Saudi Prince: ‘We Don’t Want the West to Find Alternatives’

‘At the end of the day, the United States is down, but it is not out’
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Saudi prince Al-Waleed bin Talal calls for lower oil prices.

(CNN) — Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal said Sunday that he wants oil prices to drop so that the United States and Europe don’t accelerate efforts to wean themselves off his country’s supply.

In an interview broadcast Sunday on “CNN’s Fareed Zakaria GPS,” the grandson of the founding king of modern Saudi Arabia said the oil price should be somewhere between $70 and $80 a barrel, rather than the current level of over $100 a barrel.

“We don’t want the West to go and find alternatives, because, clearly, the higher the price of oil goes, the more they have incentives to go and find alternatives,” said Talal, who is listed by Forbes as the 26th richest man in the world.

Doesn’t that make you want to buy an electric car?

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482 comments
1 windsagio  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:16:10pm

In a weird way, it makes me willing to pay $4 dollar a gallon gas.

I really can’t think of a more evil country in the world than Saudi Arabia.

2 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:16:42pm
Doesn’t that make you want to buy an electric car?

You buy it, I’ll drive it.

3 austin_blue  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:16:46pm

Please, please, please, don’t shit in our Magic Sandbox!

4 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:17:00pm

This would seem to me to be obvious.

Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t still keep trying.

5 windsagio  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:18:47pm

re: #4 EmmmieG

I’m sorry, I feel dumb, keep trying what? ><

6 researchok  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:19:00pm

Yeah, just asking us will make us want to stay and pay the candyman.
//

7 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:19:33pm

re: #5 windsagio

I’m sorry, I feel dumb, keep trying what? ><

To develop alternate, non-Saudi provided sources of power.

8 albusteve  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:19:56pm

refreshing to hear the truth for once

9 windsagio  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:20:34pm

re: #7 EmmmieG

The sad thing is that if gas is cheap we won’t try that hard. The shortterm >>> the longterm, apparently

10 albusteve  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:20:46pm

re: #4 EmmmieG

This would seem to me to be obvious.

Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t still keep trying.

right, time to consider a divorce

11 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:21:40pm

re: #10 albusteve

right, time to consider a divorce

Of the nice, share-the-kids, send Christmas cards to your former in-laws type? Or the huck the stuff on the lawn type?

12 albusteve  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:21:58pm

re: #9 windsagio

The sad thing is that if gas is cheap we won’t try that hard. The shortterm >>> the longterm, apparently

thank the feds for that…the voters are sheeple

13 Varek Raith  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:22:24pm

Wonder if he realizes oil ain’t gonna be there forever.
Fools.

14 Kragar  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:22:44pm

The GOP must hate this. If they embrace alternative energy, it looks like they’re listening to global warming information, but they also get to attack the Saudis, but it means going against the oil companies who foot their bills.

Decisions, decisions.

15 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:22:54pm

re: #13 Varek Raith

Wonder if he realizes oil ain’t gonna be there forever.
Fools.

But he will be gone by then. See?

16 albusteve  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:23:34pm

re: #13 Varek Raith

Wonder if he realizes oil ain’t gonna be there forever.
Fools.

I’ll bet that humans have not tapped even 10% of the oil on this planet

17 windsagio  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:24:01pm

re: #12 albusteve

I was more thinking about business lol >

re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


And yeah, was gonna say, they’re trapped. The Oil companies must have SO MUCH dirt on the key congresspeople by now.

Not to mention paying for all their houses and mistresses.

18 Targetpractice  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:24:21pm

re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The GOP must hate this. If they embrace alternative energy, it looks like they’re listening to global warming information, but they also get to attack the Saudis, but it means going against the oil companies who foot their bills.

Decisions, decisions.

I’m figuring it’ll go something like “All the more reason to accelerate drilling of our own domestic resources! Get us off Saudi oil, bring prices down, and achieve some measure of ‘energy independence’! Wins all around!”

19 windsagio  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:24:26pm

re: #16 albusteve

lets hope, it has to keep us in plastic for the rest of eternity, let alone fuel.

20 Kragar  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:24:54pm

re: #18 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I’m figuring it’ll go something like “All the more reason to accelerate drilling of our own domestic resources! Get us off Saudi oil, bring prices down, and achieve some measure of ‘energy independence’! Wins all around!”

“DRILL BABY DRILL”

21 windsagio  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:25:08pm

re: #18 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Man I hope they never pull that off. We need to preserve our petroleum sources.

22 albusteve  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:25:10pm

re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The GOP must hate this. If they embrace alternative energy, it looks like they’re listening to global warming information, but they also get to attack the Saudis, but it means going against the oil companies who foot their bills.

Decisions, decisions.

simple…seize the Arabian oil fields and call it whatever you want

23 windsagio  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:25:37pm

re: #22 albusteve

loliraqconspiracylol

24 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:25:42pm

Sorry folks, the multi billion dollar oil interests will keep us on gasoline long after we really should be.

We HAVE the technology to get off gas TODAY if we wanted to, but those rich old republican types aren’t about to let their golden goose die without a fight.

A BIG fight.

25 albusteve  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:26:22pm

re: #23 windsagio

loliraqconspiracylol

where’s OUR oil?

26 windsagio  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:26:42pm

re: #25 albusteve

BP and EXXON have it >>

27 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:26:54pm

re: #19 windsagio

lets hope, it has to keep us in plastic for the rest of eternity, let alone fuel.

Plastics, rubbers (giggity), and all manner of synthetics. I’m down to drive an alt-fuel vehicle, but losing the synthetics is fucking scary.

28 albusteve  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:27:23pm

re: #18 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I’m figuring it’ll go something like “All the more reason to accelerate drilling of our own domestic resources! Get us off Saudi oil, bring prices down, and achieve some measure of ‘energy independence’! Wins all around!”

sounds perfect to me…what choices do we have for now?

29 bratwurst  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:27:35pm

re: #22 albusteve

simple…seize the Arabian oil fields and call it whatever you want

Donald Trump? Is that you?

30 windsagio  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:27:56pm

re: #28 albusteve

get on alternative sources as much as possible?

31 albusteve  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:28:29pm

re: #29 bratwurst

Donald Trump? Is that you?

Ghengis…it’s MINE!

32 Targetpractice  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:28:42pm

re: #21 windsagio

Man I hope they never pull that off. We need to preserve our petroleum sources.

We need to work towards a future where how much oil we’ve got on hand is not a concern. We can start with conservation methods, higher efficiency standards, and go from there. Our goal, by century’s end, should be to avoid repeating the mistakes of the last century. And betting our economic future on “cheap oil” was one of the biggest ones we made.

33 albusteve  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:30:49pm

re: #30 windsagio

get on alternative sources as much as possible?

of course…but that won’t cut it by itself…
get used to 12% unemployment and $8 gal gas for a long time….this thing is just beginning to show it’s face

34 albusteve  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:32:11pm

re: #32 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

We need to work towards a future where how much oil we’ve got on hand is not a concern. We can start with conservation methods, higher efficiency standards, and go from there. Our goal, by century’s end, should be to avoid repeating the mistakes of the last century. And betting our economic future on “cheap oil” was one of the biggest ones we made.

that’s hindsight….cheap energy is why we can post like this

35 Targetpractice  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:35:39pm

re: #34 albusteve

that’s hindsight…cheap energy is why we can post like this

And it’s also a dying reality. “Cheap oil“‘s days are numbered, as competition increases and sources dwindle. We can either drive ourselves into poverty pursuing a yesterday that is no more or we can embrace the need to change and find new sources of energy. It’s not going to be quick, it’s not going to be painless, and it’s not going to be cheap. But the alternative is a continued slide into obscurity and eventually finding ourselves subservient to nations that made the change.

36 albusteve  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:36:24pm

sometime in the future the US will simply have to link our energy consumption with national security, and as a tangent we will lead the world by proxy in the AGW fight….a threefer….bet me

37 albusteve  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:37:07pm

re: #35 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And it’s also a dying reality. “Cheap oil“‘s days are numbered, as competition increases and sources dwindle. We can either drive ourselves into poverty pursuing a yesterday that is no more or we can embrace the need to change and find new sources of energy. It’s not going to be quick, it’s not going to be painless, and it’s not going to be cheap. But the alternative is a continued slide into obscurity and eventually finding ourselves subservient to nations that made the change.

I don’t dispute that…why are you telling me all this?

38 albusteve  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:38:58pm

one answer…
hyperionpowergeneration.com

what’s been the holdup?

39 BishopX  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:45:37pm

Just a quick note about that $70-80 dollar figure. It costs roughly $60/barrel to extract oil from the Alberta tar sands. At those prices we wouldn’t be importing much oil from Canada anymore. Which means OPEC would get stronger, regardless of what happens to alternative energy sources in the west.

40 Targetpractice  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:46:29pm

re: #37 albusteve

I don’t dispute that…why are you telling me all this?

I’m in a bit of a philosophical mood right now. Didn’t mean to preach to the choir. My apologies.

41 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:47:25pm

re: #38 albusteve

one answer…
[Link: www.hyperionpowergeneration.com…]

what’s been the holdup?

You. You personally. Stop it.

(Sorry, in a weird mood.)

42 albusteve  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:47:31pm

re: #40 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I’m in a bit of a philosophical mood right now. Didn’t mean to preach to the choir. My apologies.

oh please
no need to apologize…I’m not worth it

43 AlexRogan  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:49:05pm

re: #9 windsagio

The sad thing is that if gas is cheap we won’t try that hard. The shortterm >>> the longterm, apparently

And they’d be right, if gas prices nosedive…

44 austin_blue  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:49:09pm

re: #25 albusteve

where’s OUR oil?

Underneath *their* godamt sand!

Seriously, we developed all of the tech that allowed other countries to take advantage of their resources. In large part, we still are. But all that meant is that we exploited our low-hanging fruit before they had the capacity to do so. We are the leaders in deep sea drilling, in drilling oil and gas shales.

But hydrocarbons are, by definition, extractive. At some point, they will be gone. rather than leading the way in advancing tech for renewables, the 19th/20th-hydrocarbon interests have insured that they get their tax breaks and not the new tech, which will ensure that we will not lead the way for 21st century.

This is how you lose your industrial base to the fucking Chinese due to vested interests and short-sighted public policy, along with bought, well-paid politicians.

Yes, I’m a bit grumpy.

45 freetoken  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:49:30pm

re: #39 BishopX

It costs roughly $60/barrel to extract oil from the Alberta tar sands.

That was the figure tossed around a few years ago, but I wonder how it has changed in the past year? While natural gas prices are depressed (due to an abundance of supply in the US) the costs will remain lower (background: current processes use copious natural gas to convert the tar into something more useful), but when one figures in the costs of water treatment (if done properly) and labor it could have moved higher than $60/bbl.

46 Bob Dillon  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:51:09pm

re: #16 albusteve

I’ll bet that humans have not tapped even 10% of the oil on this planet

We pretty much have most of the the low hanging fruit. As technology advances more and more is being identified and is recoverable. (U.S. proven recoverable reserves has recently been updated - dwarfing the rest of OPEC combined)

47 albusteve  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:52:37pm

re: #46 Bobibutu

We pretty much have most of the the low hanging fruit. As technology advances more and more is being identified and is recoverable. (U.S. proven recoverable reserves has recently been updated - dwarfing the rest of OPEC combined)

hence my blab

48 freetoken  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:54:29pm

re: #36 albusteve

sometime in the future the US will simply have to link our energy consumption with national security, …

In one way that was already done, by FDR. It was he who embraced King Saud during WWII.

Oil since it’s discovery has been one of the most important drivers of the world economy and thus international relations and national politics.

49 jaunte  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:54:32pm

Mutant bacteria + polyester = butanol

50 jamesfirecat  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:55:40pm

Wait isn’t the same guy who financed the Mosque in New York? And who is one of the largest contributors to Fox News…

51 Bob Dillon  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:56:28pm

re: #48 freetoken

Probably more accurate to say development and use vs discovery.

52 BishopX  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:56:29pm

re: #45 freetoken


That 60/barrel figure is from the NYTimes within the last month, I have no idea how current their info is. The cost could very well be higher (I seriously doubt it will drop) and that would only make a 70-80 dollar price point more unattractive to Canadian producers.

53 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:58:41pm

Judge Andrew Napolitano is substituting for Sean Hannity tonight, mainlining far-right insanity directly into the veins of millions.

54 freetoken  Sun, May 29, 2011 6:58:46pm

re: #51 Bobibutu

I guess I should have dated it from the first oil well, which was drilled in PA. It only took a few years after that until petroleum had replaced animal and plant fats.

Certainly “pitch” has been used by humans for millennia.

55 Bob Dillon  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:02:19pm

re: #54 freetoken

I guess I should have dated it from the first oil well, which was drilled in PA. It only took a few years after that until petroleum had replaced animal and plant fats.

Certainly “pitch” has been used by humans for millennia.

So has “oil” seeping on the surface.

In PA it was called Drake’s Folly. And he knew what he was doing.

56 AlexRogan  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:05:44pm

re: #53 Charles

Judge Andrew Napolitano is substituting for Sean Hannity tonight, mainlining far-right insanity directly into the veins of millions.

He’s got wingnuts mainlining all over the country…

57 jamesfirecat  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:13:04pm

re: #56 talon_262

He’s got wingnuts mainlining all over the country…



F**kin’ mainliner!

58 Kronocide  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:14:05pm

re: #53 Charles

Judge Andrew Napolitano is substituting for Sean Hannity tonight, mainlining far-right insanity directly into the veins of millions.

And who is this week’s Emmanuel Goldstein?

59 KenJen  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:18:24pm

re: #53 Charles

Judge Andrew Napolitano is substituting for Sean Hannity tonight, mainlining far-right insanity directly into the veins of millions.

The oil reserves in his hair are probably enough to last the US for decades.

60 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:19:40pm

America ought to give Prince bin Talal the answer Rudy Guliani gave him a decade ago when bin Talal tried to use a aid check to New York after 9/11 as an opportunity to upbraid America for our foreign policy. Guliani told him to take the check back and get lost. Ah, memories.

I wish Rudy would run for President this cycle. Even if he didn’t win, he might well knock out some of the blockheads in debate and clear the field for another sane person.

61 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:20:34pm

Electric Car

Youtube Video
62 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:23:17pm

This won’t motivate our govt or private enterprise to find alternatives though - not on the scale needed to ween us off of petrol.

63 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:25:46pm

Kiwi marinated pork chops came out quite nice. Needs more red pepper.

64 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:29:25pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

Kiwi marinated pork chops came out quite nice. Needs more red pepper.

did you marinate in kiwi juice? or was it mixed with something?

i’m a big fan of using alternate marinades, especially those that use fruit - because I think it’s a great combo, and often overlooked.

65 Varek Raith  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:29:48pm

WSJ Op-Ed Denies Dangers Of U.S. Mercury Emissions

9_9

66 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:32:23pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

Kiwi marinated pork chops came out quite nice. Needs more red pepper.

Killgore just so you know, that loon Rodan (AKA Daedalus AKA Dorkus) went after you again. This time it was for answering negativ’s question about the disappearance of frogs in the creek near his house. They can’t stand that you actually read and gather knowledge so they project themselves onto you and imagine that you don’t know what you’re talking about. It’s sick and I thought you should know.

[waves to the Stalkers]

67 palomino  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:32:41pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

Rudy’s 08 campaign was a disaster. It was laughable how he was designated the front runner a year before the primaries and then had about as much impact as Fred Thompson. Why would this time be any different?

68 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:33:47pm

re: #67 palomino

Rudy’s 08 campaign was a disaster. It was laughable how he was designated the front runner a year before the primaries and then had about as much impact as Fred Thompson. Why would this time be any different?

Better focus and a weaker field.

