Rick Santorum: What Does McCain Know About Torture Anyway?

Fanatic anti-gay Republican endorses torture
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It’s amazing to watch one potential Republican presidential candidate after another melting down in public. Yesterday it was Rick Santorum’s turn: Santorum: John McCain wrong on torture.

Rick Santorum said Tuesday that Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who was tortured as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, “doesn’t understand how enhanced interrogation works.”

Speaking on Hugh Hewitt’s radio show, Santorum, the presidential hopeful and former Pennsylvania senator, says McCain is misguided in his stance against the enhanced interrogation techniques sanctioned during the Bush administration but discontinued by Obama’s White House, which has labeled them torture.

“Everything I’ve read shows that we would not have gotten this information as to who this man was if it had not been gotten information from people who were subject to enhanced interrogation,” Santorum said, referring to the courier that led Americans to Osama bin Laden. “And so this idea that we didn’t ask that question while Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was being waterboarded, he doesn’t understand how enhanced interrogation works. I mean, you break somebody, and after they’re broken, they become cooperative.”

Today Santorum tried to backpedal, but didn’t retract his enthusiastic endorsement of torture: Santorum says he meant ‘nothing ill’ toward McCain.

Former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) said he meant “nothing ill” toward Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) after suggesting that the Arizona Republican “doesn’t understand” enhanced interrogation.

Santorum wouldn’t back off his assertion that McCain was wrong for opposing the use of enhanced interrogation techniques such as waterboarding against suspected terrorists.

But Santorum, a likely Republican presidential candidate, said he didn’t mean to disparage McCain, who endured torture as a prisoner of war in Vietnam.

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490 comments
1 Targetpractice  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:20:54pm

The non-apology apology, a true political classic.

2 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:23:24pm

Next: Santorum lectures Pelosi on childbirth.

3 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:23:32pm

in those days, it was utterly terrifying to think you may end up a prisoner of the NVA, those cats did not play nice or by the rules…somehow McCain’s lineage was figured out and they took it to him relentlessly…some say he stood up, others claim he broke…but what is for certain, they beat the guy to within an inch of his life repeatedly and he survived intact, body and mind…to me that’s a hell of a thing and no man has a right to judge…not a big fan of him politically, buck back off on the torture insults…it’s OB

4 wrenchwench  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:24:19pm

That’s like Kirk Cameron telling Stephen Hawking he doesn’t know anything about cosmology.

Oh, wait. That actually happened. Does it still count?

5 Kronocide  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:24:36pm

WTF? SRSLY?

I shudder to think of all the LOLs in emails between Dem strategists.

6 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:25:40pm

re: #4 wrenchwench

That’s like Kirk Cameron telling Stephen Hawking he doesn’t know anything about cosmology.

Oh, wait. That actually happened. Does it still count?

I still never found that quote by Cameron

7 Kronocide  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:26:00pm

re: #4 wrenchwench

That’s like Kirk Cameron telling Stephen Hawking he doesn’t know anything about cosmology astrology.

And Kirk would be right. It’s another -ology, just like all the rest.

8 elisabeth  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:26:46pm
“Everything I’ve read shows that we would not have gotten this information as to who this man was if it had not been gotten information from people who were subject to enhanced interrogation,” Santorum said, referring to the courier that led Americans to Osama bin Laden.

Every reputable source I’ve read (and many Bush Administration officials have said) exactly the opposite. Maybe the guy should find better sources.

9 Targetpractice  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:27:31pm

re: #3 albusteve

in those days, it was utterly terrifying to think you may end up a prisoner of the NVA, those cats did not play nice or by the rules…somehow McCain’s lineage was figured out and they took it to him relentlessly…some say he stood up, others claim he broke…but what is for certain, they beat the guy to within an inch of his life repeatedly and he survived intact, body and mind…to me that’s a hell of a thing and no man has a right to judge…not a big fan of him politically, buck back off on the torture insults…it’s OB

It’s not just that he survived said torture, but that the North Vietnamese leadership offered to release him after his old man became leader of all US forces in the region as a propaganda coup, and he refused when his demand that all prisoners taken prior to him be released at the same time was turned down flat.

10 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:28:45pm

re: #5 BigPapa

WTF? SRSLY?

I shudder to think of all the LOLs in emails between Dem strategists.

It’s a trap. The TPGOP is trying to lure us into complacency by acting hopelessly pathetic in public. Then they’ll spring their secret weapon—Breitbart/Beck 2012.

11 makeitstop  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:29:16pm

2012 Republican presidential hopefuls = Amateur Night.

12 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:30:52pm

can RS fly a jet?
can he land the damned thing on a carrier?
did he fly into the teeth of the most heavily fortified airspace in history?
did he survive a bailout over enemy turf?
did he survive five years of torture and come back to the world whole again?
Santorum is a first rate asshole…a pink, unworthy of anymore attention from me…diss the fighting men and women and you can just fuck off

13 Spocomptonite  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:31:00pm

Sometimes I read these things and this is what it sounds like to me.

In fact, if I had video editing software and prodigious patience, this would be my own personal meme. Take video of a news conference, and after the intro just dub this over their speech. It would make about as much sense.

14 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:33:15pm

I’m getting pissed, the more I think about this

15 makeitstop  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:34:39pm

re: #14 albusteve

I’m getting pissed, the more I think about this

It’s maddening because it seems as though nothing is off-limits any more, and anyone can say anything in order to gain cheap political points.

16 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:34:50pm

Also Next: Santorum will lecture Barack Obama on religious and racial prejudice.

17 Targetpractice  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:35:31pm

re: #15 makeitstop

It’s maddening because it seems as though nothing is off-limits any more, and anyone can say anything in order to gain cheap political points.

Yeah, it’s amazing how quick the reverence that the Republicans usually reserve for Vietnam vets, especially those who were the subject of torture, goes out the window the moment those vets say something that Republicans disagree with.

18 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:36:31pm

re: #15 makeitstop

It’s maddening because it seems as though nothing is off-limits any more, and anyone can say anything in order to gain cheap political points.

no ‘seems’ about it…propriety is dead

19 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:38:46pm

re: #17 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, it’s amazing how quick the reverence that the Republicans usually reserve for Vietnam vets, especially those who were the subject of torture, goes out the window the moment those vets say something that Republicans disagree with.

what republicans?…it was one guy who said these things…you are manufacturing scenarios

20 uncah91  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:44:41pm

What really gets me is that Santorum is not even non-apologizing for what he did. He apologizes for “disparaging” McCain, when he should be apologizing for forgetting that McCain was actually tortured. He should apologize for being an insensitive bore.

He didn’t disparage McCain, he misrepresented facts about McCain. He should apologize for being an idiot.

21 Targetpractice  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:44:44pm

re: #19 albusteve

what republicans?…it was one guy who said these things…you are manufacturing scenarios

I was speaking of the treatment they gave Kerry back in ‘04. You remember, the calls of “Show us your Navy records”? Or the Swiftboat Vets?

22 Spocomptonite  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:44:59pm

“I mean, you break somebody, and after they’re broken, they become cooperative.”

Wow, he just really does not grasp the complexity of the issue.

23 darthstar  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:45:31pm

re: #4 wrenchwench

That’s like Kirk Cameron telling Stephen Hawking he doesn’t know anything about cosmology.

Oh, wait. That actually happened. Does it still count?

Well, if you’d spent as much time in a make-up artist’s chair as Kirk Cameron has you would know more about cosmology than Stephen Hawking too.
/need I?

24 goddamnedfrank  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:45:36pm
I mean, you break somebody, and after they’re broken, they become cooperative.

Yes, everything they say, even several months later, is because of the torture.

/post hoc ergo propter hoc

25 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:45:54pm

re: #21 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I was speaking of the treatment they gave Kerry back in ‘04. You remember, the calls of “Show us your Navy records”? Or the Swiftboat Vets?

don’t fall down

26 wrenchwench  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:46:51pm

re: #23 darthstar

Well, if you’d spent as much time in a make-up artist’s chair as Kirk Cameron has you would know more about cosmology than Stephen Hawking too.
/need I?

My mom makes that joke about my brother, the astrophysicist, as often as she can.

27 Spocomptonite  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:47:07pm

re: #16 EmmmieG

Also Next: Santorum will lecture Barack Obama on religious and racial prejudice.

And then next week, he teaches The Onion how to be satirical.

28 goddamnedfrank  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:49:22pm

re: #21 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I was speaking of the treatment they gave Kerry back in ‘04. You remember, the calls of “Show us your Navy records”? Or the Swiftboat Vets?

My favorite Swiftboater was Larry Thurlow, the only one who was actually present, and was contradicted by his own award citation.

29 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:51:42pm

Sept 11 terrorist mocks CIA interrogators
The mastermind of the September 11 terrorist attacks shrugged off the experience of being waterboarded by his CIA interrogators, a former aide to George W. Bush has said.


Mohammed used his fingers to tick off the seconds before he knew he must be released, Mr Thiessen said. Under CIA safety regulations, suspects could be waterboarded for a maximum of 40 seconds.

“He was communicating to his interrogators that he was on to them,” Mr Thiessen told a panel in Washington discussing if intelligence that led the US to Osama bin Laden was obtained via torture.
….
Quoting one of Mohammed’s interrogators, Mr Thiessen later said: “For a psychopath, you have to give him his props. He’s tough”.

30 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:53:37pm

re: #29 Killgore Trout

Sept 11 terrorist mocks CIA interrogators
The mastermind of the September 11 terrorist attacks shrugged off the experience of being waterboarded by his CIA interrogators, a former aide to George W. Bush has said.

KSM should have been pushing up daisies years ago…total failure of the BO admin…ice the guy and move on

31 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:54:59pm

re: #30 albusteve

KSM should have been pushing up daisies years ago…total failure of the BO admin…ice the guy and move on

I doubt he’ll get the death penalty. Too much trouble. Life in a supermax is probably where he’s headed.

32 Usually refered to as anyways  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:55:48pm

re: #30 albusteve

KSM should have been pushing up daisies years ago…total failure of the BO admin…ice the guy and move on

Serious?
I thought he was captured under Bush, why isn’t it the Republicans failure to kill him?

33 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:57:08pm

re: #31 Killgore Trout

I doubt he’ll get the death penalty. Too much trouble. Life in a supermax is probably where he’s headed.

fine, same thing

34 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:58:07pm

I’m actually a bit pissed at this. I’m just really tired of these ignorant no-nothings and I don’t care who they direct their foolishness at. This was really low and very disrespectful. But then again this is the same fool who said I have betrayed my blackness by being pro-choice.

[Link: www.theatlanticwire.com…]

Perhaps he’s hoping to get bonus points for novelty: Rick Santorum says that President Obama shouldn’t support abortion rights because he’s black. The former Pennsylvania senator—and potential presidential candidate—told a conservative talk show host that a fetus is a person. And therefore, “I find it almost remarkable for a black man to say, ‘No, we’re going to decide who are people and who are not people.’”

35 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:58:18pm

re: #32 ozbloke

Serious?
I thought he was captured under Bush, why isn’t it the Republicans failure to kill him?

spare me….republicans don’t have anything to do with it

36 blueraven  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:58:56pm

re: #35 albusteve

spare me…republicans don’t have anything to do with it

Why not?

37 Targetpractice  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:58:58pm

re: #31 Killgore Trout

I doubt he’ll get the death penalty. Too much trouble. Life in a supermax is probably where he’s headed.

The best we’ll have to settle for now is his spending the rest of his days in a tiny cell in Gitmo. He’ll never stand trial, least not in a US civilian court. And there will be efforts to fight his ever stepping foot on US soil, whether as a prisoner or as a free man.

38 Usually refered to as anyways  Wed, May 18, 2011 3:59:46pm

re: #35 albusteve

spare me…republicans don’t have anything to do with it

Why didn’t they just shoot him in the head?
Its been done before, or after, one or the other.

39 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:00:45pm

re: #36 blueraven

Why not?

how do they?

40 goddamnedfrank  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:01:10pm

re: #32 ozbloke

Serious?
I thought he was captured under Bush, why isn’t it the Republicans failure to kill him?

Doncha know it was Obama’s responsibility upon taking office two years ago to summarily execute everyone that Bush was too pussy to take care of himself. Now that he got Osama bin Laden it’s pretty obvious the right thing to do would be to have KSM killed in custody.

41 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:02:32pm

re: #38 ozbloke

Why didn’t they just shoot him in the head?
Its been done before, or after, one or the other.

who’s they?…republicans?
hahaha!…you’re obsessed just like the rest….probably GB’s fault KSM is still alive?

42 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:02:38pm
Rick Santorum: What Does McCain Know About Torture Anyway?

More than you know about fucking magnets, buddy. I’ll tell you that much.

43 Usually refered to as anyways  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:02:45pm

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

Doncha know it was Obama’s responsibility upon taking office two years ago to summarily execute everyone that Bush was too pussy to take care of himself. Now that he got Osama bin Laden it’s pretty obvious the right thing to do would be to have KSM killed in custody.

Obama is weak for for not killing KSM when he was captured.

44 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:03:27pm

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

Doncha know it was Obama’s responsibility upon taking office two years ago to summarily execute everyone that Bush was too pussy to take care of himself. Now that he got Osama bin Laden it’s pretty obvious the right thing to do would be to have KSM killed in custody.

correct…legally of course

45 goddamnedfrank  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:04:28pm

re: #43 ozbloke

Obama is weak for for not killing KSM when he was captured.

Exactly, now you’re catching on, as a Democratic Senator and future President it was his duty to break into the man’s prison cell and kick him to death in his sleep.

46 palomino  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:04:31pm

re: #32 ozbloke

Serious?
I thought he was captured under Bush, why isn’t it the Republicans failure to kill him?

Republicans only had him in custody for FIVE years. That’s not enough time to get anything done. Obama, on the other hand, has had him for TWO years, so it’s all his fault. Don’t you understand math at all?

47 Targetpractice  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:05:25pm

re: #44 albusteve

correct…legally of course

How do we accomplish that in a manner that won’t have every legal authority across the globe crying foul?

48 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:05:29pm

re: #45 goddamnedfrank

Exactly, now you’re catching on, as a Democratic Senator and future President it was his duty to break into the man’s prison cell and kick him to death in his sleep.

you too?…I wouldn’t have thought you’d play these games…go for it

49 TedStriker  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:05:35pm

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

Doncha know it was Obama’s responsibility upon taking office two years ago to summarily execute everyone that Bush was too pussy to take care of himself. Now that he got Osama bin Laden it’s pretty obvious the right thing to do would be to have KSM killed in custody.

Kirk: “Killed while attempting escape…”
Bones: “It’s a classic.”

/Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (one of the best ST movies, IMO)

50 makeitstop  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:06:19pm

Re the erroneous Secret Service tweet - which Fox News shrieking head is going to be the first to claim that Fox is the target of some seekrit White House vendetta?

51 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:06:23pm

re: #47 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

How do we accomplish that in a manner that won’t have every legal authority across the globe crying foul?

put him on trial…get it over with

52 engineer cat  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:07:01pm

killing ksm will bring gas prices down and get people offa food stamps

53 Usually refered to as anyways  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:07:03pm

re: #48 albusteve

you too?…I wouldn’t have thought you’d play these games…go for it

Your #30
Then why start the game?

54 Targetpractice  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:07:15pm

re: #51 albusteve

put him on trial…get it over with

Civilian trial or military tribunal?

55 goddamnedfrank  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:08:05pm

re: #54 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Civilian trial or military tribunal?

Thunderdome.

56 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:08:28pm

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

Doncha know it was Obama’s responsibility upon taking office two years ago to summarily execute everyone that Bush was too pussy to take care of himself. Now that he got Osama bin Laden it’s pretty obvious the right thing to do would be to have KSM killed in custody.

Personally I wouldn’t be bothered if KSM never left the CIA blacksite in Poland where he gave up the name of the courier. Part of the problem was Bush’s attempt at transparency with GITMO. It makes thing legally very complicated.
BTW, if you look back through reports of the bin laden raid you’ll find mentions of taking one captive alive. You also find mentions that one of Bin Laden’s sons who was in the compound is missing. We’ll probably never hear of him again. it’s easier that way, let’s not pretend Obama is some sort of saint. In fact he’s harsher and more brutal towards the jihadis than Bush was but he’s quiet about it. Americans like it that way, it helps them to fell better about themselves.

57 Kid A  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:09:07pm

I don’t think Ricky understands what enhanced interrogation means. Maybe he should find out what Google is.

