CNN Poll: Giuliani Leads Romney Among Conservative Voters

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A new CNN poll has a surprise front-runner in the GOP presidential field: Rudy Giuliani.

According to the poll, which was released Friday, 16 percent of Republicans and independents who lean towards the GOP say they would most likely support Rudy Giuliani as their party’s nominee. One point behind, at 15 percent is Mitt Romney, with Sarah Palin coming in at 13 percent.

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1 Ojoe  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:01:07pm

Someone of Italian descent, could be good ...

2 Simply Sarah  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:02:25pm

Rudy at the front of the GOP field in a poll months and months before the first primary and where he's not really running much yet? Why does this all seem strangely familiar...

3 elizajane  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:03:10pm

Giuliani = the glorious past when it was Republicans who stood up to terrorists, and not the crypto-mooslim commie now in the Whitehouse.

Nostalgia is the Republicans' current drug of choice. In fact, it's the only thing that's keeping them going. If they could nominate the ghost of Ronald Reagan (minus his actual policies) they would.

4 lawhawk  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:04:42pm

And Rudy hasn't yet declared (and Mitt's officially throwing his hat in the ring next week).

I think this is still about name recognition at this point, more than positions and policy. This will most certainly change.

5 Simply Sarah  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:04:48pm

re: #3 elizajane

Giuliani = the glorious past when it was Republicans who stood up to terrorists, and not the crypto-mooslim commie now in the Whitehouse.

Nostalgia is the Republicans' current drug of choice. In fact, it's the only thing that's keeping them going. If they could nominate the ghost of Ronald Reagan (minus his actual policies) they would.

I think calling it the myth of the ghost of the myth of Ronald Reagan would be more precise.

6 kirkspencer  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:04:51pm

The line to watch is Ron Paul.

He's run so many times and gotten the same general percentages that his numbers make an excellent de facto constant.

If you're being out-polled by Ron Paul, quit. If you're not significantly out-polling Ron Paul, you aren't a leader.

With that in mind, look again at the gallup and cnn polls.

Romney and Palin lead Paul, barely, in both. In the CNN Giuliani edges out Romney, but still only leads Ron by four precent.

All the other names tossed about are BELOW Ron Paul.

It really is beginning to look as though "None of the above" could win the GOP nomination this year.

7 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:04:51pm

It's a bizarre result. Giuliani has a lot of positions that, while surprisingly sane for a Republican, should disqualify him among the right wing base. He's pro-choice, not a creationist, doesn't deny climate change.

Maybe they forgot.

8 sharona  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:06:13pm

I want to see a fiscal conservative Republican in the White House. Christian Conservatives are going to cost us a chance to win back the White House.

9 What, me worry?  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:06:16pm

re: #3 elizajane

Giuliani = the glorious past when it was Republicans who stood up to terrorists, and not the crypto-mooslim commie now in the Whitehouse.

Nostalgia is the Republicans' current drug of choice. In fact, it's the only thing that's keeping them going. If they could nominate the ghost of Ronald Reagan (minus his actual policies) they would.

LOL Since they seem to love to pick people who aren't actually running, Zombie Reagan is a shoe-in!

2012 is so a slam dunk for The O.

10 sharona  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:06:54pm

re: #7 Charles

Hence why I take some pleasure in seeing this. If it's Sarah Palin, I'm moving to Canada.

11 3eff Jeff  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:07:01pm

re: #7 Charles

It's a bizarre result. Giuliani has a lot of positions that, while surprisingly sane for a Republican, should disqualify him among the right wing base. He's pro-choice, not a creationist, doesn't deny climate change.

Maybe they forgot.

I think the key phrase is "independents who lean towards the GOP", which means they polled the base and the recently excommunicated RINO wing.

12 Simply Sarah  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:07:05pm

re: #7 Charles

It's a bizarre result. Giuliani has a lot of positions that, while surprisingly sane for a Republican, should disqualify him among the right wing base. He's pro-choice, not a creationist, doesn't deny climate change.

Maybe they forgot.

Maybe this is just the around 15% of GOP primary voters that haven't gone over the cliff?

13 What, me worry?  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:07:49pm

re: #8 sharona

I want to see a fiscal conservative Republican in the White House. Christian Conservatives are going to cost us a chance to win back the White House.

Fiscal conservative... hmmm.... whom might that be?

14 Petero1818  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:08:15pm

re: #10 sharona

Hence why I take some pleasure in seeing this. If it's Sarah Palin, I'm moving to Canada.

You are welcome here...if of course you can handle our death panels./

15 Interesting Times  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:08:52pm

re: #8 sharona

I want to see a fiscal conservative Republican in the White House.

There is not, nor has there ever been, such a thing.

16 okonkolo  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:09:02pm

Well, Rudy is still searching for his balcony and spotlight, and it's a weak field so I am sure he'll be tempted. But his strength is security, and Obama is not nearly as vulnerable in this area as he was in 08. I bet he'll do a Huckabee and cash in for a couple of months and then get a perching pundit gig for the primary.

17 SidewaysQuark  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:09:25pm

My interpretation: There's so many copycat more-conservative-than-thou wingnuts in the GOP that a single moderate runs a monopoly on the minority of sane people left.

18 Simply Sarah  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:09:53pm

re: #8 sharona

I want to see a fiscal conservative Republican in the White House. Christian Conservatives are going to cost us a chance to win back the White House.

I be happy to see an actual fiscal conservative get the Republican nod, it's just that the majority of the current party seems to have tossed that idea out long ago.

19 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:10:09pm

re: #3 elizajane

Giuliani = the glorious past when it was Republicans who stood up to terrorists, and not the crypto-mooslim commie now in the Whitehouse.

Nostalgia is the Republicans' current drug of choice. In fact, it's the only thing that's keeping them going. If they could nominate the ghost of Ronald Reagan (minus his actual policies) they would.

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20 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:11:59pm

There was a time when I probably would have voted for Rudy Giuliani, but that's way over now.

Unless the party goes through gigantic changes, I doubt I'll ever vote to put a Republican in the White House again.

21 wrenchwench  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:12:04pm

re: #17 SidewaysQuark

My interpretation: There's so many copycat more-conservative-than-thou wingnuts in the GOP that a single moderate runs a monopoly on the minority of sane people left.

That makes sense. They only other explanation I can think of would be desperation, but the wingers don't seem to recognize that desperation is in order.

22 sharona  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:12:05pm

re: #18 Simply Sarah It'sthose damn Christian Conservatives. They've just about ruined any attempt at bringing the party back to its original points of fact.

23 Ojoe  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:12:30pm

re: #9 marjoriemoon

I think the economy dooms Obama to one term & probably has so doomed him even before he was sworn in. He's in Herbert Hoover's position, I think.

24 lawhawk  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:12:50pm

Time to look at the crosstabs. Romney picks up the Rudy vote if Rudy isn't included.

Also, Rudy gets surprisingly strong TP vote, more than everyone else; Cain is 2d with 15% in that.

Question 29: Rudy also shows strongly with Independents, but lags in the conservative behind Romney and Palin (11% vs 16% for both, Cain has 13%).

Rudy has more support among women than others, including Palin (Q30).
Rudy has more support under 50 crowd than everyone else in field; Romney does better in the 50+ crowd (Q30)

Most polled are satisfied with the field - which sort of makes sense if you're including Rudy, Romney, etc.

25 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:15:03pm

re: #24 lawhawk

Time to look at the crosstabs. Romney picks up the Rudy vote if Rudy isn't included.

Also, Rudy gets surprisingly strong TP vote, more than everyone else; Cain is 2d with 15% in that.

Question 29: Rudy also shows strongly with Independents, but lags in the conservative behind Romney and Palin (11% vs 16% for both, Cain has 13%).

Rudy has more support among women than others, including Palin (Q30).
Rudy has more support under 50 crowd than everyone else in field; Romney does better in the 50+ crowd (Q30)

Most polled are satisfied with the field - which sort of makes sense if you're including Rudy, Romney, etc.

the TP is a mindless mob...get a strong one to go a certain direction and like the cows they are, the rest will follow

26 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:15:27pm

Wasn't he leading at this point back in the 2008 race also?

27 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:15:43pm

It is all a plot! After a very poor showing by the male candidates they will whip "sister Sarah" out and then proceed to win primary after primary once people are forced to either vote for her or support the Obamination!

///

28 blueraven  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:16:10pm

re: #23 Ojoe

I think the economy dooms Obama to one term & probably has so doomed him even before he was sworn in. He's in Herbert Hoover's position, I think.

I wouldn't bet on that.

29 What, me worry?  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:16:22pm

re: #15 publicityStunted

There is not, nor has there ever been, such a thing.

I would like to quote my friend, Stanley "Bing Fuckin O"

30 Simply Sarah  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:16:51pm

re: #24 lawhawk

I can't say that I'm surprised that Rudy and Mitt would do well with women, especially when compared to much of the rest of the field.

31 sharona  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:16:59pm

re: #23 Ojoe

What I have picked up from my more Lib friends is that they are angry with Obama on several fronts. The Greens feel he's abandoned them on global warming/climate change. The Anti-War folks feel he's gone completely off the rails on Iraq, Afghanistan and now Libya. The Progressives feel he's screwed them over healthcare reform, financial reform, yu-name-it. I disagree with him on A LOT of things. But the man is in a place he himself may not be able to get himself out of. Were he a stronger leader, he might be able to oull it off. AS it stands, the only way he'll be reelected is if the Republicans run a very weak candidate/campaign... which looks entirely possible based on some of the candidates I see (Palin, Bachmann, Paul, etc.).

