With a new hagiographic film about to be released, Sarah “Death Panels” Palin is getting ready to hit the road, in a tour bus emblazoned with the slogan, “Join the ‘Fundamental Restoration of America’.”
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, May 26, 2011 11:19:30am |
Blacks to the back of the bus, please...
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jamesfirecat Thu, May 26, 2011 11:19:42am |
“Join the Fundamentalist RestorationReimagining of America.” Sounds a bit more honest to me.
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Simply Sarah Thu, May 26, 2011 11:20:54am |
I notice a comically oversized Alaska, but the thing I think is supposed to be Hawaii is rather tiny and doesn't appear to be an orange/red/yellow shade like everything else. Hmm...
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EastSider Thu, May 26, 2011 11:22:12am |
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makeitstop Thu, May 26, 2011 11:22:49am |
Where's the matching trailer to carry the snake oil?
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Alexzander Thu, May 26, 2011 11:23:11am |
I am so excited for all the hilarity about to unfold. I really really hope she wins the primary.
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wrenchwench Thu, May 26, 2011 11:23:19am |
How many Huskies under the hood of that bus?
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Charles Johnson Thu, May 26, 2011 11:23:53am |
Notice that "Fundamental Restoration of America" is in quotes on the tour bus.
I've been Googling the phrase, and it appears to have originated with Glenn Beck.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, May 26, 2011 11:24:06am |
re: #6 Alexzander
I am so excited for all the hilarity about to unfold. I really really hope she wins the primary.
I do as well, but I also hope she doesn't for the simple fact that it will demonstrate to the world just how fucking crazy a good part of this country is.
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wrenchwench Thu, May 26, 2011 11:25:27am |
re: #4 EastSider
actually, Alaska really is huge.
I heard that when they were discussing statehood for Alaska, Texas wanted it cut in two because they didn't want to be the second largest state. They were told, "If we do that, you'll be the third largest state."
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Mattand Thu, May 26, 2011 11:25:43am |
I don't get why "Fundamentalist Restoration" is in quotes on the bus art. It's like she's saying it ironically.
That's one of the those grammar things that irritates me, like the difference between "its" and "it's".
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Alexzander Thu, May 26, 2011 11:25:45am |
re: #9 Dreggas
I do as well, but I also hope she doesn't for the simple fact that it will demonstrate to the world just how fucking crazy a good part of this country is.
I think it might be a process we as a nation need to go through honestly. A lot of republicans already did, and no realise the error of those ways. On RedState there is a lot of constant disparaging of Palin supporters out of fear she win the nomination. If she does win the primary I actually think it will move the country forward.
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albusteve Thu, May 26, 2011 11:25:51am |
re: #8 Charles
Notice that "Fundamental Restoration of America" is in quotes on the tour bus.
I've been Googling the phrase, and it appears to have originated with Glenn Beck.
scary...I don't even want to hear a whisper about that shit...yet the noise is overwehelming
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, May 26, 2011 11:26:10am |
re: #3 Simply Sarah
I notice a comically oversized Alaska,
I think Alaska is true to scale on that map. It is quite big, I recall learning in geography class that it would stretch nearly from coast to coast if suporimposed on the mainland.
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shutdown Thu, May 26, 2011 11:26:22am |
Hey, man - that's a NICE bus. I wonder if she will be parking it on the street in front of her new $1.7 million Scottsville home? That shoud piss off the neighbours...
Also, as a New Yorker, I would like to know why Alaska is the relative size of the Soviet Union.
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Alexzander Thu, May 26, 2011 11:26:48am |
It is also worth taking note of the fact that the bus isn't clearly a presidential tour bus. I imagine she is still hedging in case she simply decides to support another candidate and continue to grow her own empire.
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Joe G. Thu, May 26, 2011 11:26:52am |
That map of the lower 48 states looks like it has a stone wall or chain link fence all along the southern border, wrapping around Florida and extending all the way up to New England. Sounds like we've got an immigration policy!
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Simply Sarah Thu, May 26, 2011 11:27:04am |
re: #4 EastSider
actually, Alaska really is huge.
Well, looking again it's not as bad as I first thought, but it certainly seems to be larger in relationship to Texas and the lower 48 than it should be, as it only has a bit more than twice the area. But I will grant that comic oversized is an, uh, overstatement.
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jamesfirecat Thu, May 26, 2011 11:27:10am |
re: #12 Alexzander
I think it might be a process we as a nation need to go through honestly. A lot of republicans already did, and no realise the error of those ways. On RedState there is a lot of constant disparaging of Palin supporters out of fear she win the nomination. If she does win the primary I actually think it will move the country forward.
Their's no need too get worked up over a little thing like that.
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engineer cat Thu, May 26, 2011 11:27:25am |
a little topology theory here where the tour bus graphic illustrates the map coloring theorem
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Killgore Trout Thu, May 26, 2011 11:27:25am |
I wonder if she'll be doing faith healing and snake oil sales.
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Charles Johnson Thu, May 26, 2011 11:27:42am |
The more I search the phrase, the clearer it is that the word "fundamental" is in there very deliberately, to signify fundamental Christianity. This phrase is all over the religious right websites -- it didn't start with Palin. It's a far right Dominionist meme.
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Mattand Thu, May 26, 2011 11:27:44am |
It also bugs me when whackjobs like her appropriate images like the Liberty Bell.
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Stanghazi Thu, May 26, 2011 11:27:54am |
The Liberty Bell? Really? Wonder what focus group came up with that.
Help us all.
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shutdown Thu, May 26, 2011 11:27:56am |
re: #20 engineer dog
a little topology theory here where the tour bus graphic illustrates the map coloring theorem
another nerd heard from :)
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Killgore Trout Thu, May 26, 2011 11:29:01am |
Are those little brown people gathering on the southern borders?
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Simply Sarah Thu, May 26, 2011 11:29:12am |
re: #17 Joe G.
That map of the lower 48 states looks like it has a stone wall or chain link fence all along the southern border, wrapping around Florida and extending all the way up to New England. Sounds like we've got an immigration policy!
Nah. That's the mine field!
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, May 26, 2011 11:29:13am |
re: #23 Charles
They insist that it has nothing to do with concepts like "Islamic fundamentalism" but rather that it is based on the fundament of the Holy Scriptures.
Which in their minds take precedent over the Constitution.
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shutdown Thu, May 26, 2011 11:29:35am |
re: #27 Killgore Trout
Are those little brown people gathering on the southern borders?
Yes, that is why Palin has the entire country jacked up on stilts.
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makeitstop Thu, May 26, 2011 11:30:20am |
re: #23 Charles
The more I search the phrase, the clearer it is that the word "fundamental" is in there very deliberately, to signify fundamental Christianity. This phrase is all over the religious right websites -- it didn't start with Palin. It's a far right Dominionist meme.
I figured it had to be a whistle for some particular type of dog.
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Simply Sarah Thu, May 26, 2011 11:30:23am |
re: #23 Charles
The more I search the phrase, the clearer it is that the word "fundamental" is in there very deliberately, to signify fundamental Christianity. This phrase is all over the religious right websites -- it didn't start with Palin. It's a far right Dominionist meme.
Oh, that's the absolute first thing that came to my mind, so I am not surprised by that in the least.
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EastSider Thu, May 26, 2011 11:30:42am |
I wonder how the secessionist lobby will like the "indivisible" thrown in.
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makeitstop Thu, May 26, 2011 11:31:05am |
re: #17 Joe G.
That map of the lower 48 states looks like it has a stone wall or chain link fence all along the southern border, wrapping around Florida and extending all the way up to New England. Sounds like we've got an immigration policy!
I think someone got a little carried away with the 'emboss' filter in Photoshop.
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darthstar Thu, May 26, 2011 11:31:28am |
Palin's "LOOK AT ME!!!" '11 Tour
Who's watching the kids?
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SpaceJesus Thu, May 26, 2011 11:31:40am |
did sarah go to MTV's "pimp my ride" for this?
"yo dawg, we heard you're right wing, so we put some fascism in your ride"
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, May 26, 2011 11:31:41am |
re: #32 Simply Sarah
same here. As soon as I see the words "fundamental" and "restoration" in a sentence about the country from a winger it's easy to know what they are talking about. That whistle is blowing so loud they can hear it in russia...coming from Sarah's house.
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kirkspencer Thu, May 26, 2011 11:32:12am |
re: #18 Simply Sarah
Well, looking again it's not as bad as I first thought, but it certainly seems to be larger in relationship to Texas and the lower 48 than it should be, as it only has a bit more than twice the area. But I will grant that comic oversized is an, uh, overstatement.
Actually, Alaska is almost 2 and a half times the size of Texas. In fact, it's area is over 20% that of the continental US.
Alaska is 663,267 sq mi.
Texas is 268,580 sq mi.
Continental US is 3,119,885 sq mi.
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efuseakay Thu, May 26, 2011 11:32:13am |
lol @ "with liberty and justice for all."
Unless you're gay, transgendered, a minority; especially black, Mexican, or Muslim... Then the aforementioned quote does not apply.
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allegro Thu, May 26, 2011 11:32:26am |
I live in an RV resort and hope to never, ever have to share it with that bus.
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abolitionist Thu, May 26, 2011 11:32:35am |
re: #5 makeitstop
Where's the matching trailer to carry the snake oil?
I think the bus must be a hybrid of some sort. Probably runs on a combination of snake oil, hot air, Toyota's ™ perpetual motion regenerative braking technology (the one they feature for that amusement park), and Exxon's ™ hundred year's worth of oil-filled rocks (that their spokeman with the plastic-surgery-smile insists we're all standing on).
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, May 26, 2011 11:33:11am |
re: #39 efuseakay
lol @ "with liberty and justice for all."
Unless you're gay, transgendered, a minority; especially black, Mexican, or Muslim... Then the aforementioned quote does not apply.
No, they have their own particular form of "justice" reserved for the latter groups...
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darthstar Thu, May 26, 2011 11:33:15am |
re: #8 Charles
Notice that "Fundamental Restoration of America" is in quotes on the tour bus.
I've been Googling the phrase, and it appears to have originated with Glenn Beck.
Yep...
[Link: www.muldrake.com...]
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albusteve Thu, May 26, 2011 11:33:28am |
re: #40 allegro
I live in an RV resort and hope to never, ever have to share it with that bus.
they will overnight at the Ritz
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, May 26, 2011 11:34:15am |
re: #40 allegro
I live in an RV resort and hope to never, ever have to share it with that bus.