58 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:10:21pm

OT: Well I knew that some of the Freepers sanity seemed a little dicey…but…what in the hell?

Barry Soetoro’s real goal in forging birth certificate - to destroy U.S. Constitution

“President” Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama is trying to create a marxist/socialist dictatorship. In order to achieve this, he and his Dem/RINO allies must destroy the U.S. Constitution, which stands directly in their way.

Soetoro and his allies are attempting to destroy the constitution by creating a wedge. The point of their attack is the NBC Clause. Soetoro and his Dem/RINO allies are trying to mainstream the idea that that clause of the constitution does not really matter. Once that section becomes delegitimized, they can do the same with other clauses in the constitution they don’t like, and so on.

Once you understand this, you understand the true motivations of a lot of pols out there. For example, Soetoro’s allies support him *because* he is not a natural born citizen, not in spite of it. This way, his non-NBC status becomes a tool for destroying the NBC clause of the constitution.

The Dem role in this deception is to, among other things, play the race card. They are out selling the idea that anyone who questions Soetoro’s legitimacy is a racist. No one wants to sound like a racist, so the idea that Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 is important becomes further marginalized. (Racist clause written by old white men, so they like to say)

The RINO role in the deception is to propagate the idea that if the issue of Barry Soetoro’s legitimacy is pressed, then Republicans will lose in 2012. The point of this is to scare conservatives into silence. Don’t raise the issue or demand that your reps/candidates do the same, they say, or the dems’ll win. This scare tactic is a lie, as proven by numerous polls on the issue. The purpose of this line, like the purpose of the dem race card line, is to marginalize the importance of the NBC clause from the mainstream.

Barry Soetoro, and his communist/marxist/dem/RINO allies don’t really care that much about the NBC clause of the U.S. Constitution. They simply want to find a clause, *any* clause, that they can marginalize. Because once they marginalize one clause, then they can easily marginalize the next clause they don’t like, then the next, and so on. They have opportunistically zeroed in on Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 as the first point of attack.

This is about more than just Barry Soetoro’s place of birth, or his forged certificate. This is about a subversive effort to de-legitimize the entire constitution, starting with one clause, and then all the way to a marxist dictatorship.

Personally I think it is kind of heartwarming to see the communist/marxist/dem/RINO allies (aka enemies of True America™) all come together like this for a common goal. If only we could have more cooperation like this amongst the parties on Capital Hill?

///sheesh what a loon…

59 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:10:45pm

re: #53 ozbloke

Your #30
Then why start the game?

I didn’t…I say execute the guy or stuff him away forever…it hardly matters to the people where he is tried…it’s been a pathetic political gesture to try and close down Gitmo…both BO and Holder know that now…at least they are learning

60 Targetpractice  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:10:54pm

I gotta run for a bit, helping my sister pick out a new TV, so I’ll BBL.

61 wrenchwench  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:11:06pm

re: #57 Kid A

I don’t think Ricky understands what enhanced interrogation means. Maybe he should find out what Google is.

Next, he’s going to explain Google to Sergey Brin.

62 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:11:26pm

re: #54 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Civilian trial or military tribunal?

military tribunal at Gitmo

63 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:12:22pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

well said

64 Romantic Heretic  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:12:23pm

Torture is like warfare. Generally those in favor of doing it have never experienced it.

You can tell Frothy Anal Lube has never experienced either.

65 engineer cat  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:13:44pm

re: #54 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Civilian trial or military tribunal?

the romans really knew how to take care of these things

ever hear of oubliettes?

66 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:14:51pm

BO made the Gitmo situation a GB thing with his very first exec order…the rube…now look how far he’s come back to reality

67 goddamnedfrank  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:15:20pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

Personally I wouldn’t be bothered if KSM never left the CIA blacksite in Poland where he gave up the name of the courier. Part of the problem was Bush’s attempt at transparency with GITMO. It makes thing legally very complicated.
BTW, if you look back through reports of the bin laden raid you’ll find mentions of taking one captive alive. You also find mentions that one of Bin Laden’s sons who was in the compound is missing. We’ll probably never hear of him again. it’s easier that way, let’s not pretend Obama is some sort of saint. In fact he’s harsher and more brutal towards the jihadis than Bush was but he’s quiet about it. Americans like it that way, it helps them to fell better about themselves.

He didn’t give up the real name of the courier.

But there are two points that seem key in assessing the torture question. First, both KSM and al-Libi had critical intelligence they withheld under torture. KSM knew of Abu Ahmed’s trusted role and real name; al-Libi knew Abu Ahmed was OBL’s trusted courier and may have known of what became OBL’s compound.

And neither of them revealed that information to the CIA.

They waterboarded KSM 183 times in a month, and he either never got asked about couriers guarding OBL, or he avoided answering the question honestly. Had KSM revealed that detail, Bush might have gotten OBL 8 years ago.

And just as importantly, the whole time KSM was shielding Abu Ahmed’s true identity while being waterboarded, KSM was also lying to the CIA about where OBL was. When asked what things he lied about under torture at his 2007 CSRT hearing, KSM specifically said he first said he didn’t know of OBL’s whereabouts, and then confirmed false locations for him, in response to the torture.

68 Usually refered to as anyways  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:16:50pm

re: #59 albusteve

I didn’t…I say execute the guy or stuff him away forever…it hardly matters to the people where he is tried…it’s been a pathetic political gesture to try and close down Gitmo…both BO and Holder know that now…at least they are learning

So then I take it you would have been equally accurate with this:
KSM should have been pushing up daisies years ago…total failure of the Bush admin and the total failure of the BO admin…ice the guy and move on

69 Kid A  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:16:56pm

Google Santorum was at a gay pride march.
Image: Sign_35.jpg

70 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:17:19pm

re: #67 goddamnedfrank

He didn’t give up the real name of the courier.

Ah, I misspoke. He gave up the alias.

71 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:18:11pm

re: #68 ozbloke

So then I take it you would have been equally accurate with this:
KSM should have been pushing up daisies years ago…total failure of the Bush admin and the total failure of the BO admin…ice the guy and move on

if you have a point, I’m missing it

72 goddamnedfrank  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:19:12pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Ah, I misspoke. He gave up the alias.

Months later, under normal interrogation, not under torture.

Again, post hoc ergo propter hoc.

73 blueraven  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:21:11pm

re: #39 albusteve

how do they?

He was captured when? In about 2003 or earlier…They had years to do something with him. How come all the issues that came before Obama are all his fault, but according to some republicans, the credit for the killing of OBL goes to Bush.

74 Usually refered to as anyways  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:21:17pm

re: #71 albusteve

if you have a point, I’m missing it

I was just looking for a bit less partisanship and a bit more accuracy in you not have your death wish fulfilled for KSM.

75 MinisterO  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:23:24pm

Santorum, Gingrich, Palin, Bachmann, Paul, Cain and Trump are irrelevant. They’re noise candidates; they get a lot of press but hardly anybody really believes in them.

The money is on Romney, Pawlenty, Daniels and (recently and surprisingly) Hunstman.

76 celticdragon  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:25:07pm

re: #30 albusteve

KSM should have been pushing up daisies years ago…total failure of the BO admin…ice the guy and move on

Maybe you missed the part where we don’t do summary executions of prisoners.

As for fucking up the trial and interrogation process…BOP had nothing to do with it.

Courts-Marital prosecutors have been complaining for the last four years that they can’t even be certain who they are prosecuting or what the crimes even are, since people were sent to GITMO without reliable records or even being certain of their actual names or status.

77 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:25:15pm

re: #72 goddamnedfrank

Months later, under normal interrogation, not under torture.

Again, post hoc ergo propter hoc.

Bogus talking point. Heard it before.

78 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:26:55pm

Frothy Mixture


yep, you’ll still have a google problem, Rick

79 celticdragon  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:27:30pm

re: #75 MinisterO

Santorum, Gingrich, Palin, Bachmann, Paul, Cain and Trump are irrelevant. They’re noise candidates; they get a lot of press but hardly anybody really believes in them.

The money is on Romney, Pawlenty, Daniels and (recently and surprisingly) Hunstman.

Romney has no chance with the Tea Party base, and Huntsmen even less (he is both Mormon and pro civil union).

The other two are empty suits.

The tea crowd wants Palin and/or Bachmann.

80 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:27:41pm

re: #73 blueraven

He was captured when? In about 2003 or earlier…They had years to do something with him. How come all the issues that came before Obama are all his fault, but according to some republicans, the credit for the killing of OBL goes to Bush.

IIRC, Steve has credited Obama with taking care of OBL.
I’m not sure, then, why you’re asking him this question - I’m not sure he could know what drives others.


re: #71 albusteve

if you have a point, I’m missing it

Steve - Odd how people are saying they are certain that a statement they make must be an accurate take on your mindset; I’m not sure how they could know what your mindset is, other than what you actually say or clarify later. Not sure it’s possible for an actual discussion to take place under these sorts of conditions, it’s just a game of “gotcha” with them making

assumptions

.

81 celticdragon  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:28:28pm

re: #77 Killgore Trout

Bogus talking point. Heard it before.

You mean you just ignore it since it doesn’t work for you.

82 engineer cat  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:29:10pm

re: #75 MinisterO

Santorum, Gingrich, Palin, Bachmann, Paul, Cain and Trump are irrelevant. They’re noise candidates; they get a lot of press but hardly anybody really believes in them.

The money is on Romney, Pawlenty, Daniels and (recently and surprisingly) Hunstman.

if you read freek republic, they love palin and cain, and despise romney. they are also sure that they themselves, the freepers, are the Only True Patriots And Conservatives who deserve to make policy and tell the republican party what to do

i think probably there’s millions and millions of ‘em

Pawlenty, Daniels and Huntsman haven’t come up enuf on the radar to draw comment…

83 blueraven  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:29:18pm

re: #77 Killgore Trout

Bogus talking point. Heard it before.

Its funny how the goal post has moved on torture. At first it was only to be used within the “ticking time bomb” scenario to get immediate information. Now the rationale has changed to “it is used to break them over time”.

Strange how that works.

84 goddamnedfrank  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:29:32pm

re: #75 MinisterO

Santorum, Gingrich, Palin, Bachmann, Paul, Cain and Trump are irrelevant. They’re noise candidates; they get a lot of press but hardly anybody really believes in them.

The money is on Romney, Pawlenty, Daniels and (recently and surprisingly) Hunstman.

I think the real problem is seen in what happened to Gingrich, Huckabee and Trump the Republicans are now entirely shackled to the Ryan budget, xenophobes and birthers. Romney and Huntsman don’t stand a chance, too compromised on health care and crippled by their own ability to reason. It’s down to the “who dats” Pawlenty and Daniels.

85 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:29:41pm

Al-Makki, key operative between bin Laden and al-Zawahiri

Al Qaeda’s Yemeni link Abu Sohaib al-Makki, who was arrested by Pakistani security agencies, was a “key courier” between the organization’s former head Osama bin Laden and second-in-command Aiman al-Zawahiri, a report said.

Al-Makki, also known as Muhammad Ali Qasim Yaqub, a senior al Qaeda operative, was detained by the police in Karachi’s Gulshan-e-Iqbal, the military said.


Unlike KSM he won’t get a medically supervised waterboarding or a trial in GITMO. He’ll be brutally tortured, maimed, disfigured, etc and will probably never be heard from again. We’ll still benefit from the intel he coughs up before he’s executed in secret.

87 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:30:11pm

re: #81 celticdragon

You mean you just ignore it since it doesn’t work for you.

Could also be that you ignore what Killgore says because it doesn’t work for you.

Jeez - what happened to discussions? Why is everyone so damned eager to throw around accusations that end a conversation rather than talking it through? What are you scared of?

88 MinisterO  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:30:14pm

re: #79 celticdragon

Romney has no chance with the Tea Party base, and Huntsmen even less (he is both Mormon and pro civil union).

The other two are empty suits.

The tea crowd wants Palin and/or Bachmann.

They won’t get them. The money is right.

89 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:31:27pm

re: #87 reine.de.tout
Don’t worry about it. People are passionate, it’s just not something that can’t be discussed openly here. It’s not a big deal.

90 celticdragon  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:32:02pm

re: #65 engineer dog

the romans really knew how to take care of these things

ever hear of oubliettes?

Yep. That is what we did to Jose Padilla.

It also was blatantly unconstitutional, and the Bush admin had to rush and put him in the civilian court system before they could get slapped down by the SCOTUS, since even Scalia isn’t going to go along with years of solitary pre trial confinement, sensory deprivation and refusal to allow contact with counsel or any other human.

91 MinisterO  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:32:22pm

re: #84 goddamnedfrank

I think the real problem is seen in what happened to Gingrich, Huckabee and Trump the Republicans are now entirely shackled to the Ryan budget, xenophobes and birthers. Romney and Huntsman don’t stand a chance, too compromised on health care and crippled by their own ability to reason. It’s down to the “who dats” Pawlenty and Daniels.

There’s no question in my mind that Daniels and Pawlenty are the candidates to watch, and the only ones who could realistically beat Obama.

92 Usually refered to as anyways  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:32:26pm

re: #80 reine.de.tout

re: #71 albusteve

if you have a point, I’m missing it

Steve - Odd how people are saying they are certain that a statement they make must be an accurate take on your mindset; I’m not sure how they could know what your mindset is, other than what you actually say or clarify later. Not sure it’s possible for an actual discussion to take place under these sorts of conditions, it’s just a game of “gotcha” with them making

assumptions

.

Hi Reine,
Seeing albusteve’s reply was to me may I ask where you feel I took him out of context or where I did any ‘gotcha’ thing?

I think thats is an unfair comment.

93 celticdragon  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:32:55pm

re: #81 celticdragon

You mean you just ignore it since it doesn’t work for you.

Got a problem with that, Walt?

You know what to do with yourself.

94 blueraven  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:33:22pm

re: #80 reine.de.tout

IIRC, Steve has credited Obama with taking care of OBL.
I’m not sure, then, why you’re asking him this question - I’m not sure he could know what drives others.

re: #71 albusteve

Steve - Odd how people are saying they are certain that a statement they make must be an accurate take on your mindset; I’m not sure how they could know what your mindset is, other than what you actually say or clarify later. Not sure it’s possible for an actual discussion to take place under these sorts of conditions, it’s just a game of “gotcha” with them making

.

I know Steve credited Obama, and quite graciously so. That is why I used some republicans

I just dont understand why he thinks KSM still being alive is Obama’s fault.

95 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:34:07pm

re: #87 reine.de.tout

Could also be that you ignore what Killgore says because it doesn’t work for you.

Jeez - what happened to discussions? Why is everyone so damned eager to throw around accusations that end a conversation rather than talking it through? What are you scared of?

I think the torture thing is a philosophical impasse

Personally, I think torture is barbaric and animalistic and the refuge of cowards and idiots, and reveals our nature as dumb animals at our core, but that’s just me

basically, i don’t trust human beings to have the perspective to torture, we’re not to be trusted as a species to torment each other, the act itself is a breakdown and damaging of civilization, a “giving up” of civilization, if you will

96 goddamnedfrank  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:35:05pm

re: #77 Killgore Trout

Bogus talking point. Heard it before.

It’s a major, well defined logical fallacy. You ignore it because in this case it’s rather inconvenient to maintaing your near religious faith in the efficacy of torture, despite all evidence to the contrary.

98 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:35:20pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

Don’t worry about it. People are passionate, it’s just not something that can’t be discussed openly here. It’s not a big deal.

“MinisterO’ doesn’t like my suggestion there should be a discussion.
LOL.

99 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:36:50pm

Since someone brought up Jose Padilla….
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Met With Jose Padilla, Ex-Chicago Gang Leader, In 2002: WikiLeaks
Interesting. I missed that story.

100 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:36:54pm

re: #92 ozbloke

Hi Reine,
Seeing albusteve’s reply was to me may I ask where you feel I took him out of context or where I did any ‘gotcha’ thing?

I think thats is an unfair comment.

Making a statement and saying to Steve, then I think this is accurate for you? is “gotcha”.

If you want to know more about his mindset, well, ask him a question that he can respond to, don’t make a statement on his behalf that he has to defend himself against. That’s a slick and nasty trick.

101 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:37:19pm

re: #98 reine.de.tout

Heh

102 celticdragon  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:38:10pm

re: #87 reine.de.tout

Could also be that you ignore what Killgore says because it doesn’t work for you.