32 What, me worry?  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:17:57pm

re: #23 Ojoe

I think the economy dooms Obama to one term & probably has so doomed him even before he was sworn in. He's in Herbert Hoover's position, I think.

I'd bet ya real money. No Republican is going to beat Obama.

33 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:18:10pm

re: #23 Ojoe

I think the economy dooms Obama to one term & probably has so doomed him even before he was sworn in. He's in Herbert Hoover's position, I think.

Herbert Hoover had things explode on his watch which makes the analogy a bad one in my position.

If Obama is lucky (and the GOP runs someone the public can't stand) then he could easily get a second term, like FDR.

34 makeitstop  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:18:41pm

re: #7 Charles

It's a bizarre result. Giuliani has a lot of positions that, while surprisingly sane for a Republican, should disqualify him among the right wing base. He's pro-choice, not a creationist, doesn't deny climate change.

Maybe they forgot.

If he follows the lead of everyone who's already in, he'll completely reverse those positions. And no one will bat an eye.

35 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:18:50pm

re: #15 publicityStunted

There is not, nor has there ever been, such a thing.

Heh. Great graphic showing the point too/

36 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:19:19pm

re: #1 Ojoe

Someone of Italian descent, could be good ...

Someone of Italian descent won't get it.

37 Ojoe  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:19:30pm

re: #31 sharona

I live in coastal northern California, about as left as it gets, and even here I see pickup trucks with "Obama Sucks" signs in their back windows, I kid you not.

IMHO He's a goner & we should hope for a good Republican.


Or Join the Modern Whigs en masse.

38 Ericus58  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:20:54pm

re: #8 sharona

I want to see a fiscal conservative Republican in the White House. Religious Christian Conservatives are going to cost us a chance to win back the White House.

I'm not sure that Christian principles apply to some of their ideas and goals....

39 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:21:15pm

re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist

Someone of Italian descent won't get it.

I predict a male of one of several colors will be elected...further he will have hair and wear shoes....bet me

40 darthstar  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:21:43pm

re: #37 Ojoe

I live in coastal northern California, about as left as it gets, and even here I see pickup trucks with "Obama Sucks" signs in their back windows, I kid you not.

IMHO He's a goner & we should hope for a good Republican.

Or Join the Modern Whigs en masse.

There are tons of red-neck republicans on the California coast...people think just because we have good dope growing up here we're all liberals--sadly, that's not the case. But at least the dope is still good.

41 What, me worry?  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:22:04pm

re: #24 lawhawk

Time to look at the crosstabs. Romney picks up the Rudy vote if Rudy isn't included.

Also, Rudy gets surprisingly strong TP vote, more than everyone else; Cain is 2d with 15% in that.

Question 29: Rudy also shows strongly with Independents, but lags in the conservative behind Romney and Palin (11% vs 16% for both, Cain has 13%).

Rudy has more support among women than others, including Palin (Q30).
Rudy has more support under 50 crowd than everyone else in field; Romney does better in the 50+ crowd (Q30)

Most polled are satisfied with the field - which sort of makes sense if you're including Rudy, Romney, etc.

Rudy is a dope. He decided he didn't actually have to campaign in 2008. Just threw his hat in the ring and that was the end of it. Lots of people wanted to support him then, but he just disappeared. Is that how he'd run the country? No one even remembers that now?

42 Ojoe  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:22:08pm

re: #39 albusteve

further he will have hair and wear shoes...bet me

Jerry Brown has no chance?

43 blueraven  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:22:24pm

re: #31 sharona

What I have picked up from my more Lib friends is that they are angry with Obama on several fronts. The Greens feel he's abandoned them on global warming/climate change. The Anti-War folks feel he's gone completely off the rails on Iraq, Afghanistan and now Libya. The Progressives feel he's screwed them over healthcare reform, financial reform, yu-name-it. I disagree with him on A LOT of things. But the man is in a place he himself may not be able to get himself out of. Were he a stronger leader, he might be able to oull it off. AS it stands, the only way he'll be reelected is if the Republicans run a very weak candidate/campaign... which looks entirely possible based on some of the candidates I see (Palin, Bachmann, Paul, etc.).

Your lib friends are misinformed. Also, he is a strong leader who has taken many courageous stands. I dont see anyone in the republican field as of now, that will win against him.

Unless the economy gets much worse, or some other terrible event occurs, I think Obama win a second term.

44 Simply Sarah  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:22:30pm

re: #31 sharona

I think it's probably way too soon to really tell what Obama's reelection chances are, since there's a lot of time for conditions to change and things to happen.

45 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:22:51pm

re: #37 Ojoe

I live in coastal northern California, about as left as it gets, and even here I see pickup trucks with "Obama Sucks" signs in their back windows, I kid you not.

IMHO He's a goner & we should hope for a good Republican.

Or Join the Modern Whigs en masse.

You say Obama is a goner and yet the polls keep showing him leading all his possible Republican Challengers.

[Link: freedomslighthouse.net...]

The closest one is Romney who is 4 and a half points behind and probably pretty unlikely to win anyway.

As boundless as the pessimism of democrats may be, I don't plan to start hand wringing while the poll numbers look like this....

46 blueraven  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:25:37pm

re: #37 Ojoe

I live in coastal northern California, about as left as it gets, and even here I see pickup trucks with "Obama Sucks" signs in their back windows, I kid you not.

IMHO He's a goner & we should hope for a good Republican.

Or Join the Modern Whigs en masse.

LOL...some bumper stickers in California = Obama loses

funny!

47 darthstar  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:25:49pm

re: #2 Simply Sarah

Rudy at the front of the GOP field in a poll months and months before the first primary and where he's not really running much yet? Why does this all seem strangely familiar...

Pollsters are desperately throwing shit at the walls and hoping to see something stick.
Gingrich! (Fuck! Did he have to say the truth about Ryan's plan?)
Daniels! (Damn...doesn't want the trouble of running against these other nuts)
Bachmann! - never mind
Palin! wait...we're not THAT desperate yet.
Huntsman! What do you mean...he's Mormon too!?!
Giuliani!
Huckabee!
Somebody call Hilary...see if she's interested in switching parties...we're dying here!

48 wrenchwench  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:26:09pm

re: #31 sharona

You might want to look at page seven of the crosstabs. Obama's looking a lot better than Bill Clinton did, and as I recall, Clinton was reelected.

49 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:26:12pm

re: #37 Ojoe

I live in coastal northern California, about as left as it gets, and even here I see pickup trucks with "Obama Sucks" signs in their back windows, I kid you not.

IMHO He's a goner & we should hope for a good Republican.

Or Join the Modern Whigs en masse.

Obama will lose some of the far left fringe, but pick up more independents. Unless the GOP quickly finds someone viable who focuses on the economy and can make a plausible case that he could do better, Obama has a second term locked.

50 Interesting Times  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:26:48pm

re: #45 jamesfirecat

As boundless as the pessimism of democrats may be, I don't plan to start hand wringing while the poll numbers look like this...

Don't forget the possibility of a "reverse coattail" effect - people so utterly disgusted with Walker/Scott-style Republican overreach that they'll show up just to toss local GOPers out of office, and vote for Obama while they're at it.

51 darthstar  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:26:58pm

re: #31 sharona

Thanks for your concern.

52 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:27:14pm

as BO's learning curve continues to flatten, I see no reason to saddle up another horse...the govt is dysfunctional enough as it is

53 What, me worry?  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:27:26pm

re: #31 sharona

What I have picked up from my more Lib friends is that they are angry with Obama on several fronts. The Greens feel he's abandoned them on global warming/climate change. The Anti-War folks feel he's gone completely off the rails on Iraq, Afghanistan and now Libya. The Progressives feel he's screwed them over healthcare reform, financial reform, yu-name-it. I disagree with him on A LOT of things. But the man is in a place he himself may not be able to get himself out of. Were he a stronger leader, he might be able to oull it off. AS it stands, the only way he'll be reelected is if the Republicans run a very weak candidate/campaign... which looks entirely possible based on some of the candidates I see (Palin, Bachmann, Paul, etc.).

Keep telling yourself that. (I know you have to).

Obama is adored by Democrats. That doesn't mean that some of us don't have quibbles with him, but overall, as I seem to recall, his last approval rating skyrocketed. Doesn't sound like a man who has everyone angry.

54 AK-47%  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:27:56pm

re: #17 SidewaysQuark

My interpretation: There's so many copycat more-conservative-than-thou wingnuts in the GOP that a single moderate runs a monopoly on the minority of sane people left.

I think that was the niche that Newt Gingrich was trying to occuy, but he is so disliked even within his own party that he is in single digits. Or is he down to decimal points by now?

55 Ojoe  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:28:27pm
the govt is dysfunctional enough as it is

Not a great endorsement...

56 SpaceJesus  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:28:43pm

haha, this is great

[Link: literallyunbelievable.tumblr.com...]

57 darthstar  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:28:45pm

re: #53 marjoriemoon

Keep telling yourself that. (I know you have to).

Obama is adored by Democrats. That doesn't mean that some of us don't have quibbles with him, but overall, as I seem to recall, his last approval rating skyrocketed. Doesn't sound like a man who has everyone angry.