69 HoosierHoops  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:34:42pm

Whoever designs a Hydrogen fuel cell that is safe and cheap is going to be a gazionaire…

70 APox  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:35:18pm

I don’t really have a problem with what he said, he’s doing what is in his nation’s interest as we would.

The question framed to him was pretty hard anyways, there was no way he could have had a good answer … And in context of the question, Fareed was asking him to respond as one of the world’s most successful investors.

‘Why are oil prices so high? Is this where you want them?’

Answer A: Yes, we want oil prices as high as humanly possible so we can make the largest profit off of your oil dependance.

Answer B: No, we want oil prices low to make everyone happy (then he would have been portrayed as some liar).

He gave answer C, which was logical and self-interested, as the question presented to him was in the eye of a savvy investor which is inherently self-interested.

71 jaunte  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:35:41pm

re: #65 Varek Raith

Soon And Driessen Downplay Concerns About Mercury By Arguing That It “Has Always Existed Naturally. talking through their hats.

72 palomino  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:36:24pm

re: #68 Dark_Falcon

Better focus and a weaker field.

Rudy’s got the “wrong” positions on too many social issues. I don’t see the gop in 2012 going for someone even more moderate than McCain.

73 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:40:33pm

re: #66 Dark_Falcon

Idiots.

74 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:40:34pm

re: #72 palomino

Rudy’s got the “wrong” positions on too many social issues. I don’t see the gop in 2012 going for someone even more moderate than McCain.

I didn’t say I thought he would win. But he might be able to punch out (politically, of course) one or two of the asshats and clear a path for another sane candidate. That would make a run worthwhile in my eyes. I also think he’d be a much better president than Palin, Bachmann, or Gingrich.

75 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:43:26pm

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Idiots.

They also have a fake Ludwig post. They can’t win arguments with Ludwig so they made a strawman, dressed it, then called it “Ludwig” and thus won their arguments. Lamers and haters.

76 palomino  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:45:10pm

re: #74 Dark_Falcon

I didn’t say I thought he would win. But he might be able to punch out (politically, of course) one or two of the asshats and clear a path for another sane candidate. That would make a run worthwhile in my eyes. I also think he’d be a much better president than Palin, Bachmann, or Gingrich.

Better than Palin, Bachmann or Gingrich? That’s setting the bar pretty low.

What rhetorical force or policy positions does Rudy have that would knock out the asshats? Rudy’s smart, like Daniels, to want a “truce” on social issues. But that stance doesn’t appeal to the gop primary voters (see 2008).

77 Varek Raith  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:47:01pm

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

They also have a fake Ludwig post. They can’t win arguments with Ludwig so they made a strawman, dressed it, then called it “Ludwig” and thus won their arguments. Lamers and haters.

Image: haterbatman.jpg

78 HoosierHoops  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:48:25pm

re: #66 Dark_Falcon

effen Rodan..He went after me last week…Doesn’t believe I registered as a Dem and I’m not very smart…He thinks I lied about emailing Charles my Republican of the year award to Charles and That I was invited to the White House dinner.. Like If I said that Charles wouldn’t call me out.. Charles knows who I work for..
Rodan..I work for one of the biggest Companies in the world…I probably make more money in a week than you sitting in your underwear in your mommies basement in a year…
You really are stupid dumbass…jeez..I’m over those people stalking me

79 Varek Raith  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:50:54pm

re: #78 HoosierHoops

effen Rodan..He went after me last week…Doesn’t believe I registered as a Dem and I’m not very smart…He thinks I lied about emailing Charles my Republican of the year award to Charles and That I was invited to the White House dinner.. Like If I said that Charles wouldn’t call me out.. Charles knows who I work for..
Rodan..I work for one of the biggest Companies in the world…I probably make more money in a week than you sitting in your underwear in your mommies basement in a year…
You really are stupid dumbass…jeez..I’m over those people stalking me

I KNEW IT!
Freaking Weyland-Yutani.
/

80 Kragar  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:52:19pm

re: #79 Varek Raith

I KNEW IT!
Freaking Weyland-Yutani.
/

I was thinking Omni Consumer Products.

81 sagehen  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:54:51pm

re: #46 Bobibutu

We pretty much have most of the the low hanging fruit. As technology advances more and more is being identified and is recoverable. (U.S. proven recoverable reserves has recently been updated - dwarfing the rest of OPEC combined)

For some values of “proven recoverable”.

82 HoosierHoops  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:56:03pm

re: #80 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I was thinking Omni Consumer Products.

LOL Think top 10 company in the world

83 Kragar  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:57:04pm

re: #82 HoosierHoops

LOL Think top 10 company in the world

Oh. Umbrella Corp, got it.

84 Targetpractice  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:58:14pm

re: #82 HoosierHoops

LOL Think top 10 company in the world

Yoyodyne?

/

85 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:58:14pm

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

Why do you give a shit about the dead louse?

86 HoosierHoops  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:58:14pm

re: #83 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh. Umbrella Corp, got it.

I’m too stupid to work for Umbrella Corp

87 jamesfirecat  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:58:51pm

re: #82 HoosierHoops

LOL Think top 10 company in the world

Shinra-Electric?

88 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sun, May 29, 2011 7:58:53pm

Remember, folks: nuclear energy is SCARY SCARY SCARY, solar power is socialism, and also drill baby drill baby drill baby drill baby drill baby drill baby drill baby drill baby drill.

89 Varek Raith  Sun, May 29, 2011 8:01:27pm

re: #87 jamesfirecat

Shinra-Electric?

Image: 313459-shin_ra_large.jpg

90 ProBosniaLiberal  Sun, May 29, 2011 8:01:37pm

re: #87 jamesfirecat

Heh, unless he’s Reeve, he’s too good for that.

91 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 29, 2011 8:01:39pm

re: #85 Alouette

Why do you give a shit about the dead louse?

Because the louse isn’t dead. Their use of bogus Twitter accounts and other dishonest tactics can smear honest posters here. That the actively work to spread their hate makes the Stalkers a threat.

92 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 8:10:27pm

re: #82 HoosierHoops

LOL Think top 10 company in the world

Braniff?

93 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 8:11:37pm

re: #82 HoosierHoops

LOL Think top 10 company in the world

Oh, I know, E.E.S. right?

94 HoosierHoops  Sun, May 29, 2011 8:13:48pm

re: #92 Slumbering Behemoth

Braniff?

Is that even in the top 500?

95 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 8:14:51pm

re: #88 negativ

Remember, folks: nuclear energy is SCARY SCARY SCARY, solar power is socialism, and also drill baby drill baby drill baby drill baby drill baby drill baby drill baby drill baby drill.

I’m looking forward to these new organic batteries I keep hearing about.

96 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 8:16:37pm

re: #94 HoosierHoops

Is that even in the top 500?

Think lower.

97 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 29, 2011 8:22:58pm

re: #92 Slumbering Behemoth

Braniff?

They went tits up over 20 years ago.

98 Kragar  Sun, May 29, 2011 8:23:12pm

re: #93 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh, I know, E.E.S. right?

No, they went under after that whole South American deal.

99 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, May 29, 2011 8:30:23pm

re: #88 negativ

Remember, folks: nuclear energy is SCARY SCARY SCARY, solar power is socialism, and also drill baby drill baby drill baby drill baby drill baby drill baby drill baby drill baby drill.

What the fuck ever happened to getting energy from rubbing two Snickers bars together?

100 reine.de.tout  Sun, May 29, 2011 8:31:34pm

re: #99 b_sharp

What the fuck ever happened to getting energy from rubbing two Snickers bars together?

Same thing that happened to those telephones made from empty oatmeal boxes and string.

101 Kragar  Sun, May 29, 2011 8:32:31pm

Congressman Says Hacker Sent Lewd Photo Using His Name

Representative Anthony D. Weiner, one of the most prolific users of social media among politicians, said his Twitter account was hacked this weekend when someone sent out a lewd photograph under his name to a young woman in Seattle.

The episode unfolded Saturday night when it was reported on the Web site biggovernment.com, run by the conservative blogger Andrew Breitbart. It played out all day Sunday on the Internet, with Mr. Weiner, a Democrat who represents part of Brooklyn and Queens, addressing the matter on his own Twitter and Facebook accounts, and with bloggers from the left and the right arguing about whether this might be the start of a scandal or an example of how easy it is for hackers to try to smear someone’s reputation.

102 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 8:34:22pm

re: #98 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No, they went under after that whole South American deal.

Ugh, don’t remind me. I having an awful time trying to find a replacement for Zygrot 24.

103 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 29, 2011 8:34:56pm

re: #101 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Congressman Says Hacker Sent Lewd Photo Using His Name

That will clear Weiner if true. But the hack should be investigated to see if it actuaLLY HAPPENED AND WHO DID IT. I withhold saying who did what till the situation is cleared up.

104 windsagio  Sun, May 29, 2011 8:35:41pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

you think he tweeted a picture of his own dick?

105 windsagio  Sun, May 29, 2011 8:36:00pm

re: #104 windsagio

*implying?

106 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 8:37:16pm

re: #101 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Congressman Says Hacker Sent Lewd Photo Using His Name

Was it icy?

107 What, me worry?  Sun, May 29, 2011 8:45:31pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

That will clear Weiner if true. But the hack should be investigated to see if it actuaLLY HAPPENED AND WHO DID IT. I withhold saying who did what till the situation is cleared up.

There’s a Weiner/Boehner joke in here somewhere.

108 Kragar  Sun, May 29, 2011 8:47:03pm

re: #104 windsagio

you think he tweeted a picture of his own dick?

Easy enough to confirm one would think…
///

109 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 8:47:24pm

re: #107 marjoriemoon

There’s a Weiner/Boehner joke in here somewhere.

Weiner/Boehner ‘12. Two dicks are better than one.

110 windsagio  Sun, May 29, 2011 8:48:13pm

re: #109 Slumbering Behemoth

That’s quite the Dick Army!

111 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 8:49:02pm

Weiner/Boehner ‘12. A three-way, with America in the middle.

/remember the Golden Rule

112 What, me worry?  Sun, May 29, 2011 8:49:08pm

re: #109 Slumbering Behemoth

Weiner/Boehner ‘12. Two dicks are better than one.

hehe You don’t twitter do you. You should, you know. You come up with some gems at 140 words or less.

113 What, me worry?  Sun, May 29, 2011 8:49:20pm

er…characters.

114 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 8:50:09pm

re: #112 marjoriemoon

Shit My Behemoth Says?

No, I don’t twitter.

115 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, May 29, 2011 8:52:41pm

re: #114 Slumbering Behemoth

Shit My Behemoth Says?

No, I don’t twitter.

You’d have to be a mega-twit, being a behemoth and all.

116 What, me worry?  Sun, May 29, 2011 8:54:40pm

re: #115 b_sharp

You’d have to be a mega-twit, being a behemoth and all.

He could be the Twittering Behemoth.

117 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 8:54:43pm

Weiner/Boehner ‘12. Forget about BP. America’s gonna to get a DP.

118 jaunte  Sun, May 29, 2011 9:10:56pm

re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Easy enough to confirm one would think…
///

Fabricate your own ‘long form’ comment here.

119 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, May 29, 2011 9:18:18pm

Goodnight.

120 windsagio  Sun, May 29, 2011 9:36:26pm

For you history buffs and people who discovered the internet in the ’90s.

Seanbaby’s opinion on the greatest sieges

Off to work, ‘nite all!

121 Jeff Zazlow  Sun, May 29, 2011 9:37:39pm

Meanwhile they’re not giving all the billions back they’re raking in.. they’re just scared bcs last time demand went down for a while and prices preciptiously dropped for a while a summer or two ago it was down to 1.70 and change in Jersey… but that had as much to do with the speculators driving it artificially high and low…

It won’t matter eventually what we do bcs India and China will soon be each as big consumers of oil as we are….

122 freetoken  Sun, May 29, 2011 9:39:38pm

Tough Times for Graduates

That the cost of a higher education has more than quadrupled since I went to college is astounding. It’s a form of robbery, I think. Put simply, I doubt the quality or quantity of “education” one receives in a 4 year stint has also increased in that time.

We try to send too many people to college and have artificially increased the demand beyond what the intellectual curiosity of the group HS graduates would naturally demand. College now (more than ever) is simply a baby-sitting service for those who don’t know what else to do.

123 Four More Tears  Sun, May 29, 2011 9:45:50pm

I feel like such a dork as I read this and think Kal-El is an awesome name for this chip…

NVIDIA demos Kal-El’s quad-core processing power on video

124 laZardo  Sun, May 29, 2011 9:50:53pm

Anyone got some resources for debunking the whole “return to the Gold Standard” people?

That would be much appreciated.

Also good afternoon.

125 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 29, 2011 9:55:25pm

re: #124 laZardo

Anyone got some resources for debunking the whole “return to the Gold Standard” people?

That would be much appreciated.

Also good afternoon.

Just tell them they shall not crucify mankind upon a cross of gold. That’ll do ya.

126 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 9:57:01pm

re: #122 freetoken

It’s gotten really lop-sided. That public service thing is starting to look better and better.

127 freetoken  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:01:15pm

re: #124 laZardo

Usually gold standard nuts reject most of modern economic theory anyway, so trying to convince them about modern ideas of money is fraught with frustration.

128 alaska kim  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:01:21pm

drill baby, drill.

129 freetoken  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:01:50pm

re: #128 alaska kim

Sounds like my dentist.

130 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:02:17pm

re: #124 laZardo

Just tell ‘em you don’t wanna pay $1,350.00 for a loaf of bread.

131 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:02:43pm

re: #128 alaska kim

drill baby, drill.

I’ll leave that to your husband. Thanks anyway.

132 alaska kim  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:02:45pm

ANWR

133 jaunte  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:02:49pm

re: #124 laZardo

Peter Morici:

“The relative importance of the dollar will shrink [but] there’s not enough gold in the world to mint coins to support commerce,” he says. “A gold standard would require what we had in the late 19th century in the United States: chronic deflation and high unemployment that goes with it.” savvyinvestor.com
134 HoosierHoops  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:03:16pm

re: #128 alaska kim

drill baby, drill.

hey you! It’s probably been at least a year..
Hope today finds you well

135 alaska kim  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:04:11pm

re: #134 HoosierHoops

hey you! It’s probably been at least a year..
Hope today finds you well

doing good, thanks!

136 darthstar  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:04:46pm

re: #132 alaska kim

PROTECT ANWR

ftfy

137 theye1  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:05:00pm

re: #120 windsagio

It isn’t a good list without at least one of the sieges of Constantinople.

138 laZardo  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:05:02pm

re: #130 Slumbering Behemoth

Just tell ‘em you don’t wanna pay $1,350.00 for a loaf of bread.

They’ve already posted Zimbabwe of an example of what happens with a Federal Reserve.

/not that I buy it, but it’s closing off that angle.

139 jaunte  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:06:57pm

re: #124 laZardo

Here’s a little more from the Smirking Chimp:

As far as I can tell, the reason why the Koch brothers hire tools to promote the gold standard is the same reason that robber barons of the 19th century loved the gold standard so much: Gold locks in the power and wealth of those who have all the power and wealth; and gold locks out everyone else who’s not so lucky, condemning them to serfdom. Which leads to Populist uprisings, labor unrest, and all that century-old misery. That would explain why Koch fronts like Ron Paul hustle the gold standard to us suckers as the equivalent to “freedom”–just like coal companies pitching the public the lie about “clean coal”–you want the suckers to believe that a gold standard will offer them the very opposite of the misery it delivers. smirkingchimp.com
140 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:08:16pm

re: #122 freetoken

The skilled trades are suffering a large shortage of people willing to apprentice and study to become licensed tradesman. Why? Perhaps because now actually working with your hands and building things is looked down upon, only people too stupid to attend college do that, right?

