1 darthstar  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:25:34pm

It was a good apology. Sincere. Showed a bit of class after a classless act. Any bets on whether Ingraham accepts it graciously? Or does she have it in her?

2 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:25:40pm

Ed, you're still a misogynistic putz...

3 darthstar  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:27:12pm

re: #2 talon_262

Ed, you're still a misogynistic putz...


He's just a putz...he let his partisan passion get the better of him and made a very inappropriate comment about Laura Ingraham - who won't win Miss Congeniality in our lifetime but doesn't deserve to be called a slut.

4 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:28:04pm

Imus Apology

5 Targetpractice  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:28:45pm

Best apology I've seen from a media personality in awhile. And he didn't even go for the "I'm sorry that you're offended" bit. Wonder if MSNBC's swift action had anything to do with that?

6 researchok  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:30:10pm

Really stand up.

He did it right.

7 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:30:25pm

Tiger Woods' full apology speech

8 darthstar  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:32:04pm

re: #5 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Best apology I've seen from a media personality in awhile. And he didn't even go for the "I'm sorry that you're offended" bit. Wonder if MSNBC's swift action had anything to do with that?

Sounds like he was more than willing to take a suspension to protect the network. I suppose the conversation went something like this:
"Ed..."
"Kick me off the air for a week, two if you want...without pay."
"...you fucked up."
"I know. Just give me two minutes to apologize at the top of my show."

9 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:32:07pm

I'm Sorry

10 Iwouldprefernotto  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:35:03pm

I thought it was classy. The guy made no excuses. I sight that is rarer than a Republican who accepts global warming.

11 darthstar  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:35:09pm

Now, now...Republicans have been known to apologize emphatically too...we should be fair.

12 Targetpractice  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:35:13pm

re: #8 darthstar

Sounds like he was more than willing to take a suspension to protect the network. I suppose the conversation went something like this:
"Ed..."
"Kick me off the air for a week, two if you want...without pay."
"...you fucked up."
"I know. Just give me two minutes to apologize at the top of my show."

Yeah, it's rather big of him. I still think he's an asshat for his choice of words, but commend him for the apology.

13 What, me worry?  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:35:25pm

Ed has been in the decline, yes? Maybe he did this whole bit for ratings. To be outrageous, get the buzz going around him.

14 Locker  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:35:43pm

I'm not sorry I took the money!
-

15 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:37:09pm
16 SpaceJesus  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:37:52pm

sounds pretty good. i like the part where he fires himself.

17 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:38:51pm

Michael Richards ("Kramer") Apologizes

18 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:42:53pm

Plato - The Apology

19 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:45:43pm

Sorry, you're so sorry.

blame Killgore

20 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:47:38pm

DAMN, that was a real apology imo.

Charles, the tweet function seemed to put in a + in between each word of the tweet.

This was what showed up as my tweet:

Ed+Schultz+Apologizes+to+Laura+Ingraham+[Link: lgf.bz...] Thanks Ed, from the Uterati.

21 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:49:04pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

Imus Apology

[Video]

He was reading off a damn script. Wow, what a mirror apology.

22 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:50:18pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Tiger Woods' full apology speech

[Video]

I am NOT going to re-live that 14 minutes. Apples to oranges too.

23 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:52:21pm

And now, re-live Sister Sarah's blood libel video.

Is this MBF? Fuck who knows. We've just had some really bad examples of owning up to your words/actions.

24 abolitionist  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:52:39pm

That's one stand-up apology.

25 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:54:01pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

[Video]

Oh, the classic comes out;

26 albusteve  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:56:10pm

apology?....he's not an eight year old
no dice
apology unaccepted

27 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:56:29pm

Ni hao, mein scaly drughi!

Ahh, nothing like a little light groveling to brighten up an otherwise dreary day.

28 darthstar  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:57:37pm

re: #26 albusteve

apology?...he's not an eight year old
no dice
apology unaccepted

You're such a slut steve.

29 albusteve  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:57:56pm

we're so sorry Uncle Albert

30 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:58:03pm

I would like to apologize. In advance. I'm sure I will fuck something up at a later date.

31 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:58:10pm

Derp.

32 albusteve  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:58:27pm

re: #28 darthstar

You're such a slut steve.

yeah, and more

33 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:58:35pm

And good evening honcos.

34 darthstar  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:59:11pm

re: #32 albusteve

yeah, and more

But you're our slut...and that's what counts.

35 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:59:21pm

re: #33 Cannadian Club Akbar

How's by you?

Me, I've got black coffee spiked with bourbon to fortify and refresh me through the long night watches

36 albusteve  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:59:46pm

re: #34 darthstar

But you're our slut...and that's what counts.

the Universal neoSlut

37 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, May 25, 2011 7:59:49pm

re: #34 darthstar

But you're our slut...and that's what counts.

And if anyone else calls him a slut we have to defend his honor.

38 wee fury  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:00:23pm

OK.
The apology. It was long, convoluted, and included everyone in the universe.
And, I apologize for my analysis.

39 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:00:28pm

re: #34 darthstar

But you're our slut...and that's what counts.

So, Bitter Half says to me the other day: "I've got it! I know who you remind me of!" (Mind you, we're married 10 years now.)

"Yeah? Who?"

"You're like Dick Nixon, but with less charm, charisma, and good looks."

40 darthstar  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:00:30pm

re: #37 Cannadian Club Akbar

And if anyone else calls him a slut we have to defend his honor.

That's easy...he keeps that buried in a mayonnaise jar in his back yard.

41 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:00:33pm

re: #35 Guanxi88

Nothing since Saturday.:(

42 funky chicken  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:01:01pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Tiger Woods' full apology speech

[Video]

blech. no thanks

43 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:01:03pm

re: #41 Cannadian Club Akbar

Nothing since Saturday.:(

I'll have one in your honor.

44 darthstar  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:01:14pm

re: #39 Guanxi88

Good...you're communicating.

45 What, me worry?  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:01:20pm

re: #28 darthstar

I think that's supposed to be ignorant slut.

(sorry steve, I couldn't help myself)

46 albusteve  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:01:54pm

re: #37 Cannadian Club Akbar

And if anyone else calls him a slut we have to defend his honor.

my downfall has always been trying to defend others...I'm a real sap in that regard and I have the scars to prove it

47 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:02:56pm

re: #39 Guanxi88

So, Bitter Half says to me the other day: "I've got it! I know who you remind me of!" (Mind you, we're married 10 years now.)

"Yeah? Who?"

"You're like Dick Nixon, but with less charm, charisma, and good looks."

Dude, you've been missed. How's the snuff life?

48 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:03:00pm
49 albusteve  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:03:53pm

just because you are overwhelmed, busted and they stick in jail and take your money, does NOT mean you are defeated

50 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:04:09pm

re: #44 darthstar

Good...you're communicating.

On another occasion, she asked me why I always double-checked and gainsaid her opinions and appraisals of people

"Look, you're a nice person and all, but you've got piss-poor judgment. I mean, look at who you decided you wanted to marry. After an error like that, what possible reliance can I place in you?"

51 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:06:06pm

re: #2 talon_262

Ed, you're still a misogynistic putz...

Yep.

52 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:06:12pm

re: #47 Stanley Sea

Dude, you've been missed. How's the snuff life?

It's not too shabby at all. I;ve almost finished a full ounce this year - a new record.

What else? Careers got changed out from under me, oh, and I'm mixed up in some sorta complicated romantic deal with a long, long lost love (twenty years it'll be in September).

53 albusteve  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:08:38pm

who works?
raise your hand

54 kreyagg  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:09:01pm

re: #3 darthstar

It has to be there to slip out. I think the apology is genuine but the dude has work to do still.

55 albusteve  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:09:35pm

some optimism
Here Comes The Sun

56 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:10:26pm

Best meaningless apology ever


Sorry, Dave
57 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:10:33pm
58 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:10:55pm

re: #52 Guanxi88

Stanley, as a member, a brother in good standing, in that brotherhood of the neurodiverse, I think you'd get a kick out of this birthday card I sent out today:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

59 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:11:22pm

re: #50 Guanxi88

On another occasion, she asked me why I always double-checked and gainsaid her opinions and appraisals of people

"Look, you're a nice person and all, but you've got piss-poor judgment. I mean, look at who you decided you wanted to marry. After an error like that, what possible reliance can I place in you?"

Reminds me of what Flounder was told after his brother's car was trashed on the road trip in Animal House:

Otter: Flounder, you can't spend your whole life worrying about your mistakes! You fucked up... you trusted us! Hey, make the best of it! Maybe we can help.

60 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:12:20pm

re: #55 albusteve

There's a little black spot on the sun today

61 albusteve  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:12:50pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

Best meaningless apology ever

[Video]
Sorry, Dave

it's a technicality,
like making change

62 albusteve  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:13:34pm

re: #60 Guanxi88

[Video]There's a little black spot on the sun today

heh, I'd guessed it
great stuff, thanks even so

63 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:13:35pm

re: #52 Guanxi88

It's not too shabby at all. I;ve almost finished a full ounce this year - a new record.

What else? Careers got changed out from under me, oh, and I'm mixed up in some sorta complicated romantic deal with a long, long lost love (twenty years it'll be in September).

Troubles! But (don't ask me, dangerous) go with your heart and throw in a bit of common sense.

64 What, me worry?  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:14:37pm

re: #57 Cannadian Club Akbar

When is a slut not a slut? When she is a streetcar named desire.

Good article. I like her comparison to the N word.

65 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:15:23pm

re: #63 Stanley Sea

Eh, I think I'm just gonna maintain status quo; wife and I don't like each other, the old love - well, I think her husband might object, truth be told. Nothing to do about it, though.

66 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:15:48pm

I can see her lying fast in her faded dream,
She's a hard lovin' woman, got me feeling mean.

67 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:17:47pm

re: #66 Cannadian Club Akbar

I can see her lying fast in her faded dream,
She's a hard lovin' woman, got me feeling mean.

[Video]

man, ain't that the truth, though?

(Wife went out all night Friday, and is now on a two-day road trip, with some friend or other - "Oh, I don't think you know her." yeah, I don't like her, but I HATE the thought of financing her affairs.)

68 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:19:45pm

re: #53 albusteve

who works?
raise your hand

I would, but my shoulder is locked up. But I consider that more of a glitch in my system then me not actually working.

69 austin_blue  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:19:53pm

re: #60 Guanxi88

[Video]There's a little black spot on the sun today

Thirteen ways...

70 albusteve  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:20:32pm

maybe the best song Police recorded, the outro thing is really cool
Every Breath You Take

71 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:20:59pm

re: #65 Guanxi88

Eh, I think I'm just gonna maintain status quo; wife and I don't like each other, the old love - well, I think her husband might object, truth be told. Nothing to do about it, though.

Hang in. Oh to tell my story. I am so contemplating a blog. My experiences in the past 9 months are epic. Impossible to share here but trust that you are not an exception.

72 darthstar  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:21:05pm

Here's a little gloom, despair and agony...to lift your spirits.

73 albusteve  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:22:23pm

re: #68 Slumbering Behemoth

I would, but my shoulder is locked up. But I consider that more of a glitch in my system then me not actually working.

I have a debilitating hangnail

74 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:23:10pm

re: #70 albusteve

maybe the best song Police recorded, the outro thing is really cool
Every Breath You Take

[Video]

Love it.

75 Kragar  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:24:08pm

re: #70 albusteve

maybe the best song Police recorded, the outro thing is really cool
Every Breath You Take

[Video]

Always been partial to this one

76 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:24:59pm

Canadian Club ad. Might have to switch avatars.
Image: canadianclub-yourdadwasntmomsfirst.jpg

77 austin_blue  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:25:15pm

re: #69 austin_blue

Thirteen ways...

[Video]

Thirteen ways, Movements 10 and 11:

78 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:25:24pm

Great apology! Accepted responsibility, and just simply apologized, with no ifs, ands or buts about it. Impressive.

79 albusteve  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:25:33pm

I blew my Police post above...got my songs crossed up
Every Little Thing She Does Is magic
a Chicago style shuffle down the end....tres kewl

80 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:27:26pm

On the invasive, mandatory sonogram thread, I think this comment wins it.

81 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:27:33pm

On Any Other Day

82 jamesfirecat  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:28:31pm

re: #80 Slumbering Behemoth

On the invasive, mandatory sonogram thread, I think this comment wins it.

"Which invasive mandatory sonogram thread?" I say without looking at the link. We had like three of them today after all...

83 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:28:39pm

re: #75 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Always been partial to this one

[Video]

Police night. I am happy.

84 albusteve  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:28:52pm

I think the Police made some money

85 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:29:11pm

re: #83 Stanley Sea

Police night. I am happy.

Well, knock it off already! You're mellowing my harsh.

86 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:29:14pm

Alrighty. I'm out. Kinda got woken up at the end of the hockey game. See ya'll at breakfast.

87 austin_blue  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:29:27pm

re: #78 reine.de.tout

Great apology! Accepted responsibility, and just simply apologized, with no ifs, ands or buts about it. Impressive.

Too late. He opened his cake hole and screwed the pooch. Too bad for him. Must be hell. Jobs are hard to find right now.

88 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:29:38pm

re: #75 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Always been partial to this one

[Video]

Actually a good video too!

89 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:30:41pm

re: #79 albusteve

I blew my Police post above...got my songs crossed up
Every Little Thing She Does Is magic
a Chicago style shuffle down the end...tres kewl

[Video]

Oh Andy. Damn it!

90 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:30:44pm

re: #79 albusteve

I'm more of a Canary in a Coalmine kinda guy.

91 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:31:50pm

Come Again


"come" had the same connotation in the 15th century as it does today
/Namaste, y'all
92 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:31:52pm

re: #82 jamesfirecat

"Which invasive mandatory sonogram thread?" I say without looking at the link. We had like three of them today after all...

JUST GO UPDING IT!!!
:)

93 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:32:03pm

re: #82 jamesfirecat

"Which invasive mandatory sonogram thread?" I say without looking at the link. We had like three of them today after all...

read the link. upding till you can't stop.

94 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:33:11pm

Well, I've got maccoboy in both nostrils, bourbon and coffee in my gut, and 'baccy in my pipe.

Time for a smoke-break. Keep CCA away from my booze, and Stanley away from my women, would ya?

95 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:33:22pm

re: #87 austin_blue

Too late. He opened his cake hole and screwed the pooch. Too bad for him. Must be hell. Jobs are hard to find right now.

Oh, he'll be back.
I know I have on occasion said things I regretted saying. Sometimes stuff just pops into your head (well, mine anyhow) and gets said out loud before you know it. It just happens. And it's damned hard to own up to it, I know from having had to own up to a few things a few times, and it was hard enough in private, MUCH LESS on national TV.

96 albusteve  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:33:30pm

they sort of rewrote the books for the power trio...a really different sound, and the money rained down on those guys

97 Kragar  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:33:49pm

Does Everyone Stare

98 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:34:32pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

In regards to the the death references; La petite mort

99 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:35:45pm

re: #96 albusteve

They were in the right place, at the right time, with just the right sound. I was rather young when they were in their heyday, so I didn't like 'em then.

I grew to appreciate their stuff later, though, as my musical tastes expanded.

100 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:36:31pm

OK, my contribution. Favorite.

Jaurais toujours faim de toi. Hungry for you.

101 Kragar  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:37:20pm

Bring On The Night

102 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:40:14pm

Sting made the cash but Stewart Copeland was the real talent of the operation,

103 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:40:29pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

In regards to the the death references; La petite mort

As the Comte de St Germain once said, upon seeing particularly well-endowed young lady wearing a crucifix: "Oh, to die upon such a Calvary!"

104 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:41:10pm

re: #103 Guanxi88

lol

105 albusteve  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:42:54pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

Sting made the cash but Stewart Copeland was the real talent of the operation,

maybe...his story is almost unbelievable

106 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:43:07pm

re: #104 Killgore Trout

lol

We have missed Guanxi88

107 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:45:10pm

Ute Lemper, singing La Vie en Rose. (I dated a young lady - hell, I even proposed to her - who was a dead ringer for her, or at least her kid sister).

108 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:46:23pm

re: #26 albusteve

apology?...he's not an eight year old
no dice
apology unaccepted

Laura? Is that you?

109 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:47:15pm

re: #107 Guanxi88

She looks a lot like my nana, when my nana was young.

110 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:47:48pm

re: #53 albusteve

who works?
raise your hand

Me? I've got a gig lined up in a couple of weeks, does that count?

111 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:48:24pm

re: #109 Slumbering Behemoth

She looks a lot like my nana, when my nana was young.

I remember hawking my camera, my computer, and emptying my bank account to buy a ticket to see her perform (Ute Lemper, that is, not your Nana). Worth every penny.

112 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:51:57pm

re: #111 Guanxi88

Ute Lemper, that is, not your Nana

Ouch. You play dirty.

113 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:52:31pm

Nite all.

Await the next outragous outrage tomorrow!

114 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:53:58pm

re: #53 albusteve

who works?
raise your hand

re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist

Me? I've got a gig lined up in a couple of weeks, does that count?

That's what he meant? I thought he was trying to find out which one(s) of us weren't broken.

115 RadicalModerate  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:55:10pm

Dallas Mavs are in the NBA finals - Dirk went into beast mode again in the 4th quarter, and overcame a 8-point deficit to win 100-96.

116 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:56:13pm

Okay, Lili Marleen story time.

I had a long-term, albeit unrequited, love interest in a young lady. We were friendly enough - sometimes more than friendly, but nothing overtly romantic, mind you.

Anyway, she's visiting with me and my apartment mate (also a woman) one evening. because the weather was bad, we all decided to just stay in and drink and talk and listen to music.