I don't "adore" Obama...though he is cute as a fucking button...oh yes he is...who's a goodly woodly President? Yes you are! Yes you are!

58 Targetpractice  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:28:46pm

re: #47 darthstar

Pollsters are desperately throwing shit at the walls and hoping to see something stick.
Gingrich! (Fuck! Did he have to say the truth about Ryan's plan?)
Daniels! (Damn...doesn't want the trouble of running against these other nuts)
Bachmann! - never mind
Palin! wait...we're not THAT desperate yet.
Huntsman! What do you mean...he's Mormon too!?!
Giuliani!
Huckabee!
Somebody call Hilary...see if she's interested in switching parties...we're dying here!

There's still the hope amongst the wingnuts that Hillary will, without any warning, decide Obama is too weak to win in '12 and run against him.

59 makeitstop  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:28:59pm

'Obama is doomed' = wishful thinking.

Somebody name one of the Republican patsies that can match his rhetorical skill and campaign savvy.

Half of them act like they can't even tie their own shoes.

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:29:04pm

re: #47 darthstar

Pollsters are desperately throwing shit at the walls and hoping to see something stick.
Gingrich! (Fuck! Did he have to say the truth about Ryan's plan?)
Daniels! (Damn...doesn't want the trouble of running against these other nuts)
Bachmann! - never mind
Palin! wait...we're not THAT desperate yet.
Huntsman! What do you mean...he's Mormon too!?!
Giuliani!
Huckabee!
Somebody call Hilary...see if she's interested in switching parties...we're dying here!

Hillary was a Goldwater girl in her youth. Maybe she'll figure it's time to come home.

61 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:29:10pm

Obama is enough like GB that he might be another, long lost brother....dumbass republicans should be pleased...but nooo!!!

62 darthstar  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:29:44pm

re: #58 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

There's still the hope amongst the wingnuts that Hillary will, without any warning, decide Obama is too weak to win in '12 and run against him.

Yep...and if she were to switch parties, Fox would be eating the peanuts out of her shit to get an interview...and poor Sarah would be kicked to the curb.

63 blueraven  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:30:05pm

re: #55 Ojoe

Not a great endorsement...

But a great bumper sticker!

64 What, me worry?  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:30:22pm

re: #57 darthstar

I don't "adore" Obama...though he is cute as a fucking button...oh yes he is...who's a goodly woodly President? Yes you are! Yes you are!

Ok, adore is more of an emotional word, but I think I know you Darth and you can handle it.

65 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:30:36pm

re: #59 makeitstop

'Obama is doomed' = wishful thinking.

Somebody name one of the Republican patsies that can match his rhetorical skill and campaign savvy.

Half of them act like they can't even tie their own shoes.

what does either have to do with running the country?

66 Ojoe  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:30:48pm

re: #63 blueraven

Good rotating title too.


BBL

67 dragonfire1981  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:31:11pm

re: #10 sharona

Hence why I take some pleasure in seeing this. If it's Sarah Palin, I'm moving to Canada.

If its Sarah Pain I am moving BACK to Canada.

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:31:22pm

re: #61 albusteve

Obama is enough like GB that he might be another, long lost brother...dumbass republicans should be pleased...but nooo!!!

1. He is NOT!! He's socialist, anti-American soft-on-terror failure!!!

2. Also, we hated GB too, because he was also a socialist, anti-American, soft-on-terror failure!! We did!! We did!!

//

69 makeitstop  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:31:33pm

re: #65 albusteve

what does either have to do with running the country?

Not much. But they have everything to do with (successfully) running for the office in question.

70 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:31:54pm

I don't adore any politician, but I tells ya, walking on water is a very cool talent

71 AK-47%  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:32:10pm

re: #56 SpaceJesus

haha, this is great

[Link: literallyunbelievable.tumblr.com...]

check out the letters to the editor at [Link: www.landoverbaptist.org...]

It is a parody of a fundamentalist Christian religious site, completely over the top, but there are some people who still do not see the satire

72 wrenchwench  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:32:37pm

An interesting topic to me is: who will be the Democratic candidate in 2016? Because it will probably be whoever Obama replaces Biden with for the 2012 campaign. He certainly isn't going to waste the launching pad on Biden.

73 darthstar  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:32:40pm

re: #64 marjoriemoon

Ok, adore is more of an emotional word, but I think I know you Darth and you can handle it.

I think he's doing a pretty fucking good job of presidenting right now. I shudder to think where we'd be had the country chosen McCain/Palin...

74 What, me worry?  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:33:19pm

Holy moley, what's Obama have to do to get a little respect? Kill Osama??

Oh wait...

75 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:33:28pm

re: #69 makeitstop

Not much. But they have everything to do with (successfully) running for the office in question.

which leads to post partum blues

76 Interesting Times  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:33:44pm

re: #72 wrenchwench

An interesting topic to me is: who will be the Democratic candidate in 2016?

I want Gillibrand/Giffords or Gillibrand/Elizabeth Warren.

77 darthstar  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:34:13pm

re: #74 marjoriemoon

Holy moley, what's Obama have to do to get a little respect? Kill Osama??

Oh wait...

That didn't work. He could cure cancer, but he'd be accused of destroying the pharmaceutical industry.

78 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:34:31pm

re: #62 darthstar

Yep...and if she were to switch parties, Fox would be eating the peanuts out of her shit to get an interview...and poor Sarah would be kicked to the curb.

OMG you just busted me reading the internet at work!!!!

79 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:35:12pm

re: #72 wrenchwench

An interesting topic to me is: who will be the Democratic candidate in 2016? Because it will probably be whoever Obama replaces Biden with for the 2012 campaign. He certainly isn't going to waste the launching pad on Biden.

Rahmadahmading dong?....he's now doing his internship...he'll be ready

80 blueraven  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:35:18pm

re: #76 publicityStunted

I want Gillibrand/Giffords or Gillibrand/Elizabeth Warren.

I loves me some Weiner!

81 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:35:43pm

re: #72 wrenchwench

An interesting topic to me is: who will be the Democratic candidate in 2016? Because it will probably be whoever Obama replaces Biden with for the 2012 campaign. He certainly isn't going to waste the launching pad on Biden.

Obama won't replace Biden.

Replacing your VP halfway through your term is a recipe for disaster.

As for who will run for President in 2016 for the Dems... well Hillary will be 69, that's three years younger than McCain was when he ran in 2008 and Women tend to live longer statistically... it's not impossible she runs in 2016...

82 makeitstop  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:36:03pm

re: #75 albusteve

which leads to post partum blues

Well, yeah. Sharona's post is a good (albeit anecdotal) illustration of that.

While the Right is mad at O because they believe he's a Socialist, the Far Left is just as mad that he's turned out not to be a Socialist.

Buyer's remorse. It comes free with your favorite idealized candidate.

83 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:36:29pm

re: #74 marjoriemoon

Holy moley, what's Obama have to do to get a little respect? Kill Osama??

Oh wait...

even after GB killed Saddam, I don't think his popularity exactly skyrocketed

84 wrenchwench  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:37:12pm

re: #76 publicityStunted

I want Gillibrand/Giffords or Gillibrand/Elizabeth Warren.

You're one step ahead of me by picking the 2016 veep as well!

IMHO, it's too soon to talk about Giffords's future.

85 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:38:12pm

re: #83 albusteve

even after GB killed Saddam, I don't think his popularity exactly skyrocketed

Slightly different situation.

86 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:38:15pm

on the other hand, I think when Ike killed Adolf, it launched him into the presidency...you just never know

87 Targetpractice  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:38:23pm

re: #72 wrenchwench

An interesting topic to me is: who will be the Democratic candidate in 2016? Because it will probably be whoever Obama replaces Biden with for the 2012 campaign. He certainly isn't going to waste the launching pad on Biden.

Oh, I'm sure there's some young faces still left in the ranks, perhaps at the state level, who will be viable come 2016. My hope is that 2012 will be the final kick in the ass the GOP needs to realize that the socons are a cancer, a blight upon the party that either must be cut out or allowed to eat it whole.

88 theheat  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:38:45pm

Like Romney, Rudy would have to promise the moon to the Religious Right to find himself nominated. McCain had to drag Palin around, and I'm sure Romney would be similarly paired.

I can't support anyone who in any way gives them (the RR) aid and comfort. That's virtually every candidate the GOP has, or will have.

89 wrenchwench  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:38:46pm

re: #81 jamesfirecat

Obama won't replace Biden.

Replacing your VP halfway through your term is a recipe for disaster.

As for who will run for President in 2016 for the Dems... well Hillary will be 69, that's three years younger than McCain was when he ran in 2008 and Women tend to live longer statistically... it's not impossible she runs in 2016...

Hillary won't run. Biden will be replaced. Should we put money on it?

90 blueraven  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:38:57pm

re: #83 albusteve

even after GB killed Saddam, I don't think his popularity exactly skyrocketed

Saddam didn't kill 3000 innocent people in the USA. Also we hadn't been trying to get him for a decade.

91 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:39:59pm

re: #90 blueraven

Saddam didn't kill 3000 innocent people in the USA. Also we hadn't been trying to get him for a decade.

I thought GB gave up on OBL...now I'm confused

92 darthstar  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:40:07pm

re: #83 albusteve

even after GB killed Saddam, I don't think his popularity exactly skyrocketed


Saddam's trial was the only story on the news for months...the White House milked that for all it was worth...then his hanging was broadcast on Youtube and suddenly everyone distanced themselves from his capture because they didn't want to be associated with the lynch mob mentality it portrayed. It also didn't help that one of his deputies heads popped off when he was getting hung. Not good prime time entertainment.

