Pat Robertson: Muslims = Nazis

‘Why is it bigoted to resist Nazis?’

WingnutsMay 2011 • Views: 39,399

Creepy preacher Pat Robertson’s feelings are hurt. People keep calling him a bigot just because he hates Muslims and equates them all to Nazis. Feel his pain.

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“I wonder what were people who opposed the Nazis, were they bigots?”

“Why is it bigoted to resist Adolf Hitler and the Nazis and to say we don’t want to live under Nazi Germany?” Robertson said. “But oh it’s bigoted if we speak out against a force that slowly but surely is trying to exercise domination over the world.”

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Guanxi88 Tue, May 31, 2011 10:41:07am

If everything is just like the Nazis, then the Nazis lose their distinctive role as the embodiment of evil in modernity, and we lose thereby any lesson to draw from them - and trust me, we;ve already missed the lesson without anyone confusing things.

Daniel Ballard Tue, May 31, 2011 10:41:39am

Translation
Waaaa, waaa, waaa.

Cry me a river you buffoon!

shutdown Tue, May 31, 2011 10:42:44am

Hmm. How do you Godwin a Godwin thread?

Bulworth Tue, May 31, 2011 10:42:49am

“But oh it’s bigoted if we speak out against a force that slowly but surely is trying to exercise domination over the world.”

I wonder how Pat thinks Islam is exercising domination of the whole world. What does that even mean?

Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, May 31, 2011 10:43:03am

If all of the world's Muslims were united under a single charismatic leader with an axe to grind against the Western powers, then he might have an argument. A handful of embittered hard-liners living the high life behind closed doors whilst issuing holier-than-thou proclamations and the occasional mass murder? Not so much.

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, May 31, 2011 10:44:28am

re: #3 imp_62

Hmm. How do you Godwin a Godwin thread?

You know who else thought there was a force slowly but surely trying to dominate the world? Hitler!

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 31, 2011 10:44:49am

I'm going to leave everything else out of this and say only this: The Nazis mobilized their entire society for war.

There are currently more than two billion Muslims, and they are the majority population in 47 nations. At least one of those nations has nukes.

What, exactly, the hell, are all these folks bent on world domination WAITING for?

shutdown Tue, May 31, 2011 10:45:00am

Reposting a comment I made elsewhere, earlier:

There is a fine line between identifying culprits and assuming some kind of communal, or joint, culpability. My conviction is that this line is drawn at the point where acknowledged leaders put these horrors into the official, legal/religious form of a fatwah. Once these homicidal thoughts cross from the pews to the pulpit, the entire community becomes responsible to take a position on what is being said.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 31, 2011 10:45:29am

re: #4 Bulworth

I wonder how Pat thinks Islam is exercising domination of the whole world. What does that even mean?

He means that kids learn the Five Pillars in seventh grade social studies and have to be able to write them all on the test.

darthstar Tue, May 31, 2011 10:46:03am

re: #1 Guanxi88

If everything is just like the Nazis, then the Nazis lose their distinctive role as the embodiment of evil in modernity

Exactly...

Benghazzy Ben Ross Tue, May 31, 2011 10:47:17am

re: #10 darthstar

Exactly...

Hey, I remember that meme!

Obdicut Tue, May 31, 2011 10:47:59am

re: #9 SanFranciscoZionist

He means that kids learn the Five Pillars in seventh grade social studies and have to be able to write them all on the test.

Because obviously, if they were our dire enemy, being entirely ignorant of them would be a good thing.

Even his bigotry is flawed.

Bulworth Tue, May 31, 2011 10:48:12am

re: #9 SanFranciscoZionist

He means that kids learn the Five Pillars in seventh grade social studies and have to be able to write them all on the test.

Just read the linky. Seems Pat is upset over that Freedom of Religion thing that allows Muslims to build mosques in the U.S. He's also mad that Shariah law has been imposed over all America.

Guanxi88 Tue, May 31, 2011 10:48:40am

Feeling Germanic - but in a good way.

Thanks, Pat, and see if you can find the crescent moon and star in the scene:

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Lotte Lenya sings "Seerauber Jenny"

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albusteve Tue, May 31, 2011 10:49:20am

Robertson has always been a simpleton...a very wealthy simpleton

NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 31, 2011 10:49:35am

Who is Pat Robertson?

Vicious Babushka Tue, May 31, 2011 10:50:25am

Comparing everybody to nazis kind of trivializes the horror of the actual nazis.

Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, May 31, 2011 10:50:44am

re: #12 Obdicut

Because obviously, if they were our dire enemy, being entirely ignorant of them would be a good thing.

Even his bigotry is flawed.

Well, obviously, because their beliefs are so insidious and so dangerous that we can't trust ourselves to be exposed to them, lest they corrupt our fragile minds and, and, and... *DRONE READY*

Charles Johnson Tue, May 31, 2011 10:51:04am

Robertson is using a new right wing talking point that may have originated with Geert Wilders. In their twisted world, they're standing up for free speech when they spew hatred against Muslims and advocate stripping them of rights.

Guanxi88 Tue, May 31, 2011 10:51:17am

re: #15 MikeySDCA

Your point is a good one, but we should remember that that role is shared by Stalin's Russia and Mao's China.

Ahh, and as one who knows survivors of both, there is a difference. With Stalin and Mao - the numbers were greater, but the murders were not a systematic part of the function of the state, to be carried on - even in the midst of a two-front war, at the loss of materiel and manpower. The killings of the Reich were a priority over and above even the war - the use of vital rail transport for moving prisoners proves that.

