Mitt Romney's Pants Catch Fire Again

Mitt Romney’s Pants Catch Fire Again

Pandering to the lies of the far right

PoliticsJune 2011 • Views: 25,861

For the second day in a row Mitt Romney’s pants are ablaze, as he parrots one of the very stupidest claims of the lunatic right: Mitt Romney says Barack Obama ‘traveled around the globe to apologize for America” - Pants on Fire!

On the substance of Romney’s charge, we believe that what we wrote in March 2010 still stands. While Obama’s speeches contained some criticisms of past U.S. actions, those passages were typically leavened by praise for the United States and its ideals, and he frequently mentioned how other countries have erred as well. We found not a single, full-throated apology in the bunch. And on the new angle he added — that the trips were intended to offer the president a forum to apologize to other countries — we think it’s a ridiculous charge. There’s a clear difference between changing policies and apologizing, and Obama didn’t do the latter. So we rate Romney’s statement Pants on Fire.

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148 comments

albusteve Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:16:49pm

Mitt already sounds a bit desperate….but after years of blathering tripe for a living, I’d expect little else…blaming is always more difficult than organizing your ever changing ideology on the fly….ho hum

eastsider Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:18:46pm

Didn’t politifact get the memo? You’re allowed (and encouraged) to lie if it fits in your narrative.

Buck Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:20:51pm

Maybe Romney is a follower of Krauthammer?

littlegreenfootballs.com

Alexzander Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:20:57pm

Anyone watch Daily Show last night? I’m watching it right now.. I’m glad he addressed the awkwardness of covering his personal friend’s ‘scandal’. The bit with the singer is hilarious.

Lidane Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:21:02pm

APOLOGY TOUR! ZOMG!

Political Atheist Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:21:29pm

Good advice from Haley Barbour, advice Huntsman and all the rest can use.

“We’re going to nominate someone for president who doesn’t agree with you on everything and who you don’t agree with on everything,” Barbour said. “But I’ll tell you what. You’re going to agree with them a whole lot more than you agree with Barack Obama.”

Read more: politico.com

Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:21:54pm

Checked the Politifact pants on fire score card. Mitt 4, President Obama 3.

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:23:08pm

re: #3 Buck

How old is that link, Buck?

Alexzander Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:23:11pm

Romney has been giving the “apology tour” meme a lot of time ever since he released and toured with his book “No Apology: The Case for American Greatness” in 2010.

albusteve Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:24:07pm

re: #7 Cannadian Club Akbar

Checked the Politifact pants on fire score card. Mitt 4, President Obama 3.

I thought that flying around Europe during the campaign was genuinely stupid….he said much then that sure seemed apologetic to me

Alexzander Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:24:22pm

re: #8 Obdicut

How old is that link, Buck?

I just checked; Jan 09.

Buck Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:24:35pm

re: #8 Obdicut

How old is that link, Buck?

Jan 2009 Why?

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:25:09pm

re: #12 Buck

Jan 2009 Why?

So, you’re saying Romney is using 2 year old articles on Obama, and ignoring Obama’s actual record over the past 2 years?

Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:25:15pm

re: #10 albusteve

I thought that flying around Europe during the campaign was genuinely stupid…he said much then that sure seemed apologetic to me

Looks like 2 of President Obama’s comments might have been made during the 2008 campaign.

Political Atheist Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:25:58pm

re: #7 Cannadian Club Akbar

Checked the Politifact pants on fire score card. Mitt 4, President Obama 3.

Don’t forget the 49 “false” ones too. Mitt’s at 4 Pants On Fire and 8 false. Web site vs website.

Charles Johnson Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:26:10pm

I think Obama was a bit naive when he took office. His promise to negotiate with Iran is an example.

Those days are long past, though.

Buck Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:26:32pm

re: #13 Obdicut

So, you’re saying Romney is using 2 year old articles on Obama, and ignoring Obama’s actual record over the past 2 years?

OK, you set the rules…..How far back are people allowed to go when discussing their record? You set the number of months or years…. I don’t care. But then you have to stick to it.

Charles Johnson Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:26:58pm

The right really loves this “apology tour” idiocy. It’s an article of faith.

Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:27:17pm

re: #14 Cannadian Club Akbar

Looks like 2 of President Obama’s comments might have been made during the 2008 campaign.

Romney 3 since May 12.

albusteve Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:28:09pm

re: #16 Charles

I think Obama was a bit naive when he took office. His promise to negotiate with Iran is an example.

Those days are long past, though.

like I’ve said, his learning curve has flattened out substantially, if you want to pay attention of course

LWNJ Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:28:35pm

re: #16 Charles

Not to mention all that talk about bipartisanship. Bet he’s over that too.

Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:28:43pm

re: #16 Charles

I think Obama was a bit naive when he took office. His promise to negotiate with Iran is an example.

Those days are long past, though.

I think some things for the President changed when he received a full intel briefing.

goddamnedfrank Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:29:01pm

re: #16 Charles

I think Obama was a bit naive when he took office. His promise to negotiate with Iran is an example.

Those days are long past, though.

Obama actually laughed and nodded in agreement when Seth Meyers brought up this point at the correspondent’s dinner.

darthstar Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:30:11pm

re: #7 Cannadian Club Akbar

Checked the Politifact pants on fire score card. Mitt 4, President Obama 3.

Mitt’s winning!
Image: WAE_main3.jpg

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:30:59pm

re: #17 Buck

OK, you set the rules…How far back are people allowed to go when discussing their record? You set the number of months or years… I don’t care. But then you have to stick to it.

I’m sorry, I don’t really understand what you mean.