93 goddamnedfrank  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:40:20pm

re: #74 marjoriemoon

Holy moley, what's Obama have to do to get a little respect? Kill Osama??

Oh wait...

A real man would have done it himself, and strangled Osama to death with his own beard.

94 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:40:41pm

re: #90 blueraven

Saddam didn't kill 3000 innocent people in the USA. Also we hadn't been trying to get him for a decade.

True.

Also, Saddam was captured in the context of the war, and executed by Iraqis. Bush could certainly claim some credit for taking him out, but it doesn't look as daring and classy as sending the SEALS to take him down and dumping the body on the way home.

95 ProGunLiberal  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:40:43pm

re: #80 blueraven

I see what you did there.

Obama is right now competitive in Georgia and South Carolina. That tells you all you need to know. Romney is the best hope they have (makes Pennsylvania and Florida competitive). But the chance of him getting the nomination is remote because of a number of factors.

96 Interesting Times  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:40:48pm

re: #84 wrenchwench

You're one step ahead of me by picking the 2016 veep as well!

IMHO, it's too soon to talk about Giffords's future.

True, but this is one instance where I'm allowing myself to be optimistic :) Plus, I think G2 could be a very cool campaign logo...

97 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:41:07pm

re: #93 goddamnedfrank

A real man would have done it himself, and strangled Osama to death with his own beard.

LOL!
well said
sorta my point, but much better

98 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:41:26pm

re: #93 goddamnedfrank

A real man would have done it himself, and strangled Osama to death with his own beard.

And if Obama had done THAT, what would folks be complaining about?

99 Targetpractice  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:41:34pm

re: #88 theheat

Like Romney, Rudy would have to promise the moon to the Religious Right to find himself nominated. McCain had to drag Palin around, and I'm sure Romney would be similarly paired.

I can't support anyone who in any way gives them (the RR) aid and comfort. That's virtually every candidate the GOP has, or will have.

And that's the reality of the situation. It doesn't matter what "good enough" candidate gets the top spot on the ticket, he/she's gonna find themselves lugging around a Tea Party ball-and-chain for VP.

100 lawhawk  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:41:37pm

re: #88 theheat

Balancing the ticket - finding someone with a geographical/political position that grabs a constituency that they think would win the only place that counts - the Electoral College and getting to 270.

101 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:41:40pm

I liked Rudy for his tough talk on terrorism but he has too many skeletons in his closet to get elected. Also I've warmed up to Obama's approach to terrorism. No lawyers, no complaints about waterboarding or Gitmo. Just shoot them unarmed in the middle of the night, drone strikes or simply disappear then into secret prisons, dump them in a hole in the desert, whatever. Obama get away with it because he's a Dem but I think his softer rhetoric allows him to get away with a lot of pretty harsh stuff. It works.

102 AK-47%  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:41:50pm

re: #98 SanFranciscoZionist

And if Obama had done THAT, what would folks be complaining about?


proof that he supports death panels

103 theheat  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:41:53pm

re: #92 darthstar

It was Rollerball or gladiator level entertainment. He was a horrible, horrible sonofabitch, but his trial and hanging - and all the hoopla around it - really hit a nerve.

104 goddamnedfrank  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:42:10pm

re: #83 albusteve

even after GB killed Saddam, I don't think his popularity exactly skyrocketed

GB didn't kill Saddam, the Iraqi government did, in amateurish fashion.

105 freetoken  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:42:32pm

The US House of Representatives' website appears to be down. It was up a minute ago... but now it doesn't even respond to pings.

I was looking up Rohrabacher's video from his hearing on the 25th... it's a conspiracy, I tell ya...

106 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:42:51pm

re: #104 goddamnedfrank

GB didn't kill Saddam, the Iraqi government did, in amateurish fashion.

I was literally jesting

107 blueraven  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:42:56pm

re: #91 albusteve

I thought GB gave up on OBL...now I'm confused

I dont know if GWB did or not. But the American people never did.

108 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:43:11pm

re: #102 ralphieboy

proof that he supports death panels

"Obama strangles man suffering from kidney failure to keep him off dialysis--do you want to live in an America where the president may strangle your grandmother to promote socialized medicine?"

109 goddamnedfrank  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:43:26pm

re: #98 SanFranciscoZionist

And if Obama had done THAT, what would folks be complaining about?

That he should have used his gay laser vision instead.

110 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:43:38pm

re: #89 wrenchwench

Hillary won't run. Biden will be replaced. Should we put money on it?

George H Bush didn't replace Quayle, his son didn't replace Cheney...

Presidents don't change vice president when they run for a second term.

I'm pretty darn sure the last guy who did it LOST HORRIBLY later on. (Need to check who)

I have $9.99 in my paypal I would bet you $5, that Obama will keep Biden unless he suffers some major health problem.

111 freetoken  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:44:15pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

Well, at least Rudy isn't a Mormon, which means he'll pass the religions test... oh, wait... he's a lapsed Catholic... PAPIST!!!.. er, um... APOSTATE!!

112 theheat  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:44:31pm

re: #110 jamesfirecat

I have $9.99 in my paypal I would bet you $5, that Obama will keep Biden unless he suffers some major health problem.

Verbal diarrhea count?
//

113 AK-47%  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:44:34pm

re: #110 jamesfirecat

I would bet you $5, that Obama will keep Biden unless he suffers some major health problem.

foot in mouth disease?

114 makeitstop  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:45:44pm

re: #113 ralphieboy

foot in mouth disease?

That's a feature, not a bug, so to speak.

115 wrenchwench  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:46:07pm

re: #110 jamesfirecat

George H Bush didn't replace Quayle, his son didn't replace Cheney...

Presidents don't change vice president when they run for a second term.

With a 50-50 record in the two cases you cite.

I have $9.99 in my paypal I would bet you $5, that Obama will keep Biden unless he suffers some major health problem.

You're on.

116 darthstar  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:46:46pm

re: #114 makeitstop

That's a feature, not a bug, so to speak.

Biden isn't the gaffe machine people pretend he is. Yes, he makes some eyebrow lifting things at times, but for the most part he's a pretty smart and straight spoken person.

117 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:47:57pm

Years ago I knew a couple that were engaged to be engaged.

(Making the rest of us look at them funny.)

If Romney is announcing that he's announcing that he's running next Tuesday or whatever it is, he has just effectively announced that he's running.

Follow?

118 Simply Sarah  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:48:22pm

re: #110 jamesfirecat

George H Bush didn't replace Quayle, his son didn't replace Cheney...

Presidents don't change vice president when they run for a second term.

I'm pretty darn sure the last guy who did it LOST HORRIBLY later on. (Need to check who)

I have $9.99 in my paypal I would bet you $5, that Obama will keep Biden unless he suffers some major health problem.

The last to have done it would have been Ford, who, indeed, lost to Carter (But not by all that much, really).

Prior to that, FDR changed his VP *twice*...although that was for his 3rd and 4th terms.

119 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:48:24pm

re: #116 darthstar

Biden isn't the gaffe machine people pretend he is. Yes, he makes some eyebrow lifting things at times, but for the most part he's a pretty smart and straight spoken person.

I disagree, it's just that the liberal media continues to sweep him under the rug...I mean you just can't let the guy out in public..."stand up for us Joe!"

120 darthstar  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:48:48pm

re: #117 EmmmieG

Years ago I knew a couple that were engaged to be engaged.

(Making the rest of us look at them funny.)

If Romney is announcing that he's announcing that he's running next Tuesday or whatever it is, he has just effectively announced that he's running.

Follow?

That gives him a few more days to collect as much money as possible from big contributors without having to declare where he got it.

121 theheat  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:49:03pm

re: #116 darthstar

In spite of his flinch inducing statements at times, Biden still comes across as capable and fairly likable. That's a plus. Hasn't screamed, talked about alien abductions, shared his squirrel recipes... It's something, anyway.

122 makeitstop  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:50:07pm

re: #116 darthstar

Biden isn't the gaffe machine people pretend he is. Yes, he makes some eyebrow lifting things at times, but for the most part he's a pretty smart and straight spoken person.

I've always liked the guy. There's a reason he kept winning re-election - he seems to be a very engaging person.

The Opposition has tried to turn him into the Dems' version of Dan Quayle, to little effect.

123 goddamnedfrank  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:50:22pm

re: #121 theheat

In spite of his flinch inducing statements at times, Biden still comes across as capable and fairly likable. That's a plus. Hasn't screamed, talked about alien abductions, shared his squirrel recipes... It's something, anyway.

Plus he drives a sweet Trans Am.

124 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:51:21pm

re: #115 wrenchwench

With a 50-50 record in the two cases you cite.

You're on.

Witness?

Also since you're so sure he'll replace him, who do you see him doing it with?
(That I won't take bets on since I have no ideas at the moment)

125 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:51:57pm

re: #31 sharona

What I have picked up from my more Lib friends is that they are angry with Obama on several fronts. The Greens feel he's abandoned them on global warming/climate change. The Anti-War folks feel he's gone completely off the rails on Iraq, Afghanistan and now Libya. The Progressives feel he's screwed them over healthcare reform, financial reform, yu-name-it. I disagree with him on A LOT of things. But the man is in a place he himself may not be able to get himself out of. Were he a stronger leader, he might be able to oull it off. AS it stands, the only way he'll be reelected is if the Republicans run a very weak candidate/campaign... which looks entirely possible based on some of the candidates I see (Palin, Bachmann, Paul, etc.).