Once upon a time trade schools and apprenticeships were seen as an great opportunity for young adults. Now it is seen as a failure, learning a trade is sneered at, even by the excess of college graduates who cannot find that lucrative job they were promised by their parents and the schools brochures.

I have met some promising young people that had no direction and no firm career path but if you try to interest them in the trades the rejection is universal. Because working with your hands in construction is only for moronic losers, real Americans only work in air conditioned offices in front of computer monitors.

141 alaska kim  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:09:03pm

re: #136 darthstar

ftfy

it doesn’t need protection, it’s massive.
protect it from what?

142 freetoken  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:09:35pm

re: #141 alaska kim


protect it from what?

You.

143 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:11:01pm

re: #133 jaunte

Peter Morici:

Uh, no fucking duh! I mean that’s blatant enough even Homer would get it.

144 alaska kim  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:11:09pm

re: #140 ausador

The skilled trades are suffering a large shortage of people willing to apprentice and study to become licensed tradesman. Why? Perhaps because now actually working with your hands and building things is looked down upon, only people too stupid to attend college do that, right?

Once upon a time trade schools and apprenticeships were seen as an great opportunity for young adults. Now it is seen as a failure, learning a trade is sneered at, even by the excess of college graduates who cannot find that lucrative job they were promised by their parents and the schools brochures.

I have met some promising young people that had no direction and no firm career path but if you try to interest them in the trades the rejection is universal. Because working with your hands in construction is only for moronic losers, real Americans only work in air conditioned offices in front of computer monitors.

it’s hard as hell to land an apprenticeship up here… too much competition.

145 darthstar  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:12:05pm

re: #104 windsagio

you think he tweeted a picture of his own dick?

Weiner’s too smart to do something as stupid as tweeting a picture of his own dick. Internet forensics is good enough that twitter can release the IP address of the user who uploaded the pic and prove definitively that it wasn’t from one of Weiner’s computers…and unlike Sarah “my birthday is my password” Palin, Weiner won’t demand the offender be caught and sent to jail. But that’s because he’s an intelligent person and he understands it was likely someone trying to be funny and play on his name.

146 alaska kim  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:13:25pm

re: #142 freetoken

You.


i’m trying to see things from your point of view, but i can’t get my head that far up my a$$.

147 freetoken  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:13:53pm

re: #140 ausador

Why?

Because generations of Americans associated a college education with social upward mobility.

Unfortunately (as if often the case) the cause and effect got confused.

I.e., people who went to Harvard didn’t necessarily become rich by being at Harvard, their family was already well placed socially.

Secondly, public education became one of the principal tools for social engineering, e.g., addressing racism. A good sentiment but had an unfortunate side effect of degrading those jobs that didn’t require lots of formal education.

148 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:16:33pm

re: #128 alaska kim

drill baby, drill.

Hey girl, are you still scared by Johan Bach? I’ve got his “Goldberg Variations” playing right now. They are so much more of a slice of god than your garbage it’s almost unbelievable. Still truth really is beauty when fighting your fascism. I almost look forward to watching you slink away with your tail between your legs yet again.

May god have mercy on your soul. I know I couldn’t. That’s why I’ll be in hell with you…

149 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:16:34pm

re: #124 laZardo

Anyone got some resources for debunking the whole “return to the Gold Standard” people?

That would be much appreciated.

Also good afternoon.

How about the simple fact that there is no where near enough gold to supply all six billion+ inhabitants of this world with gold currency to replace their paper currency? The United States entire gold reserves would if converted to gold coinage supply us with less than 1/60th of the dollar amount of paper currency currently in circulation.

Personally I find the fact that it is simply physically impossible to be the best argument against it. But that is just me, nitpicking as usual…

/

150 goddamnedfrank  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:16:53pm

re: #141 alaska kim

it doesn’t need protection, it’s massive.
protect it from what?

There isn’t enough oil there or anywhere else in the US to do jack all about our foreign dependence. The obvious answer is to ween ourselves off fossil fuels, not engage in worse and worse addictive behaviors. But that’s the problem, we’re addicted, and many among us can’t even think about quitting. We’ve past denial and anger, now we’re on to bargaining.

151 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:18:00pm

re: #146 alaska kim

So who’s ass is it up, then?

152 alaska kim  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:21:39pm

re: #151 Slumbering Behemoth

So who’s ass is it up, then?


have you been a shithead your whole life? you don’t even know me.

153 laZardo  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:22:40pm

re: #149 ausador

How about the simple fact that there is no where near enough gold to supply all six billion+ inhabitants of this world with gold currency to replace their paper currency? The United States entire gold reserves would if converted to gold coinage supply us with less than 1/60th of the dollar amount of paper currency currently in circulation.

Personally I find the fact that it is simply physically impossible to be the best argument against it. But that is just me, nitpicking as usual…

/

They’re bringing up the argument that “there are other commodities…”

154 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:23:59pm

re: #150 goddamnedfrank

I quibble with “addicted”. That’s kind of like saying we’re all addicted to air, or food.

We need an alternative, yes. But large scale shipping and small scale mobility is not an addiction, it’s a necessity in this modern age.

155 McSpiff  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:24:45pm

re: #152 alaska kim

have you been a shithead your whole life? you don’t even know me.

Should probably stop insulting regular users if you’re going to be overly-sensitive. I know outside can be a scary place.

156 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:24:58pm

re: #152 alaska kim

have you been a shithead your whole life? you don’t even know me.

Irony both absurd and sublime at the same time.

157 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:25:43pm

re: #152 alaska kim

have you been a shithead your whole life? you don’t even know me.

Now, now, even you’re usually better than that. Please try again, child.

158 alaska kim  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:26:08pm

re: #155 McSpiff

Should probably stop insulting regular users if you’re going to be overly-sensitive. I know outside can be a scary place.

he started it!

159 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:26:48pm

re: #158 alaska kim

he started it!

IOKIYAR.

160 Kragar  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:26:55pm
Youtube Video
161 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:27:56pm

re: #159 wlewisiii

IOKIYAR.

I am, and it’s not. But I don’t care if she insults me. I find most of her posts insulting on an intellectual level anyhow.

162 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:28:17pm

re: #159 wlewisiii

IOKIYAR.

Please note, I’d spank my son if he tried that garbage.

163 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:30:15pm

re: #161 Slumbering Behemoth

I am, and it’s not. But I don’t care if she insults me. I find most of her posts insulting on an intellectual level anyhow.

She brings out the worst in me. Please accept my apology;

164 McSpiff  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:30:20pm

re: #158 alaska kim

he started it!

Take your garbage somewhere else.

165 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:30:30pm

re: #158 alaska kim

he started it!

I believe it all started when you said in response to another comment “i can’t get my head that far up my a$$.”

A claim, by the way, that I find highly dubious.

166 alaska kim  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:30:30pm

re: #161 Slumbering Behemoth

I am, and it’s not. But I don’t care if she insults me. I find most of her posts insulting on an intellectual level anyhow.


you have an intellectual level?

167 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:31:54pm

re: #166 alaska kim

you have an intellectual level?

Yep & you don’t.

Sorry.

Try again.

168 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:32:07pm

re: #166 alaska kim

you have an intellectual level?

I know it’s hard for you to see from all the way down there, but I assure I do.

169 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:33:39pm

Whiskey and an idiot from Alaska… Good Lord, is there any better moment?

170 Kragar  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:34:04pm

re: #169 wlewisiii

Whiskey and an idiot from Alaska… Good Lord, is there any better moment?

Twins.

171 alaska kim  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:36:06pm

re: #169 wlewisiii

Whiskey and an idiot from Alaska… Good Lord, is there any better moment?

we’ll let you see firsthand in 2012!

172 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:37:51pm

re: #141 alaska kim

it doesn’t need protection, it’s massive.
protect it from what?

Please don’t get ticked off too easily, many people down in the lower 48 actually believe the puff pieces the media feed them about ANWR. That it is some small ecological paradise that needs to be protected from oil exploration and development so as not to disturb the Caribou.

They have not been there, they have not seen it, they don’t know that ANWR alone is as large as most of the states down here and that the majority of it is pretty much lifeless mudflats. They don’t know that on the North Slope the Caribou herds that were dying out from Native American “subsistence” hunting now have rebounded and are reaching record levels.

The fourty thousand acres or so of ANWR that the oil companies want to use would irreparably destroy the entire eco system and kill the poor baby Caribou, they have been told it, they accept it, they just don’t know any better, sorry. :(

(17 year Alaska resident)

173 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:38:36pm

re: #171 alaska kim

we’ll let you see firsthand in 2012!

I look forward to seeing what a rambler with mouse in her pocket has to show us in 2012.

174 alaska kim  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:41:08pm

re: #172 ausador

Please don’t get ticked off too easily, many people down in the lower 48 actually believe the puff pieces the media feed them about ANWR. That it is some small ecological paradise that needs to be protected from oil exploration and development so as not to disturb the Caribou.

They have not been there, they have not seen it, they don’t know that ANWR alone is as large as most of the states down here and that the majority of it is pretty much lifeless mudflats. They don’t know that on the North Slope the Caribou herds that were dying out from Native American “subsistence” hunting now have rebounded and are reaching record levels.

The fourty thousand acres or so of ANWR that the oil companies want to use would irreparably destroy the entire eco system and kill the poor baby Caribou, they have been told it, they accept it, they just don’t know any better, sorry. :(

(17 year Alaska resident)

yep, they’re all ignorant to the facts, so they insult people to cover up the fact that they are uninformed.

175 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:43:43pm

re: #171 alaska kim

we’ll let you see firsthand in 2012!

Oh, my, your stupidity really knows no bounds. If I didn’t know better, I’d think you were “The Quitter” herself.

Sorry child. The Quitter is still a loser as are those stupid enough to follow her.

176 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:44:08pm

re: #153 laZardo

They’re bringing up the argument that “there are other commodities…”

There is a shortage of wooden toilet seats in Cuba, so I suppose you could just use toilet seats as currency there, but it doesn’t seem like a very practical currency to me. ;)

177 alaska kim  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:44:18pm

re: #174 alaska kim


where in AK did you live?

178 alaska kim  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:46:10pm

re: #172 ausador

where in AK did you live?

179 Gus  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:50:43pm

It may sound well and good but “drilling in ANWR” wouldn’t have any impact on the price of Brent crude. No one is going to drill in ANWR and sell it below the latest market value. It would still be priced according to what the commodities exchange and world event dictates.

And on a similar note. If we stopped buying Saudi oil and that suddenly resulted in a drop of the Saudi GDP it would also mean less orders for Boeing providing aircraft for Saudi airlines and other negative trade benefits.

Wake up tomorrow and it will all be the same way. Day in. Day out.

180 alaska kim  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:55:00pm

re: #175 wlewisiii

hey, Dubya Lewis, the THIRD…..please don’t divide your ignorant genes and make a FOURTH.

181 Varek Raith  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:57:42pm

re: #128 alaska kim

Talking Point Generator Bot.
Greetings.

182 Kragar  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:58:59pm
Youtube Video
183 Varek Raith  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:59:41pm

re: #179 Gus 802

It may sound well and good but “drilling in ANWR” wouldn’t have any impact on the price of Brent crude. No one is going to drill in ANWR and sell it below the latest market value. It would still be priced according to what the commodities exchange and world event dictates.

And on a similar note. If we stopped buying Saudi oil and that suddenly resulted in a drop of the Saudi GDP it would also mean less orders for Boeing providing aircraft for Saudi airlines and other negative trade benefits.

Wake up tomorrow and it will all be the same way. Day in. Day out.

It also would likely be sold overseas anyway.

184 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Sun, May 29, 2011 10:59:57pm

re: #177 alaska kim

where in AK did you live?

I lived in Anchorage but I wasn’t there all that much, I worked all over the State, name pretty much any major town or village and I probably did a job there.

185 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:01:58pm

re: #175 wlewisiii

The half-term, no hitter quitter just bought herself a lovely mansion in Arizona. If the Idahoan known as Sarah Palin has any plans for 2012, that’s where it will be.

She probably thinks the revanchist, reactionary wave running through AZ recently will work in her favor for gaining a seat somewhere in AZ. And she may well be right. But that petulant little child of Idaho will shit and quit on the people Arizona just as quickly as she did on the people Alaska if things don’t go her way.

She’s feinting at the Oval Office, but aiming at something in Arizona. Bet me.

186 Kid A  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:02:30pm

High gas prices are because of Obama’s reluctance to drill, baby, drill. Rush said so!

187 Gus  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:03:03pm

re: #181 Varek Raith

Talking Point Generator Bot.
Greetings.

Yep. The highest bidder.

There is no Unicorn. /

188 Kronocide  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:03:25pm

She’s got the world in the palm of her hand.

189 alaska kim  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:03:30pm

re: #184 ausador

Have you read about that albino moose that’s been spotted many times up there? It’s the weirdest thing!

190 laZardo  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:03:49pm

re: #187 Gus 802

There is no Unicorn.

WHY MUST YOU RUIN MY CHILDHOOD

/ q;

191 Gus  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:05:22pm

American oil companies will drill oil domestically throughout the land and they in turn will trade that oil at below market values resulting in lower gasoline prices as a public service to Americans!

//

192 Gus  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:05:53pm

Then I woke up.

Oops.

//

193 Kragar  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:06:26pm

re: #187 Gus 802

Yep. The highest bidder.

There is no Unicorn. /

THEN WHAT THE HELL WAS IN MY SANDWICH?

194 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:06:40pm

re: #187 Gus 802

Yep. The highest bidder.

There is no Unicorn. /

I know. I got my gov’t issue unicorn shortly after the last national election. It was just a flea bitten mule with a traffic cone strapped to it’s head.

And it was a lot stringier and tougher than real unicorn.

196 Gus  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:08:34pm

re: #194 Slumbering Behemoth

I know. I got my gov’t issue unicorn shortly after the last national election. It was just a flea bitten mule with a traffic cone strapped to it’s head.

And it was a lot stringier and tougher than real unicorn.

I get nothing but pure 100% Brazilian Unicorn meat. Less stringy like they’re slab of corned beef products.

//

197 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:08:45pm

re: #188 BigPapa

She’s got the a few world words in the palm of her hand.

FTFY

199 alaska kim  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:10:32pm

re: #185 Slumbering Behemoth

she had her reasons for leaving, can you even name one?? other than the obvious?

200 Kid A  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:11:08pm

re: #194 Slumbering Behemoth

I know. I got my gov’t issue unicorn shortly after the last national election. It was just a flea bitten mule with a traffic cone strapped to it’s head.

And it was a lot stringier and tougher than real unicorn.

Image: tumblr_kzhf0qJhle1qb4rtoo1_400.jpg

201 jaunte  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:11:13pm

re: #198 Varek Raith

Maybe a little more, but probably not more than a month.

202 Varek Raith  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:11:57pm

re: #201 jaunte

Maybe a little more, but probably not more than a month.

Sweet.
I’ll gas up the Hummer!

203 Gus  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:15:49pm

I’m going to drill for some sleep. Good night.

204 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:16:12pm

re: #198 Varek Raith

I’d prefer we work on getting alt-fuel vehicles, and save our reserves for the big stuff.

205 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:17:50pm

re: #64 eclectic infidel

did you marinate in kiwi juice? or was it mixed with something?

i’m a big fan of using alternate marinades, especially those that use fruit - because I think it’s a great combo, and often overlooked.

Kiwi is said to be a great marinade, highly acidic, great at tenderizing the meat

206 Varek Raith  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:17:56pm

re: #204 Slumbering Behemoth

I’d prefer we work on getting alt-fuel vehicles, and save our reserves for the big stuff.

You unAmerkin commie!
/

207 alaska kim  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:18:59pm

re: #185 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #185 Slumbering Behemoth


i’m waiting……….

208 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:21:15pm

re: #140 ausador


Germany does not have a big problem with finding tradespeople, but these folks work at secure jobs with benefits and regulated hours: in America being a “tradesman” means working long hours with no benefits or job security.

