GOP Medicare Meltdown Watch

Gingrich takes one sane position, and this is his reward
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The Republican Party is in the midst of glorious meltdown over Paul Ryan’s bizarre, heartless plan to kill Medicare, as South Carolina Tea Party Governor Nikki Haley blasts Newt Gingrich over his criticism of Ryan’s “budget.”

Dallas (CNN) - Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich might not want to count on a presidential endorsement from South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley.

In an interview with CNN Tuesday, Haley sharply admonished Gingrich for his comments over the weekend disparaging the Medicare plan proposed by House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan as “radical change” and “right-wing social engineering.”

The remarks opened a floodgate of conservative criticism, with elite opinion writers on down to Iowa voters accusing Gingrich of throwing his own party under the bus and making it easier for Democrats to attack the Ryan plan.

Haley, whose promise to endorse a presidential candidate has made her a key power broker in the Republican primary fight, joined in the chorus Tuesday and said she is “terribly disappointed” in Gingrich.

“What he said was absolutely unfortunate,” Haley told CNN in a phone interview. “Here you’ve got Representative Ryan trying to bring common sense to this world of insanity, and Newt absolutely cut him off at the knees.”

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384 comments
1 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:29:29am

Fiscal conservatism!
Newt Owed Over $250,000 To Tiffany’s Jewelers In 2006

The liability was reported in the range of $250,001 to $500,000.

2 jamesfirecat  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:31:34am

“Here you’ve got Representative Ryan trying to bring common sense to this world of insanity,”

“But I don’t want to go among mad people!” Protested Alice.

“I’m afraid we’re all mad here.” Replied the Cheshire Cat.

3 Varek Raith  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:32:50am

re: #1 Killgore Trout

Fiscal conservatism!
Newt Owed Over $250,000 To Tiffany’s Jewelers In 2006

How else could he get the girl???
/…?

4 Sinistershade  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:33:12am

It’s a scary world when Newt Gingrich becomes the voice of reason.

5 lawhawk  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:34:02am

re: #3 Varek Raith

Go Lightly.

6 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:34:42am

re: #4 Sinistershade

It’s a scary world when Newt Gingrich becomes the voice of reason.

He’s just trying to set himself apart from the other candidates.

7 Simply Sarah  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:34:52am

I’m not really sure what Newt has been angling for the last few weeks/months. He seems to be intent on turning anyone and everyone off from him by thrashing all over the place and making statements that will really annoy at least one block of potential voters. Maybe he thinks low score wins?

8 Four More Tears  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:35:22am

re: #4 Sinistershade

It’s a scary world when Newt Gingrich becomes the voice of reason.

No need to worry. Newt’s opinions come with the ability to change direction by up to 180 degrees at any moment.

9 zora  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:35:35am

thinkprogress.org

VIDEO: Iowa Voter to Newt Gingrich: ‘Why Don’t You Get Out Before You Make A Bigger Fool Of Yourself’

Yesterday, Newt Gingrich made his first trip to Iowa. From the looks of it, he did not receive a warm reception. Shortly after his arrival he was confronted by a Republican voter who was quite upset that Gingrich described the GOP budget plan as “right-wing social engineering” and “radical.”

10 Interesting Times  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:36:02am

re: #8 JasonA

No need to worry. Newt’s opinions come with the ability to change direction by up to 180 degrees at any moment.

Newt was for insurance mandates before he was against them before he was for them before he was against them again

11 Varek Raith  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:36:51am
12 zora  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:36:51am

Michael Steele Defends Newt Gingrich On Ryan Plan, Suggests GOP Critics Are Being Hypocritical

thinkprogress.org

defense from michael steele. ha!

14 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:37:23am

So Newt should just go out and say he suffers from Political Tourettes.

//

15 Locker  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:38:06am

Even the Republican constituents are freaking out over this one. How will the populists survive???

16 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:38:22am

re: #12 zora

Michael Steele Defends Newt Gingrich On Ryan Plan, Suggests GOP Critics Are Being Hypocritical

[Link: thinkprogress.org…]

defense from michael steele. ha!

“THE BOX, MICHAEL! DO YOU WANT TO GO BACK IN THE BOX?”

17 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:38:31am

re: #9 zora

[Link: thinkprogress.org…]

VIDEO: Iowa Voter to Newt Gingrich: ‘Why Don’t You Get Out Before You Make A Bigger Fool Of Yourself’

It illustrates the core of the problem. The GOP base is going to force candidates to embrace Ryan’s disastrous and unpopular budget. They are screwing themselves.

18 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:40:49am

Perhaps Newt has figured out that Medicare recipients vote?

19 jamesfirecat  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:41:36am

re: #15 Locker

Even the Republican constituents are freaking out over this one. How will the populists survive???

///Maybe they could try voting for people who actually would enact plans that would economically benefit them…

20 Varek Raith  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:42:16am

re: #18 EmmmieG

Perhaps Newt has figured out that Medicare recipients vote?

21 iossarian  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:44:29am

re: #18 EmmmieG

Perhaps Newt has figured out that Medicare recipients vote?

And, more subtly, that some of them aren’t comfortable with the idea of protecting themselves while screwing their kids over?

22 jaunte  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:44:50am

re: #1 Killgore Trout

Fiscal conservatism!
Newt Owed Over $250,000 To Tiffany’s Jewelers In 2006

Now I’ve got “Diamonds are a Newt’s Best Friend” stuck in my head.

23 Lidane  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:44:55am

re: #4 Sinistershade

It’s a scary world when Newt Gingrich becomes the voice of reason.

Except that Newt is now blaming the media, saying they took him out of context.

24 makeitstop  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:46:16am

re: #7 Simply Sarah

I’m not really sure what Newt has been angling for the last few weeks/months. He seems to be intent on turning anyone and everyone off from him by thrashing all over the place and making statements that will really annoy at least one block of potential voters. Maybe he thinks low score wins?

He’s been out of the game too long. Lost his instincts, such as they were.

25 iossarian  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:46:34am

re: #23 Lidane

Except that Newt is now blaming the media, saying they took him out of context.

Love the featured comment:

I didn’t realize recording devices had a liberal bias.

26 Lidane  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:46:49am

re: #17 Killgore Trout

It illustrates the core of the problem. The GOP base is going to force candidates to embrace Ryan’s disastrous and unpopular budget. They are screwing themselves.

Good. Let them screw themselves over by forcing a candidate to embrace all their idiocy, then have that candidate lose. It would serve them right.

27 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:47:31am

re: #17 Killgore Trout

It illustrates the core of the problem. The GOP base is going to force candidates to embrace Ryan’s disastrous and unpopular budget. They are screwing themselves.

When your opponent is making a mistake, you let him.

28 RIRedinPA  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:48:35am

re: #21 iossarian

Some of them…

29 zora  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:48:53am

the media tricked him, don’tcha know:

Aside from the YouTube statement, Gingrich appeared on Mike Gallagher’s Salem Radio show and blamed the media for the dust-up, claiming the press was trying to pit him against Ryan.

“If you’re a conservative, you’d better expect gotcha press, and they took dramatically out-of-context what I said, and tried to make it, dramatically, into a fight between Paul Ryan and me,” he said. “I don’t have a fight with Paul Ryan. We would approach Medicare differently. I don’t think that’s a fight.”

Read more: politico.com

not even wingnuts believe that.

30 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:49:55am

Have you ever watched Windows try to run a program several times larger than available RAM and the room left on the HDD is the minimum size required by the paging file? It’s like the HDD light is on, but nobody is home.

That is what today’s politics reminds me of.

31 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:50:07am

re: #29 zora

the media tricked him, don’tcha know:

Read more: [Link: www.politico.com…]

not even wingnuts believe that.

“Bitch set me up.”

32 lawhawk  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:53:35am

re: #31 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Newt is no Marion Barry.

And neither of them is Rick James.

33 Summer Seale  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:58:45am

re: #30 b_sharp

Have you ever watched Windows try to run a program several times larger than available RAM and the room left on the HDD is the minimum size required by the paging file? It’s like the HDD light is on, but nobody is home.

That is what today’s politics reminds me of.

I wish I could upding you +100 for that one. =)

34 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:58:50am

re: #32 lawhawk

Newt is no Marion Barry.

And neither of them is Rick James.

Picturing Rick James saying “UNITY” as he punches Newt and leaves an imprint of his ring on Newt’s forehead.

36 Winny Spencer  Tue, May 17, 2011 11:59:41am
37 Simply Sarah  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:00:33pm

re: #36 Winny Spencer

Romney: One-day money haul brings in over $10 million

I never doubted him.

Ron Paul raised a bunch of money in one day, too. I’m not inclined to read much into this.

38 Varek Raith  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:01:20pm

re: #36 Winny Spencer

Romney: One-day money haul brings in over $10 million

I never doubted him.

He’s screwed with the religious right.
They don’t like Mormons.

39 Lidane  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:02:23pm

re: #38 Varek Raith

He’s screwed with the religious right.
They don’t like Mormons.

He’s also screwed with the people who hate him for Romneycare.

The WSJ has been ripping him a new one lately for refusing to apologize for health care. So have the howler monkeys on the right.

40 engineer cat  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:03:06pm

Teabaggists Reveal Determination To Make The GOP Insane Or Kill It

Stuck between the Tea Party and a hard place

The private April 25 meeting was convened by the Speaker of the House of Representatives at the request of Tea Party leaders, who were seething over recent Republican compromises, most notably on the 2011 budget.

One of the 25 or so leaders, all from Boehner’s district, asked him if Republicans would raise America’s $14.3 trillion debt limit. According to half a dozen attendees interviewed by Reuters, the most powerful Republican in Washington said “yes.”

“And we’re going to have to raise it again in the future,” he added. With the mass retirement of America’s Baby Boomers, he explained, it would take 20 years to balance the U.S. budget and 30 years after that to erase the nation’s huge fiscal deficit.

That answer incensed many of the Tea Party activists, for whom raising the debt limit is anathema. “You could have knocked me out of my chair,” said Denise Robertson, a computer programer who belongs to the Preble County Liberty Group. “Fifty years?”

She said “my fantasy now” is someone will challenge Boehner in the 2012 Republican primaries. “If we could find someone good to run against him, I’d campaign for them every day,” Robertson said.

“I am sick of the tears,” she added, a sarcastic reference to Boehner’s famous propensity to cry. “I want results.”

Fed up with “broken promises,” some Tea Party activists have already moved beyond the fantasy stage and aim to “primary” Republicans who have let them down — that is, challenge them in primaries. Some talk of long-shot attempts to unseat leaders like House Majority Whip Eric Cantor.

Just how bad is the divide between the Tea Party and the Republican establishment? “Could the Tea Party harm the Republicans?” said Stuart Rothenberg of the Rothenberg Political Report. “If it pushes too hard then it could fracture the Republican Party.”

For some people on the ground like Colleen Conley of the Rhode Island Tea Party, a bit of party fracturing might not be a bad idea.

“If the Republicans can’t come through on their promises,” she said, “maybe the party needs to be blown up.”

death by “primarying” - something like “fragging”

41 recusancy  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:03:20pm

re: #38 Varek Raith

He’s screwed with the religious right.
They don’t like Mormons.

I have no knowledge on this so I’m really curious to see if you, and everybody who keeps saying this, will be right.

42 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:03:24pm

re: #35 Varek Raith

Santorum Says McCain (Who Was Tortured) Doesn’t Understand How Torture Works

Thats like saying Santorum doesn’t understand frothy discharges.

43 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:04:53pm

re: #41 recusancy

I have no knowledge on this so I’m really curious to see if you, and everybody who keeps saying this, will be right.

Evangelicals consider Mormonism a cult.

44 zora  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:05:30pm

re: #35 Varek Raith

Santorum Says McCain (Who Was Tortured) Doesn’t Understand How Torture Works

his support of torture does not seem consistent with his devote catholicism. ( i may be wrong i’m not catholic) lets see if his communion is withheld as it has been for pro-choice politicians.

45 recusancy  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:05:56pm

re: #43 Walter L. Newton

Evangelicals consider Mormonism a cult.

But is that feeling prevalent enough to lose him the primary?

46 RIRedinPA  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:06:03pm

re: #35 Varek Raith

Official Catholic Church position on torture, it’s is intrinsically evil…

Torture which uses physical or moral violence to extract confessions, punish the guilty, frighten opponents, or satisfy hatred is contrary to respect for the person and for human dignity.

Anyone want to bet a dollar no Catholic priest will deny Santorum communion based on his torture position…

47 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:06:11pm

re: #45 recusancy

But is that feeling prevalent enough to lose him the primary?

Google it… yes.

48 Locker  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:06:27pm

re: #19 jamesfirecat

///Maybe they could try voting for people who actually would enact plans that would economically benefit them…

Why would they do that when there are much louder voices screaming “GOD!” and “AMERICA!” and “GAYS ARE EVIL”. Who could possibly vote for something practical when there is so much red meat to be had?

50 celticdragon  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:07:07pm

re: #35 Varek Raith

Santorum Says McCain (Who Was Tortured) Doesn’t Understand How Torture Works

Frothy anal lube man thinks Jesus would torture would torture Muslims.

I guess.
/

51 zora  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:07:07pm

re: #41 recusancy

it’s a cult to them.

52 RIRedinPA  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:07:23pm

re: #40 engineer dog

Burn baby, burn

53 Lidane  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:07:53pm

re: #41 recusancy

I have no knowledge on this so I’m really curious to see if you, and everybody who keeps saying this, will be right.

Just look at his 2008 primary results. It’s no accident that he did poorly in Southern states, which are heavily evangelical:

en.wikipedia.org

54 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:08:04pm

re: #51 zora

it’s a cult to them.

Don’t they have another 300’ tall statue of Jesus to build or something?

55 Simply Sarah  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:08:20pm

re: #46 RIRedinPA

Official Catholic Church position on torture, it’s is intrinsically evil…

Torture which uses physical or moral violence to extract confessions, punish the guilty, frighten opponents, or satisfy hatred is contrary to respect for the person and for human dignity.

Anyone want to bet a dollar no Catholic priest will deny Santorum communion based on his torture position…

The modern Catholic Church effectively has a dual system for sins. At the top is abortion (Actually doing it, supporting it being legal, etc.). Below that is everything else.

56 engineer cat  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:08:28pm

Wall St Journal Editorial Reveals Utter Cluelessness of GOP on Ryan Plan by Explaining How “Reasonable” it is

Mr. Gingrich’s charge of radicalism is false in any case. Mr. Ryan is proposing a “premium support” model for Medicare of the kind that already governs health plans for federal workers and public employees in California and other states. The government would pay a set annual fee (starting at $15,000 per senior and rising with inflation) to private Medicare plans that would then compete to attract seniors. With consumers paying the marginal costs of their own care, providers and insurers will begin to compete on price and quality.

insurers, you see, are just dying to “compete” to provide the most excellent bargain!