With Mao and Stalin, murder was the means - with the Reich, murder was the end itself.

Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, May 31, 2011 10:52:41am

Obvious Xenophobe is Obvious.

KronoGhazi Tue, May 31, 2011 10:52:47am

Nobody compares to Nazis. Except for Nazis.

But Robertson has his ignorant hating ilk are a couple of drinks deep into that drunken stupor.

Obdicut Tue, May 31, 2011 10:52:53am

re: #17 NJDhockeyfan

The presenter of the 700 club, the most popular Christian television program and founder of the Christian Coalition, one of the most powerful hyperconservative lobbying organizations.

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Vicious Babushka Tue, May 31, 2011 10:54:41am

BTW, you know that super, mega-mosque in Dearborn that's supposed to inflict sharia on the whole town?

Do you know that this mosque is surrounded by...churches?

Yes, four churches on the same block as the super-mosque.

iossarian Tue, May 31, 2011 10:55:39am

re: #17 NJDhockeyfan

Who is Pat Robertson?

I think he's someone who thinks that all Palestinians are evil.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 31, 2011 10:56:07am

re: #12 Obdicut

Because obviously, if they were our dire enemy, being entirely ignorant of them would be a good thing.

Even his bigotry is flawed.

I was reading an Al Franken book (DON'T SHOOT!!), and he has an anecdote about O'Reilly or Hannity, one of them, bitching about a college making a book about the Koran required reading for incoming freshmen. He demanded to know if we would have assigned a book about Shinto and the cult of the emperor during WWII.

And I'm thinking, 'Yeah, that might have been a good idea, actually..."

KronoGhazi Tue, May 31, 2011 10:56:16am

re: #17 NJDhockeyfan

Who is Pat Robertson?

One of the key guys who impose Christian Sharia on America.

albusteve Tue, May 31, 2011 10:56:31am

re: #26 Alouette

BTW, you know that super, mega-mosque in Dearborn that's supposed to inflict sharia on the whole town?

Do you know that this mosque is surrounded by...churches?

Yes, four churches on the same block as the super-mosque.

while everybody else pays...odd why an institution that tries to impose it's divine will on you gets a tax exemption

Bulworth Tue, May 31, 2011 10:56:50am

re: #26 Alouette

BTW, you know that super, mega-mosque in Dearborn that's supposed to inflict sharia on the whole town?

Do you know that this mosque is surrounded by...churches?

Yes, four churches on the same block as the super-mosque.

Yeah, but those four churches are helpless compared to that one mosque. And because of Obama's decree that Christians can't share their faith, speak in public, or oppose teh gay that means only radical Muslims can hate teh gay.

NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 31, 2011 10:57:25am

re: #24 Obdicut

The presenter of the 700 club, the most popular Christian television program and founder of the Christian Coalition, one of the most powerful hyperconservative lobbying organizations.

Oh, I thought he was that regular commentator on MSNBC.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 31, 2011 10:57:41am

re: #13 Bulworth

Just read the linky. Seems Pat is upset over that Freedom of Religion thing that allows Muslims to build mosques in the U.S. He's also mad that Shariah law has been imposed over all America.

So far I have not found a single example of sharia being imposed in America.

Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, May 31, 2011 10:57:43am

re: #28 SanFranciscoZionist

I was reading an Al Franken book (DON'T SHOOT!!), and he has an anecdote about O'Reilly or Hannity, one of them, bitching about a college making a book about the Koran required reading for incoming freshmen. He demanded to know if we would have assigned a book about Shinto and the cult of the emperor during WWII.

And I'm thinking, 'Yeah, that might have been a good idea, actually..."

We actually read part of the Koran as part of our college curriculum.

I'm surprised my head didn't spontaneously implode or something. I mean, isn't that sort of stuff supposed to be contagious?/

Shiplord Kirel Tue, May 31, 2011 10:58:01am

re: #17 NJDhockeyfan

Who is Pat Robertson?

Robertson served as a junior officer in the Marine Corps during the Korean War.

However, former Republican Congressman Paul "Pete" McCloskey, Jr., who served with Robertson in Korea, wrote a public letter which said that Robertson was actually spared combat duty when his powerful father, a U.S. Senator, intervened on his behalf, and that Robertson spent most of his time in an office in Japan. According to McCloskey, his time in the service was not in combat but as the "liquor officer" responsible for keeping the officers' clubs supplied with liquor. Robertson filed a $35 million libel suit against McCloskey in 1986. He dropped the case in 1988, before it came to trial and paid McCloskey's court costs.

Keeping up with the leatherneck officers' booze supply must have been a hell of a job. My helmet's off to him.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 31, 2011 10:58:07am

re: #14 Guanxi88

Feeling Germanic - but in a good way.

Thanks, Pat, and see if you can find the crescent moon and star in the scene:

[Video]Lotte Lenya sings "Seerauber Jenny"

'seerauber'.

Of course.

iossarian Tue, May 31, 2011 10:58:22am

re: #34 thedopefishlives

We actually read part of the Koran as part of our college curriculum.

I'm surprised my head didn't spontaneously implode or something. I mean, isn't that sort of stuff supposed to be contagious?/

You are sekrit mooslim. Prepare for death.

albusteve Tue, May 31, 2011 10:58:25am

re: #33 SanFranciscoZionist

So far I have not found a single example of sharia being imposed in America.

legally that is

Guanxi88 Tue, May 31, 2011 10:58:48am

re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist

'seerauber'.

Of course.

Someone gets it! Jeez! This room needs to drink more coffee.