I cannot Imagine they will stay anywhere where Sarah will have to put on her bathrobe and walk to the showers...
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darthstar Thu, May 26, 2011 11:34:22am |
re: #44 albusteve
they will overnight at the Ritz
And her private jet will drop her at an airport just outside of town before she "rides in" to her adoring fans.
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Bulworth Thu, May 26, 2011 11:34:31am |
re: #8 Charles
Notice that "Fundamental Restoration of America" is in quotes on the tour bus.
I've been Googling the phrase, and it appears to have originated with Glenn Beck.
Didn't Beck complain about Obama/Democrat "revolutionary" aims, etc. I guess "Restoration" is perfectly acceptable. They want to go back to the glory days of the Constitution that most of them apparently haven't read.
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makeitstop Thu, May 26, 2011 11:34:41am |
re: #42 ralphieboy
No, they have their own particular form of "justice" reserved for the latter groups...
Yeah, but to see it you gotta get under the bus.
/
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Kragar Thu, May 26, 2011 11:34:49am |
Is it still a bus tour when she flies to each city and meets the bus there?
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Simply Sarah Thu, May 26, 2011 11:35:04am |
re: #38 kirkspencer
Actually, Alaska is almost 2 and a half times the size of Texas. In fact, it's area is over 20% that of the continental US.
Alaska is 663,267 sq mi.
Texas is 268,580 sq mi.
Continental US is 3,119,885 sq mi.
Oh, I see the confusion here. That's the area of Alaska including territorial waters. The actual land areas are 571,951.26 and 261,797.12 square miles, respectively.
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Amory Blaine Thu, May 26, 2011 11:35:28am |
The GOP Think Tank. Rolling to a town near you...
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engineer cat Thu, May 26, 2011 11:36:08am |
re: #8 Charles
Notice that "Fundamental Restoration of America" is in quotes on the tour bus.
I've been Googling the phrase, and it appears to have originated with Glenn Beck.
it's to appeal to the inappropriate quotes demographic, such as the people who post signs saying things like:
no "shirts", no "shoes", no "service"
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engineer cat Thu, May 26, 2011 11:36:51am |
Fundamental Restoration
does this mean there will be fundamentalist restoration comedies?
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Kragar Thu, May 26, 2011 11:37:43am |
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lawhawk Thu, May 26, 2011 11:38:18am |
Ah, so they've wrapped the bus oh so nicely - and just in time to begin throwing people under the bus. First up for the under the bus tour? Anyone who speaks poorly of her and her failings.
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allegro Thu, May 26, 2011 11:38:21am |
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SpaceJesus Thu, May 26, 2011 11:38:34am |
i wonder if this idea will catch on with other world leaders during campaigns
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Bulworth Thu, May 26, 2011 11:38:35am |
re: #16 Alexzander
It is also worth taking note of the fact that the bus isn't clearly a presidential tour bus. I imagine she is still hedging in case she simply decides to support another candidate and continue to grow her own empire.
Yeah, but what other kind of person runs a bus tour? Maybe she plans to take over the Billy Graham circuit.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 26, 2011 11:38:46am |
re: #1 ralphieboy
Blacks to the back of the bus, please...
Actually the Tea Party's record has been to have them up on stage.
(That was one thing I had to give the Tea Party people credit for. They couldn't figure out why black people weren't interested in joining them, but they did keep recruiting black people to speak and perform at their gigs, apparently in some hope that that would help. And also, of course, that it would get the rest of us off their backs about being racist.)
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Killgore Trout Thu, May 26, 2011 11:38:47am |
re: #35 darthstar
Palin's "LOOK AT ME!!!" '11 Tour
Who's watching the kids?
Andrew Sullivan unfortunately.
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mr.fusion Thu, May 26, 2011 11:38:47am |
Make no mistake.....she's running and she will be the nominee
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darthstar Thu, May 26, 2011 11:38:55am |
re: #49 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Is it still a bus tour when she flies to each city and meets the bus there?
Funny how her fans never notice that, between bus visits to say Des Moines and Davenport, she manages to make an appearance in Orlando - without ever leaving the bus!
//
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SpaceJesus Thu, May 26, 2011 11:39:20am |
Merkel driving around Bavaria in the Oscar Meyer weenie car for example
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engineer cat Thu, May 26, 2011 11:39:39am |
www.unnecessaryquotes.com...]>unnecessary quotation marks blog
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, May 26, 2011 11:39:45am |
re: #49 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Is it still a bus tour when she flies to each city and meets the bus there?
Yes, so long as her broom is safely stowed away in the luggage compartment.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, May 26, 2011 11:39:56am |
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, May 26, 2011 11:40:08am |
re: #36 SpaceJesus
did sarah go to MTV's "pimp my ride" for this?
"yo dawg, we heard you're right wing, so we put some fascism in your ride"
Should get VW to pimp her ride and give her a Jetta - more appropriate compared to a bus for her actual chances of being President.
(I found that series of VW commericals quite amusing. V-Dub is in the house!)
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engineer cat Thu, May 26, 2011 11:40:15am |
bah!
[Link: www.unnecessaryquotes.com...]
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Bulworth Thu, May 26, 2011 11:40:30am |
I don't want to click on Sarah's SarahPAC link. Where is this bus tour going?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 26, 2011 11:41:11am |
re: #24 mattand
It also bugs me when whackjobs like her appropriate images like the Liberty Bell.
Like Sarah, it is cracked.
//Eh, it's a standard visual shorthand for good American stuff, and they can't use the Statue of Liberty because she encourages immigration.
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mr.fusion Thu, May 26, 2011 11:41:34am |
re: #70 Bulworth
I don't want to click on Sarah's SarahPAC link. Where is this bus tour going?
Apparently it's "fluid"
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, May 26, 2011 11:41:37am |
re: #68 engineer dog
I think this is a semiliterate variant of the old style of writing in thich IMPORTANT words were written IN CAPITAL LETTERS to stress their significance.
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SpaceJesus Thu, May 26, 2011 11:42:06am |
re: #69 lawhawk
that's the least kosher thing on four wheels i've ever seen
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 26, 2011 11:42:10am |
re: #40 allegro
I live in an RV resort and hope to never, ever have to share it with that bus.
Oh, come on. Just think of the photos you could post here!!
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, May 26, 2011 11:42:19am |
re: #59 SanFranciscoZionist
I am still curious as to which seats they will be assigned on the bus (the driver's seat, in any case...)
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theheat Thu, May 26, 2011 11:42:24am |
I get back from my soiree on Craigslist, and am pleasantly surprised to see Palin is still putting the "fun" in "fundie." So much so, it's a bus tour. Surprised? Not.
This is what she is, right to her core. Every bit of dishonesty and scare tactics and faux feminism and bible beating and ignorance and purely selfish motivations that could be embodied in a single individual, she positively glows with those qualities.
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mr.fusion Thu, May 26, 2011 11:42:40am |
re: #24 mattand
It also bugs me when whackjobs like her appropriate images like the Liberty Bell.
Oh nothing drives me crazier than the way these people have confiscated the imagery and mythology of our founding.....as if it belongs to only them.
Drives me crazy
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 26, 2011 11:43:07am |
re: #45 ralphieboy
I cannot Imagine they will stay anywhere where Sarah will have to put on her bathrobe and walk to the showers...
Aw, come on. Walking to the showers in your flip-flops at a Thousand Trails is what real America is all about.
Or maybe what summers with my grandparents used to be all about. I get those confused sometimes.
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 26, 2011 11:43:12am |
ACORN is manipulating the gas prices--we're down to 3.47.
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Bulworth Thu, May 26, 2011 11:43:27am |
re: #72 mr.fusion
Apparently it's "fluid"
Well, she isn't so good at finishing terms. Better to keep things "fluid" indeed.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, May 26, 2011 11:43:39am |
When I was in Texas, Dairy Queens asked if you wanted to "Texas Size" your order (as opposed to Super Size).
I was tempted to say, "Nah. That's not big enough. Can you make it twice the size of that and we'll call it an Alaska-sized meal?"
Not that brave.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 26, 2011 11:43:43am |
re: #49 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Is it still a bus tour when she flies to each city and meets the bus there?
Well, she is touring, and the bus is touring. I don't think there's an actual rule that she and the bus have to go together.
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mr.fusion Thu, May 26, 2011 11:44:20am |
re: #81 Bulworth
Well, she isn't so good at finishing terms. Better to keep things "fluid" indeed.
I think it's a good way to say "we threw this together at the last minute and have no idea what we're doing".....it's Esther's MO
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 26, 2011 11:44:42am |
re: #62 darthstar
Funny how her fans never notice that, between bus visits to say Des Moines and Davenport, she manages to make an appearance in Orlando - without ever leaving the bus!
//
Maybe the bus is actually a tardis.
/Could Sarah Palin be a Time Lord?
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Bulworth Thu, May 26, 2011 11:45:17am |
Well, this bus touring thing could get rather pricey. Gas prices being high and all. So Sarah needs lots of money from her fans to bus around and buy expensive new homes in the AZ desert.
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Killgore Trout Thu, May 26, 2011 11:46:02am |
The Republican war on science is alive and well...
Senate Report Finds Billions in Waste on Science Foundation Studies
The Oklahoma Republican issued a new report Thursday that concludes the National Science Foundation has misspent $3 billion on "waste, fraud, duplication and mismanagement." It offers a list of research projects that could have been left as questions for the universe.Among them, $2 million to analyze 38 million photos on Flickr and cross-reference them against the site's social networking service. Turns out, researchers concluded, that friends generally post photos on the Internet depicting the same place at the same time.
Some other beauties: A $315,000 NSF-funded study on whether playing Facebook's FarmVille can help adults develop relationships; $80,000 to examine why the same teams always end up leading March Madness; and a $1.5 million grant for scientists to design a robot that can fold laundry -- at a rate of one towel every 25 minutes.
Those godless scientists are also sex maniacs....
Aside from the questionable science, Coburn's report documented numerous instances where the NSF funded potentially illicit behavior.In one instance, two "romantically involved" workers went on 47 trips during the course of more than two years, at a cost of $144,000 to NSF. Other entities were forced to return hefty grants after misusing the funds on everything from alcohol to video games. The inspector general's office had investigated several of those cases.
The report documented one instance where employees were caught Jell-O wrestling at NSF's Antarctica research station. The organizer was fired over the incident.
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Kragar Thu, May 26, 2011 11:46:41am |
re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist
Maybe the bus is actually a tardis.
/Could Sarah Palin be a Time Lord?
I don't think a Time Lord whose moniker is The Dumbass will get very far.