57 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:09:07pm

re: #38 Varek Raith

He’s screwed with the religious right.
They don’t like Mormons.

Which is ironic, considering that he’s a teetotaling, non-swearing, church-going, bible-reading, faithful husband kind of guy.

(We do, however, listen to rock music and dance.)

58 Four More Tears  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:09:56pm

re: #57 EmmmieG

Which is ironic, considering that he’s a teetotaling, non-swearing, church-going, bible-reading, faithful husband kind of guy.

(We do, however, listen to rock music and dance.)

Do you drink pop?

59 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:10:25pm

re: #41 recusancy

I have no knowledge on this so I’m really curious to see if you, and everybody who keeps saying this, will be right.

Mormons, Seventh Day Adventist, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Scientology and the Unification Church are considered cults by many evangelicals.

60 celticdragon  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:10:36pm

re: #41 recusancy

I have no knowledge on this so I’m really curious to see if you, and everybody who keeps saying this, will be right.

My parents are evangelical Christians and they loathe Mormonism. The church I was raised in considers it to be a Satanic inspired cult, and my parents will never vote for any Mormon.

61 jamesfirecat  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:10:43pm

re: #40 engineer dog

Teabaggists Reveal Determination To Make The GOP Insane Or Kill It

Stuck between the Tea Party and a hard place

The private April 25 meeting was convened by the Speaker of the House of Representatives at the request of Tea Party leaders, who were seething over recent Republican compromises, most notably on the 2011 budget.

One of the 25 or so leaders, all from Boehner’s district, asked him if Republicans would raise America’s $14.3 trillion debt limit. According to half a dozen attendees interviewed by Reuters, the most powerful Republican in Washington said “yes.”

“And we’re going to have to raise it again in the future,” he added. With the mass retirement of America’s Baby Boomers, he explained, it would take 20 years to balance the U.S. budget and 30 years after that to erase the nation’s huge fiscal deficit.

That answer incensed many of the Tea Party activists, for whom raising the debt limit is anathema. “You could have knocked me out of my chair,” said Denise Robertson, a computer programer who belongs to the Preble County Liberty Group. “Fifty years?”

She said “my fantasy now” is someone will challenge Boehner in the 2012 Republican primaries. “If we could find someone good to run against him, I’d campaign for them every day,” Robertson said.

“I am sick of the tears,” she added, a sarcastic reference to Boehner’s famous propensity to cry. “I want results.”

Fed up with “broken promises,” some Tea Party activists have already moved beyond the fantasy stage and aim to “primary” Republicans who have let them down — that is, challenge them in primaries. Some talk of long-shot attempts to unseat leaders like House Majority Whip Eric Cantor.

Just how bad is the divide between the Tea Party and the Republican establishment? “Could the Tea Party harm the Republicans?” said Stuart Rothenberg of the Rothenberg Political Report. “If it pushes too hard then it could fracture the Republican Party.”

For some people on the ground like Colleen Conley of the Rhode Island Tea Party, a bit of party fracturing might not be a bad idea.

“If the Republicans can’t come through on their promises,” she said, “maybe the party needs to be blown up.”

death by “primarying” - something like “fragging”

Clearly we’re at the part of the movie where the monster turns upon the scientist who created it.

SED-A-GIVE?

62 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:10:57pm

re: #58 JasonA

Do you drink pop?

Only when he is rendered down to a fine whine.

63 celticdragon  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:11:29pm

re: #45 recusancy

But is that feeling prevalent enough to lose him the primary?

Just see what happens with the SoCons in Ohio and South Carolina.

64 RIRedinPA  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:11:31pm

re: #55 Simply Sarah

Way at the bottom is shagging young boys…

One f’d up institution…I left years ago and have never looked back…

65 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:11:32pm

re: #58 JasonA

Do you drink pop?

Personally? No. I eat so many sweets that I need to cut back somewhere.

Other Mormons do, although many try to avoid caffeinated pop.

66 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:11:51pm

re: #59 Walter L. Newton

Mormons, Seventh Day Adventist, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Scientology and the Unification Church are considered cults by many evangelicals.

Notto mention the papist Whore of Babylon.

67 Lidane  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:12:02pm

re: #51 zora

it’s a cult to them.

Case in point:

Anti-Islam Pastor: Glenn Beck’s Jerusalem Rally Is A ‘Scam’ By A ‘Mormon Cult Member’

That attitude is very prevalent in the evangelical South.

68 recusancy  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:12:05pm

re: #63 celticdragon

Just see what happens with the SoCons in Ohio and South Carolina.

Is that were your parents are located?

69 Winny Spencer  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:12:10pm

re: #57 EmmmieG

Which is ironic, considering that he’s a teetotaling, non-swearing, church-going, bible-reading, faithful husband kind of guy.

(We do, however, listen to rock music and dance.)

I’m hesitant to trust any grown man who doesn’t drink coffee. Apart from that, I love Mittens.

70 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:12:42pm

re: #66 Decatur Deb

Notto mention the papist Whore of Babylon.

Professional Escort of Persian Descent, if you please.

71 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:12:55pm

re: #57 EmmmieG

Which is ironic, considering that he’s a teetotaling, non-swearing, church-going, bible-reading, faithful husband kind of guy.

(We do, however, listen to rock music and dance.)

If you consider the Osmonds music and dance.

72 recusancy  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:13:13pm

re: #69 Winny Spencer

I’m hesitant to trust any grown man who doesn’t drink coffee. Apart from that, I love Mittens.

Obama stopped drinking it when he started running for office. It makes you too jittery and up and downy when you need to be steady all the time.

73 engineer cat  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:13:42pm

ryan “defends” his plan:

And if I could sum up that disagreement in a couple of sentences, I would say this: Our plan is to give seniors the power to deny business to inefficient providers.

so, seniors are supposed to threaten them by saying “lower your prices or i will eat catfood to pay for my own treatments!!!”???

74 Simply Sarah  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:13:44pm

re: #64 RIRedinPA

Way at the bottom is shagging young boys…

One f’d up institution…I left years ago and have never looked back…

My feeling is that the top leadership is simply too insular and detached from, well, the real world. It’s very much an ivory tower built-in blinders.

76 engineer cat  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:14:30pm

re: #59 Walter L. Newton

Mormons, Seventh Day Adventist, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Scientology and the Unification Church are considered cults by many evangelicals.

episcopalians are considered atheists by some evangelicals that i’ve met

77 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:14:52pm

re: #72 recusancy

Obama stopped drinking it when he started running for office. It makes you too jittery and up and downy when you need to be steady all the time.

OMG!!1!! Obama is a Muslim Mormon!

78 celticdragon  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:14:58pm

re: #68 recusancy

Is that were your parents are located?

Nope. California.

They attend a small, very conservative evangelical church though. My mother told me on the phone she could never vote for Romney because of his Mormonism. I guess that whole “No religious test” thing about public service just flew right out the window.

79 Lidane  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:14:58pm

re: #73 engineer dog

so, seniors are supposed to threaten them by saying “lower your prices or i will eat catfood to pay for my own treatments!!!”???

Pretty much, yeah. Didn’t you know that the free market solves everything?

///

80 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:15:41pm

re: #72 recusancy

Obama stopped drinking it when he started running for office. It makes you too jittery and up and downy when you need to be steady all the time.

After 5 years of avoiding coffee, I just recently took it up again. I’m hoping the up and downy of the coffee will be out of phase with my natural up and downy.

81 recusancy  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:16:01pm

re: #75 Killgore Trout

Jon Stewart And Bill O’Reilly Debate Common’s White House Appearance (VIDEO)

“If I’m the president and I’m booking my own poetry slams, throw me out of office,” Stewart said. He asked O’Reilly to do something that would really honor police officers and push to reinstate the ban on assault weapons instead of “wasting your time” on Common.

82 Varek Raith  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:16:10pm

re: #57 EmmmieG

Which is ironic, considering that he’s a teetotaling, non-swearing, church-going, bible-reading, faithful husband kind of guy.

(We do, however, listen to rock music and dance.)

Yeah, but…
YOU ALL DON’T DRINK COFFEE!
That’s so wrong!
/

83 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:16:24pm

re: #66 Decatur Deb

Notto mention the papist Whore of Babylon.

In modern times, The Catholic Church has not been looked on as a cult by mainstream evangelical denominations. Where you will find believers classifying them as a cult will be in the independent identity congregations… such as the Covenant movements, the Anglo-Israeli movements, Brethren movements etc. And in pseudo-religious-political movements like the Jahists, the KKK and other white-identity movements.

84 celticdragon  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:17:45pm

re: #76 engineer dog

episcopalians are considered atheists by some evangelicals that i’ve met

We are actually going backwards from Enlightenment thought on religion in the public square.

Romney’s father was a Mormon, and nobody gave a shit in the 1960’s about that.

Now, the Evangelical right wing is beginning to demand religious requirements for public office (like they tried to do here in North Carolina last year…)

85 Simply Sarah  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:18:23pm

re: #83 Walter L. Newton

In modern times, The Catholic Church has not been looked on as a cult by mainstream evangelical denominations. Where you will find believers classifying them as a cult will be in the independent identity congregations… such as the Covenant movements, the Anglo-Israeli movements, Brethren movements etc. And in pseudo-religious-political movements like the Jahists, the KKK and other white-identity movements.

And from everyone’s favorite religious comic creator, Jack Chick!

86 celticdragon  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:19:08pm

re: #83 Walter L. Newton

In modern times, The Catholic Church has not been looked on as a cult by mainstream evangelical denominations. Where you will find believers classifying them as a cult will be in the independent identity congregations… such as the Covenant movements, the Anglo-Israeli movements, Brethren movements etc. And in pseudo-religious-political movements like the Jahists, the KKK and other white-identity movements.

Many mainstream Baptists consider Catholicism to be a cult, unfortunately.

87 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:19:39pm

re: #83 Walter L. Newton

In modern times, The Catholic Church has not been looked on as a cult by mainstream evangelical denominations. Where you will find believers classifying them as a cult will be in the independent identity congregations… such as the Covenant movements, the Anglo-Israeli movements, Brethren movements etc. And in pseudo-religious-political movements like the Jahists, the KKK and other white-identity movements.

My Baptist mother-in-law made furtive glances for my horns and tail. Of course I was a Yankee as well as a Catholic then.

88 celticdragon  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:19:39pm

re: #85 Simply Sarah

And from everyone’s favorite religious comic creator, Jack Chick!

Don’t get me started…

89 Romantic Heretic  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:20:10pm

re: #56 engineer dog

Wall St Journal Editorial Reveals Utter Cluelessness of GOP on Ryan Plan by Explaining How “Reasonable” it is

Mr. Gingrich’s charge of radicalism is false in any case. Mr. Ryan is proposing a “premium support” model for Medicare of the kind that already governs health plans for federal workers and public employees in California and other states. The government would pay a set annual fee (starting at $15,000 per senior and rising with inflation) to private Medicare plans that would then compete to attract seniors. With consumers paying the marginal costs of their own care, providers and insurers will begin to compete on price and quality.

insurers, you see, are just dying to “compete” to provide the most excellent bargain!

Only as long as there is a profit in it. Whaddaya wanna bet the insurers will start investing big in funeral services if Ryan’s plan comes to pass?

Semi /

91 Four More Tears  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:21:23pm

This clip brings me to tears.

92 Lidane  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:21:40pm

re: #86 celticdragon

Many mainstream Baptists consider Catholicism to be a cult, unfortunately.

Yep. I grew up Catholic and remember getting Chick tracts at Halloween as a kid telling me that I was doomed to Hell for being Catholic.

I don’t have any use for religion anymore, but that kind of idiocy sticks with you.

93 Winny Spencer  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:21:55pm

re: #83 Walter L. Newton

In modern times, The Catholic Church has not been looked on as a cult by mainstream evangelical denominations. Where you will find believers classifying them as a cult will be in the independent identity congregations… such as the Covenant movements, the Anglo-Israeli movements, Brethren movements etc. And in pseudo-religious-political movements like the Jahists, the KKK and other white-identity movements.

And by John Hagee.

94 celticdragon  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:22:06pm

re: #89 Romantic Heretic

Only as long as there is a profit in it. Whaddaya wanna bet the insurers will start investing big in funeral services if Ryan’s plan comes to pass?

Semi /

Big investments in Ralston Purina also, since seniors will be eating dogfood like you saw back in the late 70’s in order to afford their medical premiums…
/(semi)

95 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:22:13pm

re: #86 celticdragon

Many mainstream Baptists consider Catholicism to be a cult, unfortunately.

That is not a doctrinal position among American Baptist denominations. Yes, I have met Baptist who believe Catholicism to be a cult, but it is not an issue taught in publications and religious classes. The groups I mentioned above actually teach that the Catholics are a satanic cult.

96 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:22:39pm

re: #87 Decatur Deb

My Baptist mother-in-law made furtive glances for my horns and tail. Of course I was a Yankee as well as a Catholic then.

My father was on Temple Square back in the early 60’s when a couple approached him and asked if he could point out Mormons so they could see their horns.

I had kind of hoped that that had passed.

97 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:23:25pm

re: #95 Walter L. Newton

That is not a doctrinal position among American Baptist denominations. Yes, I have met Baptist who believe Catholicism to be a cult, but it is not an issue taught in publications and religious classes. The groups I mentioned above actually teach that the Catholics are a satanic cult.

And I’ll add, not EVERY Baptist church is connected to a Baptist convention. You can find rogue teaching and pastors in any denomination.

98 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:24:13pm

re: #96 EmmmieG

My father was on Temple Square back in the early 60’s when a couple approached him and asked if he could point out Mormons so they could see their horns.

I had kind of hoped that that had passed.

How did Mormons get horns? Did they breed with Jews?
/

99 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:24:18pm

re: #97 Walter L. Newton

And I’ll add, not EVERY Baptist church is connected to a Baptist convention. You can find rogue teaching and pastors in any denomination.

Yeah—they need a pope.

100 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:24:49pm

re: #98 Alouette

How did Mormons get horns? Did they breed with Jews?
/

I was going to say something about that.

I think that recycling stuff was easier than thinking up new stuff.

101 makeitstop  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:24:57pm

re: #91 JasonA

This clip brings me to tears.

[Video]

Newt’s wife is the very model of a political wife. I try not to judge based upon looks, but she couldn’t possibly look more fake to me.

102 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:25:15pm

re: #99 Decatur Deb

Yeah—they need a pope.

Bottom line is, a Mormon WILL find push back from far right evangelicals… he is not considered a Christian by these people.

103 celticdragon  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:25:29pm

re: #95 Walter L. Newton

That is not a doctrinal position among American Baptist denominations. Yes, I have met Baptist who believe Catholicism to be a cult, but it is not an issue taught in publications and religious classes. The groups I mentioned above actually teach that the Catholics are a satanic cult.