Ehh, Obama was just supposed to wave his magical dictator wand and instantly have any legislation he wanted passed through congress regardless of the opposition. Never mind that it took months (years) of fighting and maneuvering to even get watered down versions of some of his legislative proposals passed. It is all Obama's fault for not making congress instantly turn this country into a liberal paradise!

/Damn that softie Obama for not declaring martial law or having the opposition summarily shot to pass the laws we wanted! (not that we are ideologically fixated to the point of becoming fascist or anything, why that would be ridiculous!!!).

126 Simply Sarah  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:52:00pm

re: #122 makeitstop

I've always liked the guy. There's a reason he kept winning re-election - he seems to be a very engaging person.

The Opposition has tried to turn him into the Dems' version of Dan Quayle, to little effect.

To be fair, I don't think turning Dan Quayle into Dan Quayle did all that much either, really.

127 theheat  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:52:25pm

re: #123 goddamnedfrank

Plus he drives a sweet Trans Am.

Psst - I kinda like Trans Ams.

I think the reason I can't hate Joe despite his flaws is because in a lot of ways he reminds me of Mr. Heat. The yin to my yang. The Eva Gabor to my Eddie Albert.

128 Daniel Ballard  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:53:42pm

Giuliani-Rice ticket? Now that would be worth watching especially if it were verses Obama-Clinton

129 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:53:55pm

re: #127 theheat

Psst - I kinda like Trans Ams.

I think the reason I can't hate Joe despite his flaws is because in a lot of ways he reminds me of Mr. Heat. The yin to my yang. The Eva Gabor to my Eddie Albert.

I don't hate individuals...I lump them all together, then I hate em

130 ProGunLiberal  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:53:57pm

re: #127 theheat

Think of Biden like America's Grandpa. Then he makes sense.

131 wrenchwench  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:54:56pm

re: #124 jamesfirecat

Witness?

Also since you're so sure he'll replace him, who do you see him doing it with?
(That I won't take bets on since I have no ideas at the moment)

I favorited my post as a reference. Since it is published and can be pulled up again, we have plenty of witnesses.

I'll have to think of who. I was fishing for others to throw ideas out. PublicityStunted threw a couple of good, but improbable, options out there.

132 Kragar  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:55:06pm

Meanwhile, we get meatheads like Rush telling everyone they can reach that only by pushing hard right extreme conservatism does the GOP stand a chance against Obama.

133 engineer cat  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:55:08pm

TRENDING: Perry 'thinking' about presidential run

it's considered advisable to get some experience and practice before engaging in public in activities you are unfamiliar with

134 makeitstop  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:55:25pm

re: #126 Simply Sarah

To be fair, I don't think turning Dan Quayle into Dan Quayle did all that much either, really.

True. But the 'Quayle as dummy' meme took hold a lot more than the similar Biden meme has. *

* With the exception of the wingnuts who love calling him 'Slow Joe.' They get as big a kick out of that as they do when they make teleprompter jokes.

135 ProGunLiberal  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:55:42pm

Also, Obama has an Approval rating of 51%. Considering where we are in his term, that's pretty good.

136 theheat  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:56:30pm

re: #132 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Meanwhile, we get meatheads like Rush telling everyone they can reach that only by pushing hard right extreme conservatism does the GOP stand a chance against Obama.

To quote Howard Stern, "Oh that fat bastard..." (Not all fat bastards being equal, or unlikable.)

137 goddamnedfrank  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:57:08pm

re: #128 Rightwingconspirator

Giuliani-Rice ticket? Now that would be worth watching especially if it were verses Obama-Clinton

Rice will never run, the GOP has a better chance of getting Solomon Grundy on the ticket.

138 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:57:11pm

re: #133 engineer dog

TRENDING: Perry 'thinking' about presidential run

it's considered advisable to get some experience and practice before engaging in public in activities you are unfamiliar with

like BO's vast well of experience?

139 Simply Sarah  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:58:10pm

re: #134 makeitstop

True. But the 'Quayle as dummy' meme took hold a lot more than the similar Biden meme has. *

* With the exception of the wingnuts who love calling him 'Slow Joe.' They get as big a kick out of that as they do when they make teleprompter jokes.

It probably also helps that Sarah Palin is no Lloyd Bentsen.

140 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:58:17pm

re: #137 goddamnedfrank

Rice will never run, the GOP has a better chance of getting Solomon Grundy on the ticket.

I read that the only executive position she would take is NFL Commissioner

141 windsagio  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:58:43pm

re: #137 goddamnedfrank

Must.... REsist....

**failure**

Youtube Video
142 windsagio  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:59:02pm

re: #135 ProLifeLiberal

Also, Obama has an Approval rating of 51%. Considering that he's black, that's pretty good.

FiXt

143 ProGunLiberal  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:59:45pm

In any case however, Obama will have to be on his toes this Hurricane Season. Mother Nature has been vicious this year.

144 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 1:59:48pm

re: #142 windsagio

FiXt

oh yeah...thanks for the reminder

145 windsagio  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:00:23pm

random ot lol

Image: 3635.jpg

146 blueraven  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:00:36pm

re: #140 albusteve

I read that the only executive position she would take is NFL Commissioner

Wish that she would!

147 ProGunLiberal  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:00:43pm

re: #142 windsagio

Hey, not what meant!

Let's put this way: Obama is more popular now than Reagan was at the same point of his first term.

148 theheat  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:01:00pm

re: #138 albusteve

Well, he'll have four more years of it than Perry, who still can't figure out how when you badmouth the Fed and talk about secession, then beg for Fed money, it seems kinda contradictory and classless.

149 Kragar  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:01:32pm

re: #143 ProLifeLiberal

In any case however, Obama will have to be on his toes this Hurricane Season. Mother Nature has been vicious this year.

Plus he will simultaneously have to stay out of the way and be seen at every disaster, otherwise he'll be seen as both ignoring it and injecting himself into the middle of it by his detractors.

150 windsagio  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:01:33pm

re: #147 ProLifeLiberal

I know you did'nt mean it, but I did :D

It cuts a guaranteed % off his approval no matter what... in addition to the ~35% you automatically get removed based on party :p

151 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:02:03pm

re: #146 blueraven

Wish that she would!

she said that in a televised interview...she's a monster football fan and I admire her a lot...and of course...she's BLACK!

152 darthstar  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:03:00pm

re: #145 windsagio

random ot lol

Image: 3635.jpg

Lard makes the best pie crusts.

153 freetoken  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:03:10pm

I HATES bathsss!

154 JamesWI  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:03:17pm

"You know what I think about the issues? 9/11. Our economy is struggling? 9/11. You want to see my birth certificate? Oh wait, I'm white, so you don't. But just in case....9/11."

155 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:03:45pm

re: #148 theheat

Well, he'll have four more years of it than Perry, who still can't figure out how when you badmouth the Fed and talk about secession, then beg for Fed money, it seems kinda contradictory and classless.

he speak with forked tongue...kinda like when BO said our involvement in Libya would be days at most (or whatever)

156 windsagio  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:03:51pm

re: #151 albusteve

As far as the socons are concerned, Rice has 2 shots against her immediately :(

Too bad, she'd be a great candidate.

157 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:05:09pm

re: #156 windsagio

As far as the socons are concerned, Rice has 2 shots against her immediately :(

Too bad, she'd be a great candidate.

I was not referring to a vice president spot

158 theheat  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:05:31pm

re: #155 albusteve

When did Obama say our involvement with Libya would take days? I only remember him saying he wouldn't put troops on the ground, in relation to our participation with UN backed coalition.

159 wrenchwench  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:05:31pm

re: #153 freetoken

I HATES bathsss!

I had to 'open link in new tab', but it was worth the 'effort'!

160 blueraven  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:05:57pm

re: #156 windsagio

As far as the socons are concerned, Rice has 2 shots against her immediately :(

Too bad, she'd be a great candidate.

For football commissioner? What do socons have to do with that?

161 windsagio  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:05:59pm

re: #157 albusteve

got my tracks crossed sorry ;)

162 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:06:13pm

re: #158 theheat

When did Obama say our involvement with Libya would take days? I only remember him saying he wouldn't put troops on the ground, in relation to our participation with UN backed coalition.

don't know when...at the beginning of the bombings

163 freetoken  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:07:13pm

re: #159 wrenchwench

Baby tigers are quite the opinionated little carnivores.

164 goddamnedfrank  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:07:41pm

re: #162 albusteve

don't know when...at the beginning of the bombings

[citation needed]

165 engineer cat  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:07:53pm

re: #138 albusteve

like BO's vast well of experience?

the activity i had in mind was "thinking"

166 goddamnedfrank  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:09:09pm

re: #165 engineer dog

the activity i had in mind was "thinking"

Haven't you heard, the editorship of the Harvard Law Review is now a prize dispensed by Cracker Jack box.

167 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:09:57pm

re: #164 goddamnedfrank

[citation needed]

too lazy...consider it retracted

168 ProGunLiberal  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:10:06pm

re: #149 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Considering the flood on the Mississippi, and the Tornadoes, I'm scared of what Hurricane Season has up its sleeve.

