Yes, it’s beginning to look like the icon of modern conservatism (intellectually incurious, anti-science, fanatically religious, and terminally xenophobic) is going to run for President after all. Damn the polls — full speed ahead!
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eastsider Thu, May 26, 2011 10:15:28am |
She's not serious about this. She just wants to make more money.
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Interesting Times Thu, May 26, 2011 10:16:09am |
re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Well, she is the new Joan of Arc...
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Kragar Thu, May 26, 2011 10:16:20am |
re: #2 eastsider
She's not serious about this. She just wants to make more money.
Want to know if I plan to run? Watch my movie to find out!
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Killgore Trout Thu, May 26, 2011 10:16:23am |
I still kind of doubt it. Unless she can find a way to monetize a failed presidential bid I don't think she wants to put the effort into a serious campaign.
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jamesfirecat Thu, May 26, 2011 10:16:33am |
Given that Donald Trump and Michael Bachman have both bowed out, Sarah could have a lock on the hard right (off a cliff) vote....
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eastsider Thu, May 26, 2011 10:16:48am |
I wish there was some kind of way to challenge her to a bet like: "if you lose, you go away from fame-seeking, and never come back." On my end, if she wins (in addition to having to endure a Palin presidency), I would then watch whatever asinine reality shows she and her family participated in for the rest of time. Every episode. Live. With popcorn.
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eastsider Thu, May 26, 2011 10:17:13am |
re: #5 Killgore Trout
I still kind of doubt it. Unless she can find a way to monetize a failed presidential bid I don't think she wants to put the effort into a serious campaign.
She's done pretty well monetizing a failed vice presidential bid.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 26, 2011 10:18:35am |
re: #5 Killgore Trout
I still kind of doubt it. Unless she can find a way to monetize a failed presidential bid I don't think she wants to put the effort into a serious campaign.
A question: Is there a rule that Presidential candidates cannot charge for campaign speaking events?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, May 26, 2011 10:18:52am |
I would like to run just to put it on my resume, but IIRC, it cost 25K to file.
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Bulworth Thu, May 26, 2011 10:18:55am |
I was very distressed to read the suggestion (I forget where) that she may only be planning a run for U.S. Senator from Arizona. Things just wouldn't be as crazy without Palin in the presidential race.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 26, 2011 10:20:30am |
re: #10 Cannadian Club Akbar
I would like to run just to put it on my resume, but IIRC, it cost 25K to file.
Back when we got Ahnold as Governator, we had dozens of people sign up to run for Gov. of California. It only cost a few hundred to file, IIRC. I would have done it myself if I had had any spare cash at the time.
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Simply Sarah Thu, May 26, 2011 10:21:11am |
re: #11 Bulworth
I was very distressed to read the suggestion (I forget where) that she may only be planning a run for U.S. Senator from Arizona. Things just wouldn't be as crazy without Palin in the presidential race.
And hell, she might even have a chance of winning that one.
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allegro Thu, May 26, 2011 10:23:30am |
The SNL treatment of her Joan of Arc schtick will be a thing of great hilarity. It writes itself.
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EastSider Thu, May 26, 2011 10:23:55am |
Thought experiment:
Can anyone name even a single Presidential quality (e.g., intelligence, poise, experience, leadership) in which Palin holds an advantage over Obama?
And, if you can't, what possible category will her political campaign and the R's use to say that she holds an advantage over Obama?
Now that we've established that he is, in fact, and America, and he's not soft on terror, what angle are they going to take?
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makeitstop Thu, May 26, 2011 10:24:03am |
re: #6 jamesfirecat
Given that Donald Trump and Michael Bachman have both bowed out, Sarah could have a lock on the hard right (off a cliff) vote...
Wait. Bachman is out? When did that happen?
Did she ever formally declare in the first place?
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Bulworth Thu, May 26, 2011 10:24:44am |
Wait. Bachman is out? When did that happen?
I wondering about that, too. I haven't heard anything to that effect.
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Surabaya Stew Thu, May 26, 2011 10:25:04am |
She has better hair.