You haven’t been to many Baptist services, I take it…since that is a doctrinal position at many Baptist churches.

I can’t speak for what is being taught at the independent and Calvanist seminaries that supply Evangelical and Baptist churches (like Pacific Christian College, etc), but I suspect that anti Catholic dogma is emerging there.

104 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:25:38pm

re: #46 RIRedinPA

Official Catholic Church position on torture, it’s is intrinsically evil…

Torture which uses physical or moral violence to extract confessions, punish the guilty, frighten opponents, or satisfy hatred is contrary to respect for the person and for human dignity.

Anyone want to bet a dollar no Catholic priest will deny Santorum communion based on his torture position…

No, I don’t.

105 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:25:48pm

re: #101 makeitstop

Newt’s wife is the very model of a political wife. I try not to judge based upon looks, but she couldn’t possibly look more fake to me.

Don’t lie… yes you will.

106 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:26:09pm

re: #98 Alouette

How did Mormons get horns? Did they breed with Jews?
/

I blame Michaelangelo.

Image: michelangelo_moses1.jpg

107 makeitstop  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:26:19pm

re: #105 Walter L. Newton

Don’t lie… yes you will.

Well, I just did, so you’re right.

108 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:27:29pm

re: #103 celticdragon

You haven’t been to many Baptist services, I take it…since that is a doctrinal position at many Baptist churches.

I can’t speak for what is being taught at the independent and Calvanist seminaries that supply Evangelical and Baptist churches (like Pacific Christian College, etc), but I suspect that anti Catholic dogma is emerging there.

I was married for 15 years to a Baptist and her uncle was a pastor. I was married in a Baptist church by her uncle. Southern Baptist convention. Don’t tell me what I have or haven’t done.

109 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:27:32pm
110 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:27:47pm

re: #106 Decatur Deb

I blame Michaelangelo.

Image: michelangelo_moses1.jpg

How come he sculpted Moses with horns but not David?

111 Simply Sarah  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:28:30pm

re: #110 Alouette

How come he sculpted Moses with horns but not David?

Was there a confused translation stating David had horns too?

112 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:28:31pm

re: #54 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Don’t they have another 300’ tall statue of Jesus to build or something?

I stayed at a motel in Mexico down the hill from a statue of Jesus—not quite 300 feet, I don’t think, but large. It had a red light attached to the head so low-flying aircraft would see it.

113 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:28:41pm

The unfunded (no money set aside for) liability for medicare, medicaid, and social security is approximately 92 trillion dollars between now and 2050 according to the GAO. Forget worrying about the national debt of 14 trillion we already owe, worry about how we are supposed to cover an additional 90 trillion in social spending when we already owe 14 trillion (and will owe considerably more by then).

Social security, medicaid, and medicare simply cannot be supported as they are, they can’t be. Sooner or later someone is going to have to bring up a way to either fund this obligation or limit/curtail it.

The sooner someone starts talking about realistic ways to do this the better, does everyone pay higher taxes and assessments now, do we increase taxes on the higher income earners, do we work out a way to limit benefits?

The point is that something MUST change, either you can keep denying that and get run over by necessity or acknowledge it and work towards keeping the changes in the best public interest.

Denying any changes is not a workable strategy, there must be, or else America must default on it’s debts.

114 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:29:07pm

re: #110 Alouette

How come he sculpted Moses with horns but not David?

Mistranslation of a text that described Moses as being adorned with “rays (horns) of light”.

115 Bulworth  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:29:21pm

So the Democratic individual mandates for presently uncovered folks and regional insurance exchanges are “radical” and “left-wing social engineering” but Republican Medicare vouchers are “common sense”. Sure, Nikky, whatever you say.

116 allegro  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:29:25pm

re: #101 makeitstop

Newt’s wife is the very model of a political wife. I try not to judge based upon looks, but she couldn’t possibly look more fake to me.

Good lord, what is that on her head? She could survive a direct hit from a brick dropped a 100 feet up.

117 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:29:38pm

re: #57 EmmmieG

Which is ironic, considering that he’s a teetotaling, non-swearing, church-going, bible-reading, faithful husband kind of guy.

(We do, however, listen to rock music and dance.)

Like I always say—from a complete outsiders perspective, Mormons look just like Evangelical Christians, with superclean living and a few extra prophets.

I get the impression that from INSIDE the issues are different.

118 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:30:26pm

re: #70 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Professional Escort of Persian Descent, if you please.

Shouldn’t that be ‘Iraqi Descent’?

119 recusancy  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:31:35pm

re: #113 ausador

The unfunded (no money set aside for) liability for medicare, medicaid, and social security is approximately 92 trillion dollars between now and 2050 according to the GAO. Forget worrying about the national debt of 14 trillion we already owe, worry about how we are supposed to cover an additional 90 trillion in social spending when we already owe 14 trillion (and will owe considerably more by then).

Social security, medicaid, and medicare simply cannot be supported as they are, they can’t be. Sooner or later someone is going to have to bring up a way to either fund this obligation or limit/curtail it.

The sooner someone starts talking about realistic ways to do this the better, does everyone pay higher taxes and assessments now, do we increase taxes on the higher income earners, do we work out a way to limit benefits?

The point is that something MUST change, either you can keep denying that and get run over by necessity or acknowledge it and work towards keeping the changes in the best public interest.

Denying any changes is not a workable strategy, there must be, or else America must default on it’s debts.

Who’s denying anything?? Democrats have about a bazillion plans to fix medicare and social security. Ryan’s plan doesn’t fix it. It destroys it.

120 makeitstop  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:31:44pm

re: #112 SanFranciscoZionist

I stayed at a motel in Mexico down the hill from a statue of Jesus—not quite 300 feet, I don’t think, but large. It had a red light attached to the head so low-flying aircraft would see it.

Currently giggling at the thought of Blinking-Head Jesus.

121 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:31:44pm

re: #118 SanFranciscoZionist

Shouldn’t that be ‘Iraqi Descent’?

I think its based off of region and not necessarily nationality.

122 celticdragon  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:32:16pm

re: #97 Walter L. Newton

And I’ll add, not EVERY Baptist church is connected to a Baptist convention. You can find rogue teaching and pastors in any denomination.



Check this out. 1st Baptist is the biggest church in Jacksonville Fl (and when I lived there, half of the city council were parishioners. They used the fire marshal to try to shut down a local game store because of “Satanic live action role playing games)

Jim Smyrl is the “Executive-Pastor of Education” at the 28,000-member First Baptist Church of Jacksonville, Florida. FBC Jacksonville is the third-largest church in the Southern Baptist Convention and one of the largest megachurches in America. As Executive -Pastor of Education, Smyrl is no lowly staff member. He’s been dubbed “Second in Command” at FBC as Pastor Mac Brunson’s “right-hand man.”

Over on the Official Blog of FBC Jacksonville, has announced a series of upcoming posts on the “Catholic Cult.”

This series will examine the cultish nature of Catholicism. The primary reasons we are unwilling to consider Catholicism as a cult include: we have good friends that are Catholics, the history of the Catholicism makes it difficult to perceive them as a cult since most people view cults as quick up starts with a charismatic leader, and the lack of understanding of the one true grid by which to measure the validity of a movement.

Why even address the issue of Catholicism? Doesn’t such a critical view of a particular religious group bring greater division among moral people in a society? Won’t I have a difficult time witnessing to Catholics if we refer to them as a cult? All are questions that represent a myriad of interrogatives that will no doubt be leveled against this series. However, isn’t it the historical precedence of evangelicals, coming from a biblical mandate (I John 4:1-3), to examine the culture, even religious groups, under the light of Scripture? And how will you ever lead a Catholic out of his sin and into the only sufficient grace of Christ if you do not clearly point out his sin? Surely we do not believe that we can lead anyone to Christ by generalizing or minimizing his sin.

123 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:32:23pm

re: #100 EmmmieG

I was going to say something about that.

I think that recycling stuff was easier than thinking up new stuff.

Which is why you see all this crap about halal going around. It’s pretty much exactly the crap that’s been going around about kashrut since 1200.

124 celticdragon  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:32:52pm

re: #108 Walter L. Newton

I was married for 15 years to a Baptist and her uncle was a pastor. I was married in a Baptist church by her uncle. Southern Baptist convention. Don’t tell me what I have or haven’t done.

Fair enough…but check out what others have been up to…

125 lawhawk  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:34:25pm

re: #110 Alouette

Moses came down from Mt. Sinai with a glorified/radiant look to him - from being in the presence of G-d. The translation that Michelangelo used from the Vulgate bible translated glorified/radiant into horns.

There wasn’t a similar passage for David, so no horns there.

But the Jews and horns thing persisted anyways. Bigots and anti Semites will glom on to anything that confirms their view, even when it’s based on incorrect interpretation.

126 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:35:28pm

re: #122 celticdragon

I say it again… it is not doctrine as set forth by the Southern Baptist Convention. Yes, I said above, I’ve seen rogue pastors teach this, and I have met congregation members who still believe this, mainly a hold over from teachings 200 years ago.

And personally, I don’t give a shit. Since I think all religion is a bunch of bunk. I’m just relating facts.

127 engineer cat  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:35:46pm

re: #113 ausador

The unfunded (no money set aside for) liability for medicare, medicaid, and social security is approximately 92 trillion dollars between now and 2050 according to the GAO

medicare and medicaid are more difficult, but the problems with ss financing could easily be solved by raising the cap on ss contributions from the current first $106,500 of income to the first $150,000 of income

keep in mind that after 2040 ss problems will ease as us baby boomers will be dying

Forget worrying about the national debt of 14 trillion we already owe

14 trillion is a lot of money, but we have been accumulating a huge national debt for decades and it has never been paid down. why act like we have to start paying it now?

128 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:35:57pm

re: #123 SanFranciscoZionist

Which is why you see all this crap about halal going around. It’s pretty much exactly the crap that’s been going around about kashrut since 1200.

There is this huge billboard in Dearborn advertising “halal” marshmallows. I mean, of all the most useless food, marshmallows has to top the list. I still remember the “kosher for Passover” marshmallows they used to sell 40 years ago.

Maybe, like Twinkies, marshmallows never decay. I mean, they are an ingredient in Twinkies, aren’t they? Maybe they just took a bunch of those kosher marshmallows and stuck them into a “halal” package.

129 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:36:53pm

re: #128 Alouette

There is this huge billboard in Dearborn advertising “halal” marshmallows. I mean, of all the most useless food, marshmallows has to top the list. I still remember the “kosher for Passover” marshmallows they used to sell 40 years ago.

Maybe, like Twinkies, marshmallows never decay. I mean, they are an ingredient in Twinkies, aren’t they? Maybe they just took a bunch of those kosher marshmallows and stuck them into a “halal” package.

I still like the Spiral cut hams being marked as “Perfect for Passover.”

130 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:37:03pm

re: #110 Alouette

How come he sculpted Moses with horns but not David?

Because Moses’ horns are specifically referred to in the text. The Vulgate gives Exodus 34:29 as Moses’ face being ‘horned’, rather than ‘radiant’ from having spoken to God.

They’re translating ‘keren’ as ‘horn’ rather than ‘ray’.

Michaelangelo’s work may have led to the general Jews have horns nonsense, but he himself didn’t believe that—he’d met Jews. He was trying to show details from the Bible as he read it.

Apparently the statue was wildly popular with the Jews of Rome in the 1500s, who would walk to see it on Shabbat.

The real question is why Michaelangelo’s David didn’t have a bris.

/

131 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:38:20pm

re: #124 celticdragon

Fair enough…but check out what others have been up to…

And where did I suggest that this hasn’t come up in Baptist circles? I said above I’ve seen this issue being tossed around. But if you know anything about the history of religious denominations, you will know that these sort of beliefs by protestant denominations are a throwback to a couple of centuries ago. Yes, there are remnants of it in mainstream protestant churches, but it is no longer a doctrinal position, set down in writing, taught as fact.

132 martinsmithy  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:38:50pm

I’m enjoying the GOP meltdown over medicare as much as anybody, but medicare itself is slowly melting down, and is unsustainable with current revenues and levels of service provided. The most recent trustee’s report states that the trust fund will not have sufficient funds to pay expenses starting in 2024.

To make medicare solvent on a long-term basis again, we must either:

1. Raise taxes, or

2. Reduce services.

The Republicans have found out how toxic option 2 is. I fear the Democrats, if they proposed a tax increase to pay for medicare, would find out how toxic option 1 is.

133 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:39:04pm

re: #130 SanFranciscoZionist

Because Moses’ horns are specifically referred to in the text. The Vulgate gives Exodus 34:29 as Moses’ face being ‘horned’, rather than ‘radiant’ from having spoken to God.

They’re translating ‘keren’ as ‘horn’ rather than ‘ray’.

Michaelangelo’s work may have led to the general Jews have horns nonsense, but he himself didn’t believe that—he’d met Jews. He was trying to show details from the Bible as he read it.

Apparently the statue was wildly popular with the Jews of Rome in the 1500s, who would walk to see it on Shabbat.

The real question is why Michaelangelo’s David didn’t have a bris.

/

Another mistranslation. You’ll notice his ‘schling’ is cut.

134 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:39:08pm

re: #128 Alouette

There is this huge billboard in Dearborn advertising “halal” marshmallows. I mean, of all the most useless food, marshmallows has to top the list. I still remember the “kosher for Passover” marshmallows they used to sell 40 years ago.

Maybe, like Twinkies, marshmallows never decay. I mean, they are an ingredient in Twinkies, aren’t they? Maybe they just took a bunch of those kosher marshmallows and stuck them into a “halal” package.

They use pork gelatin in a lot of packaged desserts in England. On the strange day when a young woman in hijab accidentally stole my groceries off a bus in London, I was thankful I’d checked carefully.

135 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:39:48pm

re: #119 recusancy

Who’s denying anything?? Democrats have about a bazillion plans to fix medicare and social security. Ryan’s plan doesn’t fix it. It destroys it.

HAhahahahahahaha…gasp…hahahahahahahahahahahaha…wheeze…*wipes tears* away. OK how about you link me to one realistic democratic plan by a member of the House or Senate to “fix” social security? Just one…

(note plans to cut a few billions do not count when triillions have to be cut/raised)

136 jamesfirecat  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:40:33pm

re: #132 martinsmithy

I’m enjoying the GOP meltdown over medicare as much as anybody, but medicare itself is slowly melting down, and is unsustainable with current revenues and levels of service provided. The most recent trustee’s report states that the trust fund will not have sufficient funds to pay expenses starting in 2024.

To make medicare solvent on a long-term basis again, we must either:

1. Raise taxes, or

2. Reduce services.

The Republicans have found out how toxic option 2 is. I fear the Democrats, if they proposed a tax increase to pay for medicare, would find out how toxic option 1 is.

The Overton Window in America is fucked up when asking people to give a litlte more money to the government so that it can take care of us when we’re old and unable to look out for ourselves is considered a “toxic” option.