Jeez - what happened to discussions? Why is everyone so damned eager to throw around accusations that end a conversation rather than talking it through? What are you scared of?

I meant it seriously.

Kilgore is pretty damned smart, and I am working out whether his opinion here is based on empirical sensibilities or an emotional attachment to the concept of “torture can work”.

He makes statements like that above which are based on his subjective understanding and are not really self evident to those he is arguing this with…so I am going with emotional attachment for the time being.

If there is a case to be made for torture, we can have that out…but we have been going over this for over 400 years, haven’t we?

103 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:40:05pm

re: #102 celticdragon

I meant it seriously.

Kilgore is pretty damned smart, and I am working out whether his opinion here is based on empirical sensibilities or an emotional attachment to the concept of “torture can work”.

He makes statements like that above which are based on his subjective understanding and are not really self evident to those he is arguing this with…so I am going with emotional attachment for the time being.

If there is a case to be made for torture, we can have that out…but we have been going over this for over 400 years, haven’t we?

And people have been debating about the existence of god for thousands of years… does that make the conversation worthless?

104 Usually refered to as anyways  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:40:08pm

re: #100 reine.de.tout

Making a statement and saying to Steve, then I think this is accurate for you? is “gotcha”.

If you want to know more about his mindset, well, ask him a question that he can respond to, don’t make a statement on his behalf that he has to defend himself against. That’s a slick and nasty trick.

Reine,

Can you give me the comment where I said that?

105 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:40:37pm

re: #86 Alouette

Got an anti-Israel troll stalking the pages.

Did you report it to Charles & Stinky?
Please do!

106 goddamnedfrank  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:40:46pm

re: #87 reine.de.tout

Could also be that you ignore what Killgore says because it doesn’t work for you.

Jeez - what happened to discussions? Why is everyone so damned eager to throw around accusations that end a conversation rather than talking it through? What are you scared of?

Killgore isn’t saying anything except that he supports torture. We aren’t ignoring it, we’re pointing out the blatant flaws in his logic. A post hoc fallacy is a fallacy in any argument, especially in this case where the following event occurs months later and in direct response to a different kind of action/approach.

107 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:41:06pm

re: #95 WindUpBird

I think the torture thing is a philosophical impasse

Personally, I think torture is barbaric and animalistic and the refuge of cowards and idiots, and reveals our nature as dumb animals at our core, but that’s just me

basically, i don’t trust human beings to have the perspective to torture, we’re not to be trusted as a species to torment each other, the act itself is a breakdown and damaging of civilization, a “giving up” of civilization, if you will

Aside from the damage done to the person being tortured, I think requiring someone to torture another person on our behalf is an awful thing. I’m convinced that doing something hurtful to another person has a detrimental effect on a person, no matter how good their motives are. So yes, the act itself is a breakdown of civilization on a lot of different fronts, and it’s frightening. It’s also frightening to me to know that a person has information that could be used to save a bunch of people, if the information becomes known. So the question for me is where is the line drawn between true torture and a difficult interrogation? Better minds than mine will have to figure that out.

108 MinisterO  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:41:38pm

re: #98 reine.de.tout

“MinisterO’ doesn’t like my suggestion there should be a discussion.
LOL.

If you phrase your “suggestion” without the prejudice I won’t click the minus sign.

109 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:42:19pm

re: #107 reine.de.tout

From my limited perspective, I this the line is drawn, by each unique individuals personality, and can’t be drawn with a broad brush.

110 celticdragon  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:42:21pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout

Since someone brought up Jose Padilla…
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Met With Jose Padilla, Ex-Chicago Gang Leader, In 2002: WikiLeaks
Interesting. I missed that story.

Doesn’t surprise me. I never said he wasn’t a dirtbag.

We just have laws on how you deal with dirtbags, and a fair trial with fair access to counsel during questioning is one of them. Even traitors (who were far smarter and much more dangerous) like the Rosenburgs got that.

111 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:42:52pm

re: #108 MinisterO

If you phrase your “suggestion” without the prejudice I won’t click the minus sign.

LOL!

112 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:43:18pm

Today’s Libyan Update up!

113 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:43:20pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

Killgore, I don’t feel like you’ve even really attempted to discuss the subject with me, for example. You’ve repeatedly insisted that my response to it is emotional, when I have laid out my purely practical reasons for believing what I do.

I am fine with you thinking the subject can’t be discussed, but please acknowledge that you are also prone to getting het up about it. Otherwise it really looks like you’re saying that you’re right and everyone is being too big a baby to admit it.

114 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:43:32pm

re: #102 celticdragon

I meant it seriously.

Kilgore is pretty damned smart, and I am working out whether his opinion here is based on empirical sensibilities or an emotional attachment to the concept of “torture can work”.

He makes statements like that above which are based on his subjective understanding and are not really self evident to those he is arguing this with…so I am going with emotional attachment for the time being.

If there is a case to be made for torture, we can have that out…but we have been going over this for over 400 years, haven’t we?

I’m not 400 years old, so no. I haven’t followed this closely lately, so I’m not sure what Killgore has said, or even whether I agree with him or not. But to accuse Killgore of dismissing something because it “doesn’t work” for him is just silly, IMO. From what I’ve read of Killgore over the past several years, he almost always has good reasons - I may disagree with him, but his reasons aren’t based on something vague like “it doesn’t work for me”.

115 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:45:24pm

re: #114 reine.de.tout

I regret, only one upding to give.
KT is good about participating in discussion & laying out his (not fuzzy) reasons.

116 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:47:30pm

re: #108 MinisterO

If you phrase your “suggestion” without the prejudice I won’t click the minus sign.

I really don’t care what you do with your minus signs.
It is interesting you find a suggestion for a discussion to be somehow “prejudiced”, and that you don’t much like the suggestion.

117 goddamnedfrank  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:48:26pm

Serious question, which of the 183 waterboardings “broke” KSM so permanently that things he said months later under normal interrogation can be attributed to it?

This is exactly why it’s a post hoc fallacy, if waterboarding actually worked there should be no need to do it more than once, let alone 183 times.

118 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:49:04pm

re: #97 Walter L. Newton

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Oh, that’s ugly.

119 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:49:11pm

re: #104 ozbloke

Reine,

Can you give me the comment where I said that?


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I didn’t…I say execute the guy or stuff him away forever…it hardly matters to the people where he is tried…it’s been a pathetic political gesture to try and close down Gitmo…both BO and Holder know that now…at least they are learning

So then I take it you would have been equally accurate with this:
KSM should have been pushing up daisies years ago…total failure of the Bush admin and the total failure of the BO admin
…ice the guy and move on

120 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:49:35pm

This is almost like trying to discuss the abortion issue here in 2007. Almost.

I can see merit in both sides of the argument, when discussed rationally.

Does it fuck up our “moral high ground”? Yes, to a degree, I believe it does. Will I be shedding any tears for unlawful combatants that employ terror tactics? Not even if you were squeezing my left nut.

121 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:49:52pm

re: #118 Alouette

Oh, that’s ugly.

Not unexpected… I saw it coming.

122 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:50:56pm

re: #118 Alouette

Oh, that’s ugly.

And stupid, and ass backwards, and…

123 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:51:05pm

re: #120 Slumbering Behemoth

This is almost like trying to discuss the abortion issue here in 2007. Almost.

I can see merit in both sides of the argument, when discussed rationally.

Does it fuck up our “moral high ground”? Yes, to a degree, I believe it does. Will I be shedding any tears for unlawful combatants that employ terror tactics? Not even if you were squeezing my left nut.

Upding, although I don’t have a left nut to be squozed.

124 celticdragon  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:51:43pm

re: #114 reine.de.tout

I’m not 400 years old, so no. I haven’t followed this closely lately, so I’m not sure what Killgore has said, or even whether I agree with him or not. But to accuse Killgore of dismissing something because it “doesn’t work” for him is just silly, IMO. From what I’ve read of Killgore over the past several years, he almost always has good reasons - I may disagree with him, but his reasons aren’t based on something vague like “it doesn’t work for me”.

He has yet to go beyond that in the discussions I have read with him on the subject. He made the above statement:

Bogus talking point. Heard it before.

Based on what?

It is reported in the NYT and numerous other reputable outlets that KSM did not give up the name of the courier under torture and in fact his refusal to even admit he knew of the guy (under torture) itself became suspicious.

But this is a “bogus talking point” it seems.

No attempt to actually back it up, so I must assume it is based on something other then factual, arguable points. This was a pattern in an earlier argument on the same subject…but it does not fit any other discussion I have read or participated in with Kilgore.

So I think his reasoning here is working on something else instead of what I consider to be his normal good judgement.

Everybody here has done the same thing…and will do it again at some point, btw. Me more then most, I suspect.

125 Simply Sarah  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:51:52pm

Watching this same basic conversation a few times now, it becomes pretty clear that the strong emotions the subject, understandably, brings up in people here somewhat poisons the whole discussion before it even starts. Which isn’t to say it can’t be discussed, it just…seems really easy for everyone to quickly get lost in it all. Maybe we need a 10 deep breath before replying rule (I’m not sure if I’m joking with that or not).

126 Varek Raith  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:51:59pm

re: #123 reine.de.tout

Upding, although I don’t have a left nut to be squozed.

Must….not….joke…..

..
.

127 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:52:10pm

re: #105 Floral Giraffe

Did you report it to Charles & Stinky?
Please do!

I want to keep it around to toy with.

128 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:52:57pm

re: #106 goddamnedfrank

Killgore isn’t saying anything except that he supports torture. We aren’t ignoring it, we’re pointing out the blatant flaws in his logic. A post hoc fallacy is a fallacy in any argument, especially in this case where the following event occurs months later and in direct response to a different kind of action/approach.

ooh, that’s too confusing for me. You already know I’m stupid, you’ve told me a few times. I don’t know why you bother trying to explain things to me.

129 Usually refered to as anyways  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:54:21pm

re: #119 reine.de.tout

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So then I take it you would have been equally accurate with this:
KSM should have been pushing up daisies years ago…total failure of the Bush admin and the total failure of the BO admin
…ice the guy and move on

“then I think this is accurate for you?”
is not the same as:
“So then I take it you would have been equally accurate with this:”

Odd how people are saying they are certain that a statement they make must be an accurate take; I’m not sure how they could know what my mindset is, other than what I actually say or clarify later. Not sure it’s possible for an actual discussion to take place under these sorts of conditions, it’s just a game of “gotcha” with them making assumptions/

130 Varek Raith  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:54:26pm

re: #120 Slumbering Behemoth

Let’s discuss Gorebull warming and eeevilution!
/

131 Usually refered to as anyways  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:55:59pm

re: #119 reine.de.tout

So then I take it you would have been equally accurate with this:
KSM should have been pushing up daisies years ago…total failure of the Bush admin and the total failure of the BO admin
…ice the guy and move on

“then I think this is accurate for you?”
is not the same as:
“So then I take it you would have been equally accurate with this:”

Odd how people are saying they are certain that a statement they make must be an accurate take; I’m not sure how they could know what my mindset is, other than what I actually say or clarify later. Not sure it’s possible for an actual discussion to take place under these sorts of conditions, it’s just a game of “gotcha” with them making assumptions/

132 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:56:16pm

re: #130 Varek Raith

Let’s discuss Gorebull warming and eeevilution!
/

Both Jewish conspiracies to dominate and control the world. Rev. Pike Prick told me so.
/

133 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:56:20pm
134 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:56:51pm

re: #129 ozbloke

re: #131 ozbloke

See:
re: #128 reine.de.tout

ooh, that’s too confusing for me. You already know I’m stupid, you’ve told me a few times. I don’t know why you bother trying to explain things to me.

135 Simply Sarah  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:57:24pm

re: #133 Obdicut

Boy, Anonymous are up to good works!

Arrested Man Credits 4chan With Helping Him Grow His Child Porn Collection

OK, I’m going to call BS on that. For whatever failings 4chan might have, I know for a fact that they do *not* tolerate pedophiles.

136 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:57:37pm

BBL

137 celticdragon  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:57:44pm

re: #133 Obdicut

Boy, Anonymous are up to good works!

Arrested Man Credits 4chan With Helping Him Grow His Child Porn Collection

Yow.

That is some sick, twisted…

I am not going on further on that.

The subject gets my blood pressure up real quick.

138 Usually refered to as anyways  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:57:54pm

re: #134 reine.de.tout

re: #131 ozbloke

See:
re: #128 reine.de.tout

Thanks, I will take that as an apology and move on.

139 celticdragon  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:58:16pm

re: #125 Simply Sarah

Watching this same basic conversation a few times now, it becomes pretty clear that the strong emotions the subject, understandably, brings up in people here somewhat poisons the whole discussion before it even starts. Which isn’t to say it can’t be discussed, it just…seems really easy for everyone to quickly get lost in it all. Maybe we need a 10 deep breath before replying rule (I’m not sure if I’m joking with that or not).

True.

140 Varek Raith  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:58:24pm

re: #132 Slumbering Behemoth

Both Jewish conspiracies to dominate and control the world. Rev. Pike Prick told me so.
/

Way too complicated for a conspiracy.
Lol.

141 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:59:04pm

re: #133 Obdicut

There have been rumors about that sort of thing going on there for years.

142 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 18, 2011 4:59:49pm

re: #135 Simply Sarah

OK, I’m going to call BS on that. For whatever failings 4chan might have, I know for a fact that they do *not* tolerate pedophiles.

Would you like to share those “facts?”

143 celticdragon  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:00:40pm

BBL

And I am not at all angry with you or trying to pick a fight with you, Kilgore. :)

I will absolutely challenge you, though, when you are being lazy on this issue, and you are being lazy.

144 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:01:06pm

re: #135 Simply Sarah

OK, I’m going to call BS on that. For whatever failings 4chan might have, I know for a fact that they do *not* tolerate pedophiles.

Huh? What are you talking about? Weren’t you around for the Jessi Slaughter incident?

I’d say trying to get an underage girl to show her breasts counts as tolerating pedophiles just fine.

The mods remove child pornography when they see it— and claim to report it all to the police. I have no idea if they do. But there’s certainly always been a child porn problem at 4chan. That’s why they shut down the hardcore images thread, because it was too hard to police.

145 wrenchwench  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:02:15pm
146 celticdragon  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:02:56pm

re: #142 Walter L. Newton

Would you like to share those “facts?”

4chan has a long track record of pursuing child porn pervs on the net and trying to do things to them IRL. The internationally know “pedobear” symbol as a warning that a perv is around came from 4chan.

I would agree that this would be out of character for them, although nothing is impossible.

147 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:02:59pm

Science…

Space Surveillance Radar

METEOR ECHOES : The Air Force Space Surveillance Radar is scanning the skies above Texas. When a meteor or satellite passes over the facility—ping!—there is an echo. Click on the button to listen to a live audio feed:

[Link: www.spaceweatherradio.com…]

148 goddamnedfrank  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:03:17pm

re: #128 reine.de.tout

ooh, that’s too confusing for me. You already know I’m stupid, you’ve told me a few times. I don’t know why you bother trying to explain things to me.

That’s a nice preemptive victimhood you’ve got going there.

149 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:04:09pm

re: #145 wrenchwench

Later, lizards.

I’m out too. Laters all.

150 Simply Sarah  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:04:16pm

re: #142 Walter L. Newton

Would you like to share those “facts?”

Well, I don’t browse the site, personally, but everyone I know that does has made it very clear that anyone pulling that pretty much gets strung up. Now, could there be child porn posted there? Sure, but I doubt it stays longer than it takes for a mod to get to it.

I look at it this way. 4chan has a *huge* target on it. moot knows this. There are boatloads of people that would jump at the chance to take it down and child pornography charges would do the trick quite nicely. All I ever hear about 4chan and the subject is, well, rumors. If it was so easy to find, I’d have figured there was more evidence. At worse, I’d assume it was drawn art representing underage characters…which I don’t think is illegal but that part of law seems to be somewhat up in the air.

151 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:05:03pm

re: #146 celticdragon

They do both, because if there’s one thing they are, it’s incoherent. There are pedophiles and anti-pedophiles, both. They certainly love their pedophile manga.

152 Simply Sarah  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:06:38pm

re: #144 Obdicut

Huh? What are you talking about? Weren’t you around for the Jessi Slaughter incident?

I’d say trying to get an underage girl to show her breasts counts as tolerating pedophiles just fine.

The mods remove child pornography when they see it— and claim to report it all to the police. I have no idea if they do. But there’s certainly always been a child porn problem at 4chan. That’s why they shut down the hardcore images thread, because it was too hard to police.

