Mitt Romney Doesn’t Deny Climate Change (or, Romney Commits Political Suicide)

Say goodnight, Mitt
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What a shame. After all that pandering to the far right by fear mongering about the “end of the free market economy” and “Obama’s apology tour,” Mitt Romney has to ruin it all by believing in science.

His run for President as a Republican is now officially over: The world is getting warmer: Romney.

(Reuters) - Presidential hopeful Mitt Romney broke with Republican orthodoxy on Friday by saying he believes that humans are responsible, at least to some extent, for climate change.

“I believe the world is getting warmer, and I believe that humans have contributed to that,” he told a crowd of about 200 at a town hall meeting in Manchester, New Hampshire.

“It’s important for us to reduce our emissions of pollutants and greenhouse gases that may be significant contributors.”

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190 comments
1 Summer Seale  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:20:12pm

Run, Sarah, Run!!!!

It’s YOUR time now! It’s your Icarus moment, Sarah! (I know, she’ll have to look that up.)

Don’t flagg, don’t falter, go for the gold!

2 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:20:20pm

That was a nice little campaign he almost had…

3 Summer Seale  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:21:34pm

Darn, that should have been ‘flag’. *sighs*

I hate typos.

4 darthstar  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:21:55pm

Racing Gingrich for the exit.

5 EdDantes  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:22:22pm

R.I.P Romney

6 freetoken  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:22:49pm

Here’s to you, Mr. Romney:

Remember, Mitt, heaven holds a place for those who pray…

7 enemy  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:23:03pm

Uh oh, the anti science neanderthals will not allow this.

8 EdDantes  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:23:08pm

re: #5 EdDantes

R.I.P Romney

Campaign, that is.

9 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:23:19pm

The United States can not go it alone in attempting to trim emissions levels and give a free pass to countries such as China and Brazil, Romney said. “It’s not called American warming, it’s called global warming,” he said.

By putting other countries in the fold makes it so a US President has an out. Kyoto, anyone?

10 butterick  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:24:10pm

Can’t wait to hear the howls echoing in the echo chamber. It makes a sweet music I like to call the dance of the sugar plum nugents.

11 RadicalModerate  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:24:41pm

This may be a desperate attempt to grab the political center by Romney. The far right “base” despises him for being a Mormon, and his less-than-absolutist stance on abortion. He isn’t getting the talibangelical vote anyway, so may be prodding a more fertile area.

Unfortunately for him, those people got fed up with the Republicans after this last election cycle.

12 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:25:38pm

There’s no way the right wing base will be OK with this. Climate change denial is at an absolute fever pitch on the right. They’re completely deranged about it and utterly disconnected from reality.

They’ll savage him for this.

13 brennant  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:26:12pm

re: #4 darthstar

Racing Gingrich for the exit.

I dunno Gingrich made it out first. Hands on door hitting himself in the ass as he went out…

14 Summer Seale  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:26:14pm

Tea Party gathering tonight:

“He’s not extreme enough…”

“Let’s burn him!!!!”

15 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:26:19pm

re: #11 RadicalModerate

This may be a desperate attempt to grab the political center by Romney. The far right “base” despises him for being a Mormon, and his less-than-absolutist stance on abortion. He isn’t getting the talibangelical vote anyway, so may be prodding a more fertile area.

Unfortunately for him, those people got fed up with the Republicans after this last election cycle.

The 2008 cycle or the 2010 one?

16 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:28:27pm

re: #11 RadicalModerate

This may be a desperate attempt to grab the political center by Romney. The far right “base” despises him for being a Mormon, and his less-than-absolutist stance on abortion. He isn’t getting the talibangelical vote anyway, so may be prodding a more fertile area.

Unfortunately for him, those people got fed up with the Republicans after this last election cycle.

Ayep, he’s looking for help from voters that simply aren’t there anymore. The GOP right now is a situation where the patients are running the asylum.

17 engineer cat  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:28:35pm

all republican candidates, especially presidential candidates, are fated to commit suicide one way or another in 2012

“would you sign the ryan plan yes or no?”

18 RadicalModerate  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:29:37pm

re: #15 Cannadian Club Akbar

The 2008 cycle or the 2010 one?

2010. A number of them were fooled into voting Republican during the midterms on the back of economic upheaval, but when these same Republicans started legislating a far-right social agenda right out of the gate, even ignoring their own fiscal promises (other than a blatant attempt to bankrupt the middle class), there is a LOT of buyer’s remorse, to the extent of recall petitions in multiple states.

19 albusteve  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:29:46pm

OTOH, this is what some have been waiting for…
neener
neener

20 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:30:35pm

re: #17 engineer dog

all republican candidates, especially presidential candidates, are fated to commit suicide one way or another in 2012

“would you sign the ryan plan yes or no?”

“Well, I think it’s a good start and when I become President I hope to reach across the isle, coming to an agreement both sides will be happy with”.

That was easy.

21 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:32:20pm

re: #20 Cannadian Club Akbar

“Well, I think it’s a good start and when I become President I hope to reach across the isle, coming to an agreement both sides will be happy with”.

That was easy.

“I think it’s addressing issues that we as a country need to look at, such as ‘reforming’ Medicare and how to foster a ‘business-friendly’ environment in order to revive the economy.”

22 engineer cat  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:32:58pm

re: #20 Cannadian Club Akbar

“Well, I think it’s a good start and when I become President I hope to reach across the isle, coming to an agreement both sides will be happy with”.

That was easy.

likes the ryan plan

60% won’t vote for this guy

talks about compromising with democrats

poison to wingnuts

23 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:33:09pm

re: #18 RadicalModerate

And those who won in 2010 will say “With a repub House and President we will finally be able to get real fiscal order back”. Trust me.

24 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:35:14pm

re: #21 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

“I think it’s addressing issues that we as a country need to look at, such as ‘reforming’ Medicare and how to foster a ‘business-friendly’ environment in order to revive the economy.”

“And we need to take care of Medicare to help our Seniors who need it most. But not by bankrupting our children”.

25 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:36:14pm

My God, I need to be a lying asshole DC insider. Heh.

26 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:36:58pm

re: #24 Cannadian Club Akbar

“And we need to take care of Medicare to help our Seniors who need it most. But not by bankrupting our children”.

“We all need to sacrifice to fix our economy, but taxing the rich is going to push us back into a recession, which will only make things worse.”

27 engineer cat  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:38:26pm

re: #26 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

“We all need to sacrifice to fix our economy, but taxing the rich is going to push us back into a recession, which will only make things worse.”

you fellers realize that these old dogs stopped a huntin after not coming up with any game after 30 years, dontcha?

28 albusteve  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:39:28pm

when the smoke clears, it’s likely he will be the last man standing…and I’m not willing to speculate that it’s impossible to beat BO…in fact the more vehement people get about the futility of the GOP I find pretty humorous…in fact nobody knows shit about any of it…who’s to say they don’t rally around Palin and send her to the WH?
(shiver)

29 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:39:41pm

re: #27 engineer dog

you fellers realize that these old dogs stopped a huntin after not coming up with any game after 30 years, dontcha?

It’s a sound bite world.