You said that perhaps Romney was a follower of Krauthammer, and then offered an article that Krauthammer had written two years ago. I was wondering whether you really were saying that Romney was following that article. It’s perfectly fine to bring up someone’s ‘record’ for as far back as you want to. I’m just wondering why you were referencing an article from two years ago, specifically— or rather, referencing Charles’ post on that article.

Charles Johnson Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:31:18pm

Right wingers on Twitter are now claiming Sarah Palin was RIGHT about Paul Revere!

You can’t write comedy like this.

diamonda2u Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:32:33pm

For now, Romney has bigger problems that apparently he wants to ignore…
the evangelicals… who ain’t voting for him no matter what he does. He better start sucking up to them now and stop worrying about Obama…leave that to after you win the primary.

darthstar Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:36:22pm

re: #26 Charles

Right wingers on Twitter are now claiming Sarah Palin was RIGHT about Paul Revere!

You can’t write comedy like this.

She was right about…uh…Paul Revere…you know, shooting…the shots…and bells ringing…and telling the British they can’t take our arms away…because arms are for hugging…and we’re Americans…we hug.

Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:36:39pm

The PAC money is gonna be flying in the 2012 election cycle. Tip: Turn off the TV starting in March and turn it back on mid-November. At least then there will only be mushy Christmas sale commercials.

Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:37:34pm

re: #28 darthstar

She was right about…uh…Paul Revere…you know, shooting…the shots…and bells ringing…and telling the British they can’t take our arms away…because arms are for hugging…and we’re Americans…we hug.

Sounds like Christmas at my house.
/

researchok Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:37:44pm

re: #18 Charles

The right really loves this “apology tour” idiocy. It’s an article of faith.

It’s all sound bite politics and electioneering.

The GOP is praying for (no pun intended) for stupid to reign supreme.

Good luck with that.

Buck Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:37:44pm

re: #25 Obdicut

I’m sorry, I don’t really understand what you mean.

You said that perhaps Romney was a follower of Krauthammer, and then offered an article that Krauthammer had written two years ago. I was wondering whether you really were saying that Romney was following that article. It’s perfectly fine to bring up someone’s ‘record’ for as far back as you want to. I’m just wondering why you were referencing an article from two years ago, specifically— or rather, referencing Charles’ post on that article.

I reference LGF posts as often as I can because I don’t know the list of sites that we are not supposed to link to. It seems the safest to link to something that is already on LGF.

What am I saying? You really don’t understand? It seems very clear to me and most everyone else who read the link.

The meme of Obama apologizing is not a new one. It has been mentioned once or twice before.

Now, people can argue about what constitutes a full out apology, and from polifacts POV they may need to actually hear the words “I am sorry”. It is their website, and they can set whatever standard they want.

Some have a different threshold. Romney clearly is one of those people.

wrenchwench Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:39:11pm

FLAG PIN!!1!

Oh, sorry. That was lodged next to the Apology Tour and got knocked out of place. I’ll get some barely reconstituted KoolAid and stick it back into place.

Lidane Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:39:44pm

re: #26 Charles

Right wingers on Twitter are now claiming Sarah Palin was RIGHT about Paul Revere!

You can’t write comedy like this.

Somewhere out there, Tina Fey is sending Caribou Barbie a fruit basket for saving her the time and effort of coming up with new material.

albusteve Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:40:41pm

re: #33 wrenchwench

Oh, sorry. That was lodged next to the Apology Tour and got knocked out of place. I’ll get some barely reconstituted KoolAid and stick it back into place.

then there was Maogate….the Christmas story
Che would have been bummed

Charles Johnson Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:41:13pm

Just went over 500 retweets for the “Breitbart’s Source Deletes Twitter Account” article.

It’s near the top of Memeorandum too.

Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:43:11pm

re: #35 albusteve

then there was Maogate…the Christmas story
Che would have been bummed

Che had a flag of himself hung in an office in, iirc, Chicago. So he’s cool.

Lidane Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:43:43pm

re: #32 Buck

Bullshit. Romney is just pandering to the nutjob base. His only threshold is whatever needs to be said so that the people who hate him for being Mormon and for Romneycare will actually find a reason to vote for him.

Robert O. Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:44:10pm

Here is a question: has the government (either at the federal level or state level) ever apologized for the injustice of slavery and Jim Crow laws to African Americans? That would be one deserving apology.

albusteve Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:44:24pm

re: #37 Cannadian Club Akbar

Che had a flag of himself hung in an office in, iirc, Chicago. So he’s cool.

that’s right…he did make the list

Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:44:46pm

re: #39 Robert O.

Here is a question: has the government (either at the federal level or state level) ever apologized for the injustice of slavery and Jim Crow laws to African Americans? That would be one deserving apology.

I think Clinton did.

Lidane Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:45:48pm

re: #41 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think Clinton did.

I thought that was for the Tuskegee experiments?

Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:47:06pm

re: #39 Robert O.

Here is a question: has the government (either at the federal level or state level) ever apologized for the injustice of slavery and Jim Crow laws to African Americans? That would be one deserving apology.

npr.org

Decatur Deb Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:47:48pm

re: #39 Robert O.

Here is a question: has the government (either at the federal level or state level) ever apologized for the injustice of slavery and Jim Crow laws to African Americans? That would be one deserving apology.

Yes.

House formally apologizes for slavery and Jim Crow
By JIM ABRAMS, Associated Press Writer
Tue Jul 29, 7:05 PM ET

WASHINGTON - The House on Tuesday issued an unprecedented apology to black Americans for the wrongs committed against them and their ancestors who suffered under slavery and Jim Crow segregation laws. “Today represents a milestone in our nation’s efforts to remedy the ills of our past,” said Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, D-Mich., chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus.