The lady said she'd love something unusual, but none of my stuff, since she knew my tastes ran to the classical and opera. My apartment mate said "Oh no, he listens to other stuff, he's just kinda embarrassed by it."

She went to my music cabinet and came back with the Dietrich recording on Lili Marleen. "He seems to play this one all the time." They played it, and the first song on the disk is Lili Marleen.

"He really seems to like this one." Anyway, they play Lili Marleen a few more times (the lady did not understand german, so she sat and read the liner notes) and she (the lady) said she had no idea I was such a sentimentalist.

Anyway, evening over, I rode with her in the cab to take her back to her apartment. I always did this, because I loved sitting with her. As we're riding along, she starts to hum Lili Marleen.

A beautiful memory.

117 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:58:10pm

re: #114 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist

That's what he meant? I thought he was trying to find out which one(s) of us weren't broken.

Maybe that too. Who knows.

I work pretty well, although occasionally the lower back is hinkty.

118 austin_blue  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:59:31pm

re: #115 RadicalModerate

Dallas Mavs are in the NBA finals - Dirk went into beast mode again in the 4th quarter, and overcame a 8-point deficit to win 100-96.

Mark Cuban is an unhappy boy. He gets to lose to Miami. Again. (See 2006)

119 Digital Display  Wed, May 25, 2011 8:59:32pm

Hi Lizards! Just got back from the Moose Lodge watching Dallas beat OKC to go to the Finals..
Most guys there blamed the refs for the game...I had to school them..
I think they hate me now..But the best team won...The thunder has big upside

120 austin_blue  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:00:37pm

re: #119 HoosierHoops

Hi Lizards! Just got back from the Moose Lodge watching Dallas beat OKC to go to the Finals..
Most guys there blamed the refs for the game...I had to school them..
I think they hate me now..But the best team won...The thunder has big upside

I think next year they will be primed. But Miami is a monster.

121 Daniel Ballard  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:01:24pm

Music Break?
Dire Straits Live Sultans Of Swing

122 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:02:30pm

OK, as I've told you all, the school I am currently attending (as opposed to teaching at) accepted me in mid-December. As y'all may note, it is now late May. My financial aid still hasn't been processed.

I have been forgiven one class fee because they simply couldn't get their act together to do the financial aid. Now, all the paperwork has finally been requested, and turned in. I sent in the last documents (the second set of tax returns because they accidentally asked me for this years instead of last years...) on the 15th.

On the 18th I was told they had arrived, and the packet sent to the NY office. That was a week ago today.

How long should I wait, do you think, before pestering again? They want me to sign up for summer classes, and I am reluctant to do so without some indication that I am actually going to GET the financial aid.

Thoughts?

123 reine.de.tout  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:04:39pm

re: #122 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, as I've told you all, the school I am currently attending (as opposed to teaching at) accepted me in mid-December. As y'all may note, it is now late May. My financial aid still hasn't been processed.

I have been forgiven one class fee because they simply couldn't get their act together to do the financial aid. Now, all the paperwork has finally been requested, and turned in. I sent in the last documents (the second set of tax returns because they accidentally asked me for this years instead of last years...) on the 15th.

On the 18th I was told they had arrived, and the packet sent to the NY office. That was a week ago today.

How long should I wait, do you think, before pestering again? They want me to sign up for summer classes, and I am reluctant to do so without some indication that I am actually going to GET the financial aid.

Thoughts?

Go ahead and pester. You probably aren't the only one, and I don't think anybody is noticing it's you and keeping some sort of count. Just make the call.

124 Lidane  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:07:36pm

Ed's still a douche, but at least he gave a real apology.

125 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:07:46pm

re: #122 SanFranciscoZionist

On the summer classes, how long is the summer semester (or quarter or whatever), and how tough are the classes.

126 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:08:13pm

If these people were truly sorry, they would never do the things they do in the first place.

127 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:09:33pm

re: #122 SanFranciscoZionist

Generally, CPS (Central Processing System) time is about 48 hours from data entry by the fin aid office. They asked for your tax returns, which means they're performing institutional verification, a process which usually takes only a few days, at most, unless they're back-logged or short-staffed.

Once the data are entered in the CPS, the ED (department of ed) system crunches it for about 48 hours or so; assuming no errors in entry, a new SAR (Student Aid Report) is kicked back out, and they package the aid off that. Your best bet to find out what's going on is to log in to the FAFSA.ed.gov site and see what is the last transaction date on your SAR. When you see a recent one, you can usually expect aid delilvery in about a week afterward.

(And you'll never guess, not in a million years, what I used to do for a living.)

128 austin_blue  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:12:09pm

re: #121 Rightwingconspirator

Music Break?
Dire Straits Live Sultans Of Swing

[Video]

Ah, for the youngsters on the board, here is the theme song for a brilliant movie from the 80's, Local Hero. Knopfler did the soundtrack and it is killer bee:

Live version.

129 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:12:15pm

re: #126 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Nah, we all fuck up from time to time. It's the "I'm sorry, but.." assholes I can't stand. And the brush off maneuver "I'm sorry you feel that way" is equally grating.

130 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:12:32pm

re: #127 Guanxi88

Oh, and if you're looking to use student loans, go ahead and complete the online MPN's and such like at the studentloans.gov site, assuming you haven't done so already. Print out a copy of the MPN and fax or scan and email it to the fin aid office - some of them don't yet have the ability to pull in MPN's to their administrative data systems.

131 austin_blue  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:15:24pm

re: #123 reine.de.tout

Go ahead and pester. You probably aren't the only one, and I don't think anybody is noticing it's you and keeping some sort of count. Just make the call.

I agree with The Queen. Squeaky wheels &c. Hammer them. It's *money* and the aggressive get first shot.

132 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:20:30pm

re: #125 Slumbering Behemoth

On the summer classes, how long is the summer semester (or quarter or whatever), and how tough are the classes.

The program runs year-round in eight-week blocks. I've taken two classes. One was fluff with a fifteen-page research paper at the end, and the other was pretty challenging.

133 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:21:36pm

re: #130 Guanxi88

Oh, and if you're looking to use student loans, go ahead and complete the online MPN's and such like at the studentloans.gov site, assuming you haven't done so already. Print out a copy of the MPN and fax or scan and email it to the fin aid office - some of them don't yet have the ability to pull in MPN's to their administrative data systems.

Thanks for all the info...this is a start-up program, and these folks are a litttttle slooowww.

134 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:22:41pm

re: #133 SanFranciscoZionist

Thanks for all the info...this is a start-up program, and these folks are a litttle slooowww.

Yeah, I was a one-man-band for a school for about 8 years. Ya gotta keep hammering them, because it's probably only one or two people doing all the work, and they can - and will - forget.

135 RadicalModerate  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:23:31pm

We have a new contestant in the "biggest Republican douchebag" congressman - Patrick McHenry (R- NC) pulled a switcheroo on scheduling of a hearing before the House Oversight Subcommittee on TARP, Financial Services and Bailouts of Public and Private Programs. When Elizabeth Warren, President Obama's special advisor to lead the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau complained about the scheduling change -which caused several people who were supposed to give testimony to miss the hearing, instead of apologizing about the mixup, McHenry called her a liar.

Meet Patrick McHenry, the rudest, most shameless College Republican in Congress

Video of the exchange is here:

By the way, McHenry is a veteran of the Abramoff scandal, and was one of convicted criminal Tom DeLay's compatriots who attempted to exempt himself from ethics rules.

136 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:23:50pm

re: #134 Guanxi88

Yeah, I was a one-man-band for a school for about 8 years. Ya gotta keep hammering them, because it's probably only one or two people doing all the work, and they can - and will - forget.

Last time I was in grad school I was at the University of San Francisco. Jesuits never forget anything. I got spoiled.

137 austin_blue  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:24:22pm

SWMBO is asking for my presence in our boudoir. Night all. Sweet scaly dreams!

138 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:25:16pm

re: #136 SanFranciscoZionist

Man, if you need surgery, you see our tribe; and if you need something taught, you see a Jesuit.

139 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:28:52pm

re: #138 Guanxi88

Man, if you need surgery, you see our tribe; and if you need something taught, you see a Jesuit.

They had a priest, when I was there, who was recruiting for a program in educational technology.

I did not want to do the education technology program, but I enrolled for it twice before coming to my senses. The guy was GOOD. It made you understand how they got converts in Tokugawa Japan. He'd start his spiel, and my mind would melt. It would reconstitute later, and I would pull the app again, but DANG it.

This makes me sound somewhat feebleminded, I realize. You had to be there.

140 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:30:23pm

re: #137 austin_blue

SWMBO is asking for my presence in our boudoir. Night all. Sweet scaly dreams!

I don't know what a SWMBO is, but I get the feeling you should be wearing protective pads. Maybe double up on the shin guards.

141 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:31:55pm

re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist

No, there's no shame in being persuaded by a jesuit. Hell, that's what they do - they are masters of dialectic. Ever watch one of them lecturing and look at his hands? (It's a quirk of my condition - I notice hand gestures, which I've never mastered. You;ve seen Lynch's Dune? remember Pieter the weird Mentat for the Harkonnens - I sorta gesture like him, out of synch with what I'm saying, and often unrelated)

Well, they study the arts of gesture as a means of persuasion - you can see them all using the same gestures, even, as they argue, gestures that you don't see used by others.

142 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:33:33pm

re: #141 Guanxi88

I'm part Italian. My hands speak independently of my mouth.

143 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:39:00pm

re: #142 Slumbering Behemoth

Precisely to avoid the whole Pieter DeVries effect, I generally tend, when speaking to a group, to speak with my hands clasped behind my back. If it's a one-on-one thing, I try to keep a coffee mug or something in one hand, and the other hand flat on the table.

Otherwise, it just looks weird.

144 Not Approved By The MPAA  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:39:15pm

re: #128 austin_blue

Kudos to you and RWC for the fantastic music break(s). Let me throw one in myself. A truly classic piece, this time with THE hierarchy of British guitar players. I swear -- toss a grenade onstage and you'd wipe out the penultimate of the second British invasion...!

Enjoy!
--LWC

145 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:41:56pm

re: #143 Guanxi88

Take a look at these hands,
Take a look at these hands.
The hand speaks,
The hand of a government man.

146 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:42:33pm

re: #12 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, it's rather big of him. I still think he's an asshat for his choice of words, but commend him for the apology.

Agreed. I'm glad he apologized promptly, but that doesn't put things right, at least not right away. What he said was ugly and offensive and it won't be forgotten any time soon.

147 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:46:25pm

re: #143 Guanxi88

It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of coffee bean this cup acquires fluid, the hands acquire cup, the body acquires the ability to not look like a dork in public. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.

148 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:47:39pm

re: #147 Slumbering Behemoth

Ha! there must be a million variations on Mentat DeVries' mantra.
But that was the Talking Heads there, Born Under Punches.

149 Targetpractice  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:51:11pm

This is bad. With Netflix on my iPad, I've been watching the same movie over and over again. And I still haven't gotten sick of it.

150 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:55:32pm

So, the Bitter Half is, as she told me, out of town with a female friend I've never met and won't be back for a few days now; it sounds a bit suspect, but I'll just leave it alone.

I sent off a birthday card to my old love (had to send it to her office so her husband doesn't find it), and am waiting for her daily email to me.

She said to me "It's been a decade or more since I've seen anything in your script. Write me something by your hand."

Well, hallmark doesn't make cards for people in our situation, so I bought a blank notecard and wrote, in part, the following:

"If there be such a thing as Destiny - a thing of which no one can be sure; if our lives are in some way - unknown and unknowable to us - guided by the will and wisdom of the One Who Spoke - a thing of which no one can be unsure; if, in short, there be an order and purpose and meaning to the events of this, our transient existence, then I do not doubt that you are part of this structure of Being, that you are proof and sign and instrument of that Providence."
****
"No mere happenstance of calendar and clock - merely factual data, devoid of meaning, and therefore of truth - can account for, can explain, why I have never drawn breath in a world that did not include you."

There are times when I wonder what life would be like if I had married a woman I loved.

151 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:56:02pm

re: #149 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Put the pr0n down, and drink some fluids.

152 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:56:28pm

re: #151 Slumbering Behemoth

Put the pr0n down, and drink some fluids.

But wash your damned hands first!

153 Targetpractice  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:57:10pm

re: #151 Slumbering Behemoth

Put the pr0n down, and drink some fluids.

...Netflix has pr0n? And I'm just learning this now?!

154 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:58:28pm

re: #149 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

This is bad. With Netflix on my iPad, I've been watching the same movie over and over again. And I still haven't gotten sick of it.

Which movie? Ludwig Whipped My Ass (And It's Still Sore.) Oh wait, that's the movie featuring trolls posting hateful things about the people who are posting on this thread.

Sorry, TP. But what those choads were saying about Ludwig and Obdi demanded a sharp reply.

155 Targetpractice  Wed, May 25, 2011 9:59:26pm

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

Which movie? Ludwig Whipped My Ass (And It's Still Sore.) Oh wait, that's the movie featuring trolls posting hateful things about the people who are posting on this thread.

Sorry, TP. But what those choads were saying about Ludwig and Obdi demanded a sharp reply.

MST3K: The Movie. Still as funny now as it was the first time I saw it...well, funnier, because now I actually understand most of the jokes.

156 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 10:00:09pm

re: #155 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Sounds like Assisted Living Dracula. It's kinda slow at first, but once you get into it.....

157 Targetpractice  Wed, May 25, 2011 10:00:59pm

re: #156 Guanxi88

Sounds like Assisted Living Dracula. It's kinda slow at first, but once you get into it...

Okay, enough Aqua Teen for you.

158 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 25, 2011 10:01:10pm

re: #155 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

MST3K: The Movie. Still as funny now as it was the first time I saw it...well, funnier, because now I actually understand most of the jokes.

Cool. Glad you're enjoying it.

159 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 10:01:56pm

re: #157 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Okay, enough Aqua Teen for you.

Never enough!

It's Boost! Mobile. We're making and receiving cellular phone calls.

160 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 10:02:43pm

re: #150 Guanxi88

I think you're playing with fire, but what do I know. Things may work out for you. I'd just hate to see this end real badly.

161 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 25, 2011 10:03:47pm

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. I'm glad he apologized promptly, but that doesn't put things right, at least not right away. What he said was ugly and offensive and it won't be forgotten any time soon.

True, but he didn't dig himself in any deeper by not apologizing, or doing the 'if you were offended by what I said' routine. He followed the first rule of holes. By scuzzball pundit standards, that's pretty good.

162 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 10:04:11pm

re: #160 Slumbering Behemoth

Eh, everything ends, mostly badly. Besides, I think she and I both understand it'll have to be status quo or nothing; too many obstacles. We're in different states, and I've made the decision never to see her or meet with her unless and until we are both single again.

163 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 25, 2011 10:04:45pm

re: #150 Guanxi88

No offense, Guanxi88, but I don't see this ending well. As SB said, you're playing with fire, and the odds say you'll get burned.

164 Winny Spencer  Wed, May 25, 2011 10:05:11pm

As sincere an apology as this one is always enough for me.

Good for Ed.

165 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 25, 2011 10:06:05pm

re: #161 SanFranciscoZionist

True, but he didn't dig himself in any deeper by not apologizing, or doing the 'if you were offended by what I said' routine. He followed the first rule of holes. By scuzzball pundit standards, that's pretty good.

I agree, entirely. What Schultz said stops the Asshole Meter. It doesn't reverse it, but it does halt it and he can reverse it in time.

166 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 10:06:27pm

re: #161 SanFranciscoZionist

It wasn't bad. I still think he's a dick. But at least he doesn't have a years long, documented track record of saying shitty things and latter blowing it off with "Don't be such a PC wuss, it was satire". At least as far as I know, anyway. I don't follow the dude.

167 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 10:08:24pm

re: #163 Dark_Falcon

We all get burnt.

Burnt Norton, anyone?

What might have been is an abstraction.....

168 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 25, 2011 10:10:06pm

re: #167 Guanxi88

We all get burnt.

Burnt Norton, anyone?

[Video]What might have been is an abstraction...

OK, just make sure it isn't your Norton that gets burnt. I just updated mine.

//

169 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 10:11:18pm

re: #162 Guanxi88

I don't exactly approve, but my approval means jack shit. You're grown, and you don't require it.

Just be careful, dude. People can react emotionally and irrationally. I doubt you want to carry the tale of a murder/suicide on your back for the rest of your days.

170 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 10:12:06pm

Oh, Lord! The bourbon is beating the coffee, and I'm getting maudlin.

The houses are all gone under the sea.
The dancers are all gone under the hill.

171 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, May 25, 2011 10:19:39pm

re: #166 Slumbering Behemoth

It wasn't bad. I still think he's a dick. But at least he doesn't have a years long, documented track record of saying shitty things and latter blowing it off with "Don't be such a PC wuss, it was satire". At least as far as I know, anyway. I don't follow the dude.

My entire knowledge of Ed Schultz is that he periodically says something terrible which is then reported to me later by people seeking to defend Rush Limbaugh.

This has not let me to a good opinion of the man.

172 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 10:30:29pm

There, I've recovered my sangfroid. all it took was chain-pinching some maccoboy, a pipe full of Irish Twist, and two cups of cold black coffee.

173 darthstar  Wed, May 25, 2011 10:34:23pm

Giants get four runs in the bottom of the ninth...we go to extra innings.

174 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 10:35:31pm

re: #171 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not big on calling women sluts just because you disagree with them or their point of view. So yeah, I have a low opinion of the guy now.

I'm also not a fan of "slut shaming". I think it sucks, and that it's the last resort of men with small minds, small dicks, and women who are bitter and jealous.

On that note, for the second time today, I link thusly:

NO SHAME!

Go getchya some!