Lidane Tue, May 31, 2011 10:59:26am

Every time I see Pat Robertson and other televangelists, one song immediately comes to mind:

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Vicious Babushka Tue, May 31, 2011 11:00:07am

re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist

'seerauber'.

Of course.

Arrr! (in a German accent)

Lidane Tue, May 31, 2011 11:01:11am

re: #33 SanFranciscoZionist

So far I have not found a single example of sharia being imposed in America.

I have. The Christian Taliban have been quite successful these past few decades.

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, May 31, 2011 11:01:31am

re: #40 Lidane

funny i think of this one

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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 31, 2011 11:01:40am

re: #40 Lidane

Every time I see Pat Robertson and other televangelists, one song immediately comes to mind:

[Video]

Jesus just left Chicago.

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iossarian Tue, May 31, 2011 11:02:24am

re: #42 Lidane

I have. The Christian Taliban have been quite successful these past few decades.

Yeah - if you've been in need of family planning services in the Bible Belt recently, you'll be well aware of the spread of Sharia in the US.

BongGhazi Tue, May 31, 2011 11:03:02am

re: #7 SanFranciscoZionist

What, exactly, the hell, are all these folks bent on world domination WAITING for?

Better light?

Guanxi88 Tue, May 31, 2011 11:03:19am

re: #40 Lidane

Every time I see Pat Robertson and other televangelists, one song immediately comes to mind:

[Video]

Huh, I always think of this one:

Youtube Video

Puzzlin' Evidence!

Benghazzy Ben Ross Tue, May 31, 2011 11:03:37am

re: #30 albusteve

while everybody else pays...odd why an institution that tries to impose it's divine will on you gets a tax exemption

Something we can agree on...

Bulworth Tue, May 31, 2011 11:03:45am

re: #45 iossarian

Yeah - if you've been in need of family planning services in the Bible Belt recently, you'll be well aware of the spread of Sharia in the US.

Oh, that. Reduced family planning services = FREEDOM.

/snark

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 31, 2011 11:04:37am

re: #17 NJDhockeyfan

Who is Pat Robertson?

The guy who agreed with Falwell that the gays and the feminists brought 9/11 down on us.

The guy who said Haiti got the quake because they made a pact with the devil in the eighteenth century.

Successful 'Christian' TV magnate. Host of The 700 Club.

Gave George Bush a massive headache by calling for the United States to assassinate Hugo Chavez.

Deeply involved in Republican politics for many, many, many years.

That guy.

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, May 31, 2011 11:05:56am

speaking of annoying right wing evangelists

the irony is rich....

APox Tue, May 31, 2011 11:06:10am

Don't know if anyone has pointed out the intense irony of a Christian complaining about another religion trying to 'dominate' the world. I'm pretty sure Christians have the same divine commandment to spread the word to every man, woman and child ... With some really negative impacts around the world in history from missionaries coming in and overtaking whole cultural groups.

RadicalModerate Tue, May 31, 2011 11:06:13am

Keep in mind that this is the same Pat Robertson who during the 1990s was the architect of the "stealth candidate" tactic of getting his Christian Coalition-trained SoCon candidates elected to various federal, state and local offices to essentially take over those branches of government.

These same politicians are the ones today who are spearheading the re-emergence of creationism, anti-woman, anti-LGBT and other Dominionist based legislation that has been VERY prevalent as of late.

Christian Coalition of America

BongGhazi Tue, May 31, 2011 11:06:28am

re: #50 SanFranciscoZionist

The guy who agreed with Falwell that the gays and the feminists brought 9/11 down on us.

The guy who said Haiti got the quake because they made a pact with the devil in the eighteenth century.

Successful 'Christian' TV magnate. Host of The 700 Club.

Gave George Bush a massive headache by calling for the United States to assassinate Hugo Chavez.

Deeply involved in Republican politics for many, many, many years.

That guy.

The Charles Taylor stuff is also odious.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 31, 2011 11:06:31am

re: #32 NJDhockeyfan

Oh, I thought he was that regular commentator on MSNBC.

He commentates for them? Not suprised. Man can't keep his big mouth shut.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 31, 2011 11:07:20am

re: #34 thedopefishlives

We actually read part of the Koran as part of our college curriculum.

I'm surprised my head didn't spontaneously implode or something. I mean, isn't that sort of stuff supposed to be contagious?/

Weren't you horrified by its horrible horrible contents? Or does that reaction only occur when someone is carefully guiding you to scary passages and explaining that these are the only ones Muslims believe in for reals?

Guanxi88 Tue, May 31, 2011 11:07:59am

re: #56 SanFranciscoZionist

Weren't you horrified by its horrible horrible contents? Or does that reaction only occur when someone is carefully guiding you to scary passages and explaining that these are the only ones Muslims believe in for reals?

Book of Joshua - not for the faint of heart.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 31, 2011 11:08:17am

re: #38 albusteve

legally that is

Bleahh.

Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, May 31, 2011 11:08:34am

re: #56 SanFranciscoZionist

Weren't you horrified by its horrible horrible contents? Or does that reaction only occur when someone is carefully guiding you to scary passages and explaining that these are the only ones Muslims believe in for reals?

Actually, there was some pretty brutal stuff in there. However, as with the Bible, it's all in the interpretation. Muhammad was a pretty messed up guy, but that doesn't mean his followers are all on the crazy train.

celticdragon Tue, May 31, 2011 11:09:32am

I had to sit down and weep for a couple of minutes on this one lizards.

I posted the page, or you can go look at Al jazeera for yourselves.
This is monstrous beyond words.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 31, 2011 11:12:22am

re: #57 Guanxi88

Book of Joshua - not for the faint of heart.