30 engineer cat  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:40:50pm

re: #29 Cannadian Club Akbar

It’s a sound bite world.

politicians need to make sure that their sound bites don’t bite them in the ass

31 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:41:16pm

suicide? naw. he’ll make up for it with lots of cash and statements about shariah law and mexicans stealing our jobs or something.

32 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:41:31pm

re: #27 engineer dog

you fellers realize that these old dogs stopped a huntin after not coming up with any game after 30 years, dontcha?

“Reagan proved that tax cuts lead to an economic boom, as did Bush. The problem was all the irresponsible debt, wracked up by decades of ‘liberal’ programs and initiatives, that killed the economic engine. But the Ryan Plan will get us running on all cylinders again, by not only shedding so much needless spending, but also by taking the shackles off the private sector.”

///

33 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:42:31pm

re: #31 SpaceJesus

suicide? naw. he’ll make up for it with lots of cash and statements about shariah law and mexicans stealing our jobs or something.

Did you know his father was born in Mexico?

34 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:44:30pm

re: #33 wrenchwench

uh oh, he isn’t natural born then. usurper!

35 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:44:50pm

re: #3 Summer

Darn, that should have been ‘flag’. *sighs*

I hate typos.

Shhh….don’t point it out, you think Sarah would know the difference?

36 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:47:52pm

re: #30 engineer dog

politicians need to make sure that their sound bites don’t bite them in the ass

Their camp and PACs will run one set, their opponents will run another set. Gonna be a LONG summer.

37 albusteve  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:49:19pm

re: #36 Cannadian Club Akbar

Their camp and PACs will run one set, their opponents will run another set. Gonna be a LONG summer.

considering old the old stale jokes to wade through, my head is already spinning

38 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:50:06pm

I really don’t know why Mitt thought he’d have a real chance this time. Perhaps he thought that he might as well take a crack at it, as waiting another 4 years would run the risk of wiping out whatever relevance he still had left. It’s the only way I can make any sense of a prominent party moderate running when the party is sitting just to the right of Jenjis Khan.

39 JamesWI  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:51:08pm

Waiting on his apology for how the media “misconstrued” his comments, on Rush/Hannity in 3…..2……1…….

40 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:54:47pm

”Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.”
—Ronald Reagan

It’s funny because it’s true.

41 albusteve  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:55:56pm

re: #38 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I really don’t know why Mitt thought he’d have a real chance this time. Perhaps he thought that he might as well take a crack at it, as waiting another 4 years would run the risk of wiping out whatever relevance he still had left. It’s the only way I can make any sense of a prominent party moderate running when the party is sitting just to the right of Jenjis Khan.

why does it have to make sense to you?…he’s running because he craves the power…what more is there to it?

42 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:57:02pm

re: #40 Cannadian Club Akbar

”Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.”
—Ronald Reagan

It’s funny because it’s true.

Ronnie was mistaken. As Erma Bombeck told us all, motherhood is the second oldest profession.

(Ephraim Kishon writes of a long, exhausting evening, trying to find Amsterdam’s red-light district without actually coming out and saying it. A gentleman at the corner, asked about ‘the world’s oldest profession’ gave him directions to the Department of Agriculture. Finally, at three AM, he grabbed a cop by the lapels and demanded “Where are the whores?” and the guy told him.)

43 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:57:56pm

re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist

I still think ‘cook’ is the real oldest profession.

44 albusteve  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 3:59:27pm

inventor is the oldest profession….the guy that invented the sharp stick must have made billions

45 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:01:27pm

Breitbart via Fox News: Obama Booed at Chrysler Plant

Heh.

46 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:02:46pm

BBL.

47 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:03:33pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

Breitbart via Fox News: Obama Booed at Chrysler Plant

Heh.

OH FOR GOD’S SAKES.

48 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:03:50pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

Breitbart via Fox News: Obama Booed at Chrysler Plant

Heh.

Oh, good lord.

They “booed” him because he made a joke about the Wrangler jeep. It could not possibly have been any more good-natured.

These people are insane.

49 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:04:34pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

Breitbart via Fox News: Obama Booed at Chrysler Plant

Heh.

Desperation seems to have set in.

50 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:05:08pm

re: #48 Charles

Oh, good lord.

They “booed” him because he made a joke about the Wrangler jeep. It could not possibly have been any more good-natured.

These people are insane.

I’m pretty sure it was a calculated part of the speech.

51 albusteve  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:07:10pm

the Recovery hit a bump in the road…and headwinds!
good grief

52 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:07:58pm

I’m not overly fond of Mitt, myself, being a far lefty, though I did think him more honest than his campaign lately had been. Now we know where his, “No I can’t stomach that lie” point is. Good for him.

53 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:11:55pm

Mitt is dead meat politically. Looks like he sold his integrity, his political birthright, for a mess of pottage.

54 3eff Jeff  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:13:16pm

re: #48 Charles

Oh, good lord.

They “booed” him because he made a joke about the Wrangler jeep. It could not possibly have been any more good-natured.

These people are insane.

I just watched the clip of the speech. He immediately said “A [Jeep] Wrangler can go over anything” as a follow up joke, and that got cheers. Yeah. They really hate him.

/He also secured my vote. I love my Jeep, and now I can say the President thinks my truck is invincible!

55 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:15:49pm

re: #53 Shiplord Kirel

Mitt is dead meat politically. Looks like he sold his integrity, his political birthright, for a mess of pottage.

That sounds high in carbon emissions.

56 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:16:00pm

re: #53 Shiplord Kirel

Mitt is dead meat politically. Looks like he sold his integrity, his political birthright, for a mess of pottage.

A mess of pottage is not without value. Can’t think of anything that Mitt gained by selling out the way he did.

57 albusteve  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:17:54pm

re: #56 Surabaya Stew

A mess of pottage is not without value. Can’t think of anything that Mitt gained by selling out the way he did.

selling out?…I guess I have a different meaning, the exact opposite in fact

58 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:23:08pm

re: #54 3eff Jeff

I just watched the clip of the speech. He immediately said “A [Jeep] Wrangler can go over anything” as a follow up joke, and that got cheers. Yeah. They really hate him.

/He also secured my vote. I love my Jeep, and now I can say the President thinks my truck is invincible!

Yeah. That was a crowd-pleasing joke, and the crowd played along—if he’d offended them, they just would sat through it and waited for him to get done.

When they pan over, you can see people laughing.

Whatever.

59 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:23:59pm

Hey, Kevorkian died.

60 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:25:25pm

re: #59 SanFranciscoZionist

Hey, Kevorkian died.

Naturally?

61 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:26:41pm

re: #60 Conservative Moonbat

Naturally?

Yes. He was in the hospital. A blood clot travelled from his leg to his heart. There was a DNR, so they let him go without extraordinary measures.

62 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:26:47pm

Mr Romney recognized AGW in New Hampshire. I’ll reserve judgment until I hear his position in West Virginia.

63 Charleston Chew  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:27:52pm

Sorry to be off-topic, but I just have one thing I want to get off my chest about the President being “naive”.

For the past 3 years he’s struck me as someone who practices what they call the “tit for tat” strategy in game theory, which is the most successful strategy for the prisoner’s dilemma. The rules to this strategy are:


1. An agent using this strategy will initially cooperate
2. Unless provoked, the agent will always cooperate
3. If provoked, the agent will retaliate
4. The agent is quick to forgive
5. The agent must have a good chance of competing against the opponent more than once.