137 celticdragon  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:41:05pm

re: #126 Walter L. Newton

I say it again… it is not doctrine as set forth by the Southern Baptist Convention. Yes, I said above, I’ve seen rogue pastors teach this, and I have met congregation members who still believe this, mainly a hold over from teachings 200 years ago.

And personally, I don’t give a shit. Since I think all religion is a bunch of bunk. I’m just relating facts.

This isn’t a few “rogue” no-name pastors. This is a fairly common trend in the Baptist movement and it is being propagated by major players. I don’t care either, but you are understating the case.

138 elizajane  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:42:19pm

re: #44 zora

his support of torture does not seem consistent with his devote catholicism. ( i may be wrong i’m not catholic) lets see if his communion is withheld as it has been for pro-choice politicians.


Santorum is right in line with the Catholic church of the 16th century. Torture like you wouldn’t believe. Read the accounts and gag.

He, like the rest of his party, wants to take America back. In his case, back to the Inquisition.

139 engineer cat  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:43:02pm

re: #132 martinsmithy

I’m enjoying the GOP meltdown over medicare as much as anybody, but medicare itself is slowly melting down, and is unsustainable with current revenues and levels of service provided. The most recent trustee’s report states that the trust fund will not have sufficient funds to pay expenses starting in 2024.

To make medicare solvent on a long-term basis again, we must either:

1. Raise taxes, or

2. Reduce services.

The Republicans have found out how toxic option 2 is. I fear the Democrats, if they proposed a tax increase to pay for medicare, would find out how toxic option 1 is.

canada is doing much better since the single payer mechanism enables to excercise an option 3: control costs. yet, bush’s medicare drug benefit explicitly forbids the federal government from negotiating drug prices with pharmaceutical manufacturers

this fact alone has greatly aggravated medicare financing problems

the first priority in fixing medicare finances should be to repeal this provision

140 celticdragon  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:43:07pm

re: #131 Walter L. Newton

And where did I suggest that this hasn’t come up in Baptist circles? I said above I’ve seen this issue being tossed around. But if you know anything about the history of religious denominations, you will know that these sort of beliefs by protestant denominations are a throwback to a couple of centuries ago. Yes, there are remnants of it in mainstream protestant churches, but it is no longer a doctrinal position, set down in writing, taught as fact.

My spouse and I have heard and seen it taught as fact….in Baptist churches.

Don’t tell me what I have or haven’t done, eh?

141 Simply Sarah  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:43:26pm

re: #135 ausador

HAhahahahahahaha…gasp…hahahahahahahahahahahaha …wheeze…*wipes tears* away. OK how about you link me to one realistic democratic plan by a member of the House or Senate to “fix” social security? Just one…

(note plans to cut a few billions do not count when triillions have to be cut/raised)

You talk as if this is all money that needs to be raised tomorrow and there is zero expected income to the program in the future. If you feel the Democrats haven’t offered any solutions, fine, but at least be honest about the problem.

142 allegro  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:44:00pm

re: #132 martinsmithy

I’m enjoying the GOP meltdown over medicare as much as anybody, but medicare itself is slowly melting down, and is unsustainable with current revenues and levels of service provided. The most recent trustee’s report states that the trust fund will not have sufficient funds to pay expenses starting in 2024.

To make medicare solvent on a long-term basis again, we must either:

1. Raise taxes, or

2. Reduce services.

The Republicans have found out how toxic option 2 is. I fear the Democrats, if they proposed a tax increase to pay for medicare, would find out how toxic option 1 is.

How about option 3? Make Medicare available to all. Negotiate pricing with pharma and other medical providers to bring down prices.

There ya go.

143 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:44:28pm

re: #135 ausador

Gee, I got downdings instead of links to a democratic plan* to fix the unfunded obligations, who’d of thought?

(* since no such plan exists, I’d have thunk it. :p)

144 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:44:39pm

re: #137 celticdragon

This isn’t a few “rogue” no-name pastors. This is a fairly common trend in the Baptist movement and it is being propagated by major players. I don’t care either, but you are understating the case.

Maybe I’ve been removed from the mainstream too long. I’m talking about 35 years ago. And I have heard the “catholic cult” floating around in almost every denomination, but I never found it to be taught as a doctrinal point, as it was a couple of centuries ago.

If it’s a trend, then it’s making it’s rounds again and gaining traction.

145 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:45:24pm

re: #140 celticdragon

My spouse and I have heard and seen it taught as fact…in Baptist churches.

Don’t tell me what I have or haven’t done, eh?

Sorry.

146 goddamnedfrank  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:45:35pm

re: #135 ausador

HAhahahahahahaha…gasp…hahahahahahahahahahahaha …wheeze…*wipes tears* away. OK how about you link me to one realistic democratic plan by a member of the House or Senate to “fix” social security? Just one…

(note plans to cut a few billions do not count when triillions have to be cut/raised)

Here you go. Bill proposed to remove SS salary cap on contributions.

147 recusancy  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:47:20pm

re: #135 ausador

HAhahahahahahaha…gasp…hahahahahahahahahahahaha …wheeze…*wipes tears* away. OK how about you link me to one realistic democratic plan by a member of the House or Senate to “fix” social security? Just one…

(note plans to cut a few billions do not count when triillions have to be cut/raised)

How to fix Social Security in one graph

A Progressive Framework for Social Security Reform (PDF)

Why Social Security Isn’t a Problem for 26 Years, and the Best Way to Fix It Permanently

148 Simply Sarah  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:47:31pm

re: #142 allegro

How about option 3? Make Medicare available to all. Negotiate pricing with pharma and other medical providers to bring down prices.

There ya go.

Well, increased government revenue *would* be required to support such a program. What people tend to miss/ignore, however, is that paying, say, $1000 more a year to the government, but having other personal expenses decreased $2000 as a result means they have $1000 more a year to spend on what they want.

149 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:47:43pm

re: #130 SanFranciscoZionist

Because Moses’ horns are specifically referred to in the text. The Vulgate gives Exodus 34:29 as Moses’ face being ‘horned’, rather than ‘radiant’ from having spoken to God.

They’re translating ‘keren’ as ‘horn’ rather than ‘ray’.

Michaelangelo’s work may have led to the general Jews have horns nonsense, but he himself didn’t believe that—he’d met Jews. He was trying to show details from the Bible as he read it.

Apparently the statue was wildly popular with the Jews of Rome in the 1500s, who would walk to see it on Shabbat.

The real question is why Michaelangelo’s David didn’t have a bris.

/

You looked?

150 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:48:33pm

re: #141 Simply Sarah

You talk as if this is all money that needs to be raised tomorrow and there is zero expected income to the program in the future. If you feel the Democrats haven’t offered any solutions, fine, but at least be honest about the problem.

Where did you read that? Did I say that anywhere?

If you have a problem with numbers send an email to the GAO and tell them how wrong they are.

151 celticdragon  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:49:16pm

re: #136 jamesfirecat

The Overton Window in America is fucked up when asking people to give a litlte more money to the government so that it can take care of us when we’re old and unable to look out for ourselves is considered a “toxic” option.

Ryan and his ilk would absolutely have us living in 1850 London conditions where the common people lived in filth and squalor, child prostitution was rampant, tens of thousands of infants died every year and the wealthy industrialists had Randian orgasmic joy over how God had “blessed” them.

I saw just that attitude over at Balko again today with commentors opining that the Government had no place being “compassionate” and that kicking families out into the street to starve would be “the best thing for them” in the long run.

No shit.

Overwhelmed private charity and no holds barred corporatism was so awesome the first time around 150 years ago, right?

152 recusancy  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:50:11pm

re: #132 martinsmithy

I’m enjoying the GOP meltdown over medicare as much as anybody, but medicare itself is slowly melting down, and is unsustainable with current revenues and levels of service provided. The most recent trustee’s report states that the trust fund will not have sufficient funds to pay expenses starting in 2024.

To make medicare solvent on a long-term basis again, we must either:

1. Raise taxes, or

2. Reduce services.

The Republicans have found out how toxic option 2 is. I fear the Democrats, if they proposed a tax increase to pay for medicare, would find out how toxic option 1 is.

You Can’t Fix Medicare Until You Fix American Healthcare and ObamaCare (yes I’m using that term) was a small start in fixing healthcare.

153 engineer cat  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:50:16pm

re: #135 ausador

HAhahahahahahaha…gasp…hahahahahahahahahahahaha …wheeze…*wipes tears* away. OK how about you link me to one realistic democratic plan by a member of the House or Senate to “fix” social security? Just one…

(note plans to cut a few billions do not count when triillions have to be cut/raised)

they tend to resemble very closely the bill that ronald reagan signed in the mid 80s that fixed very similar problems ss faced then

154 celticdragon  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:50:59pm

re: #145 Walter L. Newton

Sorry.

No prob. :) There are regional differences, of course, and this bullshit is (probably) more prevalent in the South.

155 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:51:20pm

re: #95 Walter L. Newton

That is not a doctrinal position among American Baptist denominations. Yes, I have met Baptist who believe Catholicism to be a cult, but it is not an issue taught in publications and religious classes. The groups I mentioned above actually teach that the Catholics are a satanic cult.

Eh? Baptists don’t have “doctrine”. That’s the whole point of the anabaptist/baptist movement within the broader reformation.

156 Simply Sarah  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:52:12pm

re: #150 ausador

Where did you read that? Did I say that anywhere?

If you have a problem with numbers send an email to the GAO and tell them how wrong they are.

My issue is that you appear to be implying that SS is so far underwater and that it will cost so much that the only solution is to basically scrap the entire thing. I know you didn’t say it, but your comments remind me very much of what I’ve heard from people pushing the above line.

157 recusancy  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:52:29pm
158 wrenchwench  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:53:11pm

re: #149 EmmmieG

You looked?

There are no fig leaves at the The Gallery of the Accademia di Belle Arti.

Image: 5greatsculps004mm1.jpg

[NSFEmmmie’s house]

159 engineer cat  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:53:44pm

re: #141 Simply Sarah

You talk as if this is all money that needs to be raised tomorrow and there is zero expected income to the program in the future. If you feel the Democrats haven’t offered any solutions, fine, but at least be honest about the problem.

he’s the victim of a whole industry that has perfected the technique of the casual and utterly plausible Big Lie

“of course, anybody who follows biological science seriously knows that all theories of evolution were found to be implausible and unscientific many decades ago, so why even bring it up?”

160 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:54:16pm

re: #158 wrenchwench

There are no fig leaves at the The Gallery of the Accademia di Belle Arti.

Image: 5greatsculps004mm1.jpg

[NSFEmmmie’s house]

I grew up in an LDS household with two sets of encyclopedias.

The 1950’s one (inherited from Grandma) showed the David from the waist up. The 1980’s one showed the whole statue.

161 albusteve  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:54:29pm

re: #158 wrenchwench

There are no fig leaves at the The Gallery of the Accademia di Belle Arti.

Image: 5greatsculps004mm1.jpg

[NSFEmmmie’s house]

swell…now everybody knows what I look like

162 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:55:07pm

re: #145 Walter L. Newton

Sorry.

My pastor once referred to Catholicism as a cult in a sermon. Same with Mormonism.

Not saying I entirely agree with his views but that’s what he preached.

163 iossarian  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:55:34pm

re: #161 albusteve

swell…now everybody knows what I look like

Wait - YOU’re my long-lost (slightly less physically attractive) twin?

Have you spoken to Mom recently?

164 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:56:37pm

Anyone who thinks they have the inside scoop on the literal word of God has a screw loose.

165 engineer cat  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:56:53pm

re: #150 ausador

Where did you read that? Did I say that anywhere?

If you have a problem with numbers send an email to the GAO and tell them how wrong they are.

can you link directly to the report from the GAO?

166 Walter L. Newton  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:57:31pm

re: #154 celticdragon

No prob. :) There are regional differences, of course, and this bullshit is (probably) more prevalent in the South.

Well, no, I was in the south 35 years ago. I didn’t find much “official” anti-catholic rhetoric in either popular Baptist religious publications, books, sermons or Sunday school classes. Among the independent Baptist assemblies, I came across some odd talk about catholics (and even other protestant denominations), but not much in the mainstream Southern Baptist churches.

I did find “catholic cult” talk among Jehovah’s Witnesses, Identity movements, Seventh Day Adventists, independent far-right evangelical congregations, World Wide Church of God, Breathen, Christadelphians, Bible Students, some TV and radio preachers and other fringe groups.

167 lawhawk  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:57:41pm

re: #147 recusancy

The Klein link conflates SS taxes with the Bush tax cuts which is great for a soundbite, but ignores the basic principles for the SS program, which is based on contributions into the fund up to set income levels. You can’t simply swap tax revenue from elsewhere in the budget and say that you’ve made SS solvent.

However, as for the other links, they do show that there are rational ideas for making SS solvent.

Here’s mine, which includes indexing the retirement age to age cohorts based on life expectancy.

It would not affect the current level of benefits for those who were born through 1965, which allows for full benefits for age 67, and partial benefits at 62. For those born in 1965-1969, increase the year that you can receive full benefits by one year (68/63). For every five years after, increase the year in which you can receive full benefits by one year.

From 1970-1975, 69/64;
From 1976-1980, 70/65;
From 1981-1985, 71/66;
From 1986-1990, 72/67;
From 1991-1995, 73/68;
From 1996-2000, 74/69; and
From 2001-2005, 75/70.

In other words, someone born in 1972 would have to 69 (or 64 to receive partial benefits). This adjustment would take into account the higher standards of living, the life expectancy, and maintain the solvency.

This could be further adjusted to allow for those in manufacturing trades to obtain SS at a lower age, but since the overall population is moving away from manufacturing, this wont adversely affect the budget calculations.

A further adjustment of SS so that it hits the first $150k of income (as adjusted for inflation), rather than the first $106,800 (as adjusted for inflation annually) would further strengthen the fund.

I would lean towards the former rather than the latter - but a combination of the two ideas would definitely keep SS solvent in the long term.

168 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:58:16pm

re: #158 wrenchwench

There are no fig leaves at the The Gallery of the Accademia di Belle Arti.

Image: 5greatsculps004mm1.jpg

[NSFEmmmie’s house]

David’s schling (SFW)

Image: Florence65AcademyGalleryMichaelangeloDavid_g.jpg

169 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Tue, May 17, 2011 12:59:54pm

Really?

I’m getting knee jerk downdings for saying that the Democrats have absolutely no plan for fixing the unfunded liabilities of social security and medicare/aid?

I never said the Republicans had a effing plan either reflex downding ‘morans,’ because they sure as hell don’t, not a realistic one anyway.

Talk about killing the bearer of bad news?

How about instead of downdinging me you use the energy to post a link to that fabulous Democratic plan* to balance the social network budget that you seem to be defending instead? :p

/*aww, thats right, it does not exist…

170 wrenchwench  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:00:07pm

re: #160 EmmmieG

I grew up in an LDS household with two sets of encyclopedias.