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re: #16 EastSider
Can anyone name even a single Presidential quality (e.g., intelligence, poise, experience, leadership) in which Palin holds an advantage over Obama?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, May 26, 2011 10:25:19am |
re: #13 SanFranciscoZionist
Back when we got Ahnold as Governator, we had dozens of people sign up to run for Gov. of California. It only cost a few hundred to file, IIRC. I would have done it myself if I had had any spare cash at the time.
I'm finding state by state cost, but not an overall cost.
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, May 26, 2011 10:25:40am |
Big deal!!
I have bigger problems!!
My wife said if I don't pull the toilet and rebuild the
bathroom floor...I can't take the boat to the lake monday!!!
...Legally, I think that's BLACKMAIL!!
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Simply Sarah Thu, May 26, 2011 10:25:42am |
re: #19 Surabaya Stew
She has better hair.
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Probably looks better in a dress, too, but that's just speculation.
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Bulworth Thu, May 26, 2011 10:25:46am |
re: #16 EastSider
Thought experiment:
Can anyone name even a single Presidential quality (e.g., intelligence, poise, experience, leadership) in which Palin holds an advantage over Obama?
And, if you can't, what possible category will her political campaign and the R's use to say that she holds an advantage over Obama?
Now that we've established that he is, in fact, and America, and he's not soft on terror, what angle are they going to take?
She isn't soshulist and believes in American Exceptionalism and will say the words "American Exceptionalism" on command.
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makeitstop Thu, May 26, 2011 10:25:50am |
re: #18 Bulworth
I wondering about that, too. I haven't heard anything to that effect.
I saw that her money bomb, well, bombed. But nothing saying that she wasn't running.
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jamesfirecat Thu, May 26, 2011 10:25:51am |
re: #16 EastSider
Thought experiment:
Can anyone name even a single Presidential quality (e.g., intelligence, poise, experience, leadership) in which Palin holds an advantage over Obama?
And, if you can't, what possible category will her political campaign and the R's use to say that she holds an advantage over Obama?
Now that we've established that he is, in fact, and America, and he's not soft on terror, what angle are they going to take?
You say that like she needs to campaign on things that are true. It isn't about if Obama is being soft on terror or not, it's about if she can make people THINK that Obama is being soft on terror or not!
(God I wish I was being sarcastic)
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allegro Thu, May 26, 2011 10:26:37am |
re: #16 EastSider
Thought experiment:
Can anyone name even a single Presidential quality (e.g., intelligence, poise, experience, leadership) in which Palin holds an advantage over Obama?
And, if you can't, what possible category will her political campaign and the R's use to say that she holds an advantage over Obama?
Now that we've established that he is, in fact, and America, and he's not soft on terror, what angle are they going to take?
That's assuming that intelligence, poise, experience and leadership are important to the wingnut base. I think the answer to that is... not so much.
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Bulworth Thu, May 26, 2011 10:28:08am |
re: #24 makeitstop
I saw that her money bomb, well, bombed. But nothing saying that she wasn't running.
I wonder what people we're supposed to be contributing to? Does she have a campaign pac or an exploratory committee?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, May 26, 2011 10:28:19am |
re: #24 makeitstop
I saw that her money bomb, well, bombed. But nothing saying that she wasn't running.
She's still in.
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makeitstop Thu, May 26, 2011 10:28:20am |
re: #26 allegro
That's assuming that intelligence, poise, experience and leadership are important to the wingnut base. I think the answer to that is... not so much.
Not when she can run on contempt, envy, revenge and barely-disguised bigotry.
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blueraven Thu, May 26, 2011 10:28:21am |
re: #9 SanFranciscoZionist
A question: Is there a rule that Presidential candidates cannot charge for campaign speaking events?
Maybe she is just concerned that if she is not "out there", she may get lost in the public eye during the primary season, therefore reducing her speaking demand ($).
If the rumor is true that Roger Ailes thinks she is stupid, maybe he is getting ready to can her, taking away her high profile appearance on Fox.
A girls got to think ahead you know.
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wrenchwench Thu, May 26, 2011 10:29:59am |
re: #16 EastSider
Thought experiment:
Can anyone name even a single Presidential quality (e.g., intelligence, poise, experience, leadership) in which Palin holds an advantage over Obama?