I’m not claiming to know anything about game theory, and I’m terrible at strategy myself, but based solely on observation, some of the President’s decisions that make him seem weak or naive in the eyes of his critics look more to me like the first condition of “tit for tat”: An agent using this strategy will initially cooperate.

So offering to talk to Iran with no preconditions does not mean he thinks they’ll agree or that they’re trustworthy. It’s just the opening condition of the strategy. The same is true for the time he began the drive to reform healthcare by inviting GOP legislators to talk about it. Progressives thought he was naive to think that would work.

But here’s what people fail to understand (IMHO): just because the President acts “naive” doesn’t mean he is. It’s the set-up to a much larger strategy. He never actually thought the GOP or Iran would would be all nice and sweet with him, but by giving them the chance to be dicks, it gives him the moral authority to retaliate in kind.

Or to look at it in a different way: we know the President knows basketball, and in basketball it’s sometimes advantageous to draw a foul to get your opponent into foul trouble and get some free throws. Maybe extending an open hand to people who are obviously his enemies is the President’s way of “drawing a foul”, so that he has the moral authority to treat them as hostile and meet them with force subsequently.

64 William of Orange  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:30:04pm

Highly recomended! Jon Stewart with a soul song about the Wiener issue.

Whip it on the table!!

Laughed so much!!

65 Mattand  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:30:16pm

Charles wrote:

What a shame. After all that pandering to the far right by fear mongering about the “end of the free market economy” and “Obama’s apology tour,” Mitt Romney has to ruin it all by believing in science.

Just to make me feel better, can someone else name a modern, industrialized nation where accepting science fact ruins any chance you have of getting elected?

66 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:31:55pm

re: #63 Charleston Chew

All first-term presidents are naive. As they become less naive their hair grays.

67 albusteve  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:34:06pm

you can poke J Edwards with a fork….6 felonies, $945k he blew through

68 Charleston Chew  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:35:56pm

re: #66 Decatur Deb

All first-term presidents are naive. As they become less naive their hair grays.

I suppose so. In the same way all first-time anythings are naive.

69 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:36:50pm

re: #63 Charleston Chew

As President, he is even less of a solo act than he was as the candidate. He has a lot of advisers, some of whom teach game theory.

70 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:37:01pm

drudge posts story fantasizing about pork bullets for muslims

dailymail.co.uk

71 steve_davis  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:37:03pm

re: #1 Summer

Run, Sarah, Run!!!

It’s YOUR time now! It’s your Icarus moment, Sarah! (I know, she’ll have to look that up.)

Don’t flagg, don’t falter, go for the gold!

Icarus, who attacked the sun while firing his god-given guns, and ringin’ those bells.

72 Mattand  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:37:09pm

re: #63 Charleston Chew

Or to look at it in a different way: we know the President knows basketball, and in basketball it’s sometimes advantageous to draw a foul to get your opponent into foul trouble and get some free throws. Maybe extending an open hand to people who are obviously his enemies is the President’s way of “drawing a foul”, so that he has the moral authority to treat them as hostile and meet them with force subsequently.

My only problem with this theory is how far gone some of his opponents are. Some of these people (i.e., Bachmann or Gingrich) are so far right they make Reagan look like a hippie.

Not the greatest analogy in the world, but to me it’s like engaging in a practical joke war with the Joker. You’re dealing with an unpredictable opponent who will do anything to win, regardless of the collateral damage.

73 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:38:06pm

re: #68 Charleston Chew

I suppose so. In the same way all first-time anythings are naive.

Yeah—sophistication starts when they explain the launch codes.

74 engineer cat  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:38:46pm

re: #63 Charleston Chew

i could also use that same explanation to reply to the president’s critics on the left that feel that he is giving away the store to the republicans and corporatists

75 albusteve  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:39:11pm

re: #70 SpaceJesus

drudge posts story fantasizing about pork bullets for muslims

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]

I thought that was interesting…never heard of gun oil with pork fat in it

76 Summer Seale  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:39:50pm

Scene from the Republican Primary and Convention:

77 jaunte  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:40:47pm

re: #75 albusteve

Silly idea; too much carbon in pork fat.

78 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:40:51pm

re: #70 SpaceJesus

drudge posts story fantasizing about pork bullets for muslims

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]

re: #75 albusteve

I thought that was interesting…never heard of gun oil with pork fat in it

SPLC has non-fantasy about it:

splcenter.org

79 Charleston Chew  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:41:35pm

re: #73 Decatur Deb

Yeah—sophistication starts when they explain the launch codes.

I’ve had that thought during previous administrations with Presidents I didn’t like: “Oh, please let the weight of the office rest so heavily upon that jackass’s shoulders that he’ll think twice before fucking things up.”

80 albusteve  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:42:04pm

re: #77 jaunte

Silly idea; too much carbon in pork fat.

it’s oil from the fat…why would a high carbon oil be popular?

81 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:42:16pm

re: #70 SpaceJesus

drudge posts story fantasizing about pork bullets for muslims

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]

Why do I have this feeling that the SEALS don’t use crap bought from the gun-world equivalent of an Etsy seller on their weapons? Maybe I’m just naive.

I am intrigued that whenever interviewd, this guy seems a little unclear as to whether he believes that God is of the terrorist’s part or not.

This ‘effectively denies entry to Allah’s paradise to an Islamo-fascist terrorist,’ Rider adds.

So God would have sent him to paradise, which is a real place that this terrorist’s sould would have entered, except you shot him with a bullet rubbed in bacon grease.

Huh?

I get the concept of psychological warfare, although I think it’s chances of being effective are close to nil in this case, but this guy seems to be believer himself. In a very odd way. And he seems to think he’s screwing with God, as well as terrorists.

82 albusteve  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:44:10pm

re: #81 SanFranciscoZionist

the whole idea is intimidation

83 Stanley Sea  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:44:29pm

re: #70 SpaceJesus

drudge posts story fantasizing about pork bullets for muslims

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]

NJD did the same. /surprise

84 albusteve  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:45:44pm

re: #83 Stanley Sea

NJD did the same. /surprise

it was all over the net before sunrise

85 Charleston Chew  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:45:47pm

re: #72 mattand

My only problem with this theory is how far gone some of his opponents are. Some of these people (i.e., Bachmann or Gingrich) are so far right they make Reagan look like a hippie.

Not the greatest analogy in the world, but to me it’s like engaging in a practical joke war with the Joker. You’re dealing with an unpredictable opponent who will do anything to win, regardless of the collateral damage.

Versus them the President sometimes reminds me of a matador: He remains poised and still while the raging bull futilely charges the red cape.

86 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:45:54pm

re: #82 albusteve

the whole idea is to piss off muslims as an entire group and make everything look like a holy war or some kind

87 albusteve  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:46:29pm

re: #86 SpaceJesus

the whole idea is to piss off muslims as an entire group and make everything look like a holy war or some kind

yes, I know…war is hell, not heaven

88 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:48:27pm

re: #82 albusteve

the whole idea is intimidation

I understand the basic theory, although as I’ve said, I seriously doubt its effectiveness.

But he does talk as though this is what he thinks happens, not what Muslims might think happens. I don’t think this is even what Muslims think happens, unless you’re talking about some really hick kids from the back of beyond somewhere.