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Bulworth Thu, May 26, 2011 11:47:16am |
re: #87 Killgore Trout
The Republican war on science is alive and well...
Senate Report Finds Billions in Waste on Science Foundation Studies
Those godless scientists are also sex maniacs...
This is why we need a "fundamental restoration" of the America that only Sarah (Run, Sarah, Run!) can't deliver.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 26, 2011 11:47:23am |
re: #88 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I don't think a Time Lord whose moniker is The Dumbass will get very far.
No, no, they choose their own. She's The North Star.
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Jimmah Thu, May 26, 2011 11:47:54am |
UK wingnut alert:
A group which is opposed to abortion in all circumstances and favours an abstinence-based approach to sex education has been appointed to advise the government on sexual health.
The Life organisation has been invited to join a new sexual health forum set up to replace the Independent Advisory Group on Sexual Health and HIV.
Stuart Cowie, Life's head of education, said: "We are delighted to be invited into the group, representing views that have not always been around on similar tables in the past."
In contrast, the British Pregnancy Advisory Service (BPAS) has been omitted from the forum despite its long-term position on the previous advisory group and 40-year track record in providing pregnancy counselling nationwide.
"We are disappointed and troubled to learn that having initially been invited to the sexual health forum we have been disinvited, particularly now we understand that Life have been offered a seat at the table," said Ann Furedi, chief executive of BPAS. "We find it puzzling that the Department of Health would want a group that is opposed to abortion and provides no sexual health services on its sexual health forum."
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 26, 2011 11:48:03am |
I refuse to dress gay enough for a Restoration.
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Stanghazi Thu, May 26, 2011 11:48:09am |
SarahPAC gives us the statement:
This Sunday, May 29th, Governor Palin and the SarahPAC team will begin a trip through our nation's rich historical sites, starting from Washington, DC and going up through New England. The "One Nation Tour" is part of our new campaign to educate and energize Americans about our nation's founding principles, in order to promote the Fundamental Restoration of America.
SarahPac pays for vacations.
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ReamWorks SKG Thu, May 26, 2011 11:48:39am |
re: #23 Charles
The more I search the phrase, the clearer it is that the word "fundamental" is in there very deliberately, to signify fundamental Christianity. This phrase is all over the religious right websites -- it didn't start with Palin. It's a far right Dominionist meme.
Absolutely! It's a "dog whistle" for a portion of her base. And because she's not that bright, it's a very blunt one (to mix metaphors).
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Killgore Trout Thu, May 26, 2011 11:49:11am |
re: #89 Bulworth
From her VP campaign....
Palin takes on fruit flies--And loses
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Jimmah Thu, May 26, 2011 11:49:15am |
re: #91 Jimmah
Oops - should have been quotes there, not bold.
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Simply Sarah Thu, May 26, 2011 11:50:26am |
re: #93 Stanley Sea
SarahPAC gives us the statement:
This Sunday, May 29th, Governor Palin and the SarahPAC team will begin a trip through our nation's rich historical sites, starting from Washington, DC and going up through New England. The "One Nation Tour" is part of our new campaign to educate and energize Americans about our nation's founding principles, in order to promote the Fundamental Restoration of America.
SarahPac pays for vacations.
So it'll be Palin's "States I have no chance of winning in the general" tour?
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Kragar Thu, May 26, 2011 11:50:46am |
re: #97 lawhawk
Blasphemer!
There can be only one (with many reincarnations).
What? Its a fact that there were many Time Lords. There is just one left (well, and say 50% of another).
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albusteve Thu, May 26, 2011 11:50:49am |
maybe some fun loving truck stop attendee will plant a bag of coke and a few porn tapes under a spare tire...etc
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Randy W. Weeks Thu, May 26, 2011 11:51:21am |
Gotta love the Liberty Bell there with the "Under God" added to the Pledge in the '50s.
Gag me with a spoon about this. Good grief.
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 26, 2011 11:51:26am |
re: #98 Simply Sarah
So it'll be Palin's "States I have no chance of winning in the general" tour?
Hope she stops in NY26.
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mr.fusion Thu, May 26, 2011 11:51:54am |
re: #98 Simply Sarah
So it'll be Palin's "States I have no chance of winning in the general" tour?
It's all about getting good shots of her in front of certain places for future commercials/movies
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lawhawk Thu, May 26, 2011 11:52:30am |
re: #99 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
There is just one left (well, and say 50% of another).
Proving my point. She's not it (nor the 50% of the other).
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allegro Thu, May 26, 2011 11:52:47am |
re: #93 Stanley Sea
SarahPAC gives us the statement:
This Sunday, May 29th, Governor Palin and the SarahPAC team will begin a trip through our nation's rich historical sites, starting from Washington, DC and going up through New England. The "One Nation Tour" is part of our new campaign to educate and energize Americans about our nation's founding principles, in order to promote the Fundamental Restoration of America.
Yeah, cuz New Englanders know NOTHING about what went on during the nation's founding. She's gonna edjumacate them good on the REAL history.//
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 26, 2011 11:53:28am |
re: #103 mr.fusion
It's all about getting good shots of her in front of certain places for future commercials/movies
Delaware?
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Kragar Thu, May 26, 2011 11:54:06am |
re: #105 allegro
Yeah, cuz New Englanders know NOTHING about what went on during the nation's founding. She's gonna edjumacate them good on the REAL history.//
When the Minutemen from Alaska stood up to fight the Godless heathen British communists, where were the Boston Liberals?!?!
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Simply Sarah Thu, May 26, 2011 11:54:28am |
re: #105 allegro
Yeah, cuz New Englanders know NOTHING about what went on during the nation's founding. She's gonna edjumacate them good on the REAL history.//
Speaking as a New Englander, well, many of us *don't* know much of anything about what went on during the nation's founding, if I'm going to be honest.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Thu, May 26, 2011 11:54:39am |
Magic Bus!
Every day I get in the queue (Too much, the Magic Bus)
To laugh at the bus that takes Palin to you (Too much, the Magic Bus)
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ReamWorks SKG Thu, May 26, 2011 11:55:42am |
re: #91 Jimmah
re: #91 Jimmah
UK wingnut alert:
A group which is opposed to abortion in all circumstances and favours an abstinence-based approach to sex education has been appointed to advise the government on sexual health.
]
This reminds me when Archbishop Cardinal O'Connor was appointed to Regan's AIDS commission.
Here are some photos of a protest I attended in 1987
[Link: flickr.com...]
This event was an eyeopener: I no longer trust cops. At this event, I peacefully had a sign that said "Archbigot O'Connor". I was attacked by an onlooker, who ripped the signed out of my hands and tore it up, knocking me to the ground. A policeman there broke it up, but then said "I didn't see anything" when I asked if he was going to arrest my attacker.
Retelling this story has gotten me out of Jury Duty a couple of times.
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researchok Thu, May 26, 2011 11:56:02am |
From the email bag:
San Francisco’s Curious Attachment to the Male Foreskin
I’ve always thought of San Francisco as the very paragon of a live-and-let-live city. But it turns out if has a curious attachment to the male foreskin. This November, believe it or not, a measure will be on the ballot to ban circumcision for all males under the age of 18, making it an offense punishable by a fine of up to $1,000 or up to one year in jail. Talk about putting skin in the game.
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, May 26, 2011 11:56:11am |
re: #107 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
When the Minutemen from Alaska stood up to fight the Godless heathen British communists, where were the Boston Liberals?!?!
Drinking tea with their pinkies extended?
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Bulworth Thu, May 26, 2011 11:56:19am |
The "One Nation Tour" is part of our new campaign to educate and energize Americans about our nation's founding principles, in order to promote the Fundamental Restoration of America.
I especially like the principle of the Separation of Church and State. Right, Sarah?
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allegro Thu, May 26, 2011 11:56:33am |
re: #108 Simply Sarah
Speaking as a New Englander, well, many of us *don't* know much of anything about what went on during the nation's founding, if I'm going to be honest.
Really? Wow, I spent many vacations as a kid visiting family in the Boston area and we were always going to historic places to see where it all happened. It was totally fun and exciting as a kid to be able to say "I was there!"
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Thu, May 26, 2011 11:57:01am |
re: #97 lawhawk
Blasphemer!
There can be only one (with many reincarnations).
What about the "Three Doctors" episode? Huh, huh? You can never be absolutely sure who is the actual doctor at that moment. / ;)
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Kragar Thu, May 26, 2011 11:57:33am |
As long as we get to pick which God we're united under, its cool right?
So, Khorne or Nurgle ...Nurgle or Khorne?
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Velvet Elvis Thu, May 26, 2011 11:58:09am |
I can see her trying to lead all her staffers in a rousing sing-a-long of "the wheels on the bus go round and round" as they drive through rural Iowa.
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Simply Sarah Thu, May 26, 2011 11:58:36am |
re: #114 allegro
Really? Wow, I spent many vacations as a kid visiting family in the Boston area and we were always going to historic places to see where it all happened. It was totally fun and exciting as a kid to be able to say "I was there!"
Sadly, I'd say there's a pretty good chance you saw more of those places than many kids growing up in the Boston area. Or, at least, appreciate them more.
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kirkspencer Thu, May 26, 2011 11:59:19am |
re: #61 mr.fusion
Make no mistake...she's running and she will be the nominee
running? yes. Nominee? ummm.
I said this last thread, I'll paraphrase it this time. There is a HUGE change in the GOP selection process. The Republicans are going to use proportional allocation of delegates. So if Ron Paul gets 10% of the primary voters, he gets 10% of the pledged delegates.
At this time (barring penalties and electoral changes this year) there will be 1909 pledged and 513 unpledged (aka super) delegates at the convention in Tampa. Assuming all the superdelegates go with one candidate (snicker - we're talking Rand Paul's rep and Murkowski's rep, just for two) that candidate needs over 1/3 of the popular vote. Realistically, they need at least 40% of the popular vote. That's the TOTAL popular vote.
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Stanghazi Thu, May 26, 2011 11:59:25am |
[Link: www.slate.com...]
The view of the side of the bus.
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Bulworth Thu, May 26, 2011 11:59:29am |
re: #105 allegro
Yeah, cuz New Englanders know NOTHING about what went on during the nation's founding. She's gonna edjumacate them good on the REAL history.//
I wonder how Sarah and the Teabaggers understand the move to replace the more state-controlled and limited government of the Articles of Confederation with the more centralizing tendencies of the Federal Constitution that emerged in 1787. You know, wait, never mind.