To date, we have had

Chicago ground to a halt
Memphis Flood

Tornadoes hit:

Raleigh
St. Louis
Tuscaloosa
Birmingham
Minneapolis
Joplin
OKC

At least $16 billion in damage, and at least 542 dead from Natural Disasters this year. What could Hurricane Season us?

169 makeitstop  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:10:21pm

re: #166 goddamnedfrank

Haven't you heard, the editorship of the Harvard Law Review is now a prize dispensed by Cracker Jack box.

Not to mention a side benefit of Affirmative Action.
/

170 recusancy  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:10:43pm

re: #91 albusteve

I thought GB gave up on OBL...now I'm confused

He did. The country didn't.

171 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:12:10pm

re: #170 recusancy

He did. The country didn't.

it's a miracle isn't it?

172 Daniel Ballard  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:12:22pm

re: #158 theheat

When did Obama say our involvement with Libya would take days? I only remember him saying he wouldn't put troops on the ground, in relation to our participation with UN backed coalition.

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

"In his meeting with Members of Congress today, sources tell ABC News, President Obama said he expected that the period that the US would be involved in heavy kinetic activity would be "days, not weeks," after which he said the US would then take more of a supporting role."

173 Kragar  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:12:38pm

re: #168 ProLifeLiberal

Considering the flood on the Mississippi, and the Tornadoes, I'm scared of what Hurricane Season has up its sleeve.

To date, we have had

Chicago ground to a halt
Memphis Flood

Tornadoes hit:

Raleigh
St. Louis
Tuscaloosa
Birmingham
Minneapolis
Joplin
OKC

At least $16 billion in damage, and at least 542 dead from Natural Disasters this year. What could Hurricane Season us?

I'm waiting for the melt to hit the West. Record snowpacks = record runoff

174 recusancy  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:12:41pm

The conservatives do like them some authoritarianism.

175 windsagio  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:13:56pm

re: #170 recusancy

that was still one of the stranger things I've ever heard a president say. What was he thinking??

176 theheat  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:13:56pm

re: #172 Rightwingconspirator

Okay, so this "supporting role" stage is a yet undefined length of time.

177 blueraven  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:13:58pm

re: #172 Rightwingconspirator

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

"In his meeting with Members of Congress today, sources tell ABC News, President Obama said he expected that the period that the US would be involved in heavy kinetic activity would be "days, not weeks," after which he said the US would then take more of a supporting role."


I think that is pretty much how it has worked out.

178 recusancy  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:14:51pm

re: #175 windsagio

that was still one of the stranger things I've ever heard a president say. What was he thinking??

He wasn't a thinker. He was a decider, remember?

179 windsagio  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:15:30pm

re: #174 recusancy

just heard on the radio a bit about how some Dominicans want Trujillo back. It's a scary time to be a hardcore conservative, the beasts are snarling at the gates. Ya tend to want 'order' then >>

180 windsagio  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:16:26pm

re: #178 recusancy

haha true :p

I just pictured Rove face-palming so hard that he fell out of his chair at the time >>

181 theheat  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:17:08pm

re: #178 recusancy

'I will not withdraw even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting me.'

Okay, have it your way, then.

182 Daniel Ballard  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:17:20pm

re: #176 theheat

It seems defined by ousting Gaddafi.

183 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:17:22pm

re: #175 windsagio

that was still one of the stranger things I've ever heard a president say. What was he thinking??

the thinking, the genius is that OBL thought GB was giving up the chase, so OBL predictably takes the bait, settles into a nice villa, becomes a static target with a trail, GB hands over the 3ft thick OBL file and BO's boys sniff until they get the scent, then close in and waste him....brilliant!

184 theheat  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:19:02pm

re: #183 albusteve

Actually, that may be exactly how it went down.

185 windsagio  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:19:02pm

re: #183 albusteve

OK I love that scenario, you should work for the onion :D

186 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:19:52pm

re: #184 theheat

Actually, that may be exactly how it went down.

nobody gave up...that's some myth

187 Varek Raith  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:19:59pm

Srsly?
Giuliani?
Mmmkay...

188 goddamnedfrank  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:21:08pm

re: #183 albusteve

the thinking, the genius is that OBL thought GB was giving up the chase, so OBL predictably takes the bait, settles into a nice villa, becomes a static target with a trail, GB hands over the 3ft thick OBL file and BO's boys sniff until they get the scent, then close in and waste him...brilliant!

Unfortunately for that theory according to the timeline OBL had been living in that same compound for over a year when Bush said he wasn't concerned about him. IOW he didn't take any bait, he just grew accustomed to dealing with an incompetent.

189 theheat  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:21:41pm

re: #182 Rightwingconspirator

Yes, it would appear that was the goal. Hard to set a date for such things.

190 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:21:45pm

re: #185 windsagio

OK I love that scenario, you should work for the onion :D

so GB shuts down the hunt for OBL, case closed...
so how does BO find him again so quickly after years of letting it go cold?...what's your story? and what makes you think the hunt was ever given up?

191 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:22:49pm

re: #190 albusteve

so GB shuts down the hunt for OBL, case closed...
so how does BO find him again so quickly after years of letting it go cold?...what's your story? and what makes you think the hunt was ever given up?

It wasn't. Just bullshit from our spooks.

192 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:22:57pm

re: #188 goddamnedfrank

Unfortunately for that theory according to the timeline OBL had been living in that same compound for over a year when Bush said he wasn't concerned about him. IOW he didn't take any bait, he just grew accustomed to dealing with an incompetent.

I made up my own scenario...make one up yourself

193 recusancy  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:23:21pm

I don't get the cognitive dissonance on the right: love of authoritarians AND individual liberty.

194 ProGunLiberal  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:23:57pm

You guys might want to read Sandmonkey's tweets. Egypt may be getting interesting.

"The MB 's attempt to put the entire country under siege of their vision is the building block of all dictatorship. " Guy on tv

195 theheat  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:24:21pm

re: #188 goddamnedfrank

He was the victim of bad assistants, complacency, arrogance, and porn. Plus, he had pretty secure digs down the road from a military academy.

I'd like to think it was porn that killed him. Bad quality porn.

196 wrenchwench  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:25:12pm

re: #193 recusancy

I don't get the cognitive dissonance on the right: love of authoritarians AND individual liberty.

Is that among different people on the right? Or within each individual? The former would make more sense.

197 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:25:14pm

re: #195 theheat

He was the victim of bad assistants, complacency, arrogance, and porn. Plus, he had pretty secure digs down the road from a military academy.

I'd like to think it was porn that killed him. Bad quality porn.

there is no bad porn. Just bad porn music. And scripts.
///

198 ProGunLiberal  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:25:44pm

Also, we know what the last minutes of Air France 447 were like. Not why yet though.

[Link: english.aljazeera.net...]

199 Varek Raith  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:25:49pm

re: #193 recusancy

I don't get the cognitive dissonance on the right: love of authoritarians AND individual liberty.

Freedom for me but not for thee liberal gay secular Islamist social commie unionists scientist bastards.

200 theheat  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:26:33pm

re: #197 Cannadian Club Akbar

Was it Steve Stevens or EVH that scored some pornos? Maybe it was Dave Navarro. I can't remember.

201 windsagio  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:26:48pm

re: #190 albusteve

I tend to go with what Recusancy was saying.

The country obviously never gave up looking for him, Bush just said something bizarre and stupid (with the possible addendum that he was largely a passenger in his own administration).

202 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:27:12pm

re: #200 theheat

Was it Steve Stevens or EVH that scored some pornos? Maybe it was Dave Navarro. I can't remember.

I wanna see Rob Zombie make a porn.

203 makeitstop  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:27:53pm

re: #200 theheat

Was it Steve Stevens or EVH that scored some pornos? Maybe it was Dave Navarro. I can't remember.

I'm pretty sure it was Navarro.

204 Targetpractice  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:28:13pm

re: #197 Cannadian Club Akbar

there is no bad porn. Just bad porn music. And scripts.
///

Pornos have scripts?

//

205 windsagio  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:28:21pm

re: #202 Cannadian Club Akbar

I... really do not. I have these visions of a whole bunch of hair and string-warts.

206 windsagio  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:28:36pm

re: #204 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

only the classy ones!

207 darthstar  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:28:46pm

re: #190 albusteve

so GB shuts down the hunt for OBL, case closed...
so how does BO find him again so quickly after years of letting it go cold?...what's your story? and what makes you think the hunt was ever given up?

Well, Obama re-started the search, and when the investigators looked through the piles of old data from 2005, threw out the crap that didn't serve a purpose, and organized the rest, they probably said, "Oh, the fucker's right next door to Pakistan's West Point military academy equivalent being ignored by Pakistani intelligence...let's kill the bastard."

208 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:28:56pm

re: #204 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Pornos have scripts?

//

EXT: A Front Door
A pizza man rings the bell.
/

209 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:29:04pm

re: #202 Cannadian Club Akbar

i see it coming out looking like a Roger Waters film gone full XXX.

210 makeitstop  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:29:07pm

re: #203 makeitstop

I'm pretty sure it was Navarro.

Thinking again - EVH did score one.

Navarro hung out with porn stars. Much better gig, IMO.

211 theheat  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:29:23pm

re: #202 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'd like to see him make a really good horror movie, first. So far his ventures in horror have been interesting, but not really outstanding.

212 Targetpractice  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:29:36pm

re: #202 Cannadian Club Akbar

I wanna see Rob Zombie make a porn.