89 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:49:15pm

re: #88 SanFranciscoZionist

I understand the basic theory, although as I’ve said, I seriously doubt its effectiveness.

But he does talk as though this is what he thinks happens, not what Muslims might think happens. I don’t think this is even what Muslims think happens, unless you’re talking about some really hick kids from the back of beyond somewhere.

Let’s just say that I tend to take my psyops advice from people who aren’t selling bacon-flavored gun oil on the internet under a fake name.

90 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:49:30pm

re: #88 SanFranciscoZionist

I understand the basic theory, although as I’ve said, I seriously doubt its effectiveness.

But he does talk as though this is what he thinks happens, not what Muslims might think happens. I don’t think this is even what Muslims think happens, unless you’re talking about some really hick kids from the back of beyond somewhere.

The SPLC article has a debunking by Muslim clerics.

91 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:50:11pm

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

Let’s just say that I tend to take my psyops advice from people who aren’t selling bacon-flavored gun oil on the internet under a fake name.

Although I guess if all else failed, any kind of local plant life would taste OK fried up in bacon-flavored gun oil. The SEALS may consider it a foodstuff, rather than a weapon.

92 albusteve  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:51:33pm

re: #88 SanFranciscoZionist

I understand the basic theory, although as I’ve said, I seriously doubt its effectiveness.

But he does talk as though this is what he thinks happens, not what Muslims might think happens. I don’t think this is even what Muslims think happens, unless you’re talking about some really hick kids from the back of beyond somewhere.

it’s interesting to me but hardly important….
about the same place as eating a corps and drinking blood….it’s all insane

93 albusteve  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:53:01pm

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

Although I guess if all else failed, any kind of local plant life would taste OK fried up in bacon-flavored gun oil. The SEALS may consider it a foodstuff, rather than a weapon.

next they will be using hollow point Soylent Green ammo….a twofer!

94 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:54:46pm

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist


is the guy’s real name terry jones by chance?

95 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:56:41pm

re: #94 SpaceJesus

is the guy’s real name terry jones by chance?

It reminds me a lot of the scene in The Searchers where Ethan shoots out the Comanche’s eyes so that he won’t be able to find the afterlife and doomed to wander as a ghost.

Ethan at that point being a revenge-obsessed psychopath, of course.

96 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:57:52pm

Down goes Romney, down goes Romney. Seriously it’s sad when not denying climate change is political suicide but it’s just another reflection of how batshit the Republican party has grown since Obama’s inauguration.

97 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:58:48pm

re: #70 SpaceJesus

drudge posts story fantasizing about pork bullets for muslims

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]

So that’s why this ignorant idea has any traction. The ignorance of that person, both technically and theologically is utterly astounding. There ain’t no way that real professionals would use that product.

98 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:59:24pm

re: #97 wlewisiii

nor would a real professional use it as a news story

99 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 4:59:44pm

re: #95 Obdicut

It reminds me a lot of the scene in The Searchers where Ethan shoots out the Comanche’s eyes so that he won’t be able to find the afterlife and doomed to wander as a ghost.

Ethan at that point being a revenge-obsessed psychopath, of course.

Not to make any excuses for revenge-obsessed psychopaths, but it’s also the act of a man who’s got some real-world understanding of what his enemies believe.

100 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:00:44pm

re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist

Not to make any excuses for revenge-obsessed psychopaths, but it’s also the act of a man who’s got some real-world understanding of what his enemies believe.

Yes, it’s kind of ironic that Ethan both has the greatest cultural knowledge of the Comanche and the most insane hatred of them.

101 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:02:02pm

someone needs to make bullets that turn into puppies and mini bottles of tequila when fired instead

102 Charleston Chew  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:03:39pm

re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist

Not to make any excuses for revenge-obsessed psychopaths, but it’s also the act of a man who’s got some real-world understanding of what his enemies believe.

It’s an interesting type of spite to desecrate someone based on their belief system and not one’s own. And the fact that the victim will never actually know about it makes it even more bizarre and interesting.

103 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:04:01pm

re: #100 Obdicut

Yes, it’s kind of ironic that Ethan both has the greatest cultural knowledge of the Comanche and the most insane hatred of them.

Why is that ironic? It could be the most logical thing possible, without meaning any derogatory insinuation about the Comanche, as you would be prone to assume.

104 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:04:10pm

Dunno. I’ve said this before, but there was some guy who announced in some column that got linked here that he planned to celebrate Bin Laden’s demise with ‘a beer and a Hebrew National pork sausage’.

You can celebrate Bin Laden’s demise any way you like, but it will be a cold day in hell before you get a Hebrew National pork sausage. I took it the wrong way. First, fetishizing alcohol and pork is just dumb. Secondly, that little slip-up with Hebrew National seemed, call me crazy, significant. Guy is so focused on this us-and-them food fight that he doesn’t recall pork isn’t kosher?

105 albusteve  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:04:12pm

re: #100 Obdicut

Yes, it’s kind of ironic that Ethan both has the greatest cultural knowledge of the Comanche and the most insane hatred of them.

the was plenty of reason for hating the Comanche…mostly because they were without peer for cruelty and bloodlust….even the Apache were scared to death of them, and it even affected their patters of wandering and settlement

106 Charleston Chew  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:05:14pm

re: #101 SpaceJesus

someone needs to make bullets that turn into puppies and mini bottles of tequila when fired instead

Would you settle for a t-shirt canon? I remember someone from Europe remarking that in the US we even show our hospitality by shooting a gun at you.

107 Mattand  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:05:20pm

re: #85 Charleston Chew

Yeah, I see your point. I just get frustrated with Obama when does things like extend the Bush tax cuts for millionaires or tacitly support things like the ACTA treaty.

Granted, some of my complaints probably put me in the category Engineer Dog described in post 74, but I’d like to think subjects like the ones I described would be more bipartisan; i.e., balance the budget and avoid restrictive copyright law.

108 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:06:03pm

re: #100 Obdicut

Yes, it’s kind of ironic that Ethan both has the greatest cultural knowledge of the Comanche and the most insane hatred of them.

Never seen the movie, but that sounds like those could both come from the same experience.

109 engineer cat  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:06:33pm

“It’s important for us to reduce our emissions of pollutants and greenhouse gases that may be significant contributors.”

“i could just say i don’t really want to be nominated because who needs this crap but this way is more effective”

110 albusteve  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:07:29pm

re: #103 Naso Tang

Why is that ironic? It could be the most logical thing possible, without meaning any derogatory insinuation about the Comanche, as you would be prone to assume.

the famed Texas Rangers were originally formed up to take on the Comanche….and to find them and kill them, they became almost like them….an ageless factoid

111 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:07:39pm

re: #103 Naso Tang

Why is that ironic? It could be the most logical thing possible, without meaning any derogatory insinuation about the Comanche, as you would be prone to assume.

Logical things can also be ironic. And when saying what someone else would assume, you’re kind of punking yourself.

It’s ironic because there’s a common meme that to know and understand a lot about another culture is to be more forgiving and friendly towards it. It’s often said that ignorance breeds hate— but, while ignorance is a fertile breeding ground for fear and hate, intimate association can lead to plenty of it too.

Try not to play at being psychic over the interwebs. It generally winds up looking silly.