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kirkspencer Thu, May 26, 2011 12:00:21pm |
re: #118 Simply Sarah
Sadly, I'd say there's a pretty good chance you saw more of those places than many kids growing up in the Boston area. Or, at least, appreciate them more.
Oddly, I've found that typical of everywhere I've lived. People just don't normally visit the local places that get tagged as "tourist traps".
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Summer Seale Thu, May 26, 2011 12:01:26pm |
Hi everyone,
Sarah Palin here!
I just want to say how excited I am for having this fire in my belly which, if you think about it how I had it before but didn't really have it for the Governorship, just goes to show how awesome things will be if I do decide to run!
You know, I've known a lot of you here since over two years, and I just wanted to say that it's been such a great ride seeing how you all support my posts and feelings on these matters, like the time I talked a lot about Alass-ka and how it's given me wisdom which I take from my church. But even more than that, you've all shown me such wonderful gratitude for being here and being so square with you all. So, if I do decide to run, I want to say that I will try to post here more often and make sure you all feel my recpricocated love, because I know that you supporters out there are having a wonderful time telling me how great I am and how I really should be up there in the big house in the sky down there on earth in Washington DC.
So, I'll make a campaign pledge to you all, which I will try to keep as much as possible: If I do run, it'll be GO TEAM LGF!!! all the way until I get too busy with my life reading all those important magazines and papers that I aridvly watch every day to make sure I know exactly how socialist our country is becoming!
Do I love you guys???
YOU BETCHA!
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Simply Sarah Thu, May 26, 2011 12:03:12pm |
re: #122 kirkspencer
Oddly, I've found that typical of everywhere I've lived. People just don't normally visit the local places that get tagged as "tourist traps".
True. Double sad, though, is that many historical places in the Boston area are public and free with minimal touristy stuff about them. Granted, in many of those cases you basically need a guide to appreciate the site/know what it is.
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makeitstop Thu, May 26, 2011 12:04:34pm |
re: #120 Stanley Sea
[Link: www.slate.com...]
The view of the side of the bus.
Word has it she's upset because the lettering of 'one nation' is larger than her name.
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 26, 2011 12:04:48pm |
re: #108 Simply Sarah
Speaking as a New Englander, well, many of us *don't* know much of anything about what went on during the nation's founding, if I'm going to be honest.
That's terrible, but do you envision Sarah being able to help there?
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windsagio Thu, May 26, 2011 12:05:09pm |
re: #122 kirkspencer
You usually go a few times with your school, and then have had enough :)
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elizajane Thu, May 26, 2011 12:05:12pm |
re: #123 Summer
For a moment, Sarah, I didn't believe it was you because you used a five-syllable word and, well, that didn't seem like your TRUE style. But then I saw that you'd spelled it wrong and so I figured that some evil troll had inserted it into your otherwise wonderfully authentic post.
Just remember - - antidisestablishmentarianism!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 26, 2011 12:05:32pm |
re: #111 researchok
From the email bag:
I don't want to have this argument again, but I will say, in defense of the City, I don't expect this to pass. It's a ballot measure, not a popular acclaim.
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Simply Sarah Thu, May 26, 2011 12:05:34pm |
re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist
That's terrible, but do you envision Sarah being able to help there?
Not by any commonly accepted, positive definition of helping.
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Velvet Elvis Thu, May 26, 2011 12:06:07pm |
re: #124 Simply Sarah
True. Double sad, though, is that many historical places in the Boston area are public and free with minimal touristy stuff about them. Granted, in many of those cases you basically need a guide to appreciate the site/know what it is.
Aren't these places the destinations for innumerable field trips during school? I know during my years in public education I visited the same 5 local historical sites several times and it got kinda old.
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makeitstop Thu, May 26, 2011 12:06:11pm |
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, May 26, 2011 12:06:45pm |
re: #121 Bulworth
I wonder how Sarah and the Teabaggers understand the move to replace the more state-controlled and limited government of the Articles of Confederation with the more centralizing tendencies of the Federal Constitution that emerged in 1787. You know, wait, never mind.
As of a few years ago the NPS tour of Independence Hall in Philadelphia emphasizes the importance of the building as the place where the Constitution was put together more than it being where the Declaration of Independence was made. Or at least it was a point of emphasis by the guide that particular day.
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ReamWorks SKG Thu, May 26, 2011 12:07:54pm |
re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist
I did a completely unscientific straw poll, asking San Franciscans on a Q&A site if, given several deaths caused by Baptisms, they should be outlawed in SF.
I got two replies, both "NO"
[Link: www.quora.com...]
Whenever Jews are involved, San Franciscans become irrational.
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windsagio Thu, May 26, 2011 12:09:19pm |
re: #135 reuven
It has to do with the other kinds of crazy they have ;)
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Simply Sarah Thu, May 26, 2011 12:09:37pm |
re: #131 Conservative Moonbat
Aren't these places the destinations for innumerable field trips during school? I know during my years in public education I visited the same 5 local historical sites several times and it got kinda old.
Oh, sure. I'm just not exactly sold on most students paying all that much attention. I'm an unending fountain of optimism.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 26, 2011 12:09:43pm |
re: #135 reuven
I did a completely unscientific straw poll, asking San Franciscans on a Q&A site if, given several deaths caused by Baptisms, they should be outlawed in SF.
I got two replies, both "NO"
[Link: www.quora.com...]
Whenever Jews are involved, San Franciscans become irrational.
Baptisms cause death? I know one of my high school friends was scared to death before hers, but that was because she couldn't swim.
The pastor was very kind about the whole thing.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, May 26, 2011 12:10:51pm |
re: #135 reuven
Whenever Jews are involved, San Franciscans become irrational.
I think it is an attempt to be consistent: they are also opposed to female circumcision (mostly practiced in Muslim countries) and found it a bit of aconundrum that they still allowed a similar practice involving males.
So why are Jewish men circumcised?
-Jewish women won't touch anything unless it's at least 15% off!
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ReamWorks SKG Thu, May 26, 2011 12:11:42pm |
re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist
Of course, the מקווה is another story. San Franciscans have their eyes on outlawing those, once they're done with the brit milah, plastic bags, and incandescent bulbs.
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Velvet Elvis Thu, May 26, 2011 12:11:54pm |
re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't want to have this argument again, but I will say, in defense of the City, I don't expect this to pass. It's a ballot measure, not a popular acclaim.
It is SF. By southern standards I'm a raging liberal but by bay area standards I'm something of a moderate, if not conservative.
I remember the last time I was in the Bay Area there was a city councilman trying to get the Boy Scouts banned from all public parks which left me pretty flabbergasted. Yeah, I see the logic of it, but still thought it was crazy.
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RadicalModerate Thu, May 26, 2011 12:12:35pm |
re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist
Maybe the bus is actually a tardis.
/Could Sarah Palin be a Time Lord?
Nowadays, whenever I see Sarah Palin, I image her as holding up a picture ID badge and saying.
"Sarah Palin. Former Governor of Alaska."
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windsagio Thu, May 26, 2011 12:12:45pm |
re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist
I just woke up so maybe messing up, but google doesn't seem to be able to find any examples of KIB's (killed by baptisms) ;)
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makeitstop Thu, May 26, 2011 12:12:45pm |
Maybe Palin's heading to the Northeast in order to save the Socialist enclave known as Vermont.
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windsagio Thu, May 26, 2011 12:13:26pm |
re: #145 makeitstop
so whats' actually more liberal, those guys or the West Coast?
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researchok Thu, May 26, 2011 12:13:37pm |
re: #135 reuven
I did a completely unscientific straw poll, asking San Franciscans on a Q&A site if, given several deaths caused by Baptisms, they should be outlawed in SF.
I got two replies, both "NO"
[Link: www.quora.com...]
Whenever Jews are involved, San Franciscans become irrational.
Ask yourself a question: Do you wonder about some guys junk? Probably not.
This is about getting attention and not much else. The morons who have endorsed the idea are happy. They are important now.
Even of they are still morons.
Me, I miss Sister Boom Boom.
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ReamWorks SKG Thu, May 26, 2011 12:13:46pm |
re: #144 windsagio
Here's one! [Link: news.ninemsn.com.au...]
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Vicious Babushka Thu, May 26, 2011 12:14:14pm |
re: #24 mattand
It also bugs me when whackjobs like her appropriate images like the Liberty Bell.
Well, she is cracked.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, May 26, 2011 12:14:19pm |
re: #142 Conservative Moonbat
I remember the last time I was in the Bay Area there was a city councilman trying to get the Boy Scouts banned from all public parks which left me pretty flabbergasted. Yeah, I see the logic of it, but still thought it was crazy.
I think it had to do with their rules banning gay scoutmasters
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Jimmah Thu, May 26, 2011 12:15:02pm |
re: #110 reuven
re: #91 Jimmah
This reminds me when Archbishop Cardinal O'Connor was appointed to Regan's AIDS commission.
Here are some photos of a protest I attended in 1987
[Link: flickr.com...]
This event was an eyeopener: I no longer trust cops. At this event, I peacefully had a sign that said "Archbigot O'Connor". I was attacked by an onlooker, who ripped the signed out of my hands and tore it up, knocking me to the ground. A policeman there broke it up, but then said "I didn't see anything" when I asked if he was going to arrest my attacker.
Retelling this story has gotten me out of Jury Duty a couple of times.
Heh. I trusted the cops up until the day I watched them shit their pants and go home after myself and others reported a violent extortionist.
"Eh, he didn't answer his door when we chapped it. What can we do?"
Jury duty though - thanks for the tip :)
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Vicious Babushka Thu, May 26, 2011 12:15:33pm |
re: #140 ralphieboy
I think it is an attempt to be consistent: they are also opposed to female circumcision (mostly practiced in Muslim countries) and found it a bit of aconundrum that they still allowed a similar practice involving males.
So why are Jewish men circumcised?
-Jewish women won't touch anything unless it's at least 15% off!
Male circumcision is NOTHING AT ALL like female excision. If it was, then men would not be capable of achieving an erection.
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mr.fusion Thu, May 26, 2011 12:15:53pm |
I'm going to start calling this an "Apology Tour" just to see if it catches on
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lawhawk Thu, May 26, 2011 12:16:10pm |
re: #115 ausador
Okay, I'll give you that, but then there's the question of who exactly Dr. River Song is and how she knows so much about the Doctor.