Also a source of intense annoyance to me--I had to deal in college with a Wiccan-convert friend who insisted that Joshua was an account of 'the genocide of her people'.

Now she's an Episcopalian, and sends out Facebook notes telling everyone how she, like, invented being a socially aware feminist Christian.

Some people never change, even when they change.

NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 31, 2011 11:12:57am

Flashback...

White House blasts Robertson's Sharon remark

WASHINGTON — The White House sharply criticized Christian broadcaster and former Republican presidential candidate Pat Robertson on Friday for suggesting that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s stroke was divine punishment for “dividing God’s land.”

“Those comments are wholly inappropriate and offensive and really don’t have a place in this or any other debate,” presidential spokesman Trent Duffy said as President Bush traveled to Chicago for a speech.

Robertson, who has a history of controversial statements, made his comments about Israel and Sharon on his TV program, “The 700 Club.” He said, “God considers this land to be his. You read the Bible and he says ‘This is my land,’ and for any prime minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away, God says, ‘No, this is mine.”’

What a dick.

albusteve Tue, May 31, 2011 11:13:01am

re: #60 celticdragon

I had to sit down and weep for a couple of minutes on this one lizards.

I posted the page, or you can go look at Al jazeera for yourselves.
This is monstrous beyond words.

yet Syria gets little attention in the scheme of things....someday, someone will go off the deep end and call for military action against Assad...oh my

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 31, 2011 11:13:10am

re: #59 thedopefishlives

Actually, there was some pretty brutal stuff in there. However, as with the Bible, it's all in the interpretation. Muhammad was a pretty messed up guy, but that doesn't mean his followers are all on the crazy train.

Sure, there is some brutal stuff. There's also some great stuff. I get tired of people who know jack about the text playing pull-quote, and then falling back on excuses why other quotes don't count.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 31, 2011 11:14:31am

re: #62 NJDhockeyfan

Flashback...

White House blasts Robertson's Sharon remark

What a dick.

Yeah, that's our Pat.

AK-47% Tue, May 31, 2011 11:14:44am

re: #8 imp_62

Reposting a comment I made elsewhere, earlier:

There is a fine line between identifying culprits and assuming some kind of communal, or joint, culpability. My conviction is that this line is drawn at the point where acknowledged leaders put these horrors into the official, legal/religious form of a fatwah. Once these homicidal thoughts cross from the pews to the pulpit, the entire community becomes responsible to take a position on what is being said.

Ah yes, making an entire race of people responsible for all the evil that befalls the world...who does that remind us of?

Vicious Babushka Tue, May 31, 2011 11:15:04am

re: #61 SanFranciscoZionist

Also a source of intense annoyance to me--I had to deal in college with a Wiccan-convert friend who insisted that Joshua was an account of 'the genocide of her people'.

Now she's an Episcopalian, and sends out Facebook notes telling everyone how she, like, invented being a socially aware feminist Christian.

Some people never change, even when they change.

I wasn't aware there were any Episcopalians or Wiccans in Canaan during Joshua's time.

Guanxi88 Tue, May 31, 2011 11:15:08am

re: #61 SanFranciscoZionist

Also a source of intense annoyance to me--I had to deal in college with a Wiccan-convert friend who insisted that Joshua was an account of 'the genocide of her people'.

Now she's an Episcopalian, and sends out Facebook notes telling everyone how she, like, invented being a socially aware feminist Christian.

Some people never change, even when they change.

Tempora mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis

Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, May 31, 2011 11:15:45am

re: #64 SanFranciscoZionist

Sure, there is some brutal stuff. There's also some great stuff. I get tired of people who know jack about the text playing pull-quote, and then falling back on excuses why other quotes don't count.

Exactly so. There are entire Islamic schools of thought as to which sections of the - often conflicting - text apply and why. But beyond the conflict resolution, there really is some great material in there, very poetic at times.

Lidane Tue, May 31, 2011 11:16:19am

re: #67 Alouette

I wasn't aware there were any Episcopalians or Wiccans in Canaan during Joshua's time.

Persecution complexes transcend religion. Instead of whining about the mythical "Burning Times" as a Wiccan, she apparently decided that Christian martyrdom was more attractive. =P

Guanxi88 Tue, May 31, 2011 11:16:29am

re: #69 thedopefishlives

Hell, it was written in Arabic, for Arabs. If it's not poetic, no Arab would listen to it, never mind believe it.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 31, 2011 11:16:36am

re: #60 celticdragon

I had to sit down and weep for a couple of minutes on this one lizards.

I posted the page, or you can go look at Al jazeera for yourselves.
This is monstrous beyond words.

Oh my God.

Guanxi88 Tue, May 31, 2011 11:17:22am

re: #72 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh my God.

Yours, mine, and everyone's. Horror.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 31, 2011 11:17:39am

re: #67 Alouette

I wasn't aware there were any Episcopalians or Wiccans in Canaan during Joshua's time.

She was a WASP, and no, none of her actual, you know, physical ancestors ever came through Canaan.

Batmanghazi Tue, May 31, 2011 11:18:05am

Pat Robertson is right. How come it's politically correct to hate every single German who has ever lived, but not all muslims? I mean all Germans are Nazis and all Muslims are terrorists, and both want to take over the world, so why can't we say mean things about all Muslims?

Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, May 31, 2011 11:18:09am

re: #67 Alouette

I wasn't aware there were any Episcopalians or Wiccans in Canaan during Joshua's time.

The official Wiccan line is that they are following an ancient, but hidden religion.