The resolution, passed by voice vote, was the work of Tennessee Democrat Steve Cohen, the only white lawmaker to represent a majority black district. Cohen faces a formidable black challenger in a primary face-off next week.

Congress has issued apologies before — to Japanese-Americans for their internment during World War II and to native Hawaiians for the overthrow of the Hawaiian kingdom in 1893. In 2005, the Senate apologized for failing to pass anti-lynching laws.

Five states have issued apologies for slavery, but past proposals in Congress have stalled, partly over concerns that an apology would lead to demands for reparations — payment for damages.

The Cohen resolution does not mention reparations. It does commit the House to rectifying “the lingering consequences of the misdeeds committed against African-Americans under slavery and Jim Crow.”

It says that Africans forced into slavery “were brutalized, humiliated, dehumanized and subjected to the indignity of being stripped of their names and heritage” and that black Americans today continue to suffer from the consequences of slavery and Jim Crow laws that fostered discrimination and segregation.

The House “apologizes to African-Americans on behalf of the people of the United States, for the wrongs committed against them and their ancestors who suffered under slavery and Jim Crow.”

“Slavery and Jim Crow are stains upon what is the greatest nation on the face of the earth,” Cohen said. Part of forming a more perfect union, he said, “is such a resolution as we have before us today where we face up to our mistakes and apologize as anyone should apologize for things that were done in the past that were wrong.”

Cohen became the first white to represent the 60 percent black district in Memphis in more than three decades when he captured a 2006 primary where a dozen black candidates split the vote. He has sought to reach out to his black constituents, and early in his term showed interest in joining the Congressional Black Caucus until learning that was against caucus rules.

Another of his first acts as a freshman congressman in early 2007 was to introduce the slavery apology resolution. His office said that the House resolution was brought to the floor only after learning that the Senate would be unable to join in a joint resolution.

More than a dozen of the 42 Congressional Black Caucus members in the House were original co-sponsors of the measure. The caucus has not endorsed either Cohen or his chief rival, attorney Nikki Tinker, in the Memphis primary, although Cohen is backed by several senior members, including Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers, D-Mich., and Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles Rangel, D-N.Y. Tinker is the former campaign manager of Harold Ford, Jr., who held Cohen’s seat until he stepped down in an unsuccessful run for the Senate in 2006.

The bill is H. Res. 194

On the Net: Congress: thomas.loc.gov

news.yahoo.com

More PCBS …..

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:48:15pm

re: #32 Buck

The meme of Obama apologizing is not a new one. It has been mentioned once or twice before.

Yes. You’re right that it’s an old meme.

Now, people can argue about what constitutes a full out apology, and from polifacts POV they may need to actually hear the words “I am sorry”.

No, that’s a massive simplification and distortion of what Politifact said, given that they went into it at some length— noting, for example, that even when Obama recognized mistakes, he still made a strong case for the US not needing to apologize in general.

The article you’re referencing, for example, was written before Obama said this:

Whatever mistakes we have made, the plain fact is this: The United States of America has helped underwrite global security for more than six decades with the blood of our citizens and the strength of our arms. The service and sacrifice of our men and women in uniform has promoted peace and prosperity from Germany to Korea, and enabled democracy to take hold in places like the Balkans. We have borne this burden not because we seek to impose our will. We have done so out of enlightened self-interest — because we seek a better future for our children and grandchildren, and we believe that their lives will be better if others’ children and grandchildren can live in freedom and prosperity.

Do you think that it’s reasonable to interpret that above paragraph as apologetic?

albusteve Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:49:08pm

re: #38 Lidane

Bullshit. Romney is just pandering to the nutjob base. His only threshold is whatever needs to be said so that the people who hate him for being Mormon and for Romneycare will actually find a reason to vote for him.

what’s that got to do with #32?

Tiny alien kittens are watching you Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:49:31pm

But Romney can’t be elected anyway, because the Freepers are prohibited from supporting him…

NOTICE: FR DOES NOT AND WILL NOT SUPPORT ABORTIONIST, GAY RIGHTS PUSHING BIG GOVERNMENT STATISTS
vanity | May 26, 2011 | Jim Robinson

Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2011 11:31:29 PM by Jim Robinson

NOTICE: FR DOES NOT AND WILL NOT SUPPORT ABORTIONIST, GAY RIGHTS PUSHING BIG GOVERNMENT STATISTS FOR PRESIDENT!!

This message is intended for those posters on FR who seem to have missed my prior statements in this regard and insist on advocating for these bastards.

I’d rather shut the place down than be involved in any effort to install abortionist/gay rights pushing RINOS like Romney or Giuliani into the White House!!

Do NOT push this crap on FR. Take your business elsewhere!! And I don’t care how long you’ve been here!!

freerepublic.com

Romney and Giuliani are DOOMED! doomed I tell you!!11!

Decatur Deb Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:49:44pm

re: #39 Robert O.

Here is a question: has the government (either at the federal level or state level) ever apologized for the injustice of slavery and Jim Crow laws to African Americans? That would be one deserving apology.

And Alabama:

google.com

ReamWorks SKG Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:54:38pm

re: #47 ausador

When, exactly, did Mitt Romney push “gay rights?” I must have missed that!

Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:55:55pm

re: #48 Decatur Deb

And Alabama:

[Link: www.google.com…]

I had a link that said 7 other states did the same but the page wouldn’t load.

mr. hammer Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:56:10pm

Yep, That sure is a whopper. Right up there with “Ted Nugent is a white supremacist”.

eastsider Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:56:41pm

Does anyone know when they have to declare by? The ‘running-but-not-official-yet’ stick is somewhat annoying.