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Velvet Elvis Thu, May 26, 2011 12:16:12pm |
re: #151 ralphieboy
I think it had to do with their rules banning gay scoutmasters
And gay scouts, and technically even all non-Christian scouts. I'm no fan of BSUSA, but playing politics with kids recreational activities is something I don't go for.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 26, 2011 12:16:17pm |
re: #142 Conservative Moonbat
It is SF. By southern standards I'm a raging liberal but by bay area standards I'm something of a moderate, if not conservative.
I remember the last time I was in the Bay Area there was a city councilman trying to get the Boy Scouts banned from all public parks which left me pretty flabbergasted. Yeah, I see the logic of it, but still thought it was crazy.
Thing is, although some of the political classes are chipperly and ineffectually progressive, San Francisco is mostly a Democratic machine town, dominated by business interests and with a voting majority of middle-class people with mundane concerns. Think Chicago.
Berkeley, now, Berkeley is EXACTLY what people think San Francisco is.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, May 26, 2011 12:16:37pm |
re: #154 Alouette
Male circumcision is NOTHING AT ALL like female excision. If it was, then men would not be capable of achieving an erection.
I am just trying to get behind their line of thought- did not say I agreed or supported it.
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researchok Thu, May 26, 2011 12:16:46pm |
re: #144 windsagio
I just woke up so maybe messing up, but google doesn't seem to be able to find any examples of KIB's (killed by baptisms) ;)
Weird shit happens
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ReamWorks SKG Thu, May 26, 2011 12:16:58pm |
re: #151 ralphieboy
Personally, I think the Boy Scouts of America is pure evil. They like to be a private organization when it suits them, and a "public one" at other times. Staunch Libertarian Ron Paul votes for bills that give them public funds. (Explain that one!)
However, the standard to apply to them should be: "Would a Church group be allowed to do this." As far as I know, a Church group is free to use the park system, within the law, and to apply and reserve picnic grounds. The Boy Scouts shouldn't be treated any differently from other private religious organizations, whether it's Quakers, Catholics, Jews, or the Ku Klux Klan.
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makeitstop Thu, May 26, 2011 12:17:16pm |
re: #146 windsagio
so whats' actually more liberal, those guys or the West Coast?
Single payer health care, dude. Today, Vermont wins.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 26, 2011 12:18:20pm |
re: #161 reuven
Personally, I think the Boy Scouts of America is pure evil. They like to be a private organization when it suits them, and a "public one" at other times. Staunch Libertarian Ron Paul votes for bills that give them public funds. (Explain that one!)
However, the standard to apply to them should be: "Would a Church group be allowed to do this." As far as I know, a Church group is free to use the park system, within the law, and to apply and reserve picnic grounds. The Boy Scouts shouldn't be treated any differently from other private religious organizations, whether it's Quakers, Catholics, Jews, or the Ku Klux Klan.
My husband's an Eagle Scout. He doesn't plan to have anything to do with the Scouts until they get their shit together on gay issues.
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researchok Thu, May 26, 2011 12:18:44pm |
re: #158 SanFranciscoZionist
Thing is, although some of the political classes are chipperly and ineffectually progressive, San Francisco is mostly a Democratic machine town, dominated by business interests and with a voting majority of middle-class people with mundane concerns. Think Chicago.
Berkeley, now, Berkeley is EXACTLY what people think San Francisco is.
Berkeley is SF on steroids.
They even have a 'sustainable' deli and they let you know it. Over ands over and over.
Seriously.
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windsagio Thu, May 26, 2011 12:18:58pm |
re: #161 reuven
he was probably a scout himself ><
does anybody know, do they still give religion medals for non-protestant religions? Once they strip those out, that's the warning light >>
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researchok Thu, May 26, 2011 12:19:23pm |
re: #163 windsagio
goddammit, now I feel dumb :p
Hate google. Thanks tho ;)
I saw that and LMAO
There is no limit to weird shit.
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RadicalModerate Thu, May 26, 2011 12:20:15pm |
re: #161 reuven
Personally, I think the Boy Scouts of America is pure evil. They like to be a private organization when it suits them, and a "public one" at other times. Staunch Libertarian Ron Paul votes for bills that give them public funds. (Explain that one!)
However, the standard to apply to them should be: "Would a Church group be allowed to do this." As far as I know, a Church group is free to use the park system, within the law, and to apply and reserve picnic grounds. The Boy Scouts shouldn't be treated any differently from other private religious organizations, whether it's Quakers, Catholics, Jews, or the Ku Klux Klan.
Sorry, I just had to....
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, May 26, 2011 12:21:19pm |
re: #23 Charles
The more I search the phrase, the clearer it is that the word "fundamental" is in there very deliberately, to signify fundamental Christianity. This phrase is all over the religious right websites -- it didn't start with Palin. It's a far right Dominionist meme.
Really? Googling "Fundamental Restoration of America" -Palin (excluding results that include the term Palin) does not give a lot of results.
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ReamWorks SKG Thu, May 26, 2011 12:21:50pm |
Let me draw a parallel.
There was an effort to ban "Shark Fin Soup."
Why? Because the practice of "finning" is cruel and wasteful. They cut fins off of live sharks and dump the shark back in the water. In fact, this practice violates several religious commandments, including one of the seven Noachide laws that (some believe) is binding on all Humanity.
However, I, and every other Jew I know, was against this legislation. Why? It seemed to be specifically aimed at one ethnic group, and I can't judge how culturally and religiously important this practice is for them.
(Similarly, most Jews I know Including myself--even traditionally observant ones--voted NO on California Proposition 8. Why? Because they were afraid it would erode the separation of Church and State, a concept which is important for religious minorities.)
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windsagio Thu, May 26, 2011 12:22:48pm |
re: #171 reuven
you do know we had a huge brouhaha about htis a few days ago right? Might be why you're getting slightly less traction on it now :p
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Vicious Babushka Thu, May 26, 2011 12:23:47pm |
re: #171 reuven
Let me draw a parallel.
There was an effort to ban "Shark Fin Soup."
Why? Because the practice of "finning" is cruel and wasteful. They cut fins off of live sharks and dump the shark back in the water. In fact, this practice violates several religious commandments, including one of the seven Noachide laws that (some believe) is binding on all Humanity.
However, I, and every other Jew I know, was against this legislation. Why? It seemed to be specifically aimed at one ethnic group, and I can't judge how culturally and religiously important this practice is for them.
(Similarly, most Jews I know Including myself--even traditionally observant ones--voted NO on California Proposition 8. Why? Because they were afraid it would erode the separation of Church and State, a concept which is important for religious minorities.)
The "Jewish Journal" comments section has been completely swarmed by Teh Crazy, just like Fox and Yahoo.
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windsagio Thu, May 26, 2011 12:24:23pm |
re: #169 RadicalModerate
There's actually a Scouts card for INWO, but it had some weird name, and I can't find it in my current state.
Still creepy coincidence from the early 90's I found instead:
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researchok Thu, May 26, 2011 12:24:34pm |
re: #172 windsagio
you do know we had a huge brouhaha about htis a few days ago right? Might be why you're getting slightly less traction on it now :p
I missed that. I always miss the good stuff.
Of course, I can stir the pot by reminding everyone how much I miss Bill Buckley.
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windsagio Thu, May 26, 2011 12:25:50pm |
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albusteve Thu, May 26, 2011 12:26:09pm |
re: #172 windsagio
you do know we had a huge brouhaha about htis a few days ago right? Might be why you're getting slightly less traction on it now :p
I don't recall, could you be more explicit?....what was the subject?
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Rocky-in-Connecticut Thu, May 26, 2011 12:26:33pm |
what is truly hilarious is the "Fundamental Restoration" would have to get rid altogether of the Socialist-written Pledge of Allegiance snippet on the back of the bus. The Pledge was not even written until 1892 some 100 years after the Founding Fathers, and by a hard-core Socialist no less.
And the "Under God" phrase wasn't written in until the 1950's. Hardly a "Fundamental Restoration" if they include this Pledge- a concept that many if not most of the Founding Fathers would have been outraged to have been compelled to say.
"Fundamental Restoration" is a crock of stinking sh**. What the Palin/Beck crowd wants is a hard-right Christian Theocracy, and this is where they are truly dishonest in their sloganeering.
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, May 26, 2011 12:28:49pm |
re: #23 Charles
The more I search the phrase, the clearer it is that the word "fundamental" is in there very deliberately, to signify fundamental Christianity. This phrase is all over the religious right websites -- it didn't start with Palin. It's a far right Dominionist meme.
I don't know Sarah Palin, but somehow I doubt she'd be willing to take a back seat to politics or life - which is exactly what she'd have to do under dominionist theology.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, May 26, 2011 12:28:51pm |
re: #179 rockeid
What the Palin/Beck crowd wants is a hard-right Christian Theocracy, and this is where they are truly dishonest in their sloganeering.
But their dog whistle is right on pitch
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ReamWorks SKG Thu, May 26, 2011 12:30:41pm |
re: #179 rockeid
and we'd have to get rid of the "In G-d We Trust" on our money! (Something people who take the commandment against not taking G-d's name in vain would welcome.)
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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windsagio Thu, May 26, 2011 12:31:02pm |
re: #181 ralphieboy
It's koind of interesting tho', Palin seems to be a true believer, Beck more the opportunist type (which brings us again to 'which is actually worse?')
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 26, 2011 12:31:10pm |
re: #180 eclectic infidel
I don't know Sarah Palin, but somehow I doubt she'd be willing to take a back seat to politics or life - which is exactly what she'd have to do under dominionist theology.
There are always exceptions for the remarkable woman who's been called on by God to do a man's task. Elizabeth I, Phyllis Schlafly...that sort.
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zora Thu, May 26, 2011 12:31:41pm |
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Amory Blaine Thu, May 26, 2011 12:31:50pm |
Keep your government off my foreskin!!!!
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, May 26, 2011 12:32:42pm |
re: #171 reuven
The issue always struck me as one-sided as well.
A fellow friend, Zionist, and gentile, wrote a blog post on this very issue, just recently:
He is also a SF native, and holds the Chinese community there very close to his heart, despite his glaringly anglo origins.
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 26, 2011 12:33:19pm |
re: #180 eclectic infidel
I don't know Sarah Palin, but somehow I doubt she'd be willing to take a back seat to politics or life - which is exactly what she'd have to do under dominionist theology.
Under a suit, Alaska will finally release a large bloc of SP documents (email) fin Jun. It might be interesting to see exactly how much her administration was subject to Todd P.
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windsagio Thu, May 26, 2011 12:35:04pm |
re: #187 eclectic infidel
The shark fin thing is up there with bush meat in 'I'm sorry but some delicacies aren't more important than saving species' (and remember, its a luxury tiem not a religious service or anything)
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researchok Thu, May 26, 2011 12:35:13pm |
re: #187 eclectic infidel
The issue always struck me as one-sided as well.