Yes, just about every area on earth had some sort of supernatural-based pagan religion. However, they were all different*. They were also all hooey, but that's my opinion.

*For example, the Navajos believed that witches used parts of dead bodies to put spells on people. Navajos have a morbid fear of death and the dead.

The Hurons, on the other hand, ate Etienne Brule, so apparently they had no morbid fear of dead human bodies.

Vicious Babushka Tue, May 31, 2011 11:18:10am

re: #70 Lidane

Persecution complexes transcend religion. Instead of whining about the mythical "Burning Times" as a Wiccan, she apparently decided that Christian martyrdom was more attractive. =P

There weren't any Christians around during Joshua's time either.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 31, 2011 11:18:46am

re: #70 Lidane

Persecution complexes transcend religion. Instead of whining about the mythical "Burning Times" as a Wiccan, she apparently decided that Christian martyrdom was more attractive. =P

Oh, she was on about the Burning Times as well.

Someone on campus had a bumper sticker that said, "If you were accused of being a Christian, would there be enough evidence to convict you?", and she was mightily offended.

Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, May 31, 2011 11:19:53am

re: #77 Alouette

There weren't any Christians around during Joshua's time either.

Hush with your logic. That'll get you burned at the stake as a scientist./

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 31, 2011 11:20:07am

re: #77 Alouette

There weren't any Christians around during Joshua's time either.

You're just going to ruin this for everyone, aren't you?

Guanxi88 Tue, May 31, 2011 11:20:31am

re: #76 EmmmieG

The Hurons, on the other hand, ate Etienne Brule, so apparently they had no morbid fear of dead human bodies.

Or else had some really good sauces.

Mark Winter Tue, May 31, 2011 11:21:13am

Can't Pat Robertson do something useful for a change?
Like getting raptured maybe?

albusteve Tue, May 31, 2011 11:21:58am

re: #82 Mark Winter

Can't Pat Robertson do something useful for a change?
Like getting raptured maybe?

or reach out to moderate Islam?

Vicious Babushka Tue, May 31, 2011 11:22:40am

re: #78 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, she was on about the Burning Times as well.

When the Bible refers to "witchcraft" it is actually referring to a very specific form of pagan worship which involved human sacrifice in order to use human body parts to cast spells. It is not referring to your generic, black cat, cone-hat, broomstick-riding Harry Potter-type witches.

There are no witches, only wannabees.

makeitstopghazi Tue, May 31, 2011 11:23:18am

re: #76 EmmmieG

The Hurons, on the other hand, ate Etienne Brule...

I love me a fancy dessert.
/

Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, May 31, 2011 11:23:43am

re: #84 Alouette

When the Bible refers to "witchcraft" it is actually referring to a very specific form of pagan worship which involved human sacrifice in order to use human body parts to cast spells. It is not referring to your generic, black cat, cone-hat, broomstick-riding Harry Potter-type witches.

There are no witches, only wannabees.

My favorite witches are the ones that show up on your doorstep on October 31st and say "Twick or Tweet."

Them I love.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 31, 2011 11:23:46am

50 State Stereotypes In 2 Minutes

Guanxi88 Tue, May 31, 2011 11:24:39am

re: #86 EmmmieG

My favorite witches are the ones that show up on your doorstep on October 31st and say "Twick or Tweet."

Them I love.

#2 daughter was a witch last year at halloween - said she liked being scary and spooky, and was tired of being a princess. Still wore the tiara though, over the hat.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 31, 2011 11:24:45am

re: #84 Alouette

When the Bible refers to "witchcraft" it is actually referring to a very specific form of pagan worship which involved human sacrifice in order to use human body parts to cast spells. It is not referring to your generic, black cat, cone-hat, broomstick-riding Harry Potter-type witches.

There are no witches, only wannabees.

I'm having terrible college flashbacks here. If someone mentions Marija Gambutas, I will pass out.

Vicious Babushka Tue, May 31, 2011 11:25:52am

re: #86 EmmmieG

My favorite witches are the ones that show up on your doorstep on October 31st and say "Twick or Tweet."

Them I love.

When my daughter was about 7 years old, she explained the difference between Halloween and Purim (the Jewish "costume" holiday):

"On Halloween, kids come to your house and you have to give them candy. On Purim, kids come to your house and they give you candy."

Guanxi88 Tue, May 31, 2011 11:26:05am

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm having terrible college flashbacks here. If someone mentions Marija Gambutas, I will pass out.

Likewise - recent events are sending me down memory lane, and I find it runs through a "mixed" neighborhood, as the realtors call it. Quite nice in some places, but some VERY dark alleys here and there.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 31, 2011 11:26:56am

re: #90 Alouette

When my daughter was about 7 years old, she explained the difference between Halloween and Purim (the Jewish "costume" holiday):

"On Halloween, kids come to your house and you have to give them candy. On Purim, kids come to your house and they give you candy."

I'm wondering if it would be funny or terrible for me to be Rav Ovadiah Yosef next year.

How hard is it to source a navy satin turban?

Vicious Babushka Tue, May 31, 2011 11:26:59am

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm having terrible college flashbacks here. If someone mentions Marija Gambutas, I will pass out.

An I going to regret Googling that? Is that something like saying "Bloody Mary" three times in the mirror?

Vicious Babushka Tue, May 31, 2011 11:28:01am

re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm wondering if it would be funny or terrible for me to be Rav Ovadiah Yosef next year.

How hard is it to source a navy satin turban?

Say what you want about the Sephardic Chief Rabbis--they are fabulous!