I can agree with that, in so much that moderators aren’t screening everything posted and 4chan attracts some, uh, less than desirable types. I just don’t think it’s fair to blame 4chan as being a major source of child porn. If anything, it seems like the kind of place that would make it more likely for someone to be caught.

153 celticdragon  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:07:01pm

re: #151 Obdicut

They do both, because if there’s one thing they are, it’s incoherent. There are pedophiles and anti-pedophiles, both. They certainly love their pedophile manga.

It is called “hentai” animation, and it is some really bad stuff. Girls with tentacle monsters and demons. I refuse to link.

Out for now.

154 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:07:30pm

re: #150 Simply Sarah

They asked Jessi Slaughter, a 12 year old girl, to post naked pictures of herself in the thread. 4channers also found out all her personal info and made death threats against her.

That’s a combo of pedophilia and, well, I don’t know what to call the death threat bullshit.

155 Varek Raith  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:07:31pm

RAWR I’M A SHARK!…
Wait…
[Link: www.zooborns.com…]

156 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:07:31pm

re: #80 reine.de.tout

been away…thanks for the back up

157 Simply Sarah  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:08:34pm

re: #153 celticdragon

It is called “hentai” animation, and it is some really bad stuff. Girls with tentacle monsters and demons. I refuse to link.

Out for now.

Well, like normal porn, it can range from fairly classy to utterly revolting. That being said, I don’t have nearly as big a problem with virtual representations as I do with the real thing.

158 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:10:01pm

re: #148 goddamnedfrank

That’s a nice preemptive victimhood you’ve got going there.

consider your own posts if that’s too much to ask

159 Ojoe  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:10:58pm

All this political posturing will be disregarded one way or another when a field decision has to be made, wether to waterboard or not.

160 Simply Sarah  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:11:48pm

re: #154 Obdicut

They asked Jessi Slaughter, a 12 year old girl, to post naked pictures of herself in the thread. 4channers also found out all her personal info and made death threats against her.

That’s a combo of pedophilia and, well, I don’t know what to call the death threat bullshit.

I didn’t say that there went plenty of idiots and, well, monsters, there. I am in no way endorsing 4chan. I just think it’s unfair to paint the entire site/user-base due to it. I mean, looking at some of the videos and comments on it, I could probably make a decent argument against Youtube along the same lines.

161 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:11:52pm

re: #159 Ojoe

All this political posturing will be disregarded one way or another when a field decision has to be made, wether to waterboard or not.

It’s not political. It’s practical.

162 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:12:29pm

re: #143 celticdragon

BBL

And I am not at all angry with you or trying to pick a fight with you, Kilgore. :)

I will absolutely challenge you, though, when you are being lazy on this issue, and you are being lazy.

That’s ok but I think you’re still missing the point of what I’m saying. I prefer Obama’s approach to Bush’s. I have no problem with not openly admiting to using waterboarding. We are in agreement that Obama’s methods work better and have fewer legal complications. But we differ in why we both prefer Obama’s war on terror. I like it because it’s hard handed, tougher and dare I say more brutal than Bush’s approach. You seem to like it because it makes you feel better. I’m just taking the moral low ground because I think it’s more realistic.

163 Ojoe  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:14:42pm

Listening to politicians is torture.

164 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:15:27pm

re: #163 Ojoe

Listening to politicians is torture.

but then listening to KT is refreshing, no?

165 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:15:47pm

re: #107 reine.de.tout

Aside from the damage done to the person being tortured, I think requiring someone to torture another person on our behalf is an awful thing. I’m convinced that doing something hurtful to another person has a detrimental effect on a person, no matter how good their motives are. So yes, the act itself is a breakdown of civilization on a lot of different fronts, and it’s frightening. It’s also frightening to me to know that a person has information that could be used to save a bunch of people, if the information becomes known. So the question for me is where is the line drawn between true torture and a difficult interrogation? Better minds than mine will have to figure that out.

If a person has information? Then they have information.

I’ll never agree that torture should even be a possibility, it’s inhuman, and the notion that our government does it is barbaric.

I find it as abhorrent as child rape, and I find it more evil than terrorism or murder, because it’s a systemic government normalization of inhuman barbarism. If we normalize torture, we may as well normalize rape as a way for the government to get what it wants. Personally, I’d rather be raped than tortured. To me, it’s as if the US government normalized and practiced cannibalism, and paid people to cannibalize human beings. So yeah, my mind is quite made up on the issue.

Where the line is drawn is not really a thing I can say, I don’t have a doctorate in psychology, I’m not a doctor, or a researcher into the way the human mind works. I don’t have access to the roomfuls of equipment it takes to analyze brain waves. I would trust an esteemed panel of doctors and psychologists and researchers to make that distinction. I sure as hell wouldn’t trust anyone within the military to make such a distinction, the conflict of interest is as clear as day.

166 Ojoe  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:15:53pm

re: #164 albusteve

Yes.

167 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:16:56pm

re: #164 albusteve

but then listening to KT is refreshing, no?

MAybe I should run for the republican nomination. I could be the “refreshing” candidate.
/

168 zora  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:17:13pm

[Link: www.csmonitor.com…]

My time with John McCain, and why I know he’s so adamantly anti-torture


Possible presidential candidate Rick Santorum says Sen. John McCain ‘doesn’t understand how enhanced interrogation works.’ Who knows better than the former POW?

In a Washington Post op-ed column, McCain had pointed out that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed – waterboarded 183 times – in fact “produced false and misleading information” about the identity of the courier who proved to be the key link to bin Laden.

“According to the staff of the Senate intelligence committee, the best intelligence gained from a CIA detainee … was obtained through standard, noncoercive means,” McCain wrote, echoing what CIA director Leon Panetta has asserted as well.

“I know from personal experience that the abuse of prisoners sometimes produces good intelligence but often produces bad intelligence because under torture a person will say anything he thinks his captors want to hear – true or false – if he believes it will relieve his suffering,” McCain wrote.

169 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:18:03pm

re: #165 WindUpBird

Personally, I’d rather be raped than tortured.


Is there a third option?

170 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:19:11pm

re: #167 Killgore Trout

MAybe I should run for the republican nomination. I could be the “refreshing” candidate.
/

we have plans for you, but we can say no more at this point

171 Stanley Sea  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:21:39pm

It always comes down to this. Terrorism is meant to cause terror, to have you give up your morals and normalities based on fear and hate.

It works. We as a country did just that. And many don’t realize you’ve fucking been played. They succeeded.

172 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:22:13pm

re: #169 Killgore Trout

Is there a third option?

yes, make him eat a potato

173 zora  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:24:20pm

i would say that rape is a form of torture and is used at such.

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk…]

‘Torture, murder and rape’ — Iran’s way of breaking the opposition

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk…]

Libyan woman tells journalists in Tripoli that regime’s men raped and tortured her

[Link: womensspace.wordpress.com…]

The Padlocked Vagina — Rape as Torture in the Congo

174 TedStriker  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:24:24pm

re: #171 Stanley Sea

It always comes down to this. Terrorism is meant to cause terror, to have you give up your morals and normalities based on fear and hate.

It works. We as a country did just that. And many don’t realize you’ve fucking been played. They succeeded.

Unfortunately, I’d have to agree, in regards to some points of national security. In some ways, we have indeed become what we hated, which irks me.

175 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:26:13pm

re: #160 Simply Sarah

I’m not painting the entire user base due to it. I didn’t say all 4channers did anything, or all of Anonymous did anything.

The site itself has been well-known as a good place for finding child porn links— as far as relatively mainstream websites go— for a long time.

176 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:26:18pm

re: #174 talon_262

Unfortunately, I’d have to agree, in regards to some points of national security. In some ways, we have indeed become what we hated, which irks me.

not sure about that, but I’m thinking about it…so much depends how you look at things

177 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:26:40pm

re: #173 zora

I’d actually say rape is used as a weapon, in many instances.
Even more, a power play.

178 Stanley Sea  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:30:46pm

Such perfect timing.

Dorothy Parvaz: Inside Syria’s secret prisons

‘We could clearly hear the interrogator pummelling his fists into his subject,’ writes our correspondent.

[Link: english.aljazeera.net…]

179 darthstar  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:30:52pm

All this talk of rape and torture…I’m sure today’s big thing was about something far more appetizing to talk about…

[Link: www.todaysbigthing.com…]

180 darthstar  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:31:48pm

re: #179 darthstar

All this talk of rape and torture…I’m sure today’s big thing was about something far more appetizing to talk about…

[Link: www.todaysbigthing.com…]

Heh…the little fucker dances like I do…a regular rubber-band man.

181 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:31:50pm

re: #179 darthstar

Sheep in the trees!

182 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:31:53pm

re: #177 Floral Giraffe

I’d actually say rape is used as a weapon, in many instances.
Even more, a power play.

rape is how the world became so multi culti which we all want…yes?

183 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:33:53pm

re: #148 goddamnedfrank

That’s a nice preemptive victimhood you’ve got going there.

No pre-emption about it - you’ve said as much to me on several occasions. I find it best that I simply avoid you whenever possible. No victimhood - just - prefer to avoid you.

184 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:34:02pm

re: #182 albusteve

rape is how the world became so multi culti which we all want…yes?

Are you endorsing rape?
Seriously?

185 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:38:20pm

re: #184 Floral Giraffe

Are you endorsing rape?
Seriously?

re: #184 Floral Giraffe

Are you endorsing rape?
Seriously?

no, just telling you the way it is…or was…rape, at several times in our illustrious history was a fact of life, via war reparations or lust, and litle was done about it…centuries later we celebrate multi culturalism, and rape was a large part of the result….it’s hystoric dude

186 goddamnedfrank  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:40:20pm

re: #185 albusteve

re: #184 Floral Giraffe

no, just telling you the way it is…or was…rape, at several times in our illustrious history was a fact of life, via war reparations or lust, and litle was done about it…centuries later we celebrate multi culturalism, and rape was a large part of the result…it’s hystoric dude

What does rape have to do with celebrating multi-culturalism?

187 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:40:24pm

re: #185 albusteve

There is no relationship between multiculturalism and rape, Steve. I have no clue what you’re talking about.

188 zora  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:40:53pm

you have a biracial neice, yes? i suppose she was the result of rape. see how stupid that sounds.

189 zora  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:42:16pm

re: #188 zora

how do i change my font back?

190 Stanley Sea  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:43:00pm

re: #179 darthstar

All this talk of rape and torture…I’m sure today’s big thing was about something far more appetizing to talk about…

[Link: www.todaysbigthing.com…]

OMG, look at May 17, the movie trailer proposal!!! (teary)

191 zora  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:43:03pm

never mind?

192 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:43:09pm

re: #187 Obdicut

There is no relationship between multiculturalism and rape, Steve. I have no clue what you’re talking about.

read up on the Huns, for starters, infusing Stepp genes across all of central Asia and northern Europe…rape was ordinary and common

193 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:43:35pm

re: #192 albusteve

Yes. Rape was ordinary and common.

It has nothing to do with multiculturalism.

194 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:44:31pm

re: #186 goddamnedfrank

What does rape have to do with celebrating multi-culturalism?

Nothing at all.
It’s a diversion, off to where, I don’t know.
Fight Club or something.

195 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:45:40pm

re: #185 albusteve

re: #184 Floral Giraffe

no, just telling you the way it is…or was…rape, at several times in our illustrious history was a fact of life, via war reparations or lust, and litle was done about it…centuries later we celebrate multi culturalism, and rape was a large part of the result…it’s hystorichysterical dude

196 palomino  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:46:15pm

re: #186 goddamnedfrank

What does rape have to do with celebrating multi-culturalism?

Nothing. Multiculturalism doesn’t even depend on having a large number of bi-racial people, whether they were the product of rape or not.

197 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:46:35pm

re: #192 albusteve

That was then, this is now, and you know it.

198 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:46:40pm

re: #193 Obdicut

Yes. Rape was ordinary and common.

It has nothing to do with multiculturalism.

the dominant winners always spread culture, and diluting the genetic pool is a fact…from Khan to Victoria, and abusing the natives is a principle reason why

199 zora  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:47:45pm

torture is as american as apple pie and rape promotes mult-culturism. wtf.

bbl

200 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:48:03pm

re: #198 albusteve

the dominant winners always spread culture, and diluting the genetic pool is a fact…from Khan to Victoria, and abusing the natives is a principle reason why

Steve… it has nothing to do with genetics…

“Multiculturalism is the appreciation, acceptance or promotion of multiple cultures, applied to the demographic make-up of a specific place, usually at the organizational level, e.g. schools, businesses, neighborhoods, cities or nations. In this sense multiculturalism approximates to respect for ethnic diversity”

201 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:48:59pm

re: #196 palomino

OK, the spy has striken my funny bone!
re: #1 wrenchwench

War always stops for cute. ^_^

In with Steve’s rape comments.

202 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:49:36pm

re: #200 Walter L. Newton

Steve… it has nothing to do with genetics…

“Multiculturalism is the appreciation, acceptance or promotion of multiple cultures, applied to the demographic make-up of a specific place, usually at the organizational level, e.g. schools, businesses, neighborhoods, cities or nations. In this sense multiculturalism approximates to respect for ethnic diversity”

I guess I’m not up to snuff with definitions…whatever, cultures blend and become multi…there are historic reasons for that

203 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:51:48pm

re: #177 Floral Giraffe

I’d actually say rape is used as a weapon, in many instances.
Even more, a power play.

Spanish Nationalist general Gonzalo de Queipo Llano had this to say about the conduct of his men during the Civil War of 1936-39:

Our brave Legionaries and Regulares have shown the red cowards what it means to be a man. And, incidentally the wives of reds too. These Communist and Anarchist women, after all, have made themselves fair game by their doctrine of free love. And now they have at least the acquaintance of real men, and not milksops of militiamen. Kicking their legs about and struggling won’t save them.

These were troops of the Spanish Foreign Legion, mostly North Africans, while the “regulares” were the Morroccan regiments of the regular army.

204 goddamnedfrank  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:52:22pm

re: #183 reine.de.tout

No pre-emption about it - you’ve said as much to me on several occasions. I find it best that I simply avoid you whenever possible. No victimhood - just - prefer to avoid you.

As you wish. You’ve called me the Anti-Christ and I got over it, but you’re entitled to hold onto your grudges.

205 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:53:46pm

Thunder snow storm right now.

206 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:53:46pm

re: #203 Shiplord Kirel

That was then, this is now, and you know it.
A reply to Steve, posted above.
And, for the record, just because something was done in the past, DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT.
Rape of a man, woman or child, is by definition forcible violation.

207 Stanley Sea  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:56:00pm

Fuck this torture & rape thread.

We sing your tweets

[Link: wesingyourtweets.posterous.com…]

208 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:57:21pm

re: #206 Floral Giraffe

That was then, this is now, and you know it.
A reply to Steve, posted above.
And, for the record, just because something was done in the past, DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT.
Rape of a man, woman or child, is by definition forcible violation.

I never said it was right…slow down
cultures clash and historically rape is another reward for the victors hardship…it was a tool of repression and at the same time a precursor for a purification effect…as recently as WW11 the Russians were pretty active rapists

209 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:57:41pm

re: #204 goddamnedfrank

As you wish. You’ve called me the Anti-Christ and I got over it, but you’re entitled to hold onto your grudges.

It was a silly and stupid comment in response to Charles posting something about “the anti-christ” has entered the room, and I said as much shortly after. YOU have held onto THAT grudge. I have no grudge. I simply find that my day is much more enjoyable if I avoid you and your direct insults to my intelligence as well as your generally unpleasant way of engaging with people unless they are one of your chosen few.

210 goddamnedfrank  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:59:09pm

re: #198 albusteve

the dominant winners always spread culture, and diluting the genetic pool is a fact…from Khan to Victoria, and abusing the natives is a principle reason why

Unfortunate turn of phrase there. Dilution implies a loss of strength and purity. It’s also not even accurate, there’s a greater genetic difference between any two average individual of the same race than between the aggregate of any two races.

211 HoosierHoops  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:59:29pm

re: #206 Floral Giraffe

That was then, this is now, and you know it.
A reply to Steve, posted above.
And, for the record, just because something was done in the past, DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT.
Rape of a man, woman or child, is by definition forcible violation.