175 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 10:36:39pm

re: #172 Guanxi88

Now, back to the bourbon. Roller-coaster that shit, man!!!

/more bad advice from The Behemoth

176 darthstar  Wed, May 25, 2011 10:39:12pm

We had seven tornados today in northern California...tiny little fuckers - not like the midwest gets - but it's rare to get one tornado here, let alone seven of the goddamn things.

177 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 10:40:51pm

re: #175 Slumbering Behemoth

Now, back to the bourbon. Roller-coaster that shit, man!!!

/more bad advice from The Behemoth

That's just what I'm doing, sir!

Aristotle, in his Poetics (can you see why some people, especially the intellectual types, just can't get enough of me when I'm drunk?) argues that the purpose of tragedy is to arouse and then discharge the feelings of pity and terror. A sort of mental hygiene, necessary to the health of the kaloskagathos, and therefore to the well-being of the city.

Me? I use booze, coffee, and poetry to achieve much the same effect.

178 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 10:42:02pm

re: #176 darthstar

We had seven tornados today in northern California...tiny little fuckers - not like the midwest gets - but it's rare to get one tornado here, let alone seven of the goddamn things.

What kind of ghey thing did you guys do this time?
/

179 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 10:45:05pm

re: #177 Guanxi88

For me, it's booze, cigarettes, coffee, and video games.

I used to have worse stuff in the rotation, but thankfully I have left those things behind.

180 darthstar  Wed, May 25, 2011 10:45:50pm

re: #178 Slumbering Behemoth

What kind of ghey thing did you guys do this time?
/

Argyle socks, I'm guessing.

181 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 10:46:22pm

re: #179 Slumbering Behemoth

Gotta have the nicotine in there. I sniff the snuff and smoke my pipe when I need a good solid jolt (and nothing hits harder than Irish Twist tobacco, by the way. Never smoke it on an empty stomach, or you'll be sick as a dog.)

182 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 10:50:14pm

Back in my university days, one of my roommates did a multi-media/spoken word thing based on my drunken rants, recorded over the course of many, many months. I saw the thing when it was done - very slick, very professional - and was shocked by what was on the screen.

Is that really how I am when I'm drunk?
Yep.
Damn! I'm kinda cool when I'm loaded.
No, you're kinda dark, and people like that.
Oh.

183 darthstar  Wed, May 25, 2011 10:50:18pm

re: #181 Guanxi88

Gotta have the nicotine in there. I sniff the snuff and smoke my pipe when I need a good solid jolt (and nothing hits harder than Irish Twist tobacco, by the way. Never smoke it on an empty stomach, or you'll be sick as a dog.)

I quit chewing tobacco (hopefully for the last time) two weeks before our last software release...tough time to kick the habit. I still miss it (been a little over three months) but whenever I get the craving I just tell myself I really don't want to get back into it. I'll smoke pot again - that's a given - but only at concerts, friends' houses, church, or wherever else it seems appropriate. Don't buy it anymore, but am not averse to the stuff.

184 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 10:52:07pm

re: #183 darthstar

I quit chewing tobacco (hopefully for the last time) two weeks before our last software release...tough time to kick the habit. I still miss it (been a little over three months) but whenever I get the craving I just tell myself I really don't want to get back into it. I'll smoke pot again - that's a given - but only at concerts, friends' houses, church, or wherever else it seems appropriate. Don't buy it anymore, but am not averse to the stuff.

Whatever it takes to get you through the night - or the day, for that matter. As I've aged, I am become far more tolerant of people's foibles and habits and preferences than when I was younger. Seems to me this is wisdom.

185 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:00:53pm

Lord help me, but the lady just wrote me.

I'm going to need a moment.

186 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:02:58pm

re: #184 Guanxi88

Seems to me this is wisdom.

Nah, it's just a form of age related dementia known as "Commiefaecius Liberalitis". The only know treatment is regular, heavy doses of Rushcontin.

187 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:05:07pm

Yeah, I'm gonna get a drink and smoke my pipe.

188 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:21:42pm

Nessun maggior dolore
Che ricordarsi del tempo felice
Nella miseria.

Can't remember where, but it's from the Inferno. "There is no greater sadness than to recall happy times amid misery"

189 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:29:36pm

anyone awake?

190 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:31:40pm

re: #189 ggt

Yep, I am, anyway.

191 Mocking Jay  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:32:18pm

re: #187 Guanxi88

Yeah, I'm gonna get a drink and smoke my pipe.

Sounds like you need a double...

192 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:33:25pm

CAlling Laura Ingram a Right Wing Slut just doesn't have the same effect as calling Jane Curtain an Ignorant Slut.

If he was going for humor, he is about 40 years behind the times.

Which is par for the course with some of these wing-nuts.

193 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:34:35pm

re: #190 Guanxi88

Yep, I am, anyway.

I got the yuckky virus that is going around the Chicagoland area --sinus infection, throat, chest--life sucks right now.

It is bad for about 2 days.

You?

194 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:35:39pm

re: #189 ggt

anyone awake?

No.

195 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:38:44pm

re: #193 ggt

I got the yuckky virus that is going around the Chicagoland area --sinus infection, throat, chest--life sucks right now.

It is bad for about 2 days.

You?

Haven't enjoyed such rude good health in many a year - hell, I weigh less now than when I was in high school, haven't had so much as a cold in ages, etc., etc.

196 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:39:34pm

re: #193 ggt

life sucks right now.

Yeah, but at least you have your hea... err, never mind.

197 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:40:54pm

re: #195 Guanxi88

Haven't enjoyed such rude good health in many a year - hell, I weigh less now than when I was in high school, haven't had so much as a cold in ages, etc., etc.

I had that last year.

198 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:40:59pm

re: #196 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah, but at least you have your hea... err, never mind.

In one of his Essays, Woody Allen points out - correctly that wealth is better than health "if only for financial reasons."

He argues that you cannot go to the deli and say "Look at this healthy tan, and I haven't had a cold in years. Give me a pound of pastrami."

he makes a good case.

199 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:42:48pm

re: #198 Guanxi88

I'd prefer perfect health to perfect wealth, but he does make a damn solid argument there.

200 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:43:53pm

With perfect weatlh a person could pay someone else to go the deli and get the pastrami, make the sandwich and serve it on a silver platter.

Much easier.

201 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:44:24pm

Feeling more than a little like WP Mayhew just now:

Gone are the days
When my heart was young and gay.

The truth, my honey, is a tart that does not bear scrutiny. Breach my levee at your peril!

202 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:44:59pm

gone are the days when my joints didn't hurt when moved . . . .

203 AK-47%  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:45:48pm

re: #198 Guanxi88

In one of his Essays, Woody Allen points out - correctly that wealth is better than health "if only for financial reasons."

He argues that you cannot go to the deli and say "Look at this healthy tan, and I haven't had a cold in years. Give me a pound of pastrami."

he makes a good case.

Woody Allen cannot do it, but how many people get by with the approach of going up to a rich old guy and saying "Take a look at these abs/these boobs/this tight a**. I am HIV and STD- negative. Now pay my rent" ?

204 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:46:03pm

It's my body and I'll complain if I want to.

205 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:49:08pm

re: #203 ralphieboy

Woody Allen cannot do it, but how many people get by with the approach of going up to a rich old guy and saying "Take a look at these abs/these boobs/this tight a**. I am HIV and STD- negative. Now pay my rent" ?

I tried that once. The person I tried that on insisted that men should not have boobs. Oh well.

206 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:49:19pm

back in my grand productive days, you might have seen me more or less like this:

[Link: clip.ly...]

A little social lubricant, Mr. Fink?

207 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:51:24pm

re: #200 ggt

You make a good case as well. I would just prefer feeling good to getting served. I may just take Freetoken's advice and get back to exercising.

208 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:52:29pm

re: #191 JasonA

Sounds like you need a double...

I;ve been drinking at a steady clip for about 4 hours now. I find it is helpful.

209 AK-47%  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:53:19pm

re: #205 Slumbering Behemoth

I need to be more specific:
guys offer abs and a**, girls offer boobs and a**.

210 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:55:05pm

re: #209 ralphieboy

Then I have nothing to offer but witty banter.

Meh, who am I kidding? I have nothing to offer.

211 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:55:49pm

re: #178 Slumbering Behemoth

What kind of ghey thing did you guys do this time?
/

Must be retaliation for the Duboce Park "Hunky Jesus" competition this past easter.

212 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:56:16pm

re: #210 Slumbering Behemoth

It's not so bad; I've been living like that for years.

fake it until you can make it.

213 AK-47%  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:56:34pm

re: #210 Slumbering Behemoth

Then I have nothing to offer but witty banter.

Meh, who am I kidding? I have nothing to offer.

Can you carry luggage and discuss the holy scrptures?

214 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:57:08pm

re: #207 Slumbering Behemoth

You make a good case as well. I would just prefer feeling good to getting served. I may just take Freetoken's advice and get back to exercising.

Regular cardio has a analgesic effect, but the knees still hurt.

215 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:57:29pm

re: #213 ralphieboy

Not if your life depended on it!

216 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:57:32pm

re: #213 ralphieboy

Can you carry luggage and discuss the holy scrptures?

How about just carry luggage?

217 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:58:35pm

I can't carry luggage.

Mine have wheels.

218 Guanxi88  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:59:02pm

(Pours a double bourbon, hoisting his glass)


Gentlemen, a toast:

To our wives and sweethearts, to those special ladies who make life worth living.

May they never meet.

Thank you, thank you.

Joey Bishop, ladies and gentlemen.

219 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:59:06pm

re: #214 ggt

I read something recently that said ginger is good for that. I'm not given to woo woo health food trends, but some of that advice is good advice. Who knows?

220 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, May 25, 2011 11:59:37pm

re: #219 Slumbering Behemoth

I read something recently that said ginger is good for that. I'm not given to woo woo health food trends, but some of that advice is good advice. Who knows?

ginger is good for digestion.

and soda.

221 Guanxi88  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:00:19am

re: #220 ggt

ginger is good for digestion.

and soda.

mixes well with nearly all liquors.

222 AK-47%  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:02:39am

re: #219 Slumbering Behemoth

I read something recently that said ginger is good for that. I'm not given to woo woo health food trends, but some of that advice is good advice. Who knows?


My cure-all Chinese-Jewish remedy: chicken soup with lots of ginger, garlic, chili and coriander.

223 Guanxi88  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:03:19am

re: #222 ralphieboy

My cure-all Chinese-Jewish remedy: chicken soup with lots of ginger, garlic, chili and coriander.

(fakes a cough)

I could maybe use some?

224 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:04:06am

re: #222 ralphieboy

My cure-all Chinese-Jewish remedy: chicken soup with lots of ginger, garlic, chili and coriander.

China did take Jewish refugees fleeing Hitler.

So, it is a plausible soup.

225 Guanxi88  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:05:32am

re: #224 ggt

China did take Jewish refugees fleeing Hitler.

So, it is a plausible soup.

I had a great uncle who was stuck in Shanghai for precisely that reason. Ended up interred by the japanese until the end of the war. Quite a surprise to the family, getting a cable from Tokyo seeking confirmation of his identity

226 AK-47%  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:05:45am

chicken soup is pretty universal

227 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:05:53am

re: #222 ralphieboy

I like the hot and sour soup. Must be eaten at peak hotness, though. It loses it's appeal the closer it comes to room temperature.

228 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:06:33am

re: #225 Guanxi88

I had a great uncle who was stuck in Shanghai for precisely that reason. Ended up interred by the japanese until the end of the war. Quite a surprise to the family, getting a cable from Tokyo seeking confirmation of his identity

interred or interned?

229 Guanxi88  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:07:05am

re: #228 ggt

interred or interned?

I;m drunk - whichever one works. They locked him up.

230 Guanxi88  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:07:44am

re: #227 Slumbering Behemoth

It loses it's appeal the closer it comes to room temperature.

True of soup, and of people.

231 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:08:08am

re: #229 Guanxi88

I;m drunk - whichever one works. They locked him up.

Yeah, I figured. I believe you meant interned.

Interred is something entirely different. Well, sort of different.

232 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:08:46am

re: #230 Guanxi88

True of soup, and of people.

Better to be interred at room temperature or below.

233 Guanxi88  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:08:52am

re: #231 ggt

Yeah, I figured. I believe you meant interned.

Interred is something entirely different. Well, sort of different.

Depends. The Empire of the Sun - well, one was about the same as the other.

234 Guanxi88  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:09:59am

re: #232 ggt

Better to be interred at room temperature or below.

Smartass!

Why don't you mix me a grain alcohol and rainwater and pour yourself whatever you'd like.

235 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:10:55am

re: #234 Guanxi88

Smartass!

Why don't you mix me a grain alcohol and rainwater and pour yourself whatever you'd like.

I couldn't resist.

It's late, I have a fever.

236 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:10:59am

re: #230 Guanxi88

Oh dude. You do get dark as you drink. So far, not in a bad way.

237 Guanxi88  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:13:23am

re: #236 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh dude. You do get dark as you drink. So far, not in a bad way.

Eh, I self-edit quite a bit. Typing becomes more and more difficult the more and more I wish to say; to that extent, I am grateful for the loss of coordination that accompanies my catharsis.

But let me get full up tot he back teeth with the right stuff, and turn me loose in a room full of people, and it can get really interesting.

238 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:16:17am

re: #230 Guanxi88

But anyway, regarding hot and sour soup. I've never had another soup where I could start eating it and think "Man, this is the best soup I've ever had" while it's piping hot, then as it got colder I found myself thinking "WTF just happened here? This tastes like crap"?

Maybe it's just me.

239 Guanxi88  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:18:41am

re: #237 Guanxi88

Case in point - I once got absolutely hammered - I'm talking about "driving-dodi-and-di" levels of intoxication - and somehow or other found myself at a fraternity party, chatting up a really nice looking young lady (well, female, anyway).

She says to me : "You're kinda overdressed for this place aren't you?" (I used to be a Brooks Brothers trooper)

I: "Well, I suppose perhaps I am, but then, one always want to look one's best for occasions such as this."

She: "What occasion is that?"

I: "well, I mean to say, after a full night's drinking, there's always a chance I'll end up dead or laid. If I'm dead, I wanna be ready for the funeral, and if I get laid, I don't want to look like a slob, now do I?"

240 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:18:42am

back to bed

Enjoy

241 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:19:08am

re: #237 Guanxi88

But let me get full up tot he back teeth with the right stuff, and turn me loose in a room full of people, and it can get really interesting.

Were I to be around for such an occasion, know this: I'm gonna hide your coffee cup, just for the laughs.

242 Guanxi88  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:21:33am

re: #241 Slumbering Behemoth

Coffee is the key - I used to pound espresso and booze. either one by itself, and I was either a jittery yweeky wreck or a sobbing (or, occasionally, vicious) drunk. But the two together, and I could possibly be a good time, but I bore watching, in any event.

Take away the coffee, and it's bound to get ugly.

As was said of me once at a party where I collapsed in the middle of a sentence after putting down a fifth of bourbon while talking to the other guests "Dude, I think he's dead."

243 Guanxi88  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:24:03am

re: #242 Guanxi88

"You know, the French are like the weather. Everybody complains about them, but nobody ever does anything about the problem." - Said to a French student at his house party. I swiped his gin and cigarettes before he heaved me out on my ear.

244 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:27:15am

re: #243 Guanxi88

AAHHH!!

245 Guanxi88  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:27:29am

Said to another young woman at another party - she was sorta expressing interest in me, messing with my tie and other such flirtatious behavior:

What the hell is the matter with you? Are you THAT drunk? Jesus, woman, take a look at me; do you think my standards are so low that I'd sleep with any woman who'd want to sleep with me?

246 Guanxi88  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:29:34am

Needless to say, my manner was not uniformly pleasing in those days. But I did have my fans.

247 AK-47%  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:29:59am

re: #242 Guanxi88

Russians do something like that: party all night on vodka and black tea. Plus some high-fat snacks in between.

248 Guanxi88  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:32:28am

re: #247 ralphieboy

Hell, I used to live in a Russian neighborhood. I know better than to drink with those maniacs.

Once went carousing (drunk-walking, I called it) and somehow fell in with a group of Irish students. Damned fine time. I woke up the next morning in a house full of people who had no idea who I was. In another town; the next county over.

249 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:34:17am

Senior Citizens driving on South Park. Gotta go.

Peace out, Lizards.

250 AK-47%  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:34:51am

re: #248 Guanxi88

I lived in a neighborhood on Moscow. The trick is to drink the vodka straight, the tea without sugar, and stuff a bit of sausage or fish in your face inbetween.

251 Guanxi88  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:36:44am

re: #250 ralphieboy

I lived in a neighborhood on Moscow. The trick is to drink the vodka straight, the tea without sugar, and stuff a bit of sausage or fish in your face inbetween.

Yeah, there were some young women who used to do stuff like that.

(heheheheheh)

252 Amory Blaine  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:39:02am

Holy Shnikies

Arizona cops shoot innocent marine 60 times in botched drug raid.

253 AK-47%  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:39:23am

re: #251 Guanxi88

Had this girlfriend in Moscow, a half-Tatar, named Galina Gaidarovna Fetkhetdinovna. She told me that her surname means "The Triumph of islam" in Tatar.

All I could say was "Geeeeeeeee-had, baby!"

254 Guanxi88  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:41:41am

re: #253 ralphieboy

Had this girlfriend in Moscow, a half-Tatar, named Galina Gaidarovna Fetkhetdinovna. She told me that her surname means "The Triumph of islam" in Tatar.

All I could say was "Geee-had, baby!"

Used to know this Uzbek girl - stunning. She could cause traffic accidents just walking on the sidewalk. Gorgeous, but her father - hell, I was afraid of his mustache.