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 31, 2011 11:28:16am

re: #93 Alouette

An I going to regret Googling that? Is that something like saying "Bloody Mary" three times in the mirror?

It's actually Gimbutas, and she was a researcher in ancient goddess religions, highly popular with the crowd I ran with in college.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, May 31, 2011 11:28:52am

re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist

50 State Stereotypes In 2 Minutes

Eighty thousand updings.

William Barnett-Lewis Tue, May 31, 2011 11:29:26am

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm having terrible college flashbacks here. If someone mentions Marija Gambutas, I will pass out.

Hey, now, I read her papers as well as those opposed to her ideas. I found them interesting and thought provoking. Now what some of the twits did with those ideas, that's another game.

Guanxi88 Tue, May 31, 2011 11:30:06am

Well, now that we've consigned old Patty there to the dust-bin, howzabout a little Guanxi88 tip for the ladies in the room:

Ya say yer fella there don't look at you like he used to?
Ya say ya wanna win his heart, make him yours for all time, or until ya get bored?

Sing "La Vie en Rose" to him. You'll own him, then:

Youtube Video

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 31, 2011 11:31:25am

re: #94 Alouette

Say what you want about the Sephardic Chief Rabbis--they are fabulous!

He's also, now, anti-smoking, which gave him his first thumbs-up from me ever.

I posted that on Facebook,, but a friend promptly posted: Either you follow Hillel or Shammai - you don't pick and choose between them. I reject all of ROY, and will not cherry-pick.

This was followed by "Mmmmm. This cigar is GOOD."

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 31, 2011 11:32:16am

re: #97 wlewisiii

Hey, now, I read her papers as well as those opposed to her ideas. I found them interesting and thought provoking. Now what some of the twits did with those ideas, that's another game.

I have nothing against Gimbutas, it's just...college...witches...college...witches...MEMORIES!

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Guanxi88 Tue, May 31, 2011 11:32:25am

re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist

This is one of those things - intellectually, I know the "own arrows" rule applies, but I like to smoke, and don't know what to do about it.

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Vicious Babushka Tue, May 31, 2011 11:33:26am

re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist

He's also, now, anti-smoking, which gave him his first thumbs-up from me ever.

I posted that on Facebook,, but a friend promptly posted: Either you follow Hillel or Shammai - you don't pick and choose between them. I reject all of ROY, and will not cherry-pick.

This was followed by "Mmmm. This cigar is GOOD."

You don't have to be religious to know that smoking sucks.

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Guanxi88 Tue, May 31, 2011 11:33:47am

re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist

I have nothing against Gimbutas, it's just...college...witches...college...witches...MEM ORIES!

By me, it's the "voices" crap. "voices" and "difference" - makes me wanna heave a brick whenever I hear those words, to this day.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, May 31, 2011 11:34:07am

re: #102 Alouette

You don't have to be religious to know that smoking sucks.

You just have to have watched a relative die. Slowly.

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Guanxi88 Tue, May 31, 2011 11:34:11am

re: #102 Alouette

You don't have to be religious to know that smoking sucks.

Only on the inhale. Ya gotta exhale, to keep it burning.

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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, May 31, 2011 11:34:28am

re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist

I have nothing against Gimbutas, it's just...college...witches...college...witches...MEM ORIES!

Ah, Gotcha. Been there, done that, now a happy Episcopalian.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, May 31, 2011 11:34:49am

Brulee, by the way, means "burned," which I find horribly ironic.

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Vicious Babushka Tue, May 31, 2011 11:34:54am

re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist

I have nothing against Gimbutas, it's just...college...witches...college...witches...MEM ORIES!

The stuff I missed out on by going to college of engineering.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 31, 2011 11:34:54am

re: #102 Alouette

You don't have to be religious to know that smoking sucks.

True, but if ROY says you should stop, maybe some of these yeshiva bochers will give it some thought.

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albusteve Tue, May 31, 2011 11:35:50am

re: #105 Guanxi88

Only on the inhale. Ya gotta exhale, to keep it burning.

having a leg chopped off because of poor circulation may change your mind....then maybe it's losing the second one that does it

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Vicious Babushka Tue, May 31, 2011 11:36:17am

re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist

True, but if ROY says you should stop, maybe some of these yeshiva bochers will give it some thought.

Zedushka sneaks cigarettes in the garage which makes me extremely, extremely pissed off, because my new car lives in there.

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Guanxi88 Tue, May 31, 2011 11:36:44am

re: #108 Alouette

The stuff I missed out on by going to college of engineering.

Lotta headaches, I;m sure. Frankly, I admire the ones who went and did the hard sciences - perhaps you were even smarter than we all knew you were at the time - you never sat up all night arguing with a stoned trust-fund kid about the merits of Marlowe's Faustus versus Goethe's Faust in terms of their overall narrative scope and authorial ambition.

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Vicious Babushka Tue, May 31, 2011 11:38:02am

re: #112 Guanxi88

Lotta headaches, I;m sure. Frankly, I admire the ones who went and did the hard sciences - perhaps you were even smarter than we all knew you were at the time - you never sat up all night arguing with a stoned trust-fund kid about the merits of Marlowe's Faustus versus Goethe's Faust in terms of their overall narrative scope and authorial ambition.

Also, I never lived in a dorm, I lived at home and commuted to class, so I missed out on all that drunken partying and stuff.

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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, May 31, 2011 11:38:06am

For those here who would know, I found a copy of the 1940 edition of the Union Prayer book as used by many (most?) Reform congregations here in the US. I picked it up mostly because it's almost all in English which allows someone like me to study it.