112 albusteve  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:08:38pm

re: #107 mattand

Yeah, I see your point. I just get frustrated with Obama when does things like extend the Bush tax cuts for millionaires or tacitly support things like the ACTA treaty.

Granted, some of my complaints probably put me in the category Engineer Dog described in post 74, but I’d like to think subjects like the ones I described would be more bipartisan; i.e., balance the budget and avoid restrictive copyright law.

he didn’t, Congress did

113 Stanley Sea  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:09:02pm

Oh fellow tweeps, must check out hastag #palinhistory

Ha ha! RT @lizzwinstead : Sarah Palin says soldiers were thankful for Spanx during The Battle of the Bulge #PalinHistory
34 secs ago from TweetDeck

114 Charleston Chew  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:09:16pm

re: #107 mattand

Yeah, I see your point. I just get frustrated with Obama when does things like extend the Bush tax cuts for millionaires or tacitly support things like the ACTA treaty.

I saw the tax cut extension as paying ransom to the GOP who were holding unemployed people hostage (by refusing to extending unemploy insurance). It sucks, but sometimes ya just gotta pay the ransom.

115 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:09:24pm

re: #108 SanFranciscoZionist

Never seen the movie, but that sounds like those could both come from the same experience.

Well, the hatred comes from them having just killed off most of his family. The knowledge it isn’t really explained where it comes from— whether he’d had some long association with them in the past, fought against them for a long period of time, or even been friends with them. Certainly the other settlers have been around them for just as long, but show a lot less knowledge of the Comanche. It’s a classic Ford ambiguity.

116 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:09:24pm

re: #105 albusteve

the was plenty of reason for hating the Comanche…mostly because they were without peer for cruelty and bloodlust…even the Apache were scared to death of them, and it even affected their patters of wandering and settlement

See the new book “Empire of the Summer Moon” The Comanche were an … interesting… tribe. Imagine the Mongol horde on the plains of Texas except that the Mongols were peace loving moonbats by comparison.

117 engineer cat  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:11:00pm

Comanche

remember also that these horse based tribes were recent developments that were only possible because of the reintroduction of the horse to north america

118 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:11:41pm

re: #110 albusteve

the famed Texas Rangers were originally formed up to take on the Comanche…and to find them and kill them, they became almost like them…an ageless factoid

IIRC, the word ‘Comanche’ means something like ‘the ones who fight all the time’. It’s not what they call themselves. Almost all the of the tribal names commonly known to non-Indians are what the neighbors called ‘em, or, out here in California, the name of the mission or Pueblo they ended up at. This is due to the eternal explorer’s habit of pointing and asking ‘who lives over there’? The answer is almost always “The Enemy”.

(Mapmakers do the same thing, which is why Terry Pratchett’s Discworld has a major landmark, the name of which translates to “That’s Your Finger, You Fool”.)

119 Stanley Sea  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:11:42pm

re: #108 SanFranciscoZionist

Never seen the movie, but that sounds like those could both come from the same experience.

Put it on your list. We studied it in film class. Many angles to view. And john ford

120 Charleston Chew  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:11:54pm

re: #115 Obdicut

classic Ford ambiguity.

Like Ethan Edwards’ unspoken love for his brother’s wife.

121 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:11:57pm

re: #116 wlewisiii

They also only got started around 1700.

122 albusteve  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:12:42pm

re: #115 Obdicut

Well, the hatred comes from them having just killed off most of his family. The knowledge it isn’t really explained where it comes from— whether he’d had some long association with them in the past, fought against them for a long period of time, or even been friends with them. Certainly the other settlers have been around them for just as long, but show a lot less knowledge of the Comanche. It’s a classic Ford ambiguity.

in the original pursuit, he rode with Ward Bond, a captain in the Texas Rangers, and his boys….and I guarantee everybody in west Texas knew all about the Comanche

123 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:13:34pm

re: #105 albusteve

the was plenty of reason for hating the Comanche…mostly because they were without peer for cruelty and bloodlust…even the Apache were scared to death of them, and it even affected their patters of wandering and settlement

There’s a crazy uncle in every family.

124 albusteve  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:13:53pm

re: #116 wlewisiii

See the new book “Empire of the Summer Moon” The Comanche were an … interesting… tribe. Imagine the Mongol horde on the plains of Texas except that the Mongols were peace loving moonbats by comparison.

thanks, I’ll check it out

125 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:13:57pm

re: #117 engineer dog

Comanche

remember also that these horse based tribes were recent developments that were only possible because of the reintroduction of the horse to north america

They sure took to them, though.

There’s a character in a novel I love, an old Cherokee tribal leader, who says that in his judgement the only three worthwhile things the whites brought with them were the horse, the repeating rifle, and frilly underwear for women.

126 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:14:49pm

re: #115 Obdicut

Well, the hatred comes from them having just killed off most of his family. The knowledge it isn’t really explained where it comes from— whether he’d had some long association with them in the past, fought against them for a long period of time, or even been friends with them. Certainly the other settlers have been around them for just as long, but show a lot less knowledge of the Comanche. It’s a classic Ford ambiguity.

It’s based on the attack on Fort Parker in 1836 when then 9 year old Cynthia Ann Parker was captured and who later refused to return willingly to white society. In 1860 she was forcibly repatriated by the Texas Rangers and died a couple of years later. Her then 12 year old son, Quannah Parker later lead the Comanche in their final wars with the US.

Again, see “Empire of the Summer Moon” for the best telling of this tale. It explains much about why Texas is the way it is.

127 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:15:13pm

re: #111 Obdicut

Logical things can also be ironic. And when saying what someone else would assume, you’re kind of punking yourself.

It’s ironic because there’s a common meme that to know and understand a lot about another culture is to be more forgiving and friendly towards it. It’s often said that ignorance breeds hate— but, while ignorance is a fertile breeding ground for fear and hate, intimate association can lead to plenty of it too.

Try not to play at being psychic over the interwebs. It generally winds up looking silly.

I see a bucket of ribs in your future.

128 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:15:27pm

re: #111 Obdicut

Logical things can also be ironic. And when saying what someone else would assume, you’re kind of punking yourself.

It’s ironic because there’s a common meme that to know and understand a lot about another culture is to be more forgiving and friendly towards it. It’s often said that ignorance breeds hate— but, while ignorance is a fertile breeding ground for fear and hate, intimate association can lead to plenty of it too.

Try not to play at being psychic over the interwebs. It generally winds up looking silly.

:=)

Still in good form I see. You assume what people mean all the time, which is why you are so entertaining.

There is nothing ironic about your common meme theory, unless you assume that all cultures are really nice to everyone, if one would just understand their form of niceness; but then in the rest of the sentence you explain that intimacy can lead to fear and hate without claiming that this is always wrong. Would you like to clarify what you really mean, or are you practicing being a politician?

Try not to play at being psychic over the interwebs. It generally winds up looking silly.

I don’t need to be psychic to understand you. It would be silly to assume that.