A fellow friend, Zionist, and gentile, wrote a blog post on this very issue, just recently:
He is also a SF native, and holds the Chinese community there very close to his heart, despite his glaringly anglo origins.
It always starts with shark fin soup.
Before you know it, dim sum, dumplings and egg rolls are under attack.
The bastards
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, May 26, 2011 12:36:34pm |
re: #190 researchok
It always starts with shark fin soup.
Before you know it, dim sum, dumplings and egg rolls are under attack.
The bastards
I see the breaded chicken feet at dim sum and think of all those poor chickens stuck in little wheelchairs...
;)
/
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researchok Thu, May 26, 2011 12:36:43pm |
re: #186 Amory Blaine
Keep your government off my foreskin!!!
Just so we're clear: I don't work for the government.
And I still won't put my hands on your foreskin. Ever.
I just wanted you to know so you might sleep well.
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Charles Johnson Thu, May 26, 2011 12:38:42pm |
Here's another right wing politician using the exact same rhetoric: MEET DR. SHARMA | SHARMA FOR US SENATE
Dr. Sharma has educated himself on the Constitution, American history, and monetary policy. It is these concerns that has propelled him to pursue a political path for a fundamental restoration of America, not a fundamental transformation.
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researchok Thu, May 26, 2011 12:38:58pm |
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 26, 2011 12:39:16pm |
re: #191 oaktree
I see the breaded chicken feet at dim sum and think of all those poor chickens stuck in little wheelchairs...
;)
/
Upside
Think of all the little wheelchair manufacturing jobs it creates!
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 26, 2011 12:40:29pm |
re: #194 Charles
Here's another right wing politician using the exact same rhetoric: MEET DR. SHARMA | SHARMA FOR US SENATE
The structure of his statement makes me ask if he and the other TPs are phrasing "fundamental restoration" in contrast to an Obama speech?
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windsagio Thu, May 26, 2011 12:40:36pm |
re: #197 sattv4u2
Problem is, they cut out chicken medicaid in the Ryan budget.
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Bob Dillon Thu, May 26, 2011 12:41:10pm |
re: #166 researchok
Berkeley is SF on steroids.
They even have a 'sustainable' deli and they let you know it. Over ands over and over.
Seriously.
The good news is that Berkeley PD and First Responders are exceptionally professional and very experienced in dealing with nutcakes.
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Amory Blaine Thu, May 26, 2011 12:41:16pm |
re: #192 researchok
Just so we're clear: I don't work for the government.
And I still won't put my hands on your foreskin. Ever.
I just wanted you to know so you might sleep well.
I knew today was going to be a disappiontment.
/
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makeitstop Thu, May 26, 2011 12:41:25pm |
re: #190 researchok
It always starts with shark fin soup.
Before you know it, dim sum, dumplings and egg rolls are under attack.
The bastards
First, they came for the shark fin soup...
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windsagio Thu, May 26, 2011 12:41:31pm |
re: #198 Decatur Deb
Just occurred to me... as a general rule, restoration isn't what we want at all.
Lets go back 60 years to segregation and SERIOUS machine politics! Or maybe 160 years to slavery!
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 26, 2011 12:41:32pm |
re: #199 windsagio
Problem is, they cut out chicken medicaid in the Ryan budget.
All those chickens will now just have to wing it!
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, May 26, 2011 12:41:51pm |
re: #194 Charles
Yup. Nothin' says "American Values" like owning a 12 gauge.
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blueraven Thu, May 26, 2011 12:42:00pm |
re: #198 Decatur Deb
The structure of his statement makes me ask if he and the other TPs are phrasing "fundamental restoration" in contrast to an Obama speech?
I would venture to answer, yes. Yes they are.
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researchok Thu, May 26, 2011 12:42:14pm |
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darthstar Thu, May 26, 2011 12:42:51pm |
Palin's new house...looks a bit like bin Laden's compound from the outside. Elevator inside though.
[Link: www.540wfla.com...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 26, 2011 12:43:12pm |
re: #192 researchok
Just so we're clear: I don't work for the government.
And I still won't put my hands on your foreskin. Ever.
I just wanted you to know so you might sleep well.
Dan Savage has challenged a homophobic Canadian politician to give him oral sex. This guy insists that being gay is a choice. Dan insists that this guy can prove it's a choice by choosing it. On him.
Dan's argument rather misses the point on several levels, but I'm laughing too hard to care.
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alecmcc Thu, May 26, 2011 12:43:30pm |
re: #180 eclectic infidel
You assume she thinks these things through. For her it's all the attention.
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sattv4u2 Thu, May 26, 2011 12:43:35pm |
re: #203 windsagio
Just occurred to me... as a general rule, restoration isn't what we want at all.
Lets go back 60 years to segregation and SERIOUS machine politics! Or maybe 160 years to slavery!
Or maybe a time when discourse was civil, people held doors for each other, said please and thank you, and I didn't see half of someones underwear as I walked down the street
Just sayin!
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ProGunLiberal Thu, May 26, 2011 12:43:36pm |
re: #195 researchok
I'm thinking more a class. Like
"Baptism 101-How NOT to drown your parishioners"
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makeitstop Thu, May 26, 2011 12:44:05pm |
re: #209 darthstar
Palin's new house...looks a bit like bin Laden's compound from the outside. Elevator inside though.
[Link: www.540wfla.com...]
Is it going to be big enough to house her ego?
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darthstar Thu, May 26, 2011 12:44:27pm |
And some actual good news...Go Vermont! Single Payer health care!
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]
The legislation would make Vermont the first state in the nation to, as Gov. Peter Shumlin (D) said, make health care “a right and not a privilege.”The governor’s office just confirmed for ThinkProgress that Shumlin signed the legislation into law this morning, making the state the first in American history to pass legislation that will establish a single payer health care system to provide care to all citizens.
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researchok Thu, May 26, 2011 12:44:36pm |
re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist
Dan Savage has challenged a homophobic Canadian politician to give him oral sex. This guy insists that being gay is a choice. Dan insists that this guy can prove it's a choice by choosing it. On him.
Dan's argument rather misses the point on several levels, but I'm laughing too hard to care.
You need to make a page on this.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, May 26, 2011 12:44:41pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 26, 2011 12:44:57pm |
re: #200 Bobibutu
The good news is that Berkeley PD and First Responders are exceptionally professional and very experienced in dealing with nutcakes.
It's a weird town for a cop. You got ghetto, you got a big homeless population, much of it altered on all sorts of things, you got the students, you got the radicals, you got the regular people...
I guess many small cities have all of this, but Berkeley takes it to a new level in some ways.
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darthstar Thu, May 26, 2011 12:44:58pm |
re: #214 makeitstop
Is it going to be big enough to house her ego?
Nope...they're building a warehouse for that.
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Charleston Chew Thu, May 26, 2011 12:45:08pm |
re: #2 jamesfirecat
“Join the Fundamentalist
RestorationReimagining of America.” Sounds a bit more honest to me.
This re-imagined America contains too much CGI for my tastes.
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 26, 2011 12:45:17pm |
re: #198 Decatur Deb
The structure of his statement makes me ask if he and the other TPs are phrasing "fundamental restoration" in contrast to an Obama speech?
OK--here's a cache to Becks site--"Fundamental transformation" is his name for the President's "Cool Deal".
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Charles Johnson Thu, May 26, 2011 12:45:53pm |
Heh. LGF is now the first result for "Fundamental Restoration of America:"
[Link: www.google.com...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 26, 2011 12:45:53pm |
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, May 26, 2011 12:46:01pm |
re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist
Are people Christian by choice?
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researchok Thu, May 26, 2011 12:46:04pm |
re: #214 makeitstop
Is it going to be big enough to house her ego?
State will have to approve the curriculum.
Then get voted on by the State House.
Then get passed the SF City Council.
Then....
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, May 26, 2011 12:46:17pm |
re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist
Dan Savage has challenged a homophobic Canadian politician to give him oral sex. This guy insists that being gay is a choice. Dan insists that this guy can prove it's a choice by choosing it. On him.
Dan's argument rather misses the point on several levels, but I'm laughing too hard to care.
I think Dan is on point. For far too long, the religious wingnuts have been vilifying, defaming and demonizing gays. It's time for gay AMERICANS to hit back with equal vigor.
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 26, 2011 12:46:30pm |
re: #206 blueraven
I would venture to answer, yes. Yes they are.
Yeah-- I think Beck seized on that from a passing Obama statement. Still looking.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 26, 2011 12:46:50pm |
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wrenchwench Thu, May 26, 2011 12:47:25pm |
Not a lot of action on Facebook yet.
[Link: www.facebook.com...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 26, 2011 12:47:26pm |
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 26, 2011 12:48:47pm |
Youtube of the President's speech:
"We are five days from the fundamental transformation of
America."
[Link: www.google.com...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 26, 2011 12:48:58pm |
re: #227 eclectic infidel
I think Dan is on point. For far too long, the religious wingnuts have been vilifying, defaming and demonizing gays. It's time for gay AMERICANS to hit back with equal vigor.
Oh, I don't mind hitting back. It's just that choosing or not choosing to blow someone is, in fact, a choice, in a way that orientation isn't. It's a conscious act as opposed to an innate need.
However, the sentiment behind 'blow me' is certainly appreciated.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, May 26, 2011 12:49:00pm |
re: #231 SanFranciscoZionist
I read the Dan Savage article and his point was that this bigot insisted that homosexuality did not enjoy the same legal protections as say, race or religion because it was a "matter of choice".
Which I can understand regarding race, gender or physical handicaps, but religious, political or social affilialtion?
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 26, 2011 12:49:25pm |
re: #233 Decatur Deb
PIMF: "Fundamentally transforming"
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researchok Thu, May 26, 2011 12:49:41pm |
re: #229 SanFranciscoZionist
It's hard to drown anyone in the Jordan by accident. Although I think the water was higher in John's day--but it's always been sort of a glorified creek.
The Mississippi River it ain't.
Now, it just so happens I have a vial of water the Jorden, collected from the exact spot John baptized Jesus...the very spot...and the water has been blessed by a direct descendant of John himself...
Interested?
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darthstar Thu, May 26, 2011 12:50:20pm |
re: #160 researchok
Weird shit happens
Baptism is supposed to be more symbolic than anything else. It's not like they're checking a tire for air leaks. You just need to drizzle a little water over the person...I never understood full immersion baptisms - even for adults - especially for adults, actually. Grow the fuck up.