The 1950’s one (inherited from Grandma) showed the David from the waist up. The 1980’s one showed the whole statue.

Times do change!

The Vatican covered some of Michelangelo’s frescos in the Sistine Chapel. What a crime. I think they were re-nuded in a renovation/conservation effort.

I saw David up close and personal. I can’t fathom how Michelangelo could find a human form in a rock the way he did. Bernini was even more incredible. No photo will ever do this justice:

Image: tumblr_l1gz3xdQxU1qa399ro1_500.jpg

171 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:01:27pm

re: #170 wrenchwench

Times do change!

The Vatican covered some of Michelangelo’s frescos in the Sistine Chapel. What a crime. I think they were re-nuded in a renovation/conservation effort.

I saw David up close and personal. I can’t fathom how Michelangelo could find a human form in a rock the way he did. Bernini was even more incredible. No photo will ever do this justice:

Image: tumblr_l1gz3xdQxU1qa399ro1_500.jpg

Ever tried to carve anything? Even out of soap?

It will give you great appreciation for sculptors.

172 recusancy  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:01:39pm

re: #167 lawhawk

The point of Klien’s graph was for soundbite purposes. But it makes it’s point.

I would lean towards the latter of your plan. And that is a basic plan that’s been circulated many times before.

173 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:04:37pm

re: #156 Simply Sarah

My issue is that you appear to be implying that SS is so far underwater and that it will cost so much that the only solution is to basically scrap the entire thing. I know you didn’t say it, but your comments remind me very much of what I’ve heard from people pushing the above line.

I said we need a plan, and we do, otherwise we just let things go as is until we are so broke we have no choice but to scrap social security. What is so wrong with pointing out that unless we finally start planning ahead now (even though it might already be too late) we do risk losing the program entirely?

Perhaps this is better? Image: Ostrich_Demotivator_by_JohnDamen.jpg

174 recusancy  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:04:45pm

re: #169 ausador

Really?

I’m getting knee jerk downdings for saying that the Democrats have absolutely no plan for fixing the unfunded liabilities of social security and medicare/aid?

I never said the Republicans had a effing plan either reflex downding ‘morans,’ because they sure as hell don’t, not a realistic one anyway.

Talk about killing the bearer of bad news?

How about instead of downdinging me you use the energy to post a link to that fabulous Democratic plan* to balance the social network budget that you seem to be defending instead? :p

/*aww, thats right, it does not exist…

You aren’t the bearer of anything other than what everybody already knows: SS and Medicare need fixing and that you apparently can’t read or click links.

175 engineer cat  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:04:57pm

re: #169 ausador

Really?

I’m getting knee jerk downdings for saying that the Democrats have absolutely no plan for fixing the unfunded liabilities of social security and medicare/aid?

I never said the Republicans had a effing plan either reflex downding ‘morans,’ because they sure as hell don’t, not a realistic one anyway.

Talk about killing the bearer of bad news?

How about instead of downdinging me you use the energy to post a link to that fabulous Democratic plan* to balance the social network budget that you seem to be defending instead? :p

/*aww, thats right, it does not exist…

there is no magic solution that will balance the budget and fix medicare. democrats have long been working on doing what they can to keep costs under control in practical ways, and nearly had it under control in the late 90s - until the bush administration and the republican congress decided that it was wise to give away trillions of dollars to the pharmeceutical industry, tax payers making over half a mil a year, and to engage in a trillion dollars worth of invasions without finding ways to fund them

so don’t go laughing at practical people who have been working hard at practical solutions only to have republicans constantly throw obstacles under their feet

176 Lidane  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:05:27pm
178 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:08:03pm

re: #35 Varek Raith

Santorum Says McCain (Who Was Tortured) Doesn’t Understand How Torture Works

That’s fine. Santorum doesn’t understand how magnets work.

179 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:08:56pm

While we’re worrying about the future of SS/Medicare, spare a little for the future of the Veteran’s Administration. It’s budgeted on a short cycle, but is carrying an IOU to the tens of thousands of soldiers we messed up in SWA. We’ll be paying that off for 40 years.

180 Simply Sarah  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:08:59pm

re: #173 ausador

I said we need a plan, and we do, otherwise we just let things go as is until we are so broke we have no choice but to scrap social security. What is so wrong with pointing out that unless we finally start planning ahead now (even though it might already be too late) we do risk losing the program entirely?

Perhaps this is better? Image: Ostrich_Demotivator_by_JohnDamen.jpg

I’m not sure where you’re getting that I’m trying to deny that problems exists. It’s very clear they do exist and steps need to be taken to fix them. My issue was that you seemed to be making the problems out to be more impossible to address than they actually are.

181 recusancy  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:10:25pm

re: #175 engineer dog

there is no magic solution that will balance the budget and fix medicare. democrats have long been working on doing what they can to keep costs under control in practical ways, and nearly had it under control in the late 90s - until the bush administration and the republican congress decided that it was wise to give away trillions of dollars to the pharmeceutical industry, tax payers making over half a mil a year, and to engage in a trillion dollars worth of invasions without finding ways to fund them

so don’t go laughing at practical people who have been working hard at practical solutions only to have republicans constantly throw obstacles under their feet

It’s as if the plan all along was to fuck it up enough so that someone can come along and privatize it thereby throwing seniors out on their asses.

182 wrenchwench  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:11:33pm

re: #177 Lidane

Ben Stein Writes Bizarre Defense Of IMF Chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn

He has what it takes to defend Creationism. Strauss-Kahn should be relatively easy.

What a monumental ass.

183 recusancy  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:11:42pm

re: #177 Lidane

Ben Stein Writes Bizarre Defense Of IMF Chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn

I love his byline: “Former Nixon speechwriter and TV game show host”. Says about all you need to know.

184 recusancy  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:13:22pm

re: #179 Decatur Deb

While we’re worrying about the future of SS/Medicare, spare a little for the future of the Veteran’s Administration. It’s budgeted on a short cycle, but is carrying an IOU to the tens of thousands of soldiers we messed up in SWA. We’ll be paying that off for 40 years.

Yup. It’s the unfunded-not talked about cost of our foolishness over there.

185 albusteve  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:13:32pm

re: #175 engineer dog

there is no magic solution that will balance the budget and fix medicare. democrats have long been working on doing what they can to keep costs under control in practical ways, and nearly had it under control in the late 90s - until the bush administration and the republican congress decided that it was wise to give away trillions of dollars to the pharmeceutical industry, tax payers making over half a mil a year, and to engage in a trillion dollars worth of invasions without finding ways to fund them

so don’t go laughing at practical people who have been working hard at practical solutions only to have republicans constantly throw obstacles under their feet

sounds like you know these people personally…whatever, the essence of politics is compromise and plenty of selfish pols refuse….this incessant partisanship is so old and used up…as for me I EXPECT the feds to get off their asses and make some headway with these issues…too many others are content to sit on their butts and post hundreds of words blaming their ideological opponents….solutions are far more interesting than the blame game

186 Interesting Times  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:13:34pm

re: #177 Lidane

Ben Stein Writes Bizarre Defense Of IMF Chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn

What a victim-blaming pile of festering Fournier gangrene goo. I will refrain from further comment in the interests of obeying site policy.

187 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:14:06pm

re: #181 recusancy

It’s as if the plan all along was to fuck it up enough so that someone can come along and privatize it thereby throwing seniors out on their asses.

(Duh!)

I can’t believe you would accuse the Republicans of such blatantly anti-social behavior! When have they ever done anything to earn your mistrust like that?

///snort…snicker…Bwahahahahaha

188 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:15:23pm

Dear Mr. Stein: Your mama should have taught you never to grievously insult people who have your food or your belongings out of your sight.

I’m sure the hotel maids will be professionals, mostly because they’re too busy to read his column.

189 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:15:41pm

re: #183 recusancy

I love his byline: “Former Nixon speechwriter and TV game show host”. Says about all you need to know.

Stein’s a sad case—obviously bright, and I loved his quiz show with Kimmel.

190 engineer cat  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:16:15pm

re: #185 albusteve

sounds like you know these people personally…whatever, the essence of politics is compromise and plenty of selfish pols refuse…this incessant partisanship is so old and used up…as for me I EXPECT the feds to get off their asses and make some headway with these issues…too many others are content to sit on their butts and post hundreds of words blaming their ideological opponents…solutions are far more interesting than the blame game

i’d have to second just about every word of that

191 Simply Sarah  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:18:27pm

re: #177 Lidane

Ben Stein Writes Bizarre Defense Of IMF Chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn

I want to say something really scathing about Stein, but I just don’t have the energy right now to put into doing it for that fool.

192 recusancy  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:20:49pm

re: #185 albusteve

sounds like you know these people personally…whatever, the essence of politics is compromise and plenty of selfish pols refuse…this incessant partisanship is so old and used up...as for me I EXPECT the feds to get off their asses and make some headway with these issues…too many others are content to sit on their butts and post hundreds of words blaming their ideological opponents…solutions are far more interesting than the blame game

Seriously? You who sits on your butt posting hundreds of words shitting on the Feds at every turn. I actually agree with you wholeheartedly on this but why the change of heart?

193 goddamnedfrank  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:21:10pm

re: #186 publicityStunted

What a victim-blaming pile of festering Fournier gangrene goo. I will refrain from further comment in the interests of obeying site policy.

Thanks, I could have lived a long and happy life without knowing that bit of medical vernacular. Excuse me while I go bleach my brain.

194 albusteve  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:22:02pm

re: #192 recusancy

Seriously? You who sits on your butt posting hundreds of words shitting on the Feds at every turn. I actually agree with you wholeheartedly on this but why the change of heart?

note this..I’m not inclined to respond to your bullshit

195 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:25:29pm

re: #177 Lidane

Ben Stein Writes Bizarre Defense Of IMF Chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn

The times, they sure don’t fucking change for some people.

I don’t know if Strauss-Kahn is guilty of charges or not. We have court hearings and trials and shit to decide that.

However, this boils down to ‘she’s a working-class woman and probably a tramp, and he’s one of our sort of people, so how dare they actually arrest him?’

Fuck Ben Stein AND his money.

196 goddamnedfrank  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:25:42pm

re: #189 Decatur Deb

Stein’s a sad case—obviously bright, and I loved his quiz show with Kimmel.

There’s a knife edge of sanity inhabited by many incredibly bright people.

197 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:27:03pm

re: #195 SanFranciscoZionist

Fuck Ben Stein AND his money.

No. You do it.
/

198 Simply Sarah  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:27:30pm

re: #195 SanFranciscoZionist

The times, they sure don’t fucking change for some people.

I don’t know if Strauss-Kahn is guilty of charges or not. We have court hearings and trials and shit to decide that.

However, this boils down to ‘she’s a working-class woman and probably a tramp, and he’s one of our sort of people, so how dare they actually arrest him?’

Fuck Ben Stein AND his money.

Yeah, that’s the sort of thing I’d like to pretend I’d have written were my brain not currently mush (I’m good at lying to myself).

199 goddamnedfrank  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:29:37pm

re: #195 SanFranciscoZionist

The times, they sure don’t fucking change for some people.

I don’t know if Strauss-Kahn is guilty of charges or not. We have court hearings and trials and shit to decide that.

However, this boils down to ‘she’s a working-class woman and probably a tramp, and he’s one of our sort of people, so how dare they actually arrest him?’

Fuck Ben Stein AND his money.

What’s weird to me is that Stein’s misogyny trumped his innate hatred of socialists.

200 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:29:46pm

re: #195 SanFranciscoZionist

The times, they sure don’t fucking change for some people.

I don’t know if Strauss-Kahn is guilty of charges or not. We have court hearings and trials and shit to decide that.

However, this boils down to ‘she’s a working-class woman and probably a tramp, and he’s one of our sort of people, so how dare they actually arrest him?’

Fuck Ben Stein AND his money.

Let’s suppose she is a tramp (for the purpose of the argument).

It would still be illegal and just as wrong.

201 darthstar  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:31:09pm
202 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:32:29pm

re: #201 darthstar

“Tell your Blood God to keep the verdict to himself”!

203 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:32:52pm

re: #201 darthstar

Judgment Day pic a friend took in NJ today…ha!

What are people going to do? I mean, really? On May 22, what will they do?

204 darthstar  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:33:20pm

re: #203 EmmmieG

What are people going to do? I mean, really? On May 22, what will they do?

Get their cars detailed.

205 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:33:26pm

re: #202 Slumbering Behemoth

“Tell your Blood God to keep the verdict to himself”!

You’re doing it wrong.

206 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:34:03pm

re: #203 EmmmieG

What are people going to do? I mean, really? On May 22, what will they do?

I sense thousands of souls screaming out in butthurt.

207 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:34:10pm

re: #203 EmmmieG

Well I intend to point and laugh hysterically…

208 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:34:21pm

re: #203 EmmmieG

What are people going to do? I mean, really? On May 22, what will they do?

Wonder why they were among the chosen and stock up ammo for the tribulation?

209 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:34:42pm

re: #203 EmmmieG

What are people going to do? I mean, really? On May 22, what will they do?


re: #204 darthstar

Get their cars detailed.


Some will go to the DMV. In New Jersey, those will think they’re in Hell.

210 charlz  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:34:45pm

re: #203 EmmmieG

They’ll just say that the *real* end of the world will be in December 2012.

211 Simply Sarah  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:34:57pm

re: #203 EmmmieG

What are people going to do? I mean, really? On May 22, what will they do?

Hard to say. Historically, I think you see a whole bunch of reactions. Some keep waiting for a bit, some panic, some just shrug and go home.

212 Lidane  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:35:25pm

re: #203 EmmmieG

What are people going to do? I mean, really? On May 22, what will they do?

I don’t know about the rest of you, but my atheist self will be pointing and laughing at the idiots who actually believed that the Rapture was going to happen.

213 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:35:30pm

re: #211 Simply Sarah

Hard to say. Historically, I think you see a whole bunch of reactions. Some keep waiting for a bit, some panic, some just shrug and go home.

a lot will be facing some huge bills they stopped paying.

214 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:36:02pm

The FLDS have been pulling this silliness for years. The leader who gave the wrong date just tells the people that it’s their fault, that they weren’t good enough.

215 Simply Sarah  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:36:10pm

re: #213 Dreggas

a lot will be facing some huge bills they stopped paying.

Without a job and without a place to live.

216 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:36:29pm

re: #212 Lidane

I don’t know about the rest of you, but my atheist self will be pointing and laughing at the idiots who actually believed that the Rapture was going to happen.

HIGH FIVE!

217 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:36:31pm

re: #203 EmmmieG

What are people going to do? I mean, really? On May 22, what will they do?

The leader will tell the followers that there just wasn’t enough faith to bring about the destruction. Pray harder next time.