255 AK-47%  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:42:26am

re: #252 Amory Blaine


Arizonas want Law and Order, but they also want Low Taxes. Sheriffs Dupnik and Arpaio are the natural outcome of this unfortunate combination.

256 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:48:19am

re: #192 ggt

CAlling Laura Ingram a Right Wing Slut just doesn't have the same effect as calling Jane Curtain an Ignorant Slut.

If he was going for humor, he is about 40 years behind the times.

Which is par for the course with some of these wing-nuts.

Shultz misses the comic effect Dan Ackroyd had, for sure.

257 Guanxi88  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:50:34am

re: #256 SanFranciscoZionist

Shultz misses the comic effect Dan Ackroyd had, for sure.

Ah, Mr. Aykroyd - another neurodiverse, as they like to call them. Love the guy.

258 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:50:58am

re: #219 Slumbering Behemoth

I read something recently that said ginger is good for that. I'm not given to woo woo health food trends, but some of that advice is good advice. Who knows?

Ginger is generally good for you.

Also, it tastes nice.

What's really nice is a cup of tea made with a black tea bag and a ginger tea bag. A nice little bite. Sugar optional.

259 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:51:23am

re: #222 ralphieboy

My cure-all Chinese-Jewish remedy: chicken soup with lots of ginger, garlic, chili and coriander.

That'll cure anything, or at least make you feel better while you die.

260 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:51:55am

re: #224 ggt

China did take Jewish refugees fleeing Hitler.

So, it is a plausible soup.

My old synagogue was started in Shanghai, then everyone came to San Francisco.

261 Guanxi88  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:51:56am

re: #259 SanFranciscoZionist

That'll cure anything, or at least make you feel better while you die.

Life is a terminal condition; consequently, all treatments are purely symptomatic.

262 Amory Blaine  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:52:09am

One of my favorite Akroyd skits.

263 Guanxi88  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:52:40am

re: #260 SanFranciscoZionist

My old synagogue was started in Shanghai, then everyone came to San Francisco.

Great! Now, I've got Orson Welles yammering away in my head.

Thank you, SFZ.

"...a deliberate, intentional fool...."

264 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:54:23am

re: #231 ggt

Yeah, I figured. I believe you meant interned.

Interred is something entirely different. Well, sort of different.

More permanent, often.

Friend of mine is Filipino, from a family of five. All the kids have names starting with "D" except the second child, Judy. Judy was named in honor of St. Jude. The deal was, if my friend's father survived being held in prison by the Japanese, the baby would be named for Jude, the saint of lost causes.

Pop was eighty-five pounds when he got home, but he did get home.

265 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:55:07am

re: #238 Slumbering Behemoth

But anyway, regarding hot and sour soup. I've never had another soup where I could start eating it and think "Man, this is the best soup I've ever had" while it's piping hot, then as it got colder I found myself thinking "WTF just happened here? This tastes like crap"?

Maybe it's just me.

It starts to gel as it gets colder. And the flavors do something weird.

266 Guanxi88  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:55:10am

re: #260 SanFranciscoZionist

My old synagogue was started in Shanghai, then everyone came to San Francisco.

re: #263 Guanxi88

Great! Now, I've got Orson Welles yammering away in my head.

Thank you, SFZ.

"...a deliberate, intentional fool..."

which brings me to Dietrich, as always:

267 freetoken  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:57:44am

re: #266 Guanxi88

I was just watching the 1982 BBC interview with Welles, about an hour ago, and they close the first part with Dietrich's final scene.

It's a small world.

268 Guanxi88  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:58:38am

re: #267 freetoken

I was just watching the 1982 BBC interview with Welles, about an hour ago, and they close the first part with Dietrich's final scene.

It's a small world.

Those last few scenes with her - Hell, the whole rest of the movie could be lost forever, and just those few minutes would be enough.

269 Guanxi88  Thu, May 26, 2011 1:07:37am

I fired my neurotherapist last month. the Bitter Half had been compelling me to seek "treatment" for my unusual condition, much against my will ("I'm quirky, not crazy.").

Son of a bitch said of me "You're a remarkable case; you've managed to build an entire inner life for yourself out of literature, music, and film, and can actually 'pass' for a normal person. I think you might even believe that this mimickry of yours is in fact your emotional life."

I ask what he means by that.

"Well, because of your condition, your real emotional responses are muted or inappropriate, or absent altogether. Now, you know that's not how people are supposed to be, and so you've learned to mimic normal behaviors. You've done it so long, and so well, that you've fooled everybody, including yourself."

So what you mean is that I can fool most people who aren't experts? Then I'm cured, aren't I?

And with that, I fired him.

270 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 26, 2011 1:16:27am

re: #269 Guanxi88

I fired my neurotherapist last month. the Bitter Half had been compelling me to seek "treatment" for my unusual condition, much against my will ("I'm quirky, not crazy.").

Son of a bitch said of me "You're a remarkable case; you've managed to build an entire inner life for yourself out of literature, music, and film, and can actually 'pass' for a normal person. I think you might even believe that this mimickry of yours is in fact your emotional life."

I ask what he means by that.

"Well, because of your condition, your real emotional responses are muted or inappropriate, or absent altogether. Now, you know that's not how people are supposed to be, and so you've learned to mimic normal behaviors. You've done it so long, and so well, that you've fooled everybody, including yourself."

So what you mean is that I can fool most people who aren't experts? Then I'm cured, aren't I?

And with that, I fired him.

The lightbulb must first want to change.

271 Guanxi88  Thu, May 26, 2011 1:19:24am

re: #270 SanFranciscoZionist

The lightbulb must first want to change.

Bingo. And me - I've made peace with being a blacklight.

Honestly, though, I told him the whole thing sounded like an Emperor's New Clothes scam.

272 freetoken  Thu, May 26, 2011 1:20:45am

re: #271 Guanxi88

Bingo. And me - I've made peace with being a blacklight.

So, you give off ultra-violet light... oh wait... that means you're... you are an INDIGO CHILD!!

273 Guanxi88  Thu, May 26, 2011 1:22:24am

re: #272 freetoken

So, you give off ultra-violet light... oh wait... that means you're... you are an INDIGO CHILD!!

Look, you seem like a good egg. Don't let's start with that nonsense.

:)

It's a condition - over-diagnosed, but real nonetheless - and it's not an ideal way to be. You can either try to fix it, or live with it, if you can.

274 AK-47%  Thu, May 26, 2011 1:22:49am

re: #245 Guanxi88

Said to another young woman at another party - she was sorta expressing interest in me, messing with my tie and other such flirtatious behavior:

What the hell is the matter with you? Are you THAT drunk? Jesus, woman, take a look at me; do you think my standards are so low that I'd sleep with any woman who'd want to sleep with me?

"I wouldn't join any country club that would have me as a member!"

-Groucho Marx

275 Guanxi88  Thu, May 26, 2011 1:23:53am

re: #274 ralphieboy

"I wouldn't join any country club that would have me as a member!"

-Groucho Marx

Something like that, only thrown in another person's face.

VERY ugly example of self-loathing expanding in its scope to include others; a specialty of mine.

276 freetoken  Thu, May 26, 2011 1:26:22am

re: #273 Guanxi88

It's a condition - ....

Heh, all I know is that you like to drink while contemplating philosophy, which puts you in some fine company, historically speaking.

277 Guanxi88  Thu, May 26, 2011 1:31:57am

re: #276 freetoken

Heh, all I know is that you like to drink while contemplating philosophy, which puts you in some fine company, historically speaking.

I've got a personality that can be described - generously - as a disorder.

Want a taste of what it's like? Here's one.

Had an unrequited long-term thing going with a lady. I knew I wasn't in her league, but tortured myself by taking her out and about in my capacity as close trusted friend.

So, she's having me vet one of her prospective boyfriends. (And can you imagine what doing that is like?) He's got good lucks, plenty of cash, and comes from a good family. Worse, he's a really decent guy. Whatever slim chances I have are evaporating right in front of me as the three of us belly up to the bar.

He excuses himself to go to the men's room when a booth opens. I say I'll settle the bill, and have the lady to go to the booth to hold it for us. I call the barkeep over. "It's none of our business, the lady and I, but you see that guy?" I jerked my head, discreetly, toward the back of Galahad as he walked toward the head. "He's been stealing tips off the bar."

they dragged him outta the men's room and threw him out so hard he bounced. Needless to say, having caused such a scene, he lost favor in her eyes.

Like that.

278 freetoken  Thu, May 26, 2011 1:32:56am

So, I'm reading a Christian forum that is bemoaning the foolishness of Harold Camping, all the while arguing whether the "Temple" spoken about in the NT, which the Jews are (according to some of the posters) supposed to build (in their un-Christian way), which is then supposed to be inhabited by the "man of sin" (which leads to all of them being wiped out), is really a physical structure in what is today on the hill that is on current Israel's border (in the divided Jerusalem), or if all those references to "Temple" refer to the human body.

I wonder if pots and kettles can ever experience self-realizations, or if they can only know about the other kitchen appliances?

279 freetoken  Thu, May 26, 2011 1:36:33am

re: #277 Guanxi88

Like that.

Remind me to never introduce you the female objects of my desire.

280 Guanxi88  Thu, May 26, 2011 1:38:02am

re: #279 freetoken

Remind me to never introduce you the female objects of my desire.

As I've told my wife many, many times: if you think living with me is hard, try being me, and having to live with yourself.

281 Guanxi88  Thu, May 26, 2011 1:39:26am

re: #279 freetoken

Remind me to never introduce you the female objects of my desire.

Eh, these days, I'm not looking to add to my collection. You're safe.

282 Guanxi88  Thu, May 26, 2011 1:42:01am

Before I got married, and excluding the aforementioned unrequited one there (which went on for about five years), my longest-term relationship was with a young lady who said of me once "You know, you're a genuinely decent guy, but you're not really fully human. You should warn any future girlfriends about that."

283 thecommodore  Thu, May 26, 2011 1:42:48am

re: #1 darthstar

It was a good apology. Sincere. Showed a bit of class after a classless act. Any bets on whether Ingraham accepts it graciously? Or does she have it in her?

I agree completely. I liked him when I first heard him in the early Air America days, but in recent years he's become more combative and obnoxious, and it hard to watch or listen to. This is a good first step for him, but he has a few more to go.

284 freetoken  Thu, May 26, 2011 2:03:09am

"The End of All Things":

Camping should be so lucky...

285 AK-47%  Thu, May 26, 2011 2:15:04am

It can mean only one thing: the Ring has not yet been destroyed!!!

286 laZardo  Thu, May 26, 2011 2:31:51am

re: #285 ralphieboy

It can mean only one thing: the Ring has not yet been destroyed!!!

Still?

287 laZardo  Thu, May 26, 2011 2:32:57am

Also good news. Managed to get a 160GB Samsung that fits the Parallel ATA port off a local website for P800 off eBay's price and had it delivered here a few minutes ago.

288 Obdicut  Thu, May 26, 2011 2:41:24am

re: #287 laZardo

Good jorb.

One of my laptops has developed a problem recharging. I hate problems with laptops, 'cuz I can't fix them myself.

289 researchok  Thu, May 26, 2011 2:55:10am

Morning, all

290 windsagio  Thu, May 26, 2011 2:56:21am

that was shorter than I thought; ss would be happy :D

291 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 3:48:00am

Morning Honcos.

292 Obdicut  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:06:31am

Ugh. This sucks:

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

As a result of Indiana's privatization of its Family & Social Services Administration, widely viewed as a boondoggle in favor of contractor IBM, a woman says her adult schizophrenic son was kicked off Medicaid. With no medication, she says, "his voices told him to gouge out her eyes, and he did."
In her claim against Indiana and IBM, which took over the state social services agency on a $1.3 billion contract, she says her son was kicked off medical coverage despite her repeated submissions of all the documents requested. With no help and no medication for her son, he acted against her.

This has been one of the most fucked-up privatizations in the history of government.

Indiana's privatization of its FSSA system led to three giant lawsuits, and several minor ones. Indiana and IBM filed dueling lawsuits against each other in May 2010, the state claiming that IBM had bungled its installation so badly that it would cost taxpayers "hundreds of millions of dollars." IBM countersued for breach of contract.
"FSSA was left with virtually nothing of value from IBM's failed performance, and indeed is now faced with expending hundreds of millions of dollars in reprogramming and eventually entirely replacing IBM's failed systems," the state claimed, as Courthouse News reported at the time.
Indiana added that IBM's performance was so bad it led to numerous civil lawsuits against the state.
In April this year, Medicaid recipients filed a class action against IBM and subcontractors, claiming thousands of people were denied coverage or suffered lapses in coverage because IBM screwed up its installation so badly that the state fired it 7 years early from its $1.3 billion contract.

293 AK-47%  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:11:29am

re: #292 Obdicut

Government boondoggle vs private sector efficiency?

294 Obdicut  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:11:37am

And the Wisconsin Republicans aren't finished digging that hole for themselves:

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

A Republican Assemblyman this week introduced an immigration bill that will require residents to carry identification. Failure to do so would allow police to arrest and hold them for 48 hours if officers have a "reasonable suspicion" that the person is undocumented.
If proof of legal presence in Wisconsin is not provided within that time, the person is to be sent to a federal jail for deportation.

295 Obdicut  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:12:59am

re: #293 ralphieboy

It's a mutual fuckup, and it may be one of the reasons Mitch Daniels isn't running for president. Whenever the government decides to privatize something that really shouldn't be privatized, that's a failure on the part of government.

The subsequent failure of the private entity sucks and is terrible, but the government should have never passed on responsibility like that in the first place.

296 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:15:54am

re: #292 Obdicut

Ugh. This sucks:

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

This has been one of the most fucked-up privatizations in the history of government.

There is no other kind.

Privatization has always caused an increase in cost and a decrease in performance. Every time I hear a Republican talking about privatization, I know things are about to get worse.

297 AK-47%  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:18:34am

re: #294 Obdicut

If we were all required to carry identification (as residents have to do here in Germany) and present it whenever we register a car, open a bank account, rent an apartment, enrol a child in school, etc, things would look a lot different regarding illegal immigration.

And they would not have to detain you and deport you, either.

298 Obdicut  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:20:45am

re: #297 ralphieboy

You do have to provide ID to register a car, open a bank account, and rent an apartment. I think you do to enroll a child in school.

Why do you think otherwise?

299 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:21:26am

re: #297 ralphieboy

In Florida, if a cop ask you for ID (with probable cause to) and you don't have one, I'm pretty sure they can detain you until they know who you are.(someone brings your ID, etc)

300 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:22:34am

re: #296 wlewisiii

Privatization has always caused an increase in cost and a decrease in performance.

What a weird statement. You are saying that every industry sector should be nationalized and private property be abolished in order to reduce costs and increase performance?

301 AK-47%  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:23:47am

re: #298 Obdicut

You need to present a SS card or a driver's license, but they are not necessarily proof of legal residence.

302 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:25:14am

re: #297 ralphieboy

There one crucial difference here is that in Germany you are legally obligated to have identification ("Ausweispflicht"). In the US, while it's very impractical, you technically can do without.

303 AK-47%  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:25:29am

re: #300 000G


Don't overhyperbolize. America as a rule only nationalizes those things that the private sector cannot handle efficiently or fairly. When we start privatizing those aspects, it is a sign that we have gone too far with it.

304 Obdicut  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:26:06am

re: #301 ralphieboy

You need to present a SS card or a driver's license, but they are not necessarily proof of legal residence.

Oh. So you don't mean 'identification', you mean 'proof of legal residence'.

305 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:26:12am

re: #301 ralphieboy

You need to present a SS card or a driver's license, but they are not necessarily proof of legal residence.

Errrr... I am pretty sure driver's licenses are tied to residence. I know of people who had to get re-registered at the DMV when they moved between states.

306 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:27:05am

re: #303 ralphieboy

Don't overhyperbolize. America as a rule only nationalizes those things that the private sector cannot handle efficiently or fairly. When we start privatizing those aspects, it is a sign that we have gone too far with it.

I was specifically replying to wlewisiii's argument, not to "America as a rule". Also, "overhyperbolize" is a pleonasm.

307 AK-47%  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:27:20am

re: #302 000G


I got a friendly letter from the local authorities (where I am a registered legal resident alien) reminding me that my US passport was about to expire and that I needed to renew it, as I was not allowed to stay without a valid passport.

Good thing, I prbably woulda forgot about it and found myself trying to board a flight somewhere with an outdated passport...

308 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:27:35am

re: #304 Obdicut

Oh. So you don't mean 'identification', you mean 'proof of legal residence'.

In Germany, it is one and the same, hence his confusion.

309 Obdicut  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:27:52am

re: #305 000G

Yeah. Whether or not anyone who is here improperly can get a drivers license is decided on a state-by-state basis. I'm not sure where it is legal at the moment.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

310 AK-47%  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:28:12am

re: #306 000G

I was specifically replying to wlewisiii's argument, not to "America as a rule". Also, "overhyperbolize" is a pleonasm.

I am feeling pleonsatsy today.

311 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:28:39am

re: #305 000G

Errr... I am pretty sure driver's licenses are tied to residence. I know of people who had to get re-registered at the DMV when they moved between states.

You're supposed to hold a driver's license issued by the state where you live, but it's not stringently enforced. Some of my kids still hold Michigan driver's licenses even though they have lived out of state for years.

312 Obdicut  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:30:13am

re: #308 000G

In Germany, it is one and the same, hence his confusion.

The solution to illegal immigration is never going to be rounding up people on the street and deporting them, nor will it be making it harder for them to go about things legally. It's always easy to get someone else to rent the apartment for you, register the car for you, etc. etc.

A solution to the 'problem' of illegal immigration has to be a policy one, not a law enforcement one.