129 Mattand  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:15:32pm

re: #112 albusteve

he didn’t, Congress did

I’m going to stick with “tacitly support”:

arstechnica.com

whitehouse.gov

From the President’s remarks:

What’s more, we’re going to aggressively protect our intellectual property. Our single greatest asset is the innovation and the ingenuity and creativity of the American people. It is essential to our prosperity and it will only become more so in this century. But it’s only a competitive advantage if our companies know that someone else can’t just steal that idea and duplicate it with cheaper inputs and labor. There’s nothing wrong with other people using our technologies, we welcome it –- we just want to make sure that it’s licensed, and that American businesses are getting paid appropriately. That’s why USTR is using the full arsenal of tools available to crack down on practices that blatantly harm our businesses, and that includes negotiating proper protections and enforcing our existing agreements, and moving forward on new agreements, including the proposed Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement.

130 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:16:08pm

re: #128 Naso Tang

:=)

Still in good form I see. You assume what people mean all the time, which is why you are so entertaining.

There is nothing ironic about your common meme theory, unless you assume that all cultures are really nice to everyone, if one would just understand their form of niceness; but then in the rest of the sentence you explain that intimacy can lead to fear and hate without claiming that this is always wrong. Would you like to clarify what you really mean, or are you practicing being a politician?

I don’t need to be psychic to understand you. It would be silly to assume that.

Can we keep talking about Indians and John Wayne movies?

131 albusteve  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:16:12pm

re: #126 wlewisiii

It’s based on the attack on Fort Parker in 1836 when then 9 year old Cynthia Ann Parker was captured and who later refused to return willingly to white society. In 1860 she was forcibly repatriated by the Texas Rangers and died a couple of years later. Her then 12 year old son, Quannah Parker later lead the Comanche in their final wars with the US.

Again, see “Empire of the Summer Moon” for the best telling of this tale. It explains much about why Texas is the way it is.

you can read the story in Parkers own words….but I can’t say where right now…he was a very prolific talker and historian….an amazing man actually

132 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:16:17pm

re: #113 Stanley Sea

Oh fellow tweeps, must check out hastag #palinhistory

Ha ha! RT @lizzwinstead : Sarah Palin says soldiers were thankful for Spanx during The Battle of the Bulge #PalinHistory
34 secs ago from TweetDeck

Good joke.

133 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:16:54pm

re: #122 albusteve

in the original pursuit, he rode with Ward Bond, a captain in the Texas Rangers, and his boys…and I guarantee everybody in west Texas knew all about the Comanche

But in the movie, they weren’t portrayed as doing so. Ethan—and Ol’ Moses— were portrayed as the ones having more knowledge of the Comanche than anyone else.

134 albusteve  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:17:41pm

re: #130 SanFranciscoZionist

Can we keep talking about Indians and John Wayne movies?

what’s good for the goose, is not good for the gander?….got it

135 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:18:46pm

re: #130 SanFranciscoZionist

Can we keep talking about Indians and John Wayne movies?

If we can do so without silly fake intellectual insights, like we used to do as teenagers after coming out of a movie, I’m game.

136 albusteve  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:18:49pm

re: #133 Obdicut

But in the movie, they weren’t portrayed as doing so. Ethan—and Ol’ Moses— were portrayed as the ones having more knowledge of the Comanche than anyone else.

it was a Hollywood movie, not a history lesson

137 Stanley Sea  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:18:56pm

Hey, it’s Friday and I love to laugh.


Paul Revere went on Ed Sullivan to warn of the British Invasion. One if by land, two if she loves you (yeah yeah yeah) #palinhistory

138 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:19:08pm

re: #125 SanFranciscoZionist

They sure took to them, though.

There’s a character in a novel I love, an old Cherokee tribal leader, who says that in his judgement the only three worthwhile things the whites brought with them were the horse, the repeating rifle, and frilly underwear for women.

One of the plains tribes, Pawnee IIRC, went through one of the periodic revitalization spasms. The prophet of the movement had the faithful dispose of all the contaminating culture items they got from the Whites. They killed off their dogs on a mistaken bit of enthnology.

139 Mattand  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:20:17pm

re: #114 Charleston Chew

I saw the tax cut extension as paying ransom to the GOP who were holding unemployed people hostage (by refusing to extending unemploy insurance). It sucks, but sometimes ya just gotta pay the ransom.

Never negotiate with the terrorists!!!!

But seriously, I don’t think it was the right move. And I’m right about everything. Ever. :P

140 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:21:40pm

re: #128 Naso Tang

:=)

Still in good form I see. You assume what people mean all the time, which is why you are so entertaining.

That’s nice.

There is nothing ironic about your common meme theory, unless you assume that all cultures are really nice to everyone, if one would just understand their form of niceness; but then in the rest of the sentence you explain that intimacy can lead to fear and hate without claiming that this is always wrong.

Um, are you just saying I’m using the word ‘ironic’ wrong? I probably am. It’s a tricky word. It’s certainly not ironic from Ethan’s perspective.

Would you like to clarify what you really mean, or are you practicing being a politician?

What are you talking about?

I’m saying:

Even though a lot of people hold the view that really getting to know other cultures is the best way of stopping bigotry and hatred of them, Ethan knows the Comanches intimately and yet hates them.

So, probably a wrong usage of the word ironic. Other than that, I really can’t tell what you’re talking about.


I don’t need to be psychic to understand you. It would be silly to assume that.

You said that it was perfectly logical for Ethan to both understand and hate the Comanche. I agree. For some reason, you thought this would make me assume that you were being ‘derogatory’. And at that point you lose me.

141 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:22:42pm

re: #136 albusteve

it was a Hollywood movie, not a history lesson

Er, yeah. I’m not saying it was. I’m talking about the knowledge of the characters in the movie, not their real-world equivalents.

142 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:22:55pm
Romney, the current national frontrunner, does the best of a lineup of five Republicans, but Iowa voters prefer Obama, 49 percent to 40 percent, according to a Public Policy Polling survey released today.

Iowa voters asked if the candidates for president next year were Obama and Tim Pawlenty, a former governor of Minnesota, picked the Democrat by a 12-point margin, 49 percent to 37 percent.

After Romney and Pawlenty, retired Georgia businessman Herman Cain fares the best, but trails trails Obama by 18 points, 50-32.

Cain is followed by Alaska’s Sarah Palin, who falls 20 points behind Obama, 55 percent to 35 percent, then Georgia’s Newt Gingrich, a former U.S. speaker, who is 21 points down at 54 percent to 33 percent, the survey found.

143 albusteve  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:24:50pm

re: #141 Obdicut

Er, yeah. I’m not saying it was. I’m talking about the knowledge of the characters in the movie, not their real-world equivalents.

fer god’s sake…what knowledge?
the entire premise is that cruel and murderous indians kidnapped a child and killed her kin…what more can you expect in 110 minutes?

144 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:25:21pm

re: #143 albusteve

I’m sorry, Steve, I don’t understand what you’re asking.

145 engineer cat  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:27:45pm

re: #142 goddamnedfrank

if you factor in that unemployment is at ten gazillion percent, you can begin to get a picture of where the republican party stands in the eyes of the american public just now

146 Mark Winter  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:27:49pm

He’s trying to run as a maverick methinks

147 albusteve  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:28:52pm

re: #144 Obdicut

I’m sorry, Steve, I don’t understand what you’re asking.

your questions are convoluted…the movie doesn’t go into detail about why the settlers didn’t seem to have much knowledge of the Comanche?…so what about it?….I’m doing my best with such nonsensical questions

148 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:29:56pm

re: #140 Obdicut

That’s nice.