And, if you can't, what possible category will her political campaign and the R's use to say that she holds an advantage over Obama?
Now that we've established that he is, in fact, and America, and he's not soft on terror, what angle are they going to take?
Tea Party agenda. She is merely a vessel.
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darthstar Thu, May 26, 2011 10:30:13am |
Nah...she's going for Kyl's Senate seat(hence the big house in Scottsdale, AZ)...she needs to quit that in 2014 so she can focus on quitting the presidency in 2018.
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, May 26, 2011 10:30:39am |
It does seem (lately) that the life span of a Presidential bid has been
equal to that of the average...ah...house fly!
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Bulworth Thu, May 26, 2011 10:31:50am |
re: #32 darthstar
Nah...she's going for Kyl's Senate seat(hence the big house in Scottsdale, AZ)...she needs to quit that in 2014 so she can focus on quitting the presidency in 2018.
I take it Kyle is a confirmed retirement?
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Simply Sarah Thu, May 26, 2011 10:32:03am |
re: #32 darthstar
Nah...she's going for Kyl's Senate seat(hence the big house in Scottsdale, AZ)...she needs to quit that in 2014 so she can focus on quitting the presidency in 2018.
Maybe if she wins his seat, she can resign from it some time in late December. Sort of like dropping a New Years resolution at that time: Quit before you start.
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thecommodore Thu, May 26, 2011 10:32:21am |
re: #8 eastsider
She's done pretty well monetizing a failed vice presidential bid.
I'm starting to think she might follow the Pat Buchanan route - running for President as a method of self promotion. Buchanan ran three times (92, 96, 00), and increased his personal financial worth tremendously.
[Link: www.thenation.com...]
Gov. Blood Libel could increase the killing she's already made by doing the same thing. On the other hand, she is delusional enough to think she can win, so who knows?
All I know is that I may just campaign for her, because if she wins the nomination, it could be the worst GOP defeat since Goldwater went down in flames in 1964.
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Simply Sarah Thu, May 26, 2011 10:33:42am |
re: #37 thecommodore
I dunno about that last part. Things are so polarized right now that several states might vote for her simply because she'd be someone that wasn't Obama.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 26, 2011 10:34:51am |
Well maybe but I'm far from convinced. Maybe she (or the family) is tired of snow a and Alaska isolation, and wants to stay on the speakers tour through 2012. Being in the lower 48 is a big logistical advantage for either speaking or running.
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sproingie Thu, May 26, 2011 10:35:05am |
Rumor has it Trump may throw his hat back in the ring. And now Mooseferatu herself?
There is a God after all, and he loves me.
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engineer cat Thu, May 26, 2011 10:36:47am |
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allegro Thu, May 26, 2011 10:36:48am |
She'll never make it through the primaries without making a deal breaking gaff and then compound it with another. She wouldn't be able to be protected from the gotcha lamestream media and those hard-hitting interviews like that one with Katie Couric.
It would be pretty funny to watch though.
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Renaissance_Man Thu, May 26, 2011 10:37:57am |
re: #16 EastSider
Thought experiment:
Can anyone name even a single Presidential quality (e.g., intelligence, poise, experience, leadership) in which Palin holds an advantage over Obama?
Media support.
And, if you can't, what possible category will her political campaign and the R's use to say that she holds an advantage over Obama?
Now that we've established that he is, in fact, and America, and he's not soft on terror, what angle are they going to take?
They'll continue to take those two angles, and all of the others you've heard. Socialism, tyranny, liberals coming to take your guns and bibles, forced gay marriage, death panels, one world government, soft on terror, Muslim friendly, secret Communist, and so on. They will use those angles because they work.
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thecommodore Thu, May 26, 2011 10:38:02am |
re: #38 Simply Sarah
I dunno about that last part. Things are so polarized right now that several states might vote for her simply because she'd be someone that wasn't Obama.
A lot of right leaning independents, and even self indentified conservatives jumped ship in 2008 and supported Obama merely because of the presence of Palin on the ticket. If she wins the nomination, all of them will. Even among the staunchest of conservatives, there is at least the private feeling that she is completely unelectable. The only people who would vote for her are the Conservatives4Palin cultist types.