313 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:30:17am

Flood warnings all over the place this morning, but at least the roadways are not covered in water like they were yesterday when I was driving home.

314 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:30:31am

re: #309 Obdicut

Many illegals here were driving to North Carolina to get DL's years ago. (people I worked with) A friend of mine had a "business permit only" DL from Florida, moved to Maryland and got a regular one. A Florida BPO means driving only to work, church, store, etc.

315 AK-47%  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:32:23am

re: #312 Obdicut

A solution to the 'problem' of illegal immigration has to be a policy one, not a law enforcement one.

This is exactly my objection to Arizona's immigration bill and all the other similar ones being proposed.

316 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:34:28am

re: #300 000G

What a weird statement. You are saying that every industry sector should be nationalized and private property be abolished in order to reduce costs and increase performance?

There are things that business does well - but government is not business. I do not expect government to produce steel, for example, but I do expect it to run welfare since, historically, business and private charity has repeatedly proven to be incapable of dealing with the needs of people.

We get told how glorious "deregulation" and "privatization" are but yet, all that ever happens is costs go up and performance goes down. They just "deregulated" the telecom industry here and my phone bill will soon increase. Likewise they want to "privatize" welfare so that much money can be skimmed off the top because those lazy poor folks don't really need it. The same is true of the efforts to destroy Medicare/Medicaid; all that's missing is that even they know admitting they just want, ala Rand, the old people to go off and die cheaply is political suicide.

317 Obdicut  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:38:12am

re: #316 wlewisiii

California was promised deregulation of energy would lead to cheaper prices.

It led to blackouts, soaring prices, and Enron.

Yay.

318 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:38:28am

re: #316 wlewisiii

There are things that business does well - but government is not business. I do not expect government to produce steel, for example, but I do expect it to run welfare since, historically, business and private charity has repeatedly proven to be incapable of dealing with the needs of people.

I was not arguing what business does well or not, I was arguing your argument which held that

[p]rivatization has always caused an increase in cost and a decrease in performance.

So you would have to at least conclude that all businesses which the government at some point decides to nationalize (e.g. for welfare reasons, like in Venezuela or Cuba) should henceforth never be privatized again because that would result in an increase in costs and a decrease in performance. Thus, I found that to be a very weird statement of yours.

319 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:39:54am

re: #317 Obdicut

California was promised deregulation of energy would lead to cheaper prices.

It led to blackouts, soaring prices, and Enron.

Yay.

Ever see the movie "The smartest kid in the Room"? My old boss talked about it. I guess the story was about deregulation in Cali and W and his friends.

320 AK-47%  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:40:02am

re: #318 000G

It was pretty clear to me that wle was talking about privatisation of existing, established government programs. We are not here to pick nits.

321 Obdicut  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:40:59am

re: #319 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yep. My wife watched it the other day; I caught most of it. I knew most of it already.

Enron traders talking to each other, openly acknowledging that they were stealing money, that they were shutting down plants just to make the price of energy go up. So shameful, so ridiculously, banally evil.

322 AK-47%  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:42:18am

re: #321 Obdicut

I remember Rush blaming it all on "environmental whackos" who opposed construction of new power plants.

323 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:43:06am

re: #320 ralphieboy

It was pretty clear to me that wle was talking about privatisation of existing, established government programs. We are not here to pick nits.

Existing, established government programs differ in different states, different municipalities and over time. At some point they get established, at some point they get abolished. It's contingent.

I find blanket statements like "all privatization is bad" as silly as "all privatization is good", quite frankly.

324 AK-47%  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:45:14am

re: #323 000G

A lot of Free Market advocates like to overlook Adam Smith's other statement that "markets are here to serve the people, peole are not here to serve the markets."

That is the standard by which we should judge the merit of privatization vs. nationalization: if the market can handle it to everyone's benefit, then let them at it.

325 Obdicut  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:45:23am

re: #323 000G

Existing, established government programs differ in different states, different municipalities and over time. At some point they get established, at some point they get abolished. It's contingent.

I find blanket statements like "all privatization is bad" as silly as "all privatization is good", quite frankly.

Can you cite a time where privatization has worked out fine and dandy?

I'm sure there are cases. I just don't know of any. Obviously, the problematic ones more often get reported on.

Privatization of anything that does not admit the profit motive is unlikely to ever produce a benefit.

326 AK-47%  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:46:17am

We sometimes let the Unseen Hand smack us upside the head...

327 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:46:49am

re: #324 ralphieboy

That is the standard by which we should judge the merit of privatization vs. nationalization: if the market can handle it to everyone's benefit, then let them at it.

That's a circular argument, though, because with that you argue that a market should basically fulfill the function of welfare.

328 AK-47%  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:48:22am

re: #327 000G

They should work to benefit everyone: you know, the unseen hand thing, balancing supply and demand, optimizing the flow of capital to where it is most effective. That is not welfare.

329 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:50:01am

re: #323 000G

Existing, established government programs differ in different states, different municipalities and over time. At some point they get established, at some point they get abolished. It's contingent.

I find blanket statements like "all privatization is bad" as silly as "all privatization is good", quite frankly.

Ok, I see.

How about "I have never, in my experience, encountered a privatization program that was good"? That should leave sufficient wiggle room to allow for the fantasy that a good one exists.

(Kinda like "teaching the controversy"?)

330 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:51:57am

re: #325 Obdicut

Can you cite a time where privatization has worked out fine and dandy?

"Fine and dandy" is a pretty loopy term to argue these points. Without welfare, there is always going to be some who lose out. That doesn't make all welfare desirable. Without going into contextual detail of history, technological progress, legal circumstances and all, you end up just pushing ideological stances without substance.

The former Eastern Bloc states are examples of privatization that has been horrible in some cases (especially energy industry, where the states have often backpedaled and re-nationalized) but benefitial in others. It's unfair to look at these cases, though, and disregard the decades of government mismanagement, corruption and outright fraud that preceded the collapse of the Soviet Union and badly damaged a lot of industries.

331 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:52:44am

re: #328 ralphieboy

They should work to benefit everyone: you know, the unseen hand thing, balancing supply and demand, optimizing the flow of capital to where it is most effective. That is not welfare.

Sorry, I don't subscribe to Adam Smith or free market fundamentalism (which are two different schools, btw, one is classical economics, the other neoclassical).

332 Obdicut  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:55:22am

re: #330 000G

"Fine and dandy" is a pretty loopy term to argue these points.

Oh please. It's colloquial English. Deal with it.

Without welfare, there is always going to be some who lose out. That doesn't make all welfare desirable.

Uh, why are you talking about making all welfare desirable? I asked for an example of successful privatization. Why are we talking about welfare?

The former Eastern Bloc states are examples of privatization that has been horrible in some cases (especially energy industry, where the states have often backpedaled and re-nationalized) but benefitial in others.

Oh, if you look to South America too, there's lots of successful privatization (as well as terrible) because, often, the governments are extremely corrupt anyway.

I meant here in the US.

333 AK-47%  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:56:32am

re: #331 000G

Adam Smith was never for laissez-faire, he certainly foresaw a role for government: namely to assure that markets operate for everyone's benefit, and not just those of the producers and suppliers.
The Enron catastrophe was a fine example of what happens when government neglects its role.

334 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:57:30am

re: #332 Obdicut

Oh please. It's colloquial English. Deal with it.

How about you deal with the fact that some colloquial English is not sufficient to talk about some issues in earnest detail?

Uh, why are you talking about making all welfare desirable? I asked for an example of successful privatization. Why are we talking about welfare?

As I understand it, the government providing services to the benefit of the general public is welfare.

I meant here in the US.

Sorry, you didn't say. Can't help you with that. Otherwise I also would have mentioned England (emancipation of serfs) and Prussia.

335 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:57:31am

BBL. Gotta get my son to school.

336 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:58:24am

re: #333 ralphieboy

Adam Smith was never for laissez-faire, he certainly foresaw a role for government: namely to assure that markets operate for everyone's benefit, and not just those of the producers and suppliers.
The Enron catastrophe was a fine example of what happens when government neglects its role.

As I said, I do not subscribe to Adam Smith. Classical economics is deeply flawed, basically because it analyses all economical categories in fundamentally political terms.

337 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:59:05am

Gotta go as well, byebye.

338 AK-47%  Thu, May 26, 2011 4:59:36am

Oh no! The invisible hand strikes again!!!

339 Obdicut  Thu, May 26, 2011 5:01:03am

re: #334 000G

How about you deal with the fact that some colloquial English is not sufficient to talk about some issues in earnest detail?

I'm sorry, but I think that 'earnest detail' is kind of a loopy phrase to use. What do you mean by it?


As I understand it, the government providing services to the benefit of the general public is welfare.

Oh. No. It's not. Welfare specifically means providing direct income, or slightly indirect-- like food stamps-- to citizens. Not services in general.


Sorry, you didn't say. Can't help you with that. Otherwise I also would have mentioned England (emancipation of serfs) and Prussia.

Yeah, using examples from five hundred years ago isn't very relevant. But at least you didn't say 'dandy'.

340 Obdicut  Thu, May 26, 2011 5:06:59am

This sounds like an interesting church:

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

Seventy "embarrassed and humiliated" Baptists want their pastor removed, saying he stole money from the church, made lewd remarks to women, threatened parishioners with a gun, and was involved in "violent criminal activity," including waving a handgun at motorists while cruising with two open bottles of alcohol and two loaded guns in his pickup truck.


They claim Baines has defamed former, deceased pastors of the church; brandished a gun at a male congregant who dared to criticize him, and forced the man off church grounds; made lewd comments to female parishioners, old and young; "had his son, Reverend Theodore Baines Jr., electronically transfer funds from a bank account of the church to her personal bank account without the approval of the membership body of the church, with such transfers presently under investigation by the Harris County District Attorney's Office for possible criminal charges; [and] continually disrespected the church by uncontrollable consumption of alcohol while on duty as pastor at the church," among other things.
341 AK-47%  Thu, May 26, 2011 5:15:00am

There is a reason that the Bible Belt is so puritanical in its approach: a lot of these people are descendants of the Scotch-Irish settlers who were some of the drinkin-est, whorin-est, gamblin-est, fighten-est cavortin' roustabouts this nation has seen.

These are the sort of people who need a strict moral corset in place in order to remain in line, for once they stray a single step, it's all slippery slope for them.

342 Obdicut  Thu, May 26, 2011 5:26:52am

Check out this creepy fuck:

He uses the name of this woman on the billboard:

The billboard depicts an Alamogordo businessman, GEFNET owner Greg A. Fultz, holding what appears to be an outlined baby in his arms as he is looking down at it. Next to the picture, in large print, is the statement, "This Would Have Been A Picture Of My 2-month Old Baby If The Mother Had Decided To Not KILL Our Child! [sic]."

Fultz said he was in a relationship with a woman about 1 1/2 years ago.

"There was a pregnancy, then there wasn't," he said, "with a woman named Nani. I started my pro-life work because I don't know if it was a miscarriage or an abortion. If it was an abortion, my work is set out to prevent this from happening to somebody else. My goal is to try to change one person's mind when it comes to abortion and let the baby live. The billboard stands alone. There are no names of people; just an organization."

Fultz said he would only state that Nani is under the age of 21.

343 RadicalModerate  Thu, May 26, 2011 5:27:49am

Looks like one of the key players who engaged in ethnic cleansing in the Bosnian war has finally been captured.

Ratko Mladic arrested: Bosnia war crimes suspect held

Ratko Mladic, wanted by UN prosecutors for war crimes during the Bosnian civil war, has been arrested in Serbia after a decade in hiding.

Serbian President Boris Tadic confirmed the arrest of the former Bosnian Serb army chief at a news conference.

Gen Mladic is accused of a key role in the massacre of at least 7,500 men and boys at Srebrenica in 1995.

He was the most prominent Bosnian war crimes suspect at large since the arrest of Radovan Karadzic in 2008.

344 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 5:30:59am

re: #342 Obdicut

When I was 18 my GF told me she miscarried but actually had an abortion. Didn't lead to any political decisions about life for me, especially not like THAT.

345 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 5:38:22am

Hurricane season starts Wednesday. If one comes close to Florida, keep it on your cable news station as they report people running out to buy water, batteries, food, etc. When you see these people make sure to laugh in their general direction and call them stoopid.

346 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 26, 2011 5:48:14am

re: #345 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hurricane season starts Wednesday. If one comes close to Florida, keep it on your cable news station as they report people running out to buy water, batteries, food, etc. When you see these people make sure to laugh in their general direction and call them stoopid.

That's why we don't let our gas tanks go below 1/2 during hurricane season--We plan to be gone when these types are panicing at the pump.

347 Ericus58  Thu, May 26, 2011 5:52:54am

re: #343 RadicalModerate

Looks like one of the key players who engaged in ethnic cleansing in the Bosnian war has finally been captured.

Ratko Mladic arrested: Bosnia war crimes suspect held

This War Criminal deserves the death penalty.

348 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 5:53:17am

re: #346 Decatur Deb

That's why we don't let our gas tanks go below 1/2 during hurricane season--We plan to be gone when these types are panicing at the pump.

In 2004 I went to an Albertson's for some carrots (or something) because I was making soup. I asked the lady at check out if these people know where they live. (All were scrambling for provisions) She said she didn't think so. Also, the Subway a couple doors down had a line out the door.

349 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 5:58:55am

re: #347 Ericus58

This War Criminal deserves the death penalty.

Do they have the death penalty still for war crimes? Seems the world has become more war criminal friendly since WW2.

350 Summer Seale  Thu, May 26, 2011 5:59:43am

I have to say, I found his apology to be really heartfelt. Maybe he's a good actor or maybe not, but that must not have been easy either way. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he probably really meant it though. And I'm glad he did apologize.

But I actually wasn't very offended in the first place - not because I think that Laura is a slut (she probably isn't, which is maybe something that contributes to the way she is...ha!) but...I think I'm pretty jaded at this point.

Now, before anyone gets mad, I think a lot of people here know that I'm really an atheist feminist to the core, right? But here's the thing: Feminism really did split into two major camps after the 60's, and I've been looking at where it has all been ending up. One side supported women "exploiting themselves" (IE: prostitution, porn, etc...) as a sign of empowerment, not servitude, and the other side didn't. In fact, many of those on the "anti-porn" side even took up alliances with some religious conservatives.

I think some women have been desensitized in some way to the word "slut" as part of the sexual revolution in feminism. Meaning: maybe people like me don't see what's so terribly bad about being a slut. When you think about what it means, it means that you sleep around. Ok, so what? A lot of people think it's old fashioned in the extreme to say that girls can't sleep around but guys can. Guys will get praised for it and girls won't, and that's where the difference lies.

That's fundamentally more sexist than treating a girl just like a guy in that respect. The only problem is that most people still take a sort of conservative view when it comes to that. Guys sleeping around = stud. Girls sleeping around = slut. Not really sure I want to contribute to that stereotype, but then again...that's the accepted term. So, like the "N-word", you can either be owned by it, or own it yourself.

I guess that's why I kinda shrugged my shoulders in a way. Of course, I'm pretty sure Laura Ingraham isn't exactly liberated in that sense so she almost certainly took it worse than I ever would have, and maybe that's why I think it did merit an apology.

I'm glad he apologized. I guess I just want to explain something about my own way of thinking and my own views of what is misogynistic at the fundamental level.

Sorry if I didn't make sense. And, btw, for the record, I don't think it's appropriate to call anyone a "slut" (or even a "stud"!) on the air. It's just a stupid reference. I understand what he was trying to say and his basic premise was right, but the language just wasn't appropriate.

Ok and I know what I just wrote may have the chance of getting piled on so, in the spirit of trying to fend off more arguments against mine: I'm aware of them. I know there is a perception thing to be dealt with as well about women in Business and in positions of power. BELIEVE ME, that isn't lost on me. =) But that isn't the point. I'm trying to make a rational argument about a connotative set of words (which in itself is based on irrationality, I know...) and maybe I'm failing. I'm just trying to explain my own logical thinking on this. And don't forget: I said I'm glad that he apologized and should have, because not everyone is as "liberated" as I am, and because it also just wasn't appropriate. I mean, would anyone say that Ed Schultz is a "stud" for the left-wing? Not only would that not really register as a valid point, it also wouldn't make any sense in most people's minds.... =P

351 Summer Seale  Thu, May 26, 2011 6:01:40am

re: #349 Cannadian Club Akbar

Do they have the death penalty still for war crimes? Seems the world has become more war criminal friendly since WW2.

They don't have it for war criminals anymore. The most they can get is life. Even the Rwandan massacre criminals, with nearly 1 million killed, cannot be put to death at the Hague.

And btw, I am also glad they got Ratko Mladic. I tweeted it as soon as I saw it on CNN's page. I'm very, very, happy that they got him.

Maybe they can put him in with his buddy Radovan and they can be shower buddies.

352 Obdicut  Thu, May 26, 2011 6:02:20am

re: #350 Summer

A) I don't think that women who get called slut for being sexually active should feel bad.

B) But people who try to levy insults by using the word slut are still stupid assholes, for exactly that reason.

353 Summer Seale  Thu, May 26, 2011 6:03:54am

re: #352 Obdicut

A) I don't think that women who get called slut for being sexually active should feel bad.

B) But people who try to levy insults by using the word slut are still stupid assholes, for exactly that reason.

How come you said what I wanted to say in only 2 sentences when it took me two pages to write? =)

354 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 26, 2011 6:04:37am

re: #353 Summer

How come you said what I wanted to say in only 2 sentences when it took me two pages to write? =)

He wasn't handicapped by Women's Studies.

355 Summer Seale  Thu, May 26, 2011 6:05:40am

re: #354 Decatur Deb

He wasn't handicapped by Women's Studies.