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:57:50pm

Hey, everyone should read this: littlegreenfootballs.com

It’s Alouette’s page on the incredibly anti-semitic, blatantly racist cartoon being used by anti-circumcision activists.

It’s kind of beyond appalling and mindblowing.

RadicalModerate Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:58:03pm

re: #51 mr. hammer

Yep, That sure is a whopper. Right up there with “Ted Nugent is a white supremacist”.

Wait. Are you claiming the Ted ISN’T, even with his own racist statements, and associations with white nationalist groups?

Charles Johnson Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:58:34pm

re: #51 mr. hammer

Yep, That sure is a whopper. Right up there with “Ted Nugent is a white supremacist”.

Ted Nugent IS a white supremacist.

Or do you think everybody goes on openly white supremacist radio shows?

mr. hammer Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:58:56pm

re: #54 RadicalModerate

Pretty sure Ted isn’t.

Charles Johnson Fri, Jun 3, 2011 2:59:29pm

re: #56 mr. hammer

Pretty sure Ted isn’t.

Oh really? Care to explain why he’s appeared several times on a radio show that is blatantly, openly racist?

Robert O. Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:00:19pm

re: #43 Cannadian Club Akbar

Thanks. It’s good to know….

Buck Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:00:44pm

re: #45 Obdicut

No, that’s a massive simplification and distortion of what Politifact said, given that they went into it at some length— noting, for example, that even when Obama recognized mistakes, he still made a strong case for the US not needing to apologize in general.

Actually one of their experts said exactly that.

Lauren Bloom, an attorney and business consultant, wrote the book, The Art of the Apology, advising businesses and individuals on when to apologize and how to do it.

She said Obama’s words fall short of an apology, mostly because he didn’t use the words “sorry” or “regret.” “I think to make an effective apology, the words ‘I’m sorry’ or ‘we’re sorry’ always have to be there,” Bloom said.

Obama’s remarks are really non-apologies, and they’re not good in business or personal relationships, Bloom said. The one area where they can be useful: international diplomacy.

And look, anyone can find Obama saying one thing, and then saying another almost opposite thing. Actually you can find many politicians saying exactly what the crowd in front of them wants to hear.

So what do you use? Just the most recent? Or maybe just the stuff you agree with. Ignoring the rest.

It is my opinion that Obama is really trying to put the US policy into the middle. He seems to like the “on the one hand this, but on the other hand that” sort of speech. Everyone thinks he is so smart to do it because everybody gets to quote something they can take away as positive to
them.

Personally, I think the far left (who I maintain helped him get elected) is starting to see the “I can see both sides of the argument” style. I don’t think they like it any better than the right.

mr. hammer Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:00:52pm

re: #57 Charles

Nope. Can’t explain that. Been a fan foreverm and I just don’t think it’s so. You tell me. You ever cross paths with the man?

Charles Johnson Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:01:55pm

re: #60 mr. hammer

Nope. Can’t explain that. Been a fan foreverm and I just don’t think it’s so. You tell me. You ever cross paths with the man?

Oh, you can’t explain it, but you still think it’s a “whopper,” because you just feel it can’t be true.

Ted Nugent appeared on a radio show that often hosts David Duke. Maybe Duke isn’t a white supremacist either?

albusteve Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:02:20pm

re: #60 mr. hammer

Nope. Can’t explain that. Been a fan foreverm and I just don’t think it’s so. You tell me. You ever cross paths with the man?

it’s not about music or fandom

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:02:21pm

re: #59 Buck

Actually one of their experts said exactly that.

Right. One of, however, you presented that expert’s opinion as that of Politifact, even though the referenced multiple others. That’s why I said you simplified and distorted their opinion.

And as to the rest of what you said: Since you obviously will not actually answer the question straightforwardly, I’m going to stop asking. You’ve made your evasion clear.

William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:03:33pm

re: #51 mr. hammer

Ted’s a racist as they come and no amount of pretense will change that.

I suppose you also think he’s the great white hunter too?

darthstar Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:04:40pm

re: #61 Charles

Oh, you can’t explain it, but you still think it’s a “whopper,” because you just feel it can’t be true.

Ted Nugent appeared on a radio show that often hosts David Duke. Maybe Duke isn’t a white supremacist either?

God said it. The bible proves it. The Hammer believes it. Ted Nugent ain’t no racist….raging bigoted asshole, maybe…but not the r word…nosireebob.
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Buck Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:05:29pm

re: #63 Obdicut

Since you obviously will not actually answer the question straightforwardly, I’m going to stop asking. You’ve made your evasion clear.

Is that all I had to do? Wow, I wish I had learned that long ago.

Actually I thought my answer was well thought out and written.

I just don’t answer “Have you stopped beating your wife” questions with just a yes or no.

bratwurst Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:06:09pm

re: #60 mr. hammer

Nope. Can’t explain that. Been a fan foreverm and I just don’t think it’s so. You tell me. You ever cross paths with the man?

Are you a fan of this?

Youtube Video

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:06:18pm

re: #60 mr. hammer

Nope. Can’t explain that. Been a fan foreverm and I just don’t think it’s so. You tell me. You ever cross paths with the man?