That's why I think it's unlikely she will win the GOP nomination. Romney in particular will savage her, I think. Pawlenty may as well, especially if she polls well going into the primaries.
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EastSider Thu, May 26, 2011 10:38:26am |
I'm really hoping for a repeat of a Giuliani 2008 performance. Lose so big and so hard that you are never heard from again.
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simoom Thu, May 26, 2011 10:39:22am |
How Roger Ailes starts his day:
[Link: www.rollingstone.com...]
Ailes begins each workday buffered by the elaborate private security detail that News Corp. pays to usher him from his $1.6 million home in New Jersey to his office in Manhattan. (His country home – in the aptly named village of Garrison – is phalanxed by empty homes that Ailes bought up to create a wider security perimeter.) Traveling with the Chairman is like a scene straight out of 24. A friend recalls hitching a ride with Ailes after a power lunch: “We come out of the building and there’s an SUV filled with big guys, who jump out of the car when they see him. A cordon is formed around us. We’re ushered into the SUV, and we drive the few blocks to Fox’s offices, where another set of guys come out of the building to receive ‘the package.’ The package is taken in, and I’m taken on to my destination.”Ailes is certain that he’s a top target of Al Qaeda terrorists. “You know, they’re coming to get me,” he tells friends. “I’m fully prepared. I’ve taken care of it.” (Ailes, who was once arrested for carrying an illegal handgun in Central Park, now carries a licensed weapon.) Inside his blast-resistant office at Fox News headquarters, Ailes keeps a monitor on his desk that allows him to view any activity outside his closed door. Once, after observing a dark-skinned man in what Ailes perceived to be Muslim garb, he put Fox News on lockdown. “What the hell!” Ailes shouted. “This guy could be bombing me!” The suspected terrorist turned out to be a janitor. “Roger tore up the whole floor,” recalls a source close to Ailes.
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lawhawk Thu, May 26, 2011 10:39:56am |
Lots of interesting dynamics in play if Palin decides to run. A lot depends on how it affects AZ if Palin wins the GOP nomination.
She's about as polarizing a candidate as is out there. There's no middle ground (heck, the same could be said about a couple other GOP candidates like Luap Nor). It might help in some of the early caucus/primary states (IA, NH), but not so much in places like FL, NY, or even AZ where her comments in the wake of the attempted assassination of Rep. Giffords wont sit well with voters.
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makeitstop Thu, May 26, 2011 10:40:15am |
re: #48 EastSider
I'm really hoping for a repeat of a Giuliani 2008 performance. Lose so big and so hard that you are never heard from again.
The only problem with that is I read somewhere (Washington Monthly?) that Mayor 9/11 is considering running again.
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Surabaya Stew Thu, May 26, 2011 10:40:44am |
To Sarah's credit, she looks great in glasses. In fact, she looks great overall (dresses nicely, carries herself well, keeps in shape, etc.) and would totally be a good POTUS based on appearance alone.
Too bad thats about all she has going for her.
re: #22 Simply Sarah
Probably looks better in a dress, too, but that's just speculation.
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engineer cat Thu, May 26, 2011 10:41:12am |
palin running would just be part of the inevitable historical process of the republican party splitting in two
World Wide Wrestling Battle Of The Network Stars Edition
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lawhawk Thu, May 26, 2011 10:41:33am |
re: #48 EastSider
Rudy's contemplating a run in 2012 - hopefully with different political advisers.
And btw, had his strategy worked, it would have blown up the IA and NH stranglehold and dealt a blow against the socons and right wingers who are dominating the primaries in those early states.
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jea62 Thu, May 26, 2011 10:41:42am |
Palin's going to run. So what?
She splits the religious conservative vote with Santorum - or even worse for any of them - with Santorum and Bachmann.
None of them win.
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Simply Sarah Thu, May 26, 2011 10:42:00am |
re: #51 makeitstop
The only problem with that is I read somewhere (Washington Monthly?) that Mayor 9/11 is considering running again.
He's considering running again, but won't contest any primaries before 2013. That's when he'll make his stand.
/
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EastSider Thu, May 26, 2011 10:42:01am |
re: #45 Renaissance_Man
Media support.