LOL =D Omg... =)

I guess I did really kinda did get into a lengthy explanation huh? =) Well, I was trying to do it without pissing everyone off. =)

356 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 6:06:56am

re: #353 Summer

How come you said what I wanted to say in only 2 sentences when it took me two pages to write? =)

The same reason women want flowers, candles, dinner, they shave, do their hair, smell nice for an intimate night.
Guys just need to drop their pants and we're good.:)

357 Obdicut  Thu, May 26, 2011 6:07:32am

re: #353 Summer

I'm into that whole brevity thing.

358 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 26, 2011 6:08:16am

re: #355 Summer

LOL =D Omg... =)

I guess I did really kinda did get into a lengthy explanation huh? =) Well, I was trying to do it without pissing everyone off. =)

It was an abysmally ill-mannered thing to say, and called for the abject apology. But, as we always told the kids when they came crying to us with a sibling atrocity, "Show me blood".

359 Summer Seale  Thu, May 26, 2011 6:09:31am

re: #356 Cannadian Club Akbar

The same reason women want flowers, candles, dinner, they shave, do their hair, smell nice for an intimate night.
Guys just need to drop their pants and we're good.:)

Lol...so true. =) Ok, back to work for me. I hope people don't hate on me for what i wrote! =P

BTW, I totally love my brand new MacBook Pro 17"...It's gorgeous.

360 lawhawk  Thu, May 26, 2011 6:46:48am

re: #345 Cannadian Club Akbar

And this season is predicted to be quite active - although activity doesn't necessarily correlate with landfalls. Besides, all it takes is one major hurricane landfall to redistribute the collective possessions of an entire region quite effectively - everyone gets nothing, mother nature 1.

Having a Go-bag is also a good idea, just in case (heck, it's a good idea in pretty much all parts of the country, because while natural disasters take many forms, they can all have the ability to send you packing in a hurry - or require you to subsist on minimal outside assistance for a period of time).

361 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 26, 2011 6:53:54am

Pam Geller and Robert spencer are going to be sad today
Key Serbian War Crimes Suspect Reportedly In Custody

362 Ericus58  Thu, May 26, 2011 6:57:03am

re: #361 Killgore Trout

Pam Geller and Robert spencer are going to be sad today
Key Serbian War Crimes Suspect Reportedly In Custody

Thank you for bring that up, Killgore.
Yeah, defend that piece of turdness now, you howlers.

363 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 26, 2011 6:57:23am

re: #343 RadicalModerate

Looks like one of the key players who engaged in ethnic cleansing in the Bosnian war has finally been captured.

Ratko Mladic arrested: Bosnia war crimes suspect held

Now that is the best news I've heard today.

364 prairiefire  Thu, May 26, 2011 6:57:57am

I think a good name to call a gal who has multiple sex partners is "a grown up".

365 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 6:59:47am

re: #364 prairiefire

I think a good name to call a gal who has multiple sex partners is "a grown up".

OR, my ex's. :)

366 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 7:04:25am

re: #360 lawhawk

I basically have canned goods, water, radio, batteries, (including a wind-up radio Walter sent me) candles, etc. I wouldn't leave my house if a hurricane was coming. Structurally sound, no junk blowing around the yard. And with hurricanes, if you want to get out of town, you must do so a couple days ahead of time. Otherwise you get to ride it out on I-75 if you choose not to go to a local shelter.

367 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 26, 2011 7:05:10am

re: #364 prairiefire

I think a good name to call a gal who has multiple sex partners is "a grown up".

But here's to the maid who steals a kiss and stays to steal another.
But here's to the maid who steals a kiss and stays to steal another.
She's a boon to all mankind.
She's a boon to all mankind.
She's a boon to all mankind.
She soon shall be a mother.

368 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, May 26, 2011 7:09:32am

We just had a tornado drill in this building. Basically the shelters are the stairwells, the interior hallways and the restrooms.

369 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 26, 2011 7:10:23am

Three Jolly Coachmen

370 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 7:16:02am

re: #368 Alouette

We just had a tornado drill in this building. Basically the shelters are the stairwells, the interior hallways and the restrooms.

CHOOSE A RESTROOM!!!

371 _RememberTonyC  Thu, May 26, 2011 7:22:15am

I didn't watch the clip and I am jumping on the thread without having read it. So if this was already mentioned, so be it. But Laura Ingraham is a cancer survivor IIRC. And it always looks bad to pick on people who have been through so much.

372 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 26, 2011 7:25:39am

re: #369 Decatur Deb

Three Jolly Coachmen

[Video]

My wife learned this song from her father and has taught it to our son. ;)

373 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 7:26:16am

re: #371 _RememberTonyC

I mentioned it last night. I can't believe you couldn't scroll through 370 post to find it!
/

374 sattv4u2  Thu, May 26, 2011 7:32:38am

re: #373 Cannadian Club Akbar

I mentioned it last night. I can't believe you couldn't scroll through 370 post to find it!
/

You should know by now, nobody reads your posts!

375 Obdicut  Thu, May 26, 2011 7:34:08am
376 sattv4u2  Thu, May 26, 2011 7:34:58am

re: #366 Cannadian Club Akbar

I basically have canned goods, water, radio, batteries, (including a wind-up radio Walter sent me) candles, etc. I wouldn't leave my house if a hurricane was coming. Structurally sound, no junk blowing around the yard. And with hurricanes, if you want to get out of town, you must do so a couple days ahead of time. Otherwise you get to ride it out on I-75 if you choose not to go to a local shelter.

Like Ron White says

"It's not THAT the wind is blowing,, it's WHAT the wind is blowing. You want to be outside during a hurricane, thats all well and fine, but don't complain when a Volvo smashes into you"

377 allegro  Thu, May 26, 2011 7:36:02am

re: #371 _RememberTonyC

I didn't watch the clip and I am jumping on the thread without having read it. So if this was already mentioned, so be it. But Laura Ingraham is a cancer survivor IIRC. And it always looks bad to pick on people who have been through so much.

You are suggesting that one who has had cancer can no longer be criticized for valid reason?

Um... nope. Not buying into that one.

378 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 26, 2011 7:40:08am

re: #377 allegro

You are suggesting that one who has had cancer can no longer be criticized for valid reason?

Um... nope. Not buying into that one.

I didn't see that in TonyC's post, so I'm not buying your attempt to put words into his mouth.

My opinion: It's always bad form to criticize people using the sort of language Schultz used, whether the criticizee is cancer survivor or not.

379 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, May 26, 2011 7:40:13am

re: #377 allegro

You are suggesting that one who has had cancer can no longer be criticized for valid reason?

Um... nope. Not buying into that one.

It's the same as claiming that because somebody is a "Holocaust survivor," a "combat veteran," a "9/11 widow/orphan," a "Civil rights activist who marched with MLK," or who experienced any disaster or significant historical event, that person holds absolute credibility and can never, ever be wrong or challenged.

380 sattv4u2  Thu, May 26, 2011 7:40:48am

re: #377 allegro

You are suggesting that one who has had cancer can no longer be criticized for valid reason?

Um... nope. Not buying into that one.

Shultz's original critique was "valid"??

381 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 26, 2011 7:42:28am

re: #378 reine.de.tout

I didn't see that in TonyC's post, so I'm not buying your attempt to put words into his mouth.

My opinion: It's always bad form to criticize people using the sort of language Schultz used, whether the criticizee is cancer survivor or not.

re: #379 Alouette

It's the same as claiming that because somebody is a "Holocaust survivor," a "combat veteran," a "9/11 widow/orphan," a "Civil rights activist who marched with MLK," or who experienced any disaster or significant historical event, that person holds absolute credibility and can never, ever be wrong or challenged.

The issue isn't criticism, but now-fashionable public insult. Looks like it played out appropriately.

382 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 26, 2011 7:43:45am

re: #381 Decatur Deb

re: #379 Alouette

The issue isn't criticism, but now-fashionable public insult. Looks like it played out appropriately.

I don't disagree with this at all.

383 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 26, 2011 7:44:40am

Daytime stuff--BBL

384 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 26, 2011 7:46:59am

Bummer. It seems Walter may have shown up over at the stalker blog threatening to release a "Wikileaks of LGF" whatever that means. I do hope it's not true.

385 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 26, 2011 7:47:33am

re: #384 Killgore Trout

Bummer. It seems Walter may have shown up over at the stalker blog threatening to release a "Wikileaks of LGF" whatever that means. I do hope it's not true.

Oh, hell, no.

386 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 7:48:44am

re: #384 Killgore Trout

Bummer. It seems Walter may have shown up over at the stalker blog threatening to release a "Wikileaks of LGF" whatever that means. I do hope it's not true.

Using his name?

387 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, May 26, 2011 7:50:28am

re: #384 Killgore Trout

Bummer. It seems Walter may have shown up over at the stalker blog threatening to release a "Wikileaks of LGF" whatever that means. I do hope it's not true.

Are you sure that's the real Walter and not somebody spoofing his name?

388 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 7:51:42am

re: #387 Alouette

Are you sure that's the real Walter and not somebody spoofing his name?

I was gonna say, it's not like we hide stuff. Unless it is private email. But I'm thinking not. He will set us straight.

389 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 7:53:36am

And FWIW, I've been here a long time and still don't know who the stalker blog is. I've been on one other just to check it out. But I don't have time for this blog let alone another one. Ya know, being unemployed and all.
/

390 allegro  Thu, May 26, 2011 7:54:30am

re: #378 reine.de.tout

I didn't see that in TonyC's post, so I'm not buying your attempt to put words into his mouth.

My opinion: It's always bad form to criticize people using the sort of language Schultz used, whether the criticizee is cancer survivor or not.

I'm not attempting to put words into his mouth. That is the way his post read to me. He made no reference to the manner in which she was criticized, simply making what appeared to be a blanket statement about "picking on" a poor cancer survivor.

I do not, and have not, supported Shultz's verbage and think his apology and exile from his show for a week is appropriate.

391 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 26, 2011 7:54:40am

re: #384 Killgore Trout

Bummer. It seems Walter may have shown up over at the stalker blog threatening to release a "Wikileaks of LGF" whatever that means. I do hope it's not true.

Over a time-out? I'd rather hope that's a faker.

392 lawhawk  Thu, May 26, 2011 7:55:05am

We've got Fleet Week here in NYC for the Memorial Day weekend, and unfortunately, it turned tragic. A Marine attached with the USS Iwo Jima was struck and killed crossing the West Side Highway near the ship. The driver of the car involved was not ticketed and it appears to have been a tragic accident:

A 22-year-old Marine visiting Manhattan for the first time was struck and killed by a car while crossing 12th Avenue.

The Marine was hit just before 1:00 a.m. Thursday as he was getting out of a cab with his comrades at 12th Avenue and 49th Street.

The accident happened not far from Pier 88 where some of the ships taking part in Fleet Week are now moored. The Marine was returning to his ship, the USS Iwo Jima.

The young man was pronounced dead at the scene. Police officers and military personnel converged in the middle of the street to investigate the tragedy.

Police said the 39-year-old driver of a 2003 silver Acura realized he struck someone and stopped a block later. The driver called 911 and then walked back to the scene.

Investigators confirmed the Marine, who was in uniform, was crossing 12th Avenue when he was struck. At 49th Street, there is no crosswalk.

Damn.... just damn...

393 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, May 26, 2011 7:58:23am

Morning all!

How do you keep the pop-up "password keeper" from popping up on a Mac. I never want it to keep my passwords. Ever.

How are you-all this am?

394 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 26, 2011 7:59:04am

re: #385 reine.de.tout

Oh, hell, no.

I suppose it's possible but the stalkers have a habit of creating sockpuppets impersonating lizards so they might have just created some fake posts to cause trouble. I wouldn't venture a guess either way.

395 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 7:59:49am

re: #392 lawhawk

The following post has only a bit to do with your, LH, but there is a local skater here, who was in the last Olympics (mixed doubles, whatever) who was hit in NYC years ago while she was there for a competition. Broke her leg. Guess it didn't stop her career.

396 researchok  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:00:28am

re: #384 Killgore Trout

Bummer. It seems Walter may have shown up over at the stalker blog threatening to release a "Wikileaks of LGF" whatever that means. I do hope it's not true.

Why would he do that?

397 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:00:54am

re: #396 researchok

Why would he do that?

I'll just blame you.
///

398 researchok  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:01:31am

re: #397 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'll just blame you.
///

Sounds about right
/

399 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:02:48am

re: #398 researchok

Sounds about right
/

I have decided to just accept blame for stuff I never did. Just saves oxygen.

400 researchok  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:04:31am

re: #399 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have decided to just accept blame for stuff I never did. Just saves oxygen.

Don't I know it.

401 researchok  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:06:59am

This Barney Frank story is interesting.

I wonder if there will be any blow back.

Frank admits to helping lover land job at mortgage giant in ’91

402 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:07:15am

Whatever it is, I didn't do it. It's not my fault.

I was asleep and it's raining again.

403 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:07:58am

re: #401 researchok

This Barney Frank story is interesting.

I wonder if there will be any blow back.

Frank admits to helping lover land job at mortgage giant in ’91

Is Frank promiscuous?

404 researchok  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:08:01am

re: #402 ggt

Whatever it is, I didn't do it. It's not my fault.

I was asleep and it's raining again.

I heard the IRS has initiated an audit.
/

405 Obdicut  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:08:29am

re: #401 researchok

As long as this is the reality:

“(The executive) said, ‘Herb applied for a job,’ and I said, ‘Yeah, I think he’d be great. He’s an economist and he’s got an MBA,’ ” Frank said, recounting the conversation. “He was hired to an entry-level position.”

Then no, there's no actual ethical problem.

406 Obdicut  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:08:56am

re: #403 ggt

Is Frank promiscuous?

Who cares?

407 researchok  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:09:09am

re: #403 ggt

Is Frank promiscuous?

No idea.

But given his past, I can't believe he would do something like that.

408 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:09:11am

re: #385 reine.de.tout

Oh, hell, no.


Walter jumped ship??
Wow....see what happen when you miss a couple of weeks here!!!

409 researchok  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:09:33am

re: #405 Obdicut

As long as this is the reality:

Then no, there's no actual ethical problem.

Why?

410 Obdicut  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:09:54am

re: #409 researchok

Why?

Why would there be?

411 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:11:12am

re: #408 reloadingisnotahobby

Walter jumped ship??
Wow...see what happen when you miss a couple of weeks here!!!

We were hoping thinking that you might have done the same.
///

412 researchok  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:11:35am

re: #410 Obdicut

Why would there be?

Appearances.

Other applicants might believe they weren't given a fair shot. etc.

413 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:11:44am

re: #407 researchok

No idea.

But given his past, I can't believe he would do something like that.

WEll there is a difference between giving a reference and "courting favor". Giving a reference is fine. Sounds like what he did.

414 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:12:33am

re: #406 Obdicut

Who cares?

bad politics, but I have no delusions about WAshington

415 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:12:48am

re: #389 Cannadian Club Akbar

And FWIW, I've been here a long time and still don't know who the stalker blog is. I've been on one other just to check it out. But I don't have time for this blog let alone another one. Ya know, being unemployed and all.
/

Yea...Whatever ya beach bum!!LOL

416 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:13:02am

Walter's been especially cranky lately, IMHO.

Hope he is doing ok.

417 Obdicut  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:13:09am

re: #412 researchok

What was he supposed to do? He vouched for him. If that's the extent of the 'influence', it ain't much.

418 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:13:32am

re: #416 ggt

Walter's been especially cranky lately, IMHO.

Hope he is doing ok.

Lately? Have you met Walter?
/

419 researchok  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:13:36am

re: #414 ggt

bad politics, but I have no delusions about WAshington

No truer words.

420 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:13:52am

re: #411 Cannadian Club Akbar

I do my stalking in person...///
If your not in central Utah your safe..HA!

421 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:14:07am

re: #418 Cannadian Club Akbar

Lately? Have you met Walter?
/

more so lately, yes.

422 researchok  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:15:24am

re: #417 Obdicut

What was he supposed to do? He vouched for him. If that's the extent of the 'influence', it ain't much.

If that's the extent of it, the GOP are wasting their time.

That said, not q whole lot Franks does can be categorized as 'ain't much'.

423 researchok  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:15:54am

BBL

424 Obdicut  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:16:53am

re: #422 researchok

The story, as it stands, isn't anything at all. It even shows Frank in a good light.


Also, if this is true:


Frank wasn’t on the subcommittee that directly dealt with Fannie and Freddie Mac legislation but he once abstained from voting on a Republican amendment to limit executive compensation at the government-backed lenders.

“I said publicly that my companion worked there and I voted present. I didn’t think I should vote on it,” the congressman said.

425 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:17:09am

re: #422 researchok

If that's the extent of it, the GOP are wasting their time.

That said, not q whole lot Franks does can be categorized as 'ain't much'.

If one side does something you can bet someone from the other side will bitch about it.

426 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:17:35am

re: #425 Cannadian Club Akbar

If one side does something you can bet someone from the other side will bitch about it.

They seem to think that is what they are elected to do.

427 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:18:38am

re: #425 Cannadian Club Akbar

If one side does something you can bet someone from the other side will bitch about it.

We talking about Politics or Marriage??

428 lawhawk  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:19:16am

re: #384 Killgore Trout

Can't imagine what whoever claiming to be walter would have that could be leaked - transcripts of the Lizard Lounge? The rest of the blog is pretty much open. Deleted comments get deleted for good reason. Don't see this amounting to much.

Some folks have way too much time on their hands to obsess over what goes on here at LGF in the comments....

429 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:19:34am

re: #427 reloadingisnotahobby

We talking about Politics or Marriage??

Doncha just love real life?