This is what he said in 1990, defending his choice to play in apartheid South Africa:

My being there (South Africa) isn’t going to affect any political structure. Besides, apartheid isn’t that cut-and-dry. All men are not created equal. The preponderance of South Africa is a different breed of man…They still put bones in their noses, they still walk around naked, they wipe their butts with their hands. And when I kill an antelope for ‘em, their preference is the gut pile. That’s what they f***ing want to eat, the intestines. These are different people. You give them toothpaste, they f***ing eat it.

albusteve Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:06:30pm

The Telegraph Herald reported earlier this month that musician and conservative activist Ted Nugent appeared at a show in Dubuque, Iowa, and told the crowd, “There’s a lot of white people in this crowd — I like that! (Dubuque) is a white town.” The Telegraph Herald added that “Nugent also pointed out at least one audience member and questioned his race.” The Iowa-based newspaper also slammed Nugent’s remarks in an editorial, and noted that Nugent has a history of incendiary remarks.

mediamatters.org

Ted is a Numba 1 asshole

mr. hammer Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:06:54pm

re: #61 Charles

If appearing on a radio show is the only evidence, it seems a stretch to me. I’ve heard him speak many times. I know he honors and respects Motown. You must’ve met him along the way, Charles. Is there more to the story?

albusteve Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:07:26pm

re: #64 wlewisiii

Ted’s a racist as they come and no amount of pretense will change that.

I suppose you also think he’s the great white hunter too?

he’s a big time trophy hunter…is that the same thing?

Charles Johnson Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:07:39pm

re: #68 Obdicut

This is what he said in 1990, defending his choice to play in apartheid South Africa:

My being there (South Africa) isn’t going to affect any political structure. Besides, apartheid isn’t that cut-and-dry. All men are not created equal. The preponderance of South Africa is a different breed of man…They still put bones in their noses, they still walk around naked, they wipe their butts with their hands. And when I kill an antelope for ‘em, their preference is the gut pile. That’s what they f***ing want to eat, the intestines. These are different people. You give them toothpaste, they f***ing eat it.

Whoa. I hadn’t seen that quote before. Ugh.

mr. hammer Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:08:24pm

re: #67 bratwurst

Vulgar and horrible. But racist?

wrenchwench Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:09:40pm

re: #73 mr. hammer

Vulgar and horrible. But racist?

Dude. You’re making us ’04s look bad.

albusteve Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:10:20pm

re: #73 mr. hammer

Vulgar and horrible. But racist?

if Ted isn’t racist, considering all the evidence otherwise, what would you call him?

mr. hammer Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:10:39pm

re: #69 albusteve

Maybe so. But this guy is disputing it.

bratwurst Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:10:43pm

re: #73 mr. hammer

Vulgar and horrible. But racist?

So you are a big fan of someone who is regularly vulgar and horrible, bur not racist. Great.

Charles Johnson Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:10:49pm

re: #70 mr. hammer

If appearing on a radio show is the only evidence, it seems a stretch to me. I’ve heard him speak many times. I know he honors and respects Motown. You must’ve met him along the way, Charles. Is there more to the story?

No, I haven’t met Ted Nugent. Never wanted to.

Any reaction to the quote Obdicut just posted?

albusteve Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:10:56pm

re: #74 wrenchwench

Dude. You’re making us ’04s look bad.

/

I know that’s you behind the Reagan mask

Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:11:08pm

re: #74 wrenchwench

Dude. You’re making us ’04s look bad.

/

I’ve counted 3 “04 Lizards on this thread.

mr. hammer Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:11:25pm

re: #76 mr. hammer

Sorry. I don’t know how to work this thing.
here

William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:12:01pm

re: #71 albusteve

he’s a big time trophy hunter…is that the same thing?

Seems to be. to some of these nutjobs.

enemy Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:12:29pm

Another lie from Mitt.

albusteve Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:13:31pm

re: #82 wlewisiii

Seems to be. to some of these nutjobs.

20yrs ago my concrete sub was a trophy hunter…it was sickening

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:14:01pm

re: #81 mr. hammer

And what about this?

blogcritics.org

Denver radio listeners and disc jockeys were shell-shocked Monday after rocker Ted Nugent used derogatory racial terms for Asians and blacks on live radio.
The highly rated Lewis & Floorwax morning show on 103.5-FM The Fox quickly turned into a discussion of race relations after the ’70s rocker made his statements.
In using the words “g——” and “n——-” on live radio, Nugent was apparently trying to make the point that the terms were just words and shouldn’t offend anyone. But he missed the mark, listeners and Fox personnel agreed.
Rick Lewis and Michael Floorwax, longtime Nugent supporters and friends, were taken aback when Nugent went on his rant and took him to task on the air. Floorwax said on the air that he was disappointed that Nugent used the words; Lewis noted that Nugent likes to shock but went too far.
….The conversation was innocuous talk about guitars until Nugent referred to “Japs” in reference to Japanese-made guitars. Lewis and Floorwax immediately called him on that, which only encouraged Nugent to go further, using the word “g——.”

mr. hammer Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:14:10pm

re: #78 Charles

Here you go

Charleston Chew Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:14:19pm

re: #16 Charles

I think Obama was a bit naive when he took office. His promise to negotiate with Iran is an example.

Those days are long past, though.

I disagree with the myth that he was “naive” (beyond the obvious aspect of not knowing what it’s like to do something until you do it that we all experience everyday). I think that was cooked up by people who desperately needed to believe (or others to believe) he was terrible before he was elected, and then when his actions belied his haters words, they tried to cover their ass by saying he “was terrible but got better”.

Admitting one is wrong hurts one’s pride and the “the President was naive but got better” myth is an attempt to avoid that pain.

albusteve Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:16:17pm

re: #86 mr. hammer

Here you go

no mention of S Africa there…something’s amiss

wrenchwench Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:16:43pm

re: #86 mr. hammer

Here you go

That’s not a response to Obdicut’s post.

