanting to control media input.

And indoctrination might as well be synonimous (sp) with raising your kids.

It's just painful when you seeing it go wrong. Seeing kids raised as young earth creationists is a stab directly into the brain.

114 Stanghazi  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:57:21pm

re: #93 albusteve

well tortilla dough is very similar to cocaine...isn't it?
[Link: latino.foxnews.com...]

Wow.

115 wrenchwench  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:57:46pm

re: #112 Lidane

And sopapillas are the equivalent of crack, especially if they're dusted in cinnamon sugar and you have plenty of honey on the side in the middle. :D


FTFMe.

Omnomnom.

116 engineer cat  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:57:50pm

ConocoPhillips, one of the world’s largest and most profitable oil companies, yesterday said it’s "Un-American" to take away taxpayer subsidies from the oil industry.

um, could the democratic party please emulate the political effectiveness of the republican party noise machine for once and PLASTER THIS ALL OVER THE MEDIA UNTIL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE RISE UP IN INDIGNATION????

no?

oh

ok

117 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:57:58pm

re: #113 windsagio

It's just painful when you seeing it go wrong. Seeing kids raised as young earth creationists is a stab directly into the brain.

They somehow think this is going to give their kids an advantage in later life?

118 funky chicken  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:58:11pm

No way, no how, not enough money on earth to make me watch that. Sorry, but I'm gonna go with ignorance.

119 wrenchwench  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:58:51pm

re: #118 funky chicken

No way, no how, not enough money on earth to make me watch that. Sorry, but I'm gonna go with ignorance.

That would be true if you watched it, too.

120 windsagio  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:59:10pm

re: #117 ralphieboy

It will Save their Souls! (TM)

(also, OT... it surprises me that Charles is a NIN fan. For some reason I don't see 'the downward spiral' as being his kind of music)

121 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:59:18pm

My personal opinion is that Veggietales are excellent.

I really like the tale of Madame Blueberry, and how she learned to be grateful for what she had instead of trying to find happiness by buying things.

My kids could quote the Silly Songs all day long.

122 windsagio  Thu, May 12, 2011 12:59:32pm

re: #118 funky chicken

its actually kind of entertaining to watch, if in that bad way.

123 albusteve  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:00:20pm

re: #118 funky chicken

No way, no how, not enough money on earth to make me watch that. Sorry, but I'm gonna go with ignorance.

I have a very low curiosity threshold myself....there is no point to even more of the same lunacy...ho hum

124 funky chicken  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:00:29pm

re: #111 ralphieboy

We have no TV in our house, just videos. My Baptist mother-in-law gave the kids several Veggie Tales and Storykeepers DVD's. But they get a good dose of critical thinking from their dad to counter it all.

A lot of the Veggie Tales are funny and do teach moral lessons, and the songs are kinda catchy.

And I'm agnostic, so the whole "morals come from God" thing is a little tiresome, but no huge problem. I have no idea what Storykeepers are though.

125 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:00:47pm

re: #117 ralphieboy

They somehow think this is going to give their kids an advantage in later life?

Reading over Spongebob Squarepants?

Has my vote.

126 Lidane  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:01:15pm

re: #115 wrenchwench

FTFMe.

Omnomnom.

Hehe. That too. I said on the side, because I dip them in honey as I go. It's a sticky mess to eat that way, but I love it.

OM NOM NOM indeed. :D

127 funky chicken  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:01:49pm

re: #122 windsagio

its actually kind of entertaining to watch, if in that bad way.

Hmmm. Maybe if the MST 3000 guys did something with them...

128 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:02:41pm

re: #114 Stanley Sea

Wow.

Indeed. Who knew there was such a thing as "Fox News Latino"?

129 funky chicken  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:03:07pm

re: #125 EmmmieG

Reading over Spongebob Squarepants?

Has my vote.

Oh, I loves me some SpongeBob. But my kids read way above grade level too.

I think my fave is the "iron butt" episode, because I'm kinda overprotective, so it lets me laugh at myself.

130 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:04:01pm

re: #124 funky chicken

A lot of the Veggie Tales are funny and do teach moral lessons, and the songs are kinda catchy.

And I'm agnostic, so the whole "morals come from God" thing is a little tiresome, but no huge problem. I have no idea what Storykeepers are though.

My neo-Baptist grandkids have done the total world of VeggieTales. Not the biggest of my agnostic concerns.

131 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:05:09pm

Oh. My. God. I had heard about this but hadn't worked up the courage to watch. I just did. while eating lunch.

132 BongCrodny  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:05:25pm

re: #118 funky chicken

No way, no how, not enough money on earth to make me watch that. Sorry, but I'm gonna go with ignorance.


Ironically, if you watch it you'll also be going with ignorance.