430 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:22:12am

re: #428 lawhawk

Can't imagine what whoever claiming to be walter would have that could be leaked - transcripts of the Lizard Lounge? The rest of the blog is pretty much open. Deleted comments get deleted for good reason. Don't see this amounting to much.

Some folks have way too much time on their hands to obsess over what goes on here at LGF in the comments...

Maybe real names of Lizards?

431 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:22:34am

re: #427 reloadingisnotahobby

We talking about Politics or Marriage??

Yes.

432 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:23:40am

re: #430 Alouette

Maybe real names of Lizards?

He has mine and my address. He sent me a radio. But I'll read nothing into this.

433 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:26:11am

re: #430 Alouette

Maybe real names of Lizards?

That's a possibility. He's been very friendly with Albusteve and lizards have purchased jewelry from him. It would be a very stupid and amazingly dickish thing to do. That's why I suspect it may just be a stalker hoax, Walter could be difficult at times but I hope he isn't that low.

434 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:26:20am

I'm not worried about Walter being any more of a jerk than he usually is. I don't think he'd divulge sensitive info about specific Lizards. He's just not like that.
IMHO

435 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:27:34am

re: #432 Cannadian Club Akbar

He has mine and my address. He sent me a radio. But I'll read nothing into this.


Yes!

I have a high regard for Walter and will not tolerate unsubstantiated
gossip in any form!
...and I'll not comment further till I hear from the cranky old bastid
myself!!

436 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:28:51am

re: #434 ggt

I'm not worried about Walter being any more of a jerk than he usually is. I don't think he'd divulge sensitive info about specific Lizards. He's just not like that.
IMHO

People also might need to know that Walter doesn't use sarc tags and unless you have read him and his style (we all have our style) he may be misunderstood.

437 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:29:20am

Wisconsin update:
Dane County judge strikes down collective bargaining law

A Dane County judge has struck down Gov. Scott Walker's legislation repealing most collective bargaining for public employees.

In a 33-page decision issued Thursday, Dane County Circuit Judge Maryann Sumi said she would freeze the legislation because GOP lawmakers on a committee broke the state's open meetings law in passing it March 9.

The legislation limits collective bargaining to wages for all public employees in Wisconsin except for police and firefighters.

438 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:30:55am

re: #436 Cannadian Club Akbar

Exactly!!
Now go fuck yourself!!//
LOL
Oops...gotta go!
BBL

439 Interesting Times  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:33:36am
440 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:34:26am

re: #439 publicityStunted

Discuss.

I think that is hilarious.

441 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:34:38am

re: #439 publicityStunted

Discuss.

Dude is leaning like I do after 4 doubles.

442 allegro  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:35:27am

re: #439 publicityStunted

Discuss.

That is about as lecherous an expression as I've ever seen. The guy seems tp be positively drooling. LOL

443 sattv4u2  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:37:30am

re: #442 allegro

That is about as lecherous an expression as I've ever seen. The guy seems tp be positively drooling. LOL

Can't tell if he's more excited looking at Michelle, or that Barak is touching him!

444 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:41:31am

LATER ALL!

have a great day!

445 lawhawk  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:45:25am

re: #439 publicityStunted

Michelle thought bubble - once you go black, you never go back.

DSK thought bubble - Hot damn...

Barack thought bubble - once you go black, you never go back.

446 Semper Fi  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:45:57am

re: #443 sattv4u2

Can't tell if he's more excited looking at Michelle, or that Barak is touching him!

He's just near sighted and forgot his glasses.

447 lawhawk  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:47:41am

Supreme Court upholds Arizona law that punishes businesses hiring illegal aliens.

Arizona passed the Legal Arizona Workers Act in 2007, allowing the state to suspend the licenses of businesses that "intentionally or knowingly" violate work-eligibility verification requirements. Companies would be required under that law to use E-Verify, a federal database to check the documentation of current and prospective employees. That database had been created by Congress as a voluntary, discretionary resource.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce filed a lawsuit against the state, arguing federal law prohibits Arizona and other states from making E-Verify use mandatory. The group was supported by a variety of civil rights and immigration rights groups. The state countered that its broad licensing authority gives it the right to monitor businesses within its jurisdiction.

The Obama administration recommended a judicial review, and sided with businesses and civil rights groups.

A 1986 federal act significantly limited state power to separately regulate the hiring and employment of "unauthorized" workers. An exception was made for local "licensing and similar laws." Under the law, employees are required to review documentation to confirm someone's right to work in the United States, including checking the familiar I-9 immigration form. Civil and criminal penalties were strengthened, but businesses making a "good faith" effort to comply with I-9 procedures were generally immune from prosecution.

Roberts, backed by his four conservative colleagues, said "Arizona went the extra mile in ensuring that its law tracks (the federal law's) provisions in all material aspects."

In dissent, Justice Sonia Sotomayor noted E-Verify is a voluntary program, and said criticism that the federal government is not doing enough to enforce the law is irrelevant.

This is going to be the warmup to other more controversial laws that test the limits of federalism and the supremacy clause.

448 Obdicut  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:48:43am

This is goddamn awful:

[Link: www.time.com...]

(GENOA) — The latest sex-abuse case to rock the Catholic Church is unfolding in the archdiocese of an influential Italian Cardinal who has been working with Pope Benedict XVI on reforms to respond to prior scandals of pedophile priests.

Father Riccardo Seppia, a 51-year-old parish priest in the village of Sastri Ponente, near Genoa, was arrested last Friday, May 13, on pedophilia and drug charges. Investigators say that in tapped mobile-phone conversations, Seppia asked a Moroccan drug dealer to arrange sexual encounters with young and vulnerable boys. "I do not want 16-year-old boys but younger. Fourteen-year-olds are O.K. Look for needy boys who have family issues," he allegedly said.

Seppia's defense lawyers are expected to argue that those conversations — monitored since Oct. 20, 2010 — were just words, sex games that were played by adults. It was just a game even when he claimed to have "kissed on the mouth" a 15-year-old altar boy, according to the defense.

449 blueraven  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:49:38am

re: #439 publicityStunted

Discuss.

LOL! The president looks to be holding him back...down boy!

450 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:50:12am

Job application for Antarctica faxed. Do they have interwebz there?

451 sattv4u2  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:53:55am

re: #450 Cannadian Club Akbar

Job application for Antarctica faxed. Do they have interwebz there?

[Link: www.personneltoday.com...]

452 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:55:44am

re: #450 Cannadian Club Akbar

Job application for Antarctica faxed. Do they have interwebz there?

Damn. It seems they do have internet access...
[Link: www.personneltoday.com...]

453 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:56:54am

re: #451 sattv4u2

[Link: www.personneltoday.com...]

Any clue how it works? I can't imagine there are a lot of communication satellites over the antarctic.

454 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:57:06am

re: #451 sattv4u2

[Link: www.personneltoday.com...]

From the link:
“We are finding people are going to the common room to socialise less and spending more time on the internet.

Bet there is no porn in the common room. Just sayin'.

455 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:57:58am
456 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:58:57am

re: #450 Cannadian Club Akbar

Job application for Antarctica faxed. Do they have interwebz there?

I hope you get it! How exciting!

457 darthstar  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:58:58am

re: #450 Cannadian Club Akbar

Job application for Antarctica faxed. Do they have interwebz there?

They do. They also have beaches (usually found under several meters of ice). So it'll be just like Florida, only a little further south.

458 lawhawk  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:59:09am

Official totals from Joplin tornado - 232 still missing, 125 killed.

The deadliest single tornado in the United States in 64 years killed 125 and left more than 900 injured.

Three more bodies were recovered Wednesday evening.

This year has seen an unusually high number of tornadoes, with 1,168 as of May 22, compared to an average of about 671 by this time, according to Joshua Wurman, head of the Center for Severe Weather Research in Boulder, Colo.

The United States is on pace to break its record for deaths from tornadoes this season, the National Weather Service has said.

2011 in historical perspective. The totals reflect a new record for most tornadoes in any month, when 875 occurred in April 2011. That smashed the previous April and monthly records by a wide margin in both cases - 267 and 542, respectively. The bulk of those April 2011 tornadoes occurred in two super-outbreaks.

459 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 8:59:47am

re: #457 darthstar

They do. They also have beaches (usually found under several meters of ice). So it'll be just like Florida, only a little further south.

Hope they have nude beaches!!!
/

460 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:00:37am

re: #456 Stanley Sea

I hope you get it! How exciting!

Might as well go when there is no NFL season.:(

461 sattv4u2  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:01:47am

re: #453 Killgore Trout

Any clue how it works? I can't imagine there are a lot of communication satellites over the antarctic.

You can't hide from us!!!

[Link: www.google.com...]

462 sattv4u2  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:03:57am

re: #459 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hope they have nude beaches!!!
/

That they do

Just don't put your blanket down on a pile of penguin poop!!

(don't ask!)

463 Kragar  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:04:05am

Ratko Mladic arrested

Fugitive Bosnian Serb war crimes suspect Ratko Mladic has been arrested in Serbia after 16 years on the run.

Gen Mladic, 69, was found in a village in northern Serbia where had been living under an assumed name.

He faces charges over the massacre of at least 7,500 Bosnian Muslim men and boys at Srebrenica in 1995.

Serbian President Boris Tadic said the process to extradite the former Bosnian Serb army chief to the war crimes tribunal in The Hague was under way.

464 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:04:41am

re: #462 sattv4u2

That they do

Just don't put your blanket down on a pile of penguin poop!!

(don't ask!)

Dude, you were at the zoo!!

465 sattv4u2  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:05:11am

re: #453 Killgore Trout

re: #461 sattv4u2

You can't hide from us!!!

[Link: www.google.com...]

Oooppppsss

meant to cull this one out of all those

[Link: www.abc.net.au...]

466 sattv4u2  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:05:35am

re: #464 Cannadian Club Akbar

Dude, you were at the zoo!!

Oh ,, well then , that explains the cages !

467 Kragar  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:07:02am

Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

A Wisconsin judge on Thursday voided a controversial Republican-backed law restricting the collective bargaining rights of public sector unions.

Dane County Judge Maryann Sumi said Republican lawmakers violated the state's open meetings law in rushing the legislation through during massive protests at the state Capitol earlier this year.

The Wisconsin proposal, championed by Republican Governor Scott Walker, eliminates most collective bargaining rights for public sector unions and requires them to pay more for pensions and health coverage.

The law has been on hold pending the legal challenge.

Mike Tate, chairman of the state's Democratic Party which opposed the measure, hailed the ruling and said: "It should be looked at as an opportunity to work together to find common sense solutions to grow our economy and get our fiscal house in order, not to tear our state apart."

Sumi, who was appointed by former Republican Governor Tommy Thompson, ruled that the evidence was "clear and convincing" that Republicans failed to comply with the law in a hastily called meeting in March to push through legislation containing the collective bargaining changes.

468 Obdicut  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:07:39am

re: #467 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They can, of course, just pass it again, following the law this time. But will they want to?

469 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:11:23am

Antarctica people just called me. I need to fax some extra stuff. Holy crap, I'm cold already!!

470 Kragar  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:11:48am

re: #468 Obdicut

They can, of course, just pass it again, following the law this time. But will they want to?

I'm guessing they'll go after "damn activist judges legislating from the bench".

471 Obdicut  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:12:31am

re: #470 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah, that would get them the talking point they crave without actually having to take responsibility for having done anything. That's pretty much perfect for the revanchist GOP these days.

472 Obdicut  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:12:43am

re: #469 Cannadian Club Akbar

Antarctica people just called me. I need to fax some extra stuff. Holy crap, I'm cold already!!

Congrats and best of luck to you.

473 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:12:45am

brb

474 Kragar  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:14:55am

re: #469 Cannadian Club Akbar

Antarctica people just called me. I need to fax some extra stuff. Holy crap, I'm cold already!!

If a crazy Norwegian stumbles into camp with an assault rifle, just let him shoot the dog.

475 lawhawk  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:19:32am

re: #474 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

476 sattv4u2  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:21:32am

re: #469 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #472 Obdicut

Congrats and best of luck to you.

You just want to get rid of him!!

//

477 Obdicut  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:23:37am

re: #476 sattv4u2

Apparently he'll have all the interwebs he can handle there, too.

478 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:23:48am

re: #469 Cannadian Club Akbar

Antarctica people just called me. I need to fax some extra stuff. Holy crap, I'm cold already!!

You found a kitchen in Antarctica? That would be cool, way cool.

479 Shropshire_Slasher  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:23:53am

Going to Antartica for Jello wrastling is better than the naked beer slides

480 Kragar  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:24:31am

Sarah Palin likened to Joan of Arc in two-hour documentary film

It might just be Sarah Palin's last chance to re-establish herself as a viable presidency candidate ahead of the 2012 US elections in the wake of a disastrous PR run. A new film commissioned by Palin, the former governor of Alaska, will present her as a Joan of Arc-like figure beset at every turn by vicious leftwing enemies seeking to thwart her ambition of reviving the conservative legacy of Ronald Reagan.

The Undefeated has been shot by rightwing film-maker Steven K Bannon, who met the documentary's $1m costs from his own pocket. Palin initially reached out to the director with the aim of recruiting him to work on videos pushing her cause, but Bannon offered to make a feature-length film instead.

Rife with religious imagery, the movie will chart Palin's rise from Alaskan "soccer mom" to vice-presidential candidate. Drawing on content from Palin's book Going Rogue: An American Life, which has sold more than 2m copies, the film will seek to explain her decision to step down as governor of Alaska following her unsuccessful run alongside John McCain in 2008.

481 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:25:57am

re: #480 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sarah Palin likened to Joan of Arc in two-hour documentary film

Joan of Arc was a schizophrenic who heard voices in her head. And she was French.

482 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:26:43am

re: #481 Alouette

Joan of Arc was a schizophrenic who heard voices in her head. And she was French.

She was a convicted witch, and a Catholic.

483 allegro  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:27:05am

re: #480 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sarah Palin likened to Joan of Arc in two-hour documentary film

She's gonna get burned?

484 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:27:17am

re: #482 Decatur Deb

She was a convicted witch, and a Catholic.

That wasn't her real nose, you know.

485 sattv4u2  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:27:33am

re: #477 Obdicut

Apparently he'll have all the interwebs he can handle there, too.

Just thinking about it he's already cold

His fingers will be too numb to type!

486 allegro  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:28:09am

Wait... The Undefeated? What was that called in 2008?

487 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:28:10am

re: #483 allegro

She's gonna get burned?

I'm assembling a troop of Goddams as we speak.

488 Kragar  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:28:41am

re: #486 allegro

Wait... The Undefeated? What was that called in 2008?

That was McCain's fault.

489 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:28:48am

re: #484 EmmmieG

That wasn't her real nose, you know.

?

490 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:29:04am

re: #482 Decatur Deb

She was a convicted witch, and a Catholic.

Did she turn somebody into a newt?

491 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:29:33am

re: #490 Alouette

Did she turn somebody into a newt?

Bill Kristol.

492 SidewaysQuark  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:29:54am

Here's a subject right up the alley of this site that personally infuriates me:

Tom Coburn Continues Republican War on Science

Apparently, Republicans are now too stupid to see how research into insect locomotion and/or advanced robotics could possibly be useful. And part of the public will lap this right up....

493 Kragar  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:31:09am

re: #492 SidewaysQuark

Here's a subject right up the alley of this site that personally infuriates me:

Tom Coburn Continues Republican War on Science

Apparently, Republicans are now too stupid to see how research into insect locomotion and/or advanced robotics could possibly be useful. And part of the public will lap this right up...

A growing number of the GOP thinks if that if they're too stupid to understand something, it must not be worthwhile.

494 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:32:08am

re: #486 allegro

Wait... The Undefeated? What was that called in 2008?

I thought she was 'The Undecipherable'.

495 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:32:38am

re: #298 Obdicut

You do have to provide ID to register a car, open a bank account, and rent an apartment. I think you do to enroll a child in school.

Why do you think otherwise?

You need to prove residence to enroll a child, and you need a birth certificate, and shot records, and all manner of paperwork on the child.

496 allegro  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:32:49am

re: #494 Decatur Deb

I thought she was 'The Undecipherable'.

Heh. A better name for her movie would be "Word Salad."

497 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:33:37am

re: #303 ralphieboy

Don't overhyperbolize. America as a rule only nationalizes those things that the private sector cannot handle efficiently or fairly. When we start privatizing those aspects, it is a sign that we have gone too far with it.

"The shit that no one normal wants privatized if they think about it for ten seconds."

498 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:34:30am

re: #495 SanFranciscoZionist

You need to prove residence to enroll a child, and you need a birth certificate, and shot records, and all manner of paperwork on the child.

Recent utility bill, birth certificate. Shot records in grade school. At the high school they didn't ask.

499 blueraven  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:35:47am

re: #491 Decatur Deb

Bill Kristol.

Also, Rich "starbusts" Lowry

500 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:36:28am

re: #499 blueraven

Also, Rich "starbusts" Lowry

Bewitching, she is.

501 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:36:46am

re: #312 Obdicut

The solution to illegal immigration is never going to be rounding up people on the street and deporting them, nor will it be making it harder for them to go about things legally. It's always easy to get someone else to rent the apartment for you, register the car for you, etc. etc.

A solution to the 'problem' of illegal immigration has to be a policy one, not a law enforcement one.

Also, the harder it is to do basic things while you're here, the more vulnerable you are.

Contrary to popular belief, when you realize that you're not able to do things without subterfuge in America, you don't turn around and go back to the Oaxaca highlands, you pay even more of your miserable wages to some guy who's a citizen or an enforcer to get stuff done for you, thereby putting yourself and your kids at risk for all kinds of shit.

So that creates a law enforcement issue, not to mention a humanitarian one.