Charles Johnson Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:17:32pm

re: #87 Charleston Chew

But he did find out that promising to negotiate with Iran was just not going to work, didn’t he?

Because I sure haven’t seen any negotiations going on.

Velvet Elvis Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:19:10pm

re: #87 Charleston Chew

I disagree with the myth that he was “naive” (beyond the obvious aspect of not knowing what it’s like to do something until you do it that we all experience everyday). I think that was cooked up by people who desperately needed to believe (or others to believe) he was terrible before he was elected, and then when his actions belied his haters words, they tried to cover their ass by saying he “was terrible but got better”.

Admitting one is wrong hurts one’s pride and the “the President was naive but got better” myth is an attempt to avoid that pain.

Remember McCain was singing “Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Iran” at the time so this was really a reasonable sounding counter-position to take. I don’t think it was so much a statement of intent as a way of framing McCain’s position to make him look extreme.

mr. hammer Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:20:37pm

re: #89 wrenchwench
You’re right, sorry. It was a response to albusteve, I think.
I cannot rebut what Obdicut reported.

Charles Johnson Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:20:49pm

re: #86 mr. hammer

Here you go

What does that have to do with Nugent’s disgusting racist comments about apartheid?

Charleston Chew Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:21:05pm

re: #32 Buck

Now, people can argue about what constitutes a full out apology, and from polifacts POV they may need to actually hear the words “I am sorry”. It is their website, and they can set whatever standard they want.

Some have a different threshold. Romney clearly is one of those people.

Where should the bar be set? Should any speech that consists of more nuance than just chanting “America! Fuck Yeah!” be considered an apology?

darthstar Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:21:10pm

Ted Nugent is a chickenhawk.

(Nugent claims) that 30 days before his Draft Board Physical, he stopped all forms of personal hygiene. The last 10 days he ingested nothing but junk food and Pepsi, and a week before his physical, he stopped using the bathroom altogether, virtually living inside his pants caked with excrement and urine. That spectacle won Nugent a deferment.

That’s what he told High Times when he thought his draft-dodging was considered “cool”…

Charles Johnson Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:21:23pm

re: #92 mr. hammer

You’re right, sorry. It was a response to albusteve, I think.
I cannot rebut what Obdicut reported.

OK. So can I assume you’ll be apologizing now for saying I told a “whopper?”

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:21:41pm

re: #92 mr. hammer

So, does that change your opinion of him in reference to the topic of white supremacism?

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:23:39pm

re: #32 Buck

I reference LGF posts as often as I can because I don’t know the list of sites that we are not supposed to link to. It seems the safest to link to something that is already on LGF.

What am I saying? You really don’t understand? It seems very clear to me and most everyone else who read the link.

The meme of Obama apologizing is not a new one. It has been mentioned once or twice before.

Now, people can argue about what constitutes a full out apology, and from polifacts POV they may need to actually hear the words “I am sorry”. It is their website, and they can set whatever standard they want.

Some have a different threshold. Romney clearly is one of those people.

The meme of Obama apologizing is bullshit. Just because it’s been repeated repeatedly doesn’t make it less bullshit.

And this is not about Romney’s threshold. This is about Romney’s ability to smear a man he wants to beat out for the presidency.

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:24:01pm

re: #33 wrenchwench

Oh, sorry. That was lodged next to the Apology Tour and got knocked out of place. I’ll get some barely reconstituted KoolAid and stick it back into place.

Does anyone actually wear a flag pin anymore? Except for my dad?

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:24:30pm

re: #35 albusteve

then there was Maogate…the Christmas story
Che would have been bummed

Now, Maogate was FUN. Made my dad choke on his coffee.

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mr. hammer Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:25:32pm

re: #93 Charles

Not a thing. I was responding to albusteve. I don’t know the Obdicut quote… was trying to find where that was reported… Detroit Free Press Magazine?

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wrenchwench Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:25:42pm

re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist

Does anyone actually wear a flag pin anymore? Except for my dad?

Obama. Even with a formal black tie outfit.

/no good at menswear terminology…

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Buck Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:26:54pm

re: #94 Charleston Chew

Where should the bar be set? Should any speech that consists of more nuance than just chanting “America! Fuck Yeah!” be considered an apology?

It doesn’t matter. In this case some will have one opinion, and some will have another. It isn’t math. Each voter will decide where the bar is for themselves.

I just don’t think that Romney, who is hoping to run against Obama should be called a liar for stating what many others have said.

I think it is a valid criticism. Maybe it can’t actually rise to the level of a fact, but in opposition you can also simply criticize, and say I am going to do things differently.

Was McCain actually going to be just like GW Bush? Not if the standard is that he had to be exactly like Bush. However it didn’t stop Obama from saying it.

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Tiny alien kittens are watching you Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:26:56pm

re: #49 reuven

When, exactly, did Mitt Romney push “gay rights?” I must have missed that!

I have no idea, you would have to ask Jim Robinson the operator of Free Republic, that question. Perhaps it has something to do with some healthcare bill he said something supportive about, who knows? These are Freepers, they could be accusing him of support for gay rights because 10 years ago he approved the funds to study sexuality in ‘gay’ toads in some university study. It does not have to make sense or have any bearing on reality, it just has to resonate with the seemingly retarded/brain damaged Freepers.

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:27:24pm

re: #49 reuven

When, exactly, did Mitt Romney push “gay rights?” I must have missed that!

A dear friend of mine once ran into trouble with a Bible study group that found her a little problematic because she did not spend enough time denouncing teh ghey.

I said, “Are these specific gay people at your church that they mean?”

She said, “No. We don’t have any out gay people at this church. They just feel I don’t spend enough time talking about how homosexuality is wrong.”