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lostlakehiker Thu, May 26, 2011 12:50:34pm |
re: #6 Alexzander
I am so excited for all the hilarity about to unfold. I really really hope she wins the primary.
No you don't. She shouldn't be within a thousand miles of the presidency. A throw of the dice, 80% Obama, 20% somebody like Huntsman, is a better bet for the country than 99% Obama, 1% Palin.
We cannot afford, ever, to have somebody so fundamentally unserious in that office.
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windsagio Thu, May 26, 2011 12:51:08pm |
re: #237 researchok
Twain was deeply deeply dissapointed to see the Jordan, lol.
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 26, 2011 12:51:58pm |
re: #237 researchok
The Mississippi River it ain't.
Now, it just so happens I have a vial of water the Jorden, collected from the exact spot John baptized Jesus...the very spot...and the water has been blessed by a direct descendant of John himself...
Interested?
I have photos of my daughter hanging from an overhead water conduit, to scoop a bottle from the Jordan near Dan. (She gave it to her pastor for the Baptismal font in Alabama.) Two kayakers are paddling by in the background.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, May 26, 2011 12:52:47pm |
re: #238 darthstar
Mormons practice a full immersion baptism because the symbolism, for us, is a re-birth.
I'm pretty sure Mormons have never had anyone die, mostly because we have a minimum age of 8.
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researchok Thu, May 26, 2011 12:52:51pm |
re: #240 windsagio
Twain was deeply deeply dissapointed to see the Jordan, lol.
After living on the banks of the Mississippi, anything other than the Nile, Amazon or Great Lakes would not have made an impact!
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blueraven Thu, May 26, 2011 12:53:26pm |
re: #236 Decatur Deb
PIMF: "Fundamentally transforming"
Beck has railed on this quote for years. Always presenting it as some nefarious secret vision, instead of political rhetorical flourish.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, May 26, 2011 12:53:35pm |
re: #238 darthstar
Baptism is supposed to be more symbolic than anything else. It's not like they're checking a tire for air leaks. You just need to drizzle a little water over the person...I never understood full immersion baptisms - even for adults - especially for adults, actually. Grow the fuck up.
Baptism was taken from the Jewish ritual of Mikvah.
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windsagio Thu, May 26, 2011 12:54:10pm |
I just finished that vid of the place the Palins just bought...
I think I'm actually disgusted.
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researchok Thu, May 26, 2011 12:54:50pm |
re: #246 windsagio
I just finished that vid of the place the Palins just bought...
I think I'm actually disgusted.
You have taste.
That is your problem.
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Charleston Chew Thu, May 26, 2011 12:55:02pm |
re: #107 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
When the Minutemen from Alaska stood up to fight the Godless heathen British communists, where were the Boston Liberals?!?!
Ah, yes. At the Battle of Concord, New Hampshire.
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 26, 2011 12:55:03pm |
re: #238 darthstar
Baptism is supposed to be more symbolic than anything else. It's not like they're checking a tire for air leaks. You just need to drizzle a little water over the person...I never understood full immersion baptisms - even for adults - especially for adults, actually. Grow the fuck up.
It's not symbolic for Catholics--it's a critical element of salvation. Failure to perform it, or a couple exotic variations, puts the soul pretty well beyond the pale.
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lostlakehiker Thu, May 26, 2011 12:55:06pm |
re: #183 windsagio
It's koind of interesting tho', Palin seems to be a true believer, Beck more the opportunist type (which brings us again to 'which is actually worse?')
Beck is worse. It's not even close. Palin's unserious, but Beck is unhinged. Or if he's not unhinged, he's a psychopathic manipulator---and all too good at it.
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, May 26, 2011 12:55:52pm |
re: #189 windsagio
The shark fin thing is up there with bush meat in 'I'm sorry but some delicacies aren't more important than saving species' (and remember, its a luxury tiem not a religious service or anything)
I've got a lunch date on Friday. She's on Leavenworth near Sutter..if I recall correctly, it is a short walk and a jump on the 1 to reach Chinatown.
She's an interesting combination of Turkish, blended with American values, yet a longing for the old world that she satisfies with tango dancing.
She also likes food - loves it - especially fusion dishes, and less than traveled flavors. For example, when i took her to Mission Chinese, we consumed bok choi with beef cheek and black bean sauce, and kung pao corned beef with chilis. Wonderful dishes.
I know she'll appreciate shark fin soup too.
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Nemesis6 Thu, May 26, 2011 12:56:52pm |
Why do the states have different colors on that image -- Some red, some brown, etc?
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researchok Thu, May 26, 2011 12:56:53pm |
re: #249 Decatur Deb
It's not symbolic for Catholics--it's a critical element of salvation. Failure to perform it, or a couple exotic variations, puts the soul pretty well beyond the pale.
I need to find a religion where the Eucharist can be celebrated with fried chicken, burgers, pastrami or burrito supremes.
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Bob Dillon Thu, May 26, 2011 12:56:58pm |
re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist
It's a weird town for a cop. You got ghetto, you got a big homeless population, much of it altered on all sorts of things, you got the students, you got the radicals, you got the regular people...
I guess many small cities have all of this, but Berkeley takes it to a new level in some ways.
True. The radical students at UCB (The Open Ward) are a very large voting block. Some strangely interesting people get elected to local government and then appoint their like minded associates into the bureaucracy. Its quite a social laboratory and a wonder that it functions at all. In fairness, there are some more traditional thinkers that get elected - thank goodness. The Berkeley hills are an exquisite place to live and visit.
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Kragar Thu, May 26, 2011 12:57:18pm |
re: #248 Charleston Chew
Ah, yes. At the Battle of Concord, New Hampshire.
Jesus Christ then led the Charge of the Light Brigade against the Barbary Pirates.
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windsagio Thu, May 26, 2011 12:57:28pm |
re: #251 eclectic infidel
I'm sure Rhino meat is excellent too ;)
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albusteve Thu, May 26, 2011 12:57:32pm |
re: #247 researchok
You have taste.
That is your problem.
I can't imagine anything being of less importance....talk about judgmental
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, May 26, 2011 12:57:41pm |
re: #253 researchok
I need to find a religion where the Eucharist can be celebrated with fried chicken, burgers, pastrami or burrito supremes.
My husband was a missionary in Spain. In one area, the local "pastor" was also a baker.
They had chocolate pastry once for the sacrament.
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, May 26, 2011 12:58:06pm |
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engineer cat Thu, May 26, 2011 12:58:27pm |
re: #238 darthstar
Baptism is supposed to be more symbolic than anything else. It's not like they're checking a tire for air leaks. You just need to drizzle a little water over the person...I never understood full immersion baptisms - even for adults - especially for adults, actually. Grow the fuck up.
like the idea of jesus as a sacrifice for sins, baptism is difficult for modern people to understand because the original jewish context of 2000 years ago is no longer familiar to us
at that time both men and women were required to immerse themselves in a mikvah, a ritual bath, in order to become purified enough to pray, and after "contamination" from various sources
john the baptist believed in a special mikvah and a special purification that was only possible in the "live" waters of the jordan - he didn't believe that artifical baths, even if they used "live" water, were sufficient. he also promoted a more profound and life changing meaning for purification by mikvah
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, May 26, 2011 12:58:28pm |
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McSpiff Thu, May 26, 2011 12:58:48pm |
re: #249 Decatur Deb
It's not symbolic for Catholics--it's a critical element of salvation. Failure to perform it, or a couple exotic variations, puts the soul pretty well beyond the pale.
Catholics have a somewhat odd view on whats symbolic and whats not... see Transubstantiation
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wrenchwench Thu, May 26, 2011 12:58:48pm |
re: #242 EmmmieG
Mormons practice a full immersion baptism because the symbolism, for us, is a re-birth.
I'm pretty sure Mormons have never had anyone die, mostly because we have a minimum age of 8.
What happens if a Mormon child dies before being baptized?
I'm from the "limbo" tradition, and it was always my least favorite part of the religion.
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, May 26, 2011 12:58:56pm |
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dragonfire1981 Thu, May 26, 2011 12:59:03pm |
How funny would it be if that thing broke down in the middle of Chicago?
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windsagio Thu, May 26, 2011 12:59:15pm |
re: #258 EmmmieG
Missionaries to Christian countries is always one of those things that blows my mind >
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windsagio Thu, May 26, 2011 12:59:48pm |
re: #259 eclectic infidel
You've gotta try the Angel meat! It's positively divine!
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, May 26, 2011 1:00:17pm |
re: #266 windsagio
Missionaries to Christian countries is always one of those things that blows my mind >
but, but, there's only ONE way to get to heaven, and everyone is right.
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researchok Thu, May 26, 2011 1:00:46pm |
re: #258 EmmmieG
My husband was a missionary in Spain. In one area, the local "pastor" was also a baker.
They had chocolate pastry once for the sacrament.
Clearly, we understand each other.
The Ben and Jerry Mission.
Has a nice ring to it, you know?
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engineer cat Thu, May 26, 2011 1:01:17pm |
re: #268 eclectic infidel
but, but, there's only ONE way to get to heaven, and everyone is right.
i heard that you can't get to heaven in a ford v8
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ProGunLiberal Thu, May 26, 2011 1:01:23pm |
Off topic, but this story show what a petty little shit Qaddafi is.
[Link: shabablibya.org...]
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, May 26, 2011 1:01:56pm |
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windsagio Thu, May 26, 2011 1:02:28pm |
re: #271 ProLifeLiberal
There's hardly a topic to be off :p
...
Seems like all the petty dictators end up pulling that kind of crap for some reason tho'
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, May 26, 2011 1:02:28pm |
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windsagio Thu, May 26, 2011 1:03:01pm |
re: #274 Cannadian Club Akbar
Sad thing is, I know him, and he actually drives a Mini day-to-day :(
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Bob Dillon Thu, May 26, 2011 1:03:26pm |
re: #242 EmmmieG
Mormons practice a full immersion baptism because the symbolism, for us, is a re-birth.
I'm pretty sure Mormons have never had anyone die, mostly because we have a minimum age of 8.
My daughter learned to swim (pool proof) when she was just a couple of months old. Babies take to it like fish - given the opportunity - and appropriate context.
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lawhawk Thu, May 26, 2011 1:03:42pm |
re: #255 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Jesus Christ then led the Charge of the Light Brigade against the Barbary Pirates and Capt. Jack Sparrow
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, May 26, 2011 1:04:10pm |
re: #263 wrenchwench
What happens if a Mormon child dies before being baptized?