133 albusteve  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:05:34pm

re: #128 Slumbering Behemoth

Indeed. Who knew there was such a thing as "Fox News Latino"?

your fair and balanced window into Hispania

134 BongCrodny  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:06:47pm

re: #119 wrenchwench

That would be true if you watched it, too.

re: #132 BongCrodny

Ironically, if you watch it you'll also be going with ignorance.


Damn.

135 windsagio  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:08:11pm

re: #125 EmmmieG

that's kinda a weird dichotomy :p

136 Bulworth  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:09:08pm

I can't watch the video at work, so what happens after the black kid says "Gimme yo money"?

1. Charlton Heston pulls out his NRA gun and shoots him?
2. He gets chastized by a televangelist who says only preachers can ask for money?
3. Other

137 Ojoe  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:10:08pm

re: #83 windsagio

The tool you need to destroy any and all neoconfederates.

They should seriously make that into a textbook.

The book "The Killer Angles"

and the movie Gettysburg, made from it, are pretty good for that too.

138 windsagio  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:11:08pm

re: #136 Bulworth

It cuts away, you have to pay to see that part!

also I just realized that on the little map they show, iran was apparently part of the USSR, as was China... and Vietnam.

139 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:11:42pm

re: #135 windsagio

that's kinda a weird dichotomy :p

Things kids could be doing with non-school time:

Watching good media (We're fond of the Nottingham periodic table video here, although I think my boys would now like me to get some Cadbury eggs for them to abuse. Watch the videos, and that sentence makes sense.)

Watch mediocre media

Watch poorly done media

Read

Play outside

Build things with building-type toys

Make a mess of the kitchen cooking something

Bicker with their brothers

Arts & crafts (which I'll have to clean up)

Now, which one of these is quiet, does not make a mess, doesn't leave me tearing out my hair, and makes me feel like I'm doing my job?

140 windsagio  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:12:37pm

re: #137 Ojoe

On the subject, one of my friends' dads (WUB knows him too) is a Civil War scholar, he's writing another book (because we need more civil war texts!!!) but his premise, if stated differently, is that the south never had a chance of winning no matter what.

141 Lidane  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:13:12pm

re: #129 funky chicken

Oh, I loves me some SpongeBob. But my kids read way above grade level too.

I think my fave is the "iron butt" episode, because I'm kinda overprotective, so it lets me laugh at myself.

My favorite is the marching band episode:

[Link: spongebob.nick.com...]

A close second is the one where they bring Texas to Sandy:

[Link: spongebob.nick.com...]

142 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:13:15pm
143 wrenchwench  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:13:20pm

re: #134 BongCrodny

re: #132 BongCrodny


Damn.

Note: fewer words = faster posting!

144 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:13:43pm

re: #138 windsagio

It cuts away, you have to pay to see that part!

also I just realized that on the little map they show, iran was apparently part of the USSR, as was China... and Vietnam.

No, they are all part of the "red" communist world.

I am still trying to figure out who the random blond shooter was supposed to be. Any help here?

145 Ojoe  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:14:19pm

re: #140 windsagio

No, the South had no chance of winning, it was on the wrong side of God's plan, if you will. Funny how the revisionists are often "religious."

146 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:14:40pm

re: #144 EmmmieG

No, they are all part of the "red" communist world.

I am still trying to figure out who the random blond shooter was supposed to be. Any help here?

given the fucked up take on history shown here I am guessing it's the guy who shot raygun

147 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:14:59pm

re: #139 EmmmieG

Things kids could be doing with non-school time:

Watching good media (We're fond of the Nottingham periodic table video here, although I think my boys would now like me to get some Cadbury eggs for them to abuse. Watch the videos, and that sentence makes sense.)

Watch mediocre media

Watch poorly done media

Read

Play outside

Build things with building-type toys

Make a mess of the kitchen cooking something

Bicker with their brothers

Arts & crafts (which I'll have to clean up)

Now, which one of these is quiet, does not make a mess, doesn't leave me tearing out my hair, and makes me feel like I'm doing my job?

They right answer is not the best answer. I vote for 'Build things with the most age-appropriate power tools".

148 Ojoe  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:15:31pm

re: #136 Bulworth

2. He gets chastized by a televangelist who says only preachers can ask for money?


ROFLMAO

149 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:15:35pm

re: #145 Ojoe

No, the South had no chance of winning, it was on the wrong side of God's plan, if you will. Funny how the revisionists are often "religious."

So god changed his mind? Because I recall the south claiming god ordained slavery...

150 Ojoe  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:16:46pm

re: #147 Decatur Deb

Yes, build something. Exciting would be good, or better yet, exciting + dangerous, like an airplane.