502 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:38:07am

Starting the grill--BBL

503 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:38:12am

re: #501 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, the harder it is to do basic things while you're here, the more vulnerable you are.

Contrary to popular belief, when you realize that you're not able to do things without subterfuge in America, you don't turn around and go back to the Oaxaca highlands, you pay even more of your miserable wages to some guy who's a citizen or an enforcer to get stuff done for you, thereby putting yourself and your kids at risk for all kinds of shit.

So that creates a law enforcement issue, not to mention a humanitarian one.

Right, but when a state tries to create a guest worker program for humanitarian reasons, they are dead wrong.

504 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:38:27am

re: #503 EmmmieG

That was sarcasm on my part.

505 simoom  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:38:39am

A kind of cute clip from some live coverage of the President in Dublin:

*Takes phone* "Am I speaking to Caitlin's Mom? Hi, this is the President of the United States."

506 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:38:55am

re: #322 ralphieboy

I remember Rush blaming it all on "environmental whackos" who opposed construction of new power plants.

Sure, that's the standard. Deregulation only works if you go ALL the way, and if you can't, it's the libs fault.

Somehow.

People are still trying to insist that Enron was a. a fluke, and b. only happened because the liberals wouldn't let everything be set up properly.

Enron was just human nature. Not a very nice part of human nature, but very predictable.

507 sattv4u2  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:39:44am

re: #498 EmmmieG

Recent utility bill, birth certificate. Shot records in grade school. At the high school they didn't ask.


Same school district/ state?

Because when my son went from grammar to middle school, no documentation was needed

BUT,, when he went from middle (public) to High School (private) we had to show the same things from when he went into 1st grade

508 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:41:03am

re: #334 000G

As I understand it, the government providing services to the benefit of the general public is welfare.

There's a very sharp distinction between 'providing for the general welfare', and the common usage of 'welfare'.

509 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:42:20am

Done, again. Sheesh.

510 sattv4u2  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:43:17am

re: #509 Cannadian Club Akbar

Done, again. Sheesh.

did you remember to flush this time/

511 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:43:27am

re: #507 sattv4u2

Same school district/ state?

Because when my son went from grammar to middle school, no documentation was needed

BUT,, when he went from middle (public) to High School (private) we had to show the same things from when he went into 1st grade

I had registered them for grade school, then homeschooled, but we put them back in at high school.

Because of the nature of things, I had to prove we live in the school boundaries.

512 sattv4u2  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:43:50am

re: #511 EmmmieG

I had registered them for grade school, then homeschooled, but we put them back in at high school.

Because of the nature of things, I had to prove we live in the school boundaries.

Understandable

513 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:45:01am

re: #361 Killgore Trout

Pam Geller and Robert spencer are going to be sad today
Key Serbian War Crimes Suspect Reportedly In Custody

Well, I'm dancing a jig for both of them.

The wingnut delusion about the Balkans is one of the things I find least appealing about them. And that is a long, long, list.

514 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:46:38am

re: #364 prairiefire

I think a good name to call a gal who has multiple sex partners is "a grown up".

Part of the trouble is that we actually regressed on this point, I think. The concept of dating several suitors at once used to be absolutely normative. Now middle-schoolers have exclusive hand-holding relationships for two weeks and must formally break up (sometimes by proxy) before holding hands with another.

515 abolitionist  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:47:20am

Model dethroned for refusing to have sex

|HARARE – Miss Tourism Zimbabwe’s Miss Personality, Lungile Mathe (Pictured), has been dethroned and denied her prizes after allegedly turning down the sexual advances of senior politicians and government officials aligned to Zanu (PF).

Related: Search on for Zimbabwe’s ugliest man

Hard to believe they're promoting tourism.

516 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:48:29am

re: #515 abolitionist

They know how to PARTY!!!

517 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:48:50am

This should also be a page:

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

Dry weather may jeopardize farmers’ plans to boost global production and replenish stockpiles that have been drained after the worst drought in at least half a century in Russia and excessive rains in Canada and Australia slashed harvests of food-quality wheat. The International Grains Council lowered last month its outlook on global wheat production in the 2011-2012 season by 1 million tons to 672 million metric tons, matching global demand, because of “less than ideal conditions for some crops” in the U.S., the European Union and China. Further losses to the crop may cause production to lag behind demand for a second straight year, draining inventories. Dry weather threatens to curb output in growing regions in China after similar conditions caused the winter-wheat crop in the U.S., the largest shipper, to deteriorate, while England had the hottest April in at least 352 years.

518 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:50:58am

re: #469 Cannadian Club Akbar

Antarctica people just called me. I need to fax some extra stuff. Holy crap, I'm cold already!!

And it's summer down there right now...

519 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:52:42am

re: #379 Alouette

It's the same as claiming that because somebody is a "Holocaust survivor," a "combat veteran," a "9/11 widow/orphan," a "Civil rights activist who marched with MLK," or who experienced any disaster or significant historical event, that person holds absolute credibility and can never, ever be wrong or challenged.

How about 'of Israeli descent'?

///

520 abolitionist  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:53:03am

re: #518 oaktree

And it's summer down there right now...

No.

521 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:53:24am

re: #384 Killgore Trout

Bummer. It seems Walter may have shown up over at the stalker blog threatening to release a "Wikileaks of LGF" whatever that means. I do hope it's not true.

Ah, they have people wandering in there all the time claiming to be all sorts of people.

522 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:53:39am

re: #518 oaktree

And it's summer down there right now...

I applied for summer shift, between August/September and February.

523 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:53:43am

re: #505 simoom

A kind of cute clip from some live coverage of the President in Dublin:

[Video]
*Takes phone* "Am I speaking to Caitlin's Mom? Hi, this is the President of the United States."

The President in _The Fifth Element_ did not have that good of a conversation when he got on the phone with Bruce Willis' Mom...

;)

524 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:54:24am

re: #403 ggt

Is Frank promiscuous?

If Frank were promiscuous, would it be OK to call him a slut?

//

525 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:54:59am

re: #522 Cannadian Club Akbar

I applied for summer shift, between August/September and February.

My error, it's really winter there right now. Stupid hemispheres and wobbly planet! I blame Mother Nature!
/

526 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:55:05am

re: #505 simoom

A kind of cute clip from some live coverage of the President in Dublin:

[Video]*Takes phone* "Am I speaking to Caitlin's Mom? Hi, this is the President of the United States."

That's a sad and wonderful thing. Would he be afraid to take the phone in Dallas?

527 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:55:07am

re: #524 SanFranciscoZionist

If Frank were promiscuous, would it be OK to call him a slut?

//

Frank the Slut. Not a good mob name but a good band one.

528 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:58:07am

re: #434 ggt

I'm not worried about Walter being any more of a jerk than he usually is. I don't think he'd divulge sensitive info about specific Lizards. He's just not like that.
IMHO

Agreed. The stalkers are shit-disturbers, and they love to be divisive and try to suggest that they have seeeekrit documents that will lead to Charles' downfall. Not to be taken seriously by adult.

529 Simply Sarah  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:58:48am

re: #525 oaktree

My error, it's really winter there right now. Stupid hemispheres and wobbly planet! I blame Mother Nature!
/

Well, actually, it's technically still autumn there. >.>

530 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 26, 2011 9:59:55am

re: #439 publicityStunted

Discuss.

The delighted expression on his face could be written off merely as an attempt at charm. It's the restraining angle of Obama's hand that makes the photo.

531 efuseakay  Thu, May 26, 2011 10:01:41am

re: #343 RadicalModerate

Looks like one of the key players who engaged in ethnic cleansing in the Bosnian war has finally been captured.

Ratko Mladic arrested: Bosnia war crimes suspect held

Of course, the Freepers, in all of their infinite ignorance, are defending the monster.

532 lawhawk  Thu, May 26, 2011 10:02:44am

Khadafi sends list of proposals for a ceasefire to Europeans.

Bet none of them include Khadafi getting busted back to private (life).

533 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 26, 2011 10:03:15am

re: #463 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ratko Mladic arrested

Killer.

534 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 26, 2011 10:05:00am

re: #481 Alouette

Joan of Arc was a schizophrenic who heard voices in her head. And she was French.

Also quite a good military leader. So far I'm not seeing the resemblance.

I am, however, seeing Sarah in armor, riding a snowmobile, and leading the Alaskan National Guard under a North Star banner. It would make a nice painting.

535 Interesting Times  Thu, May 26, 2011 10:05:16am

re: #533 SanFranciscoZionist

Killer.

Rape-camp runner. I will refrain from graphic descriptions of the poetic-justice punishment I wish he would face.

536 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 10:05:28am

re: #532 lawhawk

Khadafi sends list of proposals for a ceasefire to Europeans.

Bet none of them include Khadafi getting busted back to private (life).

CCA list for Daffy:
Leave.
Live in exile somewhere.
Or don't. And wait for a knock at the door.

537 lawhawk  Thu, May 26, 2011 10:06:47am

re: #445 lawhawk

Extending and revising original comments:

Michelle: Once you go Barack, you don't go back.

DSK: Mon dieu!

Barack: Heh. Once you go Barack, you don't go back.

539 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 26, 2011 10:08:04am

DCCC Chair Steve Israel: Medicare Has Put House Back In Play
I think it's a bit of wishful thinking but it would be a pretty historic rebuke if Republicans were to lose the house.

540 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 26, 2011 10:08:52am

re: #531 efuseakay

Of course, the Freepers, in all of their infinite ignorance, are defending the monster.

I wish I could come up with a better reason for this sort of fucked-up behavior than 'they hate Muslims that much', but I can't.

541 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 10:09:03am
542 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 26, 2011 10:11:08am

re: #538 abolitionist

Brooklyn Man Still In Jail 5 Years After Charges Dismissed

Video - Investigation: Charged dismissed, but still in jail

This puts my complaints about my financial aid office into perspective.

543 blueraven  Thu, May 26, 2011 10:12:03am

re: #534 SanFranciscoZionist

Also quite a good military leader. So far I'm not seeing the resemblance.

I am, however, seeing Sarah in armor, riding a snowmobile, and leading the Alaskan National Guard under a North Star banner. It would make a nice painting.

As Putin's head rears in the background.

544 abolitionist  Thu, May 26, 2011 10:14:31am

re: #542 SanFranciscoZionist

This puts my complaints about my financial aid office into perspective.

Yeah, and I broke up a fight at the front entrance of my high school once.

545 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, May 26, 2011 10:15:18am

NYPD officers found innocent of rape charges.
[Link: www.theolympian.com...]

546 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 26, 2011 10:16:01am

re: #543 blueraven

As Putin's head rears in the background.

Anyone here seen the Simpson's episode where the kids are hearing bedtime stories, and they have a sequence with Lisa as Joan? She has a little helmet with pointy bumps like her hair. It's awesome.

547 efuseakay  Thu, May 26, 2011 10:26:21am

re: #540 SanFranciscoZionist

I wish I could come up with a better reason for this sort of fucked-up behavior than 'they hate Muslims that much', but I can't.

I forgot "racist/bigoted" in my comment.

548 William of Orange  Thu, May 26, 2011 10:28:23am

Big deal. He called her a slut, he went over the line and he knows it. He apologized for it but come on. There are worse things you can do and say on the radio and tv. Calling her that, is that a reason to take him of the air??

After the apology, which was sincere, it has to be over concerning this incident. Move on and get over it.

And besides that, I think Laura has been called worse things than slut...

549 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, May 26, 2011 10:31:29am

re: #543 blueraven

As Putin's head rears in the background.

And the ice weasels lurk in the underbrush awaiting the overturning of the snowmobile.

550 William of Orange  Thu, May 26, 2011 10:36:26am

As classy the apology of Schultz was, the response of Laura Ingraham certainly wasn't....

Ingraham did respond on Facebook and Twitter, where she wrote, "MSNBC suspends Schultz. Oh great, now his ratings will go up.

She'll never learn....

551 RadicalModerate  Thu, May 26, 2011 10:38:56am

re: #531 efuseakay

Of course, the Freepers, in all of their infinite ignorance, are defending the monster.

I went over there thinking (hoping?) that you were kidding - there's no way they would support a war criminal who proudly boasted of his ethnic cleansing efforts.

Not only are these guys supporting Ratko becuause he killed Muslims, but are claiming that NATO was the true war criminals in the Balkan war.

Oh, "goodie-gum-drops", now Serbia gets to join the EU!

There was NO genocide in Bosnia! But the EU, and the entire New World Order, wants to totally wipe out the Serbian people, via destruction of Serbian culture (e.g., loss of Kosovo, neutralizing the Serbian Orthodox Church, "gay rights" and feminism, etc.), destruction of Serbia's economic base, the white plague, and massive muslim immigration. That IS genocide!!!!

Serbia stay OUT of the EU, and ally with Russia!!!! Free Ratko and Radovan, liberate Kosovo, Srpska, and Montenegro!!!!

Serbia is America's true ally, NOT euro-muslims or any other muslims. Let's act accordingly!!!!
9 posted on Thu 26 May 2011 10:17:34 AM CDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)

Mladic ... is wanted by the United Nations war crimes tribunal for the former Yugoslavia for genocide ...

I know, I know, he's probably an evil butcher deserving of death. But I can't help feeling bad for anyone arrested on the orders of our globalist masters.
2 posted on Thu 26 May 2011 06:07:59 AM CDT by Pan_Yan

The man killed muslims that slaughtered and beheaded Christians... and anyone else that entertained them by doing so.

LLS
That is exactly what I am talkng about... mccain and clinton are the war criminals here... we killed Christians that were being invaded and murdered by muslims... and that will happen in America because we will never stand up to islam as long as the retchid criminals run dc.

LLS

21 posted on Thu 26 May 2011 07:30:53 AM CDT by LibLieSlayer ("If you lie hard enough and sell your soul... you can scam your way to the top" barack obama)

Absolutely disgusting.

552 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 26, 2011 10:52:41am

re: #430 Alouette

Maybe real names of Lizards?

If that's it, then I'm save.

Many many folks already know mine.

553 abolitionist  Thu, May 26, 2011 11:09:00am

Followup:

Man freed after Eyewitness News Investigation
- Thursday, May 26, 2011
Brooklyn man Oswind David sprung from prison after 4-1/2 years due to trial snafu - Wednesday, May 25th 2011, 4:00 AM

"That is the horrifying situation that we're in - nobody found it out," said David's lawyer Rita Dave. "[It was] a breakdown literally at every level."

Prosecutors discovered the mistake last month, but the Brooklyn district attorney's office insists David should stay behind bars, arguing that the jury would have convicted him of a lesser charge of second-degree assault.

Dave called that contention "mind-boggling," and an appellate judge agreed, ordering David's release from Sing Sing on $75,000 bail while his case is appealed.

It's not over yet, apparently.

554 _RememberTonyC  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:00:34pm

re: #378 reine.de.tout

I didn't see that in TonyC's post, so I'm not buying your attempt to put words into his mouth.

My opinion: It's always bad form to criticize people using the sort of language Schultz used, whether the criticizee is cancer survivor or not.

You're right Reine ..... thanks. I chose my words carefully saying "it's bad form," not "it's unacceptable." Some people just project their own bias onto others when there was no bias intended. Thanks for the backup :)

555 _RememberTonyC  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:01:22pm

re: #390 allegro

I'm not attempting to put words into his mouth. That is the way his post read to me. He made no reference to the manner in which she was criticized, simply making what appeared to be a blanket statement about "picking on" a poor cancer survivor.

I do not, and have not, supported Shultz's verbage and think his apology and exile from his show for a week is appropriate.

see #554

556 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:26:13pm

re: #339 Obdicut

I'm sorry, but I think that 'earnest detail' is kind of a loopy phrase to use. What do you mean by it?

I mean: In a way so as to not provide wide open loopholes with which to continually move the goalpost or some other tactic by which to preserve one's own sense of smugness without actually contributing to the debate.

Oh. No. It's not. Welfare specifically means providing direct income, or slightly indirect-- like food stamps-- to citizens. Not services in general.

You must use another dictionary than the one I use, then:

a: aid in the form of money or necessities for those in need
b : an agency or program through which such aid is distributed

So yeah, services in general – if those services are neccessary. Like the post service, for instance.

Yeah, using examples from five hundred years ago isn't very relevant. But at least you didn't say 'dandy'.

It's actually very relevant if you want to understand the key issues at play instead of repeating tired cold war stereotypes about private versus public, but whatever you say, dandy.

557 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:27:51pm

re: #508 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a very sharp distinction between 'providing for the general welfare', and the common usage of 'welfare'.

… and?

558 Obdicut  Thu, May 26, 2011 12:31:11pm

re: #556 000G

I mean: In a way so as to not provide wide open loopholes with which to continually move the goalpost or some other tactic by which to preserve one's own sense of smugness without actually contributing to the debate.

Since you apparently don't think I'm arguing in good faith, why should I bother continuing to talk to you?

So yeah, services in general – if those services are neccessary. Like the post service, for instance.

Nope. You're reading that incredibly badly. A post office is not 'aid'.

559 Flavia  Thu, May 26, 2011 1:41:38pm

She did accept his apology:

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

"She addressed the issue again on her radio show even though "she didn't really want to discuss it." ...."Stuff is always said about me," she said. "…I thought so little about it, I didn't even mention it yesterday."

Ingraham called the comment "crude," but said Schultz's remorse seemed genuine.

"It seemed heartfelt, it seemed like he really wished he hadn't said it, and I accept the apology," she added."

560 Obdicut  Thu, May 26, 2011 1:55:59pm

re: #559 Flavia

That's pretty classy of her, as well.

561 wrenchwench  Thu, May 26, 2011 2:39:21pm

re: #350 Summer

I really enjoyed reading that.


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