That’s ironic.

Um, are you just saying I’m using the word ‘ironic’ wrong? I probably am. It’s a tricky word. It’s certainly not ironic from Ethan’s perspective.

I think the ironic was from your perspective, not Ethan’s.

What are you talking about?

Your logic.

I’m saying:

Even though a lot of people hold the view that really getting to know other cultures is the best way of stopping bigotry and hatred of them, Ethan knows the Comanches intimately and yet hates them.

Perhaps he has good reason, from his perspective. No irony needed.

So, probably a wrong usage of the word ironic. Other than that, I really can’t tell what you’re talking about.

Yes I see that.


You said that it was perfectly logical for Ethan to both understand and hate the Comanche. I agree. For some reason, you thought this would make me assume that you were being ‘derogatory’. And at that point you lose me.

I was pulling your chain. Just in fun.

149 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:30:09pm

re: #147 albusteve

your questions are convoluted…the movie doesn’t go into detail about why the settlers didn’t seem to have much knowledge of the Comanche?…so what about it?…I’m doing my best with such nonsensical questions

I’m not asking you any questions.

150 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:30:24pm

re: #148 Naso Tang

Okay, then.

151 albusteve  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:31:15pm

re: #149 Obdicut

I’m not asking you any questions.

then what exactly is your point?

152 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:31:20pm

Wingnut humor, from the comments for Jim Hoft’s “Sarah Pets Lobster” post:

Lobsters are probably not shariah compliant, Imam Hussein wouldnt go near them. Unless Moochelle force him to get some lobster tamales. Then he would pet them with his tail between his legs.

Somebody get this person a gig at the Comedy Store!

153 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:31:24pm

re: #138 Decatur Deb

One of the plains tribes, Pawnee IIRC, went through one of the periodic revitalization spasms. The prophet of the movement had the faithful dispose of all the contaminating culture items they got from the Whites. They killed off their dogs on a mistaken bit of enthnology.

I recall that the Shawnee Prophet preached against keeping cats, for that reason.

154 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:31:43pm

re: #146 Mark Winter

He’s trying to run as a maverick methinks

It worked so well last time. For that other guy.

155 laZardo  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:35:18pm

And people thought the left was the one too obsessed with some rigid set of ideals.

I’d like to see the so-called conservatives on this site try to reconcile their own cognitive dissonance.

156 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:36:19pm

Wow. The comments at Hot Air about Romney’s climate change statement are totally fulfilling my predictions. They’re just reviling him for it.

And Allahpundit put up one of the most fatuous, idiotic posts I’ve ever seen from him.

157 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:37:56pm

re: #155 laZardo

And people thought the left was the one too obsessed with some rigid set of ideals.

I’d like to see the so-called conservatives on this site try to reconcile their own cognitive dissonance.

I find that rubbing cognitive dissonance with used common sense brings out the shine in an otherwise dull bit of conformation bias.

158 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:40:55pm

re: #157 b_sharp

I find that rubbing cognitive dissonance with used common sense brings out the shine in an otherwise dull bit of conformation bias.

I hope I didn’t say that wrong.

159 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:42:32pm

re: #158 b_sharp

I hope I didn’t say that wrong.

It looked OK to me, but I just watched Jon Stewart’s Big Wang Theory, so my judgment may be clouded.

160 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:48:49pm

re: #152 Charles

Wingnut humor, from the comments for Jim Hoft’s “Sarah Pets Lobster” post:

Somebody get this person a gig at the Comedy Store!

Seafood, AFAIK, is permitted in Islam.

Not in Judaism. Hardy har har.

Not that this matters, because the President is a Protestant.

161 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:50:40pm

re: #159 wrenchwench

It looked OK to me, but I just watched Jon Stewart’s Big Wang Theory, so my judgment may be clouded.

Performance art can be so difficult.

162 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:50:59pm

re: #160 SanFranciscoZionist

Seafood, AFAIK, is permitted in Islam.

I don’t believe shellfish are; for the literalists.

163 Cardio (formerly JRCMYP)  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:52:34pm

This is what I don’t understand. Any Republican candidate that embraces climate change, marriage equity, women’s rights, and other reasonable issues, PLUS, they focus on jobs and the economy, it seems like a win-win, no? They’d corner the Independent market, the RINO market and the blue dog market.

Why try to go after the Republican base? Or is it just because they first need to win the primaries?

I think I’ve answered my own question :p

164 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:54:50pm

re: #162 Naso Tang

I don’t believe shellfish are; for the literalists.

From the inevitable:

To be kosher, aquatic animals must have scales and fins. Most Muslims adhere to the interpretation that all creatures from the ocean or the sea are considered halal. Hanafi Sunnis follow essentially the same laws as Kashrut, believing that only fish with scales and fins are halal. Shi’ites also follow this, but make an exception with some crustaceans; shrimps and prawns are halal). According to Jewish oral law all fish that have scales have fins, thus making all fish with scales kosher and rendering the law essentially the same as dhabiĥa halal.

165 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:55:17pm

re: #163 JRCMYP


I think I’ve answered my own question :p

Perhaps, but you ever so kindly suggest that the candidates don’t really believe what they say.//

166 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:57:09pm

re: #160 SanFranciscoZionist

Seafood, AFAIK, is permitted in Islam.

Not in Judaism. Hardy har har.

Not that this matters, because the President is a Protestant.

Shellfish is okay in Sunni Islam, but not Shia.

167 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 5:59:58pm

re: #163 JRCMYP

This is what I don’t understand. Any Republican candidate that embraces climate change, marriage equity, women’s rights, and other reasonable issues, PLUS, they focus on jobs and the economy, it seems like a win-win, no? They’d corner the Independent market, the RINO market and the blue dog market.

Why try to go after the Republican base? Or is it just because they first need to win the primaries?

I think I’ve answered my own question :p

The Republican base has lurched so far to the right in the last 3 years that any candidate who deviates from the party line even one millimeter is going to be attacked, and lose a lot of support.

I’ll be very surprised if Romney’s able to overcome this huge obstacle. He already has a major strike against him, just by being a Mormon instead of a fundamentalist Protestant. The climate change stuff is going to kill him.

The Republican Party absolutely hates any science that doesn’t make big corporations money.

168 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 6:02:10pm
169 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 6:03:42pm

re: #164 SanFranciscoZionist

From the inevitable:

To be kosher, aquatic animals must have scales and fins. Most Muslims adhere to the interpretation that all creatures from the ocean or the sea are considered halal. Hanafi Sunnis follow essentially the same laws as Kashrut, believing that only fish with scales and fins are halal. Shi’ites also follow this, but make an exception with some crustaceans; shrimps and prawns are halal). According to Jewish oral law all fish that have scales have fins, thus making all fish with scales kosher and rendering the law essentially the same as dhabiĥa halal.

Yes, and the reason for this is that the Arabia Gulf has plenty of shrimp and it has been a major fishery that couldn’t be simply discarded at the whim of some silly literal interpretation from Allah, so Allah made an exception.

However, when I lived there in the 70’s the fish markets were great for cheap lobster because they were a by catch of the shrimpers and nobody was allowed to eat them, except the infidels. So we ate lobster regularly for the price of a tenth of the cost of shrimp.

But fishermen are not fools. The price went up eventually.