I'm just curious if anyone could say how good, bad or indifferent the translations from the Hebrew are? Is the English a good representation of the prayers?

Thanks!

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Guanxi88 Tue, May 31, 2011 11:38:39am

re: #113 Alouette

Also, I never lived in a dorm, I lived at home and commuted to class, so I missed out on all that drunken partying and stuff.

sad and wise, at the same time.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, May 31, 2011 11:38:49am

re: #113 Alouette

Also, I never lived in a dorm, I lived at home and commuted to class, so I missed out on all that drunken partying and stuff.

I lived in a dorm, but as drunken partying would have gotten us all kicked out, it didn't happen.

We just ate too much and slept too little.

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albusteve Tue, May 31, 2011 11:39:01am

Afghan leader warns NATO not to become "occupying force"

KABUL (Reuters) - Afghan President Hamid Karzai angrily warned NATO forces fighting in his country they risked becoming seen as an "occupying force" if they did not stop attacking Afghan homes with air strikes as they hunt insurgents.

"If they don't stop air strikes on Afghan homes, their presence in Afghanistan will be considered as an occupying force and against the will of the Afghan people," Karzai told a news conference in Kabul on Tuesday.

fine with me...I don't give a shit about the will of the Afghan people anymore

[Link: beta.news.yahoo.com...]

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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, May 31, 2011 11:39:34am

re: #112 Guanxi88

Lotta headaches, I;m sure. Frankly, I admire the ones who went and did the hard sciences - perhaps you were even smarter than we all knew you were at the time - you never sat up all night arguing with a stoned trust-fund kid about the merits of Marlowe's Faustus versus Goethe's Faust in terms of their overall narrative scope and authorial ambition.

That would be a hoot and a hollar over a nice bottle of red.

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Guanxi88 Tue, May 31, 2011 11:40:17am

re: #118 wlewisiii

That would be a hoot and a hollar over a nice bottle of red.

Yeah, but that was ALL Andy ever talked about when he got high. Wore a bit thin, as one might imagine.

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Benghazzy Ben Ross Tue, May 31, 2011 11:40:30am

We interrupt this thread for the official Herman Cain Country/Western music video.

Youtube Video

No, it's not a joke.

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sattv4u2 Tue, May 31, 2011 11:41:12am

re: #113 Alouette

Also, I never lived in a dorm, I lived at home and commuted to class, so I missed out on all that drunken partying and stuff.

I never lived in the dorms either

I never missed out on all that drunken partying and stuff.

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Vicious Babushka Tue, May 31, 2011 11:41:45am

re: #114 wlewisiii

For those here who would know, I found a copy of the 1940 edition of the Union Prayer book as used by many (most?) Reform congregations here in the US. I picked it up mostly because it's almost all in English which allows someone like me to study it.

I'm just curious if anyone could say how good, bad or indifferent the translations from the Hebrew are? Is the English a good representation of the prayers?

Thanks!

I think that version of the Union Prayer Book is obsolete. There have been several revisions since then. The most current, I think, is Gates of Prayer.

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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, May 31, 2011 11:42:22am

re: #119 Guanxi88

Yeah, but that was ALL Andy ever talked about when he got high. Wore a bit thin, as one might imagine.

Ouch. Yeah, a one time thing, I could see, probably defending Marlowe. Did he have a preference?

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sattv4u2 Tue, May 31, 2011 11:42:28am

brb

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zora Tue, May 31, 2011 11:43:51am

re: #120 JasonA

i could only make it to the one minute mark. sheesh. i dislike herman cain even more now.

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Guanxi88 Tue, May 31, 2011 11:48:15am

re: #123 wlewisiii

Ouch. Yeah, a one time thing, I could see, probably defending Marlowe. Did he have a preference?

He was a Goethe fellow - I was more for Marlowe, whose narrative arc had its own ballistics, as it were - it made more sense than did Goethe's, at least to my mind.

Goethe, I held, was trying to hold out the Enlightenment ideal of the rational-technical conquest of nature for the relief of Man's estate (which is the entire project of Modernity - there is nothing else from Machiavelli on) as a semi-redemptive act, as it were, the materialist Passion of Faust, simultaneously cleansing the sin (selling the soul, which is what Modernity required as the price of power) and absolving the debtor. Yes, I said it was an inversion of the Christian mythos.

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Guanxi88 Tue, May 31, 2011 11:50:04am

re: #126 Guanxi88

Oh yeah! I went there!

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makeitstopghazi Tue, May 31, 2011 11:52:54am

re: #120 JasonA

We interrupt this thread for the official Herman Cain Country/Western music video.

[Video]No, it's not a joke.

Hey, that was pretty terrible.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 31, 2011 11:54:14am

re: #114 wlewisiii

For those here who would know, I found a copy of the 1940 edition of the Union Prayer book as used by many (most?) Reform congregations here in the US. I picked it up mostly because it's almost all in English which allows someone like me to study it.

I'm just curious if anyone could say how good, bad or indifferent the translations from the Hebrew are? Is the English a good representation of the prayers?

Thanks!

I honestly have no idea, although I probably used that as a kid.

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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, May 31, 2011 11:54:23am

re: #126 Guanxi88

He was a Goethe fellow - I was more for Marlowe, whose narrative arc had its own ballistics, as it were - it made more sense than did Goethe's, at least to my mind.

Goethe, I held, was trying to hold out the Enlightenment ideal of the rational-technical conquest of nature for the relief of Man's estate (which is the entire project of Modernity - there is nothing else from Machiavelli on) as a semi-redemptive act, as it were, the materialist Passion of Faust, simultaneously cleansing the sin (selling the soul, which is what Modernity required as the price of power) and absolving the debtor. Yes, I said it was an inversion of the Christian mythos.