151 sattv4u2  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:16:47pm

re: #140 windsagio

On the subject, one of my friends' dads (WUB knows him too) is a Civil War scholar, he's writing another book (because we need more civil war texts!!!) but his premise, if stated differently, is that the south never had a chance of winning no matter what.

I'm writing one also

Being a Civil War buff since childhood and after having lived in the north for decades and now in the south for over a decade, after exhaustive research I have discovered that the war was really not about slavery, nor states rights

no no, my friend,, it's because the north wanted to abolish Hoop Skirts!!

[Link: www.google.com...]

152 windsagio  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:16:48pm

re: #139 EmmmieG

I'm not sure what point you're arguing, to be honest :p

or what you're arguing against maybe

153 Ojoe  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:17:17pm

re: #149 Dreggas

A mis-interpretation as it turned out.

154 windsagio  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:17:43pm

re: #146 Dreggas

I was thinking that too, but it has a specific time/date stamp (September 1980, New Hampshire). I'm guessing they made up ANOTHER assassination attempt, just 'cuz

155 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:18:34pm

re: #150 Ojoe

Yes, build something. Exciting would be good, or better yet, exciting + dangerous, like an airplane.

At some age, a catapult is the optimum project. Teaches History, Physics, Ballistic Math, and sometimes Biology and Medicine.

156 Ojoe  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:19:53pm

re: #155 Decatur Deb

There is a book "Backyard Ballistics." My kids have a copy.

157 Four More Beers  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:19:57pm

Damn libruls on this site never give Reagan credit for nutin'.

158 windsagio  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:20:30pm

re: #157 Kid A

I'm more than nappy to give him credit for Iran-Contra :D

159 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:20:44pm

re: #156 Ojoe

There is a book "Backyard Ballistics." My kids have a copy.

Will check for the grand-girls.

160 windsagio  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:21:01pm

re: #158 windsagio

and if you get me drunk I start to believe that he made a deal to delay the hostage releases. I have to be pretty drunk tho ><

161 Amory Blaine  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:21:26pm

Holy shit man. As far as these people are going the next cultural pushback will make the 60s look pretty pale.

162 makeitstop  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:21:32pm

re: #142 Dreggas

ConocoPhillips exec grilled for calling anyone who wanted to end oil subsidies "Un-american".

"Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) repeatedly pressed ConocoPhillips CEO Jim Mulva on this point..."

Wasn't that guy in a Seinfeld episode?

163 sattv4u2  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:21:32pm

re: #155 Decatur Deb

At some age, a catapult is the optimum project. Teaches History, Physics, Ballistic Math, and sometimes Biology and Medicine.

And how to bop your little brother in the head from 100 yards away

164 windsagio  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:22:37pm

re: #161 Amory Blaine

they're dying off tho'... we're seeing the last gasps.

Its more 'boomers and pre-boomers still fighting over Vietnam' crap. But that well's done gone dry.

165 Four More Beers  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:23:28pm

re: #33 thatthatisis

I didn't see the whole clip. Did it include Reagan funding Osama Bin Laden?

No, and it left out the part where Reagan made abortion legal in California as Governor, and gave illegals "amnesty" in 1986. Reagan Conservatives!!!
//

166 Bulworth  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:23:49pm

re: #36 Ojoe

Plenty of revisionist Civil War stuff out there already.

I think this explains a lot of why our politics and economics are so dysfunctional. After the Civil War there was about 100 years of historical and cultural revisionism on this subject that made the South out to be some sort of noble victim, and the country acted as if slavery had never happened, or at least certainly not in Christian America. It was really only the advent of the Civil Rights Movement and the destruction of segregation that began to challenge this 100 year disinformation campaign.

Not coincidentally, the conservative narrative of American history identifies the 1960's when Civil Rights protests and political action began taking shape, as the period when "everything began to go wrong" in our culture and country, etc.

167 Four More Beers  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:23:59pm

re: #158 windsagio

I'm more than nappy to give him credit for Iran-Contra :D

War on Drugs!
/

168 Four More Beers  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:25:49pm

re: #166 Bulworth

I think this explains a lot of why our politics and economics are so dysfunctional. After the Civil War there was about 100 years of historical and cultural revisionism on this subject that made the South out to be some sort of noble victim, and the country acted as if slavery had never happened, or at least certainly not in Christian America. It was really only the advent of the Civil Rights Movement and the destruction of segregation that began to challenge this 100 year disinformation campaign.

Not coincidentally, the conservative narrative of American history identifies the 1960's when Civil Rights protests and political action began taking shape, as the period when "everything began to go wrong" in our culture and country, etc.

The Founders banned slavery!!! Didn't you see my speech??!!"