I'm from the "limbo" tradition, and it was always my least favorite part of the religion.
In our tradition, children who die before they are eight are not held accountable for sins because they were too young to have a sufficiently mature understanding of right, wrong, and what a commandment is.
They go directly to God.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, May 26, 2011 1:04:21pm |
your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore, either:
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researchok Thu, May 26, 2011 1:04:29pm |
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wrenchwench Thu, May 26, 2011 1:05:07pm |
re: #278 EmmmieG
In our tradition, children who die before they are eight are not held accountable for sins because they were too young to have a sufficiently mature understanding of right, wrong, and what a commandment is.
They go directly to God.
Thanks. That sounds sensible. :)
/not planning to convert....
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, May 26, 2011 1:05:24pm |
re: #278 EmmmieG
In our tradition, children who die before they are eight are not held accountable for sins because they were too young to have a sufficiently mature understanding of right, wrong, and what a commandment is.
They go directly to God.
Now that is an aspect of Mormonism that I find a lot more rational than the Catholic approach.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 26, 2011 1:05:39pm |
re: #237 researchok
The Mississippi River it ain't.
Now, it just so happens I have a vial of water the Jorden, collected from the exact spot John baptized Jesus...the very spot...and the water has been blessed by a direct descendant of John himself...
Interested?
I wonder if it would match my splinter of the True Cross.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, May 26, 2011 1:05:47pm |
re: #282 wrenchwench
Thanks. That sounds sensible. :)
/not planning to convert...
But would you vote Mitt?
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wrenchwench Thu, May 26, 2011 1:06:47pm |
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Charleston Chew Thu, May 26, 2011 1:07:14pm |
re: #239 lostlakehiker
No you don't. She shouldn't be within a thousand miles of the presidency. A throw of the dice, 80% Obama, 20% somebody like Huntsman, is a better bet for the country than 99% Obama, 1% Palin.
We cannot afford, ever, to have somebody so fundamentally unserious in that office.
I agree about the danger, but on the other hand, sometimes the only way to defeat the kind of person who goes around criticizing the way other people do things is to put them in charge just to show how badly they suck at it. I don't want her to be President, but as the GOP nom, she'd have a chance to show people once and for all how unqualified she is for the job.
Which is why Trump never actually runs. He's knows that The Mystery Of Al Capone's Vault is only fascinating as long as you don't open it. Being at the top of the ticket would, I think, give Palin (or Newt or many others) a long overdue chance to show the world their own vaults are empty.
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, May 26, 2011 1:07:32pm |
I'D NEVER TOUR IN THAT THING!!
It's not a Prevost!!
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Hope that's a "Vinyl Graphic" Repainting that bastard will be expensive!!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 26, 2011 1:08:35pm |
re: #241 Decatur Deb
I have photos of my daughter hanging from an overhead water conduit, to scoop a bottle from the Jordan near Dan. (She gave it to her pastor for the Baptismal font in Alabama.) Two kayakers are paddling by in the background.
Friend of mine's grandpa was a Lutheran minister. He went on a trip to Israel and wanted to bring back water from the Jordan to baptize the grandbaby on the way. All he had was a gin bottle, so he finished the gin, rinsed the bottle out, and filled it with water from the river.
Explaining this to the El Al people on the way out was slightly complicated, but then again, they've seen in all.
Notes from a names enthusiast--during the Crusades there is a corresponding trend of children named 'Jordan' in Europe, signifying that they were baptized with water brought home from the Holy Land.
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researchok Thu, May 26, 2011 1:10:06pm |
re: #284 SanFranciscoZionist
I wonder if it would match my splinter of the True Cross.
I regret to inform you that you are in possession of a counterfeit.
Email me and and I can arrange possession of an original sliver.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 26, 2011 1:10:23pm |
re: #253 researchok
I need to find a religion where the Eucharist can be celebrated with fried chicken, burgers, pastrami or burrito supremes.
Well, be aware that the Hebrew word for 'apostate' derives from 'Epicurean'.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, May 26, 2011 1:10:57pm |
re: #258 EmmmieG
My husband was a missionary in Spain. In one area, the local "pastor" was also a baker.
They had chocolate pastry once for the sacrament.
Delightful.
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Charleston Chew Thu, May 26, 2011 1:11:41pm |
re: #262 McSpiff
Catholics have a somewhat odd view on whats symbolic and whats not... see Transubstantiation
When I was raised Lutheran this was used as evidence that Catholics were a bit cuckoo, which is why sensible Lutherans only borrowed about 80% of their religious doctrine.
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freetoken Thu, May 26, 2011 1:12:22pm |
The phrase has been used by her supporters for a while, which is probably from where she picked up the phrase.
E.g., the description of the following video from Nov 2010 is "The fundamental restoration of America begins..." :
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windsagio Thu, May 26, 2011 1:13:08pm |
re: #293 Charleston Chew
I bet you heard the term 'veneration of saints' a lot too >>
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 26, 2011 1:13:52pm |
re: #289 SanFranciscoZionist
Friend of mine's grandpa was a Lutheran minister. He went on a trip to Israel and wanted to bring back water from the Jordan to baptize the grandbaby on the way. All he had was a gin bottle, so he finished the gin, rinsed the bottle out, and filled it with water from the river.
Explaining this to the El Al people on the way out was slightly complicated, but then again, they've seen in all.
Notes from a names enthusiast--during the Crusades there is a corresponding trend of children named 'Jordan' in Europe, signifying that they were baptized with water brought home from the Holy Land.
She brought a Flat Stanley for her class back home. I think we performed abominations against three religions' holy places.
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Charleston Chew Thu, May 26, 2011 1:15:29pm |
re: #295 windsagio
I bet you heard the term 'veneration of saints' a lot too >>
I envied Catholics their saints because polytheism appealed to me (after reading about Greek mythology, etc), and saints were like polytheism on the down low.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, May 26, 2011 1:16:10pm |
re: #296 Decatur Deb
She brought a Flat Stanley for her class back home. I think we performed abominations against three religions' holy places.
Gee, and I only ever took Stanley hiking.
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 26, 2011 1:17:19pm |
re: #297 Charleston Chew
I envied Catholics their saints because polytheism appealed to me (after reading about Greek mythology, etc), and saints were like polytheism on the down low.
Accomodating that kind of syncretism was the key to much of the rapid spread of Christianity.
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 26, 2011 1:20:59pm |
re: #298 EmmmieG
Gee, and I only ever took Stanley hiking.
Hers was photographed at all the religious and archaeological sites. At least we had a yarmulka for him.
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Slap Thu, May 26, 2011 1:27:15pm |
re: #262 McSpiff
Catholics have a somewhat odd view on whats symbolic and whats not... see Transubstantiation
Did someone say, Transubstantiate?
Here, have some Lehrer....
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Decatur Deb Thu, May 26, 2011 1:29:04pm |
re: #301 Slap
Did someone say, Transubstantiate?
Here, have some Lehrer...
[Video]
Catholic school cheerleaders; "Give me a T, give me an R, give me an A..."
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Slap Thu, May 26, 2011 1:38:51pm |
re: #158 SanFranciscoZionist
Thing is, although some of the political classes are chipperly and ineffectually progressive, San Francisco is mostly a Democratic machine town, dominated by business interests and with a voting majority of middle-class people with mundane concerns. Think Chicago.
Berkeley, now, Berkeley is EXACTLY what people think San Francisco is.
Used to work in Berkeley. Great town for books and music purchasing, without question.
To me, the Berkeley 'thing' was encapsulated by three particular details:
1. Columbus Day (the date) is definitely observed; however, the city observes it as "Indigenous Peoples' Day".
2. Once, on a Friday, I had to scramble like hell to get blue-line copies of an architectural plan to the City admin offices so we could begin work on a project. Ran like crazy, almost got speeding tix, the whole magilla. Ran up the steps to the main City offices, and there were signs on the door indicating the city offices were closed "in observance of Malcolm X's birthday".
3. Some time back, in the wake of the Naked Guy episode and in standard Berkeley fashion, they passed an attempt at a gender-neutral law which banned ALL folks from going topless, regardless of gender. This has resulted in an annual observance of Breast Freedom Day, whereby participants head to Peoples' Park to let their freak flags fly. It's highly amusing....
But, it's the home of the original Amoeba Records, great restaurants, the Greek Theater (one of the finest outdoor venues, with the BEST view, I've ever attended) and gorgeous Craftsman and Deco architecture all over.
For me, the good far outstrips the odd.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, May 26, 2011 1:51:49pm |
re: #80 Decatur Deb
ACORN is manipulating the gas prices--we're down to 3.47.
I saw $4.07 for regular yesterday. Still at $4.41 for Premium, though. Lucky me, guess what my car takes.
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Mattand Thu, May 26, 2011 1:58:30pm |
re: #78 mr.fusion
Oh nothing drives me crazier than the way these people have confiscated the imagery and mythology of our founding...as if it belongs to only them.
Drives me crazy
In a similar vein:
I had the misfortune of receiving the The National Center for Constitutional Studies's The Real George Washington a few years back (a well-intentioned Xmas gift from some Fox News-addicted seniors.) The NCCS is one of those right-wing think tanks that pushes the "US is a Christian nation" meme. They're also highly praised by Glenn Beck, if that helps clarify things.
I knew nothing of the book's publisher at the time. Once I found out who they were, I took a hard critical look at the book. Long story short: the authors, to bolster their shaky hypothesis that Washington was actually anti-slavery, omit any reference to him signing the 1793 Fugitive Slave Act into law.
I was stunned. The complete intellectual dishonesty it takes to censor history while claiming your book tells the story of the "real" George Washington is appalling. Further research showed the authors also ignored the case of Oney Judge, an escaped slave Washington tried to abduct twice.
I wound up not finishing the book and sold it on eBay. It was a real eye-opener as to what some on the far right will do to mold the Founding Fathers to fit their own myopic vision of what this country is about.
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Robert O. Thu, May 26, 2011 2:57:28pm |
"Join the **FUNDAMENTAL** (wink,wink) restoration of Iran." - Ayatollah Khomeini, 1979.
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Petero1818 Thu, May 26, 2011 3:47:35pm |
I think Palin is playing a demographic game here. She is appealing to a bunch of older Americans yearning for yesteryear, thinking she can ride that group straight to the Presidency. It is the responsibility of every young person of voting age to get out there and assert that the progress of the last hundred or so years, socially, morally and ethically is not reversible.
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