Fun stuff. I always enjoyed doing that kind of thing as long as it was with people who didn't take it too seriously. I could get stranger up in the Philosophy department when people started arguing about Wittgenstein... :eek:

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Guanxi88 Tue, May 31, 2011 11:54:26am

re: #128 makeitstop

Hey, that was pretty terrible.

You think that was bad now, but wait till I show you my collection of love haikus. Then, Cain'll look like a little slice of just about okay.

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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, May 31, 2011 11:56:21am

re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist

I honestly have no idea, although I probably used that as a kid.

Ok, just curious. I know it's old and out of date, but it's an interesting read to me.

Thanks!

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Guanxi88 Tue, May 31, 2011 11:56:51am

re: #130 wlewisiii

Fun stuff. I always enjoyed doing that kind of thing as long as it was with people who didn't take it too seriously. I could get stranger up in the Philosophy department when people started arguing about Wittgenstein... :eek:

Read as far into modernity as Machiavelli - everyone else just followed his lead - then moved on to Heidegger, as a sort of palate-cleanser to prepare me to head back into the greeks again, using arabic and jewish commentaries for support.

Fun indeed, and, at times, then as now, my thoughts and words were largely indistinguishable from schizophrenic free-association. used to count the number of chapters in every book before I began, to find the exact middle, and then use it as a proof-text for the rest of the work. things like that.

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Spocomptonite Tue, May 31, 2011 12:04:51pm

“Why is it bigoted to resist Adolf Hitler and the Nazis and to say we don’t want to live under Nazi Germany?” Robertson said. “But oh it’s bigoted if we speak out against a force that slowly but surely is trying to exercise domination over the world.”

Pat Robertson, guided but his own interpretation of Christianity, a religion ironically related to/part of the basis of Islam, IS a force that slowly but surely is trying to exercise domination over the world.

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Guanxi88 Tue, May 31, 2011 12:11:08pm

Ahh, well, my work here is done.

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Martinsmithy Tue, May 31, 2011 12:24:59pm

On top of his numerous other faults, isn't Pat Robertson senile by now?

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, May 31, 2011 12:41:08pm

“I wonder what were people who opposed the Nazis, were they bigots?”

And I wonder what the 'go to' bogeyman would be for bigots like Pat had the Nazis never existed.

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Eclectic Infidel Tue, May 31, 2011 1:49:52pm

re: #20 Charles

Robertson is using a new right wing talking point that may have originated with Geert Wilders. In their twisted world, they're standing up for free speech when they spew hatred against Muslims and advocate stripping them of rights.

It's a technique that has been used on a certain pro-Israel list I am on; myself and others were referred to as "Muslim Apologists" for having the audacity to refuse to categorize all Muslims as evil. Granted the label "Muslim Apologists" is not so terrible an insult, but it was posted with an article about some Muslims oppressing Christians, implying that we (SFZ and myself) were excusing such behavior.

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renata39.5 Tue, May 31, 2011 1:54:44pm

re: #120 JasonA

That was...interesting. Actually, it wouldn't be that bad if it were normal ad length instead of 4 minutes. 4 minutes! No political ad should be that long. And then there's the pile on of rhyming analogies: like a hurricane, the Herman Cain train, raising cane. Just decide already.

What I do find interesting is that Cain is the embodiment of what this segment of conservatism is looking for: a businessman who made it on his own a la bootstraps. He's the perfect candidate for those who believe that running the government should be just like running a business. (too bad it isn't the same at all). It should be interesting to see whether, in this rather uninspired field, he can make a mark based on that despite the fact that a majority of his potential base would be in the Deep South. It should be an interesting watch.

And, am I the only one who looked at the older white people in his audiences and wondered how many of them were ok with segregation? Is it wrong that I was wondering that....?

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Stephen T. Tue, May 31, 2011 3:50:20pm

re: #33 SanFranciscoZionist

So far I have not found a single example of sharia being imposed in America.

I have been given an examples that wingnuts believe is an example of sharia law being imposed in America. They pointed out that their local grocery store (only one of many in the area) now has a section of Halal foodstuffs. This is in an area of the city in which many Muslims live and work.

The rest are similar to that.

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CuriousLurker Tue, May 31, 2011 4:31:13pm

re: #140 Scarecrow237

Tell them to stop getting their panties in a wad over nontroversies and grow up. Imposition implies force. No one is forcing non-Muslims to buy halal food. Hell, for that matter no one is even forcing Muslims to buy halal food.

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Stephen T. Tue, May 31, 2011 4:48:07pm

re: #141 CuriousLurker

That's the thing, they don't see themselves being forced to buy halal food. They find its sale an imposition, just like having Muslims move into the neighborhood and attend their kids schools or build a mosque is an imposition.

The fear of sharia law isn't really a fear of the laws of the Muslim faith, it is a not-so-cleverly disguised fear of the existence of the faith and its faithful on its own.

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CuriousLurker Tue, May 31, 2011 5:49:42pm

re: #142 Scarecrow237

That the very existence of "the other" in their is considered an imposition is...telling. And it's not telling anything good.

I will never for the life of me be able to understand the fear of diversity—to me, it's the most amazing, fascinating, glorious thing about the universe we live in.

There was a Japanese artist or designer, I don't remember his name or exact profession, but someone asked him his idea of hell and he answered something to the effect of: An eternally blooming field of cherry trees for as far as they eye can see.

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