Aren't snuff films illegal?

//

213 windsagio  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:29:56pm

re: #211 theheat

Devil's Rejects was pretty good, imo.

214 recusancy  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:29:56pm

re: #196 wrenchwench

Is that among different people on the right? Or within each individual? The former would make more sense.

No I think both views are held by the same people.

215 windsagio  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:31:02pm

re: #214 recusancy

freedom for me, the jackboot for all those folks who make me feel uncomfortable and scared!

216 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:31:03pm

re: #201 windsagio

I tend to go with what Recusancy was saying.

The country obviously never gave up looking for him, Bush just said something bizarre and stupid (with the possible addendum that he was largely a passenger in his own administration).

the country?...who's that, the citizens?...what you are proposing is that GB set up the biggest manhunt in history, a multi billion dollar operation involving every intel agency in the US, plus many from overseas, then suddenly stops the entire show for no apparent reason after several years?...presidents don't know everything that is happening in a situation like that and don't need to...why do you claim GB gave up the hunt and why would OBL consider him incompetent?

217 theheat  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:31:26pm

re: #210 makeitstop

Steve Stevens married one (though I have to admit I find her rather charming in an offbeat way). I think it was EVH that scored one. It isn't like I follow the industry closely, to be honest.

218 darthstar  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:31:46pm

If you're all going to watch that porn, you'll want to make sure you take plenty of this.

(yes, that's the second time I posted that image...totally safe for work if you're working from home today)

219 windsagio  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:31:55pm

re: #216 albusteve

lol

220 wrenchwench  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:32:32pm

re: #214 recusancy

No I think both views are held by the same people.

That seems to be true of Ron Paul, for instance, but I'm not sure whether he qualifies as "on the right". I think of him as being on the back side where the crazies come together.

221 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:32:49pm

re: #219 windsagio

lol

exactly the answer I imagined

222 freetoken  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:32:50pm

Not necessarily correlated (or causally connected) to the recent spate of tornadoes:

Above-Normal Hurricane Season Predicted

223 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:32:55pm

re: #218 darthstar

You REALLY need a hobby.
///

224 allegro  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:32:59pm

re: #168 ProLifeLiberal

At least $16 billion in damage, and at least 542 dead from Natural Disasters this year. What could Hurricane Season us?

As one who lives on the Gulf Coast I request that you SHUT YO MOUTH right now and do not draw the attention of the hurricane gods or put forth any such temptation to outclass the tornado gods.

Thank you. :/

225 darthstar  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:33:23pm

re: #223 Cannadian Club Akbar

You REALLY need a hobby.
///

My dad sent that - to about 500 people in his address book.

226 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:33:35pm

re: #224 allegro

As one who lives on the Gulf Coast I request that you SHUT YO MOUTH right now and do not draw the attention of the hurricane gods or put forth any such temptation to outclass the tornado gods.

Thank you. :/

I'll say it...BRING IT ON!!!

227 darthstar  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:34:21pm

crap...meeting time...yes, on a Friday.

228 theheat  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:34:51pm

re: #227 darthstar

Likewise, I have errands to run. Later, everyone.

229 BongCrodny  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:36:12pm

re: #201 windsagio

I tend to go with what Recusancy was saying.

The country obviously never gave up looking for him, Bush just said something bizarre and stupid (with the possible addendum that he was largely a passenger in his own administration).


Of course, after six years, it's not likely many folks would have believed him had Bush said "Oh, yeah -- we're still after him, 24/7. Top priority."

230 windsagio  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:36:18pm

ok this is intensely gross

(from DRB, who don't let you shadowbox pictures)

231 windsagio  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:37:19pm

re: #229 BongCrodny

Eeh, again. Worked out pretty well for Obama.

232 recusancy  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:37:21pm

GE Sees Solar Cheaper Than Fossil Power in Five Years

233 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:38:27pm

re: #232 recusancy

GE Sees Solar Cheaper Than Fossil Power in Five Years

Wow. Promoting their own stuff. WOW!!
/

234 windsagio  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:39:37pm

re: #232 recusancy

They really just need a good loan program (or maybe subsidies) to pay off the really intense startup costs for panels.

235 freetoken  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:40:03pm

Tepco Failed to Disclose Scale of Fukushima Radiation Leaks, Academics Say

As a team from the International Atomic Energy Agency visits Tokyo Electric Power Co.’s crippled nuclear plant today, academics warn the company has failed to disclose the scale of radiation leaks and faces a “massive problem” with contaminated water.

The utility known as Tepco has been pumping cooling water into the three reactors that melted down after the March 11 earthquake and tsunami. By May 18, almost 100,000 tons of radioactive water had leaked into basements and other areas of the Fukushima Dai-Ichi plant. The volume of radiated water may double by the end of December and will cost 42 billion yen ($518 million) to decontaminate, according to Tepco’s estimates.

“Contaminated water is increasing and this is a massive problem,” Tetsuo Iguchi, a specialist in isotope analysis and radiation detection at Nagoya University, said by phone. “They need to find a place to store the contaminated water and they need to guarantee it won’t go into the soil.”

[...]

Tepco has been withholding data on radiation from Dai-Ichi, Goshi Hosono, an adviser to Japan’s prime minister, said at a press briefing today. Hosono said he ordered the utility to check for any data it hasn’t disclosed and release the material as soon as possible.

[...]

It's going to take a very long time to sort all this out. In the mean time, confusion over the future of nuclear energy will increase.

236 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:40:22pm

re: #234 windsagio

They really just need a good loan program (or maybe subsidies) to pay off the really intense startup costs for panels.

Get China to make them on the cheap.

237 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:40:38pm

re: #197 Cannadian Club Akbar

there is no bad porn. Just bad porn music. And scripts.
///

Think they're bad to begin with? A good friend of mine moved to Japan and his first paying job was translating American Porn to Japanese. Sometimes it could be funny - "He thinks with his little head" became "He thinks with his Turtle Head" but mostly imagine trying to translate a porn version of Alice in Wonderland to modern Japanese and it gets strange fast.

238 windsagio  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:41:05pm

re: #236 Cannadian Club Akbar

really not sure that's a good idea ><

239 allegro  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:41:32pm

re: #226 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'll say it...BRING IT ON!!!

You enjoyed getting SMACKED?! *grumblegrumble*

240 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:43:17pm

re: #239 allegro

You enjoyed getting SMACKED?! *grumblegrumble*

Actually, where I am, back in the day, Indian tribes would come here during hurricane season because we don't get hit. And I don't think we have had a direct hit since the 1920's.

241 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:44:50pm

re: #234 windsagio

They really just need a good loan program (or maybe subsidies) to pay off the really intense startup costs for panels.

doesn't always work either...
[Link: marty4650-spincycle.blogspot.com...]

[Link: dailycaller.com...]

242 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:46:05pm

re: #236 Cannadian Club Akbar

Get China to make them on the cheap.

US companies already are...shoot from the hip, feel good politics but the reality only proves how vulnerable we are without a comprehensive energy plan

243 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:46:51pm

re: #241 albusteve

doesn't always work either...
[Link: marty4650-spincycle.blogspot.com...]

[Link: dailycaller.com...]

And then there is this...
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

244 allegro  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:47:46pm

re: #240 Cannadian Club Akbar

Actually, where I am, back in the day, Indian tribes would come here during hurricane season because we don't get hit. And I don't think we have had a direct hit since the 1920's.

I'm still traumatized from Ike. I spent that night huddled on the floor of a hotel with my dog between the bed and the wall with the hurricane blasting full force, ripping trees outa the ground and some drunk jackass shooting off a gun outside my door. The next day when the curfew was lifted and we could come home I saw serious devastation and held my breath most of the way home convinced I was homeless. Fortunately I wasn't but I do NOT wanna go through that again.

245 windsagio  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:47:48pm

re: #241 albusteve

I meant user-end, a year ago anyways it could cost $20k to install a full set of solar panels (as I remember it). That's tough from a homeowners pov.

246 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:48:37pm

re: #244 allegro

Where are you? (not exactly, just an idea)

247 allegro  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:49:16pm

re: #246 Cannadian Club Akbar

Where are you? (not exactly, just an idea)

Houston.

248 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:49:16pm

re: #245 windsagio

I meant user-end, a year ago anyways it could cost $20k to install a full set of solar panels (as I remember it). That's tough from a homeowners pov.

why don't you post what you mean?....it's a recurring problem for you

249 windsagio  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:50:39pm

re: #248 albusteve

I do tho'! Just sometimes people take it the wrong wya :D

250 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:50:43pm

re: #247 allegro

Houston.

Not sure if you have ever seen any of my post in regards to people not being ready for hurricane season, but I rip stoopid people apart.:)

251 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:51:14pm

re: #249 windsagio

I do tho'! Just sometimes people take it the wrong wya :D

WTF is that suppose to mean!!!
///

252 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:51:31pm

re: #249 windsagio

I do tho'! Just sometimes people take it the wrong wya :D

well duh...the end user costs are so high because of what?

253 allegro  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:53:37pm

re: #250 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not sure if you have ever seen any of my post in regards to people not being ready for hurricane season, but I rip stoopid people apart.:)

One can be ready in some ways but never really prepared for what hits. Ike was heading far away from us until about 24 hours before landfall when it swung north suddenly heading right at us. That makes it hard to get outa town if you want to with millions of others with the same idea. I had no problem staying in town but I live in a motorhome and it was too late to get it out.