209 mich-again  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:22:11pm

One of the quickest, easiest ways the USA could reduce our gasoline consumption and oil demand would be just to get the road crews in the cities across America to time the stoplights at the major intersections in town to keep traffic flowing.

The reason city mileage is so much lower than highway mileage is not because you drive slower. Nope, it’s all the stopping and starting at red lights that kills your gas mileage. And you have to stop and start at stoplights so much because no one at the DPW gives a flying f*ck about how long it takes you to get across town or how much more gas you burn up in traffic when the stoplights aren’t timed. Actually, it seems in some communities around here at least that they want traffic to stop and start at every light.

The cool thing about that solution is that it makes every single car and truck more efficient, even the old ones. On the other hand if we just wait around for the whole American fleet to turn over to new more efficient cars, it will take years. The best way to cut consumption is to reduce waste and timing stoplights is an easy way to do that.

210 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:23:09pm

re: #199 alaska kim

she had her reasons for leaving, can you even name one?? other than the obvious?

I’m not gonna waste time with you debunking all the bullshit excuses her worshipers normally dredge up.

The obvious reason is the real reason. She saw that she could make more money doing what she’s doing now, namely conning rubes, than she could finishing out her term. And she had advisers just clever enough to impress upon her that she needed to capitalize on the thunder generated by the ‘08.

Had she stuck with the job her constituents elected her to do, not only would she fade into obscurity while missing out on a cash cow, she may well have had to face a recall or a crushing defeat in the next gubernatorial election.

211 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:23:56pm

re: #185 Slumbering Behemoth


John Kyl’s Senate seat is up for grabs in 2013.

212 Varek Raith  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:23:59pm

re: #199 alaska kim

she had her reasons for leaving, can you even name one?? other than the obvious?

Can you name one?

213 Kid A  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:24:17pm

re: #199 alaska kim

she had her reasons for leaving, can you even name one?? other than the obvious?

The fat ass Faux News contract and all the books sounds like a good reason to get the fuck out out of that frigid place. If that’s too “obvious,” then I guess she did it to get the non-Real American out of office. What the fuck is your point?

214 alaska kim  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:26:10pm

re: #210 Slumbering Behemoth

figures… you don’t know shit. g’nite.

215 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:27:40pm

We had our wake-up call regarding oil dependency as early as the 1973 embargo.

But then we had the decade of the 80’s with Iraq and Iran at war with each other and both dumping oil on the market as fast as they could pump it to finance their military expenditures and driving prices down to $10 per barrel.

We had absolutely no economic incentive to do so and with Ronald Reagan in the White House, no political incentive, either. That set us back massively.

216 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:27:53pm

re: #207 alaska kim

re: #185 Slumbering Behemoth

i’m waiting…

And a whole eight minutes I see. I have to admit, I am impressed.

I completely underestimated your attention span.

217 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:28:41pm

re: #214 alaska kim

figures… you don’t know shit. g’nite.

Prove me wrong.

218 Mr Pancakes  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:29:20pm

re: #214 alaska kim

figures… you don’t know shit. g’nite.

Nah…. SB hit it on the head……. being a governor was a distraction for her once she gained fame. Imagine a sitting president quitting mid term, just because? It’s the same thing on a smaller scale.

219 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:31:19pm

re: #203 Gus 802

I’m going to drill for some sleep. Good night.

Ah. I was gonna ask about how your job search was going, but apparently you’ve found a paramour for the evening. Good on ya.
/as long as it’s just for the evening.

220 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:39:59pm

re: #218 Mr Pancakes

Nah… SB hit it on the head… being a governor was a distraction for her once she gained fame. Imagine a sitting president quitting mid term, just because? It’s the same thing on a smaller scale.

She’s just a troll. And one that I suspect is wearing a mask. A sockpuppet used to see what kind of hilarious responses we might generate.

I just wish she would step up her game on the insults. Such terrible weak sauce in that department. No wit, no intellect, just “poop poop poop, yer a stupid head”. No challenge at all.

221 mich-again  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:42:08pm

Sarah made her name in Alaska by kicking over the tables in the GOP establishment. She threw the old guard in the party under the bus to promote herself and in doing so made some friends on both sides of the aisle. But backbiting won’t work as a long-term strategy to climb the ranks in a political party and 3rd party candidates can only play spoiler in presidential elections so she had no choice but to abandon the Governorship in Alaska if she wanted to mainstream herself with the GOP and ever become President.

When she reached, she lost her grasp and fell hard.

222 Mr Pancakes  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:42:50pm

re: #220 Slumbering Behemoth

She’s just a troll. And one that I suspect is wearing a mask. A sockpuppet used to see what kind of hilarious responses we might generate.

I just wish she would step up her game on the insults. Such terrible weak sauce in that department. No wit, no intellect, just “poop poop poop, yer a stupid head”. No challenge at all.

I found it interesting she offered no alternative reason for Palin quitting. I was willing to listen.

223 Kragar  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:42:55pm

re: #220 Slumbering Behemoth

She’s just a troll. And one that I suspect is wearing a mask. A sockpuppet used to see what kind of hilarious responses we might generate.

I just wish she would step up her game on the insults. Such terrible weak sauce in that department. No wit, no intellect, just “poop poop poop, yer a stupid head”. No challenge at all.

Perhaps we’re just not capable of understanding the subtle nuances.
/

224 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:49:01pm

re: #222 Mr Pancakes

I found it interesting she offered no alternative reason for Palin quitting. I was willing to listen.

She never will. I’ve observed this one on several occasions. It’s all about how Sarah is the Second Coming of [insert any fairy tale here], and any rebuttal is met with “Yer stupid. Laters”.

225 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:54:32pm

Alaska Kim, if you’re still lurking…

You’re just the kind of fringe element that the likes of William F. Buckley Jr. worked most of his adult life to purge from the GOP. Chew on that for a while.

226 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:55:10pm

And you’re a poopy-head! There!!!

227 Kronocide  Sun, May 29, 2011 11:59:31pm

I noticed Alaska Kim can’t type more in one post than can fit on the palm of her hand.

228 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 30, 2011 12:05:17am

So you think she’s Sarah Palin in disguise?

229 Kragar  Mon, May 30, 2011 12:10:28am

re: #228 ralphieboy

So you think she’s Sarah Palin in disguise?

Nah, just another wanker

230 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 30, 2011 12:11:00am

fits the profile - one hand to read from one hand free for other things…

231 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 30, 2011 12:11:21am

re: #228 ralphieboy

So you think she’s Sarah Palin in disguise?

Not enough malapropisms.

232 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 30, 2011 12:17:04am

she makes me feel irrefudiatingly squirmish

233 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 30, 2011 12:32:12am

re: #232 ralphieboy

Damn near Sharkespearean.

234 Cheechako  Mon, May 30, 2011 12:36:16am

re: #214 alaska kim

figures… you don’t know shit. g’nite.

Hey Alaska Kim….you’re on your own. You need to learn what’s really happening up here in Alaska.

235 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 30, 2011 12:39:30am

Nearly worthy of the Barraquitter, even.

If the real thing don’t do the trick
You better make up something quick

236 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 30, 2011 1:22:29am

re: #212 Varek Raith

Can you name one?

The mean liberals were causing her all these heaping legal fees, so she had to leave to save the Alaskan economy is the usual excuse.

237 lostlakehiker  Mon, May 30, 2011 1:24:47am

re: #1 windsagio

In a weird way, it makes me willing to pay $4 dollar a gallon gas.

I really can’t think of a more evil country in the world than Saudi Arabia.

Oh? Try the People’s Republic of North Korea. Try Syria. Try Myanmar. Try Sudan. [Now, perhaps, called North Sudan].

If you allow for a wider time window than “right now”, places such as Uganda, Central African Republic, and Serbia come to mind.

Saudi Arabia has the vices characteristic of the idle rich, joined to the vices of the fundamentalist. The place has, in other words, merely the faults that are just about inevitable given its circumstances. Saudi Arabia hasn’t exerted itself to master new faults. All those other places named above have stacked the bodies high.

238 lostlakehiker  Mon, May 30, 2011 1:32:49am

re: #172 ausador

Please don’t get ticked off too easily, many people down in the lower 48 actually believe the puff pieces the media feed them about ANWR. That it is some small ecological paradise that needs to be protected from oil exploration and development so as not to disturb the Caribou.

They have not been there, they have not seen it, they don’t know that ANWR alone is as large as most of the states down here and that the majority of it is pretty much lifeless mudflats. They don’t know that on the North Slope the Caribou herds that were dying out from Native American “subsistence” hunting now have rebounded and are reaching record levels.

The fourty thousand acres or so of ANWR that the oil companies want to use would irreparably destroy the entire eco system and kill the poor baby Caribou, they have been told it, they accept it, they just don’t know any better, sorry. :(

(17 year Alaska resident)

Yeah, we could drill ANWR and get some oil. We probably should. The pipeline there is already built, and it was very expensive, and if we don’t get new oil to feed it, it’ll freeze up. It’s a bad idea to write off expensive infrastructure.

But drilling baby drilling won’t make much difference. ANWR is a drop in the bucket. World oil prices won’t even wiggle.

Long term? The problem is now a near-term problem. Oil supplies are going to be tight from here on in, and that’s putting to the side a problem that cannot really be put aside: there’s no safe place to put the CO2.

The only point of drilling would be that in order to build the new wind/solar/nuclear infrastructure we must quickly put in place, we have to use oil. For the time being, even the best policy involves large scale use of oil as a motor vehicle fuel and as feedstock to the chemical industry.

239 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 30, 2011 1:34:55am

re: #237 lostlakehiker

Odd. Windsagio calls out the Magic Kingdom for the evil that it is.

Odder still, you seem (note the emphasis) to object with a list of other evil regimes. No argument on them, BTW.

Even odder still, I find myself compelled to point out such oddities regarding your response to a commenter I generally disagree with on such matters nearly all the time.

Yep, this here is the End Times.

240 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, May 30, 2011 1:36:44am

re: #238 lostlakehiker

Yeah, we could drill ANWR and get some oil. We probably should. The pipeline there is already built, and it was very expensive, and if we don’t get new oil to feed it, it’ll freeze up. It’s a bad idea to write off expensive infrastructure.

But drilling baby drilling won’t make much difference. ANWR is a drop in the bucket. World oil prices won’t even wiggle.

Long term? The problem is now a near-term problem. Oil supplies are going to be tight from here on in, and that’s putting to the side a problem that cannot really be put aside: there’s no safe place to put the CO2.

The only point of drilling would be that in order to build the new wind/solar/nuclear infrastructure we must quickly put in place, we have to use oil. For the time being, even the best policy involves large scale use of oil as a motor vehicle fuel and as feedstock to the chemical industry.

Yeah. It’s very easy to dismiss anyone who opposes ANWR drilling as a naive, but there is no bloody point to pretending that just drilling will solve our problems. We need a plan. If ANWR needs to be part of that, we can discuss it, but just fantasizing that a little more oil will see us through is silly.

241 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 30, 2011 1:52:15am

re: #240 SanFranciscoZionist

I say we reserve it in the event that the world supplies begin to dwindle, and we have yet to find another viable way to mass produce the synthetics so key to our modern society.

Imagine your apartment, or a hospital, without plastic, rubber, nylon, or anything of the sort. And that’s just the tip of the nightmarish iceberg.

242 EdDantes  Mon, May 30, 2011 1:57:03am

re: #241 Slumbering Behemoth

We need an alternative to male bicyclists wearing spandex.

243 freetoken  Mon, May 30, 2011 2:00:40am

re: #242 EdDantes

We need an alternative to male bicyclists wearing spandex.

Here

244 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 30, 2011 2:02:43am

re: #242 EdDantes

We need an alternative to male bicyclists wearing spandex.

Heh, no. You need an alternative to male bicyclists wearing spandex.

And frankly, I’d say that’s a personal problem, not a national or global one.

I mean, c’mon. You could find at least one dude who would switch to a gaucho costume if you asked. I bet you wouldn’t even have to pay much for that.

245 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 30, 2011 2:04:03am

re: #243 freetoken

Ur so rong.

246 EdDantes  Mon, May 30, 2011 2:12:48am

re: #244 Slumbering Behemoth

I saw a guy about 65 years old come in to a lobby in his biking outfit and I thought, ” You could st least wear a jock strap under that.” Not a pretty picture.

247 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, May 30, 2011 2:13:28am

Y’all are stupid. I’m leaving.

/Idaho Sarah

248 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, May 30, 2011 2:33:35am

re: #76 palomino

Better than Palin, Bachmann or Gingrich? That’s setting the bar pretty low.

Seriously. Scraping the bottom of three barrels.

249 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, May 30, 2011 2:40:38am

re: #185 Slumbering Behemoth

The half-term, no hitter quitter just bought herself a lovely mansion in Arizona. If the Idahoan known as Sarah Palin has any plans for 2012, that’s where it will be.

She probably thinks the revanchist, reactionary wave running through AZ recently will work in her favor for gaining a seat somewhere in AZ. And she may well be right. But that petulant little child of Idaho will shit and quit on the people Arizona just as quickly as she did on the people Alaska if things don’t go her way.

She’s feinting at the Oval Office, but aiming at something in Arizona. Bet me.

I think she’s gunning for 2016, personally.

Please, no one make any smart remarks because I said “gunning” in a Sarah Palin post.

250 Varek Raith  Mon, May 30, 2011 3:08:09am

re: #249 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I think she’s gunning for 2016, personally.

Please, no one make any smart remarks because I said “gunning” in a Sarah Palin post.

What about making dumb remarks??
;)

251 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, May 30, 2011 3:21:17am

re: #249 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Out of curiosity, where do you live at?

And equally unrelated, a friend of mine (with the awesome name of Crystal Mary) invited me to a “Loving Celebration”— a party remembering Loving vs. Virginia, the court case that struck down interracial marriage. DJ Spooky is going to be there, who’s one of my favorite DJs. New York rocks sometimes.

252 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 3:26:13am

I hope we all remember what today is. Today we get washers and dryers half off!! And cars? We got cars!! No money down, 0% interest, we’ll give you eleveny!!gazzillion dollars for your trade in!! No credit? No problem!!
Oh, and I heard some people died today.
/just my little slam.

Good morning Honcos.

253 Varek Raith  Mon, May 30, 2011 3:29:23am

re: #251 Obdicut

Out of curiosity, where do you live at?

And equally unrelated, a friend of mine (with the awesome name of Crystal Mary) invited me to a “Loving Celebration“— a party remembering Loving vs. Virginia, the court case that struck down interracial marriage. DJ Spooky is going to be there, who’s one of my favorite DJs. New York rocks sometimes.

Blatant false advertisement.
/
;)

254 researchok  Mon, May 30, 2011 3:53:59am

Morning, all

255 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 4:09:21am

I wanted to link to a story about Iran starting its own interwebz, but it is a WSJ story and you need to be a member or sign up for the service, which I’m not doing.
Point being: Iran? Your own interwebz? Really? And to promote Islamic moral codes? Every hacker/spammer in the world will look forward to crashing your tincan/string communications network and delivering HOT NEKKID BLONDE spam to your users.

256 researchok  Mon, May 30, 2011 4:13:44am

re: #255 Cannadian Club Akbar

Try this

257 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 4:14:52am

re: #256 researchok

Try this

When you click the “continue reading” button it pulls up an advertisement page.

258 researchok  Mon, May 30, 2011 4:17:28am

re: #257 Cannadian Club Akbar

When you click the “continue reading” button it pulls up an advertisement page.

OK, go to the Google news page, search ‘Iran internet’ and the article comes up in it’s entirety

259 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 4:19:16am

re: #256 researchok

I was able to pull up the comments page. Some douche called Iran a free country. Wow!!