218 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:36:45pm

re: #203 EmmmieG

What are people going to do? I mean, really? On May 22, what will they do?

This guy will probably shoot himself…

thethinkingatheist.com

He spent his entire $140,000 retirement on rapture ads saying it will happen on May 21st.

219 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:37:01pm

re: #215 Simply Sarah

Without a job and without a place to live.

They just need to trust in God’s Plan.

220 recusancy  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:37:05pm

re: #215 Simply Sarah

Without a job and without a place to live.

They’ll be raptured into the grasps of medicare, social security and soshulism!

221 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:37:16pm

re: #208 wlewisiii

Wonder why they were among the chosen and stock up ammo for the tribulation?

pimf were = weren’t.

Sigh.

222 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:37:29pm

re: #212 Lidane

I don’t know about the rest of you, but my atheist self will be pointing and laughing at the idiots who actually believed that the Rapture was going to happen.

Those who need this sort of escape will just calculate the next Y2.011K bug.

223 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:37:45pm

I’m guessing at least a few will go the White Night route.

224 Lidane  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:37:59pm

re: #213 Dreggas

a lot will be facing some huge bills they stopped paying.

Or they’ll face sudden poverty, since some of those lunatics sold and/or gave away everything they owned and have spent their entire life savings.

225 Varek Raith  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:38:59pm

re: #212 Lidane

I don’t know about the rest of you, but my atheist self will be pointing and laughing at the idiots who actually believed that the Rapture was going to happen.

That’s fine and all, but you should really be asking them for their stuff.
Then sell it back.
CAPITALISM!

226 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:39:21pm

re: #203 EmmmieG

What are people going to do? I mean, really? On May 22, what will they do?

But what I would love to see, just for fun, is every person of faith, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, whatever, pretend to have been raptured. No posting comments on the internet, no answering the phone, no going out of the house.

Just one big practical joke on the Camping lemmings.

227 Simply Sarah  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:40:04pm

re: #225 Varek Raith

That’s fine and all, but you should really be asking them for their stuff.
Then sell it back.
CAPITALISM!

And what, pray tell, to you expect them to buy back their worldly goods with? :P

228 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:40:11pm

re: #183 recusancy

I love his byline: “Former Nixon speechwriter and TV game show host”. Says about all you need to know.

I always liked his set up on ‘win Ben Stein’s money’. He and the other contestant both went into little rooms to answer the questions, but the challenger’s was plain, and Stein had a nice chair, and a table with flowers, and lots of little touches. I thought it was funny.

This sort of nonsense is not funny.

229 Varek Raith  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:40:46pm

re: #227 Simply Sarah

And what, pray tell, to you expect them to buy back their worldly goods with? :P

That’s not my problem.
/Eeevil.
:P

230 Lidane  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:40:56pm

re: #225 Varek Raith

That’s fine and all, but you should really be asking them for their stuff.
Then sell it back.
CAPITALISM!

Heh:

facebook.com

Loot first, then sell it back to the loons. The free market at its finest. :D

231 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:42:04pm

re: #226 Slumbering Behemoth

But what I would love to see, just for fun, is every person of faith, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, whatever, pretend to have been raptured. No posting comments on the internet, no answering the phone, no going out of the house.

Just one big practical joke on the Camping lemmings.

With a little organization, a bunch of punkers on islands across the W. Pacific could get some ‘eye-witness’ accounts into the intertubes.

232 Alexzander  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:42:04pm

From Nate Silver’s (538) twitter feed half an hour ago:

fivethirtyeight Nate Silver
Keep an eye on this / RT @pwire: Sensing a vacuum in the GOP field, Texas Gov. Rick Perry quietly feels out a presidential campaign

And:

fivethirtyeight Nate Silver
Is it hyperbolic to suggest that if Rick Perry ran for the GOP nomination he might be the favorite? He’d crush in the South.

This seems very possible to me.

233 Simply Sarah  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:42:11pm

re: #229 Varek Raith

That’s not my problem.
/Eeevil.
:P

It totally is! You’ll end up stuck paying to store a bunch of junk no one can afford to buy back from you. I’m not sure you’ve thought your devious plan all the way through here…

234 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:42:20pm

re: #186 publicityStunted

What a victim-blaming pile of festering Fournier gangrene goo. I will refrain from further comment in the interests of obeying site policy.

“Couldn’t she just have screamed? He’s not a very physically powerful man, so he couldn’t have forced her to do something. She’s a maid—you know, a maid once stole my prescription meds. He’s an important man. Can’t he stay somewhere nicer than Rikers, you know, since all the evidence we have against him is one dumb crazy slut’s word? People like me shouldn’t have to stay in Rikers. Oh, and this is clearly class warfare.”

235 Alexzander  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:42:39pm

Also, has anyone been following the giant protests in Madrid?

236 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:42:45pm

re: #224 Lidane

Or they’ll face sudden poverty, since some of those lunatics sold and/or gave away everything they owned and have spent their entire life savings.

Yup.

World will end on May 21 says ex-MTA worker Robert Fitzpatrick, who’s putting money where mouth is

Robert Fitzpatrick is so convinced the end is near he’s betting his life savings on it.

The retired MTA employee has pumped $140,000 into a NYC Transit ad campaign to warn everyone the world will end next Saturday.

237 Varek Raith  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:42:50pm

re: #233 Simply Sarah

It totally is! You’ll end up stuck paying to store a bunch of junk no one can afford to buy back from you. I’m not sure you’ve thought your devious plan all the way through here…

Pawn shops.
No way in hell they’re getting raptured.

238 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:44:19pm

re: #199 goddamnedfrank

What’s weird to me is that Stein’s misogyny trumped his innate hatred of socialists.

I think it’s his classism, actually.

239 recusancy  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:44:43pm

re: #238 SanFranciscoZionist

I think it’s his classism, actually.

Yep.

240 wrenchwench  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:45:06pm

re: #234 SanFranciscoZionist

“Couldn’t she just have screamed? He’s not a very physically powerful man, so he couldn’t have forced her to do something. She’s a maid—you know, a maid once stole my prescription meds. He’s an important man. Can’t he stay somewhere nicer than Rikers, you know, since all the evidence we have against him is one dumb crazy slut’s word? People like me shouldn’t have to stay in Rikers. Oh, and this is clearly class warfare.”

Keep going. It’s truly one of the most loathsome essays I have read in a long time.

241 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:45:30pm

re: #200 EmmmieG

Let’s suppose she is a tramp (for the purpose of the argument).

It would still be illegal and just as wrong.

But they put him in Rikers!! On ONE PERSON’S word!!

(I have a feeling Ben is one of those tough on crime types…if poor people are the criminals.)

242 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:46:58pm

re: #234 SanFranciscoZionist

“She probably would have done it for money, anyway”.

243 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:47:24pm

re: #203 EmmmieG

What are people going to do? I mean, really? On May 22, what will they do?

I really don’t know. I assume most of them will accept whatever explanation is given—they weren’t worthy, they were so worthy that we got extra time—whatever. They will be disappointed.

Some of them will have ruined themselves financially.

Some of them will never recover emotionally.

I just hope the people who cooked this all up are true believers themselves. If they did this cynically, they have a hell of a lot to answer for.

244 Four More Tears  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:47:56pm

If I were Ben Stein I would never stay in a hotel again.

I’d also stop making that Darwin-Nazi connection, but that’s another story.

245 albusteve  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:49:23pm

re: #240 wrenchwench

Keep going. It’s truly one of the most loathsome essays I have read in a long time.

I think someone’s leg is getting pulled…if he’s indeed serious he should be shunned, not given all the attention…I’d like to see America get back to listening to legit people instead of this constant river of bullshit so easily spewed

246 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:49:56pm

re: #241 SanFranciscoZionist

But they put him in Rikers!! On ONE PERSON’S word!!

(I have a feeling Ben is one of those tough on crime types…if poor people are the criminals.)


re: #244 JasonA

If I were Ben Stein I would never stay in a hotel again.

I’d also stop making that Darwin-Nazi connection, but that’s another story.

There’s a fair chance the maid was an SEIU thug.

247 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:50:20pm

re: #245 albusteve

Unfortunately, bullshit sells more ad space.

248 Alexzander  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:51:28pm

Live stream of the protests setting up what I believe is a central camp in Madrid (sorry I only speak english):

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/pirav%C3%81n

249 celticdragon  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:52:03pm

re: #203 EmmmieG

What are people going to do? I mean, really? On May 22, what will they do?

I intend to continue cleansing heretics, Xenos and daemon worshipping Chaos fiends in the name of our Holy Emperor.

250 wrenchwench  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:52:19pm

re: #245 albusteve

I think someone’s leg is getting pulled…if he’s indeed serious he should be shunned, not given all the attention…I’d like to see America get back to listening to legit people instead of this constant river of bullshit so easily spewed

One person’s “legit people” is another person’s river of bullshit.

Life is a process of sorting them out.

Ignoring Ben Stein will not make him quit spewing. Perhaps embarrassing him will. It’s worth a try.

251 albusteve  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:52:23pm

re: #247 Slumbering Behemoth

Unfortunately, bullshit sells more ad space.

it’s the AmIdol thing again…people just can’t resist…no wonder our country is so fucked up

252 aagcobb  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:52:39pm

re: #35 Varek Raith

Santorum Says McCain (Who Was Tortured) Doesn’t Understand How Torture Works

About what I would expect from a frothy mix.

253 wrenchwench  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:53:40pm

re: #251 albusteve

it’s the AmIdol thing again…people just can’t resist…no wonder our country is so fucked up

Actually, I’m quite proud of our country for sending that French aristocrat to Rikers.

254 albusteve  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:54:47pm

re: #253 wrenchwench

Actually, I’m quite proud of our country for sending that French aristocrat to Rikers.

I don’t know about pride…it’s the rule of law

255 celticdragon  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:55:14pm

re: #232 Alexzander

From Nate Silver’s (538) twitter feed half an hour ago:

And:

This seems very possible to me.

Go figure that a white, pro-succession Southern Governor who loves the death penalty (even for people who may not have been guilty in the first place like Todd Wilingham)and poses with Chuck Norris (who writes for Worldnutdaily periodically) would do well with the GOP in Dixie…

256 windsagio  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:55:30pm

re: #253 wrenchwench

We’re gonna feel bad if he’s not actually guilty :p

257 wrenchwench  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:56:01pm

re: #254 albusteve

I don’t know about pride…it’s the rule of law

That’s what I’m proud of.

258 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:56:01pm

re: #249 celticdragon

I intend to continue cleansing heretics, Xenos and daemon worshipping Chaos fiends in the name of our Holy Emperor.

HARRIERS FOR THE CUP!

259 celticdragon  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:56:08pm

re: #253 wrenchwench

Actually, I’m quite proud of our country for sending that French aristocrat to Rikers.

The Bastille wasn’t available.

260 celticdragon  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:56:45pm

re: #258 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

HARRIERS FOR THE CUP!

??

261 albusteve  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:56:53pm

re: #257 wrenchwench

That’s what I’m proud of.

yes…it’s not likely he’s gonna buy his way out of this mess

262 wrenchwench  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:57:51pm

re: #256 windsagio

We’re gonna feel bad if he’s not actually guilty :p

“Convicted” you mean. He could be found not guilty, in which case I would more likely feel that he escaped justice. Which equals “feel bad”, so, yeah, you’re right.

263 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 17, 2011 1:57:59pm

re: #260 celticdragon

??

It’s those kids and their satanic RPGs again (I think).

264 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:00:12pm

re: #260 celticdragon

??

Commissar Ciaphis Cain’s reply to a World Eater screaming “BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!”. The Harriers were one of the sector’s favorite sporting teams, likely to win the championship.

265 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:00:45pm

re: #256 windsagio

We’re gonna feel bad if he’s not actually guilty :p

No. I’ll feel bad for him, but it sounds like everyone did everything correctly.

266 elizajane  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:01:53pm

re: #261 albusteve

yes…it’s not likely he’s gonna buy his way out of this mess

Maybe, but he won’t buy his way back to running for the French Presidency.

In other Sleazy Guy news (see previous thread), the skinny on Arnold is that this “employee” he was bonking was not the maid, but was the stewardess on his private airplane.

You couldn’t make it up.

267 wrenchwench  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:04:16pm

re: #246 Decatur Deb

re: #244 JasonA

There’s a fair chance the maid was an SEIU thug.

If I were a hotel maid (I heard her referred to as a “chamber maid” in one report) and I were a member of a union, I’ll bet my union brothers and sisters would be a large factor in my having the courage to bring a case against the head of the IMF.

268 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:05:04pm

re: #260 celticdragon

??

Found it.

‘Blood for the Blood God!’ A red-uniformed trooper came screaming out of the endless night at me, his old-fashioned autogun held across his chest like a pole arm, apparently intent on using the wickedly-serrated bayonet clipped to its barrel. I assumed at the time that he was out of ammunition, but for all I know he was just carried away by bloodlust.

‘Harriers for the cup!* I riposted, shooting him in the face.

*A reference to a scrumball team in the subsector league (who were

knocked out in the semifinals that year, incidentally).

269 windsagio  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:06:23pm

re: #262 wrenchwench

Man, seriously. Why are you so convinced that he’s already guilty?

The presumption of guilt in this country is a serious problem.

270 Simply Sarah  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:06:51pm

re: #267 wrenchwench

If I were a hotel maid (I heard her referred to as a “chamber maid” in one report) and I were a member of a union, I’ll bet my union brothers and sisters would be a large factor in my having the courage to bring a case against the head of the IMF.

On the other hand, he was probably going to be the Socialist running in France, so that’s a bit awkward.
/

271 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:07:17pm

re: #161 albusteve

swell…now everybody knows what I look like

Tiny little feller aren’t you.

272 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:08:23pm

re: #271 b_sharp

Tiny little feller aren’t you.

It was cold out.

273 Lidane  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:09:17pm

Speaking of right wing meltdowns:

Jon Huntsman Shocks Right By Refusing To Deny Climate Change Is Real

This has been a hard week for the GOP’s presidential prospects. First Newt Gingrich laid into the House Republican budget plan with the force of a DailyKos diarist. Now another big name (likely) presidential candidate is refusing to admit that man-made climate change might be a hoax.

“If 90 percent of the oncological community said something was causing cancer we’d listen to them,” former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman told Time in a new interview. “I respect science and the professionals behind the science so I tend to think it’s better left to the science community - though we can debate what that means for the energy and transportation sectors.”

The reaction to that little nugget was about as you’d expect.

274 wrenchwench  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:09:43pm

re: #269 windsagio

Man, seriously. Why are you so convinced that he’s already guilty?

The presumption of guilt in this country is a serious problem.

I said what I would feel. I don’t claim to have the facts.

275 Ericus58  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:10:38pm

re: #273 Lidane

Speaking of right wing meltdowns:

Jon Huntsman Shocks Right By Refusing To Deny Climate Change Is Real

I’m liking Huntsman more and more.