They'll continue to take those two angles, and all of the others you've heard. Socialism, tyranny, liberals coming to take your guns and bibles, forced gay marriage, death panels, one world government, soft on terror, Muslim friendly, secret Communist, and so on. They will use those angles because they work.
I don't know about media support. With the exception of Fox News, which would likely act basically as the campaign's media arm, I think she would be taken to task for her famed outbursts and relatively closed off demeanor.
On the other path, I think the fact that the argument of "the other" didn't work in 2008 invalidates it for 2012. As long as he doesn't sink to her level, and runs on his (shockingly center-right) credentials, that dog won't hunt. but I think you're right--they damn well will try that angle and insult the American people, our intelligence, and our democracy in the process. Again.
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martinsmithy Thu, May 26, 2011 10:42:25am |
Bad news for the nation.
Obama should easily beat her in a Presidential race, but you never know what might happen, and the thought of her getting even that close to the White House is a scary prospect indeed.
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SpaceJesus Thu, May 26, 2011 10:43:33am |
santorum, bachmann and palin devour each other in the primaries, romney takes the minority of conservatives who are somewhat normal, paul and johnson become the GOP ticket. hilarity ensues.
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Simply Sarah Thu, May 26, 2011 10:43:37am |
re: #54 lawhawk
Rudy's contemplating a run in 2012 - hopefully with different political advisers.
And btw, had his strategy worked, it would have blown up the IA and NH stranglehold and dealt a blow against the socons and right wingers who are dominating the primaries in those early states.
One idea that I've heard, which I've increasingly considered as potentially accurate, is that Rudy mostly knew he didn't actually have a chance to win the nomination and the whole Florida thing was more of a face saving attempt that didn't quite work out for him.
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lawhawk Thu, May 26, 2011 10:43:55am |
re: #55 jea62
And if they all split the vote and take away from each other, that could lead to a more moderate candidate coming in and taking advantage.
Or, much more likely - a real nasty fight at the convention among a bunch of candidates each of which lacks enough support to win the nomination on their own.
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martinsmithy Thu, May 26, 2011 10:44:03am |
re: #55 jea62
Palin's going to run. So what?
She splits the religious conservative vote with Santorum - or even worse for any of them - with Santorum and Bachmann.
None of them win.
Unfortunately, Palin has a foothold among voters who are not religious conservatives. Perhaps they are just men who think she's hot, but they're out there. That's what makes her a scary candidate.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, May 26, 2011 10:46:48am |
re: #62 martinsmithy
Unfortunately, Palin has a foothold among voters who are not religious conservatives. Perhaps they are just men who think she's hot, but they're out there. That's what makes her a scary candidate.
And there are the ABO voters.
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makeitstop Thu, May 26, 2011 10:47:48am |
re: #49 simoom
How Roger Ailes starts his day:
[Link: www.rollingstone.com...]
That guy is a real piece of work. Charles Foster Kane in real life.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Thu, May 26, 2011 10:48:07am |
I for one welcome our new Palin overlord... /
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engineer cat Thu, May 26, 2011 10:49:14am |
re: #59 SpaceJesus
santorum, bachmann and palin devour each other in the primaries, romney takes the minority of conservatives who are somewhat normal, paul and johnson become the GOP ticket. hilarity ensues.
my take on it is romney and palin duel to the death, cutting each other up in the process, romney takes it, and wingnuts are embittered even though palin gets up and endorses romney at the convention
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Ericus58 Thu, May 26, 2011 10:49:15am |
re: #58 martinsmithy
Bad news for the nation.
Obama should easily beat her in a Presidential race, but you never know what might happen, and the thought of her getting even that close to the White House is a scary prospect indeed.
America is bigger than Sarah Palin running for office.
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Martinsmithy Thu, May 26, 2011 10:50:03am |
re: #38 Simply Sarah
A housecat with an "R" next to its name on the ballot will win in Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky and South Carolina. Probably West Virginia, Louisiana, Texas, Kansas, Nebraska, the Dakotas and Alaska.
Fortunately that's nowhere near an electoral college majority.