260 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 4:20:07am

re: #258 researchok

OK, go to the Google news page, search ‘Iran internet’ and the article comes up in it’s entirety

I did. The ones I clicked on went back to the WSJ. It’s no big deal.

261 researchok  Mon, May 30, 2011 4:20:50am

We tried

262 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 4:21:40am

re: #261 researchok

We tried

Maybe Iran shut us out!! Tricky fuckers, those Mullahs!!

263 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 4:29:17am

Interwebz freedom in Iran.

264 researchok  Mon, May 30, 2011 4:31:12am

re: #263 Cannadian Club Akbar

Interwebz freedom in Iran.

Good stuff

TY

265 researchok  Mon, May 30, 2011 4:31:59am

I have to get horizontal again…

BBL

266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 30, 2011 4:49:43am

re: #246 EdDantes

I saw a guy about 65 years old come in to a lobby in his biking outfit and I thought, ” You could st least wear a jock strap under that.” Not a pretty picture.

Spandex is a right, not a privilege.

267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 30, 2011 4:54:38am

The Saudi Prince is right.

Serious question. What is the engine that will drive the economy of the Middle East without oil?

The last I heard sand exports were pretty low. Exporting terrorism ain’t worked out too well. Poppies don’t grow everywhere.

Without oil, it is going to be more of a wasteland than it is.

268 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 4:58:19am

re: #267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The Saudi Prince is right.

Serious question. What is the engine that will drive the economy of the Middle East without oil?

The last I heard sand exports were pretty low. Exporting terrorism ain’t worked out too well. Poppies don’t grow everywhere.

Without oil, it is going to be more of a wasteland than it is.

And then you can count on them blaming the West, Little Stan (Israel) and whoever else.

269 PhillyPretzel  Mon, May 30, 2011 4:58:36am

re: #263 Cannadian Club Akbar
I subscribe to The Wall Street Journal. I will try to post the article in LGF pages.

270 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 4:59:38am

re: #268 Cannadian Club Akbar

And then you can count on them blaming the West, Little Stan (Israel) and whoever else.

Actually, I should have said “Their Leaders will blame…” My bad.

271 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 5:00:51am

re: #269 PhillyPretzel

I posted my #263 link there.

272 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, May 30, 2011 5:01:49am

re: #255 Cannadian Club Akbar

Iran starting its own interwebz

Yeah that’ll totally work.

273 PhillyPretzel  Mon, May 30, 2011 5:03:37am

Okay. That is Forbes. It will do.

274 PhillyPretzel  Mon, May 30, 2011 5:08:18am

WSJ is only letting me print a link. Darn.

275 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 30, 2011 5:13:45am

re: #263 Cannadian Club Akbar

That’ll work. Wait. No, that won’t work at all.

Wherever there are computers? There a nerds.

Wherever there are nerds? There are ways around things using computers.

276 PhillyPretzel  Mon, May 30, 2011 5:19:56am

re: #275 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Not a nerd. Just someone who uses the internet.

277 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 30, 2011 5:20:31am

Good morning lizards!

I have lots of yard work & house cleaning to do but I wanted to post something again I did in 2006 on Memorial Day:

This morning I took my little girls to the church, found a veteran, and paid respect.

First we put flowers on the grave…

…then a thank you card…

…and finally we each put a flag on the grave.

Thank you for your sacrifice Mr Anderson. Dear Lord, please take care of him and all the soldiers who have died and please protect the ones who are in harm’s way. AMEN.

Rest in Peace Harry.

278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 30, 2011 5:27:51am

re: #277 NJDhockeyfan

That. Is. Awesome.

279 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 30, 2011 5:29:32am

re: #276 PhillyPretzel

Not a nerd. Just someone who uses the internet.

The nerds figure it out, then teach us.

280 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 30, 2011 5:30:26am

re: #278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That. Is. Awesome.

Thanks!

That’s when my little punkins were only 3 years old. We had some fun that day.

281 PhillyPretzel  Mon, May 30, 2011 5:31:22am

re: #279 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yes they do.

282 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 5:31:23am

re: #277 NJDhockeyfan

Born during WW1.
Died in WW2.
The Depression in the middle.

283 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 30, 2011 5:34:02am

re: #282 Cannadian Club Akbar

Born during WW1.
Died in WW2.
The Depression in the middle.

I emailed it out to all our friends that morning. A girl thanked me for it and told me that was her uncle.

284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 30, 2011 5:37:35am

re: #282 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have four uncles who served in WWII. All four survived, most are still alive. We were darn lucky.

285 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, May 30, 2011 5:38:59am

re: #267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oil will still be necessary. It’s a great building material. Burning it is the problem.

286 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 30, 2011 5:39:44am

re: #284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have four uncles who served in WWII. All four survived, most are still alive. We were darn lucky.

No doubt. I only have one member of my family associated with WWII that I know of and he was killed by the Nazi s in Poland according to my grandmother.

287 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, May 30, 2011 5:39:46am

re: #285 Obdicut

To clarify: the price of oil will drop significantly, which means the Arab countries will actually have to do stuff like educate their citizenry and develop other technologies, but oil will still be valuable enough that they won’t just be gormless nothing-havers.

288 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 5:40:23am

I’m kinda surprised History Channel isn’t running a Band of Brothers marathon today.

289 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 5:42:32am

re: #286 NJDhockeyfan

One of the things in my Bucket List is to visit Poland.

290 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 30, 2011 5:42:43am

re: #288 Cannadian Club Akbar

I’m kinda surprised History Channel isn’t running a Band of Brothers marathon today.

One of my favorite movies was on TCM yesterday but I was too busy outside to watch it.

Here is his diary:

Sgt. Alvin C. York’s Diary

*On October 8, 1918, Corporal Alvin C. York of the 328th Infantry fought a desperate battle with a German machine gun detachment and brought into camp 132 prisoners. He was promoted to a sergeancy, awarded the D.S.C., the French Croixde de Guerre, many other decorations, and generally acclaimed the greatest individual hero of the war. Much has been written about him, but here, he tells his own story.

291 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 30, 2011 5:48:13am

re: #289 Cannadian Club Akbar

One of the things in my Bucket List is to visit Poland.

I posted something about the terror inflicted on Poland by the Nazi’s the other day on LGF Pages. Check it out.

292 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 5:48:53am

List of baseball players who served in WW2….
baseballinwartime.com

293 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 30, 2011 5:50:04am

re: #290 NJDhockeyfan

“I didn’t have time to dodge behind a tree or dive into the brush, I didn’t even have time to kneel or lie down. I had no time no how to do nothing but watch them-there German machine gunners and give them the best I had. Every time I seed a German I just touched him off. At first I was shooting from a prone position; that is lying down; just like we often shoot at the targets in the shooting matches in the mountains of Tennessee; and it was just about the same distance. But the targets here were bigger. I just couldn’t miss a German’s head or body at that distance. And I didn’t.”


-Sgt York was a total bad-ass. Don’t piss off a pacifist.

294 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 30, 2011 5:52:18am

re: #292 Cannadian Club Akbar

List of baseball players who served in WW2…
[Link: www.baseballinwartime.com…]

Awesome!

Here’s another list: HOLLYWOOD & THE STARS WHO SERVED IN WORLD WAR II

295 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 5:54:29am

re: #291 NJDhockeyfan

I am half Polish and half German. Not sure if any extended family served anywhere.

296 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 5:55:45am

re: #294 NJDhockeyfan

Charles Bronson and Lee Marvin. I shoulda seen that coming!!!

297 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 30, 2011 5:57:51am

re: #296 Cannadian Club Akbar

Charles Bronson and Lee Marvin. I shoulda seen that coming!!!

Mel Brooks

Served in the U.S. Army as a combat engineer and took part in the Battle of the Bulge. His main job was to deactivate land mines. After the battle, the Germans broadcast to the U.S. troops via loudspeaker and Brooks answered by doing an Al Jolson imitation of “Toot Toot Tootsie”.

I didn’t know that. Cool!

298 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 30, 2011 5:59:36am

Another bad-ass:

George H. W. Bush, the youngest commissioned pilot in the U.S. Navy, flew Avengers from the aircraft carrier U.S.S. San Jacinto. He was shot down in the sea while attacking a Jap radio site in Iwo Jima. He was rescued by the sub U.S.S. Finback which was photographed by a crewman. Bush was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross for continuing his attack on the radio site and later three air medals.

299 PhillyPretzel  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:00:45am

The unit my dad served in during WWII. shaef.org

300 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:02:30am

re: #299 PhillyPretzel

The unit my dad served in during WWII. [Link: www.shaef.org…]

Awesome!

301 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:02:37am

By the war’s end, Murphy had become the nation’s most-decorated soldier, earning an unparalleled 28 medals, including three from France and one from Belgium. Murphy had been wounded three times during the war, yet, in May 1945, when victory was declared in Europe, he had still not reached his 21st birthday.

angelfire.com

302 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:04:36am

I gotta go get some work done outside. Have a great Memorial Day lizards!

303 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:04:50am

re: #297 NJDhockeyfan

I didn’t know that. Cool!

That list should be renamed “People not to Fucked With”.:)

304 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:05:30am

re: #303 Cannadian Club Akbar

Drop the ed. PIMF, D’oh!!

305 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:08:00am

My father-in-law (the 8 year old Coyote Grabber) was a real live war hero in Korea. Pulled a freakin’ machine gun off its nest, waded into the enemy and killed everyfuckingbody that was an enemy and freed his platoon. Was in Chosin Reservoir… Five feet six, 120 lbs when he was in the Army.

I shit you not.

306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:08:28am

OT… Jim Tressel resigns as the Ohio State football coach.

307 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:10:57am

re: #306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OT… Jim Tressel resigns as the Ohio State football coach.

dispatch.com

308 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:11:54am

Required Memorial Day Reading…

309 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:14:38am

re: #306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OT… Jim Tressel resigns as the Ohio State football coach.

I remember the year the University of Florida won national championships in football and basketball. Both teams played Ohio State.

310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:15:02am

re: #305 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My father-in-law (the 80 year old Coyote Grabber) was a real live war hero in Korea. Pulled a freakin’ machine gun off its nest, waded into the enemy and killed everyfuckingbody that was an enemy and freed his platoon. Was in Chosin Reservoir… Five feet six, 120 lbs when he was in the Army.

I shit you not.

Had to fix that. My FIL is not 8 years old.

311 PhillyPretzel  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:15:12am

re: #308 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Impressive. I would read more if the “have sex with vampires” ad wasn’t there.

312 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:16:16am

re: #284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have four uncles who served in WWII. All four survived, most are still alive. We were darn lucky.

My grandmother’s brother was drafted into the Army and served in the Pacific during WWII. He was about 6’6” and might have weighed 160lbs. He had a razor-sharp, bone-dry sense of humor, and smoked like a forest fire. Filterless Camels, 24/7. Accordingly, he died of cancer, and had the temerity to do so while I was still too young to really appreciate his life’s experience.

I don’t know very much about his service in WWII, but I do know that he was on Guadalcanal, behind the Marines. He was apparently a flamethrower operator, and I suspect that is a special kind of hell I’d prefer not to experience.

Image: dGYCp.jpg

313 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:16:29am

re: #266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Spandex is a right, not a privilege.

Oops. Strike that. Reverse it.

Spandex is a privilege, not a right.

314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:17:59am

re: #312 negativ

Awesome. My Uncle Van was at Guadalcanal.

Only began talking about it two years ago. He’s 85 years old.

315 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:18:17am

re: #311 PhillyPretzel

Impressive. I would read more if the “have sex with vampires” ad wasn’t there.

I thought the same thing. We suck.
/

316 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:18:19am

re: #312 negativ

Great pic.

317 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:18:52am

re: #311 PhillyPretzel

Impressive. I would read more if the “have sex with vampires” ad wasn’t there.

Don’t let that stop you. It is an awesome read.

318 sattv4u2  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:20:06am

re: #317 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Get thrown out of any more houses lately!?!?

319 abolitionist  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:20:32am

GE sees solar cheaper than fossil fuels in 5 years - May 26, 2011

Solar power may be cheaper than electricity generated by fossil fuels and nuclear reactors within three to five years because of innovations, said Mark M. Little, the global research director for General Electric Co. (GE)

Check out the graph. It’s from the IPCC Special Report Renewable Energy Sources - pdf

320 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:23:25am

re: #318 sattv4u2

There’s always tomorrow.

321 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:24:44am

re: #305 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My recently deceased friend and hero:

jstor.org
newscenter.berkeley.edu

He did five separate landings, under fire every time, and won the Navy Commendation Medal for picking up wounded men at Omaha beach, completely regardless of his own safety. He then went on to give the most badass answer ever to McCarthyism: refusing to sign the loyalty oath not only because he felt it was unethical but because he had already sworn an oath to the US Navy to uphold the Constitution, and he felt that signing a loyalty oath would violate that greater oath to the Constitution.

He never made much of it, but I never saw Charles exhibit fear, though he often talked about being afraid. He once had a single-engine plane that he was piloting, with which he was unfamiliar, get struck by lightning. Staying calm, he was able to restart it and land safely at an airport. A mutual friend who was with him in the plane said that never once during that did Charles swear or panic in the least.

I miss him a lot.

322 sattv4u2  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:27:01am

re: #319 abolitionist

Solar power may be cheaper than electricity generated by fossil fuels said Mark M. Little, the global research director for General Electric Co.

Tomorrow,,,,

“Fossil fuel will remain the cheapest and best energy source for many decades to come, said John Doe, global research director for Big oil’

:)

323 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:28:15am

re: #322 sattv4u2

Plus, I don’t see a GE exec saying, “Nope. Not a chance. Thanks for stopping by”.

324 sattv4u2  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:28:39am

re: #321 Obdicut

Sounds like a helluva guy
How/where did you meet him?

325 sattv4u2  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:33:05am

Helluva an end to two good auto races yesterday

A rookie slams into the wall while way out front in the Indy 500

Dale Jr. runs out of gas thisclosetothefinishline in Charlotte

I can almost hear Dales wife

“I told you we should have filled up at that last place”

326 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:34:01am

re: #321 Obdicut

I find it amazing the amount of people, from all walks of life, who put their lives on hold to fight in WW2.

327 sattv4u2  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:35:17am

re: #326 Cannadian Club Akbar

I find it amazing the amount of people, from all walks of life, who put their lives on hold to fight in WW2.

Dad had to trick his parents into signing the paper to let him into the navy. He was only 17

Thanks dad!

328 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:36:19am

re: #314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Awesome. My Uncle Van was at Guadalcanal.

Only began talking about it two years ago. He’s 85 years old.

Sounds like one of those characters from The Pacific…

329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:37:51am

re: #328 ralphieboy

When he started talking about it, it was in a journal that he wrote… sent it around for everyone to read. Very humbling read.

330 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:41:04am

re: #327 sattv4u2

My dad was drafted right after the Armistice in Korea was signed. He remembers the letter he received..”Greetings and salutations from your United States government…”

331 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:41:36am

re: #324 sattv4u2

He was my dad’s teacher and mentor at Berkeley, and then became a family friend.

332 sattv4u2  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:48:19am

I see GOOGLE went all out for Memorial Day!
/
google.com

333 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 6:50:26am

re: #332 sattv4u2

I see GOOGLE went all out for Memorial Day!
/
[Link: www.google.com…]

Their sickle and hammer flag is at the cleaners.
///

334 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:01:42am

re: #332 sattv4u2

I see GOOGLE went all out for Memorial Day!
/
[Link: www.google.com…]

Shmucks. Memorial Day surely deserves more than some artists birthday.

335 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:16:44am

Arlington photos from Life…
life.com

336 darthstar  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:16:59am

re: #332 sattv4u2

I see GOOGLE went all out for Memorial Day!
/
[Link: www.google.com…]

I like it…it has a kind of minimalist flair to it. Memorial day shouldn’t be a big flashy thing. Also, there’s a chance that their in house artist who does the logos for special occasions just did a really crappy job and the company thought it was better to skip the logo change altogether.