276 windsagio  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:10:54pm

re: #274 wrenchwench

I guess that’s a little better.

But seirously, you said ‘if he’s not convicted I feel he’d escaped justice’. Why are you so sure?

(Don’t wanna be picking on you particularly, but its a real trend we have, and its bothersome)

277 reine.de.tout  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:11:51pm

re: #269 windsagio

Man, seriously. Why are you so convinced that he’s already guilty?

The presumption of guilt in this country is a serious problem.

Well … actually, normal people who are not sitting on a jury for a particular trial are perfectly free to take whatever information is known and come to a reasonable conclusion about it, in this case, the reasonable conclusion is that this guy is a complete asshole who thinks he has a right to terrorize women.

278 Simply Sarah  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:11:52pm

re: #275 Ericus58

I’m liking Huntsman more and more.

Except then he also said we shouldn’t do anything about it right now.

279 makeitstop  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:12:04pm

re: #273 Lidane

Speaking of right wing meltdowns:

Jon Huntsman Shocks Right By Refusing To Deny Climate Change Is Real

So much for that candidacy.

280 Lidane  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:12:25pm

re: #275 Ericus58

I’m liking Huntsman more and more.

I like him too. That’s why I want him to sit this election out and run in 2016.

Given the current Bad Crazy in the GOP, he doesn’t stand a chance right now, which is a shame.

281 wrenchwench  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:12:45pm

re: #276 windsagio

I guess that’s a little better.

But seirously, you said ‘if he’s not convicted I feel he’d escaped justice’. Why are you so sure?

(Don’t wanna be picking on you particularly, but its a real trend we have, and its bothersome)

Well, I’ll state it a little more starkly than I would like for the sake of brevity: It is class war and I’m on the other side.

The nuanced version would say why I tend to believe her and not him.

282 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:12:51pm

re: #232 Alexzander

From Nate Silver’s (538) twitter feed half an hour ago:

And:

This seems very possible to me.

If he runs for president on a platform of Texas leaving the union he could draw bipartisan support.

283 Four More Tears  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:13:14pm

re: #276 windsagio

I guess that’s a little better.

But seirously, you said ‘if he’s not convicted I feel he’d escaped justice’. Why are you so sure?

(Don’t wanna be picking on you particularly, but its a real trend we have, and its bothersome)

A guy like that doesn’t get pulled off a plane unless the authorities have some serious evidence. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but damn does that make it seem really likely that this is for real.

284 wrenchwench  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:13:52pm

re: #283 JasonA

A guy like that doesn’t get pulled off a plane unless the authorities have some serious evidence. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but damn does that make it seem really likely that this is for real.

There’s my nuance. Thank you.

285 wrenchwench  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:15:09pm

re: #276 windsagio

I guess that’s a little better.

But seirously, you said ‘if he’s not convicted I feel he’d escaped justice’. Why are you so sure?

(Don’t wanna be picking on you particularly, but its a real trend we have, and its bothersome)

Also, it is difficult to get a rape conviction under any circumstances. If he’s found not guilty, it does not necessarily convince me.

286 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:15:17pm

re: #281 wrenchwench

Well, I’ll state it a little more starkly than I would like for the sake of brevity: It is class war and I’m on the other side.

The nuanced version would say why I tend to believe her and not him.

Right now I don’t have any reason to think this woman is lying.

I DO have reason to think that Strauss-Kahn has a long history of being inappropriate with women.

That tilts my judgement, unless I’m shown other evidence.

But I’m not on the jury.

287 Lidane  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:15:36pm

re: #278 Simply Sarah

Except then he also said we shouldn’t do anything about it right now.

Well, there is that. But just admitting that it’s real and not a hoax dooms him on the lunatic right.

288 Ericus58  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:16:04pm

re: #276 windsagio

I guess that’s a little better.

But seirously, you said ‘if he’s not convicted I feel he’d escaped justice’. Why are you so sure?

(Don’t wanna be picking on you particularly, but its a real trend we have, and its bothersome)

You are picking on her.
And based on the details released by NY authorities and reading the information that his own party members are saying … along with other officials …. and previous known issue’s he’s had with women…

I’m wondering why you are so bent on his getting the presumption of innocence?
Allow us to speculate, based on a fair assessment of what is known.

289 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:16:06pm

re: #228 SanFranciscoZionist

I always liked his set up on ‘win Ben Stein’s money’. He and the other contestant both went into little rooms to answer the questions, but the challenger’s was plain, and Stein had a nice chair, and a table with flowers, and lots of little touches. I thought it was funny.

This sort of nonsense is not funny.

Stein is a dickweed who should get expelled.

290 windsagio  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:16:31pm

re: #283 JasonA

They totally would. They raided HST’s house once on totally trumped-up charges with no evidence at all.

Cops love a high profile raid, if its not somebody that’s part of the power structure that pays them. A french dude, no matter how powerful is safe game.

291 wrenchwench  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:16:46pm

re: #286 SanFranciscoZionist

Right now I don’t have any reason to think this woman is lying.

I DO have reason to think that Strauss-Kahn has a long history of being inappropriate with women.

That tilts my judgement, unless I’m shown other evidence.

But I’m not on the jury.

Where are they going to find a jury of his peers? Ben Stein’s favorite restaurant?

292 Ericus58  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:17:30pm

re: #278 Simply Sarah

Except then he also said we shouldn’t do anything about it right now.

I think that was based on the current state of our economic condition.
I didn’t take that as in 20 years down the road brush-off.

293 makeitstop  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:17:48pm

re: #291 wrenchwench

Where are they going to find a jury of his peers? Ben Stein’s favorite restaurant?

Congress?
/half

294 windsagio  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:18:04pm

re: #293 makeitstop

lol >>

295 wrenchwench  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:18:12pm

re: #290 windsagio

They totally would. They raided HST’s house once on totally trumped-up charges with no evidence at all.

Cops love a high profile raid, if its not somebody that’s part of the power structure that pays them. A french dude, no matter how powerful is safe game.

Wait. Hunter S. Thompson? Vs. the head of the IMF? Different planets.

I gotta go fix a bike….

296 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:18:32pm

re: #291 wrenchwench

Where are they going to find a jury of his peers? Ben Stein’s favorite restaurant?

They’re all heading to a Gulch.

297 Four More Tears  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:19:00pm

re: #290 windsagio

They totally would. They raided HST’s house once on totally trumped-up charges with no evidence at all.

Cops love a high profile raid, if its not somebody that’s part of the power structure that pays them. A french dude, no matter how powerful is safe game.

HST?

And this more than raiding a house. This is going to end careers if it doesn’t pan out.

298 Four More Tears  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:19:54pm

re: #295 wrenchwench

Wait. Hunter S. Thompson? Vs. the head of the IMF? Different planets.

I gotta go fix a bike…

Ah, thanks. Yeah, very different. Artist vs. aristocrat.

299 Ericus58  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:20:08pm

Ben Stein, is that you?

/sorry, couldn’t help myself…

300 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:20:57pm

re: #290 windsagio

They totally would. They raided HST’s house once on totally trumped-up charges with no evidence at all.

Cops love a high profile raid, if its not somebody that’s part of the power structure that pays them. A french dude, no matter how powerful is safe game.

Rich French dudes love to grab ass and rape women they they assume will never report them. Hotel maids are safe game.

(Apologies to rich French dudes with good sexual ethics, I’m just makin’ a point.)

301 windsagio  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:21:33pm

re: #297 JasonA

Hunter Thompson.

I guess its just htat I’ve been jerked around by a lot of triggerhappy (in the metaphorical sense) cops in my time, and I don’t think that the guy is easy to hate (rich French IMF guy) makes it any less likely that they’re just playing their normal games.

302 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:21:44pm

re: #286 SanFranciscoZionist

Dang it, you took what I wanted to say!

303 goddamnedfrank  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:21:54pm

re: #278 Simply Sarah

Except then he also said we shouldn’t do anything about it right now.

I love that. That impending doom I’m acknowledging, let’s let it get worse because you dumb fucks won’t elect me if you think I’ll try to do anything about it.

re: #285 wrenchwench

Also, it is difficult to get a rape conviction under any circumstances. If he’s found not guilty, it does not necessarily convince me.

Depend on the particulars. If the maid turns out to be a shape changing chameleon grown in a vat at Koch Industries and designed to destroy French socialism I’ll be convinced. Otherwise, not so much.

304 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:22:41pm

re: #300 SanFranciscoZionist

Rich French dudes love to grab ass and rape women they they assume will never report them. Hotel maids are safe game.

(Apologies to rich French dudes with good sexual ethics, I’m just makin’ a point.)

Rich unethical dudes with crap for brains love to grab ass and rape women.

305 Lidane  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:22:45pm

re: #279 makeitstop

So much for that candidacy.

The Freeper types hate him anyway. He’s rich, he’s a Mormon, and he resigned his governorship to become Obama’s ambassador to China. They see him as being a pinko commie librul RINO traitor.

He never had a chance with the loons anyway.

306 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:23:43pm

re: #305 Lidane

The Freeper types hate him anyway. He’s rich, he’s a Mormon, and he resigned his governorship to become Obama’s ambassador to China. They see him as being a pinko commie librul RINO traitor.

He never had a chance with the loons anyway.

I thought the Freepers were supposed to like rich people. And governors who resign.

307 Ericus58  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:24:06pm

re: #306 SanFranciscoZionist

I thought the Freepers were supposed to like rich people. And governors who resign.

Ba-Zinga!

308 goddamnedfrank  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:24:39pm

re: #306 SanFranciscoZionist

I thought the Freepers were supposed to like rich people. And governors who resign.

Only if they look good in running shorts and wink a lot.

309 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:24:41pm

re: #306 SanFranciscoZionist

I thought the Freepers were supposed to like rich people. And governors who resign.

Freepers hate everyone. Most of all they hate themselves.

310 windsagio  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:24:52pm

re: #306 SanFranciscoZionist

Are freepers associated with the fundies much or not so much? (lol grammar)

311 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:25:07pm

re: #306 SanFranciscoZionist

I thought the Freepers were supposed to like rich people. And governors who resign.

Thats only when they say fuck the poor.

312 Lidane  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:25:28pm

re: #306 SanFranciscoZionist

I thought the Freepers were supposed to like rich people. And governors who resign.

Only if they’re named Sarah Palin.

313 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:25:50pm

re: #308 goddamnedfrank

Only if they look good in running shorts and wink a lot.

I used to have a tic where it looked like I winked at everybody. Do we know SP doesn’t have that affliction?

314 makeitstop  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:25:51pm

re: #305 Lidane

The Freeper types hate him anyway. He’s rich, he’s a Mormon, and he resigned his governorship to become Obama’s ambassador to China. They see him as being a pinko commie librul RINO traitor.

He never had a chance with the loons anyway.

True. It’s a shame that voices of reason are so routinely shouted down in this country.

315 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:26:34pm

re: #310 windsagio

Are freepers associated with the fundies much or not so much? (lol grammar)

As much as possible.

All the evilutionists get booted out on a semi-regular basis.

316 Targetpractice  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:26:51pm

re: #305 Lidane

The Freeper types hate him anyway. He’s rich, he’s a Mormon, and he resigned his governorship to become Obama’s ambassador to China. They see him as being a pinko commie librul RINO traitor.

He never had a chance with the loons anyway.

At this point, I don’t think there’s an electable candidate in the GOP pool left. All the “RINOs” have either been run out of the party on a rail or decided to sit ‘12 out so as to make a serious run next time around. Shit, the pickings are getting so slim, Ron Paul might actually have a chance…and that’s a scary thought.

317 windsagio  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:27:11pm

re: #315 b_sharp

He was dead at ‘mormon’ then >>

318 wrenchwench  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:27:30pm

re: #302 ProLifeLiberal

Dang it, you took what I wanted to say!

She’s always doing that. Every single comment of hers is what I was going to say.

If I were smarter, more knowledgeable and empathetic, and could type faster…

319 Lidane  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:27:30pm

re: #314 makeitstop

True. It’s a shame that voices of reason are so routinely shouted down in this country.

What’s hilarious is that they make a big deal out of him dropping out of high school to play music. They ignore the fact that Huntsman went back and finished, then went to college.

He’s somehow an uneducated loser, but St. Sarah of Palin, with her six colleges to get a single degree, is A-OK.

320 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:28:24pm

re: #318 wrenchwench

She’s always doing that. Every single comment of hers is what I was going to say.

If I were smarter, more knowledgeable and empathetic, and could type faster…

But you do great bike.

Can I ask you a bicycle question?

321 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:28:37pm

re: #319 Lidane

What’s hilarious is that they make a big deal out of him dropping out of high school to play music. They ignore the fact that Huntsman went back and finished, then went to college.

He’s somehow an uneducated loser, but St. Sarah of Palin, with her six colleges to get a single degree, is A-OK.

Any idiot can get a degree. Few people are actually educated.

322 engineer cat  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:29:07pm

fun fun fun

It seems a recent string of announcements from potential Republican presidential candidates has spurred former Alaska governor Sarah Palin to begin work on her own potential candidacy.

The former Alaska governor’s political action committee, 2012 Can’t Come Fast Enough, has reportedly sent out a mailing to South Carolina Republicans

Taking back control of the House last year was only the first step,” Ms. Palin writes in the mailer first reported by The Fix. “Now you and I must fix our eyes on 2012. Our goal is to take back the White House and the Senate.”

“Can’t Come Fast Enough” - write your own joke


The move is the first indication that Ms. Palin remains interested in seeking the Republican presidential nomination.

323 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:29:29pm

re: #318 wrenchwench

She’s always doing that. Every single comment of hers is what I was going to say.

If I were smarter, more knowledgeable and empathetic, and could type faster…

I’m ridiculously flattered.

Also, I’m going to the store soon, so people can take over.

324 wrenchwench  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:29:29pm

re: #320 b_sharp

But you do great bike.

Can I ask you a bicycle question?

Sure. (I’ll be in and out. I should be working…)

325 Lidane  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:30:02pm

re: #321 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Any idiot can get a degree. Few people are actually educated.

Heh, true. Even Donald Trump went to college. ;)

326 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:30:22pm

re: #321 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Any idiot can get a degree. Few people are actually educated.

I think I’m going to buy a PhD online. I’m just not sure what discipline to get.

327 Targetpractice  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:30:42pm

re: #322 engineer dog

fun fun fun

It seems a recent string of announcements from potential Republican presidential candidates has spurred former Alaska governor Sarah Palin to begin work on her own potential candidacy.

The former Alaska governor’s political action committee, 2012 Can’t Come Fast Enough, has reportedly sent out a mailing to South Carolina Republicans

Taking back control of the House last year was only the first step,” Ms. Palin writes in the mailer first reported by The Fix. “Now you and I must fix our eyes on 2012. Our goal is to take back the White House and the Senate.”