She’s at a different church now. I believe they study the Bible during Bible study, or some radical notion like that.

I think this is similar. Mitt doesn’t just occasionally grab the mike and scream “Gay people are oppressing us and taking over the postal service!!”

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Charleston Chew Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:27:35pm

re: #90 Charles

But he did find out that promising to negotiate with Iran was just not going to work, didn’t he?

Because I sure haven’t seen any negotiations going on.

I think it’s more accurate to say he offered to negotiate with Iran. Seems like a perfectly sensible position to me. I don’t understand the strategy of not talking to a country because they’re doing something you don’t like. You don’t get anything out of it and they keep on doing what their doing. Seems like they win and you get nothing in that scenario.

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wrenchwench Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:28:35pm

re: #103 Buck

I think it is a valid criticism. Maybe it can’t actually rise to the level of a fact

You’re a piece of work.

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Buck Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:29:02pm

re: #107 wrenchwench

You’re a piece of work.

Is that a fact?

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wrenchwench Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:29:34pm

re: #108 Buck

Is that a fact?

It’s my opinion, based on evidence seen here.

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mr. hammer Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:29:56pm

I cannot quickly find the original quote. Was this the full quote from the Detroit Free Press Magazine?

“Nugent told the Detroit Free Press magazine that “apartheid isn’t that cut and dry. All men are not created equal. The preponderance of South Africa is a different breed of man. I mean that with no disrespect. I say that with great respect. I love them because I’m one of them. They are still people of the earth, but they are different. They still put bones in their noses, they still walk around naked, they wipe their butts with their hands….These are different people. You give ‘em toothpaste, they f—-ing eat it…I hope they don’t become civilized. They’re way ahead of the game.” In the same interview Nugent expounded on his racial views, “I use the word n——r a lot because I hang around with a lot of n——rs, and they use the word n——r, and I tend to use words that communicate….”

When faced with criticism over such comments, Nugent promises, “I don’t mean to offend. I’m a fun guy, not a sexist or a racist.”

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:30:08pm

re: #90 Charles

But he did find out that promising to negotiate with Iran was just not going to work, didn’t he?

Because I sure haven’t seen any negotiations going on.

I assume if they called and wanted to talk, he might sit down with them. That would be fun to watch.

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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:30:57pm

re: #101 mr. hammer

Yes, it was in the Detroit Free Press.

Are you saying that you don’t think it actually happened?

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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:31:50pm

re: #110 mr. hammer

That wasn’t the full article, but yes, that’s the full quote about apartheid.

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mr. hammer Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:32:33pm

re: #112 Obdicut

No, not at all. Before now, the only evidence I’d read was Charles comment that Nuge had appeared on a particular radio show.

Just trying to find the full, unedited quote.

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Buck Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:32:40pm

re: #106 Charleston Chew

I think it’s more accurate to say he offered to negotiate with Iran. Seems like a perfectly sensible position to me. I don’t understand the strategy of not talking to a country because they’re doing something you don’t like. You don’t get anything out of it and they keep on doing what their doing. Seems like they win and you get nothing in that scenario.

Except in this case he would have had to give something up. Maybe he didn’t feel he needed to have preconditions, but Iran certainly did. One was that Obama has to stop supporting Israel.

The correct question from that YouTuber during that debate should have been would you willing to meet Irans preconditions, and bring none yourself in order to negotiate?

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3CPO Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:33:01pm

re: #102 wrenchwench

Well…. I do.

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Charles Johnson Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:33:41pm

re: #114 mr. hammer

No, not at all. Before now, the only evidence I’d read was Charles comment that Nuge had appeared on a particular radio show.

No - not just some “particular” radio show. An openly racist and anti-semitic radio show run by a completely unapologetic white supremacist.

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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:34:31pm

re: #114 mr. hammer

You think some sort of context would make any of those individual sentences better?

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albusteve Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:34:53pm

re: #110 mr. hammer

I cannot quickly find the original quote. Was this the full quote from the Detroit Free Press Magazine?

“Nugent told the Detroit Free Press magazine that “apartheid isn’t that cut and dry. All men are not created equal. The preponderance of South Africa is a different breed of man. I mean that with no disrespect. I say that with great respect. I love them because I’m one of them. They are still people of the earth, but they are different. They still put bones in their noses, they still walk around naked, they wipe their butts with their hands…These are different people. You give ‘em toothpaste, they f—-ing eat it…I hope they don’t become civilized. They’re way ahead of the game.” In the same interview Nugent expounded on his racial views, “I use the word n—-r a lot because I hang around with a lot of n—-rs, and they use the word n—-r, and I tend to use words that communicate…”

When faced with criticism over such comments, Nugent promises, “I don’t mean to offend. I’m a fun guy, not a sexist or a racist.”

so Teds a forked tongue liar

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wrenchwench Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:35:18pm

re: #116 3CPO

Well… I do.

Wear a flag pin with your formal outfit? Is it a Cthulhu flag pin?

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3CPO Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:36:48pm

re: #120 wrenchwench

Sorry, I meant to reply to #99.

I wear a flag pin sometimes, but I rarely wear formal gear. And if I could find a Cthulhu flag pin, I’d wear it with everything.

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Charleston Chew Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:36:50pm

re: #115 Buck

Except in this case he would have had to give something up. Maybe he didn’t feel he needed to have preconditions, but Iran certainly did. One was that Obama has to stop supporting Israel.

The correct question from that YouTuber during that debate should have been would you willing to meet Irans preconditions, and bring none yourself in order to negotiate?