Or maybe they just hate America.

337 sattv4u2  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:22:16am

re: #336 darthstar

Or maybe they just hate America.

Not saying nor even implying that

And no, I didn’t want/expect some huge joyous celebratory display

YET,,,,,, I’m sure with all their $$$ they must employ more than one “house artist” and if thats the best that the lot of them can come up with ,,,,

338 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:22:49am

re: #336 darthstar

I like it…it has a kind of minimalist flair to it. Memorial day shouldn’t be a big flashy thing. Also, there’s a chance that their in house artist who does the logos for special occasions just did a really crappy job and the company thought it was better to skip the logo change altogether.

Or maybe they just hate America.

I don’t think they hate America, I just don’t think they care as much about the troops as they do about other things. I admit I say that based more feeling than on hard evidence.

339 sattv4u2  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:24:28am

re: #336 darthstar

re: #338 Dark_Falcon

I don’t think they hate America, I just don’t think they care as much about the troops as they do about other things. I admit I say that based more feeling than on hard evidence.

Hell,, all they had to do was GOOGLE “Memorial Day Art”

They could have chosen any one of over 9 MILLION hits!!!

:)

340 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:27:36am

re: #338 Dark_Falcon

I don’t think they hate America, I just don’t think they care as much about the troops as they do about other things. I admit I say that based more feeling than on hard evidence.

Maybe. But remember they did nothing at all for a time.

341 sattv4u2  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:30:02am

re: #340 Cannadian Club Akbar

Maybe. But remember they did nothing at all for a time.

Sounds like you and FBV!

342 lostlakehiker  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:30:04am

re: #147 freetoken

Because generations of Americans associated a college education with social upward mobility.

Unfortunately (as if often the case) the cause and effect got confused.

I.e., people who went to Harvard didn’t necessarily become rich by being at Harvard, their family was already well placed socially.

Secondly, public education became one of the principal tools for social engineering, e.g., addressing racism. A good sentiment but had an unfortunate side effect of degrading those jobs that didn’t require lots of formal education.

Do you mean to say that having a socially well placed family is the key to upward mobility? Because that’s sort of self contradictory. If your family is socially well placed, by definition the only social mobility open to you is the downward variety.

Upward mobility via education happens when someone with a family background from a lower quintile (say) earns admission to a good university, on merit, earns a degree in a useful and thinly staffed field, on merit, gets a good job in a career that has few qualified applicants because most people just can’t meet the demanding standards of the job, and succeeds in that career because he or she has both the education, and the native wit or talent, to do it well.

This is hardly the only upwardly mobile track. The entrepreneur, if he/she can bring it off, shoots to the top 1 percent or fraction of 1 percent in short order.

The skilled laborer, if his/her work isn’t automated out of existence, or if he/she can adapt as times change, goes to the first (at worst, second) quintile, and that’s usually a step up.

343 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:30:34am

Germany to shut down nuclear plants


Germany will close down all of its nuclear power plants by 2022, according to reports out Monday, as fallout from Japan’s disaster continues more than two months after the event.
344 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:32:00am

re: #341 sattv4u2

Sounds like you and FBV!

Yea. You seem to be working real hard right about now…no…hmmm….OK then!
/

345 sattv4u2  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:33:20am

re: #342 lostlakehiker
Well stated. Also, from the post you referenced
their family was already well placed socially.

I didn’t know Obamas family (amongst countless others, including several cousin of mine that attended Harvard) was “already well placed socially”

346 kirkspencer  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:34:11am

re: #319 abolitionist

GE sees solar cheaper than fossil fuels in 5 years - May 26, 2011

Check out the graph. It’s from the IPCC Special Report Renewable Energy Sources - pdf

Watch batteries - sorry, I mean ultracapacitors or battery/capacitor hybrids. They’re right on the edge of having energy and power densities that make them viable alternatives of gasoline.

347 sattv4u2  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:34:20am

re: #344 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yea. You seem to be working real hard right about now…no…hmmm…OK then!
/

Hey ,,, you think it’s easy?

I’ve already walked the doggies through the park, went to the grocery store, and most taxing of all, conversed with you!

348 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:34:58am

re: #343 Killgore Trout

Germany to shut down nuclear plants

Foolish social panic, that. Nuclear power is important and we cannot forsake it.

349 sattv4u2  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:36:02am

re: #348 Dark_Falcon

Foolish social panic, that. Nuclear power is important and we cannot forsake it.

Nahhh ,,

Germany is known for having lots of tsunamis hit!!

350 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:36:27am

re: #347 sattv4u2

Hey ,,, you think it’s easy?

I’ve already walked the doggies through the park, went to the grocery store, and most taxing of all, conversed with you!

It gets worse…you got mail!!!

351 sattv4u2  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:37:09am

re: #350 Cannadian Club Akbar

It gets worse…you got mail!!!

OH ,, THE HUMANITY!!!!

352 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:43:54am

re: #342 lostlakehiker

If your family is socially well placed, by definition the only social mobility open to you is the downward variety.

Nope. Only if your family was at the absolute upper echelon. It’s perfectly possible to have a socially well-placed family that goes on to climb even higher on the social/class ladder.

353 darthstar  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:46:09am

re: #340 Cannadian Club Akbar

Maybe. But remember they did nothing at all for a time.

But the expectation now is that they will always have something special for every day of significance and we’re offended if they don’t. Tomorrow is “World No Tobacco Day”…I expect the bastards will ignore that one, too.

354 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:47:31am

re: #353 darthstar

But the expectation now is that they will always have something special for every day of significance and we’re offended if they don’t. Tomorrow is “World No Tobacco Day”…I expect the bastards will ignore that one, too.

Na. Just the big holidays. And I support National Tobakkie Day everyday.
/

355 sattv4u2  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:48:29am

re: #350 Cannadian Club Akbar

It gets worse…you got mail!!!

Okay ,,,you made me do MORE work

I responded!

356 sattv4u2  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:49:19am

re: #352 Obdicut

Nope. Only if your family was at the absolute upper echelon. It’s perfectly possible to have a socially well-placed family that goes on to climb even higher on the social/class ladder.

Correct

I don’t really think there’s a “ceiling”

357 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:50:41am

re: #346 kirkspencer

And people thought there was gonna be no math today!!
che.sc.edu

358 sattv4u2  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:51:25am

re: #354 Cannadian Club Akbar

Na. Just the big holidays. And (cough cough) I support (hack hack) National Tobakkie (phlegm,,, spit) Day everyday. (hack hack)
/

ftfy!

359 darthstar  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:53:05am

re: #356 sattv4u2

Correct

I don’t really think there’s a “ceiling”

Must be a bitch for those people when they have to change a lightbulb.

360 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:53:34am

Haven’t the googler folks done a nice Memorial Day tribute or two?

361 darthstar  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:54:07am

re: #360 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Haven’t the googler folks done a nice Memorial Day tribute or two?

Bing it and find out.

362 sattv4u2  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:54:13am

re: #359 darthstar

Must be a bitch for those people when they have to change a lightbulb.

They have “people” that do that

363 sattv4u2  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:54:59am

re: #359 darthstar

re: #362 sattv4u2

They have “people” that do that

eikongraphia.com

364 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:58:20am

re: #361 darthstar

Bing it and find out.

I googled this. (there is no escape from google!!)
paulezimmerman.com

365 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:58:46am

re: #348 Dark_Falcon

Foolish social panic, that. Nuclear power is important and we cannot forsake it.

The Germans think they can do without it. I think Nuclear accounts for about 1/5 of their power and they already a world leader in renewable energy. They are positioning themselves to prosper by selling the technology as the rest ow the world catches up. It’s probably a smart move.

366 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 30, 2011 7:59:59am

Helping Google Create a Memorial Day Logo

Charles Johnson
Tue May 29, 2007 at 6:03 pm PDT • Views: 371


Google’s graphic designers must have a creative block. For years, they’ve been unable to come up with any ideas for a Google logo to mark Memorial Day.

Imagine these poor wage slave artists in their cubicles, firing up their fully-licensed copies of Photoshop again and again, year after year, and just drawing a complete blank. Staring and cursing at the Untitled Document window and coming up with nothing. It’s a shame, really.

I had forgotten about that. Now, I remember. But, I had forgotten.

367 _remembertonyc  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:00:58am

Greetings from Miami, site of the 2011 NBA Finals. Two of the hottest places on earth in June are Miami and Dallas. Why, oh why can’t they bring the NBA back to San Diego?

My prediction: Heat in 5 or 6 games.

368 sattv4u2  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:01:57am

re: #366 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Helping Google Create a Memorial Day Logo

Charles Johnson
Tue May 29, 2007 at 6:03 pm PDT • Views: 371

I had forgotten about that. Now, I remember. But, I had forgotten.

“I’m trying to think, but nothings happening”

Curly Howard, Three Stooges

369 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:02:00am

Here’s a link.

Some former lizards are in this… But it’s a fun walk down memory lane.

370 darthstar  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:02:36am

re: #364 Cannadian Club Akbar

I googled this. (there is no escape from google!!)
[Link: www.paulezimmerman.com…]

Google has a flag and a yellow ribbon on my browser. And Zimmerman said “RAMADAN!” so it’s obviously an evil muslim plot to impregnate our abortions with communism.

371 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:02:45am

re: #367 _remembertonyc

Ugh. I agree. But, ugh.

372 sattv4u2  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:02:49am

re: #369 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Here’s a link.

Some former lizards are in this… But it’s a fun walk down memory lane.

{sniff sniff}

Thanks

373 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:03:27am

re: #367 _remembertonyc

You working the game? Can you slip LeBron a mickey?

374 abolitionist  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:03:49am

re: #343 Killgore Trout

Germany to shut down nuclear plants

From Feb: China bets on thorium
Brand new nuclear programme within 20 years

China has committed itself to establishing an entirely new nuclear energy programme using thorium as a fuel, within 20 years. The LFTR (Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor) is a 4G reactor that uses liquid salt as both fuel and coolant. China uses the more general term TMSR (Thorium Molten-Salt Reactor).

The thorium fuel cycles produce almost no plutonium, and fewer higher-isotope nasties, the long-lived minor actinides. Thorium is much more abundant than uranium, and the reduced plutonium output eases proliferation concerns. The energy output per tonne is also attractive, even though thorium isn’t itself a fissile material.

Thorium reactors are also safer, with the fuel contained in a low-pressure reactor vessel, which means smaller (sub-500MWe) reactors may be worth building. The first Molten-Salt Breeder prototype was built at Oak Ridge in 1950, with an operational reactor running from 1965 to 1969. Six heavy-water thorium reactors are planned in India, which has the world’s largest thorium deposits.
[snip]

Why didn’t we go this route half a century ago? Couldn’t make bombs that way.

375 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:04:50am

re: #374 abolitionist

From Feb: China bets on thorium
Brand new nuclear programme within 20 years

Why didn’t we go this route half a century ago? Couldn’t make bombs that way.

Damn, I’ve never even heard of that before.

376 sattv4u2  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:05:07am

re: #367 _remembertonyc

Greetings from Miami, site of the 2011 NBA Finals. Two of the hottest places on earth in June are Miami and Dallas. Why, oh why can’t they bring the NBA back to San Diego?

My prediction: Heat in 5 or 6 games.

Cry me a river
It’s going to be in the mid to high 80’s for the next several days

MEANWHILE ,,, here in Atlanta, we’ll be getting another day in the low 90’s! WITH humidity already!!

Joy!

377 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:05:15am

re: #365 Killgore Trout

The Germans think they can do without it. I think Nuclear accounts for about 1/5 of their power and they already a world leader in renewable energy. They are positioning themselves to prosper by selling the technology as the rest ow the world catches up. It’s probably a smart move.

I don’t agree. The newer reactors are quite safe and can produce power more cheaply than renewables without CO@ emissions. No reason to move against them, other than public fear and kowtow to the Greens (never a smart move).

378 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:05:48am

Some Republicans moving ahead with the socialist takeover….
Republican governors move ahead on health exchanges

379 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:06:09am

re: #376 sattv4u2

Cry me a river
It’s going to be in the mid to high 80’s for the next several days

MEANWHILE ,,, here in Atlanta, we’ll be getting another day in the low 90’s! WITH humidity already!!

Joy!

Pfft. 95 yesterday. 95 today.

380 sattv4u2  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:06:52am

re: #379 Cannadian Club Akbar

Pfft. 95 yesterday. 95 today.

DIFFERENCE

YOU can go jump in the ocean?

Me ,,, my bathtub!

381 darthstar  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:07:40am

re: #375 Killgore Trout

Damn, I’ve never even heard of that before.

Ask your energy secretary if Thorium is right for you.
(Side effects include swelling of the punditry, more drill here, drill now quotes from the Paylin types, bloating of the defense budget, and a reduction in tax size).

382 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:07:56am

re: #377 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree. The newer reactors are quite safe and can produce power more cheaply than renewables without CO2 emissions. No reason to move against them, other than public fear and kowtow to the Greens (never a smart move).

oops

383 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:08:15am

re: #380 sattv4u2

DIFFERENCE

YOU can go jump in the ocean?

Me ,,, my bathtub!

I don’t live on the ocean, I live on the gulf. And I can only jump in later when I go boating with friends!! (I fucked that argument up, didn’t I?)

384 darthstar  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:08:53am

re: #378 Killgore Trout

Some Republicans moving ahead with the socialist takeover…
Republican governors move ahead on health exchanges

Some people are just determined to fuck up any progress this country makes in treating its people like people.

385 darthstar  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:10:13am

re: #380 sattv4u2

DIFFERENCE

YOU can go jump in the ocean?

Me ,,, my bathtub!

Rub-a-dub-dub…

386 darthstar  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:11:04am

re: #383 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don’t live on the ocean, I live on the gulf. And I can only jump in later when I go boating with friends!! (I fucked that argument up, didn’t I?)

Hey, only two days until Hurricane season…are you excited? The gulf is warmer than ever!

387 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:11:14am

re: #381 darthstar

Ask your energy secretary if Thorium is right for you.
(Side effects include swelling of the punditry, more drill here, drill now quotes from the Paylin types, bloating of the defense budget, and a reduction in tax size).

Still worth doing if it works. Less CO2 emissions, construction and running of the plants by private companies with less government funding: What’s not to like?

388 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:12:17am

re: #384 darthstar

Horseshit. How you even get to that way of thinking is beyond me.

389 darthstar  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:12:27am

re: #387 Dark_Falcon

What’s not to like?

Knowing that I’ll be in my late sixties before we break ground on the first such plant in the US (and I’m in my 40s now).

390 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:13:16am

re: #386 darthstar

Hey, only two days until Hurricane season…are you excited? The gulf is warmer than ever!

I’ll strap myself to a flag pole and wave as your city falls into the bay following an 8.2!!!
/That was wrong. I wish no ill will on anyone.:)

391 austin_blue  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:14:44am

re: #172 ausador

Please don’t get ticked off too easily, many people down in the lower 48 actually believe the puff pieces the media feed them about ANWR. That it is some small ecological paradise that needs to be protected from oil exploration and development so as not to disturb the Caribou.

They have not been there, they have not seen it, they don’t know that ANWR alone is as large as most of the states down here and that the majority of it is pretty much lifeless mudflats. They don’t know that on the North Slope the Caribou herds that were dying out from Native American “subsistence” hunting now have rebounded and are reaching record levels.

The fourty thousand acres or so of ANWR that the oil companies want to use would irreparably destroy the entire eco system and kill the poor baby Caribou, they have been told it, they accept it, they just don’t know any better, sorry. :(

(17 year Alaska resident)

One of the major problems on the North Slope is that that they have lost almost half of their drilling days since the beginning of production started up there.

planetark.org

(Note that this story is from 2003. It’s gotten much worse.)