I guess I’m not following the logic here..America is multicultural..You know the old melting pot of the world..
I don’t know of anyone that attributes that to Rape…I don’t know of anyone that has attributed mixing of races through-out history as equivalent of Multiculturalism..
Two different things..IMHO

212 darthstar  Wed, May 18, 2011 5:59:49pm

re: #207 Stanley Sea

Fuck this torture & rape thread.

We sing your tweets

[Link: wesingyourtweets.posterous.com…]

I like the taradublinrocks tweet….

213 Stanley Sea  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:01:19pm

re: #212 darthstar

I like the taradublinrocks tweet…

haha, yes!

214 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:02:02pm

re: #210 goddamnedfrank

Unfortunate turn of phrase there. Dilution implies a loss of strength and purity. It’s also not even accurate, there’s a greater genetic difference between any two average individual of the same race than between the aggregate of any two races.

Attila was not a geneticist

215 darthstar  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:03:30pm

re: #207 Stanley Sea

Fuck this torture & rape thread.

We sing your tweets

[Link: wesingyourtweets.posterous.com…]

here’s the one:

[Link: wesingyourtweets.posterous.com…]

216 darthstar  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:06:11pm

Shit…al Qaeda just released a tape said to be from Osama bin Laden…I knew I was taking too long coming up with my own posthumous tape of bin Laden.

217 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:07:27pm

re: #211 HoosierHoops

Hello you!
A breath of fresh air, into a turning nasty thread!
*waves*

218 Lidane  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:07:43pm
219 enigma3535  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:09:25pm

This one will monitor the GOP field for the presidency in 2012 with some angst as they play themselves out “hewing to the base”; positioning themselves as “true conservatives” .. not RINOs.

That said, it seems relatively certain that the GOP is lacking in their current field of candidates … time will tell if someone can usurp Obama in 2012 … I hope there is a meaningful choice when I go into the ballot box.

220 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:12:02pm

re: #216 darthstar

Shit…al Qaeda just released a tape said to be from Osama bin Laden…I knew I was taking too long coming up with my own posthumous tape of bin Laden.

did he allude to an Excedrin headache coming on?

221 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:12:35pm

The Wall

222 Stanley Sea  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:13:09pm

Noah, Haslem, Mike Miller = Gators.

It’s Yannick’s 51’s b-day too.

Joakim & Yannick

Oh, and gah LeBron.

223 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:13:44pm

re: #221 Killgore Trout

The Wall

[Video]

now that is downright groovy

224 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:15:29pm
225 Lidane  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:16:10pm
226 funky chicken  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:16:15pm

Holy Shit.

227 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:16:47pm

re: #224 Killgore Trout

LOL!

“It’s like a family farm,”’ Bowman said.
228 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:17:56pm

re: #224 Killgore Trout

A visit to Oregon’s largest legal marijuana farm
No, it’s not my house

the feds are going to shut all this stuff down…talk about inept leadership, confusion and waste of time

229 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:19:29pm

re: #169 Killgore Trout

Is there a third option?


the point is I think morally they’re equivalent horrors, especially when our government is normalizing it

I know I’m in the minority, our country has a thing for torture, else we wouldn’t be making hit shows with it as a major plot device season after season

230 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:21:29pm

I know this isn’t the Libya thread I made, but something is going on in Tripoli:

Mark Stone
There is something strange going on in Tripoli tonight. We are told this gunfire is all celebratory. But the timing is very interesting.

4 minutes ago via twitter for iphone

Kempo50: RT @Tripolitanian: #Libya State TV attempting to show as many cities as possible with orchestrated rallies in support of #Gaddafi - and its 3:00am
less than 20 seconds ago

mark stone

Lots of UNCONFIRMED reports of clashes in areas away from Rixos. Is what we at seeing and hearing a diversion? I dont know. #Libya

231 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:21:57pm

re: #229 WindUpBird

the point is I think morally they’re equivalent horrors, especially when our government is normalizing it

I know I’m in the minority, our country has a thing for torture, else we wouldn’t be making hit shows with it as a major plot device season after season

agreed, Dancing With The Stars is torture…should be illegal, turning a vast number of Americans into tap shoe zombies

232 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:24:40pm

I’ll bet 2/3 of the posters here are DWTS junkies but won’t admit it…
Emmitt in 2012!

233 Stanley Sea  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:25:44pm

NOAH

234 Stanley Sea  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:27:15pm

re: #232 albusteve

I’ll bet 2/3 of the posters here are DWTS junkies but won’t admit it…
Emmitt in 2012!

Funny thing with all those crap shows, I know all about them by reading on the net, but I never ever watch. Except for Top Chef and Project Runway. HAHAHA

235 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:27:41pm

re: #231 albusteve

agreed, Dancing With The Stars is torture…should be illegal, turning a vast number of Americans into tap shoe zombies

hahaha oh God

I’m so cut off from normal Tv, I watch one show that is current, the rest are just DVDs or on demand

236 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:28:27pm

re: #231 albusteve

agreed, Dancing With The Stars is torture…should be illegal, turning a vast number of Americans into tap shoe zombies

Racist… what do you have against tap dancing?

237 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:29:18pm

TV just cut over to Rahm Emmanuel.

If the Bulls win? He’ll probably take all the credit.
/

GO BULLS!

238 albusteve  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:29:48pm

spectacular views of Chicago from TNT

239 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:30:48pm

re: #231 albusteve

You may be surprised. I don’t even watch enough TV to watch that shit.

240 prairiefire  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:30:51pm

I caught an episode of DWTS once that I liked. I can’t remember who was dancing now.
I like the televised (scripted) train wreck that is the Real Housewives series. makes me feel superior and if I should contemplate a spray on tan (not).

241 Stanley Sea  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:31:05pm

Uh, tomorrow is a big speech from POTUS, I’m sure you all know.

242 Usually refered to as anyways  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:32:02pm

re: #241 Stanley Sea

Uh, tomorrow is a big speech from POTUS, I’m sure you all know.

About the end of the world?

/ Runs around screaming.

243 Stanley Sea  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:32:08pm

re: #240 prairiefire

I caught an episode of DWTS once that I liked. I can’t remember who was dancing now.
I like the televised (scripted) train wreck that is the Real Housewives series. makes me feel superior and if I should contemplate a spray on tan (not).

Which one? ha

244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:32:32pm

re: #240 prairiefire

Major arguing point with my wife and me.

I keep saying, “You’d fucking hate these people in real life! Why do you watch them!?!?”

She doesn’t care.

245 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:35:09pm

re: #244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

LGF is more interesting & engaging than the TeeVee.
Just my 2 cents.

246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:36:00pm

re: #245 Floral Giraffe

LGF is more interesting & engaging than the TeeVee.
Just my 2 cents.

But (sorry) not nearly as funny as “Modern Family”. It rocks!

247 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:36:56pm

re: #237 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If they don’t, they get an unpleasant present.

/half

248 prairiefire  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:37:17pm

re: #244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Major arguing point with my wife and me.

I keep saying, “You’d fucking hate these people in real life! Why do you watch them!?!?”

She doesn’t care.

It’s like reading the right wing blogs. It is safe from a distance. The OBGYN in Augusta, GA that delivered Alphredra’s baby is the Doc who did an amnio on my first baby. My jaw dropped when I saw him.

249 funky chicken  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:37:35pm

re: #34 moderatelyradicalliberal

I’m actually a bit pissed at this. I’m just really tired of these ignorant no-nothings and I don’t care who they direct their foolishness at. This was really low and very disrespectful. But then again this is the same fool who said I have betrayed my blackness by being pro-choice.

[Link: www.theatlanticwire.com…]

unfuckingbelievable, isn’t he? and if you think gay marriage is OK you also support bestiality

250 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:37:50pm

re: #247 ProLifeLiberal

Iraqi Olympic soccer style? Or worse.

251 Stanley Sea  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:38:13pm

re: #248 prairiefire

It’s like reading the right wing blogs. It is safe from a distance. The OBGYN in Augusta, GA that delivered Alphredra’s baby is the Doc who did an amnio on my first baby. My jaw dropped when I saw him.

HA!! 6 degrees and all that.

252 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:38:26pm

re: #249 funky chicken

unfuckingbelievable, isn’t he? and if you think gay marriage is OK you also support bestiality

What if the Aardvark is sexy?

253 Stanley Sea  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:39:38pm

re: #249 funky chicken

unfuckingbelievable, isn’t he? and if you think gay marriage is OK you also support bestiality

It’s a dog whistle racist lifer talking point. Make abortion all about black people.

It’s fucking insane.

254 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:41:32pm

re: #249 funky chicken

unfuckingbelievable, isn’t he? and if you think gay marriage is OK you also support bestiality

And, what is wrong with consenting beastiality?
/// if I must!

255 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:42:42pm

re: #247 ProLifeLiberal

If they don’t, they get an unpleasant present.

/half

“Hey, Mayor. Thanks for the boat ride into Lake Michigan. But, did Nike really start making cement sneakers?”

256 funky chicken  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:44:34pm

re: #252 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What if the Aardvark is sexy?

LOLZ. I guess we could put out word that armadillos are really hot. Then the freaks could at least catch leprosy.

257 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:44:49pm

re: #228 albusteve

the feds are going to shut all this stuff down…talk about inept leadership, confusion and waste of time

Yeah, I’m pretty convinced it’s going to take federal repeal of prohibition. Obama might try for his second term but it’s a long shot. It’ll happen someday, maybe not soon.

258 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:45:39pm

re: #256 funky chicken

LOLZ. I guess we could put out word that armadillos are really hot. Then the freaks could at least catch leprosy.

Better than cats. They’ll steal your breath.

259 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:49:19pm

re: #250 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Knowing him, a dead opposum. Or a severed bull head. Either one in the mail.

260 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:51:03pm

re: #256 funky chicken

LOLZ. I guess we could put out word that armadillos are really hot. Then the freaks could at least catch leprosy.

♫Leprosy,♪
♫All my pieces falling off of me♪
♪I’m not….
half the man I used to be♫

261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:53:32pm

re: #260 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh, I believe, in leprosy.

262 darthstar  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:57:10pm

re: #261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, I believe, in leprosy.

Would you like—
a part of me?

Yesterday, I could count to ten okay,
Now a barely get half way,
Oh leprosy, dismantle me.

263 darthstar  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:57:38pm

re: #262 darthstar

Would you like—
a part of me?

Yesterday, I could count to ten okay,
Now a barely get half way,
Oh leprosy, dismantle me.

Fuck…should be “Now I barely get half way”…pimf.

264 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:59:29pm

re: #263 darthstar

Fuck…should be “Now I barely get half way”…pimf.

How do you make a leper sausage?

Put a leper in a wind tunnel and a sock at the other end.

265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 18, 2011 6:59:53pm

re: #264 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This isn’t funny to people who can’t clap.

266 darthstar  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:01:16pm

re: #264 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How do you make a leper sausage?

Put a leper in a wind tunnel and a sock at the other end.

What did the leper say to the prostitute?

“Keep the tip.”

267 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:02:17pm

Great Cthulhu’s Tentacles! What have I wrought?

268 darthstar  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:02:59pm

re: #267 Slumbering Behemoth

Great Cthulhu’s Tentacles! What have I wrought?

Okay…I’ll stop…time to make dinner anyway.

Have a good evening, everyone.

269 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:03:35pm

re: #267 Slumbering Behemoth

You’ve hit Skippy’s list?
[Link: skippyslist.com…]

270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:03:59pm

re: #268 darthstar

Okay…I’ll stop…time to make dinner anyway.

Have a good evening, everyone.

What do you call a leper in a hot tub?
Stu.

271 Stanley Sea  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:04:37pm

re: #266 darthstar

What did the leper say to the prostitute?

“Keep the tip.”

SHOULD NOT LAUGH. LAUGHED SO LOUD. scared the pups.

272 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:05:11pm

re: #269 Floral Giraffe

Long time ago. What’s the connection? My memory of that site has decomposed significantly.

273 jaunte  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:05:48pm

re: #266 darthstar

What did the leper say to the prostitute?


“Sorry, I’m a little short today.”

274 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:06:58pm

re: #266 darthstar

What did the leper say to the prostitute?

Uh… could you hand me that?

275 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:08:44pm

I’m really sorry. Leprosy is a horrid disease. Still rampant on Earth.

Shouldn’t make jokes.
.
.
.
.
.
.
THEY STARTED IT!

276 jaunte  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:09:09pm

re: #275 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

277 b_sharp  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:10:35pm

re: #249 funky chicken

unfuckingbelievable, isn’t he? and if you think gay marriage is OK you also support bestiality

WTF, dog fucking isn’t a prerequisite for political office?

278 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:11:18pm

re: #276 jaunte

Well played.
:golf clap:

279 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:11:28pm

re: #272 Slumbering Behemoth

SQUID PIE!

280 b_sharp  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:12:13pm

re: #252 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What if the Aardvark is sexy?

Hey, don’t get me started on the siren’s call of sexy aardvarks. I’ve had way too many bad experiences with them.

281 Stanley Sea  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:12:22pm

re: #275 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I’m really sorry. Leprosy is a horrid disease. Still rampant on Earth.

Shouldn’t make jokes.
.
.
.
.
.
.
THEY STARTED IT!

I am killing myself laughing how I missed out on the leprosy joke phenom.

282 Stanley Sea  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:13:10pm

re: #278 Slumbering Behemoth

Well played.
:golf clap:

more lol. I’m enjoying it. Sorry.

283 b_sharp  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:13:20pm

re: #254 Floral Giraffe

And, what is wrong with consenting beastiality?
/// if I must!

Do you know how hard it is to get an ass to consent?

284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:13:34pm

The “Miss Cleo” in me is seeing some deletions when Stinky gets home.
So, please. Everytime you see delete in the future on this thread?

Think… “deleted” as in “fell off”.

heh

285 engineer cat  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:14:12pm

re: #277 b_sharp

WTF, dog fucking isn’t a prerequisite for political office?

ever since california passed the gay marriage, whenever i go to a bar dogs start hitting on me

and i don’t even dare get near any restaurants serving goat cheese

286 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:15:20pm

re: #281 Stanley Sea

I am killing myself laughing how I missed out on the leprosy joke phenom.

Ah, but are you laughing your ass off?

287 jamesfirecat  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:15:46pm

re: #30 albusteve

KSM should have been pushing up daisies years ago…total failure of the BO admin…ice the guy and move on

///Yeah because nothing says America like killing POWs because we feel like it!

289 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:18:08pm

So far, all the GOP potentials are scoring high marks in the “Condescending Assholes” area.

290 b_sharp  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:18:10pm

re: #287 jamesfirecat

///Yeah because nothing says America like killing POWs because we feel like it!

Fuck yah!

291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:19:45pm

re: #276 jaunte

So… I go OT in “MAH BRAIN!” and try to remember who played Patsy Cline in “Coal Miner’s Daughter”. So I go the googlin’ and find out something I just did not know.

Levon Helm played Loretta Lynn’s father in the movie.

I just did not fuckin’ notice that.

292 Stanley Sea  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:20:48pm

re: #286 Slumbering Behemoth

Ah, but are you laughing your ass off?


Remnants are on the chair.

293 Lidane  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:21:16pm

re: #234 Stanley Sea

Funny thing with all those crap shows, I know all about them by reading on the net, but I never ever watch. Except for Top Chef and Project Runway. HAHAHA

I haven’t watched Project Runway in years. My latest “reality” guilty pleasure is that My Fair Wedding show on one of the women’s networks. The celebrity wedding planner has to take the brides with horrific/tacky weddings and turn their ideas into something classy.

294 HoosierHoops  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:21:31pm

re: #291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So… I go OT in “MAH BRAIN!” and try to remember who played Patsy Cline in “Coal Miner’s Daughter”. So I go the googlin’ and find out something I just did not know.

Levon Helm played Loretta Lynn’s father in the movie.

I just did not fuckin’ notice that.

Have you seen Country Strong yet?

295 jaunte  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:21:54pm

re: #291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He didre: #291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I didn’t notice that either. He really looked the part.
[Link: gonnaputmeinthemovies.blogspot.com…]

296 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:22:01pm

Wife is bitching at me now. Today was our return trip to the new gym (we’re going MWF) and she is sore all over.

297 b_sharp  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:22:16pm

re: #292 Stanley Sea

Remnants are on the chair.

Too much suction.

298 Stanley Sea  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:23:23pm

re: #297 b_sharp

Too much suction.

Vinyl-like material.

299 b_sharp  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:23:35pm

re: #296 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Wife is bitching at me now. Today was our return trip to the new gym (we’re going MWF) and she is sore all over.