Oh, please. The President offered to talk to Iran without preconditions. If Iran said “you have to stop supporting Israel first”, the President’s response would be, “No, I won’t.”

I still don’t get what’s “naive” about that.

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wrenchwench Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:39:16pm

re: #118 Obdicut

You think some sort of context would make any of those individual sentences better?

Maybe a whole bag of sarc tags.

/free sample

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Buck Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:41:08pm

re: #122 Charleston Chew

Oh, please. The President offered to talk to Iran without preconditions. If Iran said “you have to stop supporting Israel first”, the President’s response would be, “No, I won’t.”

I still don’t get what’s “naive” about that.

and that is exactly what happened. Iran said they had preconditions, and the concept died.

I think the subject moved slightly. If you read the link on my #3, or the #0 polifacts link you will see examples of what SOME people consider to be apologizing for former US policies. Some with Arabs and Muslims… some with Europeans.

Some can call it bullshit, but there are people, other than Romney, who see it as a pattern.

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BongCrodny Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:41:17pm

re: #110 mr. hammer

When faced with criticism over such comments, Nugent promises, “I don’t mean to offend. I’m a fun guy, not a sexist or a racist.”

A fungi, indeed.

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Jack Burton Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:41:40pm

re: #87 Charleston Chew

I disagree with the myth that he was “naive” (beyond the obvious aspect of not knowing what it’s like to do something until you do it that we all experience everyday). I think that was cooked up by people who desperately needed to believe (or others to believe) he was terrible before he was elected, and then when his actions belied his haters words, they tried to cover their ass by saying he “was terrible but got better”.

Admitting one is wrong hurts one’s pride and the “the President was naive but got better” myth is an attempt to avoid that pain.

Obama made a lot of statements before the election that were problematic at best and completely asinine at worst. Many of the saner right & center-right Lizards that are still here expressed concerns about this at the time, including Charles.

I’m very happy that he either A) learned that things don’t necessarily work the way he thought they did, or B) he was just saying that shit to get the far left kooks to vote for him too. (They *hate* him almost as bad as the kook-right does now.) Either way he’s not the know-nothing far-lefty college brat that I thought he was and I take back nearly everything I said about him in 2008.

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Charles Johnson Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:41:53pm

re: #122 Charleston Chew

Oh, please. The President offered to talk to Iran without preconditions. If Iran said “you have to stop supporting Israel first”, the President’s response would be, “No, I won’t.”

I still don’t get what’s “naive” about that.

Given the 40-year history of Iran’s interactions with America, I still believe to this day that it’s naive to think it would ever be possible to have negotiations with “no preconditions.” Either naive, or just a campaign position that wasn’t really intended to ever happen.

As I said, I think those days are long past, though. Iran basically spit in Obama’s face, exactly as I knew they would.

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Charles Johnson Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:42:52pm

re: #114 mr. hammer

No, not at all. Before now, the only evidence I’d read was Charles comment that Nuge had appeared on a particular radio show.

Just trying to find the full, unedited quote.

How exactly do you think the “full, unedited quote” is going to make the blatant racism of those comments go away?

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mr. hammer Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:48:22pm

re: #128 Charles

The quote is profoundly offensive - as was the video. On the basis of this, am I ready to label him a “white supremicist”, with all the imagery that implies? I still don’t think so. I think maybe he’s just a jerk trying to be the most outrageous cat on the block.

I don’t think I’d want to be in his band anymore though…

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mr. hammer Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:48:56pm

I don’t think I am a fan anymore.

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Buck Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:49:21pm

re: #129 mr. hammer

updinged for honesty

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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:49:38pm

re: #129 mr. hammer

So, someone who performs in white supremacist country while defending apartheid and saying racist crap about the black natives, and who goes on a white supremacist radio show, is not a white supremacist.

Can you at least say that he clearly has no problem with white supremacists?

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mr. hammer Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:52:04pm

re: #132 Obdicut

I’ll say he has no problem performing in South Africa. I just cannot accept the idea that he’d have no problem performing at a Klan rally.

But maybe I am wrong about this too.

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mr. hammer Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:52:56pm

And furthermore, I am saddened to learn these things.

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albusteve Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:54:22pm

re: #134 mr. hammer

And furthermore, I am saddened to learn these things.

you should immediately burn his recordings

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Alexzander Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:54:52pm

re: #134 mr. hammer

And furthermore, I am saddened to learn these things.

I was never a fan of his but I feel bad for you - losing a hero in such a disappointing fashion can be devastating.

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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:54:59pm

re: #133 mr. hammer

I’ll say he has no problem performing in South Africa. I just cannot accept the idea that he’d have no problem performing at a Klan rally.

I’m not saying that he would. However, he was happy to appear on the same radio show that Klansmen and other white supremacists appear on. That radio show is, itself, also a white supremacist radio show.

So I’m not sure why you’re not ready to say that he doesn’t have a problem with white supremacists.

If he did, why’d he go on that show?

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mr. hammer Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:55:18pm

re: #135 albusteve

OK, but do I have to get rid of my old Byrdland too? Charles?

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mr. hammer Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:57:55pm

re: #137 Obdicut

Fair question. Dunno.

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:59:11pm

re: #124 Buck

and that is exactly what happened. Iran said they had preconditions, and the concept died.

I think the subject moved slightly. If you read the link on my #3, or the #0 polifacts link you will see examples of what SOME people consider to be apologizing for former US policies. Some with Arabs and Muslims… some with Europeans.

Some can call it bullshit, but there are people, other than Romney, who see it as a pattern.

Those are the people who told everyone else there was a pattern, and kept pointing it out until people could see it on their own.

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:59:42pm

re: #130 mr. hammer