392 Gus  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:15:05am

Mmmm, mmmm. Red Baron French bread pizza. The breakfast of champions!

393 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:15:41am

How do I send a private email to Charles?

394 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:15:48am

re: #389 darthstar

Knowing that I’ll be in my late sixties before we break ground on the first such plant in the US (and I’m in my 40s now).

That’s a solvable problem. Just limit the opportunities to obstruct construction by streamlining approvals. Then get a PR campaign showing how much safer and better these plants will be. Talk to people about how much money they’ll save and they’ll riding the environmentalists out of town on a rail. Money talks.

395 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:16:06am

re: #392 Gus 802

Mmmm, mmm. Red Baron French bread pizza. The breakfast of champions!

They also make an outstanding Mexican Pizza.

396 austin_blue  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:16:32am

re: #375 Killgore Trout

Damn, I’ve never even heard of that before.

Here ya go:

en.wikipedia.org

397 RadicalModerate  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:17:03am

Surprise, surprise.

Another Andrew Brietbart “exclusive” exposed as a manufactured story - and it’s looking like the source of the allegations, Dan Wolfe (aka “patriotusa76”) might have been the actual instigator.

Alleged Weinergate ‘Mistress’ Speaks Out

Gennette Cordova, the Seattle-area student who received a picture of an erection covered in underwear from the Twitter account of Rep. Anthony Weiner (D - N.Y.), released a statement on Sunday, categorically denying she is Weiner’s “mistress” and cataloging the harassment she received from jeering conservatives on Twitter.

Cordova’s account, published in the New York Daily News, would seem to corroborate the theories of DailyKos user Stef, who tracked down the original source of the allegations against Weiner, Twitter user “patriotusa76” (real name Dan Wolfe).

As Stef notes, Wolfe appeared to have “foreknowledge that something was going to go down,” and Tweeted obsessively about Weiner and “young girls.” Cordova writes that she had been “harassed” by a Twitter user ever since Rep. Weiner had started following her; it seems clear that Wolfe was that Twitter user, and may be the person responsible for the congressman’s errant Tweet.

As for the supposed “mistress” who is the subject of the suggestive tweet?
Turns out that not only has she never met Rep. Weiner, she’s never been to either New York or Washington DC. And the lewd picture that she was supposedly sent? Deleted from Twitter before she even saw it.

From her statement regarding the story:

I am a 21-year-old college student from Seattle. I have never met Congressman Weiner, though I am a fan. I go to school in Bellingham where I spend all of my time; I’ve never been to New York or to DC. The point I am trying to make is that, contrary to the impression that I apparently gave from my tweet, I am not his girlfriend. Nor am I the wife, girlfriend or mistress of Barack Obama, Ray Allen or Cristiano Ronaldo, despite the fact that I have made similar assertions about them via Twitter.

There have never been any inappropriate exchanges between Anthony Weiner and myself, including the tweet/picture in question, which had apparently been deleted before it reached me. I cannot answer the questions that I do not have the answers to. I am not sure whether or not this letter will alleviate any future harassment. I also do not have a clear understanding as to how or why exactly I am involved in this fiasco. I do know that my life has been seriously impacted by speculation and faulty allegations. My reputation has been called into question by those who lack the character to report the facts.

398 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:17:20am

re: #393 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How do I send a private email to Charles?

Isn’t it Charles at littlegreenfootballs dot com?

399 Gus  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:17:30am

re: #395 Cannadian Club Akbar

They also make an outstanding Mexican Pizza.

What’s that like a pizza with Mexican fixings?

400 jaunte  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:17:33am

re: #386 darthstar

Hey, only two days until Hurricane season…are you excited? The gulf is warmer than ever!

It’s definitely time to get the hurricane supplies laid in.

Forecasters from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) are saying that as many as 6 major hurricanes could form in the Atlantic Basin throughout an above-normal 2011 hurricane season.
401 darthstar  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:17:35am

re: #388 Dark_Falcon

Horseshit. How you even get to that way of thinking is beyond me.

Aw, fuck…I got wrapped up in my own partisan bias again…I saw Walker and Barbour and assumed they were doing shit to fuck up Obama’s health care law…But at least the other three governors mentioned in the article support my thesis.

Daniels, Walker and Barbour are a stark contrast to Republican governors who are more stridently opposed to all aspects of health reform. Govs. Rick Scott of Florida, Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, and Susana Martinez of New Mexico have come out in fierce opposition of any kind of implementation.


They’re poisoning the well.

Still, I hate eating crow this early in the morning…especially when it’s salted with Walker and Barbour.

402 Gus  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:17:46am

re: #398 Cannadian Club Akbar

Isn’t it Charles at littlegreenfootballs dot com?

Yep.

403 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:18:02am

re: #392 Gus 802

Mmmm, mmm. Red Baron French bread pizza. The breakfast of champions!

Funny stuff, that. It uses an image of von Richtofen which bears little resemblance to the man. Marketing license, I know.

404 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:18:50am

re: #399 Gus 802

What’s that like a pizza with Mexican fixings?

I think cheddar cheese, tomatoes, maybe some kind of meat, corn chips. You’ll love it.

405 darthstar  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:19:28am

re: #394 Dark_Falcon

That’s a solvable problem. Just limit the opportunities to obstruct construction by streamlining approvals. Then get a PR campaign showing how much safer and better these plants will be. Talk to people about how much money they’ll save and they’ll riding the environmentalists out of town on a rail. Money talks.

The problem with that is someone will slip in language to any new laws allowing for drilling for oil at Old Faithful, on the Capitol Lawn, and at Disneyland.

406 jaunte  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:19:36am

re: #403 Dark_Falcon

totallylookslike.icanhascheezburger.com

407 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:21:02am

re: #401 darthstar

Aw, fuck…I got wrapped up in my own partisan bias again…I saw Walker and Barbour and assumed they were doing shit to fuck up Obama’s health care law…But at least the other three governors mentioned in the article support my thesis.


They’re poisoning the well.

Still, I hate eating crow this early in the morning…especially when it’s salted with Walker and Barbour.

Well, at least you admitted you were wrong and that you have a bias. Upding for honesty and willingness to admit error.

408 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:21:29am

re: #404 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think cheddar cheese, tomatoes, maybe some kind of meat, corn chips. You’ll love it.

Actually..
associatedcontent.com

409 Gus  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:21:37am

re: #406 jaunte

[Link: totallylookslike.icanhascheezburger.com…]

And that “Red Baron” could only use the left rudder pedal.

//My left foot.

//

410 darthstar  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:22:13am

re: #407 Dark_Falcon

Well, at least you admitted you were wrong and that you have a bias. Upding for honesty and willingness to admit error.

Humbug!

Okay…gotta get ready for company in an hour, a long bike ride, running the dogs, barbecuing a salmon…etc….etc… Have a good day everyone.

411 Varek Raith  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:23:37am

re: #407 Dark_Falcon

Well, at least you admitted you were wrong and that you have a bias. Upding for honesty and willingness to admit error.

Get a room!
/

412 Gus  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:24:10am

Ugh. We’re back again with the Hitchcock weather.

413 Interesting Times  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:24:59am

re: #397 RadicalModerate

Surprise, surprise.

Another Andrew Brietbart “exclusive” exposed as a manufactured story - and it’s looking like the source of the allegations, Dan Wolfe (aka “patriotusa76”) might have been the actual instigator.

Alleged Weinergate ‘Mistress’ Speaks Out

As for the supposed “mistress” who is the subject of the suggestive tweet?
Turns out that not only has she never met Rep. Weiner, she’s never been to either New York or Washington DC. And the lewd picture that she was supposedly sent? Deleted from Twitter before she even saw it.

From her statement regarding the story:

Disgusting. I wish there were a law that allowed her to file criminal stalking charges against that sniveling little piece of garbage Dan Wolfe (who was harassing her).

414 iceweasel  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:25:24am

re: #412 Gus 802

Ugh. We’re back again with the Hitchcock weather.

Yay, Gus is in the house! What’s up?

415 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:25:24am

re: #411 Varek Raith

Get a room!
/

Go fix your Sun Crusher’s hyperdrive!

/

416 Varek Raith  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:25:54am

re: #415 Dark_Falcon

Go fix your Sun Crusher’s hyperdrive!

/

That’s low man.
Low.
:P

417 jaunte  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:26:20am

re: #412 Gus 802

Birds storm?

418 Gus  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:27:07am

re: #414 iceweasel

Yay, Gus is in the house! What’s up?

Got up with the birds. Slept a little more warmly if you know what I mean — got another comforter. Was about to get back to work here and the client loves my initial design concept. :) Got the coffee machine running here too. What’s up with you?

419 iceweasel  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:28:47am

re: #418 Gus 802

Got up with the birds. Slept a little more warmly if you know what I mean — got another comforter. Was about to get back to work here and the client loves my initial design concept. :) Got the coffee machine running here too. What’s up with you?

Cool, congrats on the client loving your concept! Woot!

Jimmah’s off today and we’re just hanging around— we just both watched the Fountainhead (I’d never seen it) and laughed our heads off at it. Wingnuts in love!

420 Varek Raith  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:30:55am

re: #418 Gus 802

Got up with the birds. Slept a little more warmly if you know what I mean — got another comforter. Was about to get back to work here and the client loves my initial design concept. :) Got the coffee machine running here too. What’s up with you?

You design stuff?

421 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:31:28am

re: #404 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think cheddar cheese, tomatoes, maybe some kind of meat, corn chips. You’ll love it.

My favorite food is Mexican food, I used to be a waiter in a Mexican restaurant in Indiana. Now that’s where you go for Mexican.

Mexican food’s great, but it’s essentially all the same ingredients, so there’s a way you’d have to deal with all these stupid questions. “What is nachos?” “…Nachos? It’s tortilla with cheese, meat, and vegetables.” “Oh, well then what is a burrito?” “Tortilla with cheese, meat, and vegetables.” “Well then what is a tostada?” “Tortilla with cheese, meat, and vegetables.” “Well then what i-” “Look, it’s all the same shit! Why don’t you say a spanish word and I’ll bring you something.”

Mexican food is great, but it is all the same, it’s almost a conspiracy. It’s almost like they had a meeting 200 years ago in Mexico City and one guy stood up and he was like, “Hey, the reason I got everyone here is pretty simple, I figured we could rename this one entree seven times and sell it to the North Americans. The French said it would be a good idea.” “Who’s in on it?” Then some guy in the back was like, “Wouldn’t that be dishonest?” “Well, if you’re quiet we’ll name one of the entrees after you, what’s your name?” “My name’s Chimichanga.”

-Jim Gaffigan

422 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:31:29am

re: #419 iceweasel

Cool, congrats on the client loving your concept! Woot!

Jimmah’s off today and we’re just hanging around— we just both watched the Fountainhead (I’d never seen it) and laughed our heads off at it. Wingnuts in love!

Not really into watching a movie like that. Wouldn’t think the book would translate well unto the screen,

423 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:32:00am

re: #420 Varek Raith

You design stuff?

Is it the part of his comment where he said “my initial design” that gave it away?
/

424 Gus  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:33:55am

re: #419 iceweasel

Cool, congrats on the client loving your concept! Woot!

Jimmah’s off today and we’re just hanging around— we just both watched the Fountainhead (I’d never seen it) and laughed our heads off at it. Wingnuts in love!

Thanks. Days off are nice when they come by. No movies here but I do have a few lined up for after I reconnect my CD and DVD players on my machine. Got Inception and Hurt Locker.

425 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:34:27am

re: #421 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Taco Bell is all the same ingredients but with different shapes. And tonight is taco night at a local place. Big freakin’ tacos for 99 cents. And dollar Ritas!!

426 Gus  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:34:48am

re: #420 Varek Raith

You design stuff?

Yep. Stwange but twue! ;)

427 Varek Raith  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:35:12am

re: #423 Cannadian Club Akbar

Derp.
:P

428 Gus  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:36:13am

re: #417 jaunte

Birds storm?

They should invent a switch where you can make your vision black and white for added effect.

//

429 Jimmah  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:39:41am

re: #422 Dark_Falcon

Not really into watching a movie like that. Wouldn’t think the book would translate well unto the screen,

Well the movie was utter shite so I’m thinking it translated pretty well! Hilarious though.

I’d summarise it this way: Ayn Rand looks at mid-20th century America and sees…Communist Russia.

430 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:40:26am

Sorry I can’t stay and chat, especially with Ice. But the day calls and I’m out.

BBT

431 Gus  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:40:42am

Today would be a good day to hang out on the top floor of an old Victorian house listening to Moody Blues albums and smoking lots of pot with a hippie chick at my side.

//

432 iceweasel  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:43:14am

re: #430 Dark_Falcon

Sorry I can’t stay and chat, especially with Ice. But the day calls and I’m out.

BBT

Have fun DF!

433 Jimmah  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:43:43am

re: #431 Gus 802

Today would be a good day to hang out on the top floor of an old Victorian house listening to Moody Blues albums and smoking lots of pot with a hippie chick at my side.

//

Youtube Video
434 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:44:54am

Out as well. Need to figure out if I’ll be drinking beer by land or if by sea.:)

435 iceweasel  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:44:58am

re: #431 Gus 802

Today would be a good day to hang out on the top floor of an old Victorian house listening to Moody Blues albums and smoking lots of pot with a hippie chick at my side.

//

Why do I suspect you have stories about doing that?

436 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:45:28am

re: #431 Gus 802

Today would be a good day to hang out on the top floor of an old Victorian house listening to Moody Blues albums and smoking lots of pot with a hippie chick at my side.

//

Ugh. They do that freakin’ “hippie chick” dance, hands over their heads swaying, wiggling their arms… shudder.

I hate hippies so much…

437 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:45:57am

Gotta take care of some work stuff. Bye.

438 Gus  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:46:04am

re: #435 iceweasel

Why do I suspect you have stories about doing that?

Nah. Wish I did. Close though but involved hanging out with some dorky eccentric guy I knew in high school. ;)

439 lostlakehiker  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:47:09am

re: #346 kirkspencer

Watch batteries - sorry, I mean ultracapacitors or battery/capacitor hybrids. They’re right on the edge of having energy and power densities that make them viable alternatives of gasoline.

Batteries aren’t energy sources. They’re storage devices. Somehow, somewhere, the electricity must be generated in the first place. Nowadays, in most of the U.S., battery powered cars are coal-powered cars when you trace it back to the source.

And if that’s what it comes to, we’re hardly ahead of the game. Burning coal produces more CO2 per unit of energy than does burning oil or natural gas.

We have to issue permits for high-capacity long distance transmission lines from the windy zones, (often in national forest or grassland or such) to the nearest fairly big cities. Those can be some ways away.

It’s a bit of a chicken-egg situation. Without wind/solar electricity, electric cars don’t save CO2, or don’t save much. Without electric cars, the demand won’t be there for the new wind/solar electricity.

This calls for government intervention. Yep, I went and said it. Sometimes the free market isn’t quite the answer.

Don’t get me wrong. Often, it is, and yet the govt wants to intervene anyhow. Case in point: in WW1, we nationalized the RR’s because there was a war on.

In WW2, with the lessons of that fiasco still fresh in our memories, we left it to the RR companies to figure out which train went where. We just put in bids to ship tanks from MI to NY, and other traffic got outbid, and everything with high priority, (signaled by plain old money) got where it needed to go.

440 Jimmah  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:47:14am

re: #431 Gus 802

Today would be a good day to hang out on the top floor of an old Victorian house listening to Moody Blues albums and smoking lots of pot with a hippie chick at my side.

//

Youtube Video
441 kirkspencer  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:48:16am

re: #421 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My favorite food is Mexican food, I used to be a waiter in a Mexican restaurant in Indiana. Now that’s where you go for Mexican.