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Simply Sarah Thu, May 26, 2011 10:52:05am |
re: #68 Martinsmithy
A housecat with an "R" next to its name on the ballot will win in Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky and South Carolina. Probably West Virginia, Louisiana, Texas, Kansas, Nebraska, the Dakotas and Alaska.
Fortunately that's nowhere near an electoral college majority.
Oh, she'd have next to no chance in a general election against Obama, outside some extremely dramatic events occurring. I'm just saying I doubt she'd end up a Republican Mondale.
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Renaissance_Man Thu, May 26, 2011 10:52:08am |
re: #57 EastSider
I don't know about media support. With the exception of Fox News, which would likely act basically as the campaign's media arm, I think she would be taken to task for her famed outbursts and relatively closed off demeanor.
On the other path, I think the fact that the argument of "the other" didn't work in 2008 invalidates it for 2012. As long as he doesn't sink to her level, and runs on his (shockingly center-right) credentials, that dog won't hunt. but I think you're right--they damn well will try that angle and insult the American people, our intelligence, and our democracy in the process. Again.
I think you underestimate how cowed all other media in the US is by FOX. FOX determines the narrative, and other networks report on it as a story, thus further spreading it. I think you also further underestimate how well the argument of 'the other' has worked for the past 20-30 years in creating a powerful cult that shapes national elections, and thus world dynamics.
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jamesfirecat Thu, May 26, 2011 10:53:05am |
re: #68 Martinsmithy
A housecat with an "R" next to its name on the ballot will win in Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky and South Carolina. Probably West Virginia, Louisiana, Texas, Kansas, Nebraska, the Dakotas and Alaska.
Fortunately that's nowhere near an electoral college majority.
I for one feel the GOP could (and currently is doing) do far worse than running Scattergood/Stripes
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, May 26, 2011 10:55:09am |
there is a poll out today showing her polling as well as Mitt Romney among the GOPers.
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EastSider Thu, May 26, 2011 10:55:54am |
As long as we're fantasizing:
Palin (miraculously) wins the nomination, but rational Republicans (a la Romney etc) turn down an offer to be the VP nomination. She is forced to pick a tea-partier as her VP, and the ticket becomes straight up and down the social-con, image-first embodient of the recent evolution of Republican politics.
She is destroyed. Over two debates, Obama exposes her as an amateur, as irritable, as ignorant, as the antithesis of presidential while himself remaining calm, cool and collected. Because this group of people "doesn't back down," she doubles down with the rhetoric on her favorite channels, and in doing so turns all but the most ardent supporters and fanatics against her.
The electoral result is devastating. Its the largest victory ever, trumping Reagan/Carter and LBJ/Goldwater. For the first time in as long as anyone can remember, Democrats win Texas, they win Georgia, they win her home state of Alaska. Republicans hold on in only in Missisisppi, Alabama, and Utah.
Downticket the results are even worse. Republicans stayed away or flopped, and they lose control of the house. Statehouses and legislatures around the country are blued up.
At the end, it calls the sane Republicans home. They begin to legislate in good faith, and with maturity and poise. A crop of new conservatives emerge that are express reasoned fiscal conservatism combined with a laissez faire attitude towards social issues (read: gay marriage and abortion).
Going forward, the federal government is viewed as a necessary and functional force in this country, and the big problems are addressed with courage and a sense of the long-term impacts of our actions. Republicans and Democrats work together to update our Energy/Global Warming, Immigration, Health Care, and Foreign Policies in a sustainable way for the country to remain prosperous for another century.
/wakes up.
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Stanghazi Thu, May 26, 2011 10:57:44am |
She's going to run.
mattklewis Matt Lewis
by davidfolkenflik
Sarah Palin to launch national bus tour "which will eventually take her through key early voting states."- [Link: bit.ly...]
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Stanghazi Thu, May 26, 2011 10:58:13am |
re: #66 engineer dog
my take on it is romney and palin duel to the death, cutting each other up in the process, romney takes it, and wingnuts are embittered even though palin gets up and endorses romney at the convention
My money's on Newt taking her down. He will be ruthless.
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theheat Thu, May 26, 2011 11:01:47am |
re: #73 EastSider
While were at it, did I tell you I got bucked off my unicorn today?