170 engineer cat  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 6:03:45pm

and here i thought that i was gonna make a million bucks with my trademark on the name “Bunny Melons”

had the melons all ready n everthing…

171 webevintage  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 6:06:36pm

re: #163 JRCMYP

Why try to go after the Republican base? Or is it just because they first need to win the primaries?

I think I’ve answered my own question :p

Yep.

172 prairiefire  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 6:07:26pm

This is a great blog about books:yetistomper.blogspot.com

173 Usually refered to as anyways  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 6:09:29pm

Speaking of climate change, we here in Australia are having a debate about the introduction of a ‘carbon tax’, seems some people are unhappy about it.

Death threats sent to top climate scientists

Several of Australia’s top climate change scientists at the Australian National University have been subjected to a campaign of death threats, forcing the university to tighten security.

Vice-chancellor Professor Ian Young says the scientists have received large numbers of emails, including death threats and abusive phone calls, threatening to attack the academics in the street if they continue their research.

He says it has been happening for the past six months and the situation has worsened significantly in recent weeks.

“Obviously climate research is an emotive issue at the present time,” he said.

“These are issues where we should have a logical public debate and it’s completely intolerable that people be subjected to this sort of abuse and to threats like this.

“I think it is totally outrageous and the vast majority of Australians would think it is totally unacceptable for anybody in society to be subjected to this sort of behaviour.”

Professor Young says the scientists have been moved to a more secure building and police are investigating.

More…

174 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 6:09:55pm

re: #172 prairiefire

This is a great blog about books:[Link: yetistomper.blogspot.com…]

Cool link! Thanks.

175 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 6:10:23pm

re: #173 ozbloke

Has anybody checked to see if they’re coming from Tim Blair’s IP address?

176 albusteve  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 6:12:22pm

re: #175 Charles

Has anybody checked to see if they’re coming from Tim Blair’s IP address?

that’ll leave a mark

177 justaminute  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 6:13:36pm

If we progressives work hard this election season and get President Obama re-elected and gain back the house, what do you suppose the Tea Party and the Republican faithful will do? Are they going to declare civil war on us? They are defiantly out there and those kind of people always make me leery.

178 Usually refered to as anyways  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 6:14:20pm

re: #175 Charles

Has anybody checked to see if they’re coming from Tim Blair’s IP address?

They do say the police are investigating.
I for one won’t be surprised when they find out it comes from our right wing, or industrial interests.

For me its simple, tax the companies that pollute now.
or
We as a people will pay for it when the corporations have gone.

Its a no brainer, fortunately the majority of Australians support charging the polluters, buts its getter harder to see that with our illustrious media.

179 SidewaysQuark  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 6:14:38pm

re: #173 ozbloke

Speaking of climate change, we here in Australia are having a debate about the introduction of a ‘carbon tax’, seems some people are unhappy about it.

Death threats sent to top climate scientists
.
.
.
.
Professor Young says the scientists have been moved to a more secure building and police are investigating.

More…

“The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.”

-from the Call of Cthulhu - H. P. Lovecraft

180 aagcobb  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 6:16:07pm

re: #156 Charles

The freepers aren’t thrilled with Romney either.

181 Usually refered to as anyways  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 6:17:23pm

re: #179 SidewaysQuark

“The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.”

-from the Call of Cthulhu - H. P. Lovecraft

Tobacco industry board of directors.
I don’t know if smoking causes cancers.

What a world we live in.

182 aagcobb  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 6:18:28pm

re: #177 justaminute

Most of them are just full of hot air. But it only takes one Timothy McVeigh.

183 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 6:19:39pm

re: #180 aagcobb

The freepers aren’t thrilled with Romney either.

The freepers are psychopathic morons.

184 albusteve  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 6:21:05pm

re: #177 justaminute

If we progressives work hard this election season and get President Obama re-elected and gain back the house, what do you suppose the Tea Party and the Republican faithful will do? Are they going to declare civil war on us? They are defiantly out there and those kind of people always make me leery.


rumor has it the entire party will leave the country in a epic pout

185 justaminute  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 6:24:50pm

This was funny on Rachel Maddow:

It was a video of Newt and he said that if any one quotes what he said on air or in speeches they are liars!

Now we cannot quote him any longer.

186 Alexzander  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 6:26:01pm

re: #177 justaminute

If we progressives work hard this election season and get President Obama re-elected and gain back the house, what do you suppose the Tea Party and the Republican faithful will do? Are they going to declare civil war on us? They are defiantly out there and those kind of people always make me leery.

Honestly, it actually makes their lives easier and gives them meaning. The republicans cannot live up to the rhetoric they’ve spewed out recently in an attempt to gain the Tea Party’s favour. Additionally, a lot of the problems right now (economic or otherwise) require long-term, perhaps even multigenerational approaches. If the republicans gained power they would be doomed to dissapoint.

If they lose however, both the republicans and the tea partiers can do what they do best: perpetually complain and catastrophize.

187 Alexzander  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 6:27:27pm

re: #185 justaminute

This was funny on Rachel Maddow:

It was a video of Newt and he said that if any one quotes what he said on air or in speeches they are liars!

Now we cannot quote him any longer.

I’m pretty sure you’re already a lier by that standard! Guess we will have to completely ignore newt.

188 Cardio (formerly JRCMYP)  Fri, Jun 3, 2011 7:20:33pm

re: #167 Charles

And I understand this. But what I don’t understand are the numbers and categories. For example, my father is a Republican. New England, early 70s, former Naval officer, Republican. In 2007/8, he used to say that McCain was “his guy.” If McCain didn’t get it he’d vote for Romney. I haven’t asked him recently, but I’m pretty sure that he’s supporting Romney now. Considering that he thinks “the Texans ruined” the Republican party, I’m guessing that’s a good bet.

But, other than my “elite” dad, who are the Republicans now? Who, really, is the base? How big are they? Where are they? And I don’t mean that generally. I’m having a hard time believing that the crazy scooter riding tea party loons are the Republican base. Because if “librul” Massachusetts could elect Scott Brown and *keep him* (because we will) what’s to say that a *reasonable Republican* couldn’t do the same in a far right area? Who will be voting in 2012 and why? Are they really interested in rolling back women’s rights? Are they THAT concerned about marriage equality? Climate change? Did they GO TO SCHOOL? Because even if Republican strategists spout shit about social and environmental issues, I don’t believe the average American really cares given the fact that they don’t have a fucking job. Do they really think jobs will be found in my uterus??

Maybe I’m asking the million dollar question. But it seems to me there is a huge hole in the Republican party that all the crazies are completely missing. And it has to do with the independents. And the people who are still registered Republican but are actually Independents.

Maybe I should bug Nate Silver. :)

189 wiffersnapper  Sat, Jun 4, 2011 8:40:00am

Was really looking forward to seeing him put the teabaggers in their place during the debates. Was my choice in ‘08 and ‘12, oh well!

190 Citizen Bob  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:13:56am

I think Big Oil and Friends will offer Mitt fabulous sums of money to retract this statement, or to otherwise backpedal into the standard “we need more research” smokescreen. And he’ll take it. No bribe would be too much to keep the GOP frontrunner on the crazy bus. (Which is to say, the “corporations can do no wrong” crazy bus, not the “bulletproof underwear” crazy bus.)


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