Tell her to enjoy it while she can.

300 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:24:00pm

re: #296 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Massage, would do your future good!

301 b_sharp  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:24:03pm

re: #298 Stanley Sea

Vinyl-like material.

My butt is more leather-like.

302 b_sharp  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:24:29pm

re: #300 Floral Giraffe

Massage, would do your future good!

Erotic massage.

303 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:26:04pm

re: #300 Floral Giraffe

Massage, would do your future good!

I’ve offered. She’s too busy crying about it.

304 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:26:09pm

re: #301 b_sharp


Warm leatherette…
305 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:26:27pm

re: #291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Beverly D’Angelo, BTW.

306 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:27:43pm

re: #303 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Did you just start going to the gymn? Give it a couple of weeks. Once she starts to see results, it’ll still hurt, but she’ll be happy.
At, least, that was my experience.

307 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:28:02pm

re: #302 b_sharp

Erotic massage.

I got a book on that once. It was full of such great massage advice and techniques that even if you weren’t interested in the ‘erotic’ part you could become a snap masseuse in no time. Wish I could remember the title.

308 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:28:40pm

re: #294 HoosierHoops

No. Can’t buy Gwinneth as a country girl.

She was great in “Duets”. But can’t bring myself to watch that one.

309 CuriousLurker  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:28:47pm

A Santorum thread involving vinyl, leather butts, erotic massage, and suction…?

*attempts to slowly ease back out of door without being noticed*

310 b_sharp  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:29:03pm

re: #307 Slumbering Behemoth

I got a book on that once. It was full of such great massage advice and techniques that even if you weren’t interested in the ‘erotic’ part you could become a snap masseuse in no time. Wish I could remember the title.

I have the same book I think. I just need to find it.

311 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:29:32pm

re: #306 Floral Giraffe

Did you just start going to the gymn? Give it a couple of weeks. Once she starts to see results, it’ll still hurt, but she’ll be happy.
At, least, that was my experience.

Hell, before you even begin to see results, you can feel the results. In a positive way, I mean.

312 Stanley Sea  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:30:12pm

re: #306 Floral Giraffe

Did you just start going to the gymn? Give it a couple of weeks. Once she starts to see results, it’ll still hurt, but she’ll be happy.
At, least, that was my experience.

hymn, gymn, close!

313 jaunte  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:30:40pm

re: #309 CuriousLurker

Just keep the lurker force field dialed up to 11 and you should be fine.

314 Stanley Sea  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:30:41pm

re: #309 CuriousLurker

A Santorum thread involving vinyl, leather butts, erotic massage, and suction…?

*attempts to slowly ease back out of door without being noticed*

LOL.

315 CuriousLurker  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:30:47pm

Seriously, you guys are a bunch of degenerates! :-D

316 HoosierHoops  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:30:53pm

re: #308 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No. Can’t buy Gwinneth as a country girl.

She was great in “Duets”. But can’t bring myself to watch that one.

I didn’t think I’d like it..But it was a great movie

317 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:31:05pm

re: #306 Floral Giraffe

Did you just start going to the gymn? Give it a couple of weeks. Once she starts to see results, it’ll still hurt, but she’ll be happy.
At, least, that was my experience.

Started this week. Been trying to explain that the first few weeks are the hardest part until we get used to be, but she’s just focusing on being tired and sore.

318 funky chicken  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:31:15pm

re: #174 talon_262

Unfortunately, I’d have to agree, in regards to some points of national security. In some ways, we have indeed become what we hated, which irks me.

Not at all. What happened at Abu Ghraib was an absolute disgusting shame (you should have heard my husband, who is a military officer…well, maybe not, because his response was kinda profane), but was the result of GW Bush and Rumsfeld’s decision to go into Iraq with poorly trained and properly screened National Guardsmen from backwoods West Virginia … if Bush had actually meant the stuff he said (lots of it true) that the Clinton cuts to the active duty force level were too severe, and that the military needed some repairs/rebuilding….oh well. Instead they sent them to 2 war zones, and … sigh.

But our military guys aren’t fond of the extreme “enhanced interrogation” methods because, as McCain said, the info is of dubious value; also, our guys are out on the front lines, and facing inhuman treatment if caught. There’s lots of examples, but the way the guys (Blackwater or something?) were strung up and burned in Fallujah kinda makes the point—we just don’t think that’s cool.

And I’ve heard exactly ZERO actual active duty military members calling for the release of the pics of deceased OBL, and ZERO of the “Obama’s a wimp, shoulda beheaded him and pissed down his spine” or whatever crapola.

319 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:31:24pm

re: #309 CuriousLurker

A Santorum thread involving vinyl, leather butts, erotic massage, and suction…?

*attempts to slowly ease back out of door without being noticed*

Pulls Curious Lurker to the front of the room.
You clever bastid!

320 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:31:37pm

re: #315 CuriousLurker

Seriously, you guys are a bunch of degenerates! :-D

!sU noiJ

321 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:31:42pm

re: #315 CuriousLurker

Seriously, you guys are a bunch of degenerates! :-D

Isn’t it fun?
*smooch*

322 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:32:09pm

re: #316 HoosierHoops

I didn’t think I’d like it..But it was a great movie

“Pure Country” with estrogen, I’m guessing.

323 b_sharp  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:32:39pm

re: #315 CuriousLurker

Seriously, you guys are a bunch of degenerates! :-D

Thank you.
Finally someone agrees with me.

324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:32:54pm

re: #315 CuriousLurker

Seriously, you guys are a bunch of degenerates! :-D

*curtsies*

325 CuriousLurker  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:33:06pm

re: #321 Floral Giraffe

Isn’t it fun?
*smooch*

Yeah, that’s why I love you guys. *smooch*

326 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:33:16pm

Random music link

327 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:33:49pm

re: #320 Slumbering Behemoth

!sU noiJ


!esaelP

328 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:34:33pm

re: #324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

*curtsies*

EEK, men curtsey?
Well, OK, if you want to!

329 funky chicken  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:35:55pm

re: #275 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Eh, it’s actually easily cured now. Of course one has to have access to basic antibiotics:
[Link: www.state.nj.us…]

330 b_sharp  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:36:31pm

re: #327 reine.de.tout

!esaelP

ʕHuH?

331 funky chicken  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:36:54pm

re: #318 funky chicken

improperly trained, of course

332 CuriousLurker  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:37:08pm

re: #326 Floral Giraffe

Random music link

[Video]

Naugahyde! Image: File:Naugahyde_Advertisement.png

333 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:37:33pm

Odd, if you read the thread backwards, you get overcome with a sudden urge to buy Judas Priest merchandise.

334 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:39:13pm

Here are a couple of photos of the Mississippi River near and around the BR area from today:
Image: River_Road_Nottaway.jpeg
Image: River_at_BR.jpeg

335 CuriousLurker  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:39:15pm

re: #332 CuriousLurker

Naugahyde! Image: File:Naugahyde_Advertisement.png

Damn, didn’t work.

Image: nauga2.jpg

336 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:39:40pm

re: #332 CuriousLurker

LOL!
Nauga Monsters ROCK!

337 HoosierHoops  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:39:49pm

re: #333 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Odd, if you read the thread backwards, you get overcome with a sudden urge to buy Judas Priest merchandise.

I read it backward and kept getting Paul is dead

338 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:39:58pm

re: #330 b_sharp

ʕHuH?

Aw, c’mon! You can do better than that, surely?
!heH

339 CuriousLurker  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:39:59pm

re: #334 reine.de.tout

Here are a couple of photos of the Mississippi River near and around the BR area from today:
Image: River_Road_Nottaway.jpeg
Image: River_at_BR.jpeg

Wow, scary. O_o

340 jaunte  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:40:36pm

re: #330 b_sharp

ʕHuH?


!amanaP :lanac a ,nalp a ,nam A.

341 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:40:46pm

re: #334 reine.de.tout

Prayers for you & your loved ones, that this flood does only repairable damage!

342 funky chicken  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:43:43pm

re: #229 WindUpBird

the point is I think morally they’re equivalent horrors, especially when our government is normalizing it

I know I’m in the minority, our country has a thing for torture, else we wouldn’t be making hit shows with it as a major plot device season after season

Which shows? I watch Law and Order reruns but otherwise stick to Food Network. My husband and I tried to watch a 24 season premiere several years ago, and he even watched the second episode trying to figure out why people liked it. He’s got a stronger work ethic than I. :-) After 2 shows even he gave up.

343 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:43:56pm

re: #341 Floral Giraffe

Prayers for you & your loved ones, that this flood does only repairable damage!

Flo, thanks - we’re fine, really. There are a couple of areas that have been designated as “spillways”, many many years ago, and when the water is going to get high, they open the spillways. One goes into Pontchartrain Lake at New Orleans, and from there into the Gulf - the other is the Morganza Spillway, where there are some farms and small communities, some of which are protected by levees around the towns, but others- not, but the folks who built there knew ahead of time they were building in a designated flood area. It doesn’t make it any easier for them, and I feel badly for them, but it’s not like it was unexpected. Everyone has been evacuated, some people have gone to a small community that was built for Katrina refugees and was now nearly empty as people left there to go back to NOLA. So people are plenty safe.

344 zora  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:44:08pm

hi, lizards. you guys are hilarious.

345 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:45:13pm

re: #344 zora

hi, lizards. you guys are hilarious.

We’re fantastically beautiful, too!
(In case, you hadn’t noticed!)

346 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:45:29pm

re: #337 HoosierHoops

I read it backward and kept getting Paul is dead

How can anyone get anything other than manliness from this?

Image: JUDAS-PRIEST-38826761612.jpeg

347 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:45:34pm

re: #343 reine.de.tout

Good news, always welcome!

348 b_sharp  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:45:35pm

re: #334 reine.de.tout

Here are a couple of photos of the Mississippi River near and around the BR area from today:
Image: River_Road_Nottaway.jpeg
Image: River_at_BR.jpeg

This has been a nasty year.

This is a pic from 1997. This year will be worse.

Two provinces over, 1/3 of a town of 7000, Slave Lake, goes up in flames.

349 sagehen  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:45:43pm

re: #343 reine.de.tout

Flo, thanks - we’re fine, really. There are a couple of areas that have been designated as “spillways”, many many years ago, and when the water is going to get high, they open the spillways. One goes into Pontchartrain Lake at New Orleans, and from there into the Gulf - the other is the Morganza Spillway, where there are some farms and small communities, some of which are protected by levees around the towns, but others- not, but the folks who built there knew ahead of time they were building in a designated flood area. It doesn’t make it any easier for them, and I feel badly for them, but it’s not like it was unexpected. Everyone has been evacuated, some people have gone to a small community that was built for Katrina refugees and was now nearly empty as people left there to go back to NOLA. So people are plenty safe.

Were provisions made ahead of time to send a fleet of moving trucks into the affected areas and help people get their stuff out too?

350 b_sharp  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:46:21pm

re: #338 reine.de.tout

Aw, c’mon! You can do better than that, surely?
!heH

I didn’t know if I was coming or going.

351 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:47:37pm

re: #315 CuriousLurker

Seriously, you guys are a bunch of degenerates! :-D

You just noticed?
GDF, get your alt on & boogie!

352 funky chicken  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:47:42pm

re: #333 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hey, I like them. Of course I was a little … uncomfortable singing along to “Living after Midnight” with my teenagers a while back. Um, not a good message. LOL.

[Link: www.lyricsfreak.com…]

353 b_sharp  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:47:47pm

re: #344 zora

hi, lizards. you guys are hilarious.

Are you making fun of us?

354 Romantic Heretic  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:47:50pm

re: #315 CuriousLurker

Seriously, you guys are a bunch of degenerates! :-D

Why, thank you.

355 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:48:00pm

re: #348 b_sharp

This has been a nasty year.

This is a pic from 1997. This year will be worse.

Two provinces over, 1/3 of a town of 7000, Slave Lake, goes up in flames.

Whoa! That 1997 photo is horrendous!

What’s that about the lake going up in flames?

356 goddamnedfrank  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:48:10pm

re: #301 b_sharp

My butt is more leather-like.

Did you replace that rim tape yet?

/obligatory

357 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:48:19pm

re: #353 b_sharp

Are you making fun of us?

No, your tutu is fabulous, truly!

358 b_sharp  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:48:50pm

re: #345 Floral Giraffe

We’re fantastically beautiful, too!
(In case, you hadn’t noticed!)

Some of us are

359 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:49:17pm

re: #349 sagehen

Were provisions made ahead of time to send a fleet of moving trucks into the affected areas and help people get their stuff out too?

People made their own arrangements and got clear in time.
Some people had time to build 3-foot sandbag levees all around the base of their homes and inside, too, to try to protect their homes. They had every available hand filling sandbags, including prisoners.

360 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:49:51pm

re: #358 b_sharp

Some of us are

Nice, I’m sure.
But I am NOT clicking that linky!

361 CuriousLurker  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:49:52pm

re: #346 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How can anyone get anything other than manliness from this?

Image: JUDAS-PRIEST-38826761612.jpeg

Man, they couldn’t look any more ’80s if they tried.

Time sure takes it’s toll, huh? Talk about retribution!
Image: Judas_Priest_Retribution_2005_Tour.jpg

362 b_sharp  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:52:12pm

re: #356 goddamnedfrank

Did you replace that rim tape yet?

/obligatory

This weekend we’ll be cracking open the sheds and pulling everything out. I’ll replace the tape then, when I replace the tubes and the tires.

363 jaunte  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:52:27pm

This is cool: from a P.Z. Myers tweet:

Camel Thorn Trees in Namib-Naukluft Park

Looks like a flat color screen print.

364 b_sharp  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:52:43pm

re: #357 Floral Giraffe

No, your tutu is fabulous, truly!

Sexy hot, isn’t it?

365 William of Orange  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:53:43pm

I posted this message already in the open thread below but here it is again.

And now the reactions.

Mark Salter, a McCain aide (on facebook):
“For pure, blind stupidity, nobody beats Santorum. In my 20 years working in the Senate, I never met a dumber member, which he reminded me of today,”

Cindy McCain, John’s wife, via twitter:
“Imagine pres candidate Santorum saying my husband doesn’t understand torture,” she tweeted. “Really?!?!”

And now Santorum goes in full Newt Gingrich mode:
“I disagree with Senator McCain’s view that the enhanced interrogation techniques used on a select few high-value terrorist detainees were unsuccessful nor do I believe they amounted to torture,” Santorum said in a statement.

“For anyone to infer my disagreement with Senator McCain’s policy position lessens my respect for his service to our country and all he had to endure is outrageous and unfortunate.”

I guess he thinks Ryan’s plan stinks too…

366 b_sharp  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:54:59pm

re: #355 reine.de.tout

Whoa! That 1997 photo is horrendous!

What’s that about the lake going up in flames?

There is a sizable town named Slave Lake, surrounded by forest that got hit by 100km winds and two forest fires. Thirty percent of the buildings have been touched by fire, hundreds have been burnt to the ground.

367 jaunte  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:55:36pm

re: #365 William of Orange


“For anyone to infer my disagreement with Senator McCain’s policy position lessens my respect for his service to our country and all he had to endure is outrageous and unfortunate.”


He’s not actually saying he has any that can be measured, just that it’s not lessened.

368 b_sharp  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:55:52pm

re: #360 Floral Giraffe

Nice, I’m sure.
But I am NOT clicking that linky!

It’s quite safe.

369 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:55:57pm

re: #363 jaunte

Add a few floating, gibbering dead, and you’ve got a screen shot from a video game.

370 funky chicken  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:57:18pm

re: #361 CuriousLurker

Some of them look better older. Maybe it’s the 80s hair and (shudder) make-up.

371 funky chicken  Wed, May 18, 2011 7:59:35pm
Mark Salter, a McCain aide (on facebook):
“For pure, blind stupidity, nobody beats Santorum. In my 20 years working in the Senate, I never met a dumber member, which he reminded me of today,”

Wow. Ouch. I love it.

372 sagehen  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:00:42pm

I’d almost have a kid just to have someone to read
this bedtime story to.

373 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:01:20pm

re: #369 Slumbering Behemoth

Add a few floating, gibbering dead, and you’ve got a screen shot from a video game.

Like this.