//
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Daniel Ballard Thu, May 26, 2011 11:02:19am |
re: #50 lawhawk
It feels kinda moot, as in the primary is a fight for the right to lose to Obama, and be at the front right when the GOP loses the house and some ground in the Senate.
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EastSider Thu, May 26, 2011 11:04:10am |
re: #78 theheat
While were at it, did I tell you I got bucked off my unicorn today?
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they're tricky. really gotta dig in to the reins. My great grand pappy was actually a tri-county unicorn wrangling champ back in 1903, but the best I can do is the full 8 seconds on a mechanical uni in the town tavern.
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engineer cat Thu, May 26, 2011 11:05:26am |
re: #75 Stanley Sea
My money's on Newt taking her down. He will be ruthless.
i thought newt was boinking ruth on the desk in his office
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wrenchwench Thu, May 26, 2011 11:08:44am |
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Kragar Thu, May 26, 2011 11:10:09am |
About that whole Newt Gingrich Breakfast at Tiffany's
Why would Tiffany’s give Gingrich special treatment? It may just be because he is one of the country’s most famous politicians. Lots of companies give away gifts to high status people. It’s one of the cruel ironies of the world: rich people get expensive stuff for free.
But Felix Salmon points out that this may have been an “undisclosed lobbying expenditure.” During the two years in which the account carried a balance, Newt’s wife Callista was a high level staffer for the House Agriculture Committee, which has oversees mining policy.
Tiffany’s, the website SpyTalk points out, was lobbying heavily on mining issues during the period.
But as far as I know, almost everyone has overlooked the fact that Gingrich’s former top staffer, Christy Evans, is a registered lobbyist for Tiffany's.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 26, 2011 11:10:41am |
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Kragar Thu, May 26, 2011 11:11:07am |
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, May 26, 2011 11:13:07am |
She knows that she will become the GOP front runner just by declaring, and she is in a position to deliver 20+% of the vote.
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laZardo Thu, May 26, 2011 11:13:13am |
Yes, it’s beginning to look like the icon of modern conservatism (intellectually incurious, anti-science, fanatically religious, and terminally xenophobic) is going to run for President after all.
What was that about "broad-brushing" again?
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Romantic Heretic Thu, May 26, 2011 11:13:21am |
She loves to be the centre of attention so I'm pretty sure she will be.
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EastSider Thu, May 26, 2011 11:13:49am |
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makeitstop Thu, May 26, 2011 11:15:10am |
re: #88 laZardo
What was that about "broad-brushing" again?
I object to your use of the term 'broad.'
//
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Thu, May 26, 2011 11:15:41am |
Palin is not going to run, it would involve a substantial cut in her income. However she does need to keep her fanboys thinking that she possibly might run for as long as possible and also manage to get occasional front page news coverage on the campaign that might happen.
With Sarah it is all about cashing in on her fame and purposefully keeping her name front and center in the national news for just as long as she possibly can. Hence the constant hints and rumours that she might run, even though she and everyone else knows that she would lose very handily.
There will be no valid Palin run, although she might even go so far as to register in a few states just to make it look good. I actually feel sorry for her supporters, Palin is outright and truly "laughing all the way to the bank" and they are too gullible to realize it. :(
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, May 26, 2011 11:18:58am |
She is still in the position to play Kingmaker for the party: no GOP candidate would want to dispense with the support she can mobilize. Even though her support has proven to be pretty worthless in the case of Miller in Alaska, O'Donnel in Delaware and Angle in Nevada...
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Romantic Heretic Thu, May 26, 2011 11:20:52am |
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thecommodore Thu, May 26, 2011 11:21:46am |
re: #73 EastSider
As long as we're fantasizing:
Palin (miraculously) wins the nomination, but rational Republicans (a la Romney etc) turn down an offer to be the VP nomination. She is forced to pick a tea-partier as her VP, and the ticket becomes straight up and down the social-con, image-first embodient of the recent evolution of Republican politics.
She is destroyed. Over two debates, Obama exposes her as an amateur, as irritable, as ignorant, as the antithesis of presidential while himself remaining calm, cool and collected. Because this group of people "doesn't back down," she doubles down with the rhetoric on her favorite channels, and in doing so turns all but the most ardent supporters and fanatics against her.