Mexican food’s great, but it’s essentially all the same ingredients, so there’s a way you’d have to deal with all these stupid questions. “What is nachos?” “…Nachos? It’s tortilla with cheese, meat, and vegetables.” “Oh, well then what is a burrito?” “Tortilla with cheese, meat, and vegetables.” “Well then what is a tostada?” “Tortilla with cheese, meat, and vegetables.” “Well then what i-” “Look, it’s all the same shit! Why don’t you say a spanish word and I’ll bring you something.”

Mexican food is great, but it is all the same, it’s almost a conspiracy. It’s almost like they had a meeting 200 years ago in Mexico City and one guy stood up and he was like, “Hey, the reason I got everyone here is pretty simple, I figured we could rename this one entree seven times and sell it to the North Americans. The French said it would be a good idea.” “Who’s in on it?” Then some guy in the back was like, “Wouldn’t that be dishonest?” “Well, if you’re quiet we’ll name one of the entrees after you, what’s your name?” “My name’s Chimichanga.”

-Jim Gaffigan

Well, if you get general enough steak and hamburger are the same thing.

Better for the analogy, steak tartar and hamburger and meatloaf are all the same thing.

(btw, Gaffigan’s routine: comedians.jokes.com )

442 Gus  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:48:32am

re: #440 Jimmah

[Video]

Hey man. Like wow man I’m hungry again.

443 Jimmah  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:51:04am

re: #442 Gus 802

Hey man. Like wow man I’m hungry again.

Heh. Last summer in New York, this was playing every time I went into the local FineFare:

Youtube Video
444 Gus  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:53:31am

re: #443 Jimmah

Heh. Last summer in New York, this was playing every time I went into the local FineFare:

[Video]

Marketing psyops! //

I went into a Nob Hill Market the other day. Never seen such expensive prices for food. Although they did have a few things on sale which were priced good. I swear I still feel like I traveled to a different country sometimes.

445 kirkspencer  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:54:47am

re: #439 lostlakehiker

Batteries aren’t energy sources. They’re storage devices. Somehow, somewhere, the electricity must be generated in the first place. Nowadays, in most of the U.S., battery powered cars are coal-powered cars when you trace it back to the source.

And if that’s what it comes to, we’re hardly ahead of the game. Burning coal produces more CO2 per unit of energy than does burning oil or natural gas.

We have to issue permits for high-capacity long distance transmission lines from the windy zones, (often in national forest or grassland or such) to the nearest fairly big cities. Those can be some ways away.

It’s a bit of a chicken-egg situation. Without wind/solar electricity, electric cars don’t save CO2, or don’t save much. Without electric cars, the demand won’t be there for the new wind/solar electricity.

This calls for government intervention. Yep, I went and said it. Sometimes the free market isn’t quite the answer.

Don’t get me wrong. Often, it is, and yet the govt wants to intervene anyhow. Case in point: in WW1, we nationalized the RR’s because there was a war on.

In WW2, with the lessons of that fiasco still fresh in our memories, we left it to the RR companies to figure out which train went where. We just put in bids to ship tanks from MI to NY, and other traffic got outbid, and everything with high priority, (signaled by plain old money) got where it needed to go.

OK, I wasn’t long-winded enough.

Gasoline’s major deal isn’t the energy source, it’s the energy storage that allows independent use; primarily for vehicles.

Solar power and windpower and all those are great while you’re connected to the solar and wind generator — and the sun is up or the wind is blowing.

When the energy/power density of “batteries” approaches that of gasoline, using them becomes a reasonable alternative. At this time they’re not - you get 90 miles per tank instead of 300 or so. The threshold (in my opinion) is when we get to 200 miles per “tank” for a family car.

446 iceweasel  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:56:32am

re: #444 Gus 802

Marketing psyops! //

I went into a Nob Hill Market the other day. Never seen such expensive prices for food. Although they did have a few things on sale which were priced good. I swear I still feel like I traveled to a different country sometimes.

It’s got to be hard to be in a different place after years in one place. And CA has always been a country of its own…

447 iceweasel  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:57:34am

Bye for now, off for dinner. Later, Gus!

448 Gus  Mon, May 30, 2011 8:59:27am

re: #446 iceweasel

It’s got to be hard to be in a different place after years in one place. And CA has always been a country of its own…

Yep. Big time. I’ve spent more than about a little less than half of my life in Colorado (Denver).

449 Gus  Mon, May 30, 2011 9:00:02am

re: #447 iceweasel

Bye for now, off for dinner. Later, Gus!

Later Ice and Jimmah!

450 Gus  Mon, May 30, 2011 9:00:27am

Think I’ll warm up by doing a little raking and sweeping and then get back to work.

Later folks.

451 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 30, 2011 9:02:08am

Israel Braces For Border Clashes In Coming Days


Facebook-organized activists have called for demonstrations next weekend in Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan to mark the anniversary of the 1967 Mideast war, in which Israel captured the West Bank, Gaza Strip east Jerusalem and Golan Heights.

The official said the army also is planning to counter possible unrest in the West Bank in September after an expected U.N. vote to recognize Palestinian independence.

452 austin_blue  Mon, May 30, 2011 9:20:04am

re: #421 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My favorite food is Mexican food, I used to be a waiter in a Mexican restaurant in Indiana. Now that’s where you go for Mexican.

Mexican food’s great, but it’s essentially all the same ingredients, so there’s a way you’d have to deal with all these stupid questions. “What is nachos?” “…Nachos? It’s tortilla with cheese, meat, and vegetables.” “Oh, well then what is a burrito?” “Tortilla with cheese, meat, and vegetables.” “Well then what is a tostada?” “Tortilla with cheese, meat, and vegetables.” “Well then what i-” “Look, it’s all the same shit! Why don’t you say a spanish word and I’ll bring you something.”

Mexican food is great, but it is all the same, it’s almost a conspiracy. It’s almost like they had a meeting 200 years ago in Mexico City and one guy stood up and he was like, “Hey, the reason I got everyone here is pretty simple, I figured we could rename this one entree seven times and sell it to the North Americans. The French said it would be a good idea.” “Who’s in on it?” Then some guy in the back was like, “Wouldn’t that be dishonest?” “Well, if you’re quiet we’ll name one of the entrees after you, what’s your name?” “My name’s Chimichanga.”

-Jim Gaffigan

Well, TexMex is pretty much all the same. Now, *Mexican* food, that’s different.

fondasanmiguel.com

for example.

453 austin_blue  Mon, May 30, 2011 9:28:14am

re: #445 kirkspencer

OK, I wasn’t long-winded enough.

Gasoline’s major deal isn’t the energy source, it’s the energy storage that allows independent use; primarily for vehicles.

Solar power and windpower and all those are great while you’re connected to the solar and wind generator — and the sun is up or the wind is blowing.

When the energy/power density of “batteries” approaches that of gasoline, using them becomes a reasonable alternative. At this time they’re not - you get 90 miles per tank instead of 300 or so. The threshold (in my opinion) is when we get to 200 miles per “tank” for a family car.

Or, you can do this:

betterplace.com

454 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 30, 2011 9:37:46am

The Kos kidz may have found the guy who hacked Wiener’s twitter account…
Breitbart’s #TwitterHoax - How It Went Down (updated w/ smoking gun)

It seems the guy who captured the screenshot was claiming two weeks ago that he had sex scandal pics of Wiener and was taunting him on twitter.

455 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 30, 2011 9:41:10am

More details here….
In Which Breitbart Breitbarts Breitbart

456 Kronocide  Mon, May 30, 2011 9:46:16am

David Stockman, Reagan economist, on debt spree

David Alan Stockman, director of the Office of Management and Budget in the Reagan administration, sat down to discuss the federal debt and the economy.

Q: What similarities do you see between the situation in Washington in the 1980s and the situation now?

A: I think it’s dramatically different, a night-and-day difference. (In the 1980s) we had an economy that was encouraging and beckoning to entrepreneurs. I think we have an economy today that’s on the edge of insolvency. We’ll be dealing with an age of sacrifice, austerity and an age of pain. You have to stop pretending that we’re in a normal business cycle.

Q: So what do we do about it?

A: The fall of 2008 and the financial market meltdown was simply a wake-up call that we were in an unsustainable debt spree. The first step is to recognize the new reality we’re in, which is not something politicians ever want to do. They certainly do not like to tell people that we have to eat our broccoli and we have a political class in the Beltway that’s totally out of shape, incapable of dispensing pain to the electorate. The stimulus spending got totally out of hand. We borrowed money from the Treasury and handed it out to people to spend. The Republicans are just focusing on tax cuts while Democrats are defending their spending and they aren’t willing to compromise. You’re going to need to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire and, on top of that, find some new revenue sources. Now, we seem to think that we can have 3 percent of GDP deficits forever. It’s like a runway, and the airplane is near the end of it. The Republican Party is being reckless in historic proportions, reckless to the extreme.

He also thinks we should tax the middle class, not just the wealthy.

457 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 30, 2011 9:47:00am

Make me want to go out and buy an electric car, no. But I’m certainly hoping the impetus to find mass-producible alternative fuels with reasonable power potential will stick around. I’m sure there is a technological solution out there to our crude oil dependence.

458 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 30, 2011 9:55:23am

re: #445 kirkspencer

I drive (on average 200 miles a day for work). Gonna be driving fossil fuels until they do something with more than a 90 mile range.

459 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 30, 2011 9:56:19am

Imagine how much foreign aid we’ll have to give to the ME when the oil wells are no longer needed.

460 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 30, 2011 9:57:06am

re: #459 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Imagine how much foreign aid we’ll have to give to the ME when the oil wells are no longer needed.

We won’t “have” to give them anything. But we will anyway, because we are among the most generous countries on the face of the planet.

461 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 30, 2011 9:59:08am

re: #460 thedopefishlives

No. We’ll have to. They’ll find a way to make us “pay them off”.

462 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, May 30, 2011 10:06:05am

I’m watching DVR’d Cheers episodes. Just saw Dr. Chilton from “Silence of the Lambs” as a little above ‘extra’ bit role.

463 blueraven  Mon, May 30, 2011 10:21:04am

re: #454 Killgore Trout

The Kos kidz may have found the guy who hacked Wiener’s twitter account…
Breitbart’s #TwitterHoax - How It Went Down (updated w/ smoking gun)

It seems the guy who captured the screenshot was claiming two weeks ago that he had sex scandal pics of Wiener and was taunting him on twitter.

How many times will it take before the MSM stops spreading Breitbarts discredited crap?
I mean it is all over the place; AP, NYT, WP as well as politico and other online, so called, news outlets.

464 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 30, 2011 10:24:41am

re: #463 blueraven

How many times will it take before the MSM stops spreading Breitbarts discredited crap?
I mean it is all over the place; AP, NYT, WP as well as politico and other online, so called, news outlets.

It should have happened already. It’s starting to look pretty likely that that Dianna Loesch helped orchestrate this one. It’s pretty disgusting as a political smear but it really pisses me off that they’re seriously trying to ruin people’s lives with this shit.

465 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 30, 2011 10:25:56am

@patriotusa76 is getting nervous on twitter.

466 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, May 30, 2011 10:28:31am

re: #465 Killgore Trout

@patriotusa76 is getting nervous on twitter.

Right. And who is this?

467 Four More Tears  Mon, May 30, 2011 10:29:22am

re: #466 EmmmieG

Right. And who is this?

Douchetwitterer.

468 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, May 30, 2011 10:31:09am

re: #467 JasonA

Douchetwitterer.

Gotta run, but I imagine there are a few of them.

469 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 30, 2011 10:32:01am

re: #466 EmmmieG

Right. And who is this?

He’s a wingnut who has been taunting Rep Wiener for weeks about sex scandal pics and mysteriously in the one who caught a screenshot of Wiener’s account moments after it was hacked.

470 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, May 30, 2011 10:35:50am

re: #469 Killgore Trout

It wasn’t even a screenshot of the alleged picture; it was a screenshot of a link to a yfrog— whatever the hell that is— account that appeared to be Brietbart’s, with the picture.

471 Interesting Times  Mon, May 30, 2011 10:39:07am

re: #464 Killgore Trout

It should have happened already. It’s starting to look pretty likely that that Dianna Loesch helped orchestrate this one. It’s pretty disgusting as a political smear but it really pisses me off that they’re seriously trying to ruin people’s lives with this shit.

I wonder if Shirley Sherrod somehow can use this in her lawsuit against Breitbart.

472 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Tue, May 31, 2011 7:36:28am

“Doesn’t that make you want to buy an electric car?”

No. How do you expect people on limited incomes and/or families to afford them in today’s economy? I’ll gladly keep my paid-off car, like most people with any ounce of common sense who are hanging on to their paid-for vehicles as well (and used cars are going up in price). The car payments alone on these electric cars will still buy a lot of gas.

473 Interesting Times  Tue, May 31, 2011 7:44:45am

re: #472 Girl with a Pearl Earring

Why to miss the point by several thousand light years.

474 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Tue, May 31, 2011 9:19:50am

re: #473 publicityStunted

I missed nothing. As someone else said “YOU buy it I’ll drive it.” How much do those electric hazards cost, anyway? Why go into debt just because gas prices are high? I don’t buy cars unless I have the cash to pay for it in full. Until then, I’ll drive what I have as long as I can.

475 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, May 31, 2011 9:26:47am

re: #474 Girl with a Pearl Earring

Do you accept the existence of AGW?

476 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Tue, May 31, 2011 11:34:34am

“Saudi Prince: ‘We Don’t Want the West to Find Alternatives’”

No, because that would be SO bad for jihad!

477 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 1, 2011 3:35:20pm

re: #476 Girl with a Pearl Earring

“Saudi Prince: ‘We Don’t Want the West to Find Alternatives’”

No, because that would be SO bad for jihad!

Alwaleed bin Talal could not care less about jihad. He’s motivated purely by money, much like the Republican Party.

478 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Wed, Jun 1, 2011 4:18:58pm

re: #477 Charles

Alwaleed bin Talal could not care less about jihad. He’s motivated purely by money, much like the Republican Party.

And none of that Saudi money funds jihad (but most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi). Nope, nothing to see here…..

479 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jun 1, 2011 4:22:20pm

re: #478 Girl with a Pearl Earring

And none of that Saudi money funds jihad (but most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi). Nope, nothing to see here…

Ridiculous. If you want to be scared of something, be scared of the Republican Party, which is doing everything it possibly can to make sure that we DON’T get weaned off Saudi oil.

480 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Thu, Jun 2, 2011 5:32:30am

re: #479 Charles

Ridiculous. If you want to be scared of something, be scared of the Republican Party, which is doing everything it possibly can to make sure that we DON’T get weaned off Saudi oil.

LOL! When you don’t have a real argument blame the other side. Typical.

We’ve got plenty of oil here; no need for ANY foreign oil, and we should be drilling furiously here. I’m sure you read about all those new oil fields discovered in TX. The myth that we’re “running out of” natural resources is just that, a myth. But surely you remember 0bama telling us that under his Administration “energy prices will necessarily skyrocket.” Don’t you, Charles?

481 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 2, 2011 1:37:55pm

re: #480 Girl with a Pearl Earring

Running out of oil is a “myth?” We have “plenty of oil” in America and don’t even need foreign oil?

That’s just delusional.

482 Interesting Times  Thu, Jun 2, 2011 1:41:35pm

“Drill, baby, drill” troll doesn’t seem to understand the “oil is fungible” concept. As long as there’s worldwide demand for oil, Saudi Arabia and other nefarious regimes will have as much oil money to fund as much nastiness as they want:

Drill baby drill won’t lower gas prices

After OPEC got done adjusting its production to reflect the increased American output, gas prices might drop a whopping 3 cents a gallon, the study said…In fact, more domestic oil is just what we’ve been seeing and gasoline prices are still going up.


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