“Can’t Come Fast Enough” - write your own joke

The move is the first indication that Ms. Palin remains interested in seeking the Republican presidential nomination.

Go for it, Sarah! I need some cheap laughs this year.

328 BongCrodny  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:30:49pm

re: #325 Lidane

Heh, true. Even Donald Trump went to college. ;)


He majored in bankruptcy, right?

329 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:31:08pm

re: #326 b_sharp

I think I’m going to buy a PhD online. I’m just not sure what discipline to get.

All of them.

330 makeitstop  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:31:25pm

re: #322 engineer dog

fun fun fun

It seems a recent string of announcements from potential Republican presidential candidates has spurred former Alaska governor Sarah Palin to begin work on her own potential candidacy.

The former Alaska governor’s political action committee, 2012 Can’t Come Fast Enough, has reportedly sent out a mailing to South Carolina Republicans

Taking back control of the House last year was only the first step,” Ms. Palin writes in the mailer first reported by The Fix. “Now you and I must fix our eyes on 2012. Our goal is to take back the White House and the Senate.”

“Can’t Come Fast Enough” - write your own joke

The move is the first indication that Ms. Palin remains interested in seeking the Republican presidential nomination.

I’d be really surprised if she actually decided to run.

Unless she got assurances from Fox that her job would still be there once the ass-whuppin’ is done.

331 Lidane  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:31:45pm

re: #322 engineer dog

The former Alaska governor’s political action committee, 2012 Can’t Come Fast Enough

I will always laugh about the fact that on the TV show Supernatural, one of the harbingers of the Apocalypse was Sarah Palin becoming POTUS. Heh.

332 Bulworth  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:31:47pm
“Can’t Come Fast Enough” - write your own joke

Heh, indeedy.

333 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:32:26pm

re: #322 engineer dog

“Can’t Come Fast Enough” - write your own joke

There are some battery operated devices to help with that.

334 Targetpractice  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:32:46pm

re: #328 BongCrodny

He majored in bankruptcy, right?

With a minor in douchbaggery.

335 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:32:53pm

re: #324 wrenchwench

Sure. (I’ll be in and out. I should be working…)

Me too.

On a ten speed mountain bike, which end do the two little wheels go?

Real question: How often do the tubes need to be replaced?

336 BongCrodny  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:32:55pm

re: #322 engineer dog

The former Alaska governor’s political action committee, 2012 Can’t Come Fast Enough, has reportedly sent out a mailing to South Carolina Republicans


That’s a lot of people who are having trouble coming.

337 Bulworth  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:33:04pm
It seems a recent string of announcements from potential Republican presidential candidates has spurred former Alaska governor Sarah Palin to begin work on her own potential candidacy

I wonder if she would win Alaska.

338 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:33:09pm

re: #334 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

With a minor in douchbaggery.

I thought it was a double major.

339 windsagio  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:33:12pm

re: #330 makeitstop

The appearance of running is really important to her saleability tho’. She has to at least look like she’s willing and stretch it out some.

340 Lidane  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:33:31pm

re: #330 makeitstop

I’d be really surprised if she actually decided to run.

Unless she got assurances from Fox that her job would still be there once the ass-whuppin’ is done.

She’s not going to run. She can’t handle unscripted questions now. How could she face the level of worldwide scrutiny that every POTUS does?

341 Ericus58  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:33:49pm

Gotta run.
Everyone enjoy the rest of your day.
*shakes hands around*
You too, Windsagio

342 windsagio  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:33:53pm

re: #337 Bulworth

I wonder if she’d win her own family.

343 goddamnedfrank  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:33:54pm

re: #330 makeitstop

I’d be really surprised if she actually decided to run.

Unless she got assurances from Fox that her job would still be there once the ass-whuppin’ is done.

She’s been thoroughly sidelined by fox ever since the blood libel gaffe. She may calculate a candidacy as the best way to keep herself in the limelight and generate another book deal.

344 Four More Tears  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:34:31pm

re: #328 BongCrodny

He majored in bankruptcy, right?

I think he wrote the textbook, actually…

345 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:34:42pm

re: #341 Ericus58

Gotta run.
Everyone enjoy the rest of your day.
*shakes hands around*
You too, Windsagio

That wasn’t my hand.

346 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:34:50pm

Maybe those May 21st guys are on to something:

Family Guy creator to revive The Flintstones

347 Lidane  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:34:50pm

Off to run errands. BBL.

348 windsagio  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:36:06pm

re: #346 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

God, I so want that to be fake. It fills me with terror.

349 Four More Tears  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:36:29pm

re: #346 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

For instance, “what’s the animal version of the iPod?” asked McFarlane. “That’s the kind of thing we have to think about.”

I want his job.

350 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:37:41pm

re: #337 Bulworth

I wonder if she would win Alaska.

Hard to tell. I think they’re pretty fed up with her, but all the Alaskans I know online are hardcore Democrats, so I may not be getting a complete picture.

Well, I also know Alaska Kim, here.

351 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:38:09pm

re: #342 windsagio

I wonder if she’d win her own family.

Well, Todd would vote for her.

352 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:38:44pm

re: #351 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, Todd would vote for her.

I don’t think Bristol would.

353 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:38:50pm

re: #351 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, Todd would vote for her.

He would certainly claim he did.

354 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:38:53pm

Check arrived, not a moment too soon.

Going to get GROCERIES!!!!

(I live the high life.)

355 wrenchwench  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:39:00pm

re: #335 b_sharp

Me too.

On a ten speed mountain bike, which end do the two little wheels go?

Real question: How often do the tubes need to be replaced?

Every time they go flat. If they haven’t gone flat in ten years, do it anyway.

If they stay inflated, the tubes are protected from the deteriorating effects of air, except for a little area right around the valve hole, where air can get at them. That’s where they’ll fail if they never get punctured.

356 windsagio  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:39:07pm

re: #351 SanFranciscoZionist

But would Bristol? I Kind of doubt it.

STill I guess that’s 2/3, and a win :p

357 windsagio  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:39:21pm

re: #352 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Synchronicity!

358 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:40:29pm

re: #352 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I don’t think Bristol would.

They named her for a UK city. Had my parents done that I wouldn’t vote for them.

359 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:40:59pm

Okay, who is this guy’s campaign manager?

360 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:41:39pm

re: #355 wrenchwench

Every time they go flat. If they haven’t gone flat in ten years, do it anyway.

If they stay inflated, the tubes are protected from the deteriorating effects of air, except for a little area right around the valve hole, where air can get at them. That’s where they’ll fail if they never get punctured.

I seem to be replacing them every spring. Either I’m buying crap, or I’m storing them wrong.

361 Political Atheist  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:42:18pm

re: #290 windsagio

They have a sworn complaint in a rape case. Under what circumstance would/should the police act differently?

362 wrenchwench  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:44:42pm

re: #360 b_sharp

I seem to be replacing them every spring. Either I’m buying crap, or I’m storing them wrong.

Top them off once a month while the bike is stored. They will go flat in three months without a puncture, they have some natural porosity. They may not need to be replaced, just aired up in the spring.

Or you may be buying crap.

363 goddamnedfrank  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:45:13pm

re: #360 b_sharp

I seem to be replacing them every spring. Either I’m buying crap, or I’m storing them wrong.

Try replacing the rim tape. It gets old too.

364 Political Atheist  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:46:23pm

re: #316 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

At this point, I don’t think there’s an electable candidate in the GOP pool left. All the “RINOs” have either been run out of the party on a rail or decided to sit ‘12 out so as to make a serious run next time around. Shit, the pickings are getting so slim, Ron Paul might actually have a chance…and that’s a scary thought.

You may be right, but it is awful soon to say it’s over.

365 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:50:28pm

Habitable exoplanet CONFIRMED! Warm and wet, scientists say


French scientists have confirmed with computer models that Gliese 581d, a planet orbiting a red dwarf star about 20 light years from here, has a stable atmosphere, comfortable temperatures, and a surface covered in liquid water. It’s the first planet orbiting another star that could definitely support life, and it’s basically next door.

While Gliese 581d is too small and far away to observe directly, we can infer some things about it from the gravitational effects that it has on its parent star and fellow planets. We know that Gliese 581d is about twice the size of Earth (and six times the mass), we know that it’s rocky (not a gas giant like Jupiter or Saturn). This means that it’s large enough and dense enough to be able to hold on to a substantial atmosphere. We can also estimate about how much energy Gliese 581d receives from its red dwarf star, and based on all of this information, French scientists have been able to model a range of potential climates showing that “GJ581d will have a stable atmosphere and surface liquid water for a wide range of plausible cases.”

I demand this planet be designated as Lister.

366 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:51:56pm

re: #362 wrenchwench

Top them off once a month while the bike is stored. They will go flat in three months without a puncture, they have some natural porosity. They may not need to be replaced, just aired up in the spring.

Or you may be buying crap.

The bikes are stored in an unheated shed that gets blocked off by snow every winter.

Should they be stored inside?

367 Romantic Heretic  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:52:14pm

re: #300 SanFranciscoZionist

Rich French dudes love to grab ass and rape women they they assume will never report them. Hotel maids are safe game.

(Apologies to rich French dudes with good sexual ethics, I’m just makin’ a point.)

FTFY.

Nothing special about French men.

368 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:52:46pm

re: #363 goddamnedfrank

Try replacing the rim tape. It gets old too.

I’ve never replaced the tape. My bike is 30 years old.

369 wrenchwench  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:53:12pm

re: #366 b_sharp

The bikes are stored in an unheated shed that gets blocked off by snow every winter.

Should they be stored inside?

The shed should be OK. Just air ‘em up when you get it out and see whether they hold.

370 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:53:47pm

re: #365 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Habitable exoplanet CONFIRMED! Warm and wet, scientists say

I demand this planet be designated as Lister.

I want to go there.

371 wrenchwench  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:53:56pm

re: #368 b_sharp

I’ve never replaced the tape. My bike is 30 years old.

Goddamnedfrank nails it!

372 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:54:52pm

re: #369 wrenchwench

The shed should be OK. Just air ‘em up when you get it out and see whether they hold.

That’s the problem, they never do. They come out flat and after inflation bleed down in about a week.

373 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:55:16pm

re: #370 b_sharp

I want to go there.

It would be a bit of a trip.

374 darthstar  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:55:37pm

re: #368 b_sharp

I’ve never replaced the tape. My bike is 30 years old.



My wife got a new bike this weekend. Just need to get her some wicker baskets for it now.
- this is on the road in front of our house.

375 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:55:55pm

re: #371 wrenchwench

Goddamnedfrank nails it!

OK. The tape will be replaced.

Thanks, both of you.

376 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:56:51pm

BBL

377 wrenchwench  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:57:29pm

re: #374 darthstar


My wife got a new bike this weekend. Just need to get her some wicker baskets for it now.
- this is on the road in front of our house.

Nice! One speed, or internal hub gears?

378 freetoken  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:58:37pm

That hot-bed of proto-lesbianism1, the Girl Scouts, is coming under increasing pressure (complete with a misinformation campaign) by anti-abortionists:

New anti-abortion rights website targets Girl Scouts

[…]

Since then, anti-abortion rights groups such as the Family Research Council have condemned the Girls Scouts of the USA and its international branch for having “increasingly close connections” with Planned Parenthood and, by extension, abortion. The Family Research Council has praised the creation of the Volanskis’ new website — which also cites the IFPP brochure — and has directed young girls to take the teens’ lead and quit Girl Scouts to join American Heritage Girls, a “nonprofit dedicated to the mission of building women of integrity through service to God, family, community and country,” according to the group’s website.

But Girls Scouts USA has long disputed this one-year-old story about the brochure. GSUSA spokesperson Michelle Tompkins told The American Independent that the national Girls Scouts organization does not have a relationship or partnership with Planned Parenthood, has never had one and never plans on having one. Tompkins said the story about the HIV/sex brochure was made up.

[…]

1According to World Net Daily

379 darthstar  Tue, May 17, 2011 2:59:51pm

re: #377 wrenchwench

Nice! One speed, or internal hub gears?

Single speed…Schwinn “Cream” (the men’s version is called “coffee”…cute, eh?). It’s about four miles to the farmer’s market and the organic grocery store along the bike trail, so this is the perfect cruiser for her. Hand brakes though…I was hoping for coaster brakes for her… She has a nice Terry road bike, but doesn’t like clipping in, and for casual riding it’s too much. She’ll probably ride this more than the other, too…especially after it’s been wicker-fied.

380 wrenchwench  Tue, May 17, 2011 3:04:34pm

re: #379 darthstar

Single speed…Schwinn “Cream” (the men’s version is called “coffee”…cute, eh?). It’s about four miles to the farmer’s market and the organic grocery store along the bike trail, so this is the perfect cruiser for her. Hand brakes though…I was hoping for coaster brakes for her… She has a nice Terry road bike, but doesn’t like clipping in, and for casual riding it’s too much. She’ll probably ride this more than the other, too…especially after it’s been wicker-fied.

After 12 years with clipless pedals, I went back to platforms on my mountain bike. If she’ll use the Terry more with platforms, do it. But maybe with an alternate casual bike, the clipping in on the “good” bike will feel better.

381 Cheechako  Tue, May 17, 2011 3:09:03pm

re: #337 Bulworth

I wonder if she would win Alaska.


No way. She burned her bridges supporting Joe Miller. Democrats, sane Republicans, and Independents would not elect her as dog catcher.

382 darthstar  Tue, May 17, 2011 3:13:09pm

re: #380 wrenchwench

After 12 years with clipless pedals, I went back to platforms on my mountain bike. If she’ll use the Terry more with platforms, do it. But maybe with an alternate casual bike, the clipping in on the “good” bike will feel better.

It’s just the first few times coming to a stop and getting used to clipping out before falling over that bothers her. I’ve had it happen to myself as well…it is kind of frightening, especially around cars.

383 goddamnedfrank  Tue, May 17, 2011 3:31:26pm

re: #382 darthstar

It’s just the first few times coming to a stop and getting used to clipping out before falling over that bothers her. I’ve had it happen to myself as well…it is kind of frightening, especially around cars.

My advice is to have her take the bike inside the house and practice for a half hour or more while watching TV, just clipping in and out, over and over again. Take a break, then do it again. First with one hand on a couch, wall or post to steady herself, then move a little further away from the support so just within reach. It gets to be second nature pretty quick this way.

384 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 17, 2011 5:08:45pm

re: #379 darthstar

Single speed…Schwinn “Cream” (the men’s version is called “coffee”…cute, eh?). It’s about four miles to the farmer’s market and the organic grocery store along the bike trail, so this is the perfect cruiser for her. Hand brakes though…I was hoping for coaster brakes for her… She has a nice Terry road bike, but doesn’t like clipping in, and for casual riding it’s too much. She’ll probably ride this more than the other, too…especially after it’s been wicker-fied.

Gotta get panniers—and actually stick a couple yards of French bread in them.


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