The electoral result is devastating. Its the largest victory ever, trumping Reagan/Carter and LBJ/Goldwater. For the first time in as long as anyone can remember, Democrats win Texas, they win Georgia, they win her home state of Alaska. Republicans hold on in only in Missisisppi, Alabama, and Utah.
Downticket the results are even worse. Republicans stayed away or flopped, and they lose control of the house. Statehouses and legislatures around the country are blued up.
At the end, it calls the sane Republicans home. They begin to legislate in good faith, and with maturity and poise. A crop of new conservatives emerge that are express reasoned fiscal conservatism combined with a laissez faire attitude towards social issues (read: gay marriage and abortion).
Going forward, the federal government is viewed as a necessary and functional force in this country, and the big problems are addressed with courage and a sense of the long-term impacts of our actions. Republicans and Democrats work together to update our Energy/Global Warming, Immigration, Health Care, and Foreign Policies in a sustainable way for the country to remain prosperous for another century.
/wakes up.
That sort of happened after the 1964 shellacking. The Republicans drove the nutjobs out and gradually bounced back. But it didn't last long. While Nixon governed from his left as president, Watergate drove him and the GOP back into the toilet, leading eventually to the rise of Reagan, and the resurgence of the far right. Reagan was able to keep them at bay, but they gained strength and blew up in the 90's as Clinton, talk radio, and later Fox News took shape.
The bottom line is that while a Palin nomination would be a disaster for the GOP, as they've shown time and time again, there are people out there ignorant enough and paranoid enough to believe the crap they spew, and they would be back again in short order.
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kirkspencer Thu, May 26, 2011 11:23:10am |
re: #61 lawhawk
And if they all split the vote and take away from each other, that could lead to a more moderate candidate coming in and taking advantage.
Or, much more likely - a real nasty fight at the convention among a bunch of candidates each of which lacks enough support to win the nomination on their own.
This.
The biggest wild card most people don't recall is that this time the Republicans are using proportional delegates instead of winner take all for each state. If they'd done that in 2008, based on the results of the time, McCain's "all but obvious" wouldn't have happened. Instead they'd have (probably) been running through close to the last states as Romney and Huckabee took "enough" delegates.
You think it's fun now, wait till super Tuesday and the realization that Ron Paul with 10% of the popular (vice super) delegates suddenly has a chance at being kingmaker (or at least dealmaker).
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, May 26, 2011 11:25:14am |
re: #71 jamesfirecat
I for one feel the GOP could (and currently is doing) do far worse than running Scattergood/Stripes
I think the two issues with a Mondale-like GOP run by a housecat are:
1. Finding one that is 35-years-old or older
2. Finding one with the proper long-form birth certificate
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Ming Thu, May 26, 2011 12:05:13pm |
Uh oh. I'm afraid she may be serious. She knows that it has to be in 2012. By 2016, she will have lost some of her looks, and if there's one thing that baby-boom viewers of Fox News cannot forgive, it's an older woman who loses her looks. Palin must run in 2012, if she's to run at all. Actually, she may be maneuvering for a VICE-Presidential shot, again.
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Ojoe Thu, May 26, 2011 2:34:47pm |
I bet she will be the next president. Anyway, if she is "terminally xenophobic" she would not have gone to India.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, May 26, 2011 3:20:49pm |
re: #100 Ojoe
I bet she will be the next president.
Just don't bet your life on it, okay?
Heh, only a very small percentage of Americans lap up the pablum that she spews. I don't think she has a chance.
Anyway, if she is "terminally xenophobic" she would not have gone to India.
Xenophobes have been known to travel abroad, so I don't see that point a particularly relevant. Funny, though, that you did not comment on the "intellectually incurious", "anti-science", and "fanatically religious" parts.
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Spocomptonite Thu, May 26, 2011 6:02:08pm |
re: #100 Ojoe
I bet she will be the next president. Anyway, if she is "terminally xenophobic" she would not have gone to India.
A lot of xenophobic people I know travel abroad. They just see themselves as superior to everything and everyone they see, and are totally fine with being surrounded by who they perceive as inferior so long as its temporary and those people stay in their own country.
They give Americans a bad name.
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