-History Professor Michelle Bachmann

169 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:26:55pm

re: #133 albusteve

There is a local, free, weekly, Latino-centric newpaper in my neck of the woods that I like to pick up. I find it offers a unique take on a lot of the things that I wouldn't otherwise get, not being a member of the Latino community myself.

170 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:31:37pm

[Link: www.cnn.com...]
OT but I am sure many have taken an interest in this story. This case and others like it are a reminder that the Holocaust wasn't that long ago.

171 Kragar  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:36:21pm

I just fired off an email to GW letting them know that Huckabee was using their intellectual property in his videos.

172 abolitionist  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:38:01pm

re: #28 Shiplord Kirel

I shudder to think what they will do with the Civil War.

Probably blame it on Lincoln. He was a Republican, after all. Oh wait..

173 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:38:54pm

re: #171 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Huh?

174 Kragar  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:45:27pm

re: #173 Slumbering Behemoth

Huh?

Some of their shitty animation uses stuff they stole from another company's designs.

175 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:48:06pm

re: #174 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Okay, I see it now. You mean Games Workshop. For some reason I was thinking "George W".

Anyhow, yeah. That's definitely a Space Marine helmet. Lazy on their part, but oddly fitting.

176 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 12, 2011 1:51:04pm

Killgore, you here?

My Drunk Kitchen, Episode 5.

177 martinsmithy  Thu, May 12, 2011 2:01:31pm

This makes the right-wing Bible that was put out recently look sane in comparison.

178 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, May 12, 2011 2:04:35pm

"and then Saint Reagan used his massive tax cuts for the wealthy to ensure prosperity in this country. He tried and tried to explain to the poor and minimum wage workers that only by cutting the taxes of the wealthy could money be freed to build new factories and create new jobs. But they held evil in their hearts and did not believe him!

So then in his second term Saint Reagan reduced the withholding from these peoples paychecks, but did not reduce their taxes. 'Look' they cried 'my take home pay has increased by sixteen dollars a week, praise Saint Reagan!' On April 15th, the day of reckoning with the vast and evil Federal government these same people were heard to wail, yea, even unto Washington the very seat of inequity. 'What? I owe money? how did that happen' they all exclaimed, for Saint Reagan had cleverly fooled them into thinking that they were paying less merely because he took less each week.

/not quite as funny when you were there and know that it is factual...

179 Romantic Heretic  Thu, May 12, 2011 2:07:36pm

re: #140 windsagio

On the subject, one of my friends' dads (WUB knows him too) is a Civil War scholar, he's writing another book (because we need more civil war texts!!!) but his premise, if stated differently, is that the south never had a chance of winning no matter what.

Just finished a book that said the South could have won, if they had seceded ten years earlier.

The Civil War was the first modern war. In the early 1850s the huge web of railroads that gave the North a huge advantage didn't exist. Nor had the manufacturing, another source of strength, really taken off. The change in demographics, which gave the North such an advantage in manpower, hadn't kicked in yet. Plus rifled arms weren't in wide use.

I tend to agree with the writer. It's still just a game of 'what if?' though.

180 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, May 12, 2011 2:12:55pm

re: #140 windsagio

On the subject, one of my friends' dads (WUB knows him too) is a Civil War scholar, he's writing another book (because we need more civil war texts!!!) but his premise, if stated differently, is that the south never had a chance of winning no matter what.

The Southern States at Fort Sumter made the same mistake the Japanese did at Pearl Harbor. They opened fire. And given the economic disparity the outcome from there was almost predestined. Adding to it a galvanizing event that was essentially going to ensure the United States would not easily give up on the issue.

181 funky chicken  Thu, May 12, 2011 5:36:05pm
182 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 12, 2011 7:15:21pm

Did they actually mean to make Reagan look that terrifying? I mean, the voice is gentle, but the teeth and cheekbones are...I don't remember the man as looking that much like a carnivorous rhino.

183 jbryan  Thu, May 12, 2011 7:37:02pm

re: #116 engineer dog

ConocoPhillips, one of the world’s largest and most profitable oil companies, yesterday said it’s "Un-American" to take away taxpayer subsidies from the oil industry.

um, could the democratic party please emulate the political effectiveness of the republican party noise machine for once and PLASTER THIS ALL OVER THE MEDIA UNTIL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE RISE UP IN INDIGNATION???

no?

oh

ok

If they had that capability, they would've done the same thing with Rand Paul claiming it was unAmerican for the president to attack BP while oil was still gushing into the Gulf of Mexico.

184 renata39.5  Thu, May 12, 2011 9:42:22pm

re: #101 abbyadams

So true. I was actually watching this and thinking about how much better Liberty's Kids is. This is really terrible. I can't imagine any but the most sheltered of homeschooled kids I know giving it a second of their time.


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