374 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:04:13pm

re: #3 albusteve

in those days, it was utterly terrifying to think you may end up a prisoner of the NVA, those cats did not play nice or by the rules…somehow McCain’s lineage was figured out and they took it to him relentlessly…some say he stood up, others claim he broke…but what is for certain, they beat the guy to within an inch of his life repeatedly and he survived intact, body and mind…to me that’s a hell of a thing and no man has a right to judge…not a big fan of him politically, buck back off on the torture insults…it’s OB

Quite Concur. I first read this story on Fox’s website and even their first draft had the air of “WTF?”. Because this line of Santorum’s was just utterly stupid. This was his “stuck in Iraq”. This should put an end to Santorum’s career, and not a moment too soon.

375 jamesfirecat  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:04:52pm

Wow appealing to the moderate wing of the Republican party… a wing that most likely has been closed for renivation since the death of Nelson Rockefeller.


—— Jon Stewart (On Newt Gingrich’s original thoughts on Paul Ryan’s Budget)

376 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:05:49pm

re: #361 CuriousLurker

Ugly, the best anti-drug.

///

377 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:07:06pm

re: #371 funky chicken

Wow. Ouch. I love it.

Me too. “blind stupidity” just about says it. McCain, of course, did not respond and that’s for the best. With his history, I’m sure Senator McCain’s preferred response to Rick Santorum would be unprintable.

378 b_sharp  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:08:04pm

This used to be a nice neighbourhood. Now it’s a pile of carbon.

379 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:10:35pm

re: #361 CuriousLurker

Man, they couldn’t look any more ’80s if they tried.

Time sure takes it’s toll, huh? Talk about retribution!
Image: Judas_Priest_Retribution_2005_Tour.jpg

KK Downing is still a guitar god, I don’t care how old he is ;-)

380 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:12:52pm

re: #333 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Odd, if you read the thread backwards, you get overcome with a sudden urge to buy Judas Priest merchandise.

381 CuriousLurker  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:15:47pm

re: #376 ProLifeLiberal

Ugly, the best anti-drug.

///

Speaking of drugs and old rockers, you know what amazes me? That Keith Richards is still alive & kicking. it’s hard to believe he once looked like this.

382 Political Atheist  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:16:01pm

Drive by page after a gorgeous sunset lit sky… Just in from minutes ago.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

383 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:20:08pm

re: #381 CuriousLurker

Speaking of drugs and old rockers, you know what amazes me? That Keith Richards is still alive & kicking. it’s hard to believe he once looked like this.

But he can still play the guitar better than anyone else you’d care to name. What a talent!

384 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:21:36pm

re: #381 CuriousLurker

He’s still alive by the power of will alone. Albusteve’s will.

385 freetoken  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:22:17pm

Is anyone else having a tough time getting to Scienceblogs?

When I want to get to PZed’s site:
[Link: scienceblogs.com…]

I get a page that claims to be from the Guardian.

386 b_sharp  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:23:10pm

re: #383 Dark_Falcon

But he can still play the guitar better than anyone else you’d care to name. What a talent!

You sure you want to put that challenge out there?

387 CuriousLurker  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:23:31pm

re: #383 Dark_Falcon

But he can still play the guitar better than anyone else you’d care to name. What a talent!

Indeed. I think I admire is ability to have survived himself more than his guitar playing skills though. ;)

388 BongCrodny  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:23:57pm

You might think a Christian wouldn’t be so enthusiastic about torture, but I guess you’d be wrong.

389 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:24:18pm

re: #385 freetoken

Is anyone else having a tough time getting to Scienceblogs?

When I want to get to PZed’s site:
[Link: scienceblogs.com…]

I get a page that claims to be from the Guardian.

Works fine for me. Redirection virus?

390 dragonfire1981  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:24:57pm

It just occurred to me that the Republicans are, in all likelihood, completely and utterly fucked for 2012 for one simple reason.

The Tea Party vote alone can not get them the Presidency, so in order to get elected, they have no choice but to move more to the center.

Unfortunately in doing so, they then incur the wrath of the Tea Party and lose the far right support.

I’m certain they are going to campaign on an “anybody but Obama” message and the economy, but from where I sit, it’s a lose/lose for the GOP.

And the saddest thing of all? Even the most amateur of political strategists saw this coming MONTHS ago. It’s amazing the GOP kept going and going even knowing full well what the eventual result would be.

391 freetoken  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:24:59pm

re: #389 Slumbering Behemoth

Works fine for me. Redirection virus?

Strange indeed.

I’m wondering if Cox’s name server is messing it up.

392 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:25:00pm

re: #388 BongCrodny

You might think a Christian wouldn’t be so enthusiastic about torture, but I guess you’d be wrong.

Why wouldn’t a Christian be enthusiastic about torture?

393 CuriousLurker  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:26:44pm

Okay, gettin’ late here so I’ve gotta go.

FG, I haven’t forgotten about the Twitter tutorial. It’s about halfway written, but I’ve been too swamped to finish it. Hopefully I’ll be able to get to it this weekend.

*waves bye*

394 efuseakay  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:28:04pm

The Hannity boards are just as bad as Free Repugnant.

“Waterboarding isn’t torture!”

“What does McCain really know about “EIT?”

“McCain is no authority on torture! He’s letting his emotions cloud his judgement!”

“Watarboarding led us to Bin Laden!”

“What was done to him, and what we do to them aren’t nearly the same!”

395 freetoken  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:28:15pm

re: #389 Slumbering Behemoth

Anyway, thanks for the info. I’m trying a Traceroute now and it’s getting hung up in the middle of trace for some reason.

396 b_sharp  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:28:22pm

re: #393 CuriousLurker

Okay, gettin’ late here so I’ve gotta go.

FG, I haven’t forgotten about the Twitter tutorial. It’s about halfway written, but I’ve been too swamped to finish it. Hopefully I’ll be able to get to it this weekend.

*waves bye*

‘Night CL.

397 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:28:39pm

It’s snowing.

398 freetoken  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:29:13pm

re: #388 BongCrodny

You might think a Christian wouldn’t be so enthusiastic about torture, but I guess you’d be wrong.

Torquemada no doubt that he was doing the Lord’s work.

399 goddamnedfrank  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:29:21pm

re: #392 Floral Giraffe

Why wouldn’t a Christian be enthusiastic about torture?

Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
-Matthew 7:12

And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
-Luke 6:31

400 b_sharp  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:29:29pm

re: #395 freetoken

Anyway, thanks for the info. I’m trying a Traceroute now and it’s getting hung up in the middle of trace for some reason.

Bugs.

Big ugly bugs.

401 freetoken  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:29:37pm

re: #398 freetoken

PIMF “thought”

402 jamesfirecat  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:29:50pm

re: #390 dragonfire1981

It just occurred to me that the Republicans are, in all likelihood, completely and utterly fucked for 2012 for one simple reason.

The Tea Party vote alone can not get them the Presidency, so in order to get elected, they have no choice but to move more to the center.

Unfortunately in doing so, they then incur the wrath of the Tea Party and lose the far right support.

I’m certain they are going to campaign on an “anybody but Obama” message and the economy, but from where I sit, it’s a lose/lose for the GOP.

And the saddest thing of all? Even the most amateur of political strategists saw this coming MONTHS ago. It’s amazing the GOP kept going and going even knowing full well what the eventual result would be.

Just “months ago”?

I was calling the vice that the GOP Is currently trapped in before the Midterms, and I’m just a computer programmer still living in my parents house!

403 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:33:29pm

re: #386 b_sharp

You sure you want to put that challenge out there?

Yeah, I’m sure. I’ve got the vids to back me up and I know I have Albusteve’s support.

404 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:33:52pm

re: #395 freetoken

Just a guess on my part. Good luck, and let’s hope it’s just a hiccup somewhere.

405 BongCrodny  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:34:26pm

re: #392 Floral Giraffe

Why wouldn’t a Christian be enthusiastic about torture?


Jesus blessed the poor in spirit; those who mourn; the meek; those who hunger and thirst for righteousness; the merciful; the pure in heart; the peacemakers; those who are persecuted because of righteousness.

Not word one there about blessing the torturers.

406 freetoken  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:34:40pm

re: #404 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, I can’t Ping them either, so there is real disconnect somewhere.

Just can’t get there from here.

407 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:34:45pm

re: #392 Floral Giraffe

Why wouldn’t a Christian be enthusiastic about torture?

Because no one ever expects the Spanish Inquisition!

408 freetoken  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:35:36pm

re: #407 Dark_Falcon

You tempt me to embed Youtube…

409 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:35:38pm

re: #402 jamesfirecat

Just “months ago”?

I was calling the vice that the GOP Is currently trapped in before the Midterms, and I’m just a computer programmer still living in my parents house!

They haven’t stuck you in the basement yet?
/

410 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:36:16pm

re: #383 Dark_Falcon

But he can still play the guitar better than anyone else you’d care to name. What a talent!

Dude, “anyone”? Sure you want to play that card? :D

411 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:36:39pm

re: #406 freetoken

It’s odd that you’d end up at a different site, rather than getting a 404.

412 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:36:49pm

New outrage from Dim Hoft, Shrieking Far Left Hamas Supporters Disrupt TX Christian Service

Another violent leftist assault on Christianity…
The far left strikes again. Hamas supporting members of Todas Somos Palestina disrupted a Christian church service this past weekend. The screaming leftists targeted Pastor John Hagee of Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas after the pastor announced that he would hold a service dedicated to Israel.


On the surface this does indeed look pretty outrageous. It is Dim Jim and John Hagee however so I naturally have some questions.

Why is the only source a heavily edited video posted by the lefties themselves?
Can we be sure this all happened on the same day? At no time do we see more than a couple of protesters in evidence.
The gang that posted the video is apparently pro-Hamas but what about the protesters themselves? Are they really Hamas symps or just free-range moonbats? One of them screamed “Genocide does not honor Israel!.” Why would a Hamasnik care that Israel is not being honored?

Whatever his faults, Hagee is easily the greatest fire and brimstone preacher of the age so he should at least be able to vaporize lefty infidels by screaming JEEESSUSSSS!!! at them a few times.

413 freetoken  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:37:24pm

I succumb…

414 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:38:00pm

re: #412 Shiplord Kirel

LOL!
Dim Jim Strikes Again!
Derp.

415 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:39:04pm

re: #414 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
Dim Jim Strikes Again!
Derp.

Accchhh!

Hagee disrupter video

416 BongCrodny  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:41:01pm

Here’s one of my favorite guitar licks of the past five years or so. It’s only about 35 seconds long and comes 2:15 into the song, and was performed by Mr. B.B. King at the youthful age of 80:

The heads-up on the timing is for those who hate country music. :-)

That pianer fella ain’t too shabby either.

Jerry Lee Lewis/B.B. King - “Before The Night Is Over”

417 freetoken  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:42:04pm

Now it’s habitual…

418 goddamnedfrank  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:42:55pm

re: #399 goddamnedfrank

Then there’s also the whole torturous aspect of the Crucifixion itself.

Then Pilate took Jesus and had him flogged. The soldiers twisted together a crown of thorns and put it on his head. They clothed him in a purple robe and went up to him again and again, saying, “Hail, king of the Jews!” And they slapped him in the face.
-John 19 1-3

and the transitive property of abusive treatment:

And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
-Matthew 25:40

Really, any Christian that supports torture, abuse, or “enhanced interrogation” is a pretty poor example of his or her faith’s teachings.

419 jamesfirecat  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:43:18pm

re: #409 reine.de.tout

They haven’t stuck you in the basement yet?
/

The basement is where all the computers and the tv is, not to mention its cooler (temperature wise) than the stuff on the first floor.

Believe me, the basement of my house is way better than my bedroom.

420 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:44:40pm

re: #412 Shiplord Kirel

New outrage from Dim Hoft, Shrieking Far Left Hamas Supporters Disrupt TX Christian Service


=player_embedded

On the surface this does indeed look pretty outrageous. It is Dim Jim and John Hagee however so I naturally have some questions.

Why is the only source a heavily edited video posted by the lefties themselves?
Can we be sure this all happened on the same day? At no time do we see more than a couple of protesters in evidence.
The gang that posted the video is apparently pro-Hamas but what about the protesters themselves? Are they really Hamas symps or just free-range moonbats? One of them screamed “Genocide does not honor Israel!.” Why would a Hamasnik care that Israel is not being honored?

Whatever his faults, Hagee is easily the greatest fire and brimstone preacher of the age so he should at least be able to vaporize lefty infidels by screaming JEEESSUSSS!!! at them a few times.

Most likely, a mizture of Hamassholes and garden variety moonbats.

Sadly, Killgore’s frogs are too big to catch moonbats. You need some of these guys:

421 jamesfirecat  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:45:18pm

And that set off the true leader of the Republican Party… random angry middle aged white guy….

Stephen Colbert.

422 Lidane  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:46:39pm

Just watched the new South Park. AHAHAHA. Perfect summary of the birthers, teabaggers and angry douchebags we’ve seen lately.

423 b_sharp  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:47:19pm

re: #403 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, I’m sure. I’ve got the vids to back me up and I know I have Albusteve’s support.

Jimi Hendrix
Jimmy Page
Eric Clapton
Frank Zappa
Joe Satriani
EVH
Chet Atkins
George Benson
Al Di Meola
Joe Bonamassa
Carlos Santana
Pat Metheny
* Johnson

How many do you want me to list?

424 BongCrodny  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:48:03pm

I’d re: #421 jamesfirecat

And that set off the true leader of the Republican Party… random angry middle aged white guy…

Stephen Colbert.

I’d vote for Colbert before I’d vote for most of the Republican candidates.

I’d even vote for Colbert’s character before I’d vote for most of the Republican candidates.

425 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:48:06pm
426 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:48:09pm

re: #414 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
Dim Jim Strikes Again!
Derp.

Glenn Beck is on the case. This somewhat more sober account from CBN provides some facts that Dim Jim omitted (as per his longstanding custom).
-Hagee doesn’t appear overly upset about it.
-There were 11 protesters.
-They yelled some slogans and threw propaganda pamphlets before the ushers threw them out.
-Hagee got some applause and a few laughs at their expense.

427 jamesfirecat  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:48:50pm

re: #424 BongCrodny

I’d

I’d vote for Colbert before I’d vote for most of the Republican candidates.

I’d even vote for Colbert’s character before I’d vote for most of the Republican candidates.

Sadly I don’t think he’s going to be run this year… but fingers crossed that Colbert Super PAC is going to get up off the ground.

428 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:51:31pm

re: #426 Shiplord Kirel

Glenn Beck is on the case. This somewhat more sober account from CBN provides some facts that Dim Jim omitted (as per his longstanding custom).
-Hagee doesn’t appear overly upset about it.
-There were 11 protesters.
-They yelled some slogans and threw propaganda pamphlets before the ushers threw them out.
-Hagee got some applause and a few laughs at their expense.

Hagee knew his congregation wasn’t going to side with those loons. So he just stayed calm and played off of them. That’s actually the best way to handle a bothersome wingnut or moonbat.

429 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:53:03pm

re: #412 Shiplord Kirel

Looks as about as impressive as that flaccid Code Pink showing in Congress a while back. And comments disabled for that video? Seems unlikely for someone with the handle “riotsareforlovers”. Who knows?

430 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:53:05pm

re: #97 Walter L. Newton

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Well, thank you, now my blood pressure’s been raised twice.

431 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:55:29pm

re: #430 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, thank you, now my blood pressure’s been raised twice.

Always ready to oblige.

432 b_sharp  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:57:03pm

I’m going to bed.

Goodnight degenerates

433 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:57:51pm

re: #429 Slumbering Behemoth

Looks as about as impressive as that flaccid Code Pink showing in Congress a while back. And comments disabled for that video? Seems unlikely for someone with the handle “riotsareforlovers”. Who knows?

I don’t know if it’s because the rabble is older and harder to rouse or if the audience is jaded, but rabble-rousing just ain’t what it used to be. I was an eyewitness to the Chicago convention riots in 1968 though, so I have pretty high standards inthis regard.

434 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:58:22pm

re: #430 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, thank you, now my blood pressure’s been raised twice.

Even worse, trolls aren’t kosher. Otherwise, you could at least have him for dinner after he gets clubbed.

435 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:59:08pm

re: #182 albusteve

rape is how the world became so multi culti which we all want…yes?

Steve, I love you to death man, but screw you for that on so many levels.

436 Targetpractice  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:59:11pm

re: #434 Dark_Falcon

Even worse, trolls aren’t kosher. Otherwise, you could at least have him for dinner after he gets clubbed.

Not to mention they’re high in trans fats, cholesterol, and bile.