254 windsagio  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:54:58pm

re: #252 albusteve

Its been a while, but my memory is that the panels themselves, but also sizable instillation and wiring costs.

The article just talks about ongoing price, there's a serious problem wiht both utilities and consumers with getting capital to upgrade their systems.

It's already a huge problem in the US. Plenty of things could be cheaper and more efficient in the long-run, but the shortterm cost of replacing the old systems is too high.

255 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:55:39pm

re: #253 allegro

One can be ready in some ways but never really prepared for what hits. Ike was heading far away from us until about 24 hours before landfall when it swung north suddenly heading right at us. That makes it hard to get outa town if you want to with millions of others with the same idea. I had no problem staying in town but I live in a motorhome and it was too late to get it out.

lash a bunch of plastic barrels onto the sides, figure out some steering mechanism and just go with the flow

256 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:55:50pm

re: #253 allegro

One can be ready in some ways but never really prepared for what hits. Ike was heading far away from us until about 24 hours before landfall when it swung north suddenly heading right at us. That makes it hard to get outa town if you want to with millions of others with the same idea. I had no problem staying in town but I live in a motorhome and it was too late to get it out.

Same happened in Punta Gorda hear with Charlie. Was supposed to hit Tampa and made a sudden right. Also went from a 2 to a 4 in a couple hours. And you're right, you need to decide whether you are leaving or not about 36 hours prior.

257 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:55:55pm

re: #147 ProLifeLiberal

Hey, not what meant!

Let's put this way: Obama is more popular now than Reagan was at the same point of his first term.

Reagan went on TV and basically told the public, "Hey I tried some stuff and perhaps it hasn't worked out as well as I had hoped, but at least I tried, I also swear that I have learned from my failures and I promise you that the next four years will be better."

OK, so that is not at all what he said verbatim, but that was the message I and millions of others heard when we saw the speech. He was humble, he admitted wrong, he promised to do better.

Based on that he got my vote, again, and probably a hell of a lot of others too...and the second term was one hell of a lot better than his first. :p

258 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:56:23pm

re: #255 albusteve

lash a bunch of plastic barrels onto the sides, figure out some steering mechanism and just go with the flow

I don't think he's Cuban.
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259 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:57:06pm

Gotta mow!! BBL.

260 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:57:28pm

re: #258 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don't think he's Cuban.
///

he might be when he finds dry land again

261 allegro  Fri, May 27, 2011 2:58:03pm

re: #255 albusteve

lash a bunch of plastic barrels onto the sides, figure out some steering mechanism and just go with the flow

Heh. It wasn't the water I was worried about as much as the projected 90 mph sustained winds. My next door neighbor and I discussed what we were gonna do with our new "double-wide" RV after the storm.

262 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 3:00:34pm

re: #261 allegro

Heh. It wasn't the water I was worried about as much as the projected 90 mph sustained winds. My next door neighbor and I discussed what we were gonna do with our new "double-wide" RV after the storm.

here's how I manage 'canes
[Link: www.strangevehicles.com...]

263 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 27, 2011 3:04:04pm

re: #3 elizajane

Giuliani = the glorious past when it was Republicans who stood up to terrorists, and not the crypto-mooslim commie now in the Whitehouse.

Nostalgia is the Republicans' current drug of choice. In fact, it's the only thing that's keeping them going. If they could nominate the ghost of Ronald Reagan (minus his actual policies) they would.

Well, to be fair, Rudy is also someone with a record of executive accomplishment, which cannot be said about most of the field. He's also not a wingnut, but neither is it possible to call him 'soft' or 'weak'. He likely could not gain the nomination, but he would be an effective and morally decent president.

264 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, May 27, 2011 3:08:44pm

re: #263 Dark_Falcon

Well, to be fair, Rudy is also someone with a record of executive accomplishment, which cannot be said about most of the field. He's also not a wingnut, but neither is it possible to call him 'soft' or 'weak'. He likely could not gain the nomination, but he would be an effective and morally decent president.

OT sorry: Hey Dark, I need someone else knowledgeable about firearms to say something about pig fat as a gun lubricant over here... (sounds like it really should be a joke doesn't it?)

265 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, May 27, 2011 3:09:25pm

re: #264 ausador

OT sorry: Hey Dark, I need someone else knowledgeable about firearms to say something about pig fat as a gun lubricant over here... (sounds like it really should be a joke doesn't it?)

Oops... [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

266 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, May 27, 2011 3:10:57pm

re: #264 ausador

OT sorry: Hey Dark, I need someone else knowledgeable about firearms to say something about pig fat as a gun lubricant over here... (sounds like it really should be a joke doesn't it?)

That has got to be the stupidest thing I've heard of since I first read of the Chauchat, the worst issue firearm in history.

267 makeitstop  Fri, May 27, 2011 3:12:46pm

re: #263 Dark_Falcon

Well, to be fair, Rudy is also someone with a record of executive accomplishment, which cannot be said about most of the field. He's also not a wingnut, but neither is it possible to call him 'soft' or 'weak'. He likely could not gain the nomination, but he would be an effective and morally decent president.

As US Attorney and mayor of NYC, Rudy had quite a vindictive streak. He may have grown out of it, but he was known as someone who would prosecute people to settle political scores.

And his backing of Bernie Kerik and his Gingrich-esque treatment of his wife Donna Hanover suggests that he lacks judgment.

268 windsagio  Fri, May 27, 2011 3:18:12pm

It's been too long since 9/11 for him to win at this point anyways.

269 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 27, 2011 3:22:23pm

re: #267 makeitstop

As US Attorney and mayor of NYC, Rudy had quite a vindictive streak. He may have grown out of it, but he was known as someone who would prosecute people to settle political scores.

And his backing of Bernie Kerik and his Gingrich-esque treatment of his wife Donna Hanover suggests that he lacks judgment.

I don't really see his treatment of his wife as him lacking judgment, I see it as him not really caring much about the institution of marriage. His wife had ceased to please, so he replaced her. It was a bad thing to do, though, and I do fault him for it.

270 makeitstop  Fri, May 27, 2011 3:25:40pm

re: #269 Dark_Falcon

I don't really see his treatment of his wife as him lacking judgment, I see it as him not really caring much about the institution of marriage. His wife had ceased to please, so he replaced her. It was a bad thing to do, though, and I do fault him for it.

Hold up. The guy was having his new wife sleep over at Gracie Mansion while Donna and the kids were there. He announced his separation from Hanover on TV, before he even clued her in. She learned about it by watching the 6:00 news, like any other citizen of New York City did.

That's lousy judgment if you ask me.

271 albusteve  Fri, May 27, 2011 3:28:04pm

re: #270 makeitstop

Hold up. The guy was having his new wife sleep over at Gracie Mansion while Donna and the kids were there. He announced his separation from Hanover on TV, before he even clued her in. She learned about it by watching the 6:00 news, like any other citizen of New York City did.

That's lousy judgment if you ask me.

and it's probably mostly heresay...did you learn this from Fox?

272 makeitstop  Fri, May 27, 2011 3:33:24pm

re: #271 albusteve

and it's probably mostly heresay...did you learn this from Fox?

Sorry, Steve. It's all a matter of public record.

And let's not even get into the judgment it took to hang with his mistress in Southampton on weekends and charge it to various city agencies. Or set up a little love nest in the city's Emergency Control Center. Or pushing Bernie Kerik - since shown as a common criminal - to head up Homeland Security. Or trading tax breaks with the Yankees for World Series rings.

That's all probably hearsay, too. Right?

273 Lidane  Fri, May 27, 2011 3:52:34pm

re: #8 sharona

I want to see a fiscal conservative Republican in the White House. Christian Conservatives are going to cost us a chance to win back the White House.

LOL @ "fiscal conservative". There aren't any. They haven't existed in the GOP in at least 30 years. Anyone who keeps falling for the lie that the GOP are about fiscal responsibility is fooling themselves.

274 windsagio  Fri, May 27, 2011 3:55:08pm

re: #273 Lidane

It used to be "Cut taxes and spend more" vs. "Raise taxes and spend more", but the Dems have come around.

275 Laughing Gas  Fri, May 27, 2011 8:09:14pm

Giuliani has a serious paranoid streak, and a massive ego; why else would he fire William Bratton at his peak? Buyer beware.

276 Flavia  Fri, May 27, 2011 8:36:34pm

re: #31 sharona

What I have picked up from my more Lib friends is that they are angry with Obama on several fronts. The Greens feel he's abandoned them on global warming/climate change. The Anti-War folks feel he's gone completely off the rails on Iraq, Afghanistan and now Libya. The Progressives feel he's screwed them over healthcare reform, financial reform, yu-name-it. I disagree with him on A LOT of things. But the man is in a place he himself may not be able to get himself out of. Were he a stronger leader, he might be able to oull it off. AS it stands, the only way he'll be reelected is if the Republicans run a very weak candidate/campaign... which looks entirely possible based on some of the candidates I see (Palin, Bachmann, Paul, etc.).

& he's ticked off the Jews.

277 moderatelyradicalliberal  Fri, May 27, 2011 8:45:34pm

re: #108 SanFranciscoZionist

"Obama strangles man suffering from kidney failure to keep him off dialysis--do you want to live in an America where the president may strangle your grandmother to promote socialized medicine?"

"Black man kills sick elderly gentleman in his own home in the middle of the night while his family watches in horror!"


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