437 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:59:27pm

re: #430 SanFranciscoZionist

There are a few about that keep their true feelings on the matter hidden. I suspect, not from fear of getting banned, but from fear of being mercilessly schooled by Lizards that have a whole host of facts, history and reality on their side.

438 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 18, 2011 8:59:44pm

re: #185 albusteve

re: #184 Floral Giraffe

no, just telling you the way it is…or was…rape, at several times in our illustrious history was a fact of life, via war reparations or lust, and litle was done about it…centuries later we celebrate multi culturalism, and rape was a large part of the result…it’s hystoric dude

Scratching head…this must make sense on some planet.

439 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 9:00:55pm

re: #433 Shiplord Kirel

I don’t know if it’s because the rabble is older and harder to rouse or if the audience is jaded, but rabble-rousing just ain’t what it used to be. I was an eyewitness to the Chicago convention riots in 1968 though, so I have pretty high standards inthis regard.

Holy shit. Much respect. Did you get to see MC5?

440 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 18, 2011 9:01:38pm

re: #436 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Not to mention they’re high in trans fats, cholesterol, and bile.

If you grill them, they don’t pick up any transfats. Some cholesterol its true, but you can get rile of the bile by removing the troll’s stomach and gall bladder before grilling. :D

441 Walter L. Newton  Wed, May 18, 2011 9:03:15pm

It’s still snowing.

442 Targetpractice  Wed, May 18, 2011 9:03:20pm

re: #440 Dark_Falcon

If you grill them, they don’t pick up any transfats. Some cholesterol its true, but you can get rile of the bile by removing the troll’s stomach and gall bladder before grilling. :D

Yeah, but like a puffer fish, you gotta be careful in the preparation. One wrong cut and you’ve ruined the meat entirely.

443 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, May 18, 2011 9:03:43pm

re: #383 Dark_Falcon

But he can still play the guitar better than anyone else you’d care to name. What a talent!

uh what

He’s a good rhythm guitarist but uh

what

444 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 18, 2011 9:03:48pm

re: #437 Slumbering Behemoth

There are a few about that keep their true feelings on the matter hidden. I suspect, not from fear of getting banned, but from fear of being mercilessly schooled by Lizards that have a whole host of facts, history and reality on their side.

Indeed. Israel-haters have rough ride here. That is one thing about LGF that has not changed.

445 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 18, 2011 9:04:28pm

re: #442 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, but like a puffer fish, you gotta be careful in the preparation. One wrong cut and you’ve ruined the meat entirely.

Yeah, but I’m an expert, so its all good.

446 Targetpractice  Wed, May 18, 2011 9:04:28pm

re: #441 Walter L. Newton

It’s still snowing.

So…how ‘bout that global warming?/

447 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 9:06:55pm

re: #444 Dark_Falcon

Indeed. Israel-haters have rough ride here. That is one thing about LGF that has not changed.

They’re not haters. We’re just a bunch of extreme right wingers on an extreme, right wing blog.

9_9

448 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, May 18, 2011 9:12:29pm

re: #439 Slumbering Behemoth

Holy shit. Much respect. Did you get to see MC5?

Unfortunately not. I just watched from my hotel balcony as the cops beat the living shit out of the hippie hordes and anyone else they could catch. I could hear the truncheons on bare flesh from a couple of hundred feet away. I did see what appeared to be two cops fighting briefly before others broke them up. Never did find out what that was about. There was a lot of tear gas around. The slightest whiff of it today will bring back vivid memories. I was 18 and had longish hair so I didn’t dare go out on the street. I figured the cops wouldn’t stop to read my Young Republicans card before they bashed my skull in.

449 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 9:13:19pm

re: #438 SanFranciscoZionist

Scratching head…this must make sense on some planet.

Or, not.
I just let it go!

450 darthstar  Wed, May 18, 2011 9:15:27pm

Made these for dinner tonight…used fresh sage and some thyme instead of parsley…fuckin’ awesome.

Swiss Chard Pancakes

451 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 18, 2011 9:15:59pm

A nice warm bed, is calling me to sleep.
Goodnight all.

452 Targetpractice  Wed, May 18, 2011 9:17:17pm

Well folks, here we are, just a little under two days til doomsday. Wonder if there will be any “End of The World” parties?

453 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 9:17:19pm

re: #451 Floral Giraffe

Kinky, vinyl sheets? Nighty night.

454 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 9:19:02pm

re: #452 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Well folks, here we are, just a little under two days til doomsday. Wonder if there will be any “End of The World” parties?

It falls on a Saturday. Of course there will be plenty of theme parties to that end. I wish I was still in my twenties.

455 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 18, 2011 9:19:07pm

re: #448 Shiplord Kirel

Unfortunately not. I just watched from my hotel balcony as the cops beat the living shit out of the hippie hordes and anyone else they could catch. I could hear the truncheons on bare flesh from a couple of hundred feet away. I did see what appeared to be two cops fighting briefly before others broke them up. Never did find out what that was about. There was a lot of tear gas around. The slightest whiff of it today will bring back vivid memories. I was 18 and had longish hair so I didn’t dare go out on the street. I figured the cops wouldn’t stop to read my Young Republicans card before they bashed my skull in.

My father was a decade older and did go out in the mornings (he worked for Amoco and had to go near Grant Park to reach the Amoco Building (now the Aeon Center). His hostility to those hippies is still palpable today when he talks about it. He was definitely on the side of the police at the time and still is today.

456 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 18, 2011 9:23:26pm

re: #412 Shiplord Kirel


The gang that posted the video is apparently pro-Hamas but what about the protesters themselves? Are they really Hamas symps or just free-range moonbats?.

The line is sometimes very very vague.

457 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, May 18, 2011 9:32:05pm

re: #455 Dark_Falcon

My father was a decade older and did go out in the mornings (he worked for Amoco and had to go near Grant Park to reach the Amoco Building (now the Aeon Center). His hostility to those hippies is still palpable today when he talks about it. He was definitely on the side of the police at the time and still is today.

They really were a pretty nasty lot. The protesters, or a sizable contingent of them, had spent the whole day provoking the cops in every possible way short of gunfire. They urinated and defecated in the streets; threw bottles, rocks, molotov cocktails and the aforementioned feces at the cops, and subjected them to every form of verbal abuse, including many direct challenges to fight. At nightfall, the cops lost their cool and went berserk. I don’t know how many of the hard core protesters were around to reap the whirlwind they had sown. I suspect most of them saw it coming and hightailed it back to the suburbs, leaving the naive and the hangers-on to take the brunt of the police onslaught. It really was like a cavalry charge, too. The cops broke into a dead run and flailed away at anyone they found within range.

458 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 18, 2011 9:35:03pm

re: #457 Shiplord Kirel

They really were a pretty nasty lot. The protesters, or a sizable contingent of them, had spent the whole day provoking the cops in every possible way short of gunfire. They urinated and defecated in the streets; threw bottles, rocks, molotov cocktails and the aforementioned feces at the cops, and subjected them to every form of verbal abuse, including many direct challenges to fight. At nightfall, the cops lost their cool and went berserk. I don’t know how many of the hard core protesters were around to reap the whirlwind they had sown. I suspect most of them saw it coming and hightailed it back to the suburbs, leaving the naive and the hangers-on to take the brunt of the police onslaught. It really was like a cavalry charge, too. The cops broke into a dead run and flailed away at anyone they found within range.

When a man is pushed far enough and finally is given chance to release his anger, he won’t care about the guilt or innocence of the target just that they’re a suitable outlet. That charge must have been epic to see, though.

459 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 18, 2011 9:35:52pm

re: #447 Slumbering Behemoth

They’re not haters. We’re just a bunch of extreme right wingers on an extreme, right wing blog.

9_9

I deal with real extreme right-wingers on Israel. They don’t hang around here. TRUST ME.

460 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 18, 2011 9:40:04pm

re: #459 SanFranciscoZionist

I deal with real extreme right-wingers on Israel. They don’t hang around here. TRUST ME.

A couple of them used to. Operative words being “used to”. I think the last of them went when Ploomi Henimi finally had to be banned for praising Baruch Goldstein. That was a very sad thread, as she just could not come to see the how wrong she was.

461 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 9:41:55pm

re: #459 SanFranciscoZionist

Some folk suffer from such a severe case of RCI that they can’t help but look at a reasonable position and paint it as extreme.

462 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 18, 2011 9:43:24pm

RCI?

463 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 9:44:01pm

re: #462 SanFranciscoZionist

Rectal-Cranial Inversion.

464 Bubblehead II  Wed, May 18, 2011 9:55:22pm

Night Lizards. An interesting day, to say the least (from a spectators point of view) . I wonder what tomorrow will bring?

But I leave with this song to the republican party.

465 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 18, 2011 9:56:43pm

re: #463 Slumbering Behemoth

Rectal-Cranial Inversion.

It’s just a particular line of thought about Israel that makes discussion very difficult—any attempt to provide context or facts is seen as closed-mindedness.

466 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 9:58:11pm

re: #460 Dark_Falcon

I don’t think I would characterize that one as an “extreme right winger” regarding Israel, but more of an extremist in general.

When I think of “extreme right wingers” wrt Israel and the Jewish people, I think of this shit stain.

467 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 9:59:31pm

re: #465 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s just a particular line of thought about Israel that makes discussion very difficult—any attempt to provide context or facts is seen as closed-mindedness.

While ironically being met with copious amounts of same.

468 jaunte  Wed, May 18, 2011 10:01:44pm

Goodnight all. Call your parents tomorrow.

An Hour before Dinner

Whenever we visited John’s parents (and probably when we didn’t) right around an hour before dinner, one of them would ask the other “What would you say to a wee bit of Scotch?” The other would answer, “Hello, wee bit of Scotch.”

This is not the kind of thing you think you’re going to miss when they’re gone. Just something to keep in mind.

[Link: sleepingwithleonardcohen.blogspot.com…]

469 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 18, 2011 10:02:06pm

re: #465 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s just a particular line of thought about Israel that makes discussion very difficult—any attempt to provide context or facts is seen as closed-mindedness.

In the same way as some on the right try to hammer anything liberals say through the “liberal are weak” category, ignoring what those liberals are actually saying, so some on the left are equally determined to hammer anything they hear from the right into the “conservatives are narrow minded and militant” category. It’s born of ideological blindness and an unwillingness to concede anything to the other side.

470 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 18, 2011 10:03:55pm

re: #466 Slumbering Behemoth

I don’t think I would characterize that one as an “extreme right winger” regarding Israel, but more of an extremist in general.

When I think of “extreme right wingers” wrt Israel and the Jewish people, I think of this shit stain.

I don’t think that who SFZ was talking about. But I can’t be sure, so I’m asking SFZ to clarify.

471 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 18, 2011 10:05:22pm

I’m really willing to discuss almost anything about Israel, and I am often very critical of Israel’s specific past and present actions. Even if I understand what created/creates a given situation, I don’t always agree with the approach.

But the idea that somehow you can ignore the whole history of the conflict, and the current players, and just keep wailing about the settlements and a bunch of vague assumptions is annoying. And exhausting.

472 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 18, 2011 10:06:21pm

re: #470 Dark_Falcon

I don’t think that who SFZ was talking about. But I can’t be sure, so I’m asking SFZ to clarify.

I was thinking of extreme PRO-Israel right-wingers, so no, Hitler was not who came to mind. Although many of the anti-Israel types like to gleefully claim that the Nazis were big Zionists.

Not kidding. Grooooaaan.

473 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 18, 2011 10:07:29pm
474 FemNaziBitch  Wed, May 18, 2011 10:12:07pm

Hey all!

OK, Santorum, you are an insensitive idiot!

How is everyone?

475 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 10:14:01pm

re: #471 SanFranciscoZionist

But the idea that somehow you can ignore the whole history of the conflict, and the current players, and just keep wailing about the settlements and a bunch of vague assumptions is annoying. And exhausting.

I think a kind of confirmation bias is at play. They know what they want to believe, and will only allow sources that feed them such info to penetrate their skulls.

476 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 10:15:48pm

re: #474 ggt

Well enough. And yourself?

BTW, I think you’re being far too kind in your assessment of Santorum.

477 FemNaziBitch  Wed, May 18, 2011 10:16:14pm

So, I’ve been on a Rome kick lately. Seems that the land we call Israel was once called Judea. One of the Roman Emperors changed the name to Palestine to marginalize the Jews.

Anyone know if this is true?

478 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 18, 2011 10:16:19pm

re: #473 SanFranciscoZionist

Hey, DSK resigned.

No surprise. He couldn’t function as head of the IMF from a cell, and he’s unlikely to get bail (if he does it’ll be with an ankle-strapped GPS tracker). Strauss-Kahn could no longer do the work, so he quit. His political career is over behind this, and his life may be as well. New york takes rape very seriously and the NYPD is very good at investigating it. If he did rape that woman, he’s going to go to prison for a long time.

479 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 18, 2011 10:16:42pm

re: #477 ggt

So, I’ve been on a Rome kick lately. Seems that the land we call Israel was once called Judea. One of the Roman Emperors changed the name to Palestine to marginalize the Jews.

Anyone know if this is true?

It’s true.

480 FemNaziBitch  Wed, May 18, 2011 10:17:11pm

re: #476 Slumbering Behemoth

Well enough. And yourself?

BTW, I think you’re being far too kind in your assessment of Santorum.

I can’t think of much else to say. I don’t want to spend any more time on him. He is not worth it.

481 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 18, 2011 10:17:17pm

re: #472 SanFranciscoZionist

I was thinking of extreme PRO-Israel right-wingers, so no, Hitler was not who came to mind. Although many of the anti-Israel types like to gleefully claim that the Nazis were big Zionists.

Not kidding. Groooaaan.

Thank you, SFZ.

482 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 18, 2011 10:18:09pm

re: #480 ggt

I can’t think of much else to say. I don’t want to spend any more time on him. He is not worth it.

No he isn’t. McCain’s spokesman refused to even dignify Santorum’s remarks with a response.

483 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 18, 2011 10:18:25pm

re: #477 ggt

Hahaha! Inconvenient Truth.

484 FemNaziBitch  Wed, May 18, 2011 10:18:55pm

re: #482 Dark_Falcon

No he isn’t. McCain’s spokesman refused to even dignify Santorum’s remarks with a response.

Regardless of what one thinks of McCain, such a remark is not only an insult to him, but a slap in the face to all our soldiers and veterans.

485 FemNaziBitch  Wed, May 18, 2011 10:19:02pm

bbiab

486 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 18, 2011 10:23:40pm

re: #484 ggt

Regardless of what one thinks of McCain, such a remark is not only an insult to him, but a slap in the face to all our soldiers and veterans.

True that.


Goodnight, all.

487 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 18, 2011 10:24:05pm

re: #477 ggt

So, I’ve been on a Rome kick lately. Seems that the land we call Israel was once called Judea. One of the Roman Emperors changed the name to Palestine to marginalize the Jews.

Anyone know if this is true?

As far as I know, yes. The southern area was called ‘Yehudah’, the Hebrew for the tribal name “Judah”. The north kingdom was ‘Israel’. The Romans Latinized it to “Judea”, or more exactly, “Iudaea”.

After the Bar Kokhba revolt, Hadrian changed the name of the province to Syria Palaestina, and renamed Jerusalem Aelia Capitolina, both in an attempt to destroy the cultural heritage of the area.

488 FemNaziBitch  Wed, May 18, 2011 10:42:33pm

night all!

489 RIRedinPA  Thu, May 19, 2011 4:22:57am

re: #35 albusteve

Wait, run that by me again? You blame BO’s admin for not killing KSM and when someone points out that he was captured under GWB’s admin you brush it off with a “spare me the GOP had nothing to do with it” comment. He was captured in March, 2003, in a joint operation between ISI and American security forces. GWB had opportunity to kill him on the battlefield, they declined (rightly so) to opt for the intelligence gathering. Then they had him for five years, tortured the shit out of him, gained nothing from that torture and passed him on to the BO admin. All you can get out of him now is vengeance and even that is iffy. The torture sessions (183 at minimum) nullify being able to stuff him threw our legal system, civil or military. He’ll spend a life time locked up as an enemy of the state and a living black stain on our country for how we lowered our values to become just like those we hate. I see a lot that the GOP had to do with it.

490 leftynyc  Thu, May 19, 2011 8:59:41am

re: #19 albusteve

what republicans?…it was one guy who said these things…you are manufacturing scenarios

John Kerry, Max Cleland, General Powel, General Clark